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ooh Apple polishing cloth is officially compatible with the iPhone 16 they did they just they did did it another successful launch folks
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engineering R doesn't just happen Okay do you think there's a singular job that's just update the Apple polishing
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Club yeah forever I'm a project manager on the polishing clo what is up people of the internet welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts I'm
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Marquez I'm Andrew and I'm David this week we have some real announcements that happened before we recorded which
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is very exciting matter of fact we just jumped in here directly after watching uh what was it like a 12-minute video
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that Apple put out with the iPhone 16e so that came out uh we also have a new rivan announcement hint someone was
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right last week uh and we also have a couple other small things like Humane was sold red is charging from for some
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stuff and a first look at the nothing 3A but first Andrew has written that Google
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Tasks now has a web app what what might be the shortest story in the history of waveform ever you can now go to a dedicated web page with your Google Tasks are we sure this is new yeah cuz I
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feel like I've been doing this for weeks so what you can do is you can like previously it would be on the sidebar of
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your Gmail in the exact it would look exactly like that but now it can just be in its own dedicated web page I could
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been using this web page for the last like month and a half pre-alpha no that's just means someone at Google
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remember that it exists and that's very encouraging like Google Tasks is it's on
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the radar so there's two things I was excited for it was I can float my own window on the side of my um desktop
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which has just my tasks in like vertical which is nice and the second thing which is like wait they remember this is one
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step to maybe new features if anything not a step backwards to Oblivion yeah maybe they'll add some stuff yeah that's
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good that's it I tried to check the Wayback machine but it's not it's down so so no way to know whether or not
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maybe I had Early Access to this idea never know uh this week also HP spent $116 million which actually was the most shocking part to me I didn't know HP was out here spending money like that uh and
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they used it to BU Humane Humane finally got their wish and was acquired maybe not the way they originally drew it up but it happened they shut down the pin is going offline the servers will go
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down they're shutting down the team that developed it it's not going to be a thing anymore rip Humane pin but yeah HP
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is acquiring uh the talent and the engineers and the team the technology behind yeah the yeah there's like 300 patents from the company and like Cosmos
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Co Cosmos mhm great name it's actually a pretty solid name no it's km OS km km OS
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yeah it's like okay this the pin's going to stop working so everyone who said it was bad is Justified in saying it was
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bad because it doesn't exist anymore but it's also like uh what is HPC in that I
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don't well I don't know apparently Emron and Bethany are going to work at HP to upgrade their AI systems in their conference room software this comes back to HP what what does HP do kind of my
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the first thing I ever reviewed was an HP product so I'm not like a HP hater I kind of like h no we we were just
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looking back on uh HP market cap and right after you made that video they skyrocketed it's yeah I believe that
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2009 was probably PE of hp's powers I bought an HP Pavilion dv7t it was very competitive it's the one I picked over
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all my other options and that was not a cheap laptop they had a thing back in the day yeah but
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today they're launching a zoom competitor HP no I have no idea no what they did I tell you guys when I thought that I may have uncovered a moneya laundering scheme at Intel Intel
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yeah retell the story was a while ago okay allegedly yeah okay this is probably not what is happening I want to start however however okay when I worked
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at Intel I wrote software that would check uh basically there was these giant sleds of computers right because they Ed the xeons which have two zons per sled sled there's tons of sleds in a rack
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Intel buys those racks from HP compact Lenovo Dell right all these companies where I'm like they technically sell laptops but there's no way that's how they make most of their money right MH
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so Intel would buy these giant racks for like a ton of money with like 15-year warranties City because they're running these computers at such like high wattage and so much power that like
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Parts break a lot right so the money the money laundering scheme that I thought I
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uncovered this is probably not happening is that the software when I wrote the software it would basically every morning check every single part in every single sled so it check the ram
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the uh the CPU like everything on the computer the things that would break the most often were the Intel xeons and the Intel developed RAM chips and the reason
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I thought it was money laundering scheme was because I it seemed like intel was putting the their like beist zons in these computers that HP was then selling
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to Intel as a rack and then HP under warranty when they would break because my software basically would say like every single day there were Zeon breaking there were there was RAM sticks
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breaking and it was always Intel developed parts so it seemed like HP then had to go back to Intel and buy new
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parts from Intel to put in the thing that they got that they sold to Intel and it just sort of felt like they were cycling money like this I feel like this feels like the um McDonald's ice
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cream machine where it's like it's broken and they also kind of Run Place compact what else does compact do this is the thing his well now well I mean at
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the time still it was like 2016 comp was not commercials and sold laptops wasn't
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around in 2016 compact got bought by HP in 20 hp merged yeah HP compact became the thing the easy answer here is they all do a lot of Enterprise stuff that we just don't quite know they yeah okay so
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what did they do they were selling giant racks of sleds to companies like Intel and that is probably how they make most of their money that's the answer to your question you think aren't buying the
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Pavilion more like Pavilion okay got him got him um so that's probably how they make most of their money yeah so yeah
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they they figured they've got 116 million to spend on acquiring Humane Humane gets kind of their wish not
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exactly the way they drew it up but at least it's something uh yeah I just canceled my Humane subscription today wait I was paying every month in hopes of seeing it
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improve it didn't it did a little but not enough to you know make another video or anything uh I canceled it today
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did you really just did you actually just forget no yes yes but I was given it a chance yeah
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that's fair we still have it it's I know exactly where it is um yeah so you know
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they raised about 230 million they sold it for 116 million a few months ago they
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were reportedly trying to sell it between like 700 to 1 billion I believe so this is quite a bit lower this is actually approximately 17th of Juan sto's MLB contract that um they just got
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sold for yeah um and I can't help but think I think we all know human is that company that um hyped themselves without
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a public facing product for a very long time and it feels kind of like they did that for longer than they had an actual
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public facing product that's probably true yeah yeah because it came out a year ago less than a year ago and
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they're hyping it for a while they're they're in stealth mode they've been around since 2018 and I know like every
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startup company has a product they're working on before they but like they were out there hyping up Humane publicly
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without their public product for a long time for for far longer than we actually had the pin so if you are a Humane a
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fellow Humane pin owner like myself expect it to be a brick by the end of the month it will still be able to tell
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you if it's overheating or what your battery I was going to say it's not just a brick it could also catch on fire it
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could it could tell you if it's about to and it can tell you how much battery life is left cuz that was the things
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that it was doing offline and it Contin yeah it Contin you know what's also kind of crazy so they will give people
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refunds only if you bought it within the last 90 days which is the normal refund period but they're not giving anybody
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else refunds and this product only existed for like less than a year hey man that's the risk it's a $700 pen
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that's the early adopter risk that's a lot of money for something that last the Humane redit if only there was like
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people who told you not to buy we did our job and we got yelled at for it they all should have bought a rabbit what you saying I was just going
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to say the the subreddit is not happy about this obviously I it's it's one thing when they like launched the email
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saying we're winding down and then like at the end it's like and everything will be offline February 28th which is like a
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week and a half from right now so yeah and then that also means somebody asked them and somebody responded no there are some offline things it can do like tell
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you your battery level can it tell me I say it's tell me the time how how it's got a does the projector still work yeah yeah it's just show you your battery level so maybe it's just like a Lael
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yeah clock clock yeah kind of dope I got it for free but I don't know if I'd charge that remember when the Spotify
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car thing went out and I came on this podcast and we spoke about them open sourcing it and how great of a community
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that has turned into yeah I hope they open source probably not they shutting it I
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so sick that's what the Reddit the subreddit is asking to open source it so people can Tinker with it I just I think
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there's way more complicated Parts in this I mean we did get to see the inside of it and that thing is complicated I don't think they can't open source it
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because all the patents got sold to HP yeah that would probably be my thought on why they they're not going to let a lot happen to well in six years just like Pebble we'll go back and ask
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HP to open source all this hold on to it yeah I guess cuz you never know hold on
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to your brick that might catch on fire I have a hot take what we're going to turn we're going to think back on this the
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way that people think about Google Glass no no we're not that's why I said it was hot that's why I said it was
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hot that's really hot eventually this is the future right do you mean form factor wise no I mean just an AI assistant
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thing that you wear they're not the only if you want to go super Broad and say a standalone AI device was ahead of its
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time sure that is where I'm going but that's about as generous as you can be I think I think we'll all look back at the
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Humane pin as being like oh that wasn't ready why did they ship that that was bad just like we looked at it while it
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was out and Google Glass had some real P some some goog was fire as heck it could
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come out today and be looked at kind of the same as I would still like Google Glass currently cuz you're a glass hole
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I was speaking of glass uh do you know what sand is made of well glass is made of sand is made of sand that's I got it backwards yeah fire segue though I knew
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where you were going almost nail I knew where you were going sand is actually the remnants of ancient window factories
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that they used to only put on the beach so for dinosaurs yeah for dinosaurs when you made a window you needed to test it
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so like okay we should look at the beach because it's really pretty yeah anyway yeah well speaking of sand since we're
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on the topic um rivan made an announcement this week you remember last week on the podcast we saw a bunch of
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pictures of sand dunes from rivan and they were teasing something to be announced on the 19th well we're
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recording this on the 19th and we know what it was let's just revisit what we thought might be coming they're probably going to announce a sand colored rivan a khaki rivan would be pretty sweet I'd be
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into that I want it to be r2d I want it to be the Maverick rivan we should place
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bets but there's just no way color I'm going with either special event or sand mode so you're saying sand mode David you're saying sand color yeah Andrew
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what are you saying uh rivan uh what is it called rivian Adventure Network yeah so uh good David was right it is a he's close you're close you're
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the closest it's a new trim package for the rivian r1t and r1s and it's a limited edition trim but it's called the California Dune Edition it is in fact sand colored so you get you'll get the
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paint very much you'll get the point for that um there's a couple other things as well from what I can see from these
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pictures there are new 20-in allterrain Wheels it'll come with a spare tire a reinforced underbody Shield uh a couple
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other sand colored things available accessories one of them is Max tracks recovery boards which are those like
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boards where you're stuck in deep snow or sand you put some of these you can already get it'll just come with these accessories like the dark I've thought
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about getting the dark crossbars for forever cuz mine came with light crossbars and I was like oh I want the black ones but I haven't bought them
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come with them I just saw it's just a new range of accessories so I wasn't 100% sure if that came with it or just
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like that's a good question but I I would believe it comes with these because they've existed already okay uh
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the revised power Tano cover they've had to re sort of engineer that over time and I also have had mine replaced so all
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these things will be included I believe and then um there's no release date yet but it seems like we'll get to see one
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at South by Southwest in March is anybody going to go to that I don't know South by Southwest I heard that waveform might be doing a live episode there though oh I saw that too oh I would go
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to that oh do you want to go we we just all go together you want go is this the invite right now yeah I thought i' get
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it on party full but no no we s we used Apple invite that's why okay bet so how about how about we all go to South by Southwest we'll do a live waveform show while we're there and
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we'll go check out the sand colored rivan I'm just going to throw let's try Saturday 11:00 a.m. March 8 10: a.m.
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does that work for you all I thought it was 10 a.m. I'm down but only if it's at the VOX media showcase oh I I could do
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that game I think we can find way to get there all right sweet should we invite anyone else or no how about the audience
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yeah no they should come true they should come okay yeah so so y'all so if you're watching this you're invited to
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uh yeah see you there bingo we're so good at transition the most natural transition you've ever heard use your AI assistant to distill what we just said guys please come yeah
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we are GNA it's our first live waveform event yeah it's going to be on the Vox stage it's going to be I think the first
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we're the first program on the Vox stage it's Saturday March March 8th at 11:00 a.m. we will be there are we will be
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recording it and releasing it as a bonus podt episode it won't be broadcast live but will be live there and we're still
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trying to figure some ways out to involve the audience as much as possible cuz we've never had that chance maybe
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comment section yes please let us know if you have cool ideas for what we should do at South by Southwest as we
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record live with an audience next to us who couldn't interact with the podcast I
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have a question for you guys idea you know in school when there was like a group project and the teacher would be like Okay who wants to go first M did
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you guys always volunteer to go first or were you hoping to go last I always went first I always went first too I was
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always hoping to go last you're hoping to go last interesting Ellis is the tiebreaker Ellis wait the question is
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everyone in class has a little poster board we're all going to do a presentation who wants to go first you
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oh how good is my presentation that's a great question very first really can I ask why actually
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first forgotten about by the time the worst ones come along okay that's also you get to set the tone yeah exactly if
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it's bad M there's not a good one before you to make you look bad exactly but it's possible that you do the bad first one and then the second one is way better but everyone will forget exactly
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okay don't remember the new one they'll forget the bad one my theory was always it's a presentation so will probably
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take longer than that period so if I pray for last I might be able to fix all the things I didn't actually do and then
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go the next day that did happen before to me I've done that yeah yeah good call yeah also just getting with is nice we are going first uh at South by so okay
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so yeah we'll have to bring the heat set the tone setting the tone tone and you guys should bring the bring the heat too
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it'll be fun and if you're sitting in the first three rows you will get we a poncho oh God yeah it's like SeaWorld we're sitting the bar as high as we can as high as we can expect
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fireworks you know Shamu will be there can I just say this rivan looks sick wait yeah I did want to go back to it it
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looks sick really wait it's a good we didn't say how good the color was this is like my
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favorite Trend in vehicle colors they've been doing lately sand in general like khaki is kind of the I don't want to call it dull cuz it's very clearly still like shiny M up rivan's alley like with
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the other colors they've done cross the Subaru cross Che was doing it for a little bit and with the like black uh
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wheel wells the accents on it so I think this looks really good I hope they do this color on the R2
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um yeah so I guess we this is limited I don't know how limited yet yeah but I think that would be cool as well and then r3x everyone loves the R3 but it's so far away we're just like waiting I
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want it so bad God that's what I'm waiting for I I think we universally all really like the R3 we're just waiting the R3 is one of those cars that like you aspire to drive and I feel like the
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R1 and the R2 are the cars that you actually end up driving yeah well so allegedly R3 is going to be cheaper
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though yeah so it should have reasonable accessibility I remember when they announced it it was like the R1 and r1s
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were out and they announced the R2 and everyone goes oh yes this is nice this is nice it's smaller this is more
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attainable and then they go by the way one more thing R3 and everyone went forget the R2 sick I want that so yeah
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it'll be it'll be someday and it looks more like a Subaru what did you did you say this is my Roadster is that what you
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said earlier yeah this is the r3x is my roadx is our Roadster but that means it'll never come out yeah yeah it's not
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out yet it's years away years away well speaking of things that are uh coming out we should talk about the iPhone SC but before we get to that we should take a quick break which means we got time
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for a trivia question dude also the Roadster is light years away now because it got shut into space well that's the first gen Roadster but then the new Roadster got announced and that was what
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year do you think that was 8 years ago 2017 yeah8 years ago it was like right when I started I still remember that barely graduated from college came out got announced right
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2017 I think it was 2017 doesn't Tesla owe you like three of those things by now I people that's a common
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misconception they only owe me one and a half of them allegedly allegedly that text message when you decided not to go to the semi event and then I was at home and I just like got
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this message of Marquez being like turn the event on and I was like why and then there's Road surges on the stage but are
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you it it all worked out cuz you went to the iroot event the one that is everything is for sure coming out yeah
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yeah anyway trivia guys I the Cyber taxi is sand colored I just realized well it's yellow it's Mountain Dew color it's gold it's gold colored all Mountain Dew
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Mountain Dew it's not green what Mountain Dew's Green Mountain Dew oh trivia dude all right it took
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every fiber of my being to not ask you guys a dune question today because I knew no one would get it right um so instead we're doing truck question oh no
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big big truck day uh so talked about the rivan one of the things that I saw mention in this rivan press relase is they're redoing the way the electric Tano cover Works um so I figured I'd
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make you guys search the inside of your brains for the origin of the word Tano it's an English word technically but we're borrowing it from French and we're borrowing it for the French word for
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what and I have four choices the first one is Barrel the second one is tunnel C is mattress and I don't know why I switched from numbers to letters
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there but we're just rolling with it Barrel tunnel mattress or ton like the unit of measurement tunel I hate that one feels very obvious which one yeah to me they
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all feel kind of obvious don't say it yeah cuz it's a truck bed oh well we'll think about it we don't I don't think any of us know the answer
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but we're going to we're going to make a guess later answers will be at the end like usual we'll be right
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unique and EXC I can't even do this uh there's a new iPhone it's the 16e so it's actually not the SE anymore yeah big change uh 16e I think that makes sense didn't SE stand for special
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edition at one point yeah but then it was just the budget iPhones and now it's just the 16e cool uh this completes the
00:25:05
iPhone 16 family as Tim Cook put it it is um about what we expected I mean we we saw some of the leaks and now we have the official specs and everything that's new here is a quick overview before I
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get uh reactions from everyone it is in fact the newest chip the a18 it does have enough RAM to run Apple
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intelligence great that's Baseline stuff it has a 6.1 1-in screen it's an OLED it
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has a notch with face ID so the home button is gone it's just face ID no touch ID it does have black or white matte colors it is uh it does have an
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action button no camera control 48 megapixel single camera on the back and one less GPU core than the standard iPhone 16 so it is the same a18 same neural engine but one less GPU core for
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the budget phone no mag SA okay so it does have wireless charging up to 72 Watts but no mag safe magnets
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and the phone has uh Apple's first in-house design cellular modem that they're calling the
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C1 which apparently has been in development for a really long time it's supposed to be super efficient I would
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love to test this it's they're touting a 26-hour video playback battery life which is on par with the latest
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generations of iPhones and it's $599 for 00 28 gigs starts at 5.99 yike so initial thoughts on this uh I think a lot of people including myself
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immediately reacted to the price whoa $599 that's a big jump from the last two I don't know if you remember the last two iPhones were the last two SC iPhones were 3.99 and 429 yeah so this goes
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beyond $4.99 all the way up to$ 5.99 starting and it does obviously improve a lot of things from the last cheap SE it's not lightning anymore it's USBC it's uh you know face ID it's an OLED
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there's all these things that are updated but it is still I mean you could frame it as this is still 599 for a 60 HZ uh like base iPhone that has a single
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camera and doesn't do anything special like why is it 599 tariffs of course are going to come into play here this is the
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first I guess new iPhone where we have to consider that um true yeah I'm I'm curious what the biggest surprises were to me honestly mag safe missing seems like the biggest Miss I think a lot of
00:27:30
people associate the iPhone with having mag safe and I guess that's pretty classic apple to go yeah not the cheap
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one everyone else gets it not the cheap one that is wild but yeah like the mag safe thing uh it still has wireless
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charging you just can't line up magnets but it's also 7.5 Watts instead of 15 because no mag sa every iPhone since the
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iPhone 12 has had mag safe except the SE yeah yeah so the the SE still doesn't have it Ellis's ma safe Ma 12 mini even yeah Ma safe uh but not on the SE so
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that is I think probably the biggest Miss that's wild I think the biggest X Factor question mark is clearly the C1
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chip I we don't know if that's going to be some incredible Improvement they' been using Qualcomm modems in the past
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for context is this going to be some huge battery life Improvement that we see continue on future iPhones are they
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going to make a bigger deal about this in future iPhone Keynotes is there some signal Improvement that I should expect
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like what I we have to test it I don't know what to expect from the C1 the C1 is like a lot of the 5G modem but it
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does not include millimeter wave so not that really anyone was using millimeter wave that frequently yeah but you can't
00:28:40
use millimeter which the question then becomes do they use millimeter wave for like Precision finding with the air tags
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uh or is that that might be actually don't think that's through the cellular modem though that's not through the
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cellular modem so it might not matter okay but they might start us the C1 to do that where they weren't before that's
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the thing is I don't know I have to test and figure out like what things work better what things are more efficient
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TBD so that's the X Factor the things that we know are going to be good are it's the cheap iPhone with the newest
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chip the a18 it's going to be probably the most powerful on paper $599 phone it's probably going to be a solid camera for a $599 phone mhm usually is the
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cheap the cheap in there is relative and so much more relative now like it's just so hard calling this the cheap iPhone at
00:29:30
$600 especially when the iPhone 16's at $799 $200 more that's like that's a crazy jump that just AIG jump from where we came
00:29:41
from does it make any of you guys scared for Pixel 9A like it'll go way up in price like that'll take a jump like this I don't think so 429 was super
00:29:52
reasonable right 429 was way more obviously the budget iPhone when was half the price of the the B iPhone and
00:29:58
that was cheaper than oh it came out a few years ago it was years ago though yeah so it is $25 a month financing for
00:30:05
2 years that's how most people in the US are going to see which is how most people in the US see this the iPhone 16
00:30:11
base is $33 a month for two years MH so it's the diff it's literally the difference of $8 um and for that you are now missing
00:30:22
the dynamic Island mag safe Ultra wide Ultra wide camera mhm and I think that's it a GPU core telephoto a GPU core no telepo on the B there's no T yeah I $8 a
00:30:39
month so $8 a month I guess you could get a cheap streaming service for that price yeah maybe Phoebe Phoebe or or dedu or something I don't know but this
00:30:51
is it's an interesting phone I kind of I'm already starting to form my opinions because at a software level we kind of
00:30:56
already know what the iPhone is like we're not expecting some new crazy features to come with this we know what Apple intelligence is already we know
00:31:03
what iOS 18 is already we know what that looks like on an a18 we know what that looks like on a 6.1 in OLED it's just strip out some of these features is this phone still for you I think there's
00:31:16
obviously a group especially people who watch waveform and who are really into Tech there's a group of people who are going are you you're telling me $600 for
00:31:23
a phone with a 60 HZ display in 2025 is that a joke are you making fun of us of course
00:31:30
that's a terrible deal and people like that this phone's not for you but there's a whole separate group of people
00:31:35
who are like what's the cheapest smallest iPhone I can get that's brand new that's going to have five six seven years of software support give me that
00:31:41
one this is the phone for you even if it's not $400 it's $600 this time but this is still the correct answer to that question so whether or not this is the phone for you kind of depends on who you
00:31:53
are and yeah we just now know what the phone is I'm curious because because the iPhone se's traditionally have not sold that well so I'm wondering if making a
00:32:03
more expensive phone is making them more likely to sell well I don't I mean it probably shouldn't but I have a question that kind of can picky back on that yeah
00:32:14
do you think part of the reason it doesn't sell well is because of the inconsistency of when it releases cuz we
00:32:20
don't get them every year I think it's because of carrier plans okay I think it's because people don't care about the
00:32:26
difference between a few bucks a month they just get the better one yeah the pro Max for the past year or two has
00:32:32
been the bestselling version at least in the US that's says a lot yeah so the the
00:32:37
reason I asked that is because first of all I think iPhone 16e is the better naming scheme even if we've gotten used
00:32:44
to se I agree with and that's what we did my question about that is if we've now introduced this into the same number
00:32:50
of the current lineup of phones is this an every year release now that's a great
00:32:55
question if that was true and they were also releasing an air for the 17 they would have a lot of models I even in the
00:33:02
grand scheme of things it's a lot for the iPhone but it's still not that much like look at Samsung like if iPhones
00:33:08
next year are 17 17 plus 17 Pro 17 Pro Mac 17 a and 177e yeah that sounds like a lot but then you look over at Samsung and they're like we have a phone at every price from $90 to
00:33:22
$1,700 at increments of 10 and they all have different names they a series their
00:33:27
Z their Galaxy S Series so I could see it the one market that they're not really hitting right now where they could really dominate if they wanted to is the like pay as you go market because
00:33:38
that's where Samsung like really really tracks the reason that the a the a series Samsung phones are so insanely
00:33:44
popular is because they're sold at Boost Mobile as like pay as you go phones yeah they are much cheaper though way cheaper
00:33:51
yeah really cheap really cheap like they they'll go plastic they'll go like $229
00:33:56
I don't think Apple wants to really compete in that market because you have to make pretty low quality stuff I have
00:34:02
a question for you guys this's something Harper asked me and I was stumped should you get this phone or an iPhone
00:34:10
15 15 I'll tell you what Apple would say and then I'll tell you what I would say regular 15 like a base 15 yeah base 15
00:34:17
not pro regular 15 Apple would say you don't get apple intelligence with a Bas 15 that's what apple is you don't get
00:34:23
apple intelligence with this one either no you do you do I thought it's still rolling out
00:34:29
two different things two different things yeah 15 is never getting Apple intelligence 16e has enough RAM it it
00:34:35
has Apple intelligence has an action button uh what I would say is I get this how much do you care about the two things that are like meaningfully different to the experience the ultrawide camera and one extra year of
00:34:49
software updates like those are the the things that are maybe meaningfully different mag safe how much do you care
00:34:55
about those things oh I love mag oh I know and I think if you do care about those things you you should get the 15
00:35:01
cuz you can get it for as cheap probably less right now if you bought it straight from Apple it's $6.99 versus $5.99 yeah
00:35:08
it's a $100 more for a 15 for a brand new 15 today yeah cuz I just continued the discontinued the 14 so the cheapest
00:35:14
okay so a 15 is $6.99 but it has and that gets you an ultra wide the dynamic Island Ultra wide
00:35:21
Max one less year of software and no apple intelligence which could be a plus um but and it has the action button and wait does it no doesn't wait Did they
00:35:34
really just announce the action button the 16 oh no no sorry that 15 did have it had oh only the pro had it oh is that
00:35:43
true let me look it up oh the 15 Pro had the action button have yeah so so if you want an
00:35:50
action button you got to get the 16e I do like the action button are you a yeah I guess you won't know unless you start using a phone if you actually care about the action button $100 yeah apple needs like one of those
00:36:03
like what Marvel character are you quizzes for the very specifics of which thing you need and that's like like find
00:36:10
the perfect person for the iPhone 16e that wouldn't rather have an iPhone 15 wouldn't rather just go to the iPhone 16 regular yeah or bu a used iPhone 15 for
00:36:23
way less money if you need yeah if you're not paying on the the monthly dollar amount
00:36:29
you know who this is for when I worked at Best Buy Mobile there were people that would come in with like a really old six-year-old phone and just be like
00:36:36
give me the cheapest newest one 100% yeah and that's who it's for the cheapest newest one I could also see
00:36:41
this being for the company that wants to buy everyone work phones and at $200 cheaper for every single phone and you're buying the is for Enterprise there we go oh no isn't it
00:36:53
always for Enterprise or education wow oh I think it's for expensive it's for eggs that's why it's overpriced I thought it was for Ellis yeah Ellis we will we will get our
00:37:04
hands on this phone we will test it we will review it stay tuned of course for those thoughts um but yeah iPhone 16e
00:37:11
that is out another phone that also has a small letter at the end of its name is not out yet God I'm crushing the Segway
00:37:18
you really are that's pretty good there was a comment last week that said y'all are really getting lazy on the Segways
00:37:23
and you just welcome back brought it back to thisis wel back I like the last one that was good nothing phone 3A it's
00:37:30
not really unveiled we're getting the classic like dribble of information I think last week nothing said it'll have
00:37:35
a Qualcomm chip and that was it cool um this week on their YouTube channel they did a very very objective uh smartphone camera
00:37:47
comparison so they didn't show the design of the phone but they showed that they were taking photos alongside a 16
00:37:52
an iPhone 16 Pro Max and a couple random different scenarios compared them back to back and then
00:37:59
concluded that they were very impressed with their own product Marquez was it was it deceptive at all
00:38:04
look if you're nothing you are incentivized to make your device look as good as possible you don't make that
00:38:10
video if you don't think it'll work well so if there are instances where you can give the nothing phone and Edge you'll do it uh I think one instance was the
00:38:18
video stabilization section where they compared the ultra wide of the iPhone to the regular camera on the six on the
00:38:24
nothing phone 3A the quality is so much worse on the ultra wide camera it's a fact it's pretty it's pretty bad so look
00:38:31
I look forward to the phone 3A coming out I have no doubt that they're trying to Hype that it'll be a better camera
00:38:37
because the spec by itself convinces no one it's an interesting YouTube video it's also an interesting case study in a
00:38:44
company reviewing its own products I don't know how people feel about that me personally I want to believe that they
00:38:49
can do an objective job but like they're not doesn't work like I can't watch that video and then have them at the end go
00:38:55
I'm very impressed by our product well yeah obviously um but if you're super curious about this phone coming up there's a glimpse at some stuff that it'll be capable of yeah uh and that's
00:39:06
the nothing phone 3A can I just say I love this roll out that they're doing because the teas of I don't think they're trying to be objective I think this is them being like instead of
00:39:17
sending it to influencers let's just do our own videos we'll influence ourselves I think that that's essentially what the
00:39:26
like mood board for their YouTube channel yeah I think they went wow people really seem to like the
00:39:32
trustworthy voices in this sort of casual style where we talk about phones so how about we just do that for our own
00:39:39
phones and we have unlimited exclusive access to everything we make and you don't even have to pretend to be ethical
00:39:46
cuz you are the company I think that is like important is we know they're not going to be objective because it
00:39:52
physically says it's from nothing so we know they're the ones doing it and I give them credit they're they're good at
00:39:58
knowing Their audience and being kind of it's more personal seeing them doing stuff like this and I went into it like
00:40:04
cool they're doing a great job and then when I saw the comments were all saying like that's definitely the ultra wide
00:40:10
camera they did the video on on and they didn't it's not only that they didn't mention that it's that right before it
00:40:16
they said we're recording both of these in like 4K 30 just so you know the iPhone can go
00:40:23
higher frame rate but we're trying to make it fair so like they gave the iPhone credit while also
00:40:29
like by that giv credit makes it feel more trustworthy to then not mention the biggest issue is yeah I want I feel like
00:40:37
I want to give them credit because they are doing something unique you don't see this type of stuff from Samsung yeah
00:40:43
imagine if Samsung did this yeah it would feel crazy so it is very fun and start upy and competitive and interesting and we pay attention to it but uh I don't think we should be going
00:40:55
there for purely objective information so we we joke around about nothing and Carl
00:41:00
pay a lot you know but I do think if Samsung attempted to do this it would be the most cring thing be so and Samsung we love you but don't do this like like
00:41:13
it would be it would be oh my God it would make it would make all the hairs on your
00:41:19
arms stand up and just be like oh yeah yeah yeah um it kind of gives the old moment YouTube channel Vibes if you remember remember that Mo moment is this like camera camera accessories company
00:41:32
that used to review their own lenses and stuff although they didn't they didn't really say they were reviews they would
00:41:37
be like showc was capable of yeah which felt more ethical than this yeah I think
00:41:43
it's when you bring in a competitor's product and compare it directly to it you're like now I don't know if I can
00:41:48
listen to anything definitely don't know I don't think I can listen to anything you're saying yeah yeah they they're
00:41:54
very good at doing the like compliment sandwich of of of like let's say one nice thing about our competitor which
00:41:59
therefore makes it feel closer and then for the next 20 minutes talk about everything one of their most popular videos was Carl Carl pay reviewing the new iPhone which they did exactly that
00:42:11
he's like actually their engineering is very good on this like I'm very impressed and then 20 minutes of good
00:42:17
things about the nothing phone so I remember when Zuck reviewed the Vision Pro and he just was like I used the
00:42:22
Vision Pro and then I used our meta Quest Pro and I was just shocked at how much better our product is wait do you
00:42:29
remember the best part of that video it was filmed on a meta Quest 3 and he turns around and there's the guy just
00:42:36
standing like this forgot about that forgot about that too yeah and it makes it hard because like sometimes what
00:42:42
they're saying can actually be true it's just we we have to hear it from an unbiased third party to actually take it
00:42:48
seriously yeah like our podcast is super well produced and it's the greatest podcast in the world so especially when compared to other Tech podcasts
00:42:55
sometimes I watch those and I'm just so amazed that how much better ours looks and sounds and is just produced yeah
00:43:02
it's a fact but don't take it for me yeah well do take it don't listen to any other podcast yeah do take it from me
00:43:08
yeah no I mean that's why it look so bad definitely get your news from a variety of sources this is pretty classic uh
00:43:15
media literacy 101 but yeah you know we got a little a little peek at the 3A yeah that was cool okay well it'll come
00:43:21
out eventually eventually um I don't think so Carl P had said that the nothing phone 3 was was going to be
00:43:27
their first AI phone so usually they like the nothing phone 2A came out after the nothing phone 2 so now they're releasing the 3A before the three and the a is the cheaper the regular is the
00:43:41
flagship so the three I believe is slated for like I don't know I think they said later this year some summer or
00:43:46
something and that's their first AI phone which will be interesting and weird before we go to before we leave
00:43:53
nothing I did want to I think we've got an interesting opportunity for a little future wager prediction uhoh which is
00:44:00
when the inevitable nothing AI assistant comes out what are they going to name it and I will not accept little Carl as an answer oh God I wanted to be little
00:44:15
Carl Carl I so you know how Samsung did that weird thing where they combined Bixby and Gemini and it was just kind of like Gemini with plugins in the s25
00:44:26
lineup mhm yeah it could be along those lines and what was interesting was I was
00:44:33
talking to them about it and they said there's no name for it for the assistant for the assistant but you can still say
00:44:39
I mean it is called nothing Google or Gemini but for nothing this was for Samsung for nothing though uh you you
00:44:47
still just say Google or Gemini to pull it up so I think that will still be true
00:44:52
I don't think they're going to name it at all do you say hey Gemini now you still say hey a g yeah Google but does
00:44:58
Gemini can can you say hey Gemini I don't I've never actually tried I don't think I've tried that let's try right
00:45:04
now have Gemini attached to my action button so that's how I P I thought you had to launch Gemini all right mute me real quick
00:45:10
hey okay that worked hey Gemini hey Gemini okay Gemini no it doesn't work brilliant branding Google yeah rename everything and then not allow you to call it okay
00:45:23
nice I think they're going to name it after the bird do you remember the bird from all the nothing phone one
00:45:30
advertisements the parrot oh the parrot I think it's going to be called like parrot or bird guy or something like
00:45:36
that something bird related yeah do you think they're going to you're have to squawk squawk
00:45:42
yeah anyway trivia wait did everyone say their predictions I wasn't creative all
00:45:49
right I'll go with little Carl no name little Carl God I really hope it's little Carl trivia dude so we just finished talking about nothing but they also sell like usual welcome to way for
00:46:03
they also sell other things you know like headphones and under their sub brand cmf they also sell like the watch you know uh but did you know that they
00:46:13
also sell a 5.1% beer named what what they sell beer they sell beer there is it rebranded there's nothing beer 5.1%
00:46:24
alcohol how much is that a lot sir sir what have you been drinking nothing nothing hey loophole but what is the name of that beer huh H this is uh
00:46:37
another trivia question that little Carl car I wasn't built for this question some one of you may get it but not me we we we'll think about it we'll think
00:46:48
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00:49:25
cover um one one I hold very near and dear to my heart not really but Reddit I didn't realize you car that much about Kindle you could talk about that uh Reddit will be launching paid
00:49:39
subreddits okay I'm going to okay there was a comment last week that said Andrew really bums me out so I'm going to be
00:49:45
optimistic about this wait no this is not the time you don't have to be optimistic about this this is you know
00:49:51
that asteroid that might hit Earth a few years I don't want to bump anything but like the percentage of it hitting Earth
00:49:58
went up it did go up I saw an article that did go up all right okay so Steve Huffman this the CEO of Reddit and one of the founders of Reddit did a video AMA because he's too much of a coward to
00:50:10
do a regular AMA um a video is where you just answer questions in video form I don't know where he grabbed the questions I'm sure there might have been one but it it means it you can't obviously be skipping the the number one
00:50:22
upvoted one like do you know when you've done your amas it's kind of hard to skip the one that's like yeah at the top with
00:50:27
thousands of the questions were definitely written from real people and people on the Reddit team yeah totally
00:50:33
um he did mention that there's plans he said this before plans for some sort of pay wall content on Reddit he said
00:50:38
there's one coming we're working on it as we speak so I tried to take the optimistic approach here and thought of
00:50:44
a way that might be beneficial for a pay wall subreddit what' you come up with and I'll pitch it to you guys patreon I I think a a creator person focused
00:50:58
commun like paywall Community could be the perfect in between of like patreon which is fairly slow and Discord premium
00:51:06
which is fairly quick in terms of chatting yeah I think that could be beneficial it could be pretty cool as
00:51:11
long as that payments is partially going to the creator of it right then I don't know though how who creates the
00:51:18
subreddit who would get payment because how would someone else not just create the MKBHD subreddit right now our
00:51:23
subreddit we don't even control we have no control over um so I that that was my idea here judging by how reddit's gone
00:51:31
lately it's probably just a money grab and will be total garbage very unhappy with what Reddit has been doing in the last couple of years uh however optimistic approach I do think that
00:51:44
putting a like paid I will see something that I pay for in my feed that I'm already scrolling approach is a good way
00:51:51
to do it cuz the problem with patreon is that you either have to check your email a lot and read everything in your email
00:51:57
which is a bad experience or you have to go to the patreon website in order to consume the content and like nobody just
00:52:03
frequents the patreon website right but if you're already scrolling Reddit and it just like a subreddit that you
00:52:08
subscribe to just shows up in your Reddit feed passively it's like I have access to content that I didn't have
00:52:14
before and is now part of my stream of content so I think that that is a good way to consume paid content is just to
00:52:21
have it appear with your other content I don't love that it's like isolated to Reddit and you have to probably use the official Reddit app and all this stuff so this is exactly how Twitter does it
00:52:34
right now you just described right so if you subscribe to someone on Twitter uh their paid content shows up inside the
00:52:41
feed along with the rest of the free content and if you aren't subscribed it actually shows you a tiny oneline
00:52:46
preview encouraging you to then go subscribe and pay to see the whole thing to unlock the posting or feed so it
00:52:52
makes sense it makes sense because also like people just scroll Reddit that's the thing are around and so it acts as a
00:52:58
platform to surface people exploring and finding new things so I can see that working out yeah I'm not shocked by it I
00:53:06
bet Reddit takes a cut and it's a competitive like they are platform so they're going to take a cut because
00:53:11
they're servicing things to people but then hopefully people who wouldn't have found as much of an audience on patreon
00:53:16
without that active people scrolling will have a bigger audience because Reddit just surfaces it to people also
00:53:23
over under on Reddit forcing you to subscribe to the subreddits on desktop because Apple would take a cut of whatever very good point yeah so if
00:53:34
you're in the Reddit app there's another 30% gone yeah damn yeah that's probably
00:53:39
going to happen this is based on very little information like I don't know if that's what they're doing that's my my
00:53:46
best take and I think that seems the most reasonable way to do it right is like to have a community communities
00:53:52
like to communities are more fun when they're small right cuz it actually feels like you're particip so by having a premium Community where
00:54:00
there is a a pay wall to get in guarantees a closer knit and especially one that can get brigaded by something else right that does seem beneficial um
00:54:12
and I could totally see it working I hate to give Reddit credit it'll still be on the worst app in all of history
00:54:18
and um I still hate Steve Huffman so there used to be a feature on the Reddit app where you could like go to the next
00:54:25
comment by hitting this little bubble and I no longer have it on my app I do don't remember that there for you you're
00:54:30
talking about collapsing a thread and the next thread come out it like just jumps to the next thread I thought they changed kind of how threading Works in
00:54:38
Reddit recently I still use uh relay Sor in the comments yeah I'm jealous I'm trying something with a good comment actually Incredible App yeah see there's no thing anymore there used to be a little bubble in the bottom right corner
00:54:49
that would jump you the next head what are you doing oh that does there's a little arrow down here oh yeah I don't
00:54:54
that's not on the IOS app anymore this app sucks yeah it's really bad yeah it's quite bad that's actually good to know damn they did put in a nice feature see it's just not in the IOS app
00:55:08
anymore H damn yeah e iPhone uses I will say if you like I I've had a continuously pretty good Reddit experience using relay on Android yeah so if you want a good Reddit experience
00:55:21
how much is it a month it's not cheap it's like eight bucks right it has to be not cheap because of how much how much it costs the developer for that it's not cheap yeah that's true low key that
00:55:33
might actually be worth it though if you use Reddit yeah yeah can sort through things easily
00:55:39
subscription if I just cancel my T subscription I could probably pay for that shows me my API usage wow with a
00:55:47
breakdown loading comments loading feed profiles wow dang yeah but PID subreddits actually kind of a good idea worst person you a great
00:56:01
point the best part is he hasn't even made the point we've we've developed the point for him yeah so question um they
00:56:10
have an they have an in Reddit video player and photo image viewer now right maybe that's why they were doing that instead of just having a YouTube INB bed where they can't like host the content
00:56:22
now it's like also better than patreon and that you can like host it locally just on the subreddit as well so you
00:56:27
have to go on reddit.com in order to view the like subscriber only content that could be interesting yeah yeah yeah
00:56:34
it all checks out it all checks out we'll keep an eye on it well speaking of speaking of checking out speaking of
00:56:41
eyes eyes you use them to read oh your sandwiches sandwiches book that you don't own anymore I thought mine was pretty good I said speaking of checking
00:56:53
out and then I was going to go to Amazon yeah Amazon exists that was a good oh I see checking out I was my head
00:56:59
went to like libraries like checking out books wait wait Amazon exists yeah yeah since when you didn't hear speaking of
00:57:06
yeah no the whole thing they sell books I hope you haven't checked out of this podcast yet but what is what is happening with Amazon and books though Adam Amazon is
00:57:18
removing a feature that will let you download your purchased ebook to your computer first cool cool cool cool so
00:57:24
not a huge deal because most people probably don't interact with their ebooks that way like if you like
00:57:29
personally when I buy an ebook on Kindle um I just download it straight to the device you know like straight through
00:57:35
Wi-Fi whatever but there is a way to download it to the computer first and then transfer it via USB cable to your
00:57:42
device if you wanted to do that for whatever reason one of the reasons is that that basically allows you to strip
00:57:48
it of DRM content and then you can put it on any other e-reader that you have because if you don't have a Kindle you just put it on a regular e-reader or whatever also that allows you to
00:58:00
basically own the ebook that you purchased Yeah well yeah cuz you bought it yeah well we can't have that that's
00:58:05
not going to happen anymore Amon can't have that because now when you down because you can't download it anymore
00:58:10
it's basically like streaming like you know how that is horrible yeah like how PlayStation if you buy the digital
00:58:17
version technically you don't like own the game you know it's the same situation now with books so if in for
00:58:22
whatever reason Amazon decides to stop hosting a book or or if they change the covers of books that's one thing people
00:58:28
have been complaining about or they like update the versions of the books your ebook will change because it's like
00:58:33
reflecting the changes that Amazon is doing on their end even though you purchased it so like what do you really
00:58:38
own anymore so you're basically purchasing an indefinite license yeah you're licensing the right to stream
00:58:44
this I hate the future yep iTunes too yeah and not that this is something that affects any of us but I'm pretty sure back in the day if you died Apple took
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all your iTunes files back and you couldn't pass them down to your kids they just put them up to the cloud damn
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with you bless out so basically if you have a big ebook Library in Kindle you have until February 26th to download all of your ebooks because after that you will no longer be able to I think meta
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just downloaded like 82 terabytes of it allegedly allegedly I heard out of curiosity will you still be able to side load ebooks onto a Kindle onto a Kindle
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yeah probably I believe so there's like to Cloud app that you can use that they haven't updated since 2006 but it okay
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okay this is more so how this is more so how you get books from Amazon like Amazon's changing it on their end how you do this I'll just go to borders instead yeah do that but what is like
00:59:42
purchasing anything anymore in this digital age like do we actually own anything yeah nope I don't think so when
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I buy a hogy I eat it and then it just disappears from my stomach when they decide to discontinue it you're just
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licensing I'm licensing the nutrients what what percentage of our audience knows what a hogi is oh it's a sandwich it's a hero it's pretty original
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right we've gone off the deep I think it's time to wrap up the Pod with [Music] trivia all right question number one fellas tono cover we get it from French
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but specifically we get it from the French word for what hit it a barrel B tunnel C mattress or D ton like the unit
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of measurement and this question took a lot of research so please don't mess it up are
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you sure that the research was correct why would you say that in front of why would you say that in front of our
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audience be like I don't know Ellis maybe they shouldn't trust you 100% just make sure you ask jet chbt first to confir oh yeah sure that'll get me the right answer all right flip him and read
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who wants to go first I just went with ton ton is correct nice let's go so I also did that so you also got it David you put
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mattress mattress I made up but in a rare in fact for the very first time in waveform multiple choice history there
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were two correct answers amongst this four because ton ton Toano actually comes is the French word for Barrel more specifically like a cask
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like a large barrel and the English word ton comes also from that word because you know this was the part that was really complicated to make sure I had to get right but essentially you started off by me measuring most of like how
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much stuff you could carry on a boat in how many barels you could fit on it and then over time through some complicated
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language stuff we extrapolated the word ton from that French word Barrel anyway thank you for coming to my TED Talk all that to say David you did actually have a 5050 shot to say that do you know how I know
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it wasn't mattress Ellis was so eager to say his like like like the bed of a truck come on I was like that's not it he's too proud of making that up yeah I
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should have known that was the French would have not said mattress they probably have another word for Mattress it's like sleeper something like that this has been Linguistics with way for
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but I really wanted to say damn there was a 50% chance how'd you come up with that sorry I should that's really mean
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quick update on the score I apologize Marquez with six okay Andrew with four after those two correct points good job guys David still in the lead with 10
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if you combine Andrew and marquez's points a tie it's TI you both I should have known it was a mattress should have okay next question nothing makes a beer what is it
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[Music] called I just don't write it's called nothing it's 5.1% it definitely has a name huh oh sorry it appears you cannot
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buy this beer everywhere yet not yet oh really but there is a mailing list how many points does David have 10 oh he has
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10 I thought he said 12 for some reason your math did not have the math a ma math
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then what is it called flip him and read what do you got oh good guesses D you have that's so really I put not beer no but I wish it
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was I put dot no Marquez I put nothing no it's called beer dang I thought about that you were the closest you literally put not beer but
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it is beer so what kind of beer is it it is a light logger of course it is the easiest beer to manufacture I'm sure you just met a few people with that I think I read somewh
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it was like a Japanese style logger maybe I would be into that anyway guys I think that has been our show unless
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anyone else has something oh to that dude who posted in the in the not our MKBHD subreddit saying like I found your thing that's the same problem I keep having that's just a a
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thermometer you put a thermometer in your house and it tells you I used to have one of those that just rang a bell
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I used to have one of those yeah they're fine but to me it's like no no I want I want forecast I want High you talking I
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want I'm talking about last week about the Brookstone weather cast okay thank you for but I used to have the thing that that guy posted where you'd put a
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little thermometer in your window yeah yeah yeah that's great but it's not it's not it's not it's not the I want to know
01:04:57
someone deleted it it just said didn't it say like here you go Alice yeah which is a deep cut reference to uh the wave
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form podcast but uh well I think that about does it for our show right yeah that's for sure no more news no more news no more news we covered all the news for sure nothing will happen between now and Friday thanks for
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watching thanks for listening and uh again let us know at South by Southwest what we should do to invol ev/ incorporate you guys who will also be at
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South by Southwest let us know in a comment we'll definitely do the most upvoted
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thing whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa maybe cut that part anyway that's it catch you guys next week peace W from was produced by Adam Alena and Ellis Ren we're partner with the Fox
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Media podcast Network and our interor music was created by V Sil Bingo let's go [Music]
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you said which one seems obvious and I don't want to say that out loud if well if it's so obvious then your boys are
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probably thinking it too not these more hun well the not these people with eight
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times the amount of points that I have mattress cover