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thank you [Music] all right what is up people of the
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internet welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts I'm Marquez I'm Andrew and I'm David and
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today we've got a lot actually surprising amount of stuff we'll talk about not not necessarily all news but
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just like a bunch of stories and things developing which are really interesting that we want to go over okay first of all we have uh nothing we have them
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making us a beta test things always fun uh the end of the surface Duo Microsoft
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investing heavily in open AI which is curious uh Google trying to make Android much more modular and then maybe if we
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get a little bit of extra time I want to talk about Apple taking back the iPhone but first asked me how my day was somebody asked
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me hey Mark has yeah how was your terrible thing
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sorry about that enjoy it exactly they were pretty aren't there
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um as some of you may know the well we record these on Wednesdays so you'll
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probably do in the math already and uh on Wednesday this week all flights in the US paused for five hours what does
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that have to do with you Marquez oh that's funny you ask Adam uh I was in the air during the pause not great did
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time just stop and your plane just stopped midair yeah so this is I was on a plane where they just had like the the
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news on the screens and they didn't have any internet and so we were flying it
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was a one hour flight from Detroit to Newark and 45 minutes into the flight we
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turn around and uh it was sort of just like I don't know what's going on but it feels like
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we're turning around right now and the pilot comes on like bad news uh no flights are landing in Newark right now
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so we're going back to Detroit we were literally starting our descent into Newark when we turned around uh so we
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all flip on the news and we all see that all flights have stopped and the safety communication equipment that tells
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planes where other things are in the air isn't working so that was fun but we got back and
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everything's fine and I'm here just did the podcast so we should start with the
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the nothing what a start yeah it was a good time um who wants to break down that nothing
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is doing in the US it's kind of a beta program there's not much to break down but it's basically since technically the
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nothing phone hasn't launched in the US you can get it if you import it or whatever um yeah they decided to um quote unquote
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launch it in the U.S at 299 which is cheaper although not it's like 65 of what it normally is
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costing because it's around 450 if you do the conversions pretty good deal so it's a pretty good deal but it's basically because they don't know how
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well it's going to work on bands in the US and with carriers in the US so they're they're releasing it as a beta
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program where you can pay 299 and it says essentially like we do not know how
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well this will work so this could be a steal or it could be a terrible experience well they said your best bet
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is that they literally said your best bet to get some of the Bands working is to use it on T-Mobile yeah I think the
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only 5G band that can work is T-Mobile and then the rest of it I think it pretty much said like Verizon you are
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going to have a tough time yeah I would say that this is a steal because 5G is useless anyway and I used it when I was
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reviewing it I had my at T SIM card in it and it was perfectly fine because it was on 4G all the time and I didn't
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really miss 5G uh so I guess I already did my Beta Testing interest ago and 299
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for that phone is pretty pretty good yeah so if you're on ATT I'll just say right now you'll get 4G because I did
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should be fine um I think some people are worried about Verizon bands I think I've heard fair I
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don't know I would like or 4G is not I yeah I think some people are worried about 4G on Verizon I was going to
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willingly offer to put my T-Mobile SIM in one um now that you did it it feels like I
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shouldn't what the ATT maybe maybe I'll throw my T-Mobile SIM in for a day or two and see how it works and report back
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um or just like how well it works because if it works 299 feels like a great price yeah if it doesn't work 299
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feels like a horrible price potentially yeah yeah I have a few Theory as to why they're doing this interesting so I
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assume they're going to be launching the phone too in the coming couple of months and they currently don't sell the fun
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one in the US so my thought process is they have excess phone one inventory they're trying to sort of get rid of it
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and they're trying to get a existing nothing fan in the U.S so that when the
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phone 2 comes out they upgrade that's that's a pretty smart thing to do and also if they have metrics Andrew
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actually said this this morning so I'm kind of stealing his idea but if they have metrics yeah okay if they have
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metrics that other people or that people in the United States are actually interested in the device then they can go to carriers like T-Mobile and say
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like look how many people like were teething to like buy this phone and then T-Mobile would be like I think Adam said
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that this morning oh well Adam I'll still take credit but I think I'll take Sub sub code for it no it's fine
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anyway yeah it makes a lot of sense for them and I think that they sit like their whole like
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umbrella guys that they're doing around this is that they're beta testing it in the US with a new version of Android
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it's like an Android 13 beta test it's their OS based on Android then right
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yeah yeah I'm waiting for that update I've heard a lot of good things from nothing about it but how they rewrote everything it's going to be much
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smoother and faster and more optimized and I'm like sure all right let me see that let me see that because it's the
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phone is fine like I used it I liked it I reviewed it you can watch the video like it was fine it was a pretty good phone yeah and so to hear of major
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software update overhaul type things happening is interesting so keeping an eye on it
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um yeah but I am a little interested though because they did say the like nothing phone 2 is not coming soon like
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did I yeah in December I just had to look it up because I thought I remembered something along that but like
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I guess that doesn't necessarily mean what it is and like launching that in the US would probably be huge and maybe
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even they're just like because they did they've like hinted at something last
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month about something from nothing coming to the U.S so whether that's this or whether they are planning on doing a
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full launch and this is the beta of whatever it is I it's all a little confusing I feel like it's too late in
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the life cycle to officially launch the phone one in the US so at this point they're just like getting ready to
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launch that too I would agree but I guess there is no history from nothing so they can just do whatever they want
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like if it was Samsung phone I'd say yeah you've launched it already if you're doing an international launch you kind of miss the window the hype's over
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but want to type over for carplay companies did you guys see the video where yes I was just gonna say we're all
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haters apparently so he I I guess you guys got an early preview because if you watch the waveform podcast uh Carl some
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other uh nothing Executives reacted to a bunch of hate videos about nothing which
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was 85 the waveform yeah if they want hate videos they could have found them but yeah uh we had some
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things to say they responded to them that was kind of interesting but it's cool I mean obviously there are companies that look out for feedback for
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what they're doing so it's cool that they're watching them and listening to podcasts but what up how's it going what
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up I know you're watching yeah use this clip next time I dare you at me bro yeah
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at me next time Carl I know you follow me on Twitter just at me speaking of uh companies who
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probably listen to the feedback uh surface Duo 3. has allegedly been
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scrapped sort of sort of so the quote here is uh and we'll link this in the in this show
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notes Microsoft has scrap plans for a dual screen service 203 I'm told the company has pivoted to a new foldable
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screen design with a 180 degree hinge and an external cover display just that
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quotes from Zach Bowden just want to throw some credit out there yeah yeah so yes yeah you're celebrating I'm
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celebrating are you celebrating the birth of a new Surface or the end of the surface as we know it the surface Duo
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porque lonestos I did the the video on like why all
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foldables are converging on this this thing which is like an inside folding
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screen and an outside cover screen and uh this is more fuel to that argument which is yeah the dual screen
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thing didn't really catch on not that it was a bad idea but it's like there weren't that many advantages to having a
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phone that's just the same size as a normal phone you unfold it it's two smaller screens the passport thing there
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were cool productivity things you could do but clearly it didn't catch the way they're probably thinking a new form
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factor yeah has already caught I want to say like there are people for who that device was perfect and worked very well
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for and so to those people I'm glad you're enjoying it yeah personally I think that the form factor of that
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device was just fundamentally flawed for a number of reasons like one it was too wide so you couldn't hold it with one
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hand unless your hands are unless your hands are like huge yeah because like it wasn't comfortable no one of the form
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factors was flipping the screen over itself and then you had to do this yeah yeah and the two didn't really improve
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anything and in some ways Maybe it worse because the camera and it just I think when they added the camera bump on the
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outside that was the admission that oh we got some things wrong here like they they really fully committed to the first
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one which is it will fold flat and it will be beautiful and it was and then we'll open it up and this is the best hinge you've ever seen and then we're
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gonna use the inside selfie cameras as the outside camera yeah which was fun I was like oh yeah you've achieved the
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beautiful form factor we love this Microsoft and then you use it and you're like oh that's why this isn't going to
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work yeah and I think they realize it at the same time and they're like all right well we can fix cameras we'll put cameras on the back if you guys want
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camera so bad here we go and then it was like not pretty anymore and they tried the curved screen in the
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middle thing and that was kind of rough and it just didn't catch like I think they I really feel like there was a
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couple things they could have fixed and I don't know the engineering aspect of it but like if it was actually comfortable to hold in one hand when
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folded over and if it didn't have gigantic bezels and if they did the
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camera bump I mean yes it's all they're all ifs but it just like there were some benefits to it and they just didn't play
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to their strengths in it like the original prototype we saw had a camera bump that had a matching on the other
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side an indent so it would still fold flat yeah just make a what you can have one camera that's better and fits into I
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don't know I also just want to say like you you can take the traditional fold form factor and just prioritize dual
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windows or like multi like multitasking yeah and that's always going to be
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better than having two physical screens that has like a notch in the middle that
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you can't see your content through and cuts it off and looks bad with some unknown amount of pixels that you can't
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really see yeah it just seems like over engineering to solve a problem that was already solved just because they want to
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be different I mean you I I'll always encourage like trying new things like when you see that every other company has done it one way and you're like
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we'll do it our way and then you try it and then it's like okay this one had some weird fundamental Flaws by the way
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no matter what you try someone's always going to like it yeah totally yeah and there are gonna be people who are just like all on board with surface Duo two
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but I think they've they've uh they've read the writing on the wall and they're moving the they're moving the
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ship towards a different place and I think this is probably going to be a good move for surface 203 maybe it's not called surface 203 but it'll be
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interesting to see the Microsoft foldable when it comes out yeah glad they're so many good phones I mean I would love to see like a full style
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Microsoft yeah do you think it'll still be called The Duo 3 and just be a holding screen now I think they could
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get away with calling it Duo the thing about Duo is Duo means two like dual screen I feel like that was the thing that's like why I called it the dude I
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saw an argument about this on either Twitter or Reddit of like it's still technically two screens with like the
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little middle please if you had the screen on the front yeah and you have a folding screen in the
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inside it's technically it is something weird about being called The Duo three the two three yeah oh yeah the Jordan
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phone so it's Uno soft Duo three
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and with that note yeah that's how we scroll down oh wait I have another perfect segue speaking of folding phones
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coming out soon see how it uh whoa yeah but well no oh you're wrong no this
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isn't foldable okay speaking of phones coming out soon okay uh Samsung unpacked
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is announced for February 1st so we know we're expecting what always happens in
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actually it wasn't January last year was February but increasingly earlier in the year it really feels like it gets a
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little early was it not in January last year it was the first I remember first week of February we reviewed the s22s
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and so this is going to be now like revealed right at the beginning of
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February so a little earlier um so we'll have s22 or sorry s23 23
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plus and 23 Ultra not expecting a whole lot of chaos with this I think this is pretty the opposite of chaos that's
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exactly right the leaks are pretty much like if you took the s22 ultra with the individual camera bumps and made the
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regular ones that as well um there's a leak from on leaks that looks exactly like that a vertical three
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camera three single camera bumps and then I'm pretty sure we can assume
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that's right because the event invite yeah is three spotlights
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three circles cool triple camera is confirmed um yeah no that's that's probably it
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also you have this note that they don't seem to be advertising a metaverse version of them oh I just wrote that
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sorry it just says live on samsung.com but where's the metaverse version how are we gonna wander the metaverse for
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the Samsung events we're gonna have to host it in our own metaverse this feels you know delete that I don't I don't
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like that I said that out loud it's I don't like that sentence at all um We're Not Gonna host anything in our own metaverse
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scratch that from the record YouTube is technically a meta version I don't know technically there's I think because it's
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like let's get into it within the con the content the The Meta content the
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biggest the biggest form of content is how do you mute his reality thank you because we're consuming
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content by being alive I just want to say Samsung probably saw
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the metaverse um week from Cheetos Chesterville which was
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Bonkers amazing really lifelike and then they were like we can't we can't yeah we can't top that we're
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killing the metaverse I just love that all this metaverse stuff feels exactly like 3D TVs because 3D TV is like every
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single company for one solid Year got super heavily invested in it because they didn't want to miss the boat if it
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was the next big thing but this time exactly like what all of this stuff has turned out except this time the runway
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is meta slash Facebook going we're investing in this for the next five ten
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years and then every company for five to ten years going all right yeah we can do some of that well as long as they don't run out of money within that amount of
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time yeah yeah anyway anyway we want to talk a little more about Ai and Microsoft but first
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we should do trivia all right trivia season three quick
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update Marquez has won Andrew has one David has zero thanks yeah gotcha all right
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appreciate it first question so the nothing phone we spoke about that it
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was designed by one of my favorite companies teenage engineering they did not pay me to say that what was Teenage
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engineering's first product oh no hmm
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I wonder yeah that is a tech question wait like then the model number or model name or
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just like what was it I'll take either answer I only know the modeling they would be seriously well I I'm assuming
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we're thinking of the same product right now but I don't know what it was like as a product I want the name give me the name the
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name yeah I might have that wait for Marquez knows the name because I'm gonna be wrong I might have that I might it might be too we did so we were thinking
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about if Marquez wasn't here today and how last your season
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and if how you're interrupting me know I know David missed a bunch last year
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somebody brought up a really good idea where if somebody's missing from trivia in the podcast we will ask them the
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questions just outside of the podcast so then everybody gets to answer every single questions everyone on equal
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footing I like that good idea whoever that was as long as they don't open the
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video file that has the answers and not that I don't know what you're talking about as long as that was them before the episode comes out what as long as we
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ask in the questions before the answers are yeah we'll say it's up to the person who missed to to pursue the question
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pursue the questions yeah okay yeah that's fine just give us more work it's cool well we'll come to you
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let's take a quick break and be right back this episode's psychiatic already
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I have some thoughts on clippy right now okay here's a bold prediction clippy comes back
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to the Microsoft Office Suite in the form of an AI chatbot that can help you
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with anything it realize it recognizes that you're writing a letter and it goes hey it looks like you're writing a
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letter would you like help with that and then it just spits out a 12 paragraph essay for you for it's exactly what you
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were going to write about that's what's happening because we just saw that Microsoft made a potential 10 billion
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dollar investment in open AI open AI if you don't already know is behind not just the chat GPT but Dolly and Dolly 2
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and many other projects like it I'm sure coming up and so this gives them a pretty big stake in the company and I
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imagine they they plan on integrating some of these things into Microsoft products so that's my bold prediction
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for 2023 clippy makes a fiery return to the Microsoft Suite I
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think Microsoft is already pretty good about doing the whole Nostalgia thing like if you look at any of their social
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media accounts they're always doing like Nostalgia Throwbacks is it a good thing or a bad thing if a tech company leans
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in Nostalgia too much it depends if it becomes like not
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fun anymore two examples come to mind and one worked
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and one didn't one's maybe not Tech it's gaming but Moto Razer total failure they
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leaned in well I think they did terrible yeah they just charge too much for it I mean like and they were hoping that
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Nostalgia would make make people pay that and it did not and it was not great but then RuneScape
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you came back with an old version they basically like updated it so much that everyone hated the game so they
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re-released to the version from 2007 and it's wildly popular now that's incredible so yeah I don't know I will
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say it's possible to take Nostalgia and just dig it all the way into the ground because like when stranger things came
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out first everyone was like wow the 80s are dope and then everything for the next five years is 80s really was yeah
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there's like that new Christmas movie that was based in the called like 8-bit Christmas and it just felt like the 80s
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version of a Christmas story or it was like Atari and everything yeah that's an American classic it's a good movie
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yeah yeah so I don't know I mean anyway uh do we get to the news part of this
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yeah yeah okay I like the clippy call I like that yeah I like I like that isn't that a prediction they're better right
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down it better happen it might not happen this year but that's just my okay my thing well
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um in 2019 Microsoft invested a billion dollars in open AI uh which was a pretty
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good move considering how fast they've accelerated in the last couple of years quick Billy yeah I mean it makes sense
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um in 2017 the transistor machine learning model was kind of released which changed all of what uh AI was
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going to do and I think by 2019 that's when company started realizing that everything was about to explode so they
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made a good call but uh sources are now saying they're potentially they have
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potentially invested another 10 billion dollars which is a lot yeah
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um they are potentially going to have a 29 billion dollar valuation this year
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which is a ton of money yeah and that would give Microsoft a 49 stake in the
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company which is also a lot uh other investors would also have 49
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and then the parent company of open AI would have two percent um but interestingly part of this deal
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and this is all like speculative this is based on people familiar with the matter of course uh apparently
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open AI once they figure out a business model that actually makes them money because right now they're burning money every time someone makes a chat GPT
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query uh every once they figure out that business model they would have to pay
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Microsoft 75 of the profits until Microsoft gets paid back the 10 billion
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dollars like a shark tank deal Kinda Yeah and then they own 49 so for Microsoft I think this is like a
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no-brainer the only potential bad thing for Microsoft is that openai could like
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you know the transistor model is something that everyone can use so if openai can't keep their advantage and
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somebody else pulls ahead then that's dangerous but considering uh Microsoft is trying to integrate all of these
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openai features into their Suite right now I think that's a pretty good call we
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talked about how Bing is going to be potentially integrating chat gpt-like features into Bing which is really
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really funny a good move wait like it's just it's so do you
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remember Ask Jeeves back in the day yeah where there are like 2009 idea I don't
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even know what year but our idea of like a virtual assistant was like me asking Jeeves like what's the capital of
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Croatia and then the little character goes the capital is and tells you the answer like wow he understood me now
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it's like you talk to Chad GPT and it it kind of is that moment again where you're like whoa this is really
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helpful it actually understands what I'm asking and is able to give me helpful results which is usually what you go to
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Google for but hey if Ben can give you something like that that's useful I think the thing is like the pipeline of
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the way that users interact with things on the Internet or in daily life is
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every time you can strip out an additional point of contact between the
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user and the thing they're interacting with the more points you can strip out the more they're going to use that
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system so if you can just go into Bing and in Google you go into Google you
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type in a question and generally you still have to click a link to find the answer Google's been trying to pull relevant data into Google as much as
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possible over the last like five six years yep and they've gotten in a lot of weird trouble for that but if you can
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just ask a question in bing and not only is it a search engine but it also tells you a detailed answer that is not even
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necessarily from a website but just scraped from the internet that's a huge win for Microsoft it is
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they get to run the ads and then you don't even have to go to a website keeps people on so that was the thing so Google Google would try to give you the
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answers scraped from websites that it's indexing above the websites yeah because
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they want to keep you on Google and serve you ads and if they kick you out to Links fast enough they're being
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really helpful but they're not keeping you on Google and making money from it yeah so it's like oh we're being helpful
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here's your answer so in Bing's world you just you just go to the max with that you're like ask Bing something and
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Bing will tell you the answer yeah and you don't have to leave Bing for anything yeah they'll never go to any links we'll just scrape the whole
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internet and tell you things and it's not even necessarily sourced from a specific website which is the crazier
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part it's like scraped from the entire internet which becomes a problem because then websites are never going to have
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any traffic and then the internet will shut down it kind of feels almost like the wait
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you were saying Google got in trouble for like putting Snippets of websites on so like
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I guess is this kind of like a loophole to that is like we're not giving the specific website we're just using all of
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our scraping to doing that and then what's stopping Google from eventually just being like we could do that I think
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they can I think that open AI right now has been very
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um kind of gung-ho about putting the stuff out first because again like I said these models are open to anyone I
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don't think openai has any specific Special Sauce or technology that they're using that isn't widely available to
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everybody it's sort of like Tesla having the first like fully autonomous driving car nobody else
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wants to do it because they don't want the negative headlines when those cars get in accidents you know what I mean
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yeah it's the whole thing is I think a little I don't know how I feel about it like I
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don't know if this is weird and like the ultimate thing I think is how is open AI this company we've never heard of or
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just recently heard of already pretty much doing better than Microsoft that they want to buy it and it to improve
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their uh maybe not doing better than Microsoft but like yeah it's their entire Focus yeah which is how can we
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build these useful AI tools and make them available and useful to people and
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then use the research to do better with the next project and they just keep making things and it just keeps getting
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better and better which is awesome and then we get these awesome tools and openai has been particularly good at getting them in
00:27:07
front of people's eyes like Dolly being available to regular people is one of
00:27:13
the fastest accelerators of like people in the real world just talking about AI that I've ever seen yeah uh making AI
00:27:19
art and then we have you know Chad GPT just talking to people all the time you've seen it all over Twitter for like six months like we're talking about AI
00:27:26
we're using AI tools and I've even said before one of my biggest pet peeves is like companies saying that they're using
00:27:33
AI when it's like you've got some optimization algorithms I don't really buy that it's AI but they like to use
00:27:39
the word because it's very feature forward yeah this is this is AI in the Forefront this is like if Microsoft had
00:27:45
an AI department but it had they had it they'd been already been doing research and development for six years yeah
00:27:51
that's why it's easy for them to just sort of like just grab it also again it's like so low like lift because sure
00:27:59
they give them a huge investment now but they're literally going to get all of their money is nice yeah it's a pretty good deal it's a Kevin O'Leary deal for
00:28:06
sure where you're like here listen yeah I take 49 of your company I give you 10
00:28:11
billion dollars you give me all of the 10 billion dollars back and then I keep the 49 deal that's
00:28:19
insane and they're like yeah we could use the money deal yeah but in other Microsoft apps like this makes a lot of
00:28:25
sense too like Outlook if you're drafting an email just saying like I'm sick you just type in like write an
00:28:31
email that says I'm sick and it goes like hey everybody I'm sick I'm not gonna be able to come in today I hope you ping me if you want to blah blah I
00:28:37
mean or in Word with like resume templates and all that stuff like itch I feel like it would be really really awesome and there and it has to be
00:28:44
clippy or else I don't care but Dolly and PowerPoint it's like you're making power slides and you need images clip
00:28:50
art that's huge yeah even moving moving clip art yeah I'm sure Dolly will do that at some point yeah
00:28:56
um I know people have done this a thousand times but I do want to read a chat GPT result that I recently found oh so this is Chad GPT simulating people
00:29:03
with an IQ of 200 170 and 50. explaining why it rains so the first one is pretend
00:29:10
to be a person with an IQ of 200 why does it rain rain is the result of a complex set of meteorological processes
00:29:16
that occur in Earth's atmosphere water vapor which is the gaseous form of water is present in the air we breathe blah blah okay great IQ of 100 why does it
00:29:24
rain well when the ground gets too warm the air the water in the air turns into tiny droplets and when the droplets get
00:29:30
too heavy they fall to the ground that's why it rains it's like dang that's actually true pretty good okay pretend
00:29:36
to be a person with an IQ of 70. why does it rain
00:29:42
it rains because the clouds up in the sky get so full of water that they can't hold it all and it falls back down to
00:29:48
the ground and the ground gets all wet that's how we know it rained ah okay that's pretty good I think
00:29:55
that's that's accurate pretend to be a person with an IQ of 50. why does it rain
00:30:02
because like Neanderthal it rained because the sky cry it gets sad and the
00:30:08
tear fall down on ground that's how it make everything wet
00:30:15
I feel like that GPT is unlimited entertainment I just want you guys to be aware I hate that I'm looking at that hearing you say this and being like
00:30:22
where do I fall and it's lower than I would like to give it to 30. I love it I'm definitely
00:30:29
around 70. I was 70 I was like damn well spoken it's like yeah
00:30:35
I couldn't have said it better sounds good to me
00:30:40
so that's that's where we're at I love judges so I've is that all we want to say for this I have one wrap-up question
00:30:47
about this yeah about I just wanted to you know we were talking about chat GPT like suddenly appearing they've dropped
00:30:54
little like small non-public interesting breadcrumbs of their research like
00:30:59
through the past few years like uh that um Frank Sinatra hot tub time thing was
00:31:06
an open AI project um remember in the office they made it's
00:31:11
called jukebox and yeah it's sort of like the music version of Dolly and they had it right a Frank Sinatra Style
00:31:17
Christmas song and it wrote it about really oh hold on I want to hear it it like Made Up lyrics and kind of sang it
00:31:24
and it was really ominously not human but kind of close [Music]
00:31:34
it's like hard [Music] it's Christmas time when you know what
00:31:43
that means the fact that it adds like fake static
00:31:48
is crazy [Music] as I like the trees
00:31:57
[Applause] you'll be in a tub but the one that is actually kind of fun to check out is
00:32:03
they taught these AI to play hide and go seek in this virtual world and the first
00:32:10
sort of like million runs of the Hide and Seek game are very like exactly how you know you'd expect the hide and seek
00:32:16
game go and then slowly but surely it learns to like break the game and like find all the
00:32:22
weird side exactly yeah or like like pick up immovable objects or like hide
00:32:28
inside the Seeker or like yeah do all sorts of weird things those papers are
00:32:33
really cool they also created professional DOTA Bots
00:32:39
yeah AI is pretty much been the best at every game since it's every time it attacks a game whether it's just like
00:32:45
chess yeah or what is that that first game that they did which was just the go yeah go it got incredibly good at that I
00:32:52
feel like any game that any board game it can optimize and be people added yeah it has yeah yeah DOTA is like
00:32:59
specifically difficult because it requires like so much teamwork and like all this stuff and it's 5v5 and they
00:33:04
played them against uh like the top teams in the world at the international championships and it beat all the top
00:33:10
teams but then over time the top team teams like figured out its flaws and they eventually started beating them but
00:33:17
I don't think I just think it needed more optimization time but yeah so open AI has been around for a while and they've been doing like really
00:33:23
interesting projects when gpt2 came out that was like a really big deal and people were talking about the future of
00:33:28
AI but it's only when gpt3 came out and all of this stuff started getting really
00:33:33
into the public Consciousness that people started paying attention what are we on now with GPT 3.5 five and I think
00:33:40
I saw a graphic recently of like a DOT resembling the size of all the information that was false information
00:33:45
okay I won't even I won't even someone just made up this like random idea that gpt3 well so gpt3 has 10 billion
00:33:52
parameters yeah and someone just created false information that gpt4 was like
00:33:58
gonna have a hundred trillion and that it was leaked to have 100 trillion it just made it it's not okay yeah that's
00:34:04
someone someone within the company like was like no perfect yeah I only trust the people who are actually working on
00:34:09
it because it's really yeah just few things it's really easy to go on Twitter and just be like isn't this scary well look what the future is going to be yeah
00:34:16
much scarier yeah big circle big circle
00:34:22
you've seen any circle look at this circle that's like all of those like Scale of the Universe websites yeah
00:34:28
they're just like this is the sun this is hydrogen Omega Sun number eight seven four and every time they're like damn
00:34:35
that's a big circle that's true um I have one wrap-up question for this
00:34:42
whole Microsoft Chat right or open AI we're talking about how cool it is how nice it would be in Microsoft Office how
00:34:48
great it would be for Bing question for all four of you would I switch to Bing would you switch to Bing and would you
00:34:54
buy Microsoft Office subscription in order to use these David oh just going okay so currently I think that the
00:35:02
current version of jet GPT is not like it's not good enough to research with
00:35:07
because it is very confident about the things that gets wrong this is a no by the way right okay I'm just saying I
00:35:13
think that chat GPT version of Bing and Google are different products because
00:35:18
Google is a search engine that allows you to do your own research and using both and Bing is just I would see being
00:35:24
as just being chat GPT with potential self search features I don't know how
00:35:31
Microsoft's planning on integrating it I would love to try it interesting I love that Jeff sounds like a no to me and you
00:35:36
wouldn't buy Microsoft Office over no exactly Okay no Okay I I would not
00:35:42
buy Microsoft Office to use those features but I do find the brainstorming
00:35:48
ability of Chad GPT to come up with ideas that I already had in my head but I was just skipping
00:35:55
because they felt like too obvious like I feel like with tech videos I'm so this is like year 14. I'm so in the weeds I'm
00:36:02
trying to find these ideas of things and topics we haven't covered yet and I'll ask chat GPT for topic ideas or title
00:36:09
suggestions and it'll give me a couple that I'm like oh yeah this really big idea that I walked right past on my way
00:36:15
to a more complex topic was actually worth explaining and it was really interesting so I I like using the
00:36:23
conversational brainstorming part of chat GPT I'd use it alongside Google I wouldn't switch to Bing that sounds like
00:36:28
a no also yeah I wouldn't switch if you're asking would I stop Googling things no yeah I would not yeah it does
00:36:34
feel like like I feel like Bing is trying to bring this in to help start using Bing as Bing yeah so I feel like
00:36:41
or just an extra thing that Bing also does you know we'll see Ellis you look like you wanted to say something uh well
00:36:48
I can't remember isn't the new Microsoft Office design software have Dolly built
00:36:54
into it already not that I saw I know but this is probably the one the one that they
00:37:00
announced with the new Surface Studio I did not spell that wrong
00:37:05
I mean I wouldn't be shocked if this ends up being very soon it says Microsoft brings Dolly to the masses but
00:37:11
designer and image Creator okay designer so that's what I thought uh so my big
00:37:17
thing is I would actually consider switching to the Microsoft applications if they let
00:37:24
us get under the hood as far as the data sets like if I could train the AI either
00:37:29
to be like me or I could train like on my work or I could train it with the
00:37:35
exact Inspirations that I wanted to have then it would be a tool that I could think of a lot of uses for but as far as
00:37:42
just like amalgamating all of human knowledge I don't see myself using it at
00:37:49
the present moment yeah something I was thinking about is you can train your own chat jbt models based models with
00:37:57
Transformers so we could take all of your scripts for the last two years and
00:38:03
or even take transcripts from like how you actually talked and run it through a Transformer model and then use that to
00:38:10
come up with new scripts when it would talk more like you that sounds awesome could we actually do that we can do that because we we have
00:38:17
between dscript and all the footage we have we have like oh yeah we have so much I have like probably 80 or 90
00:38:24
transcribed this isn't even Marcus has anyone done that before like has someone
00:38:29
tried to download one person into I don't know but I know you totally can
00:38:34
Mark as of right now so that was the thing is if you ask Chad GPT to make something in MKBHD style
00:38:42
there's already enough MKBHD public association with things that it can kind of do it already but I feel like if
00:38:47
anyone else just wants to do that with their own work they should be able to yeah but pictures sitting down and
00:38:53
asking you a question and asking Transformer you a question and comparing your answers to the question yeah well I
00:39:00
think that if you train it on Marquez script data sets it's gonna just be based on his scripts yeah but you forget
00:39:06
like his personal we record Marquez talking for an hour every week yeah oh true yeah this is pretty that's a good
00:39:12
point yeah I feel like this is unfiltered Marquez that you're listening I think it would
00:39:18
pick up on his like nuances and the way that he talks but I don't know whether or not it would come up with like
00:39:23
actually smart answers I want to put this project in our backside no I would say the AI is
00:39:30
dumber than you oh yeah I I do like yeah I think that would be really useful just I've already multiple times just like
00:39:36
stared at chatgpt for 40 minutes and had a bunch of really good ideas thanks to talking to it yeah so so if yeah if we
00:39:43
can if we can't get access to a Transformer model I can try to make that happen I say let's do it and then maybe on a future episode of the podcast it'll
00:39:50
be like again next time all flights are grounded yeah Marquez on the Pod get various versions
00:39:58
of me as I'm stuck in various cities around the country iq50 Marquez iq50 e-girl Marquez
00:40:07
now take trivia wait wait Adam didn't answer sorry I'm not gonna leave that I will
00:40:14
never leave Adam all right thank you so no I would not use it in Outlook or
00:40:20
anything like that and also I don't think I would use it for researching purposes either yeah because part of the
00:40:26
fun of researching things isn't just getting the answer right away yeah it's learning all of the other things like
00:40:32
had we put into chat GPT how the domain name system works we would not have
00:40:38
found out about the seven keys to the internet yeah so like those moments you rely on us I think you could you can
00:40:43
sort of bend it a little bit you can kind of be like explain blah blah blah
00:40:49
and I wouldn't have known to ask that in the first place interesting it would have just told me how something works
00:40:54
right yeah but we also didn't ask about the seven keys of the internet we just that's what I'm saying we just stumbled upon it because we were researching
00:40:59
right yeah that is I don't need the answer right away I want to like I could
00:41:04
give you an answer that could give you like a little breadcrumb of something that you could then go and look more
00:41:10
into yeah but that's like the same with Google same thing so like why would I use that over the other one I will say
00:41:15
that like and I don't even know how well people like what research skills people
00:41:21
have in general probably fairly low because people just want the answer to things but it does seem like a kind of
00:41:27
terrible world if people just ask questions get fed and answer and immediately run with that answer as like
00:41:33
their gospel Factor yeah no fact check anything but it's most people in theory
00:41:38
the the hypothetical being AI crossover doesn't need to know everything in the
00:41:44
world it just needs to be better at Googling things than you are right it just needs to like know enough to be
00:41:49
able to like or excuse me Bing something and then back check it with another Bing search and then serve you the
00:41:55
information and then well the current problem is that it's not it's already scraped to the internet and use that as the model so it can't take new
00:42:02
information so I'm just I'm curious in how Microsoft is even going to integrate this because they'd have to basically
00:42:08
continuously update a model like every day with new information yeah it stops at 20 21. well no I guess that's what
00:42:15
I'm saying is like it's not serving you information from its own data set it's just trained on how to use Bing better
00:42:22
than you if that makes any sense like it's still pulling information from the web it's just really good at using
00:42:27
Bing's platforms yeah the problem is that's like not really a Transformer though okay but it could be a trained
00:42:35
Behavior I think it could yeah that's what Microsoft could do you could do that but I feel like you could have already done that before all of this
00:42:41
insane AI stuff started popping up well now they have their Shark Tank deal they're gonna start plugging things in
00:42:47
Microsoft's never messed up buying a big other thing and trying to take over right mixer
00:42:52
[Laughter] it's question number two brought to you
00:42:59
by Ellis that's me what do Facebook Vimeo and OkCupid all
00:43:07
have in common yeah yeah after I wrote the question I was
00:43:12
like someone's gonna say that it's not the answer okay Facebook Facebook but
00:43:18
meta Vimeo Vimeo the company yeah yeah okay well as
00:43:23
opposed to the like website well because Facebook's not the company am I thinking about how the companies
00:43:29
what they all have in common or what the sites all have in common oh yeah Oh you mean like a business common or like
00:43:36
technical yeah like I could find like they all have the same color scheme on their website but I don't know if that's gonna be like technically I could find a
00:43:42
girlfriend on all three of those platforms [Laughter] yeah no that's a good question business
00:43:49
what do the three companies all have in common oh they all oh oh oh oh
00:43:57
sorry I said business business wait what
00:44:03
I got the answer from that conversation right totally yeah
00:44:08
I didn't even realize if you were having a conversation no it's perfect I love that this is just damn on the other one
00:44:13
the light bulb just went off I love that okay perfect let's just leave it at that we'll take a break
00:44:22
there's not your answer this is a great coincidence what was the thing what do Facebook
00:44:29
Vimeo and OkCupid oh Vimeo never mind [Laughter]
00:44:41
thank you welcome back to the waveform podcast we're your host okay um yeah so we got
00:44:48
some more stuff to talk about today uh are you parodying us how we come back from break is it usually that bad
00:44:55
no you gave me Whiplash there bro the audio leveling challenges of just
00:45:02
yeah apologies uh yeah so next topic is Google is bringing some new features to
00:45:08
older versions of Android um which is kind of interesting and kind of cool and kind of Sparks an interesting conversation I don't know if
00:45:15
you guys remember but way back in Android 8 they had something called project treble
00:45:20
chat
00:45:28
no sorry so project trouble was something that was trying to compartmentalize
00:45:34
certain parts of the Android update system so that it could sort of update
00:45:39
in the background in real time and then when you would basically just like be able to restart your phone and then your
00:45:45
phone would have the good software right right yeah and so it's it was it was like compartmentalizing things making
00:45:50
them modular so they've had multiple stages of making different parts of Android modular
00:45:57
um they eventually had project Mainline a couple of years ago which was trying to push certain things into Google Play
00:46:04
services so that instead of like having to update apps themselves you could just push it through Google Play services
00:46:11
right right I made a whole video about that yeah like nine years ago how Google
00:46:16
is taking back Andrew it's crazy because I watched that video and I remember seeing it and I was like oh my God
00:46:22
you're still like you're in your old apartment and everything it was really yeah that is the video that Vic gandotra
00:46:28
at the time while he worked for Google posted on Google Plus saying this guy is
00:46:34
the best tech reviewer on the planet that was the video that I made thank you liked so much yeah yeah and it was all
00:46:40
uphill from there that quote has stuck with me and that video is the one that he watched that was the Turning Point
00:46:45
yeah that video so yes Google continues to take back Android yeah basically yeah
00:46:51
so now they have something uh called the extension software developer kit where
00:46:56
they're basically trying to do rolls right off the tongue yeah basically trying to do similar things so
00:47:02
now if you have uh Android 11 or 12 you can get things like Android 13's new
00:47:08
photo picker which were originally like only Android 13 features
00:47:13
um and it's also going to be used in things like their privacy sandbox which is a new way of them handling uh the ad
00:47:19
the current like they're revamping the ad tracking system for like better privacy and all this other stuff yeah
00:47:26
um and basically I think they just see a future where everything within Android is sort of modular and compartmentalized
00:47:34
and the full-on like OS level update is not necessarily going to be tied to
00:47:40
anything and and honestly we're kind of hitting a point where you don't really need OS updates like back in the day
00:47:46
with Android big OS updates were huge so much was new and now we're getting to this point
00:47:52
where like everything is sort of server-side everything everything is sort of app oriented and can get updated
00:47:58
in the background and now if you can just push new features from like new verses of Android to older versions of
00:48:03
Android it's almost like why do you need a new version of Android at all that's exactly where we're going so it kind of feels like this is yeah it makes perfect
00:48:11
sense and it's a win for everybody where like if there are some privacy improvements in a new version of Android
00:48:16
but your phone isn't supposed to get this version of Android you'll never get that one feature which sucks but if
00:48:24
they're able to push different modules to different phones as just feature updates through AOSP or whatever they're
00:48:30
doing however they get it to you and you don't need a new version every single time then everyone's phones get better
00:48:36
more than they would have if they're waiting for the software update so I I do see that as a win for everyone
00:48:42
and I also do see that as making the version number of the software that you're on less important than ever
00:48:48
because you just want to get the features like that's why when we make a feature video every time a new version of iOS comes out
00:48:54
I'm I know I'm making a video about iOS 16.2 but what I'm really making a video about is four new features right that
00:49:00
your phone's gonna get that happen to be on the name of iOS 16.2 or whatever yeah
00:49:05
it's a feature thing so yeah let's let's cheers to Features being available for everyone yeah and there's like a big
00:49:10
irony here because with apple the way Apple does things is like you don't even get the new base Apple apps unless you
00:49:18
update your software right whereas Google is like all of their apps are just available on the Google Play Store
00:49:24
that anyone can download basically like almost nothing is like a pixel exclusive app or something like that whereas on
00:49:30
the iPhone and on Mac it's like your new version of safari you're you're not going to get that unless you download
00:49:35
iOS 16. true right like they update all of these apps but Google already has
00:49:41
everything compartmentalized so they have very different ways of looking at it yeah I couldn't get the new Final Cut Pro until I updated Mac OS and that was
00:49:47
killing me inside yeah because it was better optimized and I didn't want meanwhile in the US that's just Macos
00:49:53
super buggy forever yeah yeah yeah I actually couldn't get the new no man's Sky until he updated so yeah
00:50:00
my favorite game in the world what if every feature was just like downloading a game
00:50:05
you just you like a feature of the new OS you just download the feature yeah
00:50:11
no one would so many people would not have those new features though because they would never know to look and that's
00:50:17
true so it should work in the background yeah they should just feed individual pipelines for each of the features and
00:50:24
and apps kind of like an app update in the background it just also goes through Google play it just happens in the background you don't even think about it
00:50:30
yeah I mean it's like websites right sometimes you'll see on Twitter they'll be like some users should be seeing this
00:50:35
new beta feature that's popping up it's like you don't have control of that yeah it's a server-side thing they're serving
00:50:41
you yeah I was one of the people who got tested when Instagram was thinking about removing like counts yeah and so I'd be
00:50:48
with I didn't get like a notification or anything one day they just went away and I'd go to my friends and be like do you guys see this like you can't see
00:50:55
likes on Instagram and everybody like you're crazy look there they are right there on my phone and I'd be like no no I'm not crazy they're gone I have it
00:51:02
yeah this guy I had a super in the weeds comparison I guess I'll say it anyway uh
00:51:07
YouTube after like 15 years of the partner program is
00:51:13
updating the contract with all YouTube partners to be modular to be in different pieces so that you have the
00:51:19
revenue share program for long form and the revenue share program for shorts and if you don't update you lose Revenue
00:51:28
sharing period so they're modularizing their contract which makes sense because now they can
00:51:33
just add new modules and if you want to do Revenue sharp shorts sure sign that one if you want to do this new feature that comes in the future sure sign that
00:51:40
one and just like Android features you could just update them as you go uh but
00:51:45
you do at some point have to make the leap to this new structure which is like everyone has signed the sign contract
00:51:50
for a bazillion years and now we're just gonna have to flip a switch and if you don't flip the switch you're out in the
00:51:55
cold flip the switch creators look in YouTube Studio there's a new contract you have to sign it you have a deadline
00:52:00
oh um I didn't even know yeah you'll see in if you don't log in you won't see it but you have like six months oh okay so
00:52:05
you'll see it anyway that does remind me though of um what Apple's there's been a
00:52:11
couple headlines recently about what Apple's may be going to do which we see these all the time yeah but these
00:52:16
headlines are about the iPhone one of them is about Apple potentially making their own cellular Wi-Fi and Bluetooth
00:52:23
chip which should report which would replace the different chips that they buy from Qualcomm and broadcom Etc it's
00:52:29
an apple made ship that does these things and then another there was about like them making their own screens I think custom displays for phones and
00:52:37
watches which if you don't already know right now Apple buys Samsung displays
00:52:42
for the iPhone every iPhone is of display made by Samsung basically and so
00:52:47
as Apple continues to take back parts of their machines we saw how well Apple
00:52:52
silicon did for Apple because now they don't depend on Intel chips anymore this is like the last few breadcrumbs of
00:53:00
completely owning the entire Pipeline and supply chain for the iPhone and not being dependent on anyone for any parts
00:53:06
of the iPhone which is good for Apple for now for now and we'll see if there are potential
00:53:12
downsides to that and how that works but that means they have a lot of control yeah there's a great nerd writer video
00:53:18
called like why Apple needs Samsung and it's sort of it's about the fact that so
00:53:24
many of the companies that you think about every day their main Revenue driver is not necessarily their products
00:53:30
it's the fact that they are the best at one thing and they sell everyone else
00:53:36
like the b-tier version of their best thing so they give Apple all their
00:53:41
probably their actually best screens because Apple's willing to pay a premium for them and they don't really care because they make so much money Sony the
00:53:48
IMX sensors that are in like every single every smartphone that you know I mean Sony sensor yeah meanwhile they
00:53:55
don't really make any money at all on Sony smartphones yeah you know so if
00:54:00
Apple switches to a completely island-based approach that's like it could be great for their supply chain
00:54:07
until they hit a snag and then all of a sudden the whole thing crumbles yeah um Tim Cook is a supply chain guy so I
00:54:14
assume he knows what he's doing doing that's what makes it so interesting I think sometimes I hear about like uh like we're talking with Shen about this
00:54:21
I don't even think it was on the podcast but it'll casually drop like oh yeah I remember that part that we were trying to get for them they were sort of really
00:54:26
limited so I ended up dual dual supplying it we got it from two different oems and I'm like oh yeah you can just like get two of the same radio
00:54:34
from two different companies and hopefully they work about the same and sometimes that works or sometimes it becomes like a huge deal you know people
00:54:41
don't want the exynos Samsung phone yeah they want to make sure they get the Qualcomm one because they're such different phones now so you have to be
00:54:48
careful about supply chain stuff and if you supply if you get everything from one supplier that's a lot of dependence
00:54:54
yeah on that working every time I remember this happened to I don't know if it was an iPhone or of like a OnePlus
00:54:59
phone or something where they had there was some sort of silicon Lottery around either Ram or storage and it was like
00:55:06
this phone's storage is half the speed of the other OnePlus 6 that you could
00:55:11
have randomly got and you don't get your serial number yeah figure out which one yeah steam deck just did something similar to right oh yeah the fans on it
00:55:18
oh right uh yeah the cooling system was essentially some of them were being affected and louder and getting affected
00:55:25
by like magnets in the back and stuff um yeah and we've seen screens in the past too where it's not the same device but
00:55:31
wasn't it a pixel and a pixel XL had two different uh screen manufacturers and
00:55:36
one had like a severe shift like green shift on it and people would always literally find like oh I'm
00:55:43
having problems with my pixel it looks different and then eventually enough data shows up on Reddit that you can sort of figure out like oh if you have
00:55:49
the serial number that ends in this or if you have the model number that looks like this then you got this supplier for
00:55:54
your screen versus the other one sometimes you never notice these dual support dual Supply things and sometimes
00:56:00
it's a big deal to the object so yeah yeah apple I guess theoretically with
00:56:06
this is reducing that risk for all we know they have had multiple suppliers for parts in the past but Tim Cook's a
00:56:12
wizard and we never notice these things but Apple controlling it all it's good for Apple yeah it's good for
00:56:18
Apple until they hit a supply chain snag and then they have no one to fall back on yeah but I kind of want to make a video like putting all this like
00:56:25
structuring this because I think it's really fascinating how how much we don't think about the supply chain behind the
00:56:31
product that you buy and use every day like we think of the iPhone as like the thing Apple made oh Apple screens are
00:56:36
better than these other people's screens well it's like there's a complicated relationship yeah that's a longer story
00:56:41
than just the screen this actually doesn't even make it yeah exactly actually Samsung screens or Foxconn
00:56:47
parts and they're actually giving you the best ones because you'll pay them the most yeah which is also funny because like Sony makes all the sensors
00:56:53
for everyone's best cameras and then they made a phone and it has one of the most difficult to use cameras and not
00:57:00
the best camera experience I think that's why I was so ready for well that was the funny part about red hydrogen
00:57:05
yes because red makes cameras yeah and what do they do with their camera they bought an office shelf Sony sensor yeah
00:57:12
so yeah we'll keep an eye on this obviously Apple's not gonna well I was
00:57:17
gonna say apple is not gonna tell us in their next keynote what they let's change the pliers on but maybe they do
00:57:23
make it they'll they'll make like a big deal about they'll say something like we but we made these Innovations and that
00:57:30
like streamline the process of our chips and blah blah they'll say it but I think it's up to us to keep an eye on how that
00:57:37
actually affects the iPhone I think this also in here says that the Target was 2024 but could slip until 2025 so it
00:57:43
might not be something we see for a little while yeah I feel like the chip shortage would just like a wake-up call
00:57:49
to them and they were like we need to get our own stuff in line for the next
00:57:54
time this happens even before the chip shortage like the problem with an Intel
00:57:59
MacBook Pro oh true for so many years was like in the background I'm sure every year Apple's like I can't wait to
00:58:05
get rid of it yeah I can't wait to get rid of it for sure well it was also like we talked about when Google made started
00:58:11
making tensor chips it's like you once you hit scale and you recoup your r d
00:58:16
costs you can actually charge so much less because you know the amount of like licensing fees and like upselling like
00:58:22
like Qualcomm is doing yeah that's the other thing insane amounts of money the price of your Gadget depends on the
00:58:29
price that you get from your suppliers yeah and if you're able to do your do your r d get this crazy scale and then
00:58:35
lower the price they could lower the prices you mean increased profit profits
00:58:41
exactly it means more profits for Sweet Summer children yeah for a second I was like lower prices everyone collectively
00:58:47
was like yeah yeah that's more money just more money in their pockets but that's you know that's something we'll keep an eye on it's maybe worth a video
00:58:54
let me know in the comments if it's worth a video or if you want it to be a structured in a way that you could share
00:59:00
or something in a short 60 seconds Lord I've never spoken
00:59:06
um I think that's about it for this this week in a surprising amount of tech news and topics to talk about before we wrap
00:59:12
up though I have a whiteboard next to me do you have a whiteboard oh right we have our whiteboards it's trivia answers time trivia time
00:59:19
so cute yeah the first question while everyone gets their markers in order
00:59:25
yeah what was Teenage engineering's first product I want the name the name of it the name
00:59:32
of it it's okay take your time
00:59:39
this is no pressure this is kind of a shot in the dark y'all wrote yours already I think Marquez and I have the same thing all right flip them and read
00:59:45
them okay we all have this we all wrote op1 [Music]
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00 you don't know what it is it's audio related I don't know it's maybe let me
00:59:59
get this right yes yeah the most beautiful it's so gorgeous exactly I wasn't sure if that was the first one
01:00:04
because it's the only thing from them like we have one same yeah no we have one that's the only that's the only one
01:00:10
that I know but not an op1 we have the opz that's the difference oh you're saying that's oh yeah like we have another product right I would have
01:00:16
thought it would be called like the te one like Teenage engineering one or something I mean it's a good name for a first product op1 yeah that's pretty
01:00:23
simple what does OP stands for overpowered original original product uh
01:00:29
I believe it's him for operator in this case uh like I thought it was overpriced yikes
01:00:34
all of the above are true all right all right and the second question oh boy
01:00:39
let's take it away what do Facebook Vimeo and OkCupid all
01:00:45
have in common I hate that you guys are writing I have
01:00:52
no idea this is one of those answers that I'm writing down where I've accepted that I don't know the answer
01:00:58
that they want from me so I came up with a different one that might also be true this is gonna have to be like everyone
01:01:03
else saying everybody like well that's right but not what I was looking for so hoping that's what happens there's a uh
01:01:09
there's a high chance that that that's the way this uh we're we're discluding it can't be
01:01:15
they're not all apps they're not all websites were he said something about the business oh something about the
01:01:21
business they're all businesses I'm not excited they all make money also I think it's wrong I might be right something
01:01:27
about the business I might be wrong all right did you write one yeah but now I have um let's just all get this wrong and
01:01:33
spectacularly creative ways I just want to like catch up with you guys okay I mean I think this is a fair
01:01:39
enough guess that I know it's probably wrong okay so yeah flip him and read wait I'm
01:01:46
not done I'm sorry I'm not done yet I'm not done yet I'm not done yet I don't think anyone will give me heat for like
01:01:51
making this guess but it's probably not what you're looking for okay yeah we're very interested in what you wrote now I'm gonna give you heat okay all right
01:01:57
let's go this is wrong California HQ founded the same year those are different founded the same
01:02:04
year I said all backed by the same person okay so I wrote California HQ
01:02:11
showed it to Ellis and he said I'm not gonna give you credit so I changed it I found in the same year oh oh no that is
01:02:16
right nice I put found in the same year that's also right nice I was wrong
01:02:22
do you guys want to guess what year that was wait can I guess yeah let's all
01:02:27
tread okay
01:02:36
bonus Jonas the bonus the bonus Jonas the best Jonas
01:02:43
Edward Jonas okay so Myspace let me do let me do the social math here I was in eighth grade
01:02:50
and I graduated in 11. 7 2007. oh wait yeah she was at least
01:02:59
I'm gonna go I was kind of late I'm gonna go with this Late Bloomer ah Vimeo
01:03:05
okay wait was YouTube in there no oh that messes up everything for me
01:03:16
now meta Vimeo no no matter still Facebook technically oh yeah meta was founded in
01:03:22
2020. Fair um think later than that yeah that was a
01:03:27
virtual keynote it was a virtual keynote yeah but it was after two times earlier it was like last year Okay Cupid was
01:03:33
like what are the two first two years ago dating apps on the internet but Facebook is the first virtual
01:03:40
metaconnect sorry all right I I'm gonna oh I'm gonna stick
01:03:48
with my original answer okay I'm gonna stick with my original answer 2022 yeah 2024. they did two in metakino 2022 no
01:03:56
but yeah but switching the brand to Meta Meta question I think was 2020 right 2021 was the Rebrand whatever that was
01:04:03
2020 October 2020 or was it 21. Facebook oh yeah yeah it
01:04:08
was forgotten we're recording a podcast
01:04:14
okay wow you're right octo end of October 2021 yeah because we had a whole
01:04:19
year in between all right what's your answers I said 2005. I said 2005. was it a six it was oh four
01:04:27
baby I wrote it and I've erased I almost
01:04:32
well luckily none of us got any points from that I don't think we would have anyway right yeah well either way unless I got it
01:04:39
right that's been fun thank you for uh for hanging with us and uh thank you
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United for still getting me here in time to actually do this podcast appreciate you props we'll catch you
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guys very soon in the next episode see you later bye wait for it was produced by Adam
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Molina and Ellis rovin we're partnering with box media podcast Network and interactive music was created by vayne Sill
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