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[Music] what's going on people of the internet welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts i'm marquez and i'm andrew and i'm fresh
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back from the met gala yeah all three hours of sleep i got were great and uh today's episode we got a whole bunch of
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stuff we're going to talk about the full specs of the subaru saltera just because
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they're conversation worthy i think yeah that's a nice way of putting it yeah um but there's also some twitch rumors
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floating around that might be very consequential to twitch partners and also we have some updates on the f150
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lightning and i also have some some future stuff we want to talk about but then we'll always wrap up with some
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trivia like we have always not always done but like we've started doing and i think it's super fun but i also think
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like you can't just throw the met gal out there and not like elaborate a little bit that that's a flashlight you
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know what sure let's just go uh that'll be my story time for this episode we've done so much tech stuff but yeah i was i
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was at the met gala uh on may 2nd which was no big deal you know pretty uh fish out of water as i would
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as i would describe it so uh the way it was sort of broken down is uh the met gala for those who are
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unfamiliar is a sort of fashion event uh fundraiser in new york city yeah but it's it's become like the super bowl of fashion events basically so yeah so anytime you see it happen basically i
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don't really follow the fashion world that much and then once in a while on twitter i see everyone's craziest outfit so i'm like
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oh the met gala happened and that's like once per year basically they took a year off after the pandemic then there was a
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a couple months ago they did a pre-med gala or something like that but then we're back in 2022
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and like two weeks before i got an email from derek blasberg he's the head of fashion at google on youtube and was
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like hey do you want to go to the met gala i was like oh oh yeah i i maybe sure i
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guess that sounds fun i looked up uh in the past like have youtubers gone to the met gala before and there have started
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to be a few it's kind of like uh actually kind of relate it to apple events remember the earliest days of apple events where there actually weren't any youtubers at them yeah
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and i was actually the first youtuber that was invited to an apple launch event and now not to take credit but now they've realized that that's a good idea and now there are youtubers at every
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tech event especially with apple events there's tons of us there um so i looked it up there have been a couple of
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youtubers in the past that have gone to met galas typically though they're in the fashion industry
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so as a tech creator i was a little bit confused i started reaching out to some youtube friends like did you get a email about a met gala did you get an email yes nobody else had gotten one but i
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texted mark rober mark robert also got an invite and we were both a little confused about if we should go or not
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but we did both decide to go we were like we'll be fish out of water together we'll just go do the thing works better
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that way yeah yeah so we had each other's back it was uh it was very it was very
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interesting as you can imagine an event like that would be i'll just i will say derek is clearly a legend like i didn't know i didn't know what i was getting myself into but if i could do my first
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met gala all over again i would not rather have any other host than derek blasberg so he
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he walks into the place and literally immediately it was like his birthday the week before and people like oh it's
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derek what's up man happy birthday good to see you i think uh we got to the the red carpet which is how everyone gets
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into the event and i think i stepped out of our van for 15 seconds and immediately uh hugh jackman's like derek man what's going on shakes his hand he she shakes
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my hand hi i'm hugh hi hugh i'm marquez like i i know who you are yeah i know but um you know there's there's all the who's who's of i guess fashion and you see celebrity and musicians and
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things like that and there's a theme and everybody wears an outfit according to the theme um which was a little bit interesting i
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think people saw the theme which was gilded fashioned something american american fashion i think people
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saw the word gilded and thought oh you need to have gold that's not what the theme was the theme was it was from the
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gilded age of fashion which was this golden age of like new wealth coming to the us this is like the the early 19th century mid-19th century and then
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yeah there's like an extra like american on top of it look at the fashion icon over here
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this podcast is gonna be a fashion podcast and riada is going to take my space yeah no this this was i'm i don't
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know if i'll ever go back to another med gala but this was quite an experience i'll remember for a long time lots of people are like who did you meet who was
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the cool outfits i i met a lot of people a lot of them were very nice uh my number one thing that i think i'll
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i'll take away from going to the met were number one i realize everyone how tall and short
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everyone is because on tv and like in acting and music videos i guess i never really think too hard about the context
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of like oh venus williams is super tall i didn't know that i looked it up after she walked by me uh on google and said she's six one i don't believe that you she either she's like three right and
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wearing huge heels or she's like six six wow because she's definitely taller than me
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um erica bad dude is very tall um hillary clinton's not very tall hugh jackman's not the tallest jackman's tall
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okay i think he's my height was he okay yeah so that was the one thing i got out of it and then i got that you know derek
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knows everyone hillary clinton walks up to him derek happy birthday man katy perry derek happy birthday literally
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everyone we walked by we were walking in the streets of new york city after the after after the met to one of the
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like instagram after parties and literally a car driving by on fifth avenue window rolls down derrick man
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how's it going so that was my gal experience at the instagram after party were all the celebrities wondering why
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there's no ipad app no that wasn't topic of conversation there was it was it no there wasn't
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really any any sort of string of there was very little tech to talk about put it that way i i do have to say you
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said that might be your last event i vote you keep going if you're invited until you meet taylor swift and then you
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know i'll give you then you're allowed to stop going fair okay all right that's yeah that's fair thank you i appreciate
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you i'll go i'll i'll definitely go if mark goes again i think we had a good you know eye-opening time um so shout
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out to mark rober also we we sort of we suited up obviously i wear a tux i posted the picture about how it was map like everything i got so much heat about how the shoes didn't look matte black
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i'll tell you in the photo they didn't look matte black because compared to fabric you know matte black leather doesn't
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look as matte black as fabric but the shoes were matte black and to prove it look at me in any picture with anyone else's shoes and their shoes are way shinier i posted a separate i'll put a
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separate picture up of the shoes they're matte black leather just so you know this is very important the lights just hit different i just have to be sure
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yeah so matte black bow tie matte black shirt and matte black jacket for anyone who thinks he changed just for the mech
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gala he did not they're matte black i'm still the marker as you know you know me blood runs thick yeah it's not it's not
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going anywhere actually here's the funny part so anna winter uh is the the she runs the event and she runs vogue and so
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the med gala everyone who goes is hand approved by her and as i did the suit tailoring and
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fitting they had to send a picture of my fit to her for approval i did the fitting in a
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white shirt and a white bow tie and you know they get they're like oh yeah we have to get your cuff length you
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know a quarter of an inch we can't be sending a gentleman out there with a half an inch of cuff showing anna will not accept that that's not gonna work so
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like i go you know get the the length all set right they pin everything down they send the picture so when i get the
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email like yep you know your your cova tests are negative your id went through everything's good and anna winter
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approved your exact fit so we suggest you wear that but we'll include the black versions just in case okay and so on my way there i'm googling it like what is white tie like how flexible is
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this am i allowed to wear all black and i convinced myself like i gotta go map like everything i just i have to so
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i wore the black tie i did it black shirt that was it so matte black everything's is vogue
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approved is what i'm seeing well i did shake her hand but like she never approved the black version she approved the black and white version but i just everyone was wearing black and white so i had to do my thing you know you did it
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but i didn't get kicked out so we'll see if i get invited back that's the mad gala and you wore an apple watch i did i wanted to ask you i
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forgot it was really funny so mark rober had this incredible watch with this like
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planetary system and these amazing complications i don't know if he would even let me say how much that watch cost it's like one
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of 10 in the world it's 17. it's 16 did you look it up like that you know how much it costs i did not look i don't
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know how much it costs i just know how rare it is he when we left the met he took it off and put it in his pocket
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i'll put it that way all right um i had the the black apple watch oh and i was like i was like i got to get the mkbhd
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band going so at least i'm wearing me or something like that but yeah i had a i had an apple watch on wow
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yeah hit that yeah i just shook anna winter's hand so take that kevin what are you gonna do about that kevin uh no it was a good time that's awesome uh i'm gonna talk about twitch yeah i
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don't know how i segway metcala to twitch so we're there it is yeah um yeah i you know if you've been listening to this podcast for a while i love talking about live streaming and we've talked
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about it a lot because i while we always talk about youtube kind of being like the end-all be-all
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at least for now or in the foreseeable future they're video on demand like no one's beating them we've talked about
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vimeo they're not doing great twitch right now that's generous while is being is like the mainstay livestream platform i think there's
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room for that to be taken over definitely i think youtube's a huge competitor there um
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which i'm gonna get into a little later but that's why i think i find this so interesting um so bloomberg leaked a
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some changes twitch is considering making to its partnership program the way you monetize on twitch is if you get
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enough viewers there's some metrics you can hit that you get something called the affiliate program which enables your
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sub button um if you're unaware of twitch subbing on twitch is a little different than on youtube it's more like the membership platform on youtube where you
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pay money yeah um and then you get like ad freeze on that channel you get some uh emotes and stuff like that um
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so you you unlock your sub button at affiliate and you do a 50 50 revenue split with them that's the only way you
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make money at a certain point if you can get far enough you can get personally sponsored or partnered excuse me with
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twitch that gets a little different there's negotiations in there there's rumors of people maybe like
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shroud ninja people you know those those high high streamers getting up to like 70 30
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splits like really really good change your revenue supply if you get bigger because you're important enough to them
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you negotiate in the contract um so these changes i'll just go over them one by one here and we can talk about each of them um just these are considered changes not finalized but
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incentives for more ads so like more ad breaks during the live stream play more ads new revenue split seventy percent
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down to fifty percent that's a massive number if so was seventy percent by default i don't think by default but i think there are plenty of people who are up at the
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seventy percent oh and the range back down to fifty back to 50 which is the default affiliate range anybody who
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can hit a certain amount of viewers can get to there okay a new tier system and no more exclusivity
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so i mean i saw this around in the tech world you know we look at gaming and everything a lot all every single live streamer i followed tweeted about this because for live streamers on
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twitch some of these are terrifying yeah i would say um let's just start with revenue split 70
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to 50. because like 20 and literally anything is a giant yeah giant jump so for for the people who
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were at the 70 tier it's just a pay cut it's a big pay cut um when you're i i do
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believe though if you had your contract already like you're probably they're probably gonna have to go through that
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contract um so i don't know when these changes might happen if they do happen um but a 20 paid decrease is gigantic
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that sounds like a company that's struggling to make money and then when you saw like the other stuff like incentives for more ads which we might
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talk about more like youtube's done the same thing youtube has allowed more mid-rolls like that you used to have a
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10-minute video before you needed to if you wanted to enable mid roles in a video the video had to be at least 10
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minutes long they moved that to eight minutes yeah and they also automatically checked the box on new eight minute plus
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uploads to just automatically add mid rolls yeah so youtube's been through this where they're like okay we need to
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make more money here's what we're gonna do so incentivizing more ads isn't new we've seen it before
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it works i'm not shocked that twitch is gonna try to do that yeah the revenue split cut sounds like okay we really
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need to find some money somewhere is twitch struggling that much i don't know so i have two i i think the biggest reason when i first read this is if you'll remember
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the that revenue split counts with amazon prime subs which is if you have amazon prime you get one free sub every
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month and the creators still get the full revenue split from that even though the person's not paying anything it's like
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they're paying five dollars to the creators so if someone has amazon prime they are given one free sub per month
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every month when they sub to you the the creator will still get the split of what
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you were supposed to get paid exactly paid full price and then twitch gets zero well uh yeah i guess ultimately twitch
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like they get yeah they get 30 of their money that they gave out already right i
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guess um so i think that and now if we can connect that to the incentive for more ads that would be my guess as to
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why this is becoming an issue they want to still have creators make up that 20 difference so they're gonna have assume assuming some sort of incentive obviously to run more ads because they
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want the creators to make more money to make up for that but they obviously we're not making money
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off of free subscriptions now there's obviously people doing regular subscriptions there's some benefits and there's tier systems to do bigger
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subscriptions but i mean there are a lot of amazon prime members out there and there are a lot of
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amazon prime subs if you watch a a popular streamer they'll constantly be like thanks for the prime sub thanks for
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the prime sub like oh does it tell you when it's a prime step or the person's one they're alerts depending on what
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their alerts are but you will see a lot of people specifically mention prime subs and i think the reason they mention
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it is because some people still don't know that they have problems so if they say it somebody might ask that's smart
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there's a whole meme of ninja like creating this selling point of like what a prime sub was because he would constantly say it during his streams all the time and then that's why he got to a
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point where he had hundreds of thousands of subs yeah um now the biggest issue though and what i
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see a lot of people complaining about with the incentive for more ads is like twitch has kind of been pushing ads
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towards the creators recently um i think within the last year they created a rule it used to just be ads would play pre-roll and then once you got into it
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the creators basically had their chances for ad breaks and could send them whatever now you have to run at least one minute of ads per hour
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of streaming you have to i believe that's just for partners but okay an hour or one minute of ads for an hour of
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streaming now that doesn't sound that bad but there are a lot of streamers who hate that like absolutely hate that some
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of the some of them are just doing so well and they do well on subs like they don't care about admid roles or like the
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money from ads so they don't really run them at all and to them it's like it's interrupting this part of a live
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broadcast and when you're doing things live a lot of times you're doing them that you know that content is lasting
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more than an hour you're not just playing games where it's like 20 minute game i could queue up running that mid-roll you're not gonna miss anything
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so those ads coming in are potentially like popping up at the worst times and you
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could be like literally missing content that's happening on the live stream um and that's just like it's a terrible user experience i totally get why twitch would want to do that because they need to make more
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money but that's a bad user experience and bad partner experience yeah it's in twitch's best interest to try to get
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people used to ads and i've always been on the same side like ads are not a good experience i don't like watching ads i
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don't like getting interrupted with a double unskippable pre-roll or mid-roll or something like that so if i can avoid
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serving those ads i will also avoid that because i don't want to give people that bad experience but yeah it's in twitch's
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best interest to make it to normalize it to normalize ads and make people cool with like yeah there's gonna be a one
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minute mid-roll it's been an hour like that's just gonna happen sometimes so i get i kind of see both sides of it this
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also kind of reminded me of i saw this headline recently i just pulled it back up uh tesla cancels employee bonuses tied to delivery quotas raises salaries
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to compensate so it's like you might net the same but they remove the structure of one version of a getting paid and replace it with another so if you if if they twitch
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wants people to run ads more they'll just go hey your revenue split is lower guess what run more ads that almost
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feels like the opposite of what you just said though because like in a sales sales force like hitting quotas
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yeah this this feels like they're trying to go from like hey you're salaried with your subs we're cutting that yeah
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usually it's the other way i appreciate the tesla version of that way better than this i have a couple tweets real
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quick from a few streamers who mentioned this and actually um a pretty good argument on the same side um hassan who is like
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within the last two years probably one of the biggest creators on the platform um he streams like 10 hours a day i
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think he during kovid streamed 365 days straight or something like that dude people ask me why i don't stream on twitch like it is a different skill it is is it different it's crazy what you
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can do which is why but again that's why ads are so much different on there because like you're keeping people
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entertained for these long amounts of times running those ads are interrupting things where when we do mid-rolls like
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we can be like oh this video has a natural break in it and we can figure that out later and put it in and it
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works yeah um so hassan said when i negotiated my contract i knew this was coming and wanted to lock in one minute
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of ads per hour is sad density is the lowest out of the top streamers twitch still serves pre-rolls because it wasn't
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three minutes love twitch but it seems like they're moving away from cc to fix their profits um which then again even
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just reading that it makes it seem like this leak is probably going to happen if he seems to
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know that something like that was happening before um his contract negotiation and then
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pokemane who obvi i think everyone knows pokeyman's name she's been a huge twitch streamer forever twitch should implement
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ads that don't directly interfere with a stream sidebar picture picture underlay i understand advertisers are essential to making a platform profitable but
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interviewing with the viewers experience isn't how they go about it so so twitch doesn't have like pop-up or banner ads
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or any of the other types of ads at all they might have some banner ads on the home page but i don't think on a streamer's profile wow that's actually a
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huge difference because on youtube that's been a thing forever where i i literally up until like two years ago
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and never ran a single mid roll i was like well we've got the ads that pop up we've got the ads on the side the channel is self-sustaining we're not
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hiring like we don't need to do mid-rolls yeah and like that was fine they just ran themselves like that so that's interesting and i'm kind of
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surprised twitch doesn't just pop up on the top of the chat just like a a big square ad that credits
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the creator the same way not i agree but uh line has slipped into these comments and actually has a pretty
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good rebuttal to it um those ads are barely profitable as for a text-based site that's pretty much worthless since
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2010 unless you can pretty much guarantee the viewer can't ignore it it does nothing for the advertor advertiser
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so why would they pay for it i think that's pretty reasonable although i like the idea of potentially
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if the sidebar covered up the chat when it happened it bumps down the chat it just appears
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above the chat and even if it fully went over the chat it's still interfering with the
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stream itself but not the actual content maybe it's interfering with like some reactions but if that's only a minute
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long like that's way better than completely blanking out video it's the same way like uh youtube has ads that
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pop up over the bottom of the video and you get inside of them like yes it's interrupting literally the video imagine
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being in a theater and an ad pops up over the movie like that would never happen so yeah it's interrupting but not
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it's it's still an ad that's credited to that viewer and you're targeting that channel still seems pretty good maybe
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there's a bigger difference in like tech savviness of the average twitch viewer versus the average youtube viewer yeah
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and i do agree with linus as too like if you if it pops up on the side and i'm watching
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i can just completely ignore it yeah and why would like you're not going to pay the big bucks for that you want to make sure it's something um i do know twitch
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has done some things in the past where they they're called bounties where it's almost like twitch can help streamers
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find sponsored integrations throughout and i wonder if they'll do more stuff like that because that seems like an actual good idea where it doesn't interrupt content quite as much kind of
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changes the content a bit but if you like a streamer and their personality usually you're having a good time in something like that
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um my last quick thing here the exclusivity part of it feels crazy so what is that eliminating so like if you're a twitch partner you have to you're streaming on
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twitch you're only allowed to live stream on twitch okay you still have youtube vods almost every single twitch
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streamer does but if you're not exclusive that means there's plenty of platforms out there or
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programs where you can multi-stream so you could stream to twitch and to youtube at the same time and broaden
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your audience and they obviously didn't want to do that because youtube's a competitor but no exclusivity means now so you can
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do it do stuff like that that feels cool very strange it is kind of cool i'll be interested to
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see how it goes i wonder if it could ever pull users away from the platform i mean youtube's clearly take an aim at
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some of the big streamers they have tim the tatman valkrei uh courage uh ludwig's a huge one that they just
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brought over he just did an interview with susan recently like youtube's clearly gunning for things i don't think
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i'm even gonna get on the topic of what i think youtube can do and what's going on over there i hope eventually we can
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get deeper into that but like youtube's coming for them twitch is making mistakes all the time
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i think this battle's getting closer and closer i think there's some holes in the armor i think that's a good thing i think the
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competition is gonna make like the fact that the competition is making it better for streamers like hey you can there's
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no more exclusives now and hey you can do you can try youtube at the same time if you want to and all these things are
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making it a better overall experience wouldn't happen if youtube wasn't competing yeah
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but there's also a 20 revenue split cut drop i almost wonder if the exclusivity thing was like uh
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hey we know this sucks maybe you can go mix that 20 on youtube with 20 of your viewers or something interesting okay i want to pin this for later but i also keep thinking in the
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back my head like what is harder entertaining for 10 hours straight live or spending 10 hours on a video that's only five minutes long that you then upload and entertain
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someone for five minutes straight i don't think there needs to be there probably isn't one that's harder or the
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other there are people who are good at different things very different skill very different skills i think there are people who live stream that would have a
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really hard time focusing and polishing something down to 10 minutes i think there's people who can hyper focus on
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something that would be like 90 of their livestream would be like dead space yeah imagine me trying to
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talk about like the new do it s 22. can you imagine can we just do a day where we come into work and you live stream the entire day and you have to entertain
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woof i'd have to switch it up at some point uh we're gonna take a quick break but i think right before that
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we have a trivia question it's my new favorite thing the rivian r1t won the motor trend truck
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of the year for 2022. which truck won in 2021 truck of the year 2021 that's a good question all right yeah yeah we're good
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done this before uh there's a new ev and this time it's from subaru now we were looking for you're looking forward to this because you've been following subaru's release yeah new is like we've known about it and they've teased it
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forever and like we've seen it and it's slowly grown up and there's been rumors but now we have it all we knew subaru
00:26:51
was going to come out with a soul terra that it would be an electric vehicle that it would be a sort of a crossover size thing yeah and we were just waiting
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for like release date spec that's sort of the big price the three big ones um and we did finally
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get those things so what do we do first the price let's just start with the price we cry cry spoiler alert
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foreshadowing yeah it's not it's not uh what we were hoping so starting price 45k
00:27:16
that was didn't we make it better we had a bet on that yeah what was the bet um i think it was over i think did we say 39
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or did we say like 42-5 the bet was over under 39k over under 39. back in november 18th of 2021 i think i went the pessimistic route and set over i took the under
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under 39. so yeah andrew was over marquez was under damn all right i took that l i think i i in my mind i wanted
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to win either way this was going to be a huge win if so subaru went under 39 and
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it was gonna be a huge loss of one over that sort of i need the little win so that's your emotional damage here's the one
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time i'll be happy for the rest of this segment um yeah 45 is a tough price it's it's a
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starting price it's an ev supply chain shortages i kind of get it but it's like it's not going to be cheap to start at
00:28:08
45k so that's where it is beginning 45k i want to check right now this might be their most expensive car that they
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sell most expensive starting i can see that let me check real quick so their most expensive car
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is the top level trim ascent which is their three row suv that's at 45.9 but you can also get a base ascent at 32. so like okay this is their most expensive car
00:28:34
elite frogs the entire lineup in price you got to really want this one so what do you get for your 45k to start you get
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a 228 mile range and uh you get a quoted zero to 80 percent battery charge in under an hour yeah okay rough so
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that's that would have been good in like 20 2017 228 mile range would have been okay in
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2017. these these specs to me feel like they're like super base level specs where i would only be impressed with these specs if we were getting a new price range like if we
00:29:12
were getting a 30 000 car with these specs exactly i would be like this is amazing this is our go this is like the
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jump into being far more affordable and like 228 it's not that great compared to
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other things we've had but if you're looking at like a super base level ev that's going to get you to and from work pretty much every single day on your charge from like your garage right so
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like sure you're making the sacrifice of not being able to do long road trips quite as easily
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but like you're trying to buy the cheapest tv possible like you know you're going to have to sacrifice i would basically in like the most basic
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sense of it be looking for either a low price or a high range one or the other and this has neither
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this is neither it's a high price and a low range yeah and then even with the low range giving it this under an hour
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i think someone quoted it at 0 to 80 was like 56 minutes yeah so it's 100 kilowatt charging so just for some
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context the new like if you look at a tesla right now they charge at 200 to 250 kilowatts if you find the chargers
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that support it yeah the the slower tesla superchargers are 150 kilowatts and then the fastest ones you might see
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uh i think a ti-can supports 300 you know kilowatt charging so there's some really fast either i think there's
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even some cheaper ones now i isn't the hyundai and the kia like quote 300. i think the ionic might be the fastest charging there's one that does three three yeah i think that's it i have it here later um because i'm i want to
00:30:39
compare these to the the ev6 and the ionic five but i think the ionic five has like 0 to 80 in like 16 minutes or something
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like that so the 100 kilowatt charging being the max on a fast charger is also pretty disappointing in 2022 like if you drop this car today that would have been again fine in 2017
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but again we're looking at a 45k starting price and a low range so though you could redeem it with super fast
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charging but it's also not super fast charging yeah and okay like to put into context here also like 45 000
00:31:13
you know when we only talk about evs a lot doesn't sound like the craziest price in the world but when we're talking about
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just the average person in a car and especially the average person getting a subaru you can get a hatchback impreza
00:31:24
starting at 19 at under 20. yeah so to have a car that's it's more similar to like the crosstrek
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which is basically the hatchback impreza lifted a little bit at double the price you have to really want the election
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yeah it feels like not quite for that crowd yeah um so it is a really i consider it way overpriced i think um a couple things some people really don't like the design of it i've heard people
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say it doesn't look like a subaru i kind of disagree with not looking like i think the crosstrek and the imprezas
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have been becoming like a little sleeker and harder lines and i think it kind of follows that path and isn't too far off
00:32:02
um i know people don't like the like it has these black matte sides kind of to the front of it
00:32:09
that i don't love but i don't hate i don't think it looks that bad the interior looks fine
00:32:14
there's a lot of like interesting design decisions that have to be made with evs because there's always like oh i'm
00:32:20
looking at it now yeah that's interesting i actually kind of like it but i also think you don't have to look like the other cars in the lineup this
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is the thing like the mock e which i'm starting to see everywhere uh you have you see monkey everywhere
00:32:31
yeah you have the flat plastic front grille which i think is nice the performance version has that so it's the
00:32:37
body matching color on the front grille like that's not a thing you see in other performance mustangs it's like different
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that's fine and you also see a lot of aero caps every time you see an ev they're trying to maximize efficiency
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error caps are a big deal and you just don't see arrow caps on most of the other evs so you see those two things
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you know it's the eevee and it looks like the eevee and i think it's fine to be a little different like yeah so yeah
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i don't mind how it looks i give it a six and a half out of ten if i'm being honest right now pure design i have
00:33:05
never been super into the subaru aesthetic this is my favorite looking subaru there i totally agree with you as
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a subaru fan there are their aesthetic is always like alone their wrx's i think look really
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nice but then other than that they're pretty much fine i just it's usually like reliability and price and price is
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why i like them so much yeah um but so like another thing here is that this is built
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with toyota as well toyota is also coming out with a bz4x which is pretty much the exact same car if you look at it i mean it is the exact same car it's similar to what toyota and
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subaru did with the brz and the i forget if it's the frs or the type 86 i i think they change the name sometimes and i will get crucified for saying that um but
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the the biggest issue here though is if you the bz4x is cheaper and has some different specs so the
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problem is is subaru likes to do all-wheel drive on everything so they're only offering the all-wheel drive version which we know for av means less
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efficiency so now you're losing range on it um but there is still a bz4 x all-wheel drive that's a thousand
00:34:08
dollars cheaper okay well i mean yeah so all so adding a second motor obviously adds weight but you can improve efficiency if you have lower powered motors if you have the right motor combo
00:34:20
so far in all the cars i'm going to mention in this segment the all-wheel drive version has less range right then there's
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a higher performance version okay yeah dang well you know they tried i think subaru yeah so you can get a bz4x um forward or front wheel drive which i do
00:34:39
like i don't there's not a huge difference between rear wheel and front wheel if you're in
00:34:44
snow rear wheel generally can be a little harder to navigate because the back slips out so i do like that the bz4 x
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has a front wheel drive and 252 miles of range for 42k so like i would pick that
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over the soleterra better it's better even if you like the sole turret that is it yeah it's just cheaper it has more range yeah um but to compare it
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here we said it before the reason this is so tough to look at is because of the ev6 and the ionic 5
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right now which are very similarly sized test the ionic five eight i'm sorry i saw one when i was on vacation it looks so good absolutely the interior had this like weird white
00:35:25
bezels on the screen that i didn't love but other than that like from the outside i was like whoo there's a car
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like you don't see like it doesn't look like anything else on the road right now that's it that's another thing so you look at other
00:35:35
hyundais and if i was a hyundai fan i'd be like this doesn't look exactly like any other hyundai i think that's totally
00:35:41
fine and it's got the i like the wheels i love the lights dude it gives me the lights
00:35:47
it's like if it feels like if rivian was building a crossover like hayato has mentioned it before that rivien is
00:35:53
they're getting away from that super aggressive which i actually do really like but this more like friendly feel to
00:35:59
it yeah i'm like friendly robots not like terminator robots so like it has that friendly feel you know what this
00:36:05
reminds me of so a really long time ago back in the day maybe the first car i can ever remember my family having was
00:36:11
called a grand prix and it had those like square lights in the tail lights okay and the ioniq is a modernized version of those tail lights it's a gran let me can
00:36:22
i find a grand prix yeah you can kind of find yep it's got the tail lights and there they're always like these these dots and everything
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uh and this is just a new super modern version of it so i'm i'm very into the ionic i want to test it i
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want to see if it's good but like you said on paper it beats it in everything it's got 300 miles of range it starts at
00:36:49
about what 42k is that what it is and the sultera or the ionic the ionic here i can yeah i have some ionic specs here
00:36:56
um 300 miles 42k rear wheel drive you can get all-wheel drive 252 miles at 47k but also remember that's 2000 more expensive but fast charging also charges
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dramatically faster dramatically fast like that's not even a competition almost three times faster i think than that and then you also have the kia ev6
00:37:14
which i also think looks really really good um you can get 230 miles of range rear-wheel drive at
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40k 310 miles of range rear-wheel drive 47k or you can do 274 miles of range all-wheel drive for 50k yeah it's it's all about context like i know a lot of people here like the difference between
00:37:34
220 miles and 300 miles is like okay 80 more miles of range what does that even mean uh it's all about just like
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convenience how often you have to charge it and if you were to do a longer trip yeah the type of like experience you
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would have so you know the the sweet spot today being somewhere between 300 and 400 miles because that's when you're gonna have to get out and use the bathroom anyway um and then just being able to stop
00:37:58
anywhere in charge the 220 mile range version of this experience is like kind of inconvenient because you're stopping more often than you have to and then you're adding stops for just charging
00:38:10
but not using the bathroom or snacking and then it's just a whole metal and using the bathroom and snacking can with
00:38:16
a one hour slow charger yes see that's that's that's yeah that's the cherry on top is
00:38:22
the slow charging i really can't believe that that's what it ended up with so i'd rather save five thousand dollars get
00:38:27
the ev6 same range but zero to eighty percent in 18 minutes yeah on the right charger it's like it's like when the
00:38:34
oneplus has like a smaller battery but it charges at like a million miles an hour they'll give like 80 watt charging to a 3800 milliamp hour battery it's
00:38:41
like this phone doesn't last all day but the second i plug it in it's like added 40 so i'm cool with that cool with that yes
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so i think all in all at the end of the day i'm sad me sad andrew sad you won the
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bets i won the bet but it doesn't make up for yeah was there a concept maybe it was there a consequence for that bet maybe that'll cheer me up i don't know if we bet anything i think we just bet to bet bragging rights bragging rights
00:39:08
aren't fun well well i think our next bet was about f-150 lightning which is think that one might have a hot sauce
00:39:15
consequence well i think i'll check that i'm very wrong about that because they've already spoiler alert we're gonna have one soon so i mean a good
00:39:22
segue after this break and after this trivia question we're gonna talk a little bit about some f-150 updates some
00:39:28
good some bad some brutally honest so and maybe some hot sauce okay that's fine all right
00:39:34
uh let's get one more trivia question take a quick break then we'll come back and talk about all that stuff okay so this one is
00:39:41
about phones so in august 2018 red released the hydrogen one the company also makes all the cameras we use around here besides like the one that heyota uses so the question is how many megapixels
00:39:52
did that rear camera have on the one hydrogen one how many megapixels the rear hydrogen one rear
00:39:59
camera okay never i mean i have a chance i have a guess actually i don't know if
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i know the exact answer but um it's coming back to me sadly i'm remembering all the sad things about that phone
00:40:10
think about it on this advert yes [Music] all right we're back let's talk about this uh i want to talk about this this video that's really messing with my head on twitter it's a
00:40:30
video okay of somebody in a tesla model s i guess it's a plaid or it's a refresh model s who hits a button in the ui with a power lifting frunk it opens the front i've
00:40:41
been waiting for this on the model s for forever you have to manually lift the front it's not a huge deal but every new ev with a frunk is doing the power
00:40:48
lifting front lucid f-150 rivian so great so that's that's something that's been added and then also there's a
00:40:54
button in the ui to tilt that center screen yeah towards the user this is another pretty minor
00:41:01
thing but the old model s's with the vertical screens default tilted the entire screen towards
00:41:07
the driver that was kind of neat there'd be less glare you could see everything but your passenger wouldn't really be using the screen very
00:41:13
much in the new cars the screen is flat so as someone who came from the old car it's
00:41:18
like it's kind of away from me and so i heard i think they said in the original presentation of the new car like it'll have tilting or it's at least been on the website since i got the car it's never tilted so this video pops up
00:41:32
and it looks like it's i mean this is the type of thing that could be added with a software update but the more i
00:41:38
look into this video the more it's messing with my head so first of all it comes from a user larry lee whose username is tesla franc
00:41:49
okay and who has notoriously tweeted and sold aftermarket installs of power opening fronks so now i'm like okay is this did you add this to the car or
00:42:03
it did test this or the screen just the front just the front i'm just wondering about the front the
00:42:09
that twitter name changes me from thinking this is a new video i do automatically but you said it
00:42:14
did go through the ui right so that's the thing so he went through the ui and the caption to the video is
00:42:19
tesla finally added screen swivel to the refresh model s so it doesn't mention the frunk so to me this guy's selling an
00:42:26
aftermarket front with this tweet and you could still could go through the ui because it's just the original front
00:42:32
button right i believe i mean it's hard to see in there but it he could have just somehow you could just connect that too when the
00:42:38
hydraulics on it or whatever feel the latch open up it just automatically exactly right now in the ui i hit the
00:42:44
front button it just opens the latch okay and then you can pull it open so maybe he's got a system where when it
00:42:49
feels the latch open it opens it all the way with the power system i believe that that is not from tesla i agree with
00:42:56
you there but i don't know it should be that seems like a pretty obvious thing to do okay but i would go
00:43:01
i would agree with you after market so the second part is the the swiveling screen part which has been even weirder
00:43:09
to me so like i said since day one since i bought the car it has said on the site
00:43:14
that this is a tilting screen okay there's never been a button to tilt it you can pull it all you want it won't
00:43:20
tilt it's been flat there have been tear downs of the model s that suggest that the parts are there
00:43:26
for it to be able to tilt that was my first question but it's lacking the electric motor to
00:43:33
actually push the tilt out so it's got the arm folded back in place okay but the the mechanism to power tilt it isn't
00:43:41
there so now this tweet says tesla finally added screen swivel to refresh model s
00:43:46
this makes me think okay either one it's a new software update and all cars after
00:43:52
a certain date have the electric motors and they will get the software update and be able
00:43:58
to swivel the screen or this is a a new vin car where they just started adding the motors like yesterday or this is also an aftermarket modification but the fact that he said
00:44:12
tesla added it makes me think it's not an aftermarket modification yeah but i'm still not sure if my car which i
00:44:19
bought when it said it would have screen tilt will get the screen tilt i if i was guessing
00:44:25
i would say that this is something i'm going to have to get my car into a tesla shop to be retrofit
00:44:31
for not sure how long that will take not sure if that's true or false not sure it should be free because they said it
00:44:36
would have the future in the first place it's true um but i i am not sure i just i have so many more questions
00:44:43
than answers after seeing yes i would say i mean like hearing that whole breakdown
00:44:49
i would i would imagine they would offer for free if you're right about the mechanisms being in there just minus the
00:44:55
motors yeah if that part is not true then i see no chance of that which is it's just a new vin number yeah but like
00:45:02
it's crazy but that's not it's unlike what we've seen in the history of tesla yeah tesla's talked about stuff before
00:45:08
that's never happened i still can't play what was the game they said the witcher they said they put some games on this side
00:45:14
yeah you still can't play the games that they showed in the car at launch like in the when you went to the tesla event
00:45:19
when people were there it was showing a bunch of games on the screen and everyone who reported about the car said
00:45:24
you'll be able to play games at your stop with a controller that has also never happened so i'm not going to sit here and pretend they've never not
00:45:31
shipped something they said they would ship so i'm interested as is this a if the parts are in there and there's no motors was this a just like you know supply chain issue where they
00:45:42
sent them out and were kind of hoping no one would notice because they have sent cars out also just like remember the
00:45:47
usbc ports that just didn't have the connection on they had the drill out they did retrofit those for free though
00:45:53
right but they did also ship them out without telling anybody about it yeah and letting people figure out themselves
00:45:58
and the screen tilt is not going like you're not going to find that out yeah like usbc isn't like a listed maybe it
00:46:05
is a listed feature on the site but like the screen tilt seems like it's one where like they put it on the site as a feature they mentioned it before so i'm
00:46:12
like i think it would be weird to never ship screen tilts there's no button in the software currently correct okay yeah so
00:46:19
anyway that i just wanted to share that this video is really messed with my head i'm sorry i'm just gonna maybe by the time this podcast comes out we have an
00:46:24
update and i'll have my car getting the screen tilt but as of right now this one account being the only one who can tell
00:46:31
me about it who happens to also do aftermarket stuff to cars is really messing with me it's gonna be hard to get a drone fly over to see if they're
00:46:37
adding yeah that might be a little too close um all right other ev news really quick dodge finally teased their ram 1500 ev which
00:46:48
is like this this feels up there with like if you're talking about the most popular
00:46:53
vehicles in the us this is the other 1500 is like right there with f-150 i'm pretty sure it goes
00:46:59
f-150 series ram 1500 series and then another truck yeah and then i like the camry or
00:47:05
something i think it's actually rav4 crv and then like cameron yeah so we're we're talking about one of the biggest
00:47:12
the next biggest vehicle in the us um it's the teaser is very small they really didn't say anything they took a
00:47:17
little shot with it have we brightened it uh i have not but i think this is already like
00:47:24
kind of a brain dead from their like little video yeah it's just pretty much the the lights coming up on front which
00:47:30
do look really nice and it says ram across the front of the truck looks really sleek
00:47:35
from the like silhouette you're getting of it yeah um we'll see i feel like dodge hasn't mentioned much about evs i
00:47:42
i really don't ever remember talking about them yeah it's funny when you think about like ford versus dodge okay
00:47:48
so ford beat dodge to the punch for an electric pickup truck yeah but when i think of the the ford crowd as much as
00:47:55
you're like a truck person's a truck person they don't want electric the the dodge crowd i think seems
00:48:01
from the outside in even more like petrol head like like gas cars like the every everything from like the chargers
00:48:07
to the hellcats to the srt the durango everything i've seen from dodge is like motorhead i do you know i will
00:48:13
personally ask i know i have a friend who is a dodge fan that listens to this podcast cj i will reach out to you soon
00:48:20
and i want to hear what you said about this he did mention he was interested in the f-150 not buying it he is a dodge fan
00:48:27
but he does like the idea of when you look at an eevee from pure specs there's some cool stuff there
00:48:33
as long as you're in that category where it fits too because obviously truck stuff is a lot different but uh yeah
00:48:39
i'll get it i'd like to see that because i as well as a non-truck person seem to see dodge truck people as being
00:48:46
far more loyal they're just like extremely loyal yeah like i haven't seen any dodge ev stuff at all like i don't i
00:48:52
maybe i've missed it but is there a dodge charger electric being teased anywhere like i don't think that's happening like yeah well i don't see
00:48:58
dodge talking about evie's stuff very much so this kind of came out of the blue instant shot at ford because they said they're going to bring the thunder
00:49:05
to the forged lightning if i could make another bet this probably isn't that bold of a bet but i would bet that this
00:49:11
ram 1500 has to be a much more aggressive looking like bold design truck well we can kind of see i can kind of see i i agree with you i think it's going to be so kind of how
00:49:23
the um the silverado is like different right the lightning is the same as that 150
00:49:30
minus the bar light a little bit of light differences i think you're right i think they're going to go the like intense route yeah with this okay we'll
00:49:37
see i'm excited to see it yeah um and now on f-150 neli had a really really interesting interview with jim farley the ceo of
00:49:47
ford and i think there's a couple quick points here i just want to talk about but we'll link the whole article in the
00:49:53
show notes and i highly highly suggest reading it because i think it's just important for eevee in general um
00:49:58
talking about the f-150 release one thing i saw that was cool in here is they just start like did their
00:50:04
production launch the other day but apparently this is right around that time at the time of this interview they have 1800
00:50:10
vehicles built already so the production plan's up and running and pumping quote-unquote for like a new production line like it's starting to move yeah you start somewhere so you know
00:50:23
they've built 1800 again i think i saw that number and i was like oh cool did you deliver any of them never no okay so
00:50:30
they've started building them and it always looks like a ramp every time we see a new product line we expect to see the ramp go okay 3 600 then 10 000 then
00:50:37
50 000. so we'll see that just to see that it's like at uh an okay number of cars before deliveries happen
00:50:44
makes me feel a tad optimistic but then right after that he also mentions that like there are he knows there's limited
00:50:51
factors in here and right now he thinks batteries are actually going to be the biggest limiting factor on pumping out
00:50:56
the f-150 numbers we know that the orders for the f-150 are like massive insane yeah um he thinks it'll probably take one and a half to two years i believe to
00:51:08
actually fulfill all of those orders before they get into the like full-blown just production you know you don't need
00:51:14
a pre-order for it so that's a while i need things not chips because because ford is so massive and buying so
00:51:21
many chips for an f-150 already they have good connections with all of that he's not worried about chips being
00:51:28
the limiting factor he's worrying about batteries being the limited factor okay which i do think they're investing some more money into a battery factory in
00:51:34
georgia that they work with but that's going to be the thing that's going to stall them out
00:51:40
he was also really really blunt about the charging network which i thought was really interesting he said he gives their charging network about us or not even just the network
00:51:53
but about how it works with the network the experience yeah like a c on a grade which i think might even be a little
00:51:59
optimistic maybe it's our experience we've talked about this before was really bad but we were also in a super
00:52:04
remote part so we did a thousand mile road trip with the maki i would say from the exact
00:52:10
route that we took our our trip was it was like a d-minus yeah but i think if you average out all the different chargers and all the different experiences and all the different routes people are taking for road trips so i
00:52:20
can see it being a c maybe sure it probably really depends on how you do are there a pluses out there a plus routes you hit the charger on tesla networks yeah maybe maybe bro i
00:52:32
mean i'm sure there are some but yeah so average um one thing he did mention is that he
00:52:38
thinks hyundai and kia i think are doing really good things with the way they bring you to charging networks which is
00:52:44
like making sure they're available making sure charges or stalls are available and that they want to look at
00:52:50
other companies how they're doing that and being able to update how ford because this isn't just for the f150 this is for the mackie which is everything like we mentioned before i see those everywhere yeah like let's not
00:53:00
get it twisted we did our video but like we're not the only ones to say that the charging network is like a problem for these cars after the video though like
00:53:07
ford reached out and they're like here's a bunch of stuff that we're doing to hopefully make sure this experience doesn't happen again we're gonna have
00:53:12
people constantly checking the chargers we're gonna try to make sure as many of them as possible are not just fixed but
00:53:18
updated so that we don't navigate you to one that's not updated so like they know it's not like they're unaware that these
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are challenges that they have to tackle it's just a it's a challenge they don't own like they don't own exactly america
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and and a big part of that challenge is relying on user reports and so one of the things that he talked about that he
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hopes they implement soon is not having to rely fully on the user report but being able to rely on the
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data of a car plugging in how long it gets plugged in for how quickly it moves away so they
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can tell like if a car goes up plugs in and immediately leaves that charger's probably broken they need to it reports
00:53:55
that automatically and yeah can hopefully get a technician there um and that just like
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the charging network in general really needs to be fixed which i think we can all agree on and i think is a huge step
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for not just ford for literally all evs it'll be interesting also to see you know as we have more and more mockees out there like this is tesla's huge advantage with like self-driving for
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example was they have so many cars on the road that a small fraction of them doing some testing for them is a lot of
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data and so now that ford is going to have a ton of evs on the road the mock-e f-150 is going to start being out there
00:54:31
they have a lot of cars with that sort of information and an internet connection and they can beam
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that up and that can be very useful and hopefully one more step from that is electrify america who's servicing all of
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those is hopefully now getting you know every new company that puts another line of evs out hopefully that's
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more information for electrify america to start grabbing from and increasing that um and one more thing he talked
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about which i thought was interesting was that he's working on trying to convince legislators to increase the ev
00:55:00
tax limit for the u.s um mentioning that a bunch of other countries have done that and that's not just for ford that's
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just for everybody so but it would benefit forward obviously yeah yeah but it's you know
00:55:13
i'll take something that benefits ford if it means it also benefits literally all of us and gets the us onto the eve
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yeah for those like unfamiliar the the the point of the the tax incentive was to accelerate the adoption of evs
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exactly so every company was given a set number of cars that they could sell that are electric that would be uh rebated by
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the government so if somebody bought the car they'd get a 7 000 something dollar
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rebate on their taxes and then after they sold that number of cars the rebate would go down to 3 000. and then they
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sold a certain number of cars it would go down to 1 000 and then it would be something else and then it would be zero and so tesla rocketed through that they
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sold a ton of cars um and a lot of these companies who are just starting up they will get the full tax rebates ford sold
00:56:00
a lot of evs i'm sure they're somewhere i'm sure there's a stratosphere and so yes we would like to see uh many
00:56:06
more companies start to make more but also yeah if you if you bump the cap more ev adoption yeah for everyone
00:56:12
because that does 7 500 is a big jump actually that makes the assault era seven thousand dollars left it was the
00:56:18
only argument i saw to actually wanting the sole terror over some is that chances are subaru's going to sell less
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than toyota or hyundai or kia so like it might actually be lower in price because
00:56:30
you have a better chance of getting the ev tax credit on it so that does put it down to 38
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right yeah no 45 it was 42 right 45. no i'm saying i don't know if the math is right i was just shaking my head late it's still not good enough no adam told me i was wrong oh it's still not good it's still not
00:56:47
good enough it's like yeah maybe 38 is good no no it's not not great um no that's that's i think where we're at
00:56:53
we're all very optimistic uh no yeah we'll we'll link the eevee interview from neli and jim down below also you
00:57:00
should definitely check out our ford f-100 video which was the outside one which is a whole separate version of
00:57:05
like what an eevee is but the experience i guess yeah exactly so that we'll link that below as well um but i think the
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place to end would be to hit the trivia answers which were one was a car and one was
00:57:18
about trucks yeah was a truck okay refresh my memory adam where what was the first the first trivia question let's start with the truck one right so the first one the rivian r1t won the
00:57:29
motor trend truck of the year for 2022. which truck won in 2021 truck motor trend track of the year 2021. now i don't know that many award winners
00:57:41
i know that the kia telluride was like the suv of the year or something i could see
00:57:46
that yeah uh but that might also be 2022 so it's probably some i don't know the answer i don't i have a guess you do what's your my guess would be the ford maverick because it's this like
00:58:01
smaller sized truck that's also a hybrid and at a really really good price and a lot i know a lot of people are super
00:58:07
into it so it feels like something disrupting a little bit does the jeep count as a truck there are trucks um the
00:58:14
broncos popular but it's not a truck is it that's a confusing one because the old
00:58:19
bronco had like the detachable back roof which like i bet some people would consider a truck but i don't think the
00:58:26
new broncos do that do you guys want a hint should we uh do we both get that that
00:58:31
makes that means if he's asking for a hand sounds like definitely all right let's take the hint yeah we spoke about it in this episode
00:58:38
wow kind of oh whoa aj the 1500 the ram we mentioned the ram [Music] we spoke about it or mentioned it it's just
00:58:49
mentioned it okay so i've mentioned a bunch because i went down the list uh let me go with
00:58:56
is this a half credit point now that we got it in um we still both don't know it though yeah i don't know i don't think so i
00:59:02
think it could be a full point the only other thing i can think of is if you're right about like suvs counting as a
00:59:09
truck we did talk about the ascent for a minute and the ascent was subaru's like new three row car that everyone loved
00:59:16
because it's really cheap for like a three row yeah but is that a truck of these i don't think so
00:59:22
i'm just gonna go with the f no i'm gonna go with the ram 1500 i'm wrong i'm i just i i liked my maverick guess yeah so i'm just gonna say even though i like that too
00:59:35
the ram 1500 trx oh trx okay yeah the tx is like the performance version okay wow that's a point i'll take it all right what was the second oh with the red
00:59:46
camera right yep the red phone in august 2018 red released a hydrogen one smartphone the company also makes all
00:59:52
the cameras we use here in the studio the question is how many megapixels did the rear camera have in the red hydrogen
00:59:59
one so not only do i not know i'm scared of getting made fun of ford guessing an
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answer that's so the camera system it was it was dual cameras and they were advertising the ability to shoot stereoscopic 3d they were also
01:00:18
advertising the opportunity of like lenses on the back which doesn't change the megapixel but you have to assume
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that the megapixels to be able to fit yeah never assume it has to be a good one because you're going to get all
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these crazy add-ons so you can film a whole movie it we already know it was a letdown like we
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don't have to rub it wow so uh the number that popped in my head is 12 because every everything's 12 but i i want to double double think here because
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it was such a weird phone and they had two and there was like the the 3d screen and they wanted to show 3d we took 3d videos and showed it and played it back for joe rogan remember
01:00:58
was was this not a um just sensor they pulled out it was it was just a yeah sensor yeah i remember it it was just a regular sony sensor and red makes
01:01:09
cameras so like they could have made a sensor but they didn't i and everyone thought that was hilarious right so let
01:01:14
me just go with a standard sony sensor and it's a 12 megapixel sensor andrew i'm just gonna agree with that because i i remember it being a well i wanna say there's so many different from what you say my second guess is gonna be
01:01:28
like 24 which is dumb which one is definitely not 24. i don't know i just remember making fun of it because it was just a regular sensor and it's like bro you're red come on yeah it's just only 12 megapixel
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sensor so i don't know who made it i'm assuming it was sony yeah but it was a dual 12.3
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megapixels so yeah i'll give you the point for that yeah yeah they're all 12.2 or 12.3 yeah yeah that's a it was a
01:01:54
letdown rough every time i think about that phone i just get sad why'd we have so much high hopes for
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that all right well that'll do it for this episode of the waveform podcast the wave forum uh section was quite long i
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promise we'll have all kinds of other stuff coming up but also i'm really excited about one of the next videos we're working on on the channel um
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spoiler alert it's not an eevee it's very very different we're replacing tim yeah like that that's all you need to know uh but thanks for listening this week tune back in next week and we appreciate
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