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[Music] all right what's going on everybody welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts i'm
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marquez and i'm andrew and today let's see we're going to talk about the teslaplat event i feel like i've got a lot of thoughts on that and
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what elon tweeted before and all the announcements in the car itself but also we've got windows 11 leaks and
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everyone's favorite social media platform making a watch maybe a facebook watch might have some rants about that
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yeah maybe first though adam found this really cool website and it's ranks the most used internet browsers
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and at first i was like cool i i'm gonna know everything this says okay i was actually like
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really surprised by some of the results yeah you mentioned this to me and i'm trying to figure out what you mean by
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that so first i want to just say it you can check it out in a couple different ways
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you can like do based on desktop or mobile or everything like that but if we're just assuming all platforms here what if you
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had to guess what do you think is the most popular internet browser okay is this worldwide
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worldwide worldwide all platforms most use internet browser so just the way i think about that
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is when you said most use internet browser i'm like what's everyone's default on their phone yep that's right and most people on the iphone are using
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safari and but there's way more android phones and i guess most of those are using chrome
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and then desktop desktop might be a little bit an odd one to predict because there's a lot
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of people using older browsers who just don't care um so okay most
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popular worldwide all platforms worldwide number one i would guess is chrome okay thanks to android
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number two i would guess is safari because of the iphone
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okay do you want to guess number three real quick that's tough one third is actually really close between a couple but
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i i only know so many browsers i know about firefox and i know about opera and i know about
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some older ones like maxthon and there's even some privacy focus like
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brave browser and things like that you're missing one really obviously i mean internet explorer and edge exist because people just use
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the default on windows yeah or does that make it number five i mean i guess it still gets a use case so it still gets
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used and like you said it's a default maybe it is number three i'm gonna go internet explorer
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okay number three well we're going to call it edge because internet explorer is not really a thing anymore right um
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yeah you're right but do you want to go ahead and open up that link okay yeah finally open it up because i think you
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may be surprised at the percentages of it this is 64 chrome
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wow 18 safari and then edge is all the way down at 3.37 followed by firefox 3.36 and then
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samsung internet and opera around three and two wow is now is that because of the
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dominance of android well like i was trying to figure this out and it is cool in a second we're gonna go down and we're gonna click
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through a couple of these different um there's like you can sort it by just desktop oh i want to do that and and one was
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the tablet one is really interesting so i was trying to think of this my first thought was like you said there
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are way more androids in the world and i just as a pixel user i'm just assuming it's chrome as the default but
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then i see over here samsung internet so is sam samsung internet is the default internet browser for samsung phones
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right true so you kind of can't count it as while i'm sure a lot of people especially
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listening to this podcast probably install chrome on their samsung phone i know i used to
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i bet a lot i bet the majority of them are using samsung internet right and is that does that not fall
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onto chrome then even if it's like chromium-based it would be like samsung internet i mean i don't know enough about it but i'm assuming if it's
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listed here it's probably okay it's own thing i was just surprised at how
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but because of how many iphones and because of how many macs there are and because of how many ipads there are i thought safari would be at least like
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30 in second place i mean i thought it'd be way closer yeah 18 of worldwide is pretty good but
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i would expect a little higher from all those iphones and i also definitely expected edge
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to be higher because it's just the default on all windows systems so that means i mean if that doesn't tell you how bad
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edges or how little confidence people have in internet explorer which is now edge
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i don't know what to tell you anymore because there's obviously more than three percent of the market share of windows computers
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out there the the tablet one is interesting the tablet one's the coolest the tablet one has a char they all have
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a chart and i found this interesting because currently we have chrome at 46 percent
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safari at 40 um for tablets but the chart has a history where safari
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was at 50 percent i didn't actually look at that and has crossed under and lost and conceded first place
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recently in march like two months ago so that that's pretty interesting but again is that because ipads have stopped
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growing and you've just gotten more and more random android tablets out there in the world running chrome or are they just
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switching to chrome on the ipad i don't know my guess would be that ipad has just dominated for so long that's why i
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was ahead and now like you said i don't know if ipad sales are growing as fast as android sales are because
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lots of people haven't found an android tablet that they love and more and more are coming out and more and more have potential to be
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a good android tablet whereas we've had a great apple tablet for so long yeah um it does
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i am a little surprised when you go to mobile let's see mobile still is like
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i thought safari would be higher but i guess this is worldwide if we switch you can switch this to us
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yeah in the us i bet it's way higher let's see so i go to mobile and then i go to
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united states of america goes ahead 54 there you go
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so that would that would that would literally just be a count of like most people on the iphone using safari
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as their default lots of people use chrome on the iphone by the way but yeah just the overall default you can expect to dominate
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and then chrome being 38 uh that's going to be a lot of people on android phones shout out to
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samsung internet pulling in third place at 4.5 there it is it's in its own category
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followed by firefox and opera pulls up a half a percent so i guess when you if you switch to desktop browser edge
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does go up to 11 so i guess that makes more sense i still think that feels low which is pretty
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surprising um oh wait that's 11 in just u.s man there's so many options you can do i
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kind of wish i could pick every single thing that wasn't the u.s and base it on that
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remove the on desktop edge is only eight percent
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not even 10 i'm i'm happy about that yeah that's right i was thinking sorry isn't even 10
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when you initially asked me what's the most popular browser i immediately went oh my god it's probably internet explorer it's probably edge it's
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probably number one because people just don't have you know there's tons of people out there who don't change but there are way more mobile users of
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internet browsers out there period there's lots of people who have phones that don't have a desktop or a laptop this really just
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shows that and it always i always know it but it always surprises me how big that percentage is and um i
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think one last thing i want to say on here is as a firefox user it kills me to see edge above firefox
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and it makes me feel like a little hipster it's an enthusiast browser which i don't get why i use it because i
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wouldn't consider myself the enthusiast that would take advantage of it but my boss when i did it just also used it
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so i just started using it and i've loved it since then and uh yeah kind of sad to see it so low have
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you tried chrome on desktop you just don't want yeah no i used to use chrome all the time i just i think it came to a point where my
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boss was using it and i was just watching my ram just get eaten by chrome i don't know if
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that's a fixed or just still like a meme i know i see the meme all the time it's still half true okay yeah but yeah firefox has just
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worked really well for me so i've just gotten used to it and kept using word well speaking of
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yeah this is too hard of a segue speaking of huge companies making products that not
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everybody wants speaking of the facebook watch have you heard about the facebook yeah yeah okay well there's a rumor i'll
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just just just to give some background to people there's this is literally just a rumor i don't think there's any
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uh official information there's not really any much credible leaks but there's a rumor that
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facebook may be working on a smart watch uh with some cameras in it oh i didn't
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oh i mean why can't why wouldn't it have a camera two cameras and a facebook smart watch
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so you remember facebook portal right yes okay that i mean facebook's reputation uh
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as a social network is one thing but facebook's reputation as a company is not the best especially when it comes
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to privacy and information and data arguably the worst when it comes to people
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it's not great yeah it's not great so when you hear facebook making a smart watch that uh they they did actually try to
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make a smartphone a couple years ago by the way the cha-cha it it was with htc i now remember it it was awful it
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there's no reason to remember it i'm not shocked that you don't remember it was one of the fastest discontinued
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products of all time i think i might have made a video about like the fastest discontinued products
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before the cha cha and this like took the throne really yeah it was like three months or something crazy like that
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but um yeah i wasn't shocked when that failed but when you hear facebook okay they might make a smart watch you think
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okay it's kind of along the same lines of like an unnecessary piece of hardware it's an accessory to an android phone
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why would i want the facebook version and then the one fact that just keeps
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getting attached to this smartwatch rumor is that it might have cameras on it i'm reading a little bit right now it says
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camera on the front uh exists primarily for video calling while a 1080p autofocus camera on the back what is the
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back of a watch first of all um it can be used for capturing footage when detached from the
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stainless steel frame on the right so literally the back so you would so you would i don't know
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about shooting video like this i can't what i cannot wait to see
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people walking around in like doors places that's really holding their watch straps
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trying to take photos of things i imagined okay i imagine for the for the audio only listeners i imagine it's on
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your wrist and the top of the watch that faces away from you would be like your camera to face away from you and you
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take videos of almost like you uh like the sony mirrorless cameras where you can flip the screen up
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vertically so you're looking down on it while it's facing forward so it's a 90 degree angle from the view you're looking at yeah that would make
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sense it would make sense functionally it's just stupid anyway because no one would use it yeah you can by the way use the apple watch
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as a viewfinder for your iphone so you can open the camera app on the
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watch and it literally just opens the camera on the iphone and you can use it as a viewfinder and can you tap shutter on that yeah you can shut her on the watch
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it'll take a photo on the phone but cameras living on the watch feels like number one it's going to look weird
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maybe a little clunky you're already trying to minimize bezels on a smart watch that's typically the form factor you want to go
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for on a higher end smartwatch and if this is a a dual camera smartwatch design that
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just doesn't seem like it's going to look any good i'll give them like facetime calling like
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okay sure that might actually be something like maybe you're just like quickly at the store and you
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want to like i still don't get why people facetime like at the store or at the gym always really confuses me
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but yeah i'll give it that facebook is attempting to connect people through video with portal like we saw so
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this would be another one the camera on the back just it makes no sense but i cannot wait to see people in the wild
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i'm trying to picture filming with it yeah i don't i see i do see lots of face times just like out
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in the like the gym locker room before i've seen it in the gym i've seen it i've seen people driving while face
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timing yeah that's a huge if anyone does that on this podcast i'm very upset with you i'm disappointed
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i've i've seen that through people's windows i've seen people facetiming just walking around in the streets which is it could happen i guess that's fine but
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um there is almost no reason i can think of why someone would want
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the camera to be on their wrist and by facebook of all kinds exactly i think that's what the next thing we're kind of
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getting at here is like if there's i have not seen anyone really use the portal
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and i think we all know why because why would you just voluntarily put a camera and microphone connected to facebook in your home now
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why would you take it one step closer and just put it on your wrist and now is potentially tracking
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all your health stuff as well like am i gonna start getting blood pressure medication on my facebook ads if i start wearing
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this or like that feels like a invasion of privacy but if
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we all know facebook's motto it's pretty much where invading your privacy yeah like if you if you go all the way to the
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extreme like if facebook could have it their way they they announce a watch it's got sensors on it cameras on it connects to
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your facebook account you know how like the oculus quest you need a facebook you needed a facebook account
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um this would be the same way like you need a facebook account you have this watch and then it would just sell
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it would just give all your information back to facebook to help target ads better and make a better facebook product that if they could have it their
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way i'm sure that's what happened you would start getting ads based on like things the watch notices about you
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things you've said around the watch i'm just imagining like every weird uh like medicine
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commercial we're used to seeing in the u.s and just like now that coming up and being like does
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my watch know something i don't why am i getting ads for like high blood pressure or something like that i was just thinking about this
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also this is one of the one of the most impressive things about the apple watch is how much it knows about you
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and doesn't relay back to apple like there's a bunch of locally collected information and a bunch of like apple
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values privacy at least in that way where they'll keep a bunch of stuff on device um
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but this watch knows a lot about me with all the sensors and all the heart rate information and the exact times that i go to sleep and
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wake up every day and like all this you know you know blood glucose measuring is one of the rumors they're
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gonna have all these other sensors in the watch and it just knows so much about me that if apple decided to flip a switch
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on privacy and just was like you know what we're just gonna sell all this information they would have a lot of information yeah i i don't know how much they could
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do with all that well i'm sure they could do plenty with it yeah i don't know i don't know how to feel about that but this kind of leads me to a little
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fun question i have also a quick point yeah the the hipaa stuff you're not allowed
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to share uh public or you're not allowed to share uh health information about people
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that you collect if it is a certain type of health information because that's the way health information works uh
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unless you sign that stuff away willingly which i feel like could very easily be tossed into terms of service that
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you accept maybe who knows yeah we're we're clearly speculating here so don't
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take anything yeah as uh take it with a grant this is not medical advice this is definitely not medical or
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lo or legal advice you are trying to collect people's data or financial
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advice um but we had a quick little question or like a couple of us were saying like what would you have like how good would
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the facebook watch have to be for you to be okay with wearing something made by facebook on your wrist
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all the time because like we always talk about apple watch is just so far ahead there aren't a lot of android watches i
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mean yes there are android watches that people like but i think we can all agree there's not one
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over the top clear winner android one there's no match to the apple watch exactly so what would
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this have to do for you to be like hi mark okay are we assuming it has to have the cameras on it
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do you want to take the cameras off i'm just yeah let's assume it has to have the cameras on it because like you're we're saying how good does this
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have to be for basically you'd have a total invasion of privacy yeah basically uh um if i just go right
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to the top and it's literally an apple watch made by facebook with two cameras on it i
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still wouldn't want it and like pairs equally as well with all of your yeah products
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the apple watch exists and i would just pick that over this ever so this has to be something better than the output it has to be better than the apple watch in some way
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it would have to have like i don't know like some insane highly
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technical like maybe the battery life is a month and it does all the stuff the apple watch does super responsive
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i just don't i don't think there's anything they can do to make me want this smartwatch it's hard i think this
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is this is turning more into like make your dream smartwatch and then still not want it because it's connected
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to facebook but i mean i think the first thing i would want i would want it to look like a real watch i'd like the style aspect of it to be
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better um i would want it to be super thin but like you said crazy battery life i still
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am a little upset at how thick a lot of smart watches are and i mean watches are pretty thick in general as
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well but batteries um yeah batteries are thick it's hard but again i really don't want facebook on my
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wrist either so yeah let's make it hard for you yeah i think it's it's probably not going to be
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yeah facebook if you're listening take a lot of notes on what happened to the cha-cha just
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remember that remember i'm sure they will never forget that yeah but yeah i think the the biggest thing here is i cannot wait
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to see people filming with their watch that sounds hilarious there needs to be an instagram page dedicated to like
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people of walmart but people filming with a facebook watch i i'd follow that in a heartbeat i hate it
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uh we were going to talk about windows 8 a little bit that is windows 11.
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talk about internet explorer um yeah no windows 11 has gotten leaked a little bit we're going to we're expecting to see officially
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windows 11 stuff pretty soon june 24th i think is their event okay so it's coming right up but uh do you have any thoughts on what
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we've seen so far yeah i'll describe it quickly because like i mean
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people have almost the full version there's a couple things not quite working but i think the main difference we see
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and with most browsers is like how does it look on your desktop like what has changed there
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and the main thing they've done here is cleaning up the toolbar on the bottom and centering it
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and then when you hit that start menu the start menu is now also centered and it's it's pinned apps
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it's all app based kind of on the top and then at the bottom has a couple recent files recent folders stuff like
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that um so it's it's much different and it very much is kind of going along the same design
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pattern as like mac os or chrome os which is just center based big app
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buttons it it feels like it's going more towards like almost a mobile platform i don't know why centering it bothers me
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so much it does luckily you can go back to left the line okay for me windows i'm just so used to left
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align and like maybe that's the old person in me i'm sure most people who like windows like
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it well everyone's used to it every version has it's always always been left alone always always always been like that as
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far as i can remember um and yeah it looks weird in the middle to me
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but maybe that's just me not being ready for change um i've always i've always kind of liked that windows felt a little more like
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file based and a little less user-friendly but if we're being honest that's because we're nerds and most
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people would probably enjoy this better it's much it's much easier it's much cleaner apps are like super big and easy to see
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and they're all just right in the middle so i get it yeah to me honestly desktop os's have always been
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and probably always should be pretty boring like i i do my file management and i move
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things around and i use the programs but the os itself doesn't really need to do that much for
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me it just needs to look good and clean and simple and work the way i intuitively expect it to like mac os versus windows to me
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is not that exciting of a debate because i could i could use either yeah it's just like do you move the window controls to the left or the right
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like do you move the menu bar to the top or keep it on the window like small details are are sort of minimal but
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at the end of the day it's about the programs i'm running on the os that i care way more about so windows 11
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is is cool and it's exciting i'm sure for some people i heard there's a new startup sound uh which is neat yeah there is one um
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i'm sure adam can add that in it's in this article we have which i'll
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also post in the show notes because that's a lot of pictures i do there's a photo in here with it left aligned i do think
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it being back on the left side i think it looks better than windows 10. it's a little more compact i like that the search bar is a button
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that you press and i'm assuming expands into the search bar rather than windows 10 just had the search bar there already all the
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time um but i do enjoy that there's a couple little other things there's like
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some new on the maximize button some new ways to structure windows into pre-planned places and yep that's what
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an os is yep that's simple yeah not too much i think there's some new xbox console stuff on here um but yeah june
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24th should be the announcement for all of it my favorite thing about this was um
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tom warren's video where he opened up the notifications panel on the side and he took his mouse
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and he just slid over and just dismissed the notifications by sliding mac os craig take some notes baby
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there are good stuff two more quick things rounded corners just design change and then widgets
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which i did want to talk about i actually thought widgets weren't really a thing anymore but i looked it up and apparently you can do them on windows 10
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but i really think vista just left such a sour taste in everyone's mouth that i don't know a single person that
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uses windows widgets anymore um do you remember those i do i remember actually
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really looking forward to windows vista because wasn't that right after xp everyone did because it was like it was
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a pretty dramatic change super dramatic change like very visually yeah because we had xp for a while and
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it was flat and it was opaque and we had all these like very clear well-defined
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aesthetic looks and then vista was like this translucent like glassy thing and it was going to be
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so new and fresh and modern and so i was really looking forward to vista i remember wanting a new gpu
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just specifically so i could have this great vista experience uh and it was it was all right that was
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right yeah it was like very bubbly you felt like you were uh do you know that uh
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what's that board game with the in the middle i think it's called trouble where it has like that big bubble with the dice inside it and you
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press it okay like that's what the buttons like the start button felt like on vista and then the widgets were just
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so bad there was all these like 3d circular look terrible they've always been weird even
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on uh on mac os for the longest time you had a dashboard thing where you could just swipe in a bunch of widgets and they're
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just you just have a calculator and a weather widget and just a bunch of random widgets that you could be just great if they put that on ipad
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but uh yeah but you know desktop os keep it simple
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yeah all right so let's talk about tesla's latest event their latest product and their latest
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situation with plaid model s and x so yeah that's the latest is tesla's model s and x their higher
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end vehicles now have a plaid version and they're they're both essentially getting refreshed entirely
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so there's a new long range model s l focus on model s and a plaid model s long range model s is
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dual motor we'll get about 400 miles of range and we'll do zero to 60 in 3.1 seconds i think
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and then plaid model s is triple motor and they have this immense focus on that powertrain and that performance
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and it'll do 390 miles which is pretty dang impressive and 0 to 60 in 1.99 seconds
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asterisk we'll get to that so generally the biggest thing actually here to me is the interior refresh because that's
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like really what happened with this car is there's a new interior have you seen it you've seen the yeah i think i mean clearly the yolk is
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the biggest thing it's something we all thought we didn't really think was gonna happen there's definitely been past episodes
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where we said we didn't think that was gonna actually ship with that but it is um oh
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man what do i think of it uh and isn't the other big difference kind of it's the horizontal
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screen now rather than the vertical screen i like that a lot there's a bunch of new stuff i don't i'll just go down the list
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honestly because there's a lot okay um i think we'll start with the yoke right so i've seen so they they announced the plaid car
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originally then we got this first deliveries event where they delivered the first 25 of them so now they're officially out in
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the wild it's happening there's real people driving them they have the oak wheel and they will continue uh deliveries
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from here so there's a lot of inter interior changes that match model 3 and model y
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they've got the new ventless invisible air conditioner system okay they've got the new door handles
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from model 3 and model y they've got the wireless chargers up front that are now actually built in right under the screen and they've
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switched to a horizontal screen with a new software version but the one thing that is definitely
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different and new and catching eyes is the yoke steering wheel yeah and for those who don't know what a the yoke
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steering wheel is it's imagine a steering wheel where you sort of square it up a little
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bit instead of being a totally round wheel and then just go ahead and chop the top half of it off just take the top half
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of that square steering wheel and just pop it off and that yoke that you have left that's
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what's going on not only that but there are no stocks on the steering wheel column yeah bigger
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deal than you think because that's where your drive selector usually is slipping switching into reverse or park
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that's where your blinkers usually are that's where your windshield wipers usually are that's where your autopilot select usually is that's where your
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headlights usually are all of that gone now buttons on the steering wheel or controls on the
00:26:22
touchscreen how do we feel about i mean there's a lot of how do we feel about these
00:26:28
50 different things okay i'll start with if i'm just going to go the general yoke steering wheel
00:26:33
i think it clearly catches eyes it is clearly a great press photo it's clearly a great what
00:26:40
car is that what is that steering wheel when you're walking through a parking lot or something awesome like looks really really cool
00:26:47
functionality wise i mean i don't want to make the biggest judgment without using it but i
00:26:53
cannot see myself enjoying it i think it's going to be very hard to get used to
00:26:58
i i mean there's a reason a wheel has been on a car for so long because there's so many points of contact when
00:27:05
you're making these big u-turns or k-turns or turning around in a parking lot or something like that i mean for example
00:27:11
there's a video posted of a guy turning literally he pulls into a parking lot and then tries to make a u-turn to come out
00:27:17
and as he's going like really awkwardly hand over hand to try and make the full 360 turn he's like hitting
00:27:24
the horn button and like all sorts of different things are going on and it just looks really awkward so i believe they use
00:27:31
yolk steering wheels for like f1 races but that makes sense because the the amount of turning they're doing
00:27:38
while they're doing a lot of turning they're not doing like really really aggressive big turns and like full 180s 360s stuff like that yeah
00:27:45
the the turns you do on a racetrack are maybe 45 degrees tops where the turns you do in real life are much more
00:27:51
exaggerated um yeah very often too like you do that all the time i was thinking about that
00:27:57
as i drove here today because my natural resting place on the steering wheel is actually typically
00:28:02
sort of acceptable for a yoke but the second i wanted to do my turns i realized i
00:28:07
i moved the wheel between my hands wall my hand i would i would have been grabbing air basically and so i'm seeing
00:28:14
these videos now of that you know the first ones are out in the wild and there's people driving them and i'm like this is classic tesla of
00:28:22
completely ignoring standards because the only reason their standards is
00:28:27
because we've been doing them for so long the the first thing that i that comes to mind with this is how a model 3 doesn't
00:28:33
have a screen behind the steering wheel every car anyone's ever owned has had a screen behind the steering wheel
00:28:39
or some way of seeing your speed behind the steering wheel right most of them my first car ever was a
00:28:45
saturn ion and the speedometer was above the radio in the middle very similar to where it would be for
00:28:51
like a model that's hilarious because now so the model 3 puts it over on the right side of
00:28:57
your vision but the only reason that we're all used to the steering with
00:29:02
the speedometer being like right behind the steering wheel is because that's where we've trained our glance to be if you're looking at the road you just
00:29:08
train your glance to be right below you have to leave the road to look at your speed and look back
00:29:13
and i found that the more i drove model 3 and model y for that matter the more i just trained my glance to be
00:29:19
45 degrees to the right instead of like straight down so it actually didn't seem that bad it was just this small learning
00:29:25
curve where fine tesla can get away with doing something different because it's actually
00:29:30
fundamentally not that different and so i'm thinking about this yoke like is this going to be the same thing
00:29:36
where i'm just going to get used to the buttons on the wheel i'm gonna get used to my horn and my
00:29:42
blinkers and my my headlights being buttons on the wheel just because there were stocks before
00:29:48
doesn't mean they had to be stocks they're right at your fingertips of course it should be easier it's faster and i i feel like i'm just gonna have to
00:29:55
try it to understand i don't think there's any way for me to watch enough videos to go oh here's what the learning curve would be
00:30:00
i think i just have to drive it it's it's way more to get used to uh like glancing over to the right is
00:30:07
a much smaller easier thing to get used to i also weirdly found it when i used to drive my
00:30:12
old car like being someone who's tall and if you sit in a position where your steering wheel is at a certain place
00:30:18
if i were to have my speedometer right in front of me i would block the speedometer with the steering wheel all the time because i'm like looking so
00:30:24
hard down um yeah now it's well yeah but like
00:30:30
the yolk is so much to change like especially people who have been driving for years like you just get so used to i
00:30:37
mean how many how often do you do the thing where you like you spin the wheel and then you like have your hand on the wheel and you just
00:30:43
kind of loosen it and it spins through your hand actually like at any point you can grab it and now you're ready to go like that
00:30:48
is it literally impossible on you right i know a lot of people who do that and i i don't personally do it but i've seen
00:30:55
it a lot this is a lame driving instructor because it's the coolest thing to do oh they they
00:31:00
hate when you do that though when you do that yeah they're like don't let the wheel oh i'm just making a bad joke
00:31:05
yeah yeah no they're like definitely hold the wheel you had a strict driving exactly i had
00:31:10
them do the textbook way but i feel like the squareness of the wheel would also hurt you sliding it
00:31:15
through your hands because it's hear me yeah i a lot of times i drive with like one hit when i'm like on a big highway
00:31:21
that's straight i have like one hand kind of at the bottom and i think the fact that the wheel is circular at the bottom if
00:31:28
i'm doing it in the middle it's very easy to just turn on the the point of the axis where
00:31:33
it's square on there i'm sure you can do it but i feel like it might take a little more force because it's a little less
00:31:39
natural to move a square on a circular axis than it is to move a circle on a circular axis
00:31:45
right yeah and you can change the the steering weight and all that to be sport heavier or comfort if it's a
00:31:51
little lighter but i would like to try it i think the buttons are going to be harder to get used to though
00:31:56
i that's the part that's interesting to me i think that's going gonna be the easiest part to get used to i think that i've gotten so used to
00:32:02
driving with stocks that i just know how to go to drive and reverse and i know how to get my blinkers and my
00:32:07
wipers and i think i'm gonna start driving a plaid model s and get really used to the buttons and
00:32:14
then going back to a regular car will feel weird because i have to reach further to do all these things where i was doing
00:32:20
them on the screen and on the steering wheel before i think that's just me speculating also wipers
00:32:26
screen don't like that that doesn't seem great yeah um but too often you have that like
00:32:31
in between wipe that's just like i don't want this on all the time but i just need like a quick ass i think that's what what the button
00:32:38
is the button's a single wipe yes always automatic wiper other than that i think so
00:32:43
okay maybe that's not as bad i don't know i like i like being able to control things like
00:32:49
that automatic stuff usually usually isn't good it's a little finicky yeah um
00:32:54
i don't know about the buttons as someone who's like i have all my media controls on my on the steering wheel on my car and
00:33:00
generally if i want to do anything other than like volume up volume down i still look at it really quickly yeah and i've had my car
00:33:06
for almost 10 years at this point yeah so like i don't know you're not using it as much as a blinker
00:33:12
it still feels kind of strange i also would kind of expect the well obviously
00:33:19
this doesn't happen on the stock but a blinker left blinker on the left side right blinker on the right side
00:33:24
like make it a little easier like the most common thing should be the closest to your thumbs on the steering wheel so that's not the way the stocks were
00:33:31
it's not but that's just like one finger up down yeah i mean and but that goes with yeah
00:33:38
i guess technically i guess yeah it's it's interesting it's just gonna be weird but yeah there's just so many instances
00:33:43
of tesla changing little things where like i guess we've gotten used to it a certain way over time and this is different and it
00:33:50
will require a learning curve but maybe if this is the first car you ever drive it it probably won't be up yeah sure that's
00:33:56
what they're going for is like something along the lines of like people into it used to this and it'll it'll become
00:34:01
intuitive i i feel like both of them together is going to be a really steep learning
00:34:07
curve for a lot of people and there's going to be a lot of model s drivers using their blinkers really poorly or making really
00:34:13
bad k turns on roads yeah that's the one thing okay so the automatic drive selected oh man
00:34:21
this is this to me is actually probably a little too far i would have liked to
00:34:27
have seen a stock for this so here's what's supposed to happen and elon basically explained it on stage
00:34:34
but says that the model s and x refresh will guess what you're going to do
00:34:42
when you get to stopped and and which which direction you want to go forward or reverse
00:34:48
so if you're there are a bunch of instances where it seems very straightforward i back into a parking spot and i park
00:34:54
when i get into that car i'm going to go forward let's say i go forward into a parking spot there's a
00:34:59
barrier in front of me i get into that car hit the brakes it's just going to go in reverse for me because it knows i feel
00:35:04
like even with this example you've already hit a snag backing into the spot it's going to
00:35:10
guess yeah so there are there are instances where it's pretty obvious what you're going to want to do if i
00:35:16
pull up to a like a if i go to it's going to say parallel park that's
00:35:22
another one i don't know what's going to do but if i just go pull up to something where there's a wall in front of me and i'm going to make a three-point turn
00:35:28
i'll pull up to the thing in front of me it will automatically switch to reverse i'll back up and then i'll it'll
00:35:34
automatically switch to forward when i stop backing up and i'll exit that turn without having to touch anything and it will have just
00:35:39
done its job for me that's something we're assuming with like curbs on it right yeah yeah so can see when you pull to a stop it's like
00:35:46
now you've arrived at something in front of you we're going to switch you to reverse and it just does it for you okay so there's a couple well it looks
00:35:53
like it makes sense but then there's a question of like i want to parallel park oh yeah i pull
00:35:59
up to a car next to me i pull up to a stop is it going to know i want a parallel park will it automatically reverse for me because it
00:36:05
still sees a street in front of you yeah it sees like i just pulled up next to a car like at a stop light why would
00:36:10
i want to reverse i'll keep going forward so i'm going to have to manually switch that i'm pretty sure um there is auto park on these cars but
00:36:17
there's like a whole bunch of other weird finicky human guessing situations
00:36:22
where i feel like you're just going to have to do it manually so i've already assumed i'm going to be manually overriding this
00:36:29
all the time oh yeah so my question was how easy is the manual override and it's this like one
00:36:34
inch wide slot on the left side of the touchscreen you swipe forward to go to drive you
00:36:40
swipe backward or down to go to reverse and you hit the corner to go to park it
00:36:45
seems okay not as good as a stock no seems okay uh a stock is literally just right there
00:36:52
like just popping into drive pop into reverse everyone knows how to do that super easy and i saw someone in a video sort of
00:36:58
demo it like oh yeah it just kind of feels like a stalk like you just flip it up to go forward and flip it down and then he missed and then he
00:37:04
swiped it halfway and it went back and didn't work and like he missed the side of the screen like a whole bunch of questionable
00:37:11
uh misses on the touch screen there so i cannot imagine like parallel parking on a busy like
00:37:16
main street is already like if it's busy enough and you have to pull up and then the car behind
00:37:22
you can't get past so it has to sit there and watch your parallel park i cannot imagine the stress that would
00:37:28
be induced by like having to hope this thing guesses also did he use the term guess in the
00:37:35
presentation i think he did yeah the last thing i wanted i don't want to hear i would like no yeah it
00:37:41
will know like even if yes it's guessing don't say guess it will decide for you what you
00:37:47
want to do like i can't wait till i'm on the road in this two-ton car guessing what i want to do next
00:37:54
something that did get overlooked a lot though was uh right below the wireless chargers there are four physical buttons
00:37:59
uh haptic buttons okay where you can switch between drive modes right next to the hazard button is that
00:38:06
confirmed yes okay so that seems like it may be a more
00:38:12
reliable or at least i don't know if you're it's not going to move any more than the
00:38:17
thing on the touch screen but maybe if you want like a button more often that's the other thing i'm kind of
00:38:22
wondering about have we like these buttons on the steering wheel is there uh are they like touch screen ish buttons
00:38:30
or is there like a physical is enough to where i'm like kind of having some divider that i can feel between
00:38:35
these so i was worried about this i was asking about this in my impressions video they are haptic buttons they don't click at
00:38:41
all yeah but is there a differentiator before i click the button to know that i
00:38:46
am on new button or something like that like are they raised a little bit is there do you know sometimes though when it's
00:38:52
touched they'll put like a a little raised piece in the middle so you can tell like oh i'm on the left blinker or the right blinker yeah okay
00:39:00
good point so they have a little divider between the left blinker and the right blinker so you know when you're on which blinker but on the other side like the
00:39:06
difference between your horn and your headlights is just you just have to press the right space you just have to hit the right
00:39:11
touch target you just don't know there's gonna be a lot of model s's honking and you're not gonna know if you just
00:39:16
messed something up or if someone's just pressing the wrong button on the the wheel or people are gonna think
00:39:21
tesla drivers are angry flashing my headlights was just like hitting the stock and now it's like
00:39:27
hitting the button on and off real quick oh yeah you have to go you gotta hit the one off just just to
00:39:32
flash not stop being not what i wanted not what i wanted so yeah we'll see i would have loved to have seen like an
00:39:39
option for a regular steering wheel but this is classic tesla they're just going to go forward with this and
00:39:44
it is what it is kind of the other thing though it's like we're talking about getting used to this not only are you giving people more
00:39:51
power and more like a more intense driving potential like now you're giving them a
00:39:57
steering wheel they're much less used to like i hope people are safe when they do this and get used to the steering wheel i
00:40:03
mean for a straight line yolk's perfectly fine i'm sure people will launch their cars because
00:40:09
it's clearly a new 0 to 60. but uh yeah yeah that's going to be fun out of
00:40:15
all of this maybe the most exciting piece to me is the new performance so there's there's a
00:40:22
long range version with this new interior and there's the plaid motor plaid model s with the triple motor performance
00:40:28
version with this new interior um that has a 1.99 second zero to 60
00:40:33
with one foot roll out so it's probably closer to 2.1 or two
00:40:38
points what does that mean as a not car nerd good question so a lot of cars measure their 0 to 60 from
00:40:45
zero and a lot of cars measure their 0 to 60 with a one foot roll out basically a one foot roll out means
00:40:51
literally exactly how it sounds the tire starts rolling and once it's rolled out a foot that's when they start counting the 0 to
00:40:59
60. for whatever traction reasons or whatever there's a bunch of performance cars that
00:41:04
that measure their 0 to 60 after rollout and so yeah with this little bit of roll
00:41:10
out you figure the car is already going like four or five miles an hour by the time it gets one foot of roll out over this tire uh
00:41:17
it is still extremely fast yeah but bragging rights lets them put 1.99 seconds with
00:41:22
a foot of roll out and that's what they chose to do if you can go under two you're gonna pick it but yeah yeah clearly if it needs the one foot
00:41:29
roll out it's probably not actually an under two from some do you know like
00:41:34
the average of like what cars like how many cars use zero to sixty versus rollout to sixty
00:41:42
typically it's it's funny it's kind of like whatever they just want like a lot of performance cars use it with rollout
00:41:48
like if you're asking about the fastest couple of zero to 60s ever measured they're all with rollout
00:41:53
and that's fine and we kind of just accept that um but this is still fast than all of them so i guess yeah we'll just we'll just go
00:42:00
with it we'll just go for 1.99 if our snarky twitter account for a corporate performance car company i would make fun
00:42:06
of all the other ones that that one foot roll out yeah enjoy your handicap
00:42:12
still got to beat it but yeah that's the other thing is so cloud model s has a 200 mile an hour top speed with the
00:42:17
right tires anyway and it's rated at 1020p horsepower which this is the this is the interesting part
00:42:23
is like it's doing track laps now without overheating they've figured out the heat pumps
00:42:29
they've done a much better job conditioning the battery to keep it doing launches and doing high performance runs
00:42:34
over a longer period of time without overheating that was an issue with previous model s owners and
00:42:40
model three was already a step forward with that so that's cool then they showed this chart on stage where they showed like p100d
00:42:47
then model s raven and then the horsepower or i think the torque output of plaid model s which just kept going
00:42:55
up like it just it seemed essentially flat at a thousand horsepower up to 200 miles an hour which
00:43:00
is kind of scary um but the the main question is are they gonna
00:43:05
continue to improve on this for roadster like they have these carbon sleeved rotors and they have all this crazy tech
00:43:10
to make it work um i don't know it's just like a next level performance gain for a four four-door
00:43:18
sedan with like eight feet of storage in the back like it's crazy so i think that's one thing people always forget is like it's so quick to
00:43:25
like take model s numbers and compare them to all these other like performance cars but then remembering i
00:43:31
mean this is what we made project love day about um for people who don't know we did an
00:43:37
old tesla video contest where we made a video about like a commercial for tesla we
00:43:42
actually won it um partially because we have a lot of fans but the whole video is based on like a very fast car being able to do
00:43:49
everyday activities yeah fun video to make but yeah i feel like people always forget about like how much trunk space and how
00:43:55
much like of an everyday car a model s is with these numbers yeah so so
00:44:02
390 miles of range is nice yeah but it's not wait can i say my one
00:44:08
more my favorite part about plaid yeah go ahead the logo on the emblem on the back i love the flat emblem i absolutely love
00:44:17
it apparently that plaid it was just for the first 25 deliveries at the event
00:44:22
those people are very lucky because that's awesome somebody's probably gonna i bet someone sells those yeah like i just
00:44:28
love the spaceballs reference um and to put it physically on the car like that it's hilarious
00:44:33
i wonder if mine are you on we'll figure that out later but yeah it says the the just plaid text on all the
00:44:38
others it's just this plaid pla is it in plaid nope just uh just like the other text those just chrome letters
00:44:44
it'll just i don't want one anymore yeah this is a major detail um
00:44:50
no yeah this is a this is it so so the the range that people were talking about this is the
00:44:55
the question that sort of hovered over this whole event was are they going to address plaid plus yeah because what happened
00:45:01
before this event was maybe just as interesting as the event itself which is
00:45:06
tesla had also announced and promised another car called tesla model s plaid plus
00:45:14
that would have assumedly new battery technology 520 miles of range a slightly faster
00:45:23
sub 1.99 second zero to 60 and about 1100 horsepower
00:45:29
everyone went well this car is bonkers why would i get plaid if plaid plus is coming out next year i'll get plaid plus
00:45:36
then literally hours before the event maybe a day or two before the delivery event it was on sunday and the event was on
00:45:43
thursday okay so a couple days before the event uh elon tweets this is like official tesla news classic but elon tweets that
00:45:49
plaid plus is cancelled canceled that's the first time i don't think i've ever seen a tesla
00:45:55
model get announced and then canceled it was like such a weird way he did it though because it wasn't just like a
00:46:01
tweet that says plaid plus is cancelled it was this thread of tweets where he says originally modelos goes plaid speed this
00:46:07
week which is like get everyone amped one minute later reply thread plot plus is cancelled no
00:46:13
need as plaid is just so good so it was like a it's canceled and then let me throw three percent off with something else
00:46:19
and then a quick like zero to 60 under two seconds quickest production car made of any kind
00:46:24
has to be felt to be believed so it's a very quick like can't wait for a model s plaid pie plus is canceled and the plaid is
00:46:31
going to be so good so just like i actually thought this was brilliant i mean it's a brilliant way to announce it when you kind of don't want
00:46:37
but yeah of course test i feel like the tesla community was like oh my god this is
00:46:42
awesome did he just say it was cancelled and then like that was the the news for like two or three days
00:46:48
yeah and so the question is all right plaid plus is cancelled number one what
00:46:54
do you mean by plaid is just as good yeah and number two why is plaid plus canceled it was
00:47:01
going to have 500 miles of range and i think there was a follow-up tweet essentially saying
00:47:07
what elon said yeah so it's actually a response to electric i believe and we'll post that
00:47:13
in the show notes as well and he said uh what we're seeing is that once you have a range above 400 miles more range
00:47:18
doesn't really matter there are essentially zero trips above 400 miles where the driver doesn't need to stop for restroom
00:47:24
food coffee etc anyway i think that's a nice distraction i totally agree with you uh
00:47:31
if you if you really read into that saying seems like people don't really need more than 400 miles
00:47:38
i would argue people don't need faster than 2.5 seconds 0 to 6 60 even that's a good way to that's a
00:47:44
really good way to put it i didn't think of it like that so the point is um we we're using our inferencing and
00:47:52
our context clues to imagine probably the reason plaid plus is cancelled is because
00:47:57
the batteries that would have been needed to create that car aren't quite available yet they're 4680
00:48:03
cells they're higher density they're much more impressive technically and we think they're going to be in cyber truck and roadster to get those
00:48:09
respective 500 and 600 mile rated ranges but if we started with plaid plus we're
00:48:16
probably going to be taking resources and and cells away from those more important vehicles
00:48:22
so we'll just cancel plaid plus shift all those orders to plaid distract them about why we're switching
00:48:29
yo plaid is good enough it's great trust me it's going to be just as good basically the same and just sort of sweep the 200 extra
00:48:36
miles under the rug because that was a big difference 390 miles 390 miles is nice i currently
00:48:42
have like 300 miles and 390 as a max range sounds great but 520 is
00:48:50
way way more confidence inspiring that's like literally i could drive to north
00:48:55
carolina from new jersey i can drive probably to like cleveland from here on 500 miles of range so
00:49:01
i would have been really excited about a car with that sort of range
00:49:06
uh rather than a 0.2 second faster 0-60 so that to me is a little bit
00:49:11
interesting and concerning but also brings up questions about uh well when are we going to see cars with
00:49:18
that type of range are we ever going to if elon keeps saying if he sticks with this
00:49:23
uh 400 miles of range isn't really necessary then why promise 600 miles for roadster and
00:49:29
500 miles for cybertrek yeah still happening i think there's a lot of like weird things to unpack from
00:49:35
that because like if you're saying you think it's so i think the approach you're taking for it is the optimist i've seen two ways people
00:49:42
are seeing this yours is the optimistic one like let's save these for ropes or cyber truck coming out we don't want
00:49:47
those to be delayed anymore we don't have enough for them the other approach is these aren't ready
00:49:53
these cells aren't ready yet and people don't think they're completely ready we don't know when they're gonna be ready
00:49:59
is this gonna mean cyber truck road circuit delayed further and like i think both and saying they're not
00:50:05
ready right now means they're definitely getting delayed so he's trying to not put any of the attention on to that
00:50:11
potentially so yeah i wouldn't doubt if it's like a kind of little of a little of b like maybe the
00:50:17
batteries are pretty close to being ready and it would just delay plaid plus and then if you put plaid out before plaid plus and i don't
00:50:24
know there's a lot of speculation going on in that way yeah but i do think like i think that's really interesting
00:50:31
what you just said though is like if you're using the excuse for 400 miles right now
00:50:36
does that mean you're basically saying you don't think roadster or cybertruck should go 500 miles
00:50:42
because like you could easily make the argument that a sports a coupe doesn't need to go 500
00:50:49
miles like who's going on a road trip efficiency has never been a concern sports cars so that doesn't make sense for me now cyber truck on the other hand
00:50:55
like i do think there are a lot of people looking at trucks to go long distances so that makes way less sense but now are
00:51:02
you going to bottleneck your truck because you used this excuse previously
00:51:07
yeah or do you actually believe that which then i think is a whole another thing where it's elon looking at numbers way too much
00:51:13
numbers of what he has right now and then potentially limiting stuff in the future because of that
00:51:19
so if i just stay with my my just straight logical brain number one plaid plus was not cancelled
00:51:26
because plaid was good enough it was cancelled and the distraction was
00:51:31
plaid plus is good enough trust me yes it's great but then two the reason that plaid plus
00:51:38
is cancelled is probably going to turn into a reason that cyber truck and roadstar are delayed
00:51:43
yeah probably totally agree with it but as long as we're not talking about those yet we don't have to talk about this yet so
00:51:48
all the focus was on plaid that night and obviously it's still a very impressive car 390 miles
00:51:54
is only slightly less than 412 for the long range so i'm i'm perfectly fine with that um and yeah
00:52:01
it's a it's an impressive car but yeah it's just got me thinking about like how much how much
00:52:06
longer we have to wait for roadster this was announced in 2017. was it that long 2017 is when the
00:52:13
roadster was announced so i mean i knew we would take a while i think it's i think it's that they keep like
00:52:18
talking about it or like releasing it and stuff or showing it you know at uh the semi-truck event that
00:52:24
gets people more and more hyped for it and then you see it pop up every once in a while but yeah it might take a little longer i
00:52:31
i what are your thoughts though on wanting more because it's one thing to think about 520 miles
00:52:38
as i would like to go on a 520 mile trip where in that singular case i think elon's probably
00:52:45
right chances are on that 520 mile trip you're going to take you're not doing it straight you're
00:52:50
taking breaks you're taking restroom breaks if there's a charger available at all those then yeah makes no sense
00:52:56
yeah i think there's tons of other scenarios though where that doesn't help in that extra range um
00:53:02
i think the the one i found the most interesting is the people who are the most effective way to charge is
00:53:09
lowest battery correct to around what 60 percent is like the really really efficient so
00:53:14
now you're zero to sixty percent is much bigger and a way bigger range so that means you can now drive further
00:53:21
and still charge as efficiently as possible or there are the people who maybe live in an apartment or in a condo or
00:53:27
something that don't have a garage and a charging place at home yeah now they're not charging every other day they're charging every
00:53:33
three or four days like that's so nice to not have to i know someone with a model y who they live near a college and every
00:53:40
once in a while like every couple days when they come home they go drive onto the campus and sit in their car chargers all the way to full
00:53:47
yeah so they're sitting there for like 45 minutes that kind of sucks i'll add two more uh
00:53:52
versions of this yeah i i have basically two types of road trips that i do one would be like visiting family and
00:53:59
two would be for an ultimate trip one for visiting family it'll be here's the destination
00:54:04
it's this many miles away you're going to drive there you're going to park there for a couple days and then you're gonna drive home
00:54:10
it would be nice to not have to stop at all meaning drive there park it for a couple
00:54:16
days and then drive all the way home and so no if even if it was only a 250 mile road trip if i had 500 miles of
00:54:23
range i would not have to charge and i would just come all the way home if it's obviously a much less range i'm
00:54:29
gonna have to charge at some point the other version is going to ultimate so literally you're going to go drive
00:54:34
somewhere park for a couple hours and then drive home uh this is for a game not a tournament
00:54:40
but the point is i just really don't want to have to stop yeah at all
00:54:46
even if it's 400 300 200 miles i want to go there not stop not just go about my day go
00:54:52
about my weekend and then drive home and the more battery obviously you have the more likely you are to be able to do that
00:54:58
there's something also to be said that like yes there are a lot of superchargers but as he says stopping for food coffee
00:55:05
and stuff like that like that's a valid excuse for stopping getting to top off but you don't always get to choose the food that's at these
00:55:12
places so like we've done a couple of stops one time we stopped and there's a great burger place and we all sat down
00:55:18
had a burger and charged a ton because we were really enjoying the food then there's like like i'm really hungry
00:55:23
and you stop and it's a gas station with like a subway and like or like really
00:55:29
restrooms yeah or some random yeah not something you want to eat or you never know like if you want to take
00:55:35
it one step further if you have dietary restrictions and one of these fast food places doesn't cater to that very well
00:55:40
cool now you're just sitting in the car so that's that's when it starts getting to the point where gas is better i like
00:55:45
your theory of if you can do 500 miles you're probably going further than quite a few gas cars now
00:55:52
you're getting the advantages over gas cars that's what i was gonna say yeah so i'll end it with this before we take a quick break i think if
00:55:58
elon's uh main goal with cars like this is to give the full smackdown to gas
00:56:04
powered cars you want to give them every single reason across the board is better than a gas car
00:56:09
better 0-60 better technology better traction better safety better comfort better torque better everything if you
00:56:16
can also give them better range that's not a small detail people will definitely notice being able to go twice as long
00:56:22
as far as days between filling up whether it was gas or electric that's going to matter so i'd argue it's the biggest hurdle
00:56:28
from gas tv easy i don't think anyone's doubting that ev has better
00:56:34
specs and just like potential and just pure drive train but like uh what's it called range anxiety is
00:56:41
like easily the biggest thing stopping people from switch so why are you limiting yourself already yeah it seems kind of confusing
00:56:47
to me so as long as there's less superchargers and gas stations keep making that range longer all right we got to talk about this bmw
00:56:53
i3 yeah so first of all why are we talking about the i3 well uh i'm currently testing the i3
00:56:59
with range extender for a column i'm doing for top gear if you haven't already seen i've been reviewing a bunch
00:57:07
of evs and high-tech cars for top gear column i think it's called hard drive it's a fun one i mean
00:57:12
if you don't watch or read the top gear magazine check it out um so the latest uh after the f-150
00:57:19
lightning will be this and so they get the car here in our hands for a couple days and inevitably there's like a first
00:57:26
impression we check out the car a lot of them are really cool the i3 with range extender
00:57:32
has been very puzzling to me in a lot of ways because honestly i'm
00:57:38
trying to think all right what's the target demographic like where does this fit into the eevee landscape we know what the competition
00:57:43
is we know what the price is i'm just going to give you a couple quick headliners about this car
00:57:48
yeah and then a question okay this car cost fifty thousand dollars with ten
00:57:56
thousand dollars of options so it's 60 grand so right off the bat you can picture other cars that are also right
00:58:01
around 60 grand then it is a compact form factor so it's it's a
00:58:07
much smaller than most of the other cars it's uh it's got an electric motor and a battery
00:58:14
that can give you about 175 miles when full and then it has a three
00:58:20
cylinder engine and a two gallon gas tank as your range extender so you drive around on pure electric
00:58:28
until you run out and if you ever do run out you can drive around as a gas car it gets around 35 miles a gallon
00:58:34
for a total of 70 miles on gas and that's the i3 it's a smaller
00:58:41
so because it is so small the back seat is very small the trunk is
00:58:46
very small the front trunk i'm not even exaggerating i don't think i can fit all three of these cameras in the front
00:58:52
trunk no it's just because it has like it's like it has a couple things inside it already because it has an engine it has an
00:58:58
engine yeah and a gas tank and a battery and the electric drive fan so it's got all this stuff
00:59:03
in this very small place and so it's turned into like uh all right i have 60 grand to
00:59:10
spend on a car why would i pick this one yeah and i
00:59:15
don't think i know the answer look do you want to like take a quick uh quick roll through like our impressions
00:59:22
when we first got into it it's just like let's try and let people imagine this car
00:59:27
a little better i mean if you haven't seen an i3 um you know it's a bmw so it's got it's got
00:59:33
the the the grille it's got the little the nostrils on the front yeah it's a it's a black and white
00:59:39
two-tone pretty modern looking car a lot of glass a little split sunroof going on i don't mind the design
00:59:44
for the size i think the size is weird but i don't mind the design it's like weirdly tall so it's kind of looking
00:59:50
like a little minivan but very mini it has a very like do you know those hot wheels cars that just
00:59:55
like never really had correct proportions so like it's got big wheels it's got big wheels but the front
01:00:01
is just like so squished but it looks like it should be bigger but it's on this small car yeah there's like kind
01:00:07
of this weird window line where the back window is like lower than the front driver side window and or the
01:00:14
front door windows and it's just like very flat back hatchback
01:00:20
it didn't have a bad amount of room in the back for what it was it's not great yeah um then you get
01:00:26
inside it and it's like i mean it's bmw so it's going to be nice quality inside the majority of the
01:00:31
inside minus this one paneling on the back doors which was kind of weird it's like pretty high quality it has some weird
01:00:38
design choices um this stock is this like gigantic
01:00:44
yeah how do you describe that it's like a growth out of the steering column yeah like it would be like holding like
01:00:52
a a camera lens with like a nub on it to change like you have to put your entire
01:00:58
hand around it in order to change gears on it yeah um it has some nice like blue accents and
01:01:04
everything i like again i don't think the design is off it just feels but and then the steering wheel
01:01:10
feels despite how short the front of the car is you feel like you're sitting like in the
01:01:16
middle of the car rather than the front of the car and like really controlling it you feel really far back that was my strength that was my
01:01:22
number one driving takeaway is like oh there's like really nice visibility and these windows are really big but there's
01:01:27
a lot of car in front of me and not a lot of car behind me i think i'm in the middle of the car which is like that's an
01:01:33
unusual feeling for a four-door car technically well not uh i don't need would you it's four door
01:01:39
yeah they call it when it does so it has the type of door where you the
01:01:44
back door is like almost a half door where like you have to open the front door and then the handle is on the inside
01:01:50
and you open it similar to trucks that aren't like full cab trucks um i don't know if
01:01:56
you call that something a little different you can't get in without opening the first door so i can see i consider it a four-door because you can't get in the
01:02:02
back seat but yeah it is a small door i think the um there's like the hyundai vlog yellowstar yeah yeah i
01:02:09
think they call that a three-door ticket well that only had a third door it has it's sim oh no it didn't have one
01:02:15
on both sides oh yeah that had that way yeah it's very good so i i give it four-door status
01:02:20
it's just very compact obviously yeah um so you have 60 grand yeah
01:02:26
you have it to spend on some sort of new car why why would you why would you pick
01:02:33
this one because it's okay 60 grand for context new model y performance performance model y um
01:02:40
that's going to give you much more range that's going to give you about 300 ish miles of range that's
01:02:45
going to give you much better performance this thing isn't a slouch but it's no performance car right yeah
01:02:51
it's uh smaller wheels it's it's got a sport mode i would guess it's gonna give me about a five and a half
01:02:56
seconds zero to sixty it was like a zippy car when you're rolling so like merging would be great in it but
01:03:02
there was literally a time where we went tried to go from zero to 60 and you like like it was comical
01:03:08
how bad it took to like go like we all heard you slam your foot down kind of had a second to look at each
01:03:14
other and then it started going yeah it was like it's like if you're in like a crv like when you slam
01:03:20
on the gas you're not expecting to get rocketed forward like it's gonna it'll go oh you want to go faster now
01:03:25
give me a second and then it'll start moving forward so like yeah it's nimble and it's zippy it's got a tight turning radius but like
01:03:31
it's not a performance car so so model y is going to give you and i'm just using model y as an example but
01:03:37
much longer range on electric no gas tank much much more storage oh yeah much
01:03:43
bigger performance much more features just as far as software and autopilot and speaker
01:03:48
system and all this stuff and so you have to want to get this i3
01:03:54
you've got to want either something really compact you've gotta or you've gotta
01:04:00
want a bmw specifically or you've gotta really really want for some reason
01:04:07
a plug-in hybrid that has a gas tank even though it's worth smiling what to
01:04:12
call it it like doesn't really feel like a plug-in hybrid but it also doesn't really feel like an eevee i'm like
01:04:18
i'm trying to paint the picture of the person getting this and i'm imagining someone who lives in new york city and
01:04:23
has an awful parking spot sure so they want a compact car yep they only trust legacy car makers
01:04:29
so they don't trust new things so they can actually mw i think you can i think you can stop at
01:04:36
just wants a good compact ev yeah but i want to get really narrow with this because i just there is no other i want to paint the
01:04:42
picture of the person who loves this who wants obsessed with this car yeah i'm just there is no other good compact ev
01:04:48
so i'll give it credit for that specific achievement but it's still not great
01:04:54
yeah i mean it would have to be someone with money to spend because 60 grand is not cheap for a car by any means um you
01:05:00
would need like i still think the interior is pretty solid but nothing like to blow
01:05:06
60 grand on so there's that i mean maybe if you live in the city having the compact car
01:05:11
range doesn't matter that much but it still helps to have that little kick if you're like uh on one of the the
01:05:18
expressways around new york city and you need to like zip over a lane or something like that and then like
01:05:24
somebody who has is just getting into the ev world but still has range anxiety so you have this little reservoir of gas
01:05:30
in there also you don't carry anything or or any of your friends are over 5 511 yeah
01:05:36
yeah like range it's funny if you live in the city and you can get away with a bigger car like a model 3 which is not that big but
01:05:42
it's you you almost never have range anxiety because you have 250 plus miles of range and superchargers i feel like you'd have
01:05:49
more range anxiety with a tiny electric battery and a two gallon gas tank wait but are there a lot of superchargers in
01:05:55
new york city enough that you could go around the city a thousand times with them yeah there's plenty in the city that cover the actual
01:06:03
radius of the city and if you have 250 miles of range you can always get to a supercharger in new york city
01:06:08
you only have to drive four miles to get to one pretty much anywhere in the city so here's a question that's kind of off
01:06:14
the bmw topic but i saw a video today and i know is an exaggerated
01:06:20
version of it but there was a supercharger outside of a disneyland i believe and somebody was
01:06:27
going to get in line for it and the line was like literally like 30 cars deep does that
01:06:33
happen fairly like i could see that happening in new york city i've never experienced that on the east coast
01:06:38
okay i've seen it on the west coast because there are way more tesla's specifically on the west coast
01:06:44
yeah yeah that being said uh i have only waited in line
01:06:49
once for a supercharger and that was on like a weekend in the morning where i guess a lot of people are driving and it was a
01:06:55
new jersey like going south there's like six chargers and there's dunkin donuts
01:07:00
right there and everyone was just chilling probably down to the shore or something but i i do see some pretty serious
01:07:05
backups on the west coast where there will be like 12 chargers and like 12 cars waiting while everyone else is charging
01:07:12
that sounds like that nightmare is not great that can give you that anxiety where you're like am i going to get to this charger and
01:07:18
it's going to be full or you know a long wait because if you don't have enough range to make it
01:07:23
to another charger you're going to wait potentially waiting like hours you've got gotta get filled that's brutal yeah yeah so i no i
01:07:31
haven't experienced that yet on the on the east coast but yeah new york city plenty of chargers plenty of space
01:07:38
plenty of range if you i'm trying to think like okay what if you want a compact car
01:07:43
you live in the city you want something small but you don't care about it being an ev you could get any number of compact cars
01:07:50
if you don't care about it being an ev then this is pointless yeah so you have to for some reason want a compact ev
01:07:58
sort of but it has cast but it has gas but you can get the one you can get the one that's not a range extender okay anyway yeah look forward to the
01:08:05
calm on top gear magazine it's just like a quirky car i've really yeah it's
01:08:10
obviously this will be very positive i was just trying to think like should i make a video about this car at all it's not really that interesting
01:08:16
other than just the conundrum of like who would buy this um and we're asking at the studio like
01:08:22
all right what price would it have to be to actually want to buy an i3 with 170 miles of range and a 2 gallon gas tank
01:08:28
and we landed at like 25 20. i don't think 20. i didn't even pay 25
01:08:34
for my car right now and i would take it over this oh really yeah yeah i don't i don't think i'd want
01:08:39
this car no it's neat but i wouldn't choose it if somebody wanted something like this so much so bad it would make more sense for like
01:08:46
smart car to come out with something like this and not have a million features like bmw would and just be
01:08:52
totally on board with this is a compact car with not a lot of range and a zv and it'll do the things you need for a
01:08:58
compact car i will say while i do feel way safer in my car i do feel safer in this than a smart car
01:09:05
yeah there's a little more of a bubble around me this thing does feel kind of like a tank for how small it is
01:09:10
it is it's very uh center of gravity is very low because of i guess you know there's batteries in
01:09:15
there and obviously there's a lot of low weight but it does feel safer than a smart car so i'll give it credit for that
01:09:20
yeah i would never say i felt unsafe in this despite how small it is so i guess that's kind of one perk there you go we said something nice
01:09:27
about it good looks good look cy3 i think that's a good place to end it being positive uh anyway all right well
01:09:33
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