00:00:00
[Music]
00:00:06
what's going on people of the internet welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts i'm marquez and i'm andrew and this week
00:00:12
we've got another uh ev heavy wave episode just cause that's a lot of
00:00:18
there's a lot of that going on and we kind of want to talk about some of that stuff but first we we should have a moment of silence for
00:00:25
someone special that we all know and love we all knew him at some point and i think we all had various experiences
00:00:32
with them some may have been positive some may have been forgettable
00:00:38
but in this moment of peace let's remember the good because they were around for a while and we we can celebrate the fact that they had a
00:00:45
really impressive prime historic historic we haven't seen a prime like that since
00:00:52
since the beginning honestly so at 27 years old um
00:00:58
microsoft ended support for internet explorer today on wednesday june 15th as we record this
00:01:04
uh no more security updates no more software updates no more patches if you are still using it i guess it
00:01:10
theoretically might still work yeah but you're still using it you probably don't care about security patches yeah that's exactly right um but
00:01:18
let's just take a quick couple seconds to eulogize internet explorer
00:01:26
the number one chrome downloader of all the number one of all time yeah um i saw a chart actually just the other
00:01:32
day i'm gonna link a tweet it was a well not a chart it was a animated chart yeah showing the market share of
00:01:38
different web browsers over time and it's you know netscape is kind of dominant for a while internet explorer
00:01:44
comes up internet explorer i didn't know this but in like the early 2000s got to 95 percent marketing yeah it was in 2000
00:01:52
i think it was like q2 2004. talk about it blowing a massive lead that is
00:01:58
that's one way to look at what a lead microsoft had in web browsers and you know firefox is on the come up for a
00:02:03
while i think they got as high as 20 something percent today which is higher actually than i expected it seemed like
00:02:09
there was a big three for a while there were people on safari firefox internet explorer so chrome i guess
00:02:15
sort of erupted and became the number one but that was what i saw on a lot of computers and then chrome
00:02:22
you know is the dominant one now but nowhere near 95 95 that's crazy i think chrome's at
00:02:28
like 80 something like that and that's like if you consider if you're doing um like all devices it's
00:02:34
because it's on so many android phones it's the default so like that's also why safari is up there really high as well
00:02:39
sorry every iphone uses well not everyone well everyone comes with safari exactly and that's why internet explorer
00:02:45
was so windows like that i mean there's probably will still be people using internet explorer for a very long time
00:02:51
but i think internet explorer did a great job at raising its kin microsoft edge yep microsoft edge i know
00:02:58
there are a lot of fans out there i think most of us had already like picked our browser loyalty of choice so maybe we're
00:03:05
not edge users but i've heard a lot of good things about it so let's hope it has a similar historic uh lifetime like it
00:03:13
it's uh the competition's apparent yeah good competition yeah appreciate you i.e yeah that's it uh
00:03:19
goodbye internet explorer i think we need like uh what was it 1995 to
00:03:26
2022 yeah 2022. good job um okay i have on here a little story time to start the
00:03:32
podcast off today okay um if anybody follows us on twitter or watches the video podcast you may have realized last
00:03:39
week looked a little different sure sure um to start this off adam was on
00:03:45
vacation last week we all love adam he deserves a vacation we will never let him go on one again after last um but so
00:03:52
pretty much in the process of the podcast which was actually a pretty intense one because we went to wwc we flew out got back
00:04:00
wednesday we had a virtual interview with um two apple execs there's a lot of
00:04:06
different things going on with adam gone i was in charge of editing the video portion of the podcast last week
00:04:12
now being someone who's not very good at final cut and a previous premiere user and someone who hasn't edited it all in
00:04:19
like two years i was feeling okay going into it um and brought
00:04:25
everything into premiere had everything lined up ellis was doing all the mixing of the audio stuff while i was doing all
00:04:31
the cutting and the um the camera switching and that was all feeling really good i was feeling really confident and we were like really really
00:04:39
on pace to get everything out on time on friday and then we export the first cut
00:04:45
for the audio stuff and because then after that i had to add b-roll and video ads and such like that
00:04:51
and there's this like crackling noise and i'll we'll make sure we'll edit some of the crackling noise into this video
00:04:57
so people can hear what this audio yeah so people can hear it just like okay you guys have all caught
00:05:02
on that we do extreme transitions this one is just going to be craig doing extreme transitions yeah i think they
00:05:09
saw how he got memed with the um remember him opening up the laptop it drove me insane it was really bad and we
00:05:16
almost didn't catch it actually because weirdly enough wasn't on the timeline and then after we exported it it
00:05:23
actually started playing in the timeline on premiere so in the export file and now
00:05:28
on the timeline i was listening to this crackling i mean it was just like constantly that's that's my least favorite type of
00:05:34
error which is and this happens in final cut 2 with some plugins where it will play back
00:05:39
perfectly on the timeline and then you export the video and then the exported video it messes up it's
00:05:46
like this has happened with like motion track things before or i'll add like a sensor over a license
00:05:51
plate and it tracks the license plate around the frame and then i'll export the video and then it'll track like the car tire
00:05:58
around the frame and the export i'm like that that's not what you showed me on the timeline at all so it's even more hard to fix something like that i
00:06:04
remember you doing um one once where it was yeah it was like a a lower third somewhere describing something and then
00:06:10
rather than going horizontally it went vertically in the export and then on the timeline was totally fine but the export
00:06:16
button so like how do i fix this exactly on the timeline do i just make it look ridiculous on the timeline and it looks
00:06:22
perfect in the export it's weird yeah so so at first uh ellis and i are like looking over this we hear the crackling
00:06:28
we're trying to figure out what's going on it's not playing if i closed premiere it would stop playing in the timeline
00:06:33
but then it would still play in the exports and then eventually come back in the timeline um we were changing
00:06:39
different audio codecs we were changing like all the different ways to export it we were exporting in video even though
00:06:44
we only needed the audio we were bringing into media encoder nothing nothing nothing i think i have
00:06:50
30 plus exports on my desktop and in my trash right now um and we just could not
00:06:55
figure it out so eventually we thought there there were two solutions to this run it through this de-crackling filter
00:07:02
that ellis had or i was going to bring our road caster our audio interface in i was going to plug
00:07:09
my computer into it and play it in real time into the road caster to keep the
00:07:14
timeline recording exactly wow so we went with the d crackle um filter
00:07:20
it sounded like very very very close to being right that's what we actually wound up bringing into the audio on thursday
00:07:26
night bring it back friday morning try and bring it in so i actually took the export and the clean audio brought
00:07:33
it into final cut and before i added the clean audio it was fine and final cut the export from adobe was
00:07:39
working with no crackles in final cut oh so you'd play it back like in quicktime or something and hear the crackle yeah
00:07:45
but when you imported that exact file into final cut pro and play it back on the final cut pro timeline no crack no
00:07:51
crackle yep so i think we have it fixed and then i export it from final cut and
00:07:56
the crackles there yeah wow this was like the most infuriating
00:08:04
12 hours i feel like that i've experienced in a while yeah and i wasn't in the raw recording
00:08:10
no no it was not in the raw world you just the game is trying to find where that crackle was introduced at what
00:08:16
point it was very hard eventually what we came down to ellis dove into my premiere project while i was trying to
00:08:22
fix everything on a different computer so we could because like if you watch the video podcast it was like four hours
00:08:27
late on friday it was pretty late but um so what happens is our audio interface
00:08:33
drifts a very small amount but when you're recording 45 plus minutes you have to fix that so i do a speed change
00:08:41
to the audio by a very very very small percentage i think it's playing back at 100.012 percent to fix that and there's
00:08:48
a button on there called match picture uh like right adjust for pitch right
00:08:54
because when you speed up audio pass a certain amount you'll notice that yes it's getting clunky so and you slow
00:09:00
down it and it drops to me that felt like an extra thing to press to mess things up right like why would i trust
00:09:05
adobe in fixing something in that and it sounded fine and then else turns that off and
00:09:11
everything works perfectly and that was it um i wanted to tell the story here because i tweeted about it
00:09:17
and i had dozens of tweets of people having similar issues um with some really
00:09:23
really wacky solutions one was to take put a blanket audio transition over all
00:09:29
of the audio with a two frame crossfade on it and people said that worked and that felt like one of those super hacky
00:09:37
dumb things that should work when it comes to video editing i'm sure if you had a video out there you've encountered
00:09:42
something like this before all kinds of weird hacks that work sometimes yeah um so
00:09:47
i just wanted to tell this story because if there is one person out there that listens to this and has this issue in
00:09:53
the future try the checkbox if it solves that i will be happy and will feel like
00:09:58
i accomplished something in this world i've had some of the craziest like weird annoying bugs i remember back when
00:10:04
we had the trashcan mac pro um had an export that
00:10:10
and this is always the game like you get to a certain point and something breaks so this was an export where i would i
00:10:16
would get like halfway through rendering the whole thing in final cut pro and then it would freeze and stop responding
00:10:22
and i'd be like okay so that means there's something somewhere in the video that is making final cut pro freeze and
00:10:27
stop responding and one by one i go through and i remove all the plugins and i remove all the titles and i remove
00:10:32
things and it still doesn't make it through without freezing and responding stopping responding
00:10:39
and so i'm trying to figure out like this again this is also one of those embargoed videos so it's like it needs to be live by tomorrow at 9 am or it's
00:10:46
yeah not going to work so long story short i remember moving files from this computer
00:10:53
to the main gear to try to edit it in premiere or at least take that file export it again in premiere and take
00:11:00
that new file back into final cut pro to edit it uh so we were round tripping all kinds of stuff
00:11:05
i remember that yeah yeah it finally we did eventually make it work but it was quite hacked
00:11:11
quite hacked that sounds like yeah i've had that before where i can see where it's messing up in the export
00:11:17
so i had to take that video clip and turn it to 99 opacity in final cut
00:11:23
weird and then that you know you don't notice that difference at all right and then
00:11:28
cruise right through it like nothing ever happened i did have recently though on the mac studio um because this
00:11:33
machine has been crushing not good there's no wood there's no wood so um next upload will be a little late yeah
00:11:39
for sure no it uh it got like you know 25 percent into the export and then
00:11:45
crashed i said oh no something's wrong with this this project file i've been building i
00:11:50
open it back up and the error message basically it tells me the exact stamp of what it got to when it crashed i went to
00:11:57
that found the plugin deleted it did something different there and export worked perfectly and i was like wow when
00:12:04
tech works it really works but that sounds fantastic that you know that was the best case error message for
00:12:10
me that sounds crazy so um yeah moral of the story here is we will never let adam
00:12:15
leave this studio ever again for the rest of my life sounds like it sounds like you're stuck here i will chain you
00:12:21
to that desk speaking of adam uh let's do a quick trivia we'll bring back trivia before we
00:12:27
take an hour back here adam being gone meant trivia was on pause and i was wondering if people would notice they
00:12:34
noticed and y'all noticed and i also was kind of looking forward to doing trivia so i i like how much everyone likes it
00:12:40
because i love trivia and i never want to stop okay all right let's get it going so the score right now marquez has
00:12:46
eight andrew has four just kidding i hate trivia i like trivia first question
00:12:52
yeah when was internet explorer first released a year or
00:12:58
probably a year year if you can get the day you'll get an extra point that would be really impressive
00:13:05
oh yeah we don't answer we'll think about that for a minute i'll be right back this episode of waveform is brought to
00:13:10
you by backbone so imagine you could play your favorite mobile games anywhere anytime i'm talking spider-man madden
00:13:17
grand theft auto whenever i think about mobile gaming i immediately think of how limiting touch screen controls are where your fingers
00:13:22
block the screen all the time backbone is a simple clever little device that turns your phone into a handheld console
00:13:29
more or less so plug in your iphone use the responsive buttons and triggers and clickable analog sticks that are
00:13:35
attached to either side of your phone like try these buttons these actually feel like you give us some asmr here
00:13:41
let's put it right up not bad that's what i like to hear way
00:13:48
better than the screen yeah you can also stream hundreds of games like fifa halo minecraft and more experience for
00:13:54
yourself what one reviewer called the closest we've ever seen to a portable xbox so go to playbackbone.com
00:14:01
wave now to order your backbone um until june 30th so get free access to over 350
00:14:06
console games and perks including one month free of xbox game pass ultimate one month free of apple arcade two
00:14:13
months free of google stadia pro and three months free of uh nitro
00:14:20
there's too many perks you can't even say all there's so many discord nitro um find your next adventure at
00:14:26
playbackbone.comwave [Music] okay welcome back we mentioned there's a lot of eev news on this
00:14:33
episode a lot of it's pretty small though and some of them were a couple new cars new car teasers i would call them where
00:14:39
we're kind of just seeing what they're going to be and what they look like but not specs so i just thought of a a quick
00:14:45
little fun game i have three that just got announced we are just going to rate them purely on aesthetics okay before we
00:14:52
get into them are they real cars yes okay these are real cars um
00:14:57
ones that just recently got announced um all of them have like kind of dates of when they'll actually i
00:15:04
don't even know if these have full on dates of when they'll be out but like that they're getting announced or fully
00:15:09
i feel like we have different levels of promises when it comes to electric cars my favorite is the here's the date and
00:15:15
here is the name the look the range the spec and like exactly what we're gonna sell
00:15:21
so they can actually start taking your money but then there's a level below that which is like we're a company we're going to make an
00:15:27
electric car and it's going to look kind of like this and that's all the details we have for now
00:15:32
these three three cars we're going to talk about here are kind of all of them it's a legacy manufacturer a new ev
00:15:38
manufacturer that already has a car out and then a new new ev manufacturer so
00:15:44
all of these could or could not be i guess real but i i think these these threes you'll know kind of what all of
00:15:50
these are aesthetics um so we're going to quickly talk about what it looks like some of the things you like about it and
00:15:56
then give it a one out of 10 rating purely aesthetics because we know almost nothing else about this cool
00:16:01
first one chevy blazer announced it's coming out so we already know the chevy chevy has the bolt or the volt okay i
00:16:08
always forget which one's the hybrid which one's the ev volt is a hybrid bolt is the ev okay i think so this is a sm
00:16:16
an suv a like a pretty regular size suv okay i'm looking at this picture now we've got in the dock here there's a red
00:16:23
chevy blazer so there's an eevee eevee yes wow so it's got the fake grille going on okay
00:16:28
here's a here's a maybe a sort of a hot take on this it uh and this may or may not mean it
00:16:34
looks good but it kinda looks like a lamborghini urus
00:16:40
wow look at the where's where's the mock look at the fruit i like this look at the front splitter at the bottom the way
00:16:45
they're doing this like little hexagon shape that lamborghini does it's got an aggressive look for an suv just if you
00:16:52
just just i'm just covering the screen use to agree with you on this because i do not
00:16:57
want to get torn in the comments i already hit the no man i'm covering the front wheel and everything behind the front wheel and just looking at the
00:17:03
front grille cover the chevy logo just block everything other than the front splitter i will say you are into something anyway
00:17:10
um uh no i okay there's some things i like some things that uh i don't like
00:17:16
some things i like are the uh this is notorious for new evs headlight bar
00:17:21
so you've gotta have already headlights straight across and lit this one the lit up logo is part of that i think that
00:17:26
actually looks pretty cool i don't think the chevy logo is bad not bad uh fake grille but i think it looks okay again a
00:17:32
little bit euros-like um they've got the split two-tone thing going so the car body is red and then the roof line and
00:17:39
the b-pillar and the a-pillar and the sort of like fastback design just the roof yep the roof is all black
00:17:46
i kind of like that i like that too the uh the rav4 prime i think has been doing that recently and i think it looks
00:17:51
really nice especially when it's a good contrasting color this is a red paint job with a black actually it has like a black uh
00:17:58
trim along the bottom as well so it's kind of sandwiched and it makes the car for sure feel sleeker that's 100
00:18:05
definitely intentional and then the last thing for me is the wheels so anytime i see a new ev i immediately think what
00:18:11
are they going to do about arrow and how are the wheels going to look and these to me look like normal wheels which is a
00:18:16
win so yeah solid i am always wondering about that because they j they clearly want to ship with
00:18:23
aero wheels because that'll give them the better efficiency or efficiency but like i always think regular wheels look
00:18:29
better so it's like do you do your marketing with regular wheels i think there's a lot of take-hands that have like the non-aero wheels for the
00:18:36
marketing but then the aero wheels are probably what they want you to get yeah and that's and it's different for everyone like the titan is sporty so
00:18:42
they're they're a little bit less worried about like normal buyers getting the aero wheels where if you're getting
00:18:48
like um like any you know like a blazer or like a normal crossover or something like that yeah or mass market you're
00:18:55
going to want to do efficiency over looks so you just got to sort of make something that people don't mind yeah that's efficient i will say something
00:19:01
here i'm the chevy blazer is an suv that i really don't know much
00:19:07
about i think this looks way better than the concept and the models we're seeing for the chevy silverado ev i think that
00:19:13
looks terrible i haven't seen too many of those yet yeah but i like the blazer i think the blazer looks really good i think if the blazer front grille was on
00:19:19
the silverado it'd look the silverado would look awesome i bet it has a taillight bar can't see the
00:19:25
back from this picture but yeah there's only a friend uh i would bet that also yeah all right so uh one out of ten
00:19:32
just aesthetics just aesthetics for a chevy because i've seen some hilarious commercials and zebra corner
00:19:38
videos this to me is a seven
00:19:43
point five i think i can agree with that i almost want to give it higher because i
00:19:50
i feel like i think lowly of chevy because of the zebra corner videos and like i'm ignoring good i'm ignoring the rest
00:19:57
of what i think about chevy and the interior and i can't see certain parts of the car and i don't know the specs or the price or the range or anything like
00:20:02
that but if i'm just looking at aesthetics like forget the logo forget all that it's a seven and a half i think
00:20:08
this looks i'll give it an eight out of ten there you go i think if this comes out 300 miles of range at a decent price
00:20:13
this could be a pretty sweet car yeah all right um we are going to go to pulse star 3 next okay
00:20:20
so we all know the pole star ii uh it's like a hatchback sedan
00:20:27
um this is their suv version so it is a little confusing because i have
00:20:32
we have their official image and then we also have what people have rendered out as what
00:20:38
the front of it looks like because the um official image is only profile of it yes um but they basically they also have
00:20:45
shown off a a front kind of three-quarter shot
00:20:51
where or a front like 45 degree shot with the like camo wrapping on it so people have made renders of that right
00:20:58
based on it so i think we're pretty close to what it will look like okay um so pulse starts i i actually really like
00:21:05
a lot of what pulstar is doing and just like things about the company in the car in general yeah maybe that
00:21:11
i'm a little biased already but looking at this uh this silhouette the side profile i really like it it is a
00:21:19
uh modern slightly sporty looking uh crossover so love the lights
00:21:26
looks like it's a tail bar and a front light bar so i'm already weak for that love that
00:21:31
looking at the hood though it's got this weird thing going on where the hood scoops down a little bit and has like a
00:21:38
vented area up at the front with these like extra tall headlight it's got like a
00:21:45
like a rattlesnake feel to it where it's like the thick head that drops down a bit yeah yeah that i don't know what
00:21:52
that's for but i like it i guess that's where i'm at i don't care yeah that's that's where i'm at um again
00:21:59
fastback design looks pretty good you can see a little orange seat belt in there it's got the black
00:22:06
plastic coming up from the bottom nice wheels i like this one i think i like these a lot and with uh pulsar being a company under volvo i
00:22:14
believe like i think volvo cars are great and people really really like them and they're reliable and everything but
00:22:20
they don't look quite as modern they've gotten better but like this feels like a more modern volvo and which is awesome
00:22:26
because it's eevee and clearly more modern yeah the newest volvos look pretty modern but like they're the newest like the last few years
00:22:32
compared to other car manufacturers they don't look quite as yeah quote unquote modern i'm sure that's extremely
00:22:38
subjective but pulse star's got it going on this feels like the way more modern version of like
00:22:44
of volvo which i love i i love this flush door handles
00:22:49
it looks awesome respectable looking arrow cap wheels that's a really good point yeah i'm
00:22:55
giving this uh eight and a half i'll go nine and a half for an suv like four and
00:23:00
i think you have to consider it as an suv like maybe this isn't gonna look as nice as like it doesn't get much better
00:23:05
i'll i'll get to nine on this okay i'll get to nine i like it cool and then the last one which is the new
00:23:11
company and one we've talked about a little bit but our previous teaser image of this was a very very
00:23:17
dark shadow with like a tail light so we have the the delorean and we finally have the
00:23:22
full okay this one is interesting so we now see
00:23:29
it's it really depends on which it has a good side i'll put it i 100 agree with
00:23:35
that it has a good side and it's not the front yes um so looking at the back tail
00:23:41
lights are sick love the bars that's going to look amazing the doors coming up look cool in that
00:23:47
they have a light on them and that they fully open to show a front and back seat
00:23:52
but the little the hydraulic-ness of it the the way they open doesn't look
00:23:57
very uh good it doesn't look good it also doesn't fold so you're going to smack
00:24:04
the car next to you instead of having like the folding if i'm driving this car and coming out like this i don't care but get out of my way but i'm just
00:24:10
thinking think of though think about all the other exotic car doors we see yeah the spider doors they go up right the
00:24:16
falcon wing doors on the model x they fold so that they don't smack the car next to you this is this needs a fold
00:24:24
it doesn't have one uh or you can just park in the back of the parking lot i guess yeah i mean no just if you drive
00:24:29
this you're going to have like you're gonna have to think about that you can't park next to another car um but i agree with you the back out of
00:24:37
this to me is like 10 out of 10. i think it's so cool and unique and just
00:24:42
looks so much like the old delorean and then the front of it just feels with the doors closed too feels very
00:24:48
plain but the proportions are crazy too because it's a it's one huge door so
00:24:54
it's technically a two-door car but it's a ford cedar so you're getting a massive door
00:25:00
um and just the proportions look like a cartoon car kind of it's weird to not see a like door like a
00:25:08
seam down the middle like a vertical scene down the middle where there would be two doors that is this also feels
00:25:14
like we were talking about is this a real car or not like there are there are no door handles as far as i can see there are yeah
00:25:20
i guess there are mirrors which is pretty good the thing about this though is it's based on it's based off an old
00:25:25
car so like you can still put old things on here and it'll look fit yeah essentially but like you did make the
00:25:32
front very futuristic looking i mean it was an old car that was supposed to look futuristic but yeah to me the back looks
00:25:37
like it could be thrown on the old delorean and fit well where the front if you threw that on the old door and you'd
00:25:42
be like something is very wrong here um it does have like a tie can charge door though charge right up
00:25:49
yeah the front the wheels the aero wheels i am actually not a fan not a fan
00:25:55
i agree too many spokes i'm not a fan of like the limousine 40 spoke wheels they would look really good without the
00:26:01
arrow on it i think yeah but i'm just i like less spokes maybe because it's a sports car i want
00:26:06
that like five spoke six spoke wheel type thing okay so if i'm combining everything we're
00:26:12
looking at here everything we've talked about the delorean from these images i'm going to rate a
00:26:22
five oh that's rough i was gonna say like
00:26:27
uh six and a half with an asterisk that i would still immediately drive this car around and be
00:26:33
super happy and know that everybody would be looking at anything thing i think that would be awesome if you drive it fast enough nobody ever sees the
00:26:39
front of the car they just see the um flaming entire marks yeah on the ground
00:26:45
oh yeah i thought you meant if you hit 88 you know you just disappear into another as soon as you come up behind somebody like
00:26:51
what is that ugly cart you pull around you drive in front of them they're like nice very nice okay good looking car fair fair so just speed out of your mind
00:26:58
if you buy this car the only answer okay cool so i think pull pull star three wins here
00:27:03
yep i like what they're doing too they i think all these look cool i'm just like in general a lot of these ev cars are
00:27:09
just looking really really nice and i like that a lot of cars that have been around for a while are getting these
00:27:15
like little facelifts that look really modern i'm curious what there's so many this controversy about this but what do
00:27:21
you think about tesla model s silhouette model s silhouette i see two people two
00:27:26
thoughts on this model s1 which is this is such an old looking an old body it's
00:27:32
been 10 years of the same looking model s why don't they radically redesign it and the other is
00:27:38
actually it still looks really good after 10 years keep it keep it like it looks good
00:27:43
they've done like minor facelifts along the 10 years but it looks the same as it did 10 years ago i think it looks i
00:27:48
still think it looks good i think there's a lot of other cars out there that look better than it um i think my
00:27:54
favorite thing about the model s though is when it first made that jump from that terrible like bubble reflective
00:28:00
plastic on the front to just going to like straight hannibal lecter that was good the first time we really got to see
00:28:06
no grill on a car that was just this this really really cool new thing we've never seen and i wish more cars that
00:28:13
were doing that rather than these fake grills i think the mock e uh
00:28:18
gt so the sportier version yeah does it really well they they do a body color
00:28:23
nose instead of like the fake grille of the normal maki and that to me because there's like a papaya orange one yeah
00:28:30
it's got the like yeah the hannibal lecter going on it's good i like that uh so shout out to the maki i think
00:28:36
i think a lot of them are doing good yep tesla model s not my favorite in the world but
00:28:42
i still think it looks good and i get why they're not doing really like any big things yet tesla's still like
00:28:48
pumping stuff out like crazy they're not i'm sure a few years down the road we'll probably see them do like more of a
00:28:55
redesign exterior i that's an interesting question i actually don't think they will you don't think they'll ever do not
00:29:02
not like ever but in like a few years like in the next five years or so you think i think it's going to still look the same you're right they still need to
00:29:08
do a roadster and a cyber truck before that they've got a lot of other stuff folks so i think it'll look the same for you okay yeah um okay what do i have
00:29:15
next on here i have oh okay we're gonna talk about recalls here for a minute because there's a recall news headline
00:29:21
going around right now that oh that is pretty brutal i put on my recall headline translator i have not seen this
00:29:27
yet well we're going to just talk about recalls at the end of this but we're going to talk about the actual recall first but
00:29:33
i think we are both on the same page here my recall translator yeah okay so
00:29:40
the article reads that um ford mustang machi stops sales for a
00:29:45
deal or defect and it is the car could fail to start or become a mobile when in motion due to a
00:29:51
battery malfunction that sounds terrible right oh we've all seen these headlines before like recalls
00:29:58
i mean batteries stopping while in motion sounds terrifying and potentially life-threatening
00:30:04
it's affecting 48 000 cars that's almost half because ford sold about a hundred thousand monkeys um it
00:30:11
affects cars anywhere from 2020 to 2022. so like there's a very good chance you're if you own a maki you're part of
00:30:18
this recall good news here is um there's two ways to fix this there'll be
00:30:24
an over-the-air software because it's a connector that overheats so there'll be an ota software update um within the
00:30:30
next month or next month i believe it is or if you're really scared of it you can bring it to the dealership right now and
00:30:36
get it fixed so not that that bad yeah but also kind
00:30:41
of terrifying like if you have the maki you should be you should be nervous about this and possibly bring it in but this is not the
00:30:48
uh like this is not the thing and what i saw here that really made me sad and made me want to talk about it is a ton of people
00:30:55
tagging people like oh how's your death box feel or like oh your car is gonna explode oh blah blah blah doesn't have
00:31:01
any issues like this and this to me is like this is why i brought up the translator before it's like i i think it
00:31:06
all kind of comes from like oh these are public companies and we have to pit them against each other and like see what's going wrong with one what's going on
00:31:12
with the other so i'll see a headline that's like tesla or ford recalls 50 000
00:31:18
car cars because of a problem or they could catch on fire yeah and it's like when uh layman reads that they're like
00:31:25
oh sounds like 50 000 cars are like about to catch on fire right now yeah um but i
00:31:32
think really the way i understand this industry works is like cars are very
00:31:37
complicated they have a ton of different parts that come from a ton of different suppliers and so
00:31:42
a company like ford will have a policy where if they make a car where they vetted all their suppliers and
00:31:48
everything they have a ton of different parts but let's say the windshield wiper control controller motor the motor and
00:31:55
the windshield wiper that actuates the windshield wipers is made by i'm just making this up sony right
00:32:01
uh they buy a bunch of those parts from sony they build the cars with them ford finds out from sony sony goes hey ford
00:32:08
you know how those windshield wiper motors we sold you it turns out uh we've noticed that after a couple years like
00:32:15
three of them had this issue where they couldn't like actuate the motor anymore and they're not strong enough so we just
00:32:21
wanted to let you know uh you bought a million of them so just just a heads up and so ford
00:32:27
for their policy will now go okay we've sold you all these cars anybody who owns
00:32:32
this car that we've put this part in we're going to try to fix this by doing what we can
00:32:38
and in many many cases now with these new cars it's like we're just going to actuate we're just going to do a software update so that we know we can
00:32:44
keep track of how many wipes it's done and we can just tell you when to bring it up for service not minor like that but like the headline goes out like ford
00:32:52
recalls 100 000 cars because now you can't see while driving in the rain yeah like that's
00:32:58
a exaggerated version of this exactly but they're doing the right thing in offering the fix the best way that they
00:33:03
can and that sorts of meets in the middle but yeah that you'll see crazy headlines all the time about rick i think um so
00:33:09
what you just said there it made me want to look at how these recalls actually sort of work so i did some very very
00:33:15
quick research it's actually really really simple pretty much there's the um and i need to get
00:33:21
this acronym right nhtsa and then there's also um this is
00:33:26
all for the u.s also yeah um so either there's two ways you can go about a recall
00:33:32
manufacturing company notices something wrong that they've seen in it they can just issue the recall right away and
00:33:38
be able to mail all the cards the owners that are affected by this right get them to bring it in i believe they have to
00:33:44
offer a free repair for that for life of the car and then or if there
00:33:50
are enough complaints filed to the nhtsa they can start an investigation and then they can force the car company
00:33:57
to issue these recall as well um this one that we're talking about right here with the maki ford noticed this and
00:34:03
didn't even go to nhtsa to get investigated they just issued the recall because things were happening um but
00:34:10
like you said i think the headline issue right now is it's re and maybe this is just because we're tech people and we
00:34:16
see tech headlines more often ev seems insanely popular and i
00:34:22
don't know if that's just because we're tech or that's also because it's a new thing that's sweeping around and more stuff we don't know about
00:34:29
but like headlines for any ev recall are going to explode we've seen a million of
00:34:34
them with tesla we're seeing ones with maki now i'm sure there are going to be ones for pulsar and ionic 5 and ev6 that
00:34:41
are coming out and rivien i'm sure i think already zach i don't know if they have a recall but his like power
00:34:46
bed cover isn't like coming all the way in um yeah but like just to compare it
00:34:52
to here i just looked up the toyota camry one of the most popular cars in the world right yep i looked if i had
00:34:59
any recalls last year i found that there's a power brakes recall that affects over 200 000 cars that they
00:35:05
issued um where your power brakes might stop working when you're doing it imagine that headline exactly it's such
00:35:11
an easy headline it is um but yeah cars have recalls every every car has dozens
00:35:17
of recalls i think my impreza had four different ones that i got in the lifetime of using it so
00:35:23
yeah it's not to say ignore recalls but it's definitely just to say like hey read the headline with a little bit of a
00:35:28
pinch of salt because you know that they're making a headline out of it yeah they they actually have a story to
00:35:34
pay attention to and don't make it counter uh counterproductive by using that to now like pit yourself against
00:35:41
because you're super loyal to one company don't use it it was really annoying seeing stuff like that in there
00:35:48
uh in like twitter and youtube and everything when this came out it's because it happens to tesla it happens
00:35:53
to ford it's gonna happen to every single ev for probably the next 10 years yeah i feel like i see that in the that's the most like
00:35:59
low-level twitter argument is like so much wow these cars are such low quality and someone goes what do you mean
00:36:05
they're low quality and then someone links an article about like a recall over like cars potentially catching on
00:36:10
fire we're like okay i'm gonna read this this headline again the uh the car could fail to start or become a mobile wall in
00:36:17
motion due to a battery malfunction but you said it was from a connector yeah like a connector could fail if it
00:36:23
overheats at any point while in park wall in the sun someday or while in
00:36:28
motion let's pick the worst one in the headline so there you have it there you have it exactly um
00:36:35
yeah so stop being a fanboy online pretty much and more all the story if you do if you
00:36:41
do get a recall maybe actually check it out though because it could be important yeah if your call gets a recall my car has gotten a few recalls and i just went
00:36:48
in and got service because i got a new tire and they just like fixed a bunch of stuff and updated this firmware and all
00:36:54
that so excited for over-the-air updates that's something i have not experienced yet and that's so cool that you could
00:37:00
get a recall and then just get an update and probably never even know you had the recall and it just fixes itself huge win
00:37:06
that's really cool all right let's do uh let's take a quick ad break but first we should do another trivia question
00:37:13
trivia question number two webos was the first mobile operating system to feature multitasking what
00:37:20
company wrote it easy
00:37:25
shout out to dieterbone we'll be right back
00:37:36
all right welcome back uh i just want to open this uh final little segment with a horrifying
00:37:42
statement that i could not afford to live alone with so i'm making you all live with it too uh in eight years
00:37:48
90s babies start four years old do you have to what i just want you to know now it's real
00:37:54
it's real and i i just was reminded of it because i got a twitter notification that somebody was mad at me for tweeting it
00:38:00
and so now i'm just sharing love in eight years 90s babies start turning 40.
00:38:06
soak it up i'll be 32 next week it's not sorry that's it's not so bad that's they say that's your prime right
00:38:12
like 27 to 33 or something like yours so now you're even saying i'm at the end of my primary well no no that's the
00:38:19
you're you're just the window so much worse i'm not saying the window's closing i'm saying no you're definitely saying it's you're basically like
00:38:25
getting that last foot out the door you're in the middle of the window you're getting fired from the podcast because you'll too old to talk about
00:38:31
that if you're turning 35 i'd be like you're out of the prime well then i'm going to run for president oh true you you enter a new prime new pro
00:38:40
anyway um we were going to i was going to talk about actually this new this this headline i saw which is kind of
00:38:45
interesting is it kelly blue book uh can i call it a study it was just a headline so actually no it's kind of interesting
00:38:51
what they do they do a survey that they also compare with basically consumer
00:38:57
shopping um statistics and that's how they form this opinion so i think it's actually a
00:39:02
pretty cool it obviously is still a survey ran by a private company so we
00:39:07
always have to take that with a grain of salt but i still found it very interesting and they do have a good amount of data so i found it interesting
00:39:14
that they compiled this all uh basically it all accumulated in the headline that one in four shoppers right now is
00:39:19
considering a hybrid or electric car and then there are certain requirements
00:39:26
that people have for which one they're considering buying yeah i think first thing we should talk about here is why
00:39:31
we think i think there's a right now two huge reasons as to why people are considering hybrid or ev um gas price is
00:39:40
insane right now i was just uh hanging out with my family in raleigh yeah like yeah gas is crazy
00:39:45
it's up to like 4 50 and premium is actually over five
00:39:51
and i was like yeah actually up in jersey where everything is over five we're like just
00:39:56
over five as the standard now i have a lot of 509 a gallon for a regular and i see a lot of 550 for premium
00:40:04
but guess what i was in toronto not that long ago yeah and it was like two dollars a liter
00:40:09
something like that which i don't know sounded cheap to me but it later is a fourth of a gallon so it's like eight
00:40:15
dollars a gallon in in canada i actually think surprisingly in the us we're one of the lower gas prices in the world
00:40:22
there i there are some crazy crazy prices out there but it still it sucks for everyone when you're used to
00:40:28
something and it's it's really bubbled in the last couple months um i know i was really close to spending the extra
00:40:34
money on like a rav4 prime instead of my forester and right now i'm severely
00:40:40
regretting that decision so kelly blue by the way just in case you don't know it's a website where you can sort of
00:40:46
look to buy and sell cars and because they have so much data they're able to offer so much value for like figuring out what
00:40:53
the val this is kind of what they famously do is they can pin the value of a car at any point so yeah what's the
00:40:58
kelly blue book value of a car that's what they're really good at but they have so much data if you've been looking to like sell a used car you've
00:41:04
probably won on kelly blue book to see approximately what the value like starting point is yeah so okay so top 10
00:41:10
most considered electrified vehicles number 10 tesla model s so this is that's a
00:41:16
premium big four-door sedan yeah number nine ford mustang mock e so that's over
00:41:21
model s and i see those all the time everywhere i see a lot of them and it's also it's cheaper than the model s like
00:41:27
automatically there's no surprise that's gonna be a little higher than that yeah number eight toyota camry hybrid i've
00:41:33
owned a camry hybrid i can vent vouch for a lot of people having those on the road i mean i think the camry might be the most popular sedan in the us right
00:41:41
now top three for sure number seven ford f-150 lightning so of course f150 is
00:41:48
very popular that to me says not just a lot of pickup truck buyers but a lot of people in general are considering an
00:41:53
f150 like lots of pre-orders and already great number six the toyota highlander hybrid
00:41:59
so the highlander is a what is that a larger suv right so the big one
00:42:04
number five honda crv hybrid i'm very familiar with the crv my parents have had one for a while a very reliable
00:42:11
little crossover type another insanely popular i think top 10 most sold vehicle in the u.s probably yeah so
00:42:18
now we get to the top four number four tesla model y number three tesla model three
00:42:24
so now they're like okay what's the top two yeah two surprises surprised me also number two ford
00:42:31
maverick hybrid so the maverick if you don't know is a pickup truck and uh it's a little
00:42:36
smaller but the pickup truck hybrid version is apparently very frequently considered
00:42:42
makes sense i've there are a lot of people who are really into this truck and i i do think it is really cool i i
00:42:48
really dig it it's very small it's like even smaller than a rivien kind of similar to the hyundai like santa cruz i
00:42:54
believe it's called um and yeah it's a little hybrid car and apparently it's not easy to order one because they get sold
00:43:01
out pretty quickly it's pretty new yeah it's uh but i do see them quite a bit on the road which is interesting but then
00:43:06
number one is the toyota rav4 prime
00:43:12
that is the most i think it just says hybrid there are two different ones so i don't know if it's considering all of
00:43:18
them as hybrid the prime is the plug-in hybrid where you can get like 50 miles of pure
00:43:23
just electric and then there's just a regular hybrid version as well that's not plugged in so the rav4 hybrid yeah
00:43:29
so yeah 30 to 40 000 hybrid crossover larger type vehicle for a lot of people
00:43:35
not in the us but yeah that is the number one most considered electric vehicle for a lot of new buyers one of those
00:43:41
things where if you asked me that question i wouldn't have guessed it but when you see it you're like it makes sense the
00:43:48
rav4 i think is like the most popular suv in the us it's probably one of the
00:43:53
most popular vehicles i think it's like right after the first couple trucks and the camry it might even be over like the
00:43:59
camry they're corolla i think it's time it's way up pretty high so yeah i i'm kind of i guess i'm
00:44:05
surprised now seeing this list that the camry hybrid isn't higher uh yeah i could see that i'm the cr-v and the rav4
00:44:12
are kind of the same thing if you think about it so i get why both of those are there the highlander hybrid's pretty
00:44:19
surprising but i guess you need one of the larger suvs to be on here and a hybrid version of that's good um f-150s
00:44:26
lightning is funny because this is people who consider it and like if you are considering the
00:44:32
f-150 right now you're not gonna have it for like three years because they have so many pre-orders in there um surprised
00:44:38
to not see rivien in here not all that surprised about lucid because that's super expensive i guess
00:44:44
it was rivian but like so seeing this list now the only pure electrics on here are teslas and i think that's well other
00:44:51
than f-150 lightning and i i don't think that's very surprising to me as far as like when people consider actually
00:44:56
buying a car they're like okay where can i charge it how am i gonna you know the road trips that's a really good point so
00:45:03
the rivien is is really cool to us tech people kind of like a rog phone is
00:45:08
really cool to us tech people but then how many of them are cross shopping and for real um so but then when you think
00:45:14
about it like that then i am just all the more impressed to see model 3 and model y that high up the list because they are still expensive cars and like
00:45:21
yeah they are still fully electric now competing with hybrids that have been around for a while so if you're
00:45:26
putting them in the same category that's super impressive they're everywhere they are actually um funny enough they have a
00:45:33
couple other things in this article kind of uh comparing putting these in like
00:45:38
they split it up into luxury and to non-luxury so rav4 prime was the number
00:45:43
one in non-luxury and just all together but in just ev model 3 and model y were
00:45:49
the most often shopped and they were still in top five of just luxury vehicles whether it was eevee or not
00:45:56
yeah so that's still crazy i mean those two cars are just wildly wildly popular in the us luxury is just a price bracket
00:46:03
i believe so yeah okay makes sense yeah no i'm seeing them everywhere so shout out to the uh rav4 hybrid for
00:46:10
being considered considered by most people buying something um
00:46:15
so this whole list is pretty much what do we see we have tesla ford toyota and then
00:46:21
one honda if all of us had to guess what the next car in this group would be
00:46:28
what would your s be like number 11. the no not the number 11 the next company that would break top 10 in most
00:46:35
considered electrified vehicle so hybrids count as well
00:46:41
right the thing is toyota's dominating hybrids right now so like they're got
00:46:46
like i don't know if it's gonna be i feel like it would be an ev yeah i mean so i'm seeing a lot more i'm thinking about hyundai right now because
00:46:52
i see a lot more ionics on the i've seen pure electric and they look really good and people seem to like them
00:46:59
but they're definitely still like a once in a while spot for me i see one like
00:47:04
once every two days okay something like that um i don't think rivian has enough volume
00:47:10
going down the list of my head let me go with yeah let's go with hyundai i think
00:47:15
that's what i would say i see ionics are probably the most common thing i see
00:47:20
after tesla's and mockies oh wait yeah let's do that list actually okay top five
00:47:26
evs that you see the most often okay so actually right where i'm living right now like i drive down this parkway and
00:47:33
then i get on 95 and i i always see a lot of evs and i noticed more and more than non-teslas so in order i see the
00:47:40
most model threes for sure okay by far number one then i think it's
00:47:45
model y slightly ahead of maki okay so i see model 3 model y
00:47:51
and then forward mustang mock e then i think i see model s
00:47:57
then i think i see i think [Music] that's a good point i don't see a lot of
00:48:03
x's anymore so there's a couple exes and i'm thinking i see a lot of tie cans and
00:48:08
i'm not sure which i see more of it might be tai can it might be tai can i see that's because there's a lot of
00:48:14
panameras and i see they kind of look similar from yes i feel like i see some tycoons and i'm not sure but there's a decent amount of tie
00:48:21
cans then i see like the occasional ionic and the occasional ev6
00:48:28
and the rare rivien and that's about it i saw my first dv6 today yeah i was very excited about it
00:48:35
i've seen maybe three lucids i think i've seen i haven't seen one one rivien
00:48:41
[Music] but ionic is ionic is getting up there i would go it's three then why i see a lot
00:48:48
of y's and then a decent gap to maki and then a huge gap to like the rest yeah
00:48:54
well yeah s is probably in there as well but still like there's a very big gap between tesla ford into anything else
00:49:00
but i think that ionic gap is going to close very fast i really think and by the end of the year we'll be
00:49:06
seeing ionics like we're seeing monkeys right now yeah as long as they're producing fast enough right i would like that so yeah hyundai is going to be in
00:49:13
this list lightnings if they play their cards right i could did i tell you i've i was
00:49:19
trying to look up to see if they're actually shipping and i found a f-150 lightning forum.com
00:49:25
and it is wonderful it is just there's actually quite a few out there there's a lot of
00:49:31
people posting pictures of it there are quite a few i mean it's a whole forum of people and
00:49:36
it has a whole section of like showing off pictures so like people who have them or just pictures at dealers so like
00:49:43
they're out there you can't get through all out yeah um it's just also just wild going on a forum in 2022 the
00:49:50
nostalgia really rolled in about how how terrible an experience that used to
00:49:55
be and how much more i like read it and discord and stuff like and twitter i found myself uh seeing f-150s on the
00:50:02
road and wondering if they were a lightning or not and like looking for the badge oh the bat i was because they
00:50:07
had the speed in front of it for the light bar well i didn't want to like i see you can only get if you can get close enough to see the badge that's the
00:50:14
easiest way to tell if you see the light bar yeah it's a lightning but if you get to if you see the badge it could also be a lightning without the light bar
00:50:21
but uh i haven't seen that oh yeah true there no loose eyes for me i've yet to see a lightning in the wild but i do
00:50:26
think they're trickling out there yeah we saw one rivie and the other day on the way home yeah i think i'm at like
00:50:32
six total rivian spottings in the wild ever that's more than i would have thought honestly yeah but i think
00:50:38
they're they are out there weird i love it love seeing more well that's probably
00:50:43
a good place to end it for the waveform ev episode of the podcast waveform podcast um let's wrap it up by figuring
00:50:51
out what the answers were to our trivia questions yes we have a funny behind-the-scenes story for one as well
00:50:57
i don't know what you're talking about so the first question was when was internet explorer first
00:51:03
released you get one point for the year another point if you can get the day
00:51:11
you should get a lot of points yeah i'll give you three points you get the day you get the day
00:51:16
that'd be awesome i am only going by i think
00:51:21
the video that i'm trying to remember i'm trying to replay it in my head which was showing market share and i think
00:51:27
internet explorer popped out of zero percent around 1997. so i'm gonna go with 1997. i'm gonna go
00:51:34
95 because i'm pretty sure i had written down 27 years old so
00:51:40
if my math is correct okay which let's be real not very confident 27 okay
00:51:46
i mean it's also 20 yeah could be the year before potentially okay but that's only goes in
00:51:53
terms of day i mean total shot in the dark here
00:51:58
december march 17th december 3rd [Music]
00:52:04
august 16th totally in the middle of our days 1995.
00:52:10
95. you got the day yeah yeah yeah i'll take that well done all right next
00:52:16
question web os was the first mobile operating system to feature multi multitasking
00:52:22
what company wrote it so listeners
00:52:27
you didn't hear this we were recording we could just play it you can just play it like you'll hear
00:52:33
it you won't see it but you'll hear the answer is palm and it was funny
00:52:39
because i shouted out dieter because he likes to bring up palm in their multitasking ui all the time
00:52:44
and then i'm just like we sort of sit back in the chairs like ah yeah old palm os i think i was sweating because i had
00:52:50
no idea what it was yeah and then uh we gave it away so andrew knows the answer now i do to be fair and embarrassingly
00:52:57
enough i was gonna guess apple because just like they named everything something os and that sounded very apple
00:53:03
yeah i mean well they called it web it was web os so i was just like i hear ipad os ios they were definitely
00:53:09
inspired by web os okay well there you go all right i was wrong well final
00:53:14
scores marquez has eight andrew five no marquez has nine yeah marcus
00:53:22
nine to five nine to five to five apple hopefully our twitter doesn't get deleted because we're not 13. so thanks
00:53:28
for watching nine to five waveform this has been a a pleasure nine to five ev
00:53:33
we're basically nine to five ev at this point that doesn't exist yet nine to five i'm taking that twitter handle
00:53:39
that's gotta be a twitter handle for sure um anyway holler at us on twitter for real at waveform and um
00:53:46
yeah we'll catch you guys next week see you later peace waveform is produced by adam molina and ellis rovin we are partnered
00:53:52
with vox media and our intro after music was created by vain [Music]
00:54:19
you
