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The first Galaxy Fold was also pretty rough. Yeah, those bezels were they were thick. I mean, yeah. I mean, this the main screen on the
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front was like it was like a little watch phone inside of your phone. So, you know, this is better than that.
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Um, what is your hot take? I'm curious now. My hot take on bezels is Yo, what is up people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez.
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I'm Andrew. And I'm David. So, okay. This week we have a bunch of free software. That's pretty good. Uh, a
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new Teenage Engineering product that Adam is very excited about. Also, our first real look at uh the Samsung
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Trifold. I don't know if that's exactly what it'll be called, but it's the Trifold. We're going to call it that. Soulja Boy scamming again. Sorry. Uh,
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and we're gonna wrap it up with a game that Andrews made for us. That'll be fun. But first, I want to come in with a little nothing phone 3A
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response from nothing and a correction from last week. I thought you were gonna apologize to me again. Oh, I got excited.
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Do I have something to apologize for? I don't know. You could figure it out. All right. If you figure out what I figure it out by the end of this
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article. Okay. I'm ready. Um, so last week we talked about the 3A light and how it's basically just the CMF phone 2 with a nothing design
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language. $10 more expensive and a bunch of phone 2 a pro. No, just two pro. You are price. Okay, we thinking of the 3A light,
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which is the budget sub. Anyway, we can continue. Um, but yes, it was $10 more expensive and has a bunch of bloatware and ads.
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So, first I want to correct something. Last week, I said the cameras were exactly the same, but I was wrong. The
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3A ditches the CMF2 pros 50 m megapixel telephoto and adds a 2 megapixel macro camera instead. You'd love to see it. Love to see it. So, they're not the
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same. In fact, I think we can all agree CMF phone is better cameras. That's crazy. Um, even though it's less expensive. Um,
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and then since the release, nothing's been basically getting dunked on non-stop. Um, Ben Shun had a great
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article about basically just how Twitter's compiled all the the age-old uh receipts. Yeah, the receipt. Like how companies are like, "Let's make fun of other companies and they always just do that
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thing later." This is why Twitter's still so good at it. It is. Everyone has 5-year-old tweets. It's
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just Yeah, I'll link Ben's article in it. It compiles a bunch, but one is um I keep forgetting his name. He's one of
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the co-founders. Aus. He tweeted in 2023, 2 megapixel third camera sensors are the biggest scam of the 21st century, which is such a great take cuz I've said
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before like they're pretty useless. But to be in charge of a phone company that might do it in the future and to say it's the biggest scam of the 21st
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century is really putting yourself out there. I think people need to remember that you can just not tweet things.
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Yeah. like you don't have to. No, I'm glad he tweets this cuz you know how he really feels now. Yeah.
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Well, so he he since then replied to the almost threeyear-old tweet and said add
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to add context which first of all if you have to add context to a three-year-old tweet you've lost already. Um he said
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this is regarding depth sensors to optimize portrait mode as the second sensor can serve that purpose purpose. is for the 3A light. The options were
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either remove the third camera or convert it to a macro lens. And then since the community has been doing some
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fun great macro photography, we went with the later. This feels so much like when they uh the quote unquote
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placeholder images where he's just like, "No, no, no. We didn't make a mistake. Check out all these sweet pictures our
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people on nothing phones have taken." This macro of someone's eye that he posted looks like an AI photo because it's so low resolution
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because it's 2 megap. It's like so oversharpened. Yeah, it's it's one of those things that looks great in the thumbnail preview and then
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you blow it up and you're like, it's pretty bad. Yeah. Yeah, it's not great. But also 2 megapixels, like these aren't 2
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megapixel photos. I'm pretty sure you can't take these photos with a 2 megapixel macro camera. Maybe I'm wrong.
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It is. Yep. 2 megapixel. So, the three cameras are 50 megapixel wide, 8 megapixel ultrawide, 2 megapixel macro. Yeah, this photo is 1600 by 901, which fits within 2 megapixels. So,
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wow. Maybe you can take amazing macros with a 2 megapixel macro camera. Define amazing.
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Amazingly sure enough to get tweeted by the company's marketing guy in a basically apology.
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Yeah. Um so other than that, nothing has also been known a lot of times to talk about nothing OS takes out the
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bloatware. Carl Pay has tweeted a bunch of times like no that's bloatware. And they obviously on the 3A light have Tik Tok, Instagram, Facebook straight up already preloaded a bunch of meta um
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apps, service apps. And so their response to it was we heard your fe so on the 30th
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they said uh these apps come because they offer faster startup, smarter background performance, better power
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efficiency, seamless camera access. That's the reason for happening. But having them pre-installed what? Okay. But don't worry, you still retain full control. All of those can be
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uninstalled. I raise you that I feel like should be able to be uninstalled. Yeah. Like all of the I don't know how many of these things are true because they're pre-installed. If they're doing
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some special optimizations, I don't know. But if I just install it from the Play Store, all of those advantages will still be there, right? So, they can
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always be installed if I want them. The definition of bloatware is apps that are installed that I didn't want and are
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just taking up space. This is by definition. The only reason that they're saying that
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this is like not really bloatware is because the bloatware that we're used to from the very early phone and smartphone
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era was like I don't know a random Verizon or Candy Crusher like also like games
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pre-installed. Verizon messenger. Verizon messenger. Yeah, that kind of stuff. We'll talk about that later. There's
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like an NFL app on my first smartphone, my like HTC Thunderbolt I had. Like yeah, people don't use that. But
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I don't know. They're saying it's not bloware, but it's like if you have Tik Tok pre-installed, I don't want they're claiming these are the most
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widely used apps globally. So they're just which is it takes 5 seconds to download
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these. I think our definition of bloatware is you put a bunch of stuff on my phone that I don't want and I don't want to use and it's just taking up space. Now I
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have to go uninstall it. Their their rebuttal to that is, oh, but you do want to use these. These are the popular
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ones. It's Instagram and Tik Tok, right? But I don't necessarily think everyone wants to use the Facebook app or or all
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any or all of these meta properties. So, it's like it is still bloatware. Not everyone is going to use them, but it is
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not as offensive bloatware as the the ones that we're used to. Sure. And they're adding it because they
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get paid to add it, so they subsidize the phone, which I feel like just say that and people
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say it, dude. I'm Yes. Exactly. They could literally go like the the only way we were able to make this. So,
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we were able to make this so cheap by installing this stuff because we assume you want it anyway. You can uninstall it
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if you want, but that's how we're able to make our products like affordable. Yeah. But when you like dance around it,
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people are not stupid. People know how this works. Yep. They they also said so the meta
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service apps at first couldn't be taken off. They could only be disabled. And he like he wrote how to disable it as this
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like settings app things. F. There's like four or five steps to get into it. I didn't know that they could still do
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that. I remember that being a thing where you couldn't actually uninstall apps. You could only disable them and it would like turn them off but it still
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retained the app data or whatever storage. I thought that they got rid of that but I guess not.
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Yeah. I mean there's still system apps you can't dis can't remove. I was surprised that they could do that for like such obvious third party.
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That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Yeah. Like I wouldn't I get for system 32 a non removable Facebook app is kind of
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crazy. Yeah. Unless you have the HTC first, you know, I think you can remove the Facebook app,
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but it's just like the meta services stuff or I don't know. I might be wrong about that. So bad.
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Um, yeah, community is not happy, I think, is the safest way to say it. Um, nice little update on because they're pre-installed, they offer faster startup. What does that
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even mean? I don't understand what that mean. I think it means like when you first set up the phone, it is now faster because
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Instagram quicker when you first unboxer, nothing that important to the experience. Like on a Pixel, I can't
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uninstall Gmail. I'd have to like Can't you I'd have to disable it. Yeah, I can like root my phone and then uninstall. Try doing it right now. I'll try it right now. I can only disable or archive. Interesting.
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I cannot Google on Google. Like I'm sure nothing also can't Yeah. You can't take off the nothing apps that
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are on it, but people don't consider that bloatware cuz it's the, you know, the phones the company. Yeah. But
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when you start putting all these third party things in there, it's a little more annoying. Yeah. Didn't Apple get in trouble for
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not letting you uninstall like preloaded Apple apps or something? Every year? Not maybe not even every
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year, but it feels like every one or two years with the new iOS update, we get one or two more default apps. I think
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with iOS 26, there was a preview app that got added and I think maybe one more app that got like by default and
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they just snuck them in there and they show up with the software update and people usually just remove them and it's
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no big deal. But there's a bunch of stuff now that comes on the iPhone and we kind of just accept it.
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By the way, the preview app is very frustrating. I made a folder on my iPad of photos and every time you click it,
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it opens preview and then it looks at that in preview and you you can't you can't just like move over to the next
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photo in the folder. Like normally on a Mac like you can just hit the the next button and it goes
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through the folder, right? But because it opens preview and just opens that singular image in preview,
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you can't just scroll. So you have to go back to the files app is the other one. Yeah.
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Yeah. It's so annoying. That's it doesn't quite work like a Mac otherwise you would just have a Mac and Apple can't
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have that. They did update it one more time and saying we're hoping to roll out a way to just take off meta app installer app
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manager and meta services. We're hoping but it should be out end of the month but I'm not going to so but Meta already
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paid us so yeah fair or hoping to be able to uninstall them. It will still come default.
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Yeah. Yeah. All right. Do we want to talk about Affinity? Yeah. fill me in cuz I don't use any
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Affinity products, but I've heard people at the studio losing their absolute minds over
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and one of them sitting right next to me. So, please please tell me why it's such a big deal what what Affinity is doing.
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So, yeah. Do you do does anyone use Affinity here at all? I started last month like towards the
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tail end of this whole thing. Cool. I sorry. I also want to note that this is important because they are
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basically the Adobe competitor for sure for like their Adobe's whole suite. And ever since Adobe moved over to Creative Cloud a number of years ago and every single thing is a subscription, you no
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longer were able to just buy creative software that you can buy once and use forever. Affinity in like 2016 basically
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started like making a bunch of parallels to all the Adobe apps. So I'd heard about Affinity Photo that's like
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Lightroom. Affinity Photo is like Photoshop. Affinity Designer is like Illustrator and Affinity Affinity Publisher is like
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Inesign. Yeah. Okay. And they're not subscriptions. No, they were like 70 bucks a piece. I think
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iPad app was like 20 bucks. Um but they varied. Yeah. Yeah. And they had an iPad app which was
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great. Mhm. The reason we're bringing this up again is because last week Ellis on Wednesday was like, "Hey everyone, I
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don't know if this is going to be the same as on Friday, like when it releases, but right now Affinity is
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free." And it felt like because they they had been bought by Canva in 2024 and on Wednesday there was this feeling of an announcement that was going to come out on the 30th that we knew about which
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was Thursday. So for us, you know, Wednesday, Thursday, then release Friday. So it's like is this going to be free because tomorrow Canva is going to
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say we're shutting down Affinity or changing it. Like are you going to get a free version that doesn't get upgraded?
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It you know we all kind of expect the worst out of stuff like that when we see it.
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But on the 30th, what they did is they actually announced two things. One is that the three different apps that they
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had are now combined into this singular piece of software that you can now switch between essentially Photoshop,
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Illustrator, Inesign through a tab switch on the top and get all the different tools without having to go
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through different programs including your file moving between all of them. That's awesome. Which is awesome. That's really cool
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actually. Mega app. Yeah, I think it's really neat and that they're completely free. add a video editor.
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Well, that's fair, but we can sort of get to that later. Um, but like so now that all of them are three at at times, like we mentioned, they could be up to $70 each. Um,
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yeah, Canva just was like, "Hey, here you go. These are all free and just available." Canva's reasoning for this was that Canva itself has like a corporate plan which is very popular
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because their competitor is basically Adobe Photoshop Express which nobody really uses. So that's a subscription the Canva thing. Canva is a subscription and their corporate subscription is like much more
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expensive and they make a they sell a lot of subscriptions. I I also I didn't read
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this anywhere, but this is a theory of mine. Like I think a lot a lot of what you get out of the Canvas subscription is you get access to this library of
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assets that's made by Canva designers. And I believe with a subscription, you would get access to those assets in I can jump ahead. Thank you. If the AI tools inside of the new
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Affinity stuff is only available through Canva Premium, which is that's like the main thing
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you're unlocking is generative fill. Yeah. But for the most part, the main tools that are like Photoshop
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competitors other than, you know, we're seeing this multitude of new AI tools coming into design programs, those are
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the things that are locked behind a subscription, which is Canva Premium. That makes sense then. So, it's like they're making Canva free with a bunch
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of its basic tools as a vessel. A lot of really powerful tools. Sure. Affinity free. Affinity. Affinity. Sorry. Infinity is free as a vessel to hopefully get you to subscribe
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at some point for some of the more advanced/ AI tools because those are good. Yeah, think about it like this like if
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you are a business and you you are more likely to buy a Canva Pro subscription for your designers if it also comes with
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all these other design tools so that you don't have to also have an Adobe cloud subscription for all of the you know in
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design and Illustrator and Photoshop. So if you if you have Canva, which is sort
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of a like a rapid prototyping design tool in a way, it's also it's like everyone's first like everyone who's not a creat
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dude. I wouldn't even describe it as that. Like I can't remember the last time I got like a wedding invite or like
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really any document ever that wasn't made in in Canva because they have a lot of like very
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stylish designs that are so made by actual designers. Super easy. Yeah. Yeah. Like like I feel like all other
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platforms when they use the term drag and drop are like ish and Canva is like literally the most
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drag and drop I'm graphic designing thing ever. Yeah. So from a business perspective it's like they already have an incentive
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to use Canva. But then if you want your entire team to be using it, a lot of those actual designers on your team are
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going to need more procreative tools and usually they'd have to go to Adobe Creative Cloud. So now if they make
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these free then it's like it's much more incentive for a business to subscribe to Cam Can Canva Pro because you also get
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these creative tools. Makes sense. And if I have the breakdown of what Canva Premium costs and what Adobe costs
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if we want to look at that real quick because even still Canva Premium $13 a month or $100 $120 a year if you pay
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yearly which I $10 a month. Yeah. Creative Cloud Pro. It's so confusing how this pricing works. And this is non business. This is if just you're an individual buying. Yep. So $105 a month. If you pay just
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monthly. Mhm. If you pay monthly but commit to annual, it's $70 a month or $780 a year.
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This is a little different because Creative Cloud Pro comes with everything. There's a ton of it. All the AI stuff.
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If you're picking individual programs, it generally runs $23 a month with an annual subscription. So we're talking
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about half the price for Affinity. Um, and that's even half the price of one singular program. Yeah. Of uh Adobe. And that's if you want the Canva Pro features because if you just want to use
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Affinity without all of the like AI generative stuff, it's all free. It's just free. Yeah.
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So, as you wrote down here, you can basically make any creative uh project now for completely free because you can take your phone, film a video, edit in Da Vinci Resolve, which
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is like a pro video editing app that is also free. Mhm. Uh create your own graphics and thumbnails in Affinity and then you
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spent no money. That's a pretty big deal. It's the best time ever to be to want to
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try creating. Yeah. With like very low risk. I I've only used Affinity on my iPad so
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far and I will say it's my favorite iPad design app. Like I think it's way better
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than the Adobe Illustrator uh Procreate is better at like the brush simulation stuff. Like there is like a bunch of like under the hood stuff in
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Procreate that just makes it like butter, which I feel like is their whole thing. But the it's so much easier to
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work in the vector space and work with text and like do things that aren't literally drawing in Illust and I've
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found that the brushes in Affinity Design are like not that much worse. Yeah, I want to try it because this is one of those things where I've used Photoshop for so long begrudgingly and luckily
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work at a company that pays for my Adobe suite. So like that makes it um but like
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this is the kind of stuff where there's no one around me who is like I just want to edit some photos or that I'm ever going to suggest Photoshop for. Like
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it's just too expensive. So the free version of this without some AI tools is like at least you can learn the basics
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of everything and really see if you want to do this stuff for the same price of a year of Photoshop, you could buy a pixel and
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just put all of your photos in the Google magic editor and just do it all like that. Like
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yeah, I think that there's more mounting pressure on Adobe to either lower their prices or create some sort of premium
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software that people can use without having to pay for the whole subscription. I'm still a little confused why Affinity did this in the
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first place because I feel like their subscriber base is typically professionals marketing department, you know. Affinity or Canva? Uh, Canva, you're right. Yeah, sorry.
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Well, they did it to get more Canva subscribers, but I don't think people that are signing up to use Affinity are going to
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inherently use Canva because no one I think it's the other way around. You mean people using Canva are just going
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to now use Affinity because businesses are more incentivized to to have a Canva Pro subscription if it also
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comes with a bunch of creative software for their more professional users. Yeah. So like in order to get the all
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the AI tools and stuff out of which I keep saying AI tools and it's easy to dunk on AI but like more and more design
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programs are having tools that just help you save time. It's not I'm not saying it's like a go into Affinity and create
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an entire thing using just AI. It's like subject select, advanced generative fill, like those are super helpful
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tools. Also, just like so many people subscribe to Canva, you know what I mean? I think a lot of marketing departments subscribe to Canva, but regular people just use the free version to make
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but that's the whole thing. They're they're subsidizing affinity for regular people by getting more marketing
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departments to sign up for Cana Pro. This also might be I I know I personally have so many friends who are not professional designers are not creative professionals and keep a Canvas
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subscription going just because anytime they need to format any like people use it instead of Google Docs.
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Can I Yeah. You know what I mean? But like everyone I know that uses Canva has one project that they just edit
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constantly because they refuse to pay for the subscription. I I got my payers here. Okay. This is
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totally anecdotal, but teachers use Canva like crazy. Yeah, Canva is the new PowerPoint. It's
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like everyone uses Canva. Like when Jess worked in an ad agency, all of their decks were made in Canva.
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Everything was made in Canva. But that's what I mean. Like those are not people who are making thumbnails for YouTube
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videos. I think it's a happy accident that now it's free for all of us. But I'm just confused why they did it that
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like what is their incentive? But David's make point makes sense which is that like it's just another tool that
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their people can use now since you're already paying for the canvas subscription you know and to there's like such an entrenched
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uh there's still so many businesses that use Adobe stuff like all of there's so much After Effects and Photoshop and all
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the you know Adobe design stuff that people have been using forever and the only way to get someone out of that is
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to offer something that gives you substantially more value or seems like it would be a better deal to actually
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get you to unsubscribe from the Adobe thing. So, if you're going to get someone to leave Adobe, you got to make moves. And this is one of the moves they
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decide to try to make. Yeah. I just feel like that's still going to like I don't know. I think it's cool. I
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think it's awesome because we get to play with a new thing that's free. But like Tim is not leaving Photoshop. That you're never going to convert
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people who like went to school for design and are doing this forever. And are the real professionals are sticking to the
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Yeah, but now now you start the new individual too. If you're an individual paying for the Adobe suite and you
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realize you could save a lot of money by using the canvas stuff, every individual is very unhappy with
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how much they have to pay for. Marquez, as someone that pays for all of our Adobe subscriptions, are you tempted at all by this?
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Yeah, dude. Every time you guys are like, "Hey, can we add one more seat for Adobe?" I'm like, "Do you really really
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want this?" Yes. Because this will cost me $1,500 a month for every single person we add.
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1,500 so much. Not quite, but it's it's a lot of it might as well be. The pro version is way more because it
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comes with like more tokens or but it's not like I can just Yeah, that's so I would love to be able to just go I can add one seat for just Photoshop, but of course Adobe doesn't want you to be able
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to do that as a business. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um I I'll just tack on to this as we're talking about uh like bringing people off of Adobe is
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like this is free for now. We always have to just be aware. They've claimed that I think it's going to stay free, but you can never trust. It said free forever. Um, but also, um, nothing said
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2 megapixel cameras are the biggest scam of the 21st century. So, just remember any of these things can change at any
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time. So, uh, we won't be surprised when that happens. I mean, that's the whole reason that
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people often are like, you need to just host everything yourself because everything is like free and great until
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it's not and companies will always like bait and switch you eventually. So, you know, use
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it while you got it. Use it. Yeah. Now's the best time, better time than ever to try and make
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that channel or whatever you've been thinking about because you can between Resolve and Affinity. Yeah.
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You can do pretty much everything that you could do when you first started your YouTube channel, right? Yeah, basically
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wild be set to go. The new Affinity app now has like a new file format, I believe. I wonder if
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that's going to be compatible with anything else. Is that the AF file? I love it.
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I wonder. Is that because so it can switch between I wonder if that's so it can switch
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between the Yeah, but I mean more so like what you're getting at is like in 10 years if they decide oh now we're charging and
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now you have like a backlog of all your professional work that's afra uh Statista but it's like or not Statista what's the the Statista for money?
00:24:00
You know what I'm talking about? Poly market. Jeez. Uh it's like it's like like they
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acrew data from shareholder. Oh yeah yeah yeah. Um something research whatever SharePoint research or something like that that thing. Uh but uh Affinity's growth
00:24:16
has outpaced almost all their competitors here. They it says they outpaced Figma, Muro, and Adobe in year-over-year growth. Dang. Um, and they also do
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more revenue than Figma and Miro. So, I think they literally just are like than Figma.
00:24:34
Yeah. Wow. So, that's crazy. Well, that's what I'm saying is like like Canva, I don't think
00:24:40
we we I think we're underestimating how used and paid for Canva is like and so I
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just think it makes sense for Affinity to be like if we have the the casuals cornered in the market,
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you know, let's get the power users in too. And maybe they'll start charging us eventually. Just to be accurate, if I add a seat to our Adobe Creative Cloud Pro Plus for
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Teams, it's about $1,500 a year. XL XL Ultra. Yeah. 1,500. Okay. Well, um, speaking of adding things, uh, Samsung added another screen
00:25:19
to its trifold. And we've been talking another screen to it trifold. Well, it's actually the same amount of
00:25:24
screens. It's just they added a fold. That's true. They added an additional fold. They added a fold. We finally got
00:25:30
our first look at the Samsung Trifold phone. We had previously just seen animations of this and they had
00:25:36
mentioned it would come out before the end of the year. It is currently November 5th. We'll see if that happens.
00:25:41
This is the most careful slow roll out imaginable. Like first it's an animation and the name and then it's like a little glyph on their on their presentation.
00:25:52
Now it's behind a glass so no one can touch it but it's showing it closed and open. So you can't see it closed or open but you can see what it looks like closed and open. Yeah.
00:26:02
And it is indeed a roughly what 6.7 in phone closed and a 10-in tablet open. Yes. So that's exciting. That's the whole point. You get a real tablet size screen while it's open.
00:26:15
The thing that is slightly less exciting is that those bezels are thick with multiple C's.
00:26:20
Yeah. I have a hotter take about that. Oh, interesting. The first Galaxy Fold was also pretty rough. Yeah, those bezels were they were thick.
00:26:31
I mean, I mean, this the main screen on the front was like it was like a little watch phone inside of your phone. So, you know, this is better than that. Um, what is your hot take? I'm curious
00:26:43
now. My hot take on bezels is YouTube comments and most of us nerds way overreact to bezel thickness. And I I get this comment a lot. Like I'll have two phones next to each other and I'll
00:26:56
compare them and I'll be like, "See, man, this phone looks like basically just as premium." And someone will go, "Look at the bezels on the S26 FE.
00:27:03
Disgusting, horrible, unacceptable." And they're next to each other and it's literally 1 millm or more bezel. and they're serious and they're like, "I could never use a phone with that much bezel." I'm like, "Dude, if you maybe
00:27:14
it's cuz I'm old or something, but if you rewind like 7 8 n years when phones actually had thick bezels, I'm like, dude, every phone today north of $200
00:27:25
has thin bezels. I don't care. Like, I'm not looking at the Motorola at Dino. Do you remember the bathtub notch? Do
00:27:30
you remember like the actually thick bezels?" So, I see this and I, you know, Yeah, the bezels are a little thicker,
00:27:37
but they're not even that much thicker than real bezels. The first fold had that crazy like outside screen like
00:27:44
that. That was genuinely you can complain about how thick the bezels are for sure. But now as I'm using basically all of
00:27:49
these phones, all of them have thin enough bezels. And I'm reviewing a phone right now that has like they're bragging about how thin the
00:27:55
bezels are. They invented a new technology to fold the OLED even closer to the edges to get 1.15 mm bezels
00:28:01
instead of 1.5 mm bezels, which to them is like a 40% improvement. But to me, I'm like,
00:28:08
hey, man, thin bezels all the way around. They're retina bezels. Yeah. So, I I love thin bezels as much
00:28:15
as anyone else, but I am not getting nearly as worked up. I think people are overreacting to thick bezels. Yeah, I'm I'm not really worked up about
00:28:21
it. What I will say is funny about this is the thick bezels are on the front and the inside whereas like the inside's
00:28:26
this crazy new technology to get all of that and I understand it. The outside's still really thick for just the front
00:28:33
side of the phone which I presume is something they've done already. Maybe I'm wrong. Yeah,
00:28:38
it's just I think it's also just how square the thing looks that the square the really black big bezels through the
00:28:43
whole thing just makes it look like uh a toy almost. Yeah. I have a prediction. Oh yeah. My prediction is that it will come out this year but only in Korea. That was mine also too.
00:28:56
Very likely. Mine was Yeah. announced and and comes out this year and I don't think we see
00:29:01
in the US till next year. Yeah. And it'll be like limited like a thousand units something like that.
00:29:07
For some reason, if you've never heard us talk about the trifold before and you don't know why
00:29:12
it's so weird as well is the way it folds. Um, and we got to see kind of a a picture of it closed from the top and because it folds where the so the this
00:29:25
is always hard to convey audio. So, if you are holding your phone, what you're going to do is you're going
00:29:32
to take the screen and flip it to the left and then that part is going to have to flip out one more time.
00:29:38
All right? And so you the way you look at it from above almost looks like if you took the letter the number six and like squashed
00:29:45
it. So, the letter G. Yeah. Or the letter G. It looks like a squashed letter G. Um, and what that
00:29:51
happens is on the back now, which we haven't seen before, is we have a triple camera setup very similar to like the
00:29:58
S20s, like S25, regular S25s. Um, and when you're looking at it from the back, you
00:30:03
have the the camera panel in the back on the left, then the front screen, then the front screen on the right, and then just a blank panel on the side of
00:30:11
that because that is the screen that is kind of living on the inside of it. Wait, so the screen is in the center,
00:30:16
you mean? Yes. The center of the back when it's open. Yeah. Which is awesome because the
00:30:22
Huawei Trifold, every time you open it, you think you're going to break it. Yeah. So, I actually think this is this is pretty
00:30:28
ideal. Yes, I agree. Ideal trifold setup. Yeah, I can't wait, dude. Oh my god, it's pretty cool. What I want to know is
00:30:34
can't wait if we're going to Let's assume this is the same thickness as the Fold 7, which
00:30:40
is 4.2 mill thicker. I also think it's going to be thicker, but even still, just thinking of it as
00:30:47
the the really thin new 4.2 thinness of like the opened Fold 7. Sure. Now, we add that together and we're at 12.6 mm thick. at closed, which is funny because that
00:31:01
actually would fall between the fold five and the fold six in terms of thickness, which is kind of impressive.
00:31:07
I thought it would have the original fold was 17 mm thick when Oh my gosh, again, that phone has some thick thick bezels, some thick dimensions, and that's fine.
00:31:19
Yeah. Yeah. So, but that's still really that's still a chunker phone. Yeah. Yeah. I'm curious about it cuz I
00:31:25
want to hold it, too. I want to like use it while it's closed. And I I think with a 10-in inside screen, you kind of have
00:31:32
to go a little thicker to have more battery cuz Samsung's not doing silicon carbon. So, how much battery do you get to fit
00:31:39
in this phone? I don't know. Unless they moved to silicon carbon with that phone. Maybe with this low volume they could. I don't know. They haven't done it in any
00:31:45
other phones yet. So, I kind of don't expect battery in all three of the folds. Yes, definitely. So, you have more room
00:31:50
for more battery, which is great. And you only need the compute in theoretically one of the three. Yeah.
00:31:57
Especially because normally you have to add it into So when it's a folding phone, it has two batteries. One of them
00:32:03
has a screen on the front and back and the other has screen and cameras on the back. Now one can be all there's a whole panel that's only screen
00:32:09
on the front now. So I wonder if that gives them more room to shove battery in. That would be nice.
00:32:14
Yeah, that would be nice. Be cool. I have a question for you guys. We probably don't have an answer. Yeah, it's more of a speculation. How many
00:32:22
more times do you think they're going to tease this before it launches? multiple. Okay. So, they're going to keep going.
00:32:27
Five. They're going to keep going on this path. So, right, it was just a glyph that was the animation. First first it was an animation that was
00:32:33
in like the system files within the Galaxy Fold 6. No, it it first was when they said the
00:32:41
cuz I remember a very funny story about this is in the beginning of the year when they announced XR at the Galaxy
00:32:46
Unpacked event, they had this timeline. Yes. And in the timeline there was just a trifold that no one mentioned and we
00:32:52
were That's what you're talking about with the glyph. Yeah, we were talking to our VR or the people we talked about cuz we did the Muhan
00:33:00
and I was just like, "So, what do you guys think? Like, do you think that timeline's going to be accurate that you guys posted?" And like
00:33:06
one of them was just thinking only about the headset like blah blah blah. And the one other guy was like, "Hold on, we
00:33:11
don't know about that." And like very clearly saw me trying to prod out the tripod that nobody said anything about.
00:33:17
So yeah, that's when we first saw it. Then yeah, it was like a new Android animation. Yeah, it was like an animation that was like in the system
00:33:23
files of Android that someone had uncovered that showed the way that it unfolded and how to not fold it the wrong way.
00:33:29
Yeah. So, if I continue to extrapolate and, you know, Samsung's now showing us the phone behind glass, but no one can
00:33:35
touch it, I think then they're going they're going to have a small number of people go in and be able to point at it
00:33:41
and probably just take pictures of it and then someone will be able to unfold it on video and then someone will be
00:33:46
able to maybe make a whole review of it. They're gonna tease this out uh as deliberately and slowly as possible because they've seen what happens when
00:33:57
they maybe aren't so careful with their folding devices. They're going to give us that IV drip,
00:34:03
you know. Yeah. I was going to say remember the Surface Duo embargo say that we're also
00:34:10
going to ask about situation after this. What if we create a new rule? You get one embargo per screen on your device.
00:34:18
So, I would be okay if this has three embaros on it. So, the Nintendo DS would have had two. Yeah. One embargo.
00:34:24
I'm also just joking. It should always be one embargo. Maybe an impressions and a release. For reference, the Surface Duo embargo
00:34:30
situation, there was three embargos. There was one that was just you could talk about the thing at the event. There
00:34:37
was one where you could review the hardware but not show the screen on, which was insane. And then there was
00:34:43
like the full embargo which came out on the day that people got their phones which was where you can review the rest of the phone. The red flags were very that was such a the clearest red flag of
00:34:55
all time because in the meantime we're testing it behind the scenes and we're like oh
00:35:00
really buggy. But when you turn the screen off it's like stunningly thin and really really beautiful. And then the embargo says
00:35:06
you're allowed to show off the stunningly thin and beautiful part but you can't show the software until people are already pre-ordering the thing. That
00:35:12
was I think it was the day that they got their devices. Like the day the premiers came in was the day that the actual
00:35:17
review embargo lifted. Okay. Yeah. Even worse. So many red flag. So that's that's a huge red flag that still happens today by the way. Like
00:35:23
there are lots of phones where I skip the first embargo because the first embargo is you're allowed to acknowledge its existence and then the second
00:35:29
embargo is you're allowed to publish photos taken on its camera. And then the third embargo is you're allowed to unbox
00:35:34
it. And then the fourth embargo is you're allowed to review it. and I just skip all of the first three because why would I participate in the free press
00:35:41
and just wait until I review the thing? So, yeah, it it happens to this day. It's
00:35:46
kind of rampant. I think that's going to happen with this phone when people get in their hands to review. We're going to I'm going to try to get one anyway. I'm
00:35:52
going to try to like source one through retail or Dbrand and whatever we can just to just to review the thing cuz it
00:35:58
seems sick. But yeah, I guarantee they're going to slow drip this thing. Yeah, I don't mind multiple embargos as long as the last one is before people
00:36:05
can spend their money. at all agree. That's a good rule. Yeah, that's a good rule. Speaking of spending money,
00:36:11
um me, if I were to bet money on trivia, but uh we can't do that according to the FCC. Um and we shouldn't do that.
00:36:23
I'm just joking. We probably could. Online gambling is melting. By the way, speak speaking of gambling, I was I was
00:36:29
at a party that the other night and they had uh they had poker tables and I walked in like a big baller and I
00:36:36
played one hand and I won one hand and then I pieced the out and it was great. I was like, I'm statistically improbably
00:36:44
up. So, casinos hate him. Yeah. And I made casinos hate him. They hate this one rule.
00:36:49
$37, baby. $37. I got three aces. Nice. That's a crazy Wait, you sat down for one hand and and hold them and got triple aces.
00:37:00
You can't wait and then pieced. I'm not going to get that luck again. If you have two aces and then there's
00:37:06
one in the Oh, okay. Or the river. Yeah. Or when I got I think. Did you have like a good poker face the
00:37:12
whole time? Like you sat down for your first hand holding two aces? Yeah. And you got a an ace on the turn and
00:37:18
just How did you not take everyone's money? $37. There was a guy that tried to He
00:37:23
was like 15 cuz the minimum bet was five and he he was like 15 and I was like okay
00:37:30
I should have just gone all in cuz it was a $100 buy in but whatever. That is hilarious. Well, I'm glad it
00:37:36
worked out. I was like all right I guess. Yeah, whatever. I mean I have aces so well. You know it's not worth 15
00:37:43
unless you give me 15 points on today's trivia question. Yeah, I'll think about it. Okay. But low temperature polyrystalline
00:37:50
oxide or LTPO was developed by Apple when they were trying to get a more efficient OLED screen together. Okay.
00:38:01
Samsung to navigate patent law actually developed their own similar technology which can be found in the S25 lineup. What is Samsung's version of LTPO
00:38:15
called? It has a very silly name. It's a great question and I didn't know it. It's very goofy. Very silly goofy. Now I'm feeling like a XP pixels.
00:38:26
I'll think of it. I'll I'll I'll think I'll think of a hint that doesn't give it all away. Marquez
00:38:32
really bold. He already wrote it. Anyway, fan edition. You know fan edition. Finally a tech question on the waveform
00:38:44
podcast. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah. Okay. Wow. Well, hey, answers will be at the end
00:38:49
like usual. We'll either get it right or we'll learn something. Be right back or both.
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00:41:04
now the Adam cast because for the next 48 minutes I'm just going to yell at you about the new Teenage Engineering
00:41:10
product and you are going to sit there and be happy. Not a sponsor. Not a sponsor. Um, no. Basically,
00:41:16
Teenage Engineering released a new sampler product called the Rhythm and Ting. Uh, getting major inspiration from Jamaican reae. Yeah. Yeah. It's on
00:41:27
purpose. They collabed with a bunch of artists to like get custom sounds and samples in there from Jamaica and
00:41:33
everything like that. Uh, also some of the proceeds go to Hurricane Relief, I believe, which is cool. Um, nice.
00:41:40
Yeah, you guys had questions. You said, "What is it?" What is it? What is it? So,
00:41:46
what is it? And why do I want it despite not knowing what it is? Everything they make looks like a fun
00:41:51
toy. It's a It's a fun cool thing. Uh, if you remember, I think last year or was it last year, early this year? I
00:41:57
forget, but we interviewed on this very podcast someone from Teenage Engineering, one of the co-founders to
00:42:03
talk about their release of the EP 133, which was a sample little box thing. Uh,
00:42:10
so this is also based on that platform. This is the Wait, checks notes, checks, notes. The EP40. So the EP is just the platform that they have, which is this like box situation
00:42:24
with a bunch of buttons, and they all kind of look the same. like they developed it specifically so they can make a bunch of different versions of
00:42:30
these things with different sounds and looks and features and all that stuff. So the first one was the EP133 that we
00:42:37
spoke about during that interview a year ago. Uh the second one was the medieval one which was like when it launched I
00:42:44
think everyone here in the studio was a little confused. We were like is this a joke or not? Kind of was.
00:42:49
It kind of was. It's like it's a sampler box but with medieval sounds in it. Like harps accord and stuff. I love it. Yeah. I own a harps accord by the way. Nice. Good. Big organ guy.
00:43:00
When are you going to bring it in? They had organ in there too, I believe. Yeah, I can bring it in whenever you want. What? I've been to your apartment. Where's
00:43:06
your harpsacord? It's in the harps accord. It is a room. Yeah, it's at my mom's house.
00:43:12
Oh, okay. I was like, it took me a second to register cuz that's not like a small instrument. Fun fact, in high
00:43:18
school I played harps accord and I played ocarina and I also played um digidoo. Why can't you play a normal instrument?
00:43:24
That is an unreal three instrument. I'm imagining like the those like uh street performers that have a bunch connected together and him having those three somehow. Uh dude, you would have crushed with the
00:43:37
what's this one? Accordion. Accordion's too normal. He needs like harmonium like the like.
00:43:43
Yeah, that's would have been the greatest oneman band of all time. I was a special type of hippie in high
00:43:50
school. I'll tell you that. David, I'm sorry. You didn't deserve that. I I really No, I totally deserve that. Anyway,
00:43:55
continue. I think it's cool, David. Thanks, Adam. Continue. Yeah. So, this EP40 is their latest
00:44:01
installment of the platform basically, which is has a bunch of like rhythm sounds and bass sounds. It has a new synth engine that they're calling super tone. And I think I believe you get like
00:44:13
seven different synths in it, which is cool. That is something that the other versions did not have. So that is like
00:44:18
purely new. But the coolest thing, the thing that you guys mentioned probably before we started recording, but it is
00:44:24
the little like walkie-talkie device. The coolest thing. You The coolest thing. Nice. Nice. What is the like trucker radio called,
00:44:32
Ellis? Like the always on like like ham. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like this looks like the thing like if you're a truck and you're like breaker breaker or like a cop and Yeah. Yeah. It's like connected
00:44:43
to the side. Yeah. But if like Fisher Price made it. Yeah. Like really sick Fisher Price. Yeah. Cuz it's like multiple colors.
00:44:50
Fisher Fisher Price. So basically all that thing is is a microphone. That's it. Yeah. It has certain features. So, for example, the I think if you guys listen
00:45:01
to I think the most recent trivia extravaganza, Ellis had a section where he transformed his voice into a bunch of different things. That is something that this does. It has chipmunk sound. It has
00:45:12
robot sound. It has just be being like a regular microphone, so you could like talk into it kind of like a
00:45:18
walkie-talkie. Then there's a fourth option which is like a lowfi version. So, it makes it sound like it's coming out of like a old
00:45:24
radio kind of thing. It's pretty cool. And then the microphone also has two buttons that let you play for samples, I
00:45:32
believe, like preloaded samples. So, the whole thing basically, it's not too much different than their last
00:45:38
two uh products, which is it's basically just a sampling machine. So, you can like a theme
00:45:44
with a theme. Yeah. So, they're all kind of the same. You can like if you have an older sampler machine, you can pretty much just load up all of these samples
00:45:51
onto it for the most part, minus the the new synth. And they also have new loops that you can do on here. But for the
00:45:57
most part, it's like you can just get these sounds anything. It's just the cool aesthetic of it. They all kind of match the the vibe for every individual.
00:46:04
Orange green is so good on like the cream color. It's it's it is I like they're running with these new themes because even though they really set the bar for the style that they had
00:46:15
with their old stuff, they had been doing that specific style for such a long time that it became a little bit
00:46:21
like other people were copying them and it started to be kind of an old aesthetic and now that they're getting
00:46:27
into the medieval stuff and the reggae style stuff like I think that it's cool that they're just like reaching out. They're keeping their like identity in
00:46:33
it with like these bits of orange, but then they when like normal teenage engineering is very like robotic.
00:46:40
They're bringing in all these fun new fonts and like colors and like pictures on it while still keeping that like
00:46:47
creamy with hints of orange and then adding another hint of some color and it's just I really wish I was Swedish artistically
00:46:54
talented. Agreed. I mean me too. Yeah, same stuff. What is What does this thing do
00:47:00
that the old EP133 does doesn't do? And what does the EP33 do that this doesn't do? The old EP133, I believe,
00:47:12
does nothing different than this one. This new one has two new features. That is the Supertone synth engine and live looping, I believe, or looping something
00:47:24
with looping. It's like a new looping mode that they have. So you can like play along with pre-loaded loops and stuff. Um, so they just like kind of
00:47:31
built on top of what the EP133 already did. And the original EP133 also had like 64 megabytes of memory. This one has 128. So it has double that, baby. A
00:47:43
whole 128. Taking every ounce of restriction in my body to not buy the $630 Bluetooth
00:47:51
speaker. Oh, because the top of it looks Look at this. It kind of looks like a battery. Like a car battery. That's so cool. Don't you want a car battery? Teenage Engineering is like one of those
00:48:03
companies where everything they release has like huge fanfare and everyone loves them and then
00:48:08
a whole other side of the internet that everyone hates it cuz it's like why is this thing so expensive because it's
00:48:14
form over function? Yeah. It's just like a fun thing and they charge for that. Yeah, for sure. They have a $900 version with a sticker on it. Sick. the little John Lennon.
00:48:25
They have a desk that's like 2G's or something like it's crazy. Yeah. No, I This is not
00:48:31
They also had a free computer case, so they just mess around sometime. Yeah, they just mess around and do things. Um the loop thing, it says a live loop
00:48:37
performance mode, so it seems like you can loop live. Mark is like a speaker or something.
00:48:43
Um Adam, did you already buy the the pack that comes with the rhythm ting and the bag? The bag is I did not get the bag. But I didn't get the bag cuz I already have a Teenage Engineering bag
00:48:54
that Jonno got. You're the bag guy. I know. But I have too many bags, bro. I'm trying to like cut back. Bag guy.
00:49:00
I specifically got the the version that did not have the bag. Did you get the socks?
00:49:05
No. No, I didn't. $30 socks. $30 sock. That ain't bad. It comes with two pairs. Oh, no, it doesn't. Two pack.
00:49:11
Two pack. Oh, wait. No, two pack. No, that is two pairs. Is that two socks or two? No, two pack. I think it comes with two
00:49:16
socks. Two socks. A two pack about a two pack. No, wait. No. No. It comes with Are you sure? Yes, I'm sure. It's one's green and one's white. Well, yeah. Well, yes. That's two socks.
00:49:28
No. No. One pair is green, one pair is white. Look. Yep. Rhythm. Ting. Rhythm. Ting. Okay. You guys really think a two pack of socks is only two socks?
00:49:39
I I You can never tell with Teenage Engineering. You can never tell. Yeah, it's hard. Like, you call it a pair of pants. You
00:49:46
know what I mean? But it's one pant. It's pants. It's You get two pants legs, but they're connected. But you still call it a pair.
00:49:53
Yeah, I guess. I don't want to do the sock argument any longer. I don't think I do. I kind of want to stay in the sock argument.
00:49:59
Two pack socks containing green and white pair. That still isn't clear. A green and white pair.
00:50:05
That's not clear. A green pair and a white pair. That's not a green and white pair. A green and white. You can count four
00:50:12
socks cuz they have the names on. They have the different Cuz each sock Oh, you have to scroll. We have to scroll. Okay, it is two pairs.
00:50:18
Confirmed. It's not clear until you scroll through the pictures that you're getting because
00:50:24
one picture of a green and a white sock could just be something quirky that they're doing. And then it says
00:50:29
I agree with that. I did green and white pair, which could be a pair that is green and white. It should say a green pair and a white
00:50:35
pair if they want to be clear. That's what they should say. If they want to be clear. Anyway. Well, yeah. This is uh pretty much if you are at all paying attention
00:50:42
to what Teenage Engineering has been doing with this platform, if you were a fan of the other ones, you would probably be a fan of this one. If it's
00:50:49
not for you, then you're not going to like this one either. You already own the other one, Adam? Yeah, I own both of these. And now I
00:50:54
ordered this one. So, I own all three. I want it. This is like the first Teenage Engineering product I've wanted. You can play with it. I'll bring it in.
00:51:01
And yet, you sold your OP1. I did. I sold the OP1 many moons ago. Miss it. Okay. Well, speaking of green things, um, Fairphone launched the green
00:51:11
Fairphone 6 this year. Nice. Wow. I know. Pretty green. Evergreen. And, uh, we talked about it
00:51:18
quite a lot, but Fairphone has traditionally only been a European brand and that's kind of been a bummer,
00:51:23
right? I did, uh, get one of my close friends on a Fairphone very recently. I was very
00:51:28
proud of her because she came from an iPhone. And from an iPhone to a fair phone. Yeah, I know. It was crazy. That's an
00:51:35
amazing accomplishment. What did you do to sell this? No. So, it was amaz So, actually what happened was that we I had just had a
00:51:41
briefing with Fairphone about the Fairphone 6 being sent to us. And then she text me randomly and she was she
00:51:47
sent me a link to the Fairphone 5. And she was like, "If I get this, then I can like offload I I don't have to deal with
00:51:53
Apple anymore." And I was like, "Oh, well, I'm getting a six." Anyway, it's incredible. And
00:51:58
I have never heard anyone utter that sentence. Yeah, she's complained about it a lot for sure, but I keep saying I
00:52:04
won't be upset if you move back to your iPhone. She's like, "No, I'm committed." She's committed. But the fun thing about
00:52:10
it is that she broke one of the cameras and I was like, "I'm going to get you a new camera." And she's like, "No, no,
00:52:15
no. It's fine." And I said, "This is more for me than for you." Because let me do this. The whole point of this phone is that
00:52:21
you can order individual parts. I need this use case to be real. Yes. So, I was able to order an
00:52:27
individual camera module that I can replace. How much was the camera module? Uh, I don't know. Do you remember? No, I don't remember.
00:52:33
But anyway, the news is that they are finally moving out of Europe. They are finally coming to the United States. So,
00:52:38
through Amazon, uh, at launch, they're going to be launching the Fairbuds XL, which we talked about last year a little
00:52:45
bit, but they have a new version coming out that apparently improves on everything. So, that's nice. Um,
00:52:51
everything. Yeah. We had the briefing. He was like, "It's better drivers, it's a better headband, it's more replaceable, it's" And they're not changing the name at
00:52:57
all, which is interesting. They're just sort of improving everything and making them nicer. Sure. So, those are coming out uh very
00:53:04
soon on Amazon. And then also in the future, they will be launching the Fairphone 6 in the United States as
00:53:11
well. They're in advanced talks with a lot of US carriers to actually get it registered on carriers. Wow.
00:53:17
So, you will officially be able to, you know, put a SIM card in it and, you know, do that and maybe do EIM. So, I
00:53:25
think that apparently they they the company grew 61% year-over-year this year, which means that people are really starting to be excited about their whole, you know, low um low mining
00:53:38
movement and stuff like that, very repairability movement, at least in Europe. And I think that there is a a
00:53:44
similar kind of movement in the United States, although we are mostly dominated by iOS, so we'll see how that happens in
00:53:51
the US. But either way, it's like exciting that you can finally officially buy this and not have to, you know, import it and then kind of have it work
00:53:57
on your carrier. Yeah. I mean, a lot of our listeners are based in the US and they hear us talk about
00:54:02
Fairphone, so now they might actually be able to. Yeah. So, that's a pretty big deal. I'm really curious to see how it does
00:54:09
because Yeah. Like Europe, it's a lot of Android phones. Uh, so it's like a bigger pool for them
00:54:15
to kind of dominate. That is not the case here. Although, it is growing. I guess there's a growing environmentally
00:54:21
conscious uh swath of people in the I mean Ellis is very environmentally conscious, but good luck getting him off
00:54:28
of iOS. Well, exactly. His his way of contributing to environmental protectionism is just never upgrading
00:54:34
from his iPhone 12 mini, which you know, he's doing his part. Um anyway, so that's that was some quick
00:54:42
news. Also, we have a new Moto Edge 70 coming out, which is really dang thin, only slightly thin, thicker than the iPhone Air, but it has a 4,800
00:54:56
mAh battery, which is wild. That's crazy. The S25 Ultra has a 5,000 mAh battery. Wow.
00:55:07
Imagine Marquez like in a cave painting 48 mill 4,800 milliamp silicon carve. Silicon. Yeah, I love me some silicon carp. This is this is how you enable this form factor
00:55:20
to actually be usable because this is what I was saying with the S25 Edge and the iPhone Air, which is like, okay, they're super thin and they have
00:55:26
obviously worse batteries because physics, but silicon carbon allowing you to get greater energy density in these
00:55:31
smaller batteries. This is the thing that would make it usable and at least be less concerning to me that you could use the phone all day. And here comes Motorola of all people. 7 Moto Edge 70.
00:55:43
They go ultra thin. It is silicon carbon. Yes. And it is 4,800 mAh. So it probably has a bigger battery than the phone you're using now. The S25 Plus battery today
00:55:54
is 4,900 mAh. So it's almost the same. So it's basically the same battery as a regular phone. Yeah. Love that. Yeah, you know, I am still on team. Instead of
00:56:05
making it thinner with the same battery life, just make it the same thickness with way better battery life. Well, those phones are coming. Don't
00:56:10
worry. Yeah, don't worry. That's true. I'm excited. But if you want the ultra thinness, that too can be
00:56:16
Yeah. And if everyone wants to eventually make foldables, it makes sense to make things that are ultra thin now so that they can just adapt it to a
00:56:23
foldable in the future. Mhm. Um, when I was writing this, I kept getting confused because
00:56:29
it's called the Edge, which to Motorola's credit, they've had the Edge name for a while. Yeah. It's been kind
00:56:34
It's their been their flagship. The Razer Edge for a while, too. Yeah. And so, this makes perfect sense, but I kept writing Samsung Edge.
00:56:40
Oh. Or I kept writing Edge, but then I had to cuz I was comparing it to the Samsung, which if you want exact thicknesses,
00:56:46
this is 5.99 millime thick. iPhone Air is 5.6 millimeters, and the Samsung Edge is 5.8 millime. Also batterywise, 4,800
00:56:55
milliamp hours on the Motorola Edge, 3149 in the Air, 3,900 in the Samsung edge.
00:57:02
Wow. Um, so it is doing great versus all of those. Um, despite being barely barely
00:57:07
thicker, I think it's like Yeah, less than a millimeter. Less than a third of a millimeter or like a third of a millimeter.
00:57:14
Um, but so we haven't gotten one. There's some reviews up on it. There's two things I found interesting. For $920,
00:57:21
which is a lot, this phone is apparently just cooked with bloatware and ads. It includes
00:57:29
things like Candy Crush, Monopoly, Pinterest, Co-Pilot, all pre-installed. Nothing's looking pretty good right now, not going to lie. Including, that's why I said then, like we'll talk about bloatware. Um,
00:57:41
including a ton of Motorola apps apparently. Wow. And then they also have ads in two different forms from what
00:57:47
I've seen, which is one is a folder in the app drawer that dynamically recommends apps that you might want that you don't have installed
00:57:53
that you don't have installed. My least favorite thing. And then also a live lock screen. And according to the Verge, sometimes it
00:57:58
shows links to articles, but about every fourth uh lock screen change is just a full screen teeu ad.
00:58:05
No way. So for that is crazy. for like a $100 phone. It's $920 and you get this. Not the the the the capitalist nightmare
00:58:17
phone. This is Marquez is your still thing right now. This is the thing about Motorola. Like I
00:58:23
they've had a bunch of phones come out over the past couple years that are like they they they're a blip on the radar and we see them and we go, "Huh?"
00:58:30
And then we just kind of move on. like they've been like strong in the budget space for a while and then every six to
00:58:36
eight months they come out with a flagship and we go h it's not really hitting like they they
00:58:42
did an okay job here and it will kind of pass but like this is another version of and this isn't even a flagship uh like
00:58:49
chip in this phone or a flagship camera in this phone. This is just a very thin phone. It's also not a US device. It's a Snapdragon 7 Gen 4. Uh $900
00:58:56
something dollars to just I mean silicon carbon is great but it's another their silicon garbage.
00:59:02
It's another like weird kind of miss from Motorola in the flagship space, but they are doing things.
00:59:08
They had to pay for the panone color. That's that was the other interesting thing I saw is I was like, is that panone swatch on the bottom of I don't
00:59:15
think it's even a glass back, so I'm assuming the back's going to change colors very quickly. And this is a panone swatch. Also,
00:59:22
they're for some reason obsessed with this. Even I think like four or five years ago on the Razer, they were like this. They have this. We have a we have
00:59:28
a phone in like black, white, gray, and the panone color of the year, bright pink. And it was like a whole big deal that they could use the panone color of the year. And they've just been
00:59:39
doing it ever since. As if anyone cares about the panone color of the year. I But this one has the swatch picture on
00:59:46
the back of the phone. They're leaning even more into kind of hard. It's kind I was going to say that is really cool.
00:59:51
You have to explain to someone why you swatch on the back of your phone and you got to be like, "Oh, this is the panone
00:59:56
color." and someone goes, "Well, what's that?" And you have to go, "Oh, this would be so funny if it had the
01:00:02
same manufacturing flaws the 17 orange did, where the whole phone starts shifting color, but the panone stays
01:00:09
exactly the same and you just can now see the difference." It would also be funny if Motorola
01:00:14
stopped paying panone and then it just turned black like it did in in Photoshop. You just lose access to the color.
01:00:20
That would be crazy. Yeah. See, they did this last year. This was the panone color of the year. Mocha moose. And the
01:00:25
year before was fiesta red. It's just brown. Yeah, it's just brown to be clear. But it's a certain hex value of brown.
01:00:32
Yeah, it's a special brown that you have to pay way too much for that will eventually start wiping off appreciate it and no one else can
01:00:38
appreciate it like you. I miss old Motorola. I know they're still dominating, but
01:00:43
like they're still dominating. It's cliche to say I miss the old insert whatever here, but old Motorola cooked
01:00:48
for a while. They had the Droid obviously back in those days, but then they had like the Droid X and they had
01:00:54
that sort of Droid. Yeah. And they had some bad phones too like they usually do, but they had some
01:01:01
good phones back in the day. Good stuff. Well, that's the thing. They always had like a bunch of options. So you don't
01:01:06
Yeah. Moto X was a good one. Like you can get a budget good Motorola. You could get a really cheap crappy Motorola
01:01:13
phone or like a top tier premium good Motorola phone. And then it just kind of like they just shifted towards budget
01:01:20
for everything. Now it's that's all one phone, baby. You get you get the top tier flagship and the disgusting budget experience all in
01:01:27
one package. Candy Crush, baby. Speak real quick. Speaking of like Google stuff that like
01:01:32
that cuz we were this is kind of cuz it's Android. Um and we were talking about the Fairphone. I just want to make
01:01:38
a one more observation about my friend who's been using the Fairphone. Okay. She was like, she was like, "Oh,
01:01:44
and also like when I swipe to the left, it has like these Google article recommendations and they're like amazing." And I was like, "What?"
01:01:50
Yo, I wish I was that. I was like, "Everything it ever My brother-in-law uses them, too." I was like, "Everything it ever serves
01:01:56
me is just like shovel wear like horrible articles." He's awesome. What are you doing? No. I stopped using the OnePlus phone because I couldn't turn that off. I was
01:02:07
so upset. My brother-in-law uses no social media, so that's just where he gets news from pretty much. And so,
01:02:14
like, that's the same with her. He always sends me stuff and he's like, "Oh, I just saw it on the whatever." She she's like in school right now and
01:02:20
she's been taking like these classes about um monkeys and apparently she's serving her a bunch of like different
01:02:26
random chimpanzeee articles and she finds it interesting. That's cool for you. Google knows a little bit about her.
01:02:32
I told her I was like, "There is one Google engineer who is like, oh my god, it's working. It's working." The engagement on this
01:02:38
one note is through the roof. Yeah, they just got a raise. That's how I've got one more thing to talk about and I'll try and make it really fast
01:02:44
even though it looks like I wrote a million things on it. Soulja Boy, but it is new Soulja Boy copyright infringement just dropped.
01:02:51
Tell him. Um, you know, sometimes we just miss the old days in like 2017. You miss the old
01:02:57
Soulja Boy. I miss the old tech days of like DxO Mark and screen to body ratios. And you
01:03:03
know, sometimes you get something that reminds me of those days, which is Soulja Boy ripping off a fake gaming
01:03:09
console and selling it for way too much money on his website. He did it again. He did it again. Oh, nice.
01:03:14
And I just have to say, holy crap. My favorite part about this is it's available at soldierboy.net,
01:03:20
which is the greatest domain name that's ever existed. But essentially, this is uh it's called
01:03:26
the Soldier Boy Flip for $436. Has a 5.5 in 1080p AMOLED screen. Snapdragon 865, 8 gigs of RAM, Android 13 for a premium retro gaming
01:03:37
experience, active cooling, Wi-Fi 6, a 5,000 mAh battery, which also something called the Retroid Pocket Flip 2 does for $230 because it's double the price.
01:03:48
It is the exact same thing, including all of the product photos on souljaboy.net are the exact same thing.
01:03:55
Souljaboy.net is a work of art. I just want you just for audio listeners, I just want to tell you one by one as I
01:04:00
scroll down. on soldierboy.net what you encounter. The first thing you see is him with a screenshot flexing a watch on
01:04:08
a live stream. Then you scroll down and there's a tour and shop button. You scroll down again, there's a device, the flip. You scroll down one more time and there's smart glasses.
01:04:19
Oh boy. And you scroll down one more time and there is just a Soulja Boy tell music video embedded for music. What? What?
01:04:26
Why would you buy Soulja Boy smart glasses? Wait, there's he has a forum forum post
01:04:31
where forum comments. Oh no. But I love this website so much. You can't click on 404s. It says there's
01:04:39
nothing here. There is one picture that is not directly ripped from the Retroid website
01:04:45
and that is a box that says Soldier game www.soldierboy.net as a sticker on a box. But if you look to the side, you can see the front of the box is the Retroid logo. So, it's
01:04:57
literally being shipped in the same box with just a sticker on the side. Soldier
01:05:03
game. How does this happen? Like, so I sometimes I see this stuff and I'll see what looks like an obviously not very
01:05:09
tech-savvy celebrity who like actually they got duped where like someone came to them and they were like, I have an idea. We can sell these this gadget with your name on it and your fans will love
01:05:20
it. And then it's actually the celebrity that got duped. And this happened arguably with like um some other people
01:05:27
with like crypto stuff and now with this Soulja Boy thing. Like I don't I don't understand how this this guy
01:05:33
who's online and knows this this time. I can't answer that for you because I I agree. This kind of feels
01:05:39
like a drop shipper paying a celebrity to help them drop ship. It's really hard to do this when you've
01:05:44
done this already and got in trouble for it and it didn't you lose the benefit of the doubt. It's really so bad to sell a white label
01:05:51
product. But this isn't even this is like not even AliExpress drop shipped white label. This is like US company
01:05:57
with a patent. He's buying putting a sticker on it. And that company has said we have the patents for this. No one got mad at Aston Martin when they did it. I don't know that reference.
01:06:07
Look, Google Aston Martin sign cyg. I'm sure people got mad. It's literally a It's literally a It's a rule. It's a Toyota IQ that they just
01:06:18
put an Aston Martin badge on and sold it as an Aston Martin. Did they buy it from Toyota? Uh, no. You could get a a Toyota IQ at
01:06:25
the same time. They just It was when the EU changed their fuel economy laws so that the you had to have an average MPG
01:06:30
across your whole line. Is that when Volkswagen got in trouble cuz they were lying? No, this is separate. This is like they
01:06:37
needed to sell a really efficient car and all of Aston Martin's cars at the time were like these big V10 cars and
01:06:43
anyway so yeah they just but but no one was like oh they're scamming people you know what I mean so why come after
01:06:48
Soulja tell me tell me if you buy the Retroid Pocket Flip 2 from Retroid it's $29 so it's literally half the price but maybe you want the Soldier brand.
01:07:00
No but the Soldier brand is just a sticker on a sticker on the box. It's not even on the device.
01:07:05
Nothing on the device says Soldier brand on it. It's literally It comes in the box that he bought it from Retroid and
01:07:12
then he put a sticker on the side. I think I think we live in a world where everything is just a white labelled something. So yeah, I'm I'm whatever.
01:07:19
I'm even white label. I told my cousin to buy a pair of Tozo earbuds this morning. I don't know what that is. You must
01:07:26
We're too The fact that the company who makes it is angry should probably Oh yeah. Yeah. They're mad. They said that he does not have permission to rebrand our sell them. Yes, Retroid has
01:07:39
responded about this. So, this is not an official collaboration. Oh, yeah. I just assume that he he he bought a bunch from
01:07:45
Okay. I was wondering where all that defending was. No, Retro said he does not have permission to do this.
01:07:50
That's That's cool. All right. I'm pretty sure the last game he sold had to get taken down as well for the
01:07:56
same thing. You know, you can just like legally do this, right? Damn. All right. Leave this all in, Adam. I need to
01:08:03
Wow. Okay, cool. That's enough of that. But it was way too funny and reminded me of the last time he did this.
01:08:09
Soldier Boy, tell him, you know, uh what I'm never wrong about, but I Please open this with a uh correction correction from last year.
01:08:20
It kind of is a correction from many years ago, though. Many years ago, I gave you guys a trivia question, and I'm
01:08:27
bringing it back. It's the same exact question because at that time, I got the answer wrong. Oh,
01:08:33
and I think I corrected it, but I just want to see if you guys remember. So, what was Teenage Engineering's first
01:08:39
product? Oh, the exact name or just like what was it? What was it? Because last time I said this, I gave
01:08:45
the wrong answer. Someone from Teenage Engineering actually reached out, told me what it was. I then told you guys the
01:08:51
following week. I sort of I remember I want you guys to tell me. I remember that happening. I don't remember what it was. Yeah, same. But it was one of those like
01:08:59
you wouldn't know this unless you followed it back then type of lore. Yeah, but those people who followed.
01:09:05
But obviously if you work for the company, you're well aware of that. I will say that the proof that this person gave me was a Tumblr page. So
01:09:11
that's how long ago it was. I think he was also like super chill about it. Oh yeah, they were super nice. He was just like, "Hey, just a heads up. That
01:09:17
wasn't our first product." Interesting. Funny. Well, once again, we will either know
01:09:23
the answer or we will relearn something. So stay tuned for that at the end. We'll be right back.
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That's shopify.com/wwayform. Shopify.com/wwayform. All right, welcome back. We are changing things up a little bit for video listener or video watchers. You may have
01:11:51
noticed Andrew is now in the producers chair and Ellis and Adam are at the table. And also David sitting next to
01:11:58
Marquez because hi. I have a little trivia game for you all. Um, the closer we get to
01:12:04
Thanksgiving, the less news stories we get. So, I decided to create somewhat of a game. Close my laptop.
01:12:10
Oh, can I close my laptop? Yep. No laptops are No laptops. Oh, snap. Yeah, buddy.
01:12:15
So, what I did was I stole a category from Jeopardy. So, if you're a Jeopardy watcher, you may recognize this. It's
01:12:21
called before and after. Chef, do you know how that works? Yes. You do? Okay. I do not. So, you can tell me if I'm
01:12:28
wrong on this, but I believe I have it already done. Um, if you are unaware of how this works, this category is a word
01:12:34
puzzle where each question contains two clues that are connected by a shared word.
01:12:39
Oh, man. Um, I pulled a couple examples from Jeopardy. I didn't do tech examples here because it took me a really long time to
01:12:46
think of these. So, I'm going to tell you two Jeopardy examples as an idea of how this works.
01:12:52
So, old cat and mouse team who throws chairs at each other during a daytime talk show. The answer would be Tom and
01:12:58
Jerry Springer. Say that again, David. Kelly. No. So, so ready? You're going to get
01:13:05
two clues. And the answer for it is two words connected by a shared word. And the way
01:13:11
you tell me that answer is not by saying the shared word twice. So, I'll give you another example. Paul
01:13:16
McCartney's Bond theme plays as Bruce Willis fights off bad guys at Knock Die Hard. Correct.
01:13:22
Great job. You guys are cooks. Pop culture references. And I don't know anything about pop. No, no, no. It's not this. I made all the questions tech. Those were just the
01:13:33
examples. Okay, great. Okay, cool. Cool. So, um, like I said, teams. Yeah, it's you and me. It's Marquez and David versus Ellis and I have Adam. I'm going to one I'm not as creative as
01:13:45
Jeopardy. So they make the the sentences and phrases very minor just like blank and blank and you create the word. Um and I have two clarifying rules that I'm sure will be asked. Uh
01:13:56
nothing. One of them is uh both of these kind of are rules because of how annoying tech companies are naming things. We all know that. Um my first is as long
01:14:08
as the pronunciation is the same I'm count it can be the linked word. Example lift and lift. So like lift the company
01:14:15
with a Y and lift. I will count those as the same connected word. Okay. My other one is a lot of companies like
01:14:22
to put two words together as one. I will allow those individual words inside of a singular name to be the
01:14:29
word. So if I use the example a web and native whiteboard app and what Jeff Bezos is the chairman of at Amazon, the answer would be Google Jam Board of Directors.
01:14:40
Holy smokes. It's just so Don't worry like this. Alice, how's your back? Wow. Cuz you're going to be carrying us, my guy. I really hope I did a good job because I
01:14:52
I feel like there's a lot of There's a lot of potential here. Um I'm so bad at this in actual Jeopardy. It's
01:14:58
like Okay. Um the couple last couple rules I'm going to say 60 seconds to give me a
01:15:03
final answer. Okay. So, like writing it down? No, you guys are going to say So, the way I want it is I want you to discuss
01:15:09
with each other since you're on a team. Oh, I'm going to do turns though where so what do you
01:15:15
each each question they can't hear us right now to make it fair each question is worth
01:15:21
two points. I'm going to go in turn. If you don't get it, it can get passed to the next team, but they'll only get one
01:15:27
point if they get it right cuz they got to hear all of your deliberation. I see. So, I want you to discuss it during
01:15:33
these 60 seconds because this is still a podcast and it has to be interesting. How do we discuss it without the other
01:15:38
team hearing? No, you can hear, but they when they steal it, they'll only get half credit for the point. Exactly.
01:15:43
So, that's my way of trying to comment cuz I don't want you guys to be like, don't let them. I want it to be a podcast still.
01:15:49
Okay. So, I have an even amount of questions and I have a tiebreaker question just in case.
01:15:55
Okay. What's our team name? I was going to go with Marquid, but I'm in. Hey, roll. Can we do team meat? Team meat because it's just team backwards. So,
01:16:08
team meets. Yeah. And it also stands for Molina Ellis Adam team team the Molina Ellis Adam team. There it is. Team people meet.com. Yeah. Team Te team farmers meet farmers only.
01:16:21
All right. I have one more clarification because some of these were so hard to do. Mhm. Every question has at least one tech
01:16:28
thing. There's a couple pop culture references in there. They're all fairly easy and I tried to make them
01:16:33
techreated. Okay. Sabrina Carpenter. Spongebob. Okay. Okay. Who would like to go first?
01:16:40
I'll let you two decide. Theoretically, it doesn't matter who goes first points-wise because even questions, correct? I feel like they can go first, right?
01:16:47
Yeah. Okay. We'll let host go first. Yeah. We'll go we'll go clockwise. Again, I'm just going to re reiterate
01:16:53
the rules. Don't say the linked word twice. Say it as one phrase. Right. And then you have 60 seconds. I'll I'll
01:17:00
tell you when you're almost done. I'm ready. Okay. So, question number one. H an announced but never released home
01:17:05
device and a Christmas movie from 1990 whose plot would never work in today's technology. Bixby Home Alone.
01:17:11
Yeah, Bixby Home Alone. But it's Galaxy Home, right? Is it name of the Galaxy Home Alone? Samsung Galaxy Home is the name of the
01:17:17
product, right? Yeah. Okay. And it's Home Alone. Wait, what was the movie again? Say it again. A Christmas movie from 1990 whose plot
01:17:23
would never work with today's technology. Home Alone. So, I think it's so Samsung Galaxy Home Alone.
01:17:29
Yeah. All right. Samsung Galaxy Home Alone. Final answer. Yeah. Yeah. Let's go. Not Home Alone 2. Was that from 199 New York? The Lost in New York.
01:17:40
Can I get that? That was good. That was good. I'm glad I knew the movie cuz I usually don't know the movie. Yeah. Damn.
01:17:45
I tried to make the pop culture references not too crazy, but some of them it's hard to link a lot of names
01:17:50
when every product device just ends in a number and it's really hard to link a number into another tech product.
01:17:56
You know what weirdly gave it away for me? What? I it is burned into my brain that
01:18:02
Home Alone is came out in 1990 because of how many bar trivia questions are. This8s movie uh did not actually come out in the8s. Oh
01:18:12
yeah. This quintessential '8s movie. Best Christmas movie. Else and I have slated bar trivia before by the way. It is true.
01:18:17
Okay. A Siribased smart speaker and the port mento of iPad and broadcast. Homepod. What is a portmanto? Oh, I get it. HomePod mini. Wait, port
01:18:30
mento of what? Of broadcast and iPod. iPod. A Siribased smart speaker and the port
01:18:38
mento of iPod and broadcast home. Wait, uh this the Siri smart speaker. So it' be like home podcast. Home pod procast. Home pod
01:18:49
pro. Homeod. You just got to give me a final answer on that. I can't clarify. It's definitely one of those. It's HomePod. Apple HomePod. Yeah.
01:18:59
Wait, we read that, too. Very nice. Yeah, good job. I still I blanked out. I don't know what
01:19:04
we just answered. Port manto. Yeah, that's portmanto. Like a port wine. I don't know what a port manto is. So that's when you smash. I put that in. I know Ellis has used that word in trivia before.
01:19:16
Yes, that's true. All right. Ready? Marquez and David. My toe is black from hiking so much.
01:19:23
You should get that checked out. I could show it to you. How is that not a soundboard? You should get that checked out.
01:19:29
Okay. All right. Ready? Yeah. Microsoft's cloud service and the documentary that got Americans
01:19:34
interested in the most technologically advanced motor racing. Okay. The doc the the documentary the F1
01:19:42
documentary is called Drive to Survive and it's Azure. Azure Drive. What is it? Is it Azure
01:19:48
Drive? Can you say the first one again? Microsoft's cloud service. Cloud. Microsoft Azure.
01:19:54
I got it. Oh, one drive to drive to survive. I got to stop writing this down. Microsoft One Drive to Survive.
01:20:01
Microsoft One Drive us. Yes. Microsoft One Drive to Survive. Damn it. Yeah. Maybe you don't need 60 seconds, but we'll keep going. We need 60 seconds.
01:20:11
One of the worst Microsoft operating systems and a website known for selling custom business cards and other
01:20:16
marketing materials. Oh, what? I have it's not one of the Vista Print Windows Vista Print. Yeah,
01:20:27
correct. Sorry. I have a button. We have used Vista Print in the past. Yeah, I regret to inform you. Wait, did you say it was bad? Vista Print. No, I said No, it's one of the worst Microsoft.
01:20:38
Gotcha. Gotcha. Vista Print is kind of dope. All right, cuz in my head I was like Windows 8. Yeah, that's
01:20:44
that's why I said one of I didn't want I'm being okay. These seem easy. I hope they get harder. I was worried these
01:20:50
would either all be way too easy or way too hard. All right, Marquez and David. Ready? Mhm. Mark Haven.
01:20:56
Mark Haven. Team name team. The third bestselling non-bundled Wii game and the 2020 MKBHD phone of the
01:21:03
year. Oh, I know it. I know it. I know it. Start that countdown so I Mario Kart Mario Kart was probably the first best
01:21:15
non bundle Wii. You said Wii game. Come on, baby. Wait. Stop. Stop. Stop. Okay. So,
01:21:20
was it Wii Sports Resort? Wii Sports was was bundled. That was bundled. What about Super Smash Bros.
01:21:25
Super Smash Bros. Brawl? So, what was your what was your phone of the phone? I'm trying to think back to 2020.
01:21:31
I think it was the Galaxy S20 FE. I think if I go back far enough, S22 or S20? Let's go with Samsung Galaxy S20 FE.
01:21:43
Uh, third bestselling. 40 seconds left. No, no. At 40 seconds. Super Smash Bros. Brawl. Um, what else? Third bestselling Wii game that was not
01:21:54
bundled. S20. What was S? No idea. Oh, Wii Sports Resort or Give it to me. Wii music. Give it to me. I have no idea. I don't know. The third bestselling non-bundled Wii game.
01:22:07
It's Super Mario Galaxy S20 Ultra, baby. So close. What? He said it out loud. There's just no point. for Mario Galaxy S20 FE.
01:22:18
You said times up. Yeah, I know. But you said you got it wrong. S20 Ultra as opposed to FE.
01:22:25
I said S20 FE and Marcus said it out loud. I didn't think an FE would ever would
01:22:30
Ultra was a very bad I am. So, do you I just had to sit there and listen to them not remember. They
01:22:37
said the word Galaxy and Wii game like you can't give. You can't give me the points for that.
01:22:43
Incredible. And I'm glad it sold well. And I'll also say like that's a good way of of taking this is like you guys had
01:22:49
one that you were sure of. So how do you then link that into something else? Because you know I was like I should have thought about
01:22:56
Galaxy. I was really surprised you didn't when Marquez said Galaxy S20 FE and then I'm surprised.
01:23:02
The reason I picked 2020 is cuz Ultra's won so many times. Did you know that Super Mario Galaxy was a game?
01:23:07
Yeah, it's an amazing game. I knew David knew it. I thought this was a perfect David Marquez question. There
01:23:12
were definitely people in the comment section like me. Me. Is this how it feels when you guys beg me for points? Cuz I'm I'm
01:23:19
pretty hot right now. Yeah. This is why people are always like David takes this too seriously.
01:23:24
God, that was 60 seconds of excruciating. What's going to be that is possibly the
01:23:31
best Wii game. It is so good. I'm a little worried this next one's going to be hard, but it feels this to me that felt like an a Marquez David
01:23:38
question. This feels like an Adam Ellis question. Excuse you. All right, team. But they got 60 seconds. Teammate.
01:23:43
Team. Okay. Teamate. The acronym BIOS and a folder you should never delete. System 32. Is that the folder? The acronym like BIOS.
01:23:56
My brother. What? B I Bro, you send us acronyms all the time. That is stand. It's canon that I'm annoying. Okay.
01:24:06
Everyone loves Bio system. Is it like bin B O S Can I ask Gemini? No. No. B Oerating system 32. It's the It's
01:24:21
something something operating system 32, right? Or is it 42? Bit integer operating system 32. People
01:24:26
are yelling at us. Let me know when for final answer and I'll Is it 32 or 42? 42. I don't know. That's true.
01:24:32
I hate Windows so much. David just said it earlier in this episode. I feel like David didn't mention how much
01:24:43
5 seconds. Five seconds. I'll let you answer. I'll let you take it. Is the first word bin? Okay. Okay. Before we say before we say it, let's just cuz we can talk for a second.
01:24:56
How long you starting the timer again? If they get one syllable off, you can't. Oh, no. No. They have to get the very
01:25:02
specific. I think it's clearly operating system cuz it's system 32. Yeah. The question is what does the B and the I stand for? Isn't that when you boot
01:25:08
up? Isn't it like the BIOS is when you first boot up? So, is it something like boot up something operating system
01:25:14
or is it like boot? I'm sorry. We're going to get flamed so hard by Windows users. Every tutorial I've ever watched is like
01:25:20
collapsing inwards on itself. I mean, we all know what the BIOS is like when you boot into the BIOS. But like when have we ever had to know what
01:25:26
BIOS stands for? I don't what we wrote was binary integer operating system. I don't think that's
01:25:32
right. So I have to think a little more. Boot. I swear to God if you give it to 20 seconds. It's very it's it's literally could be nothing else.
01:25:44
System is short for binary bin bin. But I don't know if it's bin. Bios. All right. 5 seconds. Binary integer operating system 32.
01:25:57
All right. Damn. Thank god. Yeah. We're going to get flamed. Basic input output system 32. Basic input
01:26:04
output system. That's what BIOS stands for. Huh. Well, I don't think I knew that. I don't think I knew that.
01:26:09
I don't think I knew that either. Which makes me feel stupid. They don't teach you that in computer science. I'll tell you that. I didn't take computer science.
01:26:14
It's not in my hippie school. I've just broken a lot of phones. I booted into plenty of BIOSes. I've never seen basic infinite.
01:26:20
I did a lot of vector calculus and No, you guys should be winning cuz you stole one. No, we didn't. Or you didn't. Okay. No, then you're tied. We're tied. It's two two. Okay, I'm going to kind of give a hint
01:26:33
here, but not really, but only because I sort of messed the question up, but I still want to use it. Okay, the linked word. One of them uses the
01:26:40
plural, one of them uses the singular. I'll accept either way you say it. Okay. I I don't think that's too much of a hint. All right. Ready? Yeah. This is Marquez and David. Uhhuh. One of Google's many killed services and
01:26:53
the quote internet's phone book. The internet's phone book is wicked. Wait, no. Yeah, I thought the same thing. Internet's phone book. http. I got it.
01:27:04
Oh, DNS. DNS. But this is like something with a plural or a singular. What is the first part of that, Andrew? One of Google's many killed services. What does DNS stand for?
01:27:15
Domain name system. Domain name system. Google domains got killed. So, Google domain name system.
01:27:21
That would that would be it. Google domains got killed and domain. Google domain name system. Yes. Yes.
01:27:26
Final answer. Google Domains name system. Yes. Damn it. Fire. That was a good one.
01:27:32
Watch how we get that one. We got system fair. That was good. Okay. There's just so many cool there's so many Google services to choose from. Yeah, they did kill it. Now I have to
01:27:43
pay. Okay. You Squarespace. Did you know that the week that we changed mkbd.com, we were on Google domain, we were on Squarespace for forever and I was finally like, you know
01:27:56
what? Let's change Google Domains once and for all and then we switched and they were like, oh, this still exists and they killed
01:28:02
it. Yeah, they sold it. Terrible. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Adamella's I mean team me. Sorry.
01:28:08
Thank you. Okay. Team me finally. Google's magnetic technology and a social media app with a spooky logo.
01:28:15
What is pixel Snapchat? God, I was literally so easy. I can't believe Ellis got pixel snap
01:28:21
that quick. I mean, quick. Yeah, I had that, too. Spooky logo. We didn't even need the timer. Okay, this one. I think these next two are potentially a little harder.
01:28:32
Okay. An all-in-one productivity app and an app that destroys productivity. Allin-one productivity. Okay, so these are actual app names. So, an all-inone productivity app is
01:28:44
like all in one. Yeah, but it's probably multiple. An app that destroys productivity, which would be
01:28:50
social media. Tik Tok. Tik Tok. Tick tick. Oh, an allin-one. Oh, productivity app being tick tick. And tick tick tock. Destroying productivity being Tik Tok. I like that. Tick tick tock.
01:29:01
Tick tick tock. Tick tick tock. Yeah, let's go to tick tock. Hey, nice. That was good. This is a fun game. We got there. Yeah, I like this game. Okay. Tik Tok is not an all-in-one productivity app, by the way.
01:29:13
It's literally how it couple in. It's a couple in one. Yeah, I took it all. I'm sure that's how they market this
01:29:19
literally. You Google it, it says tick tick, your all-in-one productivity app. It is straight in there.
01:29:25
Define all. Team me. Team me. You never said Marit again. Sorry. I will try and remember. Okay. Ship name. The subject of the most organically
01:29:38
viewed MKBHD video. organically. And a product that appears twice on Marquez's desk. Yeah. Um, the most organically
01:29:49
Oh, is that it? Twice on my desk. Two speakers. No, wait. What's the most organically viewed? I was just looking at this yesterday for a a deck.
01:30:00
No, I have no idea. Okay. But is that kind of not vision pro? The way you phrase it. Yes.
01:30:05
Cuz you're you by organically you mean retro. There's a retro tech. That's number one. Yeah. And there's another one.
01:30:13
Actually, no, this is higher than that. It's at 30 seconds, by the way. Phrase the first part. Two of I'll phrase it again for you if it
01:30:19
comes. It has to be pro. Do you want me to phrase the question again? The subject of the most organically
01:30:25
viewed MKBHD video and a product that appears on Marquez's desk twice. You have 15 seconds. Apple Vision Pro
01:30:31
Display XDR. My god, that was nice. Alice, we got there. I just want you to know I was almost tricked by that one. That's That was hard.
01:30:42
Okay. Okay. Go to the top. I have Yeah, I think this is tiebreaker. Two more for each of you and then a tiebreaker. Okay, let's go, baby.
01:30:48
Mark David. Yo, thank you. Thank you. An app to hire a same day handyman and a barely reviewable AI assistant to Rabbit. Oh, it's Task Rabbit. You're literally It's just Task Rabbit.
01:31:00
Task Rabbit. Rabbit R1. Task Rabbit R1. Yes, I'm trying. That was pretty good. What are you talking about? No, that was good. I went to Handy. Handy's an
01:31:12
I'm a little worried this next question more favors Marquez. And last stop, but now it's their turn. So, let's um I'm just making sure I keep score. Okay.
01:31:22
Okay. Ready? Ready. The third version of a popular handheld gaming console and a vibrant smartphone
01:31:29
user interface. A vibrant smartphone user interface. So, Samsung 1 UI and third handheld console. I don't know a single the third version of a popular handheld gaming console and a vibrant smartphone
01:31:44
user interface. Okay. Steam Deck. Is he talking about 3DS? DS, but the 3DS is the fourth iteration of that console. So, maybe it can't be though. My god.
01:31:55
The third is the DSi. Is there any like Android? It is iOS. You guys can't look at me for like hands on it. The third version of a popular handheld
01:32:07
gaming console and a vibrant smartphone user interface. Is there one that like starts with
01:32:13
Switch? Like is there 15 seconds left? We about to dub. I kind of want to go with DSIOS, but I'm I feel like that's wrong. I don't know cuz thriving is what's
01:32:24
killing me. I don't know what vibrant smartphone does that mean. How much time they got left? There's one UI. There's Harmony. The answer is Game Boy Color OS.
01:32:38
What is Color OS? It's the OPPO operating system. Oppo skin. Oh yeah, I was just watching a video about colorless this morning. I'm so mad I didn't get that. That's so good. Wow.
01:32:49
Combo breaker. That's huge for the program. Game Boy Color was the third version. Yeah, cuz Game Boy Game Boy Pocket.
01:32:56
No, Pocket was not Game Boy Advance. No, no, it was No, no, you're right. Game Boy, Game Boy Pocket. If you wanted to try and be a little specific, there
01:33:03
was a Japanon Game Boy Light that came out the same year as the Game Boy Color. I was not trying to be that specific.
01:33:09
The Game Boy Color is the third iteration of the Game Boy. Okay, fine. Hell yeah, baby. Let's go. My
01:33:17
I can't even buy an Apple. I I thought both of those were it was pretty easy to get color. Yeah, I've never And then you get to We talk about color OS pretty often on the podcast.
01:33:28
It's It at times has been part of Realme and uh OnePlus like Touch Wiz Oxygen Color OS. When you said vibrant, I was thinking like one of the super popular ones.
01:33:40
I thought vibrant was a a pretty good way to just me. It's another way of saying color pretty much. Um, okay. I thought whatever. All right. Mark David.
01:33:51
Okay. Don't worry, Ellis. This one feels up your alley and it's for them, so we'll see. Okay.
01:33:56
The official name for the worst product Marquez has ever reviewed and an American wireless prepaid service
01:34:03
provider. Humane AI PIN. Prepaid is is a is US wireless and any prepaid. Wait, say the second. Say the whole thing again. the official name for the worst product Marquez has ever reviewed
01:34:19
and an American wireless prepaid service provider. Um, an American was the worst product the Humane AI pen or was that the Fisker? Fisker was the worst car. The Humane AI pin was the worst product dot dot dot
01:34:32
for now. Okay. But I feel like it's still the worst product. Prepaid is sing there's a singular.
01:34:37
There's Boost Mobile. Mhm. There's um So do any of them start with pin? Oh, hold on. I will. Okay, I'm going to redo this and give you 30 seconds since you got to try because
01:34:50
realized I messed up a part of the question. The answer is still 60. I'll give you 45 cuz you've forgotten to talk about half of it. Okay, ready? Okay. The official name for the dumbest
01:35:01
product Marquez has ever reviewed and an American wireless prepaid service provider. Dyson headphones. The Dyson
01:35:08
I don't remember. Wait, what was the name of the Dyson headphones? The I'll give you the full 60 seconds since
01:35:14
it was that different and both of you seem to change. What was the name of the Dyson headphones? I'm trying to think now. Okay, so this is the Dyson.
01:35:20
Think of the wireless providers. I guess there's singular. Oh, something boost. It was definitely
01:35:25
something boost. Was it something boost? Dyson. Dynaboost or something. Why is D attack in my head? That's not
01:35:31
it. Yeah. Dyson headphones had a name and Dyson headphones were called Was it Boost something? V V. They're vacuums. Voost. Oh, I don't know that. Wait. Okay.
01:35:44
Prepaid services are 20 seconds left. Boost Mobile. And what else? Mint. Mint. US Singular and US Mobile.
01:35:50
It's not US. That's not Boost. Okay. So, Dyson. Dyson. 10 seconds. Boost. Air Boost. Dyson something. Boost Mobile.
01:36:01
Need an answer. I'm just We're just going to say Dyson Boost Mobile. Yeah. All right. Starting your timer, dude. Air boost. Super Dyson.
01:36:13
Super Vuke. It's funny because I don't know if that's a hint or not. Don't say anything. I'm so proud of this one coming together because it was not easy to put together. But at the same time,
01:36:24
headphones, what were they called? This isn't the one with the face mask. This is the second one you said.
01:36:30
I'm not answering that question, but it is the one with the face. Oh, it is the one with the face. Okay. If you got the linked word, you would
01:36:35
almost automatically know the other one. It's not Metro Boost Visible Mint. What are the other There's another cheap one.
01:36:45
I don't know the It's definitely not boost cuz we would have I'm really hoping there's a a big sigh
01:36:51
after blade 15 seconds. What is this one? Mint. Mint visible boost. The Dyson invisible. Dyson in I don't know. 5 seconds.
01:37:04
I'm I'm stumped. You got me. I'm going Dyson invisible. Damn it. It is the Dyson on track phone wireless. A track phone.
01:37:14
On track on track is the name of the product. O T R A C and track phone is T R A C F O
01:37:23
N. That's a good one. I've never heard of that wireless service though. I did know about the wireless provider. No, Track Phone is the wireless
01:37:30
provider. On track is the head. I forgot that it was called the on track. on track.
01:37:36
On track is called the on. We are getting uh toast. I think we should look at Andrew's FanDuel account just to make sure off
01:37:44
this page. All right. This is for Adam and Ellis. Okay. Mhm. And this is this is a Marquez and David question. I feel like
01:37:54
it's fine. I've got right. That's what they're going to get right. a 2013 self-healing smartphone and a 2018 smartphone that sounds like it needs healing.
01:38:05
Okay. The LG Glex was the first one in 2013. He's talking about the Flex Pie. The LG
01:38:12
G Royal Flex Pie. The L LG Flex Pie. I'm going to ask for the final answer, but remember how this has to work. How does it have to work? How the phrase has to work. So they have
01:38:26
it has to be like a linked word. A linked word. You said you you said it's the LG Glex. Was that what it was called?
01:38:33
G Flex Pi and then the Royal Flex Pi. Royal Flex Pie. I think it was the LG Flex straight up from 2013. I don't think it was Glex or was it Glex? Ah, damn. I
01:38:47
can't remember. I'm going to let you see the video with Marquez with a razor just say something. I wasn't alive in 2013.
01:38:55
Adam, you should give an answer in 10 seconds. The LG LG Royal Flex Pie. Yeah, the LG Royal. No, not that. You say something. I don't understand the rules. But you just
01:39:06
The LG Flex Pie. So close. Damn it. Adam Adam said it like three times. You did say it. The LG Glex Pie.
01:39:18
Damn it. Yeah. Yeah. You just didn't have to say royal is what I was trying to like. And you had
01:39:23
to say G. Yeah, you had to say G, which didn't do because it was the G Flex. It was the G Flex, which LG
01:39:29
Gam had. And then you said the G Flex Royale Pi. Super Mario Samsung Galaxy FE20.
01:39:36
You said Ultra. You said Ultra. You said, you didn't say, but Samsung is in between Super Mario and
01:39:41
I didn't say it's just the Galaxy S20 FE. So, you just roll back the tape. The LA It didn't work for you the last time we rolled back the tape. Alice, you give us the points. Yep.
01:39:53
Okay, we got that's a steel point. Yeah, that's a steel point. Okay, that's it. We lost. There's two more questions and I'm doing
01:39:58
the tiebreaker either way, but damn it, Mark Haven. Thank you. Yes. The 2016 version of a bezelless smartphone and a Twitch competitor that
01:40:09
didn't last very long. Oh, I got this. What was the Twitch competitor? It was Wait, no, I can do the the phone though. Okay, I'll do the
01:40:14
the phone. 2016 upstairs. Oh, the first one. No, no, it's the one with the the fat chin. It's the Microsoft. Um, okay. It's either the
01:40:25
um uh Microsoft uh the Sharp Aquos. What was the second thing? It was the a Twitch competitor that didn't last very long. The one after the the Xiaomi Mi Mix
01:40:36
Mixer. Mixer. Xiaomi Mi Mixer. Xiaomi Mi Mixer. Xiaomi Mi Mixer. Yes. Yes. I didn't know either of those things. I know phones. That's the one thing I
01:40:49
know. That was crazy. Okay. Okay. I think you guys have this one, but this one's insane.
01:40:56
Perfect. I'm pretty proud of this one. Let's hear it. And I hope I I hope I did it right. Okay.
01:41:01
Yeah, these are good. These are good. Andrew, ready? Yeah. The last version of a poorly named wireless headphone before the design
01:41:08
change and a location-based social network that helps discover new places. Before the design change. It's the Oh, you're going to make me say the whole headphone name.
01:41:20
It's a poorly named wireless headphone. It's four square and it's the Samsung. It's the Samsung thing with a million letters that no one can ever remember.
01:41:26
It's not the Sony one. This is lit. Yeah. No, it's the Sorry. Sony one. Sony WH100XM3s.
01:41:31
No, it's the four and then four square is the connecting word. I don't Sony WF100XM
01:41:38
four square. Is that your final answer? Sony WF1000XM WH. I dude I don't know what I don't know there are better this is crazy. You've got
01:41:51
25 seconds. Okay. Wait, wait, wait. Let me Everyone give Adam the floor. It's four square. It's four square and
01:41:56
WH whatever. Sony WH100XM4 square. No way. Way to get there, guys. Way to get there. Years of reviewing headphones for this
01:42:08
moment. That was almost really painful. That was That was the tiebreaker. No, I have a tiebreaker even though Mark David won this round. We did. If they get it wrong and we steal,
01:42:20
technically we're then tied. Yeah, you did. And then I don't have a tiebreaker for the tie. Ask Chat GPT for one.
01:42:26
Okay, funny story. I did ask Chat GPT to start this and it was horrible. It gave
01:42:33
me all these things and I went, "That's not how this game works. Can you make them better?" And it had like a total
01:42:40
meltdown. It said, "You're right. I should be doing it more like this." And then it did it. And then without even me
01:42:46
prompting, it said, "Wait, that's not right either." And then did another section, then said, "This still isn't right. I need to be more." And did like
01:42:52
six sections of it correcting itself and still none of them were any good. Infinite loop sometime.
01:42:58
It basically it it would just kept doing two totally different things and then the answer was two things next to each
01:43:04
other. That's hilarious. It was pretty bad, but it was how I I tried. Um sick. So, do you want to do the tiebreaker? Yeah, sure. This is how we're going to do the tiebreaker for just fake points.
01:43:15
Okay. Okay. I'm gonna say it out loud. The first team to say it gets five points.
01:43:20
No, I have a preposition for another way to do it. Okay. Both teams have a whiteboard and a pen in front of them.
01:43:26
No, because I need um the annunciation needs to be correct. Okay. Okay. Okay. Never mind. Say it out loud. So, the first the first team to say it out loud gets the point. Oh,
01:43:37
correctly. I need it to be perfect. Okay. So, I apologize in advance to everyone listening to us all talk over
01:43:44
each other for about 60 seconds. Okay. Here's what I'll do. You guys talk to each other, but whoever says final
01:43:50
answer first, then they'll say it after that, and I will pick that person. All right. Ready? Let's do it. This is
01:43:55
We only get one final answer. Extremely specific, so please listen carefully. More specific than WXM 1000.
01:44:02
WH is wireless headphones. All right. Ready? All right. The rating that shows a device is completely dust tight and protected from
01:44:13
submersion up to 1 m for 30 minutes. And the current most popular children's meme. 1 meter for 30 minutes. What is IP67? Final answer. What is protection 67?
01:44:24
You didn't say final answer. You didn't say final answer. Damn it. What is IP67?
01:44:29
No, but Anda. No. The correct answer. Final answer. What is ingress protection 67?
01:44:37
The correct answer is IP 67. Oh my god, this Okay, we are never going to get that, right? Well, the benefit to us is that
01:44:54
so perfectly. I was just looking up IP ratings and then saw 67 dash each other. I was like, I have to do this.
01:44:59
I hope that us doing this killed that meme. Dead for a while. Always has been. Another dead meme. All right. Wow. Well, I'm going to go.
01:45:10
That has not been it because we still have to do trivia. Yeah, we back. We have to go back to regular trivia.
01:45:16
That was fun, right? That was fun. Really fun time. I like that a lot. I still think that the comments will be on our side with many of those questions. This was rigged again. But it's fine. It's fine.
01:45:27
We'll check the comments. Um, okay. So mad I got you flex. Well, speaking of trivia,
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pause and reorganize, and we we'll be back for the regular trivia at the end of the episode. Starting
01:45:37
Whoa. Okay, we're back. Time to do the actual trivia for this episode. Let's get into it. Fan edition. Fan edition. Trivia FE. God
01:45:49
damn it. All right, guys. LTPO is an Apple thing. I did not know it was an Apple thing. If I had asked that as a
01:45:55
trivia question, would you have gotten that right? Nope. I don't know. Damn. Maybe. All right. Cuz I Well, Samsung's
01:46:02
version of LTPO is called what? And it's like a silly thing. It's a very silly word. It's a word, huh?
01:46:13
It's a word. Do you want another hint? A word. It's a word. Well, it's an acronym, but it's a word.
01:46:19
Like like it it reads out pretty obviously as a word. And uh uh I can't think of a hint that's not like super obvious, you know, like
01:46:34
I have no idea. There's there's one pancake themed hint I can kind of think of. All right.
01:46:40
Yeah. I don't know. I think we're all wrong. Yeah. I I wrote Yeah. Wait, sorry. I I'm sorry, Marquez. What?
01:46:48
What did you write? I wrote dynamic refresh rate. No. Yeah, I wrote Bix BPO. And what does the PO stand for?
01:46:59
No, I'm just kidding. That's uh I didn't write anything. The correct answer is hop. It is called
01:47:04
a hop screen. And hop stands for hybrid oxide and polyrystalline silicon. Wow. Poly crystalline silicon is one word. Uh no, but they just called it hop because it's it's easier. I think in um
01:47:17
I wish all abbreviations work like that. You can just take out all the letters you don't want. They kind of do that in like all of the
01:47:24
like is also a thing too. Like you could be like hops like in beer. Yeah, like in beer.
01:47:29
Any I don't know if Samsung would do that. I mean actually they would. Yeah, I think so. Koreans like
01:47:34
I don't think I've ever heard that before. The Koreans like beer. All right. All right. Learn something new. Say just like we
01:47:40
say we would. I already forgot. Quick update on the score. Marquez with 10. Andrew with 10. M David with six. Can we go back to Mark David, please? Mark David,
01:47:52
can we split the difference? Next question. The media center remote that Marquez
01:47:58
made a video on. Wait, 16 years ago, his first video and the company that I am obsessed with.
01:48:05
Go. And and I and you needed to get every letter perfect. Marquez knows this and we don't.
01:48:15
Wait, this is not what we put them together. Yep. It's the same game. This is not what you asked before,
01:48:21
though. Nope, it is not. The the media center remote. The media center remote and the company
01:48:26
I'm obsessed with. Like, come on, man. Yeah. What is it? Huh? Huh? Huh? Come on, man. What was the question before? I don't
01:48:38
remember Marquez's. I know that uh I wrote Does this count enough? HP Pavilion Teenage Engineering. I No. Come on. But I don't
01:48:49
No, I don't know how to I don't know how I'm not I'm not literally Marquette. We're not salty. You're salty.
01:48:56
I don't know how to combine these. So I I don't know if this is right. But I wrote HP Pavilion DV7T Nagege
01:49:02
Engineering. There it is. No, not right though, cuz he wrote TNT. No. No. No. Wrong then. Sorry.
01:49:09
No one gets a point. Look at that. Okay. Anyway, to the real question. Oh, that was fake. Yeah. Well, I would have given you the
01:49:15
point if you like kind of got whatever. Okay. Uh, what was Teenage Engineering's first
01:49:21
product they ever made? Your mom. Oh, got it. Playing cars in the 1800s. Uh, it was actually a rice cooker. Yeah.
01:49:36
Sony. Uh um here we go. I feel I knew this at one point. Yeah, because it was a previous question. Slack a while ago, probably.
01:49:47
Oh, yeah. I definitely put in Slack. Yeah. All right, flip them and read. What do you got? Are we about to get unmatched lead again
01:49:53
by Teenage Engineering? That would be really funny. Yeah, we're all probably wrong. I wrote a desk.
01:49:59
Nope. I wrote a pencil. No, that'd be sick to write. I'm probably I hope I'm closest. A radio receiver. Wrong. But you are closest cuz one of the products they debated doing was a
01:50:11
clock radio, but instead they actually did a lamp. Oh yeah, the lamp. The lamp. A lamp. Yeah, I was not. I love lamp, dude.
01:50:23
All right. Hopefully now we for sure won't forget that Teen Engineering started with a lamp. And
01:50:29
next week's question. All right. We should just keep having this be a question at the end until we all get it right. Um anyway, well, like we said, we might not have gotten it right, but we
01:50:41
did learn something. So, that's for sure useful, right? Thanks for watching this episode. Thanks for listening and for uh
01:50:47
playing along, of course, in our trivia segment. We have a lot of fun with those. See you soon in the next episode
01:50:53
in November. Peace. Oh, it's November now. Yeah, it's November now. I know. As Okay.
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