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You're what?
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>> Sad at how the A series phone.
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>> It's not like you'd ever buy it anyway.
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>> I used to have a I used to be an A
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series guy, not a main Pixel guy.
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>> I think base Pixel's got to make moves
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this year.
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>> Agreed. Part agreed.
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>> In what way?
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>> They're just tanking for a rebuild.
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>> I saw that.
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>> They want to get trapped.
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>> Yo, what is up people of the internet?
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Welcome back to another episode of the
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Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm
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Marquez.
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>> I'm Andrew.
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>> And I'm David. This week we've got the
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Pixel 9A uh 10A, sorry, almost the same
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thing. 10A, a random March Apple event
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that has been announced. We'll have some
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thoughts, a Ring doorbell update. You
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might have heard us crash out about that
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last week. And also video on Apple
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Podcasts, and we're going to wrap it up
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with a game from Adam.
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Also, make sure you subscribe. Just just
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just before we get into it at all, uh we
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saw a comment on the last episode that
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said you could still hype us. That was
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They've been saying it since we hit
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500,000. So, for a couple episodes,
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>> we're either wrong about the
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requirements for being hyped or you guys
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are like breaking YouTube.
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>> YouTube has already forgotten about
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hyping.
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>> Yeah. Let's Let's make sure we're far
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enough clear past 500K that we're
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definitely past 500K. So, make sure you
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subscribe if you haven't already. And if
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if you do see a hype button, let me
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know. Like, tweet it at us.
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>> Press it first.
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>> Yeah. Press press it and then screen
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record it and then send it to us.
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>> Click it. I want to start off this
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episode with I' I've been thinking of
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like a segment we can do to start
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>> an apology to Xfinity.
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>> That is never happening. I do have I'll
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have a very brief update on that later,
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but um
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>> I was thinking of an idea and I sent
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this all to you guys so you can all
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brainstorm it for future episodes, but
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like a really fast five minute segment
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to start every episode off with. Um so
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my conclusion was a little segment we're
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going to try called Did they even test
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this? because people really liked our
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crash outs last week and kind of they
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love when we complain about super random
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things that we don't are so minuscule
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but that frustrate us and there's so
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many
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>> that's like my entire personality.
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>> It is I this stem from me wanting to do
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a seg an episode where all of us record
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every time a piece of tech does
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something we don't want it to do during
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the day.
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>> And I think it's way more than you would
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think. Um but this can be we can slowly
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write them all down. But anyways, this
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is just going to be a very
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obvious thing that is wrong in a piece
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of tech that you have and every week
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we'll do one, whoever wants to do it.
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I'm going to start mine with
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>> I need my phone here.
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>> Um, in Slack,
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>> you know, Slack has plenty of issues by
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itself.
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>> Slackessions.
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>> Yeah. So, if you go into Slack and go to
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write a message and use the emote button
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either to react or to just put an emote,
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>> there's an emoj button.
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>> Emo
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>> emoji button.
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>> Emoji.
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>> You'll see this list of icons that are
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the categories for what all of the
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different because we're at hundreds and
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hundreds of emojis now, right? One of
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these icons is a heart.
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>> Mhm.
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>> What do you think would be under the
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heart icon category?
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>> Different types of hearts,
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>> body parts.
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>> It is actually the symbols category.
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>> Oh, what? There's not a single heart.
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>> What
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>> in the symbols category, which is
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>> why does heart denote a symbol?
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>> Well, it is a symbol, but not that kind
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of symbol.
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>> Yeah, it's when the heart is one of the
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most used reaction slash like emotes
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probably most people use.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Uh you think they'd have that right, but
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I've been tricked by this so many times
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where I go to like heart one of
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someone's posts in Slack and I get this.
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Uh, one thing we found that's kind of
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weird about it is I believe on like on
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desktop in my Slack, it's actually a
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piece symbol instead.
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>> Uh,
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>> which makes more sense.
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>> That does make more sense.
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>> So, this may possibly be just a weird
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mobile thing they didn't fix.
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>> Yeah, I'm checking on my
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>> is that on my phone as well? Yeah.
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>> And then I go to press heart and I get
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ATM biohazard sign uh yin-yang arrows
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used. Hopefully, it's in your frequently
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used.
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>> Uh, it's not always, but anyways.
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>> Wow.
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>> I use our HDR emote way too much emoji.
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Um, but yeah, so that is my um I want to
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keep it brief. That is my Did they even
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test this?
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>> The heart category with no hearts in it.
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>> Yeah, we should. Slack, if you're
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listening to this, maybe update that. I
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have a feeling there's a lot of things
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that we're going to find that the
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companies
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>> Yes.
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>> kind of just forgot about
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>> and then we reservice it and they go,
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"Oh, yeah." And then they can just they
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can just fix it.
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>> Yeah. But Salesforce owns Slack and I
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imagine all they think about is KPIs and
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not hearts.
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>> Yeah. And making a Mr. Beast commercial.
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>> Yeah. But there's got to be someone from
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Slack who watches this podcast.
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>> Like one person
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>> probably.
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>> There's got to be one person.
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>> Yeah.
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>> And they can they can fire off an email.
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They I'm sure they have an internal
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Slack at Slack, right? They can send a
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send a quick Slack message.
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>> They actually use Teams.
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>> Teams. Oh no. Well, they can find a way
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to to to hopefully maybe update that.
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We'll see if we can get it done.
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>> Okay. That'd be good. Next week we'll
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find another thing.
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>> My did testice is um is metal watch
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bands. Does anyone They always pull your
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hair.
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>> This feels like a Seinfeld joke. What's
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the deal with metal watch bands?
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>> I mean, they've been, you know, classic
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for many years, but they always just
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pull your arm hairs. Maybe I'm just too
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hairy. I don't know. Same same here.
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>> It wants you to remember you've got a
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sick watch on all the time.
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>> That's true. Yeah, that's true.
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>> Yeah.
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>> We We solved that one.
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>> We solved the
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>> Yeah. everyone uh put it in your notes
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app.
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>> Let's try and do one every week. I think
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it'll be fun and it's our due diligence.
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Let me know.
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>> Um I'll also very quickly do a quick
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internet update. I did have my internet
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back by the time I got home on
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Wednesday.
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>> Don't clap. Please do not clap. They do
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not deserve a clap.
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>> Comcast.
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>> One funny thing that happened was I get
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a call on Friday and it's a person
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saying, "Hey, this is blah blah blah
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with Xfinity. Did you know no one's home
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right now?" And I said, "What?
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>> I did know no one's home right now. Why
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are you at my house?"
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>> My home.
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>> And he's like, "Oh, there were some
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other wires hanging low and I got a a
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thing to come and fix them." I was like,
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"Okay, no one told me that." And he
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said, "Well, they're technically
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telephone wires." And then that guy,
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super nice, the actual technician, he
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was like, "They're not even our wires,
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but I think I have something that can
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probably move them up a little bit so
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nothing actually accidentally touches
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it." Mhm.
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>> He winds up doing the whole thing and
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giving me his personal cell phone number
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because he says, "Don't even try calling
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the 1-800 number. It accomplishes
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nothing."
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>> That is uh so shout out to that guy.
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>> Exactly. The the technicians who come
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are basically always actually
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knowledgeable and helpful.
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>> Yeah. They're poorly managed.
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>> I just can't you can't get in touch with
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them.
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>> Yeah. So
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>> I do feel like I had a very similar
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experience for some reason like getting
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fiber installed. I don't remember what
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exactly happened, but I remember the
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actual in-person technical person being
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way more helpful than anyone at the
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company trying to get them there.
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>> One more funny story about this really
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fast is um I got an email
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>> last week, let me find it real fast,
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from Comcast business point of contact
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who tried to contact us to see if we
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needed any business needs from Comcast,
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which was possibly the worst timing ever
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after everything happened last week. So,
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my little piece of uh
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help or revenge, I guess, is I just got
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to send him a nice email that said,
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"There's zero chance after the horrible
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experience I had last week." And that
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we're not interested at working with
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Xfinity at all. That was my little soul
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solace of that whole experience.
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>> Hopefully, some human read that instead
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of just AI filtering it over.
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>> Well, he even says in his email, "Save
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my contact information. No need to wait
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on our 1-800 lines for an available
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remote agent call center. Do
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>> you think this was in response to your
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rant?
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>> No, because it's just a salesperson
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probably spamming people.
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>> So, you think it was just like
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coincidence that they did this?
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>> Just a really unfortunate coincidence.
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>> Damn. Well,
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internet is a monopoly.
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>> Other things that are not monopolies,
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but could be surveillance states. Uh, we
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have a little update to our Ring story
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from last week. So, if you didn't listen
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to last week's episode, effectively one
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of the Super Bowl commercials that came
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out was that Ring, the doorbell company
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owned by Amazon, had this new feature
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that they were going to turn on um where
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basically all the rings would act as
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surveillance state cameras and if you
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lost your dog, it would identify your
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dog and totally not people and
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>> only your dog.
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>> We record this episode, we record this
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uh podcast on Wednesdays. On Thursday,
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uh Ring came out and basically was like,
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"Never mind. we're not. So, they spent
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all that money on the Super Bowl ad and
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then they were like, actually, we're not
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going to be working with Flock to do
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this anymore. They cited a bunch of
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reasons that uh probably were not the
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reasons. And really, the real reason was
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just that everyone was like canceling
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and unsubscribing and getting rid of
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Ring and etc., etc., etc. Um, but what's
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kind of ironic about this is like the
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the CEO of Ring, the founder of Ring,
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uh, they
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>> Mr. Ring,
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>> Mr. Ring himself, he has been very
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outspoken in this fact that like he
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actually wants there to be a
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surveillance state specifically because
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he is like laser focused on getting
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crime down to zero. And he's like,
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"Yeah, I mean I I eventually want all of
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these cameras to just continuously be
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recording everybody everywhere and going
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to police and we want to work with
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police,
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>> everyone everywhere all at once."
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>> There are there are two schools of
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thought here.
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>> That's why he started the company. It is
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not untrue that crime goes down when
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people think that they are going to get
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caught obviously right so that that is
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these two schools of thought that people
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have and he's been very outspoken on the
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fact that he thinks that this is the way
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forward um there's actually a good
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decoder episode with Nei about this that
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uh he went on and did with him and he's
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pretty straightforward on what he wants
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to do with this but obviously all of
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that backlash uh made it so that they
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are deciding that they are not going to
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do this anymore so
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>> I think they said like it was taking
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longer than they expected and definitely
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had nothing to do with
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>> the immense backlash that came after
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them spending probably almost $10
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million on a commercial.
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>> I'm just looking back. I mean 10 million
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is almost nothing to them. But it is
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funny that like they called it search
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party.
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>> Yeah.
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>> There's just I'm looking back like how
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did this make it all the way to the end?
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you know,
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>> well, I have somebody had the idea and
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was like, "Here's a great idea." And
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everyone in in marketing was like,
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"Yeah, yeah." And then not one single
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person went,
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>> "Hey, you know what this looks like?"
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And and it just went all the way to the
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end.
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>> I I was at a bakery this weekend and
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someone in our town lost their dog. And
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I saw a couple go look at the thing and
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say, "Oh, did you see that commercial in
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the Super Bowl? Like it can find lost
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dogs? That's pretty cool." And I was
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like,
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>> that's how they were hoping it would go.
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Yeah, that's exactly what they were
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picturing.
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>> So, there are people who do think that.
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It's just also really funny when you
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think about the numbers they put in the
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commercial of being like
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>> a million people lose their pets and we
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find one per
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>> we find like 0.01% of dogs that get
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lost.
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>> Yeah.
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>> And also everything compassionate
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>> uh valid use case for something that
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could obviously be used for way worse
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things.
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>> And they're like, "Oh, it doesn't even
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have access. It doesn't even have the
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ability to recognize faces. That's our
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separate feature called familiar faces.
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But they don't touch each other at all.
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Like, okay,
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>> but we can recognize dogs like really
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well.
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>> But only dogs.
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>> We trained our model on a thousand dogs.
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We know
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>> they need to hire the uh marketing
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people at Apple who just make you
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terrified of not purchasing their
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products. That would work a little bit.
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>> Yeah, that like
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Yeah, the bear in the house video. Yeah.
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>> Yeah. Um Okay. Well, another thing that
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happened where we thought it would be
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better, but it actually got worse is
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that the Google has announced that the
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Pixel 9 series is now going to have the
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ability to use AirDrop as well. So, if
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you remember a few weeks ago, Google
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added compatibility for the Pixel 10
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series to have AirDrop. They said, "We
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are excited to bring this to more
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Android phones soon." We were hoping
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that more Android phones would be more
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Android phones, not more Google phones.
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Um, and so they're being added to it's
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being added to all Pixel 9 devices
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except for the 9A.
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>> And uh, when reached for comment about
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this, Google just kind of gave their PR
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answer of we're excited to bring this to
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more Android phones in the future. I was
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really hoping they were just going to be
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using the Pixel 10 series as a test bed
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to make sure it worked on Android at all
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and had enough stability, etc., etc. But
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now they're just putting pushing it to
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the 9. They still haven't done the
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eight. There's all these other phones. I
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don't really know what needs to be done
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here. But
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>> can I do you think they didn't do 9A
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because when 10A drops 10A will have it
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and they need to wait a couple months
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for 9A to get it. So then 9A doesn't
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have it cuz nothing We'll talk about it
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in a minute, but not much has changed in
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the 10A.
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>> That is a Google thing to do. But doing
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that off the back of finally having an
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Apple feature is just very strange. They
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usually do that in Google Photos. They
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don't usually do that. Yeah, that's
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common with other features.
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>> I'm a Blip stand. Sorry. Before we get
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off airdrop blip rules.
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>> Blip kind of hit the studio this year
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hard and like we've been an AirDrop
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Studio as you probably have been
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familiar. Like a lot of us are using
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Final Cut Pro and and Max in the studio.
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So, we like pass files back and forth
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and it's decently useful for I'd say
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anything up to about one gig. But as
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soon as I see like 890 megabytes and I
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need to send somebody a file, I'm like,
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do I really want to airdrop this? like
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it's going to not work some of the
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times. DUI also speaking of did you test
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this? Every time I go to open to share
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an airdrop, it starts populating and it
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goes 3 6 12 15 a ton of devices and I go
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to click the one to airdrop to and then
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it slides over and it slides again to
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the next row. Every single time I miss
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and I send it to the wrong person and
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it's really annoying. So, please test
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that Apple. Anyway, uh Airdrop usually
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doesn't work after a large enough file
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size or it's extremely slow. And Rufus,
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I think, is the one who brought Blip to
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the studio. He's like, "Have you guys
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tried Blip?" And we're like, "What's
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that?" And he's like, "Yeah, it's just
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an app that does the same exact thing,
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but it actually works
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>> and crossplatform
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>> and it's crossplatform and it's local.
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It's faster."
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>> We got to give Rub a little more credit
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cuz it was the kind of thing where he
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was like, "Let me blip this to you." We
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were like, "Dude, you want me to
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download a thing just so you No, I'm not
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getting another."
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>> Yeah. It's like AirDrop's right here,
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bro. It's right here. It works.
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>> And then everyone sends their first blip
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and it's like,
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>> "Whoa, what?"
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>> Do you know what? For the super niche
00:14:32
content tech content creators out there
00:14:34
who might be reviewing Android phones
00:14:36
and editing on a Mac, being able to send
00:14:39
the files through Blip instead is
00:14:41
>> life-changing.
00:14:42
>> It's huge. I'm going to send my four
00:14:44
people.
00:14:45
>> Yeah, all four of us who are reviewing
00:14:46
Android phones,
00:14:47
>> bro. Yeah, it's really good.
00:14:49
>> Anyway, Google uh decided to drop the
00:14:51
Pixel 10a this week. They were teasing
00:14:53
it for a little bit. They were sort of
00:14:55
teasing it because it looks the same, so
00:14:58
they just showed us what it looked like
00:14:59
already. Now, we have all the official
00:15:00
specs and all the official numbers and
00:15:02
everything, and it's
00:15:06
it's the same as the Pixel 9a,
00:15:10
almost literally the same. So, I went
00:15:12
into this thinking it's the same phone.
00:15:13
I I have the spec sheet in front of me
00:15:15
here. Display, same size, same
00:15:17
resolution. I'm going back and forth.
00:15:19
Okay. Display, batteries, same size.
00:15:21
Okay. Okay. Cameras, same exact cameras.
00:15:23
All right. Uh chip, same exact Pixel,
00:15:27
the Tensor 4 chip. So, I'm like, what do
00:15:29
they actually change in the Pixel 10A?
00:15:31
It's the same price. Uh, in case you're
00:15:34
curious, I have a full list here of
00:15:36
everything that's different about Pixel
00:15:38
10 A
00:15:39
>> versus Pixel 9a. Ready?
00:15:41
>> I'm ready.
00:15:42
>> The camera bump, which was pretty flush
00:15:45
before.
00:15:46
>> It was like very flush.
00:15:47
>> It was actually It's like a millimeter
00:15:50
protruding. Now, it's actually zero
00:15:52
flush.
00:15:53
>> So, it took an angle grinder to it.
00:15:54
>> Yeah.
00:15:55
Um, the uniform bezels, I can't tell
00:15:59
with my eyes, but I'm told they're
00:16:01
slightly thinner.
00:16:02
>> 10% as they say. It doesn't look it.
00:16:05
>> Uh, wired charging goes from 23 watts to
00:16:07
30. Wireless charging goes from 7 and a
00:16:09
half 7 and 12 watts to 10.
00:16:10
>> Okay.
00:16:11
>> And the display is 10% brighter.
00:16:13
>> Did they tell you the wired charging
00:16:14
thing?
00:16:15
>> Their spec sheet they sent
00:16:16
>> is so vague and annoying.
00:16:18
>> 10% brighter.
00:16:19
>> Yeah. On the spec sheet they sent us, it
00:16:21
just says uh
00:16:23
>> it's like imperceivable brightness
00:16:25
change.
00:16:25
>> It was like 2700 peak brightness to
00:16:28
3,000.
00:16:28
>> Yeah, but brightness is logarithmic
00:16:30
already. So like
00:16:31
>> yeah, it's not going to blow your mind,
00:16:32
but
00:16:33
it's uh it's a little brighter. And
00:16:36
yeah, otherwise it's the same phone,
00:16:38
same Tensor G4, same 8 gigs of RAM.
00:16:40
>> Does it have
00:16:41
>> Nope.
00:16:43
>> Probably not.
00:16:44
>> Nope. Ah,
00:16:45
>> my one, this is the thing about
00:16:48
releasing a new phone that's basically
00:16:50
the same as last year. A lot of people
00:16:52
sometimes like to complain like, oh, you
00:16:53
didn't change anything. But I think
00:16:55
without any substance for what they
00:16:57
should have changed, that's kind of an
00:16:58
empty complaint because change for the
00:17:00
sake of change isn't doesn't really help
00:17:01
anyone. Like you want to keep it
00:17:02
consistent. You've got a brand, you
00:17:04
know, you have to keep something
00:17:05
consistent.
00:17:06
So, what should they have changed is the
00:17:08
real question. And the number one thing
00:17:11
that comes to mind is you did this whole
00:17:13
pixel snap thing with the Pixel 10s. The
00:17:15
G2 magnets in the back. This would have
00:17:17
been perfect. You could have just one
00:17:18
up. You could have made an ad about how
00:17:19
the base iPhone 17 or 16e or whatever
00:17:22
doesn't have it. This would have been
00:17:24
fun. You could have had it across the
00:17:25
whole Pixel 10.
00:17:26
>> And they didn't add magnets.
00:17:27
>> That's crazy.
00:17:28
>> They didn't uh move to the Tensor G5.
00:17:31
They didn't add uh they didn't go 256
00:17:34
gigs of base storage. They didn't do any
00:17:35
of the things they could have done that
00:17:37
I think would have been nice at this
00:17:39
$4.99 price.
00:17:40
>> Taking notes from Samsung.
00:17:42
>> Yeah. So, at first I was like, why even
00:17:45
release a new phone at all because it's,
00:17:48
you know, you don't have to every year.
00:17:50
But then I was like, you know what?
00:17:52
You're Google. You kind of just do. You
00:17:53
just you just go through the motions.
00:17:55
And I felt that vibe the entire time I
00:17:56
was like shooting the phone. We went to
00:17:57
the city and like had a little briefing
00:18:00
and they brought us to this back room. I
00:18:01
always feel like they usually like shut
00:18:03
down that area of the building to keep
00:18:05
it quiet so that we can shoot. There was
00:18:07
just Google employees walking by. Oh,
00:18:09
they're doing the thing. Like nobody
00:18:10
seemed to care. We shot the phone.
00:18:13
>> Uh it it was very much an afterthought
00:18:15
type of phone. So it's updated.
00:18:17
>> I wanted you so bad to bring a 9A and
00:18:20
just leave it on one of the platforms
00:18:22
and then see if anyone accidentally
00:18:24
recorded the wrong phone and made it
00:18:25
into a different review. It's perfect
00:18:27
because the colors of the phones,
00:18:29
there's four colors, are almost exactly
00:18:31
the same, just a little bit more
00:18:34
saturated. And I saw the spec sheet had
00:18:36
different color names and I was like,
00:18:37
"Oh, maybe there's different colors cuz
00:18:38
there's like
00:18:40
>> fog and obsidian. And then there's like
00:18:42
a sort of a reddish and a purplish one.
00:18:44
I forgot the names.
00:18:45
>> Lavender and berry, right?"
00:18:47
>> Uh, I think that's the new ones. Yeah.
00:18:49
Had some name like peony and porcelain
00:18:52
or something else. And so they like
00:18:53
renamed the white one porcelain to fog,
00:18:56
but it's still the same color.
00:18:59
>> And then they have this.
00:19:01
>> If you're going to change everything by
00:19:02
like such an imperceivable amount, why
00:19:04
even change it?
00:19:06
>> Exactly.
00:19:06
>> Like you could you should just call it
00:19:08
the Pixel A 2026. Pixel A 2027. At this
00:19:13
point,
00:19:13
>> at least the companies used to be a
00:19:15
little bit more honest about it. They'd
00:19:16
go, "Oh, this is the iPhone 6S." Cuz
00:19:18
it's it's a small update from the iPhone
00:19:21
6. In fact, it's the same design, just a
00:19:23
little bit of a spec bump, like a a
00:19:24
couple small things.
00:19:25
>> This isn't even a spec bump.
00:19:27
>> Yeah. And at least with that, you'd be
00:19:28
like, "All right, I'll probably skip the
00:19:29
S and just wait for the next one. This
00:19:31
one, they it's just a 10A and it's it's
00:19:34
just the same as the last phone." And I
00:19:37
ended up thinking about that for the
00:19:38
video. And the conclusion I came to is
00:19:40
like the Pixel is very much a
00:19:43
softwaredefined thing.
00:19:44
>> Yeah. Like the reason you get a Pixel,
00:19:46
especially the A series Pixel, like that
00:19:48
buyer isn't going, I want the latest
00:19:49
chip or I want the, you know, the
00:19:52
highest resolution display or whatever,
00:19:54
it's just it's just a phone that works
00:19:56
that has the Pixel features and it's
00:19:59
still that. And so that's the reason why
00:20:01
it's probably fine for most of those
00:20:03
people. But yeah, as someone who reviews
00:20:05
phones year-over-year, this was like,
00:20:08
huh, I don't think I've ever seen that
00:20:09
before. We've talked about them having a
00:20:11
lot of sort of like uh friendliness with
00:20:14
Samsung. It seems like they're taking a
00:20:16
lot of lessons from Samsung over here.
00:20:17
>> Yeah. This is like we've been joking
00:20:19
about how we've on we're on the what S23
00:20:22
>> S23 plus+. Um, but this is like another
00:20:26
level of a whole lot of nothing, which
00:20:28
we might see get beat in a week or in a
00:20:31
couple weeks with,
00:20:33
>> we'll talk about it later, but if iPhone
00:20:35
17e is the exact same thing, it's going
00:20:38
to be even funnier this year.
00:20:40
>> Even
00:20:40
>> when the uh the base iPhone got so good
00:20:43
last year.
00:20:44
>> Yeah, there might be a lot of L's.
00:20:45
>> I'm just more with Marquez here. Why
00:20:47
even release this 10A? I think they
00:20:49
could have just been like, you know, the
00:20:51
9a is still pretty good for people that
00:20:53
like want a cheap entry-level Pixel.
00:20:55
>> Yeah.
00:20:56
>> And everyone would would have been like,
00:20:57
"Okay, yeah, yeah, good point."
00:20:58
>> And the iPhone SE used to just be every
00:21:00
couple years and that was fine. We get
00:21:02
an iPhone SE like every 3 years and it
00:21:04
would be like budget phone.
00:21:05
>> Apple knew how to do it. They just
00:21:06
called it SE so that there wasn't the
00:21:08
confusion of like every year. Yeah.
00:21:10
Because now they kind of had to release
00:21:11
the 10A because they had to have a 10
00:21:14
version of the A phone. But if they just
00:21:16
call it like the Pixel E,
00:21:17
>> I think that's literally exactly what
00:21:20
they're doing is somebody is going to
00:21:22
some new shopper is going to start
00:21:24
looking for a budget phone and they will
00:21:25
see that there is a 9A and no 10A and
00:21:27
they'll go oh I guess there is no 10A
00:21:29
and they'll go oh it's old news and move
00:21:32
on. But if there's a 10A they'll
00:21:34
consider it.
00:21:34
>> I mean Apple learned that also they
00:21:36
stopped doing SE and now they did 16E
00:21:39
and possibly 17E right that seems worse.
00:21:42
Seems like they wor still call it SE
00:21:45
because then they can sell the same
00:21:46
phone for a long time.
00:21:47
>> They can, but I think people want to see
00:21:50
>> this number, new number. I want new
00:21:53
number even if it's cheaper.
00:21:54
>> Yeah.
00:21:55
>> Which is unfortunate.
00:21:57
Probably the marketing is the numbers
00:21:59
are probably proving it.
00:22:01
>> Bring back the Pixel 4a. Better phone
00:22:03
than this. Better phone than this. Had a
00:22:05
headphone jack. Cheaper.
00:22:06
>> Wait, can I just confirm really fast the
00:22:09
you so you said they told you 30 watt
00:22:11
wireless charging? is all they say in
00:22:12
here is fast charging up to 50% in 30
00:22:15
minutes using 45 watt USBC charger or
00:22:19
higher sold separately.
00:22:20
>> Yeah, they will sell you separately a 45
00:22:22
watt charger and if you use that one
00:22:23
then it can peak at 30 watts instead of
00:22:25
23 like last year.
00:22:27
>> This is
00:22:29
putting this in the the briefing
00:22:31
document that they send you for as a
00:22:33
reviewer's guide is
00:22:33
>> and isn't that 45 watt charger like
00:22:35
pretty expensive too?
00:22:37
>> It's a thing that I'm sure a lot of
00:22:38
Pixel A buyers won't buy. Yeah,
00:22:40
>> they'll just use whatever one they have.
00:22:41
>> Yeah,
00:22:41
>> I would not be surprised if a bunch of
00:22:44
>> day of reviews today get this part wrong
00:22:47
because of how poorly this is worded in
00:22:49
the reviewers guide.
00:22:50
>> Yeah, it's a lot of deciphering.
00:22:52
>> I mean, at a certain point, these just
00:22:54
become Gemini boxes. That's what Google
00:22:56
wants. That's their endgame. They just
00:22:57
want them to be magical Gemini boxes
00:23:00
that do the thing.
00:23:01
>> They're not going to do this with the
00:23:02
11, are they?
00:23:03
>> Uh, make it look the same. You mean
00:23:05
>> they can't have it be the same spec
00:23:06
sheet as the 10, right? They're just
00:23:08
going to add new tensor accelerators and
00:23:10
that's it.
00:23:11
>> Yeah, that's actually kind of
00:23:14
>> God, that's already doing. Yeah, it's
00:23:16
like that's all that matters now.
00:23:17
>> The the raw horsepower, GPU power, all
00:23:19
that of Tensor has never been the reason
00:23:21
you buy it.
00:23:22
>> Yeah.
00:23:22
>> And so it's just going to be more tensor
00:23:24
cores and more AI chops and kind of the
00:23:27
same specs anyway.
00:23:28
>> With the acceleration of AI that we've
00:23:29
seen in the last year, I imagine that IO
00:23:32
is going to be pretty crazy this year.
00:23:34
Yep. uh which we did get a a date for
00:23:36
officially as of yesterday
00:23:38
>> summer.
00:23:38
>> Jumping ahead a little bit, but that is
00:23:40
happening in May. It's May 19th and
00:23:42
20th.
00:23:43
>> Um so we'll see if that stacks up. But I
00:23:45
imagine there is so much competition in
00:23:47
the AI race. It's not even about the
00:23:49
phones anymore. It's just about Gemini
00:23:51
and what they can do with Gemini. So
00:23:53
yeah, they already have the Pixel
00:23:54
experience pretty laid out.
00:23:55
>> That's what makes a Pixel a Pixel, I
00:23:57
guess.
00:23:57
>> That's what makes it.
00:23:58
>> Yeah. And 128 gig base storage.
00:24:00
>> Yeah. still. So,
00:24:03
I don't know how we even talked about
00:24:04
that for that long, but
00:24:07
honestly,
00:24:07
>> we had we had our segways going really
00:24:09
nicely. We just kind of moved through a
00:24:11
bunch of topics effortlessly because
00:24:12
we're so good at that.
00:24:13
>> Speaking of a lot of topics that you may
00:24:16
or may not get correctly or incorrectly,
00:24:19
>> I see what you did there.
00:24:20
>> Maybe trivia time.
00:24:27
By the way, audience, I promise it will
00:24:29
get more interesting. We have more
00:24:31
stuff. We have
00:24:32
>> I promise nothing of the sort.
00:24:33
>> I thought that was super interesting.
00:24:35
>> We have a lot more interesting. That's
00:24:36
interesting.
00:24:37
>> Actually, if you don't know what if you
00:24:39
didn't look at our thumbnail for the
00:24:41
main channel and also look at the Pixel
00:24:42
9a thumbnail.
00:24:44
>> You should go look because I think it's
00:24:46
one of the
00:24:46
>> it was the most interesting thing about
00:24:48
our video.
00:24:49
>> And it's not a photoshop, by the way.
00:24:51
Some people are thinking we photoshopped
00:24:52
the Pixel 9a thumbnail to change the
00:24:55
color of the phone. No, we reshot.
00:24:58
I wore the same jacket.
00:25:00
>> We actually got a new shot.
00:25:02
>> That was more effort than Google put
00:25:03
into the
00:25:05
>> Tim did change your shirt color cuz you
00:25:07
wore the exact same one but the phone
00:25:10
colors were different. So Tim swapped
00:25:11
your shirt.
00:25:12
>> All right, Adam, hit him hit us with
00:25:13
some easier trivia questions cuz I don't
00:25:15
think any of us have gotten a point in
00:25:16
like
00:25:17
>> Okay, here's the easiest month trivia
00:25:19
question.
00:25:20
>> Okay,
00:25:20
>> let's go.
00:25:21
>> What is Marquez's social security
00:25:22
number?
00:25:22
>> I know it.
00:25:23
>> 606. I knew it. No. So, we spoke about
00:25:26
the 10A just now, but the first Pixel A
00:25:30
phone was the 3A.
00:25:31
>> Mhm.
00:25:32
>> Made by which giant manufacturer?
00:25:35
>> I know this.
00:25:35
>> Oh, yeah.
00:25:36
>> Who made it?
00:25:36
>> Yeah. Back when they were like
00:25:38
>> 50% chance
00:25:39
>> rotating through a couple manufacturers
00:25:41
to make pixels.
00:25:42
>> Yep.
00:25:43
>> Well, and Nexuses. The Nexuses mostly.
00:25:46
Nexy. All the pixels are kind of made by
00:25:49
the same team.
00:25:50
>> Yeah.
00:25:50
>> No, the first couple pixels were the 4A
00:25:52
was big. Wasn't it? They were all made
00:25:55
by the same team. It was just they use
00:25:57
like different screens.
00:25:58
>> Team Pixel.
00:25:59
>> The Pixel 2.
00:26:01
>> Yeah, they were made by Team Pixel.
00:26:03
>> Um, which was the one where the Pixel 2
00:26:05
had the screen issue because it was like
00:26:06
some had the screens from Samsung and
00:26:08
some had them from LG,
00:26:10
>> right?
00:26:10
>> What was the one where like didn't HTC
00:26:12
make the small version and LG made the
00:26:14
XL?
00:26:16
>> That was the Nexus.
00:26:19
I mean, the five was made by the 5X was
00:26:22
made by LG and the 6P was made by
00:26:24
Huawei. Yeah.
00:26:26
>> Yeah. Anyway, I miss those days. We're
00:26:28
talking about how you don't need to
00:26:30
update things because, you know, it's
00:26:31
the same. I missed the Nexus days, but
00:26:33
we had no freaking
00:26:34
>> completely different.
00:26:36
>> What's it going to be? I don't know.
00:26:38
It's going to be a totally random weird.
00:26:40
>> We tried We tried a Shamu, then we tried
00:26:42
a visor, then we went back to Shamu,
00:26:44
>> then we did this. Oh, and then you like
00:26:46
the five. We're going to make it again,
00:26:47
but instead of that, we're also going to
00:26:48
have the 6P.
00:26:49
>> What do you guys think of orange?
00:26:51
>> I mean,
00:26:52
>> Pixel 2 HTC 2XL LG.
00:26:55
>> That's
00:26:56
>> made by
00:26:56
>> Mhm.
00:26:57
>> Wow. Wow. Well, you just kind of looked
00:26:59
up
00:27:00
>> Pixel 2. Well, that's Pixel 2.
00:27:02
>> Yeah.
00:27:02
>> You were talking about the Pixel One.
00:27:04
>> No, Pixel 3a.
00:27:06
>> Oh, the first a phone.
00:27:09
>> Okay.
00:27:10
>> I'm definitely not giving either of you
00:27:11
hints because you probably know this
00:27:13
exactly. I'm the one who needs a hint. I
00:27:15
think I know it, but we'll see.
00:27:16
>> They think they know it, they say.
00:27:18
>> All right,
00:27:18
>> we shall see.
00:27:19
>> Well, answers will be at the end like
00:27:20
usual. We'll be right back.
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right, welcome back. Uh it is February
00:28:49
which means we are getting now a little
00:28:51
bit more into the meat of the year. We
00:28:52
have a Samsung event coming up and we
00:28:54
also have just announced an Apple event
00:28:57
coming up. Uh I don't know what's going
00:29:00
to be announced at any of these events.
00:29:02
It could be anything but we can
00:29:05
speculate
00:29:07
plus nothing.
00:29:08
>> I think we know what's getting announced
00:29:09
at the Samsung event.
00:29:11
>> Yeah. Do we
00:29:12
>> the S2?
00:29:13
>> It could be anything. Andrew,
00:29:14
>> what if it's a folding?
00:29:16
>> They haven't said.
00:29:17
>> Why are your hands in your pockets?
00:29:19
>> Why are they Why are they spending so
00:29:21
much money on this on this launch event
00:29:22
in San Francisco when it's literally
00:29:25
somebody somebody put on Twitter the the
00:29:28
launch event from last year and they
00:29:30
said leaked S26 launch event. All the
00:29:33
comments were like, "Wow, so cool that
00:29:35
you got this or like literally nobody
00:29:37
even could realize that it was that it
00:29:39
was last year's." Samsung's official
00:29:40
invitation says, "Unpacked February
00:29:43
2026. The next AI phone makes your life
00:29:46
easier." That could be anything.
00:29:51
>> Maybe what if they This whole event is
00:29:53
just them reannouncing Bixby.
00:29:56
>> I I can't wait for that day.
00:29:58
>> Bixby comes back.
00:29:59
>> The Galaxy Home will finally come out.
00:30:01
>> It's going to be S26. S26. That was
00:30:03
peak.
00:30:03
>> The Galaxy phone finally launches.
00:30:05
>> Galaxy speaker. Anyway, but the Apple
00:30:07
event we actually don't know also, but
00:30:08
we uh kind of probably also do know.
00:30:10
Yeah, we can we can guess. What do we
00:30:12
hope gets in house at these types of
00:30:13
things?
00:30:14
>> Well, I wanted to see new Mac minis to
00:30:17
run Claude. Just kidding.
00:30:20
>> Um, no. No,
00:30:21
>> I'm only kind of kidding. Um, but there
00:30:24
are all these rumors of the new Apple A
00:30:28
series MacBook that we've been talking
00:30:29
about for many, many, many months now.
00:30:32
Yeah. And this seems to actually be the
00:30:34
thing that people are saying might come
00:30:35
out because the invitation that went out
00:30:38
for people with there's this March 4th
00:30:40
event that's happening that is
00:30:41
apparently just going to be sort of an
00:30:43
experience event and people are saying
00:30:45
that there's not going to be like a
00:30:46
keynote. They're going to release that
00:30:47
stuff separately.
00:30:48
>> But the colors in that launch event
00:30:50
poster are the colors that people are
00:30:53
saying that these MacBooks might be
00:30:54
colored as. It's like a light green, a
00:30:56
light yellow, sort of a sort of a really
00:30:58
cheap $700 model. Well, can I just say
00:31:01
every time we do the like speculation
00:31:03
about what the event invite means, I
00:31:05
always wish that someone had done like a
00:31:08
how close were we about previous event
00:31:12
invites and what it actually ended up
00:31:14
being.
00:31:15
>> Someone's probably done that.
00:31:16
>> I think someone's done they've like
00:31:17
analyzed every invite and then
00:31:19
>> and like what the hint was and what it
00:31:20
turned out to be.
00:31:21
>> Okay, so this is the possible new colors
00:31:24
of this colorful new
00:31:25
>> cheaper entry-level MacBook powered by
00:31:27
an A series chip.
00:31:28
>> Yeah,
00:31:29
>> I'm very interested in this. I think
00:31:31
right now we're in a spot where like
00:31:32
Apple silicon's gotten super super good.
00:31:34
And whenever we talk about MacBook Air,
00:31:36
which is the current cheapest laptop
00:31:38
they make,
00:31:39
>> it is such an easy to recommend $1,000
00:31:42
$1,100 laptop. It's almost like the
00:31:44
default way of getting into Apple
00:31:45
laptops.
00:31:47
>> But there are lots of laptops that are
00:31:48
way cheaper than that. And the Mac Mini
00:31:50
came out and was maybe the best deal in
00:31:52
tech at like $600 and being just enough
00:31:55
computer for anyone who just needs a
00:31:57
computer. But what if you need a laptop
00:31:59
and you have $600? This is a spot that
00:32:01
Apple can probably ship a ton of
00:32:04
laptops.
00:32:04
>> Oh my god.
00:32:05
>> And if the A series chip is good enough,
00:32:08
like they don't need to ship an M1 in
00:32:10
this thing, they can ship an A series
00:32:12
chip in super high volume, it could be a
00:32:15
winner. I mean, they really want to
00:32:16
compete with uh the Chromebooks on the
00:32:18
education front because Google really
00:32:20
locks people the hell in. I mean, I
00:32:22
think the fact that they came out with
00:32:23
the education bundle so recently, the
00:32:27
creative apps for education and all that
00:32:29
stuff is not a coincidence because the
00:32:31
biggest the biggest thing that really
00:32:33
moves people through Google's ecosystem
00:32:35
is using Chromebooks while they're in
00:32:37
elementary school and they just have
00:32:38
Google accounts. They just continue on
00:32:40
with it. So, Apple's like, "We really
00:32:41
want a piece of that pie."
00:32:42
>> And considering if they're selling this
00:32:44
to consumers at $700, I would imagine
00:32:47
that they would give them to uh schools
00:32:49
for even cheaper.
00:32:50
>> Yeah. So they could really they could
00:32:52
really ship a lot of these. But I think
00:32:54
most people don't need the power of M5,
00:32:57
M4, you know, in their laptops.
00:32:59
>> Yeah.
00:32:59
>> So honestly, like an A18, it's basically
00:33:03
just an iPad, but with a interface that
00:33:06
makes sense. I think that that could be
00:33:08
a winner. Yeah. It's funny because
00:33:09
there's this whole other slate of
00:33:11
possible things we're thinking Apple
00:33:13
might announce. Another one is a
00:33:15
touchscreen MacBook Pro. Maybe at like
00:33:17
some point late this year or next year,
00:33:19
something like that. Yeah.
00:33:20
>> And so we're kind of keeping an eye on
00:33:22
how Mac OS is evolving and what the app
00:33:24
situation looks like and how that's
00:33:26
happening. Uh and obviously they're so
00:33:29
similar in architecture anyway, like
00:33:30
you're running lots of of those apps. It
00:33:32
it makes total sense that an A series
00:33:34
chip would work in a cheap MacBook.
00:33:37
>> Yeah.
00:33:37
>> But it now makes even more sense that we
00:33:39
could see a touchscreen version of Mac
00:33:41
OS.
00:33:41
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:33:43
>> It is interesting because the what
00:33:44
happens to the MacBook Air? I mean, they
00:33:47
kind of created this really, really big
00:33:49
pipeline of computers at that point
00:33:51
where the MacBook Air was supposed to be
00:33:53
the cheapest, most affordable model and
00:33:56
it's 13 in. So, is the only
00:33:59
differentiating factor going to be the
00:34:00
fact that it has a not as strong
00:34:02
processor. The main thing
00:34:04
>> Air will go back to meaning middle. I
00:34:07
think it would be middle, but like I'd
00:34:08
assume the if we're if we're guessing
00:34:12
that this A18 version of the MacBook is
00:34:14
going to be something almost like a
00:34:16
Chromebook that we give to schools, I'd
00:34:17
assume the chassis that it's in is going
00:34:19
to be pretty
00:34:20
>> a little cheaper.
00:34:21
>> Yeah. Yeah. A cheaper version of it,
00:34:23
which means thicker, which means
00:34:24
probably more ports and stuff like that
00:34:25
for kids when So then like are we
00:34:29
assuming this is the like
00:34:31
>> the cheaper in all aspects version of
00:34:33
the MacBook? Then the Air is kind of
00:34:35
like the in between. I understand I
00:34:37
don't need a ton of processing power or
00:34:39
ports. Thinner, I'm traveling all the
00:34:41
time. Gets everything done I need to be
00:34:43
the cheaper I don't say grown-up
00:34:45
version, but and then then we have the
00:34:47
pros that are pro models.
00:34:49
>> Yeah, I I kind of see it as an expansion
00:34:51
of the lineup downward. And I don't know
00:34:54
what to expect ports wise from this. I
00:34:57
think naturally if it's going to
00:34:59
education, you have to have a couple of
00:35:00
ports, but I could see Apple not doing
00:35:03
that, which is interesting.
00:35:04
>> Everything's on USB ports.
00:35:05
>> Yeah, maybe not more ports.
00:35:06
>> Do you even do you But all that
00:35:08
education stuff is on the internet.
00:35:10
>> That's a good point.
00:35:10
>> Do you really need any ports besides a
00:35:12
charging port?
00:35:13
>> I just I always picture an HDMI port,
00:35:15
but I haven't been in a classroom in so
00:35:17
long that I'm not even sure you need
00:35:18
that anymore.
00:35:19
>> The kids don't need it.
00:35:20
>> They definitely don't need an HDMI.
00:35:21
>> The kids don't need it. HDMI is like
00:35:22
only for the pros.
00:35:23
>> I guess if you want to think about it of
00:35:25
like the iPad lineup of like they had an
00:35:28
iPad mini, an iPad Pro, and then they
00:35:30
had the like iPad for education one that
00:35:33
still had the old button and everything
00:35:34
for super super cheap. Like
00:35:37
>> this MacBook would be that I guess.
00:35:39
>> Exactly. Yeah. So it puts iPad it puts
00:35:41
Air in the middle again. So in the iPad
00:35:43
lineup it's iPad, then there's Air and
00:35:45
there's iPad Pro
00:35:47
>> and then Air is in the middle. So the
00:35:48
MacBooks it would be like the MacBook.
00:35:50
This is like the 12-inch MacBook they
00:35:51
wanted to do well. I literally have that
00:35:52
pulled up right now. It's like a
00:35:54
slightly smaller, slightly cheaper,
00:35:56
slightly underpowered, but totally fine
00:35:58
for most people laptop. And then if you
00:36:00
really need the upgrade, okay, here's a
00:36:01
bigger screen. Here's a bigger battery.
00:36:02
It's the MacBook Air. It's 1,100 bucks
00:36:04
and it's all the computer you probably
00:36:06
need. And then the pros for the people
00:36:08
who need that.
00:36:08
>> Yeah,
00:36:09
>> Air is in the middle again.
00:36:10
>> And then what else is Air? I mean,
00:36:12
iPhone Air is kind of in the middle.
00:36:13
Sort of. Price-wise, it's technically in
00:36:15
the middle.
00:36:16
>> So, yeah, it kind of works.
00:36:17
>> True. it. Um, it's rumored to have a
00:36:19
12.9 inch display whereas the MacBook
00:36:21
Air has 13.6. Not a huge difference
00:36:24
there. It's something. I was really
00:36:26
hoping they would go for an actual like
00:36:28
12 in super hyper portable display,
00:36:30
especially if they're trying to get into
00:36:31
the educ like the education market where
00:36:33
kids backpacks are like the size of a
00:36:35
purse. I think that could be really
00:36:36
helpful.
00:36:37
>> Am I the only one just straight up
00:36:38
picturing the MacBook from 2015?
00:36:40
>> No. Yeah, for sure. 12in MacBook. Make
00:36:42
the bezel bigger and that or smaller.
00:36:44
You know what's funny about this? I
00:36:45
mean, I would love that. I think that
00:36:47
the 12-inch MacBook, hear me out, and
00:36:50
the trash can Mac Pro have a lot in
00:36:52
common. Ready? Ready for this? I'm gonna
00:36:55
blow your mind. I'm
00:36:56
>> ready.
00:36:57
>> This was back in the in the earlier days
00:36:59
of almost like late Johnny Eye of Apple
00:37:01
of ultra minimalism where they had an
00:37:04
idea of a computer that they wanted to
00:37:06
make, but they didn't have the silicon
00:37:07
to really make it a reasonable computer.
00:37:09
>> Concepts of a computer. So, the Mac Pro
00:37:12
trash can was like this ultra small
00:37:15
single fan computer with like a Intel
00:37:18
chip in there and like dual Radeon GPUs.
00:37:21
It was ridiculous. It was crazy that
00:37:22
they even tried that, but they did. And
00:37:25
it was a computer that would readily
00:37:26
overheat and leave dead pixels in your
00:37:28
video exports, but it was a thing that
00:37:31
they probably could have done with Apple
00:37:32
Silicon a couple of years later really,
00:37:34
really well.
00:37:35
The 12-in MacBook is the same thing.
00:37:37
That was powered by an Intel Core M3 or
00:37:40
i5 or i7 or whatever back in 2017.
00:37:43
>> And it was a smaller, a little bit
00:37:46
underpowered, a little bit too much heat
00:37:47
throttle type of computer where like if
00:37:49
they had Apple Silicon back then, that
00:37:51
would have actually been a reasonable
00:37:53
computer. So, I think this is them
00:37:55
revisiting that concept. I don't think
00:37:57
they're going to revisit that trash can
00:37:59
Mac Pro. I think that's just Mac Studio
00:38:00
now. But that's like the too early for
00:38:03
Mac, too early for Apple silicon idea
00:38:06
that can come around and actually be
00:38:07
good again.
00:38:08
>> I wish that they would release the trash
00:38:10
can again as the trash can fan edition
00:38:12
Mac Pro.
00:38:12
>> They could
00:38:13
>> with an M chip. That would be so sick.
00:38:15
>> I have so many other thoughts about Mac
00:38:16
Pro. Mac Pro is basically dead. Yeah,
00:38:20
>> I think and we're we can get to some of
00:38:21
these other rumors because we're
00:38:22
expecting more M5 MacBook Pros and like
00:38:25
higherend like finishing out the M5 chip
00:38:29
lineup like an M5 Pro and an M5 Max.
00:38:32
>> Whether Ultra ever gets upgraded from M2
00:38:34
Ultra, I'm not sure
00:38:36
>> cuz yeah, the Mac Pro is still on M2
00:38:38
Ultra.
00:38:38
>> Yeah,
00:38:39
>> at this point there is an M3 Ultra chip.
00:38:41
It's only in Mac Studio. There is no M4
00:38:43
Ultra chip yet. If they did make it,
00:38:46
does that mean you cannot buy a Mac Pro
00:38:49
that can do ray tracing then? Because I
00:38:52
think ray tracing was added an M3.
00:38:55
>> Look that up. Someone fact check me on
00:38:56
that.
00:38:57
>> If that's true, then yeah,
00:38:58
>> that's crazy. That's a bummer. RTX on,
00:39:00
baby. RTX.
00:39:01
>> I have a Mac Pro on my desk. I've been
00:39:03
using and editing it. It's M2 Ultra.
00:39:04
It's a great computer. I also have one
00:39:08
internal PCI card in there. It's got
00:39:10
like a 90 terbte SSD RAID and that's
00:39:13
super useful for my backup. There is no
00:39:15
reason I should be using a Mac Pro
00:39:17
still. I should just use a Mac Studio.
00:39:19
>> They're so funny cuz they're like 90%
00:39:21
air on the inside.
00:39:22
>> Yeah, it's just Airflow.
00:39:24
>> That's the Mac Air.
00:39:25
>> So, I might as well at this point like
00:39:27
my next desktop computer is I think an
00:39:30
M5 Ultra Mac Studio with like a single
00:39:34
Thunderbolt cable to like my little SSD
00:39:36
backup. I think that's what it has to be
00:39:38
because I think Mac Pro is just Apple's
00:39:40
done with like giving that attention and
00:39:41
resources
00:39:42
>> because what you should do is they make
00:39:43
these like rack units that have for a
00:39:46
Mac Studio that have a Thunderbolt port
00:39:48
like built into the back. So as soon as
00:39:50
you put it in the rack, it like plugs
00:39:51
into the Thunderbolt and then it adds to
00:39:54
like one or two PCIe card slots in it.
00:39:59
>> So you can still use your giant hard
00:40:00
drive. And what's really cool is there's
00:40:02
like this a lot of them have this
00:40:03
mechanical situation where you push a
00:40:05
button on the front that pushes an
00:40:07
armature that links around the back. So
00:40:09
it moves the power button to the front.
00:40:11
>> Oh, that's hilarious.
00:40:12
>> It's funny cuz I the difference now that
00:40:14
Thunderbolt 5 is out, it's it's enough
00:40:17
bandwidth for me to do what I was going
00:40:19
to do with that PCI storage. I think
00:40:20
there's still people who use PCI for
00:40:22
other things they need all that
00:40:22
bandwidth for, but for me accessing like
00:40:24
40 terabytes of backup footage,
00:40:27
>> I can edit off of a Thunderbolt 5 drive
00:40:29
at this point. Yeah, you're going to
00:40:31
need to edit off of those drives you
00:40:32
already have because the cost of storage
00:40:33
is up 10x from what it was a year ago.
00:40:36
>> Yeah.
00:40:37
>> So, so yeah, I think my Mac Pro is is on
00:40:39
its way out at some point and I'm hoping
00:40:41
to see an M5 Ultra even though we don't
00:40:43
even have M4 Ultra yet.
00:40:44
>> It would be nice. It'd be nice. Yeah.
00:40:46
Well, speaking of, there's some other
00:40:47
things that we're probably going to see.
00:40:48
Probably an M5 Pro and M5 Max MacBook
00:40:51
Pro because they still have not released
00:40:54
M5 Pro and M5 Max. That's correct,
00:40:56
right?
00:40:56
>> Yep.
00:40:56
>> No, no Mac Mini with M5 Pro.
00:40:58
>> Just base M5. They haven't talked about
00:40:59
the Mac Mini. Um, apparently some new
00:41:02
potentially cheaper displays which would
00:41:05
could be cool because currently you've
00:41:07
got the studio display which is cheaper
00:41:10
and then you've got the Pro Display XDR
00:41:13
which has not been updated in a really
00:41:14
really really long time.
00:41:16
>> Maybe something in the middle could be
00:41:18
nice. You know, something that's Pro but
00:41:20
isn't $6,000.
00:41:21
>> Both of those displays are in a really
00:41:23
weird place in the market. Like Andrew,
00:41:25
you know a lot more about like displays
00:41:27
and the variety of displays you can get,
00:41:30
but I just feel like the Pro Display XDR
00:41:32
is a $5,000 monitor.
00:41:34
>> Well, and a thousand stand.
00:41:35
>> Plus $1,000 stand plus $1,000 nano
00:41:37
texture coding that's on mine. It's like
00:41:40
and it's a 60 Hz display. So on paper it
00:41:42
looks ridiculous, but it has the
00:41:43
brightness. It has the color
00:41:44
calibration. It has like what we need
00:41:46
for everyone on the studio seeing the
00:41:48
exact same color, which is awesome.
00:41:50
The studio display, correct me if I'm
00:41:53
wrong, $1,700, I think.
00:41:55
>> I think it's $1,700.
00:41:56
>> Also 60 Hz.
00:41:58
>> Yeah.
00:41:58
>> 27 in display. It's It's kind of It gets
00:42:01
pitched by Apple in these like kind of
00:42:03
creative scenarios sometimes cuz it's a
00:42:05
studio display.
00:42:06
>> Yeah.
00:42:06
>> But also like the display for your
00:42:08
bedroom or the display for just the
00:42:10
computer you have in your house. It's
00:42:11
kind of a silly buy. The rumor is going
00:42:14
to be studio display 2.
00:42:17
>> Okay.
00:42:17
>> So, just update to it. And this is from
00:42:19
95 Mac and they're saying that they are
00:42:21
thinking it will have a higher refresh
00:42:23
rate either 90 or 120 Hz,
00:42:24
>> please.
00:42:25
>> Uh an A19 chip in it because currently
00:42:28
it has the A13 Bionic chip in it. That's
00:42:30
uh to allow this camera and speakers and
00:42:32
stuff to do all the Apple magic.
00:42:34
>> Sure.
00:42:34
>> Uh potentially a miniLEDD display
00:42:37
>> which could be good. And HDR support.
00:42:39
>> Sure.
00:42:40
>> So, and that is probably I think all I
00:42:42
would need of that computer and
00:42:44
hopefully it's reasonably priced. Not
00:42:45
sure I can cross my fingers.
00:42:47
>> Well, the last part. Yes,
00:42:48
>> say goodbye to, but
00:42:49
>> I imagine it'll be about the same price.
00:42:50
I think that there are just not that
00:42:52
many good Thunderbolt displays right
00:42:54
now. And that's what a lot of people
00:42:56
come back to when they talk about the
00:42:58
Studio Display is like it's lacking on a
00:43:00
lot of features, but there are just not
00:43:02
a lot of displays where you can just
00:43:04
plug in one cable and everything just
00:43:05
works perfectly.
00:43:06
>> Yeah, there's a small handful. I've seen
00:43:08
some reviews. There's like the LG Ultra
00:43:10
Fine stuff and I think we have like a
00:43:12
Dell one now that I've I've gotten
00:43:14
really It's like the giant 5K big. Uh,
00:43:17
so there's some there's some interesting
00:43:18
choices out there. Almost all of them
00:43:20
are at least higher refresh rate. I
00:43:22
can't believe Apple's still shipping
00:43:23
like this expensive a display at 60 Hz.
00:43:25
>> It's hard to compare like you said the
00:43:27
Pro Display XDR because you're looking
00:43:28
at things that are like color
00:43:30
calibrated. And once you start getting
00:43:31
into those monitors, they're niche as
00:43:33
well and super expensive. So if you were
00:43:35
looking at pure specs, you could
00:43:36
probably find 800 monitors that are
00:43:39
better
00:43:39
>> for six grand.
00:43:40
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:43:41
>> But then you get into that so niche and
00:43:44
they're
00:43:44
>> in color calibration world. There's like
00:43:46
$40,000 monitors that
00:43:47
>> you want a cheese grater on the back,
00:43:49
which is the most important part that's
00:43:50
behind your wall.
00:43:51
>> It's huge. Yeah. Every day I walk around
00:43:53
the side of my desk and I just check the
00:43:55
back just to make sure the cheese grater
00:43:56
holes are still there.
00:43:57
>> Nice. Nice.
00:43:59
>> Uh yeah. And then some other potential
00:44:00
updates. A18 base iPad. So just kind of
00:44:03
bumping that up. M4 iPad Air. So it's in
00:44:05
the middle. Finally getting M4. iPhone
00:44:08
17e, which again we don't really expect
00:44:10
anything to be different from the 16.
00:44:12
It's going to be so funny.
00:44:14
>> They got to have Max.
00:44:15
>> I hope they do the same thing Pixel just
00:44:18
did because if 16e was already bust of
00:44:21
the air last year, terrible phone to
00:44:23
buy. If 17e is exactly the same when
00:44:26
they then made the base 17 like a deal.
00:44:30
Like we finally said an iPhone was a
00:44:32
deal. If then it's the same as the 16e,
00:44:34
it's going to be somehow a worse deal
00:44:37
than it already was.
00:44:38
>> Head scratching. That would be crazy.
00:44:39
and none of us would be surprised by it
00:44:41
at all.
00:44:42
>> So, it's just a new chip and maybe the
00:44:44
new like dynamic island, I guess. Is
00:44:47
that it? I guess
00:44:48
>> I can't even remember what the
00:44:49
>> I don't even have
00:44:52
60 Hz notch
00:44:54
>> thicker bezels, no Mag Safe, no fast
00:44:58
charge. It has wireless charging um but
00:45:00
no magnets obviously.
00:45:01
>> Yeah.
00:45:02
>> And like black or white are the only
00:45:03
colors. Single camera, like really truly
00:45:06
a base phone. like single speakers at
00:45:08
the bottom, like really bass phone.
00:45:10
>> I don't see them changing a lot of that
00:45:12
stuff. They're just going to probably do
00:45:13
a chip bump and maybe a display bump to
00:45:16
like the at this point like the the
00:45:18
first dynamic island LCD that they ever
00:45:20
made. Did they ever do an LCD dynamic
00:45:22
island? Maybe not. So maybe it's an
00:45:24
OLED. Maybe it's an OLED.
00:45:25
>> Only OLED. Yeah, I would that would have
00:45:27
to be OLED if it was Dynamic Island.
00:45:28
>> So that'd be cool. Yeah. And then I
00:45:30
guess the same phone otherwise sadly.
00:45:33
>> Yep. Starting at 600 bucks. Hm.
00:45:37
>> Yeah.
00:45:37
>> Okay. 16e is already OLED, so that's
00:45:39
good. It'll be OLED. That's good.
00:45:40
>> It seems like it's quite a month of um
00:45:44
quote unquote updating things.
00:45:45
>> Slight updates for
00:45:46
>> slight updates. It's like Samsung,
00:45:48
Google, and Apple are all just not
00:45:51
really updating things. They're
00:45:52
>> And these these are still the companies
00:45:54
that are like mega companies that are
00:45:55
big enough to not be as price sensitive
00:45:59
with memory with all that's happening.
00:46:01
Yeah. Right. Like we think GPUs, memory,
00:46:03
all that stuff.
00:46:04
>> Yeah, that's the I mean, I think Apple
00:46:06
can basically just eat the cost at this
00:46:07
point. Even if it eats into their margin
00:46:09
to the point where they lose money, I
00:46:10
think that they're willing to eat the
00:46:12
cost thinking that maybe within a year
00:46:14
memory will go back down because they
00:46:15
don't want to be unstable and
00:46:16
dynamically change their pricing
00:46:18
constantly, especially for a mega
00:46:19
corporation like that and that would be
00:46:20
a bad look.
00:46:22
>> Um, we do have one more event though.
00:46:24
the there's going to be a nothing event
00:46:26
for the nothing 4A on the 5th and Carl
00:46:30
Pay decided to do what Carl Pay does and
00:46:32
he took the Apple event invite and he uh
00:46:34
made a little Photoshop spray paint
00:46:36
thing of nothing and over the Apple logo
00:46:40
and then put March 5th instead of March
00:46:42
4th. Um, neat
00:46:44
>> funny kind of almost a call back
00:46:46
>> almost a call back to 2018 when there
00:46:50
was going to be a OnePlus event that
00:46:51
Carl was the head of
00:46:53
>> and they announced it and it was a big
00:46:54
fanf fair and then two weeks before the
00:46:57
before Apple was like actually we're
00:46:58
going to have an event on that day and
00:47:00
then OnePlus had to literally move to a
00:47:02
week later because they're like we
00:47:04
literally cannot compete.
00:47:05
>> They move it a week. I thought they
00:47:05
moved to like one day they moved it a
00:47:07
week.
00:47:08
>> I think they moved it a week later. It
00:47:10
was really funny though because everyone
00:47:11
in my world was like, "So, which one are
00:47:13
you going to?" Yeah, we all knew.
00:47:16
>> If this is a call back to that,
00:47:18
>> I'll give Carl some credit for this.
00:47:20
It's funny. I think if you can joke
00:47:22
about something funny that happened to
00:47:24
you in the past that probably screwed up
00:47:25
a lot of things.
00:47:26
>> Yeah. Well, ironically, this 4A seems to
00:47:28
be the only thing that has a new design.
00:47:30
So,
00:47:31
>> I guess you got to give you got to give
00:47:33
credit where it's due.
00:47:34
>> Fair enough. I've got a kind of a thing
00:47:36
here on we're getting a lot of tweets
00:47:38
>> because Apple just announced video
00:47:41
podcasts through Apple podcasts
00:47:44
>> and obviously
00:47:46
>> like Spotify a lot of people have been
00:47:47
asking us if we are going to put it on.
00:47:48
So let me um explain what's happening
00:47:51
and then explain if we will be on it or
00:47:53
not. Uh they lost launched their video
00:47:55
podcast experience on the podcast app
00:47:57
which lets people stream through HTTP
00:48:00
live streaming and you will be able to
00:48:02
download for offline viewing. Um, this
00:48:05
is something they just announced on
00:48:06
Monday, I think it was. In their press
00:48:07
release, Apple said, "We are putting
00:48:09
creators in full control of their
00:48:10
content and how they build their
00:48:12
businesses while making it easier than
00:48:13
ever for audiences to listen to or watch
00:48:15
podcasts." So, everyone's asking us,
00:48:18
will we be putting it on it? And right
00:48:19
now, the answer is no, because we can't
00:48:22
because Megaphone is not one of the
00:48:24
partners that's working with this. So
00:48:25
far, it is opening with uh art 19, Omni
00:48:29
Studio, Simplecast, and Ads Wiz. Those
00:48:32
are all the platforms of publishing that
00:48:34
will be able to use this. Does say there
00:48:37
will be more participating partners
00:48:38
later. Um, but we're in the Vox Media
00:48:40
Podcast Network and we use Megaphone,
00:48:42
which is also owned by Spotify. So, I
00:48:44
don't know when they will be joining the
00:48:45
Apple podcast video platform for this.
00:48:48
Um, but it is kind of cool that they're
00:48:51
allowing dynamically inserted video ads,
00:48:54
including host reads, which is a big
00:48:56
thing in video podcasting right now.
00:48:58
That's still kind of weird. If you watch
00:48:59
us on YouTube, those are obviously not
00:49:01
dynamically inserted. They're based
00:49:03
videos. Till that gets added, we'll see
00:49:05
what that does. Um, podcasting and
00:49:08
podcast ads are so based on dynamically
00:49:10
inserted ads because when you're just
00:49:12
downloading and streaming audio all the
00:49:14
time, it gets swapped out and that's
00:49:15
kind of how people can find ways to
00:49:18
advertise on there. It's much easier
00:49:20
when you can't see if the host is
00:49:21
wearing a different shirt or not. Um, on
00:49:23
video podcast, we re-record our ads
00:49:26
every week. I think Vox thinks we're
00:49:28
crazy that we do that, but we do because
00:49:30
we like things to be as high quality as
00:49:33
they are, even if it's an ad you're
00:49:34
gonna skip. Um, so we'll see what that
00:49:37
does. The reason we're we still have to
00:49:39
see how this plays out though because
00:49:41
the way Spotify did video and the reason
00:49:43
we're one of the reasons we're still not
00:49:44
on there is like we were worried and it
00:49:48
might still take over the if they take
00:49:49
the video audio and turn that into the
00:49:52
audio thing. We might lose all of the
00:49:54
advertising that's coming through Vox or
00:49:57
whichever podcast network we're with.
00:49:59
And
00:49:59
>> if they're doing their weird ads just
00:50:01
from Spotify if Apple were to do
00:50:03
something like that. I don't know. We
00:50:05
need to see what it does because I don't
00:50:06
think people realize how much ads and
00:50:08
podcasts is what
00:50:10
>> makes or breaks a podcast.
00:50:11
>> And also just to be transparent like
00:50:13
we're we're we're we're half a podcast
00:50:15
or half a YouTube channel basically. And
00:50:18
we need to keep getting views on YouTube
00:50:20
because that's how we grow and make
00:50:22
money, discoverability, that kind of
00:50:23
stuff.
00:50:24
>> And it's just kind of awkward now that
00:50:26
everyone's like just put it in here
00:50:28
because we don't get paid for that. So,
00:50:30
I understand the the flexibility and
00:50:33
being able to jump between the audio and
00:50:34
the video in the same app is nice, but
00:50:36
if if the waveform YouTube channel
00:50:39
starts getting less and less views
00:50:40
because people are watching it on
00:50:41
Spotify and and Apple podcast and then
00:50:43
we don't get money for that, it's kind
00:50:45
of hard to
00:50:46
>> It's also weird.
00:50:47
>> It'll be once like podcast networks who
00:50:50
seem pretty be I don't want to say
00:50:52
behind, but the pod podcasting in
00:50:55
general is not really up to date with
00:50:57
advertising everywhere else. So once
00:50:59
they get stuff working and figuring out
00:51:02
rates and stuff like that, it could
00:51:03
totally work. And I I wonder how much we
00:51:06
would lose on if it would be on Spotify,
00:51:08
like if it's just our audio listeners
00:51:10
wanting to hop into video, if that would
00:51:12
actually hit our YouTube at all. There's
00:51:14
>> there's just a lot more to it than just
00:51:15
can you post it on
00:51:16
>> Yeah. Like the reason Joe Rogan took
00:51:18
that $10 million deal or whatever it
00:51:21
was, $100 million
00:51:22
>> is because we turned it down.
00:51:24
>> Cuz we Yeah. Because they were he was
00:51:25
the B plan. But the reason he took the
00:51:27
$100 million deal was like he was making
00:51:29
a lot of money on YouTube.
00:51:31
>> Yeah. That's how much it cost to
00:51:32
convince him to not put it on YouTube.
00:51:34
>> Exactly.
00:51:34
>> Yeah.
00:51:35
>> So, yeah. And I think it's also, you
00:51:37
know, worth remembering that YouTube is
00:51:39
still technically the largest podcast
00:51:43
platform and has a lot of influence on
00:51:45
how podcasts get made and shared. And we
00:51:47
are a podcast, but as you said, we're
00:51:49
we're a YouTube channel as well. And so
00:51:51
there's different things we optimize for
00:51:52
and different formats that you you lean
00:51:54
into.
00:51:54
>> Yeah. Yeah. So,
00:51:55
>> Apple podcast does a decent job of doing
00:51:57
like charts and different suggested
00:51:59
shows. So, I think some some podcasters
00:52:01
who maybe are smaller that have video or
00:52:04
like introducing it to that might
00:52:06
introduce you to a new audience.
00:52:07
>> Totally.
00:52:07
>> Um, which could be cool, but in terms of
00:52:10
us doing it quite yet,
00:52:12
>> we've got a lot of stuff to figure out
00:52:14
before we hop on that. I think Apple
00:52:15
podcast may be in my opinion, in my
00:52:18
limited experience, the only other
00:52:20
podcast platform that is big enough and
00:52:22
has enough discoverability through those
00:52:24
charts that you could be swayed to go,
00:52:26
"All right, we should be putting
00:52:28
everything on Apple Podcast because
00:52:31
people will find us there and we'll
00:52:33
chart there sometimes and get new
00:52:34
viewership there." I could see that.
00:52:36
>> Yeah,
00:52:36
>> it's much easier to convince someone
00:52:38
about YouTube there. But
00:52:39
>> yeah, I could see that.
00:52:40
>> And either way, competition is good.
00:52:42
Like if Vimeo ever got big enough to be
00:52:44
competitive to YouTube, people would
00:52:46
have better ad rates on YouTube.
00:52:48
>> It's true.
00:52:48
>> So
00:52:49
>> there' be Vimeo podcast.
00:52:50
>> Yeah. If Spotify and Apple and YouTube
00:52:53
all want to like battle it out on who
00:52:54
pays the most to video viewers, then go
00:52:57
at it. Like
00:52:58
>> be my guest.
00:52:59
>> Be my guest. That would be nice.
00:53:01
>> We love it. Is podcasting dead?
00:53:03
>> Podcasting is more of a concept.
00:53:06
>> That's fair.
00:53:06
>> I think that it's not what it used to
00:53:08
be. Everything's just a talk show now.
00:53:10
>> Yeah, pretty much. I feel like the
00:53:11
beauty of podcasting before was that you
00:53:13
could just record something, put it on
00:53:14
RSS, and like be done with it.
00:53:16
>> Yeah.
00:53:16
>> To have like ads now. The problem I wish
00:53:19
there was like just some free third
00:53:21
party thing where we can upload our own
00:53:23
video
00:53:24
>> protocol. If only there was some way to
00:53:27
like insert it dynamically in an open
00:53:30
manner into each video.
00:53:32
>> That'd be crazy.
00:53:33
>> Yeah. But YouTube, Spotify, Apple, none
00:53:34
of these platforms are ever going to let
00:53:36
that happen. So this is the the
00:53:38
conundrum we're in where this podcast
00:53:40
industry is kind of exploding. It's on
00:53:42
Netflix now. HBO has podcast.
00:53:45
>> It's just like there's so many different
00:53:47
places to upload video. The fear too is
00:53:49
like while we're with a podcast network
00:53:51
that does audio ads and stuff like that
00:53:53
is going through an RSS feed and where
00:53:55
whenever we start seeing Spotify or
00:53:57
Apple trying to do it, it's like well
00:53:58
what cut are they going to start trying
00:54:00
to take or figuring out or controlling
00:54:02
ads and jumping on it first as a
00:54:05
established place doesn't seem like the
00:54:06
best idea.
00:54:07
>> If there were an open federated
00:54:09
protocol, we wouldn't have to have a
00:54:11
middleman. Just saying. Maybe that's
00:54:13
something I should vibe code it with my
00:54:14
Claudebot at Claude Con. Claw Con or
00:54:17
whatever it's called. Okay. Well, um, we
00:54:20
love games on this podcast. We have
00:54:22
lately been playing more and more games
00:54:24
just like people keep playing games with
00:54:26
my heart. So, I think Adam is going to
00:54:29
do a game with us after we do this
00:54:31
second trivia question.
00:54:34
>> We do less games if phone companies made
00:54:36
phones fun at all anymore.
00:54:38
>> You can't afford this.
00:54:39
>> That's right. If you're a gamer, you
00:54:42
cannot afford this. I'm sorry,
00:54:44
>> guys. Earlier in the episode, we talked
00:54:46
about Ring, but Ring was not always
00:54:50
called
00:54:52
Ring.
00:54:53
>> Weren't they on Shark Tank?
00:54:55
>> They were on Shark Tank.
00:54:56
>> They were.
00:54:57
>> They were Shark Tank.
00:54:58
>> And Kevin Olirri tried to get it and he
00:54:59
said no.
00:55:00
>> He They didn't make a deal. And then
00:55:01
they went on to sell to Amazon for a baz
00:55:04
a billion. Was it a billion? I believe.
00:55:06
Same as Instagram. A bazil.
00:55:08
>> Yeah, it was a bazil.
00:55:09
>> A bazillion.
00:55:10
>> A bazil. Yeah.
00:55:10
>> Jeff Bezos was like, I could do so much
00:55:12
evil with this.
00:55:15
Surveillance Day, you say?
00:55:17
>> Melania movie, you say?
00:55:19
>> Um, but before it was called Ring, was
00:55:21
it called
00:55:22
>> Surveillance Day?
00:55:23
>> A doorbot,
00:55:26
B. Campbell,
00:55:28
or C. Stoop watcher.
00:55:32
>> There's no way it was any of those.
00:55:35
>> Campbell. Yeah. Wait, I'm not going to.
00:55:37
>> It's one of those three terrible names.
00:55:39
>> Yeah. So,
00:55:40
>> I love my Campbell soup.
00:55:42
>> Yeah. I was going to say they was sued
00:55:44
immediately if they used Campbell.
00:55:45
>> It was like how like Amazon's original
00:55:47
name was like Abra or something. Like
00:55:49
all of these companies like start off
00:55:50
with something goofy and then eventually
00:55:51
hire a marketer who's like, "Okay, we
00:55:53
got to do something about this."
00:55:54
>> Abra at least is like the other ones are
00:55:57
just
00:55:58
>> attempting to do a pun really poorly.
00:56:00
That sounds like what chat GPT would
00:56:02
tell me if I was trying to make
00:56:03
>> what the internet. I didn't get any like
00:56:04
primary sources to confirm this, but
00:56:06
what the internet sort of seemed to
00:56:07
indicate was that like they started off
00:56:09
like as a camera company like like
00:56:11
camera for your house and that was not
00:56:15
marketing well. And so they pivoted to
00:56:17
being a smart doorbell that happened to
00:56:20
have a camera. And now that people are
00:56:22
just okay with being surveiled 24/7 now
00:56:25
they're like, "We're a camera company."
00:56:26
I guess not. I guess they try to be
00:56:27
like, "Guys, we're a camera company.
00:56:29
here's a Super Bowl ad. And everyone was
00:56:30
like, I didn't like that. Just just go
00:56:33
ring ring. Someone's at the front door.
00:56:35
>> We'll think about it. We'll be right
00:56:37
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00:57:57
host table.
00:57:58
>> Oh.
00:57:58
>> So, there will be points up for grabs. I
00:58:01
will say a product and we're going to
00:58:03
tell you three specs from that product.
00:58:06
One of them will be completely made up.
00:58:09
>> Two truths, one lie about all of these
00:58:11
products. You guys need to agree on
00:58:14
which one you think it is.
00:58:15
>> Okay. And then if we fooled you, we get
00:58:17
the point. If you get it right, you get
00:58:19
the point.
00:58:20
>> Okay.
00:58:20
>> All right.
00:58:20
>> Real products.
00:58:21
>> Yeah, real products.
00:58:22
>> All right.
00:58:23
>> Let's start easy.
00:58:23
>> All right.
00:58:24
>> Pixel 10 Pro.
00:58:25
>> Yep.
00:58:26
>> The first spec.
00:58:27
>> Mhm.
00:58:27
>> It comes in two screen sizes. The Pro,
00:58:29
which is 6.3 in, and the Pro XL, which
00:58:32
is 6.7 in. Second spec.
00:58:34
>> Yep.
00:58:34
>> 7 years of software updates.
00:58:36
>> Mhm.
00:58:37
>> The third spec comes with a year of
00:58:39
Google AI Pro, a $239 value.
00:58:44
I'm like trying every single thing.
00:58:46
>> The seven years is of uh security
00:58:48
updates and pixel drops, not fullon
00:58:51
software updates. Are there
00:58:52
technicalities like this?
00:58:53
>> There have to be.
00:58:54
>> There are, but I'm pulling this straight
00:58:56
from their website.
00:58:58
>> And you said seven
00:59:00
>> seven years of software updates.
00:59:01
>> I think that's a lie.
00:59:02
>> That's my guess because it's security
00:59:04
updates, not
00:59:05
>> Yeah. And and pixel drops. I think it's
00:59:07
the lie because in seven years uh AI
00:59:10
will have destroyed humanity so they
00:59:11
won't be able seven years of new
00:59:13
features and updates if that changes it.
00:59:15
>> It does.
00:59:18
>> Okay.
00:59:19
>> Okay. So
00:59:20
>> 6.3 and 6.7 does that sound right for
00:59:23
>> 6.3 6.7? Yes, that sounds right. 10 Pro
00:59:27
10 Pro XL. Yep.
00:59:28
>> And then
00:59:29
>> or did they change the screen size by
00:59:31
0.1 or was that Apple? I have the Pro on
00:59:33
my desk. I'm fair Oh, no. I think that's
00:59:35
right. I think that's right. 6.3.
00:59:37
>> So maybe it doesn't come with Google AI
00:59:39
Pro for a year.
00:59:41
>> I thought it did.
00:59:41
>> Or maybe it wasn't a $230.
00:59:43
>> Oh, it doesn't come with Ultra.
00:59:44
>> No.
00:59:44
>> No, it doesn't. That's crazy.
00:59:47
>> That's the $200 one.
00:59:48
>> Pro is $20 a month.
00:59:49
>> Do you want me to reread that?
00:59:50
>> Sounds like something that would come.
00:59:51
>> Let's hear it one more time, Adam.
00:59:53
>> Two screen sizes. The Pro 6.3 in and the
00:59:56
Pro XL 6.7 in. Seven years of new
00:59:58
features and updates or comes with a
01:00:02
year of Google AI Pro, a $239 value.
01:00:06
>> Is it not a $239 value?
01:00:09
>> This is the easy one.
01:00:11
>> This is the easy one because it's like a
01:00:13
very modern device. It's like things off
01:00:15
their website, you know.
01:00:16
>> C.
01:00:16
>> I think it's C. Yeah.
01:00:18
>> All right. Part of me thinks he's
01:00:20
throwing one screen size off.
01:00:23
>> Go see. I'll go see.
01:00:25
Let's go. C is the last C is the last.
01:00:28
>> Wrong. We get the point.
01:00:29
>> What?
01:00:30
>> The size.
01:00:30
>> The Pro XL was 6.8 in.
01:00:32
>> I knew they changed it by 6.9.
01:00:35
>> 6.8.
01:00:36
>> I knew they changed it by 0.1 in.
01:00:39
>> Okay, you got us.
01:00:41
>> Yay.
01:00:42
>> Damn it.
01:00:43
>> We're losing this game.
01:00:45
>> Also, can I just say uh I love that we b
01:00:48
well not we, but the Royal Wii bullied
01:00:50
these Google into seven years of
01:00:52
software updates. We slowly we slowly
01:00:55
bullied these companies into actually
01:00:57
providing seven years is a long time. I
01:00:59
mean, didn't the iPhone what iPhone just
01:01:01
got an update after like 10 years
01:01:02
recently? There was some headline. It
01:01:04
was just some security update.
01:01:05
>> Oh, it was like a security. Yeah.
01:01:06
>> It was like a four, wasn't it?
01:01:09
>> But very few companies update things for
01:01:11
seven years. That's a long time.
01:01:12
>> They usually forget it exists after one
01:01:14
year.
01:01:14
>> Yeah. You know, Marquez, I'm really glad
01:01:15
you brought that up because the next
01:01:18
product
01:01:19
>> on our list, arguably the greatest
01:01:21
consumer product ever released by any
01:01:23
company ever.
01:01:25
>> I know a lot about the human AI pin for
01:01:27
sure.
01:01:27
>> Better than the human AI pen.
01:01:28
>> Oh,
01:01:29
>> more benefit to society than penicellin.
01:01:34
>> The iPhone 12 mini.
01:01:37
>> The wheel.
01:01:38
>> Are you guys way more than the wheel?
01:01:40
Way more than fire.
01:01:42
>> Dude, I'm too hot.
01:01:44
Anyway,
01:01:45
>> he's that
01:01:45
>> guys. iPhone 12 mini
01:01:48
>> a the iPhone 12 mini has a screen to
01:01:51
body ratio greater than 85%. The iPhone
01:01:56
12 mini is the oldest iPhone still fully
01:01:59
compatible with iOS 26. Fully
01:02:02
compatible. I'm not talking about
01:02:03
security patches. I'm talking about iOS
01:02:06
26.
01:02:07
>> That's right. I think the 11 is
01:02:09
>> the iPhone 12 mini was part of the first
01:02:12
series of iPhones to have ceramic
01:02:14
shield.
01:02:14
>> I think the 11 is the the 11 is the 26
01:02:18
one.
01:02:20
>> I swear Ellis said something about his
01:02:22
phone being the last.
01:02:24
>> It was one of the ones that had ceramic
01:02:25
shield cuz the 12 the 12 is what added
01:02:28
ceramic shield. I do remember the I feel
01:02:30
like I remember 12 being ceramic shield.
01:02:32
>> It was. Yeah.
01:02:32
>> And then what what was the first thing
01:02:33
again? The iPhone 12 mini has a screen
01:02:35
to body ratio greater than 85%.
01:02:38
>> It's probably like 86.
01:02:40
>> I kind of think it's like just under.
01:02:41
>> I think it has under 85%
01:02:43
>> cuz I think the notch in a phone that
01:02:45
small
01:02:46
>> Yeah.
01:02:46
>> and it's bezels.
01:02:48
>> If we're thinking about OG like screen
01:02:50
to body ratios, we're like 88.
01:02:52
>> I need I need I need one solid answer.
01:02:54
>> It's a Well, I got outvoted.
01:02:55
>> So, the screen to body ratio is the lie.
01:02:58
>> Yes. Got outvoted,
01:03:00
>> guys. What? The screen to body ratio of
01:03:01
the iPhone 12 mini is 85.1%.
01:03:05
Making it higher than 85%. You want to
01:03:08
know something even more infuriating?
01:03:09
>> It's the 11.
01:03:10
>> It's the 11, baby.
01:03:11
>> Guys,
01:03:13
>> when will you learn to listen to me?
01:03:15
>> The one before I said I think it's the
01:03:17
screen size and you told me no.
01:03:18
>> Yeah, I didn't know about that.
01:03:20
>> I know about this one.
01:03:22
>> So, the iPhone 11 is the one that's
01:03:24
fully supported.
01:03:25
>> iPhone 11 is the oldest phone. Fully
01:03:27
supported. I IO.
01:03:28
>> You did call that immediately. Good.
01:03:30
>> Wow.
01:03:30
>> Immediately. You guys ready for number
01:03:32
three?
01:03:32
>> Any hesitation?
01:03:33
>> Well, David got his one right, so he
01:03:34
can't get any other right so far. So,
01:03:37
>> go get any hesitation.
01:03:38
>> We're losing, guys. We're down.
01:03:40
>> All right. All right. Oculus Rift S.
01:03:42
>> Okay.
01:03:43
>> It was made by Oculus VR and Lenovo.
01:03:47
>> Used an OLED panel with an 80 Hz refresh
01:03:50
rate.
01:03:52
>> Featured software only IPD adjustment.
01:03:55
IPD meaning interpupilary distance.
01:03:58
>> That sounds insane. Um,
01:03:59
>> how do you do that?
01:04:00
>> It's 90 Hz.
01:04:02
>> Wait, can you say the three things
01:04:04
again? Because I didn't I thought you
01:04:06
were still explaining the Oculus Rift. I
01:04:08
didn't know you were doing the thing.
01:04:09
>> Partnered made in partnership with
01:04:10
Lenovo.
01:04:11
>> Okay.
01:04:12
>> Uses an OLED panel that has an 80 Hz
01:04:14
refresh rate.
01:04:15
>> No, it's got to be 90.
01:04:16
>> Featured uh software. Oh. Had software
01:04:20
only IPD interupary distance.
01:04:21
>> I'm pretty sure Valve put out like a
01:04:23
paper that said for people to not get
01:04:26
sick, it has to be 90 or higher. That
01:04:28
sounds
01:04:30
>> I think a lot of these companies focused
01:04:31
on 90 Hz.
01:04:32
>> I want to believe David again.
01:04:35
>> I've also seen some weird refresh rates
01:04:37
on VR headsets.
01:04:39
>> Yeah,
01:04:40
>> like 48.
01:04:43
>> Really?
01:04:43
>> And 96.
01:04:44
>> 48. Maybe not 48. That sounds too low.
01:04:47
>> That sounds too low.
01:04:48
>> But let's go with that. I got to say
01:04:50
this one for stipulation. I'm not as
01:04:53
sure.
01:04:53
>> Nope. Nope. cuz I've never seen software
01:04:57
only IPD ever. I've never heard of that.
01:04:59
>> You mean fiated rendering?
01:05:01
>> No. When like the when you first set up
01:05:02
a headset and you hear the motors move
01:05:04
the lenses to match your eyes. I've
01:05:06
never heard of software only IPD. I mean
01:05:08
I've it's possible that the Rift is the
01:05:10
cheapest one in
01:05:11
>> but this is the Rift.
01:05:12
>> This is like
01:05:13
>> this is the crazy one.
01:05:14
>> The Rift S,
01:05:15
>> which was I believe the last one before
01:05:17
I had
01:05:19
>> A was made by Lenovo.
01:05:21
>> A was made by Oculus VR and Lenovo. Did
01:05:23
Lenovo make this? I don't know that one
01:05:25
at all. I don't know.
01:05:27
>> Lenovo could be behind a thousand
01:05:29
products and I would never know about
01:05:30
it.
01:05:31
>> We have no clue.
01:05:31
>> Behind every great product is even
01:05:34
greater.
01:05:34
>> There's somewhere in that product is the
01:05:36
little red mouse button.
01:05:38
>> You see, is it still a Valve paper? They
01:05:40
probably wouldn't ship their own under
01:05:42
90 Hz.
01:05:43
>> No, but Valve Yeah, but that's the but
01:05:45
that's the val that's Valve. That's not
01:05:47
Lenovo/
01:05:49
Oculus.
01:05:49
>> Oculus. like Oculus might have.
01:05:52
>> I feel like Lenovo did not make the
01:05:53
Oculus S.
01:05:54
>> Yeah, I go that. I don't see them in
01:05:58
that space at all.
01:06:00
>> I need Yeah, I'll confirm. I'll go with
01:06:04
that. But
01:06:04
>> yeah, I think it's because they they did
01:06:06
make the Windows VR headset, the Lenovo
01:06:08
Windows VR headset, but that was not
01:06:10
Oculus S.
01:06:12
>> So, I'd say but it means they've been in
01:06:13
that space before.
01:06:16
>> This is a shot in the dark.
01:06:17
>> Shot in the dark Lenovo. Yeah,
01:06:18
>> Lenovo is a lie.
01:06:20
>> Oh my god.
01:06:21
>> Wow, you guys are doing great.
01:06:23
>> Oh my god.
01:06:24
>> It was an LCD panel, not an OLED panel.
01:06:27
>> That was the guy.
01:06:28
>> He said OLED.
01:06:29
>> Should have heard OLED cuz that feels
01:06:31
really obvious now that I
01:06:33
>> didn't even
01:06:33
>> You guys were going so hard on
01:06:35
everything else. I was like, they missed
01:06:36
the most obvious.
01:06:36
>> What number was that?
01:06:37
>> That was B. Number two. Used an OLED
01:06:39
panel with an 80 Hz refresh rate.
01:06:41
>> And I knew throwing the hertz in there
01:06:43
would really get you guys. When I was in
01:06:44
Philly on Monday,
01:06:47
I was like locked in. When I was When I
01:06:50
was in Philly on Monday, I went to a um
01:06:52
this museum type thing where everything
01:06:54
is a mosaic. And there's like a uh
01:06:56
there's like a thing where you have to
01:06:58
find specific things in the mosaic. And
01:07:01
it's this felt like one of those things
01:07:03
where you're staring directly at it, but
01:07:05
you just didn't see the one thing that
01:07:07
it asked for. And I just didn't even
01:07:09
hear you guys say OLED. So, I wasn't
01:07:10
even thinking about it. I was thinking
01:07:12
about everything around it. Yeah.
01:07:14
>> Okay. This This one This one should be
01:07:16
way easier, I think.
01:07:16
>> Okay. I'm I'm locked in.
01:07:17
>> Lock in. Lock in. Lock in. Lock in.
01:07:19
>> Locked in.
01:07:19
>> There's a three-pointer.
01:07:20
>> This category. This one's
01:07:22
>> This one's You know how confident I am?
01:07:26
Like a This is an eight pointer. Let's
01:07:27
do it.
01:07:29
>> Ready?
01:07:30
>> All right.
01:07:32
>> There is a cucumber emoji.
01:07:35
>> No, there's
01:07:36
>> There is an orca emoji.
01:07:37
>> There is. Seen it.
01:07:38
>> There is.
01:07:39
>> There is a barbecue emoji.
01:07:40
>> There's no cucumber.
01:07:41
>> Barbecue. like a barbecue like the
01:07:44
stand. I've seen that too. It's There is
01:07:46
no cucumber.
01:07:46
>> It's the cucumber.
01:07:47
>> Cucumber. Final answer.
01:07:48
>> Cucumber.
01:07:49
>> Cucumber.
01:07:49
>> Final answer.
01:07:50
>> Final answer.
01:07:52
>> Is it the barbecue?
01:07:54
>> Yeah, there's there's no barbecue
01:07:55
because I don't remember a barbecue.
01:07:56
>> It's probably because Slack might have
01:07:57
its own barbecue emoji.
01:07:59
>> Yeah. Also, that was sort of a trick
01:08:00
question cuz the Orca is not in iOS yet,
01:08:03
but it is in Unicode.
01:08:06
>> What?
01:08:06
>> Yeah. They just haven't added it to the
01:08:08
Apple Apple keyboard yet.
01:08:09
>> But you didn't say Apple. I didn't.
01:08:11
Which is why there Oh my god, there's a
01:08:12
cucumber. There is a That's why there's
01:08:15
just if you search Orca emoji on your
01:08:17
iPhone, it will not come up.
01:08:18
>> I can't believe there's a cucumber and a
01:08:20
pickle. Oh my god, there is a cucumber.
01:08:21
>> Wait, there's a cucumber and pickle.
01:08:22
>> The pickle is also not I actually think
01:08:24
the pickle is going to be
01:08:25
>> I don't see a pickle.
01:08:26
>> It's the same as a cucumber.
01:08:28
>> No, no, no, no, no. I have the answer to
01:08:29
this. The pickle is So, right now we're
01:08:32
the most recent like confirmed approved
01:08:34
in Unicode emoji is 17. That's not in
01:08:38
iOS.
01:08:39
18 is going to get confirmed I think in
01:08:42
the coming weeks. And there is a pickle
01:08:44
I believe in emoji 18.
01:08:45
>> What's the difference?
01:08:48
>> Literally pickled.
01:08:49
>> I want to see like how they make the
01:08:50
visual difference between that.
01:08:53
>> Next, Android Honeycomb.
01:08:56
>> Mhm.
01:08:56
>> This is on you.
01:08:57
>> Famous for its hollow user interface.
01:09:00
>> Yep.
01:09:01
>> Debuted on the Samsung Galaxy Nexus.
01:09:04
>> No.
01:09:05
>> Introduced recent apps for multitasking.
01:09:08
>> Yeah. Which one is
01:09:09
>> honeycomb is five,
01:09:11
>> I believe.
01:09:12
>> And it debuted on the zoom on the t
01:09:14
Yeah, the zoom tablet. Motorola Zoom.
01:09:16
>> Yeah. So,
01:09:17
>> agree.
01:09:18
>> Yeah.
01:09:18
>> Unless it's wrong.
01:09:19
>> Are you locking it in?
01:09:20
>> Honeycom is a tablet UI only. So, it did
01:09:22
not debut on the Galaxy.
01:09:24
>> Four tablets. It had to be. Yeah.
01:09:25
>> The Samsung Galaxy Nexus.
01:09:27
>> It was hollow on
01:09:28
>> the Galaxy Nexus is a phone.
01:09:29
>> Mhm.
01:09:30
>> Yeah. It was ice cream sandwich on the
01:09:31
Nexus 4.0 and then uh five was
01:09:35
>> But just to be sure, can you reread
01:09:38
The question and the possible answers.
01:09:40
>> The question is, Android Honeycomb. Here
01:09:44
are the three things about it. One,
01:09:46
famous for its hollow user interface.
01:09:49
Two, debuted on the Samsung Galaxy
01:09:52
Nexus. Three, introduced recent apps for
01:09:55
multitasking.
01:09:57
>> It didn't debut on the Nexus.
01:09:58
>> Honeycomb. Honeycomb.
01:10:02
Eclair Freyo. Gingerbread.
01:10:04
Honeycomb ice cream sandwich
01:10:07
>> ice cream sandwich was 4.0 right
01:10:12
on the
01:10:15
>> I'm fairly sure that honeycomb was
01:10:18
famous for hollow. It was for tablets
01:10:20
and it debuted on my Motorola Zoom and
01:10:22
it later showed up on the Asus
01:10:23
Transformer tablet. So I'm going with
01:10:26
>> Yeah.
01:10:26
>> the debuted on a Nexus.
01:10:28
>> That's correct.
01:10:29
>> Correct. Finally, they're on the board
01:10:31
with one.
01:10:32
>> We're goss.
01:10:33
>> That was a layup. Gosh.
01:10:34
>> All right, let's do let's hit him with
01:10:36
another Marquez. I guess that was that
01:10:38
all of you guys knew that. But this
01:10:39
one's really the Marquez special, but
01:10:41
you should all also know it except maybe
01:10:44
>> Andrew
01:10:46
off.
01:10:46
>> Well, no, it's not. It's cuz you use the
01:10:48
other one sometimes
01:10:50
>> cuz this product is
01:10:52
>> I wish I had a drum roll. I guess that's
01:10:54
the next button I got to put. Um, Final
01:10:57
Cut Pro was originally called Keygrip
01:11:00
and developed by a company called
01:11:02
Macromedia. Final Cut Pro was acquired
01:11:05
by Apple in 2001. And Marquez, this one
01:11:09
is just for you. You can temporarily
01:11:11
disable Final Cut Pro's signature
01:11:13
feature, the magnetic timeline, by
01:11:17
holding down the TY key. He's never done
01:11:19
that before.
01:11:20
>> I know he does it in a different crazy
01:11:23
way.
01:11:23
>> You can do that. You
01:11:26
Okay, we're here.
01:11:26
>> I could be lying.
01:11:27
>> Allegedly.
01:11:28
>> So,
01:11:30
>> so when I was in high school, I was
01:11:31
using Final Cut
01:11:34
>> six, I believe.
01:11:35
>> Seven, probably.
01:11:36
>> And that was 1864, right? Yeah. I used
01:11:39
>> It may have made it seven by my senior
01:11:41
year. My senior year in high school is
01:11:43
2008.
01:11:44
>> So, if 2001
01:11:46
was when it got acquired, that would
01:11:49
presumably be Final Cut one. Mhm.
01:11:52
>> And then so the timing kind of
01:11:55
>> like
01:11:55
>> matches up right then.
01:11:56
>> So if we're facteing the 2001 part
01:11:58
because I remember Apple acquired it. I
01:12:00
remember it was Keygrip before.
01:12:01
>> Okay.
01:12:01
>> I don't remember the name of the company
01:12:03
that developed it, which if that's the
01:12:05
gotcha, then I'm not going to get it.
01:12:06
But it was Keygrip and it was acquired
01:12:08
by Apple. And if so, if 2001 makes
01:12:10
sense, then the things that we're
01:12:12
facteing are the tilda or the name of
01:12:16
the company that owned it before Apple.
01:12:18
>> 2001. The 2001 could be like a year off.
01:12:21
>> I'll make it a little more interesting.
01:12:24
>> It's not the name of the company is not
01:12:25
the gotcha here. I'm not saying whether
01:12:27
it was actually called Keygrip or not,
01:12:29
but we're not we're not double double
01:12:31
tricking you on that.
01:12:32
>> I was using Final Cut 7 in 2006 through
01:12:35
2008. I know that for sure.
01:12:37
>> Okay. So, but that was already owned by
01:12:40
Apple by then.
01:12:41
>> Yeah.
01:12:42
>> Yeah, it was
01:12:43
>> Yeah. Final Cut Pro. I didn't
01:12:45
>> actually I don't know if it was owned by
01:12:46
Apple by then.
01:12:48
I think I just used it on a Mac.
01:12:49
>> It was pretty It was pretty much like
01:12:51
the Apple thing. It was actually one of
01:12:54
its most popular versions was seven.
01:12:56
>> Yeah.
01:12:57
>> Uh
01:12:58
>> so is the gotcha there potentially?
01:13:00
>> So keygrip turned it into Final Cut
01:13:02
before Apple acquired it or
01:13:04
>> Oh no.
01:13:05
>> Is that what you guys are saying? Cuz I
01:13:07
just assumed when Apple acquired it
01:13:08
that's when it became Final Cut.
01:13:09
>> Yeah, Apple.
01:13:10
>> But I don't know the lore there.
01:13:12
>> So did Apple acquire Final Cut or did
01:13:13
they acquire Keygrip?
01:13:15
That's not the gotcha either.
01:13:17
>> Okay.
01:13:18
>> So, the gotcha is either the tilda or
01:13:19
>> I think it's the tilda to screw with
01:13:21
you.
01:13:21
>> There's no there's no there's no it's
01:13:23
just one of them is just a line.
01:13:25
>> Could be the tilda.
01:13:26
>> The tilda.
01:13:26
>> I think they're trying to
01:13:27
>> Maybe you can hold down another key.
01:13:29
>> Yeah, I think it's the tilda. I don't
01:13:30
think you can disable magnetic timeline.
01:13:32
I think you can disable magnetism of
01:13:34
clips like your your play head with the
01:13:37
tilda. Or maybe not the tilda, but you
01:13:39
can disable and enable magnetic uh
01:13:42
snapping.
01:13:43
>> Oh, yeah. but not the whole magnetic
01:13:44
timeline.
01:13:45
>> I think it is snapping.
01:13:46
>> So, I'm going to go with I'm going to go
01:13:47
with C is the actual Yos.
01:13:51
I think it's snapping.
01:13:52
>> What do you mean?
01:13:54
>> What in like the magnetic snapping?
01:13:56
>> You can disable magnetic snapping, but
01:13:57
>> So, the magnetic timeline is when you're
01:14:00
dropping clips onto the timeline itself
01:14:01
and when you shorten a clip, every
01:14:03
single clip after it moves with it. If
01:14:06
you don't use that and you you stack
01:14:08
above and below the magnetic timeline,
01:14:10
you can still snap clips together
01:14:13
instead of having to get to the exact
01:14:14
key frame because of the magnetic
01:14:17
feature.
01:14:18
>> Okay.
01:14:18
>> Of the playhead.
01:14:19
>> I get it. I get it. This one I just have
01:14:21
to think.
01:14:22
>> So,
01:14:22
>> we were right.
01:14:23
>> You're not right. But the thing is is
01:14:25
like because it's kind of like
01:14:27
accidentally right because
01:14:28
>> the best kind.
01:14:29
>> So, the the the tilt just lets you move
01:14:32
clips everywhere. They don't they don't
01:14:34
magnetize to stuff.
01:14:36
>> I don't know if when you're moving stuff
01:14:37
with the ty the tilda key if other stuff
01:14:39
still snaps to it. If you just want
01:14:42
other stuff to not if you just want
01:14:45
other clips to not respond magnetically,
01:14:47
you use the P key which switches to the
01:14:49
position tool. So now I'm like you're
01:14:52
wrong, but like you may have
01:14:53
accidentally like stumbled on a right
01:14:55
answer because I wasn't like specific
01:14:57
enough, you know,
01:14:58
>> which deals in line with OLED versus
01:15:00
LCD. Is keygrip also a lie? No, I'll
01:15:03
give you that one just because No, Key
01:15:04
Rip is is true and it we lied about the
01:15:06
year it was acquired.
01:15:07
>> Okay.
01:15:08
>> I feel like I should give you that point
01:15:09
just because you did get me on the
01:15:11
specifics.
01:15:12
>> Yeah.
01:15:12
>> Final Cut 7 was released in 2009 or so.
01:15:16
>> I Well, you got to cut the part where I
01:15:17
said I was using in 2006.
01:15:19
>> Wait, what the was I using then?
01:15:21
>> Six.
01:15:22
>> They look exactly the same. Six and
01:15:24
seven
01:15:25
were exactly the same
01:15:26
>> in 2006.
01:15:27
>> They were just
01:15:29
Who knows? Speaking of sevens, the
01:15:31
iPhone 7. Okay. iPhone 7. Yep.
01:15:34
>> Comes in rose gold, gold, silver, black,
01:15:38
jet black, and product red.
01:15:40
>> Mhm.
01:15:41
>> Has a 32, 64, and 128 GB capacity.
01:15:45
>> That's the lie. That's the lie. Featured
01:15:47
the A10 Fusion chip.
01:15:49
>> It's There's no It Sorry, there's no
01:15:52
128,
01:15:53
>> right?
01:15:54
>> 3264.
01:15:55
>> Can you say it? But I like David's
01:15:57
conviction.
01:15:58
the confidence to the level of
01:16:00
interruption there.
01:16:02
>> Sorry.
01:16:02
>> No, no, no, no, no, no. I like inter if
01:16:05
you interrupt him. I'm team David here.
01:16:07
We're like, that's how I know.
01:16:08
>> I'm interrupting. So, the first one
01:16:11
>> comes in rose gold, gold, silver, black.
01:16:14
>> Can I interrupt? I don't know what we're
01:16:16
talking about.
01:16:16
>> iPhone 7.
01:16:17
>> iPhone.
01:16:17
>> iPhone 7.
01:16:18
>> All the colors were okay.
01:16:20
>> Rose gold, gold, silver, black, jet
01:16:24
black, and product red. Number two, has
01:16:27
a 32, 64, or 128 GB capacity.
01:16:31
>> And number three, featured the A10
01:16:34
Fusion chip.
01:16:34
>> Okay, I remember the jet black iPhone.
01:16:36
Wasn't that the
01:16:37
>> No, there. No, I agree. But he said rose
01:16:38
gold and gold.
01:16:40
>> Yeah, painted.
01:16:41
>> No, he was saying Oh,
01:16:42
>> he said it came in rose gold and gold. I
01:16:44
thought it just came in one of those.
01:16:46
>> I'm just trying to remember.
01:16:46
>> And then it came in black and gold.
01:16:47
>> They never had a truly gold.
01:16:49
>> The phone that had a jet black didn't
01:16:51
also have a black though, right?
01:16:52
>> No, I thought it did.
01:16:54
>> Really? I thought it it wasn't only one
01:16:56
of them, the like seven plus. I think
01:16:59
seven was right with the jet black
01:17:00
because that thing that was right when I
01:17:02
started working.
01:17:03
>> That wasn't the eight.
01:17:04
>> No, cuz the eight came out with the 10.
01:17:06
>> We haven't even started discussing the
01:17:07
fusion chip though. We haven't even
01:17:09
started discussing
01:17:10
>> or we feel like it's the seven that had
01:17:13
gold, rose gold, black, and jet black.
01:17:16
>> I don't think there was gold and rose
01:17:18
gold. Has Apple ever released a purely
01:17:20
gold phone? I don't think so.
01:17:22
>> Yeah.
01:17:23
>> What? What
01:17:24
>> was there like a 5S that was gold?
01:17:25
There's like silver and a gold version.
01:17:27
>> Yeah.
01:17:27
>> I thought they've always been rose gold.
01:17:29
>> That might have been rose gold.
01:17:30
>> Silver and gold. Silver.
01:17:32
>> I don't know why I'm nodding and
01:17:33
shaking.
01:17:33
>> Yeah, I don't either. I don't know if
01:17:34
you're
01:17:34
>> I think it was rose gold cuz it was like
01:17:36
pink.
01:17:37
>> Rose gold's pink, right?
01:17:38
>> Yeah.
01:17:38
>> They never had a phone that had also
01:17:40
gold
01:17:40
>> was
01:17:41
>> I don't know.
01:17:41
>> Eight. The rose gold that just looked
01:17:43
like a band-aid.
01:17:45
>> That cuz that was glass back, right?
01:17:47
>> Yeah. Eight was glass back.
01:17:49
>> Seven.
01:17:50
>> What color?
01:17:51
>> Well, I guess. Wait, wait. It was seven
01:17:53
glass back or metal back?
01:17:55
>> Seven. Uh,
01:17:56
>> it was glass, right?
01:17:58
>> Yeah, cuz the eight was the first
01:17:59
wireless char. Yeah, first wireless
01:18:01
charging iPhone was the eight.
01:18:03
>> So then seven was
01:18:04
>> seven had a jet black glossy version,
01:18:08
but it didn't uh wireless charge. I
01:18:10
remember that phone. It was like super
01:18:11
It fingerprints. It had like scratches
01:18:14
super easily. Single camera,
01:18:16
>> but I don't think it had wireless
01:18:17
charging. But it was the one that was
01:18:18
like polished. No, they added wireless
01:18:20
charging on the 11 eight.
01:18:23
>> No, the 12. Oh, wireless charging.
01:18:25
>> Wireless charging.
01:18:26
>> Eight. Mag Safe was 12.
01:18:28
>> Didn't 10 they had wireless charging.
01:18:30
>> Eight and 10 came out at the same time.
01:18:32
>> Yeah, eight and 10 at the same time.
01:18:33
Yeah.
01:18:37
>> What are they talking?
01:18:39
>> So, the Zoom, the iPhone 7, did it have
01:18:43
gold? Sounds like too many colors.
01:18:44
>> Rose gold?
01:18:45
>> I don't think it had gold.
01:18:46
>> Silver?
01:18:47
>> I think it's the color. Can I make a
01:18:48
clarification question? Yeah. When you
01:18:50
say seven, do you mean seven lineup or
01:18:52
just the seven? Are you counting seven
01:18:54
plus?
01:18:55
>> On Apple's website for documentation in
01:18:58
technical specifications, it just says
01:19:00
iPhone 7.
01:19:01
>> I don't think it came in gold and rose
01:19:02
gold. I don't remember an iPhone 7 in
01:19:05
regular gold color.
01:19:07
>> I'm like wondering if one of them came
01:19:09
in the seven and one came in the
01:19:10
>> aluminum. Aluminium
01:19:13
>> gold and rose. I can picture it with the
01:19:17
antenna bands, but maybe I'm just making
01:19:18
that up in my head.
01:19:20
>> No.
01:19:20
>> A10 fusion chip. Is that um
01:19:23
>> I don't think there's any way to know.
01:19:25
>> Well, we're on A10.
01:19:27
>> We're A10 in the iPhone 10.
01:19:29
>> We're on A8, right?
01:19:31
>> Wait, let's go backwards. A10 in the
01:19:33
iPhone 7 would mean A9 in the iPhone 6,
01:19:36
which would mean A8 in the iPhone 5. Or
01:19:38
wait, 6S.
01:19:40
>> Well, no, no, no, no, no. We should go
01:19:41
back from the top because we start.
01:19:43
We're on iOS 26 right now.
01:19:45
>> Shut up.
01:19:46
>> A
01:19:48
iPhone 17.
01:19:49
>> So it' be a 16 is a 17. 15 is 16. 14 is
01:19:55
13.
01:19:56
>> 12 is
01:19:58
>> No, no, no. 13 is 12.
01:20:00
>> iPhone 13
01:20:01
>> is 12
01:20:02
>> is A12.
01:20:03
>> Yo, for any young aspiring podcast
01:20:10
>> iPhone 12 is a 13.
01:20:11
>> Shut up. iPhone 12 is A3. iPhone 11 is a
01:20:16
12. iPhone 10
01:20:18
>> 10/8
01:20:20
is A1 A1. So it would be A10. Yeah.
01:20:24
>> A10 Fusion.
01:20:25
>> Okay. It lines up.
01:20:27
>> Yeah.
01:20:28
>> Okay.
01:20:28
>> Or did they not do the
01:20:29
>> I hope it's the gold thing cuz it said
01:20:31
it 14 minutes ago.
01:20:32
>> Let's go with the gold. Let's go with
01:20:33
the colors.
01:20:34
>> What about the fuse?
01:20:35
>> No.
01:20:36
>> David was right at the beginning. David
01:20:38
interrupted the question and was right.
01:20:40
>> There's no 128. Well, there's no 64, but
01:20:43
it was the storage thing.
01:20:44
>> The courage of my convictions, bro. We
01:20:46
got to go.
01:20:46
>> Wait, they had
01:20:47
>> So, they had a 32 and a 128,
01:20:50
>> and they had a gold and a rose gold and
01:20:52
a black and a jet black.
01:20:54
>> 32, 128, 256 were the storage options.
01:20:58
>> They just went from 32 to 128.
01:21:00
>> What's even funnier is at the top of the
01:21:02
page, they have the gold and the rose
01:21:04
gold right next to each other. So, you
01:21:05
guys are like, there's no way they never
01:21:06
did both gold and rose gold. We're just
01:21:08
like looking at these two. I forgot that
01:21:09
they used to do like 32 and then if you
01:21:12
if you pay the money you can get like a
01:21:13
real storage.
01:21:15
>> Wait, that gold one's kind of nice. Was
01:21:16
this the best lineup of colors
01:21:18
>> and it had the best camera?
01:21:19
>> Dude, this red.
01:21:20
>> Gold is really good. And that was a good
01:21:22
product red with the like metal.
01:21:24
>> Yeah, iPhone 7 was the best.
01:21:25
>> Jet black was overrated though. Damn, I
01:21:26
forgot they did black and jet black.
01:21:28
>> Jet black sucked. But black was good.
01:21:29
>> Black fire. Damn. Okay. Okay. Okay.
01:21:31
Okay,
01:21:31
>> guys. This one's not a trick. There's no
01:21:33
That saying that really makes it sound
01:21:35
like it's a trick. I was going to say
01:21:37
>> this one's just like straight up true or
01:21:39
lie. Ready?
01:21:41
>> This the the consumer product
01:21:44
>> for this one.
01:21:46
>> The pause means there's a trick
01:21:47
somewhere in here.
01:21:48
>> The trick is that it's not a consumer
01:21:50
product. It's facts about me. Ellis,
01:21:53
>> facts about
01:21:54
>> Are you ready? Fact number one.
01:21:56
>> Mhm.
01:21:57
>> I have owned two phones with full cordy
01:22:01
keyboards, physical cordy keyboards on
01:22:03
them. two phones over the course of my
01:22:06
entire life.
01:22:07
>> Okay.
01:22:08
>> Fact number two, I owned three iPhones
01:22:13
before the iPhone lost the home button.
01:22:15
Meaning I had three iPhones between one
01:22:18
and eight, right? Yeah.
01:22:21
>> Can Never mind.
01:22:22
>> Yeah. No, clarify. Hit it.
01:22:24
>> I feel like saying three is this exact
01:22:26
number. Is it like more than three or
01:22:28
less?
01:22:28
>> No. Exact number. If it's it's either
01:22:30
three or everything else.
01:22:33
>> Same thing with the two. And get it.
01:22:36
Last fact, I have only ever owned one
01:22:40
phone in my entire 12-year-old life that
01:22:44
had a T9 dialer keypad. And you know
01:22:46
what I mean when I say T9? I mean
01:22:49
>> 12 buttons arranged in a three column
01:22:52
four row grid.
01:22:53
>> Was it the LG Voyager?
01:22:55
I'm not I can't
01:22:57
>> the Voyager had a touch screen and No,
01:23:02
>> it wasn't.
01:23:03
>> So, one phone with a T9 keypad.
01:23:06
>> Mhm.
01:23:07
>> Three iPhones with home buttons.
01:23:10
>> Mhm.
01:23:10
>> Two phones with full cordy keyboards.
01:23:14
>> I
01:23:14
>> It's three iPhones.
01:23:15
>> I think it's I don't think he owned a
01:23:17
phone with a T9 keyboard.
01:23:19
>> I think he did.
01:23:20
>> I think that's the lie.
01:23:22
>> Oh, yeah. You're right. Do you remember
01:23:23
when he said he bought his first phone
01:23:25
and it was
01:23:26
>> it was a slider slider phone. It was
01:23:27
like a Yagasaki or whatever.
01:23:29
>> Yes. A T9 would be
01:23:31
>> what?
01:23:31
>> Like a Yamaha
01:23:34
Mitsubishi.
01:23:35
>> Matsubishi.
01:23:36
>> So if the first phone slider, then we're
01:23:38
going
01:23:39
>> I think we never owned a T knife.
01:23:41
>> Yeah, I think it was the slider only.
01:23:43
>> No, it was the Yamaha Kawasaki hybrid.
01:23:47
>> My first phone was Korean. It was a
01:23:49
Samsung. It was a Samsung.
01:23:51
>> Was it really? Yes.
01:23:53
>> Did it have T9?
01:23:54
>> Oh, no.
01:23:55
>> Andrew, you are correct. I never owned
01:23:58
>> I know nothing about tech and everything
01:23:59
about Ellis. That's
01:24:02
>> it's great as it should be.
01:24:03
>> That was a six-pointer.
01:24:05
>> Six pointer. So, we're Oh, we're we're
01:24:06
ahead.
01:24:06
>> I did not.
01:24:07
>> Did you say that?
01:24:08
>> No.
01:24:09
>> Working 9 to5.
01:24:11
>> So, score producers five hosts three.
01:24:14
Next question.
01:24:15
>> Okay.
01:24:16
>> Is about Microsoft.
01:24:18
Number one. The first Microsoft Store
01:24:20
was in Scottsdale, Arizona. Number two,
01:24:24
Bing is actually the rebrand of an older
01:24:27
Microsoft search engine called Live
01:24:29
Search. Or number three, while the Zoom
01:24:32
no longer lives, the music store where
01:24:34
you can get files for Zoom, Groove
01:24:35
Music, is still up and running.
01:24:38
Which one is it?
01:24:40
>> What?
01:24:41
>> One of these.
01:24:42
>> The
01:24:43
>> I feel like the first store was in um
01:24:46
Santa Clara. So, I I can picture like
01:24:48
the first ever Microsoft store uh and us
01:24:51
all going, "Oh, wow. It's a pretty glass
01:24:52
store." But I don't remember where that
01:24:54
was.
01:24:55
>> I would assume it's in Washington,
01:24:57
>> which is where the HQ is.
01:24:59
>> Yeah.
01:24:59
>> Yeah.
01:25:00
>> I think the other thing I'm thinking
01:25:01
about is I own a Zoom HD and never once
01:25:03
used whatever he said was the name of
01:25:05
the music store.
01:25:08
>> It would not be up and running still,
01:25:09
right?
01:25:10
>> No way.
01:25:10
>> Groove Music. I remember Groove Music. I
01:25:12
remember Groove.
01:25:13
>> That feels like the weird thing that
01:25:14
we're supposed to pick. I didn't use
01:25:16
Groove Music. I used the Zoom store and
01:25:18
bought I bought music from the Zoom
01:25:20
store. I never I don't think it was
01:25:21
called Groove Music.
01:25:23
>> I don't think
01:25:24
>> I would pick that.
01:25:25
>> I'm pretty sure there is a Groove Music.
01:25:27
>> What was it for?
01:25:29
>> Music.
01:25:30
>> But like for what?
01:25:31
>> I mean, so for PC or like what would you
01:25:34
why would you buy it?
01:25:35
>> I think it was
01:25:38
like an MP3 purchasing platform.
01:25:40
>> Well, because it was like old iTunes
01:25:41
where you used to buy your songs
01:25:43
individually. So, that makes sense. And
01:25:44
I could see it have potentially
01:25:46
pivoting.
01:25:48
>> I need I need to clarify one of the
01:25:49
things in this because a little more
01:25:51
nuance. The the first like Microsoft
01:25:54
store as we know Microsoft stores to
01:25:56
exist was in fact in Scottsdale,
01:25:57
Arizona. I can confirm that.
01:25:59
>> Um there was a like prototype Microsoft
01:26:02
store like like seven or eight years
01:26:05
before this opened that was operated by
01:26:08
like a Sony consumer retail division uh
01:26:11
in San Francisco. So it was there for
01:26:14
like a twoish years. So
01:26:17
>> technically there was a retail
01:26:19
experience called the Microsoft store.
01:26:22
However, what we now know as Microsoft's
01:26:24
Microsoft Store retail thing. Scott
01:26:28
Arizona is still factually correct
01:26:29
there.
01:26:30
>> So now you got a 5050 chance.
01:26:32
>> Yeah, we have a 50-50 chance.
01:26:33
>> I I Oh.
01:26:37
>> All right. Yeah.
01:26:38
>> So, probably like I don't think Groove
01:26:40
is still up and running unless they
01:26:41
pivoted to a streaming service, but I
01:26:43
doubt it because who would
01:26:45
>> I
01:26:45
>> I don't know where Bing came from.
01:26:46
>> I I feel like it has to be the
01:26:48
>> feels right.
01:26:50
>> The groove is the thing Adam wants us to
01:26:53
pick
01:26:54
>> because it feels so obviously not.
01:26:56
>> Does it help to say that I did not write
01:26:59
this question?
01:27:00
>> No. Um
01:27:03
calling something live feels really on
01:27:06
brand.
01:27:07
>> It does. which could be is it two on
01:27:09
brand called live
01:27:10
>> live translation.
01:27:11
>> Come on, it's right in front of you.
01:27:12
Come on, you got this. You got this.
01:27:13
>> I know it's there. I just
01:27:15
>> later tonight we'll play some Halo and
01:27:17
hop on.
01:27:18
>> Oh, Xbox Live.
01:27:19
>> Also, thank you.
01:27:21
>> Live translation and uh
01:27:24
>> I don't it Windows Live. Windows Live.
01:27:28
>> What's Windows?
01:27:29
>> What was the name of the search engine
01:27:30
you're saying?
01:27:31
>> Live search.
01:27:32
>> Live search.
01:27:33
>> Yeah,
01:27:34
>> that live search. It feels like
01:27:36
>> I can picture the blue in the logo.
01:27:39
>> Life search. I don't I know it's
01:27:43
Microsoft.
01:27:44
>> If I was making up a fake early
01:27:46
generation like internet search engine
01:27:49
name,
01:27:49
>> especially from
01:27:50
>> I would call it live search cuz I'm
01:27:52
searching the internet live.
01:27:54
>> It makes more sense to ask Jeeves, but
01:27:57
>> I know
01:27:57
>> we all remember that instead.
01:27:59
>> Bing. I don't remember a a time before
01:28:03
Bing. Maybe I'm too young.
01:28:04
>> Whoa. I really don't remember the great
01:28:07
LLM at this point.
01:28:08
>> Did you have a time base in there or did
01:28:10
you just say it was before Bing? Damn, I
01:28:11
can't remember pre-banging. There's like
01:28:13
BC.
01:28:15
>> PB PB and AB.
01:28:18
>> Yeah, I'm I'm exclusively a postb uh
01:28:21
type person.
01:28:22
>> We just live in the postb world.
01:28:24
>> So, I think I have to choose the the
01:28:25
Zoom one.
01:28:26
>> I'll go I'm somehow fight. I don't
01:28:29
believe either of them somehow or I do.
01:28:31
Yeah, I don't know.
01:28:32
>> I remember group music. I don't if
01:28:34
they're still operating. They pivoted.
01:28:36
>> So what? So let's go with that.
01:28:37
>> Yeah. What's the answer I need you guys
01:28:38
to
01:28:39
>> Well, they just said they're still
01:28:40
operating, right?
01:28:41
>> Yeah.
01:28:42
>> So it's probably the other one.
01:28:43
>> So you think it's the search? I'll go
01:28:45
with search.
01:28:46
>> I'm thinking search.
01:28:48
>> Okay, I'll go with that.
01:28:52
>> Guys, our group music is not operating
01:28:54
anymore.
01:28:56
>> You guys had a 50/50 chance. We gave you
01:28:58
that one.
01:28:59
>> Coin flip. You walked in too hard.
01:29:01
What's funny is if you didn't say the
01:29:02
other thing, I probably would have
01:29:03
argued that we should pick Scottsdale.
01:29:04
>> All right. Well, this next one you guys
01:29:06
need to get because two out of three of
01:29:08
you have lived in this state your entire
01:29:09
life. So,
01:29:10
>> oh boy. Okay,
01:29:11
>> guys. That's right. This final category,
01:29:14
this final consumer product is the great
01:29:17
state of New Jersey.
01:29:20
>> Well, I'm going to get this wrong.
01:29:23
>> The top half of New Jersey. First fact,
01:29:27
>> the first baseball game ever recorded as
01:29:31
being played was played in Hoboken, New
01:29:34
Jersey.
01:29:35
>> The first baseball game.
01:29:37
>> The first the first baseball game that
01:29:39
is like recorded and we have the score
01:29:40
and what happened.
01:29:42
>> It's so funny thinking of Hoboka now,
01:29:45
>> but like baseball has been around for a
01:29:48
very long time. So,
01:29:49
>> in true New Jersey sports fashion, both
01:29:52
of the teams were named for New York
01:29:54
City.
01:29:55
>> It was the New York Knicker Bachers
01:29:57
versus the New York Nine.
01:29:59
>> Second New Jersey fact.
01:30:02
>> New Jersey has a spoon museum in
01:30:05
Patterson. This spoon museum has over
01:30:08
5600
01:30:10
spoons.
01:30:11
>> I can see that
01:30:12
>> species of spoons.
01:30:14
>> Watch the technicality of 5,599. Third
01:30:18
New Jersey fact.
01:30:21
New Jerseyy's very own Atlantic City is
01:30:25
the basis for the property names in the
01:30:28
popular board game.
01:30:31
Yeah,
01:30:31
>> that's true.
01:30:32
>> Shoots and Les
01:30:36
Candy. You guys ever played Candy Land?
01:30:38
Like,
01:30:38
>> hell yeah, bro.
01:30:38
>> But you've never been to the gumdrop
01:30:40
forest in New Jersey.
01:30:42
>> The gumdrop where B is.
01:30:45
>> Okay. Um, the spoons one, I have no
01:30:47
idea. I've never heard of it, but it
01:30:49
wouldn't shock me. So, that's where I'm
01:30:51
at with that one. The Monopoly one, I
01:30:53
know that that is true and I believe
01:30:55
there's no gotchas in there. That sounds
01:30:56
correct.
01:30:57
>> Yeah.
01:30:57
>> So, the first one is the first ever
01:31:00
baseball game recorded was in Hoboken.
01:31:04
>> Was it called Hoboken at the time?
01:31:07
>> The first ever baseball game is so long
01:31:09
ago.
01:31:11
>> Yeah, so long ago. Hoboken was I mean
01:31:14
Hoboken. Okay. To be fair, Stevens was
01:31:16
founded in like the 1870s, but
01:31:18
baseball's older than that, right?
01:31:19
>> What came first, baseball or Hoboken?
01:31:21
>> What is How old is the first baseball
01:31:23
game?
01:31:23
>> Yeah. When did the Louisiana Purchase
01:31:25
happened?
01:31:25
>> Hold on. I'll be
01:31:26
>> The first The first baseball game ever
01:31:29
recorded.
01:31:31
>> What year could that be?
01:31:32
>> I'm getting it for you.
01:31:34
>> 1894.
01:31:36
>> BB before Bing
01:31:37
>> cuz I'm fairly sure
01:31:39
>> 46.
01:31:40
>> Damn. So Stevens was founded in Hoboken
01:31:42
in like 1876. So, I guess it's it's
01:31:44
possible that there was a Hoboken in
01:31:45
1840 something. Wow.
01:31:48
>> It's probably called like New York
01:31:50
extension at that point.
01:31:52
>> New York across the river.
01:31:54
>> New York. Oh, was that part of it that
01:31:56
they're called New York nines and New
01:31:58
York Nickerbuckers?
01:31:59
>> Probably.
01:32:00
>> I have no idea if that's probably
01:32:01
>> that wasn't part of the actual question.
01:32:03
That was just more context. The Hoboken
01:32:05
thing.
01:32:06
>> No, the New York teams the teams. I
01:32:10
can't believe you haven't commented on
01:32:12
anything that this was a technically a
01:32:13
Knicks game.
01:32:14
>> I know.
01:32:15
>> Yeah, Nicker Buckers was funny.
01:32:17
>> New Jersey Knicks.
01:32:18
>> They had Jaylen Brunson.
01:32:20
>> I don't know.
01:32:22
>> Patterson.
01:32:26
>> Might as well be the Spoon Museum. I
01:32:27
have no idea.
01:32:29
>> Spoon.
01:32:29
>> I know very little about
01:32:30
>> I bet it wasn't called Hoboken. That's
01:32:32
my guess.
01:32:33
>> I kind of think
01:32:34
>> Is it a fork museum instead? I I kind of
01:32:37
think the Spoon Museum
01:32:39
>> I think that's
01:32:40
>> I have no opinion. The Spoon Museum
01:32:42
seems like one that we would skip over
01:32:44
and just assume it's true. And I think
01:32:45
that's what makes it a good lie.
01:32:47
>> Can I suggest that maybe we make this
01:32:49
worth four points?
01:32:52
>> So either you win or you lose on this
01:32:55
answer.
01:32:55
>> All right. All right. That's fine.
01:32:56
>> Changes my confidence in this question.
01:32:58
>> We're going to just guess anyway.
01:33:00
>> All right. And your guess is
01:33:01
>> Spoon Museum. Spoon.
01:33:02
>> Spoon Museum is correct. Not just David.
01:33:06
was correct again. The spoon museum only
01:33:08
has 5,400 spoons, not the
01:33:11
affforementioned 5600.
01:33:13
>> Wait, so the lie is not that there's a
01:33:14
spoon museum.
01:33:15
>> No, there is a spoon museum in
01:33:16
Patterson. It just doesn't have quite as
01:33:18
many.
01:33:18
>> That's actually right. Oh my god.
01:33:20
>> I thought they said there was a fork
01:33:21
museum.
01:33:22
>> No, earlier in the episode I said I said
01:33:25
watch the technicality is going to be
01:33:26
that it has like 5599.
01:33:29
>> So they they have they say over 5,400.
01:33:32
So not not the over 5600. I said, which
01:33:34
means you guys with your four points
01:33:36
have taken it to seven points, meaning
01:33:39
you guys
01:33:40
>> Hey,
01:33:40
>> beat the hosts.
01:33:42
>> Can you play the Can you play the
01:33:44
extravaganza music?
01:33:45
>> David, I would take us to trivia.
01:33:47
However, I heard because you told me 30
01:33:49
seconds ago that we have
01:33:52
breaking news. Breaking news.
01:33:55
This is WFRM.
01:33:58
We're coming at you with some breaking
01:34:00
news here. Finally, we're not late on a
01:34:03
topic. We talked about Ring earlier and
01:34:05
how uh Ring is going to not use Flock
01:34:08
for its search party feature. It's kind
01:34:10
of not going forward with it. Um now
01:34:14
there is a new report from 404 media
01:34:15
that just dropped uh that has some
01:34:18
leaked emails from the CEO of Ring.
01:34:21
>> Whoops.
01:34:22
>> Where he says, "This is by far the most
01:34:25
innovation that we have ever launched in
01:34:26
the history of Ring. And it is not only
01:34:28
the quality but quantity. I believe that
01:34:31
the foundation we created with Search
01:34:34
Party, first for finding dogs, will end
01:34:36
up becoming one of the most important
01:34:37
pieces of tech and innovation to truly
01:34:40
unlock the impact of our mission. You
01:34:42
can now see a future where we are able
01:34:44
to zero out crime in neighborhoods. So
01:34:47
many things to do when we get there. But
01:34:49
for the first time ever, we have the
01:34:51
chance to fully complete compete
01:34:53
complete what we started.
01:34:55
>> That was the ring CEO, not the Palanteer
01:34:57
CEO.
01:34:57
>> Yeah, it was the ring CEO.
01:34:58
>> Oh, okay. So, you know, they're like
01:35:01
dogs only, dogs only, dogs only,
01:35:03
>> unless
01:35:03
>> unless
01:35:04
>> we we are so lucky, man. Like, ring guy
01:35:07
is going to like make crime zero. Sam
01:35:09
Alman is going to make cancer zero. Elon
01:35:12
is going to make poverty zero. Like,
01:35:14
these guys just are so good.
01:35:15
>> They're so good at making alive.
01:35:17
>> Thanks, boys.
01:35:19
>> You know, sometimes there's a little bit
01:35:22
too much skepticism, but I think that we
01:35:24
have the perfect amount at this moment.
01:35:27
>> Um,
01:35:27
>> well, you know what? You should have
01:35:28
more skepticism about
01:35:29
>> Yep.
01:35:31
>> my trivia questions because so often
01:35:33
they require
01:35:34
>> Oh my god, we haven't trivia yet.
01:35:36
>> No.
01:35:37
>> Mhm.
01:35:37
>> But we're about to do it now.
01:35:39
>> And then we're going to do another game
01:35:40
in the next episode.
01:35:42
>> Surprise.
01:35:45
>> We're playing games, boy. I got games,
01:35:47
boy.
01:35:48
>> Quick update on Marquez with 14.
01:35:51
>> Still.
01:35:52
>> Still.
01:35:52
>> And still.
01:35:53
>> David with 16.
01:35:55
>> Andrew with 17. Carrying the one.
01:35:57
>> Carrying the one.
01:35:58
>> How long have I had 17 for? I don't
01:36:00
think I have a point in the new year.
01:36:02
>> No, you have a point in the new year.
01:36:03
It's just
01:36:04
>> I don't have a point since Marquez
01:36:06
complained about not having a point in
01:36:07
the new year.
01:36:09
>> You think you haven't gotten a point in
01:36:10
like eight episodes?
01:36:12
>> Since whenever Marquez whined about it,
01:36:15
>> he cursed you.
01:36:16
>> He did curse me.
01:36:17
>> It's like you're the Philadelphia 76ers
01:36:20
and Marquez is Jared McCain getting
01:36:22
traded away.
01:36:24
>> Yeah. God bless Jared McCain. Anyway, we
01:36:26
spoke about the Pixel 10A, but the first
01:36:29
A series Pixel was the 3A. Which giant
01:36:31
manufacturer made it?
01:36:36
And I mean like the company that
01:36:39
actually manufactured it, not the one
01:36:41
that designed it, because we all know
01:36:43
Google designed it.
01:36:44
>> Oh,
01:36:45
>> there's your hint, Andrew.
01:36:49
>> BBK,
01:36:52
>> the great
01:36:52
>> Who's that?
01:36:53
>> Blues musician. I didn't think they I
01:36:55
didn't think they existed anymore.
01:36:58
>> Flip them and read. What do you got?
01:37:02
>> What' you say?
01:37:03
>> I hope I'm right.
01:37:04
>> Uh, I said HTC.
01:37:06
>> David, what' you say?
01:37:07
>> I said HTC.
01:37:08
>> It's right.
01:37:11
>> Wrong. Andrew, what' you say?
01:37:12
>> LG.
01:37:13
>> Also wrong. It was Foxcon.
01:37:17
>> Really?
01:37:18
>> Yeah. You guys looking it up before
01:37:19
confused you.
01:37:20
>> Well, that's a bummer.
01:37:21
>> I definitely thought you guys were going
01:37:22
to get that one. I was trying to throw
01:37:25
you a bone. Now you're stuck with
01:37:26
>> Foxcon. You thought Foxcon was throwing
01:37:28
us a bone.
01:37:29
>> They make most of the phones in the
01:37:31
world.
01:37:31
>> Yeah, they made every phone actually. I
01:37:34
thought they Okay. Well,
01:37:37
>> question number two, guys. Ring was not
01:37:41
always called Ring. Before they were
01:37:44
Ring, they were called
01:37:46
>> A. Doorbot,
01:37:50
B. Ham bell
01:37:53
C. Stoop watcher. Also, I should have
01:37:56
said stoop watcher does not have an E.
01:37:58
It's just Stoop Watcher
01:37:59
>> with an R.
01:38:00
>> Yeah, because this is like a real
01:38:01
>> Oh, that does sound really un
01:38:04
>> Yeah.
01:38:04
>> I mean, it depends where they were
01:38:05
headquartered.
01:38:07
>> Sesame Street.
01:38:11
>> Is that a real place?
01:38:12
>> Sesame Street.
01:38:13
>> Yeah.
01:38:13
>> Yeah. It's in Atlantic City with the
01:38:14
rest of the Monopoly properties.
01:38:17
Right next to the gumdrop floor. It's
01:38:19
right into the gumdrop for
01:38:21
>> it's in New York City.
01:38:27
>> You're at Taco Bell.
01:38:28
>> Just read
01:38:29
>> Campbell.
01:38:30
>> Who? Okay. What? What?
01:38:32
>> We all put something different.
01:38:33
>> No, Marcus and I put the same thing.
01:38:34
>> Yeah. Andrew and I put B. Campbell.
01:38:36
>> Campbell. Like the soup.
01:38:38
>> Yeah.
01:38:39
>> I wanted that to be right so bad.
01:38:42
>> I put C stoop watcher.
01:38:44
>> No, it was called doorbot.
01:38:46
>> My god,
01:38:47
>> you guys are on one. Dorba is a what?
01:38:50
Doorbot.
01:38:50
>> It's a horrible name.
01:38:52
>> This makes it easy for me cuz I don't
01:38:54
have to update the sword graphic. So,
01:38:55
>> it's the same graphic for like 6 weeks.
01:38:58
>> We thought it was called Camell.
01:39:00
>> Instant. That was
01:39:01
>> instant cease and desist.
01:39:03
>> You guys are getting good at when we ask
01:39:04
questions to like
01:39:06
>> answer the questions on the fake things
01:39:08
really believably.
01:39:10
>> Honestly, when Ellis said with an R, I
01:39:12
should have known it wasn't that one.
01:39:13
Well, we tried. Um, doorbot. I think
01:39:16
like most of this podcast was just Adam
01:39:18
and I not telling the truth
01:39:20
>> like
01:39:21
>> and us like floundering and Yeah, it's
01:39:24
but
01:39:25
>> yeah,
01:39:25
>> what makes it a bot?
01:39:26
>> I don't know. It just seems like a cool
01:39:28
thing to say.
01:39:31
>> But yeah, thanks for uh subscribing.
01:39:33
Thanks for hyping if you are still
01:39:36
hyping or able to. We appreciate that.
01:39:38
Uh thanks for liking and thanks for uh
01:39:40
rating us on whatever podcast app you
01:39:42
choose. We'll be back with you next week
01:39:44
in uh that'll be what? Samsung event
01:39:47
first. Yeah. See you see you soon after
01:39:50
the Samsung event and then the other
01:39:51
event and then the other event after
01:39:52
that where nothing new will be
01:39:53
announced.
01:39:54
>> No, something from nothing will be new
01:39:56
and
01:39:57
>> that's next next week.
01:39:58
>> Okay. So nothing new will be announced
01:40:01
from anyone.
01:40:03
>> New nothing is in two weeks. Nothing new
01:40:04
is next week.
01:40:06
>> Amazing. Thank you so much.
01:40:07
>> Yeah. Perfect.
01:40:08
>> Wait for produced by Adam and Elsen.
01:40:11
Why did that sound so weird?
01:40:12
>> Great sweetie.
01:40:12
>> Waveform is produced by Adam Molina and
01:40:14
Ellis and partnered with Vox Media
01:40:16
Podcast Network and Entra Music was
01:40:17
created by Vain Still.
01:40:18
>> Bingo.
01:40:32
This is all pure speculation. I'm not
01:40:35
holding any of them in my pockets right
01:40:37
now. By the way, these are facts. Are
01:40:38
you
01:40:39
>> These are facts.
01:40:40
So,
