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[Music] what's going on people of the internet welcome back to another episode of the
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waveform podcast we're your hosts i'm marquez and i'm david and uh this week we've got a lot to talk about so david's
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filling in for andrew we're going to talk about macbook air m2 pixel 6a some gadgets of the week but
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also uh how hyundai's been low-key killing it with design lately or maybe high key actually yeah um and we also
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got a little bit of a sneak peek about what a mid-range surface duo could look like but first let's talk about the
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gadgets because there are so many actually before we talk about the gadgets i want to apologize
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oh i want to give an apology because ever since we did trivia last week uh in which both andrew and i failed to know that trinitron trinitron
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trinitron was the name of this display technology from the 80s i have never seen more tweets yeah at the waveform twitter about how they were screaming internally about how could we
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not know what tryndatron was so i i apologize for putting you through that stress
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um and i i will now never forget the name yeah can we just have a moment of silence for ellis because uh we were
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laughing at him saying it was a ridiculous question as we recorded it we were like ellis that was a pretty
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ridiculous question but now that we saw the tweets and everybody responding it turns out we were being ridiculous yeah
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we didn't know we should have known we're just out of touch that's our that's our bet on that yeah um but anyway let's talk
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about macbook air macbook air m2 the review is now finally out we know what we're getting into with the macbook air
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do you have any hot takes or any any thoughts on the macbook air now that it's out yeah i mean i've used it a
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little bit now and i like the shape overall obviously because the their move to that flat design is nice it sort of feels like a mini macbook pro exactly newer macbook pro yeah um
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but i will say i do miss i do kind of miss the wedge a little bit just because it gave you a slight angle to your hands
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yeah it was nice yeah but obviously the new screen is way better all these things are way better but again
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a little bit deceptively expensive because you don't want to buy that base model because it only has one
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256 gigabyte chip instead of two 128 chips that can work in parallel yeah yeah i think a lot of people sort of
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missed that but that was kind of one of the biggest points of the review which is the m1 macbook air was amazing it was a
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thousand bucks and that was like i feel like that was the most universally recommended computer for
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like two years straight yeah it was just like yeah this computer is great at this price it's a thousand dollars it's it's
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very competitive go for it so now this is the upgraded version of that but anytime you see apple like leave the old
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version in the lineup you always wonder like okay what are they doing with pricing here yeah so they left that at a thousand dollars you can you can find it
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on like amazon or best buy i'm sure for like 8.99 or something but now the macbook air m2 starts at
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1200 and that base version has eight gigs of ram and 256 use of storage yeah a 1200
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dollar computer should not have 256 yeah like a phone or an ipad or something it's pretty yeah it's pretty
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disappointing but even at that price not only is it not a lot of storage but it is particularly slow storage so like you
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said it's using a single ssd chip instead of two in parallel which would be faster and so you end up with this like half read half write speed that kind of
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gets annoying when you get into memory swap territory yeah you got a bunch of chrome tabs open you know what they do
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with ram and chrome like you start to slow down you realize that's not performing the way it usually does and
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we actually noticed this using it so uh i highly highly recommend upgrading from
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that base to getting at least the 512 gigs of storage yeah i mean i would do that anyway because 256 on the laptop is
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just there's just so many reasons to upgrade so that puts you at 1400 yeah and that's still with eight gigs of ram
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maybe you bump up the ram maybe you want to bump up the gpu or whatever but that's at least 1400 and that's i would think about this laptop as a minimum
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1400 laptop yeah now it's not so easy like a thousand dollars if you have a thousand dollars to spend you might still be fine getting the m1 macbook air
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you're missing out on the new design and mag safe and the fast charging and maybe the extra port now that magsafe opens
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that up but yeah it's pretty good computer for for the price still nothing about that changed yeah the m series chips are
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still amazing um i think i saw a lot of comments being like oh everyone was saying the m chips are so amazing last
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year and now they're like kind of being negative about m2 chips it's like when you make a giant generational leap like
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that obviously every year after that it's going to be like kind of slow increments yeah but the gpu increases are pretty
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are pretty sick yeah alone so one of my favorite takes about this laptop because we i i sort of opened the review talking
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about how this is the first one that's designed around apple silicon like we have the old body with the intel macbook air and
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then we put m1 inside now this is all designed around the chip uh i feel like we now realize that the
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12-inch macbook was ahead of its time yeah a little bit ahead of its time because they tried to
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put an intel chip in there and the 12-inch macbook makes the new macbook air look big like this is a very small
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thin thin ultra portable laptop and i want to see that reincarnated with an m1 chip i feel like that would actually be a really good machine yeah if you've used the new macbook pros like the 14 inch and the 16 inch and then you
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use a mac quick bare macbook air m2 it is weirdly thin because it's like the same shape yeah but it's like half the
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height it's really weird yeah it's like a little little shelf yeah yeah exactly so i'm a
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fan uh i think go watch that review it's got a lot of good things going for it but obviously keep that price in mind
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and keep that you know fingerprints when we were going through the comments section trying to find the
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most asked questions everyone was talking about the fingerprints yeah yeah we're so we're originally going to try
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to do like a sort of a q a style review right and it turned out that most of the questions that people were asking were
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pretty easily answered in the normal review and then the extra bits were just like can you guys like talk about the
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fingerprints and like how bad that is yeah it was uh it was annoying we were shooting in in like b-roll out in the
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open and brandon was getting a shot of the back of the computer as i was using it he's like oh let me just wipe it off real
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quick i was like nope nope can't wipe it off we gotta show it the way it actually looks in the real world which is it's
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going to look like any time you pick it up as soon as you touch it so yeah macbook air it's out there now yeah um
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do you want to talk about this surface duo i saw the headline i did not read the article so maybe you can fill me on
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what this is yeah so there was a potentially cheaper surface duo that was supposed to launch um i think
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in 2022 but they canceled the project last year in 2021. it was gonna be made of plastic um right
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now the the build quality of the surface duo is pretty good because it's this weird like
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glass sort of metal with this weird interesting hinge and that device accurate very accurate right there that device dot dot it's just like
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fundamentally in my opinion it feels fundamentally bad because the aspect ratio is is too wide to when it's like folded over itself to hold with one hand right it's a weird
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tallness when you have it open you have to hold it with two hands that means you have to have big bezels because your
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fingers are gonna it's just it was already weird and it was like fourteen hundred dollars
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when the first one launched it was insanely expensive so now they're like i guess they were planning on making a
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cheaper one but i'm assuming how much cheaper does it is that it never does the original surface duo got down to like 450 dollars well yeah unintentionally on sale yeah so i am i
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would have imagined this probably would have sold for like 900 or a thousand maybe a thousand
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um and i mean i when i was reviewing this the original surface duo i dropped it once and it
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completely shattered and that happened to multiple other people too woof so maybe a plastic design actually would
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have been more rugged yeah that's funny do you think the surface duo as a form factor is doomed like you're saying like the aspect ratio right like all the foldables have to
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deal with this thing where you need it to be a good phone unfolded and a good phone folded right and you you get
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phones like the galaxy fold which is like it's kind of tall and thick like a candy bar it's a little bit worse as a
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normal phone but then you open it and it's way better right then you get the huawei's of the world um the surface duo
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maybe being the worst version of this compromise where it's kind of bad at both yeah is it
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like not worth trying this version again the weird thing about the duo is that it it works like a book right like a book
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that you take around with you you don't use the front of the book you don't care about the front of the book you just
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open it and then you only use it in this two-handed mode and that's the aspect ratio that it's in and so they tried to
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make it usable with one screen by folding it around itself but when they made the second surface duo they added the bump in the
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camera module which made it not even fold flush around itself so then you've got this like really weird like shape and
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holding it with one hand is difficult as it is and i don't know i mean i have heard a lot of people who
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now that it's like 400 on the used market and also like on sale every now and then it's a really great kindle
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reader if you want an android-based kindle that has two pages accessible and apparently the digitizer is less terrible now and you can actually
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use the device could be a good kindle reader um but it had a lot yeah i don't know when
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i was reviewing the one and two it was like the glitchiest phone i had ever used in my life same same yeah i
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specifically mentioned that i think and the red flag was when the embargo was like you can talk all about the hardware
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as much as you want and then it'll go on sale and then you can talk about yeah that was like i was like that was when
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companies start using reviewers to their advantage and i felt really uncomfortable about that whole situation
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yeah so the the surface i don't know i it is kind of a romantic idea of just having a little pocket notebook around
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that's digital and it's like a good modern version of that would be so so nice right like i really want that to
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exist have you ever seen the movie her before i haven't but i've heard of it yeah there's a
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there's a device in that movie it's like a retro futuristic movie and there's a device his phone is basically a surface duo
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it's a little pocket book that he only like it almost looks like a passport and he only opens it up when he wants to use it
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that's what it's the size of yes it's the past the passport and he can keep it there's a part where he has it in his
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shirt pocket and the camera is facing outward and the ai can see his world and he's kind of dancing around see it's
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like a very romantic idea it'd be cool if it worked like that yes from a usability idea i don't know i do like
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the idea like something i liked about the duo was that it was a very intentional device when
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you close it it is closed you're not getting like ambient notifications that are like you're at dinner with somebody
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and you're like looking at it constantly lighting up yeah you open it yeah light it up
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you open it up you do the things you need to do and you close it and that is very romantic and cool and i like that
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yeah but it was i don't know i mean maybe if they could make one that is not so insanely glitchy sadly android 12l
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which is like the more tablet large phone oriented interface came out way after these things came out so
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that was a problem like microsoft was trying to like put this layer on top of android that made it see
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each screen as different screens right but if you took a screenshot it didn't show the hinge so the device thought
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that it was a tablet but then microsoft's additional glitchy layer on top was trying to segment
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everything and i don't know i i i would like to see a non-glitchy version of this and then maybe be able
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to evaluate it yeah because i was inspired by the idea you know panos inspires us with his his general
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walkthroughs of like getting in flow and everything like i saw him using it and i was like yeah dual screen phone yeah
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that's going to make sense i'm going to have my tasks on one side my calendar on the other side i'm going to have my gmail on the left and my browser on the
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right like i'm going to have a good time uh yeah maybe maybe one more try yeah and with the case the
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flat pen can magnetically attach on the two so like i feel didn't it accidentally do that on
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the first one kind of like loosely yeah it would like fall off after yeah because the hint like when it closes there's like a weak magnet that makes it
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close together yeah yeah so anyway i have a question for you guys yeah do you think that if it was not a phone it
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would be better like if you just don't that's really funny that's if you ask microsoft they they don't
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refer to it as a phone no right they're like it should be but it is it's got your sim card in it and like you can do phone
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calls awkwardly on it if you want to if they yeah if they came out and they were like here's our surface book surface
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passport surface passport there was a prototype that was supposed to be called the service passport um
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oh no that was a bigger one i think there's gonna be a bigger one that's cancelled too i i think if that i think because it
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runs android it it gets the stigma of like yeah it's it's a phone even though we have android tablets like when you have a small android device like that you can use it with one hand we just see
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it as a phone and so you just start comparing it to phones and the experience is so much worse so but then
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you get into the idea of like what is a phone because any android-based device can do the same thing that a pocketable phone can do except possibly make phone
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calls yeah but the phone would be the primary device if they didn't market this as the primary device just like a
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secondary that's what they marketed it they kind of did but nobody took it like that way
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like saying it's not what panos was saying it's not a phone it's a surface he said that a hundred times over lauren
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good had an article called called like don't call it a phone yeah but it and they wanted it to be though but it took a sim card and it was a small android exact screen in your pocket i don't know
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man yeah i think the fact that it fits in your pocket is is just people are just going to see it as a phone oh yeah
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we skipped over the whole ebay thing though oh yeah well how did we find out about this potential uh
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mid-range version it popped up on ebay um this has been happening a lot recently it sounds like what would
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happen to a pixel phone i think it did happen i think it has there was a guy that bought a pixel what
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he thought was a pixel 6 pro on like craigslist and i ended up being a seven pro like how does
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sick sick so this is microsoft yeah so is it intentional no problem popped up on ebay then got deleted then got put
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back on ebay and then i think that got deleted or something like that i don't know we were looking at the listing like yesterday and it was only like 800 and
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andrew and i were like should we just buy this because like this is like probably the price it would
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go for anyway and it's like the only one on the planet yeah i don't know that's pretty funny anyway well
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we'll we'll come back to surface i think i'm going to give it one more shot i think well not me i think the world's going to give it one more shot yeah i
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think if we get a really really impressive surface in this form factor then we can accept
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that this was a good thing to try but if we get another surface and it's also really bad and annoying to use then it
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probably won't get enough you know what i would love to see you know how the razor when it folds there's like that the teardrop part of
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the folded screen kind of like goes into the hinge yeah if microsoft could do that with this device where when you open it up it's straight up a tablet and then the software could segment it into
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two screens but it was one continuous display i feel like that would be really cool that would be really cool yeah yeah and
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then you could fold it over itself too maybe i don't know depends on if they keep that hinge the 360 hinge thing
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going on which it was a cool great hinge design yeah um and they made a big deal about it as every hinge company does of
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course microsoft is good at hinges but yeah anyway well i raved that was the one thing i loved about the surface
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um i'm afraid i have to admit that entire time i had that stupid song in my head
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about how [Music] let's go to break i think we should go to break let's do a trivia and then go to break and then we'll be right back
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okay trivia question in honor of ellis's question we're bringing it back to us what does sony's tv brand bravia stand for oh no i just learned this is it an
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acronym it is an action it's an acronym a acronym it's a background which is a word i
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learned researching this so backronym is an acronym you form in reverse where you have the word and then you come up with
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something that it stands for i yes that seems like what oh yeah of course um why did they come up with the word in
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the first place though they just they just felt the need all right yeah well i'll think about it oh as we
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learned before though bravia is the new branding of trinitron yeah so i don't think that'll figure it out though the crt people are screaming in the comments no bravia is oh if i
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understand correctly when sony foley was like we're done with crts we're only doing lcd panels now yeah that was when
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bravia came and trinitron left cashier but there was a weird doubt never came back
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area period where they were doing flat screen crts and that was what huega was flusking crts yeah this they weren't they were still pretty deep but they weren't like a rounded
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bulb on the end that's the one that it kind of looks like vega but with two v's and sony's
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always like no it's way good say so sony's a history of weird names and pronunciations they just they predicted that we were going to be doing trivia in the future they knew they had to make it
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complex one guys how'd you not know that to not be an easy answer all right we'll think about it and we'll come back be
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right back all right welcome back let's talk uh let's talk cars for a second i got a little i got a little bit to to rewind
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about so this week i tweeted about hyundai and i think andrew and i have had like
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little partial segments of this conversation before on waveform where it's like we see a couple of hyundai's
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new hyundais on the street now we're like they look good like they look real nice they're not afraid to play with the
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lights they have very distinctive like daytime running lights and i don't know there's nothing about them i'm very very impressed and hyundai has
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a reputation already in the u.s but i feel like they're on this little glow up yeah right so i i've had this little
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back of the head like hyundai thing and then they came out with the the ionic 5 and a super bowl commercial and
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like we all keep seeing ionic fives on the street now and this is now probably number one on my list of electric cars
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that i haven't driven yet that i see and want to try because they're out there people are driving them and
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they look pretty cool um so that's that's in the back of my head this whole time then we get this like concept
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i think it's a concept yeah concept hyundai car it's a two-door car uh hyundai makes this snazzy like promo reel and a photo shoot with them so i guess it's renders and like a reel that
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they put together but of the n vision 74 technically a hybrid ev they'll say it'll combine hydrogen and pure battery and it looks
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so sick my take is it looks more like the delorean than the new delorean absolutely what i was thinking too yeah did you see these pictures yeah so i tweeted like yeah whoever's doing design
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for hyundai like even the interior i will i will say what's interesting is that i think a lot of manufacturers have
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been trying to figure out like all right we're electrifying our lineup now let's make it look futuristic but a lot of the
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the car manufacturers when they try to do that it ends up just looking really tacky yeah and somehow
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hyundai has like taken like even this car has like these this led pixel array for its headlights
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and just the daytime running lights again right like that they're not afraid to mess with that yeah and then they're angles too like on the ionic five and
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ionic six it's like it's very like tetrahedral but it actually looks good dude if i saw this car on the street i would be like what is that that is sick the electric
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hydrant hydrogen um mix is really interesting because hydrogen cars are really cool in concept
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because they only release water right water vapor and then obviously electric cars can store and charge more
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energy in our or store more energy and are more efficient overall but i mean that's what do they mean by
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hybrid do they say what that means so if i the more i read into this it's it's clear it's very concept like they just
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say it's gonna be a hybrid and have these two methods but don't really explain too much of how that would work
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also the way i understand it so let's i'm just gonna read the motorone.com article um technically it's
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a hybrid ev combines a hydrogen fuel cell with a battery to power a pair of electric motors so the electric motors
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take power from both uh one per wheel oh sorry one at each rear wheel so it's just rear wheel drive oh my god the result is a combined output of 671
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horsepower but with the individual motors at the back hyundai will explore various aspects of torque vectoring and
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an electric rear wheel drive application hyundai also says the combination of hydrogen fuel cell with batteries allows
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for the cooler temperatures so i guess oh yeah that's an interesting idea actually it makes sense can you use
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the water vapor that is the um that is the result of a hydrogen i don't know and i i don't know if it'll be cool exhaust either right so i'm not exactly watching vapor to me it just
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feels like there's gonna be two plugs probably it's hot yeah yeah but there's gonna be two plugs on the car now you have to plug into and to give it
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hydrogen and plug in to give it i wonder if it will be like a current hybrid electric where you can use all gas and you could technically use all battery if you wanted to but it's only got like 50
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miles of range but you could you don't have to use both yeah so in the in the current plug-in
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plug-in electric plug-in hybrid world you can have a gas tank and an electric motor and the electric motors you can charge by a plug-in or you can just use the regeneration from what the gas
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engine system is doing yeah maybe that's also an option with hydrogen electric you only really add hydrogen and the
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electric battery however big it is gets recharged as you drive yeah and you can plug in if you want maybe that's how it
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yeah either way it's a concept car it looks like an 80s it's all about the look like back to the few i immediately
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thought it back to the future when i saw this car and like i i love this i want it i want it to exist hyundai if you're
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listening this is uh this is prime please bring top top end work right here yeah all the pictures also i love that they decided to do the because i'm i'm pretty sure these are renders yeah and i
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love that they decided to do renders in the rain of it like driving around real wheel drive like kicking the tires out
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on a track in the rain in the storm like that this even the wheels so sick even the wheels have like this futuristic
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wheels let's talk about the wheels for a second every new ev has to think about arrow right
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and most of them have some sort of a version of aerodynamic wheels arrow caps aero hubs whatever something about the wheel they just need to not have a normal like
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five spoke wheel because that's very draggy um and most of them look pretty ugly yeah
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you've seen the model 3 and model s is i think it's ugly i took mine off i don't like them but this it's just a disc and
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i assume if you push this around this is a 670 horsepower car on a track you need
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ventilation for the brakes so i don't see this staying on in an actual track scenario but purely visually
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i love it is that ventilation though so that's ventilation but is that enough ventilation for
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a track day with maybe like steel brakes carbon ceramic brakes maybe i don't know i don't know i don't know
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enough about like the logistics of making a car like this but all i know is that's the best looking arrow cap i've
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ever seen it it looks amazing it's just a plate yeah frisbee i just yeah a lot of these car manufacturers try to like
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make their electric stack look futuristic and it ends up just looking tacky but somehow hyundai manages to
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monday hyundai hyundai like sunday hyundai like sunday yeah okay good to see you yeah and then the the wheel is
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actually like a racing wheel it's like that logitech racing wheel we have in the studio here yeah yeah i want this to
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exist this looks really cool if i saw this i make this i don't know if there's any sort of price talk but if they if i
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saw this on the street i would immediately be like i love the 80s and i would straight up like i would trade in
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anything yeah this is this is a better done retro future car than the new delorean i'm just gonna say it yeah
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which would probably not even ship so yeah well this is a concept car too so that's another question yeah um
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yeah shout out to the design i also there is a second one that is a slightly different look let me find the name because this is also in the motor one article it is called the rn 22e
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based on the ionic six but it's a little more of like a sports car normal ev two-door type thing it still looks sick it's got the the big grille on the front it's got the slot
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headlights it definitely has porsche vibes yeah porsche which i like i like porsche i think i like the ionic 6 better than i like this car better than is that r22 yeah is that a
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hot take well the ionic six is going to be real and this is that is definitely a benefit
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this is a concept so i'm i'm happy with both i actually like this one better i need to see the back of this car if this
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rn 22e yeah here you go oh this is the back oh that's it looks like a it looks kind of like an amg with the wing i think i still like the ionic six better yeah which ionic six is nice
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talk about a glow up i am very impressed i saw um somebody uh we'll have to find it maybe we can put it in the show notes
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but i saw someone post like a history of hyundai hyundai yeah hyundai like sunday uh hyundai
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and it was like the generations like every 10 years their design and they actually do do that kind of
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like um textile design way back until like the 70s or 60s or something and then before
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that they're pretty ugly yeah yeah like they look like cheap cars for a while and then eventually they start looking pretty good and i've never even given them like a really a second thought until their ev lineup started to
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come out i think that's key so a lot of these companies underrated they have an opportunity to basically
00:27:36
completely rebrand where they sit in the market with the first evs that they make right and so hyundai is such a good
00:27:42
example because we have at least in the us we have a reputation that we assigned to hyundai which is these are 20 to 35
00:27:51
thousand dollar mid-range budget affordable economy cars and that's kind of all we think about them yeah the second the ionic 5 started showing up i was like okay that's different that is a
00:28:02
like sort of futuristic practical cool ev and now everything they've come out with
00:28:08
since then i kind of look at in this new light so everything electric that they do can fall under that new umbrella even
00:28:14
though it's still hyundai and that's that's a huge opportunity i don't know if the legacy car manufacturers with
00:28:20
huge reputations in markets like the us think about it the same way like ford they're just going to name it a mustang
00:28:26
whatever mustang lucky fine f-150 lightning right but if you were looking for the opportunity to rebrand
00:28:32
like hyundai might have been and like maybe what's another good example somebody who probably wants
00:28:37
smaller ones alfa romeo's not big here kia kia is having a renaissance that's for sure um i think i think that's kind of underrated about like this new generation of things that we're
00:28:50
seeing that's a good that's a good point especially in the u.s like i'm sure they have stronger polls in their like native
00:28:56
countries yeah but i mean like even i guess toyota doesn't really need to do that they
00:29:01
haven't really done it i i'm kind of disappointed in toyota so far because they only have like the bz4x which has
00:29:07
gotten really bad reviews so far um yeah i don't know i mean i i'll be glad if there's a lot a lot more good options on the market because for a while it was like
00:29:18
go yeah i would like to see honda do this too has honda done anything electric i haven't seen much i was just
00:29:25
behind a honda depressing i was behind a honda ridgeline pickup truck today on the way to the studio and i was like i
00:29:31
haven't seen one of those this looks so weird yeah i uh i am yeah i think also toyota has a bunch of
00:29:37
like stuff on the horizon we've talked about like that that mystery lineup where they showed a bunch of like oh
00:29:42
yeah this is a supra but electric but also 10 years in the future it feels like they're giving up their lead though because like the the default like
00:29:49
affordable pretty good car was like the camry and then the honda accord and i feel like neither of
00:29:55
those companies they're kind of they're kind of letting these other companies eat their yeah market share they're definitely
00:30:01
sitting on those and they'll still sell for a while yeah but at some point because there's also a huge price factor
00:30:07
totally when hyundai goes from like their economy roots to like the ionic four onyx ionics five ionic six like
00:30:14
those are 45 plus like they're a different price bracket so you change your reputation you get to change your price i think um it's really really hard
00:30:21
to make a good ev at that price right now so supply chain issues battery tech like that stuff may change over time and maybe someday we'll get a good 20 000 ev but since it doesn't exist yet
00:30:34
i guess it's mandatory to change your reputation if you want to sell it to the camera yeah 20k is really good but like
00:30:39
getting an eva 20k is not gonna be there like at 20k ev today does that exist it would probably not be
00:30:45
good with the current tech it would be like a half the battery size it would just not be good yeah so one thing i
00:30:51
will say about toyota is that they've been saying for a while now that they're putting all of their eggs in this
00:30:59
solid-state battery it's like a new battery that they want to replace lithium-ion batteries
00:31:04
um and they're saying they're going to start rolling out vehicles with that in it they say mid-decade sure so hopefully
00:31:11
their horizon yeah they're going to start punching big with the eyes but okay we'll have to see oh man i
00:31:18
that's one of those things that could either turn out to be like a face palm statement or like a told you so yeah it
00:31:24
could be a great like tesla's lead right now and evs is so dramatic because they've just been
00:31:30
cranking their gigafactories like they're all in yeah on lithium-ion battery production and just doing what
00:31:36
they're doing so toyota coming in 10 12 years later being like actually we've been working on this thing either it's better or it's uh you know who knows yeah isn't
00:31:48
that new tesla battery solid state though or am i crazy no they've just been working on so like the 4680 cells
00:31:54
we're talking about yeah they're still lithium ion but they're much they're they're more compact and they're they're closer together and there's less gaps
00:32:00
between cells and there's a whole bunch of things that are better energy density and overall tech is better than the 4680 cells right um but
00:32:08
i don't think they are a new entirely right technology but that's yeah tesla's tesla is constant they're a battery
00:32:15
company yeah basically like a tech and battery company ai and battery company so they're getting better at that but
00:32:20
yeah anyway thanks shout out to inspiration for hyundai that that i still need to try an ionic five and i
00:32:25
think six we're gonna get there um speaking of cars yeah oh there's another car thing on do we want to talk about this this is bmw we should we should briefly get into this yeah briefly okay
00:32:36
yeah well what's that i'm just gonna read the headline then yeah okay ign.com some bmw car features can only be
00:32:44
unlocked with micro transactions sub headline heated seat dlc now when i first read this i don't think this is the first time i've heard this like heated seats as a subscription
00:32:58
i actually just ran out on my car uh of the free trial of the connectivity package it's 10 bucks a month same yeah and uh so when i renewed it i paid the 10 bucks to to get another month and i
00:33:11
was just reading what i got and navigation is one of the things you don't get if you don't pay for what does that mean
00:33:17
meaning i don't pay for it and i get navigation you don't i don't it was in i mean this is what the app this is what
00:33:23
the app told me hold on let me pull up the app and see what i'm getting but i am paying a subscription for some of the features of my car is the point yeah and
00:33:30
that's not a new idea but it is kind of annoying that some of the most like basic hardware features are still going
00:33:37
to end up being yeah because my maps still work actually tesla's lied to me twice because
00:33:42
i am that old guy who hasn't updated my software since like a year ago because i
00:33:48
don't want i don't like the new ui so yeah oh right so you didn't upgrade every single time i parked my car i have
00:33:54
to hit cancel on the update so how what's happening now nothing they told me they told me that in march my uh my
00:34:01
navigation would stop working never stopped working i kept getting all these notifications being like if you don't
00:34:06
update it by this specific day your car is going to start start having problems never had any problems
00:34:12
i don't know i feel like it's all fake but like yeah they said like your your maps will stop working they said there
00:34:18
was some update to like because i think they used a t for their map data or something
00:34:23
and they said there was some change where an old thing was gonna be turned off and the update was important
00:34:29
because of that but like nothing is different i can still route i can still do everything the only thing i cannot do
00:34:35
is like stream through the spotify app on the car's dashboard but i would rather just use my phone's
00:34:41
bluetooth anyway most of the time i do that too yeah yeah yeah no i just but think about it though
00:34:48
when the hardware is there to do something and it's specifically it costs extra put to put it in the car and it's
00:34:54
not enabled on your car but it is enabled on somebody else's car that feels weird yeah like the heat the seat heater thing or a heated steering wheel
00:35:01
for example just doesn't like the fact that it's there and you can't use it unless you pay seems crazy i think from
00:35:07
a scale perspective when you're trying to make a ton of cars it actually makes sense for you to just make a ton of cars
00:35:14
and then eventually sell them versus making them to order right where you have to like put specific features in
00:35:21
and the sku is different then it's very specific you just make a ton of cars and then have everything off by default and
00:35:26
then you can turn it on if you pay i don't like the fact that you pay monthly i feel like
00:35:33
putting the hardware in and then saying like you can pay 200 if you want it enabled sure whatever
00:35:39
but turning everything into subscription service is like a slippery slope yeah it's like i feel like it's now already a question of how far can we push this
00:35:50
like how much can we turn into recurring revenue right i know um i'm just gonna go to the extreme imagine your car has
00:35:57
like 18 way power moving memory seats or whatever and you can't use any of that unless you pay per month it's like why what that seems crazy and they're
00:36:08
going to find where that line is what people are willing to pay for and not willing to pay for and they're going to get across the line they'll cross the
00:36:13
line somebody's going to cross someone was making a joke of like oh no i forgot to renew my break subscription yeah see
00:36:19
that's and that's obviously over the line but yeah where the gray area and they're somewhere yeah it's interesting
00:36:25
because like the the um just on time manufacturing that toyota actually like pioneered way back in the day that tesla
00:36:33
uses makes sense like make the car to spec and only make it when they order it so
00:36:39
that everything is efficient but at the same time there's the other angle of if you have so much demand you might
00:36:45
as well make every car exactly the same so you can move the you can move the production way faster and tailor it with
00:36:51
software after that there's probably a line where adding the hardware in but being able to
00:36:57
make more cars makes it cheaper for them than not adding the hardware in in certain
00:37:03
cars right yeah that's fair that is very fair yeah but the mental games are definitely
00:37:09
going to be interesting i found a list of what tesla enables with what i pay 10 bucks a month for okay so navigation is
00:37:15
included all the rest of this stuff is not unless you pay live traffic visualization satellite maps sentry mode video streaming my sentry mode still
00:37:26
works oh yeah but i didn't i watched maybe i don't have like a free trial still going or something no my trial
00:37:32
ended in march maybe maybe it's because i didn't update the car yeah it doesn't know the free trial is
00:37:37
over it's just like i'm i'm just going to keep doing my thing until i'm connected to the internet i'm down internet browser does your browser still
00:37:43
work i've not tried it i haven't tried it probably not music streaming is the other thing why would you use a browser on your car it i never do it i literally
00:37:51
just use my phone for everything and connect to bluetooth and it's way better yeah but interesting what was the other thing is
00:37:56
that it uh karaoke karaoke and and video streaming so then use the netflix and hulu apps and stuff yeah i charge in my garage i guess if i was like charging for half an hour if
00:38:07
you're super charging but i could also just watch on my phone or my laptop that's what i would i don't know i don't
00:38:13
know i feel like 10 a month is kind of steep for what they're offering but we'll see we'll see what people pay for
00:38:19
bmw will find out where that line is yeah anyway all right we got to take a quick
00:38:25
break but we're going to come back we got to talk about pixel 6a yeah but first a second trivia question
00:38:33
all right so we talk about rcs from time to time what does sms stand for i already know this i do too okay yeah we know it both we made our css
00:38:46
okay we made a whole video on this yeah okay we'll see okay count it it's in the bank
00:38:53
be right back [Music] all right welcome back we got another gadget last thing we want to talk about pixel 6a yep the review is out the phone
00:39:12
is out there and you can choose to get one and i have a hot take about it but i'm gonna wait till the end to give you that spicy okay so let's just go over
00:39:19
the phone itself um we already knew about pixel six pro we already knew about pixel six pixel six a is the
00:39:26
budget version in google's lineup it's 449 this year 449 us dollars and for that price you get the same tensor chip
00:39:34
and then cheaper things around it yep those cheaper things being a flat 1080p 60hz display
00:39:40
um i think it's only one spec 128 gigs of storage and six gigs of ram correct yeah um with the a series now it's about
00:39:48
a 400 milliamp hour battery which is pretty good and dual cameras and they are not the
00:39:54
same as the new pixel 6 and 6 pro cameras right it's an old 12 megapixel camera and an ultra wide
00:40:00
they took away the headphone jack the pixel 5a had a headphone jack the 6a does not have a headphone jack and they do not have wireless charging so those are two things to note some
00:40:12
people might not care about those things i can already see the comments because at this point as we record this i haven't finished the review yet but i
00:40:17
can already tell that when this comes out there will be comments in the review video saying i don't really care why do
00:40:23
you guys care so much about wireless charging it's not a big deal if you don't have it totally fair but if you do have wireless
00:40:28
charging now then you're gonna not like using wireless charging definitely so there's that
00:40:34
um and that's pretty much it it has the slower in screen fingerprint reader that the six pro also has which kind of
00:40:40
annoyed me uh did you like the design it kind of looks like the other pixels i like the design i i like that it's more
00:40:46
compact um 6.1 inches is still pretty big i loved pixel 5 i love pixel 4a um i think 449 yeah they they put the pixel 5a at 449
00:40:59
as well and pixel 4a was 349 which is just ways so good and pixel fourier was such an amazing phone with an amazing screen and so when you move it up a hundred
00:41:12
dollars there's a lot that you can get in the competition right yeah yeah um the cameras yeah i [Music] so they added new cameras in the pixel 6
00:41:24
pixel 6 pro they didn't really do anything with those new cameras yeah that was the worst part about it it's like they added
00:41:31
this huge 50 megapixel sensor that they were binning on and we were hoping like oh they've been using the same sensor for like four or five years now they've literally used it for like five years
00:41:43
pixel three pixel four pixel two four on two pixel two pixel 5 yeah yeah two through five was the exact same sensor
00:41:49
so they were getting a new sensor where like it's gonna be way better had a little bit more depth of field but the processing exactly the same
00:41:56
um so that said if they're not going to make it better besides the processing or besides like a
00:42:02
little bit more depth of field and maybe a little bit better low light performance than whatever yeah it's
00:42:09
still one of the best cameras you can get at that price point that's where i landed so i on one hand i've seen a lot of this
00:42:15
particular sony sensor and a lot of new phones we've tested the nothing phone has the same camera sensor as the rog
00:42:21
phone 6 which has the same camera sensor as the nord 2t which is the same camera sensor as like another phone we just
00:42:27
tested and it's it's like a b b plus sometimes camera yeah it doesn't really freeze motion very well it's kind of noisy at night but it's fine and so when i hear on paper that the pixel 6a
00:42:42
has a worse camera and older lower spec camera than the other 6 and 6 pro i think the natural instinct is oh darn
00:42:49
it's not going to be as good but it turns out it's the same sensor that they've been using for many many years
00:42:54
and they've got that pipeline down pat and the tensor chip is super fast it is one of the best cameras in any budget
00:43:00
phone i went around took photos with it took videos with it and i was very happy with it much more than a lot of
00:43:06
flagships these days the rg phone can't hold a candle in the camera department to the pixel 6a yeah so that was worth
00:43:13
noting um my big qualm with this phone is it's a pixel and lately we don't know how well these phones age right right they've had some
00:43:26
really odd performance issues and bugs and things have come up with pixels yeah and as of right now
00:43:33
60 hertz is one of those things where you either don't care at all or it is a bit of a turn off in buying a
00:43:40
phone because you can get 120 hertz in a budget phone pretty easily today even though the phone has the nothing phone the a53
00:43:50
the some poco phones like a lot of phones and three to four to five hundred dollars have 120 hertz displays yeah
00:43:58
and i can also already read the comments of people going i can't even tell the difference like who cares but
00:44:04
this is okay you know how the iphone se and the iphones are like some of the smoothest
00:44:10
60hz phones yeah this is one of the jankiest 60hz phones it is constantly i feel like i shouldn't
00:44:17
it's 60 hertz i shouldn't see dropped frames and choppy animations and i already do on day one and we know how
00:44:23
pixels age that's not a good start for me so like the tensor chip is powerful enough that
00:44:30
it launches apps quickly like when i hit the camera button it opens the camera quickly when i open a new app and like
00:44:37
swipe over the things load quickly but when i'm scrolling in the web browser when i'm like moving scrolling
00:44:44
the notification shade and moving between apps and the fact that i can like feel that it's definitely not high
00:44:50
refresh rate yeah it doesn't bother me so much now as much as i know it's going to not be as good in the future i mean
00:44:56
that's like memory versus processing right and that that was the worst thing about the pixel 6 series was that i was
00:45:02
reviewing the 60 reviewing the pro and neither of us had almost any issues in the first two weeks and then over time it just got glitchier and jinkier and glitchier and jiggier
00:45:13
uh and so yeah it's it's it's kind of sad i feel like the the mid-ranged pixels surprisingly with like the mid-range qualcomm chips have been the most stable so the pixel 5
00:45:24
really stable pixel 4a really stable but every time they make a high-end pixel it ends up being jakey but now the problem with this is this is technically mid quote-unquote mid-range but it's got
00:45:35
a tensor chip so it's using the same processor yeah um that could be a bad thing because it is
00:45:41
smaller with a smaller battery and the battery life we got kind of middle of the road not
00:45:48
amazing battery life yeah i don't know i mean maybe 60 hertz will help it um it's been okay for me it's another thing where like i do have a wireless charger in my car and i'm at my desk and like not
00:46:00
being able to with some phones it's fine if you don't have great battery life you can just like casually leave it on the wireless charger um
00:46:07
but yeah no that that it was fine yeah i mean if you want to get the true material you experience
00:46:13
this is like the cheapest way to do it technically but i think for like prime day the pixel
00:46:18
6 was like 100 bucks off which only makes that 50 dollars more than this phone um yeah so if you want 90 hertz
00:46:26
wireless charging everything the pixel 6 does there's that i do like this one feels
00:46:31
very dense which is kind of a nice feeling it definitely it feels denser than like the nothing
00:46:36
phone yeah that was kind of funny we're like holding them side by side and like the premium feel i'm doing air quotes
00:46:42
the like premium feeling phone was was actually the pixel 6a because you're holding metal and glass but also
00:46:48
it's like a little bit more compact and heavier you know like this density it feels good yeah um but are you ready for
00:46:54
my hot take i'm ready if you give the nothing phone the pixel 6a's camera it is the best budget phone in the world
00:47:06
yeah i think that's a hot take i think that the only pushback you're gonna get on that is the people that want a budget
00:47:11
phone that can play games with the frame right exactly that's why i think it's a hot tape because there's like the other phones that have flagship
00:47:17
processors that are around the same price definitely so in like the in the normal everyday day-to-day use i think
00:47:23
that would hold up pretty strong yeah and i think as soon as you get to like comparing it with the ones that did put
00:47:29
a snapdragon 8 gen 1 in there or even the iphone sc the ones that have powerful chips that can play games for a
00:47:35
while yeah then you'll see the difference but uh yeah the nothing phone is actually smoother than my pixel 6 pro
00:47:42
yeah whatever they did with the optimization and i guess it's probably a lot of the same team that work for oneplus very smooth
00:47:48
very different from the pixel material u is just kind of glitchy i think that's the problem like we even talked about how the nothing phone is almost very
00:47:55
like stockish and pixel like it feels like an older pixel that didn't have material you and was very just like
00:48:02
this is android it has a lot of material you stuff yeah i mean they've got like the the notification shade is the color
00:48:08
of your wallpaper and all that stuff it's just they don't have the weird widgets and that kind of frankie stuff they have their own
00:48:13
dot yeah matrix stuff yeah with like one or two apps that feels not finished yeah
00:48:19
i don't know nft widget okay and flashing lights on the back and fake tesla widget that doesn't do anything it
00:48:24
doesn't work i i don't know yeah so 449 i guess if you want the best mid-range camera there's that and then if you want a pixel which i mean people were complaining that apparently
00:48:36
the nothing phone because it's using the snapdragon 778 plus that chipset is only going to be supported by qualcomm through android 14
00:48:48
right which means the pixel and the pixels always get at least three full years of software updates
00:48:54
so this i'm assuming launch with android 11 so it'll get 12 13 and 14. guarantee uh
00:49:01
guaranteed and then the nothing phone will probably only get sorry i meant uh i think that nothing phone's only going
00:49:06
to get android wait we're not we're not on 11 jeez this is hard okay we're on android 12.
00:49:12
yeah nothing phone is android 12. 13 is in beta right now nothing vote i think and i need to double check this
00:49:20
qualcomm is only officially supporting that chip 313 whereas whereas uh the pixels will go through for android 14 and probably fifth 12 13
00:49:31
and 14 at least we're already on 12. so we'll go through 15. so that's uh that's going to be a notable difference in like
00:49:37
two to three years when the nothing phone maybe stops getting updates yeah we'll get security updates because carl
00:49:42
said three years of security but if you want full android os updates right got it yeah however the nothing phones boot
00:49:48
loader can be insanely easy easily unlocked right flash lineage os or something on there if you want it's
00:49:55
gonna be up to the people like this is uh it's also around the same price around the same price yeah so
00:50:01
yeah i think if you value so here's who i'd recommend gets a pixel 6a you are coming from an older or another budget phone that's also 60 hertz so you're not going to mind 60 hertz again
00:50:13
and you want google smarts and features yeah and or a really good camera the voice the instant tensors like instant voice recognition
00:50:24
voice to text is amazing that's amazing like the recorder app the speech to text and texting people everything about that
00:50:29
is amazing better than the iphone se would be at that price um and the camera you get an ultrawide that the iphone se
00:50:35
doesn't have and you're just going to miss out on like really really high-end top-end performance right because
00:50:41
obviously you know for the ship tensor doesn't really have the ultra high end performance and we'll see how it ages shrug we'll see yeah i mean it's a higher performing chip than the 778g
00:50:54
plus it is i don't know but if you can't feel it is it if you can't feel it yeah that's a good
00:51:01
point yeah with the yeah true if it's 60 hertz it's like if you're rendering a game at 80 fps but you're on a 60hz
00:51:08
screen exactly doesn't matter exactly if you have the phone with 120hz screen but it can only get up to 90. it's still
00:51:13
going to feel better than the phone that's locked at 60. right so yeah that's pixel 6a the review should also
00:51:20
be up by the time this podcast goes live so check that video out if you haven't seen it already
00:51:25
but i think that is about it for this week have some gadgets have some cars that's about right i think it's only right that we
00:51:32
end with some trivia all right and that is it let's do it trivia answers so the first question oh
00:51:39
this one i forgot to think about it yeah i don't i don't think i knew this is bravia oh it's bravia right yeah what
00:51:44
does sony's tv brand bravia stand for okay you want to go first okay so i definitely recently learned this because i was on a sony briefing and they said what it meant yeah and i could not
00:51:57
believe that that's what it meant i think it was the same thing for me but also real quick and you both close your laptops to ensure no cheating but i'm
00:52:03
writing it too late thank you it's definitely like let's see br um it's definitely like entertainment
00:52:14
services there's no ian bravia bravia it's like it's not a cohesive like sentence it's just a bunch of words i think it's a phrase with an and in the
00:52:29
middle i think the a stands for and can i submit that is that your final answer is the 50th of
00:52:35
a point but the a stands for answer that the a stands for and the speed at which you went to the button makes me assume
00:52:40
that i'm wrong so i'm going to not lock that in yet all right um br okay so i think it's like brilliant
00:52:49
brilliant a oh alright already beautiful wow is it so is each letter in bravia a new word or
00:53:02
did they combine some of them they combined something no no a new word every one is a new word
00:53:07
b-r-a-v-i-a that's a lot yup is v video [Music] he wrote down audio a okay a is audio b is the b b
00:53:43
bull led bright brilliant right it's not bright bright bright vr our audio video
00:53:56
no one's getting any points no one's gonna get away yeah this is you might as well just tell us all right the instant for and
00:54:03
best resolution audio video integrated architecture bravia best resolution best resolution best resolution this trivia question brought to you by
00:54:17
ellis wow they're just saying all the time that they are the best no that is a really bad acronym i would argue it's
00:54:28
the best background they had no reason to go guys you know what bravo should stand for best resolution
00:54:34
audio why did they make the word bravia they just thought it sounded cool yeah it was just a cool word they were like
00:54:39
we have the best resolution audio video integrated architecture what can we name it
00:54:45
and they're like what if we just take all the letters best resolution audio doesn't mean as
00:54:51
much to me as video because is there like an audio component of bravia tv probably the only that's a
00:54:56
great question i feel like it's just like so based on a name because maybe audio video integrated integrated
00:55:03
maybe yeah well that's zero points for both of us on that one i mean we could have guessed it'd be something weird
00:55:08
because it's sony but yeah well that was something weird yeah so for sure what is the model name of
00:55:14
the third problem no chances in 1976. yeah do you want to say at the same time yeah okay okay you guys talk about rcs from time to time but what does sms stand can you guys count down and then
00:55:25
we'll say three two wait wait wait is it on go or is it after go it it's rock paper scissors says go it's
00:55:32
always on go it's always it's on go yeah three two one go three two one go okay three
00:55:38
two one short messaging why'd you say that i was waiting for after go short messaging chairs he said it was on go well you can't say it as he's saying go
00:55:48
so i waited right after go but also rcs rich message communication services sorry rich communications wait were you going to say short were you going to say simple i was going to say short but also
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rcs sms is there other stuff there's mms oh multimedia messaging service is there other stuff that's kind of it and then there's imessage so the final score
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marquez has three andrew has two from last time oh yeah and david now has two because we gave you a point from last
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time when you helped out andrew yeah there you go remember last time when andrew didn't even give me a chance
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then he got it wrong last week oh because we're doing this thing now where whoever has less points starts they answer first all right
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so if so next time we're on whoever has less points gets the answer first and if then they don't get it then the person
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after who's winning can steal we're working on a better way to do this yeah it's a whole it's a hole for now that's how we'll do it oh we'll get there and
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uh andrew told us to say about then the hyundai car i forgot to say this he told
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us that in his absence he wanted to say uh that car nice we'll put that thanks yeah you can just use the thing or whatever it is
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