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All of the ads for the iPhone 16 were built for Apple intelligence and then the only Apple intelligence features
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they released for like Genoji and visual intelligence and yeah, not not the best use.
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Everyone's taking their shot at Apple right now. And yeah, and the Pixel comes out in exactly
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14 days is the announcement. Two weeks. Yeah, announcements. It's already out technically.
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Yeah, that's true. I mean, Google themselves is showing it.
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What is up people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. And
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I'm David. And I'm Andrew. Sorry, I couldn't not. I know. It just caught me off guard.
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Um, in today's episode, Marquez is gone. We warned you before. We did warn you last week. He's going to be gone for two
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weeks. Please don't leave you. We still, you know, press that subscribe button to bring him back.
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That's true. If you Yeah, if you press subscribe, he comes back. Uh today's episode we got a lot of different stuff
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for you. We've got an a new openweight model from OpenAI. What a concept. Uh
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some exciting Fedverse news which you know I'm excited about. Is that an oxymoron? Um what exciting Fediverse news? Because
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it's already exciting. Exactly. Exactly. Uh yeah, some Fedverse news.
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Some Nintendo Switch but not Nintendo Switch 2 updates. Sad sad face. And we're also going to be
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ending it with showing off some cool little gadgets that we've gotten our hands on recently. That's that's quite
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fun. Uh but first but first Andrew's mega awesome best
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news of the week ever possible. Possibly the year gadget of the year some may say
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Windows or Microsoft is releasing Windows XP Crocs. You could have stopped at Windows.
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Why? That's how awesome it is. That's how awesome. Well XP specifically. Yeah, this is XP, baby.
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This is the good good, the nostalgia. Um, but so to celebrate Microsoft's 50th anniversary, they're about to release
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Windows XP Crocs. The reason we know they're about to release it is apparently they've already opened up pre-sale for Microsoft employees. Oh.
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Um, they will cost 80 bucks, but come with a pack of six gibbits.
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Do you want to know what the gibbits are? Can you explain this to people who don't know what Crocs are? And Jibbits.
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Listen, how much are Crocs normally? Let's start there. 50. Are they really that much? Yeah. God for more than regular shoes to make.
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They're like little I think I'm about right there. And how much is a jibbit? That I don't know. I only have one
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jibbit. I remember when this used to be a good country and we used to like meme on
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people that wore Crocs and we would laugh at people and be like, "Wow, those are so ugly." Oh, wait. Yeah. 30 to 50 bucks.
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Okay. For plain colors, then they can get a little more expensive. for like 60 bucks for some like patterns and stuff.
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So, this is like a special collaboration. This is a special edition kind of one. And what are what are jibbits?
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Jibbits are like the little charms that you put in the holes of the Crocs. Okay. Um I only have like a disc golf one
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right now. Hold on. Keep laughing. Wait till you hear the Microsoft Jibbits. Or
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should I explain the shoe pattern first? Well, you know the shoe pattern, right? Oh, there's a pattern on the shoe. Yeah,
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the pattern for the shoe is the bottom sole is green and the top of the shoe is
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a light blue with clouds. So, it represents the green hill with the cloudy sky from the Windows XP
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wallpaper. It's so good. You're kind of you're kind of changing me. It's so sick. Um, and the gibbits are a
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recycling bin, a mouse cursor, Clippy, I knew it. the old Internet
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Explorer icon, a folder icon, and the MSN butterfly logo. Oh my god,
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it's really cool. What if I just want the chippets? Then you're going to have to pay 80
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bucks and sell someone a pair of Crocs. I don't love using the Gen Z logo, but I think they cooked with this one.
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They They cooked. It also kind of looks like it comes with a drawstring bag that
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is also the wallpaper, the like hill wallpaper. I mean, if it comes with a bag, it's not a horrible deal. Although that bag costs
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5 cents to make, it's maybe less. Wait, so are these exclusively going to
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be for Microsoft employees or will they eventually open up for the The Verge article I read it off of seems like it is going to be available
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worldwide. Just Microsoft employees get first dibs at it. So if you're a Microsoft employee who
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doesn't want these and wants, please buy them for us. I would I would give you the money. I'm spending $80 on these if given the
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chance. I can 100%. If we took a team photo in this, it would be pretty cool. It would be pretty awesome. I think we can all agree
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with the ugly sweaters. Microsoft is a better merch company than pretty much anything else.
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Their merch is sick. Their ugly sweaters in particular are always fire. Yeah, we always talk about Apple store like
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exclusive shirts and merch and stuff, but I think Microsoft's got for a $4 trillion mega corp. They're
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really, you know, who game is online. Who mostly does B2B sales? I gotta say
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they got a couple fire shirts. Their merch designers are cooking. They are.
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All right. Well, hopefully we get our hands on these soon. Um, we can move on to the next story. There is a new
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YouTube feature that has not yet launched, but we have seen some examples of it and that is YouTube collabs.
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So, you might know that on Instagram or Tik Tok when you make a post, you can effectively make the post with another
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person. It's like a collab post. So, it will show up on both people's pages and it will show both people's little icons
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right next to each other. So, this is a post by this person and this person. YouTube is now apparently experimenting
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with bringing this feature to YouTube, which makes a lot of sense because there's a lot of history in YouTube of
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people doing collabs, but it's very much like, oh, we're putting on my channel and then maybe
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there's a a different type of video that's on your channel where we collab. Yeah. And they also tried to do it a little bit with like tagging, sorry,
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tagging in the title, which I don't think worked very well. It just made titles look really weird because you had
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to put the at sign in it and that always looked terrible. Um, but I think this is a better because it
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lives on both channels and is the easy connection between them when you see it without messing up the title,
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right? Yeah, I think this makes a lot of sense. It'll just show up on both channels. I don't yet know how the monetization structure is going to work
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for something like this. I did reach out to Renee Richie who is the YouTube liaison. Uh he says they are not officially
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announcing anything about the feature until the fall. Okay. So it's possible that they're just beta
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testing it. The only people that have access to it are like very very big YouTubers. Mr. Beast has done like two of them.
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Has he done two? Cuz I believe so. I think you're right cuz the one I'm looking at right now says Mr. Beast and three more. And then you click it and
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you see Mark Robber Stokes twins Ben as art. Um, the first one we saw, it said
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like the channel or when you clicked the video, the channel just looked like it said Mr. Beast and Mark Robber. Yeah.
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Which then just to me felt like Harper said this also. I take a glance at that. I'm like, is this a scam channel that's like trying
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to trick you into being Mr. Beast and Mark Robber? Yeah, that looked a little weird, but I think people get used to it and as long as
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they provide verification check marks in it. Well, they also have they also have instead of just the image of your
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channel being in the corner, it's the two images. So, I mean, you could I guess you could make like a fake version
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of that, but YouTube theoretically has, you know, if it's from a and then if
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it's from a big creator, they have the verification badges obviously. Um, yeah, I think this makes a ton of
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sense though. I think that people are going to want to see this content regardless of what channel it's on. And
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it also makes it easier to, you know, if if there's a very large creator that's
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collabing with a smaller creator. Now it's less like a lot of the times people used to do that because they would try
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to grow with that. They would be like, "Oh, if I can get Marquez on my channel and do a collab with him, then maybe I
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can kind of ride his maybe this will pop off." Yeah. If anyone Hey, Joe Rogan, I'm just
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kidding. Uh, if anyone massive wants to collab with atwaveform podcast,
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here's something that could be pretty cool. Interesting looking at it right now. The on Mr. Beast's channel, it says Mr.
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Beast and three more. That includes four total people. Mark Robber's channel just
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says Mark Robber and Mr. Beast. Oh, it's also a different title and thumbnail.
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And those are not different videos. And they're I believe they're the same video. It's very hard to tell because
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are they both 10 minutes and 53 seconds? Well, I wonder if No, they're different videos. I think it
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might be different videos. Videos. I think they're different videos. Oh, so it's not like then I'm wrong before I said lived on both channels.
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This is not like um Instagram where on Instagram when you collab with someone the same post is on both people's feeds.
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Well, it might be if those are different videos. I mean, if you go to Markver, it would be the same video. So like on
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Instagram, if I make a post that's like a picture of us in waveform and I collaborate with you, right? That same
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exact picture is just on both of our feeds now with both of us linked. This is their collaborating, but the videos
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are completely different where like if it was the Instagram way, the Mr. Beast video would be on Mark Robber's page is what I'm saying.
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I see. Yeah, I'm not seeing the Mr. Beast video on Mark Robber's page. Oh, so that I guess it is collaborative.
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That explains how the analytics will work then. Yeah, that explains that part. Then you're not doing the same video, so you don't have to worry about
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different uh monetization. It's just this feels like the new way of tagging
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someone in a title to make it more first party. Got it. Can I complain about something else that
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should be more first party from YouTube? Um, keep Yes. But let me finish this real quick.
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Okay, so if you go to like the Mark Robber video that he made called, "Can you safely drink your own pee?" Okay.
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Um, it says Mark Rover and Mr. Beast, but then there's a huge section right above it that shows Mark Robber and describes
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what he's doing and then shows Mr. Beast as an organizer, which would make sense why Mr. Beast is
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collabed with more people and I'm assuming this is going to grow. Yeah, but Mark Robers only collabed with Mr.
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Beast cuz it's is this pyramid scheming of YouTube videos? I think this is overall I think this is
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a very smart move by YouTube. Um, they've added a lot of features that have been popular on other platforms.
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Uh, we won't talk about stories, but uh, yeah, what were you going to say that you think that they should add?
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This is something that Adam and I have wanted to complain about for a long time. But why is still the best way on YouTube
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of putting chapters in content? Oh my god. By just putting a part in the description where you write the word
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chapter and then write the timestamps out in the description. Yes. First of all, it breaks for us
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constantly literally every week. Every week we hear you in the comments yelling at us. I swear it's at time of publish
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the chapters work. And I've taken to screenshotting it and posting it in Slack. Like as of 10:58, chapters are
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working. And then at like 2:00, I'll walk over to Adam and be like, I just saw five comments that said there's no chapters.
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And I'm like, what the hell? We do it. So yeah, please YouTube fix this. keep like commenting if they're
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broken because we are on it and trying to fix it. It's very annoying. It usually just winds up Adam deletes
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the colon after chapters and then puts it back in and saves it and it works again. But like how is there not a first
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party system of entering in chapters? There's first party systems for entering all the mid rolls at a literal exact
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time slots 50,000 times in a video if you want. What makes them money? Yeah, but why can't I just do video
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then? Descriptions are way cleaner. like when I want to actually add they kind of hide descriptions more than they used to too.
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They Yeah, they do. It's harder and it's Yeah, I don't care about I don't know.
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So frustrating. Thank you for reminding me about that cuz I said last week I wanted to rant about it and completely forgot. That's so annoying
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to all y'all that think we don't know what we're doing. We have don't know what we're doing.
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We don't. But we do do that, right? I will say. I will say. Yeah. So, I don't know. We'll see in the
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fall, I guess, when that officially rolls out. I think it's pretty smart for them to test it with like a bunch of big YouTubers because
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it kind of is doing a stress test on the system. It's pulling in like a ton of views from a ton of different areas and
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yeah seeing how people react. In terms of analytics, I would like to see if it source gets that's a
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collaboration is added as a source of traffic. So like when you come into a video, do a did Mark Robber get those
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views from clicking on Mark Robber's link in the Mr. Beast video. It also kind of sucks for everyone collabing.
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Assuming that it's gonna be a 50 page long thing of like this is Mr. Beast's whole team water, one of his big charity
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things where he's going to obviously invite a ton of people. So if that turns into 50, like
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number 49 is getting no extra views off of or like one of his like 100 YouTubers
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compete for this kind of thing and then he collabs every single one of them. Well, is that a collab at that point?
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Yeah, I guess you get to decide whether or not you want to make it a collab. It would be crazy if there was like a hundred people, though. And they might
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have a max, too. Mr. Beast is going to launch this and then figure out it hurts his analytics
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and then never use it again and be the only person with the ability to do it on and then YouTube will eventually make it
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not hurt your analytics just like they did with shorts. Yeah, it is a fickle it's a fickle
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beast. Um, okay. Really interested to see where this goes. Yeah, we got one more story before we're
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going to take our first break. Uh, OpenAI has released their first openw weight models since GPT2
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before you go on. Yes. Do a lot of explaining in here for those of for the the people out there who
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don't understand what this means. All right. So, a model like a a large
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language model is a lot of data that has been trained to create effectively like
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a neural network. So, when you give it an input, it gives you an output and that output is generated by a bunch of
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different neurons. neurons, quote unquote, kind of like firing at each other and deciding what the most
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probable output is going to be. Uh, it is probabilistic. It changes
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every time. It's kind of like they're trying to make a brain obviously. Now, usually when you use a model from if you
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use chat GBT or you use Gemini, these are all closed models. And that means that it's effectively a black box. you
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you number one don't know what data it was trained on to make that model and number two you can't see the model
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weights. A model weight is effectively uh the people that are building the model can
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put more influence into certain aspects of the model to try to like guide it towards certain behavior. Um and kind of
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a lot of the race in AI is to like perfect these model weights to get better outcomes. And so the reason that
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a lot of these models have become more closed is because these companies don't want to disclose to each other what
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they're like how they're changing their model weights. So OpenAI has released a new open weight
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model. It's not the same as open source because if it was open source you could see the training data and uh OpenAI
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would be sued 100 million times. That's definitely the reason that they're not making it open source,
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right? um because they're already being sued by everybody and now they would just give up all their proof readily available on the internet.
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But David, I can just watch YouTube for free. I can't I'm training my brain right now. Uh
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anyway, it is it is a pretty big deal because now you can run these models locally. Uh which is pretty crazy. If
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you remember correctly, we did a DeepSseek episode and DeepSseek is this Chinese open I think it's I think it is
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open sourced uh open- sourced model that you can run locally on your computer and it was very competitive with the top
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models at the time and it was free to download and all these things and it freaked everybody out and a lot of
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people in the AI community decided we probably actually need to release open models because if we don't everyone's
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just going to be using these free models from like different vendors like Chinese vendors, to them it is better to get people to
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like the entire reason that Meta has llama which is their their model and
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that is like that is an open model the entire reason that Mark Zuckerberg is like open-source open models is the way
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forward and we want to give to the community is not because he wants to give away things for free it's because he wants to be the
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foundation that everyone do like uses to do things on top of and then they can
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figure out how to monetize that later and they're literally the least trust worthy company on the planet pretty much right. Exactly. So now it seems that
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open AAI sort of wants to get in that game. There's also been a lot of discussion of like well if the US in
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general those the companies in the US don't start releasing open models everyone's going to start using like
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Chinese like open models instead. Open weight not open open weight. Yeah open weight models. Open weight models instead.
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Um but these models are uh available to use via the Apache 2.0 license, which
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means they can be modified pretty significantly for commercial purposes. Okay, which is cool because it means that
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people can start making products that run locally on these local models and sell them and change the weights,
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right? So, it's kind of like a foundation that you can then work from and like build your own products from.
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So, if I wanted to make like a new browser in alpha and charge $20 a month for, I could do it with that.
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You could do it. You could uh they're still a little bit heavy, right? So like they released two new models. One of
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them is a 20 billion parameter model that is similar to the OpenAI 03 mini
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model. Uh and you can actually run that on 16 GB of VRAM which most people well
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many people have on their computers which it can run on a laptop effectively. And then there's a much bigger 120
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billion parameter model that is closer to 04 mini that needs a dedicated separate Nvidia GPU.
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Yeah, that one you cannot run in a laptop. Correct. But even so, just owning like a
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4080 or something and being able to run 04 Mini, which is like a very substantial model locally on your
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computer, is pretty cool, right? Um, so yeah, it's it's a big deal.
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I'm wondering what we're going to see happen from this. I think Google is probably going to have to get pressured
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into opening their own like creating their own model. Um, Microsoft is now hosting these models too on a bunch of
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their Azour servers and stuff like that. So yeah, it's it's a big deal, especially because, you know, it's open
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AI and their whole thing from the beginning was that all of this was going to be out in the open and then uh they
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realized they could make money out of it. Yeah. Yeah. Which is why Sam Alman has was trying to make them not like not a open
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foundation anymore or whatever. They they were trying to monetize it more than they are. They backtracked on that, right? They had to effectively they're a company
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that can only make a certain amount of money and then they have to not because they're not nonprofit is
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Yeah. They're they're a they were originally founded as a nonprofit organization in 2015.
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Yeah. 10 years later. 10 years later. Yeah. Yeah. Who knows what they are. Yeah. It's a pretty big deal. I think
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we're going to start to see a lot of different applications that can run different things locally. Um, you know,
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there's all of these companies that are relying on OpenAI, making a uh API calls
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to OpenAI, spending a lot of money to do so. Right now, they're burning through a lot of venture capital.
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But imagine you could package something and release it as an APK or, you know,
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on a phone or as a program on your computer and you could just run it locally on your computer. Obviously,
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these are still very heavy. you know, there still, but they're realizing right now that scaling laws maybe aren't the
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answer necessarily where scaling laws are where you add more data and the model gets better.
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Uh they're realizing that there are definitely ways to make models more efficient without scaling them up higher, which is what Deepseek did
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uh when when that happens. So eventually I think that we are going to get to we are going to get models that are small
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enough that they can like run on your computer. You don't have to download like a giant program and it's not going
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to take up all of your RAM like Chrome does. Altech forever has always been right here's really really cool thing that
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takes so much power. How do we simultaneously make that
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better and continue to take that much power but also make versions that are smaller and more accessible. So yeah.
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So, it's it's an interesting space for OpenAI to be in because they still want people to pay them for the API calls
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obviously, but if everyone starts using the free version of something, nobody's going to pay them anyway. So, they have
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to get in the game in some way. Uh, but yeah, it would be cool if things could run locally on your device and not um
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burn all the water on the planet. That'd be cool. I mean, it's still still screwing some
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stuff up. Yeah, it's still using it's still using power, but at least it's using it locally on your device instead of in a data center. It is cool that just there's now like
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multiple options like if you want you could do the API call to open AI and build whatever you're going to build. But now if you need something a little
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more robust, just get one of these things. Yeah. And this new model can do reasoning, write code, and operate agents uh using the company's API. So
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people also have been speculating like Apple's probably looking at this and going like we can finally do something
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because it's commercially available. Yeah, it still again uses a ton of RAM. So
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maybe not yet, but maybe in a year or two when these models are much smaller, they could just use that for Apple
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intelligence. Yeah, Apple Intelligence. Wait, we have to just like really briefly mentioned the really funny pixel video. Like this
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is too good of a spot to like say, but like Google released this ad that was basically just like it's like what
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Marquez has always said, don't buy a product based on future promises. And then they take a shot. It's like, well,
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the phone you've been looking at's future promise is over a year old at this point. Maybe just buy the phone
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that doesn't do that. Yeah. All of the ads for the iPhone 16 were built for Apple intelligence. And
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then the only Apple intelligence features they released for like Genoji and visual intelligence and
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yeah, not not the best use. Everyone's taking their shot at Apple right now. And
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yeah, and the Pixel comes out in exactly 14 days is the announcement. Two weeks. Yeah, announcements. already out
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technically. Yeah, that's true. I mean, Google themselves is showing it constantly. They show it in this advertisement.
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So, yeah, very funny. Anyway, with that, I think we're going to hit it to trivia real quickly and then we'll take a
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break. So, trivia. Uh Marquez is out as everyone knows. Ellis is also out
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because he's sick. I'm still in the lead. Oh, yeah. We didn't mention that. Sorry, Ellis. Feel better. Yeah, Ellis is is sick home. But he had
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a good idea. In these next two weeks that Marquez is gone, we are going to do a head-to-head
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trivia exhibition match. Just you, David, and you, Andrew, mono one.
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No, not necessarily. I don't think I've ever been winning going into a trivia extravaganza.
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I'm always winning going into extra and then I always lose. All right, so here we go.
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Okay. Oh. Oh. Oh, he made new music.
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This time I actually hear Ellis. He still did it. Yeah, I can hear his voice in that.
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Amazing work from from Ellis. Okay, so this is going to be how well you guys
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know each other. Oh, that is the the plot twist here. I don't like that. So, I'm scared.
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In the screen time app on both of your phones. Oh, boy. What is the most used app on
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the other person's phone by time? What is the top used app? Down 29% from last week.
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Oh my god. Nice. Wow. So yeah. So figure that out. Okay.
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And then we'll be back after the break. I somehow knew this. Oh, that's day. Sorry. Oh no. Oh no. Okay. All right.
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Start building your website today. Thanks to Wix for sponsoring our show. All right, everybody. Welcome back to the Nintendo Switch 2 podcast. Um,
00:25:07
except this time it's not about the Nintendo Switch 2. It is not about the Nintendo Switch 2 though, which kind of makes it about the
00:25:12
Nintendo Switch 2. I'm your host. Okay, so some news. Nintendo has raised the
00:25:18
prices on the original Switch and the OLED Switch and the Switch Light,
00:25:25
but not the Switch 2. But not the Switch 2. Okay, interesting. So, yeah, this is this is some interesting news. Uh, the now the OG
00:25:32
Switch now costs $340, up from $300. Yeah, that's a pretty solid bump.
00:25:38
This console is like 8 years old, by the way. Uh, the Switch Light is now $230 up from $200. And the OLED is now $400 from
00:25:47
$350. The $400 OLED to the Switch 2's $450 price tag does not make the Switch
00:25:52
2 look that expensive anymore. No. Which is very interesting. Uh Nintendo said that they did this because of
00:25:58
market conditions, which means tariffs. It happened a single day after the Trump
00:26:03
administration announced a 20% tariff on Vietnam, which is where Nintendo does most of its manufacturing. So obviously
00:26:10
there's a reason why they would have done this. Now, interestingly, the Switch 2 is also very largely
00:26:16
manufactured in Vietnam. However, I think that Nintendo is trying to avoid getting people very angry about them
00:26:23
rising the cost of Switch 2. Number one. Number two, it has already sold 6 million units.
00:26:29
Switch 2 is a very, very, very quickly growing console. They are selling a lot of these things. And I think that they
00:26:34
are a little bit worried that if they jack up the price now, especially because it's on a percentage basis, uh,
00:26:40
they're going to lose a lot of potential customers. So, I'm interested. I've already seen like
00:26:45
I've already been to a Target and seen Switch Twos just sitting there. They're definitely in stock. Yeah,
00:26:51
like pretty easy. I'm assuming they're pretty easy to get. I don't remember that happening with the Switch for months and months. I mean, it
00:26:57
took me days to find one when I bought my original Switch. Um, this Adam and I were talking about this
00:27:04
like last week on trying to figure out why it makes sense and my guess and this
00:27:09
is from someone who doesn't know anything about retail or that is like are they going to bump this up which
00:27:15
just means the cost of a retail store purchasing these to keep them on shelves will go up still like not exactly the
00:27:23
same. Obviously, the retail store is making some sort of a margin there, but and is this kind of attempting to cover
00:27:30
the tariffs of Switch 2 by release releasing stock that's out there already that's like this goes up, it'll
00:27:37
probably be paid by stores to sit on a shelf and maybe not even really get bought and is there some sort of like
00:27:43
recoup here from what they're about to lose for the 20%. Well, yeah, Andrew Webster at the Verge did some analysis on this. uh in his
00:27:50
opinion effectively was that it is much less risky to raise the price of hardware that is not sold as much. And
00:27:56
the reason is because I mean yes yeah people that buy like less of the stuff yes it won't it won't make as much
00:28:03
money but it's not going to scare people as much as it as it does to to raise the price of something that is very popular.
00:28:10
Well and this sucks the most for the people who might be interested in that. I if if the Switch 2 is out and you
00:28:17
really want the Switch OLED, yeah, you're probably not you're upset it costs more, but you're probably still
00:28:23
going to buy it because there is a very specific reason you want that piece of hardware. Yeah. And you're going to spend the money for
00:28:29
doing it. Yeah. It's it's obviously less risky because it's the thing that's I feel like this also helps because
00:28:36
people are going to be no longer looking at the Switch 2 as wow that's so expensive compared to the other Switch.
00:28:42
Like I could just get a Switch OLED for $100 cheaper. Like now the difference is only 50 bucks. It's like I might as well
00:28:47
get the Switch 2 if I'm already spending $400. I'm trying to think of like in this
00:28:53
scenario, how many people go into that like ladder? Cuz like if you're at a
00:28:58
Walmart, are there still old switches on in stock there and then you see it
00:29:04
next to each other? Are you looking at the Switch 2 because of a specific game which isn't even available on the old
00:29:10
switches? So, you don't even have to make that jump. You already have to pay the 450 because you want to play Donkey
00:29:15
Kong or Mario Kart World. Also, they could just be waiting for the
00:29:21
tariffs to change again. They're like, "We already have all of our stock for the Switch 2 in the States hopefully, so
00:29:27
we don't have to import a crazy amount." I think that's probably why they flooded the market. You know, like the original
00:29:32
Switch, it was hard to find them for a very long time. with the Switch 2, it's kind of been like every single week
00:29:38
there's a restock and like you said now you're at the point you can just walk into a lot of stores and buy them.
00:29:43
We still saw like huge shipments of phones coming in to beat tariffs. So I think on top of not doing a Switch One
00:29:49
and beating tariffs, there's probably so many Switch twos already in stock. Are they just raising these because they
00:29:56
I'd love to see how many OLEDs and lights they're still selling. I got This is what I was just about to
00:30:01
say. I'm on eBay right now looking at sold listings of Nintendo Switch One. You can buy them between $80 and like
00:30:09
$120 used a Switch OLED used with everything
00:30:14
is $160. Like you should not be paying full retail price for any of these things anymore.
00:30:20
So I'm really wondering how much of this cost Nintendo is actually recouping. In a way it is just making the Switch 2
00:30:29
seem like a better deal. That's what I think it is. So, at the same time, it's like, yes, they're doing it because of tariffs, but
00:30:34
also they're probably going to sell more Switch TWs if everything else is more expensive, you know,
00:30:40
cuz now it's just going to force people up the ladder to just I might as well get a Switch 2. Or even if they don't,
00:30:45
then they're minimizing their loss because they just raise the prices on all the cheaper models, right? Yeah. Which, you know, in 2025,
00:30:51
you look at inflation, it's like things can't really be that cheap anymore. Obviously, their their parts are so old
00:30:58
that they probably are making a huge profit if they're selling any of them. But yeah, it is it is very surprising.
00:31:04
$80 for a used Switch is kind of good, though. Yeah, I mean, that's not bad. I mean, yeah, it's great.
00:31:09
But I mean, you know, if you have an original Nintendo Switch, um it's it's
00:31:14
been a long time. There is one very specific one though that I do think goes for a lot because it's the easiest to mod or something
00:31:21
about it. there's like this very specific uh if you didn't update it, it was if you didn't update it to a
00:31:27
certain patch. Yeah, it was easy to mod. Uh also, they have raised the price of
00:31:32
the Switch One JoyCons by $10, which is something that people might buy new obviously because of stick drift, which
00:31:39
is uh effectively where it does not monitor the direction of your stick correctly after a certain amount of
00:31:44
time. A funny story Adam and I experienced the other day. We're playing uh rumble mode,
00:31:50
right? And Mario Kart World. Knockout. Knockout. Sorry. I think we've said this already. That
00:31:56
mode is so much fun. Knockout Tour. Knockout Tour. Yeah. Is like it's
00:32:01
I don't want to say it's worth buying World for that, but if you love Mario Kart, I think Knockout is super fun. It's the one to play with a bunch of
00:32:06
friends. Knockout Tour is basically like you you go through six stages in a row without stopping.
00:32:12
Without stopping and checkpoints and Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like it's almost like Fortnite where checkpoints people
00:32:17
get eliminated and you have to be and it goes from like 26 or 25 down to like four and then you win.
00:32:23
Um yeah or lose. But Adam, Alex and I are playing on the screen over here. And um
00:32:30
Alex is just like, "Oh my god, I got stick drift already." And he's like freaking out the whole brand new Joycon.
00:32:38
But he had tilt controls. He had tilt controls on it. Didn't realize the best is he was so into it. I was like, "Oh, no. I mine's messed up,
00:32:44
too. I think I have tilt controls on. You probably just have it on." He's like, "No, no, no." And he's like focusing and just playing. And then the
00:32:50
next time he switches control, he's like, "What the?" I was like, "Dude, you definitely just have tilt controls on." And yeah.
00:32:56
Yeah. I haven't figured out how to turn tilt controls off. If you press start and I It used to be
00:33:01
like the left button, but now I think it's Y. There. There'll be settings and you can turn
00:33:06
uh It's like auto steering, tilt control, and auto acceleration. Baby mode. I was just about to say that
00:33:13
too. Yeah, it's the bumpers on bowling. Okay. And they also raised the price of the Alarmo alarm clock by
00:33:20
No, see that's what they should raise the price on though. Like that's people are still buying that. Oh,
00:33:26
wait. I kind of want one. Sorry. Switch one JoyCons went up like $10, which people do need to replace because
00:33:33
you have a Switch One, everyone's JoyCons eventually get stick drift. I bet they're Yeah, I bet they're making more money off.
00:33:38
They're probably making a lot on the Joy. the JoyCons were already so expensive and you need to buy those new
00:33:44
effectively. So yeah, even if you didn't go and get the Switch 2, you're like, "Ah, my Switch is fine. I'm still just going to play these games
00:33:49
randomly." Like, you will need JoyCons eventually new JoyCons. So yeah, again, uh $450 is not seeming like that big of
00:33:56
a deal now that the OLED is uh $400. You know, $50 more for the brand new one is
00:34:03
Yeah, the OLED screen still looks a little bit better in my opinion, but a lot better. A lot better. Yeah. I would just love to see the
00:34:10
numbers of how many switches, switch OLEDs, and switch lights are still sold in the US on like
00:34:18
a quarterly basis. That data will probably come out. I mean, there probably is some data right now.
00:34:23
I'm sure there's a lot of Switch lights being sold. One, because it's the cheapest. Two, because it's the smallest, and they have a bunch of
00:34:29
colors. Like, if it's like a Christmas gift, little kids, this is this is just attacking all the
00:34:35
parents and grandparents who don't know anything about consoles. when they're asking for the new Switch. They just buy
00:34:40
the thing, the old version accidentally%. I mean, a lot of people probably don't buy anything used. You know, there's
00:34:47
probably a lot of people who just walk into the store and buy the thing and that's how they purchase everything. So, that's what they're counting on.
00:34:53
Yep. All right, moving on. Uh, we got Fedverse Corner to talk about. Let's go.
00:34:58
I need I need Ellis to make custom Fedverse Corner music. Uh, Ghost has
00:35:04
released Ghost 6.0. If you do not know what Ghost is, Ghost is a newsletter publishing platform and sort of also a
00:35:11
website builder. You can kind of think it as a combination between Substack and uh Squarespace,
00:35:17
which is pretty cool. It's It feels weird saying Squarespace on a piece of content because I've literally never
00:35:22
done a Squarespace ad, but like the entire entirety of YouTube is like powered is like run by
00:35:28
Squarespace ads. Anyway, I'm not I'm not doing an ad for Squarespace. No, you're not. But I am doing an ad for Ghost, but they
00:35:35
didn't pay me. Um anyway, so if you watched our Fedverse explained episode
00:35:41
that we did last year, it was called Blue Sky versus Threads. Yeah, it was last year or two years ago,
00:35:46
one of actually it might have been two years ago. That makes more sense. It could have been two years ago. Uh we broke down the protocols of the
00:35:52
open social web in that and we also interviewed Ghost CEO John Nolan because
00:35:59
John O Nolan, sorry. uh because he was very adamant about eventually
00:36:05
integrating ghost into the fediverse. And the way that this would work effectively is that your website itself,
00:36:11
so I have davidl.com, right? DavidL.com now is an entity in the fediverse. So on
00:36:18
threads or on blue sky or on mastadon you can follow davidml.com
00:36:25
and then whenever I make a blog post on davidml.com because ghost is a newsletter publishing platform you can
00:36:31
just see the blog post there. You can like it, you can interact with it, you can comment on it. Those comments will
00:36:37
show up uh on my website. So it's just kind of a way to own and distribute all
00:36:42
of your content across the social web which is very cool. Um I am trying to
00:36:48
figure out how they integrated it with blue sky because blue sky is on the AT protocol which is different.
00:36:54
Didn't they use the bougie fed thing? I don't think they did. Uh anyway, the
00:36:59
update also includes a native analytics suite. I think the reason that they're doing this is because there has been a
00:37:04
really big resurgence in Substack over the last year or so, which has been very interesting to see. Um because back in
00:37:12
2020, Substack blew up because a bunch of journalists started leaving different uh publications and starting their own
00:37:18
newsletters and making a lot of money. Substack was offering people effectively like entire salaries to write on there
00:37:24
exclusively. But yeah, I think there's been this big resurgence of a bunch of regular people have been writing on
00:37:31
Substack recently. And I think that that is a reaction to just the quickness and randomness and algorithm focus of social
00:37:39
media. A lot of people want to do more long- form thoughts instead of just dumb takes that are incentivized by the
00:37:45
algorithm to be um controversial. Blogs are back, baby. Blogs are back, baby.
00:37:50
It's funny cuz everyone you're describing here as like old reporter who made a Substack to do non-click bay
00:37:57
headlines. It makes me think of one of my friends who's the first Substack mentioned in this article talking about
00:38:03
Ghost. Really? Tangle News. Oh, that's your friend. That's cool. Oh, Marquez and I played uh Ultimate with
00:38:10
him. Wow, that's super cool. Um, yeah. Also, Ryan Barrett, the guy who does
00:38:15
Bridged Bridged is part of a new social, which is the group that's like doing this whole thing. So, I think back to my point, I
00:38:21
think they are using some sort of bridged. That would be my guess. I I emailed John O Nolan this morning. Um,
00:38:27
but he does not live on this coast. I don't think he's on the anyway. I'm not going to I'm not going to say where he lives, but uh I
00:38:34
Why don't you want to dox him on? As far as I understand, he lives in a different time zone. So, I'm not surprised that he hasn't gotten back to
00:38:41
me yet as of time of publishing. Uh I would like to find out how they're doing that on Blue Sky. But either way, it's
00:38:47
very cool. It's a very uh also Ghost is open source, so you can host it yourself. If Ghost, the company, the
00:38:54
business, goes out of business, you can still run your website. You can still host it. It's not like all these other
00:39:00
platforms where they get to make all the decisions and if they decide that they want to charge you a million dollars, you're just out of luck. You can do
00:39:06
everything yourself, which is pretty freaking awesome. So, uh, Adam, you updated Cool Supply, your your
00:39:12
newsletter to be on Go 6.0, right? And it was really easy. Like, I logged in and then a little banner popped up
00:39:17
and was like, "Hey, Go 6.0 is ready. Do you want to update?" And I was like, "Oh, sure. Yeah." So, I hit update and
00:39:23
it was like, "Go grab a coffee. This may take a couple minutes." And it literally took like 30 seconds and everything was
00:39:28
update. But I don't have a lot on there, but still it like completely updated. Super super chill. Very fun little Fedverse corner update
00:39:34
because this is what John has been waiting for for a very long time. Yeah. All right. It is cool. It's like having your own
00:39:39
little comment section. Yeah. No, it's amazing on everything. And I think newsletter should should come back. I've just been like I've been
00:39:45
nervous to do, you know, like a weekly newsletter because I don't want to be so reactive to everything all the time
00:39:51
because I think people need to digest information more and not have a hot take about literally everything.
00:39:57
This podcast would crumble if we weren't allowed to do that. Yeah, we actually usually have a couple days. Yeah, we have a couple days to think
00:40:04
about it and think if uh it's a horrible think about what we've done, think about our horrible opinions.
00:40:09
All right, last story before we take it to break again. Um, take it to the bridge. Take it to the bridge. Take it to the
00:40:16
the the bridged account. Bridged Fed. We tried. Instagram now says that you need a
00:40:21
thousand followers to go live. So, if you know what going live is on Instagram, um, it's a live stream.
00:40:28
This makes no sense to me. I don't get this. I don't understand. Like, if I really wanted to go live on
00:40:34
Instagram and do something nefarious, right? What's to stop me from just botting a thousand followers to whatever
00:40:41
account I wanted to go live from? And yeah, I mean, yes. And also, if like, yeah, just bot it, but if
00:40:49
you're a scam account that doesn't have a thousand followers, you're not scamming anyone cuz no one's watching the the live stream. There's no, as far
00:40:56
as I know, there's no live discoverability in Instagram. It's only page reels, like post and
00:41:02
reels discoverability. You only ever see live if you're following the person. Mh. So
00:41:07
yeah, this actually just kind of seems really crappy to people with not a lot of followers that might still go live to
00:41:13
like I don't there's By the way, a thousand followers is a lot of followers. A lot of followers. Like that's a lot of people. And it I
00:41:20
know that like you know huge accounts that have millions of followers are like that's not a lot. But regular people do not have a thousand followers. Most
00:41:27
people do not. And it's kind of lame that, you know, I I have some friends in like the film photography community that
00:41:32
occasionally just want to like go live and talk about some photos that they took just just to their friends, right?
00:41:38
And this this makes it feel like Instagram is moving further and further away from being a platform where you
00:41:44
share things with your friends and more and more like, oh, we're only going to give features to people who have a large
00:41:50
audience that can make us a lot of money. Well, if Instagram heard that, they'd say, "Thank you very much. That's exactly what we're going for." But do
00:41:56
you know what this like nerfs that's really funny people who bought like Meta Ray-B bands
00:42:02
or Oakley Ray-B bands because or sorry Meta Oakley because one of the cool things they said about that is like you
00:42:09
can stream on Instagram live from your glasses which I think is actually a really cool feature but now you need a
00:42:15
thousand followers to do it. So they just nerfed their own product with this. That's potentially thousands of people.
00:42:22
I did not think of that cuz I've thought a couple times about grabbing one of the pairs and like playing around of disc golf live. I'm
00:42:28
lucky enough that I work for a thing that has me over a thousand followers, but like
00:42:33
yeah, I know plenty of people that I would be like, "Oh, my buddy's playing around live on his Meta Ray-B bands right now. I'd love
00:42:39
to watch that." And now they might not be able to. That is so lame. I don't know. Some people were speculating as to why they
00:42:45
might have made this change. Some people thought maybe they want to send uh save on server costs like if there's like
00:42:51
less people doing live they they don't have to host it anymore. The first thing that I thought of was this is them kind of trying to cover
00:42:57
their bases for like random like terrorist attacks. Exactly. Like if you
00:43:03
cuz every time a bad thing happens on Instagram live it is live streamed and it's everywhere immediately. So like
00:43:09
this kind of stops that to a certain extent. You need to be a real person, quote unquote,
00:43:15
like actively engaging in the community of Instagram, get a thousand followers and then go live. Yeah. So, you have like more to lose if
00:43:21
you do something. Yeah. Which I get, but it also completely screws over everyone trying to build their audience and get bigger.
00:43:28
My argument with that and which goes to what David said is not everyone's on Instagram to build an audience.
00:43:33
Yeah. I just have some people just have friends. Like I think all the time how kind of bummed I am that I
00:43:40
didn't like separate my Instagram and have two of them. One that's more of the like MKBHD verse focused and one that's
00:43:47
more of just my friends. I originally split it off into Mac and then had to remake my own second one
00:43:53
that then but like yeah a lot of people just want Instagram to keep up with their friends. The only
00:43:58
reason Facebook's still alive there's like two Facebook groups and a few family members on there is the reason I
00:44:04
have it and marketplace but Yeah. Yeah. That's so funny. There's going to be so many people with Ray-B bands that
00:44:09
are probably live stream like random things to their friends that are going to be like, I just lost a feature.
00:44:14
I could see a class action lawsuit around that to be honest. If it's if it's a major feature that they
00:44:19
advertise, they did remember the thing they brought in Charleslair to go on like a go-kart
00:44:26
drive with the Meta Ray-B bands to and then like he was reading the chat on his phone. Well, I feel like he obviously has a thousand followers.
00:44:33
The feature is still there though. It's not like they're taking it away. So, you bought these glasses for that feature.
00:44:38
You have to have a thousand points. Yeah. Like they added a barrier, but like I don't know if you can like take a
00:44:43
class action. You could sue. I would argue that's a barrier for a lot of people that is one that won't ever be
00:44:49
broken because their profiles are private and they don't want a thousand followers. Yeah. Actually, I know a lot of people
00:44:54
with private. Yeah. So, dumb dumb change.
00:44:59
That was so much dumber than I expected it to be. like once we talk about it, we realize it's really stupid.
00:45:05
Anyway, that's going to be it for this segment. So, we will take it to another trivia question. Um, but next talking about really cool
00:45:12
things we like. Super head tohead trivia.
00:45:17
Super head-to-head trivia. Thank you, Alice. All right, the next question of how well do you guys know each other?
00:45:23
What are the apps in the other person's phone doc? Oh,
00:45:29
yeah. Oh. Oh. All right, that's interesting. Got to be tricky. It is.
00:45:34
All right. Well, we'll get that to that at the end of the show, but in the next segment, we are going to do a little show and tell with some stuff that we've
00:45:41
been uh using recently, interested in recently. I have too. It's going to be fun. Nice things we want to show and tell
00:45:46
about. Yeah. Show and I'm going to tell. Share with the class. I'm going to tell everybody.
00:45:52
I'm going to tell on you. Do it. Don't tell me. Be right back. That's a Marquez in China. Oh, I can tell. Marquez.
00:45:58
[Music]
00:46:10
All right, welcome back to another episode of the Wave Form Podcast. We're your hosts. Yeah, that's that's going to get old pretty quick.
00:46:16
Okay, we're on the third segment of this episode now. And uh this is our little
00:46:22
You're starting these so meta. I'm try I'm I'm sorry. This is our This is our little showand tell segment that
00:46:27
we're doing this week. So, we just figured we wanted Yep. We very rarely get to talk about
00:46:34
products that we're like individually using because this is mostly a news show. Um, and I kind of wanted to talk
00:46:41
about a new tripod that I've been using a lot recently. What tripod? You this morning were like, I really want to talk about this. Can we do show
00:46:46
and tell? And I was like, wait, I actually do have something that I just got that I want to talk about. That's awesome. That's very cool.
00:46:52
So, let's do it. Let's start tripod. Okay. So, if you are a photographer or in the photography community, you've
00:46:58
probably heard of Peak Design. Uh, they are very high quality, quite expensive brand
00:47:04
that creates um what they would call Peak Design. Oh my god.
00:47:09
Their words, not mine. Realize that it's like I think it's like a double entr like peak like mountain, but also that's always took the best.
00:47:15
I don't know. Anyway, uh I have had their original travel tripod for a
00:47:21
really, really, really long time. Basically, since it came out, I believe it was like 2018, 2017, 2018,
00:47:27
something like that. Uh I have the carbon fiber one, which is too expensive. Uh it is $600. It's
00:47:33
really expensive, but it's basically the best super lightweight tripod that I've
00:47:39
used. Um, I keep it I do a lot of hiking, so I like keep it in my backpack
00:47:44
and it's very easy to just slap my cameras on and and it just like tucks into pretty much
00:47:50
like your water bottle holder on the side pretty easy cuz who needs water on hikes when you can have a $600 tripod
00:47:55
instead. But like it's one of those things that can simultaneously be too expensive and
00:48:00
also just like really really high quality. The best thing ever if that's the scenario you have it in. Yeah. And they do have an aluminum
00:48:06
version of this which is not that much heavier and it's much cheaper. So, you know, that's still also a good option.
00:48:12
Anyway, this has been around for a very long time. It does have some quirks and features and uh that is why they
00:48:18
eventually made this new one called the it's the Peak Design Pro line of
00:48:25
tripods. Uh so, this is the small one. For some reason, Peak Design made three of the new of the new Pro tripods.
00:48:32
Do you know what the differences are between them? Yeah. So they it's mostly that they hold different amounts of weight and also uh
00:48:38
can get taller and shorter and stuff like that. This is the small one. So this will be
00:48:43
compared to the original tripod right here if you want to do that. I don't know if people This is like significantly bigger than I
00:48:49
thought it was going to be. Yeah, it is quite a bit bigger. So, for me, um, the one problem that I've always
00:48:56
had with the original, well, not one problem, maybe the biggest problem I have I've had with the original travel
00:49:02
tripod is that I shoot 4x5 film pretty often. 4x5 film is like one of those
00:49:07
large view cameras that you would see in like the 1940s. And when I would use
00:49:13
this, uh, it would have some shake because those cameras are very big. They're not really, these tripods are
00:49:18
not really made for like big payloads. So, I think part of the reason that Peak Design got into this uh market segment
00:49:26
was that they wanted to probably tackle people that are using like way heavier duty, harder core cameras. Uh, and then
00:49:33
there are just some engineering things with the original tripod that they made better. So, for example, it has this
00:49:39
quick lock mechanism that allows you to just like displace the uh they have this a little mount that is kind of like
00:49:46
standard to them. Um, and it looks like this. The tripod mount that goes on the camera. Like the original one's square.
00:49:52
It's very small, but I I liked what it was. My My biggest complaint about it
00:49:57
was the little area that they hold the Allen wrench for it. Yes, the Allen wrench fell.
00:50:03
Always. I have lost. Yours is missing. I noticed that missing. And you do need an Allen wrench in order to put this on your camera. So,
00:50:11
what I've ended up doing, I'm not going to show my keys on camera because people always yell at me about that, but I've
00:50:17
put an Allen wrench on my keychain. So, I constantly have an Allen wrench with me. Anyway, some of the problems that
00:50:23
the original tripod had is that if you raise the head here, and I'm sorry if
00:50:28
this is really boring to non-came people, but if you raise the head here and you want to um like put it at an
00:50:35
angle, you can only Wait, what was it?
00:50:40
So, it's on a It's a ball head. Yeah, it's a ball. Wait, and there's like these three different
00:50:46
dividers essentially that fall down into the tripod when it's tucked all the way in. And sometimes that makes turning it
00:50:53
sideways difficult because it kind of gets in the way. Yeah, it can kind of get in the way. Assuming that's what you're talking
00:50:58
about. So, this new one uh is more of a standard ball head where it can just pivot and twist in like many different
00:51:05
directions. So, that's very handy. You can just go 360 instead of having to, you know, jam
00:51:10
in there. That's very useful. Uh the big thing about the the 4x5 cameras though is that
00:51:16
this because the 4x5 is so big and it's not super heavy, but it does have a lot of surface area. It would shake a lot
00:51:23
and when it was windy on like a mountain and that was very frustrating because there's no optical image stabilization
00:51:29
on 4x5 film obviously. So any even the most like micro shake would would mess up the image. Um these are much more
00:51:36
stable. Even the small one is like super stable. They also re-engineered the center column uh to add a bunch of
00:51:44
different features. They changed the clips a little bit. Overall, it's kind of just like a much more sturdy system.
00:51:51
Also, when you're clipping in the camera, it now has the spring-loaded
00:51:57
mechanism. This I was just messing with this. Yeah, the spring-loaded mechanism for the the
00:52:02
tripod mount on a camera attaching feels super nice. It feels really good. So yeah, effectively you you like unlock it by
00:52:10
pulling this and it it pulls up this little tab that when you put the uh
00:52:16
plate in, it snaps it closed. Talking to your mic a little bit. I'm sorry. He's getting locks it in. Yeah. I'm
00:52:22
sorry. I love tripods and it like locks it in and then they have an extra lock right here. So I
00:52:28
don't know. Everything about these tripods is definitely about like stability and being able to shoot things
00:52:34
without any shake and stuff like that. They made the clips a little bit easier to use because un uncipping and clipping
00:52:40
a tripod always takes forever. Um, yeah. So, I've been really enjoying this. I
00:52:46
don't love how big it is. Like, you cannot really beat this original tripod
00:52:51
size. Uh, because this can fit in like basically any water bottle pocket of any
00:52:56
backpack that I have, whereas the the new Pro ones definitely are bulkier.
00:53:01
even the small one. For some reason, they made it in a small, medium, and large form. The large makes a lot of
00:53:07
sense because it's for like giant payload. Like, they're trying to get into the cinema kind of landscape. They
00:53:13
they sell an a fluid head adapter that makes it so you can use it as a fluid head tripod,
00:53:18
but I don't really understand why they made the medium one because the small and the medium are almost exactly the same size and they go up in size in
00:53:26
prices uh prices of $100. So they call it pro light pro and pro tall. So I'm
00:53:34
not really I don't really know. But overall like this has made my photography a lot um more reliable I
00:53:41
guess specifically with my 4x5 camera. I can see like I understand it being larger and the main problem you
00:53:48
have with it is shake and stability. So like making it larger is probably the only way to really fix that. And if you're I would argue if you're carrying
00:53:55
something like your 4x5 camera, you probably aren't trying to be in like this level of light payload where like
00:54:02
this could be I took this tripod with me and just like a Sony A7R, right?
00:54:08
With other hiking stuff. So like to me it was just part of the pack and then like not too bad. Um
00:54:14
but seeing this I think it's really cool. They obviously I mean Peak's quality is always absolutely at the top
00:54:21
of its game. This looks like they solved a bunch of the issues, but seeing it and seeing its
00:54:27
side just makes me still like the original one because I'd rather just throw it. It's so small. It's so like
00:54:34
when you are somebody, and I see this now all the time watching like disc golf YouTube of people like lugging tripods
00:54:40
around all over a disc golf course. Like you want a really small one, but the problem is all the really small ones are
00:54:46
really flimsy. This is they nailed their target demographic with this one.
00:54:51
despite its price. Um I think getting into the bigger game the when you talk about the larger one
00:54:58
and huge payloads and cinema stuff is like we have really good cinema tripods already it feel that feels like a
00:55:04
crowded space. I'm sure Peak Design can get into it. Um but I think it's probably for people that
00:55:09
like everything that they own is in the Peak Design ecosystem. Like they have built out quite in like an ecosystem
00:55:15
that uses all of their things and they interlock with each other and they've got all these features. Um, but yeah, I
00:55:20
think for like most people, the original one, even the aluminum one is like more than great. This is really going to be
00:55:26
if you have specific use cases like me with the 4x5. So, this the the travel tripod feels like
00:55:33
I'm packing it with other things. The pro tripods feel like my pack is all
00:55:39
cameras. That's all that's all that's in my That's been me for a while now. Well, yeah, but that's because you sacrifice the rest of survival things
00:55:46
for your cameras. That's true. I'm having lower back problems. So, yeah. Yeah. I don't know.
00:55:51
For my book, it's been great. No, these I mean, this is sick. Yeah. And it can get a little bit
00:55:57
tighter down, too, because of that redesigned center column. Yeah. The center column seems way larger, which is the best part about it.
00:56:03
Also, when the original one was all the way down like this, it couldn't tilt at
00:56:09
all. So, the only way to bring it up, you had to loosen it, bring it up to here, tighten it, and then it could, and
00:56:15
then it could rotate. But that means it can't go quite as low. Whereas this one can it can tilt even when it even when
00:56:22
it's all the way down. It's on its lowest stage. Yeah. Which is pretty cool. Do you know what I appreciate? Even though this is the pro version, it still
00:56:28
has the little hidden cell phone holder. So this has always been a really cool feature. In the bottom there's a hook.
00:56:35
Generally on tripods that hook is for stability. So you put like a backpack on the hook and that basically just adds a
00:56:42
bunch of weight to the tripod so that it shakes less. And I still do that. The hook on the bigger one is obviously
00:56:48
bigger, but inside of that column, they have a secret little cell phone holder
00:56:53
that you can put on the tripod. So, if you want to do like astro mode on your Pixel or something, you can now use the
00:56:59
tripod with your Pixel instead of having to buy a brand new tripod just for phones. That's cool. So, I think that that's really cool. Um,
00:57:06
also, obviously, we talked about the you need an Allen key, which is very kind of frustrating because you can lose it
00:57:12
pretty easily and they have a clip on the on the tripod. itself to store the Allen key. In the new ones, the bags now
00:57:19
have a slot for the Allen key. So, I think that they want you to keep it in the bag more. The previous bag had
00:57:26
like two microns of extra room. It's like putting a sleeping bag back in like a sleeping bag or like a bag.
00:57:33
It's so hard to get it in and out. Um, so the new one has a slot in there and they gave it a little more slack. So, I
00:57:40
don't I just wanted uh to bring that up because I've been doing a lot of mountain climbing recently and I've been
00:57:45
using this a lot. So, yeah. Nice. Interesting. They're still on Kickstarter right now, though. So, what's the final price? Did you say it?
00:57:51
Yeah, they're really expensive. They're like really expensive. Uh so, the Pro Light is going to be $800. The Pro, the
00:58:01
Pro is going to be $900 and then the Pro Tall, they call it, because I think it
00:58:08
just gets taller, is going to be $1,000. So, yeah, really expensive. They They're
00:58:13
also selling um a lot of new accessories with these. They have a new leveling base for people who like that. And they
00:58:19
have spiked feet for $49. Oh, it does have the level on it. Yeah, it has a level. Oh, yeah. Both of them have level. Okay.
00:58:25
But a leveling base is like that weird like cage thing that you can use with cameras. It's like it's kind of an old
00:58:31
school like hardcore photographer feature. Um yeah, then they have spiked feet. So
00:58:36
I guess if you're you know in the mountains and you want to like really really really rig it down if you're do I
00:58:41
guess if you were doing like a really really long exposure and you just wanted it to not you know overnight kind of um
00:58:49
long exposure. I mean, they co-developed this with Jimmy Chin, so they're gonna Yeah. do it in a scenario where it's uh
00:58:55
Yeah, it's lasting out there for sure. Yeah. Anyway, just want to bring that up real quick.
00:59:00
All right. What did you have? I brought something that is significantly cheaper.
00:59:06
Yeah, probably. Cheapness is actually part of the reason why I find it interesting and probably more useful to more people, I would guess.
00:59:11
Uh maybe. So, my thing is is like you wanted to possibly label this section
00:59:16
like our favorite things, but I don't want to call this a favorite cuz I was mostly kidding. Yeah. Yeah. This is You got one of these
00:59:23
that I saw on The Verge. You got one of these? So, I think I first saw it on the Verge. It is called the Cinda ergonomic mouse
00:59:29
rechargeable USB dual Bluetooth 302 vertical wireless mouth with volume knob.
00:59:35
Some Amazon. There's actually more to that, but I don't feel like saying all of it. Essentially, it's a vertical ergonomic
00:59:41
wireless mouse that comes in some wild colors. I bought arguably the coolest color, which is like purple, yellow,
00:59:49
and like a vintagey green. Like this feels very like um it's like a turquoise
00:59:55
like Rocco's modern life vibes green. Um and what so I I saw it because of the
01:00:02
color and because of the integrated volume knob. So essentially the mouse because it's vertical and ergonomic,
01:00:07
it's, you know, the the buttons are almost sideways and you hold it like you're holding a glass of water
01:00:14
essentially where you're kind of pinching it in between your hand. And then on the top now it's got extra
01:00:21
space. There's still a front and back button on the sides of it where your thumb rests, but above it there's a little knob that clicks in and can turn.
01:00:28
Um, that's what intrigued me by is the colors in that knob. Shaking in his boots. He hates knobs.
01:00:35
Um, what really intrigued me though is when I clicked on the link for it, it
01:00:41
was on sale for $1959 with the the list price at $27.99.
01:00:46
That's crazy. Part I don't know how they're making money off of this. I'm by no means saying the
01:00:53
build quality on this is great. I wouldn't even say it's very good. Yeah, I would say it feels like it's 20
01:00:58
bucks. It feels like it's 20 bucks. But when you look at a Logitech, I think they have the Logitech Lyft and the Logitech
01:01:05
Vertical are two of theirs and they're like 80 and like over $100 for them and
01:01:10
they're great mice and like people like Rich here love them. I don't love vertical ergonomic mice,
01:01:17
but I'm trying It's way better to get rid of your carpal tunnel. We'll see if it stresses me out more
01:01:24
than my carpal tunnel then I um But I think there's some design flaws in this. I I think the reason I want to be really
01:01:30
cautious about talking about this is because I've used it for less than a week and I don't know the durability of
01:01:35
it. Um, but for $20, I had to try and I'm going to keep trying it. The colors are sick.
01:01:41
It's USBC, which took Logitech years to finally switch to. It does. It
01:01:48
can do two Bluetooth connections and the USB dongle, which I'm always a dongle person. I think it's easier. Um, just
01:01:54
like a little, you know, USBA. Yeah. Um, the things I have not liked about it is I don't believe there's any
01:02:01
software. So, I cannot change what the volume knob I can't change what the volume knob
01:02:06
dubs, which really sucks for me because I'm using an audio interface, which means my volume keys don't do anything
01:02:12
when I'm plugged into my desktop. Okay. So, the volume knob does nothing for me. Also, how sensit how do you deal with
01:02:17
sensitivity? There's there are three DPI modes and then you also can just change sensitivity inside of Mac OS or
01:02:24
whatever. How's the latency when you're playing old school Runescape? I was going to say you should play Valerant with this. I'm definitely not playing. I should try
01:02:31
Valerant with it. That would be hilarious how bad it would be. Kind of like the way it feels. I'd say that the um the sliders on the bottom
01:02:38
are horrible. Like it feels like it's kind of like there's a lot of It felt fine on my mouse pad.
01:02:43
Yeah, maybe the mouse pad would be better than this. My biggest gripe with it, and we found this out when we were comparing it to Rich, is the Logitech
01:02:50
verticals where your mouse rests almost has like a bed for your thumb to rest on where it juts out. This is just straight
01:02:57
down and you're kind of like always gripping this mouse. Um, I say it's kind of like if you're a climber, like pinch
01:03:05
holds, you're always pinching this. You're not really resting your hand on the mouse at all, which is comfortable,
01:03:10
I think. Um, which makes you really have to think about using it. I've been kind of enjoying it. I find myself doing way
01:03:17
more wrist movements than like whole arm movements to move things to go around and click on stuff. It's taken a really
01:03:22
long time to get used to vertical mouse. It feels really strange. Um, they're
01:03:28
silent buttons, which is a lot of what like the MX Master's been doing now. I think they actually feel kind of nice.
01:03:34
Scroll wheel feels like but I don't really care that much. It's $19 and it works. The knob doesn't feel bad. It's
01:03:39
cheap plastic, but it's got some like nice feedback to The tactility of the clicking is nice. Yeah. And it's I mean it was essentially
01:03:46
plug and play. I plugged it right into my computer and it just started working. Um I'm assuming it would on a Windows as
01:03:51
well, but cool. Still I don't use for 20 bucks. Yeah,
01:03:56
it's crazy. Seems I do not know what the battery life's yet. I I've charged it once and it's still going after.
01:04:03
How many colors does it come in? Yeah. What are the other colors? Four. So there's a plain black. There's a a pink. What are they even calling
01:04:11
this? They literally don't even have color. Oh, no. They're just calling it pink. Pink, but it's like two different types
01:04:16
of pink. The buttons and the scroll wheel are or sorry, the buttons and the volume knob are a different color. This is the purple and green version. They
01:04:24
just call it purple. There's a light blue version and there's the straight black version. That one's definitely You can also buy two packs of these.
01:04:30
What? Really? For $42. Wow. So, it's more Wait,
01:04:36
right now that's more expensive, but it's not more expensive if you're assuming the list price of 20.
01:04:42
I don't know how cheap it how long it'll be this cheap. Yeah. Um, if you decide to go out and get this,
01:04:49
I cannot promise you how long long it will work. I assume it will work as long as $20 is worth. Um, but I was in I was
01:04:58
very intrigued by it. I want to see you game with this. There's no way I'm gaming. I need to see a pro Twitch streamer just using this.
01:05:04
And that would be I'm sure someone's done it, but getting like pro CS players to play it with like crappy. I bet the
01:05:11
latency on this is terrible. Yeah. But no one buys an ergonomic mouth for
01:05:17
like great latency. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Yeah, that's that's it. Cinda ergonomic
01:05:25
302 Cena mult multiple device cordless mice compatible for Windows PC laptop Mac OS
01:05:31
Purple pink Cinda they make a bunch of other random stuff
01:05:37
really yeah I've never heard of them although okay so here's my other thing this is probably why it's so cheap I'm almost
01:05:44
positive it's just whiteleabeled something because I saw a different really weird ergonomic mouse that looks
01:05:50
like an oven mitt And it's also vertical. That looks different, though. This is different. But Cena makes one
01:05:57
that looks exactly like this one, even though that one's from a different company. So, I basically found two of the exact same mice under two different
01:06:03
companies I'd never heard of, which makes me just assume this is white labelled from somewhere. Sounds like one of those Alibaba things.
01:06:09
Yeah. Yep. Got it. All right. Neat. Cool. Adam. Yep. All right. I've got two.
01:06:16
One of them is hardware, one of them is software. Ooh. So, for the last few weeks, I have been asked a surprising
01:06:22
amount of times, what is this teal thing on the back of my phone? Oh, yeah. Those are awesome.
01:06:27
Yeah. This is a Moth tripod basically. So, it attaches Mag Safe to a phone.
01:06:33
Now, I'm on iPhone, so it attaches perfectly. Last week, I was on Pixel, so it attaches to the case, but
01:06:38
but it will attach to the Pixel 10. It will attach to the Pixel 10 allegedly. We'll see in 14 days. But
01:06:45
it's just a a little Mags safe stand that like uses resistance to kind of prop itself up. Or if you need to get it
01:06:50
taller, you could like kind of fold it all the way out, which is really cool. It has multiple angles and stuff like that. So, it's just a really like handy
01:06:57
thing to have attached to your phone if you're not going to have anything on MagSafe anyway. Yeah, my friend Beer has that and she
01:07:03
does like content creation for a film company and it's amazing just watching her just like prop it up and making
01:07:09
stuff all the You know, Peak Design had a really awesome magnetic tripod for a phone, but it was like the proprietary
01:07:16
phone connect magnetic connection on their cases. And I just really disliked the fabric of their cases.
01:07:22
Yeah. Yeah. The tripod was sick. Like, it was so cool how maneuverable it was and how
01:07:28
small it was on the back of the phone. But their tripod case got grody. So,
01:07:33
yeah, sorry. The phone case got groy. Have they changed the material of that? I have no idea. I don't know if they're even still really making.
01:07:39
They used this really at the beginning, they used this really thin light material that just kind of disgusting
01:07:46
pretty quickly. Yeah. And it had a lot of like um it was like woven. So whenever you have woven
01:07:51
stuff like that, it just means so much more dirt and grime. And I liked it because I could film climbing stuff with
01:07:57
it, which meant my hands were chalky, which meant that thing in like two weeks was disgusting. Yeah.
01:08:02
Yeah. Nice. All right. What's your software? the software that I got. Uh, the reason I actually switched back to the iPhone
01:08:08
was to try this piece of software and Brandon put me onto it a couple months ago, which is the not boring software
01:08:15
like suite of things. So, in one of the studio videos, he was talking about his weather app. The developer of that
01:08:21
weather app, Andy Allen, makes a bunch of different like utility apps. And basically, his whole thing is he takes a
01:08:28
app that's pretty much a stock app on the iPhone and just makes it super pretty and cool. Mhm.
01:08:33
So, like in the studio, Brandon was talking about the weather app. He recently released one for a camera. It's
01:08:40
like retro camera, and this camera app is just so sick. It's so fun to use.
01:08:46
Not boring camera. It is not boring at all. And it it's almost like remember we spoke about the X a couple weeks ago.
01:08:52
Yeah, the Fuji X. The Fuji X. And it's like you use it because it kind of mimics a film camera.
01:08:58
Like that was part of the allore of it. Like you can't relook at the photos you use or whatever. This app kind of does
01:09:04
something similar, which is, you know, in the regular camera app, you take a picture, the little preview goes down to
01:09:10
like the bottom left and has like a gallery that you can then click to see what that does not exist on this camera
01:09:16
app. So, it is just the viewfinder, but you can customize the way the camera looks. It's really fun and quirky.
01:09:22
There's a bunch of colors and stuff like that. Um, and it does do like the best feature that I personally like about it
01:09:28
is that it does have really nice like filters and LUTs and recipes and you can even import your own L if you want.
01:09:35
It is a paid app. I believe it's like $14.99 for the year. So like I don't know a dollar or something a month. But
01:09:40
it's like overall a really fun app. You can also save just the straight up raw if you want. So you can take a regular
01:09:46
picture in their recipe or whatever and then still have your raw photo saved in
01:09:52
the background which is cool. Uh, I prefer that. But so far, I've been really liking it. I've been using it for
01:09:57
like a week, and the pictures that I'm getting are like fantastic. Yeah, I love everything that these guys make.
01:10:03
UI looks really similar to your uh rendered iPad case from the Shark Tank
01:10:09
episode. Oh, yes, you're right. A little more colorful, but it's just a really I I like seeing
01:10:15
things that have more intentional design. Yeah. And more fun. Yeah. But these guys also make not
01:10:21
boring calculator and not boring weather. Not boring habits. Yeah, I'm When you said a new app they
01:10:27
did and I looked on their thing and saw habits, I was like, he's about to talk about habits. Oh, that's next. I have that downloaded
01:10:32
as well. That's a good one. It seems like everything that they make is sort of like the most boring like utilitarian thing and they just make it
01:10:38
really fun. They just make it pretty and fun, which is one of the reasons I'm so excited about this is not iPhone, but
01:10:44
material 3 expressive cuz it's like the whole UI of the phone is that kind of fun material
01:10:51
expression. Yeah. But apps like these on iPhone that are just like fun to use and look cool.
01:10:57
Yeah, they definitely feel like material. Yeah, it's more like this is supposed to be fun and whimsical and different, you
01:11:03
know, not like very monotone and clean like the the old aesthetic of Apple. So, like having this app on an iPhone has
01:11:11
just been like a fun weird experience. Cool. So, highly recommend it. That's awesome. I just want to say, hey, Andy, us
01:11:17
Android people like to have fun, too. I wouldn't mind trying some of these out. I made a whole episode about why there
01:11:24
are so many different iOS apps and no Android. I want to have fun.
01:11:29
You're not allowed. You're only allowed to go on. I'll have a lot of fun with my lemon cello pixel
01:11:35
piss color. All right, let's move on to trivia.
01:11:43
Super head tohead trivia. Super head-to-head trivia. All right, so
01:11:49
first question. How well do you guys know each other? Look at your average screen time and guess the other person's
01:11:57
most used app. Go. And we're doing of like the last week,
01:12:02
right? Last seven days. Yeah. Yeah. or like seven days in general. Not like the last seven days until now. But
01:12:08
I'm worried this is going to be really boring. Don't give him a hint. Oh, wait. You're giving me a hint.
01:12:14
Shoot. I think I know what it is now. Maybe at the end of these uh exhibition matches the winner will win something.
01:12:21
Who knows? No pressure. You probably won't win anything, though.
01:12:27
All right. Flip them and read. What do you got? Oh, you went way too boring. Oh, dang. I said Instagram. I'm sorry.
01:12:34
You said Instagram. I said Google Maps. No, I forgot. You don't know what the answer is.
01:12:40
I said Instagram. No. All right. Mine was Instagram. Oh, really?
01:12:45
Oh, dang. Mine was Mine was Reddit. Was it really? Yeah. Can I Wait,
01:12:51
cuz I'm I'm hooked on that Pokemon Trading Card game and you're reading all the like and the subreddit's really fun.
01:12:57
Okay. So, me and Ellis thought that yours was going to be the Pokemon trading card game. Oh, it was number one for today.
01:13:03
Oh, okay. I already had 45 minutes. That's what I should have guessed, though. So, wait, can we talk about
01:13:09
something with Reddit? That's really funny. My favorite thing about the new Reddit app is if you take a screenshot
01:13:14
of a postdit app, the Reddit app they killed all the other ever since they killed the good ones.
01:13:20
Yeah. Yeah. The bad official. If you screenshot a post, it recommends it's so quickly Bros post puts this
01:13:26
little crappy popup cuz it's in it's all in white and just like plain text. is just like, "Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Do you want to share instead?"
01:13:33
Yeah. It's so much more fun if you share this with someone. I'm like, "Eat my screenshot." Yeah. Because then it gives you a link
01:13:40
and then the link opens the Reddit app. Yeah. Yeah. It's It makes me happy every time I
01:13:46
Yeah. It's like you can't stop me. I was worried mine was going to be Reddit cuz I still do go on it pretty
01:13:51
often and then get frustrated. But, you know, it wouldn't help my public image if it was Reddit. I will say annoying
01:13:58
cuz everyone sort of has their sort of like my brain needs sustenance uh app,
01:14:05
right? I'm annoyed that mine has become Reddit as of recent weeks and I I do not like that. I've just tried to make my
01:14:12
following subreddits so actually mine are so small that the majority of the time Reddit just doesn't work for me
01:14:18
because it won't reshow me articles and then like just nothing will show up in the home
01:14:24
page which is another glaring awesome development by the Reddit app because it's just such a good app.
01:14:30
Yeah, it's really bad. It'sing terrible. Yeah, it's bad. Damn. But all right, you say that. What was the next? I don't remember the
01:14:36
next question. The next question is, what apps are on the other person's doc
01:14:42
on your phone specifically? [Music] I'm going to answer and then ask a question.
01:14:47
Okay. Is it one point for each? No. Okay.
01:15:01
You got this. No pressure.
01:15:07
All right, flip them and read. What do you got? Uh, I put messages. Is that on there?
01:15:13
Uh, sorry. Okay. Wait. So, here's how I'm going to ask Adam. How do I score this? I have two folders on my dock.
01:15:20
What does every app inside my folders count? Yeah. So, David, basically, David can't lose. David could
01:15:27
have Your whole phone is on your You could have gotten 70 points off of this. How many apps do you have on your dock?
01:15:33
Each folder has 12 apps. You're a monster. And then I have three other dude. The entire point of the dock is
01:15:40
quick access. Yeah, quick access. Oh, 24 apps. No, but these folders if I accidentally
01:15:47
if I like get rid of one of them, I like forget how to function on this because like my thumb is so used to
01:15:54
picking things just by second nature that like if one of these shifts No. Oh yeah. I just pull down and change
01:16:01
everything. so much longer. I mean, yeah, but I don't need to worry about where it is.
01:16:06
I would argue 99% of the apps I use in a day are in one of these folders on my
01:16:11
dock and it's just like it's almost like a shortcut key to just press it. This is insane.
01:16:16
How is that you guys type it out every time you want to find something? Well, I just have a doc and then if I
01:16:22
need to find something then yeah, I'll just search for it. Every time I I think the comments are going to agree with me on this one.
01:16:27
I don't disagree. I think the comments are on our side. Well, you guys also though Oh, you have a homepage though. I
01:16:32
have literally nothing else on my homepage. I only have my doc. Got it. I have like my most used apps on
01:16:40
my homepage. And then when I want to use something else, I swipe down and search. Yeah. I just have nothing on my
01:16:46
homepage. My five icons on the dock. Two of them are folders and they're the apps that I use every day. And I never go
01:16:52
into my app drawer. This question is kind of moot then. Well, cuz he has all Did I just show
01:17:00
you? Well, I'm not giving you Frisbee. Did I just show you? I wrote it down. He wrote it down already. But David, what did you say for
01:17:06
I said messages. Correct. Andrew, is that correct? Spotify. Spotify. That's in It's a very common one in one
01:17:12
of my folders. I would give him that. Google Maps. Correct. Correct. Some sort of Frisbee app.
01:17:18
There is a U disc is right here. Nice. Four for four.
01:17:24
You shot yourself in the foot by having folders on that. That's your fault. I I'm it's just very excited for the I
01:17:30
don't know if this is like an Android verse iPhone thing or like I think just having fun with this like I
01:17:37
think you guys telling me the better thing is to go into your app drawer and search for it every time. No, you just swipe down.
01:17:43
Especially you because you like a clean Oh, swipe down and search. It's the same. I guess in Android you go into your app drawer.
01:17:48
Yeah, you just swipe up. But it's the same thing. But you like a clean first homepage. Like you don't like anything on there.
01:17:54
So it makes sense to me that you would just search for everything. Like why even why would I search when I can just tell me an app to press right now?
01:18:00
Uh you can do it looking Instagram. That's depressing.
01:18:06
It's not depressing. It's just like these are the things that like I'm so used to. Okay. Slack.
01:18:11
Damn. Sheesh. What about you? Basically the folders my most common ones are usually on the bottom so I can
01:18:17
just press them again. It almost turns into the second doc and then like I don't know. I guess another common one
01:18:23
is my email or like Instagram or YouTube. Going back to our conversation from last
01:18:29
week though, that just means that you have this stored in RAM at all times. Physical motions.
01:18:35
I have to take screenshots of what my folders are because when I get rid of one that maybe I don't use as much and
01:18:40
then all of them shift, then I'm just like, oh no. And I try and click things and
01:18:46
it's just wrong all the time. See, muscle memory is unreliable. You should just use the built-in search function. I think that's insane.
01:18:53
Anyway, what did you say for David? Yeah. What did you say for me? I said phone. Uh, no. I sw I I No.
01:19:00
No. I don't use my phone. Messages. Yeah. I said camera. No.
01:19:06
I said Reddit. No. And Instagram? No. What is on your There's only four in the iPhone doc, by
01:19:11
the way. I don't know that. Yeah. So, I have Pocketcasts. Nice. Far left because it's my most used app.
01:19:19
Um, messages. Okay. Okay. Then I have uh Arc Mobile
01:19:26
which is my browser. Hey, you didn't put a browser on there. I have my browser in a folder.
01:19:32
Oh. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Oh, I should have put Safari, but you
01:19:37
use Arc. And then I have Spotify. And Spotify, which I've been trying to use uh YouTube
01:19:43
Music more recently, actually. Um Oh, really? But the UI is horrible. Yeah, it's nice. It's like so bad.
01:19:49
Mhm. I can tell you use a lot of audio on your phone cuz you have two audio things. Yeah. In the bottom. I listen to podcasts most of the day.
01:19:56
Yeah. Same. Yeah. So, dang. Cool. All right. Okay. Nice. Good question.
01:20:03
I want to see the comments. We learned something new about you, Andrew. Yeah. Another thing I'm a machine.
01:20:08
Don't fix it. Search. I think searching. What about Google? Where's Google Tasks? Can you instantly get
01:20:14
Well, Google Tasks is the only thing I have on a different page. Oh, my next page is basically my Google task list and my calendar.
01:20:20
Okay. Which I also have calendar here, too. Multiple. Well, this is like if I want to go month by month. The other one's just like
01:20:26
what's going on. What's happening right now? Yeah. Okay, cool. Well, uh that's been it.
01:20:32
Let us know in the comments how wrong Andrew is. Yeah. Let us know in the comments uh how you feel about that.
01:20:37
We're very close to the Pixel event. We have one more episode. Um and then the next episode we actually record on the
01:20:43
day of the Pixel event. So, in two weeks when Marquez is finally back. Can't wait. Make sure you subscribe because the f
01:20:48
the more people that subscribe um the faster Marquez will come back. Uh if you don't subscribe and we don't grow to a
01:20:54
million followers by the time he comes back, he will get stuck in China. He's going to get very sad if we don't have a million sub. That would honestly
01:21:01
be the craziest cry, bro. It's not a good site. Could you imagine if Marquez just came
01:21:06
back from China after only missing two episodes and we doubled in size subscriber wise?
01:21:11
Make it happen. That would be sick. Make it happen. We'll collab with Mr. Beast. Yeah, do a collab YouTube post
01:21:17
with this. Anyway, that's been it. Catch you guys later. See you in the next one.
01:21:22
Peace. Wait for is produced by Adam Molina and Ellis Roven. We're partnered with Vox Media Podcast Network. Energ music was created by Main Silk.
01:21:28
Bingo. Let's go.
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01:21:45
Oh, and you can break it down into categories, too. Yeah, there's a lot of data there. There's a lot of data. There's a lot of smarts and also a lot of data.
01:21:50
I mean, that's a lot of smarts, but also a lot of data. Exactly. Marquez, thanks. Wow. It's like he's here. Thanks for chiming in.
