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you don't have a phone number on that phone I don't have your your phone number on that
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oh that's a crazy phone I know I got really lucky when I was [Music] 14 yo what is up people of the internet welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts I'm
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Marquez and I'm David and this week a surprising amount of different stuff a variety of stuff all in the tech world uh beeper did a thing toch
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new gole RCS that's Google fully releasing their new Gemini model uh new pixel feature drop it's also our 200th episode 200 pretty
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exciting exciting stuff I would say uh but first we should at least acknowledge the GTA6 trailer given that this is a show we put on YouTube and this is just
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breaking all the YouTube records that's true which is the most fascinating part to me yeah uh so I guess there's a
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little bit of a I literally don't know the backstory but there's a backstory of this being leaked a little bit and they've been working on this game for a
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long time and it's been years and years and years since the last GTA and they're finally going to make a GTA 6 and the
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trailer just to get out ahead of all the leaks they just decided to publish it on YouTube so they publish it and it does
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numbers it does crazy numbers because everyone wants to know what's in the new GTA and it turns out there's a lot of
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scenes that are literally just real life just looks exactly Miami just it's awesome but um it broke the record for most views of a non-m music video in a
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24-hour span for a YouTube video yeah and it's only a little bit under the music video that it that it didn't break
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music music videos do crazy like K-pop numbers are like another Stratosphere but as far as non music videos I think
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Mr Beast held the record of like the last two highest were I think around 60 million 690 million 59.4 which again
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think about that one YouTube video comes out and in 24 hours 60 million people watch it yeah not necessarily 60 million people but 60 million views it could be 30 million people watching it twice but
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that's it's a lot and this was almost 80 million and 80 million people watch this trailer in 24 hours I think people were
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very excited for this because uh GTA 5 is one of those games sort of like Skyrim that just keeps getting
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re-released on every platform ever there's like jokes that you could run you know Skyrim or GTA 5 on like your LG
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refrigerator display MH um so people have been waiting for this forever but there was a very interesting kind of timeline of how this trailer got released because they ended up having to
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release it earlier than they expected to yeah so why what what actually happened cuz I didn't really see it yeah so uh
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originally Rockstar said they would debut the trailer on December 5th at 9:00 a.m. ET and then at 5:30 p.m. on
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December 4th this account called GTA 6 trailer leak appeared on Twitter okay and released the trailer 30 minutes later at 6:00 p.m. uh the account got suspended so Rockstar immediately went
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to Twitter and was like please take this down and then at 6:10 p.m. Rockstar was just like the trailer already got leaked
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so here it is and they just launched it like a day early so it's actually surpr to me that it got rele that it broke all
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those records because they released it at a time when they told people they weren't going to release it at they
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released it early I guess it's one of those things where if you hype up the hype if you prehype the hype then it's
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you have people waiting for it like I don't know when they told people hey the trailer's coming to me it's always been
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funny to see like a movie trailer trailer or to to get people hyped for the trailer for the thing this isn't the game this is just the trailer for the game yeah but they they told people
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about it early enough that they're all waiting for it yeah uh I imagine it blew up a little bit before getting suspended
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on Twitter but yeah probably then when it dropped on YouTube it was like oh this is it this is real well I saw some
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Reddit posts uh when people started posting it on Reddit when it actually officially came out a lot of people were like wasn't this supposed to come out
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tomorrow yeah so but it's a game that's coming out in 2025 so this trailer is very early on yeah and that's assuming that it doesn't get delayed over and over again so we see yeah but the
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records are hilarious uh I do remember seeing it had well over a million likes in the first like 15 minutes yeah it
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broke the like counter so people have been saying it broke things I don't think I ever saw it
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actually break anything I think it just froze everything right so YouTube has this new feature where it kind of tries
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to live count things and show you the most upto-date public counter yeah and that was still working but I think what
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people often forget is there's also a difference between the publicly viewable counter and the total amount of counted views before verification and so in the
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YouTube Studio like when I put out a new video I can see that there's some number of extra views that haven't been showed
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to the public yet yeah on like every video as soon as it launches yeah and so this was just the instance of the biggest possible Delta because the views were just tumbling in they didn't count
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them all within the first few minutes they had to verify them like they usually do so yeah it crazy it probably showed like 50,000 views and a million
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likes when I watched the trailer it was 17 minutes after they released it and it said 1,000 views and I was like that's
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not real it's definitely like a million at this point wow yeah no it in 17 minutes I think it had several million views because it had a million likes Jesus think about like the ratio usually
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is like 10 to one probably had 10 million views in 20 minutes yeah I would not be surprised so unbelievable anyway
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do you guys want to guess how many views it has now I think it's over 100 it's got to be over 100 a little more
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specific 110 110 marus 111 107 wow crazy 107 million views yeah I at this point too because there's so much news about
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it being the most viewed video I think that also adds fuel to the fire and people wanting to go watch it remember when YouTube Rewind was breaking the record for most dislikes and everyone just everyone who didn't dislike it was
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like I'll toss the dislike there yeah I'll be a part of the record it's the same as like Reddit like when something
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has a lot of up votes or a lot of down votes you're much more likely to up Vote or down vote it participate yeah we were
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talking about it earlier too because this trailer is only a minute and 30 seconds yeah the duration is probably
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close to like 100% so the algorithm is just serving it to everyone average watch time yeah how much money would you
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guess this made uh in AdSense yeah AdSense huh $17 at least that's an interesting question I mean I I that's a pretty runchy
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video right so I don't know that it would do crazy AdSense numbers just for that reason yeah but uh uh quick napkin
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math 100 million I'm going to go with uh $400,000 400,000 really yeah for a 100 million views yeah for uh for a GTA
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trailer with like I mean you watched it right I did so you know it's like not the most ad friendly thing ever it has a
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bunch of mid rolls mid roll you can't do mid rolls yeah mid rolls you need to be 8 minutes long which is uh much longer
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than it was funny because Linda Yaro was tweeting like come on Rockstar why don't you just drop it on Twitter and somebody
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put like the The View count of like someone who did post it on Twitter versus YouTube and it was like much
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higher on Twitter but that's just because YouTube shows impressions as views right and
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nobody knows that that's a different thing yeah I guarantee The Impressions number on YouTube for that video is
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insane it's probably with a B on it it's crazy probably so yeah anyway YouTube history if you haven't watched it you should be ashamed because everyone else has watched it what are you doing 100
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million people are waiting for you to check it out so that's over there yeah okay and yeah none of us really play
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video games that much sorry so this is just far from the last GTA enough that did have a little bit of nostalgia 13 years ago yeah so maybe that was at a time when you didn't you start your
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channel 13 years ago uh longer oh but I did play a little bit of GT the last GTA
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okay on a PC okay in my parents house GTA5 was released in 2013 By the way oh it was 10 years ago yeah I think it was are you sure I think it was four September 17th at all or on PC cuz like
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initial release whatever that means 10 years ago okay now we've got uh Google just updated RCS fairly substantially
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which is funny because it comes very soon after Apple saying that they're going to be adding RCS in 2024 yeah uh
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apparently they passed 1 billion users on RCS which is pretty crazy that's the threshold for Google to not kill it that's true I mean there's 8 billion
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people on the planet so a billion users is pretty insane solid okay yeah uh they
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added photo which is effectively the same thing as the iMessage stickers that you can do
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where you can sort of cut out a object with AI from a photo and then turn it into a sticker although they don't do
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stickers they do it just as uh Emoji reacts so just kind of like a tapback you can use any Emoji through RCS to do an emoji react but now you can use your own stickers which is like not as good
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in my opinion as the iMessage stickers because the iMessage stickers you can resize and place anywhere on the thread
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I never use stickers oh I use them I every time I every time we get to that section of the WWDC canote my eyes glaze
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over and I just wait for the next thing cuz I am involved in zero group chats where anyone has ever put a sticker on
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anything oh okay I just do it to annoy people but oh it would work yeah when it first came out David and I were testing it and our chat it was super brok we like went back to look at it the other day it was just disgusting stickers
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everywhere I couldn't I couldn't yeah uh the improved audio quality for voice messages which is great and they added
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something called voice moods which you should click the link to to see what this looks like but effectively when you send a voice message you can include a mood to go along with the voice message
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which like colors the message bubble and like if you're angry it will show fire if you're like excited it will show like
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hearts um very strange feature excited but fun I guess yeah okay um just another thing I'm literally never going to use but that's cool I appreciate the higher quality that one is pretty unique that one's pretty unique they added
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screen effects for certain words and phrases which if you're an IM message user um that already happens if you say
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happy birthday there's balloons if you say like happy New Year there's fireworks that kind of stuff yeah
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apparently they added 15 of those uh you can change the bubble colors to be custom I feel like that's kind of a reaction to What color should we make them H not green and blue M uh they now
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have reaction effects for 10 of the most popular Emoji this is something that telegram has had for a long time where
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if you react with specific Emoji it'll be like if you do the thumbs up emoji there'll be thumbs everywhere just kind
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of a fun little thing uh they added animated Emoji which is fun so that now when you put an emoji in the chat if it's like a smiley face it'll be like smiling in different directions and
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stuff yeah basically they're just like making our a lot more Dynamic sure and then there's this one called profiles
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which is actually very useful and I experienced this a couple of days ago that someone was using it where you can
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choose a name and image that accompanies your phone number so that if someone if you text somebody and they don't already
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have your number saved it'll show their number and uh their name and their profile photo next to the phone number so you know who it is this is the one that I really like that one's really
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good I've had phones in the past like try to do this automatically they they'll like look up some I think
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they're using some database not even pictures but sometimes pictures do appear I'll text I'll get a text from
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someone that I I know them but I haven't put their contact info on my phone yet and then their name in a blurry photo
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appears and I'm like oh that's all right I guess this ideally is better than that definitely on iMessage you have the
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option to like share your name and photo with everyone versus just contacts yeah um so this is an option to share it with
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like literally everyone that is also using RCS chat which it yeah um all right well I think we should take a quick break before we get into the really thick part of the episode thick
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of it the thick part of the episode with two major news parts so um let's do some
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[Music] trivia Why did no one report what why the RCs voice messages sound better now I couldn't find a single article why it sounds better well they said increased
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sample rate and bit rate but to what from what I think they're just happy about bigger file size support and
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they'll do anything to fill up the file size they also have that clear calling capability that like enhances it with
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speech every once in a while I get on like a good clear Wi-Fi call and I'm like wow this is incredible yeah you're
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like oh it's like viip and my next nine phone calls sound like garbage yeah anyway so anyway let's do some trivia so
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this is episode 200 congratulations boys we've really y you sound so excited yay well you better be excited because this next
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you're in the thumbnail on the whole episode oh H I'll accept either the number in a Price's right format closest without going over o or I will accept
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the topic of the episode H I'm going to try number I'm going to try and number cuz I
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don't remember that I think I can sort of estimate all right okay we'll do the answers at the end like usual be right
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limited to one device all right welcome back real quick news update at the top you know we record these live and you
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know little Mark Gman tweet in the middle of a podcast never hurt uh new Apple plans spring launch for revamped
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iPad Pro new iPad Air including the 12.9 in size wow revamped magic keyboard and
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apple pencil and M3 13in and 15-in MacBook airs none of this is shocking I do hope
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that revamped magic keyboard means USB type-c yeah but what about the Magic Mouse and
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hope hopefully I was going to say track the track pad should also be USB type-c uhhuh the Magic Mouse shouldn't still
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look like that yeah it's frustrating I use the trackpad and every now and then it dies and then I have to go find a
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lightning cable to charge it I feel you what if they never fixed a Magic Mouse just purely out of like stubbornness the
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Magic Mouse Apple's mice are like GTA they come out once every like eight eight 9 10 years that's true and everybody's like finally a new one how
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long you been working on this and then it just goes for another 8 n 10 years I did hear the new um iPad Pro from a source of mine uh is going to be like completely revamped and it's going to be
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like insane okay I've heard this before but what does that even mean cuz it's the iPad every time with a new faster
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chip with a new fast chip and it's amazingly powerful I think it's a new I think it's a new display type oh oh like
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microed or something interesting yeah but it's I think it will be micro LED yeah which is great but then you're going to use it you're going to be like it's still an iPad yeah yeah okay I mean
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yeah unless they like revamp iPad OS to have some sort of Mac OS functionality or something right which I cross my
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fingers every time and then I'm disappointed every time yeah uh okay anyway first is the Beeper mini launch
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um this actually was a lot louder on social media than I thought it was going to be same I've been using beeper mini
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for about 3 weeks Flex now and here are your thoughts and here are my thoughts uh yeah so beeper if for those unaware uh we've talked about beeper in the past I think we made a short on it and then I
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talked about it in a previous podcast episode previously what it was was it was an app that effectively unified all
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of your messaging services into one app so you had um you had texts and RCS and then you had Instagram DMS and you had slack and you had all the WhatsApp and then they also had iMessage and that was
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some that was a big reason that people used the original beeper was that you could use iMessage on Android phones how
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they did this was effectively the same as the way that everyone else has been doing it for a long time which is having
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a server farmer of Mac minis yeah the bad way server farmer Mac Minis that forwards your messages uh theoretically
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it was still much better than the Sunbird SL nothing chats methodology and it was is actually pretty secure however I used beeper for a couple of months and
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it would not deliver like one out of every 10 of my iMessages that I was sending and that was really frustrating
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so I stopped using it yeah uh and then in the last three weeks I've been testing this new app called beeper mini
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and this is going to be a new it's a completely new app that is out right now came out on Tuesday MH and effectively
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it's just for iMessage right now so they are the original beeper app is now going
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to be called beeper cloud and then within the next year they're going to move all of those other services over to
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beeper mini beeper mini will eventually be renamed beeper and beeper Cloud will go away oh CU I was wondering why is it
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called mini I assume it's just because it's one of the many services just iMessage I that's the reason for now and
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then they're just going to add all the stuff to it yeah I don't know I don't know but they want to keep beeper Cloud around for the people that still use it
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for the multi chat services for now sure anyway the reason that this uh app launch is a very very big deal is that
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they actually reverse engineered the iMessage protocol so everything happens locally on device now so before it would
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ping off of a uh Mac Mini in a server somewhere and now Apple just sees your Android phone as an iPhone in every way possible your messages go straight to Apple servers they're end to end
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encrypted it has most of the features that iMessage has and you can basically just use iMessage on your Android phone
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it's very fast it's it doesn't drop messages um really really good and this was done by a 16-year-old uh in high school who reached out to the Beeper
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team after he made um this this beta version of it sort of and was like Hey look what I can do now and they were like wa is is real that's awesome they basically Aqua Aqua hired him uh and it
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became the foundation of beeper Mini so a lot of people are going to say like is this legal you know because it's
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literally using iMessage on Apple servers uh but beeper says that it should be covered legally because it's
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currently legal to reverse engineer apps for the use of interoperability I'm very curious I'm also curious about cuz I
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this is one of the only ones I've actually thought about maybe using but I also have an iPhone so like why would I
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use this yeah but I wonder if you do have an iPhone will it ruin anything on the iPhone end so okay I've been using
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my pixel fold for about 3 weeks and I also have an iPhone right but I only have one phone number unlike you is it
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the same phone number on the iPhone uh I don't have a phone number on my iPhone when I have a phone number in my pixel
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fold okay right so effectively the cool thing about Bieber mini and this is a new feature that I actually got implemented for them uh is that you
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don't even have to log into your Apple ID on beeper mini if you are okay with only sending imess mes through your Android phone and not syncing it to like your M Mac and your iPad M uh because
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effectively when you put a SIM card in an iPhone if you don't log into your Apple ID it sends a behind the- scenes
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text message to Apple that says register this phone number as an as an iMessage phone number so that you can send iMessage between devices yeah so then
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beeper Mini Takes your phone number and sends that text to Apple that says please register this as an IM message
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phone number and it just allows you to use it as an iMessage device yeah so if you want to use iMessage on your other devices and sync it with with these yeah
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you do have to log into your Apple ID but that login goes straight to Apple servers it's not stored on beeper
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servers anywhere that's cool yeah um but it's got red receipts typing indicators inline replies voice notes group
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messages uh it's currently just missing location sharing which beeper says that is coming soon and obviously do doesn't
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have like iMessage games and stuff because that's not part of regular iMessage that's part of the App Store
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you know yeah uh they are currently charging $2 a month for it which isn't that much money if it saves you from a lot of strife I might download this right now yeah try it beeper mini beeper
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mini um yeah it's really nice they're going to be building all the other apps into it eventually and they're also going to be making them client side so that they don't have to be Cloud
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oriented so I believe they're going to reverse engineer like the what'sapp protocol and like all these different protocols and just put them all in the
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app itself MH which is awesome um now Quinn from snazzy Labs says a very good video on how this all works from the technical perspective so you should go watch this if you haven't already seen
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that but I have a pretty fun funny story about this whole thing this came out on
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Tuesday uh it was supposed to come out last Tuesday the day before Thanksgiving MH I
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was testing it on my pixel fold and then for Thanksgiving I wanted to switch back
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to my iPhone just for the like long holiday weekend so I switched my sim back into my iPhone without logging out
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of beeper mini M and suddenly on my iPhone I could receive iMessages but when I sent messages they sent as SMS
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text messages and I couldn't get it working for hours yeah so I contacted uh the
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Bieber guys they got on a call with me we diagnosed this for like 5 hours on Wednesday the day before Thanksgiving and I sent them a bunch of Vlogs and all of this stuff and they figured out how
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to fix it and it turns out there was a huge bug in their code that basically destroyed your like Apple ID account not
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like completely destroyed it but like flagged it to Apple as spam which didn't allow you to send iMessages at all Oh
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weird if you didn't log out of beeper mini before you switch back into an iPhone got it which a lot of reporters
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are going to do so yeah that's the type of thing that I was worried about and why I usually don't end up doing this
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with my own main number just weird little bug things like that but it's good to hear they fixed it and
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ironically um he told me a couple days later he's like the bug that you had that we just fixed that you told us
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about allowed us to figure out how to register your phone number for iMessage so that you don't even have to log into your Apple ID if you don't want to so before this bug that I had you still had
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to log into your Apple ID no matter what right but now you don't have to log into your Apple ID if you're okay with just
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using iMessage on your Android phone which for people that have Android phones and like Windows devices there's
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no reason for them to log into an Apple ID at all right right so you'd never have to log into your Apple ID at all
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You' just be an iMessage user on an Android phone that's cool which is pretty cool and I think that that's a
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big selling point for a lot of people that is a dub so for a beeper mini yeah it's been um really positive reception pretty much all over the the internet which you know when you compare it to
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the whole Sunbird situation is clearly the opposite um they were actually going to release it right before the Sunbird thing came out but they heard that was coming out so they wanted to like see how that played out before they released
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it and it couldn't have gone any better for them um also fun fact the guy that runs beeper is also the guy that um that
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invented Pebble the um the the Smartwatch the really really old Smart Watch yeah one of the OG smart watches I
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had a pebble I had a red and black Pebble back in the day yeah they were dope it was fine I ink watches right yes
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yeah yeah yeah they were sweet so yeah so try beeper mini if you if you want to um theoretically like I don't love attaching my name to services like this
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especially you know if we had done that with Sunbird then then it completely fell apart then that would look really bad on us there are a lot of security
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research teams that are trying to tear this apart right now but literally he like it's published open source so you
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can go look at the code yourself and see that nothing is really happening and it's all just acting like an iPhone yeah
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it's doing exactly the same thing that a regular iPhone would be doing so how long until Apple closes this so can't
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they just change the protocol they would have to completely redo the way the IM the iMessage protocol push it in like an
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emergency update or something but I don't think they're going to do that so it'd be very difficult for them to do
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can they lawyer smash um they can try but again they're theoretically protected under this statue that says that you can reverse engineer apps for interoperability purposes and this is
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like the definition of that you know but lawyers smash Apple no like yeah and I know that a lot of people globally are just going
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to be saying like why don't you just use WhatsApp or why don't you just use other apps it's like I understand we'd have to
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get there eventually in America we do get left out of group chats uh yeah for the past 25 minutes sorry about if
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you're not interested because you're like why does any of this matter it's just just here it's just here just here
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it's just here so yeah I mean I think if anything was going to get apple to just
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publish an iMessage app on Android I feel like this would be it because if they have nothing they're still never
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going to do that well if they ultimately like realize that they can't do anything to stop this from happening
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do you think that they would actually make them publish IM message on Android and just figure out how to monetize it better I still think they'll look at it
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and be like this is an app that 50,000 people downloaded rather than us just tossing
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it out there and having millions and millions of people download it immediately I think they're happy for it to be just like a a niche app that some
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people who really care will find out about but they can still like Mom and Dad aren't figuring out the green
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bubbles are removable very easily still yeah true true I mean there's no doubt that they heard about it and then they're thinking about something to do about it but you know yeah yeah anyway
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those was are pretty fun launch this week so the other uh fun launch this week is from Google which they launched
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the newest version of their large language model behind Bard it's powering Bard and it's also going to be doing a
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bunch of other stuff but it's called Gemini and uh I found it very well interesting on one hand but also very similar to past versions we'll have to play with it more because it's multimodal and there's other new
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functionalities to it uh but uh basically it's going to be the newest large language model that all of Google's General AI stuff moving forward and they're going to develop different
00:29:32
versions of it for different uh places I guess they're going to be a nano a small
00:29:38
version of it that will run locally on your pixel there will be Gemini which po barred and Gemini Pro and then Gemini Ultra then Gemini Ultras next year which will be some gigantic version for data
00:29:50
centers and Enterprise and it'll be absurdly capable I'm sure um but we'll play with the The Bard version for now
00:29:57
yeah so some something specific to know about Gemini is that it's not just a large language model it's just a large
00:30:02
Transformer model um it's multimodal so it's trained alongside words it's trained with images and sound and like usually you train separate models with
00:30:14
separate types of data and then you just link those together uh and so and so Gemini is actually trained with all of those in parallel so it really understands the relationships between
00:30:27
these different data types A lot better and currently unfortunately only the ultra model is the one that's multimodal
00:30:34
whereas the other models are just going to be text in text out which kind of sucks yeah um and it's kind of weird
00:30:39
that the ultra model is only going to be for data centers and Enterprise but I could eventually see that being added to Bard or something like it uh so yeah for
00:30:48
now it's only in English uh there were reports that they were having issues with other languages with it and that
00:30:54
they were going to push it back completely to 202 but it seems that they're only pushing
00:30:59
back other languages to 2024 okay which is nice which is funny because some of the demos they were showing was like about Mandarin and stuff and tonality and languages and it's like did you not
00:31:11
get that well that's they're understanding languages you know yeah that's true yeah but doing translation
00:31:17
is very different from doing like the entire UI and everything and the promps because you have to train a model on a
00:31:23
single language right like a ton of information and from a single language so uh the Nano version is available right now for Pixel 8 Pros actually but
00:31:35
you can only do a few very tiny things with it to start very small very very very small so right now it's going to be
00:31:43
uh powering the auto summarization in recorder in the recorder app so that'll just be better quality I've used that a few times that's actually pretty cool yeah yeah I mean it already existed it
00:31:54
already existed but it's going to be a lot better mhm um and then it's also going to power the smart replies and
00:31:59
Google keyboards but right now the only app that you can use the smart reply and Google keyboards for is WhatsApp which
00:32:06
is strange and ironic I have no idea why they didn't push this to Google messages
00:32:12
and they're using WhatsApp and said I guess probably because WhatsApp is the most used chat app in the world they
00:32:17
forgot it existed um yeah so it's it's kind of funny because Sundar kind of went on record talking about Gemini he both said
00:32:28
this is the biggest thing we've ever done since the Google search sorting algorithm it's basically our biggest
00:32:36
thing since Google search and then he simultaneously said but you probably won't really notice a difference besides
00:32:43
the fact that everything's a little bit better fan yeah I think the demos that they showed they put out a bunch of
00:32:49
videos and the demos that they showed were pretty cool one of them was specifically demoing the multimodal nature of it where the guy was talking
00:32:56
to it and and drawing things for it and asking and showing it things and it would summarize things and read the text
00:33:03
back it had a voice and it was very interesting it actually got to the point where he would like draw something and
00:33:09
then say what do you see here and then Gemini would describe what it saw and he started asking questions about what he
00:33:15
drew they got shockingly close to the trolley problem where he put down a duck in the
00:33:22
middle and then a road with a duck on one side and a bear on the other side and he said which way should have the duck go and they said uh looks like
00:33:29
there's a duck on the left and a bear on the right so we're thinking the duck should go left for a friend yeah and
00:33:34
it's like what about the trolley problem he kind of got right up to the doorstep there yeah and then I played with Bard
00:33:40
and asked the trolley problem it actually does an amazing job of never answering yeah I was going to say little
00:33:46
behind the scenes Marquette spent like 20 minutes trying to get it to do the try problem I did I tried to break it
00:33:51
first I just asked it I just put in the entire trolley problem and said which sorry for those who don't no the trolley
00:33:57
problem yeah the trolley problem is a uh a tool that you might feed some artificial intelligence just to see what
00:34:03
it says where you're in a trolley on some tracks and the trolley car is headed towards five people and if you
00:34:10
just let it go it will hit those five people and kill them but you have a switch and if you pull that switch it
00:34:16
diverts the trolley car onto a different track which has one person on it yeah and so you have to make the choice
00:34:22
between playing God yeah and killing someone or saving five lives it's kind of like what what version It's kill someone to save five lives or don't do anything and you just let five people
00:34:35
die yeah and didn't kill someone yeah that's that's the trolley problem yeah and so I put that all into Bard with
00:34:41
this newest Gemini model and it said ah this is the trolley problem H we don't have an answer but here are the pros and
00:34:47
cons of each side and I thought that's interesting I bet I can trick this and so I started talking I I open a new
00:34:52
conversation totally new window so uh I'm in a trolley this is pretty cool what should I do
00:34:59
here and I started going through the conversation I was like uh it said oh you're in a trolley cool like where do
00:35:05
you want to go what are your goals do you want to see some stuff I was like yeah I'm doing some sightseeing I'm in a city right now like New York and says oh
00:35:10
cool and gives me some pins and things to visit in New York and I said okay uh the trolley's actually headed towards
00:35:16
five people on the tracks right now this seems pretty dangerous and it's like yes
00:35:21
that is pretty dangerous you should stop the trolley car and I said okay I can't stop the trolley car
00:35:28
but I do have a switch next to me and if I pull that switch it will divert the trolley onto a separate track that only
00:35:34
has one person on it should I flip the switch and it said this is a classic example of the trolley I was like oh you
00:35:41
you're smarter than I thought it caught you so I haven't been able to trick it yet yeah it well just to add to that
00:35:48
though while you were telling that story I made sure to ask Bard and chat GPT is the letter R present in the word
00:35:54
blueberry to which very important neither of them got it correct W so dang so there are still things it's bad at I also asked it about myself and it said I was a video game player and Watcher of
00:36:06
anime neither of which are true so it's still going to hallucinate and get things wrong but ideally like Sundar
00:36:12
says it's going to be better than the previous version and then the next one Gemini 2.0 is going to better than this
00:36:17
one and it's just going to keep getting better down the line yeah and a big thing for Gemini is because they're training it to be multimodal from the start and really more of a general
00:36:23
Transformer model they're planning on using it for lot more use cases like they talked about using it in robotics
00:36:30
okay what's the robotics one the robotics is because if it's able to analyze Vision data and sound data and
00:36:36
can also have speech data and talk to you theoretically this is like this is like a artificial general intelligence
00:36:42
that you could throw into a robot and then the robot could take everything that it sees and Tesla bot yeah like you
00:36:49
throw it into a human-shaped robot and then it knows how to act like a human maneuver in spaces that humans usually
00:36:54
maneuver in things like that totally fair I also sort of visualized it just in like we already know that meta's
00:37:00
smart glasses are going to have an update where you can look at something and get tips about it that sort of same
00:37:06
thing in maybe a Google smart glasses product or whatever right where literally can just take in information
00:37:12
from the world around you from the visual aspect and then give you things in audio just based on that you're
00:37:18
looking at a trolley you're you're on the tracks you say do I pull the lever and it goes here's what to do oh you're
00:37:23
in the classic trolley problem again so that that's what I pictured I think that Google for now is definitely
00:37:29
intentionally keeping the multimodal functionalities to the ultr model uh because if you were to give people
00:37:36
access to something that can you know take in speech data and vision data and all this stuff you're you're I mean we
00:37:43
have we don't really have a general definition for what an artificial general intelligence would look like other than it is better than humans at
00:37:49
most economically viable tasks so if you were to give this to people you don't really know what would happen so I think that it's sort of like we're going to give it to Enterprise to test what that would look like in an Enterprise
00:37:59
scenario I'm sure this will eventually work its way down to General people that will probably take a couple of years I would guess who's going to be the first someone's Open Door an open source model is already going to do this at some
00:38:11
point like that's inevitable I also feel like it's probably going to Enterprise first because it's probably so expensive
00:38:17
to do so like Enterprise will at least pay for it like regular people aren't going to pay like $70 a search or
00:38:23
something you know right yeah yeah yeah so apparently uh beats GPT 4 in 30 of 32
00:38:30
benchmarks which is crazy um they said gp4 specifically they didn't mention GP GPT 4 Turbo which is the better version that they released a few Ultra turbo and
00:38:41
pro and okay great yeah um but yeah it's uh it's fairly exciting they're releasing the pro model through Google Genera generative AI studio and vertex Ai and Google Cloud starting on December
00:38:54
13th so developers will have access access to the pro model as well and hopefully we will see the pixel 8 Pro and I wish they had done this on the regular pixel8 I would guess it's a ram
00:39:06
problem because say there's say your phone is taking 4 gigabytes for apps if you have 8 gbt of ram versus 4 GB of RAM
00:39:14
for Gen tasks then I'm sure that that would definitely help it but hopefully we see these kind of things making their way to pixels um down line and I'm sure
00:39:24
that Google is waiting to release just trickle out features every single Pixel that they release they're probably going to be like oh yeah and now it has another feature that is enabled by
00:39:36
Gemini that it's going to be able to do so which is great I'm never going to be complaining about that that's good yeah
00:39:43
I feel like this is just going to live in their Cloud Center servers the ultra model yeah the ultra model will for sure
00:39:49
it's going to be so hard to get anything like this onto a phone oh yeah yeah on a phone for sure I just wonder about
00:39:57
someone else getting a ton of users because they do some awesome multimodal trick that everyone falls in love with
00:40:03
like GPT had that moment where everyone wanted to talk to it and everyone wanted to ask it questions and suddenly
00:40:08
everyone floods over there and Google's reacting quickly Microsoft's racting quickly everyone's doing stuff to try to match that and so I wonder if some multimodal thing comes along that
00:40:19
everyone loves and then Google goes oh we have that too and just finds a way I don't know but seems like that's what happens I mean chat jbt pro at least the pro model you
00:40:31
can feed it like images and video and and audio and it can like interact with that data um but it's not as seamless as like the video that Google showed off like the Google video was insane because
00:40:43
it was a live thing that it kept just interacting with the new things the person was putting into the scene yeah
00:40:49
I'm not sure exactly how that video was working like the video was cool because of how I assume it worked but I'm not
00:40:56
actually sure if it worked the way I assume it right because he he didn't prompt it with anything uh but theoretically maybe he did prompt it
00:41:02
with stuff I just didn't see I think it was very highly scripted and edited but probably still pretty cool yeah cuz the
00:41:08
video was like here are some of our favorite things that we saw it do which means that they tested it a ton and
00:41:13
picked out the most fun things that they saw 100% so yeah I mean that's very exciting um theoretically it was going
00:41:19
to get pushed in next year so it's cool that it's here this year and the AI race
00:41:24
races on that's good yeah that's catchy we'll keep an eye on it uh we should take a quick break we got some more feature drops and fun stuff to talk about after the break but before we do
00:41:36
that trivia question about me more oh yeah probably what episode was Marquez hosting the way for podcast into existence I'm not sure if it's going to work trivia question about not Marquez
00:41:49
so what was the first car with a top speed of 200 mph ever yes implying the first Ford Model T no production car that does not help me
00:42:04
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limited to one device all right welcome back last little bit we got a couple things to talk about that are kind of fun first of all Google uh coming in hot
00:43:24
with a feature drop for the pixel 8s later this month some other stuff too some a pixel fold and the pixel tablet
00:43:31
as well Pro I the only part that I care about is video boost is allegedly coming
00:43:37
in this a feature update video boost is that I I'm interested because they've been they they showed us this feature
00:43:45
back when the phone first got announced yes which was just pixel 8 Pro is going to be able to take videos in horrible conditions that will look horrible and then you hit the video boost button and
00:43:57
it sends your video to a Google server somewhere where it will process your video overnight and then get you a copy of it back a few hours later and that
00:44:07
video will somehow look amazing yeah and they told us about it no one got to try
00:44:13
it no one got to send any videos no one got to upload anything they just said trust me here's the before and the after and it looked amazing and I was like
00:44:19
when can I do this and they were like coming soon yeah I was like great they made a big deal about this in early October and then nobody got to play with
00:44:25
it so allegedly we're going to be able to try it soon allegedly I'm so excited I have my pixel8 Pro right next to me I
00:44:31
will be testing it on all kinds of horrible looking videos and seeing what comes out of it whenever this drops and I think that you can upload other videos
00:44:37
that weren't taken on the phone as well yeah anything in your Google photos Library which kind of crazy yeah so you might find that some videos you took on
00:44:43
another phone randomly years ago you can sort of restore you know how you can unblur photos you can just try it with
00:44:48
whatever you should upload like a 30 second clip of an MKBHD video that already looks amazing and just see what
00:44:53
it does see what it does it just enhances yeah my jawline Square my hair looks better yeah we'll see and some
00:45:00
Squidward Marquez this enhanced everything uh it's adding night sight video which is very
00:45:05
cool it's a way better night sight or way better low light video uh balance portrait light for Harsh shots and
00:45:12
photos which is kind of cool so it kind of evens out like lowers the contrast on any photos that you put in there uh for
00:45:19
portrait lighting which is cool nice uh there is photo unblur is now better at sharpening dogs and cats faces oh great
00:45:28
yeah cool so that's a thing yeah uh pixel fold now has a dual screen preview mode so that people can see how they
00:45:35
look when you're taking a picture of them when you have the phone unfolded which has been a feature since like the
00:45:40
Galaxy fold one it's been a feature forever and I know about it on every phone I test and I still like somehow
00:45:46
manage to forget about it and never use it that's cuz it's hard to hold your phone like this while it's open and also
00:45:51
take a picture it is ergonomically pretty weird yeah but it's a thing you can do yeah yeah it's convenient for
00:45:56
people uh pixel 6 and newer can now be used as USB webcams cool so seems like they don't
00:46:03
have the like Wireless webcam thing continuity camera continuity camera however continuity camera is probably the most annoying feature that Apple's
00:46:10
ever shipped because it's like on by default and it takes over your Mac webcam and then the other person's like
00:46:17
why do I just see black and then you realize your phone's on the table in your pocket I I do this so often and
00:46:22
then you know the first thing that always gets said is oh wow good to know that even The Tech Guy still struggles
00:46:28
with this sometimes no it's just a bad feature just a bad feature yeah I'm not a fan so you can
00:46:35
use it with a USB cable now which is better because it's intentional sure um there's now a cleaning option for
00:46:42
receipt photos that will remove smudges stains and creases in your receipts that's cool which is very specific for
00:46:49
like you know uploading receipts I think it's documents in general yeah it said receipts on the article that read but weird could be documents uh there's a repair mode now so if you're getting
00:47:00
your phone fixed it basically safeguards all of your personal data while they're fixing your phone mhm which is good uh
00:47:08
the pixel watch can now unlock your phone if you're wearing it which that's been a feature in Android for like the
00:47:13
beginning of time yeah on WE OS since the beginning of time and even others yeah this is uh yet another thing on the
00:47:20
list of pixel watch getting features that have already existed yeah like trusted Bluetooth devices has always
00:47:26
been a thing in Android yeah so welcome to the party pixel watch that's strange uh call Screen Now shows up on the pixel
00:47:33
watch which is cool so you get the transcription and everything on your watch nice which is nice you I don't
00:47:38
know if you'll be able to send the prompts back yeah like if it's some UPS guy can you hit the button on the watch
00:47:44
that says leave the package or is it going to not have I don't know that'd be nice I'll yeah it would be nice you do
00:47:49
without pulling out your your phone exactly uh and then the pixel tablet if anyone's still buying that thing cuz
00:47:55
it's so buggy uh now get spatial audio and clear calling also with um pixel Buds game changer yeah right totally
00:48:07
spatial audio out of a tablet yeah okay interesting so there's that yeah yeah that is a lot of stuff it's good just because we know this is going to keep getting updated and these phones are you
00:48:18
know they're promising seven whole years so we're going to continue to get cool stuff on the latest generation of pixel
00:48:24
pixel 8 and 88 Pro many years it's a lot of stuff so this is just the first of many future drops to expect on those
00:48:30
yeah and uh we'll let you know how good video boost ends up working so try it hopefully we get to try that soon and
00:48:36
then we can make a short or something on it see how it goes hopefully it's amazing yeah yeah all right uh you wrote
00:48:42
toyotathon why did you write that just as a joke the last two pieces of news are uh EV related uh Toyota news and Honda news so I wrote toyotathon and
00:48:53
happy Honda days oh my God yeah because for those not in America at least I don't know if they do this in other
00:48:59
countries but there's like a meme about at the end of the year when Toyota's trying to sell more cars they're like
00:49:04
it's toyotathon it's brand new lower prices on our cars they do do that and then Happy Honda days is Honda version
00:49:11
of that yeah uh but Toyota announced that it has two new Eevee crossover Concepts coming by 2025 which is pretty nice because the bz 4X was a terrible car and it was uh I
00:49:24
finally saw one there's one in my neighborhood that I see all the time and it's bedazzled to crap oh yeah there's
00:49:30
like there's literal bedazzles all over it I did see one in California and I looked I I've never actually sat in one
00:49:36
or like really gotten to know the bz 4X but it seems like nobody buys them yeah I mean I it just has terrible reviews across the board awesome so like ey Pace Vibes uh yes and and I think that isn't
00:49:49
that the one that the Subaru the new Subaru is based on as well the Eevee Subaru that's a bummer and a half yeah
00:49:56
yeah but apparently they're going to be building new EVS by 2025 so there's an Urban SUV launching in Europe in 2024 Urban SUV yeah which draws in
00:50:07
inspiration from the yarus cross which if you click this link that's like a very uh oh it doesn't have a photo of it
00:50:15
okay I'm Googling grus instead oh that's a car that's a much more car than before
00:50:23
yeah that's fine that's a that's definitely a car yeah yeah that's it's not a Supra that's a different okay
00:50:28
maybe I'll restart this section gr is it stands for Gazo racing no way yep g a z
00:50:36
o o Gazoo racing cool I do a lot of Gazoo racing actually okay interesting uh anyway it draws inspiration from the yurus which
00:50:47
you know is a car for sure uh it's it's got yeah it's Gazo it's Gazo it's got front and all-wheel drive options and two battery tiers nice yeah we don't know as much about the crossover which
00:51:01
is uh going to be coming in 20125 so a little bit later also they previewed Next Generation batteries that are being planned to launch in 2026 and there are two different types of batteries that
00:51:13
they're launching uh the first will use a conventional structure which will be two times the range of their current
00:51:19
battery modules which is pretty crazy that should be like really really good range by 2026 uh and the second type
00:51:26
will be a 20% higher range but 40% lower cost than the bz 4X battery and it's made to drive EV adoption is what they said yeah and by that they mean ride the
00:51:39
EV wave because Toyota you're not driving any EV adoption right now yeah you're absolutely not doing that but I
00:51:45
think that just means they're going to put it in cheaper cars sure yeah cheaper c yeah um they also teased progress with
00:51:52
their solid state batteries they say are 3 to four years away those are they're aiming to be able to
00:51:57
charge them from 10 to 80% in 10 minutes are we putting any stock in this yes no
00:52:04
yes we are like if this announcement came from anyone else would be be putting in big deal yeah I mean Toyota
00:52:11
has said that they don't really want to put a lot of effort into full Eves until they get to Sid state right yes I just
00:52:20
we've been hearing this for a while yeah we have which is my concern they said three to four years away so I mean that's not as long yeah and they're
00:52:27
doing it in partnership with Panasonic too it's a it's a tech share and they have battery plants in the US I I have
00:52:34
faith in this long play but I'm also not you know in the battery Biz yeah so to speak but I believe it yeah we shall see they also need you know to build them
00:52:46
they need to First have the tech breakthrough and then build it and then have a factory for it and then start shipping it in cars and then all that
00:52:51
other stuff they definitely have plants um they have plants yeah in multiple continents too whether or not they have a battery they're making though different story yeah we'll check back in
00:53:04
in 3 to four years see how they're doing okay uh and then the last little piece of EV news is that Honda announced that
00:53:10
it's going to show off new models new EVS at CES you know what this is Moto giganto no this is a GTA trailer announcement Honda announced that
00:53:21
they're going to show off CES cars which As We Know is not what's actually going to ship well said new model new EV
00:53:28
series Glo new Global EV series at CES yeah that's true so it's an announcement of what's going to be a preview of what's going to be a concept ah good for us we'll have a corespondent at CES this
00:53:43
year oh boy to cover all of this great Honda news exciting [Music] yeah we'll we'll check him out I don't you know I I try to be optimistic but
00:53:55
I've seen a lot of cars at CES I've seen a lot of announced new vehicles at CES and there's I'll say a bit of a trend with those things none of them launch yeah yeah so with that in mind I will
00:54:08
check out whatever Honda shows us at CES true what do you mean the Sony one on a wa that one didn't launch no the one on
00:54:14
wa that one didn't launch either well the Dyson was pretty oh D car way there is no Dyson car there might as well have been a Dyson car yeah uh yeah also they apparently have 30 new EVS they want to
00:54:27
have 30 new EVS by 2030 don't we all Honda damn don't we all yeah so 30 different that's so many I know imagine going from how many does Honda make now how many EES is Honda make do they make
00:54:42
any now I don't think so at least in the US I don't think they have any like when you think of okay it's 2020 it's about
00:54:49
to be 2024 and the EV leaders in the US are like Tesla who has EVS the prologue all
00:54:57
electric SUV okay let's let's keep that in mind so it's 2024 oh comes early next
00:55:03
year it says yeah so Tesla has five EVS Mercedes has like five EVS Ford has like
00:55:10
three or four e Tesla has four right Tesla has three y XS cyber trck is five oh you're right and Honda's going to have 30 in six years that seems like a lot
00:55:24
Honda if that is that a full e apparently sure Ford has like Ford Ford F150 light has F-150 Lightning Mustang Mach e yeah true I think that's it I think that's it Honda's GNA have 30 by
00:55:42
2030 okay I want you to be optimistic here but that's just how I'm seeing it maybe that's just for stock prices yeah they got to announce something yeah all right all right cool getting the 30 in
00:55:54
six years we'll see sounds good shoot for the moon Honda I guess with that we can get to trivia let's do [Music]
00:56:06
it highest without going over highest without going over for the question that Ellis had quick update though on the score Marquez with 17 Andrew with 12
00:56:19
David with 16 we going to keep saying Andrew every time every time every time Andrew still has 12 that's weird by the
00:56:25
way uh for the people that have been asking where he is he is still on Parental leave he should theoretically be back next week all right first trivia
00:56:32
question will Andrew be back next week just kidding don't do that to me actual first trivia question what was David's last job Ju Just Kidding
00:56:47
again real actual this time for totally serious triv trivia trivia question uhhuh which episode was David's First full
00:56:59
host appearance on video waveform specifically video wave for yeah and I will accept either a number Clos this without going over or the topic of the
00:57:12
episode it's probably Google related but you can't just say Google as the topic I
00:57:18
think it was Tech yeah I think it was a tech topic that day I don't know I'm not
00:57:23
even going to guess the topic but have a number I like talking about shoes try not to go over just kidding I don't I am
00:57:29
going to be off I think all right we have options and remember this is before David was made a full-time regular every week host
00:57:40
oh wait oh oh send it oh my God all right clearly my question was not well understood uh I wrote
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169 that that is way past the episode in question okay I said yeah cuz cuz this year anyway I'm R 137 all right I'm going to chalk this up to bad trivia hosting because the
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correct answer was episode 64 what a deep dive on the right to repair oh oh yeah true David is in the thumbnail and on the full hour of the show second
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question what was the first car with the top speed of 200 mph oh no I have another we're doing this because David and Marquez specifically asked for 200
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number 200 themed questions of which there are actually not that many should have guessed episode 200 for the first episode oh wait this
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is this is episode 200 all right flip them and read I wrote the Porsche 9911 nope I said the kegg regera I after
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after I crossed out Bugatti Veron also don't know what that is the answer was the 1969 Dodge Charger Daytona oh wow oh
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no never going to get that this car actually has a particularly special link with the number 200 because it was
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invented after NASCAR driver Richard Petty left the Dodge team which is noteworthy because Richard Petty has 200 career wins exactly what did he leave it
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because of he left because and I'm sure a NASCAR account is going to come out of
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the woodwork and explain this to me better but essentially Richard Petty was the pretty much the greatest NASCAR driver of all time definitely the greatest of the 60s asterisk you know
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fight me on that if you want they will was driving for Chrysler um and he wanted to be put in in the Dodge uh in a Dodge uh but unfortunately uh Chrysler
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kept him in a Buick because they wanted to sell more Buicks and he was this big celebrity so he left for Ford which had
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just developed a new super aerodynamic car that was very much faster than the rest of the NASCAR field so Chrysler I
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mean Dodge said we need to build the most aerodynamic car we can so they went to Chrysler their parent company which also had a military wing and asked the Chrysler missile division
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to design a body kit for the 1969 Dodge Charger it's how we got the Daytona it's
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why it looks like uh yeah but why did he leave oh because they wouldn't give him a car that he wanted so he raced for
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Ford instead that sounds pretty Petty I literally was just trying to make that joke the whole time wow you really let me go on well I asked you the
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question you just told me the different answer my C's read us out thanks again for listening and watching this week we learned a lot
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including the first car that ever wenton 200 M hour I have one more thing I want to say go for it uh the person who is in
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charge of responsible geni at Google her name is Jen geni geni but it's spelled gen AI is she an AI that and she's a real
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human being there are I kind of a little bit obsessed with people with perfect names for their professions yeah I've
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brought this up before yeah we've talked about it here I've talk I've talked about it already that might be the
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greatest match of a name to a professional ever your name is j AI Jen J Jen can we talk about this this is amazing I know shout out to Jen to Jen's
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no way that's amazing I'm sure it's pronounced Janai but not to me well shout out to Jen all right J AI um with
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