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you mean this one not David just turned around his whiteboard and uh wow it was sort of like California if you kicked it really
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hard that's that's a French I was trying to do the s that everyone like wrote on
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their school table crinkly friend oh that's not even wait you don't know how to do that one I don't know how to do it that's so
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easy I never learned how to do show me live it kind of looks like I want I want to learn how to do this I can't believe
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I'm teaching you this is fortive marz just drew three lines with three vertical lines with three vertical lines
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below it he then connected the the two outer bottom and two outer top lines I do the inside first yeah I've always been an inside first kind of guy that's it that's it no that's not it to connect
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yeah you're missing two bada boom you just connect oh they just go inside of itself yeah oh well that's what I was
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trying to do [Music] yo what is up people of the internet welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts I'm Marquez I'm Andrew and I'm David and
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this week we're back with uh there's a whole bunch of different phone topics uh all across the board triple folding
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phones phone colors phone rumors nuclear charging phones all kinds of weird stuff
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like that and uh we also got some fun YouTube chat as well it's a good time but first we can wrap up pixel 9 week
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the reviews are out everyone's tested the phones now David you're using the 9 Pro still rose quartz my watch later playlist looks crazy right now there's a bunch yeah this so we're recording this
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on Wednesday when the reviews got wrapped up and published by the skin of our teeth too that video finished
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rendering like half an hour before the Embargo it was great but now it's out and uh we can kind of go over our final
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thoughts which are well I really like him I think they're really good phones I think the hardware is finally up to Snuff 90% of the way there I say that because if you put it next to an s24
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ultra you can still see slightly thinner bezels and slightly better material but
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I give it 90% of the way there and the hardware and the software sorry is also really good a lot of interesting AI
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features you can take it or leave it use some of them if you like them just not use the ones you don't care about so
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it's a good phone yeah they are more expensive and I think they are Justified super Bender Vibes on the back that's
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all I could think of watching the en time just like yeah I think it's the fact that the the bean is slightly to
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the left so it looks like it's like a 45° angle I knew Alice would like that did I lose my mic no did I lose my headphones you better go catch can you hear me yeah that's weird I hear you I
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hear you testing testing but do you hear us yeah so you he okay wait now I feel like now I hear you hear our microphone
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think I just had a stroke AMD testing testing I don't know what happened you were talking about Bender I think it looks like Bender at like a 45 degree angle because like the The Bean
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Is kind of to the left I I feel like that's a sign of an age divide where like past a certain age you see Bender younger than a certain age you see Among Us I can't call it among us because we
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already called the phone Among Us so that's why I feel like Among Us at this point it does have it is very it is very
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sus I can shed some on some things that I didn't say in the review which are I've been using the s24 ultra as my daily phone since like January since it came out uh I'm fully now on the black
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pixel 9 Pro XL uh and I've also dropped it already I dropped it from uh counter height onto bathroom tile and I when I dropped it
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this was before we shot the review I thought I've just shattered this and then I picked it up and nothing was shattered it's uh it does have like two
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Nicks on the aluminum band and one of them shows up in the video review if you're looking for it it's on the camera bump everything else is fine I'm going to keep using it without a case sorry
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Mom correct yeah it's funny because they said that these phones were more drop resistant than last year by a certain
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percentage and it's because they're square and it turns out when you square things they become more Dro cuz Apple uh
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when they introduced the iPhone 12 they had the shatter Shield or whatever they called it ceramic ceramic
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and it's just because they CH the shape there's there's less CH that it imps the
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screen when it doesn't when the screen doesn't curve into the device at all also true I think they look so good I've also been using these for the same amount of time you been using the pink
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one the pink one yes you mean the rose quartz one yeah one but for my European friends out there I need to tell you um I have I got some people to upgrade to RC
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S I got some people to update to iOS 18.0 beta public beta 5 it's public it's stable it's okay but some people message me like what's a good time to hang out
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and then why the freak is this sending as a green text what did you do and I was like if you just upgraded the iOS 18 public beta we could we you could use RCS and they said I don't understand
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anything you just said I'll text you in two weeks it would also still green yeah
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it would still be GRE know I know I know I know yeah when I got a text from you this morning I you were confused I
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almost just didn't text you back this is something Apple does that's kind of lame is because if your phone is off or if
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your phone's dead your iPhone is dead and you text someone it comes through as an SMS because they can't reach your
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phone because your phone is dead and so it'll come through as a green text but that also happens when you switch to
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Android so a lot of people are conf or when you just your phone number is not active anymore so a lot of people would
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just be like did you get a new phone or did you like break your phone or did you
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switch to Android and the fact that those are all the same thing yeah it's kind of painful the reason I've never
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had someone say that to me because I've only ever use an Android phone and like no one's used to it okay cuz I've never
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heard somebody it's had if you are a blue bubble friend to some people this is we're so derailed but if you're the blue bubble friend and you suddenly are a green bubble then they're like that
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like changes everything for some people I switch all the time even like loyalty I've never had someone say like oh you're a green bubble ever to me yeah too scared we think it damn
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wow wow yeah anyway yeah I think I'm I'm happy to daily drive this phone I'm about to leave for Australia so spoiler um I whenever I travel internationally I
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want to take the most reliable phone with me the one that I know will have a good battery life even when it's roaming a lot the one that I know will probably
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have as many bands as I could possibly rely on um I'm taking the pixel I normally default straight to the Samsung
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but I'm going to take the pixel it's had really good reception apparently there's a new modem things are working well with
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the pixel and I'm going to just trust it what would it take for you to go back to the s24 like how bad of an experience
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would you have to have in Australia with this phone well the thing about the pixel is we have to see how it ages
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that's that's usually my last concern which is like it's great now but but in 6 months will it still be great will
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things still be smooth will bugs not pop up will Android 15 show up and suddenly things are way different I'm hoping it's
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still great but that's you know something to keep an eye on uh other than that I don't think I
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don't think anything is going to do it yeah yeah it's just the yeah the processing on the camera is still a
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little much it's true yeah the s24 ultra has a better maybe that's my hot take has a better overall camera system than the pixel that is hot what do you mean overall video images are a little bit
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more natural it has better Zoom like 10x You could argue better as subjective but
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like it has a further telephoto so you can do better far Zoom uh more natural looking video it's just slightly more natural looking camera which is crazy to say about Samsung with the 50 megapixel
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mode when you take a bunch of like rapid pictures the refining like picture bar that pops up like loading while it's
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processing it takes a while like it was going for minutes yeah like cuz I took a bunch of pictures last week and then I
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put my phone away no there's a 1250 and 200 and on the 50 megapixel I Haven even
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tried the 200 one but I took a bunch of pictures put my phone away pulled it back out a couple minutes later to like use my phone and it had been like four
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or five minutes and it shows like elapse time and it was like time refining picture 4 minutes and it's I was like oh
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my God it's still going yeah the things I miss um on this is like there are no apps currently on Android that there's
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some new apps coming out on iOS recently that have been doing basically no processing on photos uh there's an app
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called zero cam that's been getting bigger and then haly released an update that also does like zero processing that
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looks awesome looks like a digicam basically or just like a regular camera um and there's no version of that for Android which kind of bums me out but the Lightroom mobile app can shoot raw
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so you can at least do that does open cam do open camera uses like Google's camera I
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believe I know there's an HDR toggle on in open cam but I guess they're still Computing without it yeah HDR is still computational yeah photography you can
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turn it off though in open cam HDR yeah and notably with the when I was using the books Palma uh H the HDR switch did
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nothing of course there's no stabilization at all yeah yeah also I think on Samsung phones
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doing Pro raw or expert raw one of them something like that doesn't use the uh the after processing the HDR processing interesting I forget which one it is yeah yeah Google added a bunch of stuff
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where they were like we added the HDR in the middle of the pipeline now so it doesn't happen at the end and you can't
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get rid of it and I'm like guys please why guys I don't want everything to be a midtone I just don't well it most people think that means better did you like the
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pictures coming out of the pixel 9 though um I think the I liked the 5x Optical telephoto photos I think they were pretty good I got a little picture of a little snake he's cute that one's
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in the review that's a good photo yeah a good shot all right let's let's wrap this up with most overrated and most
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underrated pixel features now that we've actually used them okay um I'm going underrated is the new fingerprint reader
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yeah it's great it's like that was one of the things that made the old pixels feel worse slower lower quality is just
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it took like a beat to just unlock the phone and every time you unlock the phone like that time adds up ultrasonic
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one love that underrated definitely um overrated for me may be uh the zoom enhance feature didn't didn't really do anything for me yeah watched
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the video and like it just looked like nothing happened I mean I did some pixel peeping I did a bunch of other examples
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it what it's doing is it's kind of using a generative AI to add some texture and
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try to add add some structure to shapes that may or may not actually be what they are so if you have like smooth
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glass windows it'll add like some some texture to it yeah it ends up looking kind of like an AI generated watercolor
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yeah the way I see it it's like if the photo is already decent it basically just turns up the sharpening or Clarity
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so it's not really worth it and then if it's not decent and you actually need it to do something it just AI generates an
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area and looks like Dolly like a dolly one generat detail out of thin air it's not very
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good so I get what they were thinking they were doing here and they have the models on the phone I just didn't really
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work they've been wasn't it like uh was it pixel 2 or three that was like uh we're going to use the image stabilization for Zoomed In photos and then that's going to then take multiple
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photos and Stitch those together and make zooming in so good do they just announce a zoom in like every year and
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it fails every single year super resed zoom was a thing on the pixel 3 I think um yeah it seems like they do that it's is zooming the hardest thing to do on a smartphone camera that is that what
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we're learning it's been how many years now and we're still just not taking any good Optics physics it's just physics
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but they've made software fix a lot of things and this seems to be something they have not fixed I think the difference is like previously they would
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just use machine learning to like guess pixels but now they're using generative AI to like generate based on a database
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of of like stuff so it's I think it's worse now personally that's weird yeah yeah yeah that's like I mean it's like the Samsung Moon photo with everything zoomed in instead pretty much I mean in
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the actual presentation when he was like when he had created something the hot air balloon he was going for the second
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one he went past was like a melon like a melting nectarine in the sky yeah yeah okay so that's your overrated feature yep okay underrated I'm going to say
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call notes overrated underrated oh underrated because every year prior to this with
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new pixels there would always be some crazy Google only could do this kind of feature that you didn't even think of that was just actually useful like the
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uh now playing where you would just it just shows you m the music that's playing just ambiently on your phone
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there useful no one's copied that I know it's good I it's wild I'm I do wonder if
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they like copyrighted it somehow or something or it's part of core Android or something like that um I guess not
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because it's not on other phones anyway generally every year there's just like a lot of stuff like that and because of
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all this generative AI stuff they've really pivoted a lot of the Innovations to just be like Google pixel Studio
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generate photos that nobody wants yeah um so anyway having something like call notes where it's literally just it's transcribing your call for you and then using a little bit of generative AI sure
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to give you a summary of the call I think that's useful you know I think it's useful I don't think I would ever
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have the courage to press that button on the phone literally anybody you got to ask yeah you have to ask and then it has
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to ask for you again pretty much and I just would be way too embarrassed to probably ever yeah I mean I'd be like is
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it okay if I record this it's going to make a sound I would be like yeah is it is it okay to record this it's also going to make a really cringey robot
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question or whatever like after this I'm sorry and then they would be like laughing and really confused on when to
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start and I'd be like I'm I just hang up the phone never mind well I was on the phone for like an hour the other day uh
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talking to someone for the special episode we have coming up next week and afterwards I was like that would have
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been really useful to use and I didn't think of using it that's the difference is I haven't been on the phone for an
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hour in years but if you are the type of person who's on an hourlong phone call that you need to remember it's pretty
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good for you okay yeah overrated does that mean that people think it's good and I don't agree or do that count I
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would just say something that you think doesn't work as well as the hype suggested it would or isn't as useful as
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maybe it could have been as Google says it is or as people say it is that's the difference either either one whoever you
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feel like calling out I mean I I have to say the screenshot app I'm sorry I want Andrew I want you to defend this well it's already my underrated okay CU I like I like your
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your take on it I just don't agree I think I I wanted to argue it sorry like not sem interrupting well when Marquez was doing the a-roll I was script supervising and he put it in me but you
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did a really good job at saying based on how I'm using things I was like okay that's fine I think there and I don't
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disagree with you guys I think there's a lot of people who are never going to touch that app yeah but I think there's some people who are going to find it
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genuinely useful and it's going to be awesome for I mean if you think about to when we did the recall stuff remember
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how a lot of it despite it being really creepy was like w this could come in handy at some point mhm how about this
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how about this is that but you get to do it how about the overrated part of it is that it's an app not just a feature
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built into Google photos agreed I do think there is a little more they would have to add to Google photos because I
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do think the like pinning it into different categories and having those and everything and it does seem like the
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way they showed the search and how fast it was is just a little different than how the search in Google photos is do I
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think this is going to be killed and thrown in Google photos again duh it's Google so I feel like we're on the same
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page but one of us is more optimistic and one's more pessimistic about it I think all of us agree that the app is exactly the same thing we all expect it to be yeah I think my my oversight
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version of it is everything that they built into it is in some way built into someone's photo app other than the
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remind me feature the reminders you can remind yourself of a screenshot which based on maybe some context in the or whatever time you want fine but that other feature of like oh you took a
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screenshot of a web page or a YouTube video and it just like does you want to revisit that web page Samsung's Gallery already does that the collections feature is just albums like it's
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basically a photo app but just for screenshot I think that's what's conf it's basically you're right it basically
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is its own album already but in Google photos you can't search per album can you um if you just wanted to look look
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up using their example say you were looking up bikes and you screenshotted a bunch of bikes and then you wanted to
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search bikes if you do that in Google photos right now would you get things from your screenshot you would definitely get things from your your
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photos yes but again this is something they just should add to Google they should it feels like it would need to be
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this whole new step in Google photos like because it would need to be inside the album then in that album The
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screenshots page there would have to be their own albums for all the other things and then searching in that would
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have to be exclusive to just all of those yeah I see what you're saying so I think this is just their easy way of
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doing it this is also just a great way to Showcase a useful AI feature correct it's just crazy to make an entire app
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just for that I think it's easy to do it yeah or lazy maybe I don't know I don't want to call anyone over there lazy
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because it seems cool I just feel like I would have respected them more if they were like and we made Google photos better by allowing you to do this it's
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kind of like when they uh at IO what of the only useful Gemini AI features that they talked about was now in Google photos you can say show me Kira's swim
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progress and it will show you multiple different times when your kid was swimming and how they got better like
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that's that's a useful thing and they're just like and now you can do this in Google photos as opposed to like please
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use this technology I think it it should be in Google photos I definitely do not
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disagree with that sorry is that I feel like you're underrated or your overrated my underrated went into one think did
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you get everything out both overrated and underated at the same time unless okay if you have is it
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perfectly rated it's rated it's rated yeah it's comb if do you have any things that you think make it underrated that
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are like unique that you would use it for I think I would use it for all the reasons they said and I think it will be
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something that nobody ever opens or someone finds like extreme use with like I don't know I take a lot of screenshots maybe because I'm lazy and I don't feel like writing it down and putting links on things so if I could just you know
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screenshot and then the second I take the screenshot it has a little like add to album or create new album on that and that adds it inside there I think I
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would use that all the time Pinterest I had a I had a moment I think yesterday where I was rewatching my footage of
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this and I just like instantly was like Google's going to kill this yeah Google's going to kill us and the reason I thought that is because they've had
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many to-do or note taking like projects in the past and this kind of feels like it falls in line with those in that it
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can't do everything but it does some things pretty well like Google keep also floats around don't remind them about
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that it floats around in this area where like I want to use Google keep for everything but it doesn't do some basic
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stuff so I can't use it for everything screenshots would be awesome but it's only screenshots and I feel like the
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things that it's good at I want to like screenshot an invitation or whatever like a wedding registry and then now it
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like knows oh it'll remind you on a certain day when to think about something that's cool I also want to be
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able to take a photo of a sign of an event and I also want to be able to take a photo of my hotel room or where I
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parked and stuff like that but since it's not a screenshot it doesn't go in the screenshots app unless I take a
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screenshot of my photo so it's like yeah the fact that it doesn't do everything already to me SC be yeah
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agreed and they'll never that's something they should add but they probably won't because they called it the screenshots app which feels Dum yeah
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which is yeah just screenshot there's already a screenshots folder in Google photos it's redundant now yeah so there
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are definitely people who take a lot of screenshots and need that information and organize their life with a bunch of that type of stuff and that's there are
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people there's people who do that they might be in the room with us right now yeah so those people may really like this I would prefer if it just like recognized contextual information and
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asked you if you wanted to do stuff with that like if you took the photo of the or screenshot of that wedding invitation
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or whatever and it's like do you want to add this to your calendar awesome Yep that would be so great do super easily
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my my theory that I gave in the review is I think that there is slightly more detailed processing happening of every single thing that goes into the screenshots app than normally goes into Google photos and I think that's
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actually true because when you first set up the phone it it has to take a moment connect it to Wi-Fi and like process all
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of your screenshots takes a minute so it's doing I think a little bit more work than it normally would in the
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Google photos app and so it's able to parse out little tiny bits of text or even little things that you might not get from Google photos
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index so for you you said you had to open up the app press a button and then it does a bunch of processing mhm only on the first time when you open the first time you load the app yeah I think
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it has to like contextually process all of the screenshots and understand what they are and tag them and stuff yeah
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what's your overrated I don't know if I really have an overrated I didn't get to play with it as much as you guys did
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funny enough if I probably had to pick an overrated thing I would pick your underrated my call just because I would
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never I would be too scared to use it I think it I think it is probably the best feature that they have that I would just
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never use which is yeah we're just basically the opposite on that yeah I mean to me at least it just seems like
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something that's there in case you need it agreed yeah yeah you may not use it for months but then one day you're like
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I need to call someone and I need them to give me instructions over the phone on how to change my tire whatever I'm
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just going to try to use this feature once maybe it works can you use it on like voicemails can it Ai summ Se it's
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literally like in the phone app as you're on a call it shows up in the middle and I was like do you want to use this feature by the way they also have
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this feature called like audio emojis which they added like last year it's weird I I forgot about they have like the party one and like a smiley face and you hit if you hit the party one it just
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really loudly goes like that was a fantastic impression so was really good but it's just it's really shocking and it's way louder than you you're both
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talking to each other and it's just like and it comes out both sides jump scare who you're on the phone with it's like a
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soundboard for your phone yeah it's a soundboard for your phone calls yeah like weird it's like how in Google meet if you like oh no this is actually not in Google meet it's an app it's just built
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into Apple computer well if you're on a yeah if you're on an Apple computer and you give a thumbs up then it just adds
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another bigger thumbs up an apple thing not a zoom that's Google me right cuz no that's Apple I thought an apple if you
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did that it would do the fireworks oh slack does that oh maybe there there's a lot too many video things doing what but every everyone's enhancing our our gestures with like Emoji versions of it
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so yeah I have an overrated the pink yep yeah I said it which pink there's two pink ones yeah there's two pinks so the rose the rose quartz that David is holding here is the
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Pro phone it's a more faded pink it's a little more neutral and the rails correct me if I'm wrong even less pink
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right yeah they are pink though a little bit pink then there's the PE PE is the yeah PE is the name of
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the other nonpr phone I think it's PE PE really there's a whole thing in the comment section of like I haven't said Pon my whole life people were correct so in a bunch of YouTube videos there's a
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bunch of tech reviewers who have never said that word before and we're all seeing this as the name of the phone and going peon I like those words and of
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course like like you know one out of every hundred people in the comments is like what's wrong with you it's obviously PE so I I think I'm saying
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that right but that's the nonpr phone it's much more pink hotter pink you might like that one more is it warmer
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though because my problem with this one is that it's a cool pink like it's more bluish Hue I'd say it's warmer yeah it's
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warmer okay warmer is H ink peie yeah like the flower I I said that right what is yeah that's a flower I was WR yeah yeah it's a flower it's like it's like a lavender like Lavender is a
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color and a flour you know and a spice the well the the herb is the flow yeah I'm highly allergic so I don't know these things that's a great place to wrap this
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up um I think we oh did you have a segue yeah we've got speaking of warm Bon speaking a Andrew that is not what I mean that's the color what do you mean
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okay go ahead go on let him cook let him cook I'm not I did not even add The Poop part in there hold on we're cutting this we're cutting this I just meant that is a
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warmer Brown that is a warmer Brown I'd say it's in the warm Spectrum yeah it's like it's like in the sand if it's if
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you turn sand saturation up for those that don't know what I'm talking about oh sorry yeah we're not cutting any of
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this the rumored special color for the iPhone 16 Pro is brown but it's a certain shade of brown bronze they're really going to have to name this one it's probably just going
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to be called bronze but didn't they have a they didn't have a bronze bronze that was the Samsung phone that was was the
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Galaxy S Note looks 20 Ultra it looks good in the lineup of phones the iPhone some I think this looks worse in the lineup of
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okay here's what's happening they there's a rumor there's a there's a render floating around of this new Cod there's also a photo oh I haven't seen
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that okay it's bad okay so the render floating round has the old wallpaper and then they've also color matched all of the icons on the home screen and it looks leathery it's bad I
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don't like it Ley it's a bad color me there is a rough color and it's replacing blue titanium that's so sad
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well allegedly oh yeah allegedly remember allegedly butt allegedly that's on this like this leak photo that 9 to5
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Mac has of like the lineup of them and there's no blue and instead there's this greenish Brown like Rusty pipe color this was Mystic bronze on the Samsung Galaxy Note
00:28:05
20 Ultra that more Pink So yeah so the Mystic part was warming it up or making it more pink than regular bronze Mystic helped yeah I I don't mind that I think you can get away with using bronze there
00:28:17
but like when you we just had the Olympics like when you picture your bronze you kind of you have a certain darker darker like color in your head
00:28:23
this doesn't look bronze at all to me if you're metal at the Olympics was this color you so sad I don't know it's a
00:28:30
rumor it's what people think maybe rumor if you drop this phone in a swimming pool everyone's get
00:28:37
now that's a great way yep yeah yep it's it'll be waterproof though so you can go get it all right Andrew you want this episode of The W poop cast this is we hit our
00:28:48
poop quota for the rest of the year I think in this one okay you want to Pivot yeah I have zero segue for this one
00:28:56
though but um just previously I'm going make this really fast cuz the last time I talked about keyboards was really
00:29:01
boring and this is about that okay yeah give me one minute give me one minute it wasn't as boring as when Marquez and um
00:29:09
miles were talking about cars I was just like brain was melting okay 90 seconds how's that sound yeah let's go all right set a timer for 90 seconds go uh so a few episodes ago we talked
00:29:21
about something called snaptap which was this new hall effect keyboard Software System that Razer introduced that made
00:29:28
certain movements in games like Counter-Strike really easy um valve just banned that from in their Counter Strike game so you will not be allowed to use it funny I'm glad they caught this quick
00:29:41
because a bunch of keyboards were very clearly going to start to add this example Asus created one and announced
00:29:47
it the day after they banned it fun um and then that kind of sucks it's still useful in some other games but counter trigger is the most useful and now you can't even use it so all the people who learned how to do it you're still going
00:29:58
to be better yeah yeah how did they know I think they're going to know because like the exact perfect timing between overriding the two what if your
00:30:11
perfect yeah what if good what if you're a God on the keyboard you're not smash players I think I saw a a even by ACD
00:30:18
something with like the pro players and how often they hit a perfect Counter Strike and it was only like 80% or
00:30:24
something like that so if you're doing it all the time 80 Guess 100% of the time yeah you you you can't not be 100%
00:30:31
of the time pretty much with this feature got even questions 15 seconds to spare let's go like And subscribe to the
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waveform podcast well um cool that's it's kind of well as a less note to that it is kind of crazy that they're they're banning it when like all of the keyboard manufacturers
00:30:49
are just pivoting to making those keyboards now they're going to have it and I wouldn't be surprised if like first of all it'll still be helpful in
00:30:55
OverWatch or valer and it's just not quite as gamebreaking and I think the reason Counterstrike is going to do it
00:31:01
is cuz it just has this super long history of people spending over a decade perfecting it and now having something new where a lot of newer games either not having it be as like useful in there
00:31:14
or just like it's new and now everyone will have that Advantage from the start yeah it's not as big of a deal interesting that's my so valve probably
00:31:20
felt like we have to ban this because it's such a big deal in our games but other people can make their own choices yeah and they've done things in the past
00:31:27
where software did did something specifically like that and they have banned that so I guess precedent is sort
00:31:32
of there and then they are they only Banning in Pro matches or I think it's no no it's just banned in the game they
00:31:38
even said like if this is something on your keyboard or if you buy one of these you have to be sure you turn it off dang
00:31:44
that'll be interesting if people get don't know or like turn it on in the settings and don't really know or and
00:31:50
then get banned but D dang all right well that's a good place to take a break we have a lot more gadgets and fun stuff
00:31:55
like that to talk about but before we get to that stuff we should do [Music] trivia remember how right before we
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program after being sued by a three-time champion of what sport 2009 you said 2009 cuz someone pretended to be them because someone pretended to be them on Twitter on Twitter in 2009 and they sued
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Twitter and Twitter created verification champion of an event I didn't want to ask you the guy because there's so many guys but what sport was he a three-time
00:32:59
champion we're talking about like champion champion like not like high school Champion or no we're talking
00:33:04
about champion champion champion of the sport keyboard Warrior I'll give you a hint it is a sport where the Champions
00:33:10
are referred to as the world champions despite the fact that this Championship was only United States sports teams so
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Noahs doesn't count it as a world champion no wish I knew anything about sports that beef is so funny to I love
00:33:24
that beef so much really funny is it rare are they going to race they're going to race right maybe we'll keep it
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if they do we'll update a people on the podcast just let let them know uh and we'll let David know during this ad
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now filled in on the drama between no is and tiger Hill um and the NBA and also we have to talk about this triple folding phone that's out now I like knowing about sport it's great sport fun
00:34:57
it's good love it um okay so the the article the news is that huawei's CEO is walking around and getting photographed with this phone that no one's ever seen before and when you zoom in on it it
00:35:10
looks like it's a three- layered stack as in a triple folding phone trifold trifold we love it Huawei is not making a trifold right now maybe they will this is the equivalent of like Sundar Pai
00:35:22
walking around with like a unreleased pixel like you're the CEO you know people are going to photograph you this
00:35:27
is is basically an ad I don't know where to start with my thoughts on this remember when the iPhone 10 slipped out of Tim Cook's pocket during the
00:35:33
interview he was giving yeah it's like you're Tim Cook everyone's taking pictures of everything you do everyone
00:35:39
like Zooms in on the bll Jinger pocket anyway and thinks maybe that's a phone that's not released based on the square
00:35:45
of the camera whatever it's like good job Huawei CEO now we're talking about Huawei phon you think this is straight up purpose you think he did it on purpose 100% there's another shot of him
00:35:55
on a plane with it fully folded so he's on a plane just next to other people just like just holding it am I the only one that's kind of surprised that he doesn't have his own private jet for
00:36:07
everything well how else do you get these photos out yeah yeah we would be talking about these if he was on a private jet yeah yeah no there's no trifold yet I my other take on this
00:36:18
though is wait what you know what's really funny about this the like paparazzi photos of him using the Huawei
00:36:25
phone have the Huawei x5x image water scams plant at first such a plant dude I found the Huawei CEO and I happen
00:36:37
to know what he looks like and they're like look at the zoom you can crop in like crazy and the quality is still good
00:36:42
amazing this quality is terrible by the way I know but you know but anyway my other take is that a triple folding
00:36:50
phone is epic not a good idea you guys are crazy because I I just don't see a way you can fold it twice and not have one side be ruthlessly exposed the elements and
00:37:02
also how do you hold a triple folding like which ways does it fold is it folding how is it so it goes screen on top slips around like this okay it has
00:37:14
to be an S it has to be an S okay anyway so there's a bunch of ways you can see the back so it's not on the back the
00:37:20
screen is not on the backen reg yeah oh that's a good point got cameras on the back how does this work that's what I'm
00:37:26
saying now it's now oh no no it's just that it has a screen on one side has two screens
00:37:33
what okay you mean the M wait what no you this has a screen on the front so you use it regular in like candy bar mode right and then that opens and has a screen under it and then there's another
00:37:46
screen okay so then the middle inside screen is just I think they said 10 in this is too much I think this makes the most sense because like this is actually the folding tablet that you're looking for like
00:37:58
is a fullblown taet really wonky accordion one that would be a good reason for it to exist over a regular
00:38:04
cuz right now we have our dual scre our folding screen let's say pixel fold type
00:38:10
devices or or Galaxy Z fold type devices where the screen on the outside is normal-ish phone sized and then the screen on the inside is small tablet sized so there's a world where you could
00:38:23
argue that a triple folding phone 10 in can give you a full size tablet in your pocket imagine the Nexus 10 in your pocket the Nexus 10 had these nice
00:38:34
bezels to hold giel that was kind of nice actually um I don't know I I want to give it some time to develop and breathe and be a real product because just based on these
00:38:45
photos all we really get to do is talk about Huawei and what they might be doing it looks wonky how he's holding it like it doesn't look like it's folding out flat when he's got it open and that would be a huge bum
00:38:58
but if they could pull it off how expensive would this be yep wait so let's imagine one screen phones are
00:39:06
$900 the $1,700 for most folding phones so we just add another 25 25 to 3,000 we're only like 17 hinges away from crumple phone can I a lot of hinges can I just
00:39:20
say my favorite part of this mhm one of the top replies to this was casually testing a device with no distin
00:39:26
disguising cas I just want to know what disguising case this person thinks a folding phone could
00:39:32
be in a box just a shadow box that he like sticks his head into use the whole thing yeah it's like the CEO of like forward driving around an unreleased car like
00:39:43
you wanted us to talk about this didn't you yeah didn't you no disguise didn't you or or it's not a phone they're ever
00:39:50
going to put out and the CEO is just like I want this I'm the CEO cook it up for me that's a good I don't know this CEO very well but that there is there are CEOs like that I would 100% do that
00:40:03
just be like I want this one of one yeah like no one else wants this iPhone Mini but make me the iPhone Mini I think they're going to put it out guys all I
00:40:09
have to do is become the CEO of Apple and I can get a new one I think Huawei is going even harder on making their
00:40:16
phones more unique considering they're like not sold anywhere else in the US anymore or not even in the world are
00:40:21
they even sold in Europe anymore no I believe they're sold in Europe are they okay H cuz they they were for a bit I
00:40:28
think maybe honor is there now but I'm not sure about WWE anymore but either way I think that they're going they're
00:40:34
trying to go even harder to just be like see what you guys are missing we got Innovation and
00:40:40
Technology yeah I do miss the uh Huawei P series phones the phones are awesome they basically invented like low light photography on smartphones yeah the
00:40:52
P30 Pro was czy it was freaking I remember playing with that in a bar San Francisco with you oh my God it was insane yeah it's saw in the dark for sure it's crazy speaking of what people
00:41:04
are missing wait it seems based on this Reddit post in r/ Huawei that uh all Huawei phones will be pulled off of at least the UK Network by
00:41:17
2027 and the UK is all of Europe so I'm going to keep reading famously famously Andrew manganelli and
00:41:26
at Ellis Roven if you have the answer to if you can use Huawei devices I think probably can I'm sure you can use it somewhat speaking of phone information
00:41:37
and crazy technology that may or may not ever come to the rest of us so that was
00:41:42
pretty one right real me just showed off I somewhere else I was getting I I made
00:41:48
a i zigged when you zagged but let's go there that's what the trifold phone does one zigs and one
00:41:54
Zs oh my God okay yeah let's let's talk about realy okay this is a this is not a
00:42:00
real phone but this is a thing that they successfully demoed M real me demoed 320
00:42:08
wat fast charging in a smartphone do people understand that the MacBook Pro 16 in maxes out at 140 Watts which is like really fast you really need context
00:42:18
for this the context is this is my favorite genre of content is trying to contextualize extreme
00:42:24
things the iPhone charges is at like 20 something Watts right that's like a like
00:42:31
it's like an average charging phone it's kind of below average at this point we've got some 30ish wattage phones the
00:42:37
pixel this year charges at 37 Watts for the pro XL great but some of the fastest
00:42:43
charging phones we've seen here on this side of the Atlantic charge at like 60 watts yeah which are really convenient there was a OnePlus phone that charged at 80 Watts it was amazing was it not a
00:42:55
120 overseas it was doing more wattage because they had different outlets and whatever they had a different Breck for
00:43:02
it but it was like 80 watts in the US I think that's the fastest charging phone I've ever us it super vuk 125 watt with
00:43:09
the regular us adapter really looks like of course when I go to it the page is no
00:43:14
longer available did you know that parag green Falcons can apparently travel up to 240 mph and a free fall dive boy do I
00:43:20
know a lot about that I feel like that is the equivalent of this surprising to you they're in uh New York on
00:43:26
skyscrapers they're going to ATT and you won't even see it coming yeah so like I
00:43:32
said 80 wat charging phone is like extremely quick you plug it in for 3 minutes and you get like 15 20% battery
00:43:39
out of it it's like amazing it's very convenient I love seeing that feature if you're at the airport and your flight is
00:43:45
literally starting to board and your phone's almost dead you can plug it in for like 4 minutes as the flight boards
00:43:51
unplug and have like a flight's worth of battery it's just the convenient moments like that mhm this phone
00:43:58
realy had plugged in at 0% and by four and Sorry 4 minutes and 30 seconds it was full yeah okay wait
00:44:11
also the photos so when you first said that mhm I thought of the was it the Rog phone or the Lenovo Legion that had two the legion yeah so it would charge both batteries at the same time and I was
00:44:23
like is it doing it's one cord that's doing this it's one cable it's one bre it is I mean we don't have a bunch of
00:44:29
details about temperatures or anything else like that but it's a 4400 mAh battery that again goes from 1% to 100%
00:44:37
in 4 minutes and a half 4 minutes and 22 seconds there are laws I this phone broke phys I think this phone this has to damage the
00:44:50
battery there's just there's just no way that's a onetime use feature yeah I'd like to be able to use this phone again after um yeah I don't know there's not there's isn't necessarily coming to a
00:45:01
real phone real is obviously pushing the limits on the regular phones with like 100 10050 watt charging and that's amazing but this is just a crazy demo
00:45:07
that they showed what was the car that only has 100 launches this is that yeah this only has
00:45:14
100 yeah 100 100 or 240 watt no 320 watt it can only do that 100 times before the battery is completely toast would you take that as a feature no you could do
00:45:26
this 100 times 100% take that what was the other one that only fast charged a certain number of times in a day it was
00:45:34
it was the Lexus the Lexus you can only fast charge twice in one day 24 hours twice in 24 hours is even worse so I don't know if you saw so the autofocus we did a review of the Lexus something
00:45:46
something 450e it has a 24ish mile range generously which is already not great and if you decide to go road trip that means you're going to have to charge a few times but it will only fast charge
00:45:58
twice from 0 to 80% in 24 hours and then it will lock fast charging and only slow
00:46:04
charge until that timer is up which is insane there's a lot of driving yeah but like I drove to Ohio straight shot and I had to charge my car like three and a half times yeah it's it's road trip type
00:46:17
cuz 80% is not the full 240 miles it's like 200 miles oh yeah true so if you really 600 miles yeah may you go
00:46:24
further I'm just saying I'm not saying you no other cars with that limit it's tough this uh would you take a phone I'm
00:46:32
trying to I'm trying to find the balancing point would you take a phone that could do this Z to 104 minutes
00:46:40
uhhuh but only does it 365 times and then from there it will it'll charge extremely slowly extremely slowly two Watts 365 is
00:46:53
different we have to give it give it at least you have to hand crank it the rest of the time you shake it use kinetic
00:47:01
energy to yeah you have to bike a mile to charge your phone 300 something if it only had 100 that would be tough cuz it
00:47:08
would be like I would either save them and then never use them and it would be point or I would use it once and then I
00:47:15
would just keep using it and destroy all hundred of it you'd keep it in like your backpack where you're like if I'm on the
00:47:20
go and I know I need a quick charge I'll use one of my limited czy this is the exact same psychology reason that
00:47:26
companies offer free trials because once you like use something and it's better than the normal thing you're like well I
00:47:32
don't really want to go back how I feel with wireless charging yeah yeah I can't go away from wireless charging that's
00:47:38
exactly what happened to me I I never used to use it and I was like it's way faster to just charge your phone and then now I have wireless charging bads
00:47:44
everywhere and I'm like why would I do that ever again yeah why I ever need a cable in my life this ultimate 4 minutes
00:47:51
is still though like if you can still sit down for yeah I don't know how how about this it goes
00:47:57
from 0 to 26% in 1 minute that's that's amazing that's absurd I'm sure if you plug it in for like 3 seconds it's already at 3% it's it's like you go in slow motion
00:48:10
and it's hovering it's not even in and you see the charging icon come on and it starts like I'm ready yeah it's like the
00:48:17
the low stance mode when you're about to take off on a car that you can ready to go get it ready that's the thing if the
00:48:23
phone's dead it can't like precondition the battery for charging it's just like it just goes I don't know that seems
00:48:29
dangerous whatever okay you want some perspective before we move on yes please Falcon the paragen Falcon the your studio monitors on your desk that are running in singled digit efficiency are
00:48:41
only using about 120 watts each so both of them still not even getting to the same wattage you're talking about the speakers the the Y the Yamaha hs8 yes so
00:48:52
so both of those and then even crazier the 2017 iMac Pro which has a 5k display built-in hot graphics card int Intel power hungry processor that thing is
00:49:05
running at 370 Watts so you can compare at CPU Max yeah at CPU Max so you can compare this little tiny phone to an all-in-one professional jeez computer
00:49:18
dang when are we going to charge phones in kilowatts we're only we're only a couple couple years away from a kilowatt
00:49:24
charging phone and then even less years from Global destroy us all nuking our pockets yeah oh man all right well I have no good transition to this other topic but I do think it's interesting
00:49:34
one yeah procreate okay let's just start with what happened and then our my I'll just
00:49:42
get my reaction so procreate if you've ever heard of procreate we've shown it in various iPad videos before it's an
00:49:47
app on the App Store that is an illustration app so if you're making art pieces if you're editing art pieces it's it's really good with the Apple pen you can sketch things you can adjust things
00:49:58
with different brushes that's what procreate is it's an art app also something that Elon Musk really wants
00:50:04
you to do also true inside joke not even inside that's just a well played thanks
00:50:10
anyway so procreate has existed for a while now on the iPad it has a really dedicated fan base of users and they've
00:50:17
been kind of quiet on a lot of AI stuff but they've got a lot of questions about it so eventually uh a couple days ago
00:50:24
their CEO came out and doesn't do this often but made a video and it's like a 60-second video and all he does is
00:50:31
Express how much he hates generative AI he goes you guys have been asking us about Ai and I just hate generative Ai
00:50:39
and we will not be adding this to any of our products blah blah blah procrea is about empowering our users and
00:50:45
scene and I had so many thoughts to this but mainly there's two reactions one which is most of the first 24 hours is hell yeah way to go this is the way it
00:50:58
should be artists with pencils and no AI tools this Adobe crap we don't love what
00:51:04
the industry is going like we want procreate to stay AI free and I saw a ton of those reactions for the first 24
00:51:10
hours but then 24 hours later I chimed in because on the other hand it is kind of an interesting announcement it's an announcement to never add something to your product which is fine but as uh as
00:51:23
we all know we're in the early days of generative Ai and there's a lot of things that are becoming more useful and lots of companies are for sure way too
00:51:30
far shoving this into their customers faces but what if it is really useful potentially someday what if there are
00:51:36
things that other competitive apps add that people want to see in your app they've committed now to never adding that and I do think that's
00:51:48
fascinating thoughts I I have some thoughts especially as someone who who owns and
00:51:53
uses procreate okay I think um there's be said about procreate is easily like a top five iPad app like like like it's so easy to use and it's one of those things
00:52:06
yeah apple themselves loves to demo it for various new things when the apple pencil has new features they're like try
00:52:12
this out inate but yeah I don't think it's that great for technical art I think it's great for sketching and for workshopping and for putting things down and not sketching like to belittle
00:52:26
anything like people make beautiful things but if you're an architect or a designer and you need to make something
00:52:31
that has specs that you can easily edit and like do procreate and that's the stuff that I see people genuinely needing AI features in um obviously like
00:52:46
every app is like we're adding an AI but the the apps that I really see like actual professionals being like I want
00:52:53
these tools are people that are doing technical things and so I'm not sure procreates core audience needs it I have
00:53:01
a question for you there though yeah is that AI generative AI or is it just Advanced machine learning which we've been doing for like 20 years well I'm talking about generative AI I'm talking
00:53:12
about n natural language processing to results on the page which even if it's editing something that's there it's still generative AI yeah well there are some features like in Photoshop that are
00:53:25
generative in nature meaning if you want to do content aware fill or the equivalent I don't know if they call it
00:53:31
something else now they call it generative fil Genera we just talking about this like there are really good
00:53:36
genuine uses for that all the time I me we see that on our phones but that's just a one there just one feature that will never be impropriate and whether or
00:53:43
not procreate users ever would use something like that I am not as confident in but it seems like the CEO
00:53:50
is very confident that they will never need stuff like that I think it's important that he said and I don't know what he's talking about here because he
00:53:55
didn't explain it you said it was a short video he said he very specifically said generative Ai and I think a an app
00:54:02
that you said I've never used this I've seen Brandon use it and Sy some but it is drawing based and generally
00:54:07
like you're not photo editing or photo manipulating in it so it's m it sounds like he's just not adding AI that would add something into it because you supposed to be the one doing it I
00:54:19
wouldn't be surprised if there are AI features at some point that would just help make some of those things easier
00:54:27
I was just going to say there's an animating feature in it right where you can draw things and help animate it yep but that's not generative that's not
00:54:33
generative but there could be a procreate dreams so procreate dreams is their dedicated animation app but in
00:54:40
procreate there's a pretty in-depth animation editor in it too so like I could see AI things adding into this
00:54:46
that aren't generative that could still help but it's not creating something in a creative he specifically said our
00:54:53
products are built with the idea that humans are creating something so I think the fact that he said we're not adding
00:54:59
generative AI not that we're not adding AI means there's potential for some AI in there just not yeah just not like hey
00:55:06
I'm in sorry i'm interrupting you like 30 times DAV he like where he you're not just going like here I drew one tree now draw everything else for me like that's not going to be added there but I could
00:55:18
see some other things that would be small helpful quality of life AI adjustments yeah maybe like an anyone
00:55:25
watchs LC me fall out of the the chair sorry we need to generate some table I need to generate any uh I think maybe
00:55:30
like if you could natural language process brushes maybe that could be like kind of cool and procreate I feel like
00:55:37
all the AI animation tools that I've used use sort of like the latent space frame interpolation uh like models to to get
00:55:50
stuff I feel like it's just machine learning sure I feel like it doesn't work well branded like I don't know
00:55:56
anyone that does it and in a way that was one of the latest and this is just my I don't use procreate much but they
00:56:02
would they would Apple would go hey check out this new uh this new rotational sensitivity for the apple
00:56:07
pencil and they do that by animating like a swirl on procreate you could see it animate based on how fast you twirled
00:56:12
your pencil so like yeah I that's a that doesn't need generative AI to work so I
00:56:18
assume that's fine yeah so the coral that I see here is like in the calculator the math notes calculator
00:56:25
thing right part of what it does is that it will like make up a numbers that look
00:56:31
like they were made in your handwriting when it shows answers it will also generative that's not generative well the drawing the characters on the page
00:56:38
generative that's not generative I asked them at the event I was like yeah they were like cuz cuz it's creating those
00:56:45
things and it's when you draw your hand you use your handwriting and draw numbers and stuff it's sort of like
00:56:50
curves the stuff so that it's more natural looking and it's not that and they're like yep we're not using any generative AI for this this is has
00:56:57
nothing to do with like apple intelligence it's literally just the same machine learning we've been doing
00:57:02
forever and that's that's the thing that I feel like a lot of people most of these companies are
00:57:09
rebranding a lot of machine learning things as generative AI when they're just not like the other day on Apple TV
00:57:15
it was like recommended shows and then in quotes it said AI Beta And I was like your recommendations engines like I maybe you added some form of Transformer
00:57:27
model to your recommendation engine but like they're just slapping it on there for the for the AI the money just to
00:57:34
have it there my other thing is that his stance on this I think is a general moral stance on the fact that to in order to do generative AI stuff that's
00:57:46
actually generative you have to have a data model you have to have a set that is trained on people's work that is 98%
00:57:54
of the time stolen material especially like images and art like this is like they are 100% not consenting to all of
00:58:01
that stuff being used in these right and so I think that he's basically saying like as an art company us stealing art
00:58:10
in order to like make these Futures work just kind of goes against our morals yeah no art company would ever do that
00:58:17
allegedly unless they're Monopoly allegedly hey that was for research purposes research purposes like alleged
00:58:25
research they were nevered to use that in the application oh sorry the intern got a hold of he didn't understand oh my
00:58:31
God our intern accidentally scraped a billion YouTube videos sorry I give you the ability to scrape
00:58:38
Marquez Brown Ley we're not salty yeah no that that's checks out and also that that's true because there was a
00:58:44
statement in that video specifically like he says we don't really like the way the industry is going I I feel like
00:58:51
this video was like very scripted and I feel like that that line basically meant like look at all these other AI apps and
00:58:56
what they have to do to add their generative AI features and that is what is implied in all that use and there's
00:59:02
also just a ton of other apps that are like not quite procreate competitors but you've seen like the replace the sky
00:59:08
like Photo Editor iPad app like there's a thousand of those and they all have to they have to be trained on something and I feel like that's a part of this
00:59:14
equation that a lot of people don't see on the surface but that is probably what he's talking about or Google which is
00:59:20
just like whatever you want man what is a photo I don't know I think they replacing the guy thing is more photo
00:59:26
editing manipulation versus like drawing sketching which procreate is that's why I think this works so perfectly for
00:59:31
procreate cuz you're kind of supposed to start blank canvas and make things and there's also like the pixel studio app
00:59:37
where you're just like you do start blank canvas but you're just like give me a scene on the beach with a purple
00:59:42
sky and it just makes it for you yeah cuz you don't draw at all on the pixel app no right yeah so that's that's
00:59:48
generative and that's just kind of it's the same output as I had to draw the whole thing myself but it's very much
00:59:55
more a different process yeah yeah I don't know so we'll see well I my my take on Twitter was we'll see how long this commitment lasts it seems like a strong commitment because it's the CEO
01:00:07
coming out literally cursing in this video saying I bleeping hate generative AI so it seems like a strong commitment
01:00:13
to me but I'm curious how long the commitment to not add features of a certain genre will last I'm very
01:00:18
fascinated by this one long morals hold up yeah that's my take on it I guess like the industry could change on how
01:00:25
they do or like take if they can find a moral way to have a data set yeah maybe like apple did witho I don't think they'll ever add generative stuff but I think they will add AI things this is
01:00:39
coming from someone who's never even used the damn app I have no say in this I was going to this definitely like like
01:00:45
you said Marquez like this is it's great marketing it one it's great marketing two it's completely disregarding any
01:00:51
future updates that happen with AI so generative AI AI so for example if you're animating something you have to draw it frame by frame you know like a guy jumping you know you you draw every
01:01:03
little movement if you could just draw the first one and the last one and then have it generate the whole MD but they already have that with ma learning yeah
01:01:10
they have that to that yet with generative AI but what if they had a feature in the future that did that like
01:01:17
we don't have that now we have it already as something else but there are those like useful things that procreate
01:01:23
ads in these animation apps add that if they did have one like that that's generative AI I'm sure artists would
01:01:28
flock to it yeah that's the other thing about like artists and which apps they choose to use procreate nailed it with
01:01:35
their core audience and their core users which is oh yeah we don't we we don't want this generative as stuff anyway
01:01:41
that's why everyone loves the announcement and the people around it love the announcement but in the future potential of like do we want to grow or
01:01:48
are we comfortable with our current core how do we want to evolve in the future they could miss out on like people who
01:01:55
might have used procreate but flock to a different app because a certain feature becomes super useful and turns out there's a moral way to do it etc etc
01:02:02
someday in the future that we just don't know yeah so you know maybe it's okay if companies miss out on some things every
01:02:08
once in a while totally fine that's a fair point that's I would like more companies to miss out they've got a core
01:02:14
audience and they're just going to keep doing what's best for that core audience
01:02:19
and that's fine I think Eric Schmidt would disagree with you I don't know who that is uh one of the co-founders of Google not multi oh yeah he gave a talk
01:02:26
at Stanford recently where he was basically like you know what I would do if I was trying to start a company right now I would generative AI copy Tik Tok
01:02:35
exactly 100% he said that out loud yes he would say I copy everything about it I would copy the content I would copy
01:02:41
whatever and you I would put on the App Store and if it wasn't successful in 3 minutes I'd do it again and put another
01:02:46
one up there because if you steal and it doesn't blow up it doesn't matter but if you get successful you can just pay
01:02:53
lawyers to clean up the mess he literally said that a bunch of Stanford students and then it
01:02:59
got reported on by a ton of people and then he like forced Stanford to take down the videoz I was like oh I didn't
01:03:05
really mean that like you said that you said that if that's all true to say it to the Stanford students I'm 100% serious that's like the that's like the the the tech the Silicon Valley
01:03:16
equivalent of like ain't no laws when you're drinking claws like it's just like it's just like it's just like I don't care I don't care about literally this is a former a previous episode move
01:03:28
fast and break terms of service yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it's crazy man cool one more thing before trivia I have it
01:03:35
small in here did you guys see this the circle to search song identification button I did not see that I would love
01:03:40
you to Circle a song so go on Circle to search you bring up the UI you know you hold down the home button and you get the the where you can Circle and you also get the little search bar and
01:03:52
there's one other button I forget what it is now there's also going to a microphone button so if you highlight
01:03:58
something on the screen it'll listen to the audio that's playing on there and can tell you what song is couldn't it
01:04:04
just do that based on like reading your audio output already no this is different what do you mean I don't think Circle it maybe you don't have to Circle it but you're in that UI menu and so
01:04:15
like if you're playing a YouTube video that's not just the song and says the name and title on it which is the
01:04:21
example I saw you but like like if you're using like people are always saying what's the intro track to this
01:04:26
MKBHD video okay you could start the video open circle to search the UI press the microphone and it'll listen to the song and then I'll pull the song Google Now on tap just won't freaking die they
01:04:38
come back it's yeah it's it's the new version it can still uh like hum songs and listen just in general but it also can now listen to your on device uh audio that's I thought that was pretty
01:04:50
sweet I miss Google Now on tap apparently it's coming out on some is it already but I have mic I there was somebody on a
01:05:01
Samsung phone posted they said it's he said it's in the circle to search like yeah option that one right there no no
01:05:09
that's what it looks like oh the music thing oh is that what a note sorry not a microphone a music note I see it's next
01:05:16
to the translate button that's what I'm trying to say this is literally Google now untap yeah this bring it back I like
01:05:22
it me too all right well we do have a little to get to which means we should take a quick break but before we do our
01:05:29
second trivia question [Music] please if you're watching the video just enjoy that close zoom up on Ellis's face
01:05:41
as the lights again did not go off I'm furious sorry bro question how do you fix all right so before Microsoft owned it who bought Skype in 2005 for $2.6
01:06:01
billion Billy with a be some they bought it from Microsoft bought it from somebody else yes wow when did they buy
01:06:09
it 2005 so Microsoft's the one who screwed up you mean when did the first company buy it no no that's it I just want to know who owned it during the pandemic and absolutely fumbled that
01:06:20
ball andless Zoom take over Microsoft but they had teams yeah yeah that that was the horse I chose to ride we saw how that went oh
01:06:35
okay Enterprise baby enter we'll think about that one we'll think about that one we'll be we'll be right back
01:06:43
okay oh my [Laughter] god did you wait until after just to see if it would work yes it did [Music]
01:07:05
all right welcome back I wanted to it's not a game it's a question I realized that there's a way I consume YouTube content that might be kind of weird and I want to see if any of you guys did any of our audience did and if any of you
01:07:17
guys consumed YouTube weirdly while doing that specifically YouTube or like any video I guess we could say we could just say any form of content media content online something
01:07:29
that consume it in a weird way in a weird way okay I'll give you my example and maybe this will make more sense because I think I'm pitching this weird
01:07:35
yeah I found myself a lot of channels that I'm super familiar with since I don't have time to just watch them that much anymore I will just turn my screen off and listen to them in
01:07:47
the car but it could be something that is extremely not there are dis golf channels now I watch who play full rounds of disc golf that I listen to in the car because I've just learned to
01:07:59
know these people so well like there's this channel called banza disc and he plays like kind of the same courses
01:08:05
pretty often and he speaks the same way and I can just I'm like I still want to know what discs he's throwing and how
01:08:11
they threw and what he's thinking about doing that so I'll listen to whole disc vide in the car my hour commute is when I have the most time to like consume content true it makes sense for things
01:08:23
like uh more like small documentary ones there's also a RuneScape Channel I listen to all the
01:08:30
time and they just explain things well enough that I'll just listen to them instead interesting that works with some
01:08:36
channels certain channels ASMR channels huh I I've definitely done I've definitely been I've definitely listened to YouTube videos in the car that I've definitely done what kind um Phil to Franco videos are good
01:08:49
that I've done that I haven't in a while it's like a podcast it's podcast similar enough like there's not a ton of visual
01:08:55
ual I need I'm just getting mostly news John Oliver I do all the time John oliv is good too yeah it's better with video all these things are better with videos but I don't have time to sit down and
01:09:06
watch all of the things I want to consume you know why a baby David you want to go
01:09:13
oh you know how you could get your time back by watching everything at 2x speed oh no pretty much so I don't listen to podcast at 2x speed unless they're really boring and to at 3x speed which I
01:09:28
will tell you I did have to condition my brain to be able to get used to but now I've done it wait there is no real 3x
01:09:34
speed right oh yeah there is wait oh in podcast apps okay pocketcast offers up to 5x what kind of Psy 5x wait yeah what's a podcast you
01:09:46
listen to in 2x I don't want to say 3x said those are boring well I don't want to call them out S no yeah no I don't I
01:09:52
don't want you to call that out the boring one yeah the boring one okay imagine that podcast you listen at 3x
01:09:58
speed when's the last time you listen to it at normal speed uh when I first started listening
01:10:05
to it do you think you could accurately pick their voice out of like a lineup now that you're their normal voice the
01:10:11
pitch is maintained on pocketcasts I feel like H yeah pocketcast also has a a skip silence feature yes so if there's a podcast where there's not a lot of
01:10:24
overlapping voices and there's a lot of dead air in between sentences it will just trim silence so definitely not ours
01:10:30
it would trim the end of all of my sentences if you're listening to like I don't think that that's a a feature you
01:10:35
should use that's terrible I use that one really really there's so much emotion in the silence this is true for
01:10:43
certain types of podcast I listen to a news podcast all right shout out to Isaac
01:10:48
Saul I listen to Tangled the podcast pretty regularly it's a sort of yeah yeah Andrew put me on to it I don't need
01:10:54
the there also not that many drama paes it's mostly news so I can just get rid of the
01:11:00
silence that's fine but if this was like reply all or like a story time type thing you probably want to keep how much
01:11:07
silence is in this podcast just enough to say five minutes every time five minutes out of what that's a lot out of
01:11:12
25 I don't know 20% of Isa newer to he's newer to podcasting he's working on does
01:11:19
it just sound like and then there's this and then there's this and now I'm talking about this and then there's this idea and also the words are the same
01:11:25
speed there's just no pause in between them so it kind of sounds like this where I'm just talking constantly but there's not a whole lot of gap between
01:11:31
the words I come really instantly and it goes right back to that hurts my brain man it's Tik Tok isation well this is
01:11:38
the opposite of the like the Tik Tok meme of a genen z intern editing the like boss's video for work where they only edit in the pauses in between all of their
01:11:50
work well I fully believe that YouTube videos when you watch at 2x speed you will not it doesn't really feel like it's faster it just feel it just it just feels like a video and then you finish
01:12:02
it twice as quick and then you can absorb even more information as someone whose daily effort and energy goes into
01:12:09
making YouTube videos sound good you it still sounds good at 2xp it absolutely does not it doesn't it really doesn't I've tried I think you've gotten used to 2x which is why you feel this way but as
01:12:20
someone who has not every time I try 2x like I when I hold down on YouTube that's when it fast forwards and I think
01:12:26
that's 2x yeah every time I hear you guys speak it just sounds like you're at five that's what it's done to your brain
01:12:33
it took me like 6 hours to do the audio for that pixel intro if someone sped through that oh my God I will admit I have slack default set to 2x the videos
01:12:45
that play on slack so when I watched your when I watched the int 4 second Clips you you know when I watched the intro for Pixel I was like like that
01:12:56
that's kind of weird and then I was like oh so then I set it back to onx and then I watched it so if it's important if
01:13:03
Vibe and the timing was just going to say that because we are the only ones here I think that watch at 2x speed
01:13:08
everything shout out to my homies out there and I do switch back to I watch everything at 2x speed or sport
01:13:15
highlights yeah 2x speed everything how anxious are you guys how what really anxious dude it's very anxious so I have
01:13:22
anxiety issues out but if it's an important thing like you're saying I will just like I'm always mindful of it
01:13:28
so I just go back and switch it to 1x and or like if I'm listening to a podcast that I know they're doing like
01:13:33
sound design I go to 1x I'm imag you read books like are you just reading a book like tearing your hair out like I read really slowly but audiobooks too xped
01:13:44
baby that's crazy that's a big difference I'm imagining for getting to turn it off and just like looking up a like minor home repair on my phone and then just being anxious everything going
01:13:55
to like explode because it's like you know what's funny too is because my YouTube is just default said to 2x I
01:14:01
sometimes watch music videos or like listen to music on YouTube and I'm like I got to switch this back music sucks
01:14:07
these days I am so used why is every song one minute long it's crazy I'm so used to 2x speed now and then friend of the Pod David Pierce I've been listening to like vergecast and he's always so
01:14:18
quick with his like replies and I'm like oh man this guy's like on it and then I switched back to 1 xped and there's so
01:14:23
long of a pause between his ansers something feels like we're all talking faster talking about it right now so
01:14:29
someone listening to this at 2x their speakers would probably expl a lot yeah yeah so Mar has what's a weird way you
01:14:35
watch YouTube well I don't do any of I don't do yeah everything's 1X for me for sure
01:14:43
um wow I don't know I mean I most of my consumption is on mobile devices that's totally normal probably um totally normal I have YouTube premiums so I haven't watched an ad on YouTube in
01:14:56
years that's probably that's technically not usual cuz it's like to 20% uh but yeah no I'm I'm In It For the Love of the Game I watch everything One X speed I I I I watch ads mid roll ads I
01:15:12
watch you watch the mid roll ads yeah it's part of the video that's a joke I don't no I don't I there were some comments there were some comments on the last podcast that were like yeah I
01:15:23
watched the whole midal just so you guys get more and I was like I mean that's dope dude I thank you but love you yeah
01:15:29
that's some wild you got strong mental fortitude to do I appreciate that that attention span you've flexing on us yeah yeah I don't think I have anything crazy I bet Ellis has something I got one
01:15:41
thing okay which is it's kind of similar to you Andrew I watch a lot of stuff with the screen off just taking it in
01:15:47
but nasar of which I am a pretty big fan has um most races that have ever happened on YouTube like yeah they're really cool about it so if you go back to like 80s and 9s NASCAR races back
01:16:05
when it's like still like mostly in the Deep South like a much smaller sport it's one of the most relaxing things to fall asleep to just like three especially because show after like yeah
01:16:17
right but it's just like it's just like it's just like an announcer with like a thick Georgia accent just being like
01:16:23
today's race is going to be do and then what's even great like even better is that they there's no
01:16:29
commercial like it's it's the TV broadcast that's up okay but there's no commercials in the TV broadcast but they
01:16:36
don't cut out the part of the race where the commercials would have been because in theory then you'd be like missing six
01:16:41
or seven laps so it's silent it's not silent it's just the sound of the cars it's just the mics on the thing so you
01:16:47
get like like six or seven minutes of smooth southern accent then like two or three minutes of just ambient cars and birds and then a little more talking and
01:16:58
o man sounds nice it's so nice I like that yeah I might be the only person that falls asleep to naturally aspirated
01:17:05
V8s but no you're not miles definitely yeah you're talking about I just I remembered as you're
01:17:13
saying that I whenever I have a good internet connection I automatically go to the Quality selector and select the
01:17:19
highest possible quality I can without it buffering and then I pause and I wait like 3 or 4 seconds for to get a little
01:17:25
ahead of me and then I hit play I do the same thing do you remember when you used to be able to do that for the whole video like if you wanted it it would
01:17:32
buffer the whole video yeah it doesn't buffer the whole video I miss it yeah yeah YouTube's too smart now about
01:17:39
autoing did you guys when cuz this is a long time ago when they let you like I remember letting the whole video buffer on like the OG YouTube app with the TV did you guys know based on your home
01:17:50
internet connection what chunk of the video had to be in order to make it all the way through oh yeah you get a good sense that is like creme de La Creme I am old yeah yeah kidy says I know about
01:18:04
that progress bar on YouTube Adam do you have one just 2x speed 2x speed I think
01:18:10
one that I've been doing recently also is picture and picture so I've been like having the YouTube video minimize in the
01:18:15
corner while I like do other things yeah it's actually pretty great speaking of that you know what sucks Google messages
01:18:23
had a picture and picture function where if someone texted you a YouTube video you could you could you would click on it and automatically picture and picture in the corner and they just got rid of
01:18:34
it and I'm like why would you get rid of this I'm assuming they're they just don't think people are using it but the
01:18:39
problem with a lot of Android apps and this a little bit of a rant is that when you click a link from Google messages
01:18:46
whether it's like a web link and it opens Chrome or it's a YouTube link and it opens Youtube it'll like it'll bring you to
01:18:54
that environment as if it's a full app right and then you oh you you like go back to your home and then you go to open messages and it's like it just opens Chrome and you have to hit back a
01:19:06
billion times until it finally brings up messages again that's an Android thing right yes it is and it's very
01:19:11
frustrating yeah I have found that annoying it doesn't just open up the separate app it opens up like an instance of the app within messages that
01:19:19
like an inapp browser it's awful yeah it's better than but it's not an inapp browser it's like the full experience
01:19:26
but it just says that it's Google messages but it's not I think it's better it's still better than the iPhone
01:19:31
equivalent where like it's like hey this is better in the native app and then you like hit the open app button and it goes
01:19:37
to the app store either yeah the app store and then it'll be like open this app cuz you already have and then you
01:19:42
hit that and then it opens to the blank screen like and you're just like well this was this was useless every time you get a Reddit link on an iPhone you click
01:19:51
the redit it's like it opens the inapp browser it's like this is better than the app like okay and then it just opens
01:19:56
the app store and then you click open on the Reddit app in the app store and then it just opens Reddit but not to the
01:20:02
Reddit like it's impossible to access a Reddit link it's such a shame that no one makes third party Reddit apps yeah
01:20:09
that would be great apis maybe they should Federate I don't know I also hate and this feels like a really easy thing
01:20:16
to do but the Google search bar widget is its own app other rather than just Chrome oh my God and so like I'll do
01:20:23
full internet browsing sessions that started from a search in that and then like do a couple other things and later
01:20:30
I'll just be like where did all of that go it's why does it not just throw it in a tab in Chrome when it's done I agree
01:20:37
you have to know to do like open like hit the little menu thing and like open in Chrome it's the wor yeah you it's so
01:20:43
frustrating that happens on on iOS too so yeah cuz you have to it'll have an inapp browser in a lot of cases like if you're on the Reddit app or something and you open you hit a link it'll open
01:20:53
in an inapp browser then you have to hit hamburger menu open in browser and then
01:20:58
it opens up to keep things it's frustrating bad don't do that well you know what we should do answer the trivia questions I was
01:21:11
going to say trivia oh look it worked it worked it worked this time we're back you were going to so I could go trivia but you didn't hit it and I just ended up sounding like a
01:21:22
cat in 2009 oh oh thank you Twitter unveiled its verification program it did this because it was sued by a three-time
01:21:35
champion of what sport movies movie sport quid actor quit mathematics are we just naming sciences and arts now instead of dead Google products
01:21:56
I don't know I was thinking um the guy that did the Nikon commercials that used to as Ashton Kutcher cuz remember when Ashton Kutcher and it was it CNN were Racing for the be to be the first
01:22:08
Twitter account to hit a million followers yeah it was like I think it was Ashton K's CNN which is really funny
01:22:14
yeah ancient days of T wow I forgot about that too all right let's do a little reading I wrote basketball really oh I wrote baseball that is
01:22:28
correct wow dang boy I also wrote basketball the I bball I was right I when I saw you writing bball I was like I don't know picture of a basket should
01:22:41
have never drawn the basketball the person in question is longtime manager of the St Louis Cardinals Tony larusa
01:22:49
which if you Google a picture of Tony larusa he is the man who lead looks like he even knows what Twitter is this guy is like the epitome of like old dudes smoking cigarettes at a baseball diamond
01:23:01
he was probably told by his grandkids that he was being impersonated and then he was like I'm going to sue them if I
01:23:08
remember correctly it's not just that someone was on Twitter with the name Tony larusa pretending to be him but
01:23:13
they were also saying really bad things about the team that he was a coach of oh
01:23:20
jeez quick update on the score Marquez with 16 I'm falling behind and Andrew with 19 Jesus Man David with 17 did you
01:23:27
give me my point yeah for anyone that yelled at me last week I I didn't forget to give it to him I forgot to add it to
01:23:33
the video he has the point but it just it didn't update into graphic anyway I need this one bad second question who
01:23:40
own before Microsoft owned it who bought Skype in 2005 for $2.6 billion Billy Billy with the 2005 in 2005 where did Microsoft buy this from that's a lot of money that is a lot of money especially
01:23:54
in 2005 who had billion I got to go with that I don't [Music] know flip him and read what do you guys got I wrote AOL which is yeah probably
01:24:17
not I Yahoo I almost wrote I almost wrote AOL the anyway now sales force no good guesses can you give us a hint that this doesn't count for points I just you know what I'll still let it
01:24:31
count for points screw it here's the hint just whoever says it first no no rewrite it down rewriting it we're reting rewriting it rewriting it okay here's the hint okay you can buy things
01:24:42
on it also they sold it once or they sold 65% of it before Microsoft bought it they they were not the person that sold it directly to Microsoft you buy things
01:24:55
on it teu Shen Shen I feel like my answer makes no sense Skype Andrew I I'm getting good vibes
01:25:10
from you I flip it oh I wrote eBay that's correct let's go I also wrote eBay that is also correct that means eBay owns Skype and PayPal and then they
01:25:22
oh my gosh remember when they own PP so get this get what you write that's crazy
01:25:28
Amazon made PayPal no no Elon made PayPal well not made it but like they made it oh yeah
01:25:36
true that's every conversation that's a good point Elon like made Tesla no he didn't he made like made it you know
01:25:49
true such a good point I'm losing Now by a lot that's okay good job guys you're only down by two from David you're down by four from Andrew that's like that's like
01:26:00
a multi- possession yeah that's a lot that's a lot like the clock is ending you got to start fouling bro I know I
01:26:07
need hack a the next time I'm writing like hold the Whiteboard down as it's answering col step Curry well assuming
01:26:13
there's no free throws uh I'll be losing for a little bit anyway thanks for watching thanks for listening thanks for
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01:26:25
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01:26:31
know if that's old or not because I you know have been using Android now for like 10 days pocket since the last time
01:26:37
I was using Android well I have pocketcast on iPhone but I don't recall seeing ratings so if that is in fact new
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to us on podcast anyway catch you guys next week see you later have fun with your dishes I won't be here oh yeah oh
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it's gonna be the Andrew and David show two weeks straighty two week we're getting I should mention I guess I'll just mention before the chaos ends um
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the World Championships timate frisbe that I told you guys about a couple weeks ago a couple months ago that is coming up in the next two weeks so I
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will be in Australia I be listening to way for not participating it's totally different time zone I couldn't
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participate if I wanted to so no PR uh I'll Just Fall behind in trivia points and uh wish me luck okay good luck on becoming a real world champion thanks that's that's the plan someone's going
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to send you a screenshot of like Andrew and I like the Elon photo of himing experience what have they done
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anyway all right see you guys later bye waveform was produced by Adam alen and Ellis roen we're partnered with VOX media podcast Network and our intro
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outro music was created by V Sil Bingo bad no don't do that social media really made people forget that their inside thoughts should just no no he said that live oh he said it on
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NBC each yeah