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are you going to ask K uh Jean Wilders Willie wono is it a musical no we're not doing
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this right now very important Sim simmer on it and then after the podcast we we'll catch up no what do you mean it's
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not a musical [Laughter] guys is it the only stuff they sing the
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like Oompa Loompa stuff no we can't I shouldn't have done
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what is up people of the internet welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts I'm
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Marquez I'm Andrew and I'm David I I didn't I just realized I didn't plan an
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intro for this episode why it's Friday it's just a normalis a normal episode well yeah but like the the last one of
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the year like the big finale one I felt like I we should have like a thing to to
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get into it maybe we should look at our outline uh okay does that have anything
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intro related in here I feel like it doesn't um oh what do I hear in the distance what
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that noise a falcon is Crying In Space why
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anyway this is the waveform awards episode yay basically in this episode
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we're going to go over the past I don't know M mainly 2023 but possibly also the
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lifetime of this podcast oh wow we did episode 200 recently yeah the episode 200 passed recently we're going to go
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over some of our favorite moments some of our like less chaotic moments our favorite guests things of
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that nature uh so if you don't care about that now's your time to leave well leave us running and then just don't
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listen to yeah just leave it running and walk away and go engagement yeah so you guys could take it from here or you could leave it running and walk away if
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you're listening because then you can do both at the same time true and your dishes there is that guy who always has to do his dishes while this so shouts
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out also we launched the the special episode back in mid December the bonus
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episode with clat town and there was a guy that tweeted at us that said I only run when I listen to the waveform
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podcast so I love when you guys do the bonus episodes cuz it forces me to be more active nice oh wow that's hilarious
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yeah got to get your steps in I love that that's awesome but yeah so this is the waveform we're just calling it the
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waveform awards show kind of an end of year recap in a fun way I think Adam and
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Ellis have made a bunch of different questions and things about this year things about the podcast and we're all going to say our favorites or what ever
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they have it's a bunch of fun questions and uh yeah let's recap Let's uh hit the Nostalgia train a little bit Yeah
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highlight real highlight me up Scotty so first question what is one hot take that
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you wish you could take back that just Dives right in does are you are you setting me up or Marquez what is one hot
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take that you wish you could take back I'd like to take this moment to apologize this is like the fourth time
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you've done absolutely nobody no I'm kidding obviously I would take back Nissan never made a track car I
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recently watched a a real somebody made of it's like a highlight reel like me saying to you do you know how many times
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I've been tagged in that and I just don't feel like bringing it up cuz yeah it's me going like Nissan I don't think they had a track car and you're going
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like I think some people disagree and then a highlight reel of 45
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seconds of Nissan track cars oh my God it's I felt I felt too bad showing it to
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you but I get sent that every week it's good see that it's pretty great that's amazing so um I'm going to put that one
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at the top that's for me it was the top post on our cars I'll never live it down no matter how much I learn about cars
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for the rest of my life I'm sorry that will just haunt me for the rest of time so good on you for apologizing or like
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taking it back it's yeah I'm not going to say anything but I don't want to be I
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would love to see that highlight I'll show it to you later I feel like I can hear the music that's behind exactly the
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Tok it's it's great oh you looking for I can't believe this
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is how hot we started the episode this so yeah how many views does that have uh
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this is on YouTube it's got 2500 views I'm sure it's got the one inst tter Instagram yeah yeah probably I'll
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probably never get any on cars listen if if that's the clip that people are taking from you out of 10 plus years
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online can as like your worst take I'm cancel for sure I think that's a glowing
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achievement maybe not to the Nissan Community but yeah I let them down for sure you have to buy a GTR now that's
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only fair it's only fair it's only fair yeah that's mine anything any other
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hot takes you guys would like to I mean we're supposed to all answer all of these all five of us so if you can think of any mine is also car related okay uh
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yeah I'm pretty you know I got I got a comment that shook me to my soul core
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Soul core Soul core core cycle um yeah on the there was a you know the clip we
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posted of the Cyber truck um the or the episode right after we got the Cyber
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truck someone commented we've lost Ellis frowny face cuz you liked it a little
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yeah cuz I liked it a little you know and you regret it a little bit yeah you
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know because looking back I really it really did turn me the truck into an
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11-year-old which is you know when I'm on camera I try to act like an adult and
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just be yourself you got to stand by it you know like The Stand By Me Go I was waiting for that it's about it's about
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principle and I do really believe that the Cyber truck as cool as it is also
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sucks so wait that could happen that's a huge difference you from before no that's
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what I'm saying I was like really excited about this thing oh yeah but what sucks though it's GNA kill
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someone they all will no no no no no this one the Cyber truck is going to kill someone worse and hard
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you mean like in some unique cybertruck way in a blunt way in a way that other people wouldn't have died you mean you
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know it's like it's like if if you put spikes on your car and then we're like cars are already dangerous you know it'd
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be like yeah but honestly that's a good argument there spikes on your car you know touche yeah so that's I think this
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might be the hotter there's no shade to anyone who is into the Cyber truck because again it's really cool but uh to
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to all my my bike riders and my my uh my street narrow and my uh Park Builders
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out there I'll see you on the streets you haven't lost me cash me outside I'm still with you what was so funny is
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after they commented that I tried to be like all cheeky and be like I'll never live this down LOL and then they just
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replied you chose your side they're like we know we know the TR you I love it
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Andre I think you should go now so my problem with having hot takes is I read too many comments and get way too
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worried about what somebody's going to say that my takes are
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so like I just don't have a lot of hot takes because I argue with myself in my head too much but I did throw something
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in here that I just got completely wrong once and got a bunch of comments about okay and I think it's reasonably
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confusing that I got it wrong but it was my take on that we probably won't ever see the Fisker ocean because Fisker just
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felt like this strange car company that I thought I died already MH and I'm
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partially right Fisker Automotive died in 2014 then they made the karma Rivero out of
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the Fisker Karma but then Fisker Incorporated restarted and they're
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actually pretty popular I believe in Amsterdam but also other countries and not only that they're out there Brandon
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sent a picture of one on the road the other dayis ocean they're shipping them so I'm just completely wrong about that
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I do think the Ocean looks cool completely most I think it is reasonably confusing but I should have been right
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about it on the podcast when we talked about it and I always thought thought the ocean was cool I just didn't think I
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was going to see it I also just want to say in 2017 I interviewed John Fisker at CES for Android authority which makes
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absolutely zero sense whatsoever did the car have no so because of that he must
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have been really really hoping for any media attention whatsoever which makes me think that I was also sure none of
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these were ever going to ship yeah so at that point it seems I think 2016 is when Fisker Incorporated restarted and so
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they've been around for a while and the cars have been coming out more recently I believe I haven't got that much deeper
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into this but I was wrong about it it wasn't a hot take but it was one that I wish I was more it's understandable
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corre me structurally yeah yeah Lord toown all those car manufacturers like
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no we're not I feel bad that I put it in with all of them and they're already on the the road right here they' already
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made a bunch of stuff that was hot gas though that's the thing they have a history of being hot gas the funny thing
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is is if you search Fisker cars on Google the first Wikipedia page that comes up is Fisker automotive and you
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click it and right in the sidebar it says defunct 2014 and then you scroll down a little farther the logo is also
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the same but anyways I don't want to make give excuses it reminds me of no like it's so one of those amibas that
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like breaks off into a new one because the company bought the rights to the name and reappears as a new company but
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it's Got Talent from The Old Company I I'm not going to say anything more because I'll probably be wrong about it I've already made them that's fair all
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right that's a good that's a good one so the three of yours are all about cars yeah I know nothing about cars that I've
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never pretended to so you cannot get mad at me for knowing nothing about cars fair you stick to Tech I'm making non
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educated guesses about cars yeah um I don't know I I I I make I make hot ticks
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that and I don't regret them you know you just you just stick with them there's none that you've gotten bullied about relentlessly that there I mean
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you're going to get bullied by anything you talk about I didn't I was racking my brain for this for this answer and I
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don't remember really any take that I was like wow was completely off Bas on that it's funny cuz I'm sure we all have had
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pretty random hot takes that you just don't really remember um so if anyone's
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out there and wants to correct David yeah please there a tool I found called pods scribe which lets you look through
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and search in plain text the transcript of every podcast we've ever recorded and if you make an account you can you can
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search hot take and just oh get the time stamp and actually start playing the
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exact moment any of us have ever said the words hot take ever on this here's a hot take if you have to preface your hot
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take by saying hot take out loud it's probably not that hot of a take and you're just looking for attention wow
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that felt mean at the end I'm sorry stick it stick Landing if you want a real definitive hot take you just say it
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with Charisma right there spew it out which I have none of but my hot take that I regret I said that Clubhouse was
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going to make a come back you did say that I was very wrong you did say that that is a really that's brutal that's
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just embarrassing I can't believe you brought that back up next question even Karma came back and yeah Clubhouse
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couldn't couldn't pull the same trick calling this one called it this was Ellis's idea something you were completely right about I'll start this
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one because I was never wrong with anything obviously go go on the comments
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on this are going to be insane um okay I got the Humane AI pin price exactly
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correct oh yeah you did get the pin correct you do get a lot of price predictions right price starting price not including subscription but I think
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that's what we should count yeah and then uh we made a bet on whether or not the iPhone 15 regular model would get
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the dynamic island or not uh and how long that that would take to move over and I said it would and it did so I was
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correct on that called it I was probably wrong about a lot of other stuff I was definitely St never ever
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yeah do you want to go Marquez I think we all know which one you're going to say I am struggling because you said
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something we're completely right about oh we don't technically know this one yet in this exact moment in time as we
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record this I don't know if I'm completely right holy wait this is a good point Sorry say what you want to say and then so so we had this bet
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months ago cyber truck would deliver by the end of the year on episode 176 and I said it would you guys said it wouldn't
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I was right but 2 yeah then we said well we need to Define delivered by the end of year cuz what if it's just a small
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event and 10 Tesla employees get it and then they say they delivered them mhm and then that's exactly what happened oh
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so in November there was a t was it November November 30th at the end of
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November there was a small event where Tesla hand delivered the first probably 10 to 15 cyber trucks at least one of
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them went to a non- Tesla employee that I know Alexis Ohanian so that's one but
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we defined it as 25 mhm and I don't know that I can say for sure that there's 25
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by the end of the year so in the in the broad sense of things where you guys thought no way cyber
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truck3 I believe I was on your side that was our side but then in the other side they were just like no shot no I thought
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it I thought it was going to be like 30 I think it was barely going to hit that zoomed out perspective I called it it's
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out cyber trucks on the road but you know you still might hit also stuck in a pile of snow on the side of a road yeah
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I have so many thoughts odly enough this was I called it too yeah that that cyber truck will not deliver 25 yeah it's
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right now it is as recording this the oh wow this episode's going out though right at the end of the year so we will
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kind of know if it actually happens we're recording a little earlier so there's a little bit of time but not as much as I would have thought would we
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consider there's only one delivery out right now well there's a bunch of unknown deliveries out because we don't
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know the people who took the deliveries on stage other than one of them all the one videos we're seeing in the wild have
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that what does it say RC on the side RC is the release candidate trucks that they were testing the ones that are out
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now are Foundation series and have their own badging but so what I'm saying is generally we can tell there's a somewhat
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of an amount out when we see people like I saw the Cyber truck but every in the wild video we've seen has the RC on the
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side yeah so you have to see like there's pictures of Alexis's truck on the internet now it has the little like
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two-headed monster thing like the the cyberbeast whatever I don't know why it's a new logo but that Foundation
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series is the first thousand cyber trucks okay so that's that you'll have to see that and try to infer from how
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many emails saying prepare for delivery so it could happen before the end of the year it could we're getting close though
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we're getting real close you may find out the day this gets uploaded I think I agreed with you thinking the event is like end of October start of November so
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we're a little tight now right um this is my thing I wrote down I don't
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know if I'm completely right about it because we we haven't seen it out but there was a point before we learned we
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know very little about the rivian R2 now but we know some stuff about it right M I said like a hope list I had for it and
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what what it would be if I bought it and I would buy it right away okay and I believe most of those things seem like
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that's where it's headed it was basically like smaller size still has a front trunk has dual motors has at least
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300 miles of range um oh yeah and under 60,000 under 60,000 and keeps its boxy
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shape because so many people like doing crossover and making it like really like aggressive and I don't love that I feel
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like the $60,000 price thing we will not know until it's actually yeah yeah every
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car has gone way up but everything you've mentioned is some sort of a Target that someone at R since I said it originally yeah so not
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for sure but like I'm not very good at predictions or usually I'm picking the silly predictions so that's the only
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thing I could really think of that maybe could go correct mhm yeah and I still hope that happens but now I think
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they're saying 2028 when it comes out okay so we have some time
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28 no 26 26 it's only 23 26 I think it's
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26 which still feels far away yeah I see Ellis typing away here so he's 2026 is
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the rumor 2026 okay still further away than I would have hoped but I don't think I can really contribute anything
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here I I got a lot wrong this year oh okay what' you go wrong uh I thought
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last season I thought Luca donich was going to have an 80o game not even close wait did you see the video of the guy
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Courtside going like Luka give me a clip for Tik Tok oh yeah and and then they're
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like I think his Defender is like talking back to the guy and then like luuka gets it and like shoves him off
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and like throws a fade away if that was his 80th point I would be pretty excited but uh yeah also uh definitely spoke a
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lot on this very podcast about the Humane pin uh never coming out out uh I
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guess it still technically hasn't still out I think the ship has sailed on that one they never actually gave like a
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release date they just pre took pre-orders yeah but it does seem it seems like it's going to come out seems
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real yeah it's it hasn't gotten any further in the process than the Tesla Roadster did think about it that's true
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that's fair that's totally fair pre-orders and has more press people
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seen the Cyber truck than the pin oh the Roadster you mean no the cyber truck cuz
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only like four or five way more people have seen the Cyber truck than the pin cuz it's out testing in the
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wild I mean like like I've like press people have covered it like uh I don't
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want to call us reporters but um yeah that's a small handful for the Cyber
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okay maybe I'll take it back you know maybe Luca dropping 80 was my big truth L this year but um hey The Season's not
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over yeah this season no it was for last season it was POS for last season even though he seems more primed to do it
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anyway also this feels dumb but 80 points Inna single game yeah okay that
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includes assists that would be the second highest no it' be the third highest scoring game of all time well to
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make you feel better he's probably had at least one game of being responsible for 80 points I do appreciate it probably had like a 40 and 12 night or
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something weird i' I'd like to formally apologize to our audience for making this briefly a basketball podcast yeah
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we're back sorry anyway next next did did we did we get everyone for things we got right right I think that's
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everything yeah what did Adam get no he thinks the Cyber truck thing is right yeah that was we both think
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C next thing it's been a crazy year uh we talk a lot on this podcast about our
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2023 Bingo cards and while at the beginning of the year we never actually make such cards we want to know what was
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the one thing that was least on your hypothetical bingo card for this year do
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a leap at interviewing Tim Cook wait yeah I also did you guys same I think it
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was after the post came out but I was like I can't believe du leipa asked Tim Cook about like Cobalt Mining and you
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were like wait what she did it was genuinely amazing cuz you can tell like Tim Cook went into this being like nice
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a good softball interview with a pop star what could go wrong and it started
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that way too it was like what's a day in the life of Tim Cook like and he was like well I wake up at 5:00 a.m. I work
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out I read customer emails and I'm very inspired and she's like that's so cool
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what about the mind just went right into it it was so good I loved watching to DOA come on our podcast so
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we can talk about the prep for That interview because I need the tips that was amazing yeah that that was a fake answer for me by the way I actually
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generally was not expecting that so there's that but I think the biggest thing is I was never in a bazillion
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years thinking Apple was going to adopt RCS before they were forced to yeah that's a really good point that was the
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number one thing for me I never thought it also it really felt like it came out of nowhere like it did you know the
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reason why no so so the the EU designated a number of Gatekeepers for specific types
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of applications so like social media messaging all of this stuff and originally Apple was not designated as a
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gatekeeper initially for messaging because in the EU iMessage is not that okay not that big but they did say it is
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a potential gatekeeper and they they launched an vation to determine whether it was a gatekeeper and the day that
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they announced that they were going to add RCS was the final day that they had to say to like make up reasons why they
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weren't a gatekeeper so they pushed that out at the very end there man yeah yeah
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so they're eu2 Apple zero I think that Apple just likes to get ahead of the
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things that they're going to be forced to do like they did the same thing with USBC that's what I was going to say up
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until they actually showed it on stage I was so 5050 on weather would actually happen that's actually a good answer for
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this as well I didn't actually cuz we've been talking about it probably episode
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one of the podcast we talked about USBC on the iPhone at some point yeah they were literally going to be forced to
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eventually though so it was unclear whether or not they would be forced to use RCS Well Ellis thought they were
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just going to eliminate ports completely I honestly that's another thing I was I really said that I didn't Ru it out it
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was hard to rule it out and ironically they deemed that iMessage is not G keeper so I'm not sure whether that's
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because they decided to add RCS I that would be a huge reason for sure but it's also like part of the reason that the EU
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said they're not is because they're not popular enough that's one of the reasons they said such a burn it's so funny that
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like he yeah hearing that Apple's not popular enough depending on where you live is like totally unbelievable or
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extremely believable like for us that's wild right it's it's like when Microsoft
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was trying to buy blizzard and the EU was like I don't know about this like aren't you guys both huge gaming companies and Microsoft was like our gam
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suck that's true we need we're not nearly as popular
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another thing that definitely was not on my bingo card was Final Cut Pro coming to the iPad I don't I just never thought
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it was kind of on my bingo card that it would be bad fair but I just thought they would
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never even entertain the idea like one of those things like what do you mean we're do like a weather app on the iPad
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all right maybe in some future and they did it and then I was like okay maybe Final Cut Pros next they did that too
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what about the timer on the iPad did they ever do that never happening what the other thing they don't have no they have the they have the I thought it was
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the timer on like Siri no they have get multiple timers so on thep calculator
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the calculator doing thep that still didn't happen calculator app and we're never getting an Instagram iPad it's
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just never happening I feel like the calculator thing is just like such a running joke now they're not going to do
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it just because they want to maintain the joke they're going to have a slow press month one day and be like ship it
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didn't they make a reference to it in dubdub this year I think right there was like a reference to not having a calculator he said we truly no it was
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for two timers when they added being able to do multiple timers he uh Craig federi said we truly live in an age of w
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yeah I did say that yeah wow good memory
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David um I'm going to steal one of David's here because I feel very strongly about it as well um I did not
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have Reddit killing all third party apps and turning into an absolute disgrace of
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a website still works yeah but you have to pay for it now I do pay for it
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okay um oh yeah I just didn't expect one of my favorite websites on the internet
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to just be killed pretty much I barely use Reddit anymore I rarely use it it's like at this point since I don't have my
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login anymore I have to go into the app and search for something specific like if I want to look up something about the
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devils like the hockey team I'll just go to the devil's subreddit that's the only time I use it there's like I do not
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endlessly scroll it anymore which used to take up a lot of my time yeah yeah and it does not anymore I saw these I
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don't know if you guys have been getting this but on YouTube they will now serve you like one every one out of every like
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10 videos they'll serve you a video that has like less than 100 views for happens to Mariah a lot to me every time you
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have to just fall for it once this did happen and do you know video I got I got Ellis unboxing some Japanese like uh did
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you get that two days ago no I got it today yeah because I made it public yesterday whoa huh huh but uh that's
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fast I also started so I started getting those like videos with like 150 views and I also started getting like 19c
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videos just cuz if I if I click on one then it's like oh you like Vines oh
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we've got reuploaded Vines we got a lot more where that came from but the like less than 100 views ones when we you were talking about you don't use Reddit
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anymore really as much and so like I'm like so what does he reconstitute that time as I saw this this YouTube video
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that was like I quit all social media for three months and here's how it went and then the next video was called I'm
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addicted to YouTube got a huge backlog and then the third video was called I finally quit
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all social media and YouTube Jes like damn YouTube will really they'll really
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track you down with that well just it just shows that like you can like get off of one thing but your brain wants to
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be busy and it will find a way to keep itself busy yeah my bingo card surprise
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space uh was Spike the AI Mini Cooper dog yeah I totally forgot about that
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dude is still stuck in myi that thing is stuck in my brain is
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that this year this year that's out the they never brought it up ever again really it's going to be in the electric
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Mini Cooper every now eler yeah he every now and then will I mean maybe he's might assistant too
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right yeah every now and then you see him in like the little corner of a marketing material but I haven't there's
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no news stories I think it was right after chat GPT like came out and everyone decided to make their own AI
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assistant cuz like it was an AI assistant dog right it it was an A and it twerked and it twerked it
00:26:21
looked like a little Jelly Bean going off of something similar to that something I was never expecting was a
00:26:27
bunch of celebrities to offer their likeness to be the like AI chatbot and
00:26:32
then not even use their name for meta that was the weirdest thing that I honestly thought we were getting punked
00:26:38
when that was happening Mr P the funny guy or the Chris Paul the golfer yeah
00:26:45
some weird like like not even matching what they actually are expert at yeah it was weird Kendall whoever that was like
00:26:52
your BFF who tells it like it is so I forgot about that shout out to AI still
00:26:57
have that you can still use it oh my God they paid so much money for a feature that nobody is going to use I I meta if
00:27:06
if one of your employees is is is watching this let me know how many people use this product I want to know
00:27:11
there's at least seven of them yeah at least at least at least the seven YouTubers who made videos about it I was
00:27:17
going to say there's more than seven people that work at meta damn my thing that I did not have
00:27:23
on my bingo card was the LG standby me how could you there's no way I could have predicted that kind of Hardware LG
00:27:30
is the one to do it yeah also Ellis is holding it basically the briefcase Wing
00:27:35
I've got to say briefcase Tech is hot this year briefcase Tech Moto compa it's
00:27:41
so good that's that's a totally fair point briefcase Tech even though it's only two two things it could blow up
00:27:47
next year we could get four things next year we could get crazy briefcase Tech we could get what what else could you put in a briefcase we should get a
00:27:53
briefcase uh that's really they used that brief they used to have briefcase cones before
00:27:59
cell phones it was like an early cell phone now briefcase computer is seems like the obvious one that was also a
00:28:04
thing IBM head briefcase computers bring that back modern form more of a like gaming PC like so I can go to
00:28:12
Starbucks full 49 Asus well inside of it yeah there's enough room in there to fit
00:28:17
exactly briefcase camera briefcase camera I don't think a single camera
00:28:23
can't fit in a you'd have to do like a really large format camera my camera is you're talking David so my 4x5 is
00:28:29
already kind of in a briefcase cuz it does it does it does unfold like this and expand out you never know 2024 could
00:28:37
be the year of the briefcase keep an eye on that year of it's like you're the dog you're the hen year of the
00:28:43
briefcase what's your zodiac stand I'm a briefcase well we got
00:28:50
a lot more to to look back at real quick we're going to take a quick break and we're going to come back and keep
00:28:56
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00:30:09
episode um okay what's the next topic we got to do news story we didn't get to
00:30:15
but that we wish we got to talk about this a fun one did anything did anything come up because we have a whole slack
00:30:21
Channel and we drop news in there when we think it's worth talking about and we have conversations at the studio did anything slip by and not get talked
00:30:30
about that should have I'm going to preface this by saying I'm usually the one who writes the outline and then
00:30:35
gives it to David to fill in so it's we can talk about whatever we want whenever we want because we write the outline for
00:30:41
it so it doesn't happen as often um there's probably some times I would have liked to talk about final Mouse screwing
00:30:48
stuff up because I love to and I don't like them at all but yeah that probably just makes me sound salty so I just
00:30:54
saved it for right now now I can sound salty and I talked a lot about the OnePlus keyboard and I wanted to talk
00:31:00
about it when we tried it but we never got one or ordered one so I did really want to try that cuz we did talk about
00:31:06
it a lot but I never got to try it so yeah if OnePlus if you're out there I'd love to try it it looks pretty cool yeah
00:31:12
we tend to go over most of the big news stories um especially since we write the episodes but um what I did notice is I I
00:31:19
listen to hard Fork a lot which is a great um podcast by the New York Times with Casey Newton and Kevin R and they
00:31:26
both live in San Francisco so a lot of the news stories that they cover are like smaller SF Tech stories that are
00:31:33
hilarious a lot of those yeah soever there you have all these like driverless car issues because there's whmo and
00:31:39
cruise that are in SF and people are like putting cones on top of driverless cars and cars are dragging people across
00:31:45
the road and yeah we talk about some of that stuff when it makes like national news but when it's like a smaller like M
00:31:50
more localized Town news kind of thing um especially out of San Francisco where it's all technology news it's pretty fun
00:31:57
so I wish New York had more drama heavy Tech Stories We Wish driverless cars were causing more chaos in New York yeah
00:32:05
exactly Marquez stuff that I wish to I I think we usually do talk about big news
00:32:11
but we did kind of miss one uh which is that the New York
00:32:17
Empire had their second straight undefeated season and won their second championship
00:32:23
in a row and I feel like we just we didn't even talk about it why do I feel
00:32:29
like we had like a guest or something after that I feel like we did talk about it very quickly I don't know or maybe
00:32:36
just we did the episode that week and you were gone we said you were doing that's prob what it was it might have been that yeah I was there so that might
00:32:42
have been why yeah I wasn't so that's why you want to talk about it so bad I
00:32:47
was there yeah oh shoot you got see them when how many wins in a row is that
00:32:53
now 29 I think how many are in a season regular season like 14 well playoffs
00:33:01
also yeah yeah and you didn't win any the previous season you didn't win the
00:33:07
championship the previous season we lost in the finals the previous season and you've had 29 straight wins correct and
00:33:13
even before that play EMP how did you um do the season before that besides losing
00:33:20
like we won the championship before and how many games did you win lose in that season we also went undefeated That season so you're like 47 and one in the
00:33:29
last three seasons something around there somewhere around there I think we might have lost
00:33:35
no I think this the year that we won the championship we didn't go undefeated sorry I was wrong about that one the
00:33:41
2021 or the 2019 we didn't go undefeated that year but we did win the championship but then we lost some the
00:33:47
year after that and then have had two straight undefeated Seasons since then because there's a CO Wild Man I mean
00:33:53
they the Empire the team you really like so I just feel like you know shout out to the
00:33:58
Empire they did it they did a great job I hope they win some more games this year yeah they and then we can talk
00:34:04
about them anything else yeah at the beginning of the year someone published a paper and I can't remember the exact
00:34:10
details and I had trouble finding the paper was it telegram or signal no so signal did this in response to the paper
00:34:17
like a few months later and it was just sort of like a broad cyber security thing but uh it seems like we're getting
00:34:23
closer and closer to what's called Q day which is where Quantum oh boy oh
00:34:32
boy here we go again no um we're getting closer and closer to the day when
00:34:38
quantum computers have enough processing power to make uh passwords irrelevant
00:34:45
effectively oh encryption irrelevant oh we talked about yes key encrytion
00:34:51
encryption yeah yeah um but we're not there yet and uh and I wish I could find the paper and it was was the kind of
00:34:57
thing where when it the paper came out I was not big brained enough to like you
00:35:02
know feel like we could communicate it and then other news happened and it kind of just passed away and the year had
00:35:08
lots of developments anyway maybe it's a long form episode for the future can I ask a question about this that maybe you
00:35:13
don't know or maybe it's dumb on my side but if where this is because Computing
00:35:19
is becoming so powerful that would essentially be able to brute force a password so quickly that it doesn't even
00:35:26
in a reason here's my understanding of it right is that at the root of what makes passwords
00:35:35
secure in the way we use them now is you're using prime numbers that have
00:35:40
millions of digits so you need other numbers uh that are really hard to find
00:35:46
that have hundreds of thousands of digits and you multiply them together so in order to just crack that yeah you
00:35:51
need to do it like tons of times but with Quantum Computing you could now have if and or statements much easier uh
00:36:00
in in your code so it's you it takes a lot less energy cuz you're working with
00:36:05
possibilities to well which brings me to my question where aren't the majority of
00:36:10
passwords have lockout precautions is it being brute forced so like see this is
00:36:15
why I need to so I feel like is that not the main reason and I don't understand encryption also so I don't know
00:36:21
understand how that would potentially get there but like I can't I have to change my password so many times that I
00:36:27
get locked out of my own accounts all the time the version the version of this story that I remember because I went to
00:36:33
the IBM lab with Cleo when we shot that quantum computer video is that encryption not necessarily passwords but
00:36:40
encryption is it works a certain way and quantum computers are getting more and
00:36:46
more powerful and increasing the number of cubits in each quantum computer at a rate that if we eventually get to this
00:36:53
number of cubits it will be able to crack normal prime number encryption
00:36:58
methods yeah reasonably quickly okay by the time we get to that powerful level
00:37:04
we will have switched encryption methods yeah okay cuz cuz a lot of modern encryption relies on factoring prime
00:37:11
numbers that was the paper is is some some researchers in China figured out the new fastest way to do prime
00:37:18
factorization okay so this is encryption not someone trying to hack my Instagram account and cubits aren't binary they
00:37:25
can be one zer a superposition of both and so they're able to factor prime numbers way way faster so instead of
00:37:32
something taking like 100 million years to crack it could take like a couple of days so wow yeah and Signal developed a
00:37:41
Quantum proof uh protocol that has endend encryption that is quantum proof
00:37:47
as well that's why me and all of my Q friends use signal I had to look this up Quantum
00:37:53
friends right right right I had to look this up just to make sure I got the numbers right cuz I would have been mad if I got him wrong the number of cubits
00:38:00
just going up over time like 10 cubits is a pretty big quantum computer then 50 and then 100 in 2021 IBM's Eagle got up
00:38:08
to 127 cubits and then the newest IBM Osprey 400 cubits uh IBM also planning
00:38:16
to build a 100,000 Cubit quantum computer by 2033 so you can see the you
00:38:21
can see the curve just going by 2023 that's this year sorry 2033 oh so it's
00:38:27
it's improving very quickly which is super cool yeah I understand none of it my answer to that piggy backing off
00:38:35
of Ellis was very similar I wanted to talk about privacy because again with like signal and encryption and stuff
00:38:40
like that we have like AES 256 sha 256 encryption standards that are being
00:38:47
potentially like broken by Quantum Computing so that would be interesting to talk about which maybe we who knows
00:38:54
yeah we'll see where we go I do think privacy is is like an interesting topic in a lot of different ways cuz like
00:39:01
people are always very worried about what Google's like what you're getting shot
00:39:08
out to marketing things but that's very different from a lot of other different privacy things and privacy in general
00:39:14
just seems to be this giant scary thing on the internet it also feels like a landscape where there's a huge
00:39:20
difference between the people who care about it and the people who don't care about it yeah I think most people don't care about it and it's almost like like
00:39:26
an ethical dilemma at this point did you see the eight sleep guys tweets during
00:39:32
the Sam mman thing what the CEO or something yeah no no dude this this MF
00:39:38
actually had I feel like we should be ready to cut this part out he was like he was like Wow San Francisco you guys
00:39:45
had you guys must be stressed or something like tongue and cheek he's like our data reported that San
00:39:51
Francisco area eight sleep users slept 33% more poorly or whatever he was like
00:39:56
guys must be stressed it's like you're watching how much that is so weird also the sample
00:40:03
size of that is like five people they can afford that sleep and
00:40:09
they're all they're all like how do I maximize my sleep potential just they're eight sleeping they're soilent next to
00:40:15
their bed yet God next up is a trivia question that you're still mad about all
00:40:23
these months later yeah gosh I have one I know D I am excited okay I have one
00:40:28
that I'm mad that I got correct okay so curveball there was an episode where I
00:40:34
believe the question was somewhere along the lines of um what do spark notes and
00:40:40
Okay Cupid have in common and as I was writing it down I thought of something
00:40:45
really funny to say but was worried it might be inappropriate which now I don't think it's that inappropriate so I wrote
00:40:51
same CEO I think and that was correct and then after it found after we cut the the video I was like ohim founder yeah I
00:40:58
said uh I thought of something really funny and Ellis like instantly clicked and we were both like they're both
00:41:04
websites used for cheating and I thought that was very funny and I would have rather have gotten the question wrong
00:41:11
did they really okay good I saw in the comments I would have rather gotten it wrong and not had to say it 15 episodes
00:41:17
later but I thought that was funny and I've thought about that a lot I think you would have gotten the point that's
00:41:23
what I think matters I think you would have gotten the point do people not know what spark notes are now they're just
00:41:29
asking GP yeah exactly Spark Notes used to be a website that basically gave you
00:41:34
a super briefed version of a book yeah so if you wanted to like cheat on your
00:41:40
uh like homework assignment it was also for like you were you were expected to read like five chapters of Pride and
00:41:45
Prejudice when you also had math homework and geometry homework and physics homework to do geometry is math
00:41:51
I guess anyway but like so I would go on spark notes because I would be like I literally am in jazz band and marching
00:41:58
band I don't have time to read Pride and Prejudice so I would just go on and it would be like a recap of chapter 7 and
00:42:04
it just so that when you went into class the next day when the teacher randomly called on you and asked you something that happened you could be like ah it
00:42:12
this you would know the plot and you'd know some small details and you could kind of go along with the FL they all
00:42:18
knew they knew this is in no way endorsement of cheating teacher teacher I remember she quizzed us on every
00:42:26
single reading section she'd be like read these eight chapters and then she'd quiz us on minutia inside it so that it
00:42:32
wouldn't be on spark notes oh it was horrible I had a English teacher that I really appreciated because the way he
00:42:39
did quizzes on chapters that we read were you start taking it and then at the end he'll be like okay you can open your
00:42:45
book for one minute because like if you read it you would kind of know the area that I was in so like you still had to
00:42:51
have read it but you could find what it was if it was a little more specific then you'd be like giving one more minute and like yeah I still didn't read
00:42:58
it and still tried to figure it out just from that but I really appreciate it you can't control F on a physical page
00:43:05
unfortunately man I've actually tried now here's the thing give those
00:43:10
kids The Meta glasses and be like hey meta look and tell me which character
00:43:17
sat under the beach tree and it would actually tell the answer in their ears just saying yeah true multimodal AI is
00:43:24
going to change cheating on tests forever yep anyway uh the one that I was still mad about um I got wrong it was
00:43:32
the GTR being a track car no that wasn't a triy question the one uh about I'll
00:43:38
just read what I wrote in 2009 YouTube introduced an experimental lightweight
00:43:43
version of the site what was it called and I wrote YouTube go which is the name
00:43:50
of a lightweight version of YouTube they built but a different time because they
00:43:56
also tried it another time in 2009 and it was called YouTube feather so YouTube has done the same attempted failed thing
00:44:02
and killed it more than once and I named the wrong other time that they killed it this is really funny because Marquez was
00:44:08
just like I know this I know this so ready to get that point yeah it was amazing so what do you think the version
00:44:14
3.0 will be called YouTube light YouTube now YouTube Max YouTube
00:44:21
Min YouTube mini YouTube mini YouTube mini I like that that could be a Thing YouTube it's actually a great name yeah
00:44:27
copyrighted YouTube for kids the the light Facebook used to be just Facebook light yeah yeah and messenger light I
00:44:33
don't remember that at all dat mode in the time before time when Android phones were still very new the Facebook app
00:44:40
would just constantly run in the background and take like 15% of your battery in a day and so% 15% of my diet
00:44:47
is 15% of my battery is Facebook yes so uh they made a light version of the app
00:44:53
that used like way less memory in the background and uh yeah you had to download it if your phone was too slow
00:44:58
or so were you rocking two Facebook apps yes nice yes yeah and then I uninstalled
00:45:04
Facebook in 2013 and I haven't used it since well you use WhatsApp though yeah to sh oh you know what
00:45:13
okay this is from earlier in the show just trigger da you know what is one of my hot takes
00:45:20
that is slowly getting colder is that what WhatsApp is terrible and there are a lot of ways where it's still really
00:45:27
terrible I think what's up is pretty bad yes yeah that's a cold take now it's it's
00:45:33
getting colder but it's sort of like how the Sun is also getting colder over billions of years I see I see yeah so as
00:45:40
it loses energy it's getting hotter it's getting it's going to get hotter before it gets colder but go on that's how
00:45:46
that's how a Nova works it's going to be a super massive it's not going to turn into a black hole though no it's going to be a red giant and then it's going to
00:45:52
fizzle out into a dwarf St it doesn't have enough Mass to be a black it needs to be like two and a half times as size
00:45:57
science Corner brought to you by anyway David go on sorry anyway what'sapp I
00:46:02
still really don't like the app and it's very annoying when people always say just use WhatsApp when no one I know
00:46:07
uses WhatsApp but over the course of this year they have rapidly added a ton
00:46:14
of features that a lot of other messaging apps had oh so it's getting hotter no the take is getting cold your
00:46:21
take is getting my take is my is getting hotter you said WhatsApp is bad
00:46:26
oh so you're saying it's getting hotter because it's getting more getting better yeah right you're right yeah yeah it's still bad it's just less bad I've always
00:46:34
just it is getting rapidly better though and I have to commend those Engineers for making it better I've never thought WhatsApp was a terrible app I just hate
00:46:41
the comment just use WhatsApp because it's not just me it is also all of the people that I communicate with yeah
00:46:47
getting someone to download a new messaging app and make a new account for something is like not the logistics of it make absolutely no sense if you know
00:46:54
what it's like here yeah here here's a equivalent for everyone who leaves the comment just use WhatsApp I want you to
00:47:01
turn that inwards and imagine if somebody told you just use Facebook
00:47:08
Messenger you'd be like well I could but then i' have to convince everyone that I know and speak to to also use Facebook
00:47:15
Messenger or like signal yeah because Facebook Messenger if you have WhatsApp you probably have a Facebook account which means you have a Facebook
00:47:20
Messenger account so there yeah sign up for something new you have
00:47:25
to get other people to use it it's not just easier because I change it every other person that I have to communicate with has to change it so that
00:47:32
logistically makes zero sense when people say that yeah but my take is getting hotter and I'm getting more
00:47:37
wrong slowly almost as slow as the heat death of the universe Stand By Me and go
00:47:44
anyway uh I thought all of my trivia questions were absolutely perfect this year uh but I did remember two more
00:47:51
things that I was wrong about over the course of this year too one when I was when I was like oh Among Us
00:47:59
in the Apple iPhone presentation not there got that one part me still thinks it's there somewhere and I just couldn't
00:48:06
find it but I looked for a long time yeah the fans they really came out they tried to help me the other thing I was
00:48:11
wrong about this year was about 90 seconds ago when I said that red giants are hotter than normal Stars they are in
00:48:18
fact cooler yes wrong about that too so I was right you were right but you were
00:48:23
wrong with the analogy because you're taking is in fact getting hotter as WhatsApp gets better it's in an episode
00:48:30
where we say everything we get wrong we're getting a lot of stuff wrong right on top of it I just want to say that as someone that uses telegram signal and
00:48:38
WhatsApp WhatsApp is by far the superior messaging by far no it is not yes you
00:48:44
might have to back that one up it's like it has all the features everyone's on it you
00:48:49
can they just added multi- device and it's still kind of Jank you have to back up all of your messages to Google Drive
00:48:56
yes and really yeah no no that's only if you had an Android if you were on iPhone you had to back it up to iMessage or not
00:49:02
iMessage the people that have this problem are on Android because they otherwise they just use iMessage no I
00:49:10
know so many people that have iPhones and use WhatsApp yeah you're probably right but the problem was that for the
00:49:15
longest I don't know if they actually fixed this but the backups that you put onto the iCloud or onto Google drive if
00:49:20
you switch devices you lost them exactly which was very annoying it you could
00:49:26
only have it on one phone at a time that's never a problem because you're the only person with seven different phones the two people in this room are
00:49:33
the only ones with this issue to be fair that's the reason I didn't use it I think there's one person who ever has
00:49:38
said can I have your WhatsApp information and that was Adam babro because he lives like all over the place
00:49:44
and wanted to do a ping pong collab with us y I've never been asked yeah if you're intern like when I was in Costa
00:49:50
Rica the doctor's office used WhatApp I totally understand it but that's just not the scene here and you have to use
00:49:56
WhatsApp web you have to scan a QR code to get on to that's besides the point I'm saying the app itself is the best
00:50:02
app no it looks it looks like it looks like the thing that Marquez uses with his frisbee team group me grou
00:50:09
me group me out a better chance in the US gr is gr me had a better chance more
00:50:15
people were on grp me though it hit a spike for a while I don't know if the
00:50:21
end in the US you know how you can prove that gripy is really bad used group me
00:50:26
for my H like I lived with 10 people when I was in college for a few years and we used group me for the house chat
00:50:32
we moved to slack that's how that's what our W that's Terri that's what I'm hoping we originally used group me as
00:50:38
the MKBHD chat when there's only four of us oh my God this is true mhm oh my God
00:50:43
uh this might be out of date but 2021 12 million monthly active users ungroup me
00:50:48
ungroup me 12 million it's basically dead yeah oh yeah I think it's I haven't
00:50:53
had it on my phone in forever but there was time where I had multiple frisbee group Mees going on had the work group
00:51:00
me like I was in four or five different channels I'm in about seven active group mes they all frisbee teams yeah grp me
00:51:07
is still owned by Microsoft really oh yeah that's right and they've never done anything with it wow go would Sunset
00:51:15
that like 15 years that's a fact that's just so true we can give him credit for that all
00:51:23
right new one I like this one we've had so many wonderful guests in this past
00:51:29
year uh I'd like to know who was your favorite yeah we've had good ones I'm
00:51:35
partial to the Creator interviews like talking to creators about being creators so in the past year that would be Dr
00:51:42
Mike Cleo Abram and Simone yet just CU that's my favorite conversation and it's
00:51:48
the only way I get to have that conversation yeah so I love those that's understand well yeah I loved Simon hers
00:51:53
was so good because she was like just enough in the tech world but also so far out of what we do that it like you guys
00:52:00
had a bunch of common things going on but and also like just OG Simone posts
00:52:06
on Reddit like blowing up just make me feel like the early internet and I love it so much yeah um this some this is an
00:52:14
old one I really liked we did a really short interview with Jad aanad from Radio Lab and he has very interesting
00:52:20
like information about radio and the way that podcasts worked I thought that was really interesting I love loved um the
00:52:26
conversation that we had about AI recently yeah with Dan banga and then
00:52:32
also I would say I think that Cleo's interview was amazing I I watched that
00:52:37
back a couple times and I was like this is really her interview so good that I started putting like full page quotes
00:52:44
whenever they said something profound I started doing that during that episode because she had some bangers yeah yeah
00:52:50
if I had to pick a favorite moment Tom Scott doing the typed alphabet yeah is like like the comp one of the greatest
00:52:57
thing that's ever happened on this what 2022 I know we were talking about some older people also that's true I take it
00:53:03
back non 20232 non 2023 best moment Tom Scott typing the alphabet going ultra
00:53:10
competitive mode on it and crushing it yeah that was crazy someone tweeted at
00:53:15
us yesterday that they got it in like 2.23 seconds so yeah that's crazy my
00:53:21
friends that made the website can do it in like 1.2 which is why he made the website
00:53:26
because that used to be like a thing he would practice also he's making a bunch of updates to it so now the it has the
00:53:33
full alphabet and highlights the letter that you're on and Scrolls across he's also added typing it backwards he's
00:53:39
added typing the first like 40 digits of pi he's been putting a bunch of updates to it practicing coding so there's some
00:53:45
cool stuff type the alphabet. apppp um that's dope it's pretty cool yeah he's I
00:53:50
think he's going to start doing a like challenge of the day where he's going to add like movie quotes or book quotes and
00:53:55
stuff and you typee that in so cool we've he's been working on it hell yeah can't wait yeah uh my favorite interview
00:54:01
was the RJ one from rivan that was super fun for me because we shot it in the car
00:54:07
which was crazy so we had to set it all up and everything it actually was raining that day which we were not expecting and then I was supposed to be
00:54:14
like a floating cam just walking around and like recording the thing because I couldn't be in the actual car so Not
00:54:20
only was I stressed about everything in the car working but I had to get the craziest shots with camera in the middle
00:54:26
of rain in the rain we were in like a like that skeleton building so like it was covered but there were still like
00:54:31
drops coming down all over the it ended up working out so nicely like those were some of my favorite shots I've ever
00:54:37
gotten like ever it looked so cool do you also remember I went to a hockey game the night before and yelled too
00:54:43
loud so my voice I had like no voice and I'm like trying to talk to people it's
00:54:48
like I was very nervous about that that was a fun fun and we got some good uh some good quotes and insight from that
00:54:54
interview too too yeah that was good yeah I liked Raleigh Ry was great was F
00:55:00
huge fan of his and when we finally got the email like yeah we're doing it I was like oh yeah you're really stoked a lot
00:55:08
of people how are you he was jazzed a lot of people also asked us why we decided to do that
00:55:15
collaboration and after the Apple episode Ellis came to us and said I have a great idea like climate Town great
00:55:21
Channel then we came back and jna was like I love climate town so I started watching it and literally watched I've
00:55:28
watched every episode and listened to every podcast that they've had CU I liked it so much and then looked into our comments and so many other people
00:55:35
were like climb it down climb it down climb it down so it was awesome to get him on and that he's right in Brooklyn and kind of like uh we have him now any
00:55:43
other things yeah also uh Dr Mike I thought that was very cool underrated episode that we did he is a cool guy
00:55:51
also very funny that he's a boxer doctor that hurts people is a that's good that's good comedy yeah
00:55:57
that's uh job and Dr punch your face well that
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concludes section two again we don't have any trivia this week but we'll see
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you right after the break to conclude the wave form [Music]
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Awards welcome back to the waveform Awards not special but sort of an
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special episode end of the year podcast beastro Bar and Grill on the
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water Promax we have our three lovely hosts of the waveform podcast David Amel
00:56:38
Andrew magnelli and Marquez brownley and I'm here to ask them guys what was your favorite episode of the Year July trivia
00:56:44
Extravaganza was my favorite to be a part of for sure that was Family Feud that the Family Feud version uh I mean
00:56:50
what was it what do we call it the um the survey the guest the wave for surve
00:56:56
game with vergecast no no this was the like Family Feud version where all sitting here and Alex is in here that
00:57:02
was the most fun to be a part of I know it was very different for listeners and everything but like and I was very frustrated because wireless charging you
00:57:10
guys don't want that in your phone I'm definitely not still salty about that yeah that funny and then my favorite episode that I just watched probably
00:57:17
because I wasn't here but the climate Town episode was awesome I was super pumped for that I missed it but you guys
00:57:22
did awesome and it's a sweet video was scrambling to watch all you did so good
00:57:27
on it though it was awesome I'd never heard of it before so I had to catch up on that um I really liked the live Apple
00:57:35
episode that we did I thought that was really cool that's what I was going to say oh well you're talking about when we went to Apple Park in September yeah
00:57:42
there's something about talking very brutally honestly about Apple's news announcements in front of the people who
00:57:47
are hearing reactions for the first time uhuh that that's fun people do wonder that so there's probably like two or
00:57:54
three Apple PR people there and then the rest of it is actually a team that's contracted out I believe so they don't
00:57:59
actually they working for Apple in that sequence but and those guys rule they're
00:58:04
amazing and like one of the reasons I liked that so much is because even in the second time they made a whole desk
00:58:11
and video setup for Adam and Ellis like to me that just kind of felt like wow these people are looking at our podcast
00:58:16
not just inviting us but like they know what we do and they made it special for these are the same people that buy all
00:58:22
of the exact camera and and like computer equipment that we have no it's different it's a workflow team oh I just
00:58:30
I just met Apple in general yeah no that was that was mine too I think that was super fun yeah um I also really like the
00:58:35
trivia Extravaganza yeah was that was a lot of fun I can't imagine how much work you guys had to put into that but it was
00:58:42
fun on our side playing it this was technically this year uh secret history of the internet was this year which um
00:58:48
it was sort of a part it was a prequel to The I can and the Seven Keys of the internet that we did last year as the
00:58:53
last episode of the year last year yeah so yeah it was really fun to do that yeah it came out later but it was a
00:58:59
prequel it was like Star Wars uh and then we did uh but it was way better than episode one I don't know episode
00:59:06
one was pretty good not of Star Wars of oh okay yeah yeah yeah um and then a lot of people really liked the cyan Mod
00:59:13
episode as well we got really good feedback on that a lot of people like wrote about it and we got a ton of people us just being like Memory Lane
00:59:20
Memory Lane so that was fun Nostalgia is a hell of a drug exactly my favorite
00:59:26
episode was I think it's called thoughts on Apple Vision Pro and WWDC 23 because
00:59:32
that was the most views that's the one that we had to fly back here to record after we didn't get to record it in
00:59:39
apple right because the only time slot that we had we used the Verge cast
00:59:44
episode yeah really quick fun fact about that the episode either one or two before that was WWDC
00:59:51
predictions in July that video itself had like 300,000 views which was after
00:59:58
the event a month later after everything had been announced 300,000 people
01:00:03
watched our predictions on the event which so if you quizzed me about the analytics of the channel I would have
01:00:10
gotten that wrong every single time cuz I I really don't value predictions
01:00:15
videos as a Creator because I do believe that they become useless the fastest it
01:00:20
works well for this but they're fun they're fun and they're it's a podcast doing timely stuff but then the fact
01:00:25
that it actually did continue to get watched after it was already I think it has more views than
01:00:32
the actual event one and it got more views after the event than before the event mm yeah that blew my mind we
01:00:38
looked in like July and we're like where are all these views coming from and that was like the top view people watching us predict what already happened yeah cool
01:00:44
speaking of predictions I've got a a quick question what's your guys's biggest prediction for what's going to happen in
01:00:50
2024 in Tech in general I'm so ready to be
01:00:57
wrong I think that wow multimodal AI is going to take off and start being
01:01:05
integrated into everything that's such a lukewarm take D do better do better
01:01:11
way I think that is the thing that we appear to be on the precipice of so I believe that uhhuh I'm trying to go far
01:01:18
out I'm trying to go a little bit like November year yeah just like is something something crazy like
01:01:26
the iPhone 16 W have a port no Roadster has no shot again Apple Vision Pro is do
01:01:32
we get apple Vision the same year no probably not probably another year prob a couple years okay do we get some crazy
01:01:39
like the iPhone we already know it's going to be a incremental thing again pixel Samsung Huawei oh you know what's
01:01:45
going to be interesting though is the the Apple watch x because it's going to be a full redesign go on well it's the
01:01:51
10th Generation and there's a huge rumor that there's going to be a major redesign of the Apple watch next year I
01:01:56
like that I feel like we heard something about major redesign and it was all the software major I don't know hopefully
01:02:02
it's time to do it it's time to it's time to do it it's time to do it all of us are too scared after we just said
01:02:07
everything that was wrong we're all too scared to make that bold of a prediction I'm just having a hard time because
01:02:13
again so much happened that wasn't on my 2023 bingo card it's like yeah it's okay
01:02:19
another monitor in a suitcase like how the hell was I supposed to guess that soon become CEO of Amazon hosel
01:02:26
blad finally ships a camera that can shoot 8K video or video at all or video
01:02:31
at all and it'll be 8K yeah that's not going to happen that's not going to happen
01:02:37
Holograms Looking Glass has Holograms that's that's my one real you think it's going to be a trend next year yeah we
01:02:43
should talk about Trends not products I don't know if it's going to like come out but it's going to be the the thing you know I think we're very close to a
01:02:50
few different volumetric display Technologies working uh-huh
01:02:55
huh yeah like what's what's going to be the biggest trend of 2024 that isn't AI everything's going to have it's still just going to be AI just a different
01:03:01
version of AI like what you said I think multi multie I got one so instead of
01:03:07
transparent objects or Tech I think it's going to go colorful I think that's
01:03:12
going to be the bring back real colors bring back real colors I like that a lot what about transparent colors maybe we
01:03:19
kind of already have some of that though like the analog pocket some phones like that would be sick so many beige and silver and gray
01:03:27
things this year I would really like that to be correct yeah bring back the colors
01:03:32
brism all right how here's another one here's another question worst product of the Year absolute worst product worst
01:03:39
product release of the Year mine is based on release okay worst product release of the year it's it's so obvious
01:03:45
what is it oh the new Apple pencil that's a great one that is a
01:03:52
really good one USBC it's fine what's wrong I don't see the problem USBC I don't see the issue what's what's
01:03:59
the problem dille Town Pro all right so what's your obvious one yeah what's the obvious one uh The Saga salana crypto
01:04:07
Saga The salana Saga crypto phone yeah it's pretty brutal yeah that's pretty brutal was that even this year yeah
01:04:13
technically really it had a very long drown out history before it came out this year it did yeah damn that's rough
01:04:19
yeah yeah that's the winner I guess the wor for you worst product release mhm I
01:04:26
message for Android phones yeah multiple not just they came out for like a day
01:04:33
and then every single one came out for all the Rel two and then just so that's my answer that's a great answer that's
01:04:39
true that's a great answer that's true wow even though some of them might work eventually in terms of a release those
01:04:45
were brutal releases yeah the time between release and can't trust and our
01:04:51
sories were record-breaking that's mine is X the product o that's a get on
01:04:59
you'll get the most black for it but I reming Twitter and rebranding it as X move you just mean the branding The
01:05:06
Branding yeah the product itself I don't use the worst Rel product is X
01:05:12
premium isn't there like a $44 months 22 or $23 a month isn't it plus Gro Gro is
01:05:20
the worst product that was Prett I still can't use Gro because when I tried to use it I click on it it says you need a premium
01:05:25
account so I hit the button and it's like you've had a premium account for this long okay I guess I'm not using C
01:05:31
then sounds about right there was a bunch of anger inducing things that rolled out this year like when they redesigned Spotify that was sort of a
01:05:39
which time to uh yeah right to um to uh but they got rid of that they like Tik
01:05:45
Tok version they got rid of it I would be qualified as a failed releas it was totally failed release cuz they got rid of it yeah real quick um they didn't get
01:05:53
rid of it actually it's just just in a different section in the app at least at least it's not taking over like never
01:05:59
released it before it was like it took over right there oh I do want I have one for my most this is a different category
01:06:06
but my most underrated product of the Year Spotify DJ I like the DJ a lot DJ
01:06:11
I'm your DJ X I'm your DJ X what's up David I'm DJ doesn't say your
01:06:20
name mine doesn't say mine maybe it's changed but sometimes the the tone of his voice sounds like the self checkout
01:06:27
when it's like I don't mind to say my name please put your bananas in
01:06:32
the go get this Wednesday start start at the beginning mine's always like what's
01:06:38
up David mine never say my name I'm going to play you something you haven't heard before here's
01:06:44
MGMT just to keep you on your toes wait close it and also have like d that one
01:06:51
was better it was better but the next part was actually not what's up David I'm x wait let's see if
01:06:57
mine says my name coming up now I got we start it over start it over start
01:07:02
over I think it will only do the intro once a day though I think you might have a name that it like knows how to say
01:07:10
now doesn't it's never tried to say my it has to be like a predefined list of regular names I'm just putting it on my
01:07:16
list because I think again in our world of like everyone's talking about Ai and 95% of people are talking about Ai and chat Bots I think we should highlight
01:07:23
the genuinely interesting uh applications of AI that aren't chat Bots AI yeah I think
01:07:29
that's one of them okay yeah a DJ oh a DJ yeah okay I added one here at the end
01:07:36
okay I want everyone to list their favorite sound bite that we use um I
01:07:42
think not like we've been using sound bites more the oops sound bite and some other ones epic it's so good but I think
01:07:49
we use them so much more in studio that doesn't make it till the final but we have a lot of sound bites on this board
01:07:55
and I want everyone to list what their favorite one is the favorite one that's on the board yeah can be from whoever
01:08:00
the one that makes you laugh you you got to play it after we mention it yeah see how close we can get to the actual uh
01:08:07
sound oh like you have to say it first yeah like I can't say Andrew's code as well as Andrew can say I don't think I can say it as well as second I I think
01:08:14
my favorite is I don't think I can name all the planets yeah I don't I don't think I can name all the
01:08:19
planets you had another one that I really like I'm sorry I'm trying to stop no the one where he
01:08:26
goes I think he says I used to think that I was smart oh yeah I thought I was
01:08:33
smart but I love that one can you play that and then the planet one I thought I
01:08:39
was smart but yeah I don't I don't think I can name all the that's a good one um ESS I really
01:08:46
like Bingo let's go cuz that's Timeless and I I get a lot
01:08:52
of tweets about that one of just tweeting Bingo it also has the background
01:08:57
conversation that confuses me sometimes and I think some people are just talking but um I think the I think the one where
01:09:05
you like sneeze and then you say I'm sorry I tried to stop it I remember that
01:09:10
live I remember that live that was uh that was pretty funny yeah that was fun
01:09:15
also just whoops yeah whoops whoops fits the best in all so good and it happened
01:09:21
to come the week you are gone yeah so just used it as your every time we made a mistake you just said whoops in the
01:09:27
episode that was great I think yeah besides whoops I think my favorite has to be 15% of my diet is chalula I'm
01:09:34
realizing I just a lot of dumb things on I thought I was smart I thought I was
01:09:43
smart I just want to give a quick shout out to some of the ones that didn't make it onto the board like this outtake from the climate Town episode waveform is
01:09:50
produced by one one Tesla and one rivan and our outform music is by big
01:09:56
silks W I'm so mad I wasn't here for the side banter of like everything going on
01:10:01
there we go we also uh got this gem go east east sorry no doesn't matter which
01:10:07
way you go go west west from the Philippines
01:10:14
Iceland how that's not editing no no because because then you say no oh no no
01:10:20
no this way and I say so isolate Telly pe oh okay that's just me saying
01:10:27
Telly PE in reference to teleprompter you guys get the idea we've got we got a lot of good good stuff on here over the
01:10:33
years sweet plate of chicken nugget when did we say that what that's
01:10:40
like not an episode I don't think no I remember that that cannot
01:10:45
be I don't remember what I was thinking of I think it was Gamers can afford
01:10:51
this you're a gamer you cannot for though I'm sorry I
01:10:56
think okay one more I'm sorry audio listeners this isn't always us saying nobody's ever complained about yes they
01:11:03
have oh that's how I feel opening the
01:11:09
comments to the video every single week There's no way they could be oh yeah we got some good bites so if anyone's ever
01:11:16
wondering what we do between AD breaks it's usually just a lot of that yeah that's so fun all right well instead of
01:11:23
trivia to wrap up this uh fine episode we thought we' just hit you with a little bit of uh fun facts uh about this
01:11:32
year and just sort of the show in general um so for you we
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have by the end of the year we will have published 55 episodes of the waveform
01:11:44
podcast in 52 weeks in 52 weeks look at us above average we published
01:11:51
128 waveform clips wow wow sick in the lifetime of the wave
01:11:58
I'm going say again in the lifetime of the YouTube oh the mus the music in the lifetime of the waveform
01:12:06
YouTube channel we have had 11.6 million watch hours oh damn how many years is
01:12:12
that 20,38 days 662 months 55 years that's so crazy
01:12:21
crazy I think about this all the time like I never spoke to anyone in high school I was like the quiet ass kid in
01:12:29
the back of the class and when I see like Spotify rap things about a podcast that has my voice in it is mindboggling
01:12:36
to me that is a lot of years of human life sorry it's been 55 years and I'm
01:12:44
still listening to the way for and uh last but not least uh
01:12:51
controlling the lights requires 432 megab of my Graphics memory nice just
01:12:58
thought someone out there a multiply that by the amount of episodes that we've done and that's a lot of memory it
01:13:03
is yeah especially when you consider all that memor is going towards yeah just that nice worth
01:13:11
it well that's been an incredible wrap up to the year look we appreciate all of
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you guys for listening and for watching and subscribing cuz that's partially what makes this podcast possible and
01:13:22
it's also what makes it so fun it's why we do it so thank you for watching and listening and uh I have nothing else to
01:13:29
say other than see you in 2024 yeah have a happy New Year thank you again this was the best year waveforms ever had of
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my life and we plan on the next year just being even better 70 episodes at a [Laughter]
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movie 53 wa for is produced by Adam Alina and Ellis Roven we're partner with the VOX media podcast Network and our
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