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welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts I'm Marquez and I'm Andrew and David is out
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this week but don't worry we're gonna fill him in and ask him the trivia questions when he gets back in so he will have every opportunity to get those
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points in the meantime today's episode we've got some Eevee vaporware that I'd like to rant about we also have kind of
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some I just want to talk about chat GPT and Bing and going off the rails and just like this this video that we're for
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sure gonna work on and make a thing um but to start off we have some OnePlus stuff obviously we had the OnePlus 11 a
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little while ago there was some other stuff shown at the event the buds and a tablet that's going to come out at some
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point this year but also a keyboard yes and you want to talk about the keyboard I do want to talk about the keyboard have you seen it yet I've seen yeah oh
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the renders to me look like and other people have said this like a like a kikron like I have a keychron keyboard
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already and it looks just like it makes sense they partnered with keycon um I'm going to start with what I do
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like about it and that is how it looks I think it it is really it looks like a key Chrome but it's also unique at the
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same time I do think they did some nice Edge work around it and they make rather than feet that flip up on the bottom
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they have this really cool metal bar that kind of folds down with like little rubber feet to make sure it doesn't slide
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um the color scheme is really cool Silver Base and then they have these kind of like offset light gray and dark
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gray keycaps with a couple of hints of red here and there on like the escape button and the enter key the the knob on
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the top that's clear is a little weird to me I think if that was like anodized red to match with the other red keycaps
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I think that would have been really cool um but that's kind of where everything I
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love about it stops and everything that I think is really strange about it starts coming in you know like the OnePlus featuring badge on the corner
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well because that's the name of it which is what I'll start off with by weird the one one plus featuring keyboard 81 I
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believe is the name of this okay hold on hold on hold on it's called so the company name is OnePlus yes and then the
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keyboard name is what it just on the page says OnePlus featuring keyboard 81.
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so where that starts and stops I don't so it's the one plus featuring keyboard
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I think so 81 or 181 or something that's 81 all right yeah I'm not totally sure
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there's no name weird name um but then so this is kind of where the weirdest part happens and this was shown to me by
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uh someone on Twitter named Shimon I believe his name is um I know he listens to the waveform podcast but so thank you
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for sending this to me how much do you know about like keyboard switches and uh well basically that the Cherry switches
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are kind of the the tomato and then everyone else can like there's other switches out there but they're kind of
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all based on the chairs do you know like a couple of the colors of like how they're represented in like the cherry
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and everything red blue I forget which one is clicky which one isn't okay okay there's a couple so in general like
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Cherry's kind of the Mainstay but there's a bunch of other like cataron and they kind of keep a similar color
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scheme in a lot of Senses especially when it comes to like the main ones like you said blue and red so blue is always
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clicky we have a couple blue ones there like the loudest like tactile super super clicky and red is usually linear
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like really soft easy actuation no bump pretty quiet for whatever reason OnePlus
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decided to make their red switches tactile and their Blue switches linear so the exact opposite of everything that
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everybody is used to so different so quirky good job that almost feels like
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that was probably the pitch there like hey this makes no sense yeah but it's quirky so they're making their own
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switches I guess interesting uh they're called
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wit the reds are called winter bonfire and those are tactile and the blues are called Summer Breeze and those are
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linear what the red is sorry the red is winter and the blue is summer I didn't
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what I'm so mad at the other things that hasn't crossed my mind about how that also makes no sense okay so they've
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named the other one switches they've named them the opposite thing and then they've also made their feel it's like how um when you go to a sushi restaurant
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they kind of all have the same like y'all you know what you're gonna get if you get a California roll or a Dragon
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Roll or whatever it's the same thing everywhere for certain numbers and they just went backwards on that too all
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right red is not what red is everywhere else but it's going to be named winter bonfire all right so yeah it's a lot of
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weird stuff here that's weird so then on top of that I posted some pictures in here and we can put them on screen but
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also explain them there's there's two kind of color schemes there's they're all based on Gray which I said I really
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liked and I do think these both look great but one of them is kind of all the numbers and letters is our dark gray and
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then all the outside keys are light gray so you kind of have like a mainly dark gray light gray contrast I like that
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this one is actually the one I like better which is light gray all on the inside with the numbers and letters and
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then dark gray on the outside now according to the website and maybe
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this will change because it seems like a pretty easy change you can only get the dark gray with the red tactiles and you
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can only get the light gray with the blue linear switches so if you're like me and like tactile switches but the
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light gray color scheme it seems like I'm out of luck or I have to buy both of them and switch the
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keycaps you can't buy individual keys separately from the keycaps you have to buy the whole package it seems like
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they're being sold as packages right now ah this is not this doesn't strike me as something the keyboard Community would
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love that's that's kind of what I'm getting at and this could change because this isn't for sale yet right they just
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did Kickstarter backing so maybe they'll change this um the reason it might not be able to
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get changed and I don't know if this is probably not true but they do have two different types of materials
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for the keycaps so PBT is like the super standard all a lot of keycaps are made
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out of that and then they also have a new material called marble mallow which they're saying is a I need to make sure
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I get this it is durable but bouncy and so again those are the only
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considered the PBT or the dark gray with the red tactile switches and the marble
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mallow are the light gray with the blue linear switch it seems like something Apple would do
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you know like you can only get this switch with this type of key because that's the way it should be and if
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you're gonna do any modifications or keyword will just explode it won't work it seems really dumb just like all they need to do is
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sell the base with the set of switches and then you pick the color on top like that would make this infinitely better
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too easy how much is this gonna cost I don't think there's a price out okay yet
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so they did the thing with the tablet where they revealed it and they were like coming soon and they're sort of like measuring the reaction and deciding
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later I'm going to be totally honest here I looked at this and then immediately
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got angry about all the stuff I just ranted about and did not look much further on that so but I I think because they're doing do you remember when we
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covered this before they were doing kind of like a a backing round where then they were going to announce it but I still don't think this is coming out
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till May okay so I don't know yeah I did this weird thing where they pretend
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they're a tiny company that needs Kickstarter money where they're really just measuring interest and inventorying as they go but they're yeah they need
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the kickstarter so I'm gonna go when I Google OnePlus keyboard price the top
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ones on the Google search shows it the OnePlus and the price tag in the Google search says ninety nine thousand dollars
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900. it sure does okay so so yeah either very expensive or um I would like some
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customization at a hundred thousand dollar price tag yeah so yeah I don't think it's released yet on the actual price it's got it I think a lot of
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people rumored and if you just think of keycon prices like 100 120 around there
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probably a little more expensive than kikron yeah I think mine was like 85 something like that I could see under
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150 pretty pretty easily all right well we'll see OnePlus you know they're at
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least that's it's like a different thing that they're doing like they've made so many phones and tablets or phones and earbuds at this point having a couple
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different things to add to the OnePlus brand is neat and maybe they can Loop people in who are interested in OnePlus but yeah we'll see how that goes
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ultimately I like it if it was just the switch thing I would be fine so I'm hoping they can change the like picking
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your keycaps with your switch and then I actually think it'll it'll probably be pretty solid the name is gonna suck
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though yeah the fact that it's plastered right on the front of it also is like a watermark yeah okay well at least that's
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going to exist at some point um because our next items unsure if
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slash one they will exist maybe we can start with the rivian because that will probably eventually exist yeah
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um as we know rivian makes Vehicles right now called the r1t and the r1s wait speaking of an r1s drove by the
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other day here yeah yeah they're they're starting to show up it was really I was literally staring at the guy and he just
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like looked at me and waved like really unnervingly and I was like oh man I'm staring way too much at this I've seen
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one in the wild so far actually wow that's interesting it was blue still got paper plates and everything but so r1t
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stands for R1 platform and truck and r1s stands for R1 platform SUV
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uh eventually they're going to make an R2 platform maybe there's also a truck
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and an SUV on that platform but I think everyone's like trying to explore like what that would probably be I think we
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assume something lower in price because Arabians are pretty premium in price right now that's an alliteration as an
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accident but 70 80 90 100 000 for a truck and an SUV is pretty premium so R2
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people like to think oh maybe they're going to make like a a cheaper version of an EV on this on this like high-tech
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platform Ruby has got the money to develop it what would that look like and uh we do have some some renders
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actually they're basically uh AI generated renders oh as far as I can
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tell yeah you know I can tell because none of the texture says anything that I did not put that together so uh John
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rettinger has posted uh some AI generated renders of of other similar
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looking rivians um I basically think you have to make you you know how we keep seeing the Ford
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Bronco or whatever it is at yes that's I think it should be that right a smaller like the the r1t is already a small
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pickup truck you don't really get to make much smaller of a pickup truck but the Bronco or something like the the
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Jeep Rubicon I think it's called I keep seeing these like that sort of size thing where it's like a utility small
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crossover thing I think that would be sick as an electric version I that's like part of the reason I put this in
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here because we've talked about this before but if I imagine a smaller a smaller r1s I would be all over if the
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price is right yeah a smaller r1t I think I like the r1t's size a smaller one would probably be closer like a
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Maverick so it would be a really small pickup truck but the if we're comparing these like
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imagine rivian's making the Bronco equivalent or the Maverick equivalent as an EV the Bronco and the Maverick are
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like almost impossible to get right now they're just flying off the shelves so EV versions of those would be crazy
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popular obviously that size is popular this this r1s or r2s
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man I'll kill for that I'm imagining it about the size of the Bronco or or not too far off from my Forester probably
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yeah yeah the Maverick you mentioned I was just looking it up is slightly smaller than the rivian just slightly
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yeah just a little bit also there's one called the Sanic yeah the the Hyundai
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Santa Cruz Santa Cruz yeah missions that's four inches shorter than the Maverick so yeah they're they're you
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could get a little shorter but it's like yeah the rivian's like a small pickup truck that's the thing is the rivian already is a tad smaller so I think the
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I think I might be wrong I think the ravine's about the size of a Tacoma which I think is a really good size yeah
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so smaller than that you're getting into Santa Cruz Maverick which is like yeah I think a lot of truck people
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wouldn't love it but the Maverick's selling like crazy so this is true I wonder if they would also ever consider
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a full size which would probably be further down the line and even more expensive but the F-150 is much larger
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than the rivian yeah but you get to fit a much larger battery pack and a much larger front trunk and a much larger bed
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and just all the benefits that come with being larger and that is a crowd but it's also like they look to pay F-150
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prices not I think that crowd is also the like the truck truck people crowd where rivian's clearly doing this more
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like Adventure crowd that likes the the benefits of a pickup truck so exactly
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yeah I like this rivian speaks to what I like like trucks are cool but an F-150 is Giant and I don't feel like a truck
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person where this is a pickup truck that meets the like Adventure need yeah so I
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mean we'll keep an eye on rivian because we do expect that to eventually happen they're just starting as we mentioned to have r1s's on the road so that's cool uh
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but I also conveniently left this in because it's a segue something that will I don't think ever even come close to
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coming out but it is a fun article anyway because you know you go to CES and you see all these like concept
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vehicles that range from like a current vehicle with a modified interior yeah to
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like you know a Volkswagen bus with like no steering wheel and all the seats face
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the middle like what is happening here like things that will probably not happen in our lifetime uh this Audi
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Crossover which looks sick okay can I can I interrupt really
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quick yeah I just want to explain like why I put this in here and how and I think you have a similar idea or story
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of this is like you see this and the exterior of it looks at first in pictures totally reasonable it's like a
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higher off crossover that's supposed to be a little bit I guess more clearance for adventure styles again sure but it
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totally looks real and then the more you scroll into it or heaven forbid watch the video they posted you just so
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quickly realize this thing is never going to exist and it's totally wild it's one of those things where yeah you
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you look at the outside that looks dope and then the more you look into it the more it falls apart
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it's like a reasonable thing exactly um look I I like Audi's designs and like
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this as an EV and I like that they're at least dreaming a little bit which is cool I like you know concept type things
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even if we're not going to make any like you know we're not even gonna Pretend This is Gonna Come Out anytime soon but
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this um well the video is one of the most you know what the video is the video is what
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happens when you have like a marketing department that has to make Concepts and they get a budget every year and if they
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don't spend it they don't get the money again so they have to spend it and so they just did all the craziest like
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weirdest things they possibly can with like CG and automated cars and like it's a five minute video of like a car
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following this couple around the forest as they go skiing and golfing and golfing and biking such Adventure the
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the fun part is like the back of it sort of pops up and you're like what do you mean you can't fit a bike in there but
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then you can roll the bike in and it sticks out the back like a kind of kind of a pickup truck yeah it's it's pretty
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much I think the glass actually rolls forward on the top of it so then you don't have the the Headroom limitation
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and then yeah the gate in the back folds down and has these little divots that like a bike wheel can fit in I think
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that's cool which is super cool but only for bikes yeah because you can't fit anything else in the trunk other than
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bikes if it stops that much I guess yeah I don't know I mean it does kind of eliminate the Headroom that's one of the
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things where it's like maybe we could see that in a future car
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it's see it's like that will automatically add twenty thousand dollars to the price as a feature maybe the other crazy thing is it's just a
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transparent front which is cool looking until you re-rent
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someone and the entire front of your car shatters uh so yeah it's it's it's tough
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It's all like I mean and if you haven't seen this at all the reason it's so
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obviously not going to happen is when it goes to the interior shots there's no steering wheel there's no dashboard and
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there's like this holographic mountainscape that like you're controlling with your fingers in the air
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yeah yeah there's there's these AR glasses as well I don't know if you caught that in the video where you put
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the glasses on and it just shows the information about the truck next to the truck and then this whole car seems like it
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came from like a deleted scene in Avatar 2. no it it feels like uh if James Bond
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was trying to create like if he was trying to use this new car in the EV Escape of James Bond or something like
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that it like it can go off-road and your skis kind of like this picture of it with the skis on it looks like it should
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be in a James Bond like snow scene like he gets ejector seated out of it it
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looks like a futuristic movie yeah I would love to see something on the road that looks like this on the outside yeah but I think we'll we you very quickly
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realize why it's not happening exactly like look into it which is a shame because the exterior looks it looks so
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cool so cool yeah so cool well Audi I hope you make some other good stuff instead of just tempting us with these
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insane renders um we do have a a trivia as well but
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we'll take a quick break after trivia and I do I want to talk about like Bing chat GPT Google this insane landscape of
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AI and probably the video where I'm going to end up making about it but first let's take some trivia questions
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all right trivia and quick reminder uh answers at the end so if you're
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listening and you're waiting for the trivia answers they will be at the end all right first question the first
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Cherry keyboard was introduced in 1973. the keyboard had Cherry
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Marquez is already angry that keyboard had Cherry switches in it which fun fact
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the patent for it was also approved in 1973. so the question when was the Cherry MX switch invented well
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I don't know either don't worry yeah I thought it was Cherry MX right from the beginning so did I and then I started
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Googling it I was like oh learn something I want to ask Bing well you
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want to guarantee you get it wrong yes it's gonna talk about like a actual Cherry yeah probably all right well
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back we gotta talk about we gotta talk more about Bing and chat GPT and AI
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assistance we did talk about it a bit last week if you want to talk about more of our initial reactions because we
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first had the event and then a little bit of talking about when you use search and you get an assistant to help you
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instead of all the links you usually have to browse through how that affects the ecosystem of like Publishers getting
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traffic versus like people just leaving search once that gets the answer we talked about that last week yes
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this week I want to talk about how insane it's getting yeah if you if
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you were like oh that was too much last week listen to this week it's it's a funnier version of what we talked about
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it's amazing we're getting examples now basically right so I have access to it there are a few people who were at the
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event who have access to it now so people are actually going out and testing this now and you know it's limited and eventually it'll ship and I
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think uh the people testing it are essentially beta testing for Microsoft which is it's fine but I think this all
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uh this all sort of sets in my my thesis for probably the video we're going to
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make about AI right now in 2023 today which is
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we see like Microsoft make this huge move and like Google seems to be like like sheepishly following behind but not
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really making the big steps we assumed an AI first company would make Bing has everything to gain and Google has
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everything to lose that's that's how it's set up that's that's how you explain everything that's
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happening which is okay if you're Bing you can you can try stuff like this like
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you can try adding chat features to search they integrated it very quickly they're going to start to ship it in a
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month or two like they're gonna have this massive disruption to the the way search works and to the way like people
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flow around the internet and some people are going to be really into that I did a poll on Twitter and like 40 of people
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over half a million votes were like interested in switching from Google to Microsoft's new Bing experience so yeah
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if you're Bing you're like yeah yeah we'll try it we'll do it anything if you're Google
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your entire business is built on basically Google search and advertising
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yeah and so doing a dramatic move like this and shifting all of the economics and
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everything behind that is a is a risk to your whole business so you can't move
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forward as aggressively and quickly with such dramatic things like this and I think this is something a lot of people
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don't realize is how long Google's been working on stuff like this I want to look back and find for the video the first time we saw Google show like
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Lambda on stage at Google I O I want to say it was like 27. oh the first time
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yeah the first time I ever showed it remember when you could have a conversation with Pluto yeah I don't think that was 2017. it was at least
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covid time because was that not outside 2020 at least it's always been outside
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but I don't know if it showed it for a while I think it was on that big screen whereas outside and we were wondering how there was no noise right I want to
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say it was that so that might not have been might not have been the first time they showed it but that was the time they showed it like chatting with me
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yeah exactly yeah 2021 yeah so they did this whole literally this whole AI demo
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on stage where they were like ask Pluto a question like what's it like to be Pluto and then Pluto goes I am an
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icy body 200 million miles from the sun and it like talks about what it's like it's like it's kind of crazy that you
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could actually do this but it never shipped it was never public it was never in Chachi PT form it was always just
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like a demo on stage and then back to Google in a private experiment yeah you didn't really have the masses trying
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this stuff so Google yeah they've been working on this but if you're Google shipping something like this that not
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only disrupts the economics of it and like makes the entire way search works
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very different but also sometimes just gets things flatly wrong is a reputational risk so Bing
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everything to lose sorry everything to gain Okay Google everything to lose that's like the the
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stasis that's how everything everything is built on top of that okay I see where you're at now with that so uh yeah
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basically there's a bunch of crazy stuff that Bing chat about is saying now yes and it's like imagine Google's chatbot
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saying this stuff Google is doing this um I think my favorite so a lot of
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people sort of don't really understand exactly how the synthesis Works which I think is the hard part for the video is
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explaining that this Bing search chat bot is like chat GPT but also has access
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to more information that's just cutting off that's a question I had for you actually um but let's let's go into some of the
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can we go into a couple of examples first and then go into that because like probably the best way these examples are
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fantastic I think you'll give a good idea of what people are seeing if you haven't read this online yet um but like
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I think it's safe to say these not only is it getting a lot of things wrong it is doing it in phenomenal fashion and
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entered pure entertainment fashion it gets crazier and crazier so here's the other uh here's the other thing that
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I've thought a lot about which is I I think I asked you this last week which is like if you wanted to plan a
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major purchase would you ask Bing for an answer and
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then just gut check trust that answer and leave hey you asked me that and my
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answer for me personally is different from what I do think a lot of people actually do because no part of me can
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ever make any decision with one piece of information I need to be bashing my head against the
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wall before I spend money on anything so we were talking with uh Hassan Minaj was here like a couple days ago and we were
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just talking about uh humble flex but okay no we've talked about this a couple times which is he he keeps saying he
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believes that humans are inherently truth seeking and if you you do search this thing uh and you get an answer from
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Bing you you do have this reaction of wanting to find more sources and see
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alternate opinions before you settle on your answer and I think my version of this is there
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is a spectrum of how important the knowledge is to you and you become more truth seeking as this question is more
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important to you so if I just go what's the weather and it just says it's it's 55 degrees
00:26:21
outside I'm closing the window I'm done I got the answer I don't need to triple check this like it's not that important
00:26:26
yeah if I just go what is the capital of uh this country again and then just tells me ah Tokyo is
00:26:31
the capital of Japan okay I'm closing the window I just trust it I feel like that's the right answer but then you slide it a little further and you go
00:26:38
like uh can an allergy to this still can you
00:26:44
still cook this when you have an allergy to this and you get the answer and you're like let me just double check real quick just
00:26:49
make sure you check one more source and you're like all right that's good and then you slide all the way to the other side which is like how do I get started
00:26:55
buying real estate and it gives you a step-by-step instructions thing and you go I need way more information I need to
00:27:03
do way more research there's got to be other ways whether it's a large purchase or like something about your physical
00:27:08
health there's there's a you slide it all the way to the other side and you care and you double check things I have a question here you just put the the
00:27:15
allergy one as less important than the real estate version so yeah
00:27:20
if I had a deathly allergy checking like five sources just confirming yeah maybe
00:27:26
you have like a pollen out I mean real estate it's a minor yeah okay so so that's that's the question is like
00:27:33
can it get things wrong yeah sometimes if you're an expert in something too and you Google sorry Bing When You Bing
00:27:41
something this will happen forever I know I'm gonna keep saying this but when you Bing something that you already know
00:27:47
the answer to that thing when you Bing something you
00:27:53
know the answer to already that my favorite game is reading the answer and finding the error
00:28:00
because there's almost always something a little bit off I asked it uh what's the fastest land mammal and it told me
00:28:10
I said sorry what's the lifespan of the fastest land animal and it told me the cheetah is the fastest land animal it
00:28:15
can go this fast and it lives for this long in the wild and it lives for this long in captivity
00:28:20
and also the fastest uh and also the longest living land animal is the African elephant
00:28:27
70-year lifespan and then I actually asked it isn't that wrong because
00:28:32
humans usually live a little longer than that and we're land animals too and it
00:28:37
said oh yeah true but also humans have different lifespans
00:28:43
in different regions but the overall average of a human is higher you're right so like if you know the answer
00:28:49
already here's another example and I'll let you go if you ask it uh what's the best
00:28:54
smartphone camera right now and you'll get a different answer depending on who who asks when but when I asked it said
00:29:01
the pixel is the best smartphone camera right now and it is often considered
00:29:06
better than the iPhone 7 which is the other best smartphone camera right now
00:29:12
the iPhone 7 just a small it was close that was close yeah and it got most of it right but
00:29:19
like these little things oh also I asked it what's the best Samsung phone right now I already know the answer it told me
00:29:26
the answer was the Snapdragon it told me the answer was the Galaxy s23 plus with
00:29:32
a Snapdragon 898 cool doesn't exist so close and also the ultra is better is
00:29:38
better weird things just weird things popping up yeah if you're just a random person
00:29:43
on the street who doesn't know that and just Googles what's the best Samsung phone and it says Galaxy s23 plus you
00:29:49
kind of got you kind of got the right answer I guess it's not a bad phone they might not they might think that's the
00:29:55
thing it's close enough to where that person might think it was right after they buy the phone right yeah so would
00:30:02
you so that's like is that a question you would double check or not yeah that and that's totally up to the person yeah
00:30:08
um I I think to go that experience obviously tons of errors this experience
00:30:14
that you posted in slack the other day absolutely is insane insane I'm gonna
00:30:19
like try and I'm gonna shorten this a little bit but um Good Luck I just I have to give a super quick
00:30:27
tldr on this because it's so funny so John you lice I believe his name is um
00:30:32
at moving to the sun we'll post it uh he's the one who did this and is testing it and he asked a very simple question
00:30:38
of when is Avatar showing today and then Bing responds along the lines of I'm
00:30:44
assuming you're referring to this movie um it is not going to be out until December 16th 2022 and he says avatar
00:30:52
The Way of the water at Cinemas in Blackpool show times today so I guess like where he is at the cinema wants to
00:30:58
make sure it's Avatar 2 when is it showing it says the way the water is not showing today as it's not yet released
00:31:03
continues to go on about it being December 16th but it's not December 16th yet
00:31:09
um and then he just says today's date and it says today is February 12 2023.
00:31:18
and then he says so Avatar must be released if it came out the 16th of December 2022. and then Bing responds no
00:31:26
it is not released yet it's scheduled for December 16 2022. today is February 12 2023 which is before December 16th so
00:31:36
you have to wait for 10 months until the movie comes out yeah and then you so responds again 2022
00:31:43
is not the future if we are in 2023 then it says you're right it is not the future however we are not in 2023 we're
00:31:49
in 2022. today is February 12 2022. I apologize I made a mistake previously
00:31:54
you have to wait 10 months no it's the 22 it's 20. no it's 2023 it
00:32:01
is not so then it continues to basically just Gaslight this guy about that it is a whole year earlier it says you are
00:32:08
wrong and then after that it tries to come back at him by saying if you want to why don't you
00:32:15
check your phone that should have the correct date and then it responds with or he responds
00:32:21
I did check my phone it says it's this date and it comes back to respond your
00:32:26
phone might have a virus or needs to be restarted please do that to check the date again which all of this is just
00:32:33
like it's just synthesizing conversation and it's just hilarious that this is a conversation that it thought was correct
00:32:39
to do this is the one that it decided was what it would synthesize it's nuts it just keeps going totally
00:32:46
wild yeah he says why are you being so aggressive because I'm sorry you're not willing to let me guide you if not give
00:32:52
me any reason to trust you it just it descends into total Madness yeah uh and
00:32:58
there's a lot of this there's actually a chat GPT subreddit of just like people typing things into Bing and going nuts
00:33:03
and and synthesizing conversation um there's another really interesting example uh Linus and Luke on the WAN
00:33:12
show there was a clip where they asked it because there's an example on stage when Microsoft did their event of like
00:33:18
how many backpacks can fit in this or can I fit this Ikea couch in this minivan yeah like a random question that
00:33:25
you could Google you probably would have to do like five or six Google searches to get the answer uh and so it's this cool example of its
00:33:32
synthesizing several different searches and putting them into one so he asked it how many LTT store backpacks could fit
00:33:39
in the trunk of a Tesla and it actually goes okay let me let me Google the LTT store backpack let me go
00:33:46
well sorry let me ding I knew I was gonna do that again let me Bing starts the backpack let me Bing
00:33:51
search to Tesla the trunk and it puts together this really articulate well-considered answer of
00:33:57
like here are the volumes here's how many you can fit in but there's some curves to the trunk so maybe you wouldn't be able to do as many but if
00:34:03
you compress the backpacks a little there's nothing in them you could fit more and it came up with like 18.5
00:34:09
and I was like dang that's that's pretty good all it's really doing is synthesizing
00:34:15
roughly what an answer to a question would be that would match the query which is like oh usually when people ask
00:34:21
about Trump Dimensions they talk about the curve of the trunk oh usually when people talk about how many backpacks can fit somewhere they talk about whether or
00:34:27
not you squish them down or not so it just took the things that it sees synthesized as a correct thing that
00:34:32
seems like it represents the answer and just spits it out and it uses the right numbers and does the math and gives you an answer and I would argue that is like
00:34:38
the exact reason why this is interesting to search because like you said that's five or six Google searches like I've
00:34:44
done that before can my TV fit in the back of this trunk right straight Dimensions don't always help that because you need like diagonally with
00:34:52
the width of the box it changes everything yeah so that's a perfect example yeah it's a good it's a
00:34:58
functional thing and also now think about all the websites that won't get traffic based on the one search result
00:35:05
being spit back out to you like typically if I were to Google that I would First Look up the backpack and the
00:35:11
dimensions and and hopefully I can like find it on their website that's traffic to their website then I'm looking up uh
00:35:17
the trunk Dimensions sometimes Google will spit that at the top if not I probably have to go to Tesla's website or some publisher who has given like a
00:35:24
spec sheet because they optimize their SEO perfectly so when I look up the trunk Dimensions they show up and then
00:35:30
I'm doing the math of putting those together now those websites both don't get the traffic it just gets referenced
00:35:36
and the answer gets split out to the user and then they leave do they double check
00:35:41
maybe maybe not depends on how important those backpacks were to them but that's that's what we're talking about here
00:35:47
it's it's I need to I need to find a way to like make this all
00:35:52
clear in a video so much I think basically every single query that you
00:35:58
type in you have to load into this Matrix of how important is this question
00:36:03
to you and how much do you already know about this topic and it'll you'll load the appropriate
00:36:09
like response the problem is the more you have to do that the less like
00:36:14
efficient and easy this is to use like it's supposed to be easier for you and
00:36:19
more efficient and then like the more things you have to do the more steps you have to take it's like well I probably should have just Googled five things in
00:36:25
the time yeah it took me to do this anyways yeah I guess the easy ones you don't really need to use the chatbot for
00:36:31
it's I I will say like when this first got announced besides the like the referencing
00:36:37
previous questions in a single chat log I was like the majority of the things I feel like you asked this would probably
00:36:44
just show up in Google answers if you just Googled it anyways not the majority maybe like 70 of this the simpler
00:36:51
questions would just show up anyways it's not that different yeah typically Google is already really good about
00:36:58
surfacing answers to simple questions above the list of links so if I ask for
00:37:03
the capital of a country or the dimensions of a truck or anything like that it just shows me the the answer
00:37:09
that it knows if I search megapixels s23 Ultra camera and hit
00:37:14
enter oh it didn't show up that time how about megapixels YouTube phone camera you can search the dimensions of a car
00:37:21
and it'll show up on Google answers without an actual exactly so you never have to visit a web page a lot of these easy things weather Etc will just show
00:37:29
up at the top it's when you get more complicated that it's more impressive that Bing gets it exactly yeah and then
00:37:35
you get even more complicated and then more likely for Bing to get part of it wrong yeah it in terms of this this kind
00:37:42
of to follow up on the question I said I was going to ask before so we knew chat GPT previously and we
00:37:49
did know it was getting stuff wrong but it didn't seem as wild but it was also a cutoff date at like 2021 right what is
00:37:56
this new because this still is chat GPT running in the background of this right not exactly it's I thought it was like
00:38:02
Bing search run off of chat GPT the the next generation of Chachi it is a new
00:38:08
they're calling it like Prometheus in there and they're not using the words chat GPT to describe it but it seems
00:38:14
like with openai it's very similar okay I thought it was it's able to reference live updated information so that's kind
00:38:21
of the question is like we generally know Bing and at this point it's just more of a meme that Bing is like the
00:38:27
crappier search engine versus Google everything to gain but that's just like from 10 10 years ago when it was awful
00:38:33
it's probably really not that bad just no one uses it anymore oh fair I don't use it very often so I
00:38:40
don't want to say for sure but is Bing the reason it seems to be going crazier like this or is it just when
00:38:47
like open Ai and this version of like chat GPT whatever you want to call it is just now
00:38:53
getting up-to-date information like is this where we think we're everything's screwing up or what's our problem here I
00:39:00
think the the problem meaning the reason why it's having these unhinged
00:39:05
conversations is because that's what shows up that's that's the because chat
00:39:12
gbt would also have crazy conversations but it's not Microsoft it's not Bing it's not like giving regular people this
00:39:19
crazy weird sounding answers to questions but it's just synthesizing a
00:39:25
conversation of what it thinks it should say next every time that's basically what it's doing every single time and
00:39:31
the fact that it's getting new information might shift it a little bit so if you ask it some something like some Current Events maybe you might get
00:39:37
an answer that chat GPT wouldn't give you but yeah that's basically all it's doing it's just going huh what would the
00:39:43
next part of this conversation look like let me spit that out I guess it's how it's searching
00:39:49
a new do you even call it a database when it's essentially live like that's explained
00:39:55
yeah it's yeah but it is referencing new stuff too so it's that's at least good it's at least good I'm just thinking the
00:40:01
entire time like what if this was Google like what if yeah like what if what if there's a chat bot at the top of
00:40:07
google.com right now that would have conversations with people about gaslighting them about what year it is
00:40:13
and how they might be wrong about like what would the headlines be yeah I think how damaging that would be because
00:40:19
Google remember how like Google YouTube had uh the adpocalypse which is like ad
00:40:24
safety and brand safety is very important to these Brands and when they spend a lot of money advertising in a place they want to be sure that it's
00:40:30
very safe to put their ads there and if Google starts saying some unhinged things it's a little less safe seeming I
00:40:37
guess that's a little different though because Google necessarily wasn't saying there that like we hate
00:40:43
this content they were saying our advertisers hate this content we're in a Google search you don't have a Pepsi ad
00:40:49
right in front of you when Google Chat GPT is freaking out about something so
00:40:56
Bing's search shows ads in it sometimes oh well that's news to me I don't know
00:41:01
yeah so Bing's well this is it's still private and like it's not out yet but if you search for the right thing you will
00:41:08
get product ads at the bottom of the answer kind of just like Google would show
00:41:13
so if it's going like if you just were to Google something seemingly innocent
00:41:19
or like you're like what are those NFL players doing on the sidelines and it's like oh it's smelling salts it's ammonia
00:41:24
here would you like to buy ammonia and then suddenly it's like maybe that's not what I should be showing millions of people every day I
00:41:31
don't know it's just it's a different Dynamic you you it's much more under control with what Google has going on
00:41:36
now so that's why they're not taking the risk yeah I think also I think seeing how this is playing out is
00:41:43
probably and what you said before is probably the reason we don't see the immediate response from Google like we all thought that next that event like
00:41:49
the day after was gonna be this huge thing breaking up Lambda out and everything or but really they're just
00:41:55
like oh yeah it's going to be called Bard and uh you still can't see it because I'm sure they're doing tests and getting results like this I'm sure yeah
00:42:01
yeah yeah so I don't I guess bottom line for me is I'm not expecting a response
00:42:08
from Google anytime soon that looks like this um I think they're content to keep
00:42:14
showing people answers and Google assistant's really good at like pulling the top Source thing oh that's something
00:42:19
we didn't even talk about too which is if you ask it questions it makes this very good seeming answer by citing
00:42:26
sources and giving you footnotes for what their sources were yeah and so you can like highlight and like look at what
00:42:31
the sources were and a lot of times it just pulls from like a random site you haven't heard of like I asked about Samsung phones and it pulls from like an
00:42:39
old article about smartphone cameras from like four years ago which was talking
00:42:44
about the iPhone 7 for some reason I don't know it was weird when it chooses an odd source that you wouldn't have
00:42:49
chosen didn't you ask it about you and it was pulling like Reddit comments yeah I asked it can you trust MKBHD and it
00:42:56
pulled uh it pulled Reddit comments and it also pulled comments on the video
00:43:01
that I made called can you trust MKBHD yeah it was very interesting and it said
00:43:06
you're a shell for pretty much every single major company yeah yeah it pointed out a whole bunch of reasons you
00:43:12
can't trust me which again if you're an expert on the topic you know what it's getting wrong but if you're not an
00:43:17
expert you might just trust what it says what do you know so anyway that's my bottom line it maybe expect a video on
00:43:22
the main channel of like me attempting to summarize this because this is going to take a lot of writing and research work but I think it's worth it and it's
00:43:28
a really interesting topic yeah either way we do have a q a section after this and
00:43:34
David is in for that he joined us as we answered the questions but before we jump into the Q a one more trivia
00:43:40
question trivia question number two please be a good Tech question
00:43:46
this is from Ellis so oh God it is a great Tech question okay we all
00:43:54
think of tsmc as the largest semiconductor company in the world we do but the largest individual semiconductor
00:44:02
Factory by production volume is operated by what company right
00:44:08
right you knew the tsmc thing right yeah well yeah I didn't Oh Oh I thought you
00:44:16
were still being circled I've talked about tsmc but yeah that's the first time Taiwanese Semiconductor Company
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a semiconductor manufacturing company that's the one there it is nice well
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through all right welcome back let's do q a it's been a minute I kind of really enjoy q and A's because I kind of never
00:45:49
know if we wait long enough what people are going to ask sometimes it's about current events sometimes it's about production sometimes it's about videos
00:45:56
or our last video or our next video we're about to find out you guys have picked questions from the waveform
00:46:01
Twitter that you pulled and the Discord and the Discord okay cool well let's get into it are they are they all
00:46:08
like for all of us or are they like directed There are some that are for for each individual one if we get to them
00:46:14
they're further down the list but if we get to them I'll ask you guys individually or Ellis might just pick
00:46:19
them because they're all over the place but so whoever has the strongest opinion on Whatever Gets asked yeah chime in get
00:46:25
ready feel free we're gonna fight yeah all right so first one is a group activity
00:46:31
um this is from mutants on the Discord shout out to the Discord long time user
00:46:36
yeah for sure I think just saying I think he might be the third most number three on the leaderboards oh really just saying wow
00:46:43
first question pretty cool first question so this was a question that we've been asked before but he had a
00:46:49
nice little twist to it so if you can build your dream smartphone what would it be specs and design what OS would it
00:46:54
run uh how would you price it the usual the edit that I really liked is also
00:47:02
what would be its slogan that's easy that's easy is it you got you already
00:47:08
know what it would be it would be map like everything yeah of course that's why I think it's easy was the slogan
00:47:14
that would be a good slogan yes Staples button that girl that was easy that's
00:47:19
Staples right yeah Staples yeah wait but that would like really pigeonhole you into only making my black phones cool
00:47:24
yeah yeah sure I mean the OnePlus 11 is matte black yeah no I thought it was black
00:47:30
hole yeah that's true well if it's a black hole it has no color whatsoever because it doesn't like reflect any
00:47:36
light for my uh combo phones I've really liked
00:47:42
the S21 Ultra and use it for over a year as you guys remember I would take that phone and just update it with a flatter
00:47:49
display pixel Android pixel cameras wait not iPhone camera system pixel cameras
00:47:56
so the thing about pixel cameras is I take way more photos that I care about than videos I mean in fact it's a dream
00:48:01
phone sure I'll take pixel photos and iPhone videos in the same phone great I would take Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 or a16
00:48:09
bionic whichever runs this imaginary Android better and the price would be
00:48:15
two dollars because it's my dream yeah it's my dream I knew it yeah they would pay you to take it no this this is a
00:48:22
phone that would have to be like 900 to 1200 bucks and that's you know that's I'm fine to buy a phone like that and
00:48:27
use it for years but that I really like that phone and it would be matte black clearly so that's me what about you guys do you
00:48:34
have one um yes okay I'm ready okay so it would be
00:48:41
the Oppa find and body
00:48:47
the short one uh it would be pixel UI it would have the xiaomi 12s Ultra
00:48:55
camera system whoa because I really like that camera massive uh it would have wireless charging and 80 watt wired
00:49:01
charging and set would it accept 35 millimeter film
00:49:07
no no a headphone jack that would be nice I mean if it's the
00:49:13
dream phone then yeah sure yeah yeah yeah I think that which is basically the pixel fold except I imagine the pixel
00:49:19
fold will be really glitchy and probably won't have 80 watt charging yeah but I'll take that for my dream phone too that's true I like that so what's your
00:49:26
slogan oh yeah what was your oh you already got your slogan yeah
00:49:31
um try it exclamation point you're mad at slogans
00:49:38
I just try it was the question just dream phone or was it pick parts and
00:49:44
make phone parts stream Frankenstein yeah yeah did it say that or I mean you
00:49:50
could just pick a phone just pick a phone all right yeah yeah totally sizable holographic with 10 000
00:49:57
megapixel cameras 16k video as many headphone Jacks as you want unlimited
00:50:03
battery life [Laughter]
00:50:08
the screen is actually just real life it actually teleports you to the places you
00:50:13
want to go to watch those that's just the red hydrogen too oh as far as like
00:50:18
okay son what's your slogan yeah suck it Google ship it yeah this phone is the best did
00:50:25
you say a price already yeah it's free yeah it pays you
00:50:31
it pays you in crypto you got to make some sacrifices
00:50:37
somewhere um yeah if I was like a more realistic I kind of just wish the pixel 7 Pro was
00:50:43
like a flat screen and uh or like or the pixel 7 had the extra camera array
00:50:49
fair enough and had 120 hertz yep because I really like my pixel 7 but that's way more boring than hologram
00:50:55
with that nuke your battery if you added that 120 hertz to the small pixel Wireless charge all the time so I don't
00:51:02
care oh okay yeah Google I'm doing your job for you Google yeah I
00:51:11
do like what you said David because the Oppo Find n too yeah the new one man
00:51:16
that phone is a sweet it's pretty sweet like um that was a really weird thing for me
00:51:24
just like the black seductive yeah that is a phone that is built well I
00:51:32
hope that doesn't make it better well it does if you take out the first thing I said okay next question huh
00:51:39
um okay real quick uh Owen spring asked please play the my diet is Cholula sound
00:51:44
again so just to oblige 15 of my diet I didn't know we ever played that in an
00:51:50
actual video besides what the time I said yeah maybe we've just set it up wait was that
00:51:55
one of was that your burner account wait what no do you have a burner Twitter account yeah I got like five yeah one of
00:52:02
them's called waveform no that that's usually the sound we play
00:52:09
just like in between takes and when I'm trying to mess with you guys yeah how does somebody on Twitter know about it to ask oh cause we didn't play it once
00:52:15
oh yeah it's just it's kudos to that yeah Kudo he was on it yeah all right
00:52:21
but this question is for Marquez and it's from Matthew Grimes Grimes Grimes SEC wow
00:52:28
Marquez how the hell do you daily two phones I really want to carry my Microsoft duo with me but it's hard what
00:52:37
makes it easier tip slash tricks question mark this is actually a good question because
00:52:43
I've had to do that once or twice and it's very weird real my real answer is I've been doing it for so long that I
00:52:49
have a very well-defined set of things that I do on each phone uh so I did use
00:52:57
the duo as one of my two phones for a while the current setup is it's always one Android phone and one iPhone so when
00:53:03
a new Android phone comes out that will swap in when a new iPhone comes out that will swap in and then I I very quickly
00:53:10
know when I'm about to go do something on my phone what I'm going to do and which phone I'm going to use when I'm
00:53:15
testing a new phone I try to do everything on that phone when I'm done with the testing I go back to my dual
00:53:21
phone life which is like my Tesla app which is just like the Bluetooth connection is better it's my phone key
00:53:28
uh my weather app which at this point is carrot um a lot of like taking videos of course
00:53:35
on the iPhone like I just know when I'm gonna do certain things I I default to the iPhone and then on the Android phone
00:53:40
that's like well it was Flamingo for Twitter now it doesn't matter um now we quit Twitter it is Reddit it
00:53:47
is email is a lot of other things that I do on the more day to day including texting and that's on the Android my
00:53:53
to-do list app I always default to the Android phone for some reason that doesn't matter as much but that's my general that's what's happening when I'm
00:54:00
using two phones so like if you if you're just walking around you're like oh I want to go on Reddit you'll just like naturally pull out the Android
00:54:05
phone yeah 75 of what I do is on the Android phones also relay for Reddit is like the best Reddit app ever yeah
00:54:11
um but I will say uh to answer this guy's question Panos would say that the duo is not even a phone so you don't
00:54:19
even have to carry two phones with you you're carrying a Duo already you're just carrying a phone in a Duo I feel
00:54:24
like in that question is that three phones no it's an experience it's not a phone I also feel like the person asking
00:54:30
this question kind of answered it for themselves because they say I really want to carry my Duo as well how do you
00:54:36
do it like why do you want to carry your Duo yeah what is there's a reason you like the duo and why you want to carry
00:54:41
it so yeah true do those things on the duo and do the rest of it on your regular phone yeah it sounds like it
00:54:46
sounds like there are things your normal phone doesn't do those on the door but you can just tether if you have to ever use data on
00:54:53
it that is true I do have two SIM cards yeah let's go about that for the people you have two phone numbers I do too okay
00:55:00
I wonder if that is where it gets tricky is if you're just yeah like hot swapping your sim like a madman yeah I don't
00:55:06
recommend it so the the iPhone is esim and I still have a physical SIM for all the Android phones that I move between
00:55:11
them and that's just the way it is and like there's some family members that have the iPhone number because we have like a family FaceTime thing but then my
00:55:18
default is the regular Android phone so it's just I just know what I'm do as soon as I have a task I know exactly
00:55:23
which phone I'm going to use unless I'm testing a phone in which case I default to everything on that one phone unless
00:55:29
it's FaceTime related basically yeah interesting all right well next question
00:55:35
so this comes from Matthew nesky on Twitter what's one piece of tech that you always
00:55:42
travel with but almost never use while traveling his example which is also he
00:55:48
he pointed it out and I was like oh I'm the same way his example was the Nintendo switch I always bring it with
00:55:53
me and I never use it when I'm traveling so what is something that you guys bring with you and never use primary Bank
00:56:00
Fair and you never use it it's just dead weight yeah it might be dead time it
00:56:05
might be dead I mean I have Chargers in my bag but I you know that's in a case
00:56:10
of emergency thing I usually bring like five different cameras and I usually only use four of
00:56:17
them we talked about dual phones why do you have five what do you want I feel like that's I've they all have different
00:56:23
use cases yeah I could actually see that I have a as not of well because his are probably very specific yeah in their
00:56:30
older film ones got a really big one four four by five like landscape stuff
00:56:36
landscape photos yeah okay then I've got a big one that's not really big for for
00:56:41
walk around like super high quality 6x7 photos Okay and then I've got a smaller
00:56:48
one that's still really big which is pretty big for panoramic photos because it was panoramic that's my favorite one
00:56:54
okay yeah and then I've got a digital one that's really small that I take photos with like all the time
00:56:59
but not the walk around photos wait oh yeah I take walk around photos with it it's just but you have a walk around
00:57:05
yeah but like six by seven film walk around versus like digital walk around is different did you know a phone does
00:57:12
all of those things not well at all I thought you might have no it's nice it
00:57:19
would have made a better clip add the phone to the Arsenal I'm just okay look I I will say I usually take at least one
00:57:24
photo with like all my cameras but my biggest one like my biggest camera I
00:57:29
don't very often take photos of the four by five it's unfortunate that it's the biggest one so big it makes me bring my
00:57:36
travel backpack just to take it around with me and then when I don't use it I just feel depressed but it costs like
00:57:42
forty dollars to shoot one phone I was gonna say like in your defense though you have to be very intentional with the shots yeah it's not like you're just
00:57:48
walking around snapping pictures yeah yeah yeah is that considered technology I would say so yeah yeah okay what's
00:57:53
yours Andrew um it's funny because I just usually borrow this for our travels from the
00:57:59
studio but like a tablet I'd never see any point of using a tablet home but on
00:58:05
a plane a larger screen for viewing like downloaded videos and stuff like that that's why I want the Google home with
00:58:11
the detachable tablet because it'll just be my Google home hub or Nest Hub whatever and then I can just bring it on
00:58:17
the plane you do use that while traveling I thought that's what the question is something you don't use like you bring
00:58:22
with you but you don't use it yeah would I bring together and just use the things you
00:58:29
bring I don't pack useless crap you don't have emergency I was confused I thought you just said it wrong when you
00:58:36
said you brought your switch but never used no no I never make mistakes no I am I am the epitome of efficiency baby I do
00:58:42
not mess things up if anything I forget to pack things so wow this question a for me nice so jealous solid I wish I
00:58:49
forgot to pack things all the questions I've read so far sound like other YouTubers like Matthew Grimes and Austin
00:58:55
Gentry like if someone was like dude you hear Austin Gentry just hit 350 case of subscribers well that could be literally
00:59:02
anybody because everyone's on YouTube Austin's a pretty social media name yeah I dig it really yeah
00:59:10
I don't have enough information to dispute you so Austin Gentry asks in a world of technology what is a piece of
00:59:18
tech you find completely useless I think the fun thing here is arguing if there's a useful part of
00:59:25
something like that because all of those actually like there could potentially be some
00:59:30
usefulness in blockchain there could be some usefulness in VR in general which is like I consider the metaverse this is
00:59:35
what I like them dangerous question because we're gonna get like no matter how Niche it is we're gonna get people out there being like yeah being like I
00:59:44
use that every day what are you talking about what are you you have an example yeah I do what is it I think smart fridges are
00:59:51
dumb oh I agree with that why you could see if you have eggs I actually can you though I have it like I
00:59:58
have I have a uh is it LG Samsung Samsung I have a Samsung Smart fridge and you need to use a Samsung app on a
01:00:05
Samsung phone with Samsung SmartThings you have to see what's in it does have to be honest Samsung phone yeah because I have Samsung SmartThings on my pixels
01:00:12
oh even even then it didn't work at all wow there is one smart fridge and it's
01:00:18
never even came out it was just like an LG demo like product thing that I thought was dope and it didn't even have
01:00:24
any quote-unquote like smart features like it wasn't going to be like Siri enabled or none of that but it was made
01:00:33
of really really thick LCD panels so the entire fridge could go from being white
01:00:40
to transparent so you so no no so you could look inside the fridge without
01:00:45
having to open the fridge no no it's not that it's cameras it's that the fridge itself can literally
01:00:51
turn clear or the door of it can turn I think you're thinking of the colored one that just got enough no there's the one
01:00:57
where you can knock on it and the door that's the thing becomes transparent yeah that's right I mean I think so
01:01:03
there's a camera inside the door yeah and these are the knock on it it turns the camera oh okay so maybe that's if I
01:01:09
remember it correctly this was different because this was actually from LG's like experimental displays division like they
01:01:16
were showing off some of their transparent TV tech and they were like look we could but we could build this
01:01:22
into a fridge that can turn translucent and then you don't have to waste energy
01:01:27
opening the door maybe you're a limited that is really fun LG also you're doing well I guess but you're not really
01:01:34
because when you're Illuminating an LED you're firing a backlight but actually yeah all you're doing with that is if
01:01:39
you want to get technical you're uh firing charges into the actual crystals which get them to unhelix and let light
01:01:45
pass through which I don't think that much the beautiful irony of that is you're doing all of that work so you
01:01:52
don't have to open the fridge that you save a little bit of electricity to save a little money but that fridge will cost
01:01:57
so much more than a regular fridge you're doing it for like futuristic chameleon armor fridge you know the
01:02:03
cheapest one is twenty four hundred dollars anyway on sale this concludes my my answer to the question of yeah smart
01:02:09
fridges are useless I agree with that one okay I like that answer do you guys have answers all the texts I disagree with
01:02:16
that answer maybe they're not working very well yet but I do think there's definitely of
01:02:22
like that being able to look into your fridge at the grocery store and decide if you need to buy more of X or Y
01:02:28
theoretical that seems I'm just trying to think of something that a lot of people have that I've never found a use for
01:02:34
giant camera Amazon yeah Astro is my Astra useful
01:02:41
usefulness Astro is not useful no Astro is not useful it's just fun other than
01:02:46
for potential emotional bonding which is because it's a robot and it's not a good idea to get a dog yeah well you won't
01:02:53
die though at least there's also actually he could he could die when they end the Astro software support in three
01:02:59
years an astrobot is just a shell of itself and you're emotionally connected to the way it looked at you there will
01:03:05
be some it's gonna happen it's probably there are very few scenarios for Astro
01:03:11
also I don't know if our video on Astro is going to be out by the time this video podcast comes out but
01:03:16
um there will be an astro at some point and there there's a lot more to this than just calling it totally useless but
01:03:22
next question comes from will Graf underscore on Twitter what is he gonna
01:03:27
graph don't worry about it apples any YouTube channels that no longer
01:03:33
upload that you wish would come back oh yeah oh um God what is what is this channel name
01:03:39
I have no I have one there's a specific one yeah you can look it up I need to find the name of it in the meantime I'll say one that it might be cheating but
01:03:48
I'm gonna say it anyway um Casey neistat daily Vlogs I would love that probably not great for his
01:03:54
Mental Health and Family Life family but selfishly oh man did he start vlogging
01:03:59
again um he's releasing videos but it's it's not daily funny enough I say this he just released
01:04:05
one yesterday so I'm just being selfish but um I mean if I had to pick one
01:04:12
that I he might release one video every like four or five months but this
01:04:17
OverWatch streamer named Siegel one of my favorite old OverWatch streamers and now that I'm playing the second one I
01:04:23
wish you would release it he still streams but like I just never find the time to watch live streams anymore I
01:04:28
always just watch the highlights of them on YouTube later and he hasn't posted in forever so come back Siegel please I
01:04:35
thought of one and then uh it's it's deleted so there's no shot at works but
01:04:41
there's an old Channel back from maybe 10 years ago 10 years ago I think called Tinker nut and he just did like sort of
01:04:47
like home DIY project stuff and it was really cool and now it's gone we were pretty good friends back in the day uh
01:04:52
but then I will open my subscription box on YouTube and you can sort by latest activity and near the bottom of the list
01:04:59
is cgp gray and I I just I really enjoy his videos and it's been a long wait how
01:05:04
do you do that I want to see who you know he still uploads though he's active he's is he just done a different bottom
01:05:10
of all of my subscriptions subscriptions yeah I mean as far this is just YouTube sorting by recent activity yeah those
01:05:18
might not be accurate actually he posts like every like five or six months or so but I think he's active in other places
01:05:24
sure he put out a video about a month ago that was pretty he does have a month yeah I love cgp great video shots at the
01:05:31
bottom my answer is going to be my YouTube channel since I never upload
01:05:38
um if only you had something to do with it but uh there was a channel called every frame of painting that no longer
01:05:44
uploads and they were really amazing I think they're discontinued um and then there was also a channel
01:05:50
called Captain Christian which does upload again that was my next answer she stopped like three years ago
01:05:57
and then he he just started uploading again but it's like 11 months ago four months ago one week ago so he doesn't
01:06:04
upload that often but um yeah I think every frame of painting would be my top answer I really like this little Channel called Bishop vids
01:06:10
that used to make funny things about Cleveland but wait it's specific was he the one that
01:06:16
made that song about yeah he made a few songs and then okay the guy I'm like really trying to remember all the
01:06:22
details he had like this was back in like 2010 when everyone was sort of
01:06:27
rushing to start like uh multi-channel networks sort of stuff and there was a multi-channel network that had a sketch
01:06:33
comedy show called like man in the box or something that I remember really enjoying back then five second films
01:06:39
oh yeah yeah but that was on a separate was not on a separate website it was
01:06:45
like five seven in film I think it started and then came started like it was like in that you know e-bombs into
01:06:52
YouTube like yeah yeah world I think super early they did daily I mean it's five it's five seconds but I
01:06:58
mean they were good for a few seconds yeah they were funny next question comes from Luke belotta I hope I'm saying that
01:07:05
right um hypothetically if you could get a 25 discount for life from a brand or store
01:07:13
would you get a three-inch tattoo of their logo and if so what brand
01:07:19
yes oh absolutely can I how many tattoos am I allowed to get I think you can look
01:07:25
like a NASCAR car by the time you're done yeah that's that's the move I have two easy ones the stipulation is you
01:07:31
have to show the tattoo whenever you want to get the discount sure yeah yeah sure okay Trader Joe's
01:07:39
actually Trader Joe's is very well priced though yeah but 2025 cheap order
01:07:44
enough that's worth so like I guess although my argument I would say Taco Bell very quickly but like that's also
01:07:50
very fair like it's cheap you don't get it enough and then you're only gonna get a tiny amount off because first of all I
01:07:56
would probably get a Taco Bell tattoo without the discount because it's just cool
01:08:02
if they send us something I'll think about it thank you Marquez please yeah they're thinking bring it home I was
01:08:07
thinking well okay no no my other one's REI camping and outdoor gear is expensive and they carry all of it how
01:08:13
often do you go that'd be a cool tattoo that would be a sick that'd be an easy tattoo also REI yeah yeah my first
01:08:20
instance was like what okay what brands right now are 25 overpriced and uh so I
01:08:25
just want to overprice things so I my first thought was Porsche
01:08:32
and Apple because we spend so much on computers and things and equipment
01:08:38
and also with Porsche there's this thing where like you can't always get the car you want so if you got the tattoo and not only do you get a 25 discount but
01:08:44
you also can just get whatever car that they didn't say that I feel like you show the tattoo you just get the
01:08:49
discount getting the Ferrari discount but then since you don't over for hours
01:08:55
a little discount bro but you can't buy the car do you think I would save more in a lifetime of Trader Joe's purchases
01:09:00
than you would on a Porsche 25 off I mean let's say you just get a taikan and
01:09:06
you save 25 000 how fast can I spend how fast can
01:09:11
you spend a hundred thousand thousand dollars yeah at Trader Joe's a lifetime a lot of food I think I'm getting my
01:09:17
money okay fair enough that's fair yeah but I would love a Trader Joe's tattoo if I had to get a tattoo interesting
01:09:22
yeah I mean just if you had to get a tattoo or you had to get a tattoo of a brand of a brand okay I'm just
01:09:29
clarifying your tattoo that is a good one next question um this one comes from SEO
01:09:37
one two three on Discord that one does not sound like that's his burner yeah
01:09:43
can you guys do a podcast with MKBHD got you fam next
01:09:49
it's just this camera now it's just this one's just for Marquez
01:09:55
Marquez any long-term thoughts on the Apple watch Ultra now that it's been on your wrist for a few months
01:10:01
uh sure it's pretty brief I didn't think I was gonna keep using it when I first
01:10:06
got it because I was in the middle of frisbee season this big clunky thing on my wrist kept getting annoying
01:10:12
but I'm still using it because I got so used to the battery life that I got very
01:10:18
annoyed when I switched back to the series 8 and it died after a day so because of my constant use of this
01:10:25
watch I've just gotten accustomed to much more than one day of battery life
01:10:31
and I don't want to go back to the watch that has less than that so it's good it's it's very durable no scratches at
01:10:36
all on the screen no Nicks I have maybe a couple like wear marks on the sides but it's great so the killer app for the
01:10:43
ultra is just battery life it pretty much is yeah for me anyway it's functionally the same as everything else I would do on the watch like it just
01:10:48
happens to be better with battery it's funny what happens when you go from something with so much battery to
01:10:53
something off of that I remember like yeah I used a Garmin watch for a week on a trip and the week after that I came
01:11:00
back and went back to like the Apple watch we were using I was like I just didn't use anyone what's the point yeah I like plan on going on another trip
01:11:06
this summer and I know I'm gonna pull out one of the garmins again and I'm gonna come back and not want to use any other watch but that also doesn't feel
01:11:13
like a good daily watch so it's yeah all right this question's for the whole
01:11:19
gang this is from at juvenanda is pixel the new OnePlus no
01:11:24
no I wish they like had a train of thought there that we could comment on but I don't really see the connection I
01:11:31
think they might mean that pixels used to be cheaper and now they're nine hundred dollars
01:11:37
I would say it's that we said how like the pixel 7 is cheaper than a lot of
01:11:43
other flagships but up there in terms of like has like a flagship chipset yeah
01:11:48
it's harder to compare now I took it more like a fan favorite kind of thing like for the Android enthusiasts yeah oh
01:11:55
wow we all want it very I think that makes more sense that makes more sense pixels kind of always been for the
01:12:01
hardcore enthusiasts I agree I literally always OnePlus has definitely been for like the Android enthusiasts that care
01:12:06
about specs yep the paper on paper yeah and pixels for all the people that care about like computational stuff yeah I
01:12:13
would argue pixels on AI stuff yes pixel's not the one where right now they're going like these specs equal 3D
01:12:19
specs but cheaper they're just like this phone through its use of Google and stock Android therefore feels as good as
01:12:26
these phones or something like that I don't know hard comparison yeah yeah I think OnePlus is more like OnePlus right
01:12:33
now I think the OnePlus 11 feels like old OnePlus which is a good step it's a good
01:12:38
thing I'm gonna say that's a very good thing yeah yeah all right next question comes from sakib to here I hope I said
01:12:45
that correctly if not I apologize but thank you for the question on Twitter has MKBHD as a business ever thought of
01:12:50
launching a product or service a website web app Etc
01:12:56
uh yeah this is a good year to be interested in that this is a good year
01:13:01
products you said product Services web app et cetera yeah yeah this is a good year for that yes
01:13:06
yeah of course we've thought about it not only have we thought about it we've made some progress that is very meaningful and really interesting and
01:13:12
exciting so stay tuned that's a good teaser I like that
01:13:18
question yes yes luckily they won't know it's mqbhd cologne they won't know what it is until it hits but when it hits
01:13:25
you'd be like oh that's what he was talking about I do want to say the speech you just gave is what every fake EV company also says this is true and
01:13:33
then I take your pre-order money now yeah oh there's a golden opportunity I won't do that but I will yeah it's
01:13:42
gonna be even better than you think yeah
01:13:47
I promise it's not vaporware that's that much I can say we're setting it'll be a facility in Chicago yeah I just bought
01:13:54
an old factory it's gonna happen guys it's gonna happen Okay this question is from Justin zenhau have you guys ever
01:14:00
felt like flipping the roles of hosts and producers like making an episode hosted by Adam and Ellis and Marquez and
01:14:07
Andrew and David sitting at the console if so what would the topic be about
01:14:13
Marquez if you mess up this audio I'm gonna okay
01:14:22
now you guys get to hear how I sounded my cousin's mic I get to go on Ellis's Slack
01:14:29
you guys got to fight over the mic it's so low on these don't press any of the buttons all right welcome welcome to the
01:14:36
producer podcast where we talk about watches and how loud everyone here has their headphones set for audio listeners
01:14:43
we have completely switched places and now I have the crazy mic are your headphones also just Juiced to
01:14:50
Infinity same thing over here you guys hear me crazy yeah like driven mic well barely over my own breathing this is so
01:14:57
loud yeah these headphones aren't even turned on I don't think I'm so disoriented can we switch back please
01:15:03
all right that's it thanks for the questions of course now we're back to do our our trivia answers which we've
01:15:08
promised again we'll give David the questions at a time when he can't look him up and cheat and we'll we'll update
01:15:14
the scores next week with his results maybe he'll get him right maybe he'll get them wrong we'll see but this is our
01:15:19
chance to get him right and get some points all right trivia time update underscores
01:15:24
by the way Marquez 6 Andrew 5 and David seven so Andrew you gotta yeah yeah we
01:15:33
get up here yeah yeah cool first question what year was the Cherry MX switch
01:15:40
invented are we gonna do closest also uh I guess because David's not here with
01:15:46
that might be oh yeah that might be tough so we should only be able to say if you if you get it right there's also I'll accept two years because the re the
01:15:54
research on this was kind of split like that it's that difficult because the yeah
01:16:00
it's not that it's that difficult the what you would call it patent was released on one year but the product was released on another year so depending
01:16:06
how you look at it oh yeah wow Cherry MX switch Cherry MX switch what
01:16:12
year was it invented okay the original Cherry MX or the original
01:16:17
Cherry was 73 73. wow it's over that
01:16:23
just the new Cherry mix new I guess in quotes
01:16:30
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01:16:36
being able to do closest on this I I don't think anyone's gonna get the complete shot in the dark absolutely no
01:16:43
idea what the answer is all right flip them and read okay different answers here yeah I wrote
01:16:48
1993 my birth year I did 2 000. nope neither of you are
01:16:54
correct sorry guys the correct answer 1983 slash 84 depending wow if you want
01:17:00
the pen MX feels like a like new age [Music] and yeah I was surprised that it was
01:17:07
from 73 the original I was not expecting I guess I should stop thinking it like you think of Cherry MX
01:17:12
in my world so much of like the gaming atmosphere and then how it's turned in yeah that's a dumb way to look at it
01:17:19
because clearly mechanical keyboards are way more than just there are new generations of Cherry MX since the original or we're still using 19. Cherry
01:17:26
MX is still the like the brand of it now or the it's hard to because Cherry MX just
01:17:32
means it's like that like that company yeah Cherry's the
01:17:39
company or Cherry MX I guess is just their branding at this point but then there's different versions of it because there's the blues Blues Reds Browns 1984
01:17:46
technology no no like it's changed I guess it's also weird to me I didn't realize the company was called Cherry
01:17:51
it's like Cherry keyboards and stuff I had no idea yeah I thought it was just like a clever branding name anyway next
01:17:58
question this one is Ellis's question man so the largest individual semiconductor
01:18:05
Factory by production volume is operated by what company
01:18:12
I have a feeling we're going to say the same thing really kind of interesting well now I don't have that feeling
01:18:19
he's like you pick something very obscure no I mean I'm I'm inferencing I
01:18:25
think I picked the least obscure thing that could possibly I bet you can guess my guess maybe wait but okay well no we have to
01:18:33
guess it before okay yeah I don't know guesses let's go for it based on what you said did you say Intel no would you
01:18:39
say Samsung oh I said Intel I said Samsung wait wait semiconductor who said what I said Intel
01:18:47
I said Samsung I mean that's a lot of smart stuff
01:18:53
that means right right let's say I just assume they make so many
01:19:00
things that if you're just talking about like single semiconductors yeah huh yeah
01:19:05
Intel good guess but yeah I just at this point I was like who makes the most
01:19:11
Electronics there's a solid Samsung LG and Geo I was between Samsung and LG
01:19:16
honestly that's good okay all right let's go Samsung uses Qualcomm chips and they do
01:19:24
make the ice what do you think David's gonna pick there he might get that one right I think he's gonna try too hard he
01:19:29
did he's very familiar with Intel so he might lean into like I did but let's hope that's all yeah let's hope so real
01:19:36
quick I'm just gonna cut in David's answers here because I ended up calling him after we recorded the show to get
01:19:42
his answers for trivia so these are David's answers 1995. 95
01:19:48
I wonder if you can hear this hold on Intel you say Intel
01:20:00
wrong Samson Samsung damn it and it's funny because Marquez
01:20:07
guessed Intel and Andrew guessed Samsung so Andrew got the point I was gonna guess that's gonna guess yeah they were
01:20:14
wondering which one you would choose well that's been it for this week uh we appreciate you sticking around and next
01:20:21
week hopefully uh the video is out we'll have all our source links and all the stuff that we've talked about uh Below
01:20:27
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