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[Music] hello world welcome back to the waveform podcast we're your robots i'm marquez it's happening and
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i'm andrew and in today's episode we're talking uh well we just got samsung's unpacked
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event this week so we're gonna talk a lot about my real thoughts on the z fold three and the z flip three but we also have a couple other things that we're gonna just dive into quickly beforehand
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before we get absolutely lost in the in the weeds of all those new folding flippy phones um
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but first this morning we had a little iphone thing come up yeah i was like a little confused because you
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just you like turned to me and went do you really think they're gonna skip iphone 13 because it's unlucky and i was
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just like that was way too nonchalant you can't just say that to me who who wants to
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skip it who where these rumors come from i've only ever heard the term iphone 13 yeah well i mean i guess it could be 12s
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is the other option and but the the logic is that some other smartphone companies in the past have skipped certain numbers for various reasons one plus and four one
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plus and notably a bunch of chinese companies avoid the number four because the translated number four is
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like sounds like the word for death or something like that and it's it's not just unlucky but they just avoid that
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and like all press and naming of things in those countries so cool great uh but also like people skip numbers all the
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time like samsung went galaxy s one two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven
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twenty twenty one so i mean apple has skipped nine they just went straight from exactly they did eight and 10 x whatever you want to call it yeah um
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i don't know my i have a couple things you've mentioned before that ios has a 13. so clearly
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apple isn't that worried yeah 13 by the way for those unfamiliar is an unlucky number in the us anyway it's like a it's
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sort of a mild superstition type thing 13 is unlucky oh okay but yeah there are other apple products
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with the number 13 already in the name i noted that none of them are hardware products yeah we have ios 13.
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uh i think joanna stern also pointed out on twitter we have a 13-inch macbook pro
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i would argue that was not quite as but like yeah even still even though it's not hardware like
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software being named 13 if they were really that superstitious about it they would skip it yeah um
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12s also doesn't solve the problem because there would still be a 13 when we saw the 6s we still saw a seven so
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it's still going to get to 13 so it doesn't really matter and while i i didn't really hear this rumor at all
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um there was an end gadget article that stated nobody's expecting it to be called the iphone 13 for obvious reasons
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i thought that maybe that was sarcasm really broad i i don't know we need a sarcasm like a
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circus or something exactly but like i guess my argument would just be if we want to go a little different here i think the new iphone should be called the 12s and you think that because of
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the logical reason which is it is a small upgrade from the 12. it is a small upgrade with
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what we're assuming is all the same design language so i know there was argument that the 11 should be called
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the 11s but i do think there is enough of a design difference to where you held i mean flat edges sure but i do think
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they looked pretty different like there are two that you can very easily and distinguishably tell the difference when
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you're holding them or see them in public at least without a case on very different whereas this if we're
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assuming it's going to keep i mean if it looks like the models that we got flat edges the cameras are ever so slightly
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different but other than that if the notch maybe the notch changes a little bit i think we're not introducing anything too new that we know of yet 12s would make perfect sense yeah i mean at this point
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the difference in designs versus iphones is always pretty subtle yeah and i've noticed apple i mean everyone's noticed this but apple always has something on the outside of the phone to make it
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visibly identifiable as the new iphone like when you saw the iphone 10 obviously you had that new form factor
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in the notch but then when you had the iphone 11 well 10s was the same body yes so there was no outside difference when
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you got to 11 the camera bump became that thing yep so everyone could see the camera bump when you got to 12 the flat
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sides became that thing it was a slightly new design yeah so if we're expecting iphone 12s or 13 or whatever
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the next one is to be the same design then your logic makes sense but i think they're just going to
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straight up stop doing that adjustment and they're just going to start doing number number number iphone 12
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13 14 15 and the s is done they're going to do an sc probably still but they're going to do a pro and a pro max and all that stuff every year i think that they should do that because 12 s pro max
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is too weird i i mean that's the logic yeah no i don't can't argue with you there i think it should be the best way because apple we've always commended as being one of the like the best naming scheme because it's
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so simple and adding s especially when you also have s e feels confusing to the average person so
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you should just know the next number up is the newest one yeah like that's all you need to know s
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doesn't mean small s doesn't mean like side grader i don't know it's just like the new one is the next number
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that's all it is and i i don't think they skipped 13 at all i don't know if that's a hot date but i
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really i would bet money against that yeah i think it's the 13. uh we had some people saying maybe it would be uh just
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the new iphone or something like that x iii is that roman numeral room for 13 yeah
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yeah that would be and that would be xiv for 14. but you know the thing about like just calling it the new iphone if i
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could go back to that it could it could work because in ipad world that's also what they do it's the ipad pro and if
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you ever want to refer to it specifically you can by year so the newest ipad pro the 2021 ipad pro
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versus the last gen maybe you refer to it by the chip you have the m1 ipad pro versus the a14
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by ipad pro nobody really says these things out loud but usually it's just the newest ipad pro
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and iphone could live in that world where it's just the newest iphone the 2021 iphone the 2022 iphone but the
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reason i don't think they do that is because the naming structure of the iphone is a little bit too iconic to
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just drop that entirely yeah i think you change phones a little more often than you do macbooks tablets stuff like that so like
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especially in a resale market where phones are resold so easily it just makes the resale market much easier to
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know what you're getting imagine like going on ebay and looking for the uh the iphone
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10 except that it was just called like the iphone 20 from the year yeah exactly like that
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just makes it so much harder yeah that's probably about all there is to say about that it's iphone coming up
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in uh september if it's not delayed we're expecting to see that pretty soon and that being said i don't i think it
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should be called 12s i think it will be if i put money on it it would be 13 though right right just from what i
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expect from apple i have a kind of new one that got released a new article a new product that got released
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this morning or announced this morning i saw you like firing away at your keyboard over there and i have no idea what you're talking
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about but it has something to do with chrome os okay i'll fill me in i'll go in here i this was something adam sent
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us this morning and at first i was like neat and then i read it and i was like i actually find this wildly interesting
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and like this i think is is really really cool and it's i kind of have a hot take on it which i think would makes
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it that great but i'll explain it a little bit more here um so hp is creating a chrome os desktop they're
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calling it the chrome aio desktop which means all-in-one um oh god i put a picture here i'm gonna try and explain it tell me if you think this sounds nice imagine a
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the first google home has a cone and then on top of that is almost like an ipad so a screen so we have essentially imagine an all-in-one desktop where it is the base is like a
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fabric covered cone speaker and then there's a large screen tablet looking thing on top oh it
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rotates it rotates portrait to landscape and it has a webcam and it also has a wireless keyboard and mouse so this is a chrome os based desktop it is
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real quick i'm going to go over specs but i think i just have like i'm just really interested in this because i think chrome os and
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chromebooks in general are super interesting and like kind of revolutionary in a weird way um so it is
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21.5 inch 1080 uh ips touch screen that rotate rotates from landscape to portrait we mentioned
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that you can either get a dual core pentium gold or a core i3 16 gigs of user expandable ram and an ssd up to 256 now let's just remember specs on chrome os and like chromebooks
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in general are pretty low because they don't take a lot of computing power if you're using them it's generally all web-based stuff yes
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um and like apps because it uses the play store so but okay so i i just want to look at the price real quick yeah 600 dollars so 600 for a desktop with a 21 inch
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1080p touchscreen is like kind of nice solid um you said pentium gold dual core pentium gold or uh core i3 is definitely on the lower end but then 16
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gigs and a 250 68 ssd is on the higher end so okay 16 gigs is on the higher end 256 ssd is it's like definitely i would
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call that lower and ssd if it was like nvme or actually it just listed ssd i don't know what i
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guess uh hard drives should be gone hard drives i shouldn't give you credit for not using it don't yeah okay
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all right so i'm with you so far i think i'm with you so far chrome os only so it's going to have auto rotate but
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obviously it's just chrome so you're going to be using chrome you need as much ram as you can get so yeah lots of lots of ram chrome os i think i'm with
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you so like in my eyes chromebooks are pretty amazing because so many people who get a
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laptop are only using it for like web browsing watching youtube if they're doing schoolwork they're doing it in
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google docs answering emails like almost everyone who comes to me that i know isn't a big tech person that asks for a
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laptop recommendation i almost always just suggest a chromebook because they're so they're 300 bucks usually
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they'll last a decent amount of time maybe not as long as a regular laptop but it's also 300 it's like a third of
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the price of a macbook it's definitely been the best part for me about recommending a chromebook it's if i can ask you what programs you need to use
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and you answer that question in websites i can give you a chrome chrome exactly you're going to go gmail you're going to
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go you know google search youtube and netflix and all these things it's like oh great yeah you can definitely use a chromebook here's something half the
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price of what you thought you're going to have to exactly i bought claire one at costco years ago and it's still
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running and it's she still uses it every day um so here's my kind of hot take on
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this um okay all right i think this might make a lot of people mad which is kind of why it's a hot take but just hear me out here okay i think
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this pulls off the category the newest imacs tried to get into better than the newest imax so like let's think about how apple sold the latest imax right we did those
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bright colors they were an all-in-one stand with their screen they sold this as this is a computer we want you to put
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as a family computer in the common areas of your house your living room your kitchen your family room stuff like that
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for the family to use most likely generally web-based stuff watching youtube videos they want it in the
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kitchen so you might watch cooking videos or pull up recipes or be able to facetime with someone yep
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but all of that was in a you know that doesn't have touch screen i mean sure the specs on the imac are
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way better than this it runs apple all that but i don't think that's all needed for the thing it's trying to sell it as
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this is a good looking it looks good it looks like it could run like in your family room whatever it's
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not sticking out like a sore thumb like a big desktop tower is it has touch screen and rotates so it's easy for
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video calls or pulling up long recipes or something like that in your kitchen it has a wireless keyboard and
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mouse nice and easy looks like it has a speaker on the base to me this looks like an easier and
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most of all way cheaper i'd be much i'd much rather pay 600 bucks to put this in my kitchen and be
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like a dedicated i'm in the kitchen i'm using it to facetime not facetime video calls you could facetime sure yeah video call i'm using it for recipes i'm
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using it to just like watch videos or something like that while i'm in my kitchen this looks like
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it pulls that off better than the imac you know what you you swayed me you sold me i think i buy it the only oh
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interesting thing yeah one more one more argument okay it also uses android apps via the play store so this is a way
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better thing for smart home control in your living room in your kitchen stuff like that you can download all i mean it
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obviously has google assistant and you can download all your different smart home control apps in it so now you have
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a rotating or whatever touch screen in your living room in your kitchen that you're now controlling your lights you're controlling your nest you're
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controlling all your general smart home stuff through that looking at your nest cameras and stuff like that yeah yeah
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it's funny when i remember reviewing the imac and thinking like oh apple is very very
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almost hell-bent on making sure we understand that this is not just a normal computer it's supposed to be your
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family room everyday multi-purpose like friendly computer and and actually like the way this one looks better i think it's got the fabric on the stand then it's got black bezels and
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it it actually rotates which is really interesting i don't know i don't know exactly what i would rotate
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my desktop to portrait four all the time i think the fact that you can do it is cool
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um in some of those scenarios like say a recipe for example now i'm getting more screen real estate because a recipe
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doesn't really benefit from lengthwise real estate but if you have a list of ingredients you are benefiting
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there or uh some people even like it better for like video calls yeah sometimes portrait is a little different
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especially if you're a video calling someone on a phone it's just going to that's going to be the standard aspect ratio or whatever that they're
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probably using anyways so it fits better the one thing i would still give the advantage to apple for and this is kind
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of something they continually do anyway in all of their budget products is it's overpowered to the point where it's just going to be way more future-proof than anything else in his class now the imac
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is still a thousand dollars it's still more expensive than this but if i were to bet which one is going to get
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software updates and run smoothly for longer it's definitely the imac kind of the same way the iphone se
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is like an impressive chip in an older body but it's going to get software updates and run smoothly probably just
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as long if not longer than any other android phone in its price category so it's kind of about what you want but i
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buy your hot take that's much better than my hot tech with fahrenheit last time so i think it's a good one i will
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say my one con i put put on here is generally be and this is anecdotal evidence but chrome books i've thought
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don't have as long of a lifetime especially compared to apple products so i definitely agree with you and i think
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we all agree i'm not trying to say this is more powerful than an imac no i think generally the imac for a sit-down
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computer blows us out of the water but the fact that it adds a rotating screen and touchscreen makes it seem like more of a home almost not even a computer it's
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like bridging its gap into just like being part of your space at home better than imac does imac is still a computer
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and you have to use it as a computer yep it's mac os do you in a in a family room computer is a
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touch screen the move so i i see it as that when i think of it as like so the kitchen scenario works the best here because a lot of times in a like when i think about imac talking saying put it in your
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kitchen like you still have a keyboard and a mouse i can't imagine having like stuff out on my countertop
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chopping and measuring and and washing stuff off while also using a keyboard and mouse there this that gets pushed
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away i have my touch screen i can scroll through everything yes but your hands are covered in stuff that you were
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chopping but we all use our phones doing that anyways yeah i'm not that worried about that um and and then when it's in
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the living room you know i don't personally have a computer in my living room i haven't i mean growing up
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i had one i feel it's crazy now that everyone has computers on their own when they're children um we generally used to
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have them in the family room where we couldn't get in trouble on them but um having in a family room and still having the ability to control your music or
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control your smart home stuff by just like walking past the desks and pressing a couple buttons on the screen yeah that
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does feel like it integrates a tad better than an imac makes sense i like it well i'm gonna keep an eye out for it
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i don't know that we're gonna end up getting one but i kind of like that there are pretty sick desktops out there now i'm really terrible terrible name
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absolutely awful name uh chrome aio is that how you say it ai chrome hey i'm i'm guessing it's literally just the letters a i o i o a o a o a i o a
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not going to say it out loud but that's uh that's it for the chrome os samsung has had their unpacked event
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where uh it kind of kicks off smartphone season for us usually around this time of year because i feel like the floodgates have just began
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to open we're about to get a bunch of phones in august even more in september even more in october but it's the
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samsung event two folding phones also two watches also some galaxy buds too galaxy buds two pretty small update but they do have anc and they're 150 bucks and they're very smooth they look like
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easter candy they're extremely smooth yeah or at least the purple ones and then they got two watches the uh sort of
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a classic version and a modern version of a similar spec with the new software but i think we're just gonna talk about
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the phones for right now because there are plenty of thoughts on these two so which one you want to start with we have
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the fold three and we have the flip three let's just start with fold okay fold three four three all right so
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fold three looks a lot like the fold two we've done by the way video hands-on of both of them are already up by the time
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you see this and we've got the phones in hand uh but yeah it's uh it looks very similar to the fold two but there's a bunch of really interesting choices that they made new specs is not a surprise snapdragon
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812 gigs of ram and all the specs but uh a couple things they changed on the outside number one you've got a almost the same outside cover screen but it's 120 hertz
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that is nice i remember complaining and being a little bit jarred by switching back and forth between 60 and 120 yeah
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that was the biggest thing is that it wasn't continuous between the phone like it wasn't fluid between them they made
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that majestic update on the inside and the outside was still 60. so now it's 120 and i really liked using it felt
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like a normal phone obviously it's still a big candy bar shape but that's a good upgrade didn't you say it's also like
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18 pixels larger than last year yeah it is it is a weird it is uh i want to pull up let me
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pull up the exact number because it is kind of funny technically we do have a different resolution hold on it was like a low
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enough number to the point where i don't know where where it could have gained those pixels
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i think it's maybe literally just like rounding of the corners either rounding off corners or my guess was like the
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hole punch uh it's the same whole point i mean okay here's the here's the numbers fold two
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cover screen 6.2 inches 2260 by 816 fold three 6.2 inches 2268 832. so the pixels per inch went from 386 to 387. it's like 32 more pixels right 16 and 16. it said no 8 and
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taller and about a dozen pixels wide yeah wow yeah that's it 20 pixels so yeah basically the same size 6.2 inch covers i want to know those exact new pixels we got yeah i'm not sure where
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they came from but there they are um i really like the new hinge is much better it's a strengthened solid aluminum now
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um i think they call it armored aluminum i'm not gonna give them too much credit for it it's metal yeah thanks but the
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phone is now ipx8 water resistant i don't know about you but i thought this was really cool i thought that was
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a big deal but it's not exactly that's exactly how i felt when you explained it to me thank you okay so
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it's ipx8 not ip68 so immediately like wow amazing water resistance that's crazy usually these these folding phones are also concerned about like don't breathe on it too hard
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and suddenly you can dip it under water and it's fine but ipx8 means the eight the eight if you
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just break down what ipx8 means the eight is the water resistance part the x is for dust resistance they have not
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tested or certified the dust resistance so real quick is that true in all phones
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with ip ratings the first number is dust the second number is water correct okay yeah that that was a very helpful thing
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that i did not know about but the video shows it's a little harder to say for audio listeners but yeah right
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x is the first quote-unquote number and it is x because it is not rated and a is
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the rating for water because it's the second number so you see a lot of like headphones or like ipx5 that's just
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because it's a lower level of water resistance ipx8 means you can literally like submerge it or like you know spray
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water on it from any angle and it'll survive so that's great uh but the nemesis you already know some youtube channel is going to put it underwater and it's going to see how long before it turns off and i get it i'll watch it i think
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that's cool but yeah uh the thing that's been damaging folding phones and giving them the bad reputation is the dust and david and i were talking about this we're like well if it was
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going to be fully airtight they would have rated it for dust resistance they would have
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tried to prevent that so clearly i think you know obviously them paying and getting it certified makes me want to be happier about its durability but i'm not going to go all out on a limb and say
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these phones are a next level of durability versus previous folding phones i just think the hinge is that
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much more airtight that they can finally certify it but still be careful with it it is really interesting that
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what like somehow water can't get in but dust potentially could get in just get in fighting about that fine dust like really fine particles i mean and like you said dust has kind it
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sounds weird to say dust is the enemy of folding phones but like do you remember when those first ones came out so many of the problems that happened were
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somebody would just see like a little bump in their screen and wonder what is that something got through the hinge
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underneath the screen and then that screen was generally broken fairly quickly afterwards yeah it's the kiss of death it's just a little little bit of
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dust that's all it takes um it just made me think of zack's video where he like ground up a bunch of uh
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that was rough it was never going to survive that so but you know you do have ipx8 now um like 120 hertz on the outside what else new camera bump on the
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back is a little bit smaller but it is a refreshed triple camera setup good to see we'll test it of course for the full
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review slightly thinner two millimeters thinner and about 10 grams lighter for the whole phone it still like feels the same to my hands like it's a nice like solid stiff hinge
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and all that is great um but that does mean it has a slightly smaller battery 4 400 milliamp hours to 4500 and uh i mentioned that because i'm i'm
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curious what the battery life is going to be i am very interested now you have a 120 hertz on the outside
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so we'll see what the battery life is like and we'll test that but 4 400. but i think the the most interesting
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change is on the inside i think that's a safe that's a safe statement i mean it's the fold it's literally a phone call
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based around the the inside yes that's a cold take uh so the inside the crease is just as as relevant it's basically the
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same size and resolution and aspect ratio and 120 hertz and all that but you have a 30 harder screen protector over the glass
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cool yeah it's great cool um they've also made it s pen compatible big asterisk yeah okay explain the asterisks and then i'll say my take on that so so there's a
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there's a special new s pen for the galaxy fold that's the it's the s pen fold edition actually um
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yeah the way the s pen is designed is it has a soft it has a tip the way a normal stylus tip will be a fine point but it's
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it's soft touch and it actually retracts into the pen when you put enough pressure on it okay so the easiest way to damage one of these is to really
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carve like with a fine tip hanging in the screen protector so this one is designed to prevent that from happening
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it's a special s pen for this phone um s pen fold edition then there's also a new these are both optional by the way i was gonna say these are optional not included with the phone but there's also a new s pen
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uh pro i believe it's called and it's bigger it's more expensive it has a battery built in it charges via
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usbc and it has on-board memory and it will let you copy and paste things between samsung devices i thought that was pretty cool that is one of
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those things that i think is awesome and almost no one will use i i'm sure somebody is like
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freaking out and their workflow just got way way easier and they're super hyped and i'm super happy for you i can't see
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myself ever using it but i think it's really cool there's some people on the ecosystem who have a samsung phone and a
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samsung tablet or samsung laptop and this is going to be sweet um but that pen has a literal physical
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hardware switch on it to switch between regular s pen mode and galaxy fold mode and i actually when i was just in the the shooting area was spending my first hours with the phone i didn't flip that
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switch and i went right to like trying to pair it with the phone and a warning popped up i think because maybe the
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phone realized somehow recognized that i was poking it with a stylist of some kind and i put that warning in the video
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it literally says like hey don't use styluses that aren't fold compatible if you do use an s pen pro flip it to s
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pen uh flip it to fold mode and so i flipped it and then you know retracts more easily and then it works that's what it does it retracts it so easily yeah okay um yeah i think i mean
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i think you put it a little lightly saying that the um and you were just explaining but you were saying how the folds generally its worst enemy besides
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dust has been little nicks in the screen and we've seen especially on the fold one it got better in the fold too but i
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still think it was a an issue around there is like you could basically carve out pieces of the screen like it would
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indent and then that screen's it's flexible it's fragile it's like that's really bad people were doing it
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with their fingernails that's the first one so like to introduce s-pen to me seems like a really bold move
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it automatically makes me think maybe i mean if i'm being optimistic about it it makes me think the screen has gotten a
00:27:14
lot better at least a lot more durable um because i don't see why they would ever bring it upon themselves to
00:27:21
introduce another way of the full breaking like why would you want to go through those headlines again
00:27:27
yeah um so they must be pretty confident we're assuming that this retractable thing works all the time i can see the
00:27:34
time it doesn't or you know people are messy something gets in there that s pen uh
00:27:39
tip gets stuck and now you're all of a sudden carving into your eighteen hundred dollar phone we haven't mentioned the price yet eighteen hundred
00:27:46
dollars that's yeah still very expensive obviously i my take on this is samsung knows that not very many people will be buying
00:27:57
both this phone and the optional s pen and so that small group of people who do will take good care of it because you at that point have to buy the phone buy the s pen maybe buy the case so you
00:28:09
can carry around the thing with the phone does the case hold the pro version also because the pro version i think so
00:28:14
like 30 to 40 bigger very big bigger big yeah it's probably one and a half times the size it's kind of like something
00:28:21
you'd find maybe attached to it's like an apple pencil like an actual pencil yeah like how we don't reference real
00:28:26
pencils anymore because no one knows the size of a real pencil anymore who's using ticonderone i can't remember the
00:28:31
last time i held a pencil to be perfectly honest with you i haven't held a pencil in a long time um no yeah so it's way bigger i don't
00:28:38
think you're gonna carry that around with the phone but yeah that person now has spent so much over two grand i'm
00:28:44
assuming at this point you've bought the case you bought the phone you bought the s pen that group of people is gonna take careful notes and take good care of
00:28:50
their screen and if you really get that far and start to damage the screen like what happened something went wrong
00:28:56
samsung's very trustworthy i trustful on that one yeah i think they did the math on that um but yeah it does it is s pen supported
00:29:03
now and i think there's gonna be people who find that really nice because it's a bigger canvas than the galaxy note yeah
00:29:09
it's a huge 120 hertz it makes perfect sense in a ideal scenario it's just i don't know if i fully would as samsung have the confidence in it i appreciate they have the confidence and it yeah
00:29:20
like i said optimistically it makes me think the screen has gotten more durable i don't know why they would introduce
00:29:26
that unless it really has this makes me think the note can't possibly die the galaxy note can't possibly be dead
00:29:34
after this i don't know how this you got to that conclusion like potentially introducing a different version of a different version of the note but
00:29:44
they're like obviously touting the s pen with this yeah yeah i think it's just because it's such a workaround it's such
00:29:50
an asterisk a specific fold edition s pen was made for this like it's a special pen
00:29:57
a special case needs to be bought for it a special mode needs to be used on the other one and like i like that for this
00:30:04
1800 phone they've enabled one more use case but it's still very clear to me that the
00:30:11
best stylist experience is the one that comes from the one that's built into the phone
00:30:17
i don't see how the the note dies after this one it's it just doesn't make mental sense to me i i still know that the rumors are pointing to it dying soon and it's crazy but
00:30:28
that's i think what scares me more is that the rumors aren't even really talking about it anymore which makes me
00:30:34
think that's way cool that means we're almost there i s i mean little tangent we still have a couple things about the
00:30:40
full to talk about but i think if they really like you know this big canvas an expensive phone with
00:30:46
an s pen maybe replacing the note the note should turn into a budget s stylus option
00:30:52
budget large screen stylus option for the people that we've talked about in the past that are using it in a more
00:30:57
blue collar situation where they need people who need a quick way to illustrate something in front of
00:31:03
somebody on a job site and and not be a thousand dollars and not be 1800 like i don't want to be on in a construction
00:31:09
website or a construction site with a full then 1800 filled that break where there's dust everywhere exactly yeah right yeah um but there is two more things i have written down that i want
00:31:20
to talk about one is like very new which is the under screen selfie camera we have to talk about that
00:31:27
we got a little tangent on the pen there yeah okay so uh there's multiple multiple selfie cameras on this phone yes on this on this folding phone so you've seen you've probably imagined
00:31:38
this before but on the outside cover screen there is still a hole punched off the camera and if you really really want a high
00:31:44
quality selfie you can unfold it and use the main cameras as your selfie camera because the viewfinder is also on the outside boom easy if you happen to be on the inside and maybe still want to take
00:31:56
a selfie without closing it at that point samsung has included underneath the folding display
00:32:02
a behind the display selfie camera it is very reminiscent of the first gen one i looked at about i don't know i just looked zt it was this
00:32:13
axon 20. yeah yeah yeah um the first article i found about it was end of december 2020 so yeah probably
00:32:20
about six months something like that we actually got it so that's that was the first gen we know that a second gen is
00:32:25
coming it should be improved a lot but it looks a lot like that where number one it's got this like hexagon shaped
00:32:32
cut out behind the screen it technically speaking is better than a hole punch because the
00:32:38
whole punch would just be a black circle but you know it's it's you drag things behind that and it's pixelated and
00:32:44
things start to more a little bit and your eye kind of catches it once in a while and if you look forward it's there
00:32:49
it's very obviously there especially off-axis but it's not quite a hole punch i would argue when you say better
00:32:56
just to uh visually thank you exactly visually it is better now the photos it takes exactly probably worse so i again this we're speaking definitely
00:33:07
yeah definitely i think that's safe to say um no we we have this is on the backs of like a couple hours of hand on
00:33:13
literally an hour of hands-on time but i took some selfies with the fold three and i could actually see it
00:33:20
sort of defogging the photo after i take it now again this is a fast chip snapdragon 8 it's taking the photo
00:33:26
quickly but in the video i included a bit where you hit the shutter immediately go to look at the photo and you see the hazy photo and then boom it
00:33:33
adds the contrast and yeah it looks like you dragged a clarity slide it looks like you're going to lightroom and pressing auto and having it fix
00:33:38
everything yeah basically so it's still doing some work there makes me wonder what do videos look like if i jump in
00:33:45
like a zoom call on this phone is it going to be hazy the whole time i don't know if it's live processing well yeah because when you look in the viewfinder
00:33:51
it obviously isn't making the corrections then it looks rough it doesn't look that great no it looks like you're looking through like a scratched
00:33:57
piece of plexiglass which isn't that far off from what it's actually really doing um
00:34:03
but yeah i i really feel like my question is why now i totally understand i think i have
00:34:09
everything under display i think i have my own answer but i just wanna yeah so like i totally understand under display
00:34:17
selfie cameras are a thing they're going to be a thing i think it's the future it we're i would say in five years we'll
00:34:23
probably see it in most flagship phones um just because we're hearing a lot about it recently if you think about
00:34:29
under display fingerprint sensor those came to market pretty quick and we see them in a lot so i wouldn't doubt if
00:34:34
this makes it there that's fair pretty quickly um to me the fold is already such a bleeding edge phone it feels weird to put this in like
00:34:45
phones we're seeing that in now like the zte and we just got an announcement that there's gonna be a new me mix four i
00:34:51
think that should have it those are phones that we're used to seeing these like bleaching edge things be the the
00:34:56
headline of the phone the full the fold folds that's the headline it folds i like i don't need an under screen finger selfie camera interesting to be a headline there yeah so it feels i
00:35:07
totally get that it wants to have an uninterrupted giant screen yeah that looks better
00:35:13
it has the other selfie camera i guess the argument is and like which totally kills my argument on why is just
00:35:21
you if you're gonna do video calls you want to do it on the big screen and the inside yeah and you have to have it
00:35:26
there yeah i you know what's funny maybe where's the pop-up i could see a pop-up in there water resistance though maybe maybe the folding part of the fold
00:35:37
this is the third fold third generation of the z-fold maybe the folding part people are kind of over it and
00:35:44
i don't i hope not we're not far enough to be over the full here's the thing though about like the general crowd
00:35:49
looking at samsung phones and like the general population who's about to see a bunch of commercials from samsung most people have not seen the under display
00:35:56
camera ever maybe we've done a video on no no no no no no no i totally agree with that totally there's a there's
00:36:02
another you know mix coming out that'll have this but most people will go yeah wait a second it's under the screen and
00:36:08
there's a camera back there i don't know what the exact reaction is but they haven't seen this before and so that's
00:36:14
one more crazy cool feature in a phone that justifies eighteen hundred dollars because folding in half wasn't enough to
00:36:21
make this thing go mainstream so it's just one more thing they're tossing it in there and i think also samsung would
00:36:27
probably tell you this is the least used selfie camera like we said we have a hole punch one on
00:36:32
the outside we have the main cameras if you really want a good selfie and if you happen to be folded open and want to do
00:36:37
something this will pass it will be it'll be okay it won't look great but it'll work
00:36:43
and so you know you get this you know bleeding edge technology that's in no other phone anyone's ever seen and
00:36:48
people are going to go man the iphone's far behind because that's what people do when they see an unknown feature show up
00:36:54
worms man that's that's the reaction that i sort of predict we're gonna see from the mainstream crowd here's my counter
00:37:00
argument to that and it is a counter argument for just the sake of argument there is clearly no real reason to argue
00:37:06
this for stuff like the fold and people spending a lot of that money would you agree that kind of like showing off this new technology is definitely a pro to it like i have the
00:37:17
fold my friends see me unfolding a phone they're obviously going to ask questions about that yeah
00:37:22
the under display selfie camera goes against all the flashiness of it by literally just not being there i highly doubt somebody you're gonna open the fold and someone's gonna be like oh my
00:37:34
goodness you don't have a selfie camera in there yes it's one of those things you have to like point out to other people how impressive it is and that
00:37:40
kind of loses the charm of like being bleeding edge and like having that 1800 phone again there's no reason for that argument i just uh wanted to toss it out there yeah it is it is true i would say
00:37:52
all the things you say are true it's just like a the enthusiast who gets this phone is going to be like hell yeah
00:37:58
i think that's the best thing it's good totally marketed at enthusiasts and they're going to be really hyped about it until they
00:38:04
see the hazing fingerprint readers still on the power button by the way just a regular fingerprint reader around the power button i think that's fine
00:38:10
could you just total not like under the screen also alongside i'm still totally team power button fingerprint reader i
00:38:16
think it's fine i wish so many more phones did that be honest software experience generally the same as the
00:38:22
last fold but they've they've obviously added some uh maybe not obviously but there's some new features with
00:38:27
multitasking just because this is the phone that you get if you're gonna multitask yeah productive so that's what
00:38:32
this is getting oh it's not the duo no it's not going to do it sorry i mean you could get the duo but you'd be waiting a lot longer for everything
00:38:38
to happen um there is a labs feature that lets you like force apps to multitask despite their lack of optimized aspect ratio it's in a lab section so you can turn it on if you
00:38:50
want okay um i really like the side dock so samsung's been doing this like slide
00:38:55
out side dock thing for like a long time since the first uh came first edge came first okay yeah and this is a lot of years ago but you slide it out and you get this useful you know
00:39:06
panel of apps maybe but also you could have like a compass over there or like a news ticker you could do whatever
00:39:12
um in that slide over dock you can actually pin it and it'll just like nudge your
00:39:17
whole ui over like 50 pixels or whatever it is and it'll leave a permanent dock of your whatever apps you want on the side of the phone you can always launch from there and it'll move like the top
00:39:28
three to be your most recent app so if you're copying pasting between stuff it'll just be like a click away at all times
00:39:34
i think this is a great idea that's a great feature who hates the side dock in mac os
00:39:40
and has used plenty of samsung phones and has never actually taken advantage of the like you know scroll over side
00:39:47
apps i think this is awesome it's great i think it's really cool i think it's the perfect scenario for it and i think
00:39:53
samsung's been working for so long on something similar like this it's finally paying off in this scenario yeah i think
00:39:59
it's really cool that's a good little feature you can also just unpin it anytime you want yeah right like you you can use it you can get tired of it you
00:40:05
can do you can do the stuff with phones that's awesome where it's like i always feel like with my phone
00:40:10
if i'm feeling like it i've had it for too long i take the case off i'm like oh this is a totally new phone now i can just add a dock take a dock away oh my
00:40:17
god everything's different yeah i had a time where i was i was using the s21 ultra for a little while and i started
00:40:23
using that slide over thing a little more i was like oh i'll put my my to-do list and my my camera and my like quick
00:40:29
access apps over there so i'll always like have my swipe away but like my muscle memory when i want to go to
00:40:34
another app is so fast to just go home and just open it from the home screen that i just didn't use it enough so the
00:40:41
fact that it'll always be pinned over there maybe that'll sort of finally break a new muscle memory habit we'll see um but yeah i don't know for 1800 bucks
00:40:52
i'll ask this last thing about it do you think it takes another step towards adoption by
00:40:58
like more reasonable people it's 1 800 and i was just talking also about like what are the most premium phones you could cross shop this with it's like the most expensive iphone is like 1500 or
00:41:12
something right now s21 ultra is up there approaching it but 1800 is still above the top you got to really want a
00:41:18
full yeah are people uh still gonna keep waiting you think no but we're gonna take a short break and i'm gonna tell you about one that i do think is going to be a little more uh general
00:41:29
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00:43:05
consumer adopted i said no the flip 3 on the other hand feels to me right now not only is the phone i'm a little more interested i think i'm more interested because i
00:43:16
think more this feels like something more general consumers will use fully fully fully agree i haven't titled the
00:43:23
impressions video yet but i think it'll have something to do with that oh little sneak peek here on waveform and by sneak
00:43:28
peek i mean you're going to listen to this like like two days after it's posted but but we're still brainstorming the titles just as we record this um
00:43:36
yeah okay so i had some hands-on time with the flip 3. yeah i'll break it down a little bit it's a thousand dollars
00:43:41
9.99 so now now you're really like in the mix with other phones you can buy it feels rough saying that in the mix but it is in the mix we are not saying this is cheap by any means no no it's in the
00:43:52
mix with the other very expensive phones there are consumers that buy thousand dollar phones who aren't big tech heads
00:43:58
yep exactly so what do you get so so the last flip i i like the last flip there were two of them actually there was the
00:44:04
z flip and then there's a z flip 5g which is like the second one a little bit of a newer chip
00:44:10
excuse me a little bit yeah um and we we know people who like love the flip i'm pretty sure austin evans still dailies the flip today quinn used it a bunch also my favorite is quinn used to just
00:44:21
like throw it on the ground every once in a while it's like a daily phone just like any other phone i love it um
00:44:27
the flip had a couple interesting shortcomings because it was mostly compared to the razer it had a very
00:44:33
small outside cover screen yeah i i actually described it as like the better hardware razor without the nostalgia so
00:44:41
ultimately that doesn't sell very great yeah yeah it had it had like a one it had a 1.1 inch outside cover screen so
00:44:47
it really just shows you the time you could like swipe your call to accept on and see stuff on the outside but it wasn't great it was very small so that was the one thing i really wanted to be bigger it also had a 60h display
00:45:00
and it had a pretty high price tag so again 9.99 this is a 128 gig phone so i think the asterisk i'll put on this 9.99 price is the other flips in the past started at a
00:45:12
higher price but they also started at 256 so the 256 of this year's phone will be
00:45:18
higher but they've cut down to 128 gig for 9.99 most thousand dollar phones have more
00:45:24
than that but so they did and they didn't yeah they got there but not quite anyway so they have a bigger outside
00:45:30
cover screen and i i just generally like this design way more we've been handling the old flip just a billion times more i
00:45:38
can't even describe how much more i like this than the old one that mirror finish was terrible yeah that thing
00:45:44
it kind of looked like a toy to me quinn austin if you're still holding the flip rack doesn't mean it's not good i just
00:45:50
did not like it no you're gonna like this one way more though yeah okay so they flattened out the sides they've got this little two-tone design but the
00:45:56
outside cover screen is now 1.9 inches which is hard to you know put in context but it's way bigger it's like four times the area um because it's twice the diagonal yeah
00:46:08
i mean we basically say it looks very much like a pixel 2. if you imagine a pixel 2 that could fold
00:46:15
in half and then you take the glass area on top of the two-tone you know exterior yeah that's basically the screen yeah
00:46:22
right next to the dual cameras so now that this outside screen is way bigger you are more it's not like razor
00:46:29
big where you're like reading through things on it but it is much bigger to the point where you can like tr triage
00:46:35
notifications on it you can swipe over and like do music playback controls comfortably yeah and these are things you don't want to have to like it's this thing where you don't want to
00:46:45
open the phone every time like you put out your pocket you just want to hit pause having to open it unfold it and
00:46:51
pause is just one more step so it's a the original flip it solved the problem by being able to be more compact but then also created a new problem with that is like generating
00:47:02
that extra step in between doing things so this solves the problem it created yeah so it it takes away some of that
00:47:08
friction of getting the quick things i think there's a stopwatch there's the timer alarms you can put a weather
00:47:14
widget in there view your calendar just like some neat simple quick glanceable things makes sense do we know if you can
00:47:21
get into like google assistant or if it just uses the phrase there now it's closed so i didn't get to try during the
00:47:27
hands-on i don't believe there's a way to get to the assistant on the outside screen i could double check that when we get the units yeah but i believe because
00:47:34
that would be really nice to not like i think about all the times where i just i still love my squeeze feature on my
00:47:39
pixel and just like being able to pull up assistant on the outside screen without opening it and get a quick
00:47:45
result on there would be awesome yeah yeah that would be nice i i'll try that for sure okay but yeah like you said it
00:47:50
looks like the pixel 2 because it's two-tone the hinge again gives it ipx8 so it is
00:47:56
not dust resistant but you can splash this phone and it'll be fine uh snapdragon triple eight eight gigs of
00:48:02
ram on every spec and it's just it feels when i open this phone there's like a there's one upside
00:48:09
and one downside to it when i'm when i'm using it it feels the most like a regular smartphone of any folding it
00:48:14
looks the most like when that is flipped open it just looks like a a weird aspect ratio regular flip or
00:48:21
sorry regular like candy bar smartphone yeah and it's not even that crazy it's a little tall but yeah it's pretty close
00:48:28
and the hinge is so good that when you open it fully flat it's really flat and you you kind of just ignore the crease
00:48:36
the downside is because the crease is across the middle a lot of your swiping touches the crease
00:48:41
which is not true about like the fold because it's in the middle horizontally so you do you feel the crease i think we
00:48:48
had this conversation yesterday and i found it super interesting we didn't bring it up last time or just didn't
00:48:53
notice it maybe but like yeah if you have a phone that folds i'm just gonna call it hamburger style
00:48:59
and then a full phone that full hot dog style like you are the creases horizontal or vertical when it's
00:49:05
horizontal you're scrolling over all the time because that's just where your hand goes when it's in that big
00:49:11
uh big screen of the fold and it's in the middle vertically you're almost never scrolling over it because if
00:49:16
you're swiping left or right it's probably on the left or right side of the screen yeah you almost never drag your finger over top of it yeah so i
00:49:23
feel like the the fold with its big vertical crease is more visually distracting but the flip with its small horizontal crease is almost never visually
00:49:35
distracting to me but i do feel it with my thumb which is almost more distracting it's a feeling you just have
00:49:42
to you kind of have to just hold it and use it yeah it's a vibe you'll figure it out once you hold it you'll understand what i'm talking about
00:49:48
um but yeah it's just it's much better built it really is much better built it's got the flat side it's still got
00:49:53
the fingerprint reader and the power button like we said we like that ipx8 i mentioned we like that not a whole lot
00:49:59
wrong it's got better speakers as well it doesn't do s pen support despite the stronger cover glass in this phone too
00:50:05
that doesn't bother me it doesn't bother me it also doesn't have the fingerprint or sorry it doesn't have the hole punch
00:50:11
selfie camera either it has a cutout still on the inside it it does have a whole bunch it doesn't have under sorry yes that does happen we have so many
00:50:18
there's too many vocab words in the smartphone world sorry if we messed one up in a while it does have the cutout and
00:50:23
i'm fine with that too it's the only selfie camera although yeah you can close the phone and use the the outside's cover screen as a viewfinder
00:50:29
so if you want a good selfie there you go that's so easy too to just pull out that little thing just like in the palm
00:50:35
and just snap a photo nice that's what i like about so yeah it's the it's the closest to a
00:50:42
regular phone in air quotes regular phone to me it's the closest to a regular phone
00:50:47
experience closest to a regular phone size closest to a regular phone price uh closest yeah yeah but i think this is
00:50:55
the closest that we're gonna get to regular people picking up this phone and if i were to recommend any folding phone to a real
00:51:02
human today this is definitely the one i would pick to me it is the the folding phone that gets the closest to what it's like intended to be this is a
00:51:12
supposed to be a regular phone that then becomes compact when you're storing it it does that it does exactly that this is so much easier to fit into a purse into a bag into a pocket like it just it
00:51:24
can't it's much more compact while being a regular phone when it's open the folds kind of purpose is to
00:51:30
is it talking about almost becoming a tablet it's not quite there yet it's still a bit small and it's still really
00:51:36
chunky when it's folded in so i think that's still a ways from hitting it's like exactly what it's intended to be whereas
00:51:42
the flip kind of nails it already the fold has a bigger ambition exactly and that's why i think it's going to take longer yeah i totally agree with that i think whenever i think about these folding phones my question is always
00:51:55
why does it fold and the answer for the flip why does it fold is oh so it can be more compact in
00:52:01
your pocket oh that's simple great it does that it wins for the fold the reason why does it fold
00:52:07
is so you can have a tablet in your pocket and that's a much bigger ambition and they're working towards that right
00:52:13
now it's it's a seven and a half inch screen it's not like replacing an ipad but like an ipad mini
00:52:19
is 7.9 it's like almost there but that's hard that's really hard really hard it's hard to get it as thin as possible and
00:52:26
reasonable as a regular phone and replacing a tablet in your pocket yeah so yeah the flip is there on the
00:52:31
ambition and i think that's pretty cool also david pointed this out because he thought it was great that there are
00:52:37
seven colors put seven colors potentially eight actually yeah potentially eight but uh
00:52:43
four regular colors three samsung.com exclusive colors and then the tom brown edition and then there's also two skus
00:52:50
there's 128 gig and a 256. so that means uh 16 versions of this phone that not a lot
00:52:56
of people are gonna be buying but that's that's samsung for you just making all the things yeah if you're arguing um
00:53:02
folding phones aren't here to stay i don't think anyone would make 16 sku numbers on the phone they didn't think
00:53:08
was actually going to do something samsung's gonna make sure they're here to stay um i don't know i i'm into the uh the mat
00:53:15
the black one the phantom black one is the only matte finish one that i saw from those four colors so they were cream which is like yellow
00:53:22
green which is a sort of a darker military green type thing lavender is purpley and then phantom
00:53:29
black matte black so two-tone would be it would actually be two different finishes glossy and matte black yeah i
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mean very similar to pixel two black um i really wanna see green in person from the videos that i've seen cr cream looks nice um it's like banana
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oh is that the banana one yes baby cream's not nice green green looks the most interesting to me i don't know i've been really
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digging green phones lately i like that they're doing them and i like that they're not doing them bright they're doing them like a muted color instead i
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think when we got that it was with the 11 the iphone 11 with that i love it love it love it i think that's one two
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more muted stuff because then the 12 blue also looked amazing pacific blue one of the best hot take
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best iphone car of all time not a hot day not a hot take no you're wrong if you don't the best iphone color of all
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time i think that's it's debatable i mean there's some great reds there's some great reds yeah um but i really like how dare you make a samsung conversation and an iphone into an
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iphone i just love you it's the natural flow of tech conversations you know that's kind of how it goes um anyway that that's pretty much it
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we've got a lot more obviously the watches are out too the buds are out we've got full reviews of as much of this stuff coming as we
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can but like i said the the floodgates have opened i feel like we're oh yeah we're getting there
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we got phones coming we've got all sorts of other comp tech coming but yeah the videos are are on their way so feel free
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to check those out but that's been it i feel like we've we've hit all the points we've talked about all the things
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