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You can now in adjust the intensity which HDR content displays. There's a slider now. So it'll show you like the brightness that the HDR content comes through.
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Dragging it all the way up. Marquez, I'm dragging it all the way up. That's what it was. I want it. I want to be scrolling with
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low brightness and I want to see your your picture on Instagram and just boom. Marquez wants that flashbang
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in his bed. I want that impactful media. I just want to turn it all off. Turn it all the way up. I hate HDR.
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Yo, what is up people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm
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Marquez. I'm Andrew. And it's your birthday. Nice. Happy birthday. Happy birthday.
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Today is as of the day of recording, my birthday. My 32nd birthday. And what's your listening age, by the way? Uh yeah, we'll get to that. My Spotify rap seems to agree. Um, yeah.
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So, in this episode, we we have like kind of a lot actually to go through. A bunch of stuff for some reason. All
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happened this week in the first half of the week. Very convenient for us to talk about on the pod. Galaxy Z Trifold for
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real for real this time. Uh, tons of Android features. Uh, YouTube also finally did the thing.
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You know what I'm talking about. YouTube Rewind. Yeah. Uh, actually, yeah, I miss it. I miss it. Uh, and also, uh, we're going to wrap it
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up with our Waveform Creators rap to see how many of you continue to listen to us. So, that's what we're going to do.
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K-pop. I also had K-pop on my Spotify rap. So did Casey. K-pop Demon Hunters. Well, it is your birthday and we thought we'd open this episode
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with Adam. Could you grab us that? Um, we got you a little present. Yeah. Oh, we know it's hard to get something for the man who has everything, but last week you told us there was something you
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didn't really understand. So, we thought it would be a perfect time to get you that thing and see if you can um live the magic of live the magic. And then we'd also be
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curious as the greatest tech reviewer on earth, the greatest product reviewer on earth, we would curious if you could give a brief re like a, you know,
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instant stream of consciousness review. This must be a Lubu. There's Can you please explain the audience?
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Well, I just think you'd have the ability to make it crystal clear what a Lubu is for everyone else. Wow. Way to
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ruin the surprise. Do a hand do a hands-on review. All right, I'll I'll unbox this. Oh. Oh,
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I'll unwrap this. Um, and it is in fact I'm pretty sure this is Lubu. Does it say Lubu anywhere? Or is that a nickname? It doesn't say Lubu on it. Oh, it doesn't? I've also never witnessed this happen.
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It says it's Well, it says uh Did you get a knockoff, fellas? No, I did not get I did not get a lufu.
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Well, is what is Luind? Is that like what people call it as a No, it's the real name. That is in fact a Laboo.
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It doesn't say it anywhere anywhere. I think people already know what it is. It says exciting macaron the monsters
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vinyl face. Uh PopMart. It doesn't say Laboo anywhere, but here's the box. Uh it's a PL. It's a colorful box. It's got colors. Um I'm going So it's a blind box, so you can get any
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of those ones on the side. And there is like an extremely rare one, right? We all know he's going to pull it
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in this series. The extremely rare one is a one out of 12 chance. The rest of them are one out of six.
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Got it. So, there's six six of them on the side and then one secret one that's a one out of 12. So, it's exactly twice
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as rare or half as common. 12. I will open it. No, that's not Runescape drop rate.
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That's fantastic. It's in a bag now. It also does not say labu. It says exciting macron. I'm actually starting to wonder why people call these a boobies. I thought they had like a tear thing on
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the inside. This has like a a sticker on the top that feels like it got tampered with already.
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I went to the PopMart store in World Trade and purchased this. Smells kind of artificial. Smells smells kind of like a carpet. Um, okay.
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Secret one. So, this is beige. I'm going to go based on I believe I believe there's a card in the bag that that tells you what's in the in the the blind bag.
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Oh my god, it's ugly. It's pretty cute. Okay, this card this is very like Patagonia jacket
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colored. Yeah, beige. Uh I got toffee it says. Oh, okay. So, one of the middle normal rarity ones. Toffee is and I guess that's the color too. Uh, so it's a
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little furry character with um it's it has like regular hands and feet and a face, but then the rest is completely covered by fur. Uh, it's got a keychain
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on the top, so you could pitch your keys on this. Oh, shoot. Um, are you going to do that for the rest of
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the day? We would be very hurt if you wouldn't put if you don't put your I actually don't carry any keys with me,
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so I I will not have any keys to put on this, but it is a nice little keychain, I will say. And it says the monsters on
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it. So, at no point anywhere does anything say Lubu. I'm also The exciting macaron thing is
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that that's this one's like uh I believe series, right? Okay. Oh, yeah. But there are no macar macaroons. Well, I believe all of the colors are references to
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Oh, to macaroon color. Uh, or flavors perhaps. I don't know. I think it's just macaroon colors. Toffee.
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Oh, yeah. Toffee. Yeah. Yeah. I think audio listeners love that section. Yeah. I cannot say I understand any of the
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hype, but it is a pretty unique looking uh character. How's the build quality, would you say? Yeah, it feels So, it's kind of like a
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bobblehead. It feels like I could rip the head off. I don't want to. I'm not going to, but it kind of doesn't it feel
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doesn't it look like I could look at it? How small the neck is? It's pretty malleable. I'm just saying.
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I think that's that's good build quality that they're confident enough in a tight neck. Can I feel it?
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Yeah. Here you can try it. Happy birthday. Yeah. Happy birthday. I know you love your presents so much and will never get rid
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of it and carry it everywhere you go. Yeah, you guys know me. You know what's funny? On the tag, they have a little area to cut it.
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Nice. Smart. Yeah, you should cut it off cuz it takes up like a lot of the space. lose resale value in there.
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Honestly, decent build quality. Is this is resale value something I should be thinking about with this?
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Not anymore. No, I already opened it. This is just a normal mass-produced product that everyone can buy. Here, I can find the resale value.
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Okay, there's no way it's high. That's soft. How much actually is a is is a Lubu or
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whatever this is about $30 on this. Whoa. You spent This was This was to be fair a corporate card purchase. It was for
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the podcast. We forgot it was your birthday, which maybe makes this worse, but we wanted to do it just for the pod and
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then it happened to land on your birthday. Research. Research. There was a mint green humansized labua
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that sold for $170,000. Mint green. But that's like a oneofone humansized one. Yeah. I feel like these are just regular stuffed animals.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But they're creepy. Collectible with like a unique face that is like remember the
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Do you remember the trolls with the long weird hair? Yep. Yep. It's not different. Yeah. Everything is the same.
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I agree. I'm going to Nice. Oh, we live in a circular society. Oh, perforated. Nice. Yeah. Well, cool. Yeah, that's It does seem that toffee sells on eBay
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for slightly more than it was paid for in the blind box. So, how easy was it for you to walk in and buy this in the blind box?
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Uh, that easy. I I walked into the Popart store and grabbed one of the blind boxes and took it to the register
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and uh corporate card. Are we past the major hyper the hardest part of the whole thing was that the corporate card does not have a tap chip? Um and I had to actually
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physically insert it. Um I do believe we I don't know if we're necessarily past the hype as much as every single thing
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is a recession indicator. Yeah. Um, but there were more than four blind boxes available for purchase in the NYC Oculus Walmart store. Yeah.
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Huh. Yeah. Nice perforated box. Nice perforated tag. Good build quality. I have no idea how much you spent, but without looking at the receipts on the corporate card, I'm going to That's what I was going to guess. $30.
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Yeah, it was it was I think before tax it was like 28 and after tax it was like 31. Okay.
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Would you describe that as an experience worth $31? I can tell that this is not about the
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physical product at all because it's not impressive at all. It's definitely more about the social uh plugin and like
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relating to other people who got one and like the Pokemon card opening type of experience. It's like not really about
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the thing. It's more about the the stuff around the thing. The aura. The aura. The aura. The aura.
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Are you farming right now? This thing is for sure. Yeah. Yeah, we've blessed this episode with Lubu
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aura. Yeah. To every to everyone that begged me to buy Marquez Lubu after last week's
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episode, you know who you are. Yeah. You're welcome. You made this happen. Well, happy birthday.
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Thank you. Uh, I have another birthday gift for you. Oh, that is a segue. It's more dystopian Nice. Okay, so this is actually what you asked for.
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This is actually a birthday gift for Ellis. Um, okay, Ellis. Yes, I know how much you let you love AI
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overview. I know that. And when I said that that Laboo sold for $170,000 at auction, it
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was an AI overview answer. It might be a lie. I'm not sure. But because I know how much you love AI
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overview, I've got a really fun new headline for you, which is in the Google Discover feed on some
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phones when you know the thing where you swipe over to the left. Yes. Um, notably my friend actually liked the articles
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that were being served to her because they were about chimpanzees. Uh, they are now experimenting with
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using AI to replace the headlines with like fourword headlines and it's going about as well as you would expect. This sounds like when Apple tried to summarize notifications and it just went
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horribly wrong. Yes. Yes. So, so here are some of the summarized headlines. Okay. PC Gamer Balders's Gate 3 players
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exploit children. Not what the article is about. Do you know what the article was about?
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No. And like if I type that in isn't about that. I I think I found the article on Gamer.
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It's it's about how Balders's Gate three players have discovered that since kids are not killable in the game, they could
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control an army of them to make the game very easy, but they're virtual children. Maybe that not that far up.
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extremely far virtual children. That's true. Very different from real children. All right, here's another one. Uh, G2
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slows older pixels. I have no idea what that could be about. That can't use G2 old.
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G2 is Oh, yeah. G2 is on the newest Pixel, not the older pixels. Uh, from the Verge, Microsoft developers using AI. Nice.
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To be fair, that does narrow down a I should click this article. Uh, RS Technica Steam Machine price revealed. It was not.
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Are you serious? It was. Well, no, it was not actually revealed. I know. That's correct. Um, PC Gamer schedule one
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farming backup. Uh, probably a Farming Simulator headline of some sort. It's this like crazy game where you're like a you like
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grow drugs and sell drugs in this town and like you can um like experiment with it and feed it to
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the like uh people around the town and they get like they'll like vomit on the street and it
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was this crazy game that for like a month had a ton of hype. So there must have been
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uh not the Sims quite but yeah it's like drugs drug dealer simulator pretty much.
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I am getting flashbacks to Sim City and actually one of my favorite games of all time that I almost guarantee none of you
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played which is called Sidmer's uh civilization golf sim golf and you could build a golf course and a business around that golf course and you had to lay it out you bought a plot of
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land. This is the most Yeah. You bought a plot of land and you had to buy a plot based on how hilly it
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was or how flat it was and how malleable, how rocky or whatever. And then you start building and it costs a certain amount. You start off with a three-hole golf course, a little pitcher
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putt, and then you destroy things and you add new holes and you build a 9-hole course and 18 hole course. You build a whole business out of it until you have
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uh and then you build a golfer as well. God, and the soundtrack for this game was so good. This is the ideal Marquez video game.
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Yeah, I put a lot of hours into that game now I'm remembering it. Dang. Wow. Incredible. Good times. Anyway, last one
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uh from PC games and AI tag debate heats what? Because they're just trying to use like as few words as possible. The I feel
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like the funniest thing about AI stuff is they're like we're going to pull all this stuff from articles that we didn't write, you know, into AI overviews and stuff and give terrible credit towards
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it. And now they're like, do you know what else we could do better than them, even though they're doing all of it in the first place? Rename their headlines. Like dude
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everyone online we are people like this is like a title is extremely important. I think the people writing these
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articles know how important the titles are and that some garbage blackbox LLM is going to do it better than Google forced this industry to be developed. Like Google forced the SEO
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industry. There are conferences. There are expos that people go to to talk about search engine optimization. And
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now Google's like we don't care that you did that. We're just gonna like randomly mess with it
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now. Yeah, that is not my favorite feature. Yeah, it just feels like I've never worked at
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a tech company. I don't really understand how things go on in there, but it just sort of feels like someone woke up some morning, some like VP,
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middle manager type person. I was just like, man, I haven't given anyone any new ideas in like a month. I got to I got to think I I I got it. Well, AI the the headlines. Yeah, I know we've
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already made all the videos and images slop. Let's make the headlines slop now. Anyway, the Verge did reach out to
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Google about this and their official statement was, "We are testing a new design that changes the placement of existing headlines to make topics easier
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to digest before they explore links from across the web. I want articles to be harder to digest by just the title and I want you to have to click it and go into
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it's more you're flat the more you flatten an idea the more it's going to be misinformation spread across
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one of the best things Twitter has ever done which was the please read this before you before you retweet it. It's like are you
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sure you want to because you could still read the article. That's that actually is one of my biggest gripes about AI overview just in Google
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is I can read it and be like, "Okay, that is exactly what I'm looking for. I just
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want to double check it because it's an AI overview." And then you click the link and then it shows like three
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articles that I possibly pulled that from. I just want to be like I just want where did this quote come from? Like
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this would actually be helpful cuz it is right some of the times. And when it's I just want to make sure it's right cuz I
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will never take it at face value. Yeah. and it makes that part really hard. That's my biggest frustration.
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Well, hopefully people will uh hate this as much as I do and they will not end up shipping this full time because it's
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just an experiment right now. How long until this comes to YouTube and we don't have to think about titles anymore? that would that would hit so
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much harder for me cuz like I it's the packaging is part of the product in and that's like a generic statement about like every industry and every product but also with articles like the
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the headline and the the opening like in the newspaper this was true now about online articles the packaging is a part
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of the product and for us videos the thumbnail and the title even though you can AB test it or whatever it's still
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very true that the packaging is a part of the product it leads you in the thumbnail sometimes is the opening scene
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of the video, things like that. Uh, for AI to just gobble that up and summarize it, like we've seen that go
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poorly so many times. There's just no way that that works. Well, I think for people listening to us or even maybe in our shoes sometimes, it's
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it feels like it hits harder for if they took this to YouTube because it's so much easier to be personal on seeing a
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face, but like we probably know some of the people that wrote these articles. This is like 9 to5 Google. This is
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Verge. You just put an article on the Verge. Like this could have been yours up there that you took time to doing. We
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know people at 95 Google Android everywhere. And like these are actual people that think the
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same way we do. It's just a written form and you don't see their face. You guys are stuck in the past, man. You're stuck in the past. Don't you
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realize that all Google's doing? They're lowering the barrier to entry, bro. It's like what if you really want to be a
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journalist, but like you're really bad at writing and you don't want to learn how to write. Now you can just have the AI do it for you. What if you want to
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review a phone but you just don't have the phone? It's just like AI can just see how the phone's doing online and
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get with the times guys like you should be able to do anything without trying and give Google money in the process.
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There was there's a part of my brain that was like trying to reason with like the old skill that we had growing up was
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we wanted to find information on the internet. So, we had to learn how to Google something language.
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An SEO language. And not only that, then like how to navigate the top couple links to figure out like which sources
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you trust and like how to gather the information to find the answer. Yeah. And over time that became like the
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established thing that we all had to learn. And now there's kids growing up where they're going to Google something and they have to have a totally
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different mindset about how to find the right answer to their question, which is going to involve like a lot of times
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looking at an AI overview and then like clicking all of the links that it references and gathering that together.
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I don't know. Like I I want them to also have some sort of process that they can trust to find reliable answers to
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questions on the internet. And it's definitely going to be different today versus how we grew up 10 years ago. But
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I yeah, there it just doesn't seem like it's better. What Google wants is they want to make an answer engine, not a
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search engine. They want you to be able to just type a natural language question into a box and it just tells you and you
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don't have to go to a website. It just wants to be like the answer to everything in one little which is fine, but then let me go one
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level deeper. But it's not the information. If I Google like, okay, Samsung trifold,
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I don't mind them taking the top 10 articles, summarizing it, and being like, this is a thing that happened. I
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should be able to click that and see all the actual articles like give me the answer. Sure. But then when I click it
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just pop up. Yeah. But I just think like the lowest common denominator is people generally are not going to go to those articles.
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You are because you grew up in an era of skepticism. It's kind of like commoditizing surface level knowledge. So it lets you like
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speedrun the beginning of learning about something into the middle. Like at the beginning of like you let's say we know
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nothing about what do we we know nothing about lemurs whatever like leoos, right?
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The first the first four or five Googles of me trying to figure out what lubusoos are in 2003 were like what does the word
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mean, where do they come from and like figuring all the stuff and like going to Wikipedia and reading a bunch of stuff. Now, the first four to five Googles is
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just giving me an AI answer where I just go, "What is a liaboo?" And it has OI overview and then I Google uh why are
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they so popular? And it gives me an AI overview. And then I just read the first three or four. And now I've just speedrun all of the like probably very
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useful understanding to just getting the high stuff and to Google that's a success for them
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because they keep you googling and that's great. Well, that's true. Yeah, that's true in everything that they're making. I mean,
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even with um anti-gravity with the coding stuff, it's like, yeah, you speedrun learning how to code.
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Yeah. You you're you're understanding the very very high level things of like, oh, I need a Google Maps API key. It
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told me that, but it did it for me. So, I don't know how to implement it or how it did it or why it did it or
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what it means to do that again or improve upon it. You just know that you did it, right? Tough.
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Not Not great. Not Not better. Not fantastic. Definitely not better. Um, well, man, you sound old on your birthday.
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I know these kids, new title, old man yells at cloud. I feel like old man yelling at Cloud, but I I do think there is the cloud. Yeah, the cloud. Literally, I just want to throw out without getting
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too too late. Yeah, without getting too late. It's just like, you know, there's all this talk in the
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United States about how about about China's censored internet, you know what I mean? and how crazy it is that you
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can't Google certain things or certain information is just unavailable to you in certain countries, you know, uh and
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uh you know, when we live in the world where there's just an answer machine and there's no transparency as to where it
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gets its answers from, that's the same thing. That's that's that's exactly the same thing. All of a sudden, you could
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be like, "What's Plus?" and Google could be like, "There's no such thing as Plus. We we've never done anything that's
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stupid, you know, and then there'd be no way to fact check that." And uh that's we do ask it for sources like when they
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sort of start to put this they sprinkle the links in now for it's being clear that right now there
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are sources in all of this and it also is the top of a Google search where you can scroll past it and all of the normal
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links yeah also eventually all of these these companies do want what David's describing like like a spot that does
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not take you to any other places I'm just making sure we all right now that is not the situation we're in and
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it's where we're going though that's where we're heading it's the direction we're pointing. It doesn't mean we have to go all the way. It's definitely the direction,
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but it's the direction we're pointing. No, but that's like we've already seen it with Gracipedia. You know, that's literally the entire point of Graedia.
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I don't take Grock seriously in the least. Side note, I found it. You have to click
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the little icons and it shows you all the articles here. A tiny little tiny button you have to
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remember to find. Yeah. No, that button's the thing I don't like about on browser is it's like I wish it just
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brought me to the exact article, but it's usually when you click it, I'm clicking it at the end of a sentence, which probably should be just a sentence
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from an article, and then it shows me like three articles. So now I have to go back and find it in there. Like it I it
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should direct me to the sentence in the article, I feel like. And that would actually make it useful because then in
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one minute it can be true or false and I can confirm and it did actually do that actually. And so does so does AI
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overviews. If you click on No, AI I'm talking about AI over it. Like it has the link and then it shows me three articles by the sentence and
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then I have to go find it. Like it should just show me the article that it brought me to. In Gemini when it shows you sources on
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the side, if you click one of the sources, it automatically brings you to the part and it highlights it too where it took the information from.
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I wonder if we are in different stages of AI over because my AI overviews do that too. Like when I click on the
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little chain, it'll take me to the exact sentence in the article. Yeah, mine just did that as well.
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It's still wrong most of the time, but um yeah, I just Googled Sidmer's golf release date.
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Mhm. And the AI overview is correct. And then I click on it and it says it's pulling from Wikipedia and a fandom.
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Oh, and it is correct. And it's correct. Nice. Yeah, that's good. Wikipedia is correct. So, that was easy for them. That's true.
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Well, I looked up the milliamp hour battery life of a phone that I'm going to ask you about at trivia later and it
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linked to the Wikipedia thing and it just made up a number. It links to Is the Wikipedia right?
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No. No. The Wikipedia number was right, but the number it gave me in AI overview, despite linking and
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highlighting the number Wikipedia, was a different number. Wow. Nice. All right.
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Well, I have something positive to talk about. Really? Um, have you ever wanted to consume no YouTube shorts, Tik Tok, and Instagram
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reels at the exact same time with three different scrolls happening in three different rates? Do I have a phone for you?
00:24:17
You ever wanted to watch Quibby, Tuby, and Phoebe at the same time? Bring back Quibby. Too early. Galaxy Z Trifold. Z Trifold, baby. We finally got an
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announcement. We were waiting for this. They were saying by December. They technically did it December 1st,
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I think. So, to be clear, we got some information. Yeah, we didn't get a price yet. No, but we got uh we got to see the device.
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Oh, we did. Korean price. Okay. And we got to see the device in action. There's a couple YouTube videos out about it now and some specs. And we
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can see how it folds. So, there's the single display and then there's the unfolding the inside for the triple display.
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Explain how it folds to audio listeners. Okay. So, um, picture a picture one of those pamphlets, one of those trifold pamphlets, right? Where you have like a left, a right, and a middle. And just go
00:25:07
ahead and fold the left and the right over each other. So, you have a single column. That single column is a 6 and 12
00:25:13
in screen, single screen setup. And then you open both at the same time, and you have a 10-in tablet on the inside.
00:25:20
So, there is no like two screen version because there's only a single or a try. But it's like one of those pamphlets,
00:25:27
you know, like a big menu. Like a Yeah, a map. Yeah, like a map or I'm thinking of like the souvenir shop and like they have like a zoo. Like a brochure brochure. Thank you. Yeah.
00:25:39
That's what I'm picturing. They should They should have just called it the Samsung Galaxy brochure. Yeah. So try.
00:25:45
So this phone will have a Snapdragon 8 Elite for Galaxy, which is the last gen. It's not the 8 Elite Gen 5, but Snapdragon 8 Elite for Galaxy. It will
00:25:52
be like I said 6 and a half inches on the front 1080p 120 Hz AMOLED. It will be 10 in 16 by 11 120 Hz 2160 by 1584
00:26:02
which feels low resolution a little low a little low but I think that will work handinhand with its 5600
00:26:09
mAh total battery which is not huge. It's a 10-in screen so I think having less pixels will be better for battery life. We're spoiled. Uh triple cameras. have a 200 megapixel
00:26:21
main camera. Seems like a flagship camera. Haven't tested it myself yet, but that's a good sign. Also, a 12
00:26:26
megapixel ultrawide and a 10 megap 3x telephoto, which to which a lot of people replied
00:26:31
to my tweet, how will a 10 megap 3x telephoto be better than punching in on the 200 megapixel uh primary camera? To
00:26:39
which I replied, eh, I don't know. Optics, the optics and the lens of the 3x telephoto could make it feel better
00:26:46
than the the crop on the primary. the photo sites are much larger on a 10 megapixel.
00:26:52
It Yeah. So maybe in lower light it will be better. So we'll see. We'll see. Um ironically cuz usually the telephoto is the worst at low light. Exactly. So uh titanium hinge, aluminum body, IP 48
00:27:04
rating, and all the way unfolded it's all the way down to 3.9 mm all the way. Which is the thinnest Samsung phone they've ever made. Even thinner than the Fold 7. I don't know if you realize how thin 3
00:27:15
mm is. Like when we talk about the thinnest phones that we've seen so far, we're in the range of 5 to 6 mm. And
00:27:22
those are that's like iPhone Air, that's S25 Edge. Those are 5 mm phones. 3.9 mm is crazy thin. I haven't held this yet, but watching the videos, it seems crazy.
00:27:34
And to fit like meaningful compute and battery and storage and all that in this phone is genuinely impressive. Well,
00:27:41
it's funny though because then when it's folded, it's apparently stupid thick. So, like this doesn't even feel like a normal phone. Yeah, exactly. Folding this thing up is going to be its weak point. It's going
00:27:52
to feel like a chunk like a 12, 13 mm thick phone, which you guys probably haven't used a phone that thick in many years, but unfolded is is kind of the point.
00:28:03
Big chunker. Unfolded, it's Yeah, it's it's 4.2. The Fold 7 was 4.2. So, it's it's
00:28:11
slightly thinner than the Fold 7. Yeah. Yeah. Which is crazy. Um the first iPhone was 11.6 millimeters
00:28:17
thick. Yeah. This is thicker than that. Thicker than that phone. It does do 45 watt wired charging, which
00:28:24
is kind of surprising for something that thin. I'm curious about the heat dissipation. Yeah. What kind of heat dissipation?
00:28:30
What kind of heat dissipation? 3 mm thick. You can't have very much. Yeah. Uh 309 g. It's very heavy. The ZFold 7 was 215, so just add another
00:28:40
third to that. Yeah, as you would. Everything kind of steps up in thirds, right? 200 something grams for the dual
00:28:47
screen. The battery capacity did not quite step up in third. True, true, true. Yeah, the price did.
00:28:53
It's true. So, what was the price? So, okay, people are expecting this to cost $2,800.
00:29:00
That's about the conversion rate from from the Korean price. Okay. Which a $3,000 phone,
00:29:08
but think about it. You have a 10-in tablet in your pocket now. Yeah, I know. I could get an iPad and an iPhone,
00:29:15
but then you'd have to carry an iPad that you can't fold up and an iPhone. What if you could a MacBook?
00:29:24
Well, what they need next is they need they need to make some sort of like omega thin keyboard and mouse because
00:29:31
the whole the whole point for me for this is that I can just have a little laptop in my pocket at all times.
00:29:37
Interesting. Like a 10-in laptop. Yeah. Um, you can use obviously a Bluetooth mouse and keyboard with it. And it has
00:29:44
decks. I would like to see your decks, Adam. Yeah. Now Adam's in. I'm all in. Wait, can I have this huge
00:29:51
screen so I can plug it into a bigger screen? No. Can I like fold it so that two of the screens are a screen and the third
00:29:57
screen is the Huawei can do that. That can't do that. Annoying. Uh, but it does have a really interesting form of decks.
00:30:04
So, there's the traditional Dex where you plug it into a monitor and then you can use it as a second display and it's
00:30:10
like it's a 10-in second display so it's pretty big. But it also has a ondevice dex mode where you enable dex mode and it becomes basically like the tablet where everything all apps become windowed.
00:30:22
So you can just like throw apps around instead of it, you know, taking up the full screen. They're all windowed. So it's sort of like what happens when you
00:30:29
attach a pixel to a display and it becomes like the the Android on computer type thing, but it's just on your phone
00:30:35
as a little tablet. Other cool thing, you can make app groups with it now. So you can make it so two to three windows
00:30:42
always open up at the same time in certain um orientations. So if you're always like working on Google Docs on
00:30:49
one and then you've got YouTube on another and you've got another thing on another, you can pin that to your taskbar and when you click it
00:30:55
opens all of them at once in the same positions which is very cool. Adam is ringing ah on the inside.
00:31:02
Yeah. I don't um Yeah, there was So there was a Mr. Who's the Boss video that went out about this? That was like probably the first
00:31:08
video that went out. I think maybe him and SuperSoft put the same video out at the same time. Aaron said that it the inner glass is so
00:31:15
soft that he leaned it against a vase, which I don't know what kind of vase he was looking at, but it's it produced very deep gouges in the screen by
00:31:26
leaning it against a vase. Yeah, I mean it's that like soft screen where like I mean we've seen fingernails and
00:31:32
that kind of stuff produce like dents. So I guess weight of phone plus leaning on a thing for a shot I'm guessing is
00:31:39
but like deep gouges. Yeah, that's I mean like yeah red flag. It's kind of spooky. It kind
00:31:44
of it gives me Galaxy Fold one vibes. I was thinking the same thing like this is a super super limited thing. This is
00:31:50
two YouTubers who got to hand like play with it hands-on in Korea and that was it. And it'll slowly start to show up
00:31:56
later I'm sure. But this is the type of thing where it's so expensive and it's so limited that they probably aren't
00:32:03
going to have the masses really approaching this thing and they can kind of handle the crazy crisis stories
00:32:09
better than maybe the first fold which was everyone getting excited and then a bunch of YouTubers trying it and then a
00:32:14
bunch of people breaking it. Yeah. Do we think it's any different from the fold screen? Like why would the
00:32:20
material have to be different? It is different. I think because of the both folds and folds in I guess the same
00:32:26
direction. I mean it's like still only 180° fold but it doesn't matter. I think it does. I think the key to like when So we saw this with the razor, right? So they had this like little
00:32:37
piece of the chin where when you unfold it, it would dry it a little bit more screen out because when it folds it like
00:32:44
pulls it up and when you unfold it, it stretches it over that crease. But that's why would that make a difference
00:32:50
in what the material is rather than just how much room it has to move. A razor is just it gave itself more room
00:32:56
to do that, right? Well, all these have some level of stretching over the crease to flatten
00:33:01
it out. I'm saying when you have two creases, you have to stretch it twice as much. And so you probably need to to do
00:33:08
accomplish that in the same amount of room, you have to make it softer. Yeah. So it's more total malleable.
00:33:15
Yeah. Not just not just that, but like the when you like when you fold the screen, you're you're applying tension
00:33:22
like because the screen is being stretched out, right? That tension is then dissipated over the entire rest of
00:33:27
the screen. It's not like there's like a hard wall where the screen is clamped somewhere and the rest of the screen is not under tension but right next to the
00:33:33
crease. So when you have two creases, there's now way less room for that tension to dissipate. You're applying
00:33:39
all of that force into a much smaller area. Yeah. Well, I went to music school. I don't know if I believe any of you. It's just I'm picturing because the first fold, the issue that they mostly
00:33:51
dealt with was that uh that layer that they put on top of the soft glass was like not close enough to the edge and people would pull it off. Fold it off. But like that they have to put that on top because that is harder. And when you
00:34:04
have that fold unfold, that hard layer on top is essentially eliminating the crease. Like we've seen some get really close to having no crease now. But I just feel like this one, I mean, if you seen the video, there's a ton of crease
00:34:17
in these and it's inherently not as hard cuz it has to stretch twice instead of once. Uh, yeah, intuitively it makes sense to my brain. I can't really explain it very well, but I guess that's TBD on how
00:34:31
durable this actually is. I'm picking up what you're putting down. Cool. Perfect. Maybe it's cuz you're 32. Maybe that's why. It's also IP48 is kind
00:34:38
of creepy. It's not Yeah, it's not great. It it can it can withstand 1 millimeter or larger
00:34:45
particles. Yeah, the dust part I'm not imp I'm not expecting much. I'm a little worried about that. But the eight is full
00:34:52
submersion. No, like 1 meter or something. Yeah, I can dunk this under water. I mean that's that's more about the seals. They know the dust will break it before it goes into water. So
00:35:03
Exactly. It's funny. I'd be more worried about larger particles because Dude, you don't want to see my pockets.
00:35:08
I mean like folds generally what goes on in there. I wouldn't want to be in there. I feel like folds generally the issue is
00:35:15
not that it's getting inside but that or inside the hinges, it's that it's getting inside when it folds. So now you
00:35:20
fold it once and you have a particle in it and now you fold it again and smash the particle in even more. So now every
00:35:26
piece that's inside your screen gets closed twice. And if it's if it's on the second one,
00:35:34
so it's either getting in between two screens and fold it again or one side folds in and then it's between a screen
00:35:39
and a hard piece, which means it's not getting absorbed by both sides. It's only getting absorbed by the screen
00:35:45
side. For those that don't remember, the Galaxy Fold one, the screens were breaking immediately and they had to
00:35:52
like do a little recall before they actually sold uh the devices and then they put a screen protector on it or
00:35:57
whatever. I I don't know, man. I I feel like they would have learned their lesson by now, so I'm gonna like look at
00:36:04
this with optimism. I tweeted this phone out. It feels sketchy to me. It definitely does. I I ended my tweet
00:36:11
with like, you know what? Shout out to Samsung for being insane enough to try this cuz they don't have to try this. Huawei has done
00:36:17
a trifold. Try it. Yeah. But yeah, they are they are crazy enough. Thanks. One thing I thought was cool was
00:36:28
so in order to fold it, unfold it, the the screen that has the camera on it is actually a little bit wider than the other two screens. So it creates kind of a lip. So as you're holding in your
00:36:40
hand, you can press your thumb down on that lip to then pop the first fold open. And then when that happens through
00:36:46
a magnet, the interior screen kind of opens up a little bit, which gives you then a lip to pull it open.
00:36:51
Is it the front screen that has the lip? No, it's the back screen. Oh, the back the camera. So you can kind of like hold it open and then that part pops up a
00:36:59
little. Um I thought that was a neat way of doing that because if you're just digging your fingernails into it to open it up time
00:37:06
is probably not great. Yeah. So it comes with a case. Um and the case has a little kickstand on it.
00:37:12
Back to the kickstand phones. Thank god we back. Uh that's nice cuz you're going to be able to, you know, use a mouse and
00:37:18
keyboard with it. It also comes with a 45 watt charger. At least where it's on sale right now.
00:37:23
G2. I don't think it has G2. It does have wireless charging, but it's 15 watt, so I don't think it's G2. Um, so it's it's coming out in Korea earlier, but it is launching in the US in Q1 of
00:37:35
2026. Pretty incredible. I'm going to work to try to get my hands on this thing. I'm very curious about it. The
00:37:40
Huawei Mate XT was a fascinating phone, but at no point would I like buy one or recommend one to anyone services on Yeah. But even just like as a hardware concept, it was like kind of insane.
00:37:52
Yeah. Uh, this is Samsung. It's going to like really launch and really go on sale.
00:37:58
Real people are going to be able to buy it. Uh, so I'm just curious to see how this goes. I'm going to try and see what what
00:38:04
kind of usability it actually kind of wields for people. It is ironic that the Huawei Mate XT actually folded like a Z and this is
00:38:11
called the Z trifold, but this folds like a U. Like a Yeah, like a G when it's fully folded.
00:38:18
Yeah, it's true. Like a G. Yeah. Yeah. like a G six seven. Jesus, don't do this. You're joking. We have to go to
00:38:30
guys. We the life of a meme. Every year we inch closer and closer to hell to crumple phone. Hey, not wrong. Um, can I share uh something someone
00:38:42
sent on Discord about the trifold? That was funny. Um, this guy Elliot on our Discord said,
00:38:47
"Samsung trifold and boxes are out. I showed my grandma a video and she said, "I'm getting better at spotting AI. That
00:38:53
one was pretty obvious." To which I say, "That's kudos, Grandma. I'm glad you're looking for I'd rather you air on that side." Yes. Honestly, I would say that the AI is probably more
00:39:05
prominent for more people than foldable phones are. Oh, yeah. So, it would make sense that she had
00:39:10
just never seen a foldable phone. I'd rather her live not knowing there's folding phones and be very wary of AI.
00:39:16
Although, remember that granny in the in the airport that I saw with the the foldable phone? Do you think this granny knows more
00:39:22
about the Apple Vision Pro or the Steam Deck? I can ask. I'll ask God. He'll probably
00:39:29
listen to this episode. Probably neither, man. There's probably a Vision Pro in the store she bought the phone in. Did she go in, though, or did she just have her
00:39:36
daughter her daughter buy it for her? I think people go to stores in the US. A granny, though. Yeah, dude. Granny's love dinosaurs.
00:39:43
Yeah, dinosaurs. Stores. The No, the the dinosaur experience that comes with the only
00:39:49
thing the Vision Pro does. Oh, wow. Most exciting product of the year, huh? That's why I said it was the Steam Deck.
00:39:55
And still more than the Steam Deck. I'm standing on it. Oh, yeah. That was obvious. Anyone who disagreed with us is a boron.
00:40:02
Chad GPT was the correct answer. It was the most boring answer. We were thinking of physical gadgets. All right. Well, we got a lot more to
00:40:09
talk about soon. We were going to put it in this section, but I feel like we should move it to the next section. So, u maybe let's throw it to trivia. And
00:40:14
then we got a ton of Android features to talk about after that. Let's do it. So, please don't leave.
00:40:20
Retention, guys. 3600. How did you know? That's just a shot in the dark. No, I'm just kidding. Seconds in a day. Um, guys,
00:40:37
what's that from? The office. It's from Isent. It's either rent or is it or is it in the Heights? I can't remember. No, it's okay. In the Heights. Uh, a few weeks ago, I asked if you
00:40:50
wanted to do a question about socks or batteries, and you guys went with socks. And today, I'm going to finally get
00:40:56
around to asking my dope ass battery question. I was hoping for socks, too. What was that sock question?
00:41:01
It was about which sock is the cheapest or the most expensive. Oh, yeah. And it wasn't the iPhone sock. Or was it? I
00:41:07
don't remember. Either way, guys, the new OnePlus 15, a uh a a a fan favorite around the office. I guess that doesn't make it a fan favorite. A favorite, a regular favorite. Just regular old favorite around Marquez's favorite.
00:41:19
Marquez's favorite. It has crazy battery life. Everyone knows this. Um but you know what does not have crazy battery life? Oh, this is iPhone 12 mini.
00:41:31
My iPhone 12 mini. Yeah. How many times larger in milliamp hours is the OnePlus 15's battery than
00:41:39
my iPhone 12? Are we going decimals battery? Yes. And we're going to do delta. Okay. How many times? So, you are in you are encouraged to get
00:41:50
as specific with decimal points as possible because it will likely and I'm going to I'm going to add something here. No calculators. Well, yeah. We're doing long division
00:42:02
today, boys. In your head. You can do long division on the whiteboard. Yeah. I have no idea how to divide these numbers.
00:42:08
Make the house. Make the house. Make the house, bro. There's a house. House. Are you doing square roots over here? You guys rich or something?
00:42:15
No. Long. You guys need to go back to second grade. What? Were you born in 1948?
00:42:21
It's been 20 years since I manually divided numbers. You know what? Honestly. Honestly, real quick,
00:42:26
let's do a mini mini rapid fire trivia round. Okay. Which of the following is the answer to a division problem?
00:42:34
The dividend, the divisor, or the quotient? The quotient. I knew that. Yeah, I knew that.
00:42:40
Dividend. I didn't understand. Diviser. Dividend to divisor. Numerator, denominator. Oh, he's cooking. He's cooking.
00:42:46
The quotient is the answer. Wait. Okay. We had a question a couple weeks ago and I was like Marquez would know what the difference is. And now you're
00:42:53
here. Okay. What is the difference between an ocean and a sea? Didn't we talk about this podcast C was that was while he was
00:43:00
gone? Yeah, he was gone that week. I see. I don't I was like Marquez would know the answer because you know differences between I
00:43:07
don't know if there's a formal difference. There is I know that a lake is an enclosed body of water and that an ocean is not
00:43:13
enclosed uh but a sea is that different from an ocean? I actually don't know. It is. All right. Well, we'll think about that and we'll either learn something new or we'll figure out what the answers are. Answer be at the end
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That's shopify.com/wwayform. Here, your first this new year with Shopify on your side. All right, welcome back. We got a bunch of new Android drops uh kind of out of
00:46:38
nowhere. They are trying to make Android drops much more frequent so that there's big platform like instead of big
00:46:44
platform releases where it's like Android 16, Android 17, there's just big new feature drops that come out through
00:46:49
Android. Love it. And kind of out of nowhere, I believe it's yesterday as of time of recording, maybe 2 days ago, we
00:46:55
got a lot of new features. Um, so we're just going to run through a lot of them. Some of them are Android wide and some
00:47:01
of them are pixel drops. So, it's kind of those like, oh, this is on Pixel only. Maybe for now, maybe forever, but
00:47:07
probably just for now. Kind of like AirDrop. Kind of like AirDrop until iPhone only for only 15 years.
00:47:14
Yeah. So, let's just go through this. Circle to search scam detection. Upgrade to Circle to Search. Dope. Now, you can circle a scam or what you think might be a scam, which Adam's mom
00:47:26
apparently needs. And this is so useful. It'll bring up a little thing that'll that guides you
00:47:32
through why it may or may not be a scam. It it references it against all known scams
00:47:37
and then it'll tell you, oh yeah, this is a common scam that does this, blah, blah, blah. You know, so this is great if it works.
00:47:43
Yes. Cuz imagine you circle to search an actual scam, but it's so new that it's not referenced yet. It tells you it's not a scam. My other concern is that the people that will make the most benefit
00:47:55
of this is pe the people that are not good at knowing what a scam is on their phone. And that demographic probably
00:48:02
also doesn't know how to use circle to search. But they probably have a nephew that can be like, "Hey, real quick, just circle
00:48:09
to search by doing this one two step." And it'll tell you. I will say that I just did circle to search on the message
00:48:14
that my mom sent me, the screenshot of the obvious scam, and it said, "If you were not expecting this message or do
00:48:20
not have a paid cloud subscription, it is likely a scam." So, it does do it. It's also like people search scams all
00:48:26
the time. I got a letter in the mail the other day that looked super official to where like it had three perforations
00:48:32
where you tear it kind of like like that usually means like check or it says open immediately on the front.
00:48:39
The the funny thing was that initially got me is uh there was clearly a placeholder text in one part that it
00:48:45
didn't change because I think it's was supposed to know who my lender was and it just said like lender in bold when it
00:48:52
just didn't replace it. But anyways, I search the exact thing and just in Google's a million search results of like letter same exact amount same exact
00:49:00
font. So like people search these so it has the database to be able to find a lot of you can't circle search a letter
00:49:06
but I'm sure plenty of that happens Gemini live I think it's huge if it works Facebook
00:49:13
are about to be real sad that all their scam things on Facebook aren't going to sell allegedly allegedly.
00:49:18
Allegedly allegedly but yeah know like I what was it like 10 to 30 somewhere between 10 and 30% of their business
00:49:24
allegedly might go down the tube yeah allegedly. Yeah, cuz that many people are going to use circle search. I
00:49:31
don't know about that. They watch them make it so circles to search can't work inside of Facebook. Oh my god. Yes. I want to these are
00:49:38
first of all, these are the the Androidwide features for the phones that have these capabilities. Um Emoji
00:49:43
Kitchen is getting new expanded sticker combinations. Not useful. Wow. But fun. They're different people. I love Emoji Kitchen. It is fantastic. You can make monkeys hug each other on Emoji Kitchen.
00:49:56
That's the judge they used to but I'm saying not useful. All right. Call reason. This is
00:50:02
interesting. You can now mark a call as urgent so that when the other person is getting the phone call it will say it's
00:50:09
urgent on the call. So that is useful because sometimes people call me while I'm busy and I'm like I'm not going to answer right now. But if it did say urgent I would pick up and be like
00:50:20
what's wrong? I can't wait to call Ellis at 3:00 in the morning with an urgent tag. And he goes what? and it'll be like you know
00:50:26
nothing about C's. Very interesting. So the caller, just to be clear, the caller marks their
00:50:33
own call as urgent. Yeah. So that the receiver sees an urgent tag. Yeah. It'll have it put a little tag on
00:50:38
it. This is urgent. I think it has to be Android to Android. But sounds like then you can circle to search the call screen and
00:50:45
can is is urgent the only tag? Yes. I would so much rather have one that says not urgent. So when I call my mom and she doesn't pick up when she sees
00:50:56
that later. Parents have to assume the worst about every single phone call. So that can
00:51:01
just be like, "Yeah, just wanted to lane just wanted to say hi." Like you don't have to stop everything you're doing to call me back.
00:51:08
Well, I saw something online that was like I mean if you're calling me instead of texting me, it's probably urgent.
00:51:14
So there is that. Um I they did call it call reason and not like urgent call. So, I'm wondering
00:51:21
if they're planning on potentially adding more reasons later, like, "Did you pick up the groceries?" I don't
00:51:26
know. At this point, just send a text. I guess it's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. I thought this was going to be just cuz this happened to me recently is I got a
00:51:33
phone call from a number I didn't know, but rather than say probably spam, it just said potentially medical because it
00:51:40
was a a new doctor I'd went to calling me back that I didn't have their name. And I was like, whoa, wait, that's
00:51:45
actually really useful. I never pick up calls that I don't know the number to. And since it didn't populate, I was
00:51:51
like, "Oh, this is probably who I think it is." And it was, right? Uh there's a new safety check feature in Google Messages. So, if
00:51:58
you've ever been added to a group chat in Google, which you can now get added to in like Google Messages where it's
00:52:03
just like usually it's like a Bitcoin group chat with like a thousand people in it. This happens in WhatsApp all the
00:52:09
time. Um this is why WhatsApp is not very good. Has never happened to me, but okay.
00:52:14
Well, Telegram though, I never get Telegram. Every other Tuesday, do you pay the I pay for it anyway. Okay. Uh, so now if you get added to one of
00:52:25
these spam group chats, it will identify that and it will immediately have a little popup that's like, do you want to
00:52:31
leave and report this immediately? So, it just assumes that it can sort of identify when things are kind of spam spam group chats, which is nice. Chrome on Android is now getting
00:52:42
pinned tabs. So, if you're a big Chrome on Android person, you can now constantly have
00:52:48
certain tabs that are always at the top of your tab groups. That's actually nice. I like that. There are now expressive captions across
00:52:54
videos. So, when you're like watching captions on like YouTube or something, it will be like joyfully and then it'll
00:53:00
put the caption, which is interesting. and it they're like colored and it's trying to like help you understand the
00:53:06
energy that's coming from from the the speaker. Sarcasm in videos is going to get way
00:53:12
funnier because it's so useful sarcastically or just like in not understanding it. It's going to be like joyfully but like
00:53:19
Marquez is saying something super sarcastic about like a new feature on an iPhone and
00:53:24
yeah, so that's that's coming to YouTube across all devices like immediately which is cool. uh the guided frame
00:53:30
feature which is sort of the people with um disabilities who cannot really like have trouble using their phone camera and it speaks out to them and says like where to move it so that they can center
00:53:42
on the thing. That's getting a lot better. Um you can now tell Gemini to make uh changes while
00:53:48
you are voice typing. So you can type out a message and if you decide you wanted to change something
00:53:54
you say actually change the part that says this to this and it'll do that. Wow. I would never that's the type of
00:53:59
thing that I would like see my parents do and I would be like stop you can't that doesn't work it doesn't and then just starts typing it starts typing what
00:54:05
they were saying but the fact that it'll actually do that now would have be kind of awesome
00:54:11
stop like so you write the whole you speak the whole message out you have to then stop and then say
00:54:17
change this part um or not completely sure I think you can do it I think you can do it fluidly you don't
00:54:24
identify when you're saying certain things like Hey Marquez, I'm gonna be a little late to work. Uh, wait, erase that part. I'm gonna be really late to
00:54:31
work. Like, it will do that mids sentence and not just type the whole thing. I thought it already did that.
00:54:37
Maybe I don't I don't use I'm textual specifically cuz the text speech is really good. The text to speech is really good, but I
00:54:43
haven't had I haven't been able to go back and edit parts of what I already typed. I think it's specific like key phrases
00:54:50
that will trigger it like that. Like what you said, Andrew, it would actually do that. Wait, actually erase like it'll
00:54:56
go back and erase. That's pretty awesome. So that's pretty cool. There's now better voice dictation that lets you edit certain words or shorten messages
00:55:03
automatically. Um and then there are also better parental controls that make it easier to be a parent, I suppose.
00:55:09
Boo. Lame. 32. Um okay, we're adults. Wait, so all of those are coming to all Android devices? Uh yeah, that's like the platformwide. And then there's Android 16 QPR to pixel drop.
00:55:30
There's too many acronyms. Um okay, actually useful notification summaries. So now allegedly, we'll see about that. Yeah, right. I'll be the chick. So this is like a more thoughtful
00:55:42
version of Apple's notification summaries. If you either have a very long message or you have a notification
00:55:48
from a group chat, it will summarize it. But then you can click the little dropown menu and it'll just show you the
00:55:54
whole thing. It'll also show you like the messages from the group chat in the little dropown thing or it'll show you
00:55:59
the whole message. But overall it'll just summarize it if it's a super long message or if it's a group chat.
00:56:04
So it doesn't do like all notifications. It's just like per app. It's like group messages. Yeah, it's like in messages. This is
00:56:11
going to hurt so much more when you get broken up with over a text message and it's a really long thoughtful thing and
00:56:17
then Google's just like chained to you. Well, there's that famous like cuz you know how iMessage will do the like
00:56:24
animations when you say certain words. There's like this famous screenshot where someone says, "Congrats, you threw
00:56:29
away our entire relationship for for a guy." And it's got streamers. Yeah. On Samsung. It's like the wacky waving like inflatable arm guy.
00:56:42
talk. Um, okay. There's notification organizer. So now your notifications get separated into categories, which is so
00:56:49
useful. So now it'll be like news. It'll be like it'll be like offers, that kind
00:56:55
of stuff. So you just I love that. I think that's amazing. Where is this? In your notification shade.
00:57:01
So they're just turning into like Gmail kind of the old inbox used to do. Yeah. Sort of like those like pre-made. You can kind
00:57:08
of think about it in a similar way. Okay. Your notifications are just your inbox for your whole phone. Yeah. Basically.
00:57:13
Yeah. Yeah. Which is different types of stuff. Um and it'll silence lower priority ones so that you don't have to deal with like
00:57:19
random little offers and stuff like that which is nice. They now have custom icon shapes so you don't have to just be
00:57:27
circles anymore. You can be like little weird X thing. You can be like squirles. Yeah. Just different. There's like a
00:57:33
triangle one, like a one that's like flat on the bottom, but then like a half circle on the top. Very strange. They're
00:57:38
kind of just, you know, they're they're leaning into the material. U kind of a lot of other launchers have this, too. This is just like one more customization
00:57:44
for your home screen. Yeah. Yeah. Uh expanded themed icons. So, before it was like you would you would theme all the icons, but there would be of course like one or two apps that didn't support it and it looked horrible. Now, they
00:57:57
truly will force it on every single app. So, it will work for every single app. Are you Are we sure? The amount of times I've heard this will for sure work. It does work. But I will say it doesn't
00:58:09
work in the drawer. The drawer is still just a regular. Yeah. Which is I'm a little I'm more okay with that.
00:58:14
But yeah, there I'm there will be one icon that does not work some. Well, Duolingo famously changes its icon
00:58:22
all the time. And it does have like it did work on Dolingo. So, if it worked on Dolingo, I would imagine it works on
00:58:27
everything else. Yeah. Okay, we did it. We're here. There's now an option to force dark mode
00:58:33
on every app as well. So apps that don't have a dark mode, it'll basically just like invert the white colors to black.
00:58:39
But it does it in a like smart dynamic way. You know what happened to me recently? I saw a screenshot on Twitter
00:58:45
of Spotify light mode and I went, "Wait a minute. I've never seen Spotify light mode." And
00:58:53
I actually went into Spotify and started digging through settings. I was like, "Is there actually a light mode in settings?" I found that there is not. Somebody just
00:59:00
inverted Spotify. Oh. And it kind of looks decent. I'm sure Almartart looks weird, but um yeah,
00:59:06
there is no light modes for Spotify. Interesting. Yeah, I'm interested in this one because without that, I already
00:59:12
have this issue where sometimes on my Pixel, it decides that uh so like the notification bar on the top that has my time and battery percentage, it won't invert that correctly with the mode of
00:59:23
the app that I have open. So, let's say I have YouTube open and it's got a white
00:59:29
background. It won't change the time and battery to now invert to black. So now it's just fading into We I showed you
00:59:36
this the other day or sometimes Yeah. like it's supposed to be black text and I have a dark mode thing and I just lose
00:59:42
my battery percentage and because it disappears. Yeah. And I'll close the app and open it back up and that'll fix it. But like I
00:59:48
have very little faith in this if it's already screwing up that normally. Yeah. Yeah. This is kind of just a lot
00:59:54
of features that they announced a long time ago, but they are like I swear it works now. On Godfree.
01:00:00
No cap. No cap. Um, you have expanded split screen options to like have multiple apps open. And now you can you
01:00:06
can like drag one to like show the amount that you want the app to be open. There's even a 9010 split. So you can
01:00:14
have an app open 10% and then have the other app open 90%. It's like a sliver of the top of the
01:00:20
app. Yeah. You got your little app ticker. 90% waveform podcast, 10% homework notes. You should really be studying. Wow. Exactly. So that's that that feels like they are putting it in it to prepare for
01:00:32
more foldable stuff to be honest just to be able to be more more malleable in that way. One of the biggest changes which Adam um
01:00:38
actually posted about on threads you can now not on threads he post about this in the slack you can now adjust the
01:00:45
intensity which HDR content displays there's a slider now so it'll show you like the brightness that the HDR content comes through. I'm dragging it all the way up Marquez. I'm dragging it all the way.
01:00:57
That's what it was. I want it. I want to be scrolling with low brightness and I want to see your your picture on
01:01:04
Instagram and just boom. Marquez wants that flashbang in his bed. I want that impactful media.
01:01:10
I just want to turn it all off. Turn it all the way up. I hate HDR. And then I wrote think below
01:01:17
that. Um, okay. Uh, there is a new remove toggle when you're removing apps from your home screen. So now you don't have to like click and drag to the little like X in the top or bottom or
01:01:27
whatever. Um when you like when you press on it, there's just a little remove like option.
01:01:34
Lots of other launchers have that already also. Yeah, it's faster. Yeah. Wait, no. Just dragging it to this trash is faster.
01:01:39
I don't think so cuz you have to you have to like long press it and then drag it. That's always been faster for me cuz there's always like five little there's
01:01:45
like uninstall uh view info uh and then the short whatever shortcuts there are. So, if it's a calendar event, it'll be
01:01:51
like if it's if you long press on the calendar icon, it'll show new event, view calendar, uninstall, close, remove,
01:01:58
and I have to find, remove every single time. So, I just found that just highlighting and just dragging them to the trash is faster.
01:02:04
Adam, do you have this yet? Yeah, it's awesome. It's just like um not smart launcher. Is there a chance you could accidentally press remove? Can you show? Yeah, it's You have to find it every
01:02:16
icon and it just pops up like one of the little options there. is just remove. So that has a bunch of other Yeah. a
01:02:23
bunch of other That's one of those things where I'm going to love that, but when my mom tells me like Facebook is off my phone,
01:02:29
it's like you probably accidentally long pressed and hit remove. Oh my god. I have to find remove.
01:02:34
It's the top. It's the first I know it's in a different place every time. Like in Instagram it was it's the
01:02:40
top this time. Change. There is a new quick adding of app shortcuts in that same menu.
01:02:46
This is awesome. Yeah. So, Adam, you want to explain that since you have it on your phone? Yes, I have this already. And this is
01:02:52
basically the same uh little gesture if you just like long press something. Certain apps have like quick functions
01:02:58
you can do like uh for example, Dualingo, if I long press, we'll just say, do you want to open Dolingo or do you want to like jump
01:03:04
straight into a lesson? So, instead of always clicking Dolingo, always clicking to my most recent lesson, I can do one
01:03:10
of these app shortcuts and just hit do a lesson and it pops up as like a little shortcut on my like home screen. Oh,
01:03:16
that's So, and I can remove the actual Dolingo app and just have that there. So, I can just go straight into a lesson every
01:03:21
time. That's nice. There's a bunch of other apps that like also have similar things like uh
01:03:26
YouTube. You can jump straight into shorts if you want. For some reason, you could jump into subscriptions.
01:03:32
Wow. Of course, they would add that. There's a reason I chose YouTube. But yeah, there's like a not all apps have this. I think it needs to be like implemented by the developer obviously, but like the WNBA app, I just have it
01:03:44
straight up to give me the schedule. Just like the games, show me the next games. That's it. I don't need to go through looking through a Yeah, it's
01:03:51
pretty cool. That's nice. If Instagram has a shortcut to go straight to reals, we just brought back
01:03:56
IGTV. It's essentially what it was. Yeah, it was a separate app just real. We did. Um, okay. There's a new widgets view. So, if you we remember, Android only
01:04:08
decided to care about widgets again after Apple started doing widgets stuff, but better because they hadn't updated
01:04:13
them since like 2012. Now, there's a very rich widget showcase that has two little options. There is a featured tab and there is a I wrote it down here. Uh,
01:04:25
where is it? Yeah, featured tab. Oh, sorry. There's a featured tab and there is a browse tab. The featured tab will
01:04:31
show like the richest, most fun, most interesting widgets that it assumes you want to use. And then the browse will
01:04:37
just like kind of showcase all the widgets. What's nice about it is that it's rich so it shows them sort of moving and doing the things that they do
01:04:44
instead of the old version of adding widgets where it was just like you to select from a number and you didn't
01:04:49
really know what they looked like and all this stuff. And yeah, it's much better now. Um, Quick Share now allows
01:04:56
you to do the tap thing that you can do on iPhones where you tap your phones together. So, if you have Quick Share
01:05:01
on, you can tap to connect to another work with an iPhone. No. Just Do you think it does like a cool animation? No. Really? It doesn't. I saw someone demo it. It doesn't do an animation.
01:05:12
How have I never realized that like the tap to share things kind of like two phones dabbing each other up or like
01:05:19
send me your contact info? Yeah, works to me. A lot of these features, is this the
01:05:25
first time we've seen Google do Android stuff that iOS had already implemented and not the other way around? No, no, it's it's this has happened many times. They stole from each other. Okay. I thought it was always Apple just
01:05:38
copying. It was at the beginning. Okay. And then they would innovate and then Android was like this is almost Google copying other
01:05:46
launchers. Like they're making pixel launcher just like straight up just like oh you wanted this here it
01:05:52
is now if I could just get rid of the at a glance widget that'd be great. Oh my god. Yeah. How is that not I would
01:05:58
return all of these just to remove at a glance on my home screen. Oh my gosh. It's insane. What is at a glance? It's this thing. Oh god. I don't know what it is.
01:06:09
But Ellis, this is why it's insane. It takes up a part of your home screen and can be a bunch of small little
01:06:15
notifications or the weather or time. You can turn it off, but it keeps it there. Just it doesn't give you the notifications. You can never take it off of your home screen.
01:06:26
It's permanent real estate. And then it just goes like the date and time, which I already have
01:06:33
in the corner. And I have my clock widget that I like. Clock widget is almost unnecessary with that, but I
01:06:39
still prefer a bigger clock. But that means I also have to have at a glance. If there if there's
01:06:46
something I can't wait to be on killed by google.com, it's at a glance widget. Okay. There are expanded biometrics options. So you can select apps that you want to force to use like face detection
01:07:00
for phones that support, you know, face their version of Face ID, which is, you know, not usually not IR,
01:07:06
but you can force it to have additional security through face unlock, which is helpful.
01:07:12
Uh, and then little small thing, there's now a time zone changed notification that you can enable. So if you live in the European Union, you love trains, and you're not sure
01:07:25
as you know, as you do, and you're not sure if your phone has updated the time zone yet, which is important for when you're
01:07:31
setting calendar appointments and you're doing all that kind of stuff, you can now make it so your phone will give you
01:07:36
a notification saying the the time zone changed to this time zone. That's sick. Yeah, very useful.
01:07:42
I immediately thought of a short where you go on the the line of a time zone difference and you jump back and forth between it and see how many notifications you That's another one of those things that's like oceans and
01:07:53
seas. Like when am I actually in the other time zone? Like I know that there's a time zone line on a map,
01:07:58
but is it really like a twoft between time zones? There's no way like I can step two feet over.
01:08:04
Time isn't real, Marquez. I mean, I know that to Arizona. We know. I think I'm developing this too much as
01:08:10
like that one spot in Arizona where you can jump between like four states, which that part is real, which is super
01:08:16
cool. I just wonder like real whenever I whenever I land at an airport in a new time zone and I take my phone off airplane mode, it takes like 10 seconds and it like goes, "Oh, you're in a new time zone." And it just changes the
01:08:28
clock. Nothing happens. So, it's like cool that it'll tell me I'm in a new time zone. But I do wonder where exactly
01:08:34
does that switch over. Yeah, there's probably there's got to be a little I want to know. I kind of want
01:08:40
to What do you mean? It's just the state lines. Yeah, but is it in the US it's the state lines? So if I
01:08:45
cuz when I'm driving on a road and I see the welcome to New York sign, that's not the exact state line of00.
01:08:53
If there's no people in a place, it doesn't matter what time. Actually, multiple people. Yeah, multiple states have and it's not the
01:08:59
state line, but there's a there's a time zone line, let's say in Ohio, right? Michigan. Michigan's the farthest one in. So, if I live on one side of the
01:09:11
line and I drive my car to the next town over, on the other side of the line, my phone will switch. Yeah. At what moment is my phone triggered to switch? Is it when my GPS coordinates
01:09:23
are exactly 1 meter past an exact line which is somewhere? I would imagine so. Yeah.
01:09:28
And then can I just ping back and forth over that line by like 2 yards and switch my time zone back and forth? This
01:09:34
is useless. I think it will. Yeah. I would imagine so. Yeah. I just want to check. I don't think it's I don't think
01:09:40
it's stateines. Are there confusing there states in multiple time zones? According to this map and this is not an
01:09:47
AI overview. Yeah. Um but it's funny cuz I didn't think it then you said that. I was like that
01:09:53
would make the most sense like because it's weird to be in the same state on multiple lines. Time zones in general don't make sense.
01:09:59
Tom Scott has a great video about this from like a decade ago. I have to tell me and I agree. I just
01:10:05
would like to this is like this is something I would do for a YouTube short is just go to the line with my phone and
01:10:11
just walk across the line and see what happens. Well, what's confusing though also else is it looks like sometimes it uses a
01:10:16
state line and sometimes it doesn't. That's wrong. It seems like Texas Kansas brutal for more than that reason.
01:10:30
I'm not even talk about time zones. I I shouldn't I was right. Michigan is the far. I mean, unless you count that
01:10:35
little sliver of Indiana. There's a little sliver of Indiana. Yeah. But Wow. That's why uh Michigan is so fun in the
01:10:42
summer because it's so far west that the sun doesn't set until like 9 or 10 p.m.
01:10:48
That's nice. That's awesome. It's so fun. Wow. Isn't there a city in Michigan about time zones? Yelled at a couple months ago. Anyway,
01:10:55
Detroit. What's really funny is I talk all this smack about Detroit, which then gets cut from the podcast. I really hope. My
01:11:02
Safari uh my my Safari like when I open Safari the default background is Cade Cunningham. So play off Cade. All right. That was a basketball reference. Kades really good right now. Yeah. Chris Paul, too.
01:11:14
Too too soon. That's going to age really poorly if something crazy comes out in the next
01:11:20
two anyway. Are they like Okay. Anyway, sorry. Time zone change. Time zone change on Android. Biggest feature. Um, that's about it for that.
01:11:33
So, so if you got a Pixel or you're on Android, exciting times. It's kind of I'm kind of jealous. I've been on iOS for a little bit now and I'm pretty jealous that they just get like random
01:11:43
feature drops. I will say it has been very nice being on Android this time around. Like every year I jump back and forth and I stand
01:11:50
by it that iOS I think has better apps, but Android as an operating system is so
01:11:56
fun, dude. It's so much more fun. Liquid liquid ass is so bad. It's so bad. And like and material 3 expressive horrible name is great.
01:12:08
Or like material P expressive. I got it was on brand. Yeah, that's incredible. Excuse me. Material Lemonchello. Right. Right. Lemonchello.
01:12:20
Do you want to talk about YouTube recaps? Why don't we make after the next ad break all our recap news?
01:12:25
All the recap stuff cuz it's all recap news. All right, just to wrap it up, uh related to
01:12:32
last week, last week we talked about how DJI or maybe it was two weeks ago. I don't know. It was either last week or
01:12:37
the week before. I don't know what time zone I was in. Um so we talked about how DJI might get banned from the United
01:12:43
States before the end of the year because of this they have to do a security clearance thing that they're probably not going to do because they're
01:12:49
lazy. And uh if that happens, that would be weird because the Osmo Pocket 4, which if for those that don't know, the Osmo Pocket is probably DJI's most popular product for creators. Uh it's
01:13:01
this little tiny thing that's basically a smartphone sensor, but I don't know why people buy it, but they like it. Um
01:13:07
it's pretty good. It's good. It's popular. The Pocket 4 just passed the FCC, which is the
01:13:14
Federal Communications Commission in the United States. It was just certified by the FCC, which means it is its launch is
01:13:20
usually quite imminent after things pass the FCC, like within a month or two, but
01:13:26
they're going to be banned within 3 weeks. So, wow. The options here are like they pass the
01:13:31
FCC, but they just never sell it in the US, or it passes the FCC and it's sold for two weeks.
01:13:38
If it passes the FCC, would they revert it? Because once it's banned, everything everything they make, period, is banned.
01:13:44
They can't import any devices into the United States after unless they did the Nintendo Switch 2 thing where they just
01:13:51
fly as many as possible. I was picturing a timeline where they're like, "This just got approved. Everyone
01:13:56
scramble, ship as many to the US as possible and just storm somewhere so that when they get banned, we could at least profit from selling the ones that
01:14:03
we made over the line before the door closed." It is possible. That's crazy. Yeah, it's crazy. So, it's kind of like
01:14:08
a will they won't they kind of thing. Or we'll just go to buy one from Best Buy in Canada and Oh, true. Yeah, I guess we could do that. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, okay. We're going to do trivia
01:14:21
and then we're going to recap our years through various data tracking algorithms
01:14:27
and we're going to like it. But first, I have to correct myself. One, Andrew, thank you for pointing out
01:14:33
that I do not know how time zones work. Totally. I realize I know way less about
01:14:38
time stamps than I do. Time.gov is a really cool website I found in this. The second correction is earlier I said in between 10 and 30% of
01:14:46
Meta's uh profits come from scams. Allegedly uh I was wrong about that. The Reuters article claims that Meta internal documents say that 10% of their profits come from
01:14:59
scams. Adam, why does Arizona think they're so much better than everybody else? They're right. Arizona
01:15:06
standard time. Come on, y'all. Come on, guys. But also, we kind of are jealous a little bit. I'm pretty jealous. Very jealous. They just never have to deal with this
01:15:13
Basically, daylight savings. Question number two. So, we just spent most of that segment talking about all the new
01:15:19
Android features uh in the QPR2 release, right? Yeah. What does that stand for? I have an idea, but I'm not sure. I forgot. I did have I did know this
01:15:31
like a couple months ago, and I just don't remember anymore at all. It's totally escaped me. Which means I'm going to guess and then
01:15:37
r/android is going to declare me an idiot when Well, that's just that's already happened. That's unavoidable. I just was forecasting a little bit. Fun fact, the people who make QPR2 are
01:15:49
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All right. This week, YouTube proved that they do at least hear what we are saying to them because they announced a feature that I and others, Hank Green
01:19:26
notably, have been pitching on Twitter for years since they killed YouTube Rewind, which is we want wrapped.
01:19:33
I still want them to call it rewind, right? We want I I said they should have called it rewind and that's totally fine. I get it. they want to abandon the name. But
01:19:39
the idea would be I just want to know like all the stats and numbers and insights and analytics from the videos
01:19:44
that I watched on YouTube this year. I watch a lot of YouTube and contra kind of similarly to Spotify wrapped. I feel like it's kind of like a window into who you are. It's kind of like an interesting insight into your year.
01:19:56
So YouTube did finally do that this year and it's rolling out this week. Almost all of us have it. Andrew still hasn't gotten it. It's supposed to be like this week globally. So fun. But Google
01:20:08
arguably the most Google faithful here with the Google phone doesn't yet. But it's called YouTube recaps. And if
01:20:14
you do have it, you can open it up. It's in your account page and it can walk you through. It was It's kind of like a
01:20:20
firstg product. It's not the most insightful thing in the world, but it shows you like the channels you watch the most and like the genres you watch
01:20:26
the most. And it's kind of interesting and I feel like I had some things that I learned and some things that were like clearly wrong in there. Yeah. But uh it
01:20:33
was cool. It did. I think my most interesting stat is I watched allegedly 1,880 channels this year.
01:20:40
Oh my god. I watched 538. You watched three times as much. Do you scroll shorts on there? Uh on the YouTube app. Does that count? Yeah, that would count. That has to count.
01:20:51
I could see that flying. Interesting. Yeah, I guess that would instantly bump up the number of channels
01:20:56
you watch. It doesn't show any shorts channels when I look at the channels, though. It also didn't What do you mean? Yeah.
01:21:03
I mean like these two have shorts on them. So like I mean they have shorts on them but they're not main
01:21:08
show up in the short. This could just be long form. It could be. I'm not sure that it includes
01:21:14
shorts. And it doesn't say there's no like numbers to any of this. It's just kind of telling me like here's what you watched, but I feel like this could just
01:21:20
be long form. Well, my top channel is the Waveform Podcast. Hell yeah. I bet some people watching
01:21:25
this their top channel is Waveform Podcast. Uh so shout out to you guys. Maybe send us the screenshots on Twitter. They
01:21:30
haven't. appreciate audition. I would argue most people watching this probably has it as their top channel
01:21:36
because if you watch it on YouTube, the hours you are putting in it's just default way more than a lot of
01:21:42
other things. It doesn't say how it's measuring it. Is it by hours? Is it by total views? Is it by percentage of catalog watched? Cuz I
01:21:48
saw a couple channels in here that like I haven't watched that many videos of them. But I'm in the top 3% of waveform
01:21:54
viewers. That's pretty definitive. You watch a lot of it and most more than most people
01:22:00
and I make a lot of it. How many channels did you say you watch? Mine said 1,880 channels.
01:22:05
Okay. I I got 1,77. Hell yeah. Do you watch shorts on YouTube? No. Okay. So, yeah, it feels like it could just be long form. And then it shows like a screenshot of like a bunch of channels and it seems like it's
01:22:16
So, while I'm playing Dota, you're watching YouTube. Yeah. What I sleep is that Marquez, you
01:22:22
were not on the list of my tech channels that I watched. Oh, wow. You were you were categorized on my recap as a business insights
01:22:29
channel. Really? That's really interesting. Yeah. The number one business insights reviewer in the world. Business.
01:22:34
I mean, I'll take it. I saw someone say that Waveform Clips was categorized under gaming. Yeah, I saw that.
01:22:40
We know a lot about gaming. We've never had the algorithm. We are the Nintendo Switch 2 podcast.
01:22:46
That's honestly maybe that's why there's a good amount. So, it gives me YouTube recap gave me my top three genres. So, one was tech news, two was sports content, three was comedy. Didn't
01:22:59
know that, but I guess that's technically true. Uh, and then it gives me a couple other things. It doesn't
01:23:05
show me. I would say Spotify wrapped is a more developed product with more interesting insights. Very developed.
01:23:10
But shout out to YouTube for actually listening. This is a good first try. Now, next year, build in some
01:23:16
interesting like like number crunching or like insights like how many hours of YouTube did I
01:23:23
watch this year? I want to know that. I want to know uh something Spotify did this year with Wrapped is they analyzed
01:23:29
your listening history and just came up with a a listening age and it gives you a number of like you have the listening habits of a 20-year-old or a
01:23:40
70-year-old. Um, interestingly, today is my 32nd birthday and it said mine was exactly 32.
01:23:46
Hilarious. Crazy. Um, I also think like if Amazon did a wrapped, it would know way too much about you to get it wrong
01:23:53
and it would just tell you your exact age. This is totally not because I'm really salty that I'm the only person here
01:23:58
without recap right now. I feel like like the reason Spotify wrapped works so well is because it has
01:24:04
a singular day where everybody is sharing it. So to roll this out gradually and like not have everyone
01:24:11
having it and sharing it at the same time is just the amount of people are going to be like, "Oh, I'm hyped. I want to go look at and it's not in your
01:24:17
profile, you've just lost. Sounds like a U problem. Yeah, a YouTube problem. I think it's
01:24:23
rolls out features and stages and waves a lot. And I I almost wonder if they even have the ability to like I mean
01:24:29
other than removing the like dislike button. Yeah, they should be able to pull they
01:24:35
should be able to hit a button and every single thing on the second largest website on the planet should change. What was your YouTube award? Mine is the
01:24:42
most likely to have the latest tech and still know the best local coffee shop. Which is extremely accurate.
01:24:49
That's pretty specific. Extremely accurate. Mine was the most likely to know what's
01:24:54
going on behind the scenes of a news story before other people have heard the news story. Wow.
01:25:00
That's also very specific. That's not insinuating. You just know I'm aing genius, right?
01:25:06
That he's the one that committed the crime. My award is most likely to find the coolest new gadget before everyone else. Yeah, that's mine. That seems pretty generic. Yeah,
01:25:17
to be honest. Are you the curious mind? I'm the curious mind. That's my personality type. Wonder.
01:25:22
I'm the wonders seeker. Marquez, do we have the same YouTube rat? Maybe. Tech product reviews. Did you also Was Bad Bunny also your top
01:25:29
listen to? No, I've never heard a Bad Bunny song in it entirety. So that's That is a lie. In its entirety. Bad Bunny was yours?
01:25:36
Yeah. on my Spotify. Baboon. Yeah. Do you know that line in the office where he's like, "I love inside jokes. I'd love to be part of one one day." That's how I feel right now with all you guys.
01:25:48
I don't know what any of you are talking about. Oh, you know what's funny? After you watch a YouTube recap, it has you do a
01:25:53
questionnaire to whether or not you think that it it was good or not. It was good or not. Whether or not it actually it says,
01:25:59
"Rate your level of agreement. This recap reflects who I am, my interest, preferences, etc."
01:26:04
They're trying. The first screen, if you look, very small text at the bottom, it says AI can make mistakes. So, it was
01:26:10
definitely made with AI. Damn. I mean, I don't I'm not shocked. Microsoft uses AI.
01:26:16
Yeah, I can make mistakes. It does say they're very tiny. Very small text. I'm sorry, Andrew. Yeah. Anyway, I'm so irrationally mad about this.
01:26:24
It's kind of like, and before everyone asks my I don't have my history deleted or anything, like I don't have any of the special things
01:26:31
that would not let me have it. YouTube just hates me. Well, I still don't have my Google Photos recap, which was what
01:26:37
we're were about to talk about. No, I don't have that either. That I do have, which is You have it? I do have that one. Wow. So, Google gave that to
01:26:43
Do you want to go to that? Yeah, we'll go to Google. Are you guys done with We'll just finish up Google. Yeah, YouTube recap. Yeah. Still should have be called should
01:26:49
should have been called YouTube Recap. And I I do want to say really quickly, I know that YouTube Rewind got
01:26:55
progressively more cringe, but I like I feel like there's something cultural about that, you know?
01:27:00
Keep the name. Like, own the name. I know it if they must have really really realized how bad it was to bury it, but it would have been way better to own it. What has changed though like that? This
01:27:12
is something I've been thinking about a lot recently. There's not really like a singular cultural event that everyone
01:27:18
like it doesn't happen that much anymore that there is one topic that everyone is watching and seeing and talking about.
01:27:25
So because of algorithmic timelines and everything being curated to for you. Mhm. So now like the YouTube rewind, you know, it already felt a little out of touch cuz it would be some like artists
01:27:37
that you had you've never heard of them before and it was like, oh, they were really popular. That's crazy. But now it would be like I would not recognize
01:27:43
literally anything that happened on it. Which is why this is a perfect replacement for it. So it's just telling you about yourself and what you watch,
01:27:49
but I want to feel more connected to the world. That's why I think the best YouTube rewinds, the best YouTube
01:27:55
rewinds were the first few where it was just the extremely extremely small selection of the couple of memes that
01:28:02
everyone was aware of which there are like no that everyone's aware of. There's only like five like exactly six,
01:28:09
seven. you've all they've all heard, you've all seen maybe like one major sports event of the year
01:28:16
and one major cultural like event or one or two celebrities that like had a big moment or something like that. That would be it. But I feel like I mean in the tech space even now the
01:28:27
Android releases are not going to be like a big Android 17. They're all just coming out all the time constantly.
01:28:33
There used to be stuff every day on Twitter that we would they would be the topic of the day. That does not happen
01:28:40
almost at all anymore. Like every now and then, but not very often. Yeah. If you were in charge,
01:28:46
if you were in charge of YouTube Rewind today and you were trying to do it the same style as the last few rewinds, you would have a list like 70 pages long of
01:28:53
things to include and it would just be impossible. Yeah. So glad they didn't try like K-pop.
01:28:59
Yeah. I feel like it could be like K-pop Demon Hunters. K-pop Demon Hunters. Coffeezilla like kind of I feel like this was kind
01:29:04
of his breakout year. Or did he start? That was like two to three years ago. His breakout year was probably two to three years ago. I think when like the bigger NFT crypto
01:29:15
scammy stuff was the 2022. It might be longer than last year22. I think he was still a coffee channel. I didn't even know he was a he was definitely doing a lot of the crypto stuff during the metaverse wave.
01:29:28
His most popular video three years ago, four years ago, two years ago, two years ago. Yeah.
01:29:34
Yeah. Yeah. Actually, two years ago was his really big year. The biggest YouTubers were still Mr. Beast and like the most obvious ones that you're thinking of.
01:29:45
T-Series and that's fine. All right. Tell us about Google Photos recap that apparently only you have, Andrew.
01:29:51
Yeah, this is the Pixel Reward. This is my Pixel Reward, not the other Google product from YouTube. Um, I mean,
01:29:58
Google Photos is awesome already in that it does a lot of these like memories together or like this day back, like
01:30:05
photos from this day in previous years. Um, but it pretty much just gives you at the top of your screen a like 2025 year
01:30:13
recap. Um, and you just scroll through it and it pretty much is just going to show the people you took the most photos
01:30:19
of. I have 1,800 photos of Lane apparently from this year. Um, which is then funny because then it's Claire and then my the third person is just Lane, but it doesn't put Lane's name to the
01:30:31
face. So, uh, but yeah, it's just kind of going through all how people you've taken photos of. Um, you know, mine is just all lane pretty much, but
01:30:44
exploring new places, things you've done. I've gone to a lot of Devil's Games, theme parks. I guess it's
01:30:50
it's another good service to have a rewind. And then it throws some videos at the end, just like clips them all
01:30:56
together, which is awesome. I think as a parent right now, yeah, this is like one of the coolest things
01:31:01
ever. That's why I gave it to you first, possibly. Um, and this is really cool because I
01:31:07
can share it just through Google Photos with other people. I I think like one last thing about harping on being a
01:31:14
parent is like when you have a kid, start a shared Google Photos album with everyone who
01:31:19
might take pictures of them that they can then look at and it's the best thing ever. Yeah, I I think that's really awesome.
01:31:25
Yeah, they also added a new feature to this Google Photos recap where you can now export directly to Cap Cut for some
01:31:32
reason. It's specifically Cap Cut and they have a bunch of different templates where you can put different
01:31:39
photore stuff in it. Um, weird. Yeah, I guess it's like they really want you to make a short out of it or something. I'm sure to share it. Yeah. The other funny thing is there's also an
01:31:50
option called replace people or photos. So, I guess if you cuz I I guess we all take photos of like
01:31:57
random things all the time. Maybe a receipt, maybe just like this is where I am. So, like if that happens to pop up,
01:32:02
you can replace the photo. Replace people is really funny. I guess maybe if you take too many photos at like work
01:32:09
and there's someone from work that that you don't want to be with all your other family members. I'm assuming it will
01:32:15
take out the couple slides that's dedicated to that person. The tag that recognizes. Yeah. Yeah. So, you can edit it.
01:32:22
I'm glad because not to go dark, but that could also be a thing if you lost a family member this year and then it's giving you a recap of like
01:32:30
Yeah. Look at all these pictures and see that right now. That might be like good to see the memories with the person, but
01:32:36
like if you broke up with somebody, then you don't want to see the memories with the person. Yeah. Yeah, I can see that.
01:32:41
Well, that's depressing. Yeah. Spotify um is the next one. Spotify kind of kicked off this whole like recap thing and now freaking Eight Sleep is probably doing a recap.
01:32:53
Wait, I want that. How You Slept this year. Wait, I want that. Eight sleep wrapped.
01:32:59
I didn't get the Spotify age thing. You didn't? No, it's in It's in the I know. I was looking at in your rap. It didn't Huh.
01:33:05
No, I guess I'm timeless. That's That's what I want to ask. I think there was two main things in raps
01:33:11
this year that were different that were fun. And one is it calculates your age based on music you listen to. And also
01:33:18
the last one was towards the end it created files of kind of like your most music listening day. It would be like the day you listened to the most different genres. The day you listened
01:33:30
to this one artist too many times and had a little recap. But I wanted to ask what everyone's listening age was.
01:33:36
Mine is 47. 47. Mine is 32. 32. That's hilarious cuz it's your birthday. I think David and I are on the
01:33:43
older end. Mine was 87. 8. I thought it was 77. Oh, was it 72? Mine was So mine's kind of interesting because it's also old. I believe it's 68. The only thing is, and Marquez had
01:33:57
an interesting point about this, so maybe he's right. I listen to a lot of older music. 73. Okay.
01:34:02
Sorry, not 87. That's wild. Yeah. Old knows you make fun of Spotify all the time. I'm the enigma, baby. So, I mean, my genres are indie pop, Scott Punk, Minianapolis Sound, whatever
01:34:15
that means. That's Prince and alternative rock. And how is that 73? I think it's more based on when the music came out and when you would
01:34:26
approximately be Yeah. I mean, it plays Joanie Mitchell when I um Mine's mine played Bruce Springsteen
01:34:31
when it said 68. But it also said in my top genres, number four was Lullabi because of how many things I play for
01:34:37
Lane, which makes me wonder if my age should be way higher and that's actually pulling my average down
01:34:43
really hard. But then you said I thought it was interesting. Like obviously a lot of one-year-olds listen to lullabibies,
01:34:49
but maybe they're not the ones listening to it on Spotify. It's their parents who are listening to the lullabies on their Spotify. So it knows based on you
01:34:57
listening to lullabibies that you are around a parents age. Yeah, potentiary point. They also just know how old you are.
01:35:04
That was the thing. I think you just it just knows. That's But it's supposed to tell you your listening age. It's just
01:35:09
sad that mine's the same as my age. If it was just trying to actually guess our age, it's all really boring. It's perfect.
01:35:15
It's boring. I also found a very funny I I forgot to mention this. I found a very funny bug in the YouTube recap. So, as many people
01:35:23
know, I watch almost every video at at least 2x speed. Um, unfortunately, the YouTube music the YouTube recap will play music in the background based on a
01:35:35
song that you've listened to through YouTube music. Apparently, I don't really know how it picks it, but if the
01:35:41
last video that you watched on YouTube before you start your recap, you were watching at 2x speed or or something
01:35:46
else, it plays that song at 2 to 3x speed. Oh, nice. So, watch this. So, if I I don't know if we can play this cuz I copyright, but if
01:35:53
I switch Let me just switch this playback speed to to 3x. Okay, 3x. You're just in like a random video right now. Just a random video. And then I go to my YouTube recap.
01:36:08
And it's like doing the reccast, but it's like playing it at 3x. Wait, can you find royalty-free music to
01:36:16
do this? It just only does your most played song through YouTube music as your background.
01:36:22
Streetlight Manifesto sped up just sounds like through the fire and flames. I thought it was through the fire, but I thought it was.
01:36:28
Yeah, that's really fun. Well, that song's not technically out yet, so maybe it's not copyrighted.
01:36:33
I'm pretty sure Through the Fire and Flames has been out for quite some time. David, I played Through the Fire and Flames at a party and someone was like, "What is
01:36:40
this?" And I was like, "Oh my god, is that person uncultured?" That's why your listening age is 73.
01:36:46
Jeez, Dragon Force. That is really funny. Um, anyway, if you guys uh if you guys
01:36:53
have us on your wrapped or your recap, because we could be on your YouTube recap or your Spotify wrapped,
01:37:00
send it to us. Yeah. Yeah. I want to see it. Yeah. Yeah, I want to see it. Yeah. I also wanted to end this with one other
01:37:06
wrapped we got is in megaphone we get wrapped for creators which if you guys want to open the link you can we have not looked at this but this is basically our wrapped for waveform of people who
01:37:17
listen to us and I thought we'd go through it really quick. I think we usually do this every year. Um so if you guys want to pull it up at
01:37:24
the production desk. Let's go. 2025. This year is quite the year for you. Scroll down. This is just on Spotify or
01:37:31
is this across all? Well, no. Megaphone is across all audio. Yeah. Yeah. So, this should do everything. It's just that Megaphone's owned by
01:37:37
Spotify now. So, okay. Little proof that hard work pays off. 2.3 million total plays.
01:37:42
Damn. Again, audio only. 9% increase of total audience from last year. Okay. 122,000. Total new audience. Wait, what? Isn't
01:37:54
that what we just Oh, total audience. Total new audience 56.8K AK up 350% from last year. Our audio. I'm not sure how it's I don't know what that means. That but Okay. Well, this is audio, right? This is This
01:38:07
is just through Spotify. Or is this No, it's megaphone. This is all This is what pushes to our distribution.
01:38:13
Yeah, that's cool. That sounds like a totally wrong number. Total followers 274,000 up 7% from last
01:38:20
year. Is that right? 52.6 million minutes of listening. How many uh do I have more hours in Dota 2 than people? Well, here we go. Hours of listening.
01:38:31
877,000 hours of listening. I'm pretty close. That is 36.5,000 days. 5.2,000 weeks. Is that just this year? 1.2,000
01:38:45
months and 100 years. Centennial. Wow. We're a blue zone. This is our centennial. Blue zone. That's so many dishes.
01:38:57
It's a lot of dishes. Wait, is that it? Yeah, that's it. Oh, wait. No, no. The charts. Number nine.
01:39:02
We hit number. Number nine. What? The charts. Waveform. FKBHD podcast. You hit number nine. Like total number nine. We're sorry. We know we have hands. We didn't think it hurt that
01:39:14
bad. Do we hit the number nine? I just What is the chart? It just says the charts. You were on the charts for
01:39:21
43 weeks. You charted in eight countries. What does that mean? What does that mean?
01:39:27
Clearly, they did not put as much work into They put way too much work in the animations for all of this cuz they're
01:39:34
really good. Thanks, Daddy. One episode. Our most popular episode. What do you think? Our What episode rose
01:39:39
above the rest? Know which one it is? Vision Pro. Apple iPhone. Was it Vision Pro? iPhone.
01:39:46
Our live Oh, yeah. Apple Park event. Yeah. 40% more than the average episode. Wow. Nice. Wait, was that our That wasn't the bonus. I was going to say, yeah,
01:39:58
we're still quoting it. Whatever that means. Hot takes, leave notes, and everything
01:40:03
in between. Love notes. What is that? These are all the comments we haven't enabled.
01:40:09
Oh, no. It's the comments that we barely know how to read. Well, there's hundreds of them.
01:40:15
YouTube needs to fix this episode. Got the most comments. Oh. Uh, the most used emoji was a thumbs up. All
01:40:22
right. United States left 716 comments. Most comments were left on June 19th. Sorry.
01:40:28
Were you going to say something else? Is that just Is this on Spotify? This is through Spotify.
01:40:34
Sorry. If you comment on Spotify, good job. We probably never seen that. It's just we don't have a process in place like reply to them. Yeah. Replying stuff. Yeah.
01:40:44
Are listening pass. Oh, this is the most fun part. The like 158 countries reached. There are 158 countries. There's I can't
01:40:52
name all the planets. Uh oh. Oh. All right. Top countries. United States, United Kingdom, India, Canada, Germany. Everybody else needs to step it up.
01:41:06
Come on, man. Yeah. Get your friends to listen. You're never going to chart at this rate. You're charted. You charted number nine.
01:41:15
Um, your show made it to the top of many fans lists. What's a list? I don't know. It's It's next to charts.
01:41:22
It's next toart. You're a top 10 show for 71,000 fans. That's pretty awesome. Top five for 55,000 fans. Number one
01:41:30
show for 18.7,000. That's shout out fans, including me on YouTube. Your top fans streamed 2.6 times more than everyone else. Yeah,
01:41:43
I feel like this has to just be Spotify. There's no way they could collect Yeah, this feels like Spotify only data. I don't think they can collect they
01:41:49
don't have user data from unless they're like logging everybody's IP all the time
01:41:56
minutes and stuff like that total or that could probably be a Spotify idea. Well, it's a Spotify URL cuz it's through megaphone which is what pushes to RSS for Spotify logo in the corner
01:42:07
cuz Spotify owns megaphone. Yeah, but it's I think it's pretty clear it's Spotify. This is all just Spotify then. That's
01:42:13
crazy cuz all these numbers are way higher because Spotify isn't even our most listened to. I don't know because megaphone gives us um
01:42:22
Megaphone gives us numbers outside gives us numbers outside of Spotify. That's what I'm saying. I think I think that I would guess that the listening numbers are probably from
01:42:29
all platforms because you can detect how many times an RSS feed is pulled from megaphone servers, but I don't I don't
01:42:35
know how they would know like our like a user's top shows from RSS infrastructure. It's
01:42:42
it's really simple syndication. Keep scrolling. These get really interesting when you scroll down. The
01:42:47
top artists the top artists from people who listen to our podcast. What do you know? I don't know one or two which is probably I don't know one. I don't know two.
01:42:57
Number three. Three is Kendrick Lamar. Four is Taylor Swift. And five is Drake. Top audio books you guys listen to. Number one John Green. Everything is Tuberculosis. Number two Ezra Klene
01:43:10
Abundance. Number three Gary Stevenson the trading game. Number four, James Clear's iconic Atomic Habits book. And number five, Mark Manson, The Subtle Art
01:43:22
of Not Giving A. Wow. It's There's something funny about talking about not giving a and then censoring the word on the cover, the page. Sounds like you give a little bit.
01:43:35
You got to sell the book everywhere. You got to sell the book. And then other top shows that you guys listen to.
01:43:40
Let's just say number two. Number one. Well, Jerry is the most popular podcast on Earth. So Joe Rogan is number one,
01:43:46
the Wan Show number two, The Verge Cast number three, the New York Times Daily number four, the Bill Simmons podcast
01:43:52
number five. Wave for listeners know Ball. You know Ball? Y'all know Ball. Okay. Pretty awesome that the JerryRig
01:43:59
Everything Experience is the number one podcast. That's That is interesting. Um, who's Bill Simmons?
01:44:06
Sports comedy. Just leave it at that. Sports guy. Big sports guy. Yeah. The the last thing says fans
01:44:12
listen to you for longer than 99% of other shows. So we have a show that keeps people listening for long
01:44:18
durations. Wow. Which for a podcast I feel like is a pretty big achievement. That's pretty cool. Honestly, shout out to Adam for that
01:44:24
because if you were in the room with us, you would leave so fast. It's a good point. I haven't left yet.
01:44:31
I don't know. I have to cut them sometimes where you leave the bathroom. Oh yeah, it's true. You receive more shares than 99% of
01:44:38
other shows. Really? That feels like something. Feels a lot. That feels like a great accomplishment.
01:44:43
They shared all the iPhone the iPhone video. iPhone and that's it. Nice. Okay. Well, we charted. Whatever that means. We did that.
01:44:53
Doc, I charted. We charted. We charted. We listed. And now we trivia. Unlike Nathan Drake who uncharted, we charted.
01:45:05
We charted. Sea of Thieves. Charted the seas. All right. All right. Relax. And another thing. Also, I just blinked. What's an ocean anyway? I just blinked and this animation thing
01:45:18
was like in my cuz it's like pulsing. I learned when I was really young. That C is for cookie. And that's good enough for me.
01:45:31
We could have solved that whole argument with that one. Did long I did long division for this one. So this is
01:45:36
was that the first question though? How did you do long division for the first? I don't see I don't see any long
01:45:42
in this class. You got to show your work, brother. Did long division. Would you ask Chad GPT? Okay, guys. The OnePlus 15's battery is
01:45:51
insane. How many times larger in milliamp hours? Is it larger or longer? Doesn't matter. How many times more in milliamp hours is the OnePlus 15 than my
01:46:01
12 mini? Closest Delta. Closest. Oh, boy. Delta. Oh, wait. We have really milked this piece of music for so much at this point. It's incredible. It's timeless.
01:46:18
I wish I remember who wrote it. Let's switch to Sidmer's Sim Golf theme song next.
01:46:25
You guys probably haven't heard it. Sid Myers Civilization. I was going to say we were both like, Marquez, everyone's heard of
01:46:30
Civilization. I heard of Sid Myers Sim Golf. Oh boy. Oh, please, please give me the win. These are close answers. These are close answers.
01:46:42
It ain't 2400. I've showed more work than both of you guys. David, what is your answer?
01:46:48
4.2x. All right. I will tell you now that you are the farthest away from what I can see. All right, Andrew. Yes. What did you put? 3.15.
01:46:59
3.15. That puts you 0.12 away from the correct the correct answer. Marquez, what did you think is right? I I know the OnePlus 15 has a 7,300 mAh battery.
01:47:12
That is correct. I was guessing that your phone's in the ballpark of 2400, which I think might be
01:47:18
too high. So, I have I have I was thinking it was 1500. I have 3.1x, which I'm I'm realizing.
01:47:25
I'm sorry. I I'm going to round that to 3.10 10 because you do not have Oh, wait. You That's what you meant by that. You weren't like X was not a variable. No, you were saying 3.1 times.
01:47:36
The correct answer is 3.27 which gives Andrew Yeah. the point. What is the mill of the iPhone? I believe it is I believe it is 2227.
01:47:50
For some reason, I was guessing like 1500. I was guessing more. For some reason, you know why I guess 1500? It was the
01:47:56
usable uh millah of Ellis's battery. That's what I was guessing. Wow. It's like 800.
01:48:02
Probably 1500 by this point. I was thinking I was in Chinatown buying fish balls for David and I. And so I the guy the fish
01:48:10
ball at Mr. Chang's fish ball store was um was like, "Oh, you should scan this QR code and leave a review of my fish balls." And I was like, "Yeah, I love it, man. I'm here all the time." And I
01:48:22
opened my camera app to scan it and my camera broke. It didn't work. So I like at this point
01:48:28
this point. Are you just going to upgrade your phone? It's a feature phone. Are you going to upgrade it? As soon as I can get a 17 Pro for under
01:48:36
$1,200. Sure. But like come on, man.$12. You get the small one. Yeah, the small one's not 1,200. I mean, after it starts at 11 and then you should never buy base storage iPhones. So
01:48:48
doesn't start at $999. No. Yeah. 10 10 Oh, a Pro 109. 1099. a pro. It starts at 109 1099. Yeah. All right, I'm gonna pass it over to Adam to do a score update and hit you
01:49:01
with question number two. Get him. Well, that's getting cut. Why? Why? Quick update on the score. Marquez with 10. Andrew after that correct answer
01:49:14
with 13. David bringing up the rear with nine. David, this is your chance. What does QPR2 mean?
01:49:24
for the Android updates that we spoke about. QPR2 is when you exchange a bribe for fish eggs. Quidd pro row.
01:49:40
One point to Alice. This is it. Flip him and read. What do you got? I'll go David first.
01:49:51
Oh, duh. I did. Oh, oh, I think Marquez is right. I think Marquez is right. Okay. Well, I wrote it means nothing, hoping that it just didn't really mean anything because
01:50:02
I couldn't even pretend to make up letters. Would have been hilarious, but no. I wrote quarterly pixel release 2.
01:50:09
Okay. And Marquez, what did you write? I wrote quarterly public release 2. Marquez. I think it's public though.
01:50:15
Neither of you were correct. It's quarterly platform release 2. Close enough. Close enough.
01:50:21
Nice work. And neither of us can claim close to Delta because we're both one. Yeah, you're both one word off. Cuz it's a word. Unfortunately, that means
01:50:27
you're both. There's not distance between words. Actually, there isn't 3D space. So,
01:50:33
well, hey, nobody gets those points, but we all learned something today. Shout out to those of you who have a
01:50:38
singer wrapped or your recaps and Yeah, cuz I get I get it wrong every week, so I just learn something every
01:50:45
week. Um, and thank you for watching and for listening and subscribing. We'll catch you very soon in our more regularly
01:50:50
scheduled programming in Techmber. No, we're just forcing it at this point. Texember, see you soon.
01:50:56
It's his birthday. Oh, true. You're right, Marquez. Waveform is produced in a small studio in between the Labrador and Saraso seas by Ellis Roven and Adam Molina. Uh,
01:51:08
the Caspian Sea is a lake. Bingo. Our theme music is written by Vain Sil and we're part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. We're written by the Written by the Vox video.
01:51:27
I'm on oceans service.noah.gov. Okay. And they say a sea is the part of the ocean that is near land. That's it. Oh, I thought it came after that's a terrible ex explanation.
01:51:40
That's not Go to the Atlantic Ocean. Yeah. So not all ocean but then there's a bay all sea is part of ocean. So it's some of the parts of the ocean.
01:51:52
It's a part of an ocean that's like vaguely near land that's not just like far out. So it's not like a hard line. It's like
01:51:58
a gradient. Yeah. That's a weird way of describing. I don't think so. But it's just like it makes you think any parts of the ocean that are near land are seas.
01:52:09
It's a which is not true. Well, think of it this way is like when you're when you're actually sailing, right? Like land these
01:52:16
like big masses of stuff really affect weather patterns. So, we talking about land.
01:52:22
What? No, I'm talking about I like my GPT definition actually. Oh, no. Okay. And mine is personalized to give me analogy. So, it says, "Think of the ocean as the plants giant main stage of salt
01:52:34
water. There's only a few. They're immense. They're deep and they connect continents. A sea is like a side room
01:52:41
off of that stage. Smaller, shallower, often partly enclosed by land and commonly linked to an ocean. So oceans
01:52:47
shape global circulation and climate with broad uninterrupted waters. Seas sit on continental margins like the
01:52:54
Caribbean Sea, the Mediterranean Sea. They can have distinct conditions and ecosystems and are more influenced by
01:53:00
nearby land and rivers. Do they have to be a certain size? That's a better Ellis has the perfect image for this.
01:53:05
So, if anyone is confused, look at the video version cuz I will have this image in the podcast. Do they need to be the same size?
01:53:12
If you say you put it, it's the part of ocean by land. That's a confusing way of describing it.
01:53:17
Wait, so the um cuz in Santa Cruz like that's a like that's a bay cuz there's Santa Cruz there's the Mterrey Bay which is like the area that separates Santa Cruz and Mterrey.
01:53:29
Yeah. Wait, so what's the difference between a bay? Yeah, a bay. We're we're we're thinking of these terms as like, you know, these
01:53:35
hard geographical or I guess not geographical, it's the ocean. But but the reason I would assume the reason
01:53:42
that these terms are different is because when you're sailing on the water, the conditions, the average weather,
01:53:48
it's going to be different when you're out in the open ocean versus vaguely near a mass of land. Right? So just
01:53:55
saying the Atlantic Ocean has these conditions is not specific enough because the Labrador Sea and the Saraso
01:54:02
Sea are going to be require different sailing techniques to traverse them. Also all the
01:54:10
So the Gulf of Alaska Alaska goes all the way down to the Bearing Sea. Oh, all the way down.
01:54:16
Yeah. where like Chilean, it's like the general like this is a bunch of seas and then all of a sudden it's like does it have something to do with like the ocean floor like where it drops off to deeper parts and that would be the
01:54:30
ocean? Yeah, we could go to the Labrador Sea. I've never heard most Lincoln Sea because we're not you're not we're not
01:54:36
sailing like they don't we're not traversing the oceans. They don't have meaningful differences. Also, the Gulf of Mexico. I'm just
01:54:42
saying like this thing is not a sea. So it's even more enclosed cuz I'm looking at the the Bay of Bengal right
01:54:49
now. I'm feeling like that's kind of a Gulf. We brought up a map that has a bunch of seas. None of us use the terms for it.
01:54:56
But then it's also just missing a giant portion that's like still land connected
01:55:01
to ocean. Yeah. Anyway, this didn't help me at all. Yeah, this didn't help. What was your question? Wait, Ellis,
01:55:07
what was your question? What's the difference between the I'm just saying the the original explanation was a poor explanation and
01:55:14
Ellis is trying to prove it with a map that nobody cares about and is still proving me right.
01:55:21
What's the sea off California? I near land. It might it might not have a denotation because it's not necessary
01:55:28
to separate from the rest of the Pacific Ocean. This doesn't even the Pacific Ocean is called the Pacific Ocean because it's
01:55:33
Yeah. Yeah. But all I'm never mind is a pointless conversation. What about around like Hawaii? Is there like a sea?
01:55:39
No, it's the Pacific. I feel like that's too small. It doesn't talk about the Gulf of Mexico at all.
01:55:44
It's supposed to be seas, which is weird that it says Gulf of Alaska. Yeah. Um I'm just saying I think the saying
01:55:52
seas are oceans near land is confusing because there are also oceans near land. And I think just a step further
01:55:58
explaining it is not that unreasonable. Apparently, the Hawaii Sea is the Pacific Ocean surrounding the Hawaiian
01:56:03
Islands. Yeah, but that is that might be made up. So, I think you're agreeing with Ellis. You just wish that it was more specific.
01:56:10
Less. That's all I've ever said. Less. He wants less specific. No, I want more specific. I thought you didn't want the seas. You
01:56:16
just wanted the No, no. I'm just saying the very vague definition of a sea is ocean next to
01:56:22
land, which is what you first said, right? Or am I wrong on that? And then my whole argument.
01:56:27
It's technically not wrong, but it's not actually. I just don't think it's a good description. Wait, but look at this. The Caspian Sea
01:56:33
is not even connected to the ocean. That's an That's a lake. The Caspian Sea is a lake. You just don't see it. The Caspian Sea is also fully
01:56:40
landlocked. Really? I can see how the Black Sea is connected. I just don't see how the Caspian Sea Yeah. Wait, that that is The Caspian Sea
01:56:47
isn't connected. It's landlocked. I mean, it's the biggest lake in the world. It might have a river that connects it to the ocean.
01:56:52
Like the Great Lakes. No, I know this. The Caspian Sea is the biggest lake. Caspian. Oh, you're right.
01:56:57
Maybe they just named it that before they made all these. This is man. This is bull.
01:57:04
Caspian sea is you realize there's not like also the Black Sea like a like a like you realize there's
01:57:09
not like some group of guys in suits who are like the the official government of of seas and saltwater that decide all
01:57:16
this stuff. They just these are these are these are these are terms that have been developed and
01:57:23
cultivated over millennia of of ocean fairing. Like there doesn't have to be a reason. Then why did you ask us a trivia question about I didn't I didn't do any of this.
01:57:35
This is Adam. I'm trying to respect that sometimes language is cultivated by over time
01:57:42
people doing cool stuff and we can learn about that stuff and we don't need to be like that's stupid cuz it's not stupid.
01:57:49
I think it's I guess my my argument is if we want to learn more about it then we should have a better
01:57:55
descriptor of it than just sea is ocean next to land. I think that doesn't give it enough. And I think there's a better
01:58:02
way to describe it. To explain, we can use the simple it's near land because that will affect the ocean conditions, which is important because
01:58:13
you need to know what kind of conditions your oceancraft is going to face. If you just
01:58:18
I'm not doing this anymore. He's just not listening. I have an analogy. I think it's like how you still have the floppy disc as the
01:58:24
save button. It's not actually a floppy disc. It's like an analogy for how we used to be. The Caspian Sea is the only one that's
01:58:30
not connected to the ocean. When it was called the sea, they should rename it as Yeah. the Caspian Lake. Did you watch the the Hank Green video
01:58:37
about fish recently? He talks about how there's all this argument argument about
01:58:43
whether sharks are fish or jellyfish fish. What actually is a fish? And the deeper you get into it, the more you
01:58:49
realize it's literally impossible to decide a clear line of what I don't know why you're never mind because you're so mad at me cuz you think I don't believe you, but I believe
01:59:00
you. And I'm just saying it would be easier for an average person to understand it with one more sentence
01:59:07
tacked onto that. What I'm trying to say is the average person does not need to understand it because the actual cool,
01:59:14
interesting, functional truth is complicated. The truth isn't complicated. It's it's based on all of
01:59:20
But your answer to a complicated thing is be as vague as possible as the definition of it. I I honestly don't over
01:59:33
did say that uh listen to God the Hawaii Sea the ocean around Hawaii. No it did not. I googled Hawaii sea though so I let it on. I definitely Does Hawaii Sea exist? I don't know. AI overview seems
01:59:45
you were asking for it Marquez. All I did was Google Hawaii Sea and it said Oh yeah. Yeah. Hawaii Sea. That's
01:59:50
that's the water around Hawaii. And I figured that's all I need to know. All right. All right. Are you leading
01:59:56
into the Android stuff? Okay, let's hit it. All right, welcome back. Uh, there's
02:00:03
the difference between an ocean and a sea. Oh my gosh. I will catchy. This all stemmed from be being horribly wrong about seas in the first place two episodes ago.
02:00:15
Really? Well, I just said like, "No, season oceans are different." They are different. I know. And I know that. And
02:00:20
Oh, but you said it like joking back then. No, no, no. I thought they were or like uh
02:00:26
I use them as synonyms cuz people say the seven C's all the time. Wait, but it also
02:00:32
back No, no. It did start from me being like