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it it probably takes like what like two hours an hour to go all 15 minutes how long does it take to go all the way around I think it was 45 minutes 45
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minutes okay so it takes this specific one it takes 45 minutes you know to go up around the world land back down right
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that gives you another 23 hours and 15 minutes where your rocket could be making you
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Mone the thing is it is self-driving that's true selfing self driving but
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yeah but all this to say congrats to everyone at SpaceX cuz this was freaking
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incred it was wild to watch yeah it was so cool to watch and I recommend watching it on
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YouTube yo what is up people of the internet welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts
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I'm Marquez I'm Andrew and I'm David we're all back in the same place it's been years uh been one week in uh
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today's episode we've got a new iPad Mini refresh we'll also talk about of course Tesla's wi robot taxi event and
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we'll wrap up with some big new Adobe releases but first I just want to shout out the studio channel uh massive
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quintessential new studio Channel video went live in the last couple days I hope you've already seen it if you haven't
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it'll be in the show notes go watch it I think I realized at some point in the past couple months that I have told this
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like octopus analogy about YouTube many times but only on other people's shows
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right I've I've told it on maybe we did this on the Pod but on other people interviews and i' I've talked about it before and so we just told it ourselves
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with our own team which I thought was nice because there is no how-to guide on how to make a YouTube channel there is
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no how-to guide on how to add a team and how to get help with making YouTube videos and being creative as a creator online so this is our own experiences
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and our own tips and things we've learned from what we've done it's like 55 minutes long it's so worth it it's
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chaptered if you want to skip to certain sections but every section's gold so yeah check that out I mean that's a lot
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of smarts but also a lot of data it was very very well made I think that the the thing with the Whiteboard writing over
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the screen was so cool and helpful many Easter Alex did a good job making that and it was a great idea by how did they
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do that by the way cuz I we bought a piece of clear acrylic and then Alex took like foam core to cut out the pro
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display so it had its own like bezels so cool and then we just could write on the clear it looked so cool yeah it it was
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really well done there was a lot of thought put into that I think everyone was a little worried about posting a 50 minute YouTube video that's the meta
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right now people loved it it seems like a lot of people watched a lot of it I can't believe how many people said this
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should be a course I should pay for normally they're like we don't want to pay for anything well the funny thing is
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you did a master class and now we have this as well I've done various versions of this like I've done um I did a
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skillshare skillshare course which was more how to in the actual nuts and bolo shooting videos and then I've done a
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master class which was also very broad but more on being an online video
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presence so those are two slightly different skills this one was literally just here's what we do we have a YouTube
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channel we are building a team around the skills to develop and make good videos on YouTube and by the way it's
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one of 10 now it's one of 10 right now that's wild I think it's what's awesome about it is like for all the just kind
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of people out there who are even remotely interested in a YouTube channel it speaks to all of those parts but also
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to the people who aren't remotely into that but just want to see how we work it speaks to all of those parts too it's
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really really well done one thing in there there was a part where jonno and Eric made this joke about jonno firing
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Eric but then I guess there's too much of a gap to when they make the joke again and Jon just says like since we
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got rid of one of our producers and apparently a lot of people thought I got fired I don't know how got into that
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conversation but still here it was oh yeah that was a joke got watered
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apparently multiple people emailed Jon asking to apply for the
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position on YouTube wow oh sorry sorry to say that Andrew got fired is his
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job I'd hate to not ask I did that once and I regret it every day I feel bad
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anyway okay yeah so that's out there go watch that video yeah do we do ctas to other channels better than we do do for
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waveform so subscribe to waveform also and the studio Channel and the studio Channel but and waveform we we we
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usually do the Subscribe thing at the end and or in the clips but if you subscribe right now you have an
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opportunity to not have to subscribe again it's like Early Access signal it's a good signal for YouTube you
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subscribing five minutes into the episode is probably a really good signal for YouTube uh the AL now I see why we
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don't do this in the beginning of anyway it's like the bat signal moving on okay what did you write down here about Amazon Andrew I think Adam probably
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knows the most about it but Amazon released its first colored Kindle is
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that a big deal yes okay they have four new Kindles actually one of them is the
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is the Kindle colorsoft I believe it's called Uh this is not the first colored e in tablet by any means but it's the
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first one that Kindle is doing okay yeah which is a big deal yeah $279 yeah and
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it just looks really nice I really like it like having is something that as a Kindle user you
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kind of get used to not having so like you're reading books you know it's text for the most part whatever but there are sometimes where you're reading a book
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and like they have a graph or something or like they have an image or even like in fantasy books at the very beginning
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there's like maps and it's like oh if this was in color that would be kind of cool I'm laughing cuz you said like you
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know maybe it has a graph like you don't come into work every single day with a thick fantasy book I was like there's no
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graphs in that well the also because if you read on the the subway people will think you're smart
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and cool and attractive but if you're using a Kindle people will be like I don't know people will leave me
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alone anyway make sure I have a question yes you read Comics right yes I do can
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you read comics on this in color now you can but I specifically read Comics via the Marvel unlimited app and I don't
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know if that is on Kindle let me suggest a something called the books Palama well
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imagine books color the books color go color go it's real it's real they make it it's a tablet
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that's in color there you go they should increase the resolution and the frame rate and maybe like and add a wireless
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CHP yeah so not sure if you can use Marvel unlimited but yeah I use the the actual Marvel app but anyway pretty cool
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to have color on Kindle finally it's been freaking forever yeah um then they released three other ones there's a new
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Kindle paper white which is just slightly larger one right yeah I actually don't know if it's the cheapest one I know it's the it's larger and it's
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the thinnest one it's s in um 7inch display now which is cool wow that
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because I have the Kindle paper white from like I don't even know how many years ago and it's still going but it is chugging along and apparently this one's
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like a lot faster which makes sense uh battery life is still crazy supposedly like months which makes sense for a
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black and white e in display the color one's eight weeks of battery life yeah that's also crazy and USBC the color one
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though it's a and wireless charging actually no way yeah why I say that for you does it have inductive charging with
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pins audio listeners I'm staring blankly at D to me that seems like a device that would have Pogo pins to charge yeah
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that's what I would assume but I I honestly don't know okay but yeah I meant to mention that specifically for you daveid because you're always yelling
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about wireless charging I love wireless charging yeah especially with a device like that like wireless charging is slow
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but if you know you charge at five Watts on a Kindle and you get another month of battery so that's crazy yeah uh it's
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also waterproof which is nice can confirm because I used to be like ah who cares if it's waterproof like I'm not
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reading this in the bath like they love to say like oh you're reading this in the bath like that's not where I read but I read in the shower yeah
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reader I actually do read in the shower really yeah with a Kindle no with
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my phone well oh I thought you were say wasn't have the new one yet with a book no just soed absolutely soaked book in
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the shower yes but this one's now waterproof and if you're ever like poolside very handy someone splashed me
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once when I was poolside and I was nervous that my Kindle was going to break but it didn't book wouldn't break
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actually it would it would break by getting wet yes yeah you're right I take it back it would actually break they
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also released the Kindle scribe gen which is oh gen two yeah it's reader and
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Note Taker I think it has like white bezels now which they're saying is better and 300 PPI yeah it's made to
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compete with the remarkable tablet sweet yeah I find it hilarious that like on their press release the first like
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feature they talk about is like all new white bezels and I was like okay so there's not much here I also thought
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most people didn't like like white bezels they I think they said it's so it looks more like the paper is expanding
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closer to the screen except it doesn't no it does not from that picture but it does have ai Su summarization your notes
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oh no it's like I just bought this book for $15 can you summarize it for
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me I think it's just for notes yeah it's just for notes just for notes it I had the same thought though $400 I bought
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this e-reader to not read Spark Notes machine y Spark Notes made an e-reader that would be fun
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that's exactly they should make a spark notes e-reader and all it does is summarize what you were going to read
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anyway do people still use Spark Notes I was going to ask that kid these days have any idea what we're talking about cheating so much easier now yeah you
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just asked Siri now whatever um well speaking of midsized devices with roughly 7even in screens
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me Apple also refreshed their uh midsize device with a 7in screen the iPad Mini
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got an update sort of it's also a pretty minor update um it has new colors and a new chip and it supports the apple
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pencil Pro cool I think that's it we'll do the ad break we'll come back there's really not much to say I
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mean I think what happens here is Apple knows they want to be able to support apple Intelligence on uh their whole
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range of devices and the old chip in the three-year-old I guess at this point IP
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2021 version would not really have worked so Parts spin they grabbed A7
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pros and they're putting them in with a slightly new color A7 Pro also means
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faster USBC faster Wi-Fi 6E uh and they also double the base storage thanks great that's always great for the same
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price same price yeah same price yeah that's good one of the first things they said in the like highlighted clips of
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why they did this was built for Apple intelligence so it's like very clearly literally yeah yeah I was going to say
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Adam as a iPad Mini owner since the first gener well the last generation
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came out what would you have liked to see in this two things one and Marquez
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is probably going to yell about this as soon as I say it a better display Blaze Two Face ID the touch ID is cool
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but I'm I'm over it at this point I want face ID especially because the way that I typically have and use my iPad like
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I'm not I'm holding it in portraits so my finger isn't up there all the time like in landscape it makes sense but in
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portrait I have to like continuously move my hand which is annoying and it's basically the same size as a giant
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freaking phone so like just give me a face IDE it does have big bezels too so relatively big yeah they could have fit
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the face Ed in the bezel I will Plus on both of those uh the displays had this
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weird jelly scrolling issue I don't know if people this is one of those things again like the display nerds we all see
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it and can't unsee it and then there's a whole population of people that's like what are you talking about I don't care I've never seen this same with promotion
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they're like I don't care but if you do look at these iPad minis they have essentially like a a lag between the
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left and right half of the display as you scroll they'd scroll at different slight just slightly different rates to
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where it would would be kind of weird to your eye called jelly scrolling we're hoping that that's fixed but it appears
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to be the exact same display the display driver may be different with the A7 Pro so we can we'll have to check it out
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we'll have to see I don't know if that's fixed but I I was hoping for like a totally new display like give me OLED
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give me 90 HZ this would never happen Apple would never do this but yeah um yeah it's still a liquid Crystal uh
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super Retina Display it's an LCD it's an LCD is the mini ever going to be a Pro
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device will it ever become an iPad Mini Pro so a higher end iPad mini is kind of a weird in between proposition that I
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guess kind of similar to the pro iPhone would actually probably sell the least even though it would be maybe the some
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people's favorite it's an interesting idea because generally people who buy small phones are a sort of power user
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people right that's the whole reason it sells in smaller SM diabolically people yeah I
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don't know maybe I'm wrong about that I could be wrong about that but to me it feels like the people who are always shouting I want small phones are like in
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the minority which to me also says they're more invested in the product which to me says they're more power users so if you're going to sell a
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smaller amount of iPad minis anyway because Mo most people buy the bigger screens why don't you just go all out and sell it for $5.99 because I would
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buy it at that price yeah I think that they I mean this is right up Apple's alley make a $500 iPad like this iPad
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Mini like this but also make a yeah $5.99 $6.49 iPad Mini Pro that has a
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nicer screen that has a higher end ship and that is more capable thinner bezels face ID and whatever and I would be into
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that totally but even smaller group than the regular iPad Mini so that might be why it doesn't exist but I would buy it
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yeah to be clear blue purple Starlight and gray I like the new blue color I will say they're pretty muted but I
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think it looks nice yeah I would I need to see it in person cuz often they are even more saturated on the internet than
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they are in real life and this is not very saturated if it is the same blue as the new iPhone 16 blue it's not it's not
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even close man yeah the iPhone 16 blue is like Ultra Marine Ultra Marine BL
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it's gorgeous isra BL aluminum that this isild is kind of aluminum that when you
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tilt it the shine kind of has some more blue if it's a blue sky outside then it
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looks Bluer it's like when you overexpose your photo and there's a little hint of blue in the sky but it's mostly white how many more blue jokes
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can we get I'm BW up a there we go beat me to it that's pretty much it for our
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midsize devices segment um we have a whole bunch more to talk about though there is a whole event David apparently
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has a lot of questions I was there I have all the answers what event all of the answers all of them every single
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answer I promise you that after the break but before we get that when will it
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ship it won't trivia time trivia dude okay first question how
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long until Marquez has to shave his head just kidding not the question okay so
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the Kindle finally has a color e Inc display it's only been how many years
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since the first Kindle oh man I remember this but I don't remember the year the
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first Kindle my sister bought the first one and I translated everything to an EB
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for oh me too yeah nice that's when Kindles were like all the rage yeah you're really really easy to access the
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memory on them and just steal things you know allegedly never owned a Kindle you've
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never you didn't even get the do you remember the Kindle Fire the like super cheap one that they were going to like lose money on they claim was pH it was
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an Android fire phone was the phone I had this is made by Kindle well okay I
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guess I did I guess I had a Kindle if I had that but I've never the Kindle Fire right yeah the Amazon Kindle Fire old
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one yeah it was a just an Android tablet yeah but it and like their whole thing was like it's super cheap and we're
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losing money on the hardware because you're going to buy so many things on Amazon with it and I had one well Amazon
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used to have the I don't want to look at when it was around the Amazon Mobile store and every week they had a new free
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app that was generally paid to try to and you had to download it off of the internet because you couldn't get it on
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the Play Store so it was a third party app store that they were like please use it please use I remember that and then I
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would follow Droid Life on RSS and every week there was a new free app and I'd be like oh yeah I'll try it it's like
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T-Mobile Tuesdays all right well we'll think about that the age of the Kindle the answers will be at the end like usual we'll be right
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that's M o.com all right welcome back so uh let's talk about this let's talk about this
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Tesla event question first yeah for Ellis oh right oh did you watch the
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iroot movie yeah yes wa you hadn't seen it before no I watched it for the first time this weekend to know to get the
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context now that you've seen it do you think it's a good idea for a tech company in 2024 to try to do the ex
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ulate it with their own event no we're continuing the trend did they
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watch the movie do not make the torture chamber well here's what actually
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happened so I I've made my video reaction to it and you guys can go watch it if you want but but as far as actual
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order of events it was a it was a night event it was in California we go out it's at like Universal Studios in this
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sort of a Warner Brothers right Warner Brothers yeah Studios um I grew up in that neighborhood so I know oh you grew
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up on the back lot of Warner Brothers I was actually a small little Gremlin werewolf who emerged every night to
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sneak on leftover Crumbs from Craft Services he grew up in the Cyber cab it
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was a cool um place to have an event I will say that uh essentially it's like
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an hour long we get three main announcements the first one is here is the robo cab it is the self-driving taxi
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it is a twodo hold on you just called it rooc cab because he kept calling it Robo taxi or cyber cab the entire time taxi
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cyber cab Robo cab cyber taxi whatever you want call is that what they're calling any of those names are probably
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fine uh because it won't exist anyway what yeah so it's a it's a twodo Tesla
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it's a two-seater it has no steering wheel no p its main goal is to be essentially a fleet operated vehicle it
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is aimed to be under $30,000 and coming out before 2027 and it will essentially
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self-drive everywhere all the time with minimal human almost no human input at all it has scissor doors that go up
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sideways it's wireless charging and uh it looks a bit like a baby cyber Tru
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then they moved on and also showed us a robo van I guess is what it was called
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which is OV sure um which was an up to 20 seater
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uh bus sized but uh iRobot army vehicle
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shaped Iron Man helmet yeah vehicle it's basically no windows by the way so you
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know how you go to CES and like in the car section you see a bunch of like future of mobility vans which are just
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like a bunch of seats facing the middle the first thing I thought of it's it's one of those it's one of those we see those all the time and then last but not
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least we got oh by the way no details on that no range no price no launch date nothing just like here's the thing we'll
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do vans sure 16 to 20 people great okay and then last but not least they rolled back out uh the Optimus robot as just to
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sort of remind us that we're an AI company we're doing a whole bunch with AI and these Optimus robots are making major strides and so as you wander
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around this event today getting rides in the robo taxi just note that the Optimus robot will also be wandering around
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serving drinks interacting telling jokes giving out snacks and is having a good time too uh and so that all also
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happened three very interesting things to all happen and you know the tone of the event I
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actually think was pretty interesting because it was very it's their most futur looking event ever because as you
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as you imagine a world where plausibly Robo taxis are are wandering around and never needing to park and just you know
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wireless charging in Fleet somewhere you need less parking lots the ically so now parking lots are parks and now there's
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these all these future you know interesting projections of cool things that the efficient and safer future
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could look like if all these cars are self-driving and never having any accidents like it's like public transit
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the IDE yes also like well public trans is interesting but still the idea of all
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this future stuff was really cool it was clouded though I think and I said this in the video by all these demos and
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promises that were uh not future not realistic and a
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little bit yeah just distracting I think is what happened I think the it started
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with the the main interesting controversy if you want to call it that was the Optimus robots that
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were walking around where you could walk up to one and it would say hi what's your name and you could talk to it and
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it would play Charades with you and you could take a picture with it and it would react and doing all these
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animations it would see you taking a picture and it would pose and then you could ask it questions and it would
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answer and it was very very clearly either it okay I'll put it I'll
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phrase it like this it was either definitely a human through a like
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a speaker or it was the greatest demonstration of Robotics and llms live
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and in person that the world has ever seen by a lot so up to you to decide what you
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think we saw Tesla never really confirmed anything but there were Tesla Engineers on the ground like walking
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around like talking to people so if you could get a hold of one of them you could talk to them and get as much information as you could out of them
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yeah many of them seem to confirm that oh yeah okay yeah that's a person that's talking to you or that there is some
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human assistance with the animations and walking and things like that but there is some on devised stuff happening as well notably the Tesla Engineers I
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talked to didn't say any of that which I thought was weird you just said they said like minimal human when I first
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asked them are all of the speech things happening on device they said yes all the lmms are happening on device all the
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LM and I talked to this robot in real time and it responded super fast like it usually did and I was just like okay I
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need to ask you again how much of what's happening is human assisted I need to
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know and they said some of it is human assisted but they wouldn't really tell me much more than that there's a guy on
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Twitter that said I talked to an engineer when it was walking that was autonomous but everything else was a
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person controlling it sure yeah and talking through the speakers yeah I
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think I think what I what I compared it most to was remember the Disney video
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with the like bipedal robots with the steam deck controller yeah it had all these cool animations that it could do
00:25:14
if you press the right button yeah and you could of course talk through a microphone but it would also blend those animations together and walk around and
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balance balance itself on its own I think that's roughly what's happening with these Optimus robots at this
00:25:26
particular event now again that's getting into the nitty-gritty details of how much is real how much is fake about
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the Optimus demo but if you zoom back out again it's like they're thinking this robot could someday be a human like
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friend like it lives you yeah like to quot Elon Musk it can do anything you
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want yeah that's an exact quote from the event it's pretty it's a far out idea
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it's very very futur looking and it's interesting to think about and can kind of twist that and turn that however you
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want like oh oh yeah I'd like it to do laundry for me oh yeah I'd like it to do chores for me people are imagining all
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these things with it but you know this one particular demo had all these these cloudy details about whether it was real
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or not which then cast out on the entire rest of the event how much of it was real or not is this Robo van ever going
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to ship is this self-driving demo that I did around like the Westworld thing in the robo taxi real or not like how much
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of that was actually self-driving we don't really know and maybe that's not even the point the
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point is still to be optimistic about a high-tech future but it is a public tech
00:26:35
company holding an event to launch a product so they did make promises and
00:26:41
lots of things that they were I'm sure hoping would juice the stock price and did not do you know who wasn't
00:26:46
optimistic about this event the stockhold that also did happen it used to if Tesla was the packet of juicero
00:26:54
and the cup was the stock falling down Fair so yeah I I came away from that
00:27:01
like feeling like I saw a lot of things learned a lot of things but also can't really uh take too much of it at face
00:27:08
value and I did eventually in the video say that I don't think this robotaxi so
00:27:13
the One Promise they made was this Robo taxi under $30,000 shipping before 2027
00:27:19
right I just don't believe that for a second and the reason I say I don't believe that for a second is because they've made many very aggressive price
00:27:25
and timeline promises before and they don't come true they maybe do come true
00:27:31
four five years later like the $35,000 model 3 came true temporarily way way
00:27:36
later temporarily but at least you can say you did it and the Cyber Tru they did say they were going to launch at a
00:27:42
base price of 39,000 something dollars that was going to be for the single motor based cybertruck yeah it's been 5
00:27:49
years since that announcement and you can't get one for anywhere near that I think at best is like a pre-order for
00:27:56
75,000 but if go straight to Tesla's website right now the like it's
00:28:02
$999,000 really unless you do the potential savings then it's like $95,000
00:28:08
what about the lower performance package for the Cyber truck there's a pre-order
00:28:13
like only version of that like if you had had it pre-ordered if you're configuring in the app right now but if you go to the website right now no so
00:28:20
the point is it's been 5 years and the $39,000 cyber truck is still an idea
00:28:25
right right so when Tesla says or when Elon gets on stage and says oh yeah before 2027 I'll have a $330,000 version
00:28:31
to me it's like maybe one day you will have a $30,000 version but there's just no way that's going to be the priority
00:28:37
they're going to ship the highest margin versions they possibly can first and it's a fleet vehicle maybe that's not 100 Grand maybe that's 50 Grand but I
00:28:44
just I am so confident that they will not hit that exact bet he I was confused
00:28:49
also by what he really thinks this is of whether it's a fleet vehicle or a personal vehicle cuz it's like you can
00:28:55
buy it and have it drive you but you also can buy a Fleet of it and have your own taxi business so I wasn't quite sure exactly
00:29:03
what he was saying there I mean maybe it is both and I it yeah why not it has
00:29:09
Fleet aspirations for sure I think when you cyber truck this is also true I will
00:29:14
say that the economics of like so again talking to some Tesla Engineers about trying to get details out of them about
00:29:20
this thing I'm like what's the range what's the battery size how much of this is even real what did you what did you
00:29:28
go to where you like talk no this I wanted to tell the story because it's so relevant I won't name the company okay I
00:29:33
was at CES yeah we were getting a demo of a product and I asked the product rep
00:29:39
I said hey how many watts is the power supply for this thing is it really chugging and the product rent looks me
00:29:46
dead in the eyes salesman smile turns to scowl and goes why would you ask that
00:29:51
this thing is not real it is never going to come out I mean CES is yeah it's all demos
00:29:58
yeah but wait so what so I went up to the Tesla engineers and started asking them specific questions like that yeah
00:30:05
wasn't sure if I was going to get that type of answer or if they have real answers turns out it's it's somewhere in
00:30:11
between there is still some internal debate about how some of these things will pan out this is clearly a concept
00:30:18
vehicle it won't be exactly like this yes I said what is going on with the gold paint on the wheel and he said the
00:30:24
gold sidewall that we'll see if that makes it to production right I said what's what's the range I said well we
00:30:31
don't have a number for that we are say holistically 200 miles so here's where it went they said holistically we're
00:30:38
aiming for this to be the most efficient possible electric vehicle we can build
00:30:43
low rolling resistance tires amazing Arrow like we're considering every angle and weight and detail to make it super
00:30:50
efficient and so we think 200 mil is probably a good range to aim for this
00:30:56
isn't like a road trip vehicle it's a taxi right so 200 mil is pretty good and we think we can get 52 m per kilowatt
00:31:04
hour out of this battery if we get to our efficiency goals so I'm doing the mental math I'm like that's a 40 Kow
00:31:10
hour battery that that's a much smaller than typical EV battery that's like a leaf siiz battery the leaf is a cheap
00:31:17
electric car I'm doing the math I'm like okay yeah I can see how you think you could make a $30,000 EV if you achieve
00:31:23
all these efficiency goals that you have in mind for this vehicle so it's not like this insane idea that it's going to be a cheap Fleet EV with a small battery
00:31:32
that doesn't really do road trips it doesn't even have a charge port it doesn't supercharge at all it doesn't
00:31:39
need any of the wiring or cooling though to support Tesla supercharging so that's a benefit for efficiency potentially
00:31:45
allegedly how allegedly like what do you remember what happened in the event when you said it's going to inductively
00:31:52
charge and then a video plate of a robot snake vacuuming the car and then he never said anything else the vacuum wait
00:31:59
all I could think of with that vacuum is like you have your Fleet of Robo taxis and then just like every Uber driver's
00:32:06
worst nightmar is that drunk person throws up and then the snake vacuum cleaner just I was like like cuz we had
00:32:14
that discussion last week and I was like oh okay inductive charging like I'm really like how let's see what he nope
00:32:19
just on through so many questions hit me with all of your questions I'll tell you
00:32:25
what answers I know to be true versus what I learned or think to be true okay so is this closer in size to a model 3
00:32:33
or like a smart car good question it's right in between it is significantly smaller than a model 3 but it's not a
00:32:40
smart car it's it's definitely so they move the driver position back yeah so
00:32:45
you have like real leg room got it but there is no back seats so that's trunk back there sorry
00:32:50
not passenger position you're stuck in the past man the front seat it was kind of weird sitting in the front seat where
00:32:57
the driver stuff should be and like I can't there's no pedals I'm like reaching for pedals there's nothing there didn't they say there was like
00:33:02
potentially going to be a way for cuz someone posed the question is there any manual takeover controls for I have to
00:33:10
engineer that and didn't he say there might be something that comes up on the screen I said what if I'm trying to
00:33:16
align it better on the wireless charger or I just want to do a quick little manual input and he's like you know
00:33:22
there may be some controls on the screen for you to adjust some things but we really don't plan to have any manual
00:33:30
override so if there's a humy v in the wrong lane coming head on at me you just
00:33:35
cross your fingers oh my gosh nice okay um if they expect people to own these
00:33:44
mhm they cannot go anywhere that is not mappable right so how mappable what do
00:33:51
you mean mapable like say you want to pick your kids up at school and queue in
00:33:57
line with other cars or you want to like I don't know like what how do you tell
00:34:02
it I want to go through the McDonald's drivethru instead of I want to be at in the McDonald's parking lot like how does
00:34:07
any of that work I will quote Elon on stage let's not get too nuanced um I really do think there's a
00:34:16
lot of edges to regular self-driving that I I guess will be promps on the
00:34:22
screen D like like when you go to pick up your kid at school for whatever so you put put in the school address let's
00:34:29
say in the GPS on the on the screen it it navigates to the school and then you
00:34:35
hit a button that opens it like pulls up next to the school and maybe there's a line there already so it gets in line or
00:34:41
maybe it it drives to the front of the line then realizes it's aign so it like like pulls over I don't know um I think
00:34:48
a lot of the edges are unknown and are not meant to be thought about yet I think when again this is us getting will
00:34:54
be thought about within the next year and a half solv in the right they have one other
00:35:00
big thing they need to think about which is regulations and the fact that they don't have he did mention a little at
00:35:06
the end like I forgot about that he threw out this like if we are allowed to comment kind of towards the end yeah you
00:35:14
have to get regulatory approval for level five self-driving you they had model 3's and model Ys driving around
00:35:19
the event as well in the exact same way with the robotaxi a a closed Backlot yes
00:35:26
implying but implying though cuz stage you know I think he said two states they had like permission to start
00:35:32
doing Texas and California yeah some testing of of full unsupervised self-driving cool um that's two states
00:35:39
in one country in the world that's like a very very early start and that will take a lot of good miles of no incidents
00:35:46
for it to continue to get permissions and approval uh in a much more meaningful way so yes regulations
00:35:53
unknown question we don't have the answers to that but that is also a barrier that they will solve in the next
00:35:58
year and a half okay another question yeah uh actually this is a multi-part question okay okay if it inductively
00:36:05
charges um one and it's supposed to also be run in cities yeah nobody in cities
00:36:11
owns like a place to charge their car no no no they're getting rid of parking
00:36:18
lots this is7 I get I know what he was trying to say Manhattan no and what please explain
00:36:25
what was he trying to say cuz I was I think his thing was like a sporting Arena where you would get dropped off at
00:36:31
won't need parking lots but then completely neglects the fact that all of these need wireless charging pads
00:36:37
somewhere and now we need to build other parking lots that I guess are in different areas and I don't know also
00:36:42
sporting arenas receive dozens of semi-truck loads like they need parking lots like like sorry like yeah yeah so
00:36:50
here's the dream sorry just other parking lot thing when he put up that graphic when he put it was also
00:36:57
like when it was like we don't need parking lots and then he showed building a park in the middle of an airport it
00:37:03
was like it was like who is like we need more green space we need we people need to go to Nature and relax right next to
00:37:10
an airport like what what are you talking that one didn't make any sense but it was very stunning visual um no
00:37:15
okay zoom out with me for a second here's the dream tell me if there's any flaws in logic with this dream 15 mm you
00:37:23
have a car yeah that you drive here to work how long does that take take you an hour an hour and 15 minutes yeah what
00:37:30
does your car do when you're here at work it sits sits there and does nothing right doesn't make me any money so
00:37:35
you're here for a couple a bunch of hours bummer then then what happens you drive home you get back in your car yes
00:37:41
it's available waiting for you where you left it you drive home you park it then then what happens then your car just
00:37:47
doesn't make you any money sits there in the street and doesn't do anything right s so in a world where your car is just
00:37:56
stay with me fully unsupervised self-driving capable uhhuh right it
00:38:02
would be plausible for it to once you're done and get to work it goes and picks
00:38:08
somebody up and is in Uber for them and just makes you a couple bucks here and there oh there's another one somebody
00:38:14
coming to the helipad for a tour okay it's just dropping people off here over and over and you're making money all day
00:38:20
and it knows when you leave work and so as soon as you go to leave work you walk outside it's right where you left it you get in and it it drives you home or
00:38:27
drive home and then it goes back out and continues earning your money as you're
00:38:32
sleeping is there any flaw in this charging Charing rest so yes the
00:38:39
charging question is if this is a fully self-driving car and it pulls up to a supercharger who's going to plug it in
00:38:45
nobody so they needed a solution one do you change every single supercharger that's the so do you change every Tesla
00:38:52
Supercharger to a a snake or do you have like an attendant plugging them in what is this
00:38:58
do you do inductive self-driving so that nobody has to maintain them charge 1% an
00:39:04
hour they seem to have chosen the inductive route I don't know if that's the most efficient version it's not it's
00:39:11
not I actually think paying someone to plug them in would be way better but hey here we are pay how about Optimus plugs
00:39:18
them in that's actually thing about that I think wait I have a question with the L Jersey that could work yes what is the
00:39:24
incentive to me for me to buy the car if it's if that's the case if it's already doing that pay itself so the car will
00:39:30
eventually pay for itself and start making you money is the incentive so to make money yes not because otherwise I
00:39:37
could just walk outside hop in any car that's driving by and go home yeah but then you have to pay money though they're in a perfect world where a car I
00:39:44
could just like take a nap on my hour commute that sounds fantastic yeah like I have no I don't want it to come up
00:39:50
there be like I hate the idea of like having to pay attention my whole commute
00:39:56
no I would much rather watch aov maybe I would actually watch Dune if that happened but there you go I there's just
00:40:03
so many other things wrong like that is not the part I'm hating on cool there are tons of people who would rather take a nap in their car than drive there's
00:40:11
just so many other things wrong with this every single thing that this addresses
00:40:17
is already addressed 50 times better by aing bus it's like which they also
00:40:24
made not and not really in America a bus currently at the some places in the city
00:40:31
yeah I in this city I take yeah in this city that's fair well the the lack of a
00:40:37
bus existing does not mean the technology of bus does not exist we just need to bring it to those places and
00:40:43
he's made sure to this point he's like it's going to be cheaper than a bus how you can fit a hundred people in
00:40:50
some city buses yeah and this is 30 this is two well no no when he did that that
00:40:56
was for right but still yes I agree I'm just making sure we have the right parts here
00:41:02
okay even still which by the way the robo van looks exactly like the evil Troop Carrier from high robot they did
00:41:10
this on purpose yeah definitely robot I'm not sure why they want to look like that who wants to wake
00:41:16
up in the morning and get in their car and find someone's Starbucks cup in there like oh yeah or puke yeah I think
00:41:23
the the the technology aside I don't like if you could say you could get a
00:41:29
model 3 or or a robo taxi and they're both capable of the exact same thing I
00:41:34
would personally prefer to own and not have my car do that I would prefer like
00:41:40
I can get in my car and my car drives itself and then it parks and then nobody else gets in my car cuz I prefer that
00:41:47
that's my own and I want to drive sometimes I want the steering wheel that's just me I just think I kind of
00:41:52
don't understand the idea of individuals owning individual ones I more understand
00:41:57
understand it in like say a taxi company decided that they were they have space
00:42:02
they have their own like there's a taxi parking lot right across the street from where I live there's like 30 taxis there
00:42:08
every night right so like if you had a bunch of inductive charging pads they could go out do their taxi thing
00:42:14
throughout the day and then they come back that makes sense yeah but like why
00:42:20
even pitch this as a thing that regular people can buy why not just say also your model 3 and model y will be able to
00:42:27
do this they did say it it was just like super like glossed over and they felt
00:42:33
very focused on these instead of like that the actual cars were going to do that I think a lot of people were into
00:42:39
the idea of your car making you money passively yeah kind of like remember like people just be like my car my my
00:42:46
computer like mines Bitcoin when it's not in use or whatever right like that person would love this cool yes I mean I
00:42:54
also like why why two seats um so I I think again we are getting
00:43:01
sort of caught in the details of it I think they could easily make a four person and a Sixers and a 10 person and
00:43:06
a 12 person version of this I think this one is a two-seater and I think a lot of people's first thought was I take cab
00:43:12
rides with three people all the time like this seems dumb but in the case of yeah having one or two people go
00:43:17
somewhere and they probably have some stat that some majority of Taxi rides are one person or something like that
00:43:23
fine uh I don't see any reason why they couldn't be a four-seater version of this Counterpoint Elon did say that most
00:43:29
people are going to want two Optimus buddies and all three of you cannot get in the Cyber capab wa he did he said
00:43:35
people want two optim he said people are going to want one probably two Optimus buddies why would you want two why did
00:43:41
he say anything he got I don't know yeah that's weird also a few other few other things we should think about one who's
00:43:47
going to decide how much a robo cyber Uber costs is does Tesla decide does the
00:43:52
owner of the cars decide good question that's a little scary number two do I have a ra if this thing yeah if this
00:43:58
thing hits someone who's liable are you liable for the your autonomous car that
00:44:03
you have no control over I think ino's uh currently parallel case it would be wh That's liable but nobody own owns the
00:44:12
I own the robo tax exactly so andw I don't think it matters who owns it if you're if I drive your car and I hit
00:44:17
someone I'm liable yeah but whoever's operating it operating yes they're they
00:44:23
are operating it they're operating the service right yeah there is a another
00:44:28
variable that I've talked about before self-driving cars which is there is the world we live in now and then there's
00:44:34
the perfect world that companies like Tesla are hoping will exist in X number of years where every car is self-driving
00:44:40
and every car is safer because of it and maybe they all communicate with each other blah blah whatever 80% in between
00:44:46
is this weird world where some cars are self-driving and some cars are driven by humans and it's actually really really
00:44:53
difficult to flip that ratio to get self-driving cars so good among regular
00:44:59
drivers that people actually understand that they're better because they continue to be not like good at driving
00:45:07
with Whos are really good Whos are really good but they we see videos all the time of like someone putting a cone
00:45:12
in the road and then it just panics and stops for a while or a bunch of them honking in a parking lot like just weird stuff where they're not as natural as
00:45:19
maybe good human drivers cuz I will say the average human driver trash oh yeah
00:45:24
trash let's be honest pretty bad so if you can say that the average self-driving car is better than the
00:45:31
average human then that's a good the ratio is going to be the biggest problem and this is why it is surprising to me
00:45:37
that weo has just started testing in New York City because San Francisco makes
00:45:42
sense cuz those streets are not that congested at all ever there's not that many people driving in New York in San
00:45:48
Francisco in New York City yeah I mean power to them CU there's going to be a lot of lawsuits and a lot of accidents
00:45:54
pretty soon situations self-driving car in New York is either a lot of accidents or a lot of
00:45:59
beeping yeah are already really good at beeping so or I'm saying like if I'm a self-driving car going through New York
00:46:06
this is if you've ever driven in New York you know what I'm talking about but like people just pop out into the road
00:46:12
all the time there's huge potholes there's insane construction like weird random pipes of hot air coming out of
00:46:18
the subway random stuff happening everywhere right if I'm a self-driving car I am either cruising through all of
00:46:24
that with near misses constantly and that looks insane or I'm driving so slow that is and I just piling up tax
00:46:33
D cut you off and then you can't react fast people are throwing cones at me yeah it's a it's a good time a good time
00:46:40
I have a hot take about this whole Tesla event yeah okay I think Tesla's too early for all of this I think that's a
00:46:46
very true like I think this this world they're trying to build I feel like is
00:46:51
going to be what happens eventually just not in like in in our lifetimes even yeah I feel like this whole event could
00:46:58
have happened with way less scrutiny if they just never threw out a date or anything or like just made it a party
00:47:05
just if it was just like a man the future seems cool we we made some like cool prototypes here like but then
00:47:12
throwing like this seems like 50 plus years distant future and they're saying
00:47:17
by 2027 this Robo taxi if they said like these are the concepts that we foresee
00:47:23
and these are the concepts that we are trying to build into our self drivve capabilities of our existing cars and
00:47:29
our Optimus robots and yes it's not running on its own software right now and it's kind of controlled and whatever
00:47:37
I think that that would at least get people excited about the way off future idealism of that Tesla's trying to build
00:47:44
but Elon even said like I'm usually pretty uh liberal about about delivery
00:47:51
dates sure he did not say that well he didn't say okay he said optimistic optimistic correct yes um anyway yeah
00:47:59
it's just why why and like clearly the the market responded to that it could
00:48:04
have been yeah it could have been a really sick party where they didn't try and I I know no one's going to say that
00:48:11
they like tried to trick everyone but there are plenty of people who were tricked I saw tons of videos of people
00:48:17
being like I can't believe I'm talking to a robot right now and then everyone in the Tik Tok comments were like bro
00:48:23
that's not a robot or like that's a person I suppose it all kind of depends on what
00:48:29
your goal is with this event if you're Tesla you're like trying to decide what am I actually trying to accomplish by
00:48:36
hosting this event if your goal is to get the public excited about Tesla's
00:48:42
vision of the future that's one thing if your goal is also to appear as a leader
00:48:48
in this like driving for like very aggressive leader and disruptor in a lot of this Ai and self-driving stuff that's
00:48:54
almost kind of a separate set of things you need to do I would have almost preferred them to do kind of what meta
00:49:00
did I was just they announced the Orion glasses and they said look this isn't
00:49:06
ready but this is the amazing set of tech that we've built and we think that if we iterate on this a little bit more
00:49:12
maybe in two three more iterations this can be ready for the public so this this thing I'm about to show you right now
00:49:18
it's not ready but it is the most advanced thing anyone's ever made and look how that worked out for them and that worked out great because nobody's
00:49:25
asking about price nobody's asking about about release date nobody's asking when can I buy this thing all the people who are excited about it are like damn I bet
00:49:32
nobody else has prototypes this good everyone else who's pessimistic about it can go ha that's never coming out and
00:49:38
maybe they're right it's not going to come out for a long time but they never said this one would come out it's some future version that will come out I
00:49:44
would have been totally happy me personally if Tesla was like look this
00:49:49
is the future we imagine it's amazing it's so far off but we are clearly the leaders on our way there and here's a
00:49:56
little glimpse of some of the stuff we've been building that we think is the best anyone's ever
00:50:01
made and I wonder if the Tesla obsessives who have been sold the
00:50:06
self-driving dream for existing Tesla cars would have rejected that because they believe that the cars are already
00:50:12
fully capable of everything but they're not I don't think they would have had to reject it they could have they could have just lived in a world where they do
00:50:18
think it's coming soon but then Tesla never would have had to say it is the Tesla dream is like my car already has
00:50:25
all the hardware it needs I mean this is Elon said this year after year for like 10 years or whatever but like it's
00:50:30
Hardware complete like future complete it's built just needs regulation like it can already drive itself it's totally fine and many people are like yep yeah
00:50:36
my car that I own right now should be able to drive itself with no one behind the steering wheel and that's Up For
00:50:43
Debate but if you show a robo taxi that just does the same thing that the existing car already does it doesn't
00:50:49
feel like some new Advanced amazing Tech it's just another concept car yeah so that's that's the only difference but I
00:50:54
still feel like yeah Tesla could have pulled a meta and probably just been a little more yeah uh this is what we've
00:50:59
been working on it's also just that if say this this Robo taxi does come out for it's cyber cab I don't know whatever
00:51:06
it say it does come out for 30 grand and the model 3 like especially used is like 20 grand right now um I would pay more
00:51:14
money to have a car that has a steering wheel that most of the time will drive me autonomously completely but when I
00:51:21
need the steering wheel I can use the steering wheel MH like I would prefer that over thing that only has two seats
00:51:28
that charges way slower that can't really do road trips yeah this can't do road trips at all right it can only
00:51:35
designed to it can only work in cities nobody in cities lives in a house that has like a parking area where they can
00:51:42
actually inductively charge this thing I mean 200 if it were 200 miles that would let's say I bought it and had the
00:51:49
wireless pad in my garage that still could get me to and from work problem you need it in your garage what you
00:51:55
wouldn't even need it in your garage trying but in that scenario it would be fine if I had the wireless charging pad
00:52:01
it still could get me and I don't live in the city it could get me to and from work no problem a whole lot of copper in
00:52:07
that wireless charging pad that thing's going to go quick yeah anyway I don't know yeah I I agree with you it's just
00:52:13
very it's just very weird I don't know it seems like a stock pumping thing that didn't work out um can you explain the
00:52:22
robon yeah and wait can I can I have a question before that sure why are we calling it Roven and
00:52:29
robotaxi I don't I don't know robotx I guess that's cuz what roboty it sounded
00:52:35
like something he thought of that as like a joke but then never actually called it I guess he said or you could
00:52:41
call it Robo van I don't know oh yeah ien I don't think it matters what we call it it doesn't yeah it looks like
00:52:49
the Tony Stark Iron Man helmet and also the War uh vehicle for my my robot sure
00:52:55
so in the same way that the robo taxi is imagine a model 3 but take out the
00:53:01
steering wheel and pedals and take out the back seats and now it's a robo taxi
00:53:06
this is imagine a sprinter van but take out the steering wheel and pedals and
00:53:11
turn all the seats towards the middle and at that point who needs a front and a back it's just a little little pod
00:53:17
that rolls around through the streets they went a little crazy with the design it's got like no clearance you can't even see the wheels like I don't think
00:53:23
we expect it to look like this at all totally but yeah that's there's no details wait his the way he announced it
00:53:29
was this is Roven it's uh it's going to look like that he said like that's how
00:53:36
he opened it no future should look like this or something he said the future should look
00:53:41
like the future and he also said picture this thing coming towards you wouldn't that be sick I would be terrified there going be
00:53:49
a bunch of optim machine guns coming out of it like that's not what I want what
00:53:54
what what what happens if you need a vehicle that uh is bigger than a model
00:54:00
y the the Roven the ren is uh this is we're going
00:54:07
to make this it's going to look like that why does it going said we going to make this and it's going to look like
00:54:14
that it sounds like he didn't see the slides before the presentation and it rolls out he like oh wait wait and then
00:54:21
when he goes full Rick and Morty can you imagine going down the streets and you see this coming to War Two
00:54:27
that be sick that's pretty much all he said about it right that's all the details
00:54:32
but he said we are going to make this and it's going to look like this that's just what he just said that those are
00:54:37
the [Music] specs
00:54:45
spe it's going to look like this you just what what I'm convinced that what
00:54:51
he says on stage isn't real if like I think he's just going with the flow and trying to on a show there there's no way
00:54:58
that this is like a thing he preemptively thought I mean he had slides on in front of him on like a
00:55:03
little screen but they look pretty think about it this way if this was any other
00:55:09
company picture name a random car company Honda if Honda rolled this out
00:55:16
and their CEO said we're gonna make this and it's going to look like this what
00:55:21
would your honest thoughts be no you won't bet really that's see has think
00:55:27
about Tesla though that's totally fair okay I had a lot of people point to the cybertruck for this they were like look everyone said the cybertruck would never
00:55:33
come out everyone said the cybertruck was too crazy too radical and look at it now it's out and it looks just like the
00:55:40
that's fair and that's a totally fair point that I do recall being one of the people who was like I don't see why the
00:55:45
Cyber track won't come out it's pointy yes but they'll get there and it came out I think the main thing was it the original one had no mirrors and no door
00:55:52
there are some small details that are different totally fine it has door handles exactly that's like the motto of this
00:55:59
event um but it the Cyber truck does come out so now you see literally anything else Tesla makes and you it's
00:56:06
like um it's like when people defend anything Apple does because the iPhone was expensive we're like well the iPhone
00:56:12
was expensive and that worked out so now this new expensive thing right it could it's probably going to work out yeah and
00:56:17
I don't know if that logic works with everything that they announc I think you can look at something crazy that this
00:56:23
company that made the cybertruck makes and go that's more more extreme than the Cyber truck I don't think this is going
00:56:28
to come out anytime soon do you know what's less extreme than the Cyber truck what the Tesla
00:56:34
Roadster true and that's we already know that's not coming out how they announced it because they've already reann anced
00:56:41
it in a different way yeah announced the new announcement 2017 so now it's seven years now seven
00:56:48
years later they didn't even mention that at the event of course they actually had a bunch of uh they had like this whole setup with a bunch of other
00:56:54
stuff they had model X's Model S's and other cars out I didn't see any roadsters at all really it's like a just
00:57:02
swept that under the rug whatever they I don't know I I feel like Tesla has a branding problem right now because the
00:57:08
model the model 3 and the Y especially are just starting to look a little old
00:57:13
in the tooth just because they've been around for so long and have model 3 refresh looks pretty I it looks better I
00:57:20
think what David's saying is it's like there's they don't have their new flashy thing right now they're not when when people not a lot of people
00:57:27
when like the s's were out they looked like really cool like very Sports carry
00:57:33
and I feel like it would help them a lot to release the Roadster just from a like
00:57:40
branding perspective to have a halo car you yeah because they don't really have I guess the Cyber truck is a halo car
00:57:46
now but it's so divisive that it's not like it's hard to look at the Roadster and say that looks dumb yeah I think a
00:57:53
halo car is typically super small volume and super expensive and not
00:57:59
mass-produced and really well-liked in general which they could do with their like every every car company has
00:58:04
something like that like even if it's just a totally random like Toyota they might have a super I mean the super is
00:58:11
not a super car but they might have a crazy super high-end car that you're like oh I would never buy that but that's cool that they made that like
00:58:17
that Lexus LFA existed the century the Toyota Cur so if if if every car company
00:58:24
that tries to sell you a car has some Halo that you're never going to buy but you're like oh it's taking some tech
00:58:29
from that thing yeah the Roadster feels like it could be that for Tesla but it's so low priority for them that they will
00:58:36
literally announce a 16 passenger self-driving van before sh IR helmet that looks like n robot military van so
00:58:44
yeah cool look we all know Elon has a lot of crazy stuff a judge in California
00:58:50
recently said that he can you know say whatever he wants and and it's whatever like the thing he said at the end of the
00:58:57
Optimus and I have the exact quote and we don't even need to talk about it I just feel like it needs to be said that
00:59:02
he got on stage and said this the Optimus section Optimus robots and he
00:59:09
said they but he was referring to Optimus robots Optimus robots will be producing products and services I
00:59:15
predict actually provided we address the risks risks of digital super intelligence 80% probability of good a
00:59:22
good outcome look on the bright side the cup is 80% full the cost of products and services will decline dramatically and
00:59:29
basically anyone will be able to have any products and services they want it
00:59:34
will be an age of abundance the likes of which people have not almost no one has
00:59:40
envisioned it will be something special is that a genie we don't need to we don't need to talk about it I think we
00:59:46
should all just sit with it we should all just go to bed tonight and just remember that Elon said that the 80% is
00:59:52
like ringing in my head right now I think that he tends to do this thing where he just throws things at the wall
00:59:58
that seem Way Out Of Reach and sometimes they worked like the SpaceX rocket that we're about to talk about like that kind
01:00:04
of stuff yeah awesome incredible and I feel like Tesla was like that near the beginning of the company when he was
01:00:11
growing at the beginning and then for some reason they just made this hard turn towards iRobot Utopia right you
01:00:21
Utopia not me Topia you toia a lot of companies have kind of L become a little
01:00:26
bit victim to this like looking too far ahead because of all the AI promises they have to make and this is like the
01:00:32
most extreme example like we talking about Apple a couple weeks ago Apple's always like pretty lock step like here's
01:00:37
the product now it's shipping here's the product now it's shipping now this AI age in 2024 Suddenly It's here's this
01:00:43
new iPhone built from the grind up with apple Intelligence coming later maybe also Mar
01:00:50
you're right Apple does the the sort of other thing that they're doing here where oh someone's about to start controlling my mouse I just got the
01:00:55
track connected anyway uh Apple did the other do you remember the launch of the original the first Apple watch Ultra
01:01:03
when the pitch was just sort of like the world is dangerous you will die and your watch will save you you know it's like
01:01:10
but like yes you're right this is Utopia is so much more extreme that I've ever seen one of these companies do yeah so
01:01:16
it feels to me like the more AI focused a company actually is the more extreme
01:01:22
and far out they have to project to feel like a leader in the space if you're
01:01:28
Apple you've never been expected to Project Crazy AI stuff if you're a Silicon Valley AI startup you got to go
01:01:35
pretty hard if you're Google you got to go pretty hard if you're Tesla and
01:01:41
you're tell you're talking about AI self-driving AI like full vision like autonomous robots walking around and you
01:01:47
need to project further than the autonomous humanoid robot you already showed two years ago you got to go so
01:01:53
hard so far that's because like people like C out here saying AI is a more
01:01:58
important invention than fire so when you when you are saying those things to
01:02:05
Nei on decoder so you know when you're making
01:02:10
these statements you have to like you kind of have to try to live up to and the other
01:02:16
thing is that AI so far we are being told is greater than fire but we have
01:02:21
not seen almost any benefits from it like outside of like what we already had
01:02:27
from you kid me I erase backgrounds of photos all the time yeah I was going to say like we've you know we already had
01:02:33
machine learning stuff that was doing that stuff no there's this new this new wave that may be a bubble may not be a
01:02:39
bubble of AI has not yet produced really much like there is some
01:02:45
interesting stuff there's some voice cloning stuff Fringe stuff there's Fringe stuff use I for audio stuff it's
01:02:52
great sure you know what I mean I at MoMA there's a kind of interesting
01:02:57
kind of interesting AI AR EXs of it right now like there's some there's been disease detection
01:03:03
there consumer based is pretty lowkey right now but I just think there's so much money being put into artificial
01:03:10
intelligence as a as a category and consumers are not really
01:03:16
seeing the benefits of it yet that these companies have to keep saying like just
01:03:21
wait it's just in a couple of years the world is going to look totally different can I before we we got to move on to
01:03:28
this St but just I just just one because we are talking about this and it made me realize and this company is a sponsor of
01:03:34
the show they did not approve this message in any way where's anthropic in all of this like while all these Google
01:03:40
and like Tesla everyone's like ra AI is going to like rip your current life to shreds and Elevate you to the Next One
01:03:47
Like a Phoenix and anthrop like Claude can like read some of your emails if you want like yeah the their CEO did just
01:03:53
did just write like a Manifesto about the future of AI this weekend have it I
01:03:59
I just keep seeing like I'm a product company and AI is clearly like this
01:04:04
Title Wave that's going to hit everything so I need to turn AI into a product yes and so AI has had AI has had
01:04:11
incredible advancements in things like like Disease Control or whatever like all these other things that we've seen
01:04:17
optimizing things in in all sorts of manufacturing and farming Etc but if I
01:04:22
am Tesla apple or whatever I make products they feel the need to like okay I got to package this into a product and
01:04:29
sell it and that's when you start getting the most extreme weird far- fetching not ready yet versions of
01:04:36
products so that's where we're at we're trying to like analyze if they're good products or not they're not done yet we
01:04:41
we have talked and this is the last thing I promise this is like the fifth time we've said this I promise we we
01:04:47
have like talked about before how it's insane that Apple's marketing is like the first phone built up like ground up
01:04:53
for Apple Intelligence on the 16 I literally saw an ad on because I was like I don't know there was a football
01:04:59
thing happening at the wedding that I was at the other night and like they had an ad where it was an Apple ad and there
01:05:05
was a person that like grabbed their iPhone they're like yeah apple Intelligence on the iPhone 16 is pretty cool and like they just showed him and
01:05:13
he was saying it's cool and it's like but you if unless you use a beta you can't use it at all yeah I've never
01:05:22
that's insane like he didn't have apple intelligence well he didn't it didn't show you can't the person watching that
01:05:28
can't go it didn't show the phone it was just a guy that was like is that the new 16 he's like dude yeah apple Intelligence on the new iPhone 16's
01:05:34
really really awesome and I was just like but it's not out and you're telling people to buy the phone now but it's not
01:05:42
it's I don't know anyway I just I just I just thought that was crazy that they were actually leaning into the this
01:05:49
phone has Apple intelligence when it does not I think we already live in an age of abundance guys that's true we
01:05:55
truly live in an age of Wonder you would like to live in an abundance of rockets trivia questions what about the Rockets
01:06:02
okay I'll do really really quick yeah we've tried to talk about space stuff on here before but we generally have no idea what we're talking about but SpaceX
01:06:09
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01:06:20
event and then five this amazing oh you want to do it after
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01:07:03
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at the end let's hear it a Sri Lanka B
01:07:15
Cyprus C Finland or D
01:07:21
Mexico Taco Bell in Mex they just called that
01:07:26
American food does not have a Taco Bell three of these countries you can get a crunch WAP
01:07:32
Supreme one of them you're sure they all sell crunch trap Supremes I will double check the menu you can definitely I'm oh
01:07:40
no I'm not so sure okay the question is Taco Bell though yeah which which one
01:07:45
does not have a single Taco Bell location currently they could have historically had Taco Bells and not and
01:07:51
not stuck okay wow cool this was a pure guest from me I remember but you uh yeah we'll think about that a
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right welcome back all right we've talked a lot about far off future software not yet
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delivered products that consumers may eventually get their hands on someday let's talk about something that's happening right now which is
01:11:39
advancements in Rockets okay just to put it in context
01:11:44
you guys have heard the Spiel before probably but if anyone's not been paying attention Rockets have been single use
01:11:49
for forever and they're really really big and really expensive and you launch a rocket and drops down into the ocean
01:11:55
and and that's it you don't get to use a booster anymore you got to build another one right so SpaceX was built around
01:12:00
this idea of reusing rocket boosters totally cool idea but how do you reuse a
01:12:06
rocket if it lands in the ocean well you land it somewhere after it launches and
01:12:12
then use it again you refurbish it fill it back up with fuel and send it back to space again dramatically reducing the
01:12:17
cost per launch of sending things into space incredible idea but like engineering wise that sounds crazy and
01:12:24
then we started to see them actually pull this off they started doing tests they started doing test launches of like
01:12:30
just a rocket booster flying up into space and then lowering itself back down to the launch pad and that was
01:12:35
incredible it was on a pad in the ocean yeah first from the pad in the ocean not even into space a few hundred feet
01:12:41
coming back down Landing sorry just to correct it launched from the launch pad and landed on the pad in the ocean oh
01:12:47
before all of that before all of that just launching from the ground up a few hundred feet and then coming back down
01:12:54
just that amazing we've never seen that before holy they did it then they started
01:13:00
launching higher and coming back down and Ling lining in the same spot but of course Rockets scale goes hard so if you
01:13:08
go really really high up the Earth literally rotates underneath you you can't land in the same spot so they
01:13:13
would land on a different location from where they took off and it would be like
01:13:18
a a launching pad in the middle of the ocean it would land and it would actually work and they kept getting further and further and more and more
01:13:24
impressive and they seem to have gotten incredibly good at this because the latest version
01:13:30
of this which we've just witnessed was I want to say the biggest rocket ever so 200 feet
01:13:36
tall that's a building sized rocket that's 20 story building so wherever you
01:13:42
live right now look outside and see if you can find the nearest 20 story building and imagine
01:13:49
that taking off flying up into space
01:13:54
getting some cargo into orbit and then lowering itself back down to the same
01:14:00
Launchpad where it took off where it got caught by the tower that it took off from so it literally had these giant
01:14:07
arms that just closed in and caught the rocket yeah the rocket is 200t tall yeah
01:14:13
this is the coolest thing I've ever seen I wish I actually saw it in person with my eyes I have it's been a long time since I've watched this u a rocket
01:14:20
launch in person but this might be the coolest damn thing ever I would have loved to see it in
01:14:25
just see the video like on the timeline had my jaw the floor don't I they can't do a Justice
01:14:31
either cuz you can't there's no scale so you're seeing this oh it's a rocket shaped thing coming back down but then
01:14:37
you see like the cell phone videos of people who are like maybe a few hundred miles away and you can see this like
01:14:42
building falling out of the sky with like rockets coming out of it it's kind of sick yeah so I'm sure I got some of
01:14:48
the details wrong on like the progression of like how they launch these rockets and land them but dude they're Landing rockets in giant
01:14:55
tweezers one of my favorite thing about this is that the tweezers close on it but it just has these little two like
01:15:02
crab leg like Lynch pin things that are barely jutting out of the two 20 story
01:15:08
building that hold the whole thing up it like slowly lands on on the tweezers as
01:15:14
the tweezers close so originally it was supposed to be landing on its own legs which I think is that what the Falcon 9
01:15:21
one did in the ocean but I guess they just decided B that it's easier to put those are
01:15:28
specific load bearing points just to catch it which is the points were very small and it held up small and the
01:15:34
rotation has to be correct right cuz it comes in from the side so if you're going parallel with
01:15:41
that yeah what's what's a 20 story 200 foot math is crazy what is a what is a
01:15:47
nice math goes how tall is the Eiffel Tower 1,000 feet tall okay that's a
01:15:53
little tall the Statue of Liberty imagine the Statue of Liberty actually
01:15:58
that would be so sick wait really imagine the Statue of Liberty just blowing off into space stat Liberty is
01:16:04
300 ft tall with the top of the torch so like Lady Liberty herself is probably 200t tall imagine the entire Lady
01:16:11
Liberty flying back through this was it Starship no but then you have to catch arms like this T well no no
01:16:18
Starship is 165 feet tall the booster that it caught is 230 feet tall oh yeah
01:16:24
yeah oh the stage that fell back down dang cuz Starship still went I believe in this launch around the Earth's
01:16:30
atmosphere and landed in the Indian Ocean so the total height is like 365 I
01:16:38
don't know what the total height is cuz I don't know I don't think it's directly on top of each other oh 400 feet yeah
01:16:43
Starship total is 400 feet payLo is the yeah everything combined is is like some
01:16:49
insane massive thing but just the rocket booster was 200t tall wow you know what's crazy about this too like imagine
01:16:55
that 200 like Lady Liberty launching her into space you know how much like fuel you need to do that to just get that
01:17:01
thing out into orbit and then imagine that falling down and needing to also
01:17:06
still have fuel left over to like push it to slow it down to slow it down like that's a that's and I know I know
01:17:13
nothing really nothing about rocket science but I in some of the books I've
01:17:18
or Audi books we're experts actually in some of the audio books I've heard it's just it obviously is an insane sence
01:17:25
experiment but all the things that can go wrong usually end in all of the evidence being exploded which is a
01:17:31
unique challenge like you ever think about I don't know you fail at something and you can sort of imag you can look at
01:17:37
what you did and see okay I was putting a puzzle together this piece didn't fit so I could pull it out and pull it back together but in rocket science yeah
01:17:44
it'll be like oh we realized that the fuel was sloshing too much as it changed directions and that's why the whole
01:17:50
thing exploded so now we'll put it back together but like change the angles of some of the like fins inside the fuel
01:17:56
tank so it doesn't slash as much when it goes back down yeah and they'll figure that out from the like remains on the
01:18:01
ground rocket like this is insane crime scene so the fact that it all worked out
01:18:07
and that's that was the first try for this rocket for this boo yeah which is wild already a pretty good I not know
01:18:12
that was the first TR yeah it was the first TR CRA um this impressed every
01:18:17
single person on the planet except for Shia Twain wait okay who's that I need
01:18:22
to know this this is now the most interesting part of it why oh damn it CU that don't impress her
01:18:28
so you're a rocket scientist that don't impress me so much I thought she
01:18:34
actually commented on it so you've got the brains but do you have the touch Andrew oh wa I see I see I think you're
01:18:41
all right I have I have a question I have a question for you guys about this so like it it probably takes like what
01:18:47
like two hours an hour to go all 15 minutes how long does it take to go all the way around I think it was 45 minutes 45 minutes okay so it takes this
01:18:53
specific one it takes 45 minutes you know to go up around the world land back down right that gives you another 23
01:18:59
hours and 15 minutes where your rocket could be making you m the thing is it is self-driving that's
01:19:08
true selfing self full self driving and there was a point in time in which Elon
01:19:14
said that you would be able to get to China in like 40 minutes on a rocket
01:19:19
like this I he did say this you don't have to productize everything let's not get nuan let's not
01:19:25
but yeah but all this to say congrats to everyone at SpaceX cuz this was freaking
01:19:30
incredible it was wild to watch yeah yeah it was so cool to watch and I recommend watching it on YouTube and
01:19:37
thank you to Scott Manley in 2013 for coming up with this idea and that's a reference six people will get and I love
01:19:43
you for it none of those people are in this room they are they are because every time I mentioned kbal Space
01:19:50
Program I like did this happen in cbal Space Program one of like the original like super legendary Kerbal Space
01:19:56
Program Let's Plays was like this 200 part Series where he wouldn't let a
01:20:03
single part get destroyed like every single part had to get returned to Earth
01:20:08
um and then like eventually the Rockets did become reusable where like he never actually like loaded them back into the game he would just load a fuel truck
01:20:15
that he designed to like so very cool last you know what else starts with the
01:20:20
same letter is awesome animatronics oh Adobe okay got it so Adobe okay every
01:20:27
year Adobe has a conference called Adobe Max it's basically their little conference where they show off all the
01:20:33
new updates to all their creative apps I was there last year um that's where they introduced the whole content credentials
01:20:39
thing and a bunch of other stuff which we made a video about on the studio Channel um now Adobe is definitely an AI
01:20:47
company yeah cuz every update they make now is an AI update they're all in um I
01:20:53
do want to say there was something interesting um they let's see this is
01:20:59
quoting directly from The Verge it's an article it's like a mini article Adobe looks to a new era for generative AI
01:21:05
after joking about AI being a drinking game trigger at Max adobe's cheap product officer said the company is
01:21:11
moving away from the prompt era of the tech which cheapened and undermined the craft of creative professionals by
01:21:18
generating things from text descriptions um which is interesting because a lot of these things are text
01:21:23
based uh updates but okay if this is
01:21:29
true if they're actually moving away from the like type something into a text box and generate it because nobody
01:21:36
really wants that like some people do but it's not it's a cool demo what we yeah the coolest things I think that
01:21:43
they showed off at Max were things that were kind of just magic behind the scenes AI updates that made a lot of
01:21:50
things easier to do that people like creative professionals already want to do yeah um so we can either go through all
01:21:58
the updates from each platform or we can just go through some of the interesting
01:22:04
gen stuff I mean I'll I'll highlight the one thing I saw which is on on my Twitter timeline I or I think someone
01:22:10
put in slack there's a video of a compositing tool that's like built into Photoshop so we keep talking about how
01:22:16
the barrier for entry for a lot of these tools gets just a little bit lower with each of them like oh you click a button on your phone and you can erase the
01:22:22
background of a photo this one was like fullon yeah compositing heavy editing but built
01:22:28
into Photoshop so you need to have Photoshop and know how to use it but the tool was like I dragged a PNG of me into
01:22:35
this background image of a table and I hit remove background and it just perfectly removes the background and
01:22:40
then I hit I forgot what the button's name was it was like synthesize or something yeah something like that
01:22:45
harmonize harmonize it said harmonize she hit the harmonize button and the harmonized button did all of the work of
01:22:53
matching two different Imes in a compositing effect which takes typically a lot of work uh matching lighting
01:23:00
matching exposure matching color and just Blended the two pgs together so that it looked like the subject was in
01:23:05
the background and she did that with a couple of different objects until she created a scene and then the scene was
01:23:10
just formed out of thin air so it wasn't a real image it was just something she made with this harmonized tool and that
01:23:17
felt like stuff I've seen from some of the more AI forward editors not from
01:23:22
Photoshop so you can tell Adobe turning the page and like really embracing okay
01:23:27
seems like our users actually want to use this stuff let's give them the best we can very impressive because it
01:23:34
understands the lighting it understands like the spacing of things and it casts
01:23:39
Shadows um in the example she puts herself in the scene with her boyfriend that lives across the world and she uses
01:23:46
a picture of her which has like different kinds of lighting on her face because it's a photo of her like in front of I don't know some sort of
01:23:53
blinds or something M and it completely gets rid of all those shadows and makes it so it looks like they have the same
01:23:58
lighting SCE on them very cool I need toe that this is uh project Perfect Blend and their projects are not yet
01:24:06
available and not yet ready or going to be available in the near future oh like meta yeah but yeah this is like during
01:24:13
their sneaks event where they basically say this is technology we're working on we will probably have this within the next couple of years ah no firm release
01:24:20
date yes but but Adobe does generally ship this stuff within like a year or two after they show it off which is
01:24:27
quite cool they also had another um interesting AI thing that Ellis got very excited about that was an audio
01:24:34
generation can I do one more Photoshop one before we get to sure yeah um this
01:24:39
is just more because it's kind of a reference to something we talk about all the time on the Pod here but there's one
01:24:44
called find distractions which in this video that they show it's essentially a
01:24:50
photo of that's San Francisco right yeah San Francisco of all the houses but there's a ton of power lines in the way
01:24:57
and it can find the power lines and remove all of them without having to select you just click find distractions it finds them and masks over all of them
01:25:04
and it feels so much like the chain link fence from Google iio from years ago so
01:25:11
I thought that was pretty awesome especially since you don't have to select each like each one but cool sorry
01:25:16
they're actually able to do that that would be awesome MH um yes okay so the other like big AI thing that they had
01:25:23
was a audio one where you were able to basically it was like an animation tool
01:25:29
and they had these animations of these uh dinic right that's what you're talking about yeah yeah so they had
01:25:34
these animations of these like dinosaurs and they wanted to produce these Roars for them and so the idea is like you can
01:25:41
sort of generate a sound based on a text prompt and a uh vocal input so the guy
01:25:47
on stage goes ra ra the idea is that it takes like the intonation and the
01:25:53
intensity and all of the things that you are voicing and then it generates a
01:25:59
sound based on a text input so he said like dinosaur roar or something and it
01:26:04
created a very um very cool dinosaur roar is that what that's what you were
01:26:10
excited about right yeah I think so yeah cuz you said you'd be in the audio room Pew peing a lot yeah I mean there's
01:26:16
definitely like certain like when you're sound designing it can be you can have a sound in your
01:26:22
head and then it it can be like I actually don't know what that sound is like one of the hardest ones for me was
01:26:27
like the Apple Vision Pro cinematic inro the shot of the band tightening like
01:26:34
that's essentially silent you know so like what what and like I had allting I
01:26:39
heard like ratcheting and like fabric rubbing on each other but it's like what what actually like what do you search
01:26:46
for that you know and so um yeah so it' be easy to just go
01:26:52
like um so but I will I get will I get it is this a thing uh oh this is also
01:26:59
one are they going to make this and will it look like that probably in a couple years yeah I thought that was kind of funny you clearly you guys didn't yes it
01:27:08
will look like that oh I see by 202 you're going to there yes maybe I don't cost $30,000 yeah hopefully yeah
01:27:16
definitely um Adobe if you want to I would like to play in Premiere they now have
01:27:23
generative which is where you can extend a clip either from the beginning or end by up
01:27:29
to 2 seconds oh um unfortunately it can only do 1080p at 24 FPS for now for now
01:27:37
um interesting I guess this could be useful if you just have like if you walk out of
01:27:44
the room and there's like a plant moving and it just makes it continue to move if you just need slightly more b-roll or
01:27:49
something this is good for all those people on camera who like to cut IM immediately after the action happens
01:27:56
yeah which is way too many people but yeah yeah yeah is this available right
01:28:01
now this is this one is available this is available right now I think Mariah was messing around the other day yeah um
01:28:08
they have image to video on web where you can use text prompts with a source image to make b-roll from photos which
01:28:16
is interesting um they showed this example of this astronaut taking out a
01:28:22
ethernet port from like a from like a cable array um or a hard drive array or
01:28:28
something and they had it like extend the clip and also generate part of the clip and it it did not look good it
01:28:34
definitely looked very like as he's taking the cable out the ethernet port is just sort of wobbling in this like
01:28:41
really weird way so I don't you know I think that's one of those things that
01:28:46
was also a tech demo that will'll eventually get better surprisingly this is actually available uh limited to 5
01:28:52
Seconds at 720 P though which 720p is not I don't think anyone wants to use a
01:28:58
720p clip maybe for web I don't know uh and then in Lightroom they added a bunch
01:29:05
of instant edit options that are like those magic edits that Google photos has classic and my take on this is they're
01:29:12
trying to get more people in the subscription realm or get trying to get more people to use their services more
01:29:17
often because light room has traditionally been structured as a like professional tool and now all of these
01:29:23
apps like Google photos and apple photos are adding these like editing tools built in and because Lightroom is a
01:29:30
subscription service people are using Google photos and apple photos more MH so I think that they want people to
01:29:37
understand like Lightroom can be a power user tool but we also now are introducing all these autoedit buttons
01:29:42
that can make it so you can stay in our ecosystem um yeah that was like most of
01:29:48
the very big stuff so that's cool they also had like a 3D like a two 2D to 3D
01:29:55
animation thing for um uh what is it called the thing that Tim uses a lot the
01:30:02
computer One Design no what the oh illustrator illustrator illustrator they
01:30:07
had illustr and then they yeah they had like an easy 3d designer for illustrator as well um yeah it was Tim's facing off
01:30:16
against AI again pretty soon round two round two it was a cool event I think that like last year it was last last
01:30:24
year was just so cringe because it was all like text to image based stuff and
01:30:29
cuz that's all they had they were trying to compete with canva and everything that they were doing felt like it was like not enabling creativity but
01:30:36
replacing creativity uh this year they definitely had more things that felt like they
01:30:42
modified or made easier tasks that you already had to do and the fact that one of their uh that their Chief product
01:30:49
officer said they're moving more towards that direction I think it's a good direction to head towards
01:30:54
um so I have one maybe far out question
01:31:00
okay does this potentially make people better at editing or worse at editing
01:31:07
because they don't won't have to learn the skills to do it by hand is what you're saying like or cuz if this tool
01:31:13
gets really really good like some of the examples I saw were people just tossing in like ingredients that just shouldn't
01:31:20
ever be Blended like I if I was going to composite three photos together I would at least try to match the lighting and
01:31:25
like try to comp like match the angles but you don't even have to with these so I feel like I would get worse at this
01:31:31
because of using a good tool but the results are so good that it's better than what I could have made so I'm
01:31:37
getting better are you wor math because you can use a calculator damn oh yes yes
01:31:45
yes I am but I'm getting the answers better I think exactly I think even with all these examples someone who is very
01:31:52
good at editing would still do a better job or someone who put the effort into match the lighting in the photo would
01:31:58
still do a better job I thought it was still pretty obvious those people were into the photo but it was good would they get a better result if you spent
01:32:06
the extra time pre like taking the photos I guess we don't matching lighting I think so maybe I hope I do
01:32:12
agree though that I think a lot of this seems like it would help with like uh the busy work aspect of things so it
01:32:18
make you better at editing in the sense that you could probably hit a deadline faster of getting rid of the things that
01:32:24
are just like super like minuscule that just take forever like busy work kind of
01:32:31
stuff but yeah over time those are the things that keep you sharp and uh keep
01:32:36
you like continually working and finding better ways so maybe worse you are relinquishing control of the creative
01:32:43
aspect in order to have it be more efficient because the result it gives you could be better or worse but it
01:32:48
depends on what your bar for quality is like magic wand H yeah
01:32:55
so yeah I don't know I think that the compositing area of like movie production and that kind of stuff has
01:33:02
been very quickly being been being like automated by artificial intelligence
01:33:07
especially in movies like you can key things instantly now it's crazy um and
01:33:13
the people that I had a friend that was working at a movie studio and his for like four years he was an intern there
01:33:19
and all he was doing was masking manual masking oh my gosh yeah dude I can do there's a plugin now for motion VFX that
01:33:25
lets me do automatic rotoscoping I just click the subject and it tracks forward
01:33:31
through all the frames and it does a a moving mask cutout for me like automatically and it's really good it's
01:33:37
accurate it does individual hairs like well I will never need to learn how to do rotoscoping now damn yeah that's yeah
01:33:45
that's good I find this interesting because we talked a lot about Google's uh reimagine feature right and there's
01:33:51
been this big discussion around like the access that you have to creating
01:33:57
something that is not real and this is sort of an in between because with Google it was like it's on your phone
01:34:04
everyone has a phone everyone can use Google photos it's a button with well or
01:34:09
a pixel 9 or whatever the difference here is there is a little bit of a barrier because you have to kind of
01:34:16
understand how to use Photoshop in general because you have to understand layers you have to understand like cropping and putting things around it's
01:34:22
still obviously like creating the opportunity for people to make things way faster I think there's
01:34:28
going to be positives and negatives that come from that capability but um at
01:34:33
least there's the barrier of needing to have a creative tool sounds like what a CEO would say well I'm not funny enough
01:34:41
that's where David was last week accepting his position as CEO of adobe Adobe CEO yeah I don't know sick anyway
01:34:48
so yeah definitely something to keep an eye on to see like how much of the stuff actually ships and when it does and how good it is and how how useful it is to
01:34:54
maybe some of our workflow yeah and then we'll talk to Tim make a video with him hello Tim well
01:35:02
I think that's about it for this week a lot of AI stuff a lot of AI self-driving a lot of AI uh Photoshop stuff a lot of
01:35:09
Lightroom Premiere and uh Kindles so colored eating really good stuff we
01:35:15
should end it though with of course uh some total shot in the-dark guesses at some trivia questions trivia trivia
01:35:22
trivia yeah yeah I completely forgot this episode started with Kindles shees
01:35:29
what a journey we that wasn't last week quick update on the score Marquez with
01:35:34
20 Andrew and David tied at 22 all right did you guys get points
01:35:40
last week I think Marquez got one point Marquez got two I think actually or was
01:35:45
it one foret I thought it was just one okay first question when was the first
01:35:50
Kindle oh right at least I should finish that have been thinking about this the first
01:35:56
Kindle damn wow the actual question was how many years has it been since the
01:36:02
first Kindle but I a't doing that math can we just put the air sure yeah I'm going to steal an new eracer okay think
01:36:09
about what songs were popular actually when you held your first
01:36:17
Kindle flip them and read such thing I never owned a Kindle I originally put 2006 as well what do you guys got
01:36:24
I put 2009 nope next I put
01:36:30
2006 nope I I put 2004 2004 no closest without going over
01:36:37
though Andrew gets the points what was it 2007 ah that was pretty close
01:36:43
question number two but first a quick correction since speaking about AI marz sent me a Verge article about the
01:36:49
anthropic CEO talking about ushering in a new Utopia so that's that's the one I was mentioning right right I just didn't
01:36:56
realize he literally used the word Utopia um so everything's bad chill
01:37:01
anyway onto something more fun Taco Bell around the world uh the dong herd around
01:37:07
the world um the dong which of the following countries does not have a Taco
01:37:15
Bell location currently within its borders hit it a Sri Lanka B Cyprus
01:37:23
C Finland or D Mexico oh sorry you're
01:37:37
[Music] good Andrew doesn't look like he knows the answer I I'm just going on Vibes but
01:37:44
I'm also not sure if I spelled it correctly all right lots of people put in Cyprus that's true we all put cyp we
01:37:51
all put it and we all to break it to you there are multiple Taco Bell locations
01:37:56
why we all put in the country of cypess I don't know wow it just felt like the odd one out that's true for taco B I
01:38:02
almost put Sri Lanka but the correct answer is Mexico Mexico that would make
01:38:07
the most sense they gave it a try folks really yeah they all close I get why Wow
01:38:15
but it's just too close to the US that that's why I had a hard problem imagining it yeah you can get real tacos
01:38:21
in Mexico zero I know but that's T about's not Mexican food it's totally different yeah it's like Domino's I like
01:38:30
my pizza I also like my dominance yeah I feel the same way brother not a single
01:38:36
one wow well today I learned something new that's well cool I can still go to Cypress
01:38:42
then but not Mexico good place to end it I think we've uh We've yeah we've
01:38:48
covered just about everything there was to cover this week much more upcoming of course so get subscribed if you haven't already and uh we'll catch y'all soon in
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