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460 4
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>> 460 what the Mark 60 Yeah. Remember they
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went up
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>> they went up in price this year 460.
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>> Yeah. They're hella expensive
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>> for headphones that sound like the music
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is coming out of a bee's hole.
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>> I remember when they were like 330 then
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they were for that.
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>> That is not what they sound like.
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>> Not bad. That's like the engine.
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>> Yeah. Like
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Yo, what is up people of the internet?
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Welcome back to another episode of the
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Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm
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Marquez.
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>> I'm Andrew.
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>> I'm David.
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>> And welcome to TechTember. Everything is
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happening. Wait a second. Hold on.
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>> Oh,
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>> it's it's TAR.
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>> Hold on. Tar.
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>> It's March. It's not.
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>> It's Tar.
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>> Sho's been trying to get Tar going.
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>> Tech. The start of Tar.
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>> We don't claim Tar. I don't know what
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you're talking about.
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>> Mech. No,
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>> I don't like
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>> it's like Christmas in July, but
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September and March.
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>> Yeah, it's it's a lot. We've got So,
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we're working on the S26 Ultra review
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and then Apple drops six new products.
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Nothing drops three new products and
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suddenly we just have a lot on our
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plate. And also, we got to talk a little
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bit more about AI and how it's affecting
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reviews. So, this might be a six-hour
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episode is what I'm trying to say. And
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we're shooting
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>> because it's Thursday.
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>> We're shooting it on Thursday, too.
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>> Don't threaten me with a good time like
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>> uh Yeah. Make sure you get subscribed
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because we have a lot to talk about. So,
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if we don't get to all of it this week,
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we'll probably get to more of it next
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week.
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>> Yeah.
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>> But first,
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I'm just going to take it in.
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>> Did they even test this? Apparently,
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this has already gone outside of this
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room and Olivia has something she wanted
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to add. So, Adam will be her
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>> surrogate.
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>> Surrogate, right?
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>> Yeah. Olivia and Michael were doing
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graphics for us because we asked for
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specific graphics for the channel. You
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might actually be seeing them on this
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episode. So YouTube viewers, let me know
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how uh how you like them.
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>> Is this something the thing that
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happened yesterday?
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>> Yes.
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>> It's so they've been working with an app
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called Apple Motion, which is their
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version of After Effects because they
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were like, you know, the team kind of
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works in Final Cut. Yeah. Marquez is
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like
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>> like you could call it that.
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>> That's what they want.
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>> They they're doing this for our benefit
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because we work in Final Cut mostly. And
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they're like, you know what? All our
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graphics we make in After Effects. Let's
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see if we can like learn this other
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program. it'll be easy to drop drag and
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drop into Final Cut like it'll be
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simple.
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>> Uh Olivia ran into this weird problem
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where she had this template that it was
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popping like a speck up on the screen
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and then she would go do other things,
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come back and it would just be like
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slightly off to the right. And she's
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like, "This is so weird." And she's like
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working on this for like the past week
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and every time she has to keep moving it
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back. She's like, "Why does this keep
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happening?" Then she like talks to
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Michael about it and Michael's like, "I
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figured it out. What happens is every
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time she hits save, it increments the X
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position by one.
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>> What?
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>> Yeah. So it she hasn't set it at zero
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and app.
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>> No. And so the solution they came came
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up with is she just has to remember
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every time she hits command S to move
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that asset to -1 on the X-axis and then
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when it saves it reverts to zero.
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>> What the heck?
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>> That's real. That's not so funny.
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>> It's so fast that that makes me not
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trust computers. I feel like if in
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Microsoft Word every time you hit save
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it added a dash to wherever your cursor
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is.
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>> It makes me afraid to save which is the
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one thing I should not be afraid to do.
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>> Is motion does motion have not autosave
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like Final Cut?
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>> I do not know. I I should cuz that might
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be a habit you can drop by switching to
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motion. I remember when I had I was in
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Premiere, I would automatically save
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every time I could because it if it
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crashed, it would just forget everything
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I did for the last 12 minutes. But when
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I switched to Final Cut Pro, it could
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crash and I would bring it back and it
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would remember. It would actually start
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trying to do the thing that made it
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crash again. Like it was that recent of
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a memory.
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>> Oh my god.
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>> So I wonder if the move is to stop
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commands and and
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>> stop saving. Maybe I'll I'll ask her.
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I'll see if that's a little life hack.
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>> Super weird,
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>> bro. Just tell Claude to oneshot this
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app.
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>> One shot Apple Motion.
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>> We don't need Apple software. We can
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just make it. I wonder if it's a weird
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>> shortcut thing that's happening. I don't
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know that that's so I can't believe
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Michael found it out. That's really
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impressive. But
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>> yeah, well, he's he's an After Effects
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guy, so he's command SL.
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>> Now when she does want to move it one,
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she'll just be like command SS SS
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like 10 spaces over.
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>> At least she's saving it and making sure
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it doesn't crash. I have a great segue
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because the the video that Apple played
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for the beginning of their event and
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that's now on their YouTube channel was
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really really good which is why I'm so
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sure they didn't use motion.
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>> So good.
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>> It was it's really good.
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>> It's really good.
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>> So Apple dropped a little uh we we'd had
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a week-long event. Oh, I guess we
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haven't talked about any of this. So we
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had Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Monday we got iPhone 17e if I'm
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remembering correctly. Tuesday we got
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MacBook Pro, M5 Pro, M5 Max.
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>> Oh, Tuesday. Yeah. Yeah.
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>> And Studio Display and Studio Display
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XDR.
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>> Monday we also got iPad Air with M4,
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too.
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>> Oh, I forgot about those.
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>> Yeah. I mean,
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>> it's been a week.
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>> Yeah.
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>> And there's new cross body strap colors.
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>> Two of them.
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>> Cool.
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>> Uh, yeah. And then we also got the S.
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And then Wednesday, we got the
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>> And then Wednesday, we got MacBook Air.
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>> Oh, wait. Tuesday, we also got the M5
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MacBook Air.
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>> Oh, did we? Yes,
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>> I know. Yeah, the things that just got
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spec bumps are obviously less
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interesting.
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>> Yeah, I feel like we can skip those
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pretty quick. M5, MacBook Air. It's the
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MacBook Air, but with M5.
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>> Yeah.
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>> And Wi-Fi 7. Okay.
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>> Well, there's other things.
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>> Oh,
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>> okay. Never mind.
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>> I mean, it's mostly just like they
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started at 512 gigs of base storage now.
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That's pretty awesome. And it goes up to
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4 tab instead of two.
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>> 2x faster read and write speeds, which
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is pretty awesome. Supports Wi-Fi 7 and
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Bluetooth 6. $100 more expensive than
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the base M4 Air. Um, so that's not
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great, but uh, but at least it starts at
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double the storage.
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>> Can I Well, sorry. And you may have kind
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of answered that, but I'm I missed it.
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>> Okay.
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>> It's 512 base storage, but the price has
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gone up. Yes.
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>> Is it the same price as the old 512
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>> base?
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So, it is more expensive than the
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baseline M4, but for the same storage
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tier, it's actually $100 cheaper than
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you would have gotten on the M4 MacBook
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Air. Good.
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>> So, it is like a better deal. And for a
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lot of people, the MacBook Air is going
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to be the better option anyway, which we
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will get to the the Neo in a bit.
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>> Mhm.
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>> Um, but yeah, and then like you said, M5
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Pro and M5 Max, MacBook Pros, that's
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kind of a big deal because we didn't
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have M5 Pro or M5 Max of anything yet,
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>> right? So,
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>> those are going to be way better for AI
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tasks, etc. Um, they also have video
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editing,
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>> video editing. They have way better GPU,
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uh, 4x peak GPU compared to M4 Max,
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which is pretty insane. Where's the M5
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Ultra, man?
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>> I know. Even for Yeah, they don't love
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the Ultras. They've only released a
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couple of those.
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>> Only three Ultra so far.
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>> Yeah. Uh up to 614 g gigabytes per
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second. Uh up to 128 GB of unified
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memory in the M5 Max. Pretty crazy
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stuff. It's ironic that they're
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releasing these now because people again
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were saying that in November or so
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they're going to release the M6 series
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because of the touchscreen MacBooks that
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are going to come out.
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>> Yeah. Um, but it was funny how everyone
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was speculating that these were going to
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be the touchscreen MacBooks because of
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the animation that they released, which
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was like the pinching of the Apple logo.
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>> Yeah, that was funny.
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>> Yeah. And I just went on a tirade on
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Twitter being like, "No, it's the cheap
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one. It's the cheap one."
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>> Also, they started a terabyte now, which
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makes me feel kind of old because a
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laptop starting at a terabyte storage is
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>> That used to be the top tier model.
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>> Yeah. That used to be like you could get
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a terabyte. Now it's you have to start
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at a terabyte. Yeah, that's that's wild
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to me.
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>> Uh, do you want to talk about the
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displays
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>> on the M5s?
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>> Uh, no.
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>> MacBook Pros. Oh, the Pro.
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Yeah. Okay. So, two new displays. They
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have a new studio display and a new
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studio display XDR, which is uh fancy
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and has sparkles around it. Uh, so no,
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>> it is a new technology.
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>> The new studio display is a little
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underwhelming. It's still like $1,600.
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It's still 60 Hz. I think essentially
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what they did was add a Thunderbolt port
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and it's Yeah, they didn't really do a
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whole lot else to it, but
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>> yeah,
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>> the Studio Display XDR replaces the Pro
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Display XDR.
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>> Yeah.
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>> And it's significantly cheaper.
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>> And here's the difference. So,
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>> that's a really nice way of putting it's
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35 or $3,200.
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>> Yeah. Instead of $5,000.
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>> No, this is a Well, okay. Okay. So, this
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is a thing that happens with Apple a
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lot, which is we go, "Look how much
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better it is than last time." Because
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last time was like horribly overpriced
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or something.
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>> What we're going to do with the 17e as
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well.
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>> Yeah, exactly. So, it's like the Pro
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display was $5,000 plus $1,000 stand and
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$1,000 nano texture. So, yeah, this is
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significantly cheaper, but this is also
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a better display in just about every
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single way. The only thing that I will
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miss when I inevitably get two of these
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is 6K and 32 in because these are both
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now 5K 27in displays
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>> but they are I think now 2,000 nits peak
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brightness. They're miniLEDD instead of
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the backlight in uh the Pro displays
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which I think is just a bunch of
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backlight zones instead of miniLEDD. Um,
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so yeah, 5K 27 in 120 Hz and very
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exciting. And also you can daisy chain
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them because they have a Thunderbolt
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extra Thunderbolt port which is sick.
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>> Yeah.
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>> So I I think I have to get these. I'm
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excited for what the mini LED ends up
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looking like. There's 2,34 dimming zones
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uh which are supposed to have even
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better contrast levels which is very
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nice. And 120 Hz is pretty crazy to be
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able to do that on these displays. Now,
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obviously, we've had gaming displays for
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a long time, and there's like ProArt,
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there's like all these high-end
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displays. But the reason people always
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end up buying these, even though that
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they're a bad deal, is just because of
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the seamless integration where you can
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just plug it in and it just works and
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all that stuff.
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>> That is probably the top of the list.
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>> The second thing on the list is probably
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color accuracy and being able to depend.
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There's a ton of reference modes in
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here. Like, this is actually still going
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to be a very good display. Um, I kind of
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wonder how it'll look next to a Pro
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display or how comparable they will be.
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Ideally, they're very, very similar. But
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yeah, I think I think these are actually
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a really good display. And the fact that
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they're $2,000 cheaper makes it look
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good compared to a Pro, which is
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obviously why you should never buy a Pro
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Display again, and they're discontinued.
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>> That's going to be a pretty significant
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lack of real estate you're going to lose
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when you're 2xing this now, putting them
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next to each other. Like, you're you're
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losing a lot of space. It would be way
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easier to have made your replica desk if
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I could have done 27 in 5K monitors
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instead.
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>> Well, maybe now on the replica desk you
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can just buy used Pro Display XDRs cuz
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those are going to be cheaper.
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>> You don't have to buy the XDR. You
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should just buy the studio display.
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>> Well, but the Pro display XDR might be
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like the same price in the used now, you
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know.
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>> Oh, you think used the price would be it
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won't be that low, but I don't.
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>> You don't think they go up for people
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who want stills?
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>> The 6K Apple display is now going to be
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like no more production. It's limited
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edition.
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>> I think people are interested in the
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miniLEDD.
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>> I totally agree with that. And the
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refresh rate. Now, the only 6K 32 in
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cheese grater monitor you can get is
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that weirdo knockoff that we got for the
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replica video if you on the studio.
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>> Also, the XDR model, the 27 in does
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charge at 140 watts. So, you can plug in
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the full 16-inch MacBook Pro. The other
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one that is not the XDR model charges at
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96 which is I believe the charging speed
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of the 14inch MacBook Pro, right?
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>> Yeah.
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>> Or some something like that. Yeah.
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>> And uh so that I mean that kind of shows
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what Apple like who Apple thinks is
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going to buy these. They think the mini
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LED ones they're going to be the
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hardcore workstation MacBook Pros
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whereas the the smaller well not smaller
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the cheaper one is going to be you know
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the lighter MacBook Pro.
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>> Yeah. Um, but you know, my summary is
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the regular the regular studio display
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is not that great of a deal. Please
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cross shop a bunch of stuff. The Pro
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Display the Studio Display XDR is kind
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of one of one again.
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>> Yeah,
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>> it's I feel like it's not going to be
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adding much to people who were like the
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people who bought Pro Display XDR
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previously. Now this is just what you
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buy instead. And it's not going to be
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like just cuz it's cheaper, I don't
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think it's going to gain that many more
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users. Yeah, I think it's if you today
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were thinking about buying a Proisplay
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XDR and then this comes out, it's like,
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"Oh, thank god I don't have to buy a Pro
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Display because that was going to be way
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more expensive for essentially 2x3 in of
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screen or five or whatever, but this is
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way cheaper and and a better display.
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>> 120 Hz is pretty nice though, I guess.
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>> That's really what I'm most excited
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about to be honest."
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>> Yeah.
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>> Yeah,
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>> that's pretty good.
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>> You're going to rock and see us too.
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>> I'm going to edit 30 fps videos and it's
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going to be great.
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>> Yeah. Um, okay. Okay, we got to talk
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about the iPhone 17e.
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>> Mhm.
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>> Yeah.
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>> So, obviously last year, uh, review was
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called like, who is this for? Or
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something like that because it just
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didn't make any sense at all.
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>> It was a $600 iPhone with a 60 Hz
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display
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>> with no Mag Safe.
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>> Yeah. One camera
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>> and with a single camera,
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>> which is the worst of all worlds.
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>> Yeah.
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>> And also, last year was the year that
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they started making the base iPhone like
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really good,
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>> so it just made even less sense. I
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reviewed a $900 iPhone 16.
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>> Why would they give you the top model?
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>> $900.
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>> Nobody is going to buy the top model.
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>> You can get all of the phone for $900.
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>> Dude, that's insane.
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>> So, okay, now we have the 17e one year
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later. And what do they change?
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>> There's like two ways this could have
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gone. Either it stays exactly the same
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or it's horrible or it's best is we get
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what the 16e should have been.
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>> I think that's what we got.
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>> And I think that's what we got.
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>> I think that's what we got. It has Mag
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Safe now. It has one more color. So, it
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was black and white. Right now there's
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black, white, and pink. Uh I don't know
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if anyone's asking for pink, but every
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>> They're doing pink this year. I swear.
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>> Yeah. Um and it has the newest chip and
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it doubles up to 256 gigs of storage
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again. And it's still the same 599
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price.
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>> And Ceramic Shield 2.
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>> And Ceramic Shield 2, which a lot of
00:14:00
people are very excited about.
00:14:01
>> Yeah.
00:14:02
>> So C1X chip may be underrated, but it's
00:14:04
in there, too. Uh it's their newest
00:14:06
highest end modem cellular wireless
00:14:09
chip. Uh, so that may end up being like
00:14:12
the most high-end thing in here
00:14:14
alongside the the processor.
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>> Yeah.
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>> But I think what's really interesting is
00:14:18
they stuck with a single camera and they
00:14:20
stuck with the same exact design and the
00:14:21
60 Hz display on the front.
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>> Yeah.
00:14:24
>> So now the question is just how much do
00:14:27
you care about a single camera and a 60
00:14:28
Hz display? Lots of people don't care
00:14:30
clearly.
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>> Yeah. And lots of people will just buy
00:14:33
this phone. I find it still a little
00:14:36
crazy that if you cross shop a little
00:14:39
bit for 600 bucks, you can get a 120 Hz
00:14:41
OLED, you could get dual, probably
00:14:43
triple cameras. Uh, but a lot of people
00:14:45
don't want the Android thing.
00:14:47
>> I'd rather buy a standard 16 refurbished
00:14:50
for probably cheaper than this than the
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17e.
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>> Yeah. I wonder if there's refurbished
00:14:54
17s already
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>> that are cheaper
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>> that are like 600 bucks.
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>> Probably not that cheap.
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>> Probably not that cheap yet,
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>> but 16s definitely.
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>> Yeah.
00:15:02
>> Yeah. I think I mean a lot of these
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things that we're going to talk about
00:15:05
today it's like if you're willing to buy
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used or refurbished the the bit better
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one from last year is a better deal
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>> and I think that people should get into
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the habit of looking at used and
00:15:17
refurbished things before they buy the
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new thing especially because we're
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getting such incremental upgrades every
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year.
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>> I was going to say not even everything
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we talk about today every phone we talk
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about pretty much
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>> even the MacBook when we talk about it
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because a lot of people are talking
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about the refurbished MacBook Air from
00:15:31
last year. Well, I was going to say that
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going off of how Marquez started his
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video is like if you're listening to
00:15:36
this, if you're
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>> like one of our like if you're
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subscribed to tech channels, you just
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this isn't for you. Just like get the
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get the regular iPhone 17
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>> or an old like air or like refurbished
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like do do that because this is not for
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the people that are aware of of this.
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>> This is like you walk into a store and
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you're like give me the cheap one. I
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don't care. Whatever. like those people,
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they're going to get the
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>> but it's got to have iMessage cuz my
00:16:01
nieces and nephews have iMessage.
00:16:02
>> Like I don't the same thing with the
00:16:04
with the new computer. Like I don't care
00:16:05
what's the cheap one. Like that's that's
00:16:07
who this is for.
00:16:08
>> At least this year they get a decent
00:16:10
phone like a phone that makes sense in
00:16:12
the lineup where last year it felt like
00:16:14
they were getting scammed.
00:16:15
>> Not having Mag Safe was like a big L.
00:16:17
And then like they're kind of mogging
00:16:19
Google with the storage right now. I'm
00:16:21
going to
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>> I don't know what mogging means but get
00:16:23
get mogged. Pixel Alyssa Lou said it so
00:16:26
I can see storage mogging. Yeah. So,
00:16:29
>> Apple frame mogs Google in Miami club.
00:16:33
Google with a massive cortisol spike.
00:16:36
>> After being frame mogged by Chad Apple
00:16:39
>> Google's Google's 10A has 128 gigs of
00:16:42
storage again.
00:16:44
>> So,
00:16:44
>> yeah.
00:16:45
>> So, yeah, if the 11 comes out, I'm
00:16:46
assuming that'll be 256 base. It's got
00:16:48
to be.
00:16:49
>> That's just Yeah, you're right. Cuz now
00:16:50
they did the
00:16:51
>> It's got to be, dude. 17 over the Pixel
00:16:53
10, doubled storage, same price, and now
00:16:56
they did it for the cheap versions on
00:16:57
both.
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>> 17.
00:16:58
>> This just feels like they're picking on
00:16:59
Google at this point.
00:17:02
>> Yeah, they deserve to get picked.
00:17:03
>> Google Yeah, Apple's getting to the
00:17:04
point where they're like not releasing
00:17:05
anything with 128 gigs of storage
00:17:07
anymore cuz when we get to the Neo
00:17:08
starts at 256 as well, like there's not
00:17:10
a lot of 128s left uh in the Apple
00:17:13
ecosystem. Google's got to catch up
00:17:15
otherwise they're going to have a lot of
00:17:16
cortisol this this summer.
00:17:18
>> I know you're watching. I know you are.
00:17:20
I know you've heard us.
00:17:22
>> You can delete that comment and just get
00:17:23
to work on the phone.
00:17:27
>> All right, there's one more thing that
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Apple announced and it was uh the final
00:17:31
thing that they saved for Wednesday,
00:17:32
>> which is a MacBook Neo new name.
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>> Cool name.
00:17:36
>> We've never heard that word from Apple
00:17:37
before. We thought it would just be the
00:17:38
MacBook. So, MacBook Neo is a $599
00:17:43
MacBook. It's a 13-in display. It's
00:17:45
powered by an A18 Pro chip. So, not
00:17:49
quite Apple silicon M series chip, but
00:17:51
that was a chip that was in the iPhone
00:17:52
16 Pro, and it seems to be right around
00:17:55
the level of performance of M1.
00:17:58
>> Probably a little better in single core,
00:18:00
a little worse in multi-core, but
00:18:01
anyway, A18 Pro inside, 8 gigs of RAM,
00:18:05
256 gigs of storage, and four colors.
00:18:08
It's incredibly inexpensive, and so
00:18:11
they've done all the things they have to
00:18:12
do to get a MacBook, which is still made
00:18:14
of metal all the way down. Uh, like the
00:18:16
keyboard's not back lit anymore. It's
00:18:18
only two ports. Both are USB type-C. One
00:18:21
of them is USB 3. One of them is USB 2.
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And they're not labeled
00:18:24
>> and they're not labeled. The back one is
00:18:26
USB 3. The front one's USB 2. You
00:18:27
probably figure that out sooner or
00:18:29
later.
00:18:29
>> I don't know if people will, bro. I
00:18:30
don't think you don't care. If you
00:18:32
figured it out, you shouldn't be buying
00:18:34
this.
00:18:34
>> I think most people are just using these
00:18:35
ports to charge and not using them for
00:18:38
>> one to charge, one to plug something in,
00:18:40
a mouse, a keyboard, some random. I
00:18:42
don't know. Everything is wireless now.
00:18:43
It's true. I think I cuz this is for
00:18:45
people that are doing every it's the
00:18:46
like you said you guys both said this
00:18:48
the Safari book,
00:18:49
>> right? So like people are using online
00:18:51
services almost exclusively with this
00:18:53
computer. So like why plug anything in
00:18:54
except for charging it?
00:18:55
>> That's totally true.
00:18:56
>> Yeah.
00:18:57
>> Uh what else is true? Oh uh so the
00:18:59
keyboard Yeah. not back lit and the
00:19:00
trackpad is not a force touch trackpad.
00:19:02
It's an actual clicking trackpad and
00:19:04
it's a little bit smaller.
00:19:04
>> Yeah.
00:19:05
>> You said it felt good though.
00:19:06
>> It felt good. Felt totally fine. Uh no
00:19:08
issues with that at all. And the last
00:19:10
thing I noticed is the keyboards were
00:19:12
white and they had so the the on the
00:19:15
side they had like moved the speakers to
00:19:17
the side of the laptop
00:19:18
>> side firing
00:19:18
>> like sidefiring. I got a couple demos to
00:19:21
listen to them. They do not sound good.
00:19:24
That's okay. They're just baseline at
00:19:26
laptop speakers at this point.
00:19:28
>> Wait, before you move on, this is
00:19:29
something I want to clarify on here
00:19:31
because I asked you this question. I was
00:19:33
reading in the review before you even
00:19:34
got back or what you were writing and
00:19:36
you say all the keyboards are white, but
00:19:39
like
00:19:39
>> on the picture they look
00:19:41
>> tinted.
00:19:41
>> They're tinted, but like on apple.com
00:19:44
they look like
00:19:45
>> colorful.
00:19:46
>> Colorful. Very colorful. And then I did
00:19:48
see some of your footage. You said the
00:19:49
lighting wasn't great, but like it seems
00:19:51
like they're closer to white.
00:19:53
>> Yeah. So they're they're Yeah. To to be
00:19:56
fair, I think apple.com pumps the color
00:19:58
a little bit. I think they look light
00:20:00
and tinted. So on the indigo laptop for
00:20:02
example, the keyboard looks light light
00:20:05
light light light blue.
00:20:07
>> Close to white. Not quite white.
00:20:09
>> On the website looks like dark purple
00:20:10
almost.
00:20:11
>> Yeah, it looks dark.
00:20:12
>> Yeah. It's not quite that t.
00:20:12
>> So it's like LCroy blue.
00:20:14
>> A breath of Exactly. Just a tiny bit.
00:20:17
>> A truck passed by with a blue in it.
00:20:19
>> Somebody whispered blue at the factory.
00:20:20
>> Yeah. Yeah. So uh so slightly matching
00:20:24
keyboards and even like matching
00:20:26
wallpapers and UI elements by default
00:20:28
out of the box. So, like on the yellow
00:20:30
laptop, the menu items are yellow and
00:20:32
the keyboard's slightly yellow. And it's
00:20:33
like, okay, you got the citrus theme.
00:20:34
>> I love the citrus one so much.
00:20:36
>> Are you into citrus? I was thinking
00:20:37
about that. They asked me, "What's your
00:20:39
favorite color?" There's citrus. There's
00:20:40
That's the yellow one. There's indigo,
00:20:42
which is the blue, dark blue one. Then
00:20:44
there's the pink one, which I think is
00:20:45
called blush. And then there's silver.
00:20:47
>> Andrew, you piss colored.
00:20:51
>> Yellow. I do like yellow a lot.
00:20:53
>> It's piss.
00:20:54
>> Yeah, they got him on the
00:20:55
>> It looks good. Also, I just thought,
00:20:57
where's Project Red?
00:20:59
>> Oh, yeah. That would be cool. The red
00:21:00
would be sick.
00:21:01
>> I don't know. In Product Red.
00:21:03
>> Product Red.
00:21:03
>> Yeah. In all the videos, I know the
00:21:05
lighting was kind of
00:21:06
>> Yeah.
00:21:06
>> The The Piss one looked like kind of It
00:21:08
looked like neon green.
00:21:11
>> It Yeah, because the lighting It's so
00:21:14
tough. It in person it it's giving lemon
00:21:18
lime.
00:21:18
>> It's giving lemon
00:21:19
>> like the Gatorade.
00:21:21
>> Yeah.
00:21:22
>> It's like the best Gatorade flavor.
00:21:23
>> So, like a tiny bit of green, but not
00:21:25
really. Good morning.
00:21:26
>> It's mostly yellow.
00:21:26
>> Y'all haters.
00:21:27
>> It's mostly yellow. It's my favorite
00:21:28
flavor. Gatorade.
00:21:30
>> I don't want to hear that.
00:21:31
>> You probably should not say my favorite
00:21:33
flavor while he's saying
00:21:34
>> Wait, lemon lime is your favorite
00:21:36
Gatorade.
00:21:36
>> I like orange and yellow. Yeah.
00:21:38
>> It's such a boring pick, but I think I
00:21:40
agree with yellow. It's so good. And
00:21:42
then
00:21:42
>> Gatorade.
00:21:43
>> Yeah.
00:21:43
>> And then Glacier Cherry.
00:21:44
>> What What's your favorite flavor of
00:21:46
Gatorade?
00:21:46
>> Like the red one.
00:21:47
>> The blue you can't call boring and then
00:21:50
go fruit punch. I agree. Fruit punch is
00:21:52
delicious. That's the default. Good.
00:21:54
That's the antiator.
00:21:55
>> No, the blue one.
00:21:56
>> Yeah, but which blue one?
00:21:57
>> Oh god, I hate that one.
00:21:58
>> Light blue.
00:21:59
>> No, the problem with the blue one and
00:22:01
the yellow one is that they make my sal
00:22:02
like saliva glands fire.
00:22:04
>> They all do that.
00:22:05
>> The red one doesn't.
00:22:06
>> So full of sugar. Really?
00:22:07
>> Well, are you taking a zero?
00:22:08
>> I'm talking because they're a little bit
00:22:09
sour
00:22:13
>> background.
00:22:14
>> Anyway, the flavors of Gatorade here
00:22:16
with this MacBook Neo.
00:22:17
>> The silver is the absolute best color
00:22:19
because it looks just like the old 12-in
00:22:21
MacBook. It looks very clean. Everyone
00:22:23
buying the silver is why we don't get
00:22:24
fun colors on things anymore because
00:22:26
they're giving us fun colors and y'all
00:22:28
are like, "Oh, I want silver."
00:22:29
>> That's actually I want to see the
00:22:30
distribution here because there's a
00:22:32
silver one. You can get the boring one
00:22:34
or a colorful one. And I want to know
00:22:35
what the spread ends up being for
00:22:37
different colors.
00:22:37
>> Regular people will buy a color. Schools
00:22:39
will buy a thousand of the silver ones
00:22:41
>> and that's it.
00:22:42
>> Everyone I know that pre-ordered one
00:22:43
pre-ordered the piss color, but I think
00:22:44
it's just because they like have taste.
00:22:47
>> Who do you know that pre-ordered a
00:22:48
MacBook Neo?
00:22:49
>> Three people. It's do they know they're
00:22:51
all piece of
00:22:52
>> Well, it's really I mean
00:22:55
>> it's project Linda. It's a phone.
00:22:56
>> No, think about this. The A18 Pro is is
00:22:59
about the M4 single thread performance.
00:23:02
Multi-thread it's not. But for single
00:23:04
single threaded tasks, it's about the
00:23:06
M4.
00:23:06
>> We should talk about what this computer
00:23:08
is going to be capable of, right? Okay.
00:23:10
Everyone sees it's the the the
00:23:12
smartphone chip. And to be fair, it will
00:23:15
be not as good, especially with the 8
00:23:18
gigs of memory. I think that's actually
00:23:19
the real bottleneck. But it will not be
00:23:21
good for video editing. It won't be good
00:23:24
for gaming. They were bold enough to do
00:23:25
a gaming demo for me on this on a 60 Hz
00:23:28
display.
00:23:28
>> Was an iPhone game though.
00:23:30
>> It was basically an iPhone game. It
00:23:31
didn't look that great. This is not for
00:23:33
that. But if you think about who's going
00:23:35
to be buying this, it's a lot of
00:23:37
schools. It's a lot of students. It's a
00:23:39
lot of young people's first computer who
00:23:41
you're getting them a Mac instead of a
00:23:42
tablet or something or like a cheap a
00:23:44
random HP or a Chromebook.
00:23:45
>> Yes. This for those people is a web
00:23:48
browser and it's a spreadsheets, word
00:23:50
processing, texting, basic stuff like
00:23:53
that. Email, it's going to kill all
00:23:55
that. It's super good. And most of these
00:23:57
things are single core tasks that this
00:23:59
chip is going to be totally fine for.
00:24:00
When you ask more of it, that's when
00:24:03
you're going to, you know, feel like the
00:24:04
edges of performance of like, oh wow, I
00:24:06
can't play Fortnite on this laptop or
00:24:09
you can play Fortnite. It's optimized.
00:24:10
Great.
00:24:11
>> I mean, you can play it on a phone.
00:24:13
at 60 Hz on this laptop, but us
00:24:21
isn't a this isn't going to be for that
00:24:23
anyway.
00:24:24
>> So, I think it's actually a perfectly
00:24:26
reasonable performance envelope. I think
00:24:28
the 8 gigs of memory is going to be like
00:24:30
a time thing like how long before apps
00:24:33
are just using too much memory for this
00:24:36
8.
00:24:36
>> I had an 8 gigaby M1 MacBook MacBook Air
00:24:39
when it came out.
00:24:39
>> Yeah. And it's great up until your
00:24:42
storage starts filling up because it
00:24:44
uses the swap memory.
00:24:46
>> Yeah.
00:24:46
>> And the memor is very fast. So it's like
00:24:48
it's generally fine, but as soon as your
00:24:49
storage starts filling up, it starts
00:24:51
getting slow.
00:24:52
>> Yeah.
00:24:52
>> So I don't know. I go back to the story
00:24:55
with my sister how she bought the uh she
00:24:57
bought the Mac Mini and the next day the
00:25:00
double storage model was the same price.
00:25:02
So I told her to return it. She's like,
00:25:04
"Why would I do that?
00:25:04
>> I don't use storage. I just browse the
00:25:06
web."
00:25:06
>> That's exactly what she said. What am I
00:25:08
going to do with storage? Yeah.
00:25:09
>> And I was like
00:25:13
>> regular people like we have so many
00:25:15
things on our desktops and like locally
00:25:17
on our computer because it's video files
00:25:18
and it's big photos and it's all this
00:25:20
stuff.
00:25:20
>> Regular people just do everything on the
00:25:22
web browser.
00:25:23
>> I know. But that web browser is usually
00:25:25
Google Chrome which demands 64 GB of
00:25:28
RAM. This is why this is Safari.
00:25:31
>> Safari book
00:25:32
>> which I you know how I feel about
00:25:33
Safari. I'm like the biggest Safari
00:25:35
evangelist of all time. But like
00:25:38
>> I don't know, man. Yeah, I love Safari.
00:25:40
I'll never use anything else.
00:25:41
>> Here's an interesting spec about like
00:25:42
what might make this a Safari book. The
00:25:44
battery size on this laptop is
00:25:47
significantly smaller than a MacBook
00:25:49
Air. MacBook Air has something like a
00:25:50
55watt hour battery. This has a 36 12
00:25:53
watt hour battery, but they are quoting
00:25:56
almost the same battery life as a
00:25:58
MacBook Air. I guarantee that's mostly
00:26:00
like video playback and using Safari
00:26:02
because the second you throw Chrome on
00:26:04
this thing is going to tank through that
00:26:06
half size battery. So this is this is
00:26:08
specifically like you're using Apple's
00:26:10
apps, you're using Safari, you're using
00:26:11
iMessage, you're using Apple Music, and
00:26:14
that's that's going to be great.
00:26:15
>> It's also lower TTE cuz it's a literally
00:26:17
the phone processor, but like an M
00:26:19
processor is just a big phone processor.
00:26:22
They're pretty much the same
00:26:23
architecture.
00:26:23
>> I think it also comes with like a 20
00:26:24
watt charger cuz it's such a small
00:26:26
battery. It doesn't need a big charger.
00:26:28
And that's lower total lower power
00:26:31
envelope.
00:26:31
>> Wow.
00:26:32
>> It is so crazy
00:26:33
>> that you can run Mac OS on an A18.
00:26:36
>> Yeah, man.
00:26:37
>> What's also crazy is we've been running
00:26:39
iPad OS on an M4.
00:26:41
>> That is that is also crazy. Now an M5,
00:26:44
right?
00:26:44
>> The M4 iPad. Yeah.
00:26:47
>> Like what else could we be doing? You
00:26:49
know,
00:26:49
>> so
00:26:49
>> can I run Linux on a toaster? Like are
00:26:52
we
00:26:54
>> Absolutely. Isn't there an A19 Pro in
00:26:57
the studio display XDR? Like they just
00:26:59
print these chips.
00:27:00
>> Yeah, they put the iPhone in that
00:27:03
display just for the camera.
00:27:04
>> This chip is so cheap for them to make.
00:27:05
It's unbelievable.
00:27:06
>> Yeah, Ellis's point though, that was the
00:27:08
one takeaway that I had from this
00:27:09
MacBook Neo thing was like, "Oh, so you
00:27:11
can run Mac OS on these phone chips?
00:27:13
They just choose not to."
00:27:14
>> For sure.
00:27:15
>> So, you think I can plug in the iPhone
00:27:17
Fold and have a Mac OS experience? Cuz
00:27:19
it's possible. Clearly,
00:27:20
>> they might do that. I don't know.
00:27:22
Especially if Google's doing it.
00:27:23
>> That would be freaking awesome. I think
00:27:24
that's a philosophical thing cuz you're
00:27:26
what you're saying makes perfect logical
00:27:27
sense and we are the consumer and so
00:27:29
we're thinking logically about this but
00:27:31
if you're Apple and I thought a lot
00:27:32
about this recently like the super super
00:27:34
powerful iPad is still not good enough
00:27:36
to be your fulltime that's a $2,000 M4
00:27:40
powered iPad and it's still not your
00:27:42
full-time laptop
00:27:43
>> for some people it could be
00:27:44
>> for a lot of people
00:27:47
get an iPad and have Mac OS depends on
00:27:50
what you do
00:27:50
>> there's some evangelists and there's a
00:27:52
small fraction of people who are like
00:27:54
iPad sickos that are like, "Yes, I got
00:27:56
rid of my laptop. Yes, this is a thing."
00:27:58
And you can do that if you're really
00:28:00
dedicated.
00:28:01
>> But I think for most people, iPad,
00:28:03
they're specifically designing these
00:28:05
products to live alongside each other.
00:28:06
Apple's like, "Please buy a MacBook and
00:28:09
an iPad. Use Sidecar, use continuity,
00:28:12
use the sync across the devices. They
00:28:14
are perfect for each other." Michael,
00:28:16
our our our graphics guy, he uses an
00:28:18
iPad. He said, "Just for the pencil and
00:28:20
to draw things and then for Sidecar."
00:28:22
Yeah.
00:28:23
>> Yeah. But he also uses a magic mouse. So
00:28:25
like
00:28:26
>> I mean if you buy like a used iPad Air
00:28:29
for pretty cheap. Having an external
00:28:31
display that you can just have at any
00:28:32
time is pretty awesome too.
00:28:33
>> Yeah. For your Mac.
00:28:34
>> For your Mac.
00:28:35
>> So they're like please buy both.
00:28:36
>> Yeah.
00:28:36
>> And so for as powerful as they are
00:28:38
willing to make the iPad Pro, they are
00:28:40
not willing to make it powerful enough
00:28:42
philosophically to be your full-time
00:28:44
computer. They want you to use it
00:28:45
alongside.
00:28:46
>> It's an artificial limitation.
00:28:47
>> It is 100%.
00:28:48
>> Yeah. So Apple specializes in it.
00:28:50
>> I know. It's their specialty.
00:28:52
>> But they also let you plug it into the
00:28:53
display. And they talk about how with
00:28:55
the new displays,
00:28:56
>> I love that.
00:28:56
>> Yeah. They talk about how with the new
00:28:57
displays, like you can plug the the iPad
00:29:00
the new iPad Pro into the 120 Hz display
00:29:03
and it'll like run at 120 Hz and you can
00:29:05
do all the things.
00:29:06
>> And I think if they're letting you plug
00:29:07
the iPad into that display with the
00:29:08
Thunderbolt cable and like run iPad OS
00:29:10
on the display, they will probably let
00:29:12
you do that with the Fold. That's my
00:29:13
guess.
00:29:14
>> Have you ever noticed the demos though
00:29:15
that they run? Whenever they do that, I
00:29:17
pay very close attention to the demos
00:29:19
that Apple constructs to demo their
00:29:21
products, right? And when they ever do
00:29:22
whenever they do the like iPad plugged
00:29:24
into the studio display, they
00:29:26
immediately open Procreate and they just
00:29:28
start like doing the artist thing. They
00:29:30
never do file management. They never do
00:29:32
multitasking. They're doing like the
00:29:33
very simple like, oh, here's the big
00:29:35
display so you can view your work thing.
00:29:37
>> That's on purpose. I think if they
00:29:38
wanted you to do all that like computer
00:29:40
stuff,
00:29:41
>> Yeah.
00:29:41
>> they'd be selling you a computer. I will
00:29:43
say uh really quick with the new
00:29:45
display, the the really good one, the
00:29:46
XDR one, they have the camera in it now.
00:29:49
So they could just get you you guys
00:29:51
should just get rid of continuity camera
00:29:53
cuz every there's many times when I get
00:29:55
on a video call and my feed is just
00:29:57
black and I don't understand why and
00:29:59
then I realize it automatically
00:30:00
connected to my phone and it's just in
00:30:02
my pocket and I'm like, "Oh, this is
00:30:04
>> that's true." But please don't actually
00:30:07
because
00:30:07
>> you don't have to get rid of it. I'm
00:30:09
just saying like when I'm in the audio
00:30:10
room, I need to take a call. There's no
00:30:11
webcam in that room, right? And I I am
00:30:13
so peripheralled up in that setup. Like
00:30:15
I really don't want to add another one.
00:30:17
But I recently added my iPad as a third
00:30:20
monitor with Sidecar.
00:30:22
>> You can use that camera.
00:30:24
>> No, but I just close the the sidecar
00:30:27
window and take the call on the iPad.
00:30:29
>> Oh yeah,
00:30:30
>> that's cool. Yeah.
00:30:31
>> So I Yeah, I guess you could get rid of
00:30:32
it.
00:30:33
>> Marquez, I want to know cuz you actually
00:30:34
played with uh these laptops. People
00:30:37
were talking about the thickness.
00:30:39
>> Can you talk about that?
00:30:40
>> Sure. So,
00:30:41
>> are you down with the thickness?
00:30:43
>> I think a lot of people will be totally
00:30:44
fine with it. So, technically it is a
00:30:47
little bit smaller than the iPad uh than
00:30:49
the MacBook Air. It is a 13-in display
00:30:51
instead of 13.6, right?
00:30:54
>> But it is basically the exact same
00:30:56
weight and it is actually slightly
00:30:58
thicker because of the lack of wedge
00:30:59
shape. And that's not to hold more
00:31:00
battery. It's not even like a bigger
00:31:02
battery. It's just like this is a not
00:31:04
engineered for maximum thinness air. So,
00:31:07
it feels like an Air to me when I'm
00:31:09
holding it. It does. I didn't worry
00:31:10
about like extra weight or thickness.
00:31:12
It's I think technically on paper a
00:31:14
tenth of an inch thicker than the
00:31:16
MacBook Air. Yeah.
00:31:17
>> So, like not a big deal. Yeah.
00:31:18
>> Is it I'm assuming it's not wedge shaped
00:31:20
cuz now the speakers are down here,
00:31:21
right? Which if you wedged all the way
00:31:23
down to there, you can't have the
00:31:24
speakers in the bottom corner. And also
00:31:26
the headphone jack there looks really
00:31:28
strange.
00:31:28
>> Yeah, it is weird.
00:31:29
>> It is really weird.
00:31:31
>> It kind It makes more sense to be
00:31:33
honest. figure out why weird sense
00:31:35
>> cuz it's just closer to you and when you
00:31:37
have actual headphones you're plugging
00:31:38
in
00:31:39
>> the further I mean it's like
00:31:41
>> 3 in closer
00:31:42
>> 8 in it would probably be the difference
00:31:45
but
00:31:45
>> I will say uh the refurbished 13-in
00:31:48
MacBook Air right now on Apple's website
00:31:50
is $750.
00:31:52
>> This is how I think I need to review
00:31:53
this computer.
00:31:54
>> Yeah. is if you are thinking about
00:31:56
buying a MacBook Neo and you want to be
00:31:59
a little bit like you want to like look
00:32:01
into it a little bit. There's actually
00:32:04
two other things you could do for $600
00:32:06
is you could get an M1 MacBook Air
00:32:09
>> M1, right?
00:32:11
>> That'd be really cheap.
00:32:12
>> That would be a potentially just as good
00:32:15
computer for you, but it's an M chip.
00:32:18
Um, you get more software support from
00:32:20
buying a Neo today because you're
00:32:22
starting today at day zero and have
00:32:24
years of software, but you know, maybe
00:32:26
you think an M1 Air will have a better
00:32:27
display, more multi-threaded, whatever.
00:32:30
That's a choice you could make.
00:32:31
>> Mhm.
00:32:32
>> Uh, and the other is you could still buy
00:32:35
like a $500, $600 Windows computer or a
00:32:38
Chromebook for that price.
00:32:40
>> It's and I think it's we all have this
00:32:43
reaction because we're like, well, why
00:32:44
would you do that if you could get Mac
00:32:45
OS? But I think that's the comparison
00:32:48
that I need to put it all I need to put
00:32:49
these things all online and see like
00:32:51
what's the advantage. What's the best
00:32:53
Windows laptop I can get for $5.99 for
00:32:55
students? $4.99. That's going to be
00:32:57
tough, but I want to actually figure
00:32:58
that out.
00:32:59
>> I think it's like if you are watching or
00:33:01
listening to this podcast right now,
00:33:03
that might be a something you look into.
00:33:06
Most people buying this they and those
00:33:08
people might find your regular channel
00:33:10
review going to buy it. They just like
00:33:12
to me the MacBook Neo is it's a laptop.
00:33:16
All of us don't have laptops anymore. We
00:33:18
have fullblown workstations that happen
00:33:21
to be in a laptop now because we got to
00:33:23
that point. Maybe workstation is not the
00:33:25
right word, but like these are insanely
00:33:27
powerful for this. But when you think
00:33:29
about what we just used to do with
00:33:31
laptops, we never sat at a desk with
00:33:33
them and like plugged it into something.
00:33:35
We would sit on the couch or a chair or
00:33:37
a coffee shop and like that's what the
00:33:39
Neo is. It's just a laptop.
00:33:41
>> That's a world I've never known. Like my
00:33:44
first my first laptop was like a plug
00:33:46
into a a a workstation desk and like
00:33:50
>> and do it. And I remember
00:33:52
>> being like, yo, why are laptops not as
00:33:55
powerful as computers? Until M the M
00:33:57
series came out and it's just like why
00:33:59
would we go for
00:33:59
>> like Claire has a laptop. It's never
00:34:02
she's never sat at a desk with it. She
00:34:05
uses it on the couch or maybe at the
00:34:07
dining room table or like in the like
00:34:09
and she uses it at work sometimes. I
00:34:11
guess that's at a desk. But like those
00:34:12
are laptop things to just do laptop
00:34:14
things or
00:34:14
>> we need to do like a studio video that's
00:34:16
like a competition between a MacBook
00:34:20
Air, a Neo, a a Windows PC and an iPad
00:34:25
cuz I'm I'm so curious where the edge
00:34:27
case is that one c one of those cannot
00:34:30
do.
00:34:30
>> I think this is that point though where
00:34:32
if you're watching a video of like a
00:34:34
competition between a Neo and something
00:34:36
else, you're out of the Neo range
00:34:37
already. No, but like even for like like
00:34:40
genuinely
00:34:41
>> what can what can you not do on an iPad
00:34:44
that you can do on a Neo? You can get a
00:34:46
keyboard. You can Bluetooth any keyboard
00:34:47
to an iPad.
00:34:48
>> I know. But
00:34:49
>> here. So that might be one thing to add
00:34:50
to my discussion because the base iPads
00:34:52
329.
00:34:53
>> The keyboard and trackpad they make for
00:34:55
it are $250.
00:34:57
So that's $600 right there.
00:35:00
>> You could get that and you can do file
00:35:03
management and multi-wind and most
00:35:05
>> it's modular at that point too. And you
00:35:07
have a touch screen if you want it and
00:35:09
you could pop it off. Yeah, that's
00:35:10
that's maybe that's one more option. Put
00:35:12
it on your lap.
00:35:13
>> And I I would also
00:35:15
>> That's true.
00:35:16
>> That's very true.
00:35:17
>> I would also argue that the people the
00:35:21
the market for the Neo is more likely to
00:35:24
use cloud storage and just file
00:35:27
management doesn't matter really on like
00:35:29
the iPad.
00:35:30
>> I don't know, man. I think
00:35:31
>> I just like integrated laptops more than
00:35:34
twoin-one touchcreens with detachable
00:35:37
keyboards.
00:35:38
>> I also think we're overthinking this.
00:35:39
Yep.
00:35:40
>> I think if a if a parent walks into Best
00:35:42
Buy and sees three laptops and an iPad
00:35:44
that are all $600, they're buying the
00:35:46
Neo because they're familiar with Apple.
00:35:48
It looks like
00:35:49
>> going to sell. Also, education discount
00:35:52
is $100 off. So, it's $500 with
00:35:55
education discount.
00:35:56
>> Can I ask a question if any of you guys
00:35:57
might know? I asked this to Marquez and
00:35:59
I wasn't like when I always think of
00:36:00
getting an educational discount, it's
00:36:02
usually with aedu email address which is
00:36:04
college, but like very clearly this is
00:36:06
great for high school and
00:36:08
>> it might work if you have like a high
00:36:09
school ID. I'm not sure.
00:36:10
>> Yeah, I guess a high school ID, but it's
00:36:12
harder to prove you are a student and if
00:36:14
you don't have to, then I'm just going
00:36:16
to walk into an Apple store with a kid
00:36:17
and be like, look at this student over
00:36:19
here. It's been a long time since since
00:36:21
I was in that world, but I believe Apple
00:36:24
partners with a company called Uniday to
00:36:26
do uh educational status verification.
00:36:29
>> Like for the past ever since I was in
00:36:31
college, like even my freshman year of
00:36:33
college to get any Apple edu discounts,
00:36:36
you needed to first go through the
00:36:37
Uniday's verification process.
00:36:39
>> And that's like high school students.
00:36:41
No, that's why I'm saying like I don't
00:36:42
know how you would do it as a high
00:36:43
school student because you need to like
00:36:45
you need to give them a bunch of
00:36:46
documents like your your transcripts and
00:36:49
like your ed your edu email and like
00:36:51
>> but also I wouldn't be surprised if a
00:36:53
lot of high schoolers are getting edu
00:36:54
emails now.
00:36:55
>> Yeah,
00:36:56
>> possibly.
00:36:57
>> Um
00:36:57
>> I feel like also a lot of middle schools
00:36:59
high schools are the ones supplying the
00:37:01
computers for the classrooms at least in
00:37:02
the US from what I've seen but I'm sure
00:37:04
there's plenty of
00:37:05
>> How do schools work in 2026? I don't
00:37:06
really know how
00:37:08
>> your open claw teacher tells you some
00:37:11
lies about George Washington and then
00:37:13
you go home and like play Fortnite and
00:37:16
drink caffeine all night, right?
00:37:17
>> I remember in like 8th grade when we got
00:37:19
a Smartboard and the thing just never
00:37:21
worked so they just used the whiteboard
00:37:22
instead and we were like, "Damn, look at
00:37:24
this technology."
00:37:25
>> Smartboard in eighth grade.
00:37:26
>> It was called a smart.
00:37:27
>> It never worked. It
00:37:28
>> never worked. We just watched movies on
00:37:30
the CRT, baby. That's all we did. The
00:37:32
smartboard wound up just being the
00:37:34
projector white screen essentially and
00:37:35
they never used the fake markers on it.
00:37:38
>> 70 lb TV.
00:37:38
>> The overhead projector, not
00:37:40
>> my old This might be I might be at the
00:37:42
end of people who had to use
00:37:43
transparencies. This was like maybe the
00:37:45
end of school.
00:37:46
>> I had transparencies in middle school.
00:37:48
>> Okay. Yeah.
00:37:50
>> That like the projector with the
00:37:52
transparent thing.
00:37:52
>> The overhead projector. That's what I
00:37:53
just said. Yeah.
00:37:54
>> The overhead projector.
00:37:55
>> Overhead. No. No overhead. It's on a
00:37:56
cart.
00:37:57
>> Yeah, it's on. But it's for some reason
00:37:59
it's called the overhead projector cuz I
00:38:00
think the mirror or whatever that's
00:38:02
above it is over top of it leads into
00:38:04
it. Yeah.
00:38:05
>> Yeah. Yeah. That thing
00:38:06
>> that was always funny when they erased
00:38:07
and it just wiped stuff all over the
00:38:09
place.
00:38:10
>> That is an evolution of slide film by
00:38:11
the way which was used specifically for
00:38:13
slides like that so they could draw on
00:38:14
it.
00:38:15
>> Anyway, stay tuned for the Neo review. I
00:38:18
do think this is Yeah, I do think this
00:38:19
is potentially one of the most
00:38:21
disruptive products of the last couple
00:38:23
of years. I think a lot of Chromebook
00:38:25
sellers and Windows laptop OEMs who have
00:38:29
been feasting in that price segment are
00:38:31
very worried about that one.
00:38:33
>> Yeah.
00:38:34
>> Um but we'll see. Can I throw one other
00:38:36
like pro of this out here which is the
00:38:37
pro to all Apple products in the US at
00:38:39
least is like
00:38:40
>> it's not a pro, it's a Neo.
00:38:41
>> Yes, I was gonna make the joke and then
00:38:42
I thought it was
00:38:46
>> No, it's just like when we're looking at
00:38:47
cheaper products that are specifically
00:38:49
not for tech people, the biggest pro of
00:38:51
me suggesting this is when it breaks on
00:38:54
you, I can tell you to go to an Apple
00:38:55
store and get it fixed and I don't have
00:38:57
to diagnose everything over the phone.
00:38:58
Like it's so much easier to just be
00:39:01
like, "Hey, you can get the help here."
00:39:03
I was thinking that because I've bought
00:39:04
my mom computers before. Like I bought
00:39:06
her like a a Chromebook before. I think,
00:39:09
"Oh, it's Chrome. It's just Chrome. She
00:39:11
can't mess it up. I was wrong." Like
00:39:13
there are just infinite ways. And you
00:39:16
know, she could just go to a store and I
00:39:18
don't have to be her son. Then I guess
00:39:20
that that you know, it's great. Anyway,
00:39:22
uh I want to make one more thing. The
00:39:24
closest like analogy to this is the
00:39:26
Surface Go. Do you guys remember that
00:39:28
computer?
00:39:29
>> Oh, they tried a Snapdragon one.
00:39:30
>> It was not Snapdragon. It was it was
00:39:32
Intel Pentium Gold 4415Y.
00:39:35
>> Bless you.
00:39:36
>> Yeah, thanks. And if you remember, Dave
00:39:38
2D just shat all over this computer cuz
00:39:40
it was so bad. And it it started at 400
00:39:44
bucks just for the tablet and then you
00:39:46
still had to buy the keyboard and the
00:39:48
pen which were more expensive. I believe
00:39:50
altogether it was probably about the
00:39:52
same price as the as this Neo device. Um
00:39:56
and it sucked. It really did. It was
00:39:58
seven years. 7 years old now obviously
00:40:00
and they made a better one that made it
00:40:02
better but it was still expensive and
00:40:04
bad.
00:40:05
So I'm just saying that look all the all
00:40:09
the tech PC channels Lionus Tech Tips
00:40:12
Lionus is is slowly like has been making
00:40:15
videos being like oh no oh no Mac is
00:40:19
better value than Windows in like almost
00:40:22
every way now. Like there is no it's
00:40:24
very hard unless you're a gamer at this
00:40:26
point to recommend yourself a Windows
00:40:30
computer. Also like
00:40:31
>> also everyone's mad at Windows so that
00:40:33
helps.
00:40:33
>> Yeah, because Microsoft is a legacy
00:40:35
corporation that doesn't Anyway, I'm
00:40:37
going to get so yelled at. But I'm just
00:40:38
saying
00:40:40
>> I'm just saying
00:40:40
>> this I for the Surface Go if you look at
00:40:42
it from the side just looks like a bad
00:40:44
math problem. There's so many angles
00:40:47
going on. the keyboard is like slightly
00:40:49
flipped up and it's got the stand and
00:40:51
like everything about this.
00:40:53
>> I don't know.
00:40:54
>> Again, it was it's seven years old. I
00:40:56
get that. Um but there just hasn't
00:40:58
really been anything except for like a
00:41:00
Chromebook that is this price and can do
00:41:03
this many things. And a lot of people,
00:41:05
especially in the United States, own
00:41:07
iPhones and the integration and all that
00:41:09
stuff. Yeah. I mean, this is a pretty
00:41:11
this is a pretty serious computer from
00:41:12
Apple. I'm still I'm very interested to
00:41:14
get it in and have us like test it and
00:41:16
play with it and see what it ends up
00:41:17
being like. But being M4 single thread
00:41:20
performance when that's what everyone
00:41:22
wants most of the time, single thread
00:41:23
performance is like,
00:41:25
>> you know,
00:41:26
>> it's just yellow, too. It's sick.
00:41:28
>> It's piss Andrew.
00:41:29
>> So good.
00:41:30
>> The silver is the best.
00:41:31
>> I want the yellow keyboard so bad.
00:41:33
>> I'm happy for you.
00:41:36
>> I think we have to take it to trivia.
00:41:37
>> Yeah. Stay tuned.
00:41:42
But first,
00:41:46
>> I messed up.
00:41:49
>> Oh,
00:41:50
>> I was so diligently researching when the
00:41:54
Galaxy Buds actually came out because it
00:41:57
was a more difficult thing to research
00:41:58
than you would expect.
00:41:58
>> You mean the Galaxy Gear Icon X?
00:42:00
>> No.
00:42:00
>> Try AI overview.
00:42:02
>> I would never try AI overview, dude.
00:42:04
Okay. AI overview almost messed me up
00:42:06
for this week, too. I spent way too much
00:42:08
of if you saw me on my phone and on my
00:42:11
on the computer. I'll Anyway, Marquez,
00:42:15
you stated yesterday that the buds came
00:42:18
out before the fold or I don't know what
00:42:20
you stated
00:42:21
>> yesterday. Last week.
00:42:22
>> Last week.
00:42:22
>> Last week.
00:42:23
>> But you said the opposite of the other
00:42:24
two boys and you were actually correct
00:42:26
and I was wrong.
00:42:29
>> Who?
00:42:30
>> I just want whoever put the comment
00:42:33
correcting them. Uh, please unsubscribe.
00:42:37
>> That was the first point David and I got
00:42:39
in what felt like weeks.
00:42:40
>> Hey man, I got another point last week.
00:42:42
>> Wow, that's a huge. So, I'm one point up
00:42:44
and y'all are both one point down.
00:42:46
That's huge.
00:42:46
>> No, I'm not.
00:42:47
>> I'm huge for the program.
00:42:49
>> I got the other question correct though,
00:42:51
so it's okay.
00:42:52
>> I know, but you both have minus one
00:42:53
point. I have plus that point now. So, I
00:42:54
mean two point spread.
00:42:56
>> I just want to say Alex Wadell who who
00:42:59
sent us that I'm blue sky.
00:43:01
>> Appreciate Sky. So you can admit we need
00:43:04
to nuke blue sky.
00:43:05
>> You can admit that there's value to blue
00:43:06
sky.
00:43:07
>> Make a waveform.
00:43:09
>> Make a waveform. Yeah. Okay. Mr.
00:43:13
>> Care. The the trivia question for this
00:43:16
week is one that I hopefully cannot get
00:43:19
wrong. So I wrote a crazy question that
00:43:21
honestly let's go for it. I will give
00:43:22
each of you one point for every tech
00:43:26
product that you can name that has the
00:43:28
word Neo in it.
00:43:30
>> Okay. Assuming MacBook Neo does not
00:43:32
count.
00:43:32
>> MacBook Neo does not count. And um and
00:43:34
the word it doesn't need to have the
00:43:36
word like a space between the Neo and
00:43:38
another thing.
00:43:38
>> It has Neo in it somewhere.
00:43:41
>> Okay.
00:43:42
>> Yeah, sure. Honestly, I don't Yeah, it
00:43:45
just has the letters Neo consecutively
00:43:47
in the product name. The reason I was
00:43:49
going to say a over mess up is because I
00:43:51
was just making sure that there were
00:43:52
enough tech products with the word Neo
00:43:54
in the name to even
00:43:55
>> product. Yeah, it has to be a tech
00:43:56
product. And tech product can be really
00:43:59
broad. Like uses electricity broad.
00:44:01
>> Oh, I know one. I don't even Oh, Nero.
00:44:03
Never mind. I don't even know.
00:44:04
>> Nope, that doesn't count as an R.
00:44:06
>> Damn.
00:44:06
>> Um, but what was really funny is that
00:44:08
when the MacBook Neo got announced, a
00:44:10
bunch of AI slot videos came out um that
00:44:13
were fake Samsung product announcements
00:44:15
for a phone called the Samsung S26 Ultra
00:44:18
Neo that doesn't exist. Just because as
00:44:21
people would Google MacBook Neo, this
00:44:23
this would also get served. Of course,
00:44:26
AI overview does not know that those are
00:44:29
that's AI slot videos. So, when you
00:44:31
Google Samsung Neo to see if that ever
00:44:33
existed, you get this really indepth
00:44:36
overview with specs of the Samsung S26
00:44:38
Ultra Neo a phone that
00:44:41
>> does not exist.
00:44:42
>> It's sloped. Now, back in our day, it
00:44:43
was just small channels making the Pixel
00:44:45
Ultra instead.
00:44:47
>> All right. Well, we will learn or we
00:44:49
will know the answers. They'll be at the
00:44:50
end like usual. We'll be right back.
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00:46:06
All right, welcome back. Let's talk
00:46:07
about Nothing. Damn, I make a pun every
00:46:10
time I talk about that company. Um,
00:46:12
nothing came out with
00:46:13
>> not say anything for a while.
00:46:14
>> Yeah, sorry I had to. But nothing's
00:46:16
coming out with three things.
00:46:18
>> Nothing phone 4 A, nothing phone 4 A
00:46:20
Pro,
00:46:21
>> and nothing phone headphones. Nothing
00:46:24
phone Nothing Headphones A. Nothing a
00:46:25
headphones
00:46:26
>> headphones A.
00:46:27
>> Headphones A.
00:46:27
>> Headphones parenthesis A.
00:46:29
>> Yeah. God. Close. Their naming is still
00:46:31
kind of tough, not going to lie.
00:46:32
Nothing's a weird name for a company.
00:46:34
>> It is.
00:46:35
>> Anyway, so the 4A is the the one that
00:46:38
most of us are interested in. It's a 350
00:46:41
pound aka
00:46:43
>> that's a really heavy phone. I know that
00:46:45
was a joke. Uh $350ish phone. Uh coming
00:46:48
out in a bunch of markets. I think it's
00:46:50
this is the one that's going global. Uh
00:46:52
new design.
00:46:53
>> Wait, which one? The 4A is UK, Europe,
00:46:56
India.
00:46:56
>> Okay. So, the 4A Pro is a global one.
00:46:59
>> It uh 4A is in those markets, I guess.
00:47:02
>> Um blue and black. Yeah, it's a slight
00:47:05
spec bump. It's got a couple new
00:47:06
interesting things. Uh, I think people
00:47:09
in this room have called it the best
00:47:10
looking nothing phone ever
00:47:13
last week.
00:47:14
>> It's got pink. Do you still feel that
00:47:16
way? I need to look at it again.
00:47:17
>> I'll go It's hard to say compared to the
00:47:20
Pro. The Pro looks really nice, but not
00:47:23
in the colors. Just the regular silver
00:47:26
Pro looks really nice. The
00:47:28
>> um I I think 4a is still nicer looking.
00:47:31
>> 4a I think is a more general nicel
00:47:33
looking phone. The 4A Pro is really cool
00:47:37
and kind of almost gamey but in like a a
00:47:40
subtle way.
00:47:41
>> Well, I don't we get to that soon.
00:47:43
>> Yeah, I think Yeah, true. So, I guess
00:47:46
I'll just jump into the specs of the
00:47:47
real quick though, but last week we only
00:47:49
talked about the pink and the white.
00:47:51
There's also a blue and a black one. So,
00:47:53
there's four colors for
00:47:54
>> the blue looks good, too.
00:47:55
>> The blue looks really nice.
00:47:56
>> Yeah. So, this is running a Snapdragon
00:47:59
7S Gen 4. It has a 580 millah battery
00:48:03
with 50 watt charging, uh, IP64, a
00:48:06
pretty bright display. It says 4500 nits
00:48:08
peak brightness. I almost never know
00:48:10
what to make of that. I kind of want to
00:48:11
know just what the regular
00:48:12
>> 4500.
00:48:13
>> Yeah. Like then peak HDR. Like one pixel
00:48:15
will be at 4500 nits and then you can
00:48:16
put that number on the spec sheet, but I
00:48:18
don't know.
00:48:18
>> One of the glyph LEDs on the back.
00:48:20
>> Yeah. Uh, Gorilla Glass 7i. Uh, it's got
00:48:24
triple cameras. It's got a pretty good
00:48:27
looking set of specs for a phone that is
00:48:29
this cheap. I have a question for the
00:48:32
audience that maybe you guys can answer.
00:48:34
>> People still seem to care about
00:48:36
processors.
00:48:38
>> Yes.
00:48:38
>> Hard stop. And I I understand the gaming
00:48:41
aspect of it, I suppose. Um although I'm
00:48:44
not really sure what mobile optimized
00:48:46
games don't run at high frame rates
00:48:48
anymore.
00:48:49
>> Maybe like Genchin Impact or something.
00:48:51
That seems to be the the benchmark. But
00:48:53
I still see people caring about the
00:48:55
processors and I'm like, if it if the
00:48:57
processor is lower tier, quote unquote,
00:49:00
but it enables things like super bright
00:49:03
uh 120 Hz, 50 watt charging, like all
00:49:05
this stuff, why do you care? This is my
00:49:07
question.
00:49:08
>> Yeah, great question. I think this is
00:49:11
another thing where in the bubble that
00:49:13
we're in of people overanalyzing every
00:49:15
little detail about a phone, like the
00:49:17
enthusiasts, they care about getting the
00:49:19
most for their money.
00:49:21
slightly better.
00:49:32
>> But who are just more casually shopping,
00:49:34
they are not thinking about the
00:49:35
difference between the Snapdragon 8
00:49:36
Elite or the Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 5 or
00:49:39
the Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 5 for Galaxy.
00:49:42
Like, they're all a good chip and the
00:49:44
phone performs well.
00:49:46
>> Therefore, I'm not getting ripped off.
00:49:48
>> I I agree with you. I use a tensor chip,
00:49:51
so clearly I don't give a about
00:49:53
performance. Um, but I think like what
00:49:55
Marquez said in like this more range of
00:49:57
things when you're probably cross
00:49:59
shopping, if I'm looking at two phones
00:50:01
at the same price and one chip is
00:50:03
better, then I'm probably going to go
00:50:04
that for the longevity route. That's
00:50:06
when I
00:50:07
>> I'm hoping that's when people care about
00:50:09
it more so here. But I also,
00:50:12
>> as much as I love speaking for the
00:50:13
audience, I'm probably wrong when I do
00:50:15
it.
00:50:16
>> There's two audiences. I think it's less
00:50:18
like the people that care about the
00:50:19
frame rates on the newest game. It's
00:50:21
more so how long will this phone last
00:50:23
me? I'm spending like $500, $600 after
00:50:26
taxes. Like I want it to last a while.
00:50:28
>> Well, Apple would say that rowing at a
00:50:30
lower clock speed actually makes the
00:50:31
phone last longer, which is why they
00:50:33
force lower clock speeds, but they can't
00:50:34
really do anymore.
00:50:35
>> I think that's a perfect example of the
00:50:37
two different audiences. There's one
00:50:38
audience who's like, "How dare you? I
00:50:40
want the highest clock speed so I have
00:50:42
every single frame with the maximum
00:50:43
performance."
00:50:44
>> And then there's the other audience
00:50:47
Then there's the other audience who
00:50:48
wants just the phone, hey, it works, so
00:50:50
make it last as long as possible. So, if
00:50:52
you were in the first bucket who's like,
00:50:53
I want to maximize and get the best
00:50:55
possible performance. Especially when
00:50:56
you're buying a higherend phone, I think
00:50:57
it makes way more sense to pixel peep
00:50:59
and to really want the most out of your
00:51:01
phone, then that makes sense. But if
00:51:03
you're buying a $350 phone and it just
00:51:05
works and especially with I think
00:51:07
nothing software is pretty good, like
00:51:09
it's smooth enough. I don't think it
00:51:10
would even feel that different on a
00:51:12
Snapdragon 8 Elite versus a 7S Gen 4.
00:51:14
>> Yeah.
00:51:15
>> So, it's like Yeah. As long as it lasts
00:51:16
me a couple years and doesn't fall
00:51:18
apart, seems like it's a good enough
00:51:21
chip.
00:51:21
>> Yeah. Yeah. What do I mean? So, that's
00:51:23
the regular 3, the 4A, and we also got
00:51:26
the 4A Pro, which I have to say like got
00:51:28
announced this morning. Um, you probably
00:51:31
got some early stuff about it, but
00:51:33
>> I did not know anything about it. It
00:51:35
didn't leak online. This has got to be
00:51:37
one of the first tech launches that
00:51:39
hasn't leaked.
00:51:40
>> They played us
00:51:41
>> a very long time. I feel like they the
00:51:44
design video last week was to be like
00:51:47
>> look over here.
00:51:48
>> Yeah. Yeah. They literally like
00:51:50
>> slide them in.
00:51:51
>> Yeah.
00:51:52
>> And they did a good job at it. Yeah.
00:51:53
This morning I came in I was like we
00:51:55
have a lot to talk about the pot. I have
00:51:56
a lot to write this morning cuz we also
00:51:58
had to shoot S26 review. And then I sit
00:52:00
down and there's two new nothing
00:52:01
products I didn't know about. I was
00:52:02
like, "Oh my god,
00:52:03
>> we didn't know about it." Technically
00:52:05
Marquez told us last week.
00:52:06
>> Marquez did not tell me about I asked
00:52:09
earlier
00:52:09
>> on the podcast. I left it in the edit.
00:52:12
>> He did ask, "Is there a 4A pro?" And I
00:52:15
was like, "Yeah, probably."
00:52:18
>> He said, "Yeah, but I thought you were
00:52:19
just speculating."
00:52:21
>> Why are you hiding from us, Mark?
00:52:23
>> Well, I only say what I'm allowed to
00:52:24
say.
00:52:25
>> Earlier this week, I said,
00:52:26
>> "Hey, I need to I'm writing podcast. Can
00:52:28
you send me the 4A specs so I can write
00:52:30
it down?" You're like, "Sure." And
00:52:32
didn't send the Pro or the headphones.
00:52:35
>> Well, I didn't get the 4A Pro info. That
00:52:37
was the thing. So, so, uh, so the event
00:52:39
was in London the literal hours after
00:52:43
the Apple event in New York, so I
00:52:45
couldn't physically be at both. So, I
00:52:47
made the decision to see the six Apple
00:52:48
devices in New York, and I wasn't able
00:52:50
to teleport to London fast enough to
00:52:52
also see the 4A Pro.
00:52:53
>> Bummer.
00:52:53
>> Um,
00:52:54
>> dude, what's wrong with you?
00:52:55
>> Yeah, I couldn't there. I actually
00:52:57
looked. I was like, is there a flight
00:52:58
that takes off and gets me there at like
00:53:01
3:00 in the morning so I can just show
00:53:03
up and make a video? But no, there there
00:53:04
were no flights I could make that
00:53:05
happen.
00:53:06
Um,
00:53:08
>> do not cutting that.
00:53:10
>> Why?
00:53:11
>> Cuz that's not real.
00:53:13
>> We talked about it though.
00:53:15
>> That is not coming out. Are you kidding?
00:53:17
>> That's why we couldn't take it. That's
00:53:18
why we couldn't fly on it.
00:53:19
>> That's true.
00:53:20
>> Yeah. No, that
00:53:21
>> But yeah. So anyway, this this stuff was
00:53:24
uh was sort of held in in London for us
00:53:26
to see from those who are actually there
00:53:28
with cameras. Yeah.
00:53:29
>> And it looks pretty good. The specs also
00:53:31
look pretty good. So the 4a Pro again,
00:53:33
it's a 4a pro, not a not a full
00:53:34
flagship. It's not a 4.
00:53:36
>> So, because it's a 4A
00:53:39
Pro, it's got a Snapdragon 7 Gen 4 chip.
00:53:42
>> Going to kill myself.
00:53:43
>> I think this is just them coping that
00:53:44
it's like, hey, if you want to put a
00:53:46
mid-range chip in this, you can't call
00:53:48
it a flagship. If this was a Snapdragon
00:53:50
8 Elite, then they could call it a
00:53:52
flagship. But since it's not, all right,
00:53:54
we have to call it the A Pro instead of
00:53:56
the flagship. Fine.
00:53:57
>> So, Snapdragon 7 Gen 4, uh, 6.83 in
00:54:00
AMOLED. It's a 120 Hz display, but it
00:54:02
will sometimes get to 144 hertz
00:54:04
depending on the app. Kind of similar to
00:54:05
some other gaming phones have.
00:54:07
>> Okay.
00:54:07
>> Um, 5,000 nit peak brightness, which
00:54:09
means nothing to me. 5,000 mAh battery,
00:54:12
50 watt charging, triple cameras again.
00:54:15
Better cameras though than the 4a. So,
00:54:17
>> and better looking. It's got the glyph
00:54:19
on the back. It's got a
00:54:20
>> It's got the Nothing Phone 3 like little
00:54:24
display thing.
00:54:25
>> Yeah. In a better way. So, like it, if
00:54:28
you haven't seen it yet, it is an all
00:54:29
metal body, which is
00:54:31
>> awesome. Beautiful except for wireless
00:54:33
charging it cuz it doesn't have that cuz
00:54:34
it can't
00:54:35
>> Oh, I didn't even think of that.
00:54:36
>> Yeah.
00:54:36
>> Poo poo. Um, it has like a large camera
00:54:39
bump similar to an iPhone in terms of
00:54:42
footprint, but this is proof that you
00:54:44
can do that like everyone else and make
00:54:45
it unique because this is actually
00:54:47
sweet. Essentially, one main camera, top
00:54:49
left corner, dual camera, what are we
00:54:52
calling them again? Pills.
00:54:54
>> The pill.
00:54:54
>> The bean. the bean. We got a bean, a
00:54:57
double camera bean under that
00:54:59
horizontally. Then to the right of that,
00:55:01
a large circle glyph interface, which I
00:55:03
believe has 137 mini LEDs, is 57% larger
00:55:07
and twice as bright compared to the
00:55:09
phone 3 glyph interface.
00:55:11
>> Wow. Yeah.
00:55:12
>> And we still have the red recording LED
00:55:15
on it because that should be on every
00:55:17
single phone ever.
00:55:18
>> Yes. But then encased in that is a full
00:55:22
metal silver pink or black body and it
00:55:25
looks great. It also has the
00:55:26
>> cooking over there. It looks
00:55:27
>> has like the little circular like indent
00:55:30
on the bottom that matches the new uh
00:55:32
pixel buds I or uh sorry not not pixel
00:55:35
buds nothing buds feels like that thing.
00:55:38
>> Yeah, it matches all together really
00:55:39
well. Although the pink I will say um
00:55:43
okay so like in the camera bar it is
00:55:45
color matched on the silver and it's
00:55:47
color matched on the black but the pink
00:55:49
is still silver so it looks really weird
00:55:51
>> actually
00:55:52
>> I kind of wish that they made that pink
00:55:55
>> here's my problem is look at this
00:55:56
picture on the verge that looks
00:55:59
>> this is the black phone but looks like a
00:56:01
silver camera bump and the black metal
00:56:04
looks like it got like plasti dipped
00:56:05
instead of like
00:56:06
>> the silver version of this phone is the
00:56:08
best looking
00:56:09
>> 100% %
00:56:09
>> it looks great.
00:56:10
>> Yeah,
00:56:10
>> I will say like I miss the HTC full
00:56:13
metal body phones and um if you're not
00:56:15
going to have wireless charging, which I
00:56:17
still really love wireless charging,
00:56:18
>> all metal is pretty awesome. I'm curious
00:56:21
about uh heat and how that ends up
00:56:24
working out. Maybe because this chipset
00:56:26
is, you know, a little bit lower
00:56:28
performance, it's not going to get as
00:56:29
hot.
00:56:30
>> Is there a vapor chamber in there?
00:56:31
>> Uh probably.
00:56:32
>> I don't actually know.
00:56:33
>> I don't know. I don't know. The renders
00:56:35
might look better than these in person.
00:56:37
I'm very curious to see them in person.
00:56:39
Um, it's definitely more gamey than
00:56:43
their other devices.
00:56:44
>> It's a little more I don't know. I'm not
00:56:46
getting gamey as much as I'm getting
00:56:47
like R2-D2.
00:56:49
>> Yeah, like a little playful pill
00:56:52
morphing type.
00:56:53
>> It feels like a phone that they took the
00:56:55
nothing buds and just put it in the
00:56:56
camera bump. Like that's where all the
00:56:58
nothing design aesthetic is. The clear
00:57:01
and kind of like red accent and
00:57:03
whatever. And then there is a little bit
00:57:04
at the bottom, but I kind of dig it
00:57:07
because it's not trying too hard while
00:57:09
also trying too hard.
00:57:10
>> Yeah.
00:57:10
>> Which is a hard thing to do.
00:57:11
>> Do I see the price yet?
00:57:12
>> $4.99.
00:57:13
>> $4.99. So not
00:57:15
>> flagship price. I think pretty good
00:57:17
price actually.
00:57:18
>> It's cheaper than the Pixel.
00:57:20
>> It is interesting though because it's
00:57:22
>> $4.99 USD, £499, and £479, which if you
00:57:26
do the They've done this before where
00:57:28
like they match the price, but when you
00:57:30
do conversion rates on that is wildly
00:57:32
different. Yeah, it's a better
00:57:34
>> It's the same price as the Pixel 10a,
00:57:35
right?
00:57:36
>> Uh $4.99.
00:57:38
>> Yeah.
00:57:38
>> While you guys are looking, my favorite
00:57:39
thing about the video was it says
00:57:41
world's first 140x zoom asterisk and
00:57:44
then says claims are based on publicly
00:57:45
available data at launch,
00:57:47
>> which I think is the claim that it's the
00:57:49
world's first 140x zoom,
00:57:52
>> which again just
00:57:54
>> it's going to look really bad. If you
00:57:55
zoom into 140x, what are you doing?
00:57:57
>> Have you watched the video?
00:57:59
>> No. Even when it zooms in on the like
00:58:02
perfectly rendered video of everything,
00:58:04
the safe looks terrible.
00:58:06
>> Yeah.
00:58:06
>> Yeah. I mean, yeah. Hey, at least
00:58:08
they're honest.
00:58:08
>> Here, real quick. It's $4.99 for the 8
00:58:10
gigs of RAM, 128 storage, another $100
00:58:13
for the 12 gigs of RAM, 256 storage.
00:58:16
Those are the only two options.
00:58:17
>> Just do a,000x and just make it look
00:58:19
really bad.
00:58:20
>> Yeah. What's stopping you from going to
00:58:21
2,000?
00:58:21
>> Yeah, exactly. You could just brand it
00:58:23
that way. 2000X Zoom.
00:58:24
>> World's first.
00:58:25
>> World's first.
00:58:26
>> Yeah.
00:58:27
>> Um, yeah. I think it looks pretty good.
00:58:29
I think the nothing uh design team has
00:58:32
been really cooking recently.
00:58:34
>> I think they also did the thing where
00:58:35
they kind of uh made the previous stuff
00:58:38
worse so that we'd go, "Wow, they cooked
00:58:40
this time. Look at the improvement."
00:58:41
Probably not.
00:58:42
>> I mean made it worse
00:58:44
>> like how the iPhone 16 was so bad that
00:58:46
when the 17e was what it should have
00:58:48
been, we were like, "Wow, they really
00:58:49
cooked."
00:58:50
>> Is that Can you do that with design or
00:58:52
is it just they tried?
00:58:53
>> It depends how quickly you you have
00:58:55
turnaround. Like we hated the three.
00:58:57
>> We hated the three but not the 3a. So I
00:58:59
guess that depends on there is like
00:59:01
>> I mean the analogy I'm making for the
00:59:03
17e is to to the 16e is the iPhone 12
00:59:06
mini to the 13 mini because the primary
00:59:09
problem was the battery and that's the
00:59:11
primary thing they addressed in the next
00:59:12
one.
00:59:13
>> Yeah.
00:59:13
>> And with this one the primary problem
00:59:15
was the lack of wireless charging and
00:59:17
the storage. Right. For the price
00:59:20
>> versus the 3a pro.
00:59:22
>> I was talking about the 16 in.
00:59:23
>> Oh the iPhone. Yeah.
00:59:25
So now with this,
00:59:27
>> I think this is more analogous to the 3
00:59:29
than the the yeah the 3A
00:59:32
>> because it uses the same kind of glyph
00:59:34
interface even though it's bigger and
00:59:36
better now apparently. Um it the 3 still
00:59:39
had a chipset that people were not that
00:59:40
happy with.
00:59:41
>> It was also super expensive.
00:59:42
>> It was also super Yeah. Like I don't see
00:59:45
a reason anyone would buy the 3 when the
00:59:47
3a Pro exists, which is kind of funny. I
00:59:49
feel like maybe they should have just
00:59:50
called this the 3 Pro, but I guess they
00:59:52
couldn't because the chipset is
00:59:53
technically not as good. I just hate
00:59:55
this is the thing. This is my thing. Why
00:59:57
does everything rotate around the
00:59:58
freaking chipset?
00:59:59
>> Because of the super super like the
01:00:01
nerds among us would be like, "Are you
01:00:03
seriously making a new flagship with a
01:00:06
worse chip?"
01:00:07
>> Yeah, but like
01:00:08
>> we've all said it and we've all done it.
01:00:09
Also,
01:00:10
>> it's like they can't they cannot name
01:00:12
this a flagship because everyone will
01:00:14
say that about them. So they have to
01:00:15
leverage this naming scheme of like,
01:00:17
okay, it's not the A because the A was
01:00:19
the 4A, but it is better than the 4A,
01:00:21
but it's not a flagship chip. So we'll
01:00:23
call it the 4A Pro. That's how they get
01:00:25
away with this specific set of specs and
01:00:28
this price. And when they inevitably try
01:00:30
a flagship sometime later, all of us
01:00:32
nerds will go, "Well, you better put a
01:00:34
flagship chip in it, otherwise I'll
01:00:35
spend my money on something else with a
01:00:37
flagship chip."
01:00:37
>> Can't wait for the CMF Phone 3 Pro Light
01:00:39
that is better than a Nothing Pro 4A.
01:00:42
>> Yeah, it'll be tough.
01:00:44
>> Yeah. Yeah,
01:00:45
>> I think they did a great design.
01:00:46
>> I love this phone. I didn't know what I
01:00:48
didn't even think of no wireless
01:00:49
charging though. That makes me sad.
01:00:51
>> It makes me sad. But
01:00:53
>> I don't know if you're not going to I
01:00:55
mean I want it for sure. I always want
01:00:56
it.
01:00:57
>> But if you if you're not going to do it,
01:01:00
metal body is sick.
01:01:01
>> True.
01:01:02
>> Cuz I miss my HTC Thunderbolt even
01:01:03
though it burned my hand.
01:01:05
>> What about There's so many better metal
01:01:06
phones you could
01:01:08
>> The HTC Thunderbolt.
01:01:09
>> The Thunderbolt was the worst one.
01:01:10
>> It had What are you talking about?
01:01:12
Thunderbolt was the worst battery life
01:01:13
of any phone I've ever used.
01:01:14
>> Yes, I agree.
01:01:16
>> They were like, "Let's do 4G and then
01:01:17
burn it to the ground." What about the
01:01:19
HTC1 or the HTC 1 M78? I guess. Yeah,
01:01:24
those are more light.
01:01:25
>> Google Play Edition.
01:01:26
>> I know.
01:01:26
>> Those phones were
01:01:27
>> Nexus 6P.
01:01:29
>> Yeah.
01:01:29
>> Yeah, we had good
01:01:30
>> Oh, Nexus 6P.
01:01:31
>> Good metal phones did exist.
01:01:33
>> Yeah, I guess. Yeah, I only made that.
01:01:35
It was my first smartphone, so I guess
01:01:36
that's why. Yeah,
01:01:37
>> you didn't know better.
01:01:38
>> Yeah. Yeah, I didn't. Well, they didn't
01:01:40
have anything better at the time.
01:01:42
>> Yeah. So, they also made headphones.
01:01:44
Nothing headphones A.
01:01:45
>> Yeah.
01:01:45
>> So, now they have two tiers of
01:01:47
headphones. Again, we can assume based
01:01:48
on the name that the headphones A, A
01:01:50
again, I haven't tested them. I'm seeing
01:01:51
the design and the $100 lower price. We
01:01:53
assume that this is a slightly lowerend
01:01:55
set of headphones, but it still has all
01:01:58
the nothing design philosophy. There's
01:01:59
some colors as well.
01:02:01
>> Yeah.
01:02:01
>> Um, they still have some of those clever
01:02:03
buttons, too, that the original Nothing
01:02:05
headphones had. I think a lot of people
01:02:06
forgot how interesting the Nothing
01:02:08
Headphones were. They had like a paddle.
01:02:11
Yeah. Okay. So, you know, they have the
01:02:12
paddle, they have the roller as well
01:02:14
>> and the software that talks to them. So,
01:02:16
these headphones still have a lot of
01:02:17
that stuff and they have uh seems like a
01:02:20
pretty decent Well, eight hours of
01:02:22
playback. Oh, in 5 minutes of charging.
01:02:24
Sorry. We don't know what the battery
01:02:25
life is totally.
01:02:26
>> Five day battery lasts for 5 days, which
01:02:29
could mean a billion different.
01:02:30
>> How many hours of playback? This is the
01:02:32
one thing.
01:02:32
>> The battery literally dies after 5 days
01:02:34
and you cannot use can't charge it.
01:02:36
Yeah, you I guess that's a mixed use
01:02:38
stat, but like with headphones, you can
01:02:39
just be like, I turned them on. I hit
01:02:41
play. When did they die?
01:02:42
>> Yeah,
01:02:43
>> that would be a useful number.
01:02:44
>> These, in my opinion, look significantly
01:02:46
worse than the headphones.
01:02:47
>> I think I kind of like them more than
01:02:49
the regular nothing headphones.
01:02:51
>> I think I just like the clear part on
01:02:53
the out. So, it's if you remember the
01:02:55
other nothing headphones,
01:02:57
>> they're square and circle. Square
01:02:59
outside, circle bump on the inside. This
01:03:01
time
01:03:02
>> says two.
01:03:02
>> Yeah. Yeah. But the circle part on the
01:03:04
nothing ones, the headphone ones is
01:03:06
where the clearness is.
01:03:08
>> And then on this, the circle part on top
01:03:10
of the square is where the color is. And
01:03:13
the clear part's the square.
01:03:14
>> I just think it looks
01:03:15
>> So it's like opposite. Um I think it's
01:03:17
just trying to do less.
01:03:19
>> Yeah, but it looks way cheaper in my
01:03:22
opinion.
01:03:22
>> I mean, I think both of them look pretty
01:03:24
cheap.
01:03:25
>> Uh
01:03:26
>> I don't really love either of them. I
01:03:27
love my Nothing earbuds. I will say I I
01:03:30
wear I use the Nothing headphone ones
01:03:32
pretty much every day because I've been
01:03:33
using them as ear muffs. Um
01:03:35
>> Well, you just use them because those
01:03:36
Stranger Things guys use them.
01:03:38
>> Yeah, they're fashionable.
01:03:40
>> No, but I get stopped by a lot of people
01:03:41
asking me what they are and people are
01:03:43
like, "Oh, it's cool. It look it looks
01:03:44
like a cassette tape inside. It looks
01:03:45
like and then they put their AirPods
01:03:47
back in and walks bad cuz it's glossy."
01:03:50
>> I disagree. The black is the way to go
01:03:52
because they're so minimal.
01:03:53
>> You can see the fingerprints so much
01:03:55
more.
01:03:55
>> Yeah, but no one knows you're wearing a
01:03:57
crazy pair of headphones. The white ones
01:03:58
are like, "Woo, I'm here." The same way
01:04:00
with all these colorful ones. It's like
01:04:02
there's so pick me energy. The black
01:04:04
ones are the ones
01:04:05
>> you are all you just the color doesn't
01:04:07
change the pick me energy on these
01:04:08
headphones.
01:04:09
>> I disagree. I think it totally does.
01:04:11
>> Bro, I don't know. I think we're all
01:04:13
contributing to phone companies only
01:04:15
releasing black and white at the moment.
01:04:18
>> These are four different colors.
01:04:19
>> Look at You're telling me.
01:04:20
>> No, it looks beautiful. I just would
01:04:22
never wear them in public because it's
01:04:23
like going to get double takes. Like
01:04:25
people are going to look at you and then
01:04:26
look away and then be like, "Wait, what
01:04:27
are those?"
01:04:28
>> Cuz how bright they are.
01:04:29
>> The black ones are just headphones.
01:04:30
People will look at you and be like,
01:04:31
"Oh, he's wearing headphones."
01:04:32
>> But you really think that the A looks
01:04:33
better.
01:04:34
>> Uh yeah,
01:04:35
>> they look like nothing.
01:04:37
>> I kind of one pun. Uh
01:04:39
>> oh my god. Their website is
01:04:41
>> infuriating. Oh god. Okay. What I didn't
01:04:43
even know was that there's four colors.
01:04:47
>> Oh my god. What is that? Holy m Show
01:04:50
Adam. Okay. saw.
01:04:53
You haven't seen the yellow.
01:04:53
>> The yellow and pink are just in the
01:04:55
>> So, that's what I'm saying. They're just
01:04:56
in the center.
01:04:57
>> The yellow and the pink ones. I think I
01:04:59
like the colors, but I do not like the
01:05:01
headphones.
01:05:01
>> They look so bad.
01:05:02
>> The white and black ones are fine.
01:05:04
>> They're unbelievably ugly.
01:05:06
>> Also, I just want to say I just went to
01:05:08
the PC Mag website where they have an
01:05:10
article about these headphones and
01:05:12
they're saying the 5day battery life is
01:05:14
135 hours straight of play time.
01:05:17
>> That's what it says on the Verge, too.
01:05:19
>> So, cont die in 5 days.
01:05:23
>> Just for context, a normal I does this
01:05:26
have ANC is the other question.
01:05:27
>> Yes, it does.
01:05:28
>> So, a normal ANC set of headphones
01:05:30
flagships are getting 30 40 the really
01:05:33
good ones 50 and in some insane cases 70
01:05:37
to 80. Like I think the Dyson headphones
01:05:38
had a crazy big battery and did 80.
01:05:41
135 is unheard of for A&C headphones.
01:05:44
>> That does seem like a lot.
01:05:45
>> I need to investigate.
01:05:46
>> That's only with the AAC codec though.
01:05:48
If you as soon as you switch to LDAC or
01:05:49
any other lossless thing that it has
01:05:50
built in, you're going to cut that in.
01:05:52
>> Yeah.
01:05:53
>> So they cherry picked 135 hours with the
01:05:56
lesser codec and ANC off. That's how
01:05:57
they got this number.
01:05:58
>> If you do LDAC and ANC on, it's 62.
01:06:01
>> Oh, that's okay. That see how the
01:06:03
context makes more. Okay. That that
01:06:05
Okay, got it.
01:06:06
>> Yeah. So if you're willing to have it
01:06:09
sound like ass, then you can get a lot
01:06:11
better.
01:06:12
>> Hot. You can't tell.
01:06:14
>> You David, I guarantee you you cannot
01:06:16
tell.
01:06:16
>> I know. Okay. I've been pumping AAC into
01:06:18
your headphones this whole time. You
01:06:19
have no clue.
01:06:21
>> Sound like ass. You You're listening to
01:06:23
a AAC in your headphones right now.
01:06:25
David,
01:06:26
>> I almost brought this and I wish I did.
01:06:28
>> I'm kidding.
01:06:28
>> Fender released a bunch of new stuff
01:06:31
recently. They I don't know if you
01:06:32
remember this. A year and a half ago,
01:06:34
you had me take a Fender briefing for
01:06:36
you. These guys?
01:06:38
>> Yeah.
01:06:38
>> Okay. And they released
01:06:41
>> My cousin just did air guitar.
01:06:42
>> Air guitar.
01:06:43
>> I've heard of Fender. They were
01:06:44
announcing like new headphones and some
01:06:47
new speakers like wireless speakers that
01:06:49
are also amps
01:06:51
>> and they got bought by by a like a
01:06:54
Chinese company or something and they
01:06:55
decided to make the brand like way
01:06:56
better and they sent a year and a half
01:06:59
ago is when I had this briefing and then
01:07:01
yesterday on my front porch arrives an
01:07:05
enormous box
01:07:07
enormous like huge and I was like what
01:07:10
the hell is this and one of them was a
01:07:12
pair of headphones wireless ireless
01:07:14
headphones from Fender.
01:07:15
>> And inside of the left ear cup, they
01:07:17
have a dongle, a USBC dongle that you
01:07:20
plug into any device, and it allows you
01:07:21
to do uh it allows you to do lossless
01:07:24
audio.
01:07:25
>> When you say inside the ear cup, you
01:07:27
mean like
01:07:28
>> like you take the you take the ear plush
01:07:31
thing off and then there's a dongle
01:07:33
inside that you can take out and you can
01:07:35
put it in your laptop or in your phone.
01:07:38
>> Okay.
01:07:38
>> And it allows you to listen to lossless
01:07:41
audio. Oh,
01:07:43
>> and there's three modes. There's like
01:07:44
there's like AAC, there's lossless, and
01:07:46
then there's um OraCast, which allows
01:07:48
you to basically transmit the same
01:07:51
signal like audio signal to multiple
01:07:53
headphones.
01:07:53
>> It's actually kind of interesting.
01:07:54
>> It's interesting. And then they they're
01:07:56
also insanely repairable. Like the other
01:07:58
side has a you can take this off and
01:08:00
replace the battery. Like they're sort
01:08:01
of trying to be like the Fairphone
01:08:04
headphones, the Fairbuds XL in a lot of
01:08:07
ways. Um why did I bring this up? I
01:08:10
brought this up related to these
01:08:11
headphones for a reason.
01:08:13
>> Is it because they're lossless and
01:08:14
wireless battery life?
01:08:15
>> Because of the audio codec
01:08:17
>> because why you talked about it?
01:08:18
>> I guess just wanted to flex on us, man.
01:08:21
>> No, I a possible embargo.
01:08:24
>> Cuz he's wearing the white headphones
01:08:26
all the time. So
01:08:27
>> I had a reason for this. Well, anyway,
01:08:30
that it was interesting. I'll bring it
01:08:31
in next week. I'll show you.
01:08:32
>> Sure. I'll show you.
01:08:33
>> That's cool. That's kind of like Yeah.
01:08:34
You can do Bluetooth on the MXM 4S or
01:08:36
you can plug in the dongle and get like
01:08:37
a connection.
01:08:38
>> Right. Right. Right. All right. So, it
01:08:40
was interesting.
01:08:40
>> I got something to say.
01:08:41
>> Say it. Say it.
01:08:43
>> Last time we talked about the Nothing
01:08:44
headphones, like when they came out and
01:08:45
I wore them on the podcast and I was
01:08:47
just sort of like, "Come on, guys. Who
01:08:49
cares?" You know, I sort of gave him I
01:08:51
have revised that opinion
01:08:54
because I personally feel that the
01:08:59
wireless overhear ANC headphone space
01:09:04
since that conversation has turned into
01:09:07
such garbage.
01:09:09
um that actually I find myself
01:09:11
recommending the nothing over your
01:09:13
headphones more than most other things.
01:09:16
>> They're 500 bucks.
01:09:17
>> They're 300 bucks.
01:09:18
>> Oh.
01:09:18
>> And that and that's so that's the first
01:09:20
reason is that most things in this space
01:09:23
are like crazy overpriced. The
01:09:26
headphones that I use every day, the
01:09:27
Focal Batiste,
01:09:28
>> I mean
01:09:29
>> dummy overpriced.
01:09:30
>> Sure. But that's like
01:09:32
>> my Maserati
01:09:34
the Wilkins like PX8 whatever
01:09:38
>> those are like
01:09:39
>> way overpriced. They do not sound
01:09:42
significantly better than these.
01:09:44
>> Yeah.
01:09:44
>> I think
01:09:46
>> every single year the Sony WHX whatever
01:09:49
sound progressively worse and worse. And
01:09:51
like the newest ones, whatever number
01:09:53
we're on, I just think are like
01:09:54
borderline unlistable. They sound so
01:09:56
bad.
01:09:56
>> Wa. That's a hotter take.
01:09:59
>> That's a hot take. I they sound he's
01:10:00
been whiner.
01:10:01
>> I consistently choose them over AirPods
01:10:03
Max despite the worst connectivity cuz I
01:10:05
think they sound
01:10:05
>> I think if you're looking You think they
01:10:07
sound better than AirPods for flying? I
01:10:10
think
01:10:11
>> well we got to talk about that because
01:10:13
that doesn't even the to me the the the
01:10:16
Sony's are so midforward and they have
01:10:19
so much distortion in the mids that if
01:10:22
you're trying to use them for like any
01:10:24
sort of clinical listening they're like
01:10:26
it's it's the equivalent of like rubbing
01:10:28
Vaseline on a lens like
01:10:30
>> for clinical listening.
01:10:31
>> Yeah. Is that your problem?
01:10:32
>> Like a doctor podcast.
01:10:33
>> No no no no no. Like if you were trying
01:10:35
to like if you were trying to like
01:10:36
listen to something and be like does
01:10:38
this sound right, you know what I mean?
01:10:40
For any sort of like obviously like I'm
01:10:43
coming at this from a different thing,
01:10:44
but like I don't I I don't enjoy
01:10:46
listening to them.
01:10:46
>> I think you enjoy listening to music
01:10:47
differently than people.
01:10:50
>> Sure. I think the Sony's probably sound
01:10:51
excit Anyway, what I'm trying to say is
01:10:53
like for the money
01:10:55
>> Yeah.
01:10:56
>> and expensive, too.
01:10:57
>> For the for the money and the feature
01:10:58
set, I think that nothing's actually
01:11:00
like some one of the most competitive
01:11:02
offerings. And you know something really
01:11:03
funny cuz I obviously get asked way too
01:11:05
often like what headphones should I buy
01:11:08
>> and so I've been recommending the
01:11:09
nothings more and more and more and I
01:11:11
have not gotten a single person to buy
01:11:12
them. Oh, interesting.
01:11:14
>> Because of the aesthetic, the way they
01:11:15
look,
01:11:16
>> every single person I've been like, I
01:11:17
think this is the best bang for like
01:11:20
>> also because like Bose quality, like the
01:11:22
obviously the noise cancelling Bose
01:11:24
offers is still like really really
01:11:25
terrific, but like sound quality, I
01:11:27
can't really say the quiet comforts
01:11:28
aren't super competitive anymore. So,
01:11:31
it's like yeah, like this is kind of
01:11:33
kind of the jam and no one wants the
01:11:35
Nothing.
01:11:36
>> The two thing I hate about the Nothing
01:11:37
headphones is that the ANC basically
01:11:39
does not exist. like is it is a feature
01:11:42
that I don't hear it almost at all.
01:11:45
>> The the Bowowers and Wilkins are the
01:11:46
same way and the Focals are the same way
01:11:48
and those are both twice the price.
01:11:49
>> Okay. So, it's like
01:11:50
>> the I don't love the audio quality on
01:11:52
the Nothing headphones either. It kind
01:11:53
of it feels like everything is like a
01:11:55
very it's like it feels like it's trying
01:11:57
to force like a spatial audio thing all
01:12:00
the time. Okay. And you can't turn it
01:12:02
off.
01:12:02
>> If there is a sometimes they do have the
01:12:04
nothing that's on.
01:12:05
>> Maybe it's in the nothing. probably
01:12:07
>> I feel like with the nothings it's like
01:12:09
you get clear highs that are not
01:12:12
piercing. You get clear mids that are
01:12:15
not like blurring everything else in
01:12:17
this in the the sound the sonic field
01:12:19
and then you get good decent enough lows
01:12:22
and the transient response is good and
01:12:25
music sounds like the way it mostly
01:12:28
should on those things.
01:12:30
>> Um so
01:12:31
>> show me a graph where I don't believe
01:12:33
you. No, no, no, no.
01:12:34
>> All right. And and uh
01:12:37
>> shoot, I wish I brought in these these
01:12:39
uh
01:12:40
>> these uh
01:12:41
>> nothing.
01:12:41
>> I was going to say the other headphones
01:12:42
that I I haven't tried, but I people I
01:12:45
trust say are like pretty decent are the
01:12:46
the Marshall headphones, the the Monitor
01:12:49
3s,
01:12:50
>> which are about the same price as these.
01:12:51
Anyway, this is all to say that I'm
01:12:53
excited to try these headphone A's just
01:12:55
because the longer I've like observed
01:12:58
the space, the more I've been like,
01:12:59
damn, I was really not fair to the
01:13:03
original nothing headphones. They really
01:13:05
are a cool offering.
01:13:06
>> Bring Yeah. I'm going to bring in the
01:13:07
Fender next week for you to try cuz they
01:13:09
look very normal and they also cost $300
01:13:12
and they have lossless audio and Ora and
01:13:15
all this cool stuff and see is way
01:13:17
better than nothing. The Sony's.
01:13:20
>> Yeah,
01:13:20
>> the Sony's are sound so bad that um
01:13:25
>> How bad do they
01:13:26
>> that when I I finally confronted Rich
01:13:29
and I was like you have to stop editing
01:13:31
on these
01:13:32
>> because you're on because you're missing
01:13:35
you're missing so much like you're
01:13:37
missing you're not hearing so much
01:13:39
stuff. And I gave him the Bowers and
01:13:40
Wilkins which are not that much better
01:13:43
headphones. Like they sound pretty bad
01:13:45
in my opinion too. And he it was
01:13:47
literally like, "Oh my god, like I can
01:13:50
hear the room. I can hear these
01:13:52
qualities in their voices." Like the
01:13:53
Sony's literally are unable to recreate
01:13:55
these sounds.
01:13:56
>> Interesting. Yeah, I would definitely
01:13:58
not edit on them. I I usually think of
01:13:59
like the types of headphones. I think of
01:14:01
like the the listen music listening fun
01:14:03
headphones, V-shaped, graph, all that
01:14:04
fun stuff. And then like the more
01:14:05
reference headphones and I've I firmly
01:14:07
put the Sony ones in the like music
01:14:09
listening fun headphones thing. I guess
01:14:11
my my different like what like picture
01:14:14
me telling you the video equivalent of
01:14:16
this Marquez like picture me being like
01:14:18
dude I have this display the blacks are
01:14:20
bright as hell the whites are not bright
01:14:22
there's no color accuracy but it's just
01:14:24
so much fun to watch movies you know
01:14:26
>> that's actually how TVs are
01:14:28
>> watch movies dude
01:14:29
>> that's how I would never edit on a TV I
01:14:31
would never edit on a TV
01:14:32
>> no we we watch this we we all think this
01:14:35
looks everyone thinks this looks bad
01:14:36
there's entire subreddits that are like
01:14:38
here like here's how you turn off all
01:14:41
the stuff on your TV. But if you walk
01:14:43
into a store and they all have all those
01:14:45
settings turned on, you buy the one that
01:14:46
has all them turned on cuz it looks
01:14:48
better.
01:14:48
>> Yeah, the punchy one.
01:14:49
>> Yeah, they're like that's why they turn
01:14:50
it on. That's what people do why it's
01:14:52
turned on.
01:14:53
>> Am I just like so off base here that
01:14:56
this is classic? No, you're too plugged
01:14:58
in.
01:15:00
You care too much.
01:15:01
>> When the when you've listened to 30
01:15:03
pairs of headphones and you know the
01:15:05
nuance differences between them, it's
01:15:06
easy to to like evaluate that way. I
01:15:09
know what I like. You know, there's
01:15:10
there's that, too. There's some
01:15:11
personal.
01:15:12
>> But I think there's I think there's a
01:15:13
lot of people shopping for headphones
01:15:14
that are just like, "All right, I'm
01:15:15
going to fly with these." So, I need uh
01:15:17
step one, good build, step two, good
01:15:19
battery, step three, good noise
01:15:20
cancellation, and then as long as they
01:15:21
sound pretty good, I'm happy.
01:15:22
>> And that is kind of the Sony's. You're
01:15:23
right. But this is like five or 600
01:15:25
bucks.
01:15:26
>> They've gone up, but they're not that
01:15:27
high. I think they're under four still.
01:15:30
I think they're under four.
01:15:31
>> I still think getting the older versions
01:15:32
is a better deal, but
01:15:34
>> I agree with that. But they they stopped
01:15:36
folding for some reason for the last
01:15:38
gen. And I have
01:15:39
>> 460
01:15:40
>> 460.
01:15:41
>> What?
01:15:42
>> The Mark 6.
01:15:43
>> Yeah, remember they went up.
01:15:45
>> They went up in price this year.
01:15:46
>> 460.
01:15:47
>> Yeah, they're hella expensive
01:15:49
>> for headphones that sound like the music
01:15:51
is coming out of a bee's hole.
01:15:54
>> I remember when they were like 330 then
01:15:56
they were for that.
01:15:59
>> That is not what they sound like.
01:16:01
>> Not bad. That's like the engine.
01:16:06
>> Yeah. Like
01:16:08
Next up,
01:16:10
>> that's what the Sony's sound like.
01:16:11
>> No, they don't.
01:16:13
>> They do not sound that bad. They sound
01:16:15
pretty good.
01:16:16
>> Someone I guarantee someone is listening
01:16:18
to this podcast on a pair of Sony's.
01:16:20
They're going to be like, I can't hear
01:16:21
the difference. That's just what Wait,
01:16:22
that just sounds like what it sounds
01:16:23
like all the time.
01:16:24
>> Oh my god, you are so hard on me.
01:16:26
>> I did forget that they were 460. I
01:16:28
thought they were more cuz they AirPods
01:16:30
Max are like $550 and they don't lower
01:16:32
the price and then all the others start
01:16:34
to creep up in price cuz they're all
01:16:35
competing and then Apple comes out and
01:16:36
seems to enable $500 headphones. Now the
01:16:38
350 ones are 400 and 450. So it's all
01:16:41
creeping up which is valid that the
01:16:43
nothing headphones are only 3000. That's
01:16:45
really nice.
01:16:46
>> But yeah.
01:16:47
>> Well, and the headphones a are 1990 and
01:16:51
they see how they sound. It's hard for
01:16:52
me to tell exactly from the website, but
01:16:54
it seems like you can bypass a bunch of
01:16:58
the digital stuff with the 3.5
01:16:59
millimeter connection, which is
01:17:00
something that a lot of headphones
01:17:01
actually you can't do anymore.
01:17:03
>> I just not have one.
01:17:04
>> I just want to say if you want to yell
01:17:06
at Ellis Roven on X,
01:17:09
>> like I'm so sorry.
01:17:12
>> I'm like genuinely so sorry if I
01:17:13
offended you and you like the Sony's.
01:17:14
Like I do really believe like the best
01:17:16
headphones are the ones that you like.
01:17:19
They're the one. That's so true for for
01:17:22
headphones and earbuds. It's like the
01:17:23
best. Don't let anyone tell you that the
01:17:26
ones that you like are bad.
01:17:28
>> You just did.
01:17:30
>> I personally just feel like I was going
01:17:32
to say
01:17:32
>> you're missing
01:17:34
on a rant about those.
01:17:35
>> They sound like a bees.
01:17:39
>> What's But if they sold them for $100,
01:17:42
I'd be like, "That's amazing." I'd be
01:17:44
like, "You have to go buy these. These
01:17:45
are the best." But it's like
01:17:46
>> I go on I will say I'm on a lot of
01:17:48
flights and I I tend to like look around
01:17:50
and notice all the headphones people are
01:17:51
wearing and there's first of all tons
01:17:53
and tons of AirPods and I know they're
01:17:55
$500 headphones and I'm always amazed at
01:17:57
how many AirPods there are and maybe
01:17:58
that's cuz I'm flying out of Newark but
01:18:00
then two there's a ton of bows and Sony
01:18:02
and I know they're not the the Bose
01:18:03
especially it's like I know they're not
01:18:04
the best sounding but they sell them in
01:18:06
the airport vending machine and they're
01:18:08
designed to be four flights and they
01:18:10
have tons of&c and they have the adapter
01:18:13
in the box and
01:18:14
>> apparently the newest ones actually
01:18:15
sound pretty good.
01:18:16
>> Yeah, Bose Bose is a historic like Bose
01:18:18
is an R&D company first. You know what I
01:18:20
mean? Like they put a lot of effort into
01:18:21
this,
01:18:22
>> but like the old Quiet Comforts had
01:18:23
pretty ass audio quality with just
01:18:25
really good ANC.
01:18:26
>> Yeah, but were they bees ass audio
01:18:27
quality?
01:18:28
>> I don't I don't know if I can cosign
01:18:29
that that statement. Um, you know,
01:18:31
there's
01:18:32
>> there's a there's a funny thing in audio
01:18:34
where like you know the like the like
01:18:36
mimi bell curve with like the angry dumb
01:18:39
guy on one side and the angry genius guy
01:18:41
on the other side and like
01:18:42
>> it's with everything. Well, no, but with
01:18:44
with headphones, it's like the I don't
01:18:47
know anything about audio, blah, blah,
01:18:48
blah. Use AirPods. And then you have
01:18:50
everyone arguing in the middle about
01:18:52
what's best. And then like everyone I
01:18:54
know who's like a super esteemed,
01:18:56
knowledgeable audio engineer, like super
01:18:58
techy, really knows their stuff.
01:19:00
>> It's AirPods. It's like, and they
01:19:02
wouldn't even consider using anything
01:19:03
else.
01:19:03
>> No, it's it's the same in pretty much
01:19:05
everything in note takingaking apps.
01:19:07
Same with c with photos. I'll have
01:19:09
people that are like, "Oh, look at this
01:19:10
awesome picture." And it's like the
01:19:12
worst picture I've ever seen. Like the
01:19:14
HDR is just like,
01:19:15
>> "Did you shoot this from a bee's? What
01:19:18
is this?"
01:19:20
>> Cuz it sounds like the sound is coming
01:19:22
out of a really skinny tube. That's what
01:19:24
I was trying to
01:19:26
>> I was just saying.
01:19:27
>> I can't wait for the new merch.
01:19:30
>> Bele merch.
01:19:31
>> The m the area under the curve of people
01:19:34
that really like ass
01:19:38
is high as
01:19:39
>> it is. In
01:19:41
fact,
01:19:42
>> I'm not going to understand what you
01:19:44
just said cuz it's getting bleeped
01:19:45
entirely.
01:19:46
>> I'm going to I'm going to leave whole so
01:19:49
people know.
01:19:50
>> All of the most But you're right. Every
01:19:51
category, all of the most mid products
01:19:53
in the middle are all fighting each
01:19:55
other. And then the just like
01:19:56
thoughtless product on each end is
01:19:58
probably the one most people should get
01:19:59
and that's fine cuz you don't want to
01:20:00
think about it.
01:20:01
>> Yes.
01:20:02
>> Ellis is just saying though that
01:20:03
thoughtless product on each end should
01:20:05
be the nothing headphones. No,
01:20:08
>> Carl Pay will clip that.
01:20:11
>> I'm saying I'm saying I'm saying Carl,
01:20:14
you know, I got on I got over there
01:20:16
right where Andrew is sitting and did
01:20:18
not give you a fair shot and and I
01:20:20
apologize and I and I have since come
01:20:23
around,
01:20:24
>> but but it's an it's a great it it fits
01:20:27
in to the the product lineup
01:20:30
>> really well at a competitive price with
01:20:31
competitive offerings. I don't know
01:20:33
about all that. You got to use the app
01:20:35
stuff.
01:20:36
But that part black
01:20:37
>> the new nothing headphones. A It looks
01:20:40
like you have a pair of AirPods that are
01:20:43
glued to the side of a square.
01:20:45
>> It would be sick if you could pull a
01:20:46
pair of earbuds out of that.
01:20:48
>> That would be cool. That's what they
01:20:49
look like except they're going
01:20:51
>> all this to say, we should get these
01:20:52
here. We should listen to them. We
01:20:53
should put them on Ellis's head and have
01:20:55
them live react to them.
01:20:56
>> Yes. Should see if we can get 135 hours
01:20:59
of listening.
01:20:59
>> Yeah. I want to try them because I want
01:21:01
to see how often people stare at me with
01:21:03
them and then just take them off and
01:21:05
don't want to be the person being stared
01:21:06
at anymore.
01:21:07
>> Yeah, they're $100 cheaper. I don't know
01:21:09
if we said that.
01:21:09
>> Yeah,
01:21:10
>> somewhere in in there we did mention it
01:21:13
and but
01:21:14
>> yeah,
01:21:14
>> probably got lost.
01:21:15
>> All right. All right. Well, we do have a
01:21:17
little bit more to talk about after the
01:21:18
break. So, before that break trivia
01:21:22
like nothing's nothing's design team
01:21:24
simultaneously cooked and like got
01:21:27
cooked.
01:21:27
>> Okay, question two. Speaking of nothing,
01:21:30
the first video ever uploaded to
01:21:33
nothing's YouTube channel was uploaded
01:21:36
when? Closest without going over.
01:21:38
>> Wasn't it just like a prank video?
01:21:40
>> It was a hype video. It was definitely a
01:21:42
>> like a ladybug and a prank lady. It was
01:21:45
like 8 to 12 months before they launched
01:21:47
their first product.
01:21:47
>> What? It was irrelevant. When it was
01:21:52
>> relevant,
01:21:53
>> is this closest delta or closest without
01:21:55
going over?
01:21:56
We'll brainstorm that a little
01:21:58
bit. We'll be right back.
01:22:08
All right, welcome back. Uh, really
01:22:10
quick here because we spent a really
01:22:12
long time talking about bees there. Um,
01:22:14
>> I got bees, boy.
01:22:15
>> We've talked multiple times about how
01:22:17
like AI overviews and whatever are going
01:22:19
to really uh screw up page views and
01:22:23
journalists getting paid and reviewers
01:22:25
getting paid. And we saw that happen
01:22:27
this week with the website ratings or
01:22:30
rings um is how it's spelled out. But
01:22:33
they had to kind of make a huge change
01:22:35
to their website. They are uh they're
01:22:37
known for doing super in-depth reviews
01:22:40
on a lot of things, tech included, one
01:22:41
of the largest. But
01:22:42
>> like so in-depth that when you're
01:22:43
shopping for a printer, you can compare
01:22:45
printers by cost per page or like pages
01:22:48
per hour or cost per hour at max flow,
01:22:51
you know, like Yeah. Like they're the
01:22:53
ones.
01:22:53
>> Yeah. It's deep. And it's like they're
01:22:55
doing it with different equipment on a
01:22:57
lot of different things to be able to
01:22:59
test these. So that obviously costs
01:23:01
money, but um previously it was free and
01:23:03
now they had to make a pretty large
01:23:06
change to make uh the full in-depth
01:23:09
reviews of everything behind a payw
01:23:11
wall. Uh it is now $10 a month or $45 a
01:23:15
year. But the most interesting thing
01:23:18
about this uh announcement was an a
01:23:21
section of their release saying why
01:23:23
we're making this change. It says,
01:23:24
"Ratings.com has historically relied
01:23:26
heavily on organic search traffic from
01:23:28
Google and affiliate links. That model
01:23:29
is becoming less reliable. Fewer people
01:23:31
click through Google organic results
01:23:32
than they used to. At the same time, AI
01:23:34
actively scrapes and reuses our test
01:23:36
results, often without attribution and
01:23:39
without the context needed to interpret
01:23:40
them correctly. That's like a huge thing
01:23:42
by itself, interpreting things
01:23:44
correctly." Yeah.
01:23:45
>> Uh, meanwhile, performing lab-based and
01:23:47
in-depth testing is expensive. We buy
01:23:49
every product ourselves like normal
01:23:50
consumers. No paid or sponsored reviews.
01:23:52
Test them using standardized repeatable
01:23:54
methods and publish the full test
01:23:56
results transparently. A membership
01:23:58
supported model reduces our dependency
01:23:59
on Google. Limits unrestricted AI
01:24:01
scraping for our test results and gives
01:24:02
us incentives that are more sustainable
01:24:04
and aligned with our customers. So, this
01:24:08
>> sucks but is necessary, I guess, is the
01:24:10
easiest way of putting it. It stinks for
01:24:12
all the people who want to just go to
01:24:14
their website and support them, but also
01:24:18
like I don't know, not many people are
01:24:19
going to pay $10 to just go for a month
01:24:23
or pay $45 a year for a reviewing
01:24:26
website because you don't buy things
01:24:28
that often. Lots of times you're just
01:24:30
like in the pinch of comparing things
01:24:32
and want to go check it.
01:24:34
>> Yeah.
01:24:34
>> So, this is a tough look.
01:24:37
>> This is part of the inevitable death of
01:24:39
SEO and the web. I mean, every website
01:24:41
for the longest time. Adam and I used to
01:24:43
work at Android Authority and we were
01:24:44
privy to a lot of the SEO that
01:24:47
the people would have to talk about all
01:24:48
the time. And it it basically equated to
01:24:51
Google makes all of these changes
01:24:53
constantly that you have to adapt to.
01:24:56
Often times when you're adapting to it,
01:24:58
making these changes makes your website
01:25:00
worse, but if you don't, then Google
01:25:02
will derank your website because you are
01:25:04
optimizing the way you show up in Google
01:25:06
search.
01:25:06
>> Yeah. And with the speed of which this
01:25:08
stuff is changing, especially with AI
01:25:10
overviews and all of this stuff, now you
01:25:12
have the additional factor of having to
01:25:14
like adapt to what the AI overview
01:25:16
shows. If it chooses your website to
01:25:18
show in the AI overview, if it chooses
01:25:20
you to show in Gemini when Gemini gives
01:25:23
uh gives sources and stuff like that.
01:25:25
>> And I mean, there's a reason a lot of
01:25:27
websites are moving to paid. The Verge
01:25:28
moved to paid about a year ago. That was
01:25:30
a pretty major change. It made their web
01:25:32
traffic really sink a lot. But they are
01:25:35
making a lot more money on
01:25:36
subscriptions. I just think the entire
01:25:38
internet is moving more towards direct
01:25:40
to creator payments because SEO is just
01:25:44
kind of dying very rapidly.
01:25:45
>> So I think I'm like thinking out loud
01:25:47
here. This I think this is my real beef
01:25:49
with AI overviews. I know I know Ellis
01:25:51
like it's the accuracy and there's a
01:25:53
bunch of other things are wrong about it
01:25:54
but
01:25:56
>> I think it's because the like it it so
01:25:59
fundamentally removes the incentives to
01:26:01
make good stuff right so before and I
01:26:05
there's you know the ratings video kind
01:26:06
of illustrates this perfectly but like
01:26:08
when you make good stuff and you
01:26:10
optimize for people to find that good
01:26:12
stuff Google and all the search engines
01:26:14
when people are in the buying process
01:26:16
will funnel you will funnel those people
01:26:18
to find your stuff.
01:26:19
>> Yeah. And so you make the stuff because
01:26:21
people find it and you get paid from the
01:26:23
ads and the cycle continues. So you're
01:26:25
incentivized to make good stuff so that
01:26:26
more people find it. Now you make good
01:26:30
stuff. That stuff gets scraped by AI
01:26:32
overview. And when people start to go
01:26:35
through that buying process, they find
01:26:37
the AI overview and they never find your
01:26:39
stuff. So the only incentive you have to
01:26:41
make good stuff is to be the source for
01:26:43
the AI overview to be good. And you
01:26:44
don't get any credit for that and you
01:26:46
don't get paid for that. So the
01:26:47
incentive is effectively gone. Yeah.
01:26:50
>> So, think about that. The effect the the
01:26:52
incentive to make good stuff is gone.
01:26:56
Now, why would you make any more stuff?
01:26:58
It's almost like we've decided, all
01:26:59
right, the entire corpus of human
01:27:01
knowledge is complete. We need nothing
01:27:03
more to be new. We will just be trained
01:27:04
on the old stuff. That is that is my
01:27:07
that's a bummer. This is a concern that
01:27:09
we talked about at the very beginning of
01:27:11
this. We literally said, "What happens
01:27:13
when there is no incentive to go to a
01:27:16
website because the answers are all on
01:27:17
Google?" And like, "Why would you make
01:27:20
content if people are not going to go to
01:27:21
your page and you can't get paid for
01:27:23
it?" And then the AI has nothing to grab
01:27:25
from. Like that that is the question
01:27:26
that we asked 3 years ago and now it's
01:27:29
actually hitting websites really hard.
01:27:31
Yeah. So, we're seeing like the Verge
01:27:33
and ratings and like adding membership
01:27:35
programs because there are still
01:27:36
enthusiasts willing to support the
01:27:38
creation of good stuff and you know the
01:27:40
membership program is maybe the most
01:27:42
ideal way to do that. I subscribe to The
01:27:43
Verge. to read a lot of these things,
01:27:45
but it's often like
01:27:46
>> uh like Wire Cutter for example, I
01:27:47
brought up earlier or off camera, but
01:27:49
like when I'm about to buy a blender and
01:27:52
I'm doing my six hours of way too much
01:27:54
research to buy the perfect blender,
01:27:56
that's when I'm deep in the ratings and
01:27:58
the wire cutter and the Verge and
01:28:00
reading blender reviews.
01:28:01
>> Yeah.
01:28:02
>> And then once that's over, I'm not going
01:28:04
to read another Blender review for
01:28:05
years. That stuff I'm not going to do
01:28:07
that. So, it's hard to get people to
01:28:09
support and to, you know, spend
01:28:11
regularly on something when it seems
01:28:13
like there's the incentive is gone.
01:28:14
>> This is specifically hard because I
01:28:16
don't think a lot of people are Yeah.
01:28:17
reading ratings for fun. Like we don't,
01:28:19
we are part entertainment, right? So,
01:28:21
like people see our reviews, but we're
01:28:23
also entertainment. So, that's not
01:28:25
getting hit as hard. But like this kind
01:28:27
of stuff that is just like
01:28:28
>> numbers and what prints per minute or
01:28:31
Marquez's smoothies per hour and his
01:28:34
blender likeuge.
01:28:35
>> This is not the stuff you read for fun.
01:28:36
This is the stuff you read for a
01:28:37
purpose. And when you don't have that
01:28:39
purpose, it's really hard to pay monthly
01:28:41
or yearly on it. Even though
01:28:43
>> I don't know if you were like buying a
01:28:44
new house and equipping it for the next
01:28:46
year, maybe 45 bucks for the year
01:28:48
wouldn't be bad. But that's not a great
01:28:49
business model to be like, "Cool, every
01:28:51
time someone buys a house, we'll get one
01:28:53
year of uh a subscription." So this I
01:28:55
feel bad for ratings. This is just
01:28:57
absolutely probably tanking there.
01:29:00
>> It's very tough for stuff like this.
01:29:02
There's um there's an interesting graph
01:29:03
and also a chart as Marquez like to call
01:29:06
out. Yes.
01:29:07
>> That shows the decline of peak traffic
01:29:09
on tech websites year-over-year. And
01:29:12
it's it's pretty nasty. Like all of
01:29:14
these numbers are really high. And it's
01:29:16
only a oneyear graph.
01:29:18
>> 2024. Yeah. To now, I guess. Year and a
01:29:21
half. So March 2024, Digital Trends got
01:29:25
8.5 million peak traffic. January 26,
01:29:29
they got 264,000.
01:29:31
That's a decline of 97%.
01:29:33
>> That was a rounding error in their
01:29:35
previous number.
01:29:36
>> Now it's their entire traffic is crazy.
01:29:38
>> Yeah.
01:29:38
>> I mean, this is going to decimate
01:29:40
websites on the internet because the
01:29:42
same way that Facebook video when it
01:29:44
decided to not be a thing anymore, like
01:29:46
ruined Buzzfeed basically.
01:29:47
>> Yeah.
01:29:48
>> This is what Google SEO is doing to all
01:29:50
the internets that have built businesses
01:29:52
being the source of information. Well,
01:29:54
what's crazy is like I think a lot of
01:29:55
these websites like well services like
01:29:58
Google they they just sort of think
01:30:00
social media is free information and I
01:30:02
think in their head if you take the
01:30:05
average of all information about one
01:30:08
topic you get closer to a source of
01:30:10
truth right because there's signal to
01:30:11
noise hopefully you have more signal
01:30:13
than you have noise and if you take a
01:30:15
billion sources hopefully you have the
01:30:17
right data and I think all of these
01:30:19
services and websites are just kind of
01:30:21
like why do we have to pay websites when
01:30:23
You know, we could social media is free
01:30:25
like quote unquote journalism or
01:30:27
information and you can just
01:30:30
theoretically get closer to a source of
01:30:32
truth,
01:30:32
>> but that really just it destroys the
01:30:35
internet as we know it currently. So,
01:30:38
it's not good.
01:30:38
>> We talk doesn't give good information
01:30:40
for the most part.
01:30:41
>> Yeah. I mean, there's a reason why there
01:30:42
are certain trusted sources because they
01:30:44
have processes in place that will take
01:30:46
away the noise. I agree with you, but I
01:30:48
I think that they just think that on a
01:30:50
on a numbers basis, if you have 1
01:30:52
billion people talking about a thing,
01:30:54
the average is always higher to truth.
01:30:56
That that's exactly what poly markets
01:30:58
like, you know, all of these guys, they
01:31:01
say like, "Oh, we can predict what's
01:31:02
going to happen because people are
01:31:04
putting their money towards this thing
01:31:05
because they this many people think
01:31:07
it'll happen and that means it will
01:31:09
probably happen." I don't know if that's
01:31:11
true or not. Uh there's a zillion
01:31:13
problems with that, but um either way,
01:31:15
>> the average number of arms per human is
01:31:18
less than two. That's taking all the
01:31:21
data about all humans ever. The average
01:31:23
number of arms. Just saying. Sometimes
01:31:25
that logic can be flawed.
01:31:26
>> It's I just don't think
01:31:29
that was a fire exam. Just saying. I
01:31:31
just they don't all just think hard
01:31:33
enough about stuff like this because
01:31:35
they just want to get their
01:31:37
>> I disagree. I think they know they don't
01:31:39
know, dude. Google At a certain point
01:31:42
though, this is going to screw
01:31:43
themselves when their AI can't scrape
01:31:44
things anymore because no one's making
01:31:46
no one can get paid to make the
01:31:48
>> everyone is making stuff all the time
01:31:50
for free
01:31:51
>> on social media,
01:31:52
>> I guess. But now that that level of what
01:31:54
we get is worse and then
01:31:56
>> Oh yeah.
01:31:57
>> And then it just all turns into nothing
01:31:59
when the free stuff is that's being made
01:32:01
is
01:32:02
>> doesn't mean anything. Nothing was the
01:32:04
last segment where I
01:32:07
>> we've talked
01:32:08
>> I just remember we talked to somebody
01:32:10
who made an AI product. Uh I won't name
01:32:12
them but we brought this up to him and
01:32:15
he said I don't think you guys should
01:32:17
have any worries. You make really good
01:32:18
stuff. And I was like I'm not talking
01:32:20
about us. I'm talking about like these
01:32:22
people the people who are doing the
01:32:24
in-depth web textbased reviews and like
01:32:27
that. And it felt like he'd never heard
01:32:29
that before.
01:32:30
>> Yeah.
01:32:30
>> It's gone. It's This stuff is going to
01:32:32
be gone.
01:32:33
>> This Yeah, this feels similar. I I went
01:32:35
to Claw Con last night. Um who
01:32:38
>> you know Cladbot? We talked about
01:32:39
Cloudbot.
01:32:40
>> Open Claw.
01:32:41
>> Open Claw. Sorry. You remember OpenClaw?
01:32:42
We talked about Open. I went to
01:32:43
>> Is that the one where everyone dresses
01:32:45
up as Santa and like goes around the
01:32:46
city?
01:32:47
>> I thought that was somehow worse.
01:32:49
>> Somehow worse. Everybody did have um
01:32:52
lobster hats on.
01:32:53
>> Okay. But the people I talked to
01:32:55
primarily were like, "Oh yeah, well you
01:32:57
can just like create your own apps and
01:32:58
blah blah blah and everything." thing
01:32:59
and I was like, "Okay, but what happens
01:33:00
when all the ser people don't need to
01:33:02
use any services anymore because they
01:33:04
can just spin up their own services?"
01:33:05
And they're like, "Well, that's fine."
01:33:06
It's like, "Okay, but then how do people
01:33:08
make money?" Like, "Well, you can sell
01:33:10
your apps that you make." And I'm like,
01:33:11
>> "But no one will buy it because they can
01:33:13
all make
01:33:14
>> people get money so they can pay for
01:33:16
housing and food."
01:33:18
>> Those are the primary things I think
01:33:19
you're forgetting that people need.
01:33:21
>> Yeah.
01:33:23
>> Similar to this.
01:33:23
>> How often did you run into that the like
01:33:26
meme of like you should try Open Claw?
01:33:28
It's awesome. Cool. What do you do? It's
01:33:30
really cool. I use it every day. Oh,
01:33:32
yeah. But what are you making? You're
01:33:33
going to get left behind.
01:33:34
>> That's exactly why I went to to the
01:33:37
conference. And I did find some pretty
01:33:40
insane use cases that people were using
01:33:41
with for I did have to actually talk to
01:33:43
people because the actual event where
01:33:45
they talked about everything that was
01:33:47
going on. They had a bunch of speakers.
01:33:49
All of them were just OpenClaw rappers
01:33:51
to try to sell you like an easier way to
01:33:53
use it,
01:33:54
>> which is very ironic. Yeah, I know. They
01:33:56
also did have a rapper there. They did
01:33:58
have a route. It was very Silicon
01:33:59
Valley, I will tell you.
01:34:00
>> Anyway, um there were some use cases.
01:34:02
Either way,
01:34:04
>> I'm sort of just equating that to this
01:34:06
because it's like
01:34:07
>> I understand the revenue generation
01:34:11
angle, but you're not thinking far
01:34:14
enough into the future where it's like
01:34:16
why would people buy use your service
01:34:18
and buy your thing if you're taking away
01:34:21
if you're giving everyone the ability to
01:34:23
have the service and the thing?
01:34:25
>> Yeah.
01:34:25
>> You know what I mean? I don't know
01:34:27
democratization in a way is like good
01:34:29
but also bad sometimes
01:34:31
>> we uh this is not I guess it's it's sort
01:34:35
of a unique situation but I I do have
01:34:37
sort of like faith that god forbid like
01:34:41
we do lose things like ratings and the
01:34:42
verge and like these places that do give
01:34:44
these like really important honest
01:34:46
reviews Tom good mashable that the
01:34:48
pendulum will swing back in the other
01:34:52
direction um I'm mostly thinking about
01:34:55
consumer reports
01:34:56
which I think is a little bit more safe
01:34:58
because they're a nonprofit and they get
01:35:00
a lot of money through donations.
01:35:03
>> Um, and you know, a big part of the
01:35:07
founding of Consumer Reports in the late
01:35:09
20s, early 30s was like this period of
01:35:11
time where corporations could just were
01:35:14
literally killing people with their
01:35:16
products and and there was like not
01:35:18
really any like consumer protection
01:35:20
ability. And I'm not saying like we're
01:35:22
going to go all the way back there where
01:35:24
like you don't know if your the product
01:35:25
if this blender you're going to buy is
01:35:27
going to end your life or not. Um but I
01:35:31
you know we we could get close to back
01:35:34
there and and it'll necessitate like
01:35:36
we'll need some way to know. I think
01:35:38
Google would probably say enough people
01:35:40
are truthful, but I don't.
01:35:41
>> But they're not. Well, no. No.
01:35:44
>> And I'm saying what I'm saying what
01:35:45
Google would say.
01:35:47
>> Like if you know, God forbid. Did you
01:35:49
guys watch the Hank Green video, the
01:35:51
hourlong AI? Like the thing that he said
01:35:53
about how like there's a world where
01:35:56
>> we we lose access to like all of Google
01:35:59
and all of and and all of our
01:36:01
information is gained through some sort
01:36:02
of like LLM interface. And at that
01:36:05
point, there's literally no way to know
01:36:07
what's true because you'll have three
01:36:08
sources of truth, you know, anthropic,
01:36:11
OpenAI, and Google. And whatever they
01:36:14
want you to believe, there's you'll have
01:36:17
literally no way to fact check it, you
01:36:18
know. Um, so when you're like, is this
01:36:20
the best blender? You know, Google will
01:36:23
decide what the best blender is and and
01:36:25
sell you that one.
01:36:26
>> Open AI will serve you an ad.
01:36:27
>> Yeah. There there was like a period of
01:36:28
time, remember, where like auto car
01:36:30
companies were genuinely telling
01:36:32
consumers like your car will be worse
01:36:34
with seat belts in it.
01:36:35
>> Like remember like that was like like
01:36:37
we've been there before. There's nothing
01:36:39
stopping us from going back there. And
01:36:41
so I do have faith that eventually like
01:36:43
>> this is just a thing that we need in a
01:36:45
developed society and somehow someway we
01:36:49
as a as a populace will hopefully figure
01:36:51
it out.
01:36:51
>> People still do value quality and this
01:36:54
has been sort of the ultimate debate
01:36:55
that people have been talking about like
01:36:57
with AI slop will that actually make
01:36:59
quality more valuable and people will
01:37:01
gravitate towards the quality we don't
01:37:03
really know yet we're still too early in
01:37:05
the stage
01:37:06
>> I think that obviously people go towards
01:37:08
the lowest friction generally so there
01:37:11
will be a lot of slop that will be
01:37:12
consumed
01:37:13
>> but the big question is will people also
01:37:16
seek out the quality stuff which will
01:37:18
still find a way to exist um either way
01:37:21
it seems like most of these websites
01:37:22
really are going to start moving towards
01:37:24
subscription models I see the value in
01:37:26
the verge moving towards has a
01:37:27
subscription model. I think a lot of
01:37:28
people like to read news is like the
01:37:30
money maker for them. I don't know how
01:37:33
Artings or Ratings has a subscription
01:37:36
model and uses that to exist.
01:37:37
>> Do you know how farm co-ops work? I feel
01:37:39
like this is the this is how we should
01:37:41
figure this out where like like let's
01:37:42
say and I'm not a farmer so please let
01:37:45
me know if I get some of this wrong but
01:37:46
my understanding is like if you live in
01:37:48
like South Dakota, right? and you live
01:37:50
in this place where like there's a bunch
01:37:51
of independent farmers and you all grow
01:37:53
corn. You know, you could try to set up
01:37:55
business deals with corn distributors
01:37:58
and people who are going to use your
01:37:59
corn. Or you could establish a co-op and
01:38:02
all the farmers drop their corn off at
01:38:04
this mutually owned place and then the
01:38:06
co-op is the one that handles selling
01:38:08
all the corn. Yeah. And you just get
01:38:10
paid off. You know, you you with the the
01:38:12
co-op consortium decides on how much
01:38:14
they're going to sell the corn for and
01:38:15
then you divide the things. That'd be a
01:38:17
cool way to do these sort of reviews,
01:38:18
right? is like is like you have like one
01:38:20
place you go for all of these sites
01:38:22
independent testing, you know, and you
01:38:25
pay for that collectively. We all pay
01:38:28
for that and then that money can get
01:38:29
distributed.
01:38:30
>> There was a cool um service that Twitter
01:38:33
owned before uh it got bought
01:38:35
>> Vine.
01:38:36
>> No. Well, I don't I don't know if that
01:38:38
was cool or not.
01:38:39
>> Uh it created it created the Paul
01:38:41
brothers. Um,
01:38:45
regardless of that, they had this
01:38:46
service where you could pay like a $5
01:38:48
fee and it would allow you to if you
01:38:51
clicked a link on Twitter for a website
01:38:53
that had a payw wall, it would let you
01:38:55
like read it without the payw wall or
01:38:57
like it would remove all the banner ads
01:38:59
or whatever. And it was a super cool
01:39:00
idea and I don't know if it was working
01:39:02
or not.
01:39:03
>> They had this scalable thing where it
01:39:05
was like
01:39:05
>> the more websites that got on the more
01:39:08
it would distribute the money. So
01:39:09
obviously the more websites the less
01:39:11
money. News is another great
01:39:12
>> Yeah, Apple News is a good example of
01:39:14
that, too.
01:39:14
>> I don't know if either of those services
01:39:16
took advantage of these platforms, but
01:39:17
to me, like instead of being like
01:39:19
>> like with Marquez, it's like, dude, I
01:39:21
don't I don't need to pay for Blender
01:39:24
honesty 24/7, you know? But if I I do
01:39:27
need to pay for product honesty 24/7.
01:39:29
And so, if there was some sort of
01:39:30
consortium here,
01:39:31
>> Yeah.
01:39:33
>> Yeah. It's sad that we have to start
01:39:35
thinking about these things like this is
01:39:36
what Sam Alman's always being like is
01:39:38
like in a world without money, how do we
01:39:40
give people UBI or whatever. It's like I
01:39:43
don't like to Why are you forcing this
01:39:45
world on us right now? Um yeah, it's
01:39:48
sad. Anyway, you should subscribe to I
01:39:50
you should subscribe to news that you
01:39:52
care about and websites that you care
01:39:53
about. I think that's kind of the crux
01:39:55
of it. If you're willing to subscribe to
01:39:57
like Netflix or HBO Max, like think
01:40:00
about your con like the the quality of
01:40:03
your content consumption and what
01:40:04
actually matters to you in your regular
01:40:05
life. And it's important to give news.
01:40:09
>> We were a few days away from those being
01:40:10
the same company.
01:40:11
>> We were
01:40:12
>> and yet something worse happened.
01:40:14
>> Oracle is now
01:40:16
>> Oracle's son dad.
01:40:19
>> Yeah, son. I'll throw one more sad thing
01:40:21
in here in the
01:40:23
>> sad part of this, but of uh if you own
01:40:26
uh Meta Ray-B bands, you should probably
01:40:28
read the article uh that just came out
01:40:30
about them and the video camera on it.
01:40:32
We definitely don't have time to talk
01:40:34
about. In fact, the ratings thing I
01:40:35
thought was going to be the least
01:40:36
depressing thing we could have talked
01:40:37
about and it definitely was not true.
01:40:39
But yeah, uh if you have these, go read
01:40:41
them. Maybe we'll talk about it next
01:40:42
week. But
01:40:44
>> you probably cover the cameras.
01:40:46
>> Yeah. But uh we probably should get you
01:40:49
to trivia because Adam and Ellis need to
01:40:51
edit this very fast to come out by
01:40:53
tomorrow.
01:40:57
>> You need one.
01:40:58
>> Trivia. Dude,
01:41:00
>> I've got a marker.
01:41:01
>> When the when the death bots come for
01:41:03
us, I'm going to do a trivia question
01:41:06
like the band on the Titanic going down
01:41:08
with the ship. That's going to be that's
01:41:09
going to be my final gift to humanity.
01:41:11
Guys, the MacBook Neo is here. None of
01:41:15
us knew it was coming until it came. And
01:41:19
uh you know, so how many other tech
01:41:21
products can you guys name with the word
01:41:24
Neo in it? You get one point per
01:41:26
product. You guys got mad at me because
01:41:29
I made the questions too hard and you
01:41:30
weren't scoring. So this is literally a
01:41:32
waterfall of points available for you
01:41:34
guys. You could literally bathe in the
01:41:36
points.
01:41:37
>> I only have one and it's
01:41:38
>> dude. And I'm going to be so It doesn't
01:41:40
matter. I'm going to be really lenient.
01:41:42
hardware, software. If it uses
01:41:44
electricity in any way and it has the
01:41:47
letters neo consecutively in it, I will
01:41:51
be fine.
01:41:52
>> Oh my god.
01:41:53
>> How many did you guys get? You guys were
01:41:55
running pretty good.
01:41:56
>> You definitely don't have the same thing
01:41:58
I have.
01:41:58
>> All right.
01:41:59
>> Go to bed.
01:41:59
>> Flip them and read. What do you got?
01:42:01
>> Okay.
01:42:01
>> All right. Who wants to go first? Who
01:42:03
wants to go first?
01:42:04
>> Um, I'll go. I wrote Neopets.
01:42:08
>> I'll accept that answer.
01:42:10
>> I didn't think about that. The nothing
01:42:11
headphone one.
01:42:14
N E O N E. Damn,
01:42:16
>> dude. You know, at this point, whatever.
01:42:19
>> It's yours, bro.
01:42:20
>> Clever enough to deserve the point.
01:42:22
>> I wrote four things.
01:42:23
>> Let's see it.
01:42:23
>> I wrote the Surface Neo.
01:42:25
>> The point's yours. Great.
01:42:27
>> All right. I put uh a Neo, that like
01:42:29
phone company. A Neo or whatever it is.
01:42:32
>> A Y A Neo Neo.
01:42:35
>> They make portable gaming consoles.
01:42:36
Yeah.
01:42:36
>> Okay. I'll give you that point even
01:42:38
though you spelled it wrong. Um, Neowin,
01:42:40
which is the tech website.
01:42:42
>> Oh,
01:42:43
>> yep. That exists. You get it.
01:42:44
>> Uh, and Neon,
01:42:46
>> if you can tell me.
01:42:47
>> This is like the It's a technology. If
01:42:49
>> you can tell me what
01:42:50
>> No, it's a noble gas.
01:42:52
>> Yeah, it's a noble gas.
01:42:53
>> No, I can't give you that.
01:42:55
>> No. No.
01:42:55
>> You're going to be
01:42:57
>> really
01:42:58
>> It's a noble gas.
01:42:59
>> If you could tell me how many electrons
01:43:01
are in its outer shell, I'll give you
01:43:02
that point.
01:43:02
>> 47.
01:43:03
>> No.
01:43:04
>> A no.
01:43:05
>> Guys, do you want to hear some of the
01:43:06
ones that you missed? Sure.
01:43:09
>> You missed the 1x Neo robot that's
01:43:13
coming out soon. You missed the LG Neo
01:43:16
Chef, a microwave, the Samsung Neo,
01:43:18
which is a QLED TV.
01:43:20
>> I should have just written Samsung Neo.
01:43:23
>> LG Neo, Samsung Neo,
01:43:25
>> the DJI Neo, a pocket-size drone. The
01:43:28
Realme GT Neo, a budget phone or no,
01:43:31
smartphone. The Motorola Edge 5G Neo,
01:43:34
that's a budget phone. The old Kiosera
01:43:37
Neo, a flip phone. The Nubia Neo, a
01:43:40
budget smartphone. The Xeria Neo from
01:43:43
2011. Remember,
01:43:44
>> and the Vivo IU Neo 10R,
01:43:48
>> the
01:43:49
Vivo Neo.
01:43:50
>> Wow,
01:43:51
>> I like it.
01:43:52
>> All right. Damn. So, not neon though,
01:43:54
you're sure.
01:43:55
>> David, if you can tell me how many
01:43:57
electrons are in its outer shell, give
01:44:00
me that point because Ellis said it's a
01:44:02
noble gas. It is a noble gas,
01:44:04
>> which means
01:44:04
>> it has less than 10.
01:44:06
>> Yeah, it does. But I'm not giving you
01:44:07
that point anyway.
01:44:08
>> If you can tell me what neon smells
01:44:10
like, I'll give you the point.
01:44:11
>> Ooh, sulfur.
01:44:12
>> No, it's odorless.
01:44:14
>> Damn.
01:44:16
>> That was good. You had two chances. All
01:44:17
right. Marquez gets 16 points. Well, he
01:44:21
doesn't get He has 16 points. Andrew
01:44:23
with 18 and David now in the lead with
01:44:25
20. That was a free-for-all.
01:44:27
>> Oh, baby.
01:44:28
>> All right. Next question. The first
01:44:31
video ever uploaded to the Nothing
01:44:33
YouTube channel was uploaded on what
01:44:35
date? Closest without going over.
01:44:37
>> Okay.
01:44:40
Use your maths.
01:44:45
Think.
01:44:46
Think.
01:44:51
>> I guess this would be
01:44:52
>> oldest without going newer.
01:44:54
>> Wait, sorry.
01:44:55
>> Right.
01:44:55
>> Month. Just year.
01:44:57
>> I'll take anything.
01:44:58
>> Yeah. Oldest without going. All of it.
01:45:00
Yeah. Like pick a date.
01:45:02
>> All right.
01:45:04
All right. Flip them and read. What do
01:45:07
we got?
01:45:09
Oh,
01:45:12
>> wow.
01:45:13
>> I'm so excit No, I definitely wrote down
01:45:17
incorrectly.
01:45:18
>> Uh, I wrote June 8th, 2021 at 5:55 a.m.
01:45:22
London time.
01:45:23
>> Okay. Answer.
01:45:24
>> You did not write London. What?
01:45:26
>> I wrote March 2023. Okay.
01:45:29
>> I wrote March 1st, 2021.
01:45:31
>> Damn. No one got the point.
01:45:33
>> We all went too.
01:45:34
>> You're all too new.
01:45:35
>> Really?
01:45:36
>> It's funny. I accidentally wrote 2020
01:45:38
and then put three over it. Would that
01:45:40
have been okay?
01:45:41
>> Dang.
01:45:42
>> It was February 18th, 2021.
01:45:45
>> Oh,
01:45:45
>> yeah.
01:45:46
>> That was close.
01:45:47
>> Damn, that was close.
01:45:47
>> I know you guys got close, but you went
01:45:49
over close without
01:45:51
>> like one day off. I I I started here
01:45:54
February 1st, 2021, and I remember it
01:45:56
being soon after I started, but I didn't
01:45:57
know it was like within two weeks.
01:45:58
>> Yeah. Well, good game. GG.
01:46:00
>> Damn.
01:46:01
>> All right.
01:46:01
>> Almost so Ellis and I can start this
01:46:04
edit.
01:46:04
>> Dang. Hey, long week. It's
01:46:06
Teember/March.
01:46:07
Uh, which means there's probably going
01:46:08
to be a bunch of stuff next week, too.
01:46:10
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01:46:16
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01:46:17
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01:46:19
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01:46:23
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01:46:23
>> Merry Tarchmus.
01:46:25
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01:46:25
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01:46:27
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01:46:30
>> Bingo.
01:46:32
>> Bingo.
01:46:33
>> Should we
01:46:42
like
01:46:42
>> It's not a graph. It's a chart.
01:46:44
>> Okay.
01:46:45
>> A chart is a moving. I would like to see
01:46:47
a graph. There's a graph near the
