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hey meta make it funnier sure here's a revised version with a bit of humor well well well look what we have here it's two people sitting in a radio Studio looking like
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they're about to host the most epic podcast ever they've got their headphones on their mics are ready and
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they're staring intensely into the camera like they're trying to hypnotize us with their broadcasting skills I mean
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who knows maybe they're secretly planning to take over the world with their podcasting powers I guess we'll
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just have to tune in to find [Music] out what is up people of the internet welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts I'm
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Marquez I'm Andrew and I'm David all three of us we're back y feels good it's been a minute I've missed you guys yeah welcome were you like busy or like how come you oh yeah just like a lot of
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stuff um yeah my my kiddo came a little early and it's been great and you guys have been great um you've been kicking ass without me have you actually been keeping up with the Pod because I feel
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like that's impossible it's hard I watched the Raleigh episode because I was like so excited and so sad that I
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missed it but you guys did awesome it was a great episode if you haven't watched it go back and watch it because it was a bonus episode but like yeah
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it's been awesome we've been missing you thank you I missed you guys it's it's cool being back here your trivia score
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is exactly the same as what it would have been if it was here let's be real let's the carry the one still there we
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made double digits we got where we needed to be Adam has been carrying the one actually has he been carrying the one every week appreciate it heavy it's
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heavy it's not for yours though I've been carrying it for David it switched people I'm sorry I feel like that's my
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fault I'm just trying to carry the team you know what I'm saying you you are carrying the team thanks well we have a good episode this
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week we're in December Tech tecember I think as we were trying no December sorry December December so we got a
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whole bunch of stuff so first of all Epic has officially beat Google in its Anti-Trust trial which has some interesting implications uh Google also
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has this new AI Storyteller it's not out but we got to hear about it and it's pretty amazing pretty insane actually um
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also we got to watch spatial videos on the Vision Pro which we'll talk about as well but first we've got an update on a
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couple little things uh remember that Gemini video we talked about last time which was a demo of the new large
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language model and Google's multimodal abilities with AI it was uh heavily edited as we suspected yeah and I still think that's okay that's my hot take is I
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still think that's okay not a lot of people agree with that a lot of people are very angry that Google's so heavily edited I thought it I thought everyone
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kind of knew that that was edited but the way they presented it when you watch it back is very misleading it makes you
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think they just start drawing and immediately start getting cues in real time from Google in super high speed and
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that's not exactly what's happening it's very curated they tried a bunch of stuff ahead of time they're using this video
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to demonstrate what it's capable of right but it's not an actual demo did you watch this video Andrew I didn't see
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the whole thing I saw like people saying oh this was fake so I I've have not been able to keep up with the news very well
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so I'm going to be the passenger here but I am interested in this because it does seem a little weird to have a
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heavily edited video Even if you are a type of person who expects it to be kind of like that you have to go in
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understanding most people won't and think that it's real there are people who thought Tesla bot was real so let's
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yeah step backy dancing suit or the actual one wait Tesla bot was a guy in a suit the dancing Tesla guy in suit but the one that slowly walked on stage ominously that was that was probably
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sort of along the lines of Boston Dynamics scripted choreography but yeah no flesh no flesh okay I mean robots
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don't have flesh was thrown out of there you know explain it real quick yeah so so for people that didn't see this video yet um last Wednesday Google announced
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its new Gemini model which has three versions there's a like a mini version that goes on your phone there's a pro
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version which is uh basically in the cloud and it's supposed to power barred and then there's an ultra version
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because of course everything has to be ultra and pro Max now Pro Max and that one is in the servers and is going to be for Enterprise applications so Google
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released this video that showed the multimodal capabilities of its Ultra model and they said in the beginning of the video we want to show you some of our favorite things that we figured out it could do and they had this like really
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fastpac like no stops video where some guy like starts to draw a duck slowly and it's like what do what do you see and he's like it's like H you're drying something oh it looks like a duck now
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and then he Shades it in he's like oh it's a Blue Duck now and then he puts a a rubber duck on it and it's like oh you
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put a rubber duck on the table that's just like the duck that you just drew and then just does all this crazy stuff
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in a very fast-paced like it's like a 4 and 1/2 minute video where it's just non-stop like movements of like really
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complex tasks and very multimodal capabilities and it seems really awesome and I sent it to Marquez and Adam like the morning it dropped and I said watch this we got to talk about it on the Pod
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it's really cool and then like a day later they were like yeah so like it wasn't live video like it was individual prompts that we asked it about a thing that we put on the table and also the
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things we put on the table weren't the same same things we showed you oh wait what yeah it was like more that's
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further than yeah I could under like kind of understand if it's like processing and taking a while to process
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and then like you cut in between that and make it seem like it's a little snappier which still seems not great but
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to me but we didn't even show you the real thing a little much it was more of a demo of just here's what Google's
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multimodal AI could look like yeah and but that's not what they said but that's not what they said definitely presented
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it as here's what we made yeah that feels and in the future it will in the future it probably will that seems cool
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but like I think part of that the fact that they chose something that was so simple and
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like it feels like you wouldn't fake it to fake it feels almost like they were trying to there was a bunch of stuff that was cool like he pulled a map over and he was like what's this and it's like it's a map of the Earth and he's
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like can you create a game for me based on the map and it just generates this new game where here's some rules for
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this game you put your on Antarctica and you put your tiles on here and it does like a lot of really interesting cool
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stuff um that's cooler and a little more reasonable to be like okay this is what it's going to do now maybe this could be
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fake but like the Billy Madison Blue Duck thing like gole like the prompts that it
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delivered like the responses it delivered were similar to like everything that it showed it's just that you had to prompt it and then it would
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be like processing boom but instead it was like he wasn't even asking it questions a lot of the time he's like oh
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it's this he oh hey and he just talks to it like back and forth anyway I just I was sad cool I get the backlash from how you're describing it I totally understand there's a reason I'm wearing
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these glasses that's good to know for audio listeners Mar is currently wearing the ray yeah I I didn't even mention that no
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my take on this is like I I think the multimodal stuff is super cool and I might have even said this in the last pod which is all right this multimodal
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thing is just in the ultra model and we might not get our hands on it or be able to use it anytime soon until someone
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else comes along and makes some other cool multimodal thing and then Google feels pressured to push Theirs to the
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Forefront because they've had it too and then GPT has multimodal and suddenly they're everywhere MH um these meta
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glasses that I'm wearing got an early access update a day ago that enables their multimodal AI function so there's
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a meta assistant in these these glasses which you can think about it what you want it's not that great it's not even
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Seri level but it does some stuff it's Internet connected and it's now also connected to the camera on the front of
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them so before I'm going to try to do a demo of this with like pointing it at my ear so before I could go hey meta what's
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the weather tomorrow in Carney New Jersey United States it will be sunny on Thursday December 14th with a high temperature of 41 Fahrenheit and a low temperature so you can hear that right
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just says the weather how have we not made like answers more like conversational like
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why can't it just be like it'll be 71 Inc Carney tomorrow I know I think it it's trying to confirm that it understood my question so it's like but
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it's it always goes way too long I know imagine asking someone like David do you know what the weather's going to be tomorrow in Carney New Jersey tomorrow
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it will be sunny and it will be 41° fhe well the one time that you ask it what's the weather and it thinks you're asking
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what's the weather in copertino and then it says 55 and it's totally wrong you'll want to know that it's wrong no I'm
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saying it could say Cony but like it just is taking way too long yeah just let me know either way there's an update
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that lets me ask specifically and I have to say this exact um phrase every time hey meta look and tell me what you
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see and so you just heard that photo thing yeah I see two people sitting in a radio Studio wearing headphones and
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facing towards microphones they appear to be hosting a show or podcast that's pretty C sick that was
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pretty hell dude didn't say one super cool I've tried this in a bunch of different spaces and it's accurately portrayed I walked over to the door where Cadence was sitting and I petted
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her and I said what do you see and it said I see a dog it's one of these two breeds and it's sitting in front of a glass door yeah and I'm like I didn't
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ask for any of that but that's pretty good hey meta make it funnier sure here's a revised version with a bit of humor well well well look
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what we have here it's two people sitting in a radio Studio looking like they're about to host the most epic
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podcast ever they've got their headphones on their mics are ready and they're staring intensely into the camera like they're trying to hypnotize
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us with their broadcasting skills I mean who knows maybe they're secretly planning to take over the world with
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their podcasting Powers I guess we'll just have to tune in to find out come on that great it's funny because of how cringe it is like that's that's about as funny as people are on Facebook so I'm
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not yeah yeah anytime you say make it funnier that's about as good as you can can I say my favorite story with these
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things when you were walking around testing it yesterday you came up to like to David Ellis and I like by our
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little desk situation and you were like hey meta show me this like what is this thing and then you just blankly stare
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off into space for like 3 seconds directional audio so we can't hear every time Marquez asked a question
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he's just like like mouth open just staring into the abyss controller unplugged in sunglasses too which adds like a whole layer of just like Weekend at Bernie's energy yeah I now I'm
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assuming this is more for you can ask it questions based on what you're seeing because if you're just going around being like I mean that is what they
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showed is that part of it have you tried that that is part of it so there are a couple of demos and I haven't gone through all these but like I said I was
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testing it yesterday you can point it at a menu and ask what are the spicy things on the menu you can point it out something in a different language say
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does it say anything about this rule anywhere in this on this parking sign can you say how much protein I was can
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you point it at a handful of almonds and ask how many if you point it at a food label it seems to be very good at
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reading so I actually do think if you pointed it at a food label food label it would be able to find how much protein
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isn't something I don't know if it you just looked at beans if it would know but like it's pretty good it's pretty good at text I it wouldn't know if it
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looked at beans because that's impossible almonds Fair it it's probably not going to be and it's also pretty
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good at like deflecting on questions that don't really have an answer like I held up an iPhone and an Android phone
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next to each other and said look and tell me which one's better and it said okay look I can't tell you which one's
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better just by looking at it it's probably not a good idea to pick one of these two high-end smartphones just
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based on appearance alone but these are two really good phones and you'll probably have some pros and cons with each one can we test to see how far it's
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willing to go by setting up the trolley problem in real life and you're at the lever and can you say I pull the lever
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do I pull the lever I'll lay on the ground and then the rest of us will lay on the other side and then I will actually do I'll try this also we tried a Ellis was or Adam was wearing it
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someone was wearing a jersey Ellis was wearing a jersey and it had text on it that said the Blue Jays or whatever and
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we said translate what what you see to Spanish and it did it so it's actually pretty cool the future team of sh Otani
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yeah just kidding it's even better he's a Dodger now a Dodger now sorry let's go
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La getting all the stars I see it is the only person who is happy about both of those rumors
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potentially so yeah you know I think the multimodal stuff is cool I am happy that it's actually just like spilling out
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into our real lives and like actual people can use this product and try it out today if they just have the newest version of the app and the Early Access
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program it's cool so I feel like we're going to start seeing a lot more of this stuff pretty soon yeah I think multimodal multimodal is like kind of
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the future of these llms so and it may sort of reveal what they're like better at than just
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chatbots cuz we're all doing the chatbot thing but this could be cool look at a sink and be like how do I fix this
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you're going to need oh I pointed at I had a product I had an that ethernet cable yesterday and I just looked at the
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bag and it told me what kind of cable it was how long the cable was it just read everything on the thing and told me like
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the important things it was pretty cool you just read it I can read but if I couldn't read wow that would be useful I
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can't read anyway okay uh one more update from last week beeper mini are you still using beeper mini um no trying to so so last we we have a habit of
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having very unfortunate timing here on the waveform podcast C we record on Wednesdays and a lot of stuff often
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happens between Wednesday and Friday uh so last Wednesday our whole episode was about beeper mini because it came out on
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Tuesday and it was great and it was working and then Wednesday night or Wednesday early evening in the the east
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coast of the United States all of a sudden it stopped working and uh it seemed that apple had cut
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beeper mini off at the source which was a big bummer impressive yeah just stopped working for everybody and they
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went into full on like we got to fix this over the weekend mode and they sort of did um they got it working again but
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only through your Apple ID email address you have to sign in with your Apple ID which not having to sign in with that
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was one of the perks oh and then uh the other thing was that they said that they're going to bring back the phone number registration login thing eventually but no one really knows when
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so people went and they review bombed the app which was a bummer I don't know it's it's not it works again so if you want to use it with your Apple ID it
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still got all the benefits that beeper mini had originally which was it's all local on device it's not bouncing off an
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a Mac Mini Server somewhere it's going directly to Apple servers so if you're okay with using just your Apple ID email
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address and having your all your text messages go through your email it works again but it's it's not the same as it
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was and I think that this story especially since it came out right after the Sunbird stuff kind of reveals that
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apple is not just going to like let people do this apple is reading everything as fast as we are yeah and
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it's fixing things in real time yeah like in real time cuz it was only up for like two and a half days yeah it took less than 48 hours when I saw the
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podcast title I think I like saw the podcast in the morning and it was called like I'm Mage for Android for real this
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time and then I was like that's not going to be the last time we used this title and I think the news came out like
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a couple hours later we changed it to I'm Android for real this time question mark by when that title is the official
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for real title of the podcast we'll all be far off of this podcast yeah probably
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true although RCS is coming it is coming so exclamation point but also a question mark because
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we don't know how they'll implement it not sure about encryption yeah totally fair we David also wanted to say that we are recording this Wednesday oh and it
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comes out Friday and just in case the same thing from last week happens who knows what's going to happen on Friday
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by Friday so if beeper mini has the phone number thing again by Friday I apologize it could have it and lose it
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by Friday that's also true that's also true PSA we tried we tried we tried sorry okay one more thing uh Google did at least there was an article I don't actually know if Google officially
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announced this is this just an article it's an article because it there's no guarantee if it will be released to the public yet uh right now it seems like an
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internal project right so I saw this Android police article reporting on Google building an internal tool that's
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kind of an AI Storyteller that uses and is trained on data about you and it's multimodal it's looking at your emails messages Google account photos you've
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taken things in your Google account to be able to tell the story of your life yeah and it can guess a lot about you it's sort of like a um a personal
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biographer in a way oh my goodness and I kind of think that this is sort of a response to Apple's journal app that's sort of my hot take on this because the
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Apple journal app it takes a bunch of information from your phone like it can take your health data and it can take
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like a bunch of it can take your text message if you let it and it can take a bunch of random information and like use
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that to prompt you about like what you did that day and what you should be writing about and in a way like apple is
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trying to have you keep a more detailed timeline of your life which they will probably prompt you to do something with
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that information in the future yeah and in like it seems like Google is kind of trying to do a similar thing because it
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already has like in Google photos you've got the like on this day remember this thing and it creates these videos and
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all these things yep and at the end of the day people are all different but they're not that different and so it can
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kind of it can it said it can guess what your hobbies are based on a bunch of random stuff about you which makes no
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way it's going to guess that I like watches and stuff not at all impossible that's it's not like it's half photos in
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your Google photos not at all have the receipts in your email or like shipping notifications no I think that part
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doesn't seem that hard actually no that's super easy it already probably knows all that stuff about this is I I think one of the biggest things here at
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least for people who have like we all had emails before Gmail right we were all yeah I was on k k kids online
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comcast.net Comcast I had a Yahoo I had an AOL you know all of hot mail all the fun ones so like it won't have any of that so I guess it'll only go back so far yeah um I did get a Gmail on super
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early beta though did you yeah what's your I don't want to dox you do you have a you're
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just never mind I'm not goingon to dox your email I don't want to do that sorry well bleep it what's your email address
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is it cool wait don't no was like 12 never mind of course totally fair totally thinking about old screen names is one of the cringiest things I could ever I used to be the cat Lord on all my
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gamer tags honestly I think that's pretty sick yeah um but yeah this like it's funny you bring it up versus Google photos and like remember this day cuz I think that's one of the coolest things
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ever like I actually showed how that works to my mother-in-law this weekend because she was talking about like doing
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albums for her son's wedding and stuff like that I was like Google has all of this in your phone already just name the
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face and like it'll Auto do this is so cool it's a little scarier going through my text messages and emails and stuff
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like that and um the funny thing is if I'm talking to a friend and they're like remember when we did that thing like
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when did we do that like I don't was it in April of last year of like five years ago like it might have been and I'll be
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I'll just be like I'll just look at my Google photos and look at April of last year and or you just literally search for whatever and it'll just find it yeah
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it's really good I found restaurants that way where we were like oh where did we eat again and it's like I look for
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the picture I took of the food or something like that or the menu or something yeah and then it'll just like have the GPS location ter they're
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permission to do all of that for you which I think the reason it there's no guarantee it will be released to the
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public is because they don't really know what the public perception of like take everything about me ever they'll have to
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really package this nicely like one of my biggest not pet peeves but one of the most annoying things that I get asked to
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do multiple times which is this is a very unrelatable thing is to write a short bio about myself can you just give
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us a head shot on a short bio and I hate writing that bio I never and I've been able to just ask chat gpg for a bio of
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myself most people can't do that so this is uh this is your short bio right here
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yeah for the VOX media podcast website when I had to write one waveform I asked chat jbt to write one for me and it did
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this one would have been a little more yeah yeah if it's doing like Hobbies it would probably see like you seem to be starting a new hobby you've already
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stopped doing this one this one this one and this one maybe we should put a little more research eating routine too
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which I'm like I don't oh it's going to like Pi your eating routine no it can like it can guess what you're eating
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routine I'm guessing it's like what foods you eat the most or something and it probably takes that from like
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receipts of like Uber Eats receipts or like photos of food that you eat a lot I guess if you're doing a lot of
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that you buy something with like the card in Google pay or if it's just doing my photos it's going to think I'm eating
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like the sickest meals cuz I only take pictures at like restaurants I've spent like years waiting to go to and stuff
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Andrew loves five star meals every day yeah seems like he only eats once a week but it's always amazing
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caviar we got a lot more to talk about it's that time of year but of course we should take a break so before we do that
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trivia I haven't heard this noise in so long trivia so first question casor and Pollock are two bright stars in the northern hemisphere that make up what constellation no what did you is this a
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tech question it can be is that oh I know Ah that's a tech question I see what you did there me too got it got it I have no idea I might as well just be on leave
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limited to one device all right we are back let's talk a little bit about some news at the risk of things may be
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evolving after after we talk about it again I don't think it will cuz the trial's over now okay so it was a big trial that lasted many many months and
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the result was fascinating MH why don't you tell us about it yeah so uh basic top he heavy headline I don't even know what I'm supposed to be saying here 10,000 foot view 10,000 view top level
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thank you Adam um is that macro epic sued Apple and Google uh the Apple trial happened a couple of years ago the Google trial just happened and just concluded and surprisingly epic
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actually beat Google at this antitrust trial which is a big deal they do a fortnite dance at the
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courthouse the head lawyer to get you up to speed about all of this stuff back in 2020 uh Apple suddenly removed fortnite
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from the App Store and the reason they did this is because epic kind of randomly like spur the moment
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implemented a separate payment system inside of the fortnite app on iOS that allowed you to purchase v-bucks which is
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their ingame currency for cheaper than you could if you just used Apple's in payment system so that was against
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Apple's terms of service correct so they kicked them out of the app store for it right so they kicked them out of the App
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Store but within like a within a couple of hours you guys probably remember this happening ready I was just looking back
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we have like five separate documents of us talking about Apple versus or epic versus either Apple or Google all the
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way back to episode 98 so over 100 episodes ago W yeah it was 2020 when this was happening uh so they got kicked
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out of the appar and then Epic basically filed this 84 page lawsuit or 65 page lawsuit pretty much immediately
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that was like apple is a monopoly Google is a monopoly and they also released this crazy video from this 1984 Apple commercial I forgot about that which they parody like in fortnite right uh I
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think it was just on YouTube no like but the they pared it using fortnite and it
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was called 1980 fortnite which is a great name so using lawsuits as PR is like a thing like for
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epic that's true that's true thing yeah so Tim Sweeney and and D brand would be the only two people that would do this
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um epic was arguing that Apple was operating in effective Monopoly with the app store because they don't Apple
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specifically doesn't allow side loading so you can't like load on any other app stores onto your phone and they get to
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completely set the rules of like how much things cost and for people that don't know anytime that you buy anything
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or do any sort of payment inside of any app that you downloaded from the app store which is the only way to get apps
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on your phone Apple takes 30% of the revenue which is a lot that's why we talk about Apple tax all the time right yeah that's what we're talking about exactly and when the App Store first got
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launched this was actually kind of seen as a deal because uh Steve Jobs when he introduced the App Store was like Well normally developers get less than 50% because they have to like package things
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in physical retail boxes and handle shipping and dist distribution and all this stuff and so 30% is actually a
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steal um but clearly over time that became less and less of a steel scale yeah and so the trial lasted a long time
00:27:09
but eventually the judge handed down a ruling that said that Apple was mostly right and could enforce its rules on
00:27:14
Epic because epic signed the developer agreement and then a few years later was randomly like wait but you have an Monopoly and it's like well you signed on to this like you didn't have to sign on to this but they did find Apple in
00:27:26
violation of californ is unfair competition law uh which ordered Apple to allow developers to put buttons
00:27:32
external links and other calls to action to allow consumers to purchase things inside of the app but then Apple
00:27:39
appealed it and it's probably just going to be in appeals court for like the next forever I think that's happened an
00:27:45
interesting point too and why I think the landscape has changed to where the 30% feels tougher because like the way
00:27:52
we've also sold games is so much different previously if you had a package it was a game for 50 bucks and
00:27:57
if you were to buy it online and got a 30% split it was once but you make so much more money on games now when
00:28:03
they're free to play with microtransactions so like now it's not just you get someone to pay 50 bucks and
00:28:09
that's your last thing you ever get from that person people dump money I am a valerant player I've played League of
00:28:15
Legends you play DotA I'm sure it is very easy to spend 10 bucks every couple week $70 a year on DOTA yeah which is not a lot I mean lot it's super easy to
00:28:27
do it yeah the thing is is I don't even mind it because it's like if I'm playing a game for that long that it Stacks up to me
00:28:33
tossing 20 bucks at it like here it's not a big deal I think it's worth it but like but then when Apple is getting 30%
00:28:39
of that every single time that chunk is gigantic yeah so epic lost the Apple case they had to pay Apple a couple
00:28:46
million dollars which sucked and then Apple lost that part of the case but then because they appeal that nothing
00:28:52
actually happened so nothing happened great but then they also sued Google because basically the same thing happen
00:28:58
they also take 30% but that was a different kind of trial because the first trial was just before a judge this
00:29:06
trial was with a jury so it was like public opinion versus one person a big reason this trial was a little bit different too was that they found that Google was giving special deals to
00:29:18
certain giant app developers to make them pay way less and they were they were offering uh companies like Spotify and Netflix like oh you have to pay 15%
00:29:28
or like they went to some people and were like you don't even have to pay at all just like beyond beyond the Google Play Store but they were only doing that
00:29:35
bespoke to a number of different app manufacturers great yeah uh and the big thing that really swung the jury on that one was that they found out that like Google had like Pro they had these
00:29:47
operations that they called them where they were like getting together a team of people at Google to try to sway these
00:29:54
app developers into joining the App Store with a lower fee and that kind of stuff so it was like a concerted effort to have this unfair ruling and then also
00:30:07
uh they autod deleted all of the messages they sent about these projects they didn't know they were guilty but they accidentally deleted all the evidence of them doing it yeah got it I
00:30:18
was originally when you start this off with apple won and then Google loses it's like what's different but that does seem quite a bit different especially the like special privileges to different
00:30:32
ones it basically makes it which kind of is like what the market is like though is like but then you have to like play
00:30:39
this game of like you want me give me special privilege versus like I would like to be on the Google store and I'm
00:30:45
just going to get a worse deal than everyone which seems I don't know it's it's a business decisions and annoying
00:30:53
for the consumer the competitive landscape kind of I don't want to say for Google into that but if you're Apple
00:30:59
you can sit there and say look we've got the biggest App Store you want to be on the App Store 30% what are you going to do if you're Google you're like oh we
00:31:06
would love to compete with apple but some of these developers are just making their stuff on the iPhone and not on
00:31:11
Android come on please make one on the Android stuff we'll do 15% we'll do 5% and then maybe they start to get more of
00:31:17
those deals so they're trying to do that to be competitive but now it's a totally different landscape and that's why it's
00:31:24
coming back to BU it's crazy to me that they spe specifically went after the big app developers to give them a lower rate
00:31:30
because like wouldn't Netflix and Spotify need to be on Android if they want to have any kind of market share in
00:31:37
the world like I also wonder IFD so the way Netflix and Spotify work the amount of money you're buying in putting it or like paying inside the app is so much
00:31:48
different but you're much more likely to have a Netflix account if you can watch it on your phone or Spotify account if
00:31:54
you can't use Spotify on your phone but when you sign up for Netflix or Spotify do you sign up on a computer on your
00:31:59
phone therefore do you get T do you get the give it up anyways and then it just Auto renews so like the amount of money
00:32:06
they're losing on that is probably so small so they give that opportunity because they know they're not losing
00:32:11
much where if you are epic and you're there are kids that play fortnite on their phone they're buying skins through
00:32:16
that because that's where they buy it all the time and that is a lot of money to lose yeah it's a weird thing but you
00:32:22
shouldn't be going individually to other companies and then deleting your emails about it and not that deal to people
00:32:29
yeah so Google losing this case was actually like a pretty major deal because there hasn't really been a
00:32:34
successful antitrust trial since like the 1990s with Microsoft uh the judge did not rule yet exactly what Google is
00:32:40
going to have to do because they lost but they lost on all counts so they're probably going to have to reduce the uh
00:32:48
the the percentage that they get paid which is going to be really dumb if Apple doesn't have to but Google does
00:32:54
but that just might be how it is um um and then they already allow sidel loading of different app stores cuz you know there's like the Samsung App Store and like all these different things but
00:33:06
they pop up messages when you sideload things that say this is potentially really unsafe which I think is fair
00:33:13
because you know they can't control what you're Sid loing and if you side something dangerous but but apparently
00:33:19
that would seem as unfair so I don't know they lost it and uh the judge is going to apparently decide in January or
00:33:25
February what they're going to have to do for losing it pay a lot of money oh and change some stuff I think it's going
00:33:30
to be more than paying money they're just going to try to appeal it again it's just so weird hearing Google
00:33:36
lost on all accounts and not thinking they're just going to delay this and nothing will actually change but I'm
00:33:41
assuming it does I also would say if we wonder why they would have to put the the percentage down and apple wouldn't my guess is because there's proof that Google has which proves that there isn't
00:33:52
one specific fee if apple is actually always keeping 30% no matter what then I guess they can at least say like it's the same for everyone where it's like well Google you changed it up you reap
00:34:04
what you said Apple did preemptively add some stipulations to its things uh between the beginning of the Epic trial and ending I believe where developers who made less than $1 million did like
00:34:17
only had to pay like 15% or something like that but that also makes up less than 5% of their revenue from from it
00:34:24
yeah anyway so yeah I think in January or February we'll we'll see how this works but it seems like it could have some pretty major implications because you know these two app stores are
00:34:35
basically how we get all of our information in the world when we're not using a dedicated computer I think it's
00:34:41
also when we first started talking about this I was like this is going to last so long fortnite is going to be a
00:34:47
completely dead game by then but man epic has done a great job at keeping that game super super relevant and
00:34:54
popular it's probably going through one of the biggest right now and people are playing it it's
00:35:00
the most I've ever seen people playing fortnite again since it like first popped off so they're doing something
00:35:05
right over there they're finally turning it into their metaverse that they wanted it to be when metaverse was a popular
00:35:11
term oh they're turning into a really good game with a lot of different options to play things I mean they just launched like a Lego version and a
00:35:18
racing version and a rock band version oh yeah they did so many cool well the biggest thing that happened was they brought back the original map which is like but they got rid of it didn't they I think it was like a one temporary yeah
00:35:30
but the one that I jumped out of the bus and YouTube Rewind yes is this what you
00:35:36
wanted nice so yeah we'll uh we'll wait to see what happens in January but that's a pretty interesting story we'll
00:35:41
see that we'll finish this up in episode 300 yeah basically all right one more thing uh we did get to revisit the Apple Vision Pro right uh and what we did was
00:35:52
watch spatial videos and look at some panoramas and photos just using the photos app in the Vision Pro so at this
00:35:59
point I've used Vision Pro several times now uh gotten fitted to my head several times put it on taken it off several
00:36:05
times the same things keep striking me about it which is this thing is built so well this thing is so heavy and this thing has an incredible set of displays
00:36:17
like those things keep hitting me over and over and over every time I use it it's the ey tracking weird every time
00:36:22
it's very intuitive it is so intuitive like I have my hand in my lap and I'm just looking at stuff and just just
00:36:29
selecting it it's that that's still super great yeah but what what we got to do is now look at some of the photos and
00:36:35
videos that we' taken on our own iPhone and there's an iOS 17.2 update that's out now where if you have a I think it's
00:36:40
a pro iPhone only Iphone 15 Pro or Pro Max yeah you can take spatial videos on your phone they must be landscaped
00:36:46
because the two cameras are next to each other and the difference between them gives you the stereo spatial depth
00:36:52
whatever shoot a bunch of spatial videos and got to watch them back on the phone mhm
00:36:57
basically they look pretty cool still a little gimmicky I don't know that I'm going to shoot everything in spatial now just because you have that ability it does knock you down to 1080p the one thing I will say is the
00:37:11
spatial effect the depth effect is super strong when you're within like 1 to three feet of your subject so you get up
00:37:18
close to something a subject a kid a pet something like that then the spatial effect becomes very dramatic and you're
00:37:25
like wow this is so different so 3D but if you're just looking at someone 5T away or across the room or like a
00:37:31
building or a lance whatever it just just doesn't look that different I have a quick question about this yeah you
00:37:36
said it's only for the 15 Pro yeah yeah not the 14 pro correct which also has three cameras sped apart the reason yeah
00:37:43
give me the reason tell me yeah the environment A6 bionic yeah so they they move to the orientation of the cameras so in order to do this you have to shoot Parallax which and if you have to shoot
00:37:56
parallax you have to have the same plane where the wide angle camera and the main camera sensor are they have to be in the
00:38:02
exact same plane and then they have to crop in the the wide angle camera to be the exact same shot basically as the
00:38:09
main camera so the 14 pro it was telephoto on the bottom and wide on the right and now that's swapped so those
00:38:15
two are in the same it was either telephone on the bottom and wide on the right or or it wasn't like perfectly aligned with it so the two left most
00:38:21
cameras need to be the wide and the ultra wide right so that was not also need to be like on the same plane so
00:38:28
this is the first set of cameras that they actually satisfy all those things can shoot spatial without some crazy computational solution I was just going
00:38:34
to say there's no way they can do a crazy computational solution Google would figure that out it would be like
00:38:40
half as good but you'd be like wo that's impressive computationally and apple is just going get the new phone I already
00:38:46
know how you could do this computationally but yes it would be yeah like I get that it's not on the same plane but the angles differences doesn't
00:38:52
change from phone to phone yeah but it would have to it would have to interpret the shot differently you have to do
00:38:58
warping and like all you have to like hire people to like figure that out and stuff Apple's leaner than you think yeah
00:39:04
yeah well yeah so that's the reason it's only on the Pro Models right now um because the regular iPhone 15 it's a
00:39:11
they're diagonal diagonal to each other so the rumor the big rumor CU usually what Apple does is they introduce a new
00:39:17
feature and it's only in the Pro but not in the regular one and then the next year that Pro feature comes to the regular one the big rumor is that next
00:39:24
year the regular model will still only have two cameras but they will be linearly aligned instead of par um uh
00:39:31
diagonal that begs the question though they're going back to what it used to be like yeah looks like kind of funny yeah
00:39:37
that's true here's another possible solution the regular iPhones never get it and you only have the pro because
00:39:43
it's the Vision Pro you need the pro iPhone for the Vision Pro yeah we don't have regular Apple Vision yet oh yeah
00:39:48
here's one step further the 16 comes out and they disable it from the 15 Pro don't count it out I got you Apple
00:39:55
count don't count it out so what were the panoramas like so I got to shoot or look at a bunch of the panoramas
00:40:01
essentially there's two ways to view a panorama one is it's up on your wall and it's just this really wide image which
00:40:07
is cool and there is a little bit of a parallx so you can sort of look into the edges of the Panorama which it's cropping out a little organically okay
00:40:14
and then the other is you hit the Panorama icon and it fills your view so if you have a really really wide Panorama way wider than 2x1 it will fill
00:40:21
your view and you can literally turn your head and look 180° at the entire picture as if you're in the scene not
00:40:28
too dissimilar from remember when you took a street view photo you remember what were they called photospheres photospheres not too dissimilar from photospheres okay interesting just without the top and the bottom part
00:40:39
right so it's that interesting okay yeah huh how long until they put this in the sphere in
00:40:45
Vegas in the sphere well the you need a sphere sphere you need like the top and the bottom was what made Photosphere so
00:40:50
cool man I miss photospheres me too those are cool some of the first Google photos images that I have at all are
00:40:56
photospheres and they are nightmare fuel because the stitching is because the stitching is awful and people move
00:41:02
around and there's like one video where like my friend and I like I am the top half of the body and she's the bottom
00:41:08
half of the body and it's really disconcerting they could bring that back with way more computational smarts and
00:41:14
they could be amazing yeah totally they could do it they they probably will because all of this VR like AR stuff I
00:41:21
would imagine that there's going to be more of that cuz Apple's doing that with a 2d like panoramic image but Apple
00:41:27
could easily have you do a you know full capture I could picture a world where on
00:41:32
the next iPhone or with the next pixel phone or whatever you just stand in place and kind of like scanning your face for face ID you just point your
00:41:38
phone all around you like a magic wand and once you've hit all the spots it'll Stitch it all together into this
00:41:44
like photop sphere it's literally it's a it's a great name it's a sphere of photos stitched together where you can
00:41:50
just look around this image that you're in and now that they have wide angle cameras which they did not have back in 2016 or actually that was like 2012 the
00:41:57
photo sphere was early I was using it on my Galaxy S3 Galaxy Nexus for me yeah I never used one it wasn't that it was at
00:42:04
the time it was pretty Niche it was like wow you know how you can like step in like the Google Maps like like look at
00:42:10
street view stuff you can take your own yeah and for like the six of us nerds we were like I can take my own start taking
00:42:16
them yeah it was sweet yeah do you know when they killed Photosphere is this a not a trivia question just random I remember them killing it um did they kill it I'm surprised they did they
00:42:28
don't usually do that so that's what I thought so turns out they got rid of it right before the pixel
00:42:34
8 oh which is very mean you could go find a like pixel 6 or something to me that says they're going to update it in some really fancy way are you saying it was still in the pixel 6 UI was
00:42:48
somewhere deep in the settings or something who that's awesome crazy huh I should have been taking them all these years yeah I could put them in the
00:42:55
Vision Pro when you search Google Photosphere it just says Google and then the link says Photosphere it says no
00:43:01
information is available on this page then it says learn why learn why oh another little news
00:43:08
blurb so originally The Vision Pro the rumor was it was going to come out in March and now the rumor is that it's going to come out in January which means we're only a month away yeah I'm ready
00:43:19
which I'm ready for ready I'm excited hope that's a correct hopefully that's a correct rumor yeah so yeah can't wait to
00:43:26
come back and you guys jack in the meterse I'm going have to start doing neck muscle exercises cuz
00:43:32
like I said I wor that thing for 15 minutes and I was ready to take it out you can do the F1 uh yeah thing where
00:43:38
they like pull neck yeah I need that I need that I need the F1 exercise all right we got to take a quick break but
00:43:44
before we do one more trivia [Music] question question number two Google just released their new large language model
00:43:55
Gemini named after the zodiac sign it's twins so with that twin theme in mind where
00:44:02
did Google how did Google arrive at the name Gemini for their new large language
00:44:08
model and I have some multiple choices to guide you guys a to trick us the merger of Lambda and palm 2 those are both previous large language models
00:44:19
by Google right or maybe just Transformer models doesn't matter b it's the merger of keep mind and Google brain which if you may remember we actually covered in another trivia question mhm
00:44:32
yeah and I got it right C show off it's a reference to NASA's Gemini missions which paved the way for the Apollo missions or D Google secretly created a
00:44:46
virtual environment where Lambda and palm 2 could argue about the name of Google's new llm after several hours of
00:44:54
closed loop processing they came to the name I really hope that's that's what I want it to be really bad oh man that's
00:45:00
just how they make all their decisions inredible that'd be amazing use that use that that's a fun that's defitely don't know that one cool we'll get to the answers at the end of the show like
00:45:13
usual be right back all right welcome back um since I've missed a few weeks there's a couple things I saw you guys got to talk about
00:45:31
and I thought maybe we could go over a couple of them that I have a a thought or two on you been dying to chime in
00:45:37
I've been dying to chime in I also haven't had the chance to watch all the episodes so maybe I'm repeating but when I look through the notes it seemed like
00:45:43
I it was something a little different so see your thoughts on it see if you disagree with me see if I'm just repeating the same stuff best of but for
00:45:50
four weeks oh yeah actually the first thing can someone grab the standby Migo oh it's set up set in a set yeah oh you haven't seen that I haven't seen it yet I saved I saved it when David was out
00:46:02
cuz I really wanted David to be here and then my daughter came and then I missed the week that we did it so but I still
00:46:07
wanted to make sure David see it something the next thing I have is the Humane AI pin which I missed even though
00:46:13
we've been talking about for a very long time you didn't miss much and I kind of well the thing is is I kind of before
00:46:18
mentioned my biggest issue with it which is the thing so many Tech things have tried that's using a camera to try and
00:46:26
calculate the amount of calories or macronutrients or stuff of food yes I do not think this is possible with any technology that we have right now because there are way too many variables
00:46:38
to ever be able to do this I hear me out I will but I I disagree combine all of the tech we already have MH plus with just Vision with Vision Plus Google's
00:46:53
alleged technology that knows so much about your life that it can predict the way you would prepare that food no
00:47:00
because what if you go to a restaurant it knows what if you have the wrong cooking oil at home that day it knows
00:47:06
you're at a restaurant because of your GPS location when you ask but how does it know what they prepar oil they used
00:47:12
how does it know the exact size average what that dish could it won't be exact but it'll be closer than which feels
00:47:19
like not the reason to be counting like nutrients like you generally are wanting to be pretty precise on with like the
00:47:26
Almond example right theoretically what you could do is you could use the vision
00:47:31
to semantically understand these are eight almonds eight almonds and then fetch nutritional information for
00:47:38
almonds and then do the calculation and then come back uh it doesn't currently do that are they salted are they candied
00:47:44
are they unsalted like there's just even in just that situation which seems like the easiest one possible that's a wildly
00:47:51
different amount of Marquez is right like we have the technology to get this done whether or not like a camera you
00:47:58
know if you you need some sort of like blunt force driver to homogenize the food and then you put it in a chamber that has a sensor that could sort of chemically detect what was going on and
00:48:09
then for the nutritional value it would get sent to another chamber that would you know use acid to render it down into
00:48:15
its core Parts isn't the way we find out caloric and then a large we can have a large language model you know take all that info and explain to you
00:48:26
and then just eject it at the end I just need a it just needs a robotic mouth that chews the food and figures it all
00:48:31
out from that and then baby birds it back funny if you went to a restaurant and you're like oh all of my AI tell me
00:48:37
the full the macronutrients and then a full humanoid Terminator eats all of your food and speaking of robotic mouths
00:48:45
did you guys see this thing on Twitter the other day where someone built a fullon like robotic mouth that measures
00:48:52
the force it takes to eat certain foods and they did it on a Cheeto and you can just see it slowly adding more Force to
00:48:59
the Cheeto and the numbers going up until it explodes that's kind of awesome yeah I did not see that but yeah so now
00:49:04
they know the exact amount of chewing force that it takes to eat a hydraulic press but for chewing yeah cool right
00:49:10
but yeah I just wanted to say speaking but I think you guys covered everything my thoughts on the AI pin but
00:49:17
that food thing I just there like the June oven tries to figure out stuff that's inside of it it's not even telling me calories and it's wrong 90%
00:49:24
of the time that one just has an offline catalog in a camera and it's like does it look like the thing I know even with
00:49:29
an online there's just so many different variables on type of oils you're using when you're cooking are you frying it
00:49:35
are you baking it there's just way way way too much to ever and then like I feel like at a certain point if you're being that vague about it I don't think you care about counting calories that
00:49:46
much yeah I feel like you could potentially take the like generic food you know you could have a eggplant Parmesan and it searches what egg plant parmesans let's take 10 of them take the
00:49:57
average calorie count of 10 par but like you said like I mean the the problem is even if you're manually trying to do
00:50:04
macro counting and stuff if you go to a restaurant you literally cannot because you cannot have them give you the exact
00:50:10
list and the exact amount that they make things with like that will just never happen so you're already guessing so my
00:50:16
fitness palette is not super you know specific um so I think my like biggest issue with it was just in a not very
00:50:22
many examples of their video that being one of the felt bigger examples and I just don't think it's possible or like
00:50:29
useful at all also currently I would never ask a large language model if there's something I'm deathly allergic
00:50:34
to that seems yeah unless it's just straight up like I'm holding peanuts and I'm allergic to
00:50:40
them good to know it's like when people say are there is there a b in in the word blueberry and it's like no or if
00:50:47
you just like point it at a a tray of brownies and say are there nuts in these and it doesn't see any on the surface so it says no and then it's full of nuts
00:50:53
and then you die yeah it literally can't tell from Vision it literally can't tell yeah that's why you need to turn it into
00:50:59
the liquid like ell said yeah just have it digest it for you and then baby birded you that's perfect we also we
00:51:05
have the standby me go over here yeah um it is at the producer table right now wow wait Ellis rotate it to be uh
00:51:12
portrait orientation oh yeah that's that's oh my God it's so cool it's so cool okay for audio listeners there was a portrait photo of Ellis on the the
00:51:25
Stand By Me Go when it was in landscape so we figured let's turn it to Portrait so it'll be the full picture and it
00:51:31
Shrunk the picture so it's still in portrait but playing landscape on the actual monitor oh my God that's funny I
00:51:37
still love it I dig the color a lot yeah we're using it in upcoming video to be a fireplace which is we got log and the
00:51:44
speakers play the it's really heavy did you get to it yet let me hold it one second oh my god when you if you hold it
00:51:51
closed with the with the handle it is so heavy it's lighter than than the other briefcase thing we have which is a
00:51:57
scooter 40 lb it's lighter than that this is 30 yeah oh it's still 30 yeah it's still 30 lb it's really heavy and
00:52:04
it's very dense the camping influencers that they used I think was the perfect use case for this thing yeah you're not
00:52:09
really carrying it you're more just like packing it places keeping it in with your luggage or whatever right sure it's
00:52:16
still heavy as hell though yeah yeah all right I just held it it's heavy yeah yeah I don't know I could like kind of see it as being a cool thing to like if you have it your house and you have
00:52:29
people over and you wanted to play like jackbox games like outside on the patio or something like how much is it again
00:52:35
$1,000 okay maybe not that this or the Moto compacto I vote Moto compacto every day it's so cool same price they're both a thousand there's also some really nice I think Asus makes them portable USBC
00:52:48
monitors that they're like 150 bucks they're thinner th like computer and Os and UI you know cool you got to you got to hook something up to the Asus monitor
00:53:00
no that's true yeah I guess if you were just this you could just like connect to your internet connection and watch YouTube videos just going off like an i
00:53:06
yeah no you're right you're you're right I was thinking much more like professionally you know like you show up
00:53:12
at a at a gig and you want a second display well it's in a briefcase so it's professional painted black and it's real professional there you go all right I still hope that that's how people do
00:53:25
crime money exchanges through crypto is they bring their their crypto wallet on the standby me go so they can still plop it on the table and open up the case and show all the money off that they
00:53:38
have um all right the next thing I have and maybe this so the Sam Alman CEO debacle I missed that completely that sounded like a fun one luck I know I'm not that it was very confusing it's a
00:53:51
lot I guess I just don't know much about Sam Alman it seems like people were pumped that he's back did you watch the
00:53:56
episode I didn't it was the most insane like Friday to Monday experience of M yeah I watched you guys freaking out on slack it seemed like a lot it a lot I just want everyone to remember that this
00:54:08
guy made a weird orb thing for confirming when you're buying crypto it's like a crypto DMV yeah I just thought that world coin you don't remember this vag there's this orb that
00:54:21
that he brings around to people and it scans their eyes to like verify their ID and then you use that and the the pitch
00:54:28
of worldcoin is that eventually when we hit AGI and nobody like needs to work anymore crypto is going to be the way that we like that we transact for things
00:54:39
and so you have you're going to have to have human verification and the only way to do that is through retina
00:54:44
verification I just don't get it and I can't believe it just surprises me that the person who did this is also the
00:54:50
person that's running one of the arguably the most are you surprised like technological advanced things going on
00:54:57
is also a huge Doomsday prepper wow we know a lot about this guy I didn't know that either casify I missed that whole thing that was fun that seemed like fun Bastion of
00:55:10
originality it was like one of those things where I had the exact same thoughts again it's like well this seems copied but it's also just the internals
00:55:16
of a phone and then the just all of the evidence of the exact same things being stolen and in such a worse quality and being I can't believe I mean I know a
00:55:27
debrand case is 50 bucks but I can't believe there's a case in Best Buy where people would probably just like walk by
00:55:33
and buy a phone case and it's $75 people would buy that just $75 phone Cas I can
00:55:40
understand people maybe buying $75 phone cases but as like a little cardboard kiosk thing at like Best Buy when you're
00:55:47
just walking by yeah I'm surprised and couldn't be me it's worse quality I think that is a Best Buy decision I
00:55:53
don't know what the wholesale price is but Best Buy decided that that was a70 something dollar case yeah yeah that that was a whole that was some fun drama
00:56:01
to to watch and uh see kind of the entirety of the internet take the same side dbrand also always just makes legal stuff very entertaining lawsuit as PR
00:56:12
yeah welcome back yeah yeah it was fun that's and it's hard to do that unless you are very in the right yeah and if
00:56:19
they can pull that off and everyone's on their side then something well the fact that the castify people like didn't
00:56:24
realize all the Easter eggs that they added in and so they had like robots and like seemed like the most low effort
00:56:31
possible thing for that company to do I think the one thing they took away that they definitely thought was an Easter egg but didn't want it is like on the
00:56:38
Samsung battery I think it said like sub and then on one of the the ribbon cables and then they put CBE under it so it
00:56:45
said like subscribe so they probably just thought it only said subscribe and they changed that to the casify logo but
00:56:51
really the sub was actually real and like but right next to it was the 1111 and they didn't take that away so like you know they even actively tried to change things on there to make it not
00:57:03
seem more effort to try to change this badly than it would have taken them to just go do their own thing unfortunately
00:57:10
yeah um and then like kind of the this I thought was really funny but you guys did talk about Grand Theft Auto and
00:57:17
having like wild numbers I don't think you talked about but the thing I found the funniest about this whole thing was
00:57:24
um Linda from Twitter tweeting like why aren't you posting this on Twitter yeah we talked about that okay but but like did you talk about how it was just so like the whole discussion on Twitter
00:57:36
was a bunch of the developers being like we had this whole thing planned tomorrow we were going to watch the launch of it
00:57:42
we were going to have a great day celebrating and Twitter's the one who leaked it and like Twitter being it
00:57:47
leaked ruined their day and it all got leaked and now the CEO of Twitter is like hey why don't you post it on
00:57:53
Twitter instead look how many Impressions it got got which just felt like a slap in the face to the people that were like so excited and got
00:57:59
something ruined through Twitter on one hand it's clear that people on Twitter really want to see it on the other hand Linda read the room yeah read the room
00:58:05
it's just like it feels like another thing that Twitter is now just run by people that do not understand the platform at all and I know that's more
00:58:11
specific and she's got a lot of other better things to be doing probably but like someone probably should have been
00:58:17
like they probably also got way better ad revenue on YouTube oh oh I'm sure and and you the YouTube numbers crushed the
00:58:23
Twitter numb million yeah and like I trust those numbers way more than I trust the Twitter the Twitter numbers
00:58:28
were all like Impressions ex just means they scrolled by it here's the thing about that the YouTube one I mean it was a
00:58:37
very runchy video I don't think it probably did very well with ads oh that's a good point but I don't think
00:58:42
Rockstar cares about ads either on that that was a they could have served blueo ads 100 million views is 100 million
00:58:48
views no matter whether you have ads or not like that's what you're there for yeah uh so that's interesting that's a good point thing who knows my biggest
00:58:55
grip about that was just kind of like it felt like a slap in the face to the people who were saying like this kind of
00:59:00
ruined our day of launch and then being like well why don't you come over here it's like cuz you kind of just ruined it
00:59:06
um and then the last thing I had was Bieber mini but I feel like we kind of talked about that a little bit already um what's your opinion it seems like I
00:59:14
think my biggest issue and this will stem based on whether RCS coming in the future if we know it has encryption or
00:59:20
not but we're seeing a lot like beeper being like well Apple doesn't care about encryption for their users when they talk to people
00:59:27
on Android um but it feels weird doing that after RCS was finally announced because that's the play Google's been doing for so long and it took so long yeah Apple's they can't be on it feels
00:59:37
like you can't like at this point that's not the argument anymore like they should have encryption on both sides but that should be coming hopefully um this is also though coming from somebody who
00:59:48
has never use iMessage and if I had the opportunity to use iMessage on my Android I wouldn't this is one of those
00:59:53
I was going to ask you this so if beeper mini worked perfectly exactly as advertised would you use it no but
00:59:59
that's nothing against beeper mini I just I don't care I've never used iMessage so maybe I don't know what I'm
01:00:04
missing CU there's a couple of things like you might have a family member who sends you pictures and they're all super blurry or you might have a that's the
01:00:10
biggest thing right now I can react to things with RCS now yeah I guess the video stuff but I usually also I have a
01:00:17
lot of family members on Android weirdly enough my mom my aunt and uncle like a lot of them and so that you can send
01:00:24
full res with the kids and stuff and it's fine uh we just have a Google album that
01:00:29
we share yeah that's the easiest thing I think when I was in college both most of my friends were on Android and on the
01:00:35
west coast in California most people use Facebook Messenger so none of it was a problem wow Facebook is yeah yeah
01:00:43
Facebook Messenger in California is like overwhelmingly popular whereas on the East Coast here it's all iMessage weird
01:00:50
yeah so slowly those friends all transition to iPhones which made my life a little bit harder um and then I also
01:00:58
just don't use Facebook Messenger anymore so almost at all yeah more you know yeah didn't know that so yeah that
01:01:04
was just my quick recap obviously you guys covered a lot of stuff that I wasn't that deep into if I can go
01:01:10
through all of it in a third of an episode but just thought I'd throw some uh opinions out there that I'll probably
01:01:17
get roasted for so cool yeah glad I did that glad I I get to go home now take care of the kid and read mean comments
01:01:23
let's do it well we get a couple more main comments to the answers to our trivia questions so uh let's do trivia
01:01:30
my answer is just use WhatsApp the other meta messaging app yeah correction from last week's trivia before this week's trivia oh um we said
01:01:42
last week that the fastest production car or excuse me the first production car to hit 200 mil hour was the Dodge
01:01:51
Charger Daytona but some people informed us that while you could buy the Dodge Charger
01:01:58
Daytona with the Hemi 426 that set the record the version you could buy at the dealership was not tuned to go 200 mes hour so while that car in its
01:02:11
configuration could could in theory go 200 mes hour and was documented to do so the car you buy at the dealership would require a little bit of tuning to get right um and probably better break to
01:02:24
make it safe so do we know the real answer to which was first to 200 mil it seems like it was a Ferrari from about
01:02:30
20 years later um that you could buy I was hoping it was the answer that I put be untouched and it would just go I'm
01:02:37
not giving you any points because I'm fickle no I was wrong I had the buatti ve on so I was wrong but trivia question
01:02:44
number one caster and pox are two bright stars in the northern hemisphere that make up
01:02:50
what constellation are you sure it's not Jackson and poock nope it is not that's
01:02:57
a president that's to that's not a president no that was Andrew J yeah it's an artist it's an artist also that uh whole Ferrari thing
01:03:11
that I did not realize was going to be such a controversial question because even the things we were looking up
01:03:16
online people were like it's hard to find the right answer to this sounds we just picked a super a super crazy anyway
01:03:23
flip him and read I don't know very many constellations so I just wrote Gemini we
01:03:28
all wrote Gemini but I also put the little Google AI logo that everyone uses for some
01:03:33
reason really no I'm joking correct I you guys all figured out in the first one I didn't figure it out
01:03:40
till later in the episode and then you had like the light bulb moment so quick update on the score after that Marquez
01:03:47
with 17 cool Andrew with one two carry the one 13 now oh hey and David with 16 what's was David's last job sorry I also become more annoying
01:04:04
I'm gonna throw this out here real quick marquez's answer to my twitch handle was wrong but warranted it was my old
01:04:12
in-game name from when I first started playing Halo till like probably sometime in college probably like 10 plus years it was too correct it was too correct you were too deep in the Andrew lore
01:04:24
yeah dang it dang question number two according to a Wired Magazine article where did Google get the name for their Gemini llm a a merger of Lambda and palm 2 B
01:04:40
the merger of Deep Mind and Google brain which we covered in another Trivia episode trivia
01:04:46
question c a reference to the NASA Gemini missions which predated which predated and paved the way for the Apollo missions or D Google actually
01:04:59
created a virtual environment where Lambda and palm 2 could argue about the name of Google's new llm and after several hours of closed loop processing came to the name
01:05:11
of Gemini how why were you writing for so long we'll see because he was doing that thing where he read the letter block case maybe
01:05:25
they're always very impressive thank you you're welcome I'm not confident about my answer at all neither am I I'm fairly confident I hope we all put different
01:05:36
answers I kind of think we all put the same answer no we didn't Well's see your same
01:05:43
answer what is that D wrote Sai no C oh I wrote D because I just want it to be true okay hold hold on hold on hold on hold on hold on uh D sorry I put C I
01:05:55
also put C that is correct but it also represents a merger of Deep Mind and Google brain wired cited both reasons does that just mean because they're they
01:06:06
were twins sort of and they became one yes so what's the updated score Marquez with 18 David with 17 and Andrew with
01:06:18
one two one missed it to be honest um 13 baby 13 13 let's go let's go Bingo well that was fun uh thanks for listening thanks for
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01:07:28
thank you you're welcome I'll do it it's meatball day I had meatballs yesterday