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Do you know a good way to tell the
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difference between me?
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>> Between what?
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>> Black bear and a grizzly bear.
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>> If it's alive after 200 cups of coffee.
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>> Yo, what is up people of the internet?
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Welcome back to another episode of the
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Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm
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Marquez.
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>> I'm Andrew.
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>> I'm David. Today feels like a little bit
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of a I'm not going to say throwback
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episode, but like a call back episode
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because we got a whole bunch of stuff
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that might sound like it was from months
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ago, but it's all new for real. For real
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update.
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>> Um, we're going to talk about Samsung
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foldables, Google fixing something that
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should have been fixed 10 years ago,
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GoPro launching some new cameras, uh,
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Samsung price hikes, and a bunch of
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updates from existing previous stories
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that we've seen and talked about in the
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past. And also, I'm going to try to
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explain something that just happened
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last weekend in tech terms. It's in the
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sports world though, so it'll be a
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challenge.
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>> But first, well, so we actually have
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something before. Did we even test this?
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Oh,
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>> which is
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>> if last week you noticed our audio only
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episode had 4 and a half minutes of ads
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before the episode started playing with
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like 10 to 15 second giant pauses in
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between them. That was our fault. Um, if
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you want to know, we only run two 30
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secondond pre-roll ads before the show
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starts. um because we have two ad
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locations for pre-rolls. And last week
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when we were cutting the ads out of the
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episode, accidentally named the full
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clip of all of the ads together after
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one of the sponsors, therefore uploading
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it to the 132nd ad location.
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>> Then giving four plus ads in that spot.
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So that's an oopsie.
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>> I wonder who did that.
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>> Sorry.
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>> I got a few messages from people saying,
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"What the heck is go what did you guys
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do? Why do you have all these ads?
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>> Got one from someone and every time it's
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the first person who says it, I go,
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"Something must have been wrong with
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Spotify." And then the second one comes
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in and I go, I need to investigate.
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>> My favorite comment was someone
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commented on Spotify and said, "Bro is
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giving us time to reflect after."
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>> I was cracking up. That was
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>> So yeah, our badge should be fixed by
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now. Couple companies got some free
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promotion, I guess, just in the midst of
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total confusion. Um,
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>> yeah, happens.
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>> But yeah, we're good.
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>> That's what happens.
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>> And David, you do have a Did they even
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take
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>> I do actually have a couple. I'm just
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going to do one today because we're
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going to save the best for not this
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week.
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>> Um, this one's funny. So, as we know,
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there are many Chinese phone brands,
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right? And some of them eventually bring
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some of their phones to the Western
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world, to global markets, you might say.
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Uh, one of these phones is the Xiaomi
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Leica phone that you just reviewed, I
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believe.
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>> Wait, it's not a phone.
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Um,
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>> you just said it's like a phone, but
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it's not a phone.
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>> So, what is it?
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>> It's like a Leica phone.
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>> Damn.
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>> Anyway, so the Xiaomi like a phone,
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there are two models. There's a Chinese
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model, which I believe is the one
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Marquez reviewed.
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>> Yeah.
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>> There's also a global model. Uh, I was
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hanging out with my friend Michael
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Fischer, uh, friend of the show. He is
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also putting out a video about this that
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should be out by the time the pod goes
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live. And he, I think he said he's going
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to mention this, but I just found this
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so freaking funny when he showed it to
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me. So, you know, clearly when they're
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making the global software, they don't
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generally care as much about the global
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market version of the phone because they
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sell the most of them in China. So, they
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made the weather app, but I guess during
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making the weather app, they forgot to
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change the coding of the feels like to
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be able to reflect Fahrenheit. So on the
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screen of the phone, you'll have the
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weather widget and it says like 82 F,
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but it says feels like 28°.
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>> So So you can change the weather to be
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Celsius or Fahrenheit, but then the
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feels like is unable to be changed.
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>> So here's a couple screenshots. You can
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select the temperature units, select
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Fahrenheit, but the weather widget will
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always show the feels like in Celsius.
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>> They absolutely did not test this.
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>> They did not test this. definitely did
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test it because you know we use freedom
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units and you wouldn't use freedom units
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in honestly most of the world so there's
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very little reason to test this.
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>> Yeah.
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>> And the hotter it gets the more
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>> the bigger discrep
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>> the bigger discrepancy between those.
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>> If it's like really cold then it's like
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very small and the feels like might be
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fairly accurate
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>> and something that's like reasonable
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also.
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>> It'll say like 34 feels like
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>> 24 or whatever. You'd be like oh
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>> windchill that seems about right. It's
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cold.
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>> Yeah, but that's
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>> This week we had a heat wave and it was
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82 Fahrenheit and it says feels like 28.
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>> And if that was cra that's that would be
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that would be crazy. That's like a
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60°ree difference. So
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>> yeah,
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>> Michael said that there are many many
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things in this phone in the global
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version that basically this happened to.
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It's not just the like Celsius
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Fahrenheit thing. There are a bunch of
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things where it's like they clearly did
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not translate this over to the global
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version.
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>> So uh yeah,
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>> this this happens a lot. We review a lot
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of phones like this where you're like,
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"Well, this isn't made for this market,
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but I'm going to test it anyway and
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review it." And you just kind of start
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ignoring those things, even though
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there's a lot of them out the box. You
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try to change as many of them as you
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can.
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>> Yeah,
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>> that's hilarious.
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>> They need to get testers for like global
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markets to actually just find all these
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bugs before they ship them. But
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>> yeah. Yeah.
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>> All right. I have a little segment that
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I wanted to do with you, Marquez,
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because last week
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>> you I saw that you were using the iPhone
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Air again, and I said, "Why are you
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doing that?" He said, "Because it's
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black."
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>> Yep.
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>> Well, it's the only black iPhone they
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make.
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>> I have now acquired an iPhone Air.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Yeah.
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>> But that's not a black phone.
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>> It's baby blue.
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>> Barely.
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>> Barely blue.
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>> Is that Brandon's? It looks
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>> No, it's not Brandon. It's Michael
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Fischers. I stole it from him. Uh, and I
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just wanted to like I just wanted us to
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do a little like recap thing on it
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because you know the review went out
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fairly soon after the embargo and then
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now it's been a while and I've been
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using it for a few days.
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>> So, I just wanted to talk about some
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feelings.
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>> Sure. Well, I can give you my timeline
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and how it's gone. I was I reviewed all
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the phones at the beginning and when I
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was done reviewing all the iPhones, I
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stuck to the 17 Pro as my main iPhone
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for a while
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>> and that's usually how it goes. So, I
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usually have the Pro. I use the cameras
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a lot. That's the whole point of me
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carrying an iPhone is the things that
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the iPhone does well. And so, I just
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been carrying that phone for a bit, but
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it's orange. And I swear to God, that
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started getting on my nerves faster and
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faster.
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>> It was.
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>> And eventually, yeah, I just started
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testing this other phone that we're
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actually I can talk about now. It's the
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Oppo Find X9 Ultra. And the video on it
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is coming later. Uh, but it's got these
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incredible cameras and this incredible
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battery life. So, what better time to
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see if I could use the iPhone with the
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worst cameras and the worst battery
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life?
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>> Yeah.
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>> So, I flipped to the black iPhone Air
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and it's been, I think maybe two weeks
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now since I switched to it.
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>> Couple things have happened. One, uh,
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I've gotten really used to the thin and
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lightness of it. It's not just the
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thinness, it's the lightness that really
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gets you. You put it in your pocket, you
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forget that there's something in your
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pocket. That never happens with other
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phones.
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>> So, that happened quite a few times. The
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other thing is um I just stopped trying
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to use zoom like ultra wide and zoom
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stuff which I I default do on the pro
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iPhone all the time.
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>> Uh it bummed me out but I just stopped
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using zoom obviously because there's no
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ability to zoom out or zoom in with any
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sort of quality.
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>> Uh but I'm using this other incredible
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camera phone with this huge battery and
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these amazing cameras and I'm taking all
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my pictures and videos on that one. So
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it's been fine so far. But we'll see how
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long that lasts. Yeah, my my first few
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days I was going to drop it a thousand
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times because of how thin it is. It's
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almost hard to grip because of how thin
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it is.
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>> Interesting.
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>> Um, it's also hard to get out of my
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pocket. I have to put it in my pocket
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like this so that I can grab the camera
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bar and pull it out.
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>> You know, maybe I'm doing that weirdly,
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but that's what I've
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>> Wait, you don't put your phone in your
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pocket camera face down.
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>> Well, you know, he has to change his
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abbit so he can have a lip to pick.
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>> Well, that's why I'm asking. Did you
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change it specifically for this?
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>> No, I did not. And I just kept putting
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my hand in my pocket and being like,
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"Oh, it's face up."
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>> Oh, so you always have put your phone in
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your pocket
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>> right side up.
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>> Not usually, but for some reason,
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apparently this phone has made me start
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doing that.
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>> It's the weirdest thing ever.
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>> I just never heard that before.
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>> I don't do it on purpose. It's very
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weird. Um, other thing I, you know, I'm
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plugging it in a lot more, but it hasn't
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really been bugging me that I'm plugging
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it in a lot more.
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>> Oh, yeah. The battery is so bad.
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>> It's pretty bad. Like I'm used to a good
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battery and this one
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>> I mean I'm at 80%. I haven't really done
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much of anything. I navigated here in
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the morning and that was the only thing
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I've done on it.
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>> But you probably didn't did you use your
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phone to navigate here?
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>> Yeah.
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>> Oh.
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>> So it's been on ways and on and usually
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I'd get here at like 93 or 94% or
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whatever.
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>> 80.
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>> Yeah. I'm at 74. I've done almost
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nothing with it.
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>> The other day I asked everyone in the
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office that uses an air aka Marquez,
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Brandon, and Rich.
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>> What's your battery?
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>> Yeah. What's your battery? And Marquez
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was like, "Oh, I think I'm at like 70
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something." Rich was like, "I just took
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it off the charger, so I'm pretty much
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topped off." And Brandon's just staring
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at me from across the room. And it's
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like 1:00 p.m. And he's like, "I'm at
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like 38."
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>> Yeah.
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>> Thanks.
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>> Yeah. And that's about how it feels.
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>> I was at the gym the other day um at 1
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at 100 p.m. I was at like 12%.
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>> And so if you're using a multiple apps,
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like I was using a couple of like music
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apps, podcast apps, you know, the
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fitness app, it it can drain pretty
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pretty damn quick.
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>> Yep. Um, I have gotten used to the
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thinness of it now and I'm not like, you
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know, dropping it. The main problems I'm
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finding,
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>> one, when I'm traveling, I use the 4x
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telephoto lens a lot cuz I shoot in like
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howlight or the Moment camera pro and
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not having that sucks.
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>> Yeah. And I know that most people said
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that they didn't want to buy this
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because it didn't have the ultra wide. I
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never really use the ultra wide, so
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that's not really a problem for me. But
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the 4x lens, trash. And then the second
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thing is that I use this very specific
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app called Viewfinder Preview that helps
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me shoot ultrawide um panoramas on my
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film cameras.
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>> Mhm.
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>> And that uses the ultra wide camera. So
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I literally cannot main this if I'm
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going out to like take pictures with my
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3D printed camera.
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>> Yep.
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>> So
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>> yeah.
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>> Yeah. Kind of a problem. I have a
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question for you then.
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>> Yeah.
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>> We all expect the next iPhone air to
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have a second camera lens.
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>> Which one do you hope it is?
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>> Telephoto, but it won't be. You think
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it'll be the ultra wide?
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>> It's definitely the ultra wide. It's
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probably the ultra wide.
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>> I'm pretty sure most people said that
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their main problem was it didn't have an
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ultra wide.
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>> Yeah. Which I don't understand cuz that
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camera sucks anyway. It's always sucked.
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Like it's got it looks terrible.
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>> Remember when Apple always goes, "Oh,
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but yeah, you technically have a 2x lens
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built in with this optical lens." Very
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far. Yeah. 17 lenses in your kit.
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>> Yeah. They love saying that, but it
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really doesn't translate that well.
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Well, we just saw the Huawei fold like
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wide foldable that's going to be
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released, right? and that has three
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lenses on it. So, they can do that in an
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ultra thin body. Like, come on, Apple.
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Come on.
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>> Well, I just want to say a few weeks
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ago, we did a community post on YouTube
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talking about which secondary lens is
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everyone's favorite. 19% of people said
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the selfie, 31% of people said the ultra
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wide, and 50% of people said telephoto.
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>> Oh, the selfie.
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>> Interesting.
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>> All right, Apple, you're listening. This
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is data. You got to use the data to
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build your phone.
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>> Okay. Wait, before we move on, question
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for both of you now that you've been
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using the iPhone Air for a bit. Um,
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yeah.
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>> Is it worth it? Are the trade-offs worth
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it? Cuz the the lightness is awesome.
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The size is awesome.
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>> Brandon loves it. Even though the
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battery life is trash
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>> over the Pro or over the standard one?
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>> Yeah, that's before.
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>> I would not like normally switch from
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the Pro to this phone. It is clearly not
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a better phone.
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>> No.
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>> Uh, it is a bigger screen. It's a
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totally fine phone.
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>> Well, I have a Pro Max, so
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>> Oh, okay. So, I came from the Pro. So,
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it's a bigger screen for me, slightly
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smaller for you. It's just that I've I
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just came from the 17 Pro, so that's why
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I'm noticing all the downfalls of it.
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But if you you're coming from any other
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random older phone and you're thinking
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about buying an Air, you're like, it's
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fine. It's going to be a totally fine
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phone. It's only one camera. Fine. The
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battery life's kind of cheeks. Fine.
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Whatever. You can deal with that. But it
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would be so good with two or three
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cameras and a silicon carbon battery.
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That would be a great phone.
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>> Uh but it doesn't have that yet. So,
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we're waiting for
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>> if two air two.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Can I drop a crazy iPhone camera
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opinion?
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>> Sure. that I discovered this weekend
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that I feel I need to let the world
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know. David, I just sent you two
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pictures via iMessage.
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>> Okay.
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>> That I took on my iPhone. I've
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discovered
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>> I forgot about Blip. I just discovered
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the the the sauce. Okay. It's it's the
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Moment the Moment C. First, David, tell
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me that these
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>> Did you bring this up last week?
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>> No. No. I' I've dialed it in even
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further with a with a crazy take.
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>> Uhhuh.
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>> Moment Pro camera. You lock the ISO at
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640 instead of 800. So, you still get
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the flatness, but it's slightly less
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noisy. You put it in natural processing
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mode, so it's like almost a single
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exposure,
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>> and then you only use the telephoto
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lens.
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>> Wow. And it's it's beautiful. It looks
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amazing. Show Mark has
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>> Is that you playing disc golf?
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>> Yeah, we play golf.
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>> You play disc golf?
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>> I can tell cuz he has the pencil in his
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hat.
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>> He has a hat designed to have a pencil
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in his hat.
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>> I can tell because it's a guy in the
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woods.
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>> That's all you do in the woods? Play
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disc golf.
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>> Looks like the woods.
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>> I'm now telephoto superiority gang.
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>> Yeah, let's go. So, you're hoping for a
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telephoto on the next Air?
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>> I think the telephoto is the only camera
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you need on an iPhone.
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>> Well, that's a crazy take. That is the
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hottest take yet. The only the only
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camera you need?
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>> Yeah.
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>> All of those are with the telephoto. I
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just run really far away to take a
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picture and run back to my friends.
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>> What if you can't move further away?
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>> I was at that really nice restaurant and
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just like scoots back, walks over three
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tables, snaps a picture that
00:13:30
>> Yeah, I literally did that. I mean, you
00:13:32
get the portrait when you when you go to
00:13:34
take a portrait mode photo, you it
00:13:35
automatically on a lot of phones
00:13:36
switches to the to the portrait to the
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telephone.
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>> You have a selfie camera. Just turn it
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around.
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>> Honestly, fair take. Fair take.
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>> It's a technically true statement, but
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it's the worst. The thing is, the
00:13:49
primary camera is always the biggest
00:13:50
sensor that gets the most most light and
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takes the best photos, has the fastest
00:13:54
shutter speed, etc., etc. Telephoto
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cameras are getting better, so you can
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take better telephotos, but they're
00:14:00
never as good as the primary.
00:14:03
>> No. Yeah, it's astronauts and art.
00:14:05
>> I was going to say the most popular
00:14:06
iPhone picture in the world arguably is
00:14:08
with this.
00:14:09
>> I'm not arguing that it's the most
00:14:10
popular picture, but it is definitively
00:14:12
not the highest quality picture.
00:14:13
>> Yeah, that's facts.
00:14:15
>> Yeah, facts. So, you know,
00:14:16
>> that's the Hasselblad X1D.
00:14:18
>> Yeah. When I was in Colorado last week,
00:14:20
I was shooting RAW a lot on the
00:14:23
>> That was your fault. I accidentally
00:14:24
flipped it to myself instead of it.
00:14:26
>> Oh my god. It's actually crazy how good
00:14:29
the main Oh my god.
00:14:33
>> I'm I'm leaving that in the podcast,
00:14:34
too. I'm not deleting it.
00:14:35
>> Good. Uh, it's actually crazy how good
00:14:37
the main sensor is now. If you like
00:14:39
shoot in RAW, they're so flexible. I
00:14:41
don't really feel like I need to carry
00:14:42
around a digital camera anymore. Like
00:14:44
almost at all.
00:14:46
>> That's where I'm at with this. Well, I
00:14:47
can't say too much, but with this OPPO
00:14:49
phone,
00:14:49
>> the whole point of me testing it is to
00:14:51
be like, "All right, it's got these
00:14:52
crazy specs. Can it just be as good as a
00:14:54
regular camera?
00:14:55
>> Yeah.
00:14:56
>> And that's what a lot of people think
00:14:57
about with phones with crazy cameras
00:14:58
like this. Yeah. So, I mean, we talked
00:15:01
like a little bit off the show about how
00:15:03
all of the Chinese manufacturers now, it
00:15:04
used to be like they would make a car
00:15:07
version of their phone. It was like, oh,
00:15:09
this this company had Ferrari, this
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company had um
00:15:14
>> Porsche or whatever.
00:15:15
>> And now they're all doing lens
00:15:17
manufacturers and camera manufacturers.
00:15:19
They're like Zeiss and Leica and
00:15:22
>> Hosablad.
00:15:23
>> Yeah, which is funny cuz I don't think
00:15:25
that most people know who these
00:15:28
companies are.
00:15:28
>> Yeah, agreed. Those companies might just
00:15:30
need the extra money from licensing the
00:15:32
most.
00:15:33
>> They should just go back to anime.
00:15:34
>> Should they do a Canon collab or
00:15:36
something?
00:15:36
>> That'd be kind of crazy with Canon color
00:15:39
science idea.
00:15:40
>> I think that's a good I think it's a
00:15:41
better idea than doing like Zeiss to be
00:15:43
honest. Hm.
00:15:45
>> Like Zeiss would pull the photographer
00:15:47
crowd, but if you want mainstream
00:15:49
people, regular people know what Canon
00:15:51
is.
00:15:52
>> Yeah. It's like it's not like cars where
00:15:53
everyone knows that a Ferrari is good,
00:15:54
but not everybody can like experience a
00:15:56
Ferrari. So, they're like, oh, Ferrari,
00:15:58
it must be a good collab. But with
00:15:59
Zeiss, people don't know that Zeiss is
00:16:02
the Ferrari of lenses. So, they just
00:16:04
kind of go, I don't know what that is.
00:16:05
But if they see if they see a Canon or
00:16:08
Sony sensors,
00:16:10
>> they don't make the sensor. No, that's
00:16:11
Well, that's a thing because everyone
00:16:12
uses the Sony sensors. They're not
00:16:14
allowed to.
00:16:15
>> Yeah. But you know what's funny?
00:16:16
>> Sony made phones and they still stamp
00:16:19
Zeiss on the back of their phones. So
00:16:21
like I don't know. They make the sensors
00:16:23
for everyone, but they still need that
00:16:24
that clout, that name. It's weird.
00:16:27
>> Anyway. Anyway, um yeah, I think I'm
00:16:30
probably going to go back to the Pro at
00:16:31
some point. The main problem is that the
00:16:33
Pro feels like 4x bigger than it did
00:16:35
before. Now thicker.
00:16:36
>> Yeah,
00:16:37
>> it feels so thick now. And I'm like,
00:16:39
damn. I was using the S25 Edge for a bit
00:16:41
and then I switched to the S26 Ultra and
00:16:43
this thing feels massive. I miss the
00:16:45
edge.
00:16:45
>> Yeah,
00:16:46
>> the Ultra even is thinner than previous
00:16:48
Ultras. So, I'd pick up that Ultra and
00:16:50
think it's thin, but when you come from
00:16:51
a thinner phone, it just it changes your
00:16:53
>> ruins it for you. I never should have
00:16:54
tried in the first place.
00:16:56
>> Yeah.
00:16:56
>> Uh, speaking of Samsung, since Adam just
00:16:59
said Samsung,
00:17:00
>> true,
00:17:01
>> we now have an alleged date for the
00:17:04
Galaxy ZFold 8 wide event. Uh, if you
00:17:08
don't know what the wide is, it's
00:17:09
basically Samsung trying to get to the
00:17:11
wide boy before Apple does. So,
00:17:13
>> remember how that happened with the thin
00:17:15
phone? This is exactly what happened
00:17:16
with the S25 Edge. There were rumors for
00:17:18
an entire year and a half of an upcoming
00:17:20
iPhone air.
00:17:22
>> And so, months earlier, Samsung went,
00:17:24
"Hey, check it out. We made an ultra
00:17:25
thin phone first. We were first. We did
00:17:28
it first." And they actually didn't ship
00:17:29
it for a little while after that. But,
00:17:30
they did announce it first and they did
00:17:32
ship it first. And now that there's
00:17:33
rumors of this wide folding iPhone,
00:17:36
guess what? Samsung's about to do the
00:17:39
exact same thing. Actually, there's a
00:17:40
couple other
00:17:42
>> We actually used to have a bunch of
00:17:43
these. We had like OPPO.
00:17:44
>> This also just
00:17:45
>> the Pixel Fold the original.
00:17:46
>> Yeah, I was going to say this is like
00:17:47
peak Google of like we had the thing
00:17:50
everyone liked and then we're like no,
00:17:51
no, no. Go change what everyone else
00:17:53
Okay, cool. We're on the same page
00:17:54
>> and then everyone loves what they had.
00:17:56
>> Yeah.
00:17:56
>> Too ahead of their time. Google's always
00:17:58
ahead of their time. Glasses. Anyway, so
00:18:00
according to a South Korean publication,
00:18:02
the next Galaxy Unpacked will be July
00:18:04
22nd in London where they will unveil
00:18:06
the Z full 8 wide. And hopefully it does
00:18:10
not get cancelled within 3 months like
00:18:12
the uh you know the ultra long one, the
00:18:14
trifold did.
00:18:15
>> Did you see though that weirdly
00:18:16
apparently you can you can buy trifolds
00:18:20
in the US for a limited time till like
00:18:22
wipes out stock? They're like
00:18:23
reintroducing a bunch of ones that
00:18:25
weren't for sale yet.
00:18:26
>> Oh wow.
00:18:27
>> I think it like comes out the day this
00:18:28
episode airs. you can buy some or
00:18:30
something. I don't know. I saw a Verge
00:18:31
article like if you really want the
00:18:33
trifold, here's like the last of the
00:18:35
stock that's coming to the US.
00:18:36
>> They're just re-releasing the stock.
00:18:38
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:18:38
>> Which is funny that they canceled it and
00:18:40
then you could buy it again.
00:18:41
>> Yeah.
00:18:42
>> This event will also probably release
00:18:44
the standard Fold 8, which will, you
00:18:46
know, probably be the super thin one
00:18:48
just like we saw with the Hold 7. Um,
00:18:50
and then we've also been hearing rumors
00:18:51
of an S27 Pro.
00:18:53
>> This is hilarious. that is supposed to
00:18:55
sit between the standard S27 and the S27
00:18:57
Ultra, which is probably coming later.
00:18:59
>> Is that not just the Plus,
00:19:01
>> but they'veated? So, the Plus they've
00:19:05
like kind of downtuned a little and the
00:19:08
Ultra has I think it's a higher
00:19:10
resolution display. It's a little bigger
00:19:11
bigger battery or no, it might be the
00:19:14
same battery. Uh extra camera for the
00:19:16
Ultra and just a couple other smaller
00:19:18
things. So the S Pen, which kind of made
00:19:21
its way into the Ultra when they killed
00:19:23
the Note, is not necessarily used by
00:19:25
everyone who wants an Ultra. So maybe if
00:19:27
you could spend a little less on getting
00:19:29
all the same stuff but not the pen, it
00:19:31
would make sense. And this is classic
00:19:32
Samsung, which is like we're going to
00:19:34
offer every phone that possibly could.
00:19:36
>> So it's funny. The first thing I thought
00:19:38
of when I saw this is this is the
00:19:39
Cadillac Vistique of smartphones.
00:19:42
>> We all agree.
00:19:44
>> You know why?
00:19:44
>> I could have said it better myself.
00:19:46
Because Cadillac made the Lyric, which
00:19:48
is like the S25 and S25 Plus. They also
00:19:50
made the Escalade, which is the Escalade
00:19:52
IQ is this enormous 200 kWh battery,
00:19:56
9,000lb truck. But they also made the
00:19:59
Vistique, which is the same size as the
00:20:01
Escalade, but only a regulariz battery.
00:20:04
So, you still get the three row SUV, but
00:20:06
you don't have to carry around 3,000
00:20:07
extra pounds of battery and spend the
00:20:09
extra however many thousands it costs.
00:20:11
So, you still get That's exactly what
00:20:13
this is.
00:20:13
>> Why didn't they call it a different
00:20:15
trim? Because the Escalade is the big
00:20:17
boy
00:20:18
>> and has a massive battery and it's all
00:20:20
about the massive, you know, range and
00:20:22
all that fun stuff.
00:20:23
>> The floor for that car needs to be high.
00:20:25
>> Yes.
00:20:26
>> Okay.
00:20:26
>> But like what if you don't need that
00:20:28
extra range and all that extra weight
00:20:29
and don't want to spend the extra 30
00:20:31
grand.
00:20:31
>> You make a new model.
00:20:32
>> That's where the Vistique is. That's
00:20:33
exactly what this phone is. S27 Pro.
00:20:35
It's going to be the same size as the
00:20:37
Ultra. I just don't need to carry around
00:20:38
that extra S Pen and spend the extra
00:20:40
money on it. It's such a good analogy.
00:20:42
You guys aren't expecting this. Great
00:20:45
analogy in this moment.
00:20:46
>> Confused by the Pro in this lineup.
00:20:48
>> Oh, just it's just Samsung has a phone
00:20:49
at every price and every possible buyer.
00:20:51
So,
00:20:52
>> will it have a bigger battery?
00:20:53
>> I wish, but probably not.
00:20:54
>> So, they're going to get rid of the S
00:20:56
Pen and not give you a bigger battery.
00:20:57
>> Yeah, they're going to make it cheaper.
00:20:58
>> It's so funny. Samsung hasn't done
00:21:00
anything cool with their lineup in the
00:21:02
last like 3 years, and they're like, "We
00:21:03
got them this year. Let's put one kind
00:21:05
of in between the kind of higher
00:21:08
mid-range and the really flagship.
00:21:10
That'll get everyone."
00:21:11
>> Will it have privacy display? Probably
00:21:13
not. That's probably an ultra only
00:21:14
feature.
00:21:15
>> I can see that.
00:21:16
>> So then what is this phone
00:21:17
>> cheaper?
00:21:18
>> It's an ultra but cheaper,
00:21:20
>> which they kind of need to do because
00:21:22
ultra's $1,250
00:21:24
or something.
00:21:24
>> Now it's more Wait, no. Is it? Wait. Oh,
00:21:27
I think the higher
00:21:28
>> Doesn't it start at $1,200?
00:21:30
>> Yeah, something like that.
00:21:31
>> Yeah.
00:21:31
>> Yeah, it's expensive.
00:21:33
>> Was it going to be $1,100?
00:21:34
>> $1,100?
00:21:35
>> I guess. I guess
00:21:36
>> that's all it is. It's just a cheaper
00:21:38
version.
00:21:38
>> That's crazy.
00:21:39
>> Yeah. Well, you know, speaking of that,
00:21:41
Samsung has quietly raised their prices
00:21:44
across almost all of the mobile devices
00:21:47
that they sell.
00:21:47
>> Oh, yeah.
00:21:48
>> Which is kind of crazy. Um, Samsung CEO,
00:21:51
co-CEO TM Row, uh, did say that no
00:21:55
company would be immune to the global
00:21:56
memory shortage quite a while ago and it
00:21:58
would be inevitable that Samsung would
00:22:00
likely have to raise their prices. And
00:22:01
now we're seeing the result of that.
00:22:03
>> What? Samsung makes the memory.
00:22:05
>> Yeah. I mean, yeah, but Samsung has a
00:22:08
different Samsung wants to make it money
00:22:10
also.
00:22:11
>> It's like it's like Samsung Fab is
00:22:14
different than like Samsung the the
00:22:16
mobile display.
00:22:18
>> I don't know.
00:22:18
>> Like they don't talk
00:22:19
>> fairly different. They probably
00:22:20
>> This has happened before with like LG
00:22:22
and LG Display where I was like
00:22:24
>> those are those are actually two
00:22:25
separate
00:22:25
>> unrelated
00:22:26
>> it's the same it's the same effect and
00:22:28
they they negotiate and contract with
00:22:30
each other and are suppliers of each
00:22:31
other and have relationships with each
00:22:33
other
00:22:33
>> really like the Samsung phones and the S
00:22:35
like there's no shared ownership like
00:22:37
they're two in cuz LG and LG displays
00:22:39
are literally two separate companies no
00:22:41
relation.
00:22:42
>> Yep. Com
00:22:44
>> Yeah.
00:22:46
>> Yeah. It's unfortunate because you'd
00:22:48
think that they would talk and you'd
00:22:49
think that they would simply make the
00:22:51
cheaper memory for themselves.
00:22:53
>> You think that many of these companies
00:22:54
would talk.
00:22:55
>> Yeah,
00:22:55
>> they you'd think that, but they don't.
00:22:57
>> Even if they're not um in the same exact
00:22:59
way that LG Display and LG aren't, they
00:23:01
are effectively separate. A lot of this
00:23:03
happens with Google. I'll talk to Google
00:23:04
and people in different buildings at
00:23:06
Google and different departments
00:23:07
effectively never communicate with each
00:23:09
other in weird ways. And I wouldn't be
00:23:10
shocked if this is the exact
00:23:11
>> which is why like random apps get
00:23:13
updated to support different things and
00:23:15
then they just don't have very obvious
00:23:17
things with each other. It's it's
00:23:18
stupid. Yeah.
00:23:19
>> Well, regardless, um Samsung has jacked
00:23:21
up the price of almost a dozen Galaxy
00:23:22
phones and tablets uh to up to $280 from
00:23:27
as little as $40 to as high as $280.
00:23:31
The ZFold 7 last week already had its
00:23:33
price increased by about $80 across
00:23:35
models. uh which makes the one terabyte
00:23:38
model $2,500 and the 512 gigabyte model
00:23:41
$2,200. Uh but now they're raising the
00:23:44
price of pretty much all the models
00:23:46
except for the standard S26 series and
00:23:48
the Ultra. Uh which it seems like so far
00:23:52
>> I think that they're doing that because
00:23:53
they're trying, you know, that's their
00:23:54
their most sold phones in the US besides
00:23:56
like the A series are the S20, you know,
00:24:00
S26 Ultra and the main S26 series. And
00:24:02
also they have those they have all the
00:24:03
carrier partners with, you know, Verizon
00:24:05
and AT&T and whatnot. I think they're
00:24:07
trying to pad the margin on everything
00:24:10
else. So most of their tablets went up
00:24:12
in price.
00:24:12
>> Dude, the S11 Ultra 1 TB is the $280
00:24:17
jump.
00:24:17
>> That's crazy.
00:24:18
>> That's three. It went from 1619 to
00:24:21
$18.99
00:24:22
>> for S26.
00:24:23
>> No, the S11 Ultra tablet. Yeah, it's
00:24:26
>> 1 TB version.
00:24:27
>> Went from what to what?
00:24:28
>> 16819 to 1899. 280 bucks. It honestly
00:24:31
seems like the things they sell the
00:24:33
least amount of they raise the prices on
00:24:35
the most. So, I think they're just
00:24:37
trying to figure out how to pad the
00:24:39
margin on on the perimeter. Yeah,
00:24:41
>> it's going to be interesting to see if
00:24:42
all the other phone companies start
00:24:44
jacking their prices up this year. We
00:24:45
haven't really seen that yet. This is
00:24:46
kind of the first.
00:24:47
>> I heard the memory crisis was almost
00:24:51
over.
00:24:52
>> Yeah, I mean, there was a thing with
00:24:54
like OpenAI didn't actually purchase all
00:24:56
the memory and it started to go down a
00:24:58
little bit, but apparently it's still a
00:24:59
major problem. It's definitely still a
00:25:01
problem, but maybe with a maybe with a
00:25:04
light at the end of the tunnel.
00:25:05
>> Sure, the variability of it is a major
00:25:07
problem. Maybe there's a light at the
00:25:09
end of the tunnel now, but who knows
00:25:10
who's going to screw something up any
00:25:12
day now.
00:25:12
>> Yeah.
00:25:13
>> By the time between us recording and
00:25:15
this coming out,
00:25:15
>> it could change dramatically what could
00:25:17
happen.
00:25:18
>> True.
00:25:18
>> Uh, speaking of companies not really
00:25:20
talking to to themselves, uh, Andrew, do
00:25:22
you want to take us through this Google
00:25:24
back button hijacking? I am very
00:25:26
passionate about this article because
00:25:29
it's something that this feels like
00:25:31
Google made their own version of did
00:25:33
they even test this and then realized it
00:25:35
and then were like we should fix this.
00:25:36
So do you know what I've never heard the
00:25:39
term before but back button hijacking is
00:25:41
>> I think I understand it now.
00:25:42
>> Yes. I think everyone's dealt with it
00:25:45
whether it's like clicked in your head
00:25:46
of what's going on, but essentially
00:25:48
>> I had never heard of this before you
00:25:49
explained it to me,
00:25:50
>> but then I explained it and you can like
00:25:52
remember a time it's happened.
00:25:53
Everyone's experienced it. Exactly. It's
00:25:55
like when you go to usually more sketchy
00:25:57
websites, the
00:25:59
>> if you click in from like a Google
00:26:01
search result, you realize that's not
00:26:02
the page you want to be on and you click
00:26:03
back and you wind up at the page you
00:26:05
were at already. And you click back
00:26:06
again and you're still at the same page.
00:26:07
You click back again, you're still at
00:26:08
the same page. If you wind up holding
00:26:11
that back button, you'll see this big
00:26:13
because that's like when you show your
00:26:14
whole history of back. You'll notice
00:26:17
there are like four or five pages
00:26:19
between you and the search result you
00:26:21
came from. And that's back button
00:26:22
hijacking. There's a bunch of different
00:26:23
ways to do it. It's
00:26:26
>> a tool that was made for like actually
00:26:28
really specific things. I think someone
00:26:30
described like if you're in Gmail and
00:26:32
you're inside of a email and you want to
00:26:35
click back, it should take you still to
00:26:37
the Gmail URL but in your inbox instead.
00:26:39
That's what it's meant to do. But people
00:26:41
can do that to
00:26:42
>> bring it to a super fast loading
00:26:43
redirect direct link. So if you're on
00:26:46
all recipes and you go back, it's going
00:26:48
to just whip you to all recipes again.
00:26:49
Um
00:26:50
>> so annoying. you have to just like mash
00:26:51
the back button like seven times
00:26:53
>> or hold it down and come up to I mean I
00:26:55
think most people just close the tab and
00:26:57
start Google searching again because
00:26:58
that's the easiest way of doing it and
00:27:00
it is infuriating.
00:27:02
>> So finally Google is now going to
00:27:06
consider this a malicious practice and
00:27:08
if it finds your website is partaking in
00:27:09
those practices you could be listed as
00:27:11
spam which will impact your performance
00:27:13
in search results. Um, the funniest part
00:27:16
of the whole release of this is they
00:27:18
said they've noticed a rise in this
00:27:20
behavior. This has been going on for
00:27:23
like 10 years. There's no there's no way
00:27:27
now there's a rise in this behavior.
00:27:28
Probably because less people are going
00:27:30
to websites because it's all getting
00:27:31
scraped from Google. Honestly, probably
00:27:33
Gemini started getting pissed when I was
00:27:34
trying to back after scraping all the it
00:27:37
kept scraping the same thing over and
00:27:38
over again. But like, I'm not going to
00:27:41
be mad. Late is better than never, but
00:27:44
>> this should have been fixed a really,
00:27:45
really long time ago. But thank you for
00:27:46
finally fixing it.
00:27:47
>> I guess they're doing some spring
00:27:48
cleaning, you know.
00:27:49
>> Yeah.
00:27:50
>> Somebody in like the 70th Google on the
00:27:52
corner logged in one day and was like, I
00:27:54
could fix this.
00:27:55
>> Oh yeah, he found like that post-it note
00:27:56
that's buried on his desk that's like
00:27:58
fix back button hijacking. When did I
00:28:00
write?
00:28:00
>> 12 years ago.
00:28:02
>> 12 years ago.
00:28:02
>> Yeah. Yeah.
00:28:03
>> That's it. But thank you.
00:28:04
>> Speaking of something that has gotten an
00:28:07
update that I would hoped got updated a
00:28:10
long time ago. Yes. Yeah.
00:28:12
>> Yes.
00:28:12
>> Nailed it.
00:28:13
>> Uh, new GoPros. This is like a blast
00:28:16
from You guys remember GoPro?
00:28:18
>> Yeah.
00:28:18
>> Yeah.
00:28:18
>> Yeah. They're still around. They helped
00:28:20
you GoPro.
00:28:22
>> They Well, cuz they've been their lunch
00:28:23
has been eaten by Insta 360 and DJI in
00:28:26
the past couple years.
00:28:26
>> Yeah.
00:28:27
>> But they're still around making action
00:28:28
cameras, making 360 cameras, and they
00:28:31
came out with this new camera called the
00:28:33
Mission One. It's kind of interesting.
00:28:36
We love these tiny action cameras for
00:28:39
being in the corner of a car or being in
00:28:42
like the the mounted on the outside of a
00:28:44
car or like a small space where it's
00:28:46
kind of a crash cam. If it falls off,
00:28:47
it's fine, but it's just sort of an
00:28:49
extra angle that you can get because
00:28:50
this camera is so small and versatile,
00:28:52
but the quality is not that great.
00:28:56
Typically, it's good enough, but it's
00:28:57
not amazing. So, the Mission One is a
00:29:00
new camera that is a larger 1- in
00:29:02
sensor, and the entire thing is built
00:29:03
around being a cinema grade, like proper
00:29:06
camera. Now, all of this is dependent on
00:29:09
the footage actually looking good. But,
00:29:11
this is everything I ever wanted from a
00:29:13
GoPro. It frees them up to keep making
00:29:15
the Hero like an action cam, a crash
00:29:17
cam, but now with this larger sensor,
00:29:19
they've made like an interchangeable
00:29:20
lens mount version. They've made a bunch
00:29:23
of accessories where you can, you know,
00:29:25
plug in u extra memory. You can plug in
00:29:29
microphones. You can pair all sorts of
00:29:30
things to the GoPro. It makes it a much
00:29:33
more I don't want to say RX100, but like
00:29:35
a cinema version of an RX100.
00:29:37
>> It's rigable. Like you can rig it up to
00:29:40
cage. They showed me a bunch of
00:29:41
accessories for it. A cage for it, a
00:29:43
bunch of uh underwater shooting
00:29:45
accessories. Uh it'll shoot 8K uh open
00:29:49
gate. So four the whole sensor. It's
00:29:51
it's a really convincing set of specs.
00:29:54
So, I would like to use it and verify
00:29:56
that the footage actually looks better,
00:29:57
but they showed me some footage that
00:29:59
they essentially they've rigged this
00:30:01
thing up like with huge lenses and a
00:30:03
cage and mics and everything and shot
00:30:05
like really good-looking stuff with it.
00:30:06
So,
00:30:07
>> I'm I'm curious my attention. The one
00:30:09
that most people are interested in is
00:30:11
the ILS, which is interchangeable lens
00:30:13
system version. It takes micro four
00:30:14
thirds lenses. Um, which is very
00:30:17
interesting. Now, obviously Micro Four
00:30:19
Thirds lenses are the small pretty much
00:30:21
the smallest lenses that you can get,
00:30:23
you know, and uh so they are, you know,
00:30:25
still small, but on a GoPro, they they
00:30:28
still look huge.
00:30:29
>> Yeah.
00:30:30
>> So, but then Yeah, it's weird. I don't
00:30:32
know when I would want to rig up my my
00:30:34
example of when this could be awesome is
00:30:36
we shoot inside a car and the car
00:30:38
windshield has like a super low rake, so
00:30:40
you can't fit like a Komodo or something
00:30:41
in there. You could fit a little GoPro
00:30:44
with like a 70 mil or a 50 mil lens on
00:30:47
it. That could be great.
00:30:49
>> I guess so.
00:30:50
>> Maybe.
00:30:50
>> It's interest. But the the weird thing
00:30:52
about it is that the lens mount for
00:30:54
Micro Four Thirds that they have doesn't
00:30:56
have any contacts. So, it can't do
00:30:58
autofocus.
00:30:58
>> Yes.
00:30:59
>> Which is Oh,
00:31:00
>> very weird. You have to have all the
00:31:02
cameras that just focusing at infinity
00:31:03
or focusing at a very specific distance.
00:31:06
>> Yeah.
00:31:07
>> Which is that kind of sucks.
00:31:08
>> That's true of the Komodo. I mean, the
00:31:10
Kimoto has autofocus, but we always just
00:31:11
manual focus.
00:31:12
>> Yeah. But at least you're like carrying
00:31:13
that camera and you can just like rack
00:31:15
focus. But if you if this is mounted in
00:31:17
a car or on the side of a car,
00:31:19
>> yeah, in the corner, you have to like
00:31:20
set the focus very specifically and then
00:31:22
what happens if it like changes? And
00:31:24
>> I don't know. It's strange.
00:31:25
>> Is there is there focus peaking? Are
00:31:27
there like assists in the camera?
00:31:29
>> Probably. Most likely. And they'll they
00:31:31
have like a lot of very capable software
00:31:33
things already built in. So, I wouldn't
00:31:35
be shocked if they added more over time,
00:31:36
but like I think it shoots 8K 60 or 4K
00:31:40
240.
00:31:41
>> Yeah. uh which there's not a lot of
00:31:43
other cameras that do that period.
00:31:45
>> I'm I'm kind of interested because as
00:31:46
someone who really likes shooting uh
00:31:49
vintage like 16 mm and 8 millime film
00:31:52
lenses um like a the micro four third
00:31:56
standard is like really easy to adapt
00:31:58
vintage glass to.
00:32:00
>> And if the GoPro has a 1 in sensor,
00:32:02
>> yeah,
00:32:03
>> this might actually be like the best
00:32:05
vintage glass rig
00:32:07
>> possible. could be interesting,
00:32:09
>> especially if there are focus assists
00:32:10
because it's really hard to find
00:32:12
>> Yeah.
00:32:12
>> affordable micro four thirds cameras
00:32:14
that have focus assists in them.
00:32:17
>> Yeah. Yeah. Pretty different. I I think
00:32:19
I saw something that said like this is
00:32:20
the first time in 22 years that they
00:32:21
have released a GoPro that is not under
00:32:23
the Hero line.
00:32:24
>> Yeah.
00:32:25
>> Which is crazy. So, it's a big jump for
00:32:26
them. They needed it cuz they were like
00:32:28
on the verge of bankruptcy. So,
00:32:30
hopefully this is successful for them.
00:32:32
They're also releasing a new wireless
00:32:34
lav mic set that looks almost identical
00:32:38
to the DJI ones.
00:32:39
>> I think it's a necessity they have to do
00:32:41
that. Yeah.
00:32:42
>> Like that is the best part about the
00:32:44
action cam is that you can just plug
00:32:45
those DJI mics in. Like this turns into
00:32:48
a camera that you could buy starting out
00:32:51
trying to make some sort of a YouTube
00:32:52
channel or content.
00:32:53
>> This could be an awesome vlog camera.
00:32:55
All this is the asterisk of like does
00:32:57
the footage actually look good? But this
00:32:58
could be a great vlog camera.
00:32:59
>> Yeah, maybe.
00:33:00
>> Yeah. Yeah. The sad part about these
00:33:01
mics is that they do not do 32-bit float
00:33:03
like the DJI ones do.
00:33:05
>> So, got it.
00:33:06
>> There's so many so many asterisks
00:33:08
necessary there.
00:33:10
>> Yeah.
00:33:10
>> I forget the exact thing, but it's just
00:33:12
like all of those wireless mics are like
00:33:13
we do 32-bit float if you stand on one
00:33:16
leg and put your hand over your head and
00:33:18
use them in exactly this workflow.
00:33:21
>> Full moon.
00:33:22
>> Yeah, it is like
00:33:23
>> Got it.
00:33:23
>> Yeah, it's it's nonsense.
00:33:25
>> Okay. Well, yeah, that should be
00:33:27
interesting. Did you already got them
00:33:28
in, right? I saw you took a photo of
00:33:30
They brought them here. They showed them
00:33:31
to us. Uh, I got to handle them for an
00:33:33
hour and then they left and they were
00:33:35
like, "Trust me, we'll send you one."
00:33:36
So, I'm like, "Yes, please let me try
00:33:38
them. I want to shoot 8K 60 log 30 fps
00:33:41
open gate in my in a handheld camera.
00:33:44
Like, that just sounds awesome."
00:33:45
>> Yeah.
00:33:46
>> So, hopefully soon.
00:33:48
>> I can't wait for the autofocus video
00:33:49
with you using these.
00:33:50
>> Yeah, I can shoot an autofocus video
00:33:51
with it.
00:33:52
>> I can't wait till Ellis is walking
00:33:53
around Brooklyn with his vintage glass
00:33:55
on the newest GoPro taking photos. get
00:33:59
one in. I'll order a a a micro four
00:34:02
thirds to CMount adapter and I'll 3D
00:34:05
print something goofy and uh I will I
00:34:08
will make the the vintage GoPro camera.
00:34:10
>> It seems perfect for that. They showed
00:34:11
me uh
00:34:12
>> shutter accessory.
00:34:14
>> Is that
00:34:15
>> Oh, no. They showed me they had adapted
00:34:16
to PL mount
00:34:18
>> and they put a massive cinema lens on it
00:34:21
for some reason.
00:34:22
>> It's like a 30x crop factor. What do you
00:34:24
mean for some reason? That's awesome.
00:34:25
It's so tiny. If you're going to rig
00:34:27
that much up, you might as well throw
00:34:29
like a komoto in.
00:34:30
>> 28 meter is going to be like a 120
00:34:32
equivalent on that thing price.
00:34:35
>> No, we don't. Um I can do my best
00:34:38
guessing job. I think it'll be under
00:34:40
a,000. I think it'll be over the current
00:34:43
GoPro post tariff pricing is like $400
00:34:46
something dollars, right?
00:34:47
>> This might be the greatest vintage glass
00:34:49
camera, dude. If straight up if there's
00:34:52
like focus peaking and magnification in
00:34:54
it for like
00:34:56
>> Oh my god.
00:34:58
>> Yeah.
00:34:59
>> So you don't era has has peaked.
00:35:02
>> If you want to do this with an actual
00:35:04
micro four thirds camera like you don't
00:35:05
get those features until you're spending
00:35:07
like $900 on a used camera which is like
00:35:10
>> kind of defeats the point. Anyway,
00:35:11
sorry.
00:35:12
>> Uh another quick story. Google randomly
00:35:15
released this new spotlight for Windows
00:35:17
application, which is actually quite
00:35:20
cool. Uh, it's a little floating window
00:35:22
that pops up when you use a keyboard
00:35:24
shortcut,
00:35:24
>> right?
00:35:25
>> And and you can ask it for a context
00:35:28
about your screen. It can do screen
00:35:29
recordings. You can use Google Lens to
00:35:32
sort of drag your cursor over something
00:35:34
and it'll Google it for you.
00:35:35
>> It can access files on your computer and
00:35:38
it can access files on your Google Drive
00:35:40
all at once. M.
00:35:41
>> So, it's kind of like this cool hybrid
00:35:44
like on device and also in cloud little
00:35:47
popup box that you could just call at
00:35:49
any time.
00:35:50
>> Dare I say this is just a
00:35:53
>> this is just a better version of Copilot
00:35:55
is like what I was thinking.
00:35:56
>> Yeah, I was going to say this is kind of
00:35:57
fire. This is I don't have Chromebook,
00:35:59
but I want most of the nice parts of
00:36:01
>> I mean more people use like Google Drive
00:36:03
than use One Drive. Exactly.
00:36:05
>> And it's only works on Windows. So
00:36:07
>> this is like Google co-work
00:36:09
>> kind of
00:36:09
>> like flawed coowork but Googleified.
00:36:11
>> Well, it can't really do things for you
00:36:12
but
00:36:13
>> Well, you said it could like reach into
00:36:14
drive and local.
00:36:16
>> Yeah, it can search.
00:36:17
>> Oh, it can only search. So, you can't
00:36:18
like copy it from one place to another
00:36:19
or like manipulate.
00:36:21
>> I think you can tell it to like rename a
00:36:23
bunch of files in your downloads folder.
00:36:24
That's like the classic work example.
00:36:26
>> It doesn't have like autonomous like it
00:36:29
can't do things for you autonomously.
00:36:30
When I say like you can access those
00:36:32
files, it's like you you you do a search
00:36:35
and it's like a universal search that
00:36:36
goes between your desktop and also your
00:36:38
Google Drive.
00:36:40
>> So, it's still handy.
00:36:41
>> It's interesting.
00:36:41
>> Um, and it's quite cool. And it's cool
00:36:43
that just like floats to the side and
00:36:44
you can just like invoke it with a
00:36:46
keyboard shortcut. So,
00:36:48
>> I don't know why they made this or why
00:36:50
they made this now super random, but
00:36:52
it's very cool and I wish they had it
00:36:54
for
00:36:54
>> Have you ever tried to search for a
00:36:56
local file on a Windows computer? That
00:36:58
That's why they made it.
00:36:59
>> Yeah. just why in 2026 that's been a
00:37:01
problem for like 30 years.
00:37:03
>> Can they make search in Gmail better?
00:37:04
>> Yeah, I was gonna say this company is
00:37:06
good at some search and bad at some
00:37:07
search.
00:37:08
>> Yeah, I you know what I really want on
00:37:11
mobile version of Gmail, there's the all
00:37:13
mail function. They do not have that on
00:37:15
the desktop and you have to like keep
00:37:17
changing your accounts over and over
00:37:18
again.
00:37:19
>> It's so annoying.
00:37:20
>> Anyway, I would love that. Unless you
00:37:22
have sidebyside browser windows open
00:37:24
>> like a king.
00:37:27
>> Like a king. I want to hit you with the
00:37:29
dumbest headline I saw today.
00:37:30
>> Hit me.
00:37:31
>> You all talked about it before. I was
00:37:33
trying to keep this a secret, but it
00:37:34
sounds like half you read this. Uh, so
00:37:36
struggling shoe retailer Allirds makes
00:37:38
bizarre pivot from shoes to AI. Stock
00:37:40
explodes more than 700%.
00:37:42
>> 700%.
00:37:43
>> Did you hear about this this morning
00:37:44
when they were talking about serious?
00:37:45
>> Okay, cool.
00:37:46
>> That's that is the dumbest thing.
00:37:47
>> So allirds is pivoting from shoes to AI.
00:37:50
They're going to sell off their shoe
00:37:51
assets to American Exchange for $39
00:37:54
million.
00:37:56
They quote, "They are going to pivot its
00:37:59
business to AI compute infrastructure
00:38:01
with a long-term vision to become a
00:38:03
fully integrated GPU as a service GPU."
00:38:06
AAS,
00:38:07
>> this is
00:38:08
>> there's more.
00:38:09
>> Was this April Fool's Day at this?
00:38:10
>> No. Everything I said had to have a line
00:38:12
that said, "This is real." It says, "An
00:38:15
AI native cloud solutions provider. In
00:38:17
connection with this pivot, the company
00:38:18
anticipates changing its names to New
00:38:20
Bird AI."
00:38:21
>> New bird. This reads strikingly like an
00:38:24
April Fool's joke.
00:38:26
>> This really reads like an AI.
00:38:27
>> Look at this stock chart.
00:38:29
>> Wow.
00:38:29
>> Holy crap.
00:38:30
>> So, they also,
00:38:31
>> it's not the onion.
00:38:32
>> Because of this pivot, they proposed to
00:38:34
their um shareholders if they could
00:38:37
remove all references to the company
00:38:39
being operated for the environmental
00:38:40
conservation public benefit.
00:38:42
>> Oh my god.
00:38:43
>> Imagine saying that out loud.
00:38:45
>> This reads now. Now, are you sure it's
00:38:47
not the onion? Cuz that's
00:38:48
>> onion's like we're out of a job.
00:38:50
>> Crazy. Wait, so they're selling the shoe
00:38:52
company?
00:38:53
>> They're selling all their shoe assets
00:38:54
>> to who?
00:38:55
>> Uh, American Exchange Group.
00:38:58
>> Just like the shoes and the designs. I'm
00:39:00
assuming the rest of the
00:39:01
>> Are they still going to be sold under
00:39:03
all birds?
00:39:04
>> It sounds They're changing their name to
00:39:06
New Bird AI.
00:39:07
>> Yeah. So, their shoes will be Old Birds.
00:39:09
>> This is the biggest it game plan I've
00:39:11
ever seen. Like, they thought that they
00:39:14
were going to be a tech company because
00:39:15
they were selling products to tech
00:39:17
people, but it wasn't really tech. And
00:39:20
then they've just been in Silicon Valley
00:39:21
so long they're like it.
00:39:23
>> From the articles I read, it basically
00:39:24
was like our evaluation when we IPOed
00:39:27
was like four billion and now it's so so
00:39:30
so so much less than that they're like
00:39:33
we need to do something else because
00:39:35
we're IPO and we have to please share.
00:39:37
>> They at 1,000. Wait, that that can't be
00:39:41
right. That's $1 million a share.
00:39:43
>> I don't know enough about the stock
00:39:44
market, but I do think 4 billion is
00:39:46
maybe a little bit silly for a shoe
00:39:48
company.
00:39:48
>> That is so crazy. I mean,
00:39:49
>> dude, do you remember when allirds first
00:39:51
came out? They were
00:39:52
>> so popular. They were so high.
00:39:55
>> Yeah, but valuation of 2.2 to4 billion
00:39:58
when they IPOed in 2021.
00:40:00
>> I'm just googling how much Nike is worth
00:40:02
right now. 67 billion.
00:40:04
>> Damn.
00:40:09
>> Okay, I guess that is pretty,
00:40:10
>> dude. Allirds are so hyped.
00:40:13
>> Everyone loves them.
00:40:13
>> Are the shoes on sale right now?
00:40:16
>> Apparently through American Exchange,
00:40:18
whatever. Crazy. Well, rip.
00:40:21
>> Your new Your new Allirds come with a
00:40:22
GPU. Actually, they don't. You have to
00:40:24
pay with a GPU so they can put it in
00:40:26
their infrastructure.
00:40:26
>> And people still say we're not in a
00:40:28
bubble.
00:40:29
>> Let's see how this go. Let's see how
00:40:31
this goes for them.
00:40:32
>> This may age incredibly poorly.
00:40:33
>> I mean, honestly, maybe GoPro should
00:40:34
have done the same thing. You know what
00:40:36
I mean? It's like if you're going to
00:40:37
sync, you might as well become an AI
00:40:39
company before you sync.
00:40:40
>> I guess so. Yeah.
00:40:42
>> Just paint AI over your company and hope
00:40:44
that it changes.
00:40:45
>> They already have the first two letters.
00:40:47
They got the G and the P, you know, in
00:40:49
GoPro. We're just the U of
00:40:50
>> GoPro universe. GoPro universe.
00:40:53
>> Oh my god.
00:40:54
>> That could be their um
00:40:55
>> Good for them.
00:40:56
>> Their online crypto,
00:40:57
>> I guess.
00:40:58
>> Yeah.
00:40:58
>> Yeah, that's crazy. Get your bag.
00:41:00
>> Their company's not going to die.
00:41:01
>> The straight up just asking if we can
00:41:03
remove all references that we care about
00:41:05
the environment is a wild thing to put
00:41:08
out in the public.
00:41:08
>> You can't really say you do when you
00:41:10
just run a GPU farm. It's not really
00:41:13
compatible. Hey, hey, hey. What if you
00:41:15
like heated your pool with it or
00:41:17
something? Then, you know, technically
00:41:18
you're removing.
00:41:19
>> Isn't that what Linus did in one of his
00:41:21
videos?
00:41:21
>> I think he he
00:41:22
>> he cooled his is the other way around.
00:41:25
He cooled his computers off with the
00:41:26
pool water. Correct.
00:41:27
>> Oh, yeah. I mean,
00:41:28
>> it would be crazy to heat your pool with
00:41:31
the That's the same.
00:41:32
>> Yeah. Then the pool water goes back into
00:41:33
the pool and it's warmer.
00:41:35
>> Yeah. The difference it would make to
00:41:36
the pool versus the difference between
00:41:38
temperatures is
00:41:39
>> I don't know. Depends on how many
00:41:40
computers you got.
00:41:42
>> Damn. Heat the oceans. All right. Uh
00:41:45
we're going to take a break. We'll be
00:41:47
back with some uh updates from the last
00:41:49
year that all have lots of updates that
00:41:51
we can tell you about. So, it's going to
00:41:53
be fun. But first, you know what doesn't
00:41:55
get updated that we do every single
00:41:57
week?
00:41:58
>> Trivia.
00:41:59
>> Dude,
00:42:00
>> guys, we're pivoting the podcast.
00:42:04
Guys, we all know GoPro for its hero and
00:42:08
now mission line of little tiny cameras.
00:42:12
But from 2016 to 2018, GoPro briefly
00:42:15
entered this adjacent product category.
00:42:19
What is it?
00:42:20
>> What What was the year timeline?
00:42:22
>> 2016 to 2018. It didn't go well and they
00:42:25
stopped.
00:42:25
>> Oh, I think I might have had that
00:42:27
product.
00:42:28
>> GoPro entered. GoPro entered and then
00:42:30
promptly left
00:42:32
>> shoes.
00:42:33
>> Yeah.
00:42:35
>> All birds
00:42:36
>> GPU compute.
00:42:37
>> Huh. Okay. All right.
00:42:38
>> GPUs.
00:42:39
>> Well, we'll think about it. It's a blast
00:42:40
from the past. Kind of like the rest of
00:42:41
this episode. Yeah.
00:42:42
>> Answers will be at the end like usual.
00:42:44
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this segment where we mostly talk about
00:43:59
things that may sound familiar because
00:44:03
they're updates to things that we've
00:44:04
previously talked about. This segment is
00:44:06
called circling back
00:44:10
>> re my last conversation.
00:44:12
>> We're not even sure if it's going to be
00:44:13
a segment, but that's too good of a
00:44:15
name, so it's now a segment.
00:44:16
>> Even if it's just a one time segment per
00:44:17
my last email. All right, first up, uh,
00:44:20
we talked about Kabi Lame's near
00:44:24
billiondoll deal. Something about he was
00:44:26
like selling his company and his image
00:44:29
for unlimited use to turn into like an
00:44:32
AI likeness. Yeah. Content generator
00:44:35
version of himself or something for a
00:44:36
billion dollars.
00:44:37
>> Yep.
00:44:37
>> Um, we were a little skeptical because
00:44:41
they promised to make like hundreds of
00:44:42
millions of dollars off of his likeness
00:44:44
in like no time. turned out we were
00:44:47
right to be skeptical.
00:44:49
>> Yeah.
00:44:49
>> Uh they they essentially paid him in
00:44:52
stock and then obviously all those
00:44:54
headlines go out, the stock price goes
00:44:56
up and then shortly after crashes and is
00:45:00
I don't want to say worthless now, but I
00:45:02
think you understand the risk of a all
00:45:05
stock deal when they're promising you
00:45:06
billions of dollars like that. It was a
00:45:08
rugpull. It's very similar to what
00:45:10
happens in crypto coins. Yeah. Where
00:45:12
they basically like IPOed it and then
00:45:14
they merged like his image as a new
00:45:16
company and then a ton of fans bought a
00:45:19
ton of stock because they're like, "Oh,
00:45:20
they're going to make hundreds of
00:45:21
billions of dollars and then all of a
00:45:23
sudden the price completely cor
00:45:25
collapsed. Uh which means that the
00:45:28
company probably had most of the stock
00:45:30
>> and probably sold it all.
00:45:32
>> Yeah. And now Kabil Lame doesn't own his
00:45:36
likeness
00:45:38
or have any of the stock.
00:45:40
>> No, but he might have made the money.
00:45:41
We're not really sure.
00:45:42
>> That's the tough part about this is
00:45:44
Yeah,
00:45:45
>> he might have been the rug.
00:45:46
>> It is a weird thing though where lots of
00:45:47
company Well, you don't know for sure,
00:45:49
but lots of companies tag on to people
00:45:51
with a lot of influence and then rugpool
00:45:53
under them because then that person with
00:45:56
influence as the public facing person
00:45:58
gets to uh they get all they get.
00:46:01
Nobody's talking about Sparkle Holdings.
00:46:04
>> Yeah, even though they probably should
00:46:05
be.
00:46:06
>> Everything's a scam these days. Pretty
00:46:08
much.
00:46:08
>> Everything's a scam.
00:46:09
>> If someone offers you a billion dollars
00:46:10
for your likeness, maybe think a little
00:46:13
bit more about that.
00:46:14
>> If you're getting offered more than the
00:46:15
highest contract in the MLB,
00:46:18
there's probably something wrong with
00:46:19
that.
00:46:19
>> He does have more followers than that
00:46:21
person.
00:46:22
>> True.
00:46:22
>> Is that um
00:46:24
>> Wanoto? You can do this. Uh
00:46:26
>> what's his
00:46:27
>> You're thinking Show.
00:46:28
>> Yeah. Show Otani. Was Juan Sodto Sports
00:46:31
>> Janoto?
00:46:32
>> Yeah.
00:46:33
>> 765 million. I only know because I
00:46:35
reference it every time a company gets
00:46:36
sold. No, no, no, no. Over 10ish years.
00:46:39
>> Show was a billion.
00:46:41
>> Was show bigger or but didn't show have
00:46:43
like a bunch? I don't know. Wanotos was
00:46:46
after. Maybe I just use Wanotos because
00:46:49
there's lots of tech companies that get
00:46:50
sold for less money than Wanoto is
00:46:52
making.
00:46:53
>> That's crazy.
00:46:53
>> And that's hilarious.
00:46:54
>> Wow. Woto should buy Apple.
00:46:57
Speaking of scams,
00:46:59
>> as you said,
00:47:00
>> um, yeah, NZXT and their Flex PC
00:47:03
rentals. Do you remember that at all?
00:47:06
>> Yes,
00:47:06
>> that's a fun one. Um,
00:47:07
>> big Gamers Nexus investigation into
00:47:09
this.
00:47:10
>> Exactly. If you really want everything
00:47:12
that happened here, there's about 7
00:47:13
hours of footage from Gamers Nexus. That
00:47:15
is really, really interesting. But
00:47:17
really quick, TLDDR 2024 NZXT was
00:47:20
renting out computers on a
00:47:22
subscriptionbased uh basis. The weird
00:47:25
thing about it was one when you you
00:47:27
didn't buy the computer outright. When
00:47:28
you got to the price of the computer,
00:47:30
that was crazy. Some of the times you
00:47:32
would switch from buying the computer to
00:47:34
renting the computer on their website.
00:47:36
It would change the specs without really
00:47:38
noticing. So, you get a worse computer.
00:47:40
And then they had a bunch of uh like
00:47:42
promotions and integrations where I
00:47:44
don't know if they told the people to
00:47:45
say this, but somebody was saying
00:47:47
something like
00:47:48
>> you could rent this computer and then
00:47:50
win a Fortnite tournament and then buy a
00:47:52
computer. like
00:47:53
>> it's it's like one of those like it's
00:47:54
basically making you money. You're
00:47:56
losing money by
00:47:57
>> by not doing it.
00:47:58
>> Really really sketchy,
00:48:01
>> borderline scammy, if not a total scam.
00:48:04
Um but they just reached a settlement
00:48:07
um for $3.4 million I think
00:48:12
$3.45 million. Essentially in the
00:48:15
lawsuit it's saying that uh people who
00:48:18
are getting collected debt from which
00:48:20
apparently some of the in uh except
00:48:23
apparently some of the instances were
00:48:24
like people actually paid and they still
00:48:25
have debt collectors coming at them. So
00:48:27
it just sounds like this the company
00:48:29
that they're working with I forget the
00:48:30
name in here uh is doing it really
00:48:32
poorly. So some people who are paying
00:48:34
they're going to get money back from the
00:48:36
settlement and then some people who were
00:48:38
paying for over two years they're saying
00:48:41
get to own the computer outright. Yeah.
00:48:43
Um, and the weird thing is though, NZXT
00:48:46
is still offering some rental programs.
00:48:47
They've changed a couple things in it,
00:48:49
but it still seems really sketchy. Don't
00:48:52
rent a computer. It's stupid. It also
00:48:55
>> if you're renting a computer, the
00:48:57
computer's changed so much that it's
00:48:58
going to be likeing obsolete by the time
00:49:00
you
00:49:01
>> don't even get to pay it off. I don't
00:49:03
even know what's rent a center's entire,
00:49:05
you know, entire point. That's the
00:49:07
reason that was basically a scam, too.
00:49:09
>> Yeah. So,
00:49:10
>> yeah. Go watch the Gamers Nexus video
00:49:11
for the whole thing on this, but um
00:49:13
NZXT,
00:49:15
>> that sucks.
00:49:16
>> This is extra lame because they were
00:49:18
target I mean, if you're talking about
00:49:19
you could win a Fortnite tournament and
00:49:21
then buy your own computer, they're
00:49:22
probably kind of targeting 15year-olds.
00:49:24
Oh yeah.
00:49:25
>> You know, it's like kids who probably
00:49:27
don't have enough money to buy a gaming
00:49:28
PC and then they entice you with this
00:49:32
idea of like you could win this thing
00:49:33
that you play all the time and then you
00:49:35
could buy it yourself and you don't have
00:49:36
any money and like
00:49:37
>> predatory.
00:49:38
>> That's super predatory. And also by
00:49:40
doing that is like when you look at a
00:49:41
computer at first that's maybe close to
00:49:43
your price range, maybe it's like
00:49:45
$1,200, then you go to the rental
00:49:47
version, which is showing a monthly
00:49:48
payment, then you're like, "Oh, I can
00:49:49
bump up the specs on this a little bit."
00:49:51
It's it's only changing my rental price
00:49:52
a couple dollars a month. And then
00:49:54
>> it's not that far off from like car
00:49:56
payments at this point, like tacking on
00:49:58
extra trim levels and stuff. So, but
00:49:59
when you're targeting Fortnite players,
00:50:01
which we all know is a certain age
00:50:03
group,
00:50:03
>> Yeah.
00:50:04
>> you're targeting the most vulnerable
00:50:05
part of that.
00:50:06
>> For sure. Yeah. Very lame, but good lame
00:50:08
that um this lawsuit went through. So,
00:50:11
I'm glad that people are getting the
00:50:12
money back.
00:50:12
>> Agreed.
00:50:13
>> Do you want to do the uh
00:50:14
>> Yeah. Yeah. Next one. We This was only a
00:50:16
few weeks ago that this happened, but um
00:50:18
you know, things of this administration
00:50:20
changed very quickly. We didn't know
00:50:22
why, but the Pentagon decided to ban all
00:50:27
routers from being imported into the US
00:50:30
in the future uh that were not made in
00:50:32
America, which is really
00:50:33
>> So, all routers?
00:50:35
>> So, all routers? Yeah,
00:50:36
>> practically maybe not Cisco, but they're
00:50:39
probably still assembled in Vietnam or
00:50:40
something. Um, yeah. So, we don't really
00:50:42
know why, but just today the FCC gave
00:50:45
NET or I guess yesterday the FCC gave
00:50:47
Netgear conditional approval to import
00:50:50
future routers, modems, and gateways
00:50:52
into the US through October 1st of 2027.
00:50:55
Netgear has not announced any plans to
00:50:57
bring its manufacturing to the United
00:50:59
States. Um, and the Pentagon has stated
00:51:01
that such devices do not pose risk to
00:51:04
the US national security. Uh, so Pete
00:51:07
Hexath, why did you ban them in the
00:51:08
first place?
00:51:09
>> Tell me that.
00:51:10
>> You know what's funny? Netgear was one
00:51:13
of the main targets of the the Chinese
00:51:15
hacking group attack.
00:51:16
>> Yeah,
00:51:16
>> that was because a bunch of people did a
00:51:18
really bad job of updating the security
00:51:20
issues with it. But Netgear's like the
00:51:24
the the router that got hacked in the
00:51:26
whole thing they're referencing for
00:51:28
doing the banning list,
00:51:29
>> right? And they said they wasn't like
00:51:31
explicitly Netgear's fault because it
00:51:33
was some like ISP firmware thing that
00:51:35
happened to go through the router.
00:51:36
>> I think it was just an lacking of
00:51:38
updating a security measure the routers,
00:51:41
>> right? Um so I'm not saying this was a
00:51:44
bribe, but I'm not saying it wasn't a
00:51:47
bribe. Just going to say
00:51:49
>> you're not not saying
00:51:50
>> I'm not not saying allegedly.
00:51:51
>> Do you know what email I did get this
00:51:53
morning? What
00:51:54
>> from Netgear? It says Netgear is the
00:51:56
first retail consumer router company to
00:51:58
receive conditional approval from the
00:51:59
FCC and then a whole thing about how um
00:52:02
they're the first ever retail customer
00:52:04
>> first ever with conditional approval.
00:52:06
>> Two weeks ago when this first changed.
00:52:08
>> Yeah. The FCC called for stronger safety
00:52:10
and security standards. This aligns with
00:52:12
our security first approach. And
00:52:15
>> that's like when businesses like put
00:52:16
outside their business establish 2026
00:52:18
and you're like, "Okay,
00:52:21
>> that doesn't really help."
00:52:23
>> Um,
00:52:23
>> yeah. So,
00:52:24
>> yeah, the funny thing about that, most
00:52:26
people that got that email probably
00:52:27
don't even know what happened.
00:52:29
>> They probably don't even know that the
00:52:30
routers got banned because you've got to
00:52:31
be pretty in the weeds to know that the
00:52:34
Pentagon decided to ban routers that
00:52:36
were coming from not the United States.
00:52:38
So, we'll see if this extends to more
00:52:41
router companies. Um, it would be very
00:52:43
strange if Netgear was the only company
00:52:45
allowed to sell routers in the United
00:52:46
States in the future,
00:52:47
>> given they are probably one of the
00:52:49
larger router manufacturers in the US,
00:52:51
unless you're a big gamer that can
00:52:53
afford this and can buy like a Asus, you
00:52:56
know, whatever. The spider one. Yeah,
00:52:59
the one that looks like a spider.
00:53:01
>> So, I don't know. It's weird. All right,
00:53:05
we got one more that is a it's a far
00:53:07
call back to a very early episode. Yeah,
00:53:09
but I think arguably one of the biggest
00:53:10
things despite it sounding like it has
00:53:12
absolutely nothing to do with tech, John
00:53:14
Deere just settled for a $99 million
00:53:18
lawsuit over right to repair,
00:53:20
>> which was one of our first ever bonus
00:53:23
episodes.
00:53:24
>> Was it really
00:53:24
>> right to repair episode where we talked
00:53:26
to John Deere and a couple of right to
00:53:27
repair advocates.
00:53:28
>> Yeah, John Deere is like this thing
00:53:30
where in the tech world doesn't feel
00:53:31
like it has anything to do with us, but
00:53:33
they are just
00:53:34
>> Right to repair hates John Deere because
00:53:36
of all the stuff that they do. Yeah.
00:53:38
>> Um, so this is obviously much larger.
00:53:41
$99 million to farmers in a class action
00:53:43
lawsuit that accuses them of preventing
00:53:45
farmers or mechanics from being able to
00:53:46
repair their equipment.
00:53:48
>> Um,
00:53:49
with the new lawsuit, John Deere is
00:53:51
going to make repair resources, this is
00:53:53
where I was a little confused, available
00:53:54
for 10 years based on a license or
00:53:56
subscriptions, which
00:53:57
>> what
00:53:58
>> sounds like not the best way of doing
00:54:00
this. Um I'm not totally sure how that's
00:54:03
working out, but um they have agreed to
00:54:05
allow owners and shops to run
00:54:06
diagnostics on equipment while in
00:54:08
offline mode by the end of the year,
00:54:10
which is huge because previously what
00:54:11
you had to do if you were a farmer who
00:54:13
had a giant tractor break is bring it to
00:54:16
an authorized dealer to get it fixed,
00:54:18
>> which is probably very far away from
00:54:20
your farm,
00:54:20
>> from your farm. And the equipment you're
00:54:22
bringing in is probably um heavy
00:54:25
>> and it has to be during business hours.
00:54:27
It has to be like there have to be
00:54:28
people that know how to fix it. It's
00:54:29
probably going to take them at least a
00:54:30
weeks to fix it. And I remember talking
00:54:32
to some farmers about this and they were
00:54:34
like it would just throw like the most
00:54:35
basic system error that like I should be
00:54:38
able to fix with a wrench, but because I
00:54:40
I can't access the firmware, I can't do
00:54:43
anything to it.
00:54:44
>> And it was a it was a whole thing.
00:54:46
>> Yeah. You need to get it like towed to
00:54:47
the nearest retail. Yeah. It's kind of
00:54:49
crazy. But the lawsuit was filed in
00:54:51
2022. And while the cinnamon's not
00:54:53
perfect, this still in the right to
00:54:55
repair world has got to be one of the
00:54:56
biggest wins. Whether it's a perfect win
00:54:59
or not, probably one of the biggest wins
00:55:02
in the battle of right to repair.
00:55:04
>> Yeah. I'm curious what the details of
00:55:05
that like subscription to be able to fix
00:55:07
your thing.
00:55:08
>> My first thought was do just some
00:55:10
different non authorized retailers can
00:55:13
they like buy a subscription to access
00:55:16
different parts if they're not the
00:55:17
owner? So like maybe different because
00:55:19
it mentions mechanics. So maybe there
00:55:20
are mechanics that aren't authorized and
00:55:22
maybe they can
00:55:24
>> somehow pay to have subscriptions or
00:55:26
licenses for repairing equipment. So it
00:55:28
doesn't have to be only specific ones.
00:55:30
>> Yeah.
00:55:30
>> Not totally sure. But
00:55:32
>> yeah, this is one of those things that
00:55:33
you don't really realize has been like
00:55:35
completely upended by technology. You
00:55:37
know, tractors and farming in general
00:55:40
have been like they use a lot of AI
00:55:42
stuff now to detect what's a weed and
00:55:44
what's a crop. And uh it's to the point
00:55:47
where like you kind of have to use this
00:55:49
stuff because if you're using
00:55:50
traditional equipment, it's going to be
00:55:52
you're going to be way way way behind in
00:55:54
the amount amount of stuff that you can
00:55:56
harvest,
00:55:56
>> but at the same time, you have no
00:55:58
control. You're basically selling your
00:55:59
soul to like a giant farming company
00:56:02
that allows you to use this stuff and
00:56:04
you can't fix it yourself. And it's like
00:56:06
a catch 22.
00:56:07
>> It's very annoying and hopefully fixed
00:56:09
soon.
00:56:09
>> Yeah.
00:56:09
>> And I hope it the legal precedent
00:56:12
extends to like other sort of
00:56:14
industries. I I've been hearing a lot uh
00:56:17
that like things like cement mixers or
00:56:20
weed whackers are also slightly
00:56:22
different because it's not like they're
00:56:23
using AI, but it's like it's the same
00:56:24
thing where it's like there's no reason
00:56:26
these things are not repairable other
00:56:28
than the companies who make them refuse
00:56:30
to sell spare parts at a fair price.
00:56:34
>> Yeah. Yeah, sounds about right. I mean,
00:56:36
we saw a couple years ago Apple started
00:56:38
selling like their own parts repair kits
00:56:40
and at first it was like a large large
00:56:43
heavy box that like made it very
00:56:45
difficult to use, but they've gotten
00:56:46
better over time. So, we often New York
00:56:49
laws that were passed a couple years ago
00:56:50
about right to prepare. So, I think
00:56:52
we're we're going we're getting there.
00:56:53
>> Precedent. More precedents that get set
00:56:55
the better.
00:56:56
>> Yeah.
00:56:56
>> That episode was so long ago I don't
00:56:58
even think Ellis was here yet.
00:56:59
>> I don't think so. No, right to repair
00:57:02
deep dive was like episode three of
00:57:04
>> 2020 waveform.
00:57:06
>> That episode is so I wasn't even born
00:57:07
yet.
00:57:08
>> Actually, that was that even video
00:57:10
waveform or was it
00:57:11
>> I went to double video.
00:57:13
>> I think it was the first ever bonus
00:57:14
episode.
00:57:15
>> You guys published that episode by
00:57:16
speaking into a can.
00:57:19
>> I just went straight to
00:57:22
>> Yeah.
00:57:23
>> Marquez, you typed breaking news in
00:57:25
>> breaking news.
00:57:26
>> Breaking news.
00:57:27
>> Breaking news fish. That's a hilarious
00:57:29
reference. Um, I just got an email that
00:57:32
uh Gemini for Mac just got released. It
00:57:34
is essentially the same thing that we
00:57:36
were talking about earlier with for
00:57:38
Windows.
00:57:38
>> Oh,
00:57:39
>> but it's also now on the Mac. So, if you
00:57:41
go to gemini.com
00:57:44
gemini.google,
00:57:46
it's the same thing.
00:57:47
>> That's such a funny URL.
00:57:49
>> Yeah. Gemini.google, but it's
00:57:51
>> pancakes.baconjam.
00:57:53
>> It's essentially like it's the same
00:57:55
thing. It replaces your keyboard
00:57:56
shortcut. So, like right now you can
00:57:58
replace Spotlight with whatever
00:57:59
alternative. You can have this replace
00:58:01
Spotlight and then jump in and access
00:58:03
your files or your Google Drive or your
00:58:05
whatever and it's your chatbot into your
00:58:08
Gemini or desktop.
00:58:09
>> Google's going to Sherlock Spotlight.
00:58:11
>> Oh my god.
00:58:12
>> Well, what is the shortcut to activate
00:58:15
this? Do you have it installed yet?
00:58:16
>> I do have it installed already. And the
00:58:18
shortcut is customizable, but by default
00:58:21
your mini chat shortcut is command is
00:58:23
option space and your full chat shortcut
00:58:26
is option shift space.
00:58:28
>> But I think I can change that. Yeah, I
00:58:30
can just change that to whatever.
00:58:30
>> I just want it to be space.
00:58:31
>> I want that crazy.
00:58:34
>> I want to change it to control because
00:58:36
then I could just use all of them. I'll
00:58:38
have command space for spotlight,
00:58:40
>> option space for raycast, and then
00:58:42
control space for Google Gemini. It's
00:58:44
also funny because control is generally
00:58:46
the hotkey for Windows
00:58:48
>> 10 years a Gemini thing.
00:58:49
>> I can't wait to be really old and
00:58:51
talking to my great grandkids and say
00:58:52
something like, "I remember when Google
00:58:55
Sherlocked Spotlight and also turned
00:58:58
Raycast into Clubhouse." And they be
00:59:00
like, "Oh man, you really need to be in
00:59:01
a home."
00:59:03
>> It's time for a grandpa.
00:59:05
>> That happened right
00:59:09
>> back in the AI wars. I I talked about it
00:59:12
on a podcast once.
00:59:13
>> What's a Dad? What's a podcast? Grandpa
00:59:16
Sure, Grandpa. It's time to take a nap.
00:59:18
>> It was an audio feed. It was It was
00:59:20
syndicated really simply.
00:59:22
>> You joke, but you will be telling them
00:59:24
about
00:59:24
>> You mean Spotify?
00:59:26
>> Yeah. No, they don't even Spotify will
00:59:28
be long gone.
00:59:29
>> It'll be a They're going to rebrand to
00:59:31
an AI a GPU company at some point.
00:59:35
There will just be like one giant data
00:59:37
center somewhere in the desert that
00:59:38
makes one continuous song with AI and
00:59:41
you just you just sort of tune in to see
00:59:43
what's going on with the song. It's like
00:59:45
perpetual stew of music.
00:59:47
>> Oh, I hate that. Someone code this. I
00:59:49
want that.
00:59:51
>> I'm surprised you haven't already. This
00:59:52
is like I remember like so long ago I
00:59:56
met someone who was at a VC firm that
00:59:58
was like working on this exact project
01:00:00
or it wasn't this exact project but the
01:00:01
idea was like what if you could turn one
01:00:04
song into an entire day's listening
01:00:06
experience with generative AI. So like
01:00:09
>> they would add guitar solos and then one
01:00:10
idea they pitched was they were like
01:00:12
yeah at one point like the music will
01:00:13
sort of get really quiet and it'll be
01:00:15
like a a podcast about the song and it's
01:00:18
like
01:00:19
>> that guy's listening to this episode and
01:00:20
he's like it didn't sound that stupid
01:00:25
>> I thought it was cool this was like 2017
01:00:28
like like very early trans like before
01:00:31
AIs could generate any of these things.
01:00:33
So, it was very like pie in the sky. And
01:00:34
I remember being like, "That sounds kind
01:00:36
of interesting." And now that they can,
01:00:37
I'm like, "Oh my god." Before we move
01:00:39
on, I just want to say I while we're
01:00:41
talking about AI music, I was in a
01:00:43
coffee shop
01:00:45
>> last weekend. I know. Wow.
01:00:46
>> Was it outside?
01:00:47
>> I was in it was in it was an indoor
01:00:49
building,
01:00:50
>> I think.
01:00:51
>> But, um,
01:00:52
>> interesting.
01:00:53
>> Uh, listen to a song. I was like,
01:00:55
interesting song. Next song I was like,
01:00:57
this coffee shop dude's, you know,
01:00:58
pretty middle of the road. And then um
01:01:01
that song died down and I just heard,
01:01:04
"Okay, Michael,
01:01:06
I'm glad you enjoyed that." And I was
01:01:08
like, "No,
01:01:10
>> they're not. They're using the Spotify
01:01:12
DJ in the coffee shop."
01:01:14
>> What's up, David?
01:01:15
>> That's great. Quick update,
01:01:17
>> Dave Punk, bringing it home.
01:01:18
>> You can make control space the shortcut.
01:01:22
>> Sick.
01:01:22
>> So, if you want, you can live this life.
01:01:24
>> You got Claude on one,
01:01:27
you got Gemini on the other. Tap tap tap
01:01:30
lock.
01:01:30
>> That was a very uh Linux coded sentence
01:01:33
of you because it's command space on Mac
01:01:35
OS. Anyway, are we ready for trivia?
01:01:37
>> I use Arch by the way. I am ready for
01:01:39
trivia.
01:01:39
>> Nice.
01:01:40
>> Let's get it.
01:01:42
>> I need the points.
01:01:44
>> Here's your trivia question number two
01:01:46
earlier. I don't remember what we were
01:01:48
talking about. We were talking about
01:01:49
temperature and Celsius. Oh, it was the
01:01:50
bug.
01:01:51
>> It was the bug.
01:01:51
>> That's what it was.
01:01:52
>> So, here's your question.
01:01:54
>> Oh, no.
01:01:55
>> 32 degrees C is what in Fahrenheit?
01:01:58
That's so obvious.
01:01:59
>> I'm glad I know that. I thought the
01:02:01
nearest tenth of the decimal without
01:02:03
going over.
01:02:05
>> Oh, wait.
01:02:05
>> Oh, no.
01:02:06
>> Yeah, you guys are backwards the other
01:02:07
way around.
01:02:08
>> You said 32 Celsius.
01:02:10
>> 32 Celsius.
01:02:11
>> Oh, whoops. Okay.
01:02:12
>> Uh-huh.
01:02:13
>> I'll I'll think
01:02:14
>> everyone in other countries is yelling
01:02:16
at us right now.
01:02:17
>> Well, no, because they have to know
01:02:18
Fahrenheit. Yeah, it's just the other
01:02:20
way around.
01:02:21
>> I think 32 Celsius is enough to kill a
01:02:23
bear with the amount of caffeine.
01:02:26
But maybe maybe that's just me.
01:02:28
>> Um, okay.
01:02:30
>> Nice.
01:02:31
>> How much
01:02:33
>> how much caffeine would kill a bear? I
01:02:35
did do a lot of research in how much
01:02:37
caffeine would kill a person. Cocaine
01:02:38
bear because I had a crazy experience.
01:02:42
>> Dude, someone asked this question on
01:02:44
Reddit, word for word, four weeks ago.
01:02:46
How much caffeine would I need to kill a
01:02:48
bear with a heart attack?
01:02:50
>> What kind of bear?
01:02:51
>> Yeah, brown bear or black bear. They're
01:02:53
very different bears or polar bear
01:02:56
>> like a man.
01:02:57
>> No.
01:02:58
>> The top comment is 200. They say first
01:03:00
of all it would die of a seizure, not a
01:03:01
heart attack. Second of all, uh 200 cups
01:03:04
for a black bear, 400 cups for a grizzly
01:03:06
bear. Assuming this random reb Reddit
01:03:09
comment,
01:03:11
>> you know, a good way to tell the
01:03:12
difference between
01:03:12
>> between what?
01:03:13
>> Black bear and a grizzly bear
01:03:14
>> if it's alive after 200 cups.
01:03:21
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01:03:23
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01:04:34
All right, welcome back. I have a sports
01:04:38
question that Marquez is going to
01:04:39
explain in tech terms, which is kind of
01:04:40
weird because it feels like the basis of
01:04:42
the question already kind of is within
01:04:44
tech itself.
01:04:45
>> Correct.
01:04:46
>> There's also a reason in the beginning
01:04:47
Marquez said it's a sports related thing
01:04:49
and not a golf related thing because I'm
01:04:51
sure most people wouldn't make it this
01:04:52
far into the podcast if they knew it was
01:04:53
about golf.
01:04:54
>> Too bad you're here. Don't go away.
01:04:57
>> Okay. So, I saw this.
01:04:58
>> Do you mean regular golf or ball golf?
01:05:00
>> Ball golf.
01:05:00
>> Okay. What?
01:05:01
>> Not disc golf.
01:05:02
>> Or wait,
01:05:03
>> not the superior. What is regular golf
01:05:05
then?
01:05:05
>> Ball golf.
01:05:06
>> The original.
01:05:06
>> No, no, no. SORRY.
01:05:08
>> YOU STOLE THIS OUT.
01:05:10
>> We're disc golf fans here.
01:05:11
>> Oh, I knew that. Uh, we So, so regular
01:05:15
is disc is what you're saying.
01:05:17
>> You're saying it's superior.
01:05:17
>> That's the joke. No, I feel like this is
01:05:19
not even Please just continue.
01:05:21
>> Okay. So,
01:05:21
>> yeah,
01:05:22
>> the original tweet was actually from
01:05:24
Andrew Martinick and he said, "Imagine
01:05:26
being this crazy about your custom 3D
01:05:28
printed irons and losing in every
01:05:29
serious tournament to guys who don't do
01:05:31
any of that and just play with normal
01:05:32
equipment." And it's referencing a tweet
01:05:34
about Bryson Desau and his 3D printed
01:05:37
five iron where a reporter asked, "Are
01:05:39
you satisfied with the five?" He said,
01:05:41
"Yeah, I mean, I only hit it once
01:05:42
today." And the reporter said, "How long
01:05:44
does it take to make?" Where he replied,
01:05:45
"Prints in 8 hours. Machines, they're
01:05:48
three or four hours. Then you have to
01:05:49
cut grooves in it and a bunch of other
01:05:50
stuff so you can have something within a
01:05:52
day and a half.
01:05:53
>> If it's 30 printed, is it still made of
01:05:55
iron?"
01:05:55
>> I'm so confused.
01:05:57
>> It's called a five iron
01:05:58
>> about this. Well, I mean, honestly, I am
01:06:01
confused about the material of
01:06:02
>> I thought you said this was about
01:06:04
sports.
01:06:06
>> Wow.
01:06:07
>> This was at the Masters this week.
01:06:08
>> Disrespect is crazy. Yeah. Explain tech,
01:06:10
>> which is like the minor league of golf.
01:06:12
>> Yeah. No,
01:06:12
>> it's it's the one with the really cheap
01:06:14
food.
01:06:15
>> Yes.
01:06:15
>> Okay.
01:06:16
>> Yes. Okay. I'm glad you went there. So,
01:06:18
in order to understand why this is
01:06:20
weird, you need to understand a little
01:06:21
bit more about golf and about Bryson.
01:06:24
golf, uh, you have a set of 18 clubs
01:06:27
you're allowed to carry and every club
01:06:29
is typically a different loft and
01:06:31
different length. So the higher the ball
01:06:33
goes, the more lofted it is and the
01:06:35
shorter the club,
01:06:36
>> which is the angle of the head.
01:06:37
>> Yeah.
01:06:37
>> Right. So a 9 iron will have a lot of
01:06:40
loft and will be shorter. And you go all
01:06:42
the way to like a 4iron and it will be
01:06:44
not very lofted to go farther and the
01:06:46
club is longer.
01:06:47
>> When you say the club is, you mean the
01:06:49
head is shorter or longer or the length
01:06:50
of like where the handle is? The length
01:06:52
of the club.
01:06:53
>> Okay. So, every iron has a different
01:06:55
angle and has a different physical
01:06:57
length from ground to hands.
01:06:59
>> Yes. Okay.
01:07:00
>> And that's to give you this smooth
01:07:01
transition from the shortest clubs all
01:07:03
the way to the longest club in the bag,
01:07:04
which is the driver, which has the least
01:07:06
loft. Longest club goes the farthest,
01:07:08
biggest swing.
01:07:09
>> Can I ask a stupid question?
01:07:10
>> Go ahead.
01:07:11
>> Which is the one that I use for mini
01:07:12
golf?
01:07:13
>> You have a putter for mini golf, which
01:07:14
is the shortest club.
01:07:16
>> They're all putters and it goes the
01:07:17
shortest distance. It happens to have
01:07:19
basically no loft. typically actually
01:07:21
has one degree of loss, but we'll ignore
01:07:23
that. So, uh, Bryson is a bit of an
01:07:26
unusual golfer. Bryson has this history
01:07:30
of the last couple years, uh, of really
01:07:32
tweaking his clubs and trying to
01:07:34
optimize his swing because the best
01:07:35
golfers in the world are the most
01:07:37
consistent golfers in the world. And he
01:07:39
is the only one, as far as I know, who
01:07:41
thought, you know, why do all my clubs
01:07:43
have to be different lengths? I'm gonna
01:07:45
have the same grip and the same length
01:07:48
on every single one of my irons, which
01:07:51
doesn't sound that weird, but when you
01:07:52
put the longest and shortest irons next
01:07:54
to each other, you'll realize that
01:07:56
that's really unusual. His shortest
01:07:58
irons are the same length as his longest
01:08:00
irons, so that he can have the same
01:08:01
swing with all of his irons.
01:08:02
>> Why are they different lengths in the
01:08:04
first place?
01:08:04
>> They're all different lengths in the
01:08:05
first place because to hit it further,
01:08:06
you want a longer lever. So, less loft
01:08:09
and longer lever, it all just kind of
01:08:10
smoothly graduates you to the longest
01:08:12
club in the bag. but he's decided to
01:08:14
just have the same exact length for all
01:08:16
of his irons, which is highly unusual.
01:08:18
And he's the only one who would do this
01:08:19
kind of thing because he's kind of the
01:08:20
mad scientist of the golf world of being
01:08:23
willing to try and tinker with new
01:08:25
equipment. So, he's been one of the best
01:08:28
golfers in the world, debatably, but for
01:08:30
the last couple of years, the Masters,
01:08:32
as you point out, very big tournament,
01:08:34
maybe the biggest tournament if you're a
01:08:36
golfer. I'm understating this. It is the
01:08:38
biggest tournament, obviously. Um he
01:08:40
goes to the Masters and apparently one
01:08:43
of this new things he's trying is a 3D
01:08:46
printed 5iron specifically. Uh
01:08:49
>> what makes it called why is it called
01:08:51
five iron?
01:08:52
>> So a 9 iron, an 8 iron, a 7 iron, six
01:08:54
iron, 5 iron are all next to each other
01:08:56
in the bag. The five iron is a very
01:08:58
specific club that typically goes the
01:09:00
same distance every single time. It's
01:09:02
slightly shorter than the 4 iron,
01:09:03
slightly longer than the six iron. For
01:09:05
some reason, just as 5 iron is the one
01:09:07
that 3D printed. Hm.
01:09:09
>> Um, can do you know the specifics of
01:09:11
like how
01:09:13
>> I don't I would imagine it's a lot more
01:09:15
complicated than the 3D printers were
01:09:17
picturing which are like plastic and and
01:09:19
obviously not this is definitely still
01:09:21
metal. The thing also about making clubs
01:09:23
for a tournament like this is every
01:09:25
tournament every club has to be uh
01:09:28
legally allowed and tested. So it has to
01:09:30
pass USJ regulations and so it has to
01:09:33
meet a certain set of requirements for
01:09:34
that. It has to have grooves has to all
01:09:35
this stuff. uh assuming well he played
01:09:38
with it so he got this 3D printed club
01:09:40
approved to be just special enough for
01:09:43
this. The other thing about Bryson is he
01:09:45
is uh he has a YouTube channel. He has
01:09:47
big social media presence and I love him
01:09:50
but he is very easy to make fun of
01:09:52
because he's always messing with his
01:09:53
equipment and have like little tweaks
01:09:55
with his driver and little tweaks with
01:09:56
these clubs that have never been used
01:09:57
before.
01:09:58
>> Uh he goes out to the Masters, he has a
01:10:00
3D printed club. He does not have a good
01:10:01
time. He plays two not that great rounds
01:10:05
and uh doesn't make the cut. So, of
01:10:07
course, they ask him about this club and
01:10:10
uh you know, when he's in a good mood,
01:10:12
he's willing to break down all of the
01:10:14
fun interesting things about his club.
01:10:15
So, when he just missed the cut at the
01:10:16
biggest tournament of the year with
01:10:17
Masters, he's just like, "Ah, yeah, it
01:10:19
didn't didn't work. It wasn't that
01:10:22
good." Uh that's really actually the
01:10:24
tech angle of this which is he literally
01:10:27
tried to 3D print one of his clubs and
01:10:29
make a specialized club just for this
01:10:31
one tournament. Um what I think is even
01:10:34
more interesting is the Masters itself
01:10:37
is the least tech of any golf tournament
01:10:39
in the world and I wanted to
01:10:40
conveniently use this to pivot to that.
01:10:42
>> Okay.
01:10:43
>> Okay. which is uh if you actually go to
01:10:45
the Masters, it is the one sporting
01:10:47
event on Earth, as far as I know, where
01:10:50
smartphones are banned from the entire
01:10:52
grounds the entire time.
01:10:54
>> Isn't that the same with um uh chess? Is
01:10:58
that a sport?
01:10:59
>> Well, okay. That was the thing that
01:11:00
happened like a week or two ago. I don't
01:11:01
think they're allowed on stage with the
01:11:04
competitors. You're saying the entire
01:11:06
event,
01:11:07
>> all the audience, the patrons, all of
01:11:09
the players, everyone there, nobody's
01:11:11
taking photos with their phones because
01:11:13
they're they're banned on. And so when
01:11:15
you see photos of the masters, it is a
01:11:19
golfer hitting a shot and everyone
01:11:20
instead of holding their phones is just
01:11:22
watching.
01:11:23
>> Wow.
01:11:23
>> And it is just such a blast from the
01:11:25
past and a really refreshing weird like
01:11:29
little piece of history. every time they
01:11:32
play the Masters.
01:11:32
>> I gave it a week until they're all
01:11:34
wearing meta glasses.
01:11:35
>> So, that was one of the things that's
01:11:36
actually come up is people are going to
01:11:38
the Masters wearing those smart glasses
01:11:40
and everyone's going, "Hey, we got to
01:11:42
protect Augusta and ban those glasses,
01:11:44
too." Like, we really just need it to be
01:11:46
as pure as possible. Um, so that did
01:11:48
come up quite a bit, but I think they
01:11:49
will probably end up banning those
01:11:51
glasses, too. Uh, it is a little bit
01:11:54
scary slash possibly cultish the way
01:11:56
they protect that course because if you
01:11:59
are a YouTuber for example, YouTube
01:12:01
golf's gotten really big in the last
01:12:02
couple years. Uh, you play all the
01:12:04
biggest courses in the world, but if you
01:12:06
go to play Augusta, no cameras allowed
01:12:08
and you sign an NDA and you can't talk
01:12:10
about it.
01:12:11
>> What?
01:12:11
>> And it's like
01:12:12
>> you can't talk about the course.
01:12:14
>> Yeah. You can't talk about the time that
01:12:15
you played the course. And so there's no
01:12:17
video evidence of it and there's you
01:12:19
sign these NDA. this like this really
01:12:20
weird thing where you see it on TV
01:12:23
>> people there or something.
01:12:24
>> You see it on TV
01:12:25
>> like to me
01:12:25
>> every year on TV this course looks
01:12:28
absolutely perfect. The grass is the
01:12:30
exact same shade of green as all the
01:12:32
chairs that are on the course because
01:12:33
they've matched those things. Like all
01:12:35
of the the scoreboards are in the exact
01:12:38
same places every single year. It's this
01:12:40
almost mythical course where if you ever
01:12:44
do get the chance to go there, you don't
01:12:45
have a camera with you. You don't have
01:12:47
your phone. You just kind of have to
01:12:48
take it in and experience it and go home
01:12:51
and that
01:12:51
>> like the stone ages.
01:12:52
>> Yeah. And that's that's what you leave
01:12:54
with.
01:12:54
>> What is the benefit of that? Is it like
01:12:56
to prevent cheating or something or they
01:12:59
just want to keep this like aura?
01:13:01
>> Definitely creates
01:13:02
>> like just protects the integrity of the
01:13:05
like historical nature of this. It's
01:13:08
it's just the only original golf event
01:13:11
left like that.
01:13:12
>> Isn't there like extremely minimal ads?
01:13:14
Like are there like six sponsors for the
01:13:16
whole thing? And yes, so like the whole
01:13:18
thing is just OG OG.
01:13:21
>> And the thing you brought up about the
01:13:22
food, like the food is still the same
01:13:23
prices that it was 50 years ago. It's
01:13:25
still a dollar for a hot dog for an egg
01:13:28
salad sandwich or something like that.
01:13:29
>> Hilarious because people will go
01:13:30
straight to the merch shop and spend
01:13:32
$1,000 on shirts and hats and stuff
01:13:34
because that's super limited. But a $2
01:13:36
hot dog. So it's it is it is very much a
01:13:39
blast for the past and I appreciate that
01:13:40
about it. Even though I'm a tech person,
01:13:42
I I do want to go to the Masters and
01:13:44
just experience that.
01:13:45
>> Where is it? It's in Georgia.
01:13:46
>> Georgia.
01:13:47
>> Yeah.
01:13:47
>> If anyone from there is listening, your
01:13:49
first video was about golf.
01:13:51
>> My first ever video was about golf. Fun
01:13:53
fact, I did get invited to go to this
01:13:55
masters and I didn't because I wanted to
01:13:58
be here on the pod with you guys.
01:13:59
>> That's not the reason.
01:14:02
>> Wrong choice.
01:14:05
>> I couldn't make it, but I really I hope
01:14:07
I get invited next time cuz it it looks
01:14:09
sick.
01:14:10
>> Can I go one more step off the rails
01:14:12
into the most niche question possible?
01:14:14
>> Yes. I probably could ask you this off
01:14:15
the podcast, but since we're talking
01:14:16
about golf anyways, I'm currently in a
01:14:19
disc golf fantasy league, and we had a
01:14:21
huge argument over the weekend over how
01:14:23
to properly score things.
01:14:31
>> So, if you miss a cut by a lot, you're
01:14:32
going to have a worse day four. If you
01:14:34
pick someone who barely misses the cut,
01:14:35
then you only get penalized a little
01:14:37
bit.
01:14:38
>> That would that would like scale, I
01:14:39
think, properly. We can talk more about
01:14:40
this later because I don't want to
01:14:41
totally but Bo, you're out there
01:14:43
listening. Text text Marquez and I
01:14:46
>> I think it's so cute. You think that's
01:14:47
making it onto the
01:14:50
>> Anyway, the Masters comments. I hope I
01:14:52
get to go someday. Uh Bryson is maybe
01:14:55
the most unrelatable but also relatable
01:14:58
golfer because I'm a tech person. Uh and
01:15:00
he's also a YouTuber so it's kind of a
01:15:02
small world.
01:15:03
>> Uh he is relatable because when I do bad
01:15:05
at things I don't want to talk to anyone
01:15:07
about it.
01:15:07
>> That's facts. Yeah. Totally reasonable.
01:15:09
We all know that person who's like, you
01:15:11
know, participates in a thing but is
01:15:13
actually way more interested in doing
01:15:15
some weird technical tweaky thing. But I
01:15:17
say when I say we all know that person,
01:15:18
I'm
01:15:20
>> We all know Ellis.
01:15:21
>> We all know.
01:15:23
>> Yeah. Anyway, I think it's time for that
01:15:26
last thing we do on every podcast.
01:15:28
>> Go to the Masters.
01:15:30
I wish.
01:15:32
>> This is actually all recorded at the
01:15:33
Masters, so it has to be deleted and we
01:15:35
signed NBA.
01:15:36
>> That would be wild. Would we be allowed
01:15:38
to do a pod from the masters with no
01:15:40
cameras? Like just audio equipment?
01:15:42
>> I don't even
01:15:43
>> Would they allow that?
01:15:44
>> Picture like like this table on the
01:15:47
green
01:15:48
>> like like 6 feet from the hole and they
01:15:50
just have to golf around us while we're
01:15:52
talking.
01:15:53
>> That would be a live golf event.
01:15:55
>> Um Oh my gosh, guys. GoPro between 2016
01:15:59
and 2018 made a thing that was not a
01:16:02
little tiny camera. I mean, yeah, it was
01:16:04
not a little It was not a hero and it
01:16:06
was not a mission. I'm so excited for
01:16:08
that little thing. Um, what was it?
01:16:12
>> I feel like I should know this. What did
01:16:13
they make?
01:16:14
>> What did they make?
01:16:16
>> I think I have a solid educated guess.
01:16:20
>> Nice.
01:16:20
>> Not a liquid educated guess,
01:16:22
>> bro.
01:16:24
>> No, this can't this can't come out of my
01:16:26
fingers.
01:16:28
>> Depending on what's in this podcast,
01:16:30
that's going to be really confusing. is
01:16:31
I mean we did record that conversation.
01:16:33
Andrew's referencing a conversation we
01:16:34
had before the podcast where we were
01:16:35
discussing what five liquids we would
01:16:37
have dispensed from each of our fingers.
01:16:39
Uh which you will never hear.
01:16:41
>> Yes.
01:16:42
>> I have a feeling it's going to make
01:16:43
somebody mad.
01:16:45
>> This is probably Ellis or Adam.
01:16:49
>> All right. Who wants who wants to go
01:16:51
first?
01:16:52
>> I'm so mad at Marquez already.
01:16:54
>> I picked one that's probably not the
01:16:55
answer you want, but maybe also
01:16:57
technically correct. Mhm.
01:16:58
>> They made an underwater housing for the
01:17:01
GoPro.
01:17:01
>> Not what I was looking.
01:17:02
>> The original GoPros needed waterproof
01:17:04
housing. Correct.
01:17:05
>> Exactly. They sure did.
01:17:06
>> This was not the answer.
01:17:07
>> So, that's just part of the action
01:17:08
camera, isn't it?
01:17:10
>> Probably a product that GoPro made
01:17:11
that's not the camera, but it is.
01:17:14
>> Am I Am I that pedantic with these
01:17:16
questions? Have I ever Let's see what
01:17:17
the other kick you out of a
01:17:19
>> Yes.
01:17:20
>> Really?
01:17:20
>> I might be the most correct. Let's see
01:17:21
what they say.
01:17:22
>> My theory was GoPro makes a bunch of
01:17:24
stuff for people who do action sports
01:17:26
that generally wear a helmet. So maybe
01:17:28
they made some sort of headphones that
01:17:29
work well with helmets.
01:17:30
>> That's really interesting. But I don't
01:17:32
think they ever made headphones.
01:17:34
>> Uh mine is obviously not true
01:17:37
>> because I covered phones for like 15
01:17:39
years and I don't remember this, but I
01:17:41
put phones.
01:17:41
>> You don't remember the GoPro phone?
01:17:44
>> I don't know. They might have done some
01:17:45
weird collab with some I don't know my
01:17:49
two or some weirder phones.
01:17:50
>> I was referencing the GoPro Karma
01:17:53
>> which was a video. We did do a video on
01:17:55
that.
01:17:57
I knew it.
01:17:59
>> We did. Yeah.
01:18:00
>> Yeah.
01:18:00
>> Drone.
01:18:01
>> Yeah.
01:18:03
>> Okay.
01:18:03
>> Oh, come on, guys. You can't be mad that
01:18:05
I'm not giving
01:18:06
>> a drone is a camera, though.
01:18:07
>> That's why I was like when I was like,
01:18:08
it wasn't a little tiny camera. Then I
01:18:10
was like, but it
01:18:11
>> kind of is a little tiny camera.
01:18:13
>> Gotcha.
01:18:15
>> Quick update on the score. Uh Marquez
01:18:17
with 21 after that incorrect answer.
01:18:19
Andrew with 22 after getting that one
01:18:21
wrong. And David with 25 after not
01:18:24
getting the correct answer. Thanks.
01:18:26
>> Okay, Mr.
01:18:29
>> Next question. 32 degrees C is what in
01:18:33
Fahrenheit? I'm accepting the answer to
01:18:36
the nearest tenth of a decimal point
01:18:38
without going over.
01:18:40
>> Can we just do delta?
01:18:41
>> Nope.
01:18:43
>> It's so easy. Oh, this is so easy.
01:18:45
>> I never said it was.
01:18:47
>> No, both of them were just backwards.
01:18:49
>> I was wrong.
01:18:50
>> That was my original question. Then I
01:18:52
>> Can you say one more time? Now I'm
01:18:53
confused. 32 degrees C is what in
01:18:56
Fahrenheit?
01:18:56
>> Okay. Do you remember the formula?
01:18:58
>> Oh, wait. Uh, I don't remember the
01:18:59
formula. I remember part of the formula.
01:19:02
>> Oh, I wish.
01:19:03
>> Flip them and read. What do you got?
01:19:04
>> What? Oh, that's a Is there a decimal in
01:19:06
your number?
01:19:06
>> Yes.
01:19:07
>> Sorry, that's a decimal.
01:19:09
>> That's Kelvin.
01:19:12
>> Okay. Uh, Mark has you first.
01:19:14
>> I said 98.6.
01:19:17
>> Oh, I was going to say that's a really
01:19:18
good guess cuz we were talking about
01:19:19
body temperature.
01:19:20
>> That is a really good guess.
01:19:21
>> I wrote 101.5.
01:19:23
That's like a radio station.
01:19:24
>> It is a really bad one in New Jersey.
01:19:27
>> They're all bad
01:19:27
>> losers. Whoa, whoa, whoa. New Jersey is
01:19:30
home to one of the nation's greatest
01:19:32
radio stations. I'm talking about WFU,
01:19:34
okay? Or WFMU. That's it. WFMU.
01:19:37
>> Don't talk smack about New Jersey radio.
01:19:39
If you're
01:19:40
>> WH
01:19:41
>> WFMU,
01:19:42
>> never mind.
01:19:42
>> It's okay. I like 96.9 The Eagle out of
01:19:45
Sacramento, California. Classic rock.
01:19:47
>> All right, David, what'd you put?
01:19:48
>> I put 74 degrees.
01:19:50
>> Wrong. But you get the points because
01:19:52
you didn't go over.
01:19:53
>> Is it just under Marquez? So I wrote in
01:19:55
the bottom how previously we talked
01:19:57
about how
01:19:57
>> like 94
01:19:58
>> the 82° F felt like 28° C. So I was
01:20:03
trying to go with an approximation with
01:20:04
that.
01:20:05
>> Well, that was completely wrong.
01:20:07
>> Well, I'm assuming it was still basing
01:20:09
it off of the 82. Maybe not exactly, but
01:20:12
slightly different temperature
01:20:13
>> because of the wind factor.
01:20:14
>> Marquez had all the right digits just in
01:20:16
the wrong
01:20:17
>> order.
01:20:17
>> Order. It was 89.6.
01:20:20
Oh,
01:20:21
>> damn. I went high.
01:20:22
>> I just thought it strikes again.
01:20:24
>> The Okay. Isn't the calculation like
01:20:27
times 5 9th + 12 or something?
01:20:31
>> Degrees in Fahrenheit - 32 * 5 9th gives
01:20:35
you Celsius. Got it?
01:20:36
>> So, you have to do that backwards to get
01:20:38
>> So, times 95sUS 32
01:20:43
>> just for that. I'm never using WhatsApp.
01:20:47
>> Wait, what? Why we should just Google it
01:20:50
anyway?
01:20:50
>> Why? Uh yeah,
01:20:52
>> cuz Celsius people don't
01:20:53
>> Celsius people
01:20:55
>> people use it.
01:20:56
>> Oh yeah,
01:20:56
>> you know everyone else.
01:21:00
>> Thanks for
01:21:01
>> referring to non-Americans as people and
01:21:04
WhatsApp. It's
01:21:05
>> WhatsApp users are tell me I'm wrong.
01:21:07
>> You know, you've never been more right.
01:21:10
>> Thank you for watching and listening to
01:21:12
this episode of uh the golf podcast. Um
01:21:15
>> ball golf podcast.
01:21:16
>> The ball golf podcast. the original
01:21:18
golf, obviously. Um, yeah, we'll be back
01:21:22
for more in April. Still,
01:21:26
>> April fools.
01:21:27
>> See you. See you next time. It's going.
01:21:30
Bye.
01:21:30
>> Wait for you. Do it.
01:21:33
>> No.
01:21:34
>> Here, I'll do it like
01:21:41
the Fox Media Podcast Network. And our
01:21:44
intro intro music is made by Fade Sil.
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Go.
01:21:56
>> If you could have five liquids come out
01:21:59
of each of your fingers,
01:22:00
>> I had I had this conversation. Uh,
01:22:02
>> does it have to be your dominant hand?
01:22:04
>> No. Non-dominant hand, which five would
01:22:06
you pick?
01:22:06
>> Water.
01:22:07
>> Coke. Zero. Uh, a lot.
01:22:10
>> You can get water anywhere. Yeah. Yeah.
01:22:12
>> Yeah. But any anytime
01:22:15
water run just
01:22:16
>> where's the water coming from?
01:22:18
>> Yeah.
