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The surface of the sun is colder than
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the inner core of the earth.
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>> The surface of the sun is closer than
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the pyramids being built.
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>> I didn't know the core of the earth was
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that hot,
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>> bro.
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It's molten iron.
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>> I know, but the surface of the sun.
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>> No, the surface
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>> hotter than the surface.
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>> What about the sun?
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>> What about the core of the sun?
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>> The surface of the sun wasn't the hot
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part.
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>> Yeah,
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>> it's not. But it's the surface of the
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sun.
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>> It's still really hot. I mean, I guess I
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just never thought about how hot. Do you
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know what I might see today? The surface
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of my son.
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>> They call that the corona.
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What is up people of the internet? I'm
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Ellis. This is Adam. And before we kick
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off this very special episode of
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Waveform, I want to ask the host the
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first question of Waveform, which is how
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is this podcast different from all other
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podcasts?
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>> This one right now.
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>> Well, Andrew is the host who does not
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know how to ask clearly. But this
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episode is different because we're
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answering questions
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>> from you, our lovely audience, viewers,
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spectators. We have we've gotten over
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1,600 questions from you guys.
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>> We're going to answer all of them.
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>> We're not going to answer all of them.
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It was so many questions. We picked our
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favorite ones. We're going to kick it
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off
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>> before it was just honorary mention.
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Like a third of the questions, like over
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a hundred of them, I want to say, were
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just like, "What do you guys think about
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Zen browser?"
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>> So, shout out Zen Browser.
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>> What do you guys think about Zen
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Browser? I think it's pretty solid and
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it needs uh a couple more features for
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me to switch to a fulltime.
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>> I just don't like those types of
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browsers, but it's run on the Firefox.
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>> That's why everyone is like, Andrew, you
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know, you know,
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>> you're right. I should,
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>> but I don't.
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>> I'm giving it I have not given it a shot
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yet.
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>> Mostly because everyone keeps telling me
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to and I just don't want to do what they
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tell me as uh you know, Ra gets the
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machine would say. So,
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>> two two really good references in the
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first like two minutes of this podcast.
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I like it. You guys all got my
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reference, right? What did you say?
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>> Don't even worry about it. The people
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listening, they'll know. Okay.
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>> It was a Judaism reference.
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>> I missed that one.
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>> I definitely missed that one.
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>> Literally, the form we sent out was,
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"What's your question? Who are you?"
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Like, there's no categories. We're just
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going to we're going to spit them off.
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So, this first one is from Constantine,
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and it's a question for David
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specifically. David, the question is, K
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David do lesson.
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>> Yeah, I got
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lesson.
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>> What? What language is it?
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>> That's German. German.
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>> Can David understand this? That's what
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he said.
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>> Oh,
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>> yeah. Nice. David,
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>> how much did you practice pronunciating
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that?
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>> None. That was off the dome, baby.
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>> Wow.
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>> I also speak German. I don't speak
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anything.
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>> Sprey Deutsch over here.
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>> I don't know how to say over here. I
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actually don't know how to say anything
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other than
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>> Berlin. I think it's pretty simple.
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>> Am I the only one who doesn't speak
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German?
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>> There's a lot of German words that is
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just if you say the English word angry.
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That's house.
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>> It's house.
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>> I think I made that joke on the podcast.
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>> It'sa. It's not house.
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>> Same thing.
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>> It's not house. It's housesa.
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>> But you'd know what they meant if you
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went to Germany and said
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>> Yeah. I mean, English is a Germanic
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language. No, it'sa. Play it. Play it.
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>> House.
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>> Correct.
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>> She was She wasn't as angry.
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>> Not very
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not very angry there.
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>> All right. That's hilarious. Well,
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>> okay. Next question.
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>> Mhm.
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>> This one comes from Sha.
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>> For ad breaks, do you guys take actual
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breaks or is that just a post-production
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thing?
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>> Sometimes we got to pee.
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>> We do take little breaks.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Stretch our legs a little bit.
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>> Stretch our brains.
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>> Yeah.
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>> I mean, sometimes the breaks are too
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long cuz we start talking about stuff
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that has nothing to do with the show and
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then we realize we're way too deep. But
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yeah, it's usually bathroom break,
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stretch break.
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>> In the summer, turn the AC on break for
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a couple minutes,
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>> which we might need to do today. It's
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>> fun fact for those I don't know if we've
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even said this in the pod yet. When we
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record, we turn all the AC heating and
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cooling off in this room so it's as
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quiet as possible so it sounds good.
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>> The vent is right there above like our
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logo in the back which means it would be
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blowing directly on all of the
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microphones.
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>> So we're very nice and we turn that off
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for you guys. But that means this room
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which is surrounded by glass uh if it's
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super hot outside that means as we're
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recording the temperature of this room
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slowly goes up as we're recording the
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podcast. If it's super cold outside yes
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this temperature of the room actually
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slowly goes down as we record this
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podcast. So in the winter we would warm
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it up in here before we record and then
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we turn it off and we record the pod and
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we were done. and we'd we'd all be a
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little bit cold and shivering cuz it's
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12° outside. Now, today I think it's 90°
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today outside.
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>> Yeah.
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>> So, we are slowly being cooked as we
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record this Q&A, but that's okay cuz we
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take those little breaks and we cool it
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off.
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>> The point is it's really uncomfortable
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to do this show.
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>> Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of times
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David and I are just wearing like full
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winter jackets in here and people are
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like, why? It's like it's freezing.
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>> I took a video of
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>> I'm already considering taking off my
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second layer.
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real fast and it's only 10:00 a.m. Y
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>> and we've been recording for
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>> 15 minutes. It's been working out.
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>> Yeah. All right. This question got asked
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another, you know, dozens of times. Um
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it's the classic. Why do Adam and Ellis
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>> share one mic?
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>> That's on you guys.
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>> We can't ever tell them that, right?
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>> Well, the answer is sort of different
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now because the excuse used to be like
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we were using the roadcaster and we were
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out of inputs and so like why would we,
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you know, do anything about it? Now, we
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have the Tascam Sonic View 16, which is
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just,
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>> you know, it has inputs for each of its
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pockets. Yeah, we could each have two
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mics.
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>> Uh, but it's just kind of part of the
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bit now.
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>> Yeah,
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>> it feels like the box of Cheerios.
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>> Yeah, this was exactly this was a
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conscious effort when we got this
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machine. We were like looking at each
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other like, "Okay, do you want to each
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have a separate mic now?" And we like
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paused for a second. We're like, "Nah."
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>> Yeah.
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>> Also, like it isn't a kind of thing
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where it's like this show works for us
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as like a business because we it's so
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efficient. we have such a system for
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like the reason we can be creative with
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it is because so many parts of it are
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like this very systemized thing. Um and
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it might not immediately seem like it
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but over the course of a year like per
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episode adding another mic doesn't
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really make it more complicated but when
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you take the 60 plus episodes we do a
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year that actually does add a
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significant amount of time so it's
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easier. We also get 50 free comments an
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episode telling to ask like why would we
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screw engagement?
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>> Yeah. Also,
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>> the live show that each the the sexual
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tension of Adam and I's heads constantly
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being so close together. Like this is
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gold.
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>> If you had vision pros on, it' be even
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harder.
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>> This is this is showbiz, baby. But yeah,
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so that's that's all the reasons why.
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>> That's a good bonus episode. One mic.
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>> That's actually a Nas song. All right,
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next question.
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comes to us from Claire Cole.
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>> Is David's Fedverse corner dead?
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>> Um, I can bring it back
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>> figuratively.
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>> Is it the corner that's dead or the
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Fedverse that's dead?
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>> Um, mostly corner.
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>> The Fedverse is definitely No, no, no,
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no.
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>> Welcome to David's Fedverse corner.
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>> Welcome to David Fiver. We're back. Uh,
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>> give us a quick update.
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>> Meta has probably given up on it because
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Mark Zuckerberg sucks.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Uh, and they just don't care anymore.
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And that's sad. But I did go to the Blue
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Sky atmosphere conference in Vancouver a
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couple weeks ago. There's a lot of stuff
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happening in the atmosphere.
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>> I will say the the majority of the
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Fedverse is now made up of Blue Sky and
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RSS
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>> because threads
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>> but th you can still federate in
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threads.
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>> Yeah.
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>> But they actively try to make you not
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like I get a notification on my on my
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threads all the time that's like you've
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been federated for 30 days. Are you
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still sure that you want to keep that
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on? are you sure you want to share to
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the Federverse?
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>> And it's like they're actively trying to
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like bury that under the under a rug.
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>> That's so funny because the Fedverse is
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supposed to be this really, you know,
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not simple thing, but a simple thing to
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where all the things using it, it
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shouldn't really affect it. So the fact
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that they're saying like, "Are you sure
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you still want to do that?" Even though
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it doesn't change your threads profile
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at all.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Is a red flag.
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>> It's a big red flag. Yeah. Yeah. And I
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asked them about that and they were
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like, "Well, you know, some people like
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don't really know where their data is
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going." And I'm like, "That's so bull.
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Adam, Adam,
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>> people on the meta account are worried
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about their data.
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>> Yeah, Adam is here. Just go just go
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answer your Instagram questions. Just
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>> stay away from my stay away from my
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photo. You know what? Now that you asked
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that question, I'm bringing it back.
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Every week, we're going to have a lame
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update that is not
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>> No. Next question. Next question.
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>> Stephen, you done?
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>> All right, guys. This one's coming to
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you.
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>> Okay.
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>> Because we frequently describe things
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that happen in basketball in tech terms.
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However, Danny would really like you to
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explain the vertical tab situation
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>> in basketball terms.
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>> The vertical tab situation.
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>> Uh, it's Steph Curry.
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>> It's Steph Curry.
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>> It's Steph Curry. It's changed the game.
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>> You know, before Steph Curry came along,
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peak basketball was just what we all
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expect. You know, Michael Jordan from
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the mid-range was the greatest thing
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we'd ever seen.
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>> Horizontal tabs are Michael Jordan.
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>> Yes.
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>> Greatest of all time.
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>> However, the game has changed. It simply
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has evolved and we've realized that
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there's a more efficient way to get more
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done and that is to shoot from further
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away. And that's exactly what happened
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with vertical tabs. We went, "Oh, wait.
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It's widescreen. Duh. We could be doing
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this better." And now everyone shoots
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threes the same way that you know the
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game has moved on.
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>> Even Andre Drummond shoots threes. We
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were talking about
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>> We just learned that. Yeah. I did not
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realize how many threes the rebounding
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goat was shooting.
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>> Yeah. I I do have the exact number this
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season. Look, it's not, you know, as
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many as you would hope, but it's 1.4 a
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game.
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>> That's a lot more than I expected.
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>> It's a lot more. And he's making them at
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about 36% clip. So, you know, Andre
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Drummond has a three-point in his bag.
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He made two last night.
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>> Now, is it is it just wide open corner
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threes or is he like doing dribble
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handoffs and like stepping out of screen
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and roll like backing out and like step
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back threes and stuff or what does he
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do? So, Andre Drummond uh is a 12year
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NBA veteran in his mid mid30s. Yeah.
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Approaching 7 feet tall if not over.
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>> Yep.
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>> Um no,
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>> Andre Drummond is in the corner. He gets
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past a ball and the defense goes, he's
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not going to make that. And then he
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does, baby.
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>> I love that.
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>> Wait, so he's shooting 36% and averaging
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1.3 three-point attempts per game.
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>> Four per game. Yeah. Yeah.
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>> So, he makes a three-pointer once every
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three games.
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>> Yes.
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Remember it in for the past like 12 I
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forget if it's 12 or 14.
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>> That's the vertical tab right there.
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>> He averaged one per season.
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>> Oh.
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>> Not one made.
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>> Yeah.
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>> One attempt per season.
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>> That's the Andre Drummond I know.
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>> So, he's shot he's shot 60 or 70 this
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season and made 20.
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>> Confused.
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>> No. In the
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>> Don't don't talk about Andre D. He's
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slandering vertical tabs by doing this
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team. He's
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>> on slandering vertical tabs right now.
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>> It's because he's 7 ft tall. So it's
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like anything vertical is
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>> approaching 7 ft tall.
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>> I think he's 7 ft.
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>> Yeah. And has to
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>> Is he approaching or is he done growing?
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>> That's what I was confused about when he
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said approaching 7 ft.
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>> He could still be approaching 7 ft.
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>> He's old enough now where he's done
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growing.
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>> Yeah. Well, Mike,
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>> okay, I just want to say Underdom is
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611. I think approaching seven feet is
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the perfect way to describe that.
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>> He's not still growing.
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>> All right. Well,
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>> what
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>> the game's changing, David. We don't
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>> All I'm saying is Mike Bby would have
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made those threes.
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>> Oh my god.
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>> Nice. Good reference. Love it. All
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right. Next question comes from Poncho.
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>> What was the first piece of tech that
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you hacked, modified, or took apart?
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>> Motor droid.
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>> HC Droid RS.
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>> Really?
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>> Mhm.
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>> Uh, does like a computer count? What
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What computer do you remember? I It was
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a custombuilt computer. My friends in
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first grade, my friend's dad built
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computers for um movie studios as like
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that was his job. So, we built them with
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him sometimes.
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>> I built one earlier,
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>> but this was take I never took it apart
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after
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>> cuz I was not going to try that variable
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again at that age.
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>> It worked.
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>> The first one I heavily modified was
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definitely my first uh smartphone for
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sure.
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>> Yeah, I had my Droid running custom
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ROMs, custom kernels, overclocked. I had
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I probably flashed a new ROM every other
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day. I was going to say it worked every
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other day because
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>> I did the nightlies on Sanagen mod
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>> and it's crazy cuz that wipes all your
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data
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>> every time.
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>> Every single time. And it was nightly
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and I was like I can't wait for the new
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build.
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>> Every morning you have to log into
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everything again. It was such a I don't
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know what the hell I was thinking.
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>> Those were the days. Those are the days.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Oh, I painted an Xbox once which I had
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to take apart.
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>> Oh, I wanted to do that so bad to make
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it white and blue. Mine was orange and
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you had to like take the circle with the
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green Xbox out and like acetone, but I
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couldn't find acetone, so I just
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sandpapered it and totally screwed it
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up. And then the paint I used was way
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too thick and then my Xbox just looked
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like hot garbage for a while.
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>> But did you put it back together and it
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worked?
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>> It worked. Yeah. It just had like a
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quarter inch of orange paint all over
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it.
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>> I did that to a keyboard. One of my
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first keyboards that I like heavily
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modified. It was like a Cooler Master
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keyboard uh with like Toer switches or
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something and I painted it with spray
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paint. Horrible idea.
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>> Spray paint.
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>> The texture was like tacky and like it
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would slightly sticky. Like if you like
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put your thumbnail in it, it would like
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make an indent.
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>> Yeah, it was terrible. It was stupid. I
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It was like neon uh blue that I painted
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it in purple.
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>> Yeah. I modded a lot of Minecraft stuff
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and then a bunch of weird stuff as a
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kid. But like the big breakthrough
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moment for me was my some point in
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college getting an old my first VCR that
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was just someone like I think this is
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broken. Do you want this? And I was like
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sure and it would spit out tapes all the
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time and so I I took it apart and took
00:14:16
the IR sensor out and I think I just
00:14:18
literally soldered the two connections
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together
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>> and uh and then it worked and I was
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like, "Oh my god."
00:14:24
>> How old were you that you had access to
00:14:25
soldering? This was like I must have I
00:14:27
was in Philly so it must have been like
00:14:29
my junior year of college something like
00:14:30
that.
00:14:30
>> I was I was picturing like a first
00:14:32
grader soldering.
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>> Whoa.
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>> I was not that cool.
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>> My first one I remember I was like four
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or five and it was a CRT TV that I took
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apart.
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>> No, do not take apart a CRT TV.
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>> I was seven and I did my dryer.
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I did fully disassemble a dryer once uh
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before googling how to disassemble a
00:14:54
dryer and then finding out that that was
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the last thing I should have done.
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>> Is it really dangerous or something?
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>> It's unbeliev you you can electrocute
00:15:01
yourself to death
00:15:02
>> in like nine ways.
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>> Even when it's unplugged, you can
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electrocute yourself to death.
00:15:07
>> How?
00:15:07
>> That's true about a CRT also, right?
00:15:08
>> It is true about a CRT.
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>> How?
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>> Um
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>> capacitors.
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>> Yeah, there's capacitors in there.
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Capacitors and transformers that store a
00:15:16
lethal charge. And if you if you I mean
00:15:19
I don't want to never mind. Just don't
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do it.
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>> Don't do it.
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>> And if you're going to do it,
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>> no, don't. If you're going to do it,
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don't.
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>> This one comes from Owen McCarti
00:15:29
specifically for Marquez. And it was a
00:15:32
long question, so I'm going to
00:15:33
summarize. How do you script your
00:15:35
videos? Because he's a small content
00:15:37
creator and he's trying to like work
00:15:38
through that part of the the process.
00:15:41
Uh the literal answer is I just spew I
00:15:46
just like word vomit into a dock in it's
00:15:49
kind of just like a train of thought. Uh
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and then I refine that into kind of how
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I speak. I've gotten really good at
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writing how I talk. So I write out
00:16:00
literally how I want to say things, how
00:16:02
I want to explain things. And then in
00:16:04
the actual recording process, I have
00:16:06
that doc on my phone in front of me,
00:16:07
usually on a table next to me or
00:16:09
literally on my lap. And I'll read what
00:16:11
I want to say and then put it down and
00:16:13
then deliver it pretty close to word for
00:16:15
word, not exactly perfect, but as long
00:16:17
as I get the point across that I meant
00:16:18
to say when I wrote it down, then it's a
00:16:21
success. So, it's not perfectly
00:16:23
scripted, but it's kind of like writing
00:16:26
a conversation down as I talk, if that
00:16:30
makes sense.
00:16:32
>> Yeah. podcast totally different. We're a
00:16:34
lot of bullet points on here.
00:16:36
>> It's perfectly scripted.
00:16:38
>> Get the big the really important numbers
00:16:39
in. But I mean,
00:16:40
>> if you're trying to figure out what you
00:16:42
should do, you should try a couple
00:16:45
different ways and then watch the videos
00:16:46
and be like, which one of these felt
00:16:48
like it worked the best because some
00:16:50
people can do bullet points, some people
00:16:51
need to read straight from a script.
00:16:53
>> I will say you learn by doing. So, you
00:16:56
might think you need to script
00:16:58
everything and then you you watch
00:17:00
yourself back reading from a script and
00:17:01
it's super unnatural and that doesn't
00:17:02
work for you. I think the best tip
00:17:04
really just to just to skip the whole
00:17:06
scripting process is to try to get good
00:17:09
at talking to a camera like it's a
00:17:10
person,
00:17:11
>> right?
00:17:12
>> And then if you need to write some
00:17:13
things down to remember them, that's
00:17:14
good. If you need to write it down
00:17:15
verbatim, that that might be you. But
00:17:18
like the whole point of scripting for me
00:17:21
is to get good at saying the thing I
00:17:23
want to say in as few takes as possible
00:17:25
efficiently. But it's really just about
00:17:26
delivery. Yeah. I think is most people
00:17:28
when they're new to talking to the
00:17:29
camera, they they are annunciating in
00:17:31
weird ways and for some reason there's
00:17:33
like a disconnect there.
00:17:35
>> But if you're able to just figure out
00:17:36
how to have a natural conversation and
00:17:39
look straight ahead of you.
00:17:40
>> Yeah.
00:17:40
>> Then that's when people connect with you
00:17:42
the most,
00:17:42
>> which is not normal and very normal.
00:17:45
It's hard. It takes a long time.
00:17:47
>> Yeah. I mean, Marquez has been doing
00:17:48
this for how long
00:17:50
>> in the old videos? There's probably
00:17:52
sometimes where it's like five to 10
00:17:54
takes of a single paragraph. It's you
00:17:56
see the end result. There's a lot more
00:17:58
on the other side of that.
00:17:59
>> Yeah. The next two I'm going to read
00:18:01
together because they're different but
00:18:03
both kind of like inside baseball
00:18:05
podcast producing questions.
00:18:07
>> Um
00:18:09
player's calling me. Uh
00:18:10
>> oh. Uh
00:18:11
>> oh. Uh
00:18:12
>> oh. Live on the pod. Andrew's breaking
00:18:15
live.
00:18:16
>> Hello.
00:18:17
>> Hi.
00:18:17
>> Hey.
00:18:19
>> What you doing? Uh, middle of podcast,
00:18:21
but I can leave it.
00:18:22
>> Oh, is the podcast today?
00:18:24
>> A second one. Oh, sorry. Is this not a
00:18:27
uh
00:18:28
>> come home call?
00:18:30
>> No, it kind of is.
00:18:31
>> Oh, okay.
00:18:32
>> Wait, Andrew, put your headphones on
00:18:33
real quick.
00:18:39
>> Cool. Um,
00:18:42
>> thank you all. I'm going to go have a
00:18:44
son. Enjoy the rest of the
00:18:47
>> is the surface.
00:18:49
>> That's crazy. Like you could sometimes
00:18:50
like someone leaves a video and comes
00:18:52
back and they have a different shirt.
00:18:53
That's like a mild transformation.
00:18:54
Sometimes sometimes they leave and they
00:18:57
come back the next episode and they have
00:18:59
a different haircut and you're like,
00:19:00
"Wow, they changed a lot."
00:19:02
>> Sometimes Andrew leaves the father of
00:19:05
one and returns the father of two. Huge
00:19:08
transformation. All right. So, I don't
00:19:10
know how much of that is going to make
00:19:11
it into the podcast, but what did just
00:19:13
happen is Andrew just got a phone call
00:19:15
and he had to go leave and have a son.
00:19:18
So,
00:19:18
>> that's crazy.
00:19:19
>> Now, literally, we've adjusted the
00:19:22
cameras and uh David and I will continue
00:19:25
answering questions.
00:19:25
>> You know, somebody had a baby live on
00:19:27
Twitch for the first time. I think we
00:19:29
might be the first podcast to have a
00:19:30
baby live on a podcast.
00:19:33
>> Yeah, kind of. Kind of.
00:19:34
>> There's no way we're first to that.
00:19:36
That's only if Andrew comes back to this
00:19:38
podcast and is a father of two. Wouldn't
00:19:41
that be crazy in one episode?
00:19:42
>> If he came back next week,
00:19:44
>> if he comes back just at the end of this
00:19:45
episode and he's like, "By the way,
00:19:46
>> now I have two kids."
00:19:47
>> Normally, it takes nine months for that
00:19:49
to happen.
00:19:49
>> Yeah. He just did it in a day.
00:19:51
>> Andrew just did it in a day. All right.
00:19:52
Well, yeah.
00:19:53
>> Do we want to do the inside baseball
00:19:54
podcast questions still?
00:19:56
>> Sure.
00:19:56
>> All right. Sweet. Uh, so these are are
00:19:58
two sort of similar questions. I wanted
00:20:00
to ask them together. Chris asks, "Why
00:20:02
is the audio podcast available so much
00:20:05
sooner
00:20:06
>> than the video podcast?" Meanwhile, Sean
00:20:09
Paul
00:20:11
>> says,
00:20:11
>> "Not that, Sean."
00:20:12
>> Sean_Paul
00:20:14
on X, excuse me, Jesus.
00:20:17
>> Twitter.
00:20:18
>> Sean_Paul on Twitter.
00:20:20
>> Nice.
00:20:20
>> Asks, "What does being part of the Vox
00:20:22
Media podcast network actually entail?"
00:20:25
>> Valid question.
00:20:27
>> Adam, do you want to do the audio
00:20:28
episode one?
00:20:29
>> Sure. So, the audio part of this happens
00:20:32
because I don't know how this actually
00:20:34
started. I think it was Studio 71 when
00:20:36
you guys were initially planning it came
00:20:37
up with a time that was like, "We'll
00:20:39
launch at 4:00 a.m. because we'll hit
00:20:42
like every major time zone at a
00:20:44
decentish time, you know?" Yeah.
00:20:46
>> And that works fine for for audio, but
00:20:50
then when we started doing video as
00:20:52
well, it's like publishing at 4:00 a.m.
00:20:54
Eastern time is a little weird. So, we
00:20:56
had a discussion. And we were like, do
00:20:58
we just like move the whole publish time
00:21:02
entirely? And we were like, no, people
00:21:03
kind of like got used to expecting it
00:21:05
when it comes out. Let's just keep the
00:21:06
audio what it is and video will come out
00:21:09
when it's ready. And that's pretty much
00:21:10
what we've been doing ever since.
00:21:11
>> Yeah. I think the original 4 a.m. time
00:21:13
was like, so everyone's morning commute
00:21:15
is covered. If you're an audio only
00:21:16
listener, it's probably in your feedback
00:21:18
time you're going to work on Friday.
00:21:20
It's interesting that like the audio
00:21:22
podcast like audio podcast are something
00:21:24
people consume with a some sort of
00:21:26
regularity and we can like sort of plan
00:21:28
around that whereas YouTube videos it's
00:21:30
like I'm going to watch a YouTube video.
00:21:32
>> Yeah. And I also we collectively don't
00:21:35
trust automatically publishing on
00:21:37
YouTube.
00:21:37
>> Yeah.
00:21:38
>> So we manually publish.
00:21:39
>> It gets time zones wrong all the time
00:21:41
somehow and Yeah. Or at least it did
00:21:43
when we were you know publishing a lot.
00:21:44
>> Now the Vox Media Podcast Network
00:21:46
question is another interesting one. Um,
00:21:48
essentially it just means that we are
00:21:50
part of a larger group of podcasts
00:21:53
uh to which you can go to to buy ads
00:21:57
basically. So Vox Media Podcast Network
00:21:59
sells the ads that you see that support
00:22:01
this show. And when you're part of a
00:22:04
larger group of podcasts, what that
00:22:05
means is someone like Vox Media can
00:22:08
bring a group of shows to an advertiser
00:22:11
and say, "Look at all these tech shows
00:22:12
that we have." and you can reach all
00:22:14
these audiences with one fell swoop
00:22:16
basically. So, it's a nice advantage
00:22:18
there.
00:22:19
>> Um, and they've been great support for
00:22:21
some of the stuff we've done with the
00:22:22
live shows and some other fun stuff we
00:22:24
wanted to do. So, it's uh it's all good
00:22:26
friendly uh support for the show.
00:22:28
>> If you want to reach Waveform's audience
00:22:30
and Esther Pel's audience at the same
00:22:32
time, you know where to go.
00:22:34
>> Vox Media Podcast Network.
00:22:35
>> Media Podcast Network. Guys, this is a
00:22:37
great question for you too because you
00:22:39
both have been getting shipped review
00:22:41
units for quite some time.
00:22:43
>> Marquez, I think I know what you would
00:22:46
probably answer this question as I would
00:22:48
love to hear.
00:22:49
>> It's a terrible way to say that, but
00:22:50
what's the most expensive tech you've
00:22:53
broken while reviewing?
00:22:57
>> I will also substitute this for any fun
00:22:59
oops, I broke this while reviewing it
00:23:01
stories you may have.
00:23:03
>> Yeah. Well, what do you think I would
00:23:06
say?
00:23:06
>> I assumed you were gonna say the
00:23:08
classic.
00:23:09
>> Why did this ship with a screen
00:23:10
protector?
00:23:12
>> Oh,
00:23:12
>> that is a that is a classic. How much
00:23:14
was that when it came out? The first
00:23:15
>> fold.
00:23:17
>> So, if you if you weren't around for
00:23:19
that, um, what Ellis is referring to is
00:23:22
the first ever Samsung Galaxy Fold. It's
00:23:25
kind of a big deal. It was a phone that
00:23:26
folded in half and there was a lot of
00:23:27
unknowns about it. and I shot my
00:23:29
unboxing video. And the way it went is I
00:23:32
actually shot my entire unboxing and
00:23:34
first look video, edited it all
00:23:37
together, got it ready for upload, and
00:23:40
then as I was going to upload, I said I
00:23:42
need to shoot a thumbnail. What I'll do
00:23:44
is I'll take the screen protector off
00:23:46
and take a photo of it. So, I upload the
00:23:48
video and then I start to peel the
00:23:49
screen protector off and then some
00:23:52
pixels start to go black and then I peel
00:23:54
it a little further and more of it
00:23:56
starts to go black and I'm like, whoa,
00:23:57
wait a minute. This is weird. What's
00:23:59
going on?
00:24:00
>> Turns out that top layer uh we didn't
00:24:02
really know at the time and it wasn't
00:24:04
really explained to any of us, but was a
00:24:06
very delicate layer of the actual
00:24:08
display.
00:24:09
>> Yeah.
00:24:10
>> Uh so I clear
00:24:12
>> Yeah. quickly put it back on. I
00:24:15
published the unboxing and first look
00:24:16
still, but then uh I started to see
00:24:19
other people post on Twitter that their
00:24:23
displays were breaking. So I chimed in
00:24:25
and I said, I mine is also breaking
00:24:27
because of this this top layer coming
00:24:29
off. And other people had essentially
00:24:31
tried the same thing as me. They tried
00:24:32
to take the top layer off. So yeah, I
00:24:33
broke it. A couple other people broke
00:24:35
it. We all sent it back. Samsung had an
00:24:37
internal crisis. They fixed it. They
00:24:39
revised it and shipped it a couple weeks
00:24:40
later.
00:24:41
>> But that gaskets to it.
00:24:43
>> Yeah, they added a bunch of stuff.
00:24:44
>> Yeah.
00:24:44
>> So that was $1,800 phone broken during
00:24:47
the review process. And I actually never
00:24:49
reviewed that phone later. They really
00:24:51
cuz I shipped it back to them. They took
00:24:52
them all back.
00:24:53
>> Wow. So yeah, that that might be my
00:24:56
answer. 1,800 bucks.
00:24:57
>> I remember I flew to Vancouver to do the
00:24:59
hands-on video for that and I shot it
00:25:02
and then like as I was editing it, you
00:25:04
tweeted about that happening. So I had
00:25:07
to revise my I had like I added to my
00:25:09
video and I was like, "Okay, breaking
00:25:11
news. Uh Marquez broke his and and deer
00:25:16
broke his and then I'm editing again and
00:25:17
then Samsung releases a statement. We're
00:25:20
delaying this now." And I was like
00:25:22
breaking news again. So, in one video
00:25:24
there's like three segments of me being
00:25:26
like, "Actually, actually, actually
00:25:27
actually."
00:25:27
>> Yeah. In like different locations and
00:25:29
everything.
00:25:29
>> Yeah. Yeah. Uh, the most expensive
00:25:33
review unit I ever broke was uh the
00:25:34
Galaxy Note
00:25:37
10.
00:25:38
It was like completely made of glass and
00:25:41
the the front and back, both like the
00:25:44
glass kind of like beveled around the
00:25:45
backs. And I was at a pizza parlor like
00:25:49
the day I got it in New York and I uh I
00:25:52
was sitting at a high top and
00:25:55
>> I can see where this is going.
00:25:56
>> It like it had this coating on it that
00:25:58
made it slippery.
00:25:59
>> Yeah. The note. Yeah.
00:26:00
>> Yeah.
00:26:01
>> Yeah.
00:26:02
>> Yep. And it's in your pocket.
00:26:03
>> Uh no, I had it on the table.
00:26:05
>> Oh.
00:26:06
>> But it was like one of those metal
00:26:07
tables.
00:26:08
>> I think a lot of people don't realize
00:26:09
how many phones just slowly slide across
00:26:11
metal surfaces
00:26:12
>> just autonomously.
00:26:13
>> Yeah. It was just slowly kind of moving
00:26:15
and I didn't know.
00:26:16
>> The world is not level.
00:26:18
>> Yeah. And it fell from like 4 feet or
00:26:20
whatever and because it had the glass
00:26:23
that sort of like beveled over all
00:26:25
sides, it hit the corner and just like
00:26:27
cracked up the whole side.
00:26:28
>> Yeah.
00:26:29
>> Uh and then I tweeted about it and then
00:26:31
I got a really angry call from Samsung.
00:26:33
>> Yeah.
00:26:34
>> As if it was your fault.
00:26:35
>> Was this necessary? And I was like, "No.
00:26:38
>> Is anything necessary?"
00:26:39
>> You made your phone be slip and slide. I
00:26:42
literally and the crazy thing I think
00:26:43
earlier that day I had tweeted like damn
00:26:45
this phone seems like it's going to be
00:26:46
the most fragile phone that Samsung's
00:26:48
ever made and then lo and behold
00:26:51
>> yeah it was
00:26:52
>> I've had various scares like that.
00:26:53
Luckily a lot of the carpet in the
00:26:55
studio where we shoot is is carpeted.
00:26:57
Yeah.
00:26:58
>> Uh which is nice. I don't know what what
00:27:00
did I just say? A lot of the carpet is
00:27:01
carpeted.
00:27:02
>> A lot of the carpet
00:27:03
>> a lot of the studio where we shoot is
00:27:05
carpeted. Right. Uh, I've come into the
00:27:08
studio and seen like three phones on the
00:27:09
floor next to my desk and I realized
00:27:11
that they'd slid off my desk.
00:27:13
>> That's crazy.
00:27:13
>> Which is why a lot of you know I have a
00:27:15
mouse pad on my desk now that I put
00:27:16
phones on.
00:27:17
>> Grippy mouse pad.
00:27:18
>> Yeah.
00:27:19
>> This is from Alex. Will you be doing any
00:27:22
content around the World Cup this
00:27:24
summer? Lots of cool tech used in
00:27:26
soccer.
00:27:26
>> Oh, I did learn that recently. And I
00:27:30
learned that because I was digging into
00:27:32
if we should make a video on some other
00:27:34
stuff.
00:27:35
I think what I might end up doing is
00:27:37
just focusing on the coolest individual
00:27:39
thing that I find. I'm not sure what
00:27:40
that's going to be yet, but I am now
00:27:42
aware just like Alex is of a bunch of
00:27:45
cool tech being used in the World Cup,
00:27:46
which some of you might know the finals
00:27:48
are going to be 30 minutes from this
00:27:51
studio.
00:27:51
>> It's going to ruin traffic for a long
00:27:54
time.
00:27:54
>> I need to rent out my apartment and get
00:27:55
the hell out of here.
00:27:57
>> Yeah. Make it an Airbnb for whatever
00:27:59
week or two so somebody can pay you a
00:28:01
ridiculous amount of money
00:28:02
>> and then Yeah, it'll it'll happen.
00:28:05
>> Yeah.
00:28:05
>> Yeah.
00:28:06
>> Uh you got to beat Cleo Abram to the
00:28:08
video though cuz she always does the
00:28:09
tech of sports videos.
00:28:10
>> Of course. Of course. Maybe it's a
00:28:12
collab.
00:28:12
>> You should collab.
00:28:13
>> Yeah.
00:28:14
>> Yeah.
00:28:14
>> You heard it first on this podcast.
00:28:16
>> Yeah. Yeah.
00:28:17
>> This one got asked by a lot of people.
00:28:20
Uh and it's going to become a big fight
00:28:22
between Adam and I on one microphone.
00:28:24
Oh, you also have the same question
00:28:26
pulled up cuz I
00:28:28
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so you guys can
00:28:29
decide who's more right. Um and why it's
00:28:32
me, which is
00:28:34
>> uh I'm reading Katie, but it looks like
00:28:36
someone named the man, the myth, the
00:28:38
legend also asked this question to say
00:28:40
it's not the same person.
00:28:41
>> Why does Ellis hate frequency response
00:28:43
charts so much?
00:28:45
>> Ah,
00:28:46
>> can we first explain what a frequency
00:28:48
response chart is for people?
00:28:49
>> Yes.
00:28:50
>> A frequency response chart.
00:28:52
>> Should Ellis be the one explaining that?
00:28:55
It's just short.
00:28:57
>> It doesn't mean anything important.
00:28:59
Sounds like a bee's
00:29:01
>> Okay. Okay. Okay.
00:29:02
>> Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. A frequency
00:29:04
response chart is an XY. It's a
00:29:07
function. I guess it's not technically a
00:29:09
function, but it's a it's a curve
00:29:11
plotted on an XY graph where the Yaxis
00:29:15
is volume or loudness or amplitude. I
00:29:18
can't believe I just said volume. That's
00:29:19
one of my biggest pet peeves. So, I'm
00:29:21
already off to the races.
00:29:24
>> Um,
00:29:24
>> is it a knob or a jog wheel?
00:29:26
>> Well, it's loudness, which is very
00:29:28
different than volume. And
00:29:30
>> the x-axis,
00:29:32
>> yeah,
00:29:32
>> is frequency from usually about 20 hertz
00:29:35
to usually about 20,000 hertz.
00:29:37
>> Mhm.
00:29:39
>> This line represents how much loudness,
00:29:43
how many decb are added or subtracted
00:29:45
from a device like a loudspeaker or a
00:29:48
microphone at a given frequency. So, if
00:29:51
something has like a big spike at around
00:29:54
3K, 3000 hertz, you know that that
00:29:56
device is either going to be receiving
00:29:58
or outputting 3K at a much louder volume
00:30:02
than other frequencies.
00:30:04
>> Yeah.
00:30:05
>> Cool. Do is that is that satisfactory,
00:30:08
Adam?
00:30:08
>> Yeah.
00:30:10
>> All right, David,
00:30:14
do me a favor. Think about the the your
00:30:16
your favorite photograph you've ever
00:30:18
taken. not not the best, but the
00:30:20
photograph that you you took
00:30:22
>> that just really like moves you, you
00:30:25
know, that you think like every time I
00:30:26
look at this, I get excited about
00:30:28
photography and and how good a job I did
00:30:30
and and just like, wow, I really have
00:30:31
come so far in this practice. Right? You
00:30:33
you have the picture in your head.
00:30:34
>> There's a twinkle in your eye.
00:30:35
>> I want you I want you to describe the
00:30:38
picture to Marquez, but you are only
00:30:41
allowed to describe it in terms of how
00:30:43
much red there is.
00:30:46
>> That's not fair. There's some orange in
00:30:48
the photo.
00:30:48
>> No, not orange. But red. We're thinking
00:30:51
about red.
00:30:52
>> Desaturated red.
00:30:53
>> How?
00:30:54
>> No, no, but just give me a number.
00:30:55
>> What?
00:30:56
>> Like from 1 to 10, how much red is
00:30:58
there?
00:30:58
>> 1.2.
00:30:59
>> All right, Marquez, can you describe the
00:31:02
picture to me?
00:31:04
>> I'm seeing it. I'm seeing it now.
00:31:07
>> This is a frequency response chart.
00:31:09
Okay. It is really good at explaining a
00:31:12
very small
00:31:15
very small modicum of information that
00:31:18
can be useful that has these like very
00:31:20
specific uses that when you're directly
00:31:23
comparing No, I'm not even going to go
00:31:25
that far. If you're trying to find a
00:31:26
very specific piece of information, the
00:31:28
frequency response chart is where you
00:31:30
will find it.
00:31:32
If you are trying to express the sensory
00:31:35
experience of listening to something,
00:31:38
>> it's the exact same as being like, "Look
00:31:40
at this picture. How much red is in it?
00:31:43
That's the picture."
00:31:44
>> I think most people see these charts in
00:31:47
headphone reviews, right?
00:31:48
>> Yes.
00:31:48
>> So, you'll see a pair of headphones uh
00:31:50
maybe compared to another pair of
00:31:52
headphones and they'll put the frequency
00:31:53
response charts next to each other and
00:31:55
go, "See, look how much more subbased
00:31:57
response there is in these headphones
00:31:58
because the chart's higher over here
00:32:00
than the other one." Is that valid? It
00:32:02
>> No, because David, think of the second
00:32:04
best photograph you've ever taken.
00:32:07
>> Now, think about how much red is in
00:32:08
that.
00:32:09
>> Okay.
00:32:09
>> Is that a good way to compare those two
00:32:11
photographs?
00:32:12
>> Well, if you're looking specifically at
00:32:14
how much red is in it, then yes.
00:32:16
>> Yeah. But that's but you don't you don't
00:32:18
usually the point of a photograph is not
00:32:20
how much red is in it.
00:32:22
>> I think your argument your argument is
00:32:23
the frequency response is a unimportant
00:32:26
factor. I wouldn't say it's necessarily
00:32:28
unimportant, but it's leaving out most
00:32:30
of the story because what does sound
00:32:34
need in order to exist?
00:32:36
>> Needs a medium.
00:32:37
>> Well, it needs time. That's actually a
00:32:39
really good point. That's bigger brain
00:32:40
than I was going to say. I I was going
00:32:41
to say it needs time.
00:32:43
>> Mhm.
00:32:44
>> Like there's no such thing as a paused
00:32:46
sound. A sound can only exist over a
00:32:49
spread of time.
00:32:49
>> I have a good analogy for this.
00:32:50
>> What is missing from the frequency
00:32:52
response chart?
00:32:54
>> Yeah. Yeah, the resp how fast the
00:32:55
response
00:32:55
>> how fast it is. The another thing that's
00:32:57
missing is like this is sort of the idea
00:32:59
of like like you can you can you can
00:33:02
think of sound as like oh there's more
00:33:05
3K than there is 600. So we can do a
00:33:09
little bump here.
00:33:10
>> But but that's that's assuming that
00:33:12
you're giving it one flat input of 0 dB.
00:33:15
All these speakers, all these
00:33:16
headphones, they have these nonlinear
00:33:18
curves. Like you might get a bigger
00:33:20
boost at 3k from a sound coming in at
00:33:23
minus 10 dB LFS than a sound at minus
00:33:29
20, you know, like like like there
00:33:31
there's different sensitivities. There's
00:33:32
different ranges there. There's almost
00:33:34
like each one of these frequencies is
00:33:35
going through its own lookup table,
00:33:37
right? And so just saying like there's
00:33:39
more 3K actually says nothing about how
00:33:43
you would perceive these headphones. You
00:33:45
can see a fre two frequency response
00:33:47
charts of a headphone and see one of
00:33:49
them that has like a crazy boost in the
00:33:51
high-end and then you'll put them on and
00:33:52
it will not sound significantly brighter
00:33:55
because that boost might only be for
00:33:57
really loud sounds or it might only be
00:33:59
for really slow sounds or it might only
00:34:01
be for really fast like it there's so
00:34:03
much information
00:34:04
>> Yeah.
00:34:04
>> that is like left out of this this thing
00:34:06
that if you're if you're
00:34:08
>> I will say like a great example is
00:34:12
sometimes
00:34:13
>> Mhm. They're useful with microphones,
00:34:15
you know what I mean? Like what is this
00:34:17
microphone good at picking up? But even
00:34:19
then, the parts of microphones that sort
00:34:21
of give them their really distinct
00:34:22
sound, I don't think are captured in
00:34:24
frequency response charts because the
00:34:26
dynamic range information is missing.
00:34:28
And I just want to follow this up with
00:34:29
one other thing. A lot of people ask
00:34:30
like, well, Ellis, like we use
00:34:32
spectrographs all the time, and you
00:34:36
don't seem to have a problem with those.
00:34:37
And I don't. I really like
00:34:38
spectrographs, but spectrographs a have
00:34:40
a time. the the x- axis is time in a
00:34:43
specttoraph, right? The y- axis is
00:34:45
frequency. And the point of a
00:34:46
spectrograph is to be able to visualize
00:34:49
a specific sound, not a device. Um, so
00:34:53
when you need to understand like I'm
00:34:54
hearing this sound, where am I actually
00:34:57
hearing things? Spectroraph really
00:34:59
awesome. There's nothing that a
00:35:01
specttoraph can do to explain speakers
00:35:03
or headphones or microphones.
00:35:05
>> All very valid, I think.
00:35:08
Yeah, I I I actually get a lot of flack
00:35:11
sometimes for not putting as much
00:35:13
benchmark information and graphs in my
00:35:16
reviews and instead I rely on describing
00:35:20
the sounds, the feelings, the materials
00:35:22
and things like that because I think
00:35:23
that works when I'm talking to a regular
00:35:25
person more important. But I do I do
00:35:28
hear from people who are like, "Yeah,
00:35:29
but you got to measure this and really
00:35:31
be able to back it up." And sometimes we
00:35:32
even do measure it and don't include
00:35:33
that in the video. Uh, but I think a lot
00:35:36
of that is the reason why, and the
00:35:38
analogy I thought of as you were talking
00:35:40
is it's like trying to compare two cars
00:35:42
with just the horsepower number.
00:35:45
>> Yes. or just the 0 to 60, which
00:35:49
>> could tell you that one of them is more
00:35:51
powerful than the other and maybe is
00:35:53
faster, but when you line them up over a
00:35:55
quarter mile, the the way they behave,
00:35:58
the way they go through gears, if they
00:36:00
even have gears, that like there's so
00:36:02
many more things to consider in how they
00:36:04
will drive than just
00:36:06
>> 805 horsepower might suggest.
00:36:09
>> Yeah.
00:36:10
>> And that's the same. It's not too
00:36:11
dissimilar to MTF uh modular transfer
00:36:14
function charts on lenses which are
00:36:16
supposed to yeah they're supposed to
00:36:17
measure sharpness from like the center
00:36:19
of the lens to the edge of the lens.
00:36:21
>> That's obviously useful for like medical
00:36:23
purposes if you just like want as much
00:36:25
sharpness and fine contrast as possible.
00:36:28
>> But the actual human experience of using
00:36:30
a lens is not peak sharpness and peak
00:36:34
Exactly.
00:36:34
>> It's like the experience of the lens is
00:36:36
it's different looks and you're doing
00:36:37
creative looks. It's very different. If
00:36:39
this is not enough for you and you need
00:36:41
scientific proof that I'm right, go on
00:36:44
your computer and search Fletcher Mson
00:36:46
curve. That's Fletcher. F L E T C H E R
00:36:50
M U N S O N curve. This is the frequency
00:36:54
response curve of our ears. Like the
00:36:56
most famous frequency response curve in
00:36:58
history. And you'll see there's like
00:37:00
nine lines.
00:37:02
>> Yeah.
00:37:02
>> Because our ears respond to different
00:37:04
frequencies at different volumes just
00:37:05
like every transducer. because our
00:37:08
brains are dope.
00:37:09
>> Well, it just goes to show when you
00:37:12
actually need a frequency response curve
00:37:13
and it's like of medical importance, you
00:37:16
don't use these silly little oneline
00:37:18
nonsense burgers. You use the big the
00:37:21
big Chad dynamic range measurer, you
00:37:24
know.
00:37:24
>> Adam, do you have a response?
00:37:25
>> My response is one, headphones use these
00:37:29
curves as well to they account for this.
00:37:31
It's not like they don't think of this
00:37:32
stuff, the people that make these. Uh
00:37:34
there's like the Harman Cardon curve.
00:37:35
There's a bunch of these. Um, but two,
00:37:39
you're talking about frequency response
00:37:41
graphs and sound as if it's art, but
00:37:44
that's not art. It's science. Music is
00:37:47
art.
00:37:48
>> The way that the speaker moves and
00:37:50
pushes air, we can measure. And if you
00:37:53
are comparing two things, if I have one
00:37:55
speaker that does the exact amount of
00:37:58
air as another speaker, me personally
00:38:01
know that speaker will sound the same to
00:38:03
me. Not to you, not to anyone else in
00:38:05
this room, but to me, those two speakers
00:38:08
will sound the same. Everyone's ears are
00:38:10
different, but the speakers aren't. I
00:38:11
mean, they are because there's like
00:38:12
minute differences in how we make things
00:38:14
and nothing's perfect, whatever, blah,
00:38:15
blah, blah.
00:38:16
>> An asterisk, which is if you play the
00:38:18
exact same sound at the exact same
00:38:21
volume.
00:38:22
>> Yes. Which is why when you're testing
00:38:24
headphones, you usually play the same
00:38:25
songs, you usually play the same things
00:38:27
because you want to compare them AB.
00:38:29
You're not like nothing's in a vacuum.
00:38:31
you're comparing these things and
00:38:32
frequency graphs in particular are
00:38:34
useful for the internet. Not when you're
00:38:36
like talking about if we're in person
00:38:38
and we're talking about headphones, like
00:38:40
just try the headphones. Trying the
00:38:41
headphones will always be the best thing
00:38:43
you can do.
00:38:43
>> Yeah.
00:38:44
>> Unfortunately, not everyone has access
00:38:45
to very expensive headphones all over
00:38:47
the world.
00:38:47
>> Exactly.
00:38:48
>> The next best thing is how we share
00:38:50
information on the internet are these
00:38:51
graphs. If you have a pair of headphones
00:38:53
you have access to and you can try them
00:38:55
on and you can see their frequency
00:38:56
response and there's another trusted
00:38:58
source that uses this technology to
00:39:00
measure the exact same frequency
00:39:02
responses in another pair of headphones
00:39:04
that you don't have access to and
00:39:05
they're expensive, you can be relatively
00:39:07
confident that they're going to sound
00:39:09
more or less how your headphones are.
00:39:11
And if you have a preference, that's
00:39:12
where trying a lot of this comes into
00:39:14
play. If you have a preference with how
00:39:16
you want your headphones to sound, then
00:39:18
you know what to look for in the
00:39:19
frequency response graphs. And again,
00:39:21
that's not 100% true because you might
00:39:23
try a pair of headphones that you
00:39:24
thought you wouldn't like because of the
00:39:25
graph and then it ends up being great.
00:39:27
But that's like the the beauty of trying
00:39:30
out a bunch of different headphones.
00:39:31
That's why people fall into these rabbit
00:39:32
holes.
00:39:33
>> Yeah, it's it's hard to compare things
00:39:34
online when you can't play. You can't
00:39:36
put the headphones on their head and let
00:39:38
them hear it. So we are trying with
00:39:40
these graphs and measurements and words
00:39:42
to give them
00:39:43
>> the experience and it's hard
00:39:45
>> which is an issue that Ellis had with
00:39:47
his speaker that broke physics video
00:39:49
because everyone was like why didn't you
00:39:50
give us a test
00:39:52
>> because you don't understand the speaker
00:39:53
is pushing air which needs to be picked
00:39:55
up by a microphone which is then being
00:39:57
>> digitized
00:39:59
in your phone like you wouldn't
00:40:01
understand what it sounds like. There's
00:40:02
no way.
00:40:03
>> Yeah.
00:40:03
>> Yeah. Well, I think that we just uh
00:40:06
should start a debate club because that
00:40:08
sounded that was pretty crazy.
00:40:10
>> Adam, which one of these two microphones
00:40:12
is brighter?
00:40:13
>> Are you looking at a chart?
00:40:14
>> Yeah, I'm looking at two charts. The one
00:40:16
on the bottom is the RK87 cardioid
00:40:19
response graph chart.
00:40:20
>> RK87 is the name of the capsule. It's
00:40:22
not the these are these are two
00:40:23
different microphones. Yeah.
00:40:24
>> And their frequency responses.
00:40:26
>> And I'm looking the the first I'm trying
00:40:28
to describe for audio. So the one on top
00:40:30
is like a bump in the lows. Then it
00:40:33
slopes down a bit around 1K. And then it
00:40:35
bumps up again around 10K. Then the one
00:40:37
on the bottom is bunch of peaks and
00:40:40
valleys but pretty much flat around zero
00:40:42
all the way up until about 8 or 7K. Then
00:40:45
there's a big bump. So judging by this,
00:40:47
my guess would be the bottom one because
00:40:49
there's a bump into 10K.
00:40:54
You are technically correct. But what
00:40:57
you're missing is that this microphone
00:40:59
that you said is very flat is famously
00:41:01
the least flat microphone money can buy.
00:41:04
It's the Noman U87 AI. It famously has
00:41:07
the pointiest, most cuddy dynamic like
00:41:09
like mids of all time.
00:41:11
>> It looks like it.
00:41:12
>> No, it doesn't because the the reason is
00:41:15
is because the the the power of the U87
00:41:17
comes from an extremely limited dynamic
00:41:20
range in those mid frequencies. if it
00:41:23
nothing is going to ever get boosted,
00:41:24
but it also means that your quiet mids
00:41:26
are just going to get brought up by the
00:41:28
capsule.
00:41:29
>> So, when you hear it, it's like it's it
00:41:31
doesn't sound flat at all. You can look
00:41:32
at this almost completely flat line.
00:41:34
Think like, "Oh, I need a flat mic."
00:41:36
>> This is the exact same thing as like
00:41:38
seeing an EV with 800 horsepower and a
00:41:41
gas car with 800 horsepower. Because an
00:41:43
EV,
00:41:44
>> you also need to know that it makes all
00:41:46
of its torque instantly all the time.
00:41:49
And a and a gas car makes peak
00:41:51
horsepower at certain RPMs and also
00:41:54
builds torque over and over through the
00:41:55
different RPMs. So you can have two cars
00:41:57
that both have 800 horsepower, but you
00:41:59
put them on the line next to each other
00:42:00
and the race looks like this and you're
00:42:03
like, why why is the EV not slowing
00:42:05
down? Cuz the gears, there's gears,
00:42:07
there's different torque, there's like
00:42:08
all these other variables that are not
00:42:11
explained in this one. So you could be
00:42:13
right by looking at a graph of
00:42:14
horsepower and go, "Okay, I think the
00:42:15
one that's lighter is going to do
00:42:18
better." But like there's there's a lot
00:42:19
to it.
00:42:19
>> There's another a bunch of factors.
00:42:21
>> I'm gonna die on this hill, but I'll end
00:42:22
it with saying if you want to know how
00:42:24
something sounds, type in to google.com
00:42:27
the name of the thing and then type in
00:42:29
sound on sound and it'll take you to the
00:42:31
website of this magazine where they do
00:42:33
great gear reviews.
00:42:34
>> That's what you need.
00:42:35
>> And someone will tell you how it sounds.
00:42:36
>> Great gear reviews.
00:42:37
>> That's what you need.
00:42:38
>> I will also die on the hill if you need
00:42:39
great reviews.
00:42:40
>> Yeah. Yeah.
00:42:41
>> I know it's a shocker,
00:42:42
>> but I believe it.
00:42:43
>> Yep.
00:42:44
>> I think it's a great time to take a
00:42:45
break.
00:42:45
>> Sound of Yeah. See See you.
00:42:49
We're not doing We're not doing trivia.
00:42:51
>> Not only did we get questions for you
00:42:52
guys, but we also got a few trivia
00:42:53
questions submitted via this forum,
00:42:55
which means we have the very rare bonus
00:42:58
episode
00:42:59
>> trivia. Andreal. I have no idea how
00:43:01
we're going to make sure Andrew can get
00:43:03
points. Isn't he winning?
00:43:04
>> Yeah, he's winning by No,
00:43:05
>> I'm winning.
00:43:06
>> Oh, by a lot.
00:43:08
>> More points.
00:43:08
>> We'll keep track of point. We'll figure
00:43:10
it out later.
00:43:10
>> Yeah.
00:43:10
>> Yeah.
00:43:11
>> All right. This question comes from
00:43:13
Mojave. The question is, what was the
00:43:17
last iPad to ship with iOS? Oh, yeah.
00:43:21
Oh, I know this.
00:43:22
>> That's a good question.
00:43:24
>> Yo,
00:43:25
>> I should know this. Okay, so they
00:43:26
switched to iPad OS when they added
00:43:29
>> I'm talking my I'm talking through it
00:43:30
out loud.
00:43:31
>> Mojave,
00:43:31
>> they added widgets
00:43:33
>> to like 17,
00:43:35
>> right?
00:43:36
>> Wait, did you say which iPad?
00:43:37
>> Which iPad?
00:43:38
>> iPad.
00:43:39
>> iPad 17.
00:43:40
>> Well, iPad OS 17.
00:43:42
>> What are we on now? So, it was iOS 16
00:43:44
and then iPad OS.
00:43:45
>> Is it just iPad 2026 or whatever?
00:43:48
>> Well, then we need to know which iPad
00:43:50
came out when cuz there's like the Air
00:43:51
that comes out staggered from the Pro,
00:43:54
which comes out separate from the mini,
00:43:55
but that was definitely after.
00:43:57
And then the base iPad, which sometimes
00:43:59
comes out the same time as the Air.
00:44:00
There's no way I get this right, but I'm
00:44:02
going to try to get close. iOS 17.
00:44:07
Okay. Well, I guess did they give an
00:44:09
answer in their question? They did.
00:44:11
>> Can you verify it? Yeah, I just fact
00:44:12
checked it. He was correct.
00:44:14
>> Okay. Well, you know, we'll do the same
00:44:16
thing we usually do. Answers at the end
00:44:17
like usual. We'll be right back.
00:44:27
All right, welcome back. We've got some
00:44:29
more questions from y'all. Thank you
00:44:30
again for asking them. Hopefully, we can
00:44:32
answer as many of them as we can in this
00:44:34
pod. Go. I made a promise to myself that
00:44:37
if I didn't know how to pronounce any of
00:44:38
your names, I would Google them instead
00:44:40
of being like, I'm sorry if I
00:44:42
mispronounce this. Yeah, because I
00:44:44
really try to.
00:44:45
>> But I Googled it and I I cannot find
00:44:47
anything. So, I really hope your name is
00:44:49
Jason Abbe. And if it's Jason Abe, I
00:44:51
sincerely apologize, Jason. I could have
00:44:54
just said Jason and skipped all this.
00:44:55
>> Yeah.
00:44:58
>> This question comes from Jason
00:45:01
>> Marquez. What started your addiction to
00:45:04
weather content?
00:45:06
>> Jesus.
00:45:08
>> Small talk.
00:45:09
>> Like a lot of people.
00:45:11
>> Like a lot of people. Actually, that's
00:45:12
part of it.
00:45:14
>> But the content part I think came in the
00:45:18
last couple of years because of just you
00:45:22
fall down a rabbit hole sometimes. And
00:45:24
instead of the conspiracy theory rabbit
00:45:25
hole rabbit hole, I fell down the
00:45:27
weather content rabbit hole. I think
00:45:28
this was right around like better. Yeah.
00:45:31
big winter storms. So, we're sitting
00:45:34
here, we're sitting duck on the East
00:45:35
Coast. We get these big blizzards that
00:45:37
wipe across the country and then you
00:45:39
watch one video about the blizzards and
00:45:41
you're like, "Okay, now I know that was
00:45:43
a pretty good video." And then you get
00:45:45
another suggested video about it and
00:45:46
you're like, "All right, I'll watch this
00:45:47
one, too."
00:45:48
>> I Is it related? Because I a distinct
00:45:50
memory I have working here is like in my
00:45:52
first like two or three months of
00:45:54
working here, like I barely knew you.
00:45:56
Only knew you from the internet really.
00:45:58
Someone at lunch asked you like what
00:46:00
your bucket list items were and the
00:46:03
first one you whipped out like like no
00:46:05
hesitation you're like I want to see a
00:46:06
tornado.
00:46:07
>> Yeah.
00:46:07
>> I remember being like
00:46:09
>> what?
00:46:10
>> Interesting. Yeah. I've Well, I've
00:46:12
always wanted to observe a bunch of
00:46:13
natural phenomena. And I've always been
00:46:15
interested in natural phenomena,
00:46:17
including weather.
00:46:18
>> And every time we get a big hurricane or
00:46:21
a crazy low pressure system or even wild
00:46:24
thunderstorms or whatever, that is fun
00:46:26
for me. I love lightning and thunder. I
00:46:29
love that. So, yeah, naturally I would
00:46:32
like to see. But the tornado thing was
00:46:34
specific though cuz I worked at the
00:46:36
Liberty Science Center and I was in this
00:46:38
little exhibit a lot which was basically
00:46:40
a 360 set of displays and you step into
00:46:43
them and it would play a video of a
00:46:46
tornado coming down a path at you. an
00:46:48
actual video of a tornado passing over
00:46:50
the top of you because somebody managed
00:46:52
to go get a probe with a bunch of it was
00:46:54
like a cone with a bunch of cameras in
00:46:56
it that they put in the path of the
00:46:57
tornado and drove away.
00:46:58
>> Yeah, they move they made a movie about
00:46:59
it called Twister. You didn't see it
00:47:01
>> about the probe?
00:47:02
>> No, I'm joking.
00:47:02
>> I mean, it's it was super cool to watch
00:47:04
and the video even starts with the guy
00:47:06
like putting you on the ground and
00:47:07
driving away and then the tornado goes
00:47:08
over the top and I was like that is
00:47:11
crazy and I learned way too much about
00:47:13
tornadoes and I'm like this is the
00:47:15
craziest information anyone's ever seen.
00:47:16
How does this exist on Earth? I gotta
00:47:18
see this. It's crazy that it's real.
00:47:20
>> Take a field trip to go see a tornado.
00:47:23
We've looked into this.
00:47:24
>> Really, really want to do that.
00:47:26
>> Maybe a fire tornado.
00:47:27
>> It's hard to like coordinate safely.
00:47:29
It's not like a safari where you just
00:47:30
go, "Oh, there's one that's been sitting
00:47:31
there for a couple days." It's like very
00:47:33
sporadic.
00:47:33
>> A few days ago, I was walking around in
00:47:35
Bushwick and I saw a trash tornado.
00:47:37
>> That happens sometimes.
00:47:38
>> Yeah, that's a very
00:47:41
It's just a trash tornado.
00:47:42
>> It's trash. Like,
00:47:44
>> yeah,
00:47:44
>> that was awesome.
00:47:45
>> Anyway, I like weather. I've always
00:47:47
liked weather, but um maybe more than
00:47:50
the average person.
00:47:51
>> Are you still using Acme?
00:47:53
>> Not as much as carrots still,
00:47:54
>> because I found out new features of Acme
00:47:56
that I want to try, but it's $25 a year,
00:47:58
which is like a lot. But
00:48:00
>> the radar part of Acme is actually
00:48:02
pretty interesting.
00:48:03
>> Yeah. Apparently, they have a ways like
00:48:05
feature where you can report you can
00:48:07
report um
00:48:08
>> hyper local weather.
00:48:10
>> Yeah. But you can also report rainbows.
00:48:12
>> And if enough people report a rainbow in
00:48:14
your neighborhood, then you get a
00:48:15
notification.
00:48:16
>> And now they also will alert you if the
00:48:18
sunset's going to be sick.
00:48:20
>> That's cool. And I'm like $25. I know.
00:48:24
>> Sick. I'm
00:48:25
>> being outside.
00:48:26
>> I'm in the middle of Project Hillary and
00:48:29
I'm just keep thinking about
00:48:29
>> You're in the middle of Wait,
00:48:31
>> the book. Sorry.
00:48:32
>> Oh, you're Wait.
00:48:33
>> Yeah,
00:48:34
>> you're reading.
00:48:34
>> Yeah, it's an audio book. I say reading
00:48:36
though because I don't like to say I'm
00:48:39
I'm listening. Yeah, that counts. You
00:48:41
know, I'm listening to
00:48:42
>> especially this book. The audio book is
00:48:43
crazy. Audio book. It's good. Anyway, it
00:48:46
just makes me appreciate Earth a lot and
00:48:48
it has all kinds of crazy stuff
00:48:49
everywhere.
00:48:49
>> Cool. So, very cool. Yeah. Shout out to
00:48:51
the weather.
00:48:52
>> You know, I used to not give a a rat's
00:48:55
ass about the weather.
00:48:56
>> You lived in California.
00:48:58
>> Yeah. In San Francisco. The
00:48:59
>> same every day.
00:49:01
>> Why would you care about the weather?
00:49:02
You don't even have to check it.
00:49:03
>> We just vibe. Yeah. No, but uh yeah, I
00:49:06
remember in 2020 when I started to
00:49:10
weirdly it's like it's kind of like when
00:49:11
you become a burer, you know? It's not
00:49:13
like it's not if you become a burer,
00:49:15
it's when you become a burer.
00:49:17
>> It's the same with weather, I think,
00:49:18
because I remember waking up one day and
00:49:20
just asking my router,
00:49:22
>> "What's the weather like today?"
00:49:24
>> And I remember that that was a really
00:49:26
weird experience.
00:49:27
>> Wait,
00:49:29
>> you asked your router. What does that
00:49:31
mean? I asked my Google Nest what the
00:49:34
weather was.
00:49:35
>> It has an assistant built.
00:49:37
>> My Nest router. Yeah. Has a built-in
00:49:39
Google Assistant speaker. I'm so sorry.
00:49:41
Speaking of this, you might already know
00:49:42
this. So, like the Nest thermostat
00:49:44
that's on the wall,
00:49:45
>> I was at an Airbnb last weekend
00:49:48
>> and we were trying to get music to come
00:49:50
out. All the TVs had like uh these like
00:49:52
big surround sound bar systems. We were
00:49:55
like trying to figure out how to get
00:49:57
music to come out of there via casting.
00:49:59
Does it have speakers?
00:50:01
the Nest thermostat.
00:50:02
>> Well, so we were like we found a device
00:50:05
called uh kitchen or it was called
00:50:08
living room and we were like, "Oh, that
00:50:09
must be the living room TV." And so we
00:50:11
like hit cast and we hear music coming
00:50:14
out of the bedroom where there is a TV.
00:50:16
So like, "Oh, we must have accidentally
00:50:17
casted Spotify." And we go in
00:50:19
>> and realize it's coming out of the nest.
00:50:23
>> Did that sound like a bee's Cuz
00:50:26
for sure
00:50:26
>> it was terrible. We were all just like,
00:50:28
"These things are Bluetooth speakers,
00:50:29
too."
00:50:30
>> Yeah. Well, Wi-Fi speakers.
00:50:31
>> Wow.
00:50:32
>> But the internet of things is truly a
00:50:34
utopia. It really came out the way that
00:50:36
they pitched it.
00:50:39
>> Next question comes from at the month
00:50:41
July. They want to know, "What is
00:50:43
something you miss about being a smaller
00:50:45
channel? And what is something you are
00:50:46
happy the channel grew out of?"
00:50:50
>> That's good.
00:50:50
>> That's a good question.
00:50:52
>> Is for waveform or for
00:50:53
>> I think I think it applies to lots of
00:50:55
different things.
00:50:55
>> We can probably all answer I'm gonna
00:50:57
answer for Marquez. He misses not having
00:50:59
us around cuz we just annoy him all day.
00:51:02
No.
00:51:03
>> Um,
00:51:04
>> he loves us.
00:51:06
>> No,
00:51:06
>> you love us.
00:51:07
>> You love us, don't you?
00:51:08
>> I love having us here.
00:51:10
>> You love Krabby Patties, don't you?
00:51:11
>> Don't you?
00:51:13
>> The thing, you know, the thing that came
00:51:15
to mind when you read that about being a
00:51:17
smaller channel is it's both the upside
00:51:20
and the downside at the same time. So, I
00:51:23
watch a lot of YouTube and a lot of tech
00:51:26
YouTube in the process. And so, I see
00:51:29
lots of great tech videos that are
00:51:31
inspiring. I see lots of pretty mid tech
00:51:33
videos and I see lots of loweffort tech
00:51:35
videos. Fine. And when I'm a smaller
00:51:39
channel and I put out a tech video that
00:51:41
has maybe a little bit of shortcomings
00:51:43
or I missed something or there's a
00:51:45
little bit of, oh, we could have done
00:51:47
that better. It's just one of the tech
00:51:49
videos.
00:51:50
>> Yeah. But as a big channel, maybe just
00:51:53
as this channel, when we put out a video
00:51:55
where uh we we kind of like crunched at
00:51:58
the last minute or we were on to the
00:51:59
next one and something got missed or
00:52:01
whatever,
00:52:02
>> there is an ecosystem of criticism
00:52:06
>> that echoes for days and weeks
00:52:10
>> on that one issue
00:52:12
>> uh speculating on way more uh malice and
00:52:16
and negative intent uh than just, oh, I
00:52:19
was an idiot and I forgot
00:52:21
And so I do miss the smaller channel
00:52:24
days where it was like you could just
00:52:26
toil away and get better on camera over
00:52:28
and over until you're just good at it.
00:52:29
But on the other side of it, it's
00:52:31
actually a good thing that we're under
00:52:32
such a big microscope because we have
00:52:34
such a big platform obviously, but then
00:52:36
also it makes us better even faster.
00:52:39
Like we have to do the best possible
00:52:41
work. It's an extra pressure. We've
00:52:43
described it as the the publish button
00:52:45
feeling heavier. But uh yeah, there's
00:52:48
two sides to that coin. I I remember the
00:52:50
days of being a smaller YouTuber and
00:52:52
making like a video every other day.
00:52:54
Yeah.
00:52:54
>> And if you ask me about the video I made
00:52:56
like earlier that week, I'd be like,
00:52:57
"Oh, yeah. I just made a video. I don't
00:52:58
know. Didn't really think too hard about
00:53:00
it." That doesn't happen anymore. So,
00:53:02
it's interesting.
00:53:03
>> When you're smaller, people are nicer.
00:53:05
That's another thing cuz people want to
00:53:06
root for the underdog, right? So, like
00:53:08
if you're like a growing channel, people
00:53:10
are like impressed for, oh, I'm
00:53:12
surprised that a channel of your s like
00:53:14
that your channel doesn't have more
00:53:15
subscribers. Like they're very nice
00:53:17
about it. But then when you get bigger
00:53:18
and bigger, I think people are sort of
00:53:20
just more critical and they're just like
00:53:22
meaner because it's it it's it feels
00:53:25
less bad to be mean to a bigger.
00:53:27
>> It's punching up. It's punching up.
00:53:28
>> You can only be overrated.
00:53:30
>> Yeah.
00:53:30
>> You can you can never again be like just
00:53:32
like when you're young you're like,
00:53:33
"Wow, you're so young. You're so
00:53:35
>> smart for your age.
00:53:35
>> Smart for your age or whatever." And
00:53:36
then you get older and they're like,
00:53:37
"Yeah,
00:53:38
>> yeah. No, I know. People for years were
00:53:42
always telling me like, "Oh, you're so
00:53:43
introspective for your age." And I'm
00:53:45
like, "When will that stop?" At a
00:53:46
certain point, I'll be 40 and then
00:53:48
you're going to be like, "Wow, you're so
00:53:49
introspective." I'm like, "No, I'm an
00:53:51
old man, bro."
00:53:51
>> Yeah, an old man.
00:53:53
>> Do you guys miss anything about the old
00:53:56
days of the Waveform podcast?
00:53:58
>> Oh, I feel like I never had that
00:54:01
experience with Waveform Podcast in
00:54:03
particular
00:54:04
>> because from day one of the video
00:54:06
launching, it was like the most
00:54:08
subscribed channel I've ever been a part
00:54:10
of.
00:54:11
>> So, it was like from 0 to 100 real
00:54:13
quick. But I do miss making videos. So,
00:54:16
I remember making videos all the time in
00:54:18
my bedroom doing a bunch of reviews.
00:54:20
>> I made a video in your bedroom.
00:54:21
>> Yeah, you did make a video in my
00:54:22
bedroom. Yeah.
00:54:23
>> And uh it was it was
00:54:24
>> in Oregon.
00:54:25
>> Yeah, when I lived in a tech video.
00:54:27
>> Yeah, it was. Yeah,
00:54:28
>> I didn't say that.
00:54:30
>> No, it was a tech video. Um,
00:54:34
>> but we were wearing Vision Pro, so it's
00:54:36
okay.
00:54:36
>> We were wearing Vision Pro, so it was
00:54:37
fine. Um, but yeah, it was like it was
00:54:39
more so that up and coming part of it
00:54:42
was fun. And I feel like now this is
00:54:44
more of a very established. We have a
00:54:46
flow. We are more professional in this
00:54:48
sense. But I think it also reflects just
00:54:50
like where I am in life and my age. So
00:54:51
I'm like riding this cuz it feels right.
00:54:54
If I was like still doing what I was
00:54:57
doing back then, I don't know if I'd
00:54:59
have the energy for it right now.
00:55:01
>> Cuz I'm an tired man now. So the up and
00:55:04
cominging thing is just a special like
00:55:07
grinding phase that can last a short
00:55:10
time or a long time, but it is it is
00:55:12
very unique and you never get that again
00:55:14
after you've done it.
00:55:15
>> Mhm.
00:55:15
>> I guess some people are like serial
00:55:17
entrepreneurs and they kind of like do
00:55:18
that all the time, but it is kind of
00:55:20
>> in in YouTube land anyway, you kind of
00:55:22
just get it once.
00:55:24
>> Yeah. When we were both learning, I
00:55:25
remember you your motto was like try to
00:55:27
make every video better than the last.
00:55:29
>> Yes. The way I got better was I did
00:55:32
every single time I make a video, I want
00:55:34
to try a new technique. So whether it's
00:55:36
like a new editing technique that I need
00:55:38
to learn by watching videos on YouTube
00:55:39
about or a new like shooting technique
00:55:42
or a new way of describing something
00:55:45
>> like you sort of like grow our
00:55:46
repertoire over time and that repetition
00:55:48
is like so good and so important and
00:55:50
eventually you know the curve is like
00:55:52
this but then it eventually kind of like
00:55:55
>> caps out a lot and then every time
00:55:56
you're doing something new it's like
00:55:58
this much more. Nowadays, it feels like
00:56:00
you we can never do anything without a
00:56:02
plan
00:56:03
>> and like a a it's almost I feel like
00:56:05
this happens in tech companies like you
00:56:08
need a a multi-stage roll out f like
00:56:10
plan for like how to do something like
00:56:12
when they were making the iPhone air
00:56:13
they were like well we're going to have
00:56:14
a an air 2 and then the next thing or
00:56:16
whatever. For us it's like if we're
00:56:18
going to try something new in videos
00:56:19
it's like well
00:56:20
>> are we going to do that for like forever
00:56:22
or are we just going to try it once for
00:56:24
for fun? And we we I I still like doing
00:56:27
the random things. We just try for fun
00:56:29
once in a while.
00:56:29
>> Yeah. Something I missed about early
00:56:30
Waveform though is like a lot of the
00:56:32
experimentation that we were doing at
00:56:33
the time. Just like random weird like
00:56:35
long form episodes and random weird like
00:56:38
special episodes and um
00:56:39
>> random Q&As's just in the middle of
00:56:41
>> Uhhuh. Yeah.
00:56:43
>> random stuff
00:56:43
>> in the Yeah. So, you know, it's possible
00:56:45
to bring that back, but people do get
00:56:47
into a flow of the kind of show that
00:56:49
they expect every Friday. So, so they
00:56:51
can do their dishes. You know,
00:56:52
>> dishes are important. The dishes would
00:56:54
never get done if we didn't do this.
00:56:55
>> No.
00:56:56
>> No.
00:56:56
>> Yeah.
00:56:57
>> Abra asks, "What is a video or a video
00:57:00
idea that you were really invested in
00:57:03
and wanted to make but never did?"
00:57:08
>> I have one.
00:57:10
>> Uh right when Chat GBT came out,
00:57:15
>> uh I went down this insane rabbit hole
00:57:17
of like what is a large language model?
00:57:20
How does a transformer work? And then I
00:57:22
also went down this like really
00:57:24
philosophical rabbit hole about what
00:57:26
does it mean to be alive? And I wrote
00:57:28
this like long Adam remembers this
00:57:30
because we were on a run together and I
00:57:32
was like venting to him about this
00:57:34
>> and I went down this really deep
00:57:36
philosophical rabbit hole about like
00:57:38
Socrates's like five steps of living
00:57:41
like consciousness.
00:57:44
>> Yeah. And then eventually
00:57:47
>> next to him like
00:57:51
Yeah. And eventually I just was like,
00:57:53
hm, none of that matters.
00:57:56
Yeah, it was it was it was interesting.
00:57:59
I was like caring so much about it. And
00:58:00
then at one point I just hit this wall
00:58:01
and I was like, why are we caring about
00:58:04
if the computer should have rights? I
00:58:07
feel like that's not something we should
00:58:09
worry about. I don't think we need to.
00:58:12
cuz that was like kind of part of the
00:58:13
video was like will there reach a point
00:58:15
in which the AI need to have rights
00:58:18
>> and then I eventually was like maybe not
00:58:20
and that's okay
00:58:21
>> and I wrote like threequarters of the
00:58:23
video and then I was just like
00:58:24
>> I've done that
00:58:25
>> kind of pointless.
00:58:26
>> Yeah, I've done really deep rabbit hole
00:58:28
stuff where I'm like what's the point
00:58:29
here? Also, when you said uh the AI
00:58:32
stuff, I mean we there's a lot of videos
00:58:33
that are kind of just on the back burner
00:58:35
like in the back of my head that we just
00:58:37
haven't quite figured out a reason or a
00:58:40
way to do. One of them is, you know, how
00:58:42
we did like Google Assistant versus Siri
00:58:44
versus Alexa versus whatever Bixby.
00:58:47
>> Yeah.
00:58:48
>> I was thinking we should, you know, in
00:58:49
this height of everyone's talking about
00:58:51
all these AI models, let's do Gemini
00:58:52
versus Chat GBT versus and every time I
00:58:54
think I should do that video, I look at
00:58:56
how fast they're changing and I'm like,
00:58:57
there's no way to do this video. And
00:59:00
even if I do thoroughly cover a 45
00:59:03
minutes of all the things they're
00:59:04
capable of, literally the next week
00:59:05
it'll be like, now it can do better
00:59:06
code. Now it can do this. Now it can do
00:59:08
that. It's like, well, I guess I can.
00:59:09
While we were recording this podcast,
00:59:11
Opus 4.7 just dropped. So,
00:59:13
>> yeah. And I'm like, "All right, I guess
00:59:14
I'm not going to do that."
00:59:15
>> Yeah, it did.
00:59:16
>> Are you serious?
00:59:16
>> I'm serious.
00:59:18
>> See, it's like we could publish the
00:59:20
video today and it would be wrong.
00:59:22
>> So, yeah, that's a tough one.
00:59:24
>> Exactly. Yeah.
00:59:25
>> Trivia.
00:59:27
Wow, y'all really came through. Trivia
00:59:29
questions. That's hilarious. We didn't
00:59:31
even ask for trivia questions. They just
00:59:32
decided to give us trivia.
00:59:34
>> Yeah.
00:59:34
>> Wow. Guys, uh, this question is from
00:59:37
Sasha. Um, who had I just shout Sasha
00:59:41
gave us a lot of questions. One of them
00:59:43
I just thought I'm not going to ask
00:59:44
because there's no way you guys would
00:59:45
know, but apparently the German keyboard
00:59:47
layout is like different and has lots of
00:59:49
weird shortcuts. I did not know that.
00:59:50
Thank you.
00:59:51
>> It's annoying. The L is like at the
00:59:53
bottom instead of on the left. It's so
00:59:55
annoying.
00:59:55
>> Thank you for blessing me with that
00:59:57
info.
00:59:57
>> Sorry. On the right. Yeah. The question
00:59:58
we do want to ask is a classic prices
01:00:02
right rules question which is how many
01:00:04
emojis are there in the Apple keyboard?
01:00:09
>> Oh,
01:00:10
>> I kind of think I might
01:00:11
>> in the Apple keyboard.
01:00:12
>> Price is right.
01:00:13
>> Price is right.
01:00:14
>> Okay. Okay, that's good.
01:00:17
>> And it's like the current number cuz
01:00:18
they, you know, add some
01:00:19
>> Yeah, we're going to double check.
01:00:21
>> iOS 26.4 or whatever.
01:00:22
>> They only add like six here though.
01:00:24
>> Wait, how do you have a point4 of an
01:00:25
emoji?
01:00:26
>> No, iOS 26.4 four got some emojis. I'm
01:00:28
joking.
01:00:29
>> So, yeah,
01:00:29
>> they had like six up toate numbers.
01:00:31
>> Joking.
01:00:32
>> All right.
01:00:32
>> Emoji consortium.
01:00:33
>> We'll think about that. We'll be right
01:00:35
back.
01:00:44
Okay, welcome back. Uh we're going to
01:00:46
kick off this third segment of the pod
01:00:48
with some rapid fire questions from you
01:00:50
guys. I'm bringing my computer closer so
01:00:52
I can read rapidly and fire them off.
01:00:55
Question number one uh comes from
01:00:57
Bongus. He wrote bongus question. Um
01:01:01
question number two comes from Tim. Tim
01:01:03
wrote, "It hurts a little when I pee."
01:01:05
Which is not a question, but I wanted to
01:01:07
let you know anyway.
01:01:08
>> I get that.
01:01:09
>> Um Oliver asked, "What is the best Taco
01:01:13
Bell item? I like anything with the
01:01:15
Doritos Loco shell." That's kind of my
01:01:17
answer.
01:01:18
>> Cheesy potatoes.
01:01:19
>> Mhm. David.
01:01:20
>> Um I don't go that often, but the um
01:01:23
crunch fat supreme is
01:01:24
>> classic.
01:01:25
>> Yeah, pretty classic.
01:01:26
>> You don't really like Taco Bell.
01:01:28
>> I haven't gone in a long time, but yeah,
01:01:29
it's good. Same.
01:01:30
>> Anonymous says, "No question, just love
01:01:33
heart emoji.
01:01:34
>> Appreciate you." Are they going to hack
01:01:35
us? Anonymous says, "Yeah."
01:01:38
>> Harvey asks, "Ellis, why are you so
01:01:40
funny? Born in this way."
01:01:43
>> Nice. Taco Bell's Chimmy Chungus asks,
01:01:46
"When is DJ Cafe 84 coming back?" DJ
01:01:49
Cafe 84 is a name that I DJed with in
01:01:52
college all of three times. I don't know
01:01:55
how you know that. Um, that's crazy.
01:01:58
>> It was anonymous.
01:01:59
>> That is
01:02:01
like the level of this. Um, still keep
01:02:04
me Nameless, please asked, "Is Ellis
01:02:06
real or is he actually Adam's
01:02:08
ventriloquist puppy?"
01:02:13
>> Interesting. Interesting.
01:02:14
>> Very true. Uh Brandon asked, "How many
01:02:16
total responses to this survey?" Like
01:02:18
1,600, I want to say, maybe even more.
01:02:21
>> We've only answered 10 questions.
01:02:22
>> Thank you guys for for for coming out in
01:02:25
mass for this. Uh yeah, like 167ish
01:02:28
hundreds. 1666.
01:02:30
>> Um
01:02:31
>> good year.
01:02:32
>> Craig Hyundai asks,
01:02:34
>> that's probably a war.
01:02:35
>> Wait,
01:02:37
Craig Hyundai, which I can only assume,
01:02:40
>> is that like John photography? Yeah,
01:02:42
it's like John.
01:02:44
>> I like what you're doing with cars, man.
01:02:46
>> Craig Hyundai killing it. Um, top three
01:02:48
Chrome extensions. I'm going to sit out
01:02:51
from this one because I only use one and
01:02:53
it's Claw.
01:02:54
>> Well, I should look at what I'm
01:02:56
>> Yeah. Okay. Um, okay. I I know I Yeah, I
01:02:59
really like What font is is a great
01:03:02
Chrome extension.
01:03:02
>> Oh, that one is good.
01:03:04
>> You can highlight anything and it on any
01:03:05
page and it tells you what the font is.
01:03:07
Amazing. Um, you block Origin is
01:03:10
classic. Um, send to Kindle for Google
01:03:15
Chrome.
01:03:16
>> Good.
01:03:16
>> Do you have a Kindle?
01:03:18
>> Um, I have the Kindle app.
01:03:20
>> Yeah. Um,
01:03:22
>> oh, the hide shorts for YouTube is good.
01:03:24
>> Yeah. Yeah, I only have the Amazon price
01:03:28
tracker one and Google Docs offline.
01:03:31
>> That's it.
01:03:33
>> Interesting.
01:03:34
>> This one comes from Kat and Jazz and
01:03:36
it's just an interesting question. What
01:03:38
is everyone's favorite sound made by a
01:03:40
piece of tech that is not produced by
01:03:41
the speaker? So, for example, a hinge
01:03:44
closing, a certain brand, mouse click,
01:03:46
lens attaching to a camera, things like
01:03:48
that.
01:03:48
>> Whoa,
01:03:49
>> that's so good.
01:03:50
>> That is so good.
01:03:51
>> Really good.
01:03:52
>> Okay, I had a couple things pop into my
01:03:54
head. I want to pick a best, but there's
01:03:55
some really good ones. David, you'll
01:03:56
agree with this one. Hostelblad lens
01:03:58
clicking on the
01:03:59
>> That was mine.
01:04:00
>> That's a That's a nice I wish I had it
01:04:03
right I could put it right in front of
01:04:04
the mic and you could hear it. That is a
01:04:05
a primo funk sound.
01:04:07
>> Yeah,
01:04:07
>> the leaf shutter as well.
01:04:09
>> Um, but I also think of like a really
01:04:12
nicely sealed
01:04:16
>> like the MacBook closing.
01:04:20
>> It's pretty good.
01:04:24
>> Subtle.
01:04:24
>> Yeah, decent. There are definitely
01:04:26
multiple devices that I think are
01:04:28
generally bad devices but have such good
01:04:30
like clamp feeling or like when you
01:04:32
close them it's such a satisfying like
01:04:35
>> clump of those
01:04:36
>> that I keep using it just because it's
01:04:38
satisfying.
01:04:40
>> Yeah.
01:04:41
>> Yeah.
01:04:42
>> Um multiple foldable phones are like
01:04:44
that
01:04:45
>> where like the the the action force of
01:04:48
closing it is just very satisfying. The
01:04:50
OnePlus open has a really nice
01:04:53
>> um sound.
01:04:56
>> Okay. My um Hasselblad Flex Type drum
01:04:59
scanner uh virtual drum scanner when I
01:05:02
scan with it, it goes
01:05:08
and it goes
01:05:12
>> sounds like it's struggling for the
01:05:14
first half
01:05:16
and it does
01:05:16
>> get off the phone.
01:05:17
>> Yeah, it does that for 15 minutes. So, I
01:05:19
like the I like the last sound that
01:05:23
it's nice. I'm trying to remind myself
01:05:24
of these. This is such a good question.
01:05:26
>> Yeah, but there there are many there are
01:05:28
quite a few. Yeah,
01:05:29
>> I definitely thought of first the
01:05:30
Hasselblood leaf shutter from the phones
01:05:32
even like not even the cameras, just
01:05:34
like the phone that have the partnership
01:05:35
and you press the orange button and you
01:05:37
get the leaf shut.
01:05:38
>> Okay, but you got the speaker.
01:05:39
>> Oh, you're right. You're right.
01:05:40
>> I'm thinking the actual leaf shutter.
01:05:42
You got to experience the Pentax 67 is
01:05:44
this old It's The Pentax 67 is this old
01:05:48
uh medium format film camera and the
01:05:50
shutter on that is insane. It's like
01:05:53
you're shooting a bazooka.
01:05:54
>> Andrew is going to have some keyboard
01:05:56
suggestions.
01:05:57
>> Oh my god. Yeah.
01:05:58
>> Um I don't know if it's like a favorite
01:06:00
all time, but we recently for the for
01:06:02
the Avid heads, uh we just got an Avid
01:06:05
S1 in our um audio room, which is a like
01:06:08
ProTools controller with flying faders.
01:06:10
And so when you load up a layout or a
01:06:14
preset, all of the faders like jump to
01:06:16
the the correct point and it it sounds
01:06:18
kind of like this.
01:06:25
>> I don't know if it's like a nice sound,
01:06:26
but I just get really excited watching
01:06:28
the faders go like,
01:06:29
>> you know what that reminds me of is the
01:06:31
Logitech MX Master. Um, when you switch
01:06:34
it into like free flow mode versus like
01:06:36
the clicky mode, it's like,
01:06:39
>> yeah, this is an ASMR episode. I just
01:06:41
thought also in the car world, there's
01:06:42
so many of these. Certain switches in
01:06:45
cars are really good, but the door close
01:06:47
sound on some of these cars.
01:06:50
The the German cars. Oh my god, the
01:06:53
>> perfect seal. Wow. Really good question.
01:06:55
>> Great question.
01:06:56
>> Yeah. Oh, also my water bottle makes
01:06:58
this sound.
01:07:01
>> Yeah, that's sick. Where can I get one
01:07:02
of those? Sorry.
01:07:03
>> mkbhdg.com.
01:07:04
>> Love it. Uh, this question comes from
01:07:06
Oelvia, which is, "What is the hardest
01:07:08
part about staying unbiased on
01:07:10
waveform?"
01:07:11
>> Hardest part? The hardest part is just
01:07:13
getting everything factually correct.
01:07:15
>> But that's the unbiased part is easy, I
01:07:17
think.
01:07:17
>> Yeah.
01:07:18
>> I feel like sometimes I try to if I know
01:07:21
I'm like dunking like making a lot of
01:07:22
jokes because it's I feel like it's all
01:07:25
jokes, you know what I mean? Um, if I'm
01:07:27
making a lot of jokes about a product,
01:07:28
I'll like try to be like, "Okay, well,
01:07:30
here's something nice about it to to
01:07:31
balance it out a little bit." But
01:07:34
>> I don't know. I think I don't know.
01:07:36
Yeah, I guess you guys right like it's
01:07:38
it's not hard. I do have a thing now
01:07:40
where I
01:07:42
This came from making a product. So, we
01:07:45
made panels and there was a good week
01:07:49
where everyone on the internet was
01:07:50
relentlessly dunking on it. And that
01:07:53
gave me a good window into what it's
01:07:55
like when everyone's relentlessly
01:07:57
stunking on your thing.
01:07:59
>> And 75% of it was just wrong.
01:08:03
>> And it was weird because people would
01:08:04
pile on repeating the wrong thing. And
01:08:08
it wouldn't make sense for me to pop out
01:08:10
and be like, "Hey, here this is wrong."
01:08:11
Because we knew that so many other
01:08:12
things were wrong. it wouldn't make
01:08:13
sense for me to defend certain things
01:08:14
and leave other things. So, I just kind
01:08:16
of let it all happen. And so, now when
01:08:19
we go in to criticize something, I have
01:08:21
this extra lens of like
01:08:23
>> we need to make sure we're right about
01:08:25
the things we're criticizing because if
01:08:27
we're just repeating something that
01:08:29
someone else repeated wrong,
01:08:30
>> right?
01:08:31
>> Then that makes us look worse,
01:08:33
especially to the person who made the
01:08:34
product. And we might meet that person,
01:08:36
we might know that person, we might lose
01:08:37
respect from people in this in the
01:08:39
industry who see us repeating the wrong
01:08:41
thing. So, I want to make sure every
01:08:42
time when it's correct or when it's
01:08:44
incorrect, we're at least saying the
01:08:46
correct thing, like the right thing, the
01:08:48
accurate thing.
01:08:49
>> Yeah. Because I've seen what it looks
01:08:51
like when they don't. I think it's
01:08:52
valuable to get context, too. Like most
01:08:55
people are like, how could they have let
01:08:56
this slip through the cracks? And it's
01:08:58
like a lot of the time they know that a
01:09:00
thing is like that in a product, right?
01:09:02
And usually they have a reason for doing
01:09:03
it. Now, that reason could be valid or
01:09:05
less valid. You could be like a regular
01:09:07
person doesn't use this thing this way,
01:09:09
but usually there's a reason why they
01:09:11
made the thing a certain way.
01:09:13
>> Sometimes there is no reason.
01:09:14
>> Yeah,
01:09:15
>> sometimes the volume of the Subaru is
01:09:17
full screen for no reason.
01:09:19
>> Well, there's a reason. I mean, they
01:09:20
someone made that decision.
01:09:21
>> Someone did make that decision and we
01:09:23
can ridicule that. But we should think
01:09:24
long and hard about why they made that
01:09:26
decision and then go, "Okay, yeah, that
01:09:27
was dumb."
01:09:27
>> It's dumb. Yeah. Which is fine. It's
01:09:29
They can be wrong. It's like Samsung
01:09:31
making the part of the screen the inside
01:09:33
of the fold like a screen protector but
01:09:35
it's actually the screen.
01:09:36
>> You know, we do criticize products all
01:09:37
the time and we we always have to
01:09:39
remember that there's nobody who knows
01:09:41
these products better than the people
01:09:42
who make them.
01:09:43
>> Yeah.
01:09:44
>> Because they know what it could be
01:09:45
capable of, what it what you know they
01:09:47
they know where they stopped in
01:09:48
development, where it could have done
01:09:50
something else and it didn't. They know
01:09:51
exactly where its boundaries are, what
01:09:52
its limitations are, and they
01:09:54
strategically thought of ways to
01:09:56
minimize cost and what boundaries they
01:09:58
wanted to hit. all these things that we
01:10:01
that I'm always conscious of that
01:10:02
relationship because when we make a
01:10:04
product
01:10:06
that other people don't know and then
01:10:07
they're just spewing wrong things. I'm
01:10:09
like, "Oh yeah,
01:10:10
>> damn."
01:10:10
>> And that's the hard thing about the
01:10:11
internet too is that everyone sees a
01:10:13
different timeline. So the things that
01:10:15
you could correct somebody about
01:10:17
something and most of the people will
01:10:19
not see your correction will just keep
01:10:20
repeating the the incorrect, you know,
01:10:23
>> statement. So
01:10:24
>> yeah,
01:10:25
>> it's tough. I mean, first I gotta say
01:10:26
like the concept of bias is not like
01:10:30
it's impossible to not be biased. Like
01:10:32
it's literally impossible. Um, you know,
01:10:35
you can go you can just deliver facts,
01:10:37
sure,
01:10:38
>> but almost every way that you deliver
01:10:40
the fact if you rearrange the sentence
01:10:42
in a different way, it's got a different
01:10:44
connotation. It's going to skew things a
01:10:45
little bit differently. Everyone has
01:10:48
their personal opinions about whether
01:10:50
it's anthropic versus open AI, whether
01:10:52
it's, you know, like every single thing.
01:10:55
Your personal opinion as hard as you try
01:10:57
to not let it influence your reporting
01:10:59
will in some way influence your
01:11:01
reporting. That's just a fact. So that's
01:11:03
what you sign up for as a as a reader.
01:11:05
>> Yeah.
01:11:05
>> When it's or a viewer, like when I'm
01:11:07
watching this person's review, what I'm
01:11:10
signing up for is their take on this
01:11:11
thing,
01:11:12
>> right?
01:11:12
>> Cuz if you just want a spec sheet, you
01:11:13
can read a spec sheet. That's I think
01:11:15
ultimately what people are here for is
01:11:17
they trust our take on things.
01:11:18
>> Yeah. The bias that people generally
01:11:19
talk about is like is someone getting
01:11:22
like paid to say a certain thing like
01:11:23
that's a true that's like a obvious
01:11:25
bias.
01:11:26
>> Yeah.
01:11:26
>> But um yeah
01:11:28
>> Ramanum too asks if you could pick an
01:11:30
old phone design and put modern cameras
01:11:32
and software on it what would it be
01:11:34
>> and why?
01:11:35
>> There's a correct answer.
01:11:36
>> There's a couple correct answers but
01:11:38
>> say Nexus 6P.
01:11:40
>> No. I think you guys are glazing iPhone
01:11:42
for way for no reason.
01:11:44
>> What?
01:11:44
>> Why are you so No. Nexus 6P is nice, but
01:11:47
like it's iconic.
01:11:48
>> It's not the correct answer.
01:11:49
>> It's iconic.
01:11:50
>> The 6P.
01:11:52
>> Yes.
01:11:52
>> The Huawei with the visor at the top.
01:11:54
>> Yes.
01:11:55
>> Why that one?
01:11:55
>> It was metal. It was beautiful. It had a
01:11:58
great screen.
01:11:59
>> It didn't rock on the table.
01:12:00
>> The visor was awesome.
01:12:01
>> Okay. But if you just want a nice metal,
01:12:03
well-built phone with new specs, do the
01:12:06
HTC1.
01:12:08
>> Yeah, but that one big that one had huge
01:12:10
bezels. Yeah, cuz it had boom sound too.
01:12:12
>> Had boom sound and it had a kickstand.
01:12:14
>> Who needs speakers?
01:12:15
>> It had incredible speakers.
01:12:17
>> I will say the HC Thunderbolt with the
01:12:19
kickstand was pretty sick, but it was
01:12:21
also my first
01:12:22
>> kickstand was nice.
01:12:23
>> Yeah, the kickstand was
01:12:24
>> the phone. The Thunderbolt, but actually
01:12:25
lasting all day on a charge would be
01:12:27
nice.
01:12:27
>> Yeah, the Thunderbolt burned me. I had
01:12:29
to return it cuz it burned my hand.
01:12:31
>> Damn.
01:12:32
>> And I got a Samsung Droid Charge
01:12:34
instead, which was worse by a factor of
01:12:36
like 30. It's funny cuz these phones all
01:12:38
have such like electric names and then
01:12:39
have horrible batteries.
01:12:41
>> Yeah.
01:12:42
>> Yeah.
01:12:42
>> I think the correct answer is the
01:12:43
Samsung Galaxy Nexus.
01:12:45
>> The correct answer. No, it's not. No.
01:12:47
What?
01:12:47
>> That phone.
01:12:48
>> That No.
01:12:49
>> That OLED?
01:12:50
>> No.
01:12:50
>> That slightly curved screen.
01:12:52
>> Mm-
01:12:52
>> That perfect size.
01:12:53
>> Not a plastic camera.
01:12:56
>> Yeah, but that had the charger that pop
01:12:58
the battery out the back and swap a new
01:12:59
one in. That was nice. Keep that.
01:13:01
>> Yeah,
01:13:01
>> I guess. Uh I mean,
01:13:02
>> yeah, bring that back. Yeah.
01:13:04
>> Yeah. The real correct answer, guys, is
01:13:07
the Samsung Exclaim M550.
01:13:11
>> You're going to make me Google this.
01:13:12
>> It's a feature phone.
01:13:13
>> Oh, I'm not going to Google this.
01:13:14
>> Feature phone and has a slide out numpad
01:13:17
and a separate slide out keyboard.
01:13:20
>> So, what are you modernizing? The camera
01:13:22
and the battery.
01:13:24
>> Yeah. And get Google Maps and email.
01:13:27
>> That's all you need. Well, and the
01:13:28
antennas because I don't think it had
01:13:30
anything past 3G in it. Um,
01:13:33
>> T-Mobile G1 or the Sidekick? Give me one
01:13:35
of those. Sidekick.
01:13:37
>> The G1 or the side. Y'all like the
01:13:38
physical keyboard.
01:13:39
>> I would love a Sidekick.
01:13:42
>> Well, they both had physical keyboard.
01:13:43
Oh, the digital. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The
01:13:45
track ball is nice.
01:13:47
>> The track ball's nice.
01:13:48
>> Wait, what was the So, the Galaxy Nex
01:13:49
didn't have the track ball, but what?
01:13:50
Oh, the Nexus One had the track.
01:13:52
>> Track ball. Yeah,
01:13:52
>> that's a good one.
01:13:53
>> That was the first Android phone.
01:13:55
Well, the G1 G1 had the keyboard, but
01:13:57
then sorry, not but then the Nexus one
01:14:00
had the RGB lit track ball. That with
01:14:03
today's tech would be pretty sick.
01:14:04
>> That was fire. That'd be nice.
01:14:06
>> Here's a question for Andrew. Why do you
01:14:08
look at the ceiling when you're
01:14:09
speaking?
01:14:10
>> Well, um
01:14:14
I'm looking for the answer. I just
01:14:15
thought of a really sassy answer to the
01:14:17
last question.
01:14:17
>> What?
01:14:18
>> The iPhone Air.
01:14:21
>> Give me the iPhone Air but with modern
01:14:23
internals. That's so good.
01:14:25
>> Yeah.
01:14:25
>> If they put silicon carbon in that
01:14:27
>> Yeah. Give me like two good cameras.
01:14:28
Silicon carbon like real speakers.
01:14:30
>> Telephoto.
01:14:32
>> Yeah, man.
01:14:32
>> Unons O NZ Un asked, "Is there a company
01:14:36
like Panone but for sounds,
01:14:40
>> which is Whoa.
01:14:42
>> That would be a frequency response
01:14:44
chart."
01:14:47
>> It's like Uber for sound.
01:14:50
There there there are various um sound
01:14:54
standards organizations that set
01:14:55
standards for various things.
01:14:57
>> The short answer is kind of um
01:15:01
>> THX.
01:15:02
>> Yeah, THX would be an example of one of
01:15:04
these companies. Dolby would be another
01:15:05
example of one of these companies. And
01:15:07
what they're doing is they're saying if
01:15:08
you deliver your audio meeting these
01:15:11
specs, it will sound like this on these
01:15:13
systems. So kind of
01:15:15
>> All right. This question comes from
01:15:17
Owen. If you couldn't talk about tech on
01:15:20
the podcast, what would it be about?
01:15:22
>> I think that's pretty clear.
01:15:24
>> This would be This would be an NBA
01:15:26
podcast.
01:15:27
>> What would I do?
01:15:29
>> We would explain everything to you
01:15:31
component.
01:15:32
>> That would actually be really fun. Like
01:15:34
like
01:15:35
>> the token dumb guy.
01:15:36
>> No, we don't. Cuz
01:15:41
>> get out of here. No, Andrew wouldn't
01:15:43
know what to do either, right?
01:15:44
>> Yeah. Andrew and I would start our own
01:15:46
podcast and you guys could have your
01:15:48
basketball podcast.
01:15:50
>> Tech is kind of everything though.
01:15:51
>> Tech is everything. That's That's
01:15:53
>> like if you say photography, it's just
01:15:54
tech still.
01:15:55
>> I know. It's
01:15:56
>> even policy is tech. I know. It's crazy.
01:15:59
It's like
01:16:01
>> if you say cars, it's kind of
01:16:03
>> When we used to cover tech, it used to
01:16:05
be just for the nerds and like geeks
01:16:08
>> and then eventually it just bled into
01:16:09
everything. And the tech companies are
01:16:11
everything now because everything is a
01:16:13
tech company.
01:16:14
>> Yeah. Yeah,
01:16:14
>> even all birds.
01:16:15
>> Even
01:16:18
>> that's not going to get old anytime you
01:16:19
say.
01:16:20
>> Baby,
01:16:21
>> this one comes from AJ. Who do the
01:16:23
Waveform podcast hosts listen to as
01:16:26
their waveform podcast?
01:16:27
>> Oh, wow. I'm kind of embarrassed.
01:16:30
>> Tech. Am I allowed to I don't really
01:16:32
know.
01:16:32
>> They specifically asked about tech, but
01:16:34
I figured it doesn't have to be about
01:16:35
tech if you listen to something else. I
01:16:37
don't know what you guys listen to a
01:16:38
lot.
01:16:38
>> I listen to a lot of podcasts. I I don't
01:16:41
I I read The Verge. I really like Yeah.
01:16:45
Um I'll usually go through like TechMe
01:16:47
once a day and see what's going on. Who
01:16:49
are some like tech writers I really
01:16:50
like? I really like um
01:16:53
>> I think Hardfork is like one of the best
01:16:54
shows right now.
01:16:56
>> Yeah, they're really good.
01:16:57
>> Have to be tech.
01:16:58
>> I know.
01:17:00
>> It's not exactly tech. There's a
01:17:01
Substack by a guy named Matt Stler
01:17:03
called Big that's about monopolies. And
01:17:06
so it ends up covering like he covered
01:17:08
all the antitrust stuff.
01:17:09
>> Is it a limited series?
01:17:11
>> It's a Substack. Oh
01:17:12
>> yeah, it's a word.
01:17:13
>> Is it a limited series?
01:17:15
>> Infinite. Matt Stler will never stop. I
01:17:17
really like that. Yeah. Yeah.
01:17:18
>> I like the American Prospect.
01:17:20
>> Prospect.org.
01:17:22
>> I will say um I dis there's a I hate
01:17:26
even Okay. Um
01:17:31
I like listening to Pivot.
01:17:33
Uh I disagree with both Cara and Scott a
01:17:36
lot.
01:17:37
However, when Scott is gone, I really
01:17:40
dislike the episodes. So, there's
01:17:43
something about their chemistry. Like, a
01:17:45
lot of people say they listen to
01:17:46
Waveform because of our chemistry,
01:17:47
right? Cuz we're all in love with each
01:17:49
other.
01:17:50
>> It's electric.
01:17:51
>> It's electric. It's electric. Anyway, uh
01:17:54
and they just have really good chemistry
01:17:56
and it's just really fun to listen to
01:17:58
people who are enthusiastic with good
01:17:59
chemistry, who are also pretty smart in
01:18:01
a number of categories, even if they're
01:18:03
wrong. A lot like us. I think that show
01:18:04
also is is good to listen to for us
01:18:07
because we don't necessarily need other
01:18:09
people's opinions on like new devices.
01:18:11
>> Yeah.
01:18:12
>> You know what I mean? Like I love
01:18:13
hearing other people's opinions but
01:18:15
generally we form our own opinions.
01:18:17
>> But for things like big tech policy news
01:18:22
generally has like a really large part
01:18:24
of their podcast dedicated to those
01:18:26
topics.
01:18:26
>> Hard for is just great in general. Yeah.
01:18:28
>> Yeah.
01:18:28
>> Yeah.
01:18:28
>> Um
01:18:29
>> they also have very good banter.
01:18:30
>> Yeah. Holy smokes. Sorry.
01:18:32
>> Sorry. Trivia time. Trivia, dude.
01:18:35
Question number one coming to us from
01:18:38
Mojave.
01:18:39
>> Mojave.
01:18:40
>> What was the last iPad to ship with iOS?
01:18:43
>> Oh, last to ship with iOS.
01:18:46
>> Yes.
01:18:46
>> Shoot. Correct.
01:18:50
>> I'm just going to leave it. See what
01:18:52
happens.
01:18:56
>> Like specific model.
01:18:58
Indeed. The WH100XM5
01:19:02
iPad.
01:19:06
I don't even think I'm right.
01:19:07
>> The iPad Air Gen 6.
01:19:12
>> What do you got?
01:19:14
>> Okay. Well, we're both wrong. Uh, I said
01:19:17
iPad Air 3.
01:19:19
>> What?
01:19:20
>> What?
01:19:21
>> Oh, I was wrong.
01:19:22
>> That's the piss yellow.
01:19:24
>> Oh, I actually got it. Wow.
01:19:26
>> Another piss device.
01:19:27
>> Wow.
01:19:29
Yeah, I wrote iPad Pro Gen one. I Yeah,
01:19:33
cuz remember last iPad to have iOS and I
01:19:36
was thinking first iPad to have iPad OS.
01:19:38
>> Yeah, but that's not the same thing.
01:19:40
>> Wow. I'm shocked I got that right.
01:19:41
>> Well, I'm also shocked you got that
01:19:43
right.
01:19:43
>> Stab in the dark. A broken clock is
01:19:44
right twice a day, folks.
01:19:46
>> Question two is closest without going
01:19:48
over. How many emojis are there in the
01:19:50
Apple keyboard? I'm going to write the
01:19:53
number that
01:19:55
I
01:19:57
that popped into my head
01:20:01
and
01:20:03
cross my fingers. Cross my fingers. Hope
01:20:05
to die. I think I'm wrong. But last time
01:20:09
I thought I was wrong.
01:20:10
>> You're right.
01:20:11
>> Yeah, man.
01:20:12
>> I think I'm You might be right twice a
01:20:13
day. I
01:20:14
>> think I'm way too low.
01:20:17
>> Remember I said wow when I saw the
01:20:18
answer many years ago.
01:20:21
>> Oh, yeah.
01:20:22
Reed, what do you got?
01:20:23
>> I have 647.
01:20:25
>> And David,
01:20:26
>> 3,100.
01:20:27
>> David, the point is yours. They're I'm
01:20:30
>> But is it 3,247 or something?
01:20:33
>> I'm finding a few different numbers. And
01:20:34
I think it's because some of them are
01:20:35
counting all the different like skin
01:20:36
tones and stuff as different, but it
01:20:38
seems like the general consensus is
01:20:39
there is about 3,700.
01:20:41
>> Nice. 3700
01:20:44
emojis.
01:20:45
>> Yep.
01:20:46
>> Yes.
01:20:47
>> That feels That number feels high.
01:20:49
>> It does. Yeah,
01:20:50
>> it does. But I also saw that number
01:20:52
recently and I was like crazy.
01:20:54
>> Uh, well, we learned something new.
01:20:56
David got another point. He really
01:20:57
didn't need it.
01:20:58
>> You got another point, too.
01:20:59
>> I got a point.
01:21:00
>> Basically, nothing happened except
01:21:01
Andrew fell below in the rankings.
01:21:02
>> Yeah, I desperately needed that.
01:21:04
>> Yeah.
01:21:04
>> Do you think Andrew will name his new
01:21:05
son emoji?
01:21:06
>> I would.
01:21:08
>> I don't know. We'll have to ask him.
01:21:09
We'll see.
01:21:10
>> Yeah. Anyway, thank you so much for all
01:21:12
the questions. It's fun when we kind of
01:21:14
get to go off the rails on our not so
01:21:16
regularly scheduled programming. Our
01:21:18
next episode we will be back on our
01:21:19
regularly scheduled programming and so
01:21:21
for that we will see you soon. Peace.
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