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thank you [Music] all right what's going on people of the
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internet welcome back to the waveform podcast we're your hosts I'm Marquez I'm Andrew and I'm David and this week we've
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got first uh some Apple news it's it's pretty short but we might end up having
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a lot to say about it so there's some apple stuff at the beginning but also uh some potential VR stuff we want to talk
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about with a rumor then we've got our musings on reviews and review Systems
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for things that we review things but there's more to it and that this is the conversation we were having before that we're just brought into the podcast room
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because it was kind of existential and interesting uh anyway let's start with the Apple stuff because
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there's there's two main new announcements they kind of went into press release mode Apple's done this
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thing before where they had some products that were ready to be refreshed but they weren't really enough to be
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their own event so they just go one day at a time with new press releases of new
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products at the time of recording it's Wednesday so we had yesterday MacBook Pros and new M2 chips and today homepod
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which should we talk about first I think some people think it's a press release because it was supposed to come out in
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November that would be like that would follow the MacBook Pro time General timeline right so they did do this like
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YouTube 18 minute video like pseudo event type thing for the MacBooks anyway
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the the homepod was just a straight press release just a piece it's like a one cheater which is kind of all it needed um but we do have uh some
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interesting things here so I'll just go over the laptops first so 16 inch and 14 inch MacBook Pros are now updated with
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the new M2 generation ships so before they had M1 Pro and M1 Max now they have
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M2 Pro and M2 Max which are sort of incremental improvements bumps over the
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previous generations these laptops which I'm still this is my 16 inch M1 Max MacBook Pro
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[Music] exactly the same as a new one probably but
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you probably can't read that but it says Apple M1 Max in about this Mac I can tell that that HDMI port is 2.1 just so
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you know like the internet oh this is the old one is 2.0 sure yeah sure either way
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um those old machines old in air quotes they're one year old are still amazing so like my take on these is this isn't
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for people who have the M1 Pros already this is for people of older machines to be upgrading and now have a better
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option as you mentioned HDMI 2.1 is also new which was kind of a head scratching
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emission from the M1 Pro and M1 Max cut these names I know uh the MacBook Pros
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before but we get that we also get Wi-Fi 6E yes and a little bit of a performance boost up to 96 gigs of shared video
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memory and RAM for a lot of money for the highest and M2 Max chip were very
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expensive do we know what the max staff same prices I think no way for 96 gigs
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oh for the max yeah because now it's going to be but the starting prices are the same oh yeah yeah 96 is what I have
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on my Mac Pro at my desk which is oh back then it will it was the smaller end
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of RAM for the Mac Pro which is kind of funny but so the laptop prior it added 400 to go from 32 to 64 gigs of RAM and
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now it adds 800 to go to from 32 to 96. so it's another 400. so if you are an
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absolute animal and you need 96 here's the thing is I edit videos on this laptop like I yeah I'm doing a lot of
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heavy work on this laptop and I will not be upgrading mine I mean I'm going to review it I'm gonna check it out but I
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don't feel compelled for the first time in a long time to upgrade to a new piece of kit for work yeah which is pretty
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sick actually I'll try it for you sure I'll take it after yeah I'll give it a good home uh they also get a new color
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matching
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these laptops are only in space gray and silver so it's not as you were mad about the power cable yeah and what they did
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with it which why explain the air well because it's like quote-unquote matching
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because the magsafe aspect and the braided cable match the computer chasses yeah but then the USBC port on the end
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is white which like on Space gray looks terrible I think it looks worse than if it was all just wait yeah on them it
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looks even worse on like the air which had like the midnight color so it'd be like a nice dark cable and then just
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like the white plastic on the end yeah which looked dumb I will say the white cables that everyone got with the
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um last year's models they get dirty really easily so they look kind of yellowed pretty easily because they're
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braided and they just get dirty and it would be nice to have a different colored cable however it is just a cable functionally I do not care you don't
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like that patina speaking of cables and functionalities does anyone know what the difference is
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between HDMI 2.0 and 2.1 yes you ask Adam this is a Tech podcast you
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should have used this for trivia because I do know I just wanted to explain it for the audience oh I was okay no it was
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a setup are you gonna explain it no you explain it not me no you explain it yeah okay I don't know what the difference is
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legitimately uh HDMI 2 got 18 gigabits per second of pass-through whereas 2.1 I
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believe is a quarter of that 40 way more 48 48 gigabits per second and pass through oh yeah it also as Ellis taught
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me a couple days ago has what is the audio term for this e-arc can you
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explain this isn't that just syncing uh no it's pretty cool so like
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um you know typically an HDMI cable is one of those cables that you plug it into an out Jack and you plug it into an
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in Jack and it's not necessarily like bi-directional in any way but let's say hypothetically you have a setup where
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you have a game console plugged in to a like stereo receiver and then you have
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that stereo receiver plugged into your TV but you have a smart TV yeah so when you're
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playing games you're sending audio from your game console to your stereo then from your stereo to your speakers right
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but when you're streaming the audio needs to go the other way the audio goes from your smart TV to your stereo to you
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and you're not going to go HDMI out of your TV into your stereo that doesn't make any sense so e-arc adds an audio
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return Channel going the opposite direction on the HDMI cable yeah yeah sometimes people have had to deal with
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this for a minute yeah yeah yeah 2.1 also adds support for variable refresh
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rate displays which is nice um I'm not actually completely sure if that means like because the the MacBook
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Pro is variable refresh rate it goes up to 120. I don't know if that means it'll just like mirror it if you have a VFR
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like separate monitor I'm not totally certain about that but it can also carry
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4K at 120 hertz 8K 60 if you want and ak-60 8K 60 through one cable yeah yeah
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so if you if you have an 8K Monitor and you're playing 8K content on your
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MacBook I think that means it could take a Content out yeah that's not worth it for you well I don't
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use it the thing for me is that it should have been there last year yeah and so it's just good they're adding it
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and then also Wi-Fi 6E because there's all of these Wi-Fi 6E routers that are starting to come out now it's funny that
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I even have Wi-Fi seven now so that's the one thing that I did kind of think about I mean the Wi-Fi is great I go home and I get like the best speeds on
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this computer out of any other device on my Wi-Fi network yeah but it would be cool yeah but whatever yeah like I just
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bought a nest Wi-Fi Pro and that is specifically the 6E router it's one of the first 6C routers and it would just
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be nice if like we just upgraded the studio here to Wi-Fi 60 right yeah yeah yeah so glad we have 60 for the like 30
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downwinds yes I'm not gonna buy a new Macbook just to
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get Wi-Fi 60 I'm just saying it's great for the people that are buying new MacBooks yeah exactly I'm just saying
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the last time Marquez said you weren't going to get something we then had a plaid like three weeks later that's not
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the last one I've been very good I said I was gonna get a matte black trash can and I didn't buy it I just remember
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getting a slack message in like the random chat with Marquez just saying okay guys hear me out and I just knew
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things Marquez has said in the past while we're on the subject uh I do have a little link here in the dock from
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something that you said the last MacBooks that came out and I think there's a little promise you're gonna
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have to keep good on can we play the audio paying attention to what's on the screen
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it disappears even more than it did on the smaller screen of the phones but that being said if the next version of
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this laptop still has a notch this big and doesn't add face ID
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I'll wear socks and sandals for a day like Linus like they just they've got to be planning on putting it there
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eventually right it almost remembers to talk about how um
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have you not been getting tagged in this like a million I've gotten multiple tags on Twitter and read it about this I've
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been tagged about this what I to be fair since tweetbot and Flamingo died I have
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not been on top of my missions we're having a rough day I lost my favorite apps for keeping track of these things
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no I think well okay I guess my question is does this count as the next yes
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version of this because it was it's basically just it's a chip bump in the same laptop but they added other stuff
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too they added HDMI 2.1 added Wi-Fi 630 and
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they got an extra hour of extra battery life and they're not going to refresh the chassis of this until like the M4 I
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would guess I guess that's kind of what I'm maybe yeah I'm just trying
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not that big of a deal with stuff come to California I said for a day for a day I think that's a bold
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you were I think I considered it would be winter that would be more that's a fair I have a
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compromise what if you can double or nothing so when they do change the whole
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design if there's still no face ID then you have to wear Crocs yeah if there's an over a week for a week Crocs double
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or nothing I was gonna not let him get out of this double or nothing that is Crocs for a week I don't think I want to
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take I think my logic behind this was like if you look at this Notch and and
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obviously all the Technologies Apple typically puts inside of a large Notch is like all the face ID stuff and this
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gigantic notch in this laptop only has a webcam and like the ambient light sensor
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and like maybe the microphone and that's it and I was like okay they're clearly going to do more they're going to like you know start doing notches across the
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whole you know all the lineups they're gonna do notches and all these things and they wanted to add face at the same time you guys used to it but I I just
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can't believe that yeah they're clearly going to there's no way they just did this huge Notch which is so unsightly
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just for the webcam yeah um there there is a cool Mac app though called hand mirror where if you bring
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your cursor underneath the Notch and click it brings up like a little video preview of what your camera sees so if
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you need like a quick yeah you have to click behind the notch so it's not just accidentally swiping by it just catch a
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glimpse of yourself yeah so if you yeah if you just like need a quick you know and they're decent does anyone know if there's a Windows app of that because
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there are some times where I'm just like I kind of wish I could see myself in my webcam real quick without having to like
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open up OBS or some why would you want that you never know I don't check your
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hair before a podcast yeah or the or if you I don't know everyone just thought it was cool and it was on the MacBook
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but now it's windows and it's terrible yeah yeah wow yeah it's a notch it'd be
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cool you could ask Siri it'd be like yo Siri do I look okay today she's like yeah there are times I want to make sure the webcam is like plugged in and
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working and everything or like not dirty before a call yeah yeah typically I just like open Quicktime and but that's
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convenient I usually want to check if I'm dirty before I call you know that's why I use my digital webcam to confirm
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yeah yeah I can't see myself without it you know Fair well I mean you know new laptop it's got the notch
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oh yeah I do not want the Crocs bet looming over my head so I will find a
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way um that's not the only new machine though there is also maybe a more interesting machine which is the new Mac
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Mini which got me thinking a lot about the poor iMac the M1 iMac that's just
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kind of been like sitting unupdated for a while and we have a new M2 Chip but
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they have and put it in the Mac yet why I don't know yeah but the Mac Mini which had an M2 which had an M1 and an M1 Pro
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now has an M2 and an M2 Pro I don't think it had M1 Pro did it oh sorry yeah I didn't even have them you just had M1
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just had the Apple silicon M1 Mac Mini yeah these names okay so now we have the
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Mac Mini with M2 and the Mac Mini with M2 Pro which is nice it's a little higher end no Ultra that's of course for
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the studio the studio comes with the pro and the Mac or for the alt the max of the ultra the Mac Studio has the Max and
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the ultra yeah which is why we don't have a new Mac Studio because there's new there's no M2 Ultra yet yeah
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um but we do have like all the I thought all the bass M2 stuff would be done like the M2 iPad is out the M2 everything
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else is out why is there no M2 iMac what I I did they forget about the iMac I think they've got leftover M1 chips left
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and they just need to put them somewhere and people that buy all-in-one computers are not the people that like like if you
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pick if you pick up a Mac Mini or like a Mac Studio you're choosing your own display which means you kind of care
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about your peripherals so that means that is an indicator that you're more of a professional but if you buy an M1 iMac
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you're probably using it as like a family computer or something basic so those people most likely don't really
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care about that like 30 GPU bump or whatever true except same with iPad well
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okay iPad is just unnecessary in every way although they have at least they have resolve on it now yeah I figured
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they ship a lot more I am wrong but maybe I think they ship more iPads than they do IMax I'm sure oh almost
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definitely so they really wanted to get rid of M1 chips just put in all the iPads they still are like fire sailing
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the M1 iPads all the time true yeah I think they're still trying to get rid of them but for a leftover M1 chips in
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general I would bet you they're putting them in and when I'm X plus they come in a lot of fun colors you can put them kind of anywhere yeah they can move a
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lot of units look these are these are going to be good computers I'm pretty sure I mean we're going to test them we'll we'll have reviews when they're
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ready but I feel like my initial reaction is like wow these M1 machines if you can get a discount on them uh are
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are still amazing like everyone I've this is very rare everyone I've talked to who I've recommended get one of these
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M1 Pro or M1 Max MacBook Pros loves the thing if you can find one on a discount
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highly recommend it it's going to get software updates the same way the M2 does like I don't see any downside so unless you need HDMI 2.1 or Wi-Fi 6E
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keep an eye out for those discounts because that's gonna be good a 600 M2 Mac Mini
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that is like kind of the most interesting to me yeah sneaky great deal that feels like there's some there's
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some very Niche people out there that probably are like oh my goodness that's a killer price yeah I just had this
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memory I remember I think I saw on Twitter maybe two one or two days ago as of the day we recorded this of like this
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is the eighth anniversary of like Steve Jobs pulling the MacBook Air out of the envelope or whatever I don't know if you
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saw that and that was like a crazy thing to do for a computer it was like
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mind-blowing that that much compute could fit in on a manila envelope and now I'm just thinking like
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yeah an M2 iPad would fit in that envelope and yeah dramatically more powerful like if I had this M2 Mac Mini
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back when I was doing the fastest magnet on the project not in the envelope but like I did the fastest Mac Mini in the
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world project and tried to cram as much power into a Mac Mini as possible this thing would just obliterate it and it's
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600 that's what I I think about that manila envelope moment a lot because I was in seventh grade in the audience for
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that moment like I was there when that happened and I had no idea if why that
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was important I was just like seventh grade okay he's pulling a computer Avid envelope my brain was just mushed so I
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kind of you know I kind of feel like I do remember being really impressed and I was like I wish it had ports because I
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would totally use that one I'm glad that you obtained Consciousness before that yeah before I did I was awake I was
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online I was not I was just like I like iPods I was just thinking like what is
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going to be the next moment that they do something like that and I was low-key thinking what the glasses yeah what if
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like the whole time time someone's on stage they're wearing glasses and then they're like these are actually though that's tough like that's crazy that's
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tough everyone will notice that immediately yeah because every time the sound comes out on stage yeah they get
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analyzed from head to toe yeah like if you have a watch Being rumored everyone who goes on stage has a little sliver of
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a watch ticking out under the sleeve and that thing is all over Twitter the second they walk out what if everyone wears what wears glasses the whole
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presentation that's even more obvious bro they're like everyone they're all
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different frames that would be tough Tim Cook does usually have glasses on yeah they just find all the presenters they
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make sure that they all have any characters and they're just like okay you'll fit it you usually have
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glasses so I'm not sure what's happening right now I don't know there was that like there was like a few events in a
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row where it was like this is our new camera and video capabilities are great and this whole live stream has been
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filmed in it and that like see it's pretty obvious when that happened to him but none of them have been as shocking
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as like the earlier Tech technology demos when like you have no idea what's happening and they just pull out a whole
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new technology like that's what was always so incredible it's it's increasingly rare yeah
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leaking's making that so much tougher also yeah like only know all the products before it's I think it was so
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iconic because even if the computer did leak that moment of pulling out of an envelope on stage the reference of it
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yeah that moment yeah smart presentation moment was pretty uh iconic I think
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right well there's another Apple product we got to talk about the best one
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it's the homepod two second second gen second one the home the second
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generation homepod gen two okay so what's new about this one right
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and AD break I'll just say to set the stage for the
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homepod the first generation homepod was discontinued right okay so this is a
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350 the Siri smart speaker and wait it
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was a cool sound it sounded pretty good right yeah it launched 350 remember yeah and then they dropped the price to 300
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yeah and then that didn't work and then it discontinued but it was like okay we're gonna bring the homepod back
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what are we going to do with this homepod so this second generation homepod it is 299 at launch it's
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a size same size I'd be losing money if I didn't buy it yeah so so here's the
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difference is the screen on top which was this like cool animation like LCD touch sensitive area for volume and
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triggering Siri is bigger it's a full coverage of colorfulness yeah that's why
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you didn't buy the homepod right yes yes absolutely the reason yeah that's that's new uh has an S7 chip inside it now has
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a temperature and humidity sensor inside so you can ask it
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what's the humidity in this room why would you do that and people do that apparently that was also activated by a
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software update for homepod minis which were secretly also carrying the sensor the whole time yeah it's being updated
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next week but you wanted the bigger one so you know they they wanted the 300
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so that's new there is also a software feature where because there's
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microphones it can always be listening it will recognize the sound of a smoke detector or carbon monoxide alarm yeah
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and if you're not home it'll send a notification that it heard that sound to your phone so you'll I mean that's also
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a software update for the homepod mini but so you know if you're happy I do like that it's a cool feature it's a good is it yeah I actually do like that
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feature is it a good feature is everything yeah it was done because if I'm in the room
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I don't need my home pod to tell yeah but if I'm if you're going away but if yeah you called 9-1-1 and you have them
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go to your house do they want you to race home
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it's like the Apple watch where it's like if you don't have this product your house could burn down
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yeah but like that would be what if what if like we were chilling recording the podcast Wednesday and I'm like oh sorry
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guys my apartment's on fire I do good to know good to know I think
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like in the city where it's like your apartment somebody would probably call the but like if I'm even if I was just
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like walking the dog and I got a notification my house is on fire and I'm like a block not even a block I'm in the
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middle you turn around and you're like yup well it's like call 9-1-1 and like run back yeah I don't know yeah I think
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it's cool and Nest does it but Apple doesn't have any security cameras right so this is their way of being inside the
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home with a microphone it's their way of always listening but returning the favor by giving you convenience yeah you know
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thanks yeah yeah yeah I actually do like that so that's that's the stuff it's it
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also now has matter um which I think is great but as we
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learned yes uh the old homepod got matter in October of last year yes uh
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however it didn't have a thread radio so the only difference is like you can do matter over Wi-Fi or thread but thread
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is the thing that allows for that like intranet thing where it creates a mesh Network inside your house that it doesn't have to go into the internet so
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it's uh you know it's more secure and it's local and all that stuff um that's good I think that more
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expensive Home Smart speakers are gonna get thread radios with matter yes in the coming years
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um and it also can be a thread border router which is good because you need at least one in your home if you want to
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have a thread network but
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this is gonna flop so hard because it still doesn't have Spotify support which
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is freaking stupid because every other smart speaker just supports basically everything and I don't care if I'm an
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apple music user specifically but like if people come over to your house or
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apartment or whatever and just like can't cast the music they have to go on to like it's just annoying yeah if you
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live if you live in the Apple ecosystem it's like a moderately cool product like you you hold your phone up to it and NFC
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and like you you beam your music from Apple music it's like kind of cool yeah if I'm not in the Apple ecosystem I this
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product doesn't really make me want to be and yeah ecosystem yeah well you can AirPlay Spotify and things like that but
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it's true but it's not the same it's not the seamlessness of like me asking my assistant I won't say it so I don't
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trigger everyone's I just say hey Google we get so many comments every time we do
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this I'm like hey G uh play this song and I literally can in the in the home app tell it okay when I asked for that I
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want you to do Google play music or Spotify or whatever else and and it will use YouTube music whatever I want and it
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will log into my account and stream it from the internet so all I have to do is say the command and it does it yeah it's like that's what people want it's just
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like let me say the thing and it just plays wherever I want it to yeah so it doesn't do that I'm also open to be being proven wrong but historically
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expensive smart speakers have not done well except for Sonos uh people don't
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care about audio quality the Google The Google home Max did so bad like that did really badly I'm serious like I'm
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serious yeah people don't want to pay 400 or the nest for a smart I think it's
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300 but yeah LS has two on pre-order right now it's not that audio quality is
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unimportant I really like a good sounding speaker but as we're just saying like the reason the the echo Dot
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and the Google home are much more successful than the
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homepod Max and the sorry the Google Play Google Nest Hub Max homepod
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the big expensive ones is because most people are just doing the convenience
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thing yeah and if it's loud enough to fill the room then that's fine yeah if I want speakers I'll get speakers and
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that's where we're at this has happened with Google multiple times too because it's not just the nest Hub Max that sold like not very many units but when they
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originally did the Google home audio the big I think it was the speaker what was
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it called I thought it was just the max that was the nest Hub Max I was Google home Max Google home yes Google home Max
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and the nest Hub Max both sold really poorly yeah but any smaller versions that were like affordable and you could
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place anywhere sold really well the only thing that could probably change my mind is if I listen to it and it sounds
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volunteers just run down your face beautiful incredible that would Poss and
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it is an updated sound signature if you want to do the Dolby Atmos pairing you do need two of the new one it won't pair
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like one of the old and one of the new so annoying so that's a thing but you know I'll listen to it I'll give it a
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shot do you use apple music I do not I use Spotify so that's gonna be it's gonna be annoying okay it's gonna be
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annoying I'm gonna ask you to do things all right and Siri is also like the most commonly accidentally triggered a person
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I'm shocked that it hasn't like woken up over here because typically we'll have like a the the homepod will sit in the studio
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for a week and it after enough like random quiet like like a air conditioner
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will squeak and it'll just go huh wake up and you're like why you do you think
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I'm triggering this I'll just unplug I think that's my favorite is that it does huh yeah yeah chill sir I like that a
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lot more than the Google like sorry I don't understand just the huh it's more natural but it is weird when nobody said
00:26:24
anything yeah and just the corner of the room voice goes huh like who was that what where did that come from
00:26:31
yeah I don't we'll see how this goes okay but it's that's the homepod too yeah cool
00:26:37
that's the Apple uh press release week yeah and I have one more Apple rumor just because this tweet was kind of
00:26:44
funny to me so I'm just gonna read it to you guys and we can talk about it for like five seconds but Apple isn't definitely postponed
00:26:50
development of its Standalone AR glasses and is planning a lower cost mixed reality headset for next year as a
00:26:56
follow-up to the first version coming this year move your red thread around to where
00:27:02
we're going there I need you to read that again just because we all know about the the current Google headset
00:27:09
right wait Apple headset yeah I'm just kidding it's not out oh this is like oh this is a tweet talking about delaying
00:27:16
an inevitable rumor or a rumor that's then gonna make the second version of
00:27:22
the where the first version is a rumor already so there we've seen none of it they're indefinitely delaying the
00:27:27
Standalone glasses yeah I think like the Google the Apple Google Glass kind and
00:27:33
then they're planning a lower cost version of the headset they're going to it release next year where then this
00:27:39
year's headset is the higher so this report is just basically sensitive version the second gen of the thing that
00:27:45
is coming out next year which is not still glasses but a headset oh yeah this year this year is oh my goodness I'm
00:27:50
sorry the mixed reality headset AR VR I'm assuming like Oculus Quest Pro and yeah competitive um competitor whereas
00:27:58
then the AI hourglasses are and definitely postponed which is so we are going to get a cheaper version of the
00:28:04
mixed reality it's so disappointing these are all just like it's like rumors about products that don't exist and how
00:28:10
they're like reorganizing how they're I none of this will actually affect anyone until they actually come out so I'm just like yeah waiting for them to come out
00:28:16
it is kind of to be fair anytime you go to like a VR or ar event or where anyone is ever talking about this sort of
00:28:23
looming in the background of every one of those conversations is well Apple hasn't done their thing yet yeah and it's sort of when are they
00:28:29
going to they're going to jump in eventually have you seen what Apple's working on even when I talk to people at
00:28:35
meta they're like have you seen what Apple's doing and I'm like no yeah nobody has but we're all expecting
00:28:40
something soon so one of those stories second mover Advantage but they're like the eighth mover Advantage yeah yeah I'm
00:28:48
just imagining Apple's VR home screen when you log in it's just a solid white room which is normally it's like a cool
00:28:54
fancy living room that makes you feel at home apples is just walls of white with like no except
00:29:00
depending on the time of day there's a AR Tim Cook and he goes good morning good afternoon
00:29:07
all the time just tell me good morning over your shoulder is just a Johnny eye of sitting in a chair
00:29:13
the menu boys
00:29:20
time for you to log off it's perfect and the battery's dead your battery life is
00:29:27
low I would consider the voice acting that was that wasn't bad uh okay well
00:29:35
that's the Apple stuff for this week I think we have we have a we have enough to talk about after the break so let's
00:29:41
do trivia trivia so quick update on the score Marquez has
00:29:49
three Andrew has two David has two oh close how long is the season how long we
00:29:57
want it to be let's go brother yeah so we have a comfortable lead on this
00:30:02
yeah and then they'll give me the chance to catch back up again and I still won't
00:30:08
catch it okay all right in 2000 Tristan Lois first proposed attaching audio and
00:30:15
video to RSS feeds in 2004 the word podcasting was coined in a guardian
00:30:21
article by Ben hammersley in what year did Apple officially add podcasting to iTunes
00:30:30
I feel like this is one of those things where as a podcaster we should know the history behind the rough idea
00:30:36
oh wait I'm gonna do this yet I already forgot the question I barely remember
00:30:43
[Music]
00:30:50
all right welcome back I have a rant and it's not really my rant because this is
00:30:55
a rant all three of us have had before on the side a long long time ago I think I pitched it as a long-form podcast
00:31:02
episode and then as we talked about it we've it felt too long for a podcast which was kind of wild but but anyways
00:31:09
it all resurfaced as a shower thought and I'll explain why so
00:31:15
I ordered a mirror for my shower why on Amazon because I wanted to shave in my
00:31:21
shower instead of that's a fish having to clean all the beard hair off that's really smart actually yeah it would be
00:31:27
harder if I actually could grow beer but so it's not that important um but so anyways I get it I put it in
00:31:34
my shower and it like fogs up immediately despite saying it is a no fog mirror and like using a mirror in
00:31:40
the shower that's bogged is pretty much useless yeah so I thought to myself I was like I'm not just going to return
00:31:46
this like would we all agree when we get a bad thing on Amazon the first thing we do is just return it and then forget
00:31:52
about it get our money back because that's the most important either that or I forget to return it and um you know
00:31:58
and then just eat eat it yeah yeah okay yes I put it in the microwave and then I eat it unless you gotta warm it up first
00:32:04
okay so I was like instead of just returning this I'm leaving this a bad
00:32:09
review because I've I felt like I have not been leaving things bad reviews lately I need to give more negative I
00:32:16
need to give more negative reviews okay and then I just thought I just need to give more reviews in general and that
00:32:22
online review system is broken and I feel like welcome I can give more
00:32:27
reviews I can help that system because this thing had thirty thousand views and
00:32:33
an over 4 star rating welcome to the rabbit hole my friend thought this has been a well a series of
00:32:41
like a web of thoughts that we were at some point gonna try to make a video with like I try to I try to
00:32:48
come up with like a structure when we have a thought that's worth a video we try to come up with like a title that's
00:32:53
sort of at least in my head I can picture like a branching out into either a flow of ideas with a beginning and an
00:32:58
end or like arriving at a conclusion like a funnel and this one is just like a bunch of things that I that are all
00:33:05
interesting and have all something to do with reviews but here's a place to start
00:33:11
all right when you go to buy something from Amazon like a product you you
00:33:16
always have a choice of like a couple different options would you rather pick one with 12 reviews 4.9 stars or
00:33:24
780 reviews 4.6 stars all other things being equal and there's a there's always a Tipping
00:33:30
Point where you're like oh well maybe if it was 4.7 I would do it or maybe if the price was different but like that's one of those things where it's always like
00:33:35
hmm reviews online are mostly just us deciding what to do with these numbers in our heads sometimes you look at the
00:33:42
the distribution of ratings so two things could both be 4.7 stars but if
00:33:48
one of them is mostly even and one of them is mostly five stars and then a bunch of one Stars that's a
00:33:55
different vibe you know what I'm saying and like how do you process this information make a decision it's all
00:34:02
fascinating to me let's answer that question first what would you which one would you pick I would pick the slightly lower reviewed one with way more ratings
00:34:09
I agree with that I I think my reasoning for that is is I feel like Amazon tries the game like they try and get people to
00:34:17
put good reviews more ratings to me feels like less of a
00:34:22
chance like they're gonna get 500 plus a thousand places with not many reviews in general feel suspicious and it's sort of
00:34:29
like how you can create any shape from triangles or squares if you like have enough of them even though triangles you
00:34:35
can create a circle right you integrate under the curve and then you get this like really filled out yes it's harder to get
00:34:44
784.6 Stars I was like what are you talking about I'm going to accelerate
00:34:51
so we can just forget it I give that analogy a three star out of five I just
00:34:56
it's like it's harder to get 784.6 exactly fake reviews yeah yeah uh
00:35:03
no if you just like have a good enough product people will review it enough that you have 780 reviews we're like I could get 12 4.9 star reviews like
00:35:09
pretty quick but it also it depends so much on the context like is it a restaurant or is it skydiving is it an
00:35:17
Uber or is it a hotel like if I see an Uber that's 4.6 Stars something bad
00:35:23
that's bad what happened sorry I was just going to say really quickly
00:35:29
yeah if you're an Uber of 4.6 Stars you might not even show up on someone's account because like right in Uber
00:35:36
you're basically like a 4.9 or a five and if you're not you're probably just not showing up and you've lost your job
00:35:42
the stratification of acceptable changes based on the context of the thing like if you're going for an Uber ride it's
00:35:50
basically like 4.8 stars to 5 stars is the range of acceptable and 4.8 is the lower end of acceptable if you're going
00:35:57
to a uh a theme park it's like 3.5 stars is probably fine if I'm gonna see a
00:36:03
movie like I'm not like rotten tomatoes people go to two two out of ten Rotten Tomatoes movies all the time but if it's
00:36:09
skydiving I don't accept a two out of ten yeah what happens at this guy right
00:36:15
two out of ten so the context now like your laces reviews yeah my yeah I give
00:36:21
my lasik a 10 out of 10. but here's the other question how do you give a rating
00:36:27
because we have this one system in our head for evaluating existing ratings and then we have another system on our head
00:36:32
for you got the shower mirror hear me out technically only one thing was wrong with it
00:36:38
it worked yeah yeah it attached to the shower it just didn't do the one thing
00:36:43
which is fog so like it's gonna do the one thing that made it usable it did reflect so it reflected you it was a
00:36:50
mirror break you took it out the box it was packaged well like nothing was just okay the same way as the picture this is
00:36:56
kind of okay so this is kind of what I wanted to talk about in the sense is like I think the way we review things should
00:37:04
be different in the sense that we should stop using the only ones and fives like
00:37:09
it feels like we're in this scenario of like I either hate this thing therefore it gets a one and I'm putting no other
00:37:15
thought into it or like I really loved this and it's a five but I think we should stop giving fives because for
00:37:22
five it has to be perfect like what was the last thing either of you guys bought that was like a literally perfect thing
00:37:28
like you had zero qualms about it that's not very often the uh and this is not a
00:37:34
joke the fogless Shaving mirror in my shower I need to get a do you have an
00:37:39
affiliate link for that yeah it's sweet it's awesome okay I actually ask you for that but is there any part of that that
00:37:45
could have been better that's the question like well that's a so slightly different question because I think
00:37:51
something can be perfect and still could be better really I think that's possible really yeah I think there are products
00:37:57
out there like right now if I like it's imagine a super simple product like like a hammer sure I could go to Home Depot
00:38:04
right now and for twenty dollars pick up a hammer off the shelf and it's heavy and it's weighted it's got a nice grip and I hammer in the nail in one shot and
00:38:10
I'm like this Hammer nothing wrong with it five out of five but it could have a
00:38:16
nice carbon fiber weave on the inside to make the handle lighter and that would be better I'm not gonna give this Hammer
00:38:22
a four now because it's not even better like yeah so that's like that's like that's like reviewing in a vacuum versus
00:38:28
reviewing against like everything else that's available I guess right but then you have to take like the price into account like all of this stuff the
00:38:34
pricey has a lot to do my thing is like my MacBook Pro 16 inch I to me is perfect except it could have Wi-Fi 6C it
00:38:43
could have HDMI 2.1 which technically was still true before this new one came out yeah yeah totally and it has the not
00:38:50
touch that doesn't have face ID so it's like I love it and I don't there's nothing that I'm like it's so it's so
00:38:56
annoying that I don't want it but what's wrong with giving that a four a four is
00:39:02
a great score buy it because it was it was the best available thing a four different fantastic score I think we
00:39:08
should the hard thing is everyone needs to move to your system which I'm not saying they shouldn't I'm saying they should it's just a hashtag it will be
00:39:14
that solves everything yeah because people do need to be more kind of critical because right now ratings are
00:39:20
five star to 10 10 5 star ratings are pretty binary it's like it you either
00:39:26
get a five star or even if you get a four or a three that's basically a one and then it creates especially when you
00:39:32
have like all of these reviews that created like a 4.2 4.3 like even if you have a four four star and a five star
00:39:38
there are 10 systems in between that yeah that's what's confusing about yeah a 4.1 star is just a matter it's just a
00:39:45
function of how many one stars and what you're comparing it to a 4.1 star compared to a five star is a one star
00:39:50
versus a is a one star versus right zero star versus a one star this is like another one of those thoughts as like a
00:39:56
five if if something is pretty good but it has like a 4.5 that means they got a certain number of one star virus but if
00:40:03
it's a 4.2 that means it probably got more 1 stars in the 4.5 yeah so yeah that's another thought they're binary
00:40:09
but yeah binary is another thing yeah so a lot of rating systems for evaluating
00:40:15
I don't even think products anymore but content a lot of times has turned into binary because it's just a simple quick
00:40:21
thing like YouTube used to be a five-star rating system yeah not that long ago I mean for me I was around back
00:40:28
then but like a couple years ago I'm pretty old okay I remember I remember back in my day
00:40:35
asking for a five-star rating on a video and that was cool because people would leave five star ratings but my video
00:40:40
would end up with a 4.9 because some people gave it a one some people gave it a two very rarely did anyone give it a
00:40:46
two three or four but that was a real option but like no one really used those buttons so YouTube just turned it into
00:40:52
like or dislike if you want to train your algorithm you either hit like to see more or hit dislike to see less and
00:40:59
maybe that supports the Creator you can't even see the dislikes anymore which is funny but now it's like on tick tock
00:41:04
it's it's almost less than binary because I don't know maybe we're not reviewing content but like I can like it
00:41:11
but also if I just watch it till the end that's positive signal yeah and then
00:41:16
that's the same on YouTube too though I mean I'm the Netflix too like if you watch something all the way to the end they assume you like it Netflix I
00:41:23
recently saw added a love button so there's a like
00:41:28
I like like there's like a heart from like me or do you like like me and
00:41:33
there's a dislike but there's a love button so now it's like yeah you watch something that gives it a
00:41:39
positive signal do you guys ever like stuff on Netflix I don't Netflix really validation I like stuff do you really yeah sometimes I just defeat the
00:41:45
algorithm yeah yeah to be like more of this please yeah also I share it with my girlfriend so sometimes it'll be like a
00:41:51
movie that I really don't care about and if she's liked it I'm just screwed so I try to like push it back in my direction
00:41:58
by pushing the lights I also want to make a really quick note about YouTube removing the dislike button I know we
00:42:04
already had this conversation the button's still there okay I'm just gonna say if they removed
00:42:11
the button it wouldn't change anything because liking the like button or not liking the like button is the same thing
00:42:17
as liking or disliking only my only pushback would be people have to really
00:42:23
the ratio of likes and dislikes on YouTube is like most people don't press the button at all yeah and the default
00:42:30
for any engagement for most people is to hit the like button yeah only in the strange case that people really don't
00:42:37
like the video you end up with a lot of dislikes or something went wrong so if you remove the button you kind of
00:42:44
remove the difference between not hitting the button and really disliking it and wanting to signal that you
00:42:49
dislike it yeah so that's like it's not quite a binary it's like a three-tiered rating system yeah as it currently
00:42:54
exists um there's also the Snowball Effect like on Reddit like voting versus downloading
00:43:00
things if you see something that's really highly downvoted you're more likely to down to pile on yeah or upvote
00:43:06
that's aware of all of our videos on our Android it's pretty much like was the first couple comments good or bad and
00:43:11
now the entire thread or your Trend because nobody wants to be the like nobody wants to be the person that
00:43:17
doesn't have the same opinion yeah I've noticed that actually I don't know I don't have a name for it yet but I could probably write a thesis paper on like
00:43:22
momentum of I'm sure ultimate analysis that has almost definitely been like online heavily studied probably through
00:43:29
Reddit specifically yeah we have the benefit now of like we publish content on YouTube and we get instant feedback but I even I will notice now on our own
00:43:36
videos or on videos in my sub box if I check very early for the center of comments within the first two minutes of
00:43:44
a 10 minute video those sentiments can drive the rest of the video unless it's
00:43:50
a pretty dramatically terrible video Yeah it usually will just set it in motion yeah
00:43:55
um so yeah it's all about that's another you know blob in my head of like review momentum and if you if you're an Amazon
00:44:02
Seller you need to get as many reviews as possible and they need to be five stars because the second it starts
00:44:07
turning yeah it's turning that's one of my problems with Amazon though is now imagine that momentum carries on year
00:44:15
after year after year imagine you made an updated version of let's say state of 4K and rather than a new video it
00:44:22
replaced it and you kept all the old comments so like on Amazon you could have
00:44:28
um let's just say like the Galaxy watch four that's a bad example but like the Galaxy watch and then the new generation
00:44:33
comes out it stays under the same old listing in the old listing and then so now you look at reviews and they're from
00:44:40
like 2019 in their great you sort by frequent and they're like one stars like the new version of this sucks I like
00:44:47
never buy it but that's not what you see unless you dig for it it's easy to dupe people like yeah like having having new
00:44:53
product listings taking advantage of the momentum of old ratings there is one
00:44:59
place though where we we actually accept that which is software because if if you have
00:45:05
an app in the app store there's constantly new versions coming out and they just keep all the old ratings like
00:45:10
we have a podcast and the ratings when we put up a new episode don't go away they stay and we just continue updating
00:45:18
it over time I've always been five stars yeah but if you sort by most recent then you can get a better idea of the newest
00:45:24
version of the product and how it's going versus older thing this happened really recently I don't remember if it
00:45:29
was Sony earbuds or a Sony phone or something but I remember like some Xperia product I think it was had just
00:45:36
come it hadn't even come out yet and I looked on Amazon to see if it was like available for pre-order and it already
00:45:41
had like thousands of reviews and I was super confused and I looked at them and
00:45:46
they had just swapped out the ex like existing listing of the previous version
00:45:52
of the product so it kept all of the same reviews that's but it was a new product that hadn't even come out yet
00:45:57
yeah for a tech product that seems insane yeah I think I think it was a Sony product I don't particularly
00:46:03
remember but it was really weird I was like how are you even allowed to do that this is not even the same product it's
00:46:08
weird it's like more common when an existing product that is like technically the same model number but they like change some of the materials
00:46:15
which are worse now and they change the manufacturing process or something there's a threshold for how much change is allowed before you need a new a new
00:46:21
listing yeah basically yeah that's what I was surprised with the Sony thing it was weird it's like the the another
00:46:27
thought in this pool of thought this is a rant yeah is like uh the the more
00:46:34
um complicated a product is the more lenience you give its flaws so
00:46:42
if you again to use a hammer example you buy a super simple hammer it only has one job right so if it fails at the one
00:46:50
job yeah I guess it's one star like it doesn't there's no legit I mean you
00:46:55
can't really I could fail it this is the thing is super simple yeah yeah it could be like uh the hammer
00:47:03
could be too small for uh like an exterior deck nail versus like a
00:47:08
finishing nail for having stuff there yeah yeah I'm just trying to go like all the way simple like a brick if I'm
00:47:13
reviewing like it either works it didn't break through the window of my energy and I find it difficult to give a three
00:47:19
star review for a brick right but then we we sit here and we review like electronics and gadgets are very very
00:47:24
intricate and and nuanced and so like when if when a phone comes out it's like it might have a really nice screen but
00:47:30
it might have like not the best processor but it does have a lot of ram so it's future proof and the company has a good record for software updates so
00:47:36
we're teetering at like four stars but then the camera system this year is really bad so now we're back at three points are so complex but for video
00:47:42
quality it somehow does really well the stabilization and the features they added this year are great so it's back up to 4.1 Stars right and so you have
00:47:48
all these things competing for like dragging it in different directions and you end up with a review somewhere in
00:47:53
the middle so you almost never end up with a perfect five or a perfect one for an exceedingly complex product yeah so
00:48:00
you probably don't have to give that many fives or ones but nobody gives threes yeah unless they have a mid
00:48:06
change variance give threes yeah threes are not bad a 3.5 is a seven out of ten
00:48:12
if you think about it that's not a bad score that's not bad C minus what's wrong with seven out of ten it means it
00:48:18
did the majority of the things right I think that's why people get on a plane that worked seven out of tenses
00:48:27
I as a score not bad I don't know I yeah
00:48:33
I just give less ones give less fives I mean here's what I'm gonna do and
00:48:38
everyone can join with me if you want okay I'm going to review every single product I buy on like Amazon Etsy any
00:48:45
online store Gadget I'm not gonna do this because we've gone on a million tangents about restaurants and
00:48:51
everything being different everything I yeah every product I buy I'm going to review and I'm going to limit myself to one
00:48:58
five star review per month I only like I don't think I should be giving out that many fives I'll do this with you thank
00:49:04
you yeah I don't buy a lot of stuff but I will I
00:49:09
buy way too many things that's really interesting you're a homeowner though here's uh here's my I'm always afraid
00:49:16
I'm gonna get evicted so it's a little different here's another notice eviction two out of five
00:49:22
here's another here's another node to add to this pile of thoughts which reviews do people actually
00:49:29
pay attention to yeah because for a product most people if you can actually
00:49:34
sort by reviews and this applies on YouTube whether it's like a phone comes out or just like on Amazon a lot of
00:49:41
people sort by most helpful but you can choose to read just the three star reviews if you want to yeah but I think
00:49:47
most people choose to read the one star reviews to see what's wrong with it yeah yeah and the five star reviews to see
00:49:54
what's good that's exactly what I do and so if you don't give a five star or a one star review most people won't ever
00:50:00
see your review which is kind of what happens with the stratification of like sensationalism on YouTube which is like
00:50:05
a new phone came out it's all right but no one's clicking my video If I say it's all right so I gotta say it's terrible
00:50:11
or amazing like that's a real Force effect I could also write a paper which
00:50:17
is like most products are fine most products are just three stars and that's fine yeah but no one wants to say that
00:50:24
like even the Motorola phone this is kind of a point of like that Moto phone that with the Moto G20 23 that we just
00:50:30
did is like it's a SmartPhone like smartphones are incredible it's amazing
00:50:35
works on it it can like get you around the world you can make phone calls you can browse the internet you can order
00:50:41
from Amazon you could do like yeah technically this is an incredible piece of technology it's just like in a vacuum
00:50:48
where that's the only thing that exists but as soon as you have context of other devices or the price or like for the
00:50:54
price any any additional context and you're like okay let's step back for a second here yeah yeah put the context in
00:51:01
your review that you leave that you know I just think if you leave a bunch of three and four star reviews you will
00:51:08
well I don't know if you care about this but no one's gonna read those reviews I do how about why don't we end this with
00:51:14
what are some best practices you guys use when you use reviews you said you like to look at one and fives I actually
00:51:19
think three and fours generally have a lot of Truth to them somebody leaving a three to four star review probably feels
00:51:26
pretty strongly about the things that they liked and the one or two things it's probably the best way yeah so I
00:51:32
like to look at stuff like that and I also like to sort by more frequent I like reviews that are more recent that I
00:51:38
know is going to be the exact thing I get from Amazon or Etsy or whatever on Amazon you can sort by most helpful so
00:51:45
you can we're still skeptical reviews that have the most reviews so you can
00:51:51
leave a thumbs up on a review and it's like oh this review was helpful and so when you go to read the reviews on
00:51:57
Amazon you can sort those reviews by the most reviewed reviews so if a review is all reviewed you'd review the review and
00:52:03
you'd the people that review the reviewers review are often the people that that have not reviewed the actual
00:52:10
printing which has to be a verified review to review the review no anyone can review the review yeah anyone
00:52:17
can on Amazon anyone can review the review yeah that's what's frustrating about like tech reviews is that there's
00:52:22
so many people who like to review your review and they're just like right good review but a lot of the time can we wrap
00:52:29
this up please I'm just saying like it's a way for a review to be a good
00:52:34
review even if you don't agree like agree with the reviewer because it covers everything right if you talk
00:52:41
about the things that are important that people want to hear about that's technically a good review your opinion about that device is subjective but it's
00:52:51
the people that say like oh this this is a terrible review I don't agree with you even though I've never touched the thing
00:52:56
yeah that's what's so frustrating about the reviews review people reviewing the reviewers reviews of the reviews yeah
00:53:02
one thing I'll say is I've I've always straight away from giving uh we review lots of things here but numerical
00:53:07
ratings uh especially for Tech because Tech improves over time yeah and so a
00:53:13
theoretically let's even say Four Star product from years ago the older it gets
00:53:19
the more context you have about new things that are better and you'd never get that thing today that thing that was four stars is now one star yeah that
00:53:26
thing that was a nine out of ten today the iPhone 4S might have been a 9 out of 10 when it came out but today
00:53:32
yeah it barely works it's probably a three out of ten so I I I've decided I
00:53:38
don't like giving numerical reviews to things it's always just a the feelings
00:53:43
and the experiences and sharing that with people and ideally that's the most
00:53:49
helpful thing you can do yeah and since it's since you're on Amazon you have to attach it to a star rating yeah I don't
00:53:54
know if you're going to account for like Star inflation over time well you adjust your review every year I'm not when the
00:54:00
new shower mirror comes out well when stars inflate eventually they lose their energy they collapse become black holes
00:54:05
someone cue the trivia music please and then before we do I I have one one thing
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I want to throw in here about reviews just one last thing if you're ever shopping and this is what I do if you're
00:54:16
ever shopping for Pro Audio gear specifically this just applies to Pro Audio gear and you want to know if a
00:54:23
product that you're buying is going to be durable specifically if you can like bang it around take it with you and it's
00:54:29
not going to break look for someone in the reviews that says exactly this we have this at my church comma and we
00:54:37
love it if someone has written that in the reviews it means that thing is getting banged around and treated terribly and
00:54:44
it works week after week after week which means again it's a good sign Alice is pro tip and
00:54:50
without wait fun fact you two's Sunday Bloody Sunday was actually written about Pro Audio gear at churches
00:54:58
I because they bang it around okay okay anyway trivia question number
00:55:05
two yeah yep you two's Bloody Sunday
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no no so at the beginning of this we were talking about a lot of Apple products like home pods and whatnot it
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reminded me of the original iPod released in 2001.
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what does the pod in iPod stand for 160 by 128.
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no one will ever get that joke except for us uh and you yeah we're not gonna tell you here's an ad break
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all right welcome back we don't have much else to talk about but I do want to show you guys a video uh there is only one YouTube channel
00:55:57
that when they when they drop a new video I literally stop what I'm doing and go watch it
00:56:03
of the day I'm afraid it's not that one yeah I mean I'm subscribed I got notifications
00:56:09
turned on I got the Bell the whole thing you know Andrew does not have notifications turned on to the waveform podcast
00:56:15
fake fan but with this one not only do I have notifications turned on I could be in the middle of something I could be
00:56:21
driving and if I see that notification I pull over and I open that notification and that is the Boston Dynamics YouTube
00:56:28
channel because when they drop a new video as they did this morning on the day of recording it's Wednesday
00:56:35
um you just know you're gonna see something that's going to change your whole day I thought you're gonna say I pull over because I need to watch if
00:56:40
they finally drop the video of like this robot will kill you start running very important do I need to turn this car
00:56:46
around and save my family anymore information so yeah I wanted to show you guys uh the video they put out today
00:56:52
because this one is life-changing and just like the rest of them it's really well done and really interesting and I
00:56:57
want you to see it so I'm just going to turn this towards you life changing in like a life-threatening kind of way you
00:57:02
never your life will never be as safe as it was before never know all right here we go
00:57:09
can you describe it by the way for us with a hammer three out of ten Amber
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okay and now there's the atlas robot the humanoid shaped one at the bottom of the
00:57:22
scaffolding okay runs over grabs a board great cinematography by the way get that lens
00:57:28
flare that lens flare spins around puts the board in place you can see where this is going why is he Dancing
00:57:34
Yeah instead of heating the tool bag up to
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the top of the scaffolding he runs up the stairs oh boy jumps up Ducks under turn around oh damn
00:57:50
is it an OSHA violation if it's a robot uh he needs to get down here's just a
00:57:56
little double fists his punches that it jumps to I don't this is insane and then he shows off a little bit
00:58:02
oh Gainer yeah off the Box nice when the Tiger Woods pumps yeah
00:58:12
and that's the video Dismount 8 out of ten wow ladies and gentlemen that this smell was pretty good Boston does you
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see the dinosaurs that twirl I could not do that that fluid of a twirl and that's
00:58:24
a really heavy robot these robots have been doing things for years I honestly couldn't do myself yeah definitely my
00:58:31
main thought was also when seeing this like one half of my brain I think I tweeted this before like one half of my brain is like it's fine it's fine it
00:58:37
doesn't it's totally fine it's just a pre-programmed series of moves that somebody with a controller told the
00:58:43
robot to do it's not alive it's fine it's just rehearsing something that they built a robot to do
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but then the other half of my brain is like oh my God this thing is like going to take over the world it's clearly
00:58:54
capable of things that none of us are it's aware of its environment it's sent in it's picking up things it's wow
00:59:02
it's not sentient but it is also it does bring up an interesting question to me which is like how much of what it's
00:59:08
doing is pre-programmed like it yeah you clearly like set up the scene you put
00:59:14
the board there right you put all the the scaffolding there so it can climb up everything and then when we spent time
00:59:21
with the spot robot if you like steer it add an obstacle it will walk up to the
00:59:26
obstacle and climb over it even though I didn't hit a climb button yeah yeah it just it is aware of the obstacle and it
00:59:32
knows that with its set of legs and with the things in front of it it needs to do the certain things to climb over it yeah with this humanoid one what is it
00:59:40
program to do versus how much of it like when it does the Gainer off the off the
00:59:45
box and then it lands and it does like a hop or two to like get its like balance
00:59:50
yeah that part is I was just gonna say that it didn't stick to Landing yeah like it yeah
00:59:56
the gyroscopes are constantly being pinged like a thousand times a second like they're they're in real time like
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evaluating it right weight distribution if I to guess also before like we get
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fact checked out if it's a Gainer it's not a Gainer it's like I don't know I don't know exactly what it is we're just
01:00:12
saying Gainer because it's front flip it was like a 180 front flip or something yeah any fact check is live on the podcast yeah I know the parkour yeah I'm
01:00:20
really upset about it um like okay so it grabs the board if I had to guess in the whole scenario I'd
01:00:27
say there's like a couple things that are pre-planned like I don't think it's smart enough to grab a board like to see
01:00:33
the Gap and grab the board to fix the Gap I think it's like yeah grab this put
01:00:38
it here and now here is your walking path in that walking path you will react to what's in your way yeah there's
01:00:44
definitely like a mix of computer vision with pre-programmed events and in terms of the like
01:00:49
it it wouldn't think I need to get down of here let me push this block off jump onto it and then do a 180 front flip off
01:00:56
the end of it but I do think the programming was walk up to this box push
01:01:01
it walk up to wherever you think the edge is evaluate evaluate then do this
01:01:07
jump do the flip yeah and then the landing again is like land as best as you can yeah and it's it's still needed
01:01:12
to use its cameras to get to the edge of that block to then do the flip off of it because because it pushed the block off
01:01:19
it wasn't in an exact coordinate that you could program it so you don't know how far that's going to slide forward or
01:01:24
backwards you still need to clear a gap and then do a flip yeah so it's like if
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I uh we need Boston Dynamics we need yeah we need someone to tell us someone
01:01:34
who's worked on this probably I just imagine like uh the controller for it like you you point it at a set of stairs
01:01:40
and you just hit forward and it just starts running up the stairs like oh my God it's running up the stage like it
01:01:46
had to figure that out you pick a face and you just push Chase and I believe what this is probably doing is similar
01:01:52
to like a production line you know this production lines where they're like putting cans on soup or something and they're just like
01:01:58
well that has minimal uh yeah exactly that has like no computer vision but
01:02:04
imagine there's like computer vision attached to this so it knows like where it needs to stamp like it sees the can
01:02:09
and identifies the camp then it stamps it sees the cans stamps it like I imagine that this is doing a similar
01:02:15
kind of thing uh it's when it it's when it's able to make its own decisions that
01:02:21
we need to start worrying about it ripping out your spine yeah I also I like your Tweet that's
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like like I just want to imagine your first tweet is the motto for Boston Dynamics just like Boston Dynamics it's
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fine it's fine everything's fine it's totally fine everything's fine yeah this
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uh it's fascinating I'm I I kind of want to play with this one I don't I'm scared
01:02:44
I just want to know what happens because it was still it was so cool when we had spot and it was like all right would you
01:02:50
like to play with it they hand us the controller yeah go ahead 10 minutes it's like no training I would just like I
01:02:56
walk up a curb and I turn around I hit forward and it just walks up the curb kind of like I didn't tell it to go up
01:03:02
it just looked at the curb and decided to step up like all these little things I want to know what happens with Atlas anyway uh that's all I just want to show
01:03:09
you the video I also think it's cool that Atlas from Portal is like the same shape it's like the humanoid like that
01:03:15
might be its inspiration yeah yeah I think so yeah I know if you haven't already subscribed to the Boston Dynamics YouTube channel
01:03:21
highly recommend it just to stay on top of your robots and happening you should probably stand up but just wanted to
01:03:27
stomp on top of you it looks like since this morning they also released another video called inside the lab taking Atlas
01:03:34
from SIM to scaffold and it's just like how they did this oh really yes yeah oh from a couple hours ago well I guess so
01:03:40
I guess we'll be watching that afternoon we'll still bring them in yeah I'm embarrassed to say I haven't seen this video yet it came out why we were
01:03:47
recording potentially okay so then I'm going to watch it okay okay
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Atlas can't get any trivia answers right oh that's a good question let's find out they probably could get all of them
01:03:59
actually but wow all right get your boards ready
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don't everyone get all excited now are you guys ready yes all right update on the score again Marquez three Andrew two
01:04:14
David two so you're saying there's a chance there is a chance
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first question brought to you by Ellis hey that's me in 2000 Tristan Lois
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proposed attaching audio and video to RSS feeds in 2004 the word podcasting
01:04:31
was coined in a guardian article by Ben hammersley in what year did Apple officially add podcasting to iTunes
01:04:39
hmm can you say can you say the dates again
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of the other thing is this the closest 2014 Ford specific
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only in 2000 2004 was the year that David
01:04:57
sorry you said it in the thing didn't you there's a lot of dates here okay in
01:05:02
2000 in 2000 Tristan Lois first okay in 2000 the idea
01:05:10
of attaching audio and video to RSS feeds proposed 2004
01:05:17
there's a guardian article that invents the word podcasting okay
01:05:22
in what year did apple add podcasting to iTunes
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excuse the music [Music] David's searching things
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no I'm not I'm not searching anything sorry I'll move away close your computer
01:05:43
my thing's already down all right I got it I'm gonna be
01:05:49
plus or minus one year I know that for a fact oh wow yeah okay I'm interested in
01:05:54
your answer should we do closest or should we do get it or not for this one let's do close okay we're
01:06:00
doing closest okay all right who wants to go first here's
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my answer read them out wait I said Marquez dude I
01:06:10
said 2003 I said 2004 took a risk I said 2006.
01:06:17
was it 2005. it was 2005. I knew it so Andrew and I both get points Andrew oh
01:06:23
my God that makes the score threes what date was it in 2005 oh don't do this
01:06:29
first half or second after the year don't do this oh no uh don't you want to be tied with Marquez with me
01:06:35
take the point where you can well I'm either I could be tied with you or tied with me because
01:06:41
we're all three of us no you're saying either David are you and I tied right now no you and I are tired right yeah
01:06:46
we're tired yeah I like to throw a wrench in things why do you do this oh man I'm pretty sure I'm gonna lose this
01:06:51
it was June 2005. technically that's the first time okay
01:06:58
take the point take the points let's just take the point dude come on I thought it was going to be a fun trick
01:07:05
question I kind of did too that's why I just went with the same year yeah books okay yeah I got two four members I
01:07:12
remember on my computer in my class in my like before school computer class in
01:07:19
2006 opening up iTunes and seeing the little iPod logo and being like oh they
01:07:25
have podcasts on here for the iPod and I I guess I was just like I guess they
01:07:30
must have released it the year before but I only noticed that the year after so I wasn't aware that podcasts were
01:07:38
something like that Apple didn't come up with did too yeah that was what that's why I picked the same year because I thought
01:07:44
it was just interlocked or something all right question number two is brought to you by
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pod God the Third thanks Pop God hi it is I Pogo the third okay are you ready yeah so what does POD
01:08:00
stand for in iPod not pod God the Third I did the same thing yeah
01:08:10
um I mean I should I should I cue the music yeah it's taken it's taken some time
01:08:15
yeah well I mean just always keep the music when we cue the music that gives you 30 seconds that
01:08:21
means there's a countdown I'm done but I'm wrong but it's okay you know what I mean sure
01:08:28
that's called being a chilled dude I'm it's either stupidly obvious where I
01:08:37
am no one exactly can I give you guys that's what we all have the same it is not stupidly obvious okay oh so we're
01:08:44
all wrong in that case
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wait do I have more time then you got three seconds my guy two
01:08:54
one okay whatever I mean I'm not gonna get it whatever two and three quarters no I'm not gonna get it one and a half
01:09:00
flip them and read mine's a fake word I said pocket I said
01:09:08
patio on device wait that's a recursive acronym
01:09:16
do you know what a recursive acronym is called there's a word for that yeah you have
01:09:21
talked about it on trivia yeah it was one that I wasn't here for and I listened to on my road trip
01:09:27
me you were there yeah you talked about a reverse acronym an acronym an acronym
01:09:34
oh we did that it was like it was wow it wasn't originally an acronym and it got me into an acronym it was it's like all
01:09:41
right just because it's just because I'm mad don't you remember whoever remembers gets a point no shut up there's a free
01:09:47
point floating out there also David you're wrong oh I do remember I do I remember now David said should I tell
01:09:54
you first listeners should I tell you now yes acronym
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okay so David's in the lead with four Marquez and Andrew tied with three
01:10:08
because David remembered what background it was the answer to the question by the way portable open database
01:10:15
pod portable open database yeah well that's it then thanks for tuning in to our rant on
01:10:23
reviews and ratings I do want to say I feel enlightened about that trivia answer because I
01:10:30
really thought that iPod stood for iPod podcast like portable podcast
01:10:36
I thought podcast got named because they were on the iPod I thought that is correct it is a play on the word
01:10:43
broadcast yeah I didn't even realize that but the guardian termed it
01:10:49
yeah weird so uh Ben hammersley termed it writing for
01:10:56
the guardian okay um but yeah the whole idea is that like you're you're broadcasting via an RSS
01:11:03
feed to iPod specifically okay yeah I'm more on I'm on I'm up in line
01:11:08
with like vlogging which is video logging is it on video blogging no video well
01:11:15
it's it depends on who yes because there's both yeah because blogging both are things blogging is B logging you
01:11:21
know yeah really yeah I don't I don't really know I don't know most people would say it's video
01:11:28
blogging but people who did daily Vlogs would
01:11:34
call it like video logging their day so I'm sure both answers exist anyway
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