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[Music] what is up people of the internet welcome back to another episode of the
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waveform podcast we're your hosts i'm marquez and i'm andrew and tesla wants you to sit in a wet dumpster while your
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car you're just going straight through yeah why like okay just jumping right in oh well just in case you're wondering
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what else we're gonna talk about today we are later going to talk about the pixel 6a possibly having a higher refresh screen and we're going to talk
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about how you might be seeing more ads on your apple devices but yes yes i have a lot of quick hits in here and um i
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guess you've picked which one you want to talk about i just read the first bold text yeah yeah i don't know i i have to
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talk about this this is a this is i mean it's a dumpster with tesla written on the side of it so they actually did think this through a little bit um
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apparently there are going to be and i don't know where this is it's in germany oh so there's one in germany okay
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there's one in germany where uh you park to charge a supercharger and there's a pool
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next to the superchargers yes and you can just hang out in the pool while you charge which so many weird things about this first of
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all i always find it funny when you advertise things you can do that happen when you take a long time to charge like
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the ionic 5 we just got done testing it and we're working on a video with it it has a a driver's seat that reclines all
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the way back and has a foot rest of kick up because if you are charging for an hour and a half on some random slow
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charger you want to at least be comfortable and so you can do that um but ideally you're only at a tesla
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supercharger for like half an hour do you have time in half an hour to change get into a bathing suit swim
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around change back dry off potentially shower continue on your road trip i guess maybe
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i i i'm not totally sure it seems like a stretch um just to describe this a little bit for
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audio listeners too it's like it is a dumpster not quite the one you'd find like behind a mcdonald's or like outside
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of a building that you throw trash in it's more of the one you would get if you were like cleaning out your house or
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like doing a renovation that you would rent and it would come on the back of a truck so you're saying like a nice dumpster like a kind of decent in lesser
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words i guess that's what i'm saying but not exactly my sentiment it is funny though it's a it's painted it says tesla
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on the side it is both over and under engineered if we're considering this a pool it looks like it has stairs into it
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it looks like it has a pool cover but it also just has like cones and caution tape around it and
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like a hose just dangling in with water um so yeah if you want to cool off it says
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it's up to four people i think you could probably fit more in there but um you know that's really fun maybe maybe
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there's some safety issues with it if you go more than four it also looks like it's just gone like a construction lot like
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there's like temporary stairs behind it it looks fine empty but if i came up to the supercharger and plugged in and i
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looked over behind the chargers and there was like three people in a dumpster i wouldn't
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even spot about getting into that dumpster with people but then again what other chargers can you swim around
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fair they're revolutionizing the game um i like also the the article had just a couple really funny lines i'm just gonna
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throw one out there that was too golden not to talk about um quote apparently it's meant for four occupants assuming
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there are four people who fit the cross section of wealthy enough to own a tesla and likes to sit in wet dumpsters
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it's just cold dumpsters brilliant it's fantastic my next quick hit here i have is um
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remember the polestar o2 they're like roadster concept this is when we talked about when we first saw the video of the
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drone flying off the back of the polestar concept okay yes i remember this yeah what do you like i feel like what i mostly remember about it is the
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drone and just that like i really digged how it looked i thought it looked really sharp yeah the aesthetic of the polestar
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is definitely the the thing that was most notable to me i love the thing it looks amazing um the specs i think we
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are actually getting a little bit more information on so i do have 3.2 seconds 0-60 so clearly
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if like we want to immediately compare this to the roadster slower right well yeah tesla roads i don't know
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we don't there's no price right for this not that i know of um the main thing i wanted to talk about here is and the reason it's in the news is because it
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says they set a release date for 2026 which i found really interesting i don't think we've had something that's had like that far out of the
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is it safe to say in the ev world we're way more used to seeing a within one year release date and seeing that being
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delayed rather than like giving themselves the buffer yeah we get the promise of one thing yeah and it's
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usually like two three years away like i'm seeing some 2024 promises maybe 2025 as far as individual models and then we have companies going we'll have some electric stuff by 2030 and you don't
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really know what it is but as far as this car that you can see here not coming for another four years that's
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kind of a while but maybe under promise over deliver is is there a way to go i would like to think that i have one
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other and it could be both one other theory on this and is it potentially just we had a really really good first uh news release and like it did really well like our clip of it did
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awesome people were really interested in it is it like oh this died down a little bit you know it's a while away but let's throw a
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release date out there let's get in the news cycle again it kind of almost reminds me while still way too far away
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of like the uh the apple purple iphone like another another shot in the pres in the news cycle or like a new oneplus color news cycle refresh yeah you know my read on this yeah my read on this is
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they made the concept video and never had any intention of making the car but it was received so well that they said
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you know what let's try to make it and so they're going to need a couple years of r d to actually get started with this
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and now they're going to try to make one i like that um i have two questions for you pure speculation questions um one
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do you think it has the drone attached to it or give me a percentage of how likely is it to have the drone so there's zero percent chance it works exactly how we saw it in the video
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but but will they like find a way to build a drone into the car maybe i'd give that a
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30 chance i was gonna go 20. yeah yeah i i have pretty low expectations for that
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um next question do you think this comes out before the tesla roadster or which do you think
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comes out first uh wow well the the roadster was announced in 2017. i think the tesla
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roadster comes out before this i agree because tesla is theoretically further along in r d i think maybe and i also have a lot of
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people's money and so maybe there's theoretically some lawsuits that could start to creep up if they don't deliver
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your car like it's been now what has it been five years since they took the money promising something in 2020
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you know someone's eventually gonna get mad enough to say something right so yeah maybe a little bit extra pressure
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to tesla i i think that's funny so like my thought on this was i did think i do think tesla roadster
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comes up first but if it doesn't that means it will be going on close to 10 years since they've taken payments well
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yeah if they go all the way to 2026 yeah that that's i've never seen anything like that in the car world i
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mean there's crazy stuff in the exotic world where it's like yeah i ordered the kona segmera when i just saw like one
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working prototype and i gave koenigsegg a million dollars and i'll get the car in a decade but uh that's a million dollars that's for a
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different type of human where there's this weird like tesla roadster cult that's like when's this car coming out it's gotta come out soon right we don't know yeah now we'll see but i do like
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the post our idea i am excited for it i love the look of this i i like really sharp lines so i really like the like holsters it's really nice
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we'll see i do like that it's also like it is pole star who has some cars out already like this is not a total i could
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see like one of these totally random companies we've warned people about saying 2026 and i feel i don't think
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that's interesting as a headline but this is like a car company that's making cars already giving a four to five year
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yeah which is like what's the craziest thing about making this car like it's a convertible two-door ev which we haven't
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seen any correct me if i'm wrong we haven't seen any convertible evs with long range right
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all the like decently long range evs are very aerodynamic and not convertible if there's one it's like a very specific
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one and you know it's not one of the main ones we talk about all the time yeah i'm sure there's always someone here
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yeah so i mean there's a couple two-door evs out there it's not that crazy to decide to make a 3.2 second zero to 60
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ev in four years you could make that today yeah so i you know i don't think this is the craziest promise ever i
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think the roadster is such a crazy promise that people are just like yeah it's never happening so i wouldn't be
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shocked if if pulstar over delivers on this one hopefully we'll see fingers crossed convertible
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i've never seen a long-range ev convertible and i'm very curious what type of what type of stuff that does to
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your range can't be that good can't be good i haven't thought of that i'll be excited to see it um and quickly
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last hit of the day of this episode is um of course it's tv related again but we
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had a tweet this morning about so it seems like the tesla app accidentally pushed forward a new tab about tesla memberships and then took it
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back so we're gonna everyone's assuming this is potentially memberships for non-tesla eevee supercharging network
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yeah which has been rumored and and i've seen probably at least once a month someone going it's happening they're going to open up superchargers for non-teslas and then it's just quiet
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yeah it doesn't happen i'm like what are you talking about i have a non-tesla ev i'm waiting for it to be real let's see
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it uh so yeah when i finally saw we saw another tweet this morning yeah breaking
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tesla has announced this membership program i'm like sure i i hope so and then i i look in my
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app and it's not there and i'm like i don't leave you but it turned out this was potentially an accidental
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publish maybe with a typo in it so what we observed was a screenshot that showed two tiers
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one pay per use so pay as you go supercharging you get access to the supercharger network
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or two membership 99 cents per month and you secure lower price per kilowatt hour now
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99 cents a month sounds amazing and when this disappeared from the app like an hour later we suspected that
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might have been a typo that they need to fix yes it might be might supposed to be 9.99 a month yeah so let's start with um
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we're i think the main assumption and for most people here is just that this is like we said for
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non-tesla evs being able to use the supercharging network and the reason we kind of think that is we're already
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seeing that in europe that is a thing in europe already and because tesla applied for funding from the government to
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expand the supercharging network and to do that their network has to be available to more than one manufacturer
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so it's hilarious that it just says more than one yeah that's what i the one article i was reading from like electric
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said it has to be open to more than one manufacturer so there's also two or more yeah i mean assuming that's going to
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mean everyone because that should mean cs ccs yeah um but so that's what we think is going to happen the 99 cents a month a lot of people think as a placeholder um in comparison
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to rates in europe it's approximately 12 usd a month so like 9.99 sounds much more reasonable there or anything 99 per month uh like i think i
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don't think 99 cents a month is going to be that um but other than that there's i saw one other theory that this
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might be and that is that this actually isn't even for non-tesla evs that because
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nowhere on the page does it say that right it says membership this could potentially just be a membership for
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tesla owners for using the supercharging network and maybe could combat the um like rising price of electricity in the future by getting lower lower price per kilowatt hour yeah and that is also very
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possible and i think it could be interesting to see basically you're gonna have to do a calculus of like how many supercharger miles do you drive to
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see if it's worth it for you or not me personally lately i only use superchargers when i
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do road trips and if i look at my charging history for the past like eight months that's like january of this year
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i've only done like one road trip where i use a supercharger so i would definitely not pay 999 a
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month for the membership i would do pay as you go but if i was somebody who does like uh like i don't have one in my garage and i
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rely on a local supercharger all the time or i do tons of road trips or something like that yeah i would pay 9.99 9.99 a month and secure that lower
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rate probably seems like you'd save the 10 bucks with the lower rate but again that's the math you got to do
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but yeah that'll that'll just have to come back later when they fix whatever they need to fix because it's gone and
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yeah might as well not exist right now and we'll figure it out when they eventually set it live again yeah i
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think overall if this is for i mean like we've mentioned a hundred times we're all very open and eager for this to be
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available for other evs um the only con i see coming to this potentially is if you're a tesla owner and you already are living in an area where superchargings can get pretty like
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crowded now you're going to add more cars to that and like you might have a longer wait time that's a thousand percent my
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only concern we have i've probably mentioned this before we have chargers here at the building that we're at and
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there are lots of teslas around people who use the space in this building but there's also like nissan leafs and
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there's also chevy bolts and there's also a bunch of plug-in hybrids yeah and for some reason it's always the plug-in hybrids that are plugged in in the front of the building when those are the ones
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that need it the least theoretically if you're a battery ev obviously you can't like just drive away and like you know
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if you have no battery you have no battery but it always seems to be the plug-in hybrids that get the spots in the morning so i wonder like if the the
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superchargers open up like people who are already getting superchargers that are like full or like typically have a
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short weight does that turn into a really long weight because now every eevee and maybe even some plug-in
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hybrids are taking the spots don't know yet hopefully not crazy i feel like i wouldn't see as many plug-in
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hybrids in so a supercharging network feels more like a like gas station to me where that's somewhere in between your
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trip whereas like at the building here you may have bought a plug-in ev and you commute close enough to where
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you're trying not to ever touch gas right so like you're trying to get that 20 miles each way you're parked all day you just plug it in in the morning and then when you leave at 5 pm you unplug
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it yeah and you just never touch your gas and your gas is for those longer trips so maybe that wouldn't i also one
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more disclaimer before we go to trivia um just in case this wasn't obvious i i did see a lot of people on twitter
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seeing the like 99 cents or the 999 and thinking that's really cheap but that's just for access you're still paying for
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the electricity that you use for that charge just at a somewhat lower rate we don't know how much lower
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exactly yeah well that's pretty much it we'll probably talk about this eventually again in the future when it sorts itself
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out i think the next time this is like this is way closer because we actually saw it in the app but i i'm pretty sure
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the next time we talk about this will be the actual launch we'll try not to give this the news cycle every single time it
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gets mentioned because our whiteboard just uh erased to zero on days since this was announced um yeah cool uh
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trivia let's get in the trivia [Music] all right everybody welcome back to another week of trivia i decided to tone it down
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a little bit this week um but i'm pretty excited for this first question because
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it's something we talk about in the office okay a fair amount so question number one for this week is
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put the following products in chronological order the order they came out google pay google wallet oh no and android pay
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oh man okay yeah fun yeah is it fine if i have follow-up questions sure like because i will i will yeah we can get into it get in
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the weeds perfect i'll have those when we get into trivia answers later until then let's take a break
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a mark german article here because we always love mark herman articles um about apple potentially increasing the ads
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that we're seeing in their software from like you know ios ipad os mac and everything um which i thought was kind of interesting because we all know apple as being this company
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and they have some really really good privacy restrictions including um what's it called where you have to
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allow you can ask apps not to track you yeah exactly so they have the apple like tracking program or whatever for
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different apps to not be able to sell ads based on all your information yeah interestingly enough
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recently there was a earnings call where during that earnings call tim cook specifically mentions out their ads
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department and outside of that the vice president of their ads department said that they want
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to essentially increase revenue from ads they basically they took a hit pretty hard during covid
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and they want they were right now creating about four billion dollars in revenue but they said they want to hit
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double digits of that for apple yeah exactly right now the main ads we're seeing on
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apple devices are the news app and the stock app as just kind of like regular ads you'd expect to see in almost any
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article-based website um and then like inside the app store you have the like recommended apps when you're searching
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something you can pay for ad placement up there right um which at this point already seems like
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kind of a uh you're paying for like a thousand dollar phone and now it's a little weirder when the stock
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news app and the stock stocks app and your i guess that is the funny part about like the iphone experience which is like
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some people bought a thousand dollar phone some people bought a 400 phone they're all getting the exact same software experience though so yes
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it will affect people who spend 1500 on a phone yeah um and so that's kind of where we're seeing most of this right now i also do you pay for news plus i recently unsubscribed you
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recently yeah did you notice you were still getting ads in that in the the subscription based model i unsubscribed
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because i wasn't using it so i didn't notice too much but i believe you i would like someone to confirm that for
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me but according to the article there are still ads in the 10 per month news thing but it is fewer than if you
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weren't paying yes so the thing about yeah i mean i pay what is it 12.99 a month for youtube premium and there are zero ads and i'd like to keep it that way so to pay 10
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bucks a month for apple news and you still get ads but it's just a little bit less that kind of i kind of just want to
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pay for zero ads but apple wants to make money from ads exactly and i agree with you i think all
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i think almost all platforms should be like that like i think yeah a lot of people say twitter blue paying five five
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bucks a month should eliminate ads from zero ads like that makes them i think more people would do twitter blue just
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for that than all the other garbage that they're suggesting in twitter having a payment tier for slightly less ads but
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not zero ads seems like you have too many ads that's like a thing that shouldn't need to exist it either has
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you pay for zero ads or you don't pay and we support this free content with advertising but if you have so many ads
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that people would pay just to have less ads but still have some ads that seems kind of excessive
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yeah um but yeah i would rather there be just be zero we are seeing more and more of that
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um like hulu and stuff like that we have mentioned it before how netflix might be going a tear down and and like i kind of
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understand it i understand maybe you want to pay less per month and have some ads um
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it does start getting tricky on where that's gonna go whether that's gonna start leeching into the like the
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full-blown payment tiers of stuff like that but ten dollars a month for a news app i probably shouldn't get any ads in
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it yeah i would think this is the most this is also the most like public company thing i've ever heard where it's
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like we were only making four billion dollars a year on ads and the only way to satisfy our shareholders is to turn that number up so here we go
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and they no dollars double digits that would mean over double 2.5 times what they're doing
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right now um which is a lot so um expect to see more ads through your apple products um i think the one so in mark
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german's article and we'll link it in the show notes because it has like far all the information you could ever
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want and all the speculation but the main speculation i saw was that we would potentially be seeing it in apple maps
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similar to like how yelp right now do you like you know how yelp is or google maps or google maps yet pretty much like
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you think you're getting the right recommend the perfect recommendations for everything but you can pay for slots to get into
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more highly recognizable areas of that yelp has been that for a long time as long as they're crystal clear about
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which ones are ads because i always know when i'm searching on google maps like if you're in if you're new to an area
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and you search you know sushi and you you pull up the search results and you see that the
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first three are all ads i automatically skip those and just go to the top rated ones underneath the ads so i hope that in apple maps if you're searching for things you have a very clear distinction
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of what is an ad and what isn't because apple maps is a free service yes so that i think i'm fine with it i think it's it's it's clear to us i think it's obvious that it's not clear
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to everyone because of other places we're seeing that happening like yelp like google just regular search how many
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people like you and i understand that those first three results every single time are going to be
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quote on like recommended or add or paid for space right but the majority of people using stuff like this have no idea i think dang i i mean i've seen
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family members click those all the time and it and they don't know that their ads they don't know their ads if i get something where the ad is also the first
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search product or the first search result under that that i want i'll make sure i click the bottom search result because like it infuriates me i'm not
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trying to reward the ads yeah yeah that's fascinating well yeah no i can see i mean this is the funny thing when
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apple started putting like icloud ads inside of the settings in the iphone you knew that they were pretty serious about subscription revenue and recurring revenue and that's obviously a shift
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that they're deciding to make as a company to just bring the numbers up and make a lot of money great um so yeah now that they've
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opened that faucet a little bit they realized oh yeah subscription revenue and dollars from advertising are pretty
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good hand-in-hand combo let's just open that faucet completely so yeah this doesn't surprise me as much
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as it's going to annoy me exactly um and like in terms of if you're thinking of almost tripling your
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revenue on that only adding it to apple maps like where do you think you could see it somewhere
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else inside the phone like we've had samsung in the past and we've criticized them relentlessly for this because they
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deserve it where you're getting in your notification bar like yeah ads for up there were ads to upgrade your phone to the for people using the brand new eighteen hundred dollar like fold three when they
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first in the first month it would be if it would feel like such a premium phone and you're like wow the performance is so much better and this screen is
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gorgeous and look how much they redid the software everything looks great and then you get a little pop-down banner ad that's like get a new galaxy 20 off and
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you're like what this is what is this this doesn't belong here such an odd uh what's the word when two things are uh an odd juxtaposition just a position
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it's an odd juxtaposition of things yeah um it's yeah i agree with that these premium phones it feels really strange on and i feel like at a
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certain point it shouldn't be there they're clearly going to want to make more revenue i think that's obvious to everyone and that's not just an apple
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thing that's everybody like we said samsung doesn't as well do you think there's any chance so we've
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shown off phones in the past like infinix where you are getting an extremely budget
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phone and you are getting that because of the fact that their ads on the phone now those are third-party ads those aren't first party
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um which i guess apple is still technically serving third it's third-party people paying apple to
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be an apple ad which is uh i guess still third party considered um do you think we could ever
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see a reduction in price on any apple phones as an ad version versus a no ad version nah no do you think we could see that in any other phone company that's larger than infinix say samsung say
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google something like that a cheap ad supported phone cheaper ad supported phones same phone i could see that as a
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way for some of the lowest priced ones to like find a way to break through to a new audience like you remember the
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amazon fire phone where they had a i'm pretty sure the amazon phone came out where they had one price for just buying the phone and they also had a lower price for i mean this is like kindle
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like an ads and you you expect there to be ads in the software but the phone's cheaper and you know that's what you're
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going to deal with i wouldn't really expect anybody paying more than a few hundred dollars to ever
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want to deal with that and saving a few bucks doesn't seem worth it but it depends on what becomes the norm
00:27:31
because again this is apple we're talking about and a lot of the bigger companies when they decide to do something it just becomes like
00:27:38
normal very quickly and then a lot of people just start to accept it in other phones and it could happen that way but
00:27:43
hopefully not i think that's what this whole article scares me about a little bit is the more we're seeing
00:27:49
apple do this and we've already seen samsung do it i just want to make sure that this is like not just an apple thing we're saying they're doing but
00:27:55
like yeah i'm worried about the more and more this is going to start popping up into phones and the more and more i'm
00:28:01
gonna feel like i'm watching cable television when i'm on my phone my notification bar is not safe my google
00:28:06
maps isn't safe my default apps aren't safe this i think this is one of the biggest reasons why i've
00:28:12
not gamed very much on my phone is because so many games are just full of ads and they they
00:28:19
almost require you i was playing a racing game where it's just like hey i was just playing the game for a while
00:28:25
for just like half an hour just like going through races and like winning losing some upgrading the car blah blah
00:28:30
and then at a certain point it said like you ran out of gasoline like you can't even play the game anymore unless you like
00:28:37
pay for gas and it was like would you like to pay for gas with tokens or by watching an ad i was like i just i
00:28:44
already bought the game like let me know you bought the game and a half yeah and it was just it was like you ran out of gasoline you need to you need some
00:28:50
version of getting more gas i think this is csr racing or something like that for for those who also play someone can
00:28:55
correct me if i'm wrong but i believe we mostly have clash of clans to thank for stuff like this because they've they were one of the
00:29:02
mobile games that really like brought micro transactions and i my biggest issue with micro transactions
00:29:07
is i always prefer the model where it is a free-to-play game that includes microtransactions that don't give you anything extra in the game they just give you aesthetic properties whereas
00:29:18
then there's like clash of clans pay to win type of games or even just like pay to advance like
00:29:24
you should be on the same playing field no matter what and then like you see riot is a perfect example
00:29:30
they're one of the biggest video game companies out there and their two main games are free to play with only aesthetic benefits and i spent way too
00:29:37
much money on both of those games just because you want the aesthetics unfortunately yes yeah i just looked it
00:29:43
up csr racing is free so this is it is definitely more along the lines of pay to play and also a little bit of pay to accelerate how good you get at it
00:29:54
because it's just literally modifying a car so yeah um yeah i don't know the world of
00:30:00
advertising is is obviously very complicated it's how our business works but it's how a lot of businesses work
00:30:05
too so it's hard for us to throw stones no we have that cast in stone is just like hey i if you that's i think that's
00:30:12
what it comes down to is our videos are free and ad supported but if you pay for a product like a
00:30:18
phone and then continue to get more ads it feels a little worse yeah i think the thing that's really throwing me is the
00:30:25
fact that it's like a it's a default app that comes on the phone that is then you have built in and
00:30:31
also like there is a little bit of a weird aspect of that like apple has done the program where you can eliminate being able to get tracked and get sold ads where a lot of companies big and small have
00:30:43
claimed revenue loss because of that well you'll still get ads they'll just be worse they're worse but that also
00:30:48
means they the companies selling those ads are getting far far less money so it's putting a big hit on to them and
00:30:54
then apple's swooping in now and saying like we got we got that let's take that ourselves um
00:31:01
which i guess if you're the one controlling it good for you they're they're really taking over
00:31:06
everything though in their ecosystem they're gonna make so much money it's gonna be wild how long do you think before they hit that that goal let's say
00:31:14
they just add it to maps and they'll also start making some more with like apple tv plus and stuff like that because they just recently started it
00:31:20
with um major league baseball they're now running the ads on on that yeah they'll do it in a year and a half i
00:31:26
think they'll get there i think they'll get their their 10 trillion bazillion dollars that they need um yeah now we'll
00:31:33
see though we'll see i'm looking forward to so iphones 14 14 max 14 pro 14 pro max they're all
00:31:40
coming out assuming in about a month basically we're actually pretty close we're getting really cool it's already august
00:31:47
sept august mid august right now so we expect those in mid-september so that keynote might be pretty revealing about some of the new services that's a really good as well point how do you
00:31:58
think they could potentially like you know apple's not going to come out at the keynote and being like we're
00:32:04
increasing your ads it's going to be like oh no we're personalizing recommendations in your default apps how
00:32:11
will they spin it you're saying yeah yeah what's the spin gonna be it's fantastic yeah they'll find a way
00:32:16
to say like we're gonna find new ways to recommend you apps and games you've never heard of and
00:32:22
seen before and also this isn't even like when they're at wwdc and they're talking to developers developers
00:32:28
specifically are people who want their apps and games to be seen by more people and they want to make more money from
00:32:33
their apps and games so in a keynote for wwdc they could be a little bit more direct yeah i felt like
00:32:39
we want to help you reach new audiences and increase revenue but uh the iphone keynote is just talking to everyone buying an iphone that's they would never say that they would
00:32:50
want to say something very positive and spinny and i'm sure they're already writing it allegedly it's already in production i think that's probably not a
00:32:57
surprise oh production the key for this keynote video which i guess is so they're doing some in-person events and they're doing some uh i guess i went to one in-person event
00:33:09
wwdc but it was a recording and we all went to the event to watch the recording so they're still doing this big recording and then playing it back on stage i don't know what the september
00:33:21
event is going to be it might be the same thing uh but yeah who knows allegedly they're
00:33:27
they're recording something now do you know where you heard that from that's i've never thought about how far in advance they do it i think twitter
00:33:33
somewhere i wish i remember i surprised the tweet we don't see more leaks from the early productions of live stuff i'm
00:33:40
sure that is the most tightly guarded production ever because apple has their own internal production but we're also not seeing it from like when samsung's
00:33:46
been doing it either or i guess they're doing more live no they're still doing recorded they're doing recorded stuff
00:33:54
but they record it like indoors like nobody has to see them outside like if they tried to do something like in times
00:33:59
square like here's a new samsung galaxy somebody would record it from the street yeah but this is all like super inside
00:34:06
protected stuff so it never leaks the presentation never leaks and the products already never leak that's not
00:34:11
true ask google but like the presentations like all these secretly guarded products get like
00:34:18
leaked all the time but those get leaked outside of them like recording videos those get leaked in other parts of the supply chain on their way to the stores
00:34:25
on their way to the whatever getting tested but the actual presentation which is
00:34:31
curiously probably the stuff that i'm most interested in seeing i want to see the behind the scenes i really want to
00:34:37
see behind the scenes i want to see the edit bay like where they edit those things where they're putting together all those graphics and those transitions
00:34:43
which have like a combination of like 3d and practical and like the the tours around apple campus through drone shots how much of that is a drone does media arts lab make the
00:34:55
apple keynote films do you think they have them do that or do you think that's like just their ad campaigns i think
00:35:02
well that's a good question it could just all i imagine it's all internal apple teams
00:35:08
right and they have their own production team who is probably working on all that stuff right but i don't think i'll ever tell us or tell me
00:35:20
i think they would tell you and they would tell anyone the thing is is we will never be able to see that because
00:35:26
of all the like embargoed stuff that is in the production so like while they would potentially be willing to like
00:35:33
invite somebody to actually see how it's made behind the scenes it's giving up way too much information way too early so that will never happen well what if
00:35:40
they let us record like show the behind the scenes process of making one of those keynotes
00:35:45
but then everything is embargoed until the keynote that would be that would be amazing it would be incredible and
00:35:51
if you're listening apple we would love to do that that would actually be the sickest behind the scenes ever i feel like with apple we find out information
00:35:57
from them the latest out of everybody and they still might not want you to even know any information that's being like do you
00:36:04
really want to see the behind the scenes of like you saw the samsung presence oh no no i don't care at all like it's not
00:36:09
as good no the amazing production that they put together i want to see how they make that i think they're just worried about
00:36:15
the information that's in that production i mean we're embargoes are pretty pretty good somebody would do it
00:36:21
eventually hopefully they'll soften up a little bit we'll soften them up a little bit give a little behind the scenes
00:36:27
uh maybe someday anyway we got to take a break we'll talk about the pixel 6a in a
00:36:32
second and also android 13 but until then trivia time all right this trivia question is dedicated to all the garden staters in the audience
00:36:47
reconstituted discs of new jersey breakfast pork are commonly and correctly referred to as you want to fight i think we're going to
00:36:57
disagree on this one i think we've called it different things i mean we'll we'll explain later yeah
00:37:04
we'll get there later at the trivia answers yeah all right be right back [Music]
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android 13 on the pixel 6. this was uh so far a pleasant surprise okay so actually this sort of developed for a while so david and i were keeping an eye on the android 13 betas
00:38:32
um we always look at the newest versions of ios and android when they come out and
00:38:38
sort of put together a top features list as they get like developed as they go through beta ios one that happened
00:38:44
already android came out in beta there wasn't really enough new stuff in the first beta to do a video on the new
00:38:50
features so we waited and then another beta came out and there wasn't really new stuff there so we kept waiting then
00:38:56
another beta came out there wasn't really enough new stuff there and then it just dropped early aosp
00:39:01
before the pixel 7. usually you have to wait till the new phone to get like the stable new version of android
00:39:07
um this week we just got android 13. now you'll only get it on a couple pixels the newest phones
00:39:13
i flashed it on my pixel 6 pro flashing it does wipe the phone so maybe there's a little extra benefit to me wiping my
00:39:20
phone and setting it up from scratch but i have now been using android 13 on the pixel 6 pro for a solid 24 hours
00:39:29
and it's been very good that's usually how it starts for me it usually starts very good but i did a
00:39:34
video on the new features uh and there is some pretty cool stuff definitely watch the video i think one of the most
00:39:40
interesting ones is apparently this is one of the most requested features of android for the past couple years
00:39:47
which is app specific languages so yes if you are bilingual if you speak two languages but maybe you only use one language in a certain app one or two
00:39:58
apps that you use maybe it's like whatsapp or like a you have a family group chat and another app or something like that that's just another language
00:40:04
over there and you don't want to have to change the entire system language to properly use
00:40:10
the app and the keyboard in that app you can now go into the system settings and switch over just one app to a
00:40:16
different language and it will change everything about the app to the new language and you can just work in one
00:40:22
language in a certain app that's pretty sick there's a bunch of other little features like that all sprinkled throughout
00:40:28
android 13. um i think most of the changes are bug fixes like it feels like android 12.1 or 12.2 to me which is fine that's it sounds like
00:40:40
fantastic yeah it's what android 12 like would have been nice if it was when it came out a little more stable a little
00:40:46
less bugs it's been smooth for me no problems uh but again i'm gonna have to keep my eye on it because you know this
00:40:52
is how pixels usually start out for me but it's really good there are way more wallpaper customization settings there's like 16 different color options now
00:41:03
my disappointment on the home screen is to see this themed icons thing i've seen a lot of twitter posts about so when that first came out it was just google apps so if you check that box it themes all
00:41:15
of your google apps on your home screen to be like monochromatic to match your custom colors
00:41:21
and in this new version of android 13 it was supposed to be able to theme like everything i checked the box it definitely doesn't
00:41:27
theme everything that's a lofty goal yeah so it's still like i have i have some pretty common apps spotify instagram they don't theme those like there's a lot of apps that don't get themed that's
00:41:38
what i found really interesting i think uh daniel bader posted a picture of his home screen and looking at it it one it
00:41:45
looks terrible because like he had maybe 12 apps on his home screen and probably four of them weren't matching with the
00:41:52
rest of them but it seemed like the four that weren't matching were really like you said spotify but then he had some
00:41:57
other apps that i'd never heard of before so it's really weird that the the super general ones
00:42:03
aren't getting skinned where the some like totally small scale programs i've never heard of
00:42:09
it is truly a head scratching combination like a lot of the google apps not all of the google apps but most if
00:42:17
not all of the google apps are all like skinned like youtube google drive photos all that stuff but like google wallet
00:42:23
isn't skinned for some reason and then instagram and spotify aren't skinned but you know what is uh relay pro really
00:42:34
and like the third-party reddit app yeah that one's skinned for some reason and pocketcast my podcast app like that it
00:42:41
doesn't really make a lot of sense which ones are versus aren't so my biggest problem with that is unless you happen
00:42:47
to have a home screen that only uses skinned apps it feels like i would never turn that on if it weren't all of them on my home screen because it would look so bad i was really looking forward to being able to flip the switch and just
00:43:00
have like a nice clean monochrome screen but the dream is dead it doesn't work um but yeah the you know android 13 looks
00:43:06
good a lot of smooth stuff a lot of good features in here uh worth checking out the video on my
00:43:12
top five i'm very interested mostly in the fact that you said it feels like a lot of bug fixes because i am still
00:43:18
using my pixel six i am increasingly still having more and more bugs um i think i've mentioned a lot of them you have the i have a screenshot here that i just showed you a second ago
00:43:29
but it is like yeah it is hilarious to me i i think i've mentioned before how my search bar on my home screen will despite always being forced dark mode on my phone every once in a while and
00:43:41
happening probably two or three times a week now we'll turn to light mode um and i've said it's just annoying it's mostly
00:43:47
an issue when i'm trying in the dark and now i get a white screen um so it happened to me the other day i searched
00:43:53
in light mode and then the result came in i don't know if you can see this we can put a screenshot of the phone but if
00:43:58
you're an audio listener the top part where it says google on the search bar is the light mode the bottom part with
00:44:04
like your share and discover and search is light mode but the middle results are
00:44:10
all dark mode it's weird it was really strange um it's just like another weird thing that happens that you like that's noticeable that's just something that feels like it's
00:44:21
constantly going wrong so i hope there's some bug fixes because i have a lot um so do you or do you have the download
00:44:27
pending or no i don't know did you also see um i can check right now but did you see
00:44:33
how apparently some of these uh some of the over-the-air updates for this were actually just putting people giving people android 12 downloads like full two gig downloads to
00:44:46
just put android 12 on their phone when they already had android well that was fascinating very odd funny
00:44:52
i we i did flash it like manually so i didn't wait for the over-the-air update but
00:44:57
it worked out for me obviously that was a little more foolproof but it wiped my phone
00:45:02
um i do not have the update right now but um now that you've used it for 24 hours
00:45:08
do you think it's worth doing the update right away or do you would you recommend most people wait no i'd say update
00:45:13
update it's all it's because it's again if it was like some huge thing like a bunch of ui changes and a bunch of crazy
00:45:19
features and maybe some of them weren't stable yet i would say wait but this really is like android 12.2 it's a lot
00:45:24
of fixes and a lot of improvements they move the settings and the quick settings down so you know how it's typically
00:45:29
right here in the middle yeah it got it down there in the corner where they don't know where we're going to take that little power button down there so
00:45:35
i think that's good a lot of good changes one last question on that do you think this could potentially be
00:45:40
dropping it early to have more people using it and maybe get a couple bug fixes out of 13 before they launch with
00:45:47
pixel 7 because the whole one of the big things that really hurt pixel 6 was the bugs that came with android 12 with that yeah it is odd that it launched early
00:45:59
that is an interesting theory uh if it is their intent i think it'll work because they now have a month of some early pixel adopters and some bug reports to like really lock up pixel 7's
00:46:12
experience before it comes out and then go super hard with pixel 7. um i can see that yeah i i think that's
00:46:19
a really good idea honestly you get that and you get to just build a little bit of hype potentially a month or two
00:46:24
before the release and then they're not going to do an event showing it off they're gonna do it at the event anyways
00:46:29
so why not build a little hype behind it the clipboard stuff is cool i think a lot of the features too if you read up
00:46:36
on android 13 are tablet focused and which basically keeps reminding me oh yeah right they did announce that they're gonna have a tablet coming out in like next year sometime
00:46:46
um including universal copy and paste between the phone and and the tablet which already exists for some other phones but it'll be built into android
00:46:52
so that'll be cool but yeah whenever the pixel tablet comes out that'll have a bunch of cool features
00:46:57
too with the roadster yeah exactly um did you see the couple people found out that on their
00:47:03
pixel 6a you could unlock 90 hertz yeah people were tweeting this at me well because i well first of all okay my big complaint big complaint i'm putting this in air quotes i think the pixel 6a is a
00:47:15
really good phone my biggest notable downfall of the pixel 6a when compared to other phones in this price range is well this one's still 60 hertz so while it is fast it isn't as smooth because
00:47:26
that high refresh rate helps it feel smoother um a lot of people fired right back at me for that how could you oh you know 60
00:47:33
hertz is plenty yeah obviously lots of phones are 60 hertz still but if you're going to be buying a new phone
00:47:40
most new phones for 500-ish dollars will give you a higher refresh rate sometimes it's 90. sometimes it's 120
00:47:47
and as someone who has used a lot of phones it's something i really think is worth getting at that price so
00:47:54
i noted that about pixel 6a but now with this headline a lot of people were sending this at me because apparently
00:48:00
this was a an intentional choice by google now knowing that the panel that they're
00:48:05
using actually does support 90 hertz potentially even 120 hertz so it's a nice flat 1080p oled display that is capable of running
00:48:18
theoretically at 90 hertz and refreshing at 90 hertz but google is locking everything with the pixel 6a at 60 hertz yeah from from everything i read is like
00:48:29
there's and there's quite a few people who did this and it seems like a total pain in the neck if you actually want to
00:48:35
do it is a very hacky way to do it yeah um but there are people who are getting 90 hertz out of their screens they're
00:48:41
running multiple benchmarks to show that it's 90 hertz and showing videos and pictures of it which is also kind of
00:48:47
hard to confirm but i think enough people have done it where it seems like it's totally believable that that this
00:48:53
is happening but um this is so funny because it's like it's clearly not the same group of people but it is really
00:48:58
funny hearing people get mad that i called out the 60 hertz on the pixel 6a and then theoretically a bunch of the
00:49:04
same people are going but look it can do 90 hertz i thought i thought that didn't matter to you i thought you didn't care about
00:49:10
90 hertz oh you oh you do care about 90 hertz okay well yeah you can also buy a pixel six
00:49:16
by the way yeah if you really want 90 hertz yeah from everything that i read of what you have to do it seems crazy
00:49:23
hacky it seems like it comes with a lot of problems there's some people are have like crazy green tint on it because the
00:49:28
phones then not calibrated for like the new the new like how it's seeing the screen and then also
00:49:35
a lot of people were saying that they were doing it and then when they would get the new option that says like smooth display and then they would turn that on
00:49:41
the screen would just go black so i would like highly highly not recommend doing this to your phone um
00:49:48
i think you need to be pretty like an kind of an expert or like pretty experienced to be able to do it
00:49:53
but it probably shouldn't be done um i'm sure google kept it at 90 for a reason i don't think they're sorry 60 for a
00:50:00
reason i don't think they're trying to hide all that much from you it probably just makes far more sense i'm also
00:50:05
pretty sure this won't be the first or last phone that has a display that is technically capable of a higher refresh
00:50:11
rate that is locked it's nice i did see mention in here that apparently there was an asus phone at one point that it
00:50:16
was advertised as 120 but you could unlock it to 160 i think oh wow wow i mean sure but yeah yeah so my uh my continued rampage
00:50:27
against 60hz phones including all of the iphones that are super expensive and don't have higher fresh rate will
00:50:32
probably not end anytime soon so fair yeah but it is kind of interesting seeing that this was an intentional
00:50:37
choice uh i will say this is one of the questions we have at the end like if how many extra points would he give the pixel 6 say if it had a higher refresh rate out the box i wonder how much it would affect you
00:50:49
know things like battery life and overall efficiency of the phone google probably made that calculus already which is why they landed on what they
00:50:55
decided to land on but uh yeah we'll see what pixel 7's lineup looks like i'm gonna i'm gonna be
00:51:02
very curious about that lineup the pricing the phones the features that they launch with how they follow up
00:51:07
pixel 6 with a pixel 7 and a pixel 7 pro and then waiting a few months and then a
00:51:14
theoretical pixel 7a what does that choice look like for google we'll see but yeah i think that's it i'm still so hard in the the group i really think they should just release all three at
00:51:27
the same time i wouldn't be mad at all but like also the the iphone se is like mid-cycle the uh even the the nord for one plus is mid cycle like they don't
00:51:37
know but don't follow what oneplus does i would try and do the opposite of what plus that's what oneplus says totally fair okay yeah we'll leave it at that
00:51:44
trivia answers i i i feel like there's could be a potential i i feel optimistic today which probably
00:51:50
means i'll get everything wrong all right let's wrap up this beautiful day of trivia all right so question
00:52:01
number one was put the following google products in chronological order google pay google wallet and android pay
00:52:14
now does it matter who goes first do we know i kind of have my logic i i mean i have
00:52:20
one with we are working on a different way of doing this we will continue to do it
00:52:26
right now it will say we want to make it fun but i can talk through my logic okay what i think the answer is do you want
00:52:32
me to just say mine off the top if you want because i have no logic but okay yeah okay i reverse what you said so pay
00:52:40
wallet android pay google wallet google pay is my answer i'm close i think android pay this is hilarious because they're all so basically the same thing but android pay i believe was first
00:52:53
because there was uh there was apple pay there was samsung pay i think that that's just the
00:53:00
first thing that they called it okay and i know that google wallet is the newest version that encompasses what used to be is it the pay service so i think it's android pay
00:53:12
google pay google wallet no isn't pay the new one wait what's on my phone i looked now so i can't so i waited till after i gave my answer
00:53:24
and looked uh i guess i don't have it on my phone what you have a pixel wait yeah come down from the top here we go where's my wallet is it wallet or pay it doesn't show up
00:53:38
this is what did it show up for you this is what i think what do you have g pay google pay so google pay i'll accept g pay and google pay as being the uh okay well and
00:53:51
then it says welcome wait you have gpa on your phone it says g pay and then it's called it says welcome to google
00:53:56
pay but my my pixel says show access to wallet from lock screen yeah what version of android are you on 12 you're on twitter oh wait no i have a wallet also we
00:54:08
okay now i'm very confused i'm glad i went with no logic i think my logic is the wallet includes pay because
00:54:16
pay is the service that you can use to like pay for google play services or like pay for google
00:54:22
subscriptions and things like that inside apps and so the wallet includes google pay but also includes other cards
00:54:28
and gives you like the card so you can pay with like tap to pay with tap to pay and things like that i think you're right so i think it's i think it's
00:54:34
judging by else's reaction to seeing g i'm pretty sure you're right okay so sure okay so marquez you're you're
00:54:41
really close i think close enough for points uh i'll take the points so you're right uh android pay came out in 2015
00:54:49
um then google pay came out uh in 2018 and then they both got combined into google wallet in 2022. yeah the part that you left out is that
00:55:01
in 2011 google put out a product called google wallet so there are two google wallets
00:55:09
google wallet and android pay got merged into google pay in 2018 and then both of
00:55:15
those got renamed to google wallet in this year i remember david ranting about this at some point this question took so
00:55:24
long to research to find out just duo is the real answer to this the real answer is google wallet android pay google pay and then google wallet again so you have one i have to use one
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twice that's crazy but i i think i feel like that's i feel like you're close i was like 75 yeah i feel like maybe maybe
00:55:46
adam will disagree but he's not here so i'm giving you we did it we did a thing before where like the closest one would get the points so i i think you should
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you can get you should get the point all right but now the real the real heater of the question the real tech question
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yeah reconstituted disks of new jersey breakfast pork are commonly and correctly referred to as i'm going to not get the points but stand by taylor cam i i read the points
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i respect the decision but i'm standing by it it's purple it is pork roll yeah incorrect it's taylor ham sorry
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i go and i have enough anecdotal evidence there needs to be somewhat of an ex can you explain a
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little bit because this is ultra regional okay i went to school in hoboken and there is
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a really really nice bagel shop on the corner of seventh in washington i believe on my way to campus
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and anytime i went in there i got a taylor hammack and cheese and that's what it said on the board and it's hoboken and it's a bagel shop and it's
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just like whatever they say all right so that's where i got it and then i moved and i also had a bagel shop near me when
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i moved and they also i guess i didn't ask for pork roll but i i got a taylor hambuck and cheese every time and they
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made it exactly how i wanted it and that's just what i call it yeah yeah to to explain if you didn't get what it was
00:57:02
by reconstitute pork disc um it's like a it's a breakfast meat pretty much similar to like
00:57:08
canadian bacon a little fattier a little more processed i think it's like the hot dog of canadian bacon if a hot dog was a
00:57:15
breakfast disc that's what it is we love it in new jersey it's ultra regional like you can probably
00:57:20
find it in philly and new york city but like yeah it's very very common in new jersey um and it is like
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there are two there are two arguments in new jersey and that is which we had during the break um
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for a very long time this is gonna be a long episode to edit but is it pork roll or taylor ham what is the name of it so
00:57:39
taylor ham's the company and pork roll is what it's called interesting um and then it's is there a
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central jersey or not which is like which is a funny it's like spare you that it's like kleenex and tissue
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exactly it's all it's mandated in bandage yeah but you better be eating taylor ham brandon
00:57:58
north jersey calls it taylor ham south jersey calls it pork roll that makes sense it's generally central jersey
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calls it what with that thank you for tuning into waveform this week uh we appreciate everything we'll catch you guys next week getting busy soon uh oh it's real soon it's real it's like
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