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thank you [Music] all right what is up people of the internet welcome to 2023 the season premiere this is uh this is another
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episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts I'm Marquez I'm Andrew and I'm David and today's episode Let's see we have a couple fun little bits of tech
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news to start the year we have not one but two pro display xdr competitors recently that we'll talk about uh pixel
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7 is randomly exploding also some new G2 information we're trying to figure out what that means for the future of
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Android and iPhone wireless charging and also we'll wrap it up by bringing CES to
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us it's a banger to start the year um bangers only yeah dot net of course bangers only.net of course podcast right now but the first thing you have here uh is air tags
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luggage and I'm gonna let you explain because I haven't seen this story it was really quick um but I just thought it was funny it
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pretty much do you know how like two weeks ago we had this crazy weather in the US and we had had tons like we had
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flights canceled to the point where I think Southwest was like losing their employees like they didn't even know where they were
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um anyways lots of delayed and canceled flights lots of lost luggage and surprisingly a ton of tweets and stories
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I saw about people finding their luggage only because of their air tags when the one instance was somebody at the airport
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them saying Oh your baggage is somewhere else and then like walking up to a door and saying like no this it says it's
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right behind here and then them opening the door and finding a bunch of luggage for people waiting so I've put air tags
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in our tripod bags because that's the only thing that we check under the plane when we travel I swear to you it's the number one first place you should put an
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air tag is in your luggage that goes into the plane because you are separated from your belongings and you just have
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to trust whatever they say about where your belongings are yeah and they're usually wrong yeah that's been so so
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helpful for us it's actually been helpful with one of our trips already yeah I think like it's what are they 29
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or something yeah something like that yeah get a pack of them it seems super worth it especially if you're traveling
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often or traveling with expensive stuff one of these other stories that kind of blew up was a woman who put it in her
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luggage they said it was with a distribution service she saw it in the like dumpster of uh like next to the
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dumpsters of this apartment complex because apparently United used some third-party delivery system to like
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deliver the bags but they delivered it to the wrong place outside an apartment complex and claimed it was delivered and
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then only because she could say it's not delivered I see where it is did they get that back and get it to her eventually
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and um so not only are air tags helping you if you lose it but maybe Airlines will
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realize they can't lie quite as bad or they just won't care and their Airlines and yeah there are some viral videos on
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YouTube already of people tracking packages with air tags they'll like ship something oh really and then the package
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will do this weird route and they'll call and ask what happened and DHL will give them an explanation that is
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absolutely not what happening with their package and yeah I just find that hilarious yeah I think air tags are good
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if you haven't got one for a holiday gift it's probably a good thing to grab if you're gonna travel great stocking stuffers for that's a really good point
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12 years from now 12 months from now yeah yeah yeah get on it now because I know you're gonna forget in December and
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not order it on time get your Christmas shopping in early in January 2023 yeah all right we've got these Pro display
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xdr uh competitors I guess I'll call them that I want to talk about yeah uh should we start with the Samsung or the
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Dell let's do the Samsung because it's kind of remember a while ago they released the was it the me which was
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like the studio display competitor the smaller one so now they stepped up and they're doing like the 32-inch Pro
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display I don't actually I don't know if it says 32 inch but the like 5K webcam included it's called the Samsung
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viewfinity S9 great and I'm assuming a lot of these announcements are coming off just because it's around CES so
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they're just like here here's some new stuff we came out with so this is a a new monitor it's a 5k 27 inch monitor
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it's got actually that might be wrong is and I think you're looking at the 27 inch for the M8 I don't there's not a lot of
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information on this because it's getting released at CES this week I just see 5K
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um with a 4k camera can be used through Thunder port and supports USBC for data transfer and viewing and everything so it's it's 5K Thunderbolt webcam included like that's the main kind of things for
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it yeah also I agree with you viewfinity S9 maybe not best name but in the scale
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of monitor names that's true it probably has seared just because of how bad all a 16 27 89q wfp I will take viewfinity
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s900 times which we I guess we should probably just have an explainer video as to what those things mean I generally
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did that generally they do have a format for like this is the Year this is the screen size this is whether or not it
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has anti-glare that's how I always remembered what model of Dell Ultra short monitor I had because they had a very explicit system it was like the wfp
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which is wide format panel and then like three seven zero zero and like that would be the screen size and then the resolution it would all just be coded in the model number yeah which like that should be the model number right the
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name totally but branding can be a thing you don't have to just use model numbers for everything the Samsung actually
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looks just as good as a pro display or a studio display it does have a pop-up camera on the top which is like if
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you're gonna add a camera this is about as good as you can do that because guess what the camera sitting on top of my produce but it looks worse than this
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yeah this looks great so this looks good to me is it a 1080p camera it says hmm 4K slim fit camera 4K sure wow yeah
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interesting I think good it also has a little like IR sensor on the bottom because Samsung seems to do with all of
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their monitor their bigger monitors lately that they're all it has all Samsung Smart TV capabilities yeah cool
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kind of cool this stuff Apple's display does not do yeah so that's the Samsung that's classic Samsung I I do appreciate
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that and that is something I think I will actually really like to see uh should we swap to the Dell then we can
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we should actually get this though because we never got the M8 the smaller one to actually try we should really try
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this one I I think this looks really cool monitor is good or the webcam is good because the webcam
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the produce mate doesn't have a webcam and the studio display has an okay webcam yeah like a very okay after many
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software updates yeah it took a lot yeah to be okay yeah okay so then Dell has one dell has a new 32 inch 6K Ultra
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sharp monitor it is uh HDR 600 certified so this isn't like Pro display xdr type
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HDR but as far as the rest of the things the panel will do it has a webcam built in it has dual 14 watt speakers it has
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most canceling mics it will charge a laptop up to up to 140 Watts if you're plugged into it three USBC ports two USB
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a ports HDMI ethernet Mini DisplayPort um and two of the ports actually Face Forward they'll probably pop up that's kind of cool that's like a solid amount of things that Apple's display doesn't
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do but then you look at it which like a monitor is something you have to look at let's be honest like you want your if
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you want your desk and your setup to look nice you have to look at your monitor yeah and I think this is I don't
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know maybe you disagree with me I think this is much uglier I mean yeah apple one this is Dell which means these are
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probably going to be used in when I worked at Intel we had all Dell monitors right and if you like if you're working
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in Industry like you probably don't really care what the monitor looks like this is clearly made for video conferencing because that like webcam at
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the top is like really really prevalent and it probably has really good mics and everything so it's probably made for
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like business use cases I should also note that the Dell 4K webcam that came out either last year or the year before that was like the best webcam on the market for a very long time and it's
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still considered one of the best webcams on the market and the opal C1 was kind of the webcam that was
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kind of fighting against it that webcam is 200 on its own so if you buy a monitor that has
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hopefully a similar styled webcam or a similar quality webcam than like you can theoretically take 200 off of that theoretical price but again I I think that this is mostly going to be for
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industry yeah right this so the the big difference is who it's for like the pro display is a an Imaging Focus display
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you're you're getting it because you're concerned about color you're going to be image editing video editing like we do
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uh and that's the primary focus of getting this you get a bunch of these they all match everyone can see the same
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media looking the same way uh this one's not for that but if you do want a bunch of pixels and a bunch of surface area
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and a webcam built in and high wattage charging for a machine like that's what this is for is I don't think there's a
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price yet I I don't see the 20 23 launch but I don't see a price if I'm guessing
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it's gonna cost less than Apples I gotta say there's no way this is not used outside of business because the specs
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are like 140 watt charging for laptops when when you work at a large corporation everyone uses a laptop and
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just docks into a display it's got a security lock slot I mean you're not going to use that at home Kenzie like
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yeah this is definitely going to be for for large corporations that's definitely anyone else is using but that's true
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they're not slotting Pro displays no fair uh okay no but I think I I prefer the Samsung I really like the vfinity S9 despite its terrible name it's got a big bezel on the bottom but not as big as
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the bells Dell's top bezels like I hear people say that's a big bezel but I look at it and it's black and it kind of
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Fades away for me like it is bigger because it's bigger than the other ones but I don't mind it yeah it's not bad yeah I guess we should talk about pixels
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exploding I think I saw an article headline yeah there's not too too much to it I kind of
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just want to like throw it out there because it seems to be like a decent I want to say a decent handful of people
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on Reddit and Twitter have should had this problem not enough to where I like I think everyone should be worried about
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their pixel but like I feel like it needs to get out there enough because it doesn't seem like Google's doing anything about fixing this right now but
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people are posting pictures of their pixel 7s and seven Pros I believe of just these the like an exact circle cut
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out around the camera lens just imploding essentially and cracking and missing the glass
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um they're not exactly sure what's happening it seems pretty random some people are assuming it's weather change
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but like despite it being cold in the US I don't think there's any outside weather that should cause enough of a
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change to where a phone shatters from it yeah that seems kind of crazy yeah um also in that exact circular it is like perfectly around the camera I kind of
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just wanted to talk about it really quick because it seems it I I understand that it's hard for a company to say like
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oh here's a broken piece of a phone is this user error or is this something we messed up but this flaw seems so obvious
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and so perfectly like the user error of shattering A Perfect Circle out of a screen like that should be obvious
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enough to where it's like this is our flaw we should know about it we should fix this yeah you're looking at even
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more pictures and it's just circles around the lenses that's crazy yeah I mean my first inclination was
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like is it a pressure change thing in the in the glass because that's like a there's a very small amount of glass
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that covers the sensors um now that they have that metal camera bar so it's either that the glass is more fragile because it's smaller or like
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less of it I mean temperature change can do stuff like that we had that um cabinet in the office years ago
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I don't know have we told that story I think we have probably we long story short we had a tempered glass uh cover
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on top of a cabinet and it was sitting in the sun in the corner of the studio and we left to go do something in a
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different room and came back and it was completely shattered wow and I like what happened that's kind of weird it was
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just sitting here and nothing happened and we walked back to the the security footage of the studio while we were gone
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and it's just a it's just video footage of the empty studio and you just hear it shatter
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oh nothing happens it was simultaneously in the Sun and under an HVAC unit I think
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it's like if you go to the like uh subreddit for like battle stations on Reddit you'll see people that are just
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like well I went to work and I came home and their entire computer desk is just in pieces because I used one of those
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tempered glass desks right and their computer is just everywhere and the monitor is broken and yeah if you're in
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if your desk is just a tempered glass it'll just shatter right through this one was just like a cover on top of wood
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so it was like the glass shattered but then it was just sitting on top of the wood oh it was really eerie anyway
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um yeah so this kind of reminds me of other Gates that we see in phones where it first starts in very small numbers and you kind of have to obviously everyone who's seen this problem will do
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their due diligence and find everyone else who had this problem and the question will be is this issue common
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enough that Google should do something about it now anyone who has the issue would say yes of course Google should but think about like when uh when the
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Galaxy fold screen broke and it was like oh there's two of us oh there's three of us well that's three out of the nine phones they gave out right that's a huge
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percentage they figured it out it was a problem but then it would be like some random tiny manufacturing glitch with an
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iPhone or something someone has a problem with a phone and it turns out there's a few of them but it's not
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really that common it's not a reason to not buy the phone it's probably not going to happen to you if you get yours
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no problem but Apple should still remedy it with like some sort of warranty help uh I don't know where this is for the
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pixel I've never seen this issue it hasn't happened to mine obviously but is one of those things you'll keep an eye
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on we'll see how many people come together remember when Samsung's phones started exploding when the note it was like all right
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I understand that only a few of them exploded but it exploded yeah so that's kind of like a little heavier on the uh
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on the priority list and then the airlines banned them and yeah it only takes like three of them exploding on a
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plane for them to be like yeah no this is this is gonna keep happening so this is not a threat to safety but it does
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like people are posting their support tickets saying this is not included as part of the warranty where I feel like
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that maybe should change it's yeah I don't think you should not buy a pixel for this I don't think you should be worried that much about this but it does
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seem like it's pretty obviously not user error and a flaw in the device yeah we'll see if they find a way to well
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first of all find out what's happening and then find a way to fix it yeah all right well before we go into ad break as
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you know it is 2023 which means it is time for the beginning of our next season of trivia there it is yeah baby
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all right so as we kick off season three not a whole lot has changed uh we're gonna actually keep track of these games
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played now yeah why did we call last season season two I realized because we did it because Andrew and I decided to no we wrapped up like a season at one
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point before that was I here yeah we started changing things slightly when you came so we were like let's just call
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it the end of season oh right yeah yeah I think the start of the whiteboards was the Whiteboard oh that's right so
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whiteboards are season two yeah and now we're just going by year sure just so you know the lore of trivia yeah season
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three I had to change it to match up with the Year we're in kind of like how this is oh 2023 Samsung did that yeah so
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so this is season 23. is what you're saying sure sure yeah sure yeah I also want to note that I'm very happy that I get to start at zero with the rest of that start start yeah
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wow all right so to kick off season three I've got a banger here for everyone bangers only .net you're gonna sell that by the end of the
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year I did pin it so he can dump it I did see a large traffic Spike over the weekend I want to say that man nice yeah
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I know her eyes on it though anyway continue which of the following is not a flavor
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of G fuel oh what I'm going to read you four real flavors of g-fuel and one fake
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flavor of g-fuel and you can tell me which one is which number one spicy demon Aid
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I hope it's spicy demonet number two click bait click bait flavor oh I mean I don't know
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anything number three Blaze potion number four battle juice and number five the juice fun wow V juice I've never drank G feel in
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my life I've tried it it's terrible no one should ever drink it Max wine is actually like to have a word with you
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that's disgusting there are a million other energy drinks to destroy your body without those uh I don't know if this
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makes difference these are all tubs I don't even know what that means but someone on Reddit was like really clear
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like these flavors are only tubs you won't find them in I think it's because they started making cans that they said
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they saw Walmart and stuff yeah fizzy that's not a question I was excited fizzy click bait if that's the real one you know I
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k-l-a-v-i-y-o.com all right welcome back we need to talk about wireless charging
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because I'm a little bit confused actually by this new headline and we'll get into this but the head headline and
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it's actually just a press release is new G2 standard for wireless devices ensures enhanced consumer convenience and efficiency now I've read this press
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release and my understanding of it is Apple has worked with cons this Consortium on a new wireless charging standard we have Qi Chargers now we'll have G2 and the benefit of this new G2
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is it integrates magnets like magsafe and so now any device that uses G2 will have a magsafe like experience with wireless charging and that sounds very
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straightforward but the reason that confuses me is why would Apple want to just give people magsafe I thought that
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was kind of their thing so let's jump into it yeah uh I we can kind of go through some of the more interesting
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paragraphs in the press release but um I don't know you want to break it down I we should probably just start with like
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what she too is yeah which to my understanding correct me if I'm wrong is Chi again but with magnets this time correct that's kind of it so my understanding that is what it is as well
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so I like the magnet part because that helps you basically the benefit of that is it's going to help you align things
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on your charger quickly so how often do you put your phone down on the wireless charger at night you wake up it's slid by two millimeters and your phone woke
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up with 12 battery because it didn't charge right so you slap it on the magnet um perfectly on the magnets because of
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G2 you wake up with 100 because it's efficient it charges as smoothly as possible it didn't fall off the charger it was all great uh some magnets sound great to me yeah uh and I've never had
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my iPhone fall off a magsafe charger so good looks yeah that sounds so like nitpicky but I feel like there's not a
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lot of people who went to magsafe and has have gotten off magsafe already I got the m4's case for my pixel 6 and
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started using magsafe accessories and loved it I don't have the case for my pixel 7 yet and that happens to me all
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the time and I am dying to not have like m-force m-force's moments magsafe like case so I can have magsafe on my pixel so if you have an iPhone you can slap it on any magsafe charger and it will align
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and snap in place if you have any other phone that doesn't have that array of magnets in the phone it won't stick but
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what you can do is get a case that has that ring of magnets to align that charger so that it will still Wireless
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charge your phone and snap in place there are very few of them moments one of them yeah and they're they don't make
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it for that many models but like I just wanted to say that it sounds minuscule but going from something with the
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capabilities of it to then not having it I appreciate it I'm really sad I don't have it anymore yeah yeah so the magnets
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help a lot it's underrated sure so the question is what does Apple get out of helping to make it available for everyone yeah I don't really know yeah I
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think that there are a lot of people that are speculating on what is happening here because in the official press release it says that apple is
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contributing the foundations of its magsafe technology um which to I that seems super fake uh contributing patented licensed
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technology so the thing about magsafe is that it's not just the magnet ring it also has a microprocessor that says it
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does a handshake with your device and says this is a legit magsafe accessory and that can enable other things like
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the magsafe wallet uh if you have it on the back of your phone the new one yeah the old one didn't have this the new one
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if you like if you take the wallet off your phone will add a little tag like this is exactly where the wallet was
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last seen so if you lose it like it doesn't have an air tag capability but you know the location of where you last
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saw your wallet right yeah so magsafe is a little bit better than just magnets and she did right and magsafe
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specifically will charge your like iPhone at 15 watts because it knows it's perfectly aligned it's the most
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efficient whereas if you wirelessly charge your iPhone usually it only charges at like 7.5 Watts yeah and I
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think a lot of a lot of that Beyond you know Apple wanting to sell more mag safe accessories is that just like the
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wireless power Consortium set in this press release if you have the device perfectly aligned with the magnetic
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charging coil it's going to be much more efficient and charge faster the fastest
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available yeah yeah yeah um and so there's like a lot of people speculating right now as to like why Apple would possibly contribute to this one thing I was thinking about is I went
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and did a briefing and had dinner with the connectivity standards Alliance and an interesting thing to me about that
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Alliance is that these are not people that like this organization is sort of like a bunch of people from a bunch of
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different companies and it is 2 to a company like apple or Google's benefit to have people on the CSA board because
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if you get to help contribute to a standard you have influence over how you want that standard to work right so my assumption is that Apple saw that they
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made mag safe and they're like oh yeah we got magsafe we're going to make a ton of money at magsafe and maybe this will be the foundation of all iPhone charging
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in the future possibly but no report yeah exactly but if they're able to sort of like take Chi which is this standard that everyone's been using for like a decade now and they're able to like
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build the next version of Qi under their kind of like foundational technology that they already produce it's easier for them to
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manipulate the spec in the future and then also like you know all of their devices already kind of work with this
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one really interesting note though uh that this article from The Verge that talks about G2 was stating is that the
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magnetic power profile which is The Branding for magsay the open source mag say for the open standard magsafe uh does not have the exact same magnetic
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um array as magsafe and they asked the guy that wrote The Business Wire article which was the press release about this like what's going to happen to the iPhone 12 13 and 14 like will it not
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work with G Chargers and he said apple is not disclosed that information yeah okay so that's kind of confusing to me
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and I wonder if like I wonder if Apple basically just contributed like the I I wonder if they had some sort of patent around a magnetic array with a
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microprocessor yeah and then they were basically just like okay standards body you can add a
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microprocessor to your magnetic array but magsafe is still going to be different and he says like it he assumes
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that the iPhone and Samsung phones and like all these Android phones will work with G2 in the future but there's no like it's really vague everything about this press release is very vague which
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is fair because it's it's actually not even coming out to the holiday season I think that they just wanted to release
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something at CES um yeah but my assumption would be that Apple like wants to get ahead of
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they want to sort of control the standard a little bit because it is to their benefit to be one of the bodies
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that actually contributes most of the technology yeah both from a PR perspective and from how can we like
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create devices to tailored to us in the future perspective that would be my assumption
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um yeah I I my if I'm just like putting together pieces of what I think I know about cheat charging and what I seem to have observed over the time we've used iPhones about Apple is like we kind of
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see this trajectory towards them moving towards wireless charging for the default for the standard maybe getting
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rid of the port right so they make a lot of money on iPhones lightning accessories
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that doesn't exactly exist right now with magsafe I guess you can say they're still made for iPhone through making magsafe accessories but if you're still able to like if moment keeps doing what
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they're doing with a magnet Apple doesn't make money from that necessarily because it's not made for iPhone so if
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they can contribute to this G2 standard which has some of the parts of magsafe which is the magnet which is great it's an improvement but then they can say on top of that they do this extra thing
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where if you want to make it made for iPhone we have the chip inside and we have the things that like talk to the iPhone uh then they can say that anyone
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who wants to make a made for iPhone accessory magsafe we'll make money from that and
00:27:51
then people who want to get special highlighting in our store or want to sell a lot of things should probably
00:27:56
include that if they want to make an iPhone accessory uh and then Android will just have magnets and we'll say we
00:28:01
contributed to that which is cool and they'll say they also probably contributed to less waste yeah Energy
00:28:07
Efficiency Etc it's a good look for Apple that is something they noted they were like in
00:28:13
the Business Wire article they were like this will reduce waste from cables and it's like well we're also going to have more
00:28:20
Wireless cables sitting around and like I feel like the magsafe like brick that you have to plug the puck that you have
00:28:27
to plug into a port anyway yeah wired yeah I I guess it's just that they're saying which is and you told me this before we were talking about this earlier my first thought on this is like oh they're
00:28:39
allowing all of this to happen is this their kind of step towards the like they're getting trouble in the EU right
00:28:45
now because they don't have a common charging port it might be too late already because I think you mentioned that the that EU law says it needs to be USBC
00:28:56
maybe this is something in the future getting ahead of that so they don't wind up creating magsafe and then the rest of
00:29:02
it goes portless and then they have to create something else um I don't really know there I also think on top of what both of you said
00:29:09
was like they're getting ahead of the game is ultimately these are just magnets in the back of a phone I don't
00:29:15
think they can really protect that for so long we've we're seeing cases do it already uh I don't know
00:29:21
so I'd say that's if there's a difference between in the case and in the phone and I think the
00:29:27
the thing that is that makes magsafe so good is there's a magnetic array alongside the coils in the back of the phone and there's a magnetic array that matches with opposite polarization in
00:29:38
the charger so they just they just connect really easily and if you have those magnets in just the phone and not
00:29:46
the charger it works okay but if you have the magnets not in the phone like if you try to put a pixel on a magazine
00:29:52
it doesn't stick it just like works like a normal wireless charger but it might slide just like any other wireless charger I don't know copyright law I
00:30:00
just can't imagine getting magnets in a phone could be that hard to get around what
00:30:05
I think I would probably be surprised I still don't think it would be that wild yeah I guess it's magnets you could do so these the way I S we put the magnet
00:30:16
paper up to the back of the phone you can see like the charging coils and then you see what Apple did which is like there's a circle with magnets and there's also a vertical line so that you
00:30:24
can Orient it in that direction so it lines up on the coils and then snaps in that vertical orientation
00:30:30
their patent is probably on aligning orientation so it's not just specific about the shape I bet we could find this
00:30:37
pattern but it's basically just about like oh yeah we use magnets to make sure it aligns with the back of the phone and that's it we do that no one else does
00:30:43
that and that's frustrating on Apple's thing so that apple is in charge of doing that in phones I think they have the microprocessor as part of the patent too because if you look at
00:30:54
um here's and we can show this on the podcast but this is basically the manufacturer sample part that you have
00:31:03
to use if you use magsafe and it's the ring but then it's also got like the microprocessor in here and so I think
00:31:11
that is also part of the patent I don't think that a microprocessor is put is specifically part of the cheat 2
00:31:18
standard though right just the magnets I think that processor is going to be the differential the to differentiate Magazine with the mag
00:31:30
safe the Apple mag safe and the wireless standard right G2 standard it is also confusing that the magsafe and the G2 standards have slightly different magnetic arrays though I just like yeah
00:31:41
I don't know this is all so vague I'm also confused about like I feel like they use the term array because array
00:31:47
doesn't necessarily mean just size it could be how all the magnets are placed and the strength of all the magnets and
00:31:53
everything so like maybe if Apple has some sort of patent on a specific array which to them is the perfect amount of resistance but also sticking capability where a different array might
00:32:06
connect a little harder which then is more annoying to take off the off and stuff or not enough so that it's more annoying to attach to a car mount
00:32:13
or something like that array feels so vague and like you said this is getting announced end of the year I think
00:32:18
they're it's just the easiest way to pretty much say nothing yeah I also want to say I emailed the wireless power
00:32:23
Consortium because this article came out uh or the yeah the Business Wire press release came out yesterday morning or
00:32:30
yesterday afternoon and this is also confusing and vague I emailed them to sort of tried to
00:32:36
understand like what is Apple contributing exactly and how does this change for other devices that are not
00:32:42
phones and they said that uh the specification focuses on the charging characteristics the size of the magnet is a design issue and design issues are left to members to determine as they see
00:32:54
fit which makes me think like could you have Chi two earbuds that use a tiny circular magnet but then if that was the case you would need a different G2 charger
00:33:08
um so I think all that G2 is really adding is saying it does wireless charging and
00:33:13
it has a magnet inside you can use like you as a manufacturer if you're a G2 member can use whatever size magnet you want for your product because obviously if
00:33:25
it's wireless earbuds those are going to be way smaller like the airpods that now have wireless the wireless magnet use
00:33:33
the Apple watch charger Apple watch magnet charger yeah because obviously the whole size magsafe charger doesn't
00:33:40
fit on it so I think all the spec of G2 is saying is that it has a magnet in it for better for better alignment and then
00:33:48
you know less power loss better efficient heat loss so yeah quite confusing um it's I'm putting I'm doing air quotes for audio listeners it solves I think the biggest problem with Qi wireless
00:34:00
charging which is that it's not easy to align everything on the first try and make sure everything's charging perfectly efficiently put magnets in it
00:34:07
yeah great and I will say like it would be really dope to see um Android phones I want it so bad so bad I want my next
00:34:14
pixel phone to have this already in it G2 all the things yeah dude also apples for sure looking forward at a world of
00:34:20
no wired Chargers and they're like how do we own this yeah there's definitely some something in the
00:34:27
backgrounds that they're doing this is not for Pure contribute for fun no there's there's
00:34:35
obvious and like what what they told like I've heard this so many times from people that are on these like Alliance
00:34:41
committees it's like the companies that come contribute to the alliances do it for a reason oh yeah they do it because
00:34:48
they want influence you're not a trillion dollar company yeah without knowing every single thing that you're
00:34:53
doing yeah for sure yeah yeah but if I get magnets in my phone I won't be a happy camper yeah I'll shake Tim's hand
00:34:59
thank you Tim I found the patent for original Maxi if it's different oh like in well and laptops magsafe laptop oh oh that uh yeah also
00:35:10
interestingly this Verge article says that it caps out at 15 watts but I don't think that's true because the CH I'm on
00:35:17
the chi Wikipedia page right now and Chi 1.2.3 which was released in 2017 added class 0 which allows for 30 watt Max from the charger um so could G2 potentially be changing
00:35:31
standards I doubt she too would move back to 15 watts because that seems lame and also it's been five six years yeah bigger batteries charge faster please yeah
00:35:45
um but the guy from the standards Alliance did say that they will significantly they will add significantly higher power profiles in the next version of G2
00:35:56
the next version of G2 yeah I know G3 I know G 2.1 why why G2 and we could do chief five G2 Mark II yeah it's just funny because they had she won and then
00:36:08
they had Chi 1.1 1.2 1.2.3 1.2.4 and then 1.3 but then they went they did an entire leap to change to G2 and all they are adding is magnets it makes sense if you
00:36:21
don't think about it true that's right 1.3 I'm trying to look at what was 1.3 1.3 added it was released to last uh 2021 which is not last year
00:36:32
anymore uh completely restructured specification documents with 15 thematic books describing different aspects of
00:36:39
the system what they added fun books for kids support for authentication of Qi certified wireless chargers oh they added a microprocessor uh-oh uh oh apples all over them you
00:36:53
know what they're doing now baby wow um improved foreign object detection which is basically like if you have a
00:36:59
type of metal that could potentially heat up due to wireless radiation restrictions on the negotiable power
00:37:05
levels um oh oh maybe oh yeah because 1.2.3 added class 0 which allows consumers to negotiate or allow the consumer to negotiate up to 30 Watts from the charger and then 1.3
00:37:20
restricted the negotiable power levels but just doesn't say to how much so 2.1 will be 30 watt sheet 2.
00:37:31
that's a lot of mark my words that's a lot of different 2.2 will restrict that 30 Watts G2 Electric Boogaloo
00:37:39
there we go I think Adam wants to do trivia yeah uh well this is yet another thing to
00:37:46
keep an eye on it's like one of those okay we'll find out in 12 months what that actually means but she too I was
00:37:51
gonna say if you guys zoned out for that I don't blame you but also in 12 months this will be interesting this will be
00:37:57
all the headlines now are like apple gives us magsafe question mark yeah and it's like we don't know the answer and
00:38:02
apple gets a lot of that nice pat on the back for 11 and a half months till we figure out what the real answer is until everyone forgets I get a magnet that's
00:38:09
all we want we want the magnet we want the magnets all right let's do trivia all right first of all I want that on a
00:38:18
t-shirt we want the magnets I just want to say David and I just said that like at the same exact same time I didn't
00:38:23
make that a sound bite anyway Apple Air tags were released April 30th 2021 now I
00:38:30
didn't know if you guys knew this because I didn't but there's a limit as to how many air tags you can attach to
00:38:35
your Apple ID what is that number I think I know this for some reason it was recently
00:38:42
increased right oh I wasn't aware okay that's like how Justine figured this out wait you hit the limit so she that was your answer the old limit or the new limit I will find out we'll find after
00:38:53
the break foreign welcome back um it's the beginning of the new year which means CES which usually means
00:39:06
we're going but we're not this is the first kind of the first CES you've missed in a long time I was just
00:39:12
thinking about how many have gone to and then the strike breaking the streak breaking in 2020 uh 2021 and then uh but
00:39:21
yeah I've gone since like 2012 and this I'm I'm fully not going to CES this year yeah and what makes this harder about on
00:39:28
waveform is the show starts Thursday which we release on Fridays so that's also very hard so we pulled a couple strings and we actually brought a little CES to us yeah Shen from HTC Vive uh
00:39:42
stopped by on your way to CES to show us a little something welcome um I'm really happy to finally be on this show yeah I think we've been talking about this for a while we have we've we've seen sneak peeks you've like
00:39:54
flashed it in the studio a few times this is something we've spent a lot of time on uh now you're gonna show it off
00:40:00
at CES entirety what is it what's it called what should we know about it what are you going to tell people it's CES
00:40:07
so um I'll give a little bit of a background to it so we've been working on VR headsets for
00:40:13
89 years now but that's very popular yeah and you know the mobile space is also growing a lot so we've we released two really big mobile VR devices last year
00:40:25
so one was VI Focus 3 which is our Enterprise headset we kind of built our best of the best technology in there so that's things like software tracking
00:40:37
um Optics displays all of those things and we also um came out with another device called VI flow and it was like the first immersive glasses
00:40:49
um and that's the kind of the form factor that we wanted to reach when it came to Consumers so for the past two
00:40:55
years we've kind of been working on this alternative which we thought was ready for consumers um so it kind of has the best of both worlds so it has
00:41:06
um the tech that we built for the past few years and also all the learnings we have from building like these really
00:41:12
elegant smaller headsets um so I have like a pre-production one with me um this is where it would really help if you're listening to audio version if you just flip over to the video version on
00:41:24
YouTube you can see what we're looking at and talking about but okay this is it yeah so this is vivexr Elite okay so
00:41:33
this is what we're announcing at CS so I guess by the time people hear this it's already announced probably yeah
00:41:39
um and this is kind of the amalgamation of a lot of work that we've done for a very long time so
00:41:45
um you know we've have so much research into things like ergonomics and there's there's so much Tech in here
00:41:52
like I can kind of go through it one by one so one you'll see like it's really small yeah
00:41:58
um it's also really light um so it's at around 625 grams so it's lighter than a lot of headsets that are
00:42:04
out there already um can you real quick hold up the carrying case for it because when you
00:42:10
first showed this to us coming in today that's the carrying case for the flow correct or very similar yeah this is the
00:42:16
current case for flow and it's kind of like a it's what I'm using to carry this with me oh okay
00:42:21
um so one really cool thing is we kind of built on top of the flow in that this can also become a glasses form factor
00:42:28
okay so the back is kind of um a battery yeah um and you can fit these Temple pads um on and they turn into this glasses form
00:42:40
factor interesting so now there's no battery you have to plug in yeah so this is really cool in a form factor if for
00:42:47
example if you're on a plane or if you're sitting on your couch you want a more passive experience you don't have somebody on the back of your head like
00:42:53
you know causing discomfort or pushing your head forward or disabling you to like lay back onto a pillow or something
00:43:00
because if you want to lay onto a pillow you'd rather it's kind of something I feel like with headphones a lot of the times too if you like lean on your side
00:43:06
on the plane it's annoying because it's there so yeah rather than giant battery on your back now you have nothing on the
00:43:12
back of your head yeah exactly so um so we built this this is very similar to flow in that it can also fold up and
00:43:20
it ends up being this size that's incredibly portable so I've been using the flow case and we'll have a case for
00:43:25
this as well okay it'll be a little bit bigger um so it fits better but it actually it still fits and this is what I use to
00:43:31
carry around with me all the time okay um and coming from you know we've we've had a lot of headsets and headsets generally take up the entire space of your backpack whereas this one like is
00:43:44
basically the size of a water bottle yeah like a good Hydro Flask yeah yeah right style of Hydro Flask yeah that so
00:43:51
that's one of the things that I remember when we first got to look at the Oculus Quest Pro The Meta Quest Pro I should
00:43:58
call it which was it had no ability to fold at all so it was large and it had the battery on the back like this one and it was you know comfortable to wear and the weight distribution was better
00:44:08
but then if I wanted to bring it anywhere that would be a huge pain it would take up my entire backpack that's
00:44:14
what I like to see yeah actually it's a little more flexible than actually having to to take that huge thing everywhere yeah there's a lot of um so
00:44:21
what's really really interesting about this is that in these two different form factors it
00:44:27
the wearing and like how um pressures spread across your face is very different um when you're wearing it it is kind of this bit's kind of just resting on your
00:44:38
head so it's not putting too much pressure on you um it's also pulling the headset a little bit in so it's actually
00:44:44
um there's not much pressure here when you put on the Cradle it's kind of just kind of climbing into clamping to your
00:44:49
head um then that's why like we really had to work on weight so this headset especially if I take off the gasket um it's like it's really thin and
00:45:01
um it's around this is around 240 grams um to put that in perspective um so the glasses form is around the weight of an iPhone Pro Max yeah 240.
00:45:13
okay I was going to say like what's the Freedom Units of that same as an iPhone okay yeah and with the battery it's
00:45:20
lighter than um the latest iPad Pro okay so it's Standalone headset so all the compute is in the front around the ears and also I'm assuming there's some in
00:45:32
the bands on the sides maybe there's some speaker type action on the sides yeah let me put the battery cradle back
00:45:39
on sure and this kind of this is the full Standalone configuration yeah so when it's in a standalone configuration
00:45:45
um the batteries at the back there's also some cool Battery Tech in here so we use a um
00:45:51
uh battery chemistry called Lithium Polymer gel so what you traditionally find in phones is Lithium Polymer liquid
00:45:58
um it has its differences so when it's a gel it ends up being a lot safer it's more leak resistant it's swelling resistant and considering like we have a battery on your head we want this to be
00:46:11
as safe as possible and then at the front is where you'll find our new displays they're 2K 2K so
00:46:18
4K across both eyes 90 Hertz um we have um and Snapdragon xr2 inside powering all of it and one of the hardest things
00:46:29
about achieving a form bat like this is thermals Snapdragon xr2 is actually quite a hot chip
00:46:35
um so um we you know we have a Heritage with smartphones so we're really good at
00:46:42
calling things and gain like as much juice out of them as possible so that's all like using the Snapdragon xr2 12
00:46:48
gigs of RAM it has four tracking cameras um so it has a really wide field of view to track hands controllers the headset
00:46:55
itself and um at the front is where it has some newer things we've never put in a
00:47:01
headset before so one is a depth sensor um so it basically sprays out infrared dots and then the tracking cameras can see them and it allows you to you know build like a mesh of your room so you
00:47:13
can get really cool mixed reality experiences and for mixed reality we have a 16 megapixel high resolution
00:47:19
pass-through camera um we actually do some pixel binning to improve the image quality but this is
00:47:25
what I've seen is um the best color quality and image quality of headsets are out right now um so yeah we're really we're really excited about this because not only is
00:47:39
it an amalgamation of all the tech that we have in existing headsets but we also built in a lot of VR new r d that we've
00:47:46
been working on I think one of the things that I always think when I go to CES and I look at all these interesting cool new technologies is how do you plan
00:47:55
on it being used or you know what's the typical customer of something like this I don't know if you're gonna have a price that you're announcing it with
00:48:02
um but obviously with VR headsets I typically think about gaming first and then all the other things that it
00:48:08
happens to be able to do alongside gaming what do you picture the the ideal experience with this new form factor
00:48:15
being um so this headset is priced at 10.99 okay one of the reasons is um VR in general isn't cheap to make and we're a company we have to make money on
00:48:28
our products right and we're also not a social media company so we don't and we have no plans
00:48:35
on having a business model of you know setting personal data either so you know we're in a position where we kind of
00:48:42
have to make money and um with all the tech that we built you know we want to build something that's
00:48:48
high quality um you know there's a lot of Race To The Bottom going on in the VR space and what
00:48:56
we want to give is something that people can upgrade to something that has you know not the you know the features that aren't cost compromised let me put it that way
00:49:08
um so of course people will buy this with gaming so we've been working with developers now to bring things like
00:49:14
gaming on board like existing games new games um with some of the new features like
00:49:19
mixed reality we also not only Built bringing in new content that has mixed reality which like you can interact with
00:49:25
your space or you can like learn to play a musical instrument because you have um things overlaid onto your real world
00:49:32
um but we also have mixed reality coming to existing games and existing content as well and because of how
00:49:39
um lightweight is I carry this with me all the time now because it's my travel buddy for Fitness as well
00:49:46
um so like there's Standalone content that you can play there's also pcvr that you can play with this as well and we have really good streaming technology that it can work wirelessly and this is one of the few headsets that also
00:49:58
supports Wi-Fi 6E so like very minimal interference as well um so I think one of the things that we've been trying to do is also go beyond
00:50:08
gaming right gaming is table sticks um but we want to go beyond gaming and bring things like Fitness and also
00:50:15
things like productivity um we think more and more people are going to start potentially working in VR
00:50:20
one of the things we designed this form factor for was that um we wanted to be super light and super
00:50:26
comfortable that you can you if you wanted to you could wear this for hours and work in it
00:50:31
um I don't expect people to immediately um but you know Ellis kind of wants to do that with the podcast he's been
00:50:38
talking about editing a whole episode in glasses so we'll see put it to the test what is the battery
00:50:44
left on on this if you actually tried it away for a few hours so on a full charge and really active use it will last up to
00:50:51
two hours um but you can also just keep it plugged in if you want as well and one of the really cool things is I think for
00:50:57
ls's use case um you don't need the battery pack you can wear it in glasses mode and it's
00:51:02
super light on your head as well and if you want to you know if you want to look at your real world environment you can
00:51:08
have it in pass-through or double click or if you just want to take it off you can just take it off like a pair of
00:51:13
glasses I I will say I've been using um completely unsponsored I've been using the n n real classes yes that's what they're called right playing and those are just you plug it into your
00:51:25
computer and it's like a monitor those with for playing piano are the best like being able to have sheet music up in
00:51:30
front of you and you can just like rock your head in whatever Direction and it's still like right there
00:51:36
amazing there's a really good piece of content called magic keys that we've been working with
00:51:42
um and they have passed through overlaid onto your piano and you have like have you seen those like piano YouTube videos where they're oh yeah things coming down to the keys is exactly the same so it
00:51:54
comes towards the keys and you have to press it on time that's so guitar heroifying your actual piano or like a
00:52:00
heads-up display for your piano sick of real time going when you mentioned instruments before I was like oh because
00:52:07
I keep thinking what in terms of mixed reality is something that's not work related like we saw with the the Oculus
00:52:14
it was the triple computer screens right but there's so much more and mentioning instruments and working out are things
00:52:20
that do make sense where it's like you want the your room environment in but like an instrument a piano it literally could
00:52:28
essentially tell you how to press all the keys in the right order and right pace right yeah that's kind of awesome
00:52:34
yeah and that one not only does um computer vision but it also does midi detection and also sound and Pitch detection so you can use it on a real keyboard or real piano or you can
00:52:48
connect like a midi keyboard that's so sick that's right I've heard a lot about Pastor and I
00:52:54
obviously want to try it because I've heard other headsets also say they have the best pass-through this is using a
00:53:00
single camera at the front for pass through right yeah it's using a single camera and then the depth sensor adds
00:53:06
depth gives us depth information and then yeah the tracking cameras also can give depth information there as well
00:53:12
one of the biggest challenges with Pastor is there's so much data what you find with tracking cameras is they're generally low resolution like VGA level and black and white right so it's
00:53:25
minimal amounts of data enough to get tracking data and it also means it's no latency and very responsive
00:53:32
so one of the key things we've been working on was trying how do we get higher resolution color data through and
00:53:39
at a low latency and that's something we kind of finally accomplish with this so is it over it's combining that
00:53:44
information from all of the sensors and the dev sensor but also showing you the pass-through of the single camera on the front yeah we do some modifications so that there's some warping sort of depth
00:53:58
looks right that's that's the downside of having a single camera which is you if you don't put the depth data in it just feels like a wall everything that's really far looks really big everything
00:54:09
that's uh really close sorry really file looks really small really close looks really big yeah
00:54:16
um so yeah there's a lot of Wizardry there as well yeah and it's tough The Parallax effect sometimes there's a
00:54:22
couple others we've tried where the The Parallax effect is is very different from stereo where I like the quest Pro
00:54:27
does stereo and so it feels a little more natural but it's a little lower resolution and worse looking so there's
00:54:33
different pros and cons you have to weigh so I'm curious to try this one yeah I think one you kind of have to
00:54:39
remember that this is like everyone is kind of limited by a mobile chipset right so everyone has their own ways of
00:54:44
approaching it um and their own sense of trade-offs right right so for us we felt visual
00:54:50
quality was really important um so not only is it things like color it's resolution it's also dynamic range
00:54:58
one of the really cool things about this is when I'm wearing it and I get a text or I see a message on my laptop I don't
00:55:05
have to take the headset off anymore I can see text on my phone or my laptop screen and that just just that alone
00:55:12
means that our resolution is good enough and also the dynamic range is good enough yeah being sharp enough to read that was one of the things so I had the the triple monitor setup which is like
00:55:24
okay this is a really cool idea if I can put this headset on anywhere you know in a car on a train or on a plane and I get
00:55:31
this monitor set up and in front of me and it's cool and I can like plug it in and use my mouse and keyboard but one of
00:55:36
the problems as I went into when you use the headset is when you actually try to use it it's not the best quality it's a
00:55:43
little bit glitchy and things don't actually work super well uh so it it it's always fun to see like how far you can push this chipset is this the same chipset that's in the quest Pro it's the xr2 it's a little different it's a
00:55:56
modified or similar chipset that different um versions so this one is XL2 and that
00:56:03
one's the XL2 plus right okay there is a slight difference um but there's no the only difference is
00:56:08
that on XL2 uh it's built like a smartphone um so you want a really small footprint so you stack memory on top of
00:56:15
the chip the upside is it's small the downside is if it's not cooled well enough you can't
00:56:22
it will throttle so you kind of have to down clock everything if you can't cool it properly um so XL2 plus is literally the same
00:56:28
chip but memory is separated so it has a bigger footprint print so you can call it better but we've never had thermal issues so we opted for the previous one
00:56:40
um the well the existing one which ends up being just as performance but also allows us to achieve this really small design nice nice yeah I want to try it I definitely
00:56:52
want to try it what is it what is it so I guess that you have the controllers also here like the the tracking level of
00:56:59
what you're able to do with like just putting your hands out in front of the quest Pro which is I keep comparing it to this because it's the one I tried
00:57:05
most recently is pretty cool because you don't have to have the controllers in your hands all the time uh what's what
00:57:11
are these controllers like so these controllers are ones that we uh had with Focus three okay uh the reason why we're
00:57:18
shipping with these is because they're really robust they're well tested and the tracking quality on these are
00:57:24
amazing um and the thing about controllers and hand tracking is um yeah our headset supports both of
00:57:30
them and they're both really important right there's a reason why um when you're using a laptop um you like or just people using tablets
00:57:40
they still use styluses or a mouse because with certain tools you get more Precision out of here you get tactility
00:57:47
and especially with these you get haptic feedback as well right so so there's um they're kind of different requirements I think for more passive experiences hand tracking is great right you don't have to carry controls with
00:57:58
you and it's just much more natural but when you're doing things like I don't know if you're drawing if you want a lot of precision if you want um yeah feedback that's where
00:58:11
controllers become really important as well yeah I remember we were talking about this previously used so the way
00:58:17
hand tracking Works to select something is you essentially aim at it and then pinch your fingers together right I
00:58:23
think you told me something I was wondering why that was the the way you do that and I think you told me it's
00:58:28
because you're getting physical tactility when you click your fingers together I thought that was kind of yeah
00:58:34
because it feels like a weird motion yeah if you press buttons in mid-air you get no feedback that always bothered me
00:58:41
about movies where you just have like a huge virtual screen in front of somebody and they start poking things and typing
00:58:47
and like it looks really cool but if you think about that for a second like trying to type on a keyboard where your
00:58:52
hands are all at different your fingers press at different levels anyway I always thought that was never gonna
00:58:58
happen so I think you do need some sort of a tactile thing for that to be real yeah there's some cool Tech with things
00:59:04
like ultrasounds and stuff like that to give you like mid-air um feedback never tried that there are a
00:59:10
bunch of people working on it um but yeah that's also really cool to give you that feedback but yeah
00:59:15
um having a little fleshy button to push gives you the right feedback um people have been able to mimic it
00:59:21
with mid ones with touch sorry with sound okay and some visual feedback but it's just not as good as this reminds me of driving a car and like trying to adjust the air conditioning on a screen
00:59:34
it's like I just I want to be able to just grab it and point it at me instead of having to do this whole Dance With
00:59:40
the touch screen yeah it's just the simple things yeah can we try it yeah okay um actually I haven't got room set up on here oh that might be tough I mean should we
00:59:51
do it in this small space right here I'll try it I'm willing to try it we should put
00:59:57
the blinders on one eternity later I like the fact of just like sunglasses mode plug-in while working on like a computer or something if you want to do something like that
01:00:09
versus big battery crushing your head it does look I'll try it but it does look and appear to be meaningfully smaller and lighter it looks way smaller it I
01:00:21
mean it's got a very like steampunk glasses we're just gonna talk over Shen setting this up for us to try out uh but
01:00:27
like the form factor itself does look far more I mean it's very ready player one I feel like oh yeah yeah a little bit it's it seems like less the quest
01:00:37
Pro felt like a like disc around your head like rigid arounds the entire thing which was
01:00:45
it's like it's better than like the Quest 2 obviously was great but the fact that all the weight and all the compute
01:00:51
and all the batteries on the front of your head it just has this like weighted feel to it so if you whip your head
01:00:56
around it's just like you're there's just all this weight on the front of your face so the the fact that it's more balanced makes perfect sense when you
01:01:02
have that much Hardware on your head so that I'm not shocked that like makes good sense to me now I just want to see
01:01:08
like as we race to make the Technologies better and to make all these things smaller and lighter and maybe have
01:01:14
longer battery lives and all that like which direction do we go do we get these small batteries or small glasses with a
01:01:21
big battery do we get yeah you know which direction makes the most sense and just like battery in the back is
01:01:26
obviously a weight distribution thing and when you're doing things like you said whipping your head around it's
01:01:32
going to hold it back there better and feel better in a sense like that but sitting back in a chair laying down on a pillow on a plane ride or something like that that is obviously in the way being
01:01:44
able to just plug into USBC through a power option which if you're sitting down is probably not an issue yeah then
01:01:50
having the ability to do that without crushing your skull and I haven't done this yet but at one point I will I can't
01:01:57
wait to sit down on a plane and put a VR headset on and watch a movie in the VR headset it's I think it's
01:02:04
gonna be the best plane movie ever it will be because you have a 300 inch screen yeah so if you took every screen in first class and put it together it would combine yeah and then you get your
01:02:17
headphones on and you also have the blinders on so you don't have like someone two rows in front of you opening the window blasting light all over your
01:02:24
screen it's I think that's gonna I think I mentioned this when we were talking about the Vive flow is like or you're
01:02:31
watching a movie on the plane that you don't realize has a scene that feels inappropriate for the passengers around
01:02:36
you and then like I think I watched Wolf of Wall Street and then within like 20 minutes I was like now
01:02:42
like the stream you're watching the movie on your screen but then the person next to you is watching a different movie and then you like get distracted
01:02:48
by there and you're watching theirs and then the person in front he's watching yeah it's a lot right so I told myself
01:02:53
that I would watch a movie in with VR glasses on the train last time I took it to Philly and uh I never got over the end embarrassment I like made it like maybe 30 seconds into the movie I think
01:03:06
it was like it's got to be a plane where you'll never see those people again yeah exactly it'll be it'll become more
01:03:11
popular and less ridiculous eventually you just also yourself like on on Twitter yeah later yeah exactly like
01:03:18
who's this guy also I noticed way too often when I'm in the VR space my mouth is open for some reason
01:03:25
I'm just like totally wallied out I feel like we're I don't know if I can't see people
01:03:31
making fun of me they're not making fun unless you're right until you're on Twitter later or you can tell an
01:03:37
imposter and see if anything or I could turn on past there and then see all the people making fun of me I think I think
01:03:43
it's gonna become more normal especially in the first class remember quiet Comforts used to be that
01:03:49
like I know that guy travels I think headsets like these or even just more like AR or like the unreal where you
01:03:55
look at it have your own screen is going to be the new quiet Comforts of like that guy travels that guy's In First
01:04:01
Class if we if we turn back time to maybe 12 years ago right phones any phone over like five inches was too big so people were like mocking like having a tablet on your head yeah but like now
01:04:15
look at it now there's seven inches yeah yeah good point all right all right you can give this a go and it's on open
01:04:21
brush so it's a painting experience but I have um password turned on so you can see
01:04:27
your surroundings you can kind of paint on the desk itself all right all right so I'm putting it on now and I'm gonna try to tighten how should
01:04:38
I yeah there's a little dot oh okay there's all there's a little dial on the back yeah and pass through is turned on
01:04:45
right now and right away uh this is the brightest and best looking colored pass-through that I've ever seen
01:04:56
it does have a little bit of the it does suffer from being only one camera so the
01:05:01
perspective is not perfect but as far as like drawing on objects around me and grabbing I guess in terms of you're
01:05:07
saying not perfect but taking in terms of affecting your reality of it yeah minimal minimal uh there's a little bit of just like wide angle Choice like
01:05:20
choosing which focal length you use for it seems a little narrow I can't see my hands over here but when you get in here
01:05:28
bright and colorful and looks great uh and yeah the tracking is really good on these two so I'm gonna try to draw something what do I I'm gonna draw a logo you have to
01:05:40
uh yeah guess what logo it's like the Disney Channel logo thing I mean yeah it's the MKBHD logo yeah
01:05:52
this is also off topic our logo is so hard to draw by hand I've been working here for six years now and I probably couldn't even make a good one by hand it's because you're not an AR
01:06:04
oh how dare you do you think I want to see you drop well I'll see you draw One in a minute
01:06:09
um yeah no I I it's hard um it's the angles are tough yeah it doesn't it's so simple and at the same time really tough I think I tried it
01:06:22
once I can't remember why but if you're off by like 10 degrees which is minimal it looks either really big form logo
01:06:29
that'll be even harder oh no I'm not gonna try that with this with the slots I think I did pretty good you'll see the
01:06:36
recording which I did okay but that no it is it is very the tracking like you said is really really good the tracking the controllers is great I'm seeing the object in front of me I
01:06:49
almost want to like grab it and move it around it's like very solid one thing you'll notice is we kind of make this we
01:06:55
made this headset back heavy so the weight distribution is where your neck is so if you turn your head it doesn't
01:07:00
feel like there's anything hanging on the side that is it's like very the Pivot Point almost like uh yeah it's really well balanced like exactly what
01:07:07
you're saying like the when I turn my head around I feel like there's the exact same amount in front of me and behind me which is it can we turn the
01:07:13
volume down yeah I don't know where is that and then the controls oh it might be the fan oh is that it
01:07:21
yeah I can hear from Marcus's headset it's it's it's it's pre-production Hardware yeah so pre-production you can
01:07:27
still hear the fan but it's not throttling no okay that's good can you potentially try on the um the adjustment
01:07:35
the no back adjustment I know it won't turn on unless being plugged in but yeah in terms of feeling yeah distribution
01:07:41
and comfort you also notice that we didn't put a top strap on this I was just gonna say for marquez's hair I'm
01:07:47
sure he appreciates that a lot yes I much prefer headsets that don't have a top strap
01:07:53
I don't think I'm alone in that but yeah that is that is a huge win yeah during our research we found a lot of people
01:07:59
have a reversion to it um like girls might it might ruin their hair um like various people like um we have a few people in our
01:08:10
um in our European office who wear a turban and having this is also something that's really inclusive for them yeah so that's also why we try to make this design we'll have a top strap in there
01:08:20
just in case people really want to maybe they want it really loose or they have a really small head
01:08:26
um well they're getting really into beat saber yes extra I was about to say the tracking is good because IMR tracking
01:08:34
team's worst enemy because every time they release something I test it on like beat saber or something else I'm like
01:08:40
this is off by like a centimeter that's to be beat saber is that one like my wife makes fun of me all the time because I'll be playing it and she'll just see me swing around I'll be like I hit that that was off I know I got that
01:08:53
one she's like yeah I'm sure you'd be like no no I need to recalibrate these it's totally off yeah so I'm currently if you're not
01:09:01
watching the video version and I'm now wearing it without the battery on the back and you would have with this usb-c
01:09:06
port I imagine a battery plugged in with a cable in your back pocket something like that
01:09:12
um it is great if you're if you're gonna lie back I would do this but you can definitely feel the weight of it now on the front of your face just like a quest to or anything like that and I much
01:09:22
prefer having the back strap and the battery on so if I'm leaning back this is fine but the second I want to move around I'm doing the back can I try real
01:09:29
quick yeah we'll try with a hat on too I don't know should I still work with the hat yeah it
01:09:35
works dude it looks cool with a hat I forgot I wasn't gonna see anything it looks cool with this hat by the way
01:09:41
just saying one of one you can't hide anyway we don't even have a link yeah yeah you can feel it on the bridge of your nose a bit yeah we tried a lot of um we went through a lot of designs and
01:09:53
we really like this sunglasses style design um and it if you already look like we
01:09:58
tried to hide the cameras so they're not too obvious even the speakers um we deliver a lot of
01:10:06
um a lot of volume a lot of clarity a lot of bass but we still try to make it as hidden as possible because we wanted to to really do look
01:10:13
like glasses are the speakers on the uh the strap that's going behind your ear yeah like right next to it but it's not
01:10:19
a bone conduction it's just a speaker yeah it's just a speaker is that it yeah so we okay to get if you get really
01:10:25
close to your ears that's how you get bass yeah um because Bass Just falls off so
01:10:31
quickly um so even compared to like VI flow we halve the distance between the speakers and the ears and we also made the
01:10:38
speakers bigger um so the drivers themselves are bigger as well yeah it's wild to me that you're
01:10:43
holding a VR headset in a frame like that yeah I mean you do you still need the battery but this is good yeah this
01:10:50
is really this is really nice I'm I'm excited about the future of where things go like every time we get to try a new
01:10:55
VR experience I'm looking for kind of two things now one is visual Fidelity and overall just like how immersive can it be which is always great when you're not doing pass-through and you're just
01:11:07
like in the game and you see everything but then when the pass through is really good I think that's the new thing to
01:11:13
focus on which is really fun and then two is just like can I be comfortable in it is it lightweight is it does it look insane because the early VR headsets speaking of CES the first time I ever
01:11:25
tried a VR headset was an Oculus Rift at CES and I just remember like the whole setup process plugging it in the computer all of it was a nightmare until I put the headset on and I was like whoa
01:11:38
this is kind of cool this has real potential here so we've seen it evolve over time and I'm now looking forward to
01:11:45
like the next versions of it but this is really cool I I think a lot of people are going to really like it yeah I think a lot of the user experience is
01:11:52
something we've been working on a lot we want things to be pick up and go even with the Vive right there was a setup process and it was kind of worse when we had Dev kits because that's when
01:12:02
Microsoft didn't have official support for it stuff like that developers announced you said kind of joke which is
01:12:08
like um we'd have a process of making of booting up a PC you plug in a USB you wait until the windows logo before you plug in the HDMI and then you wait until like five seconds after the start menu
01:12:20
appears you plug in the power and then pray to you know yeah some deity and hope it works um so I'm really glad we're past that and I think with mobile headsets
01:12:32
if you plug in power it'll just get up and go and we put a tiny battery in here which also allows for hot swapping so if
01:12:39
you if you are like using it for Fitness right smart and you want to use it for more than two hours completely
01:12:45
wirelessly you can have a second backpack sorry a second battery back or you can have like an existing power bank
01:12:51
and you can go into glasses mode and just attach it to here that is a really good idea I didn't even think of that obviously having the ability to pop off
01:12:58
the battery is new but well thought well played sick I have to ask one more question
01:13:03
long far off future where do you see VR headsets in general do you see the the ultimate goal of these being like a super small like glasses thing that's super immersive that everybody wears all
01:13:15
the time or do you still see it as a separate experience from the normal everyday work life work and play because
01:13:24
I feel like there are companies out there who make it very clear that they think we should spend all our time in VR
01:13:29
and that's kind of hard to see for me right now but I'm curious how you guys look at it I think
01:13:35
I think there's a goal that everyone thinks is viable which is like small super small glasses
01:13:42
um maybe 5G connected um with you know cloud computing and you know that's kind of a really nice goal to have but the the challenge isn't thinking about what the goal is the
01:13:54
challenge is thinking how you get there right like going back to like the smartphone example we're at you know
01:13:59
seven inch smartphones but smartphones went through this period Well phones in general went through a spirit of going
01:14:04
being really big and getting small and being big again because the user experience ended up being better with it being bigger it was really good with
01:14:15
dumb phones when they were really small and I think VR will probably go through something similar and it's about what
01:14:21
features do you pick right how do we um you know as you have more adoption all those costs come down as well right you know when we started making VR
01:14:31
headsets we ended up um you know some of the first prototypes we worked on with valve they're like
01:14:37
smartphone displays that we like glued on yeah but now things like these right we have custom displays in these the
01:14:45
reason why like you have a hundred dollar smartphones now is because there are so many off-the-shelf components you can pick so I think we'll get to a point
01:14:52
where that will become a thing but we're trying to build out all the Technologies needed
01:14:57
um to hit that right like if if you know if I went and got all these parts and sold them together if I don't have the software none of it works right and it's not just like you know Iran's a
01:15:10
custom Android operating system but also all those all the tracking algorithms um they have like deep learning
01:15:17
algorithms in there as well and all of that just takes also time um and then a lot of resources to to
01:15:22
build and we're just talking about the basics I think with things like the metaverse there are so many other
01:15:28
fundamental Basics that we have to build together um to really reach the skull of you know
01:15:35
having people want to be in there right I'm you know there's a way of you it's not something you can force people to go in you there has to be some value for people to go back into it 100 yeah I
01:15:48
think we'll keep looking for that that killer app and that value that people really find the most compelling but
01:15:55
until then the demos are really fun so yeah can you also um you've been playing VR for a long
01:16:01
time and you're great at beat saber for the VR Gamers out here can you give us a couple I find my hardest thing playing
01:16:07
VR is finding a game that I enjoy and going back to the same two over and over again so any uh any suggestions okay
01:16:15
because not well known besides super hot and beat saber okay um it's also what very well known but
01:16:22
like pistol whip is also really good okay um and if you some if you're someone who hates doing squats like it makes you do
01:16:28
squats um okay because you're dodging bullets I can't use some squats um but aside from like the music based
01:16:35
games um one thing that is really cool and we're actually going to show at CES is called kayak VR
01:16:42
and it's exactly what it is what it sounds like you are in a kayak and you're kayaking around but it has some of the most beautiful scenes it has like Antarctica with penguins it has like
01:16:54
fjords in north in Norway it's really nice to just go in and chill is it like high definition shot or is it
01:17:01
it's pcvr as well so it's only released on pcvr because it needs that horsepower
01:17:06
okay um but you can connect this wirelessly to a PC and it just it gives you a really nice experience that I would love my mom loves VR I would love to sit around the ottoman in my living room and
01:17:19
just let her kayak around I mean I could do that all day that sounds yeah my mom kind of likes VR too your mom loves you
01:17:24
yo when your mom came over she played beat saber and was like screaming Star Wars references it was awesome yeah I
01:17:31
might have to yeah I'll get her set up with one of these sick all right thank you again to Shen from HTC for the time
01:17:37
and the demo and with the the last two minutes we do want to go over the trivia answer so we're back with David we have
01:17:43
our white boards and we have the two trivia questions to reconsider and figure out our answers for let's do it let's do it
01:17:54
all right gamers yeah oh the G fuel which one of these flavors is fake oh my goodness number one spicy demon Aid
01:18:08
number two click bait number three Blaze potion number four battle juice and number five the juice
01:18:23
I've never had G feel in my life yeah just for the record I'll be happy no matter what happens here because I get a
01:18:29
point or I don't know anything about G fuel yeah I've never had G fuel either wins yeah
01:18:35
so I said number one the oh demonet with spicy DNA spicy demon that is wrong I said blaze potion I made that one up
01:18:45
and oh I said clickbait no there's an actual G fuel flavor called click bait I did write in parentheses click bait is a good name if you were curious click bait tastes like Cherry pomegranate I thought
01:18:58
it'd be click bait because that's not like a gaming term it's more of like just a internet term she feels kind of
01:19:06
gone to the point of like Pat like just like they're like the rage Shadow Legends of uh energy drinks doesn't g
01:19:13
means gamer fuel maybe it did but uh who knows what it means also look at all these pop-ups that come up when I go on
01:19:20
this sale big sale end of year BOGO sale still has two years two days left I feel
01:19:26
like I'm on mushrooms looking at this website the reason I picked Blaze is because they're partnered with FaZe and I
01:19:33
assumed those two couldn't coexist yeah the yeah but you're right the phase flavors all of the word phase in them they're there is one there's a few that have the
01:19:45
word it's not a tech trivia question Jason damn we make the rules yeah fine second question also we're not interested in a
01:19:57
g fuel sponsorship no yeah people are watching yeah we are not interested do not email us okay how many air tags can
01:20:05
you attach to your Apple ID quick update Andrew is in the lead with one oh nice I've written mine through the back also so I like I know there is a number it
01:20:19
sounds crazy that they would limit it because one it's making more money for Apple I think it was well I'm kind of
01:20:26
giving away too much information here but I'll say it anyway I think it was kind of like they just didn't expect people to get that many and they never
01:20:33
bothered thinking about it but also Justine hit the number I'm very confident some YouTuber has hit that
01:20:40
number so like a so it's like obviously it's like a really high number it's a real it's a reasonable remember
01:20:49
you know I haven't I Mr Krabs I have an idea but I in my account right now have um four air tags and two other find my things that have the I have a my wallet
01:21:04
is one and I have air tags on my keys and the tripod bags so just anyway whatever tripod bags in particular because that's the only thing that we check under the plane so it's like if we
01:21:16
depart with our belongings that's the only thing we can lose because remember those stories we don't want that happening to the cameras yeah yeah okay
01:21:23
anyway all right I have my answer flip them is this dealt like closest Delta or is it um if we all get it wrong this is right no if we all get it wrong it should be
01:21:36
closest sure okay let's do it here's the answers what do you guys say Andrew and
01:21:41
I both said 30. yeah I said 10. oh wait Marquez is the closest though so he gets the point is it nine the answer is 16. 16. yeah so it's very low that seems really low but
01:21:55
like think about it like who has 16 tags did they I might you have 16. yes I currently I don't have 17 I can tell you I think I have nine okay okay
01:22:08
oh they're in your cameras I have it on all my expensive games that makes sense if you just think about like someone who
01:22:13
might have just like way more than usual just like going oh I'll put an air tag on all of my X Y and Z you might get to
01:22:19
like 12 or something Adam can you fact check that to make sure they didn't oh I spent like the last five minutes fact
01:22:24
checking I could see a scenario where you're a parent and you have air tags on your things and now the things of your kids where you could hit 16 very easily what I just found out about
01:22:38
there is a piece of wearable technology that you give a kid that uh is basically
01:22:45
a phone it's like a bracelet but they can make and receive calls from pre-programmed numbers like the parents
01:22:52
or friends and there's an app that the parents can use to log in to track the location of
01:22:58
the bracelet all the time and can call the bracelet did you know about these no I would just have my kids swallow an air
01:23:04
it's like a kid a kid air tag it's a kid air tag basically make sure you're like out with your friends and stuff and it's
01:23:10
like it's like 7 30 you know you're like a little late your mom's probably wondering and then your mom starts coming out of your wrist like yo yeah
01:23:16
ice walkie-talkie I don't like to say how but I I saw an app of one of these and there is a setting where you can have it bypass the ring and just open
01:23:28
the call just push to talk wait like what is the targeted audience at this because when you said kid I thought 10
01:23:33
but when you started talking about like get out with your friends too young to get a phone too old old enough to leave
01:23:41
the house too young to get not like you're not like out you're not like at the eight-year-old Club yeah
01:23:47
okay kids don't go outside anymore born too late the ones that do are plugged in I'd be so mortified and embarrassed if my mom pushed a talk now it was such a flex I'm gonna troll my
01:24:01
mom on my wrist real quick give me a sec imagine this you're drinking g-fuel with your gamer friends you just down a big
01:24:07
type of quick clickbait you're playing fortnite down in some click bait Marquez can you
01:24:13
end this and suddenly your mom but the storms close today hey uh Jimmy do you want Milo for dinner tonight Mom I'm playing G fuel gamer no Mom I'm trying
01:24:24
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