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no they're not Microsoft teams is not adding live translate they's I'm excited yes they are they're going to be the
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greatest they're not it's going to be amazing sorry Ellis are you speaking in
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Spanish yo what is up people of the internet welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts
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I'm Marquez I'm Andrew and I'm David this week uh we have a car company Rebrand that is sweeping the internet um
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we also have a new website that continues to sweep the internet newsite newer is that's true um
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and also a ton of Google news from lawsuits to Android 16 early looks but first Tesla started rolling out V4
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superch Chargers well they didn't start rolling it out they announced it and they're going to start rolling it out V4 superchargers are going to do 500 Kow
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very exciting um for those who don't have the context of what exactly that means 500 kilowatts that would yeah so
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so electric car charging generally the faster the better and obviously there's a whole bunch of math with the charging
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curve it charges faster when you're at a lower state of charge and all that but basically V1 superchargers had I think a
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75 Kow Peak charging speed and V2s were like 125 KW I might be getting the V1
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and V2 numers slightly wrong but generally the numbers have gone up over time which means faster charging that's
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this is the basic concept V3 superchargers 250 KW Max very very
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impressive but yeah you can add 1,000 miles of battery 1,000 miles of range to your battery in an hour so obviously you
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won't have to plug in for a whole hour to charge your whole battery which is great um V4 superchargers uh they
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announced the new cabinet and apparently cyber trucks will be able to do 500 KW
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that's not necessarily twice as fast as 250 Kow but it is twice as much power and it shows I
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think uh there was a video clip that they put out where it was adding like, 1300 mil
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hour to the battery which is amazing um it also includes Tesla semi support and
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the semi- truck of course charges in megawatts they measure this in thousands of kilowatts so 1.2 megawatts would be
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1,200 kilowatts which is crazy is this a stupid question but I'm assuming a Tesla semi- truck isn't pulling up to a
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regular supercharger are they going to have their it literally wouldn't fit in the space right right they they've had
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their own charging Solutions in the past and apparently this new V4 cabinet will support the Tesla semi
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C the whole higher power and all that but yeah this will this will also be fast for those this does though come
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with the longer cables right mostly for cars that don't take the nacs port or
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well cars that now do take the nacs but have it at a different but have it different spot there's that too but they're also going to be including CCS
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connectors at these stations yes so for cars that you know it's like you would
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have to buy a 2025 2026 model of a car that has the NAC yes and not everyone
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has committed to moving over to it but I think that Tesla wants to be the gas station of electricity so and even the
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ones who did we're seeing these like I mean cables being like you know trucks
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pulling up to be within like less than an inch of the chargering thing and like it's still is at like a 90° angle which
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cannot be good for that cord over time so like being able to put it in you know whether you're at the front or the back
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right or left anyone hopefully should be able to plug in yeah so for clar they did start rolling out V4 charger
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charging stations this year but they didn't have the cabinets installed that allowed for this higher power gotcha so
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next year they're going to swap out a lot of the cabinets and then also just start rolling out way more V4 Chargers
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sick so yeah we just had the uh the Le Auto mea here which was also it
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supported 520 Kow charging and again the number might not mean a lot to everyone
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but the number that hit me the hardest was 10 to 80% in 10 minutes for your
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battery that's that's awesome that's like a full usable charge in not that
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much time so yeah hopefully uh a lot of cars will start being able to support that soon MH all right we should talk
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about this Rebrand this Jaguar Rebrand last minute addition to the the docket
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this morning lots of lots of talk on the internet lots of Talk inside our own
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Studio especially Tim our graphic because it's so good right it's fantastic everyone loves it yeah that's
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why it looks better bigger than a phone screen well I I think let's get into it
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I don't think it is just the Rebrand I think it's how the Rebrand was launched and what was launched alongside of it
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that is why it's all sweeping I think so Jaguar changed their logo it was an older type face that was very it's been
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around for decades correct some might even say it's recognizable iconic iconic
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even well the cool thing to do in the last couple years is take something super iconic and absolutely destroy
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brand recognition melt it down into a simple sand Sant send it yeah that's that's what's been happening um so the
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new logo the new Jaguar logo is just a different type face yeah like we said everyone is kind of doing it I think if
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that were just it there would be backlash because when you have a singular thing for so long any change to
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it is going to feel weird and jaguar has been around forever and kind of known as you know the the old people card despite
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some of them I think looking very good um but I don't think anyone disagrees with that right like it is kind of known
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as the old people car yeah the average Jaguar buyer is definitely 65 years old
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like factually I think a new type face to kind of look newer in age isn't the
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worst idea but they they released it with this like commercial did you all watch the 30 second like atct came with
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what were all of your thoughts on that can someone explain it or can you explain it as you're watching it yeah
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yeah can you live Ellis has not seen it so these are his live Reaction watch watch I would love to watch you watch
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it it's a lot happening okay
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so what that was a car that was for a
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car wow okay uh look I'll start with nice
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things all right I like I like the costumes that was really fun can you explain it to like for if someone hasn't
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seen it yet what happened I can try man but like so there's there's some people in some sort of like Logan's
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runny like outfits and they're walking out on Mars but it's pink and then it cuts to seemingly like a queen in in a
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Royal gown she's moving flowingly then there's it says live Vivid and then it
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cuts to a guy who looks sort of like Andy Warhol um he's spinning and he's
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painting as he spins it says delete ordinary but he's I don't okay I'm just
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let's move on and then then there's a woman in a in an orange dress in a blue room but she's upside down she's on the
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ceiling oh but then then she's not oh and then she has a hammer it's a yellow
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Hammer so primary colors but then it says break molds which doesn't make sense cuz it's like a
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bow House Primary okay um and then oh and then they're all together they're back on pink Mars and they're sitting on
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a rock and they're they're doing these sort of twil thpes looks to the side I
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don't get it man um I don't really know what they're I don't know man when I was when
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I was like a teenager my dream car like my absolute dream car was a 80s Jaguar
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xjs like I actually am like a huge passionate lover of vintage Jaguars and
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um so I'm a little bit sad to see that we're not going to get any more of those
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we're not going to get like big classic classy well British steamboats yeah but
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also maybe we'll get cars that work so yeah a lot of a lot of reactions
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to this online I think most people had the same initial reaction which is wait
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this is a car company what looks like it had nothing to do with cars it's it's kind of just the beginning of a Rebrand
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it's a logo and a 30 second Vibe basically it's not too different from nothing's marketing I'm going to be
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honest I was with the the bugs with the bugs and just the random Scandinavian people this I think my issue with this
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is it felt Tim said this like at the end it could have said Adobe instead of
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jaguar and it would have work could a better Adobe app it could have
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said Hubba Bubba and like this ad has just like nothing going on with it it
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feel it feels like they went into like an a mid Journey prompt and said make me
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a 30-second ad that feels like I'm thinking outside of the box and throw in
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a couple sayings you would find on like a $5 TJ Maxx yeah there's a chance is is
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Jaguar announcing a car soon is that happening do we know I I think so are we going to get a car that like breaks
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molds and is like unexpected and looks totally crazy is that interestingly the ipace came out a number of years ago
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which was one of the earlier EVS that was on the market true but people
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generally did not like it so yeah it was not that and did they just give up after that and now they're coming back so the
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crazy thing about the ipace I mentioned this a couple weeks ago is they they still sell a lot of them to wh and they're like lots of them on the road so
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they have a lot of electric cars out there so the Whos are IES yeah oh a lot
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of them are I thought they were gas cars I thought they just changed I think they're starting to do going to make
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their own cars too yeah they're working on their own Des they haven't yeah they haven't made any new EES that I'm aware
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of since they've made hybrids they've made other cars but miles has reviewed another Jaguars since then but I'll I'll
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the other thing about this ad though is it's uh I mean we're talking about it on this podcast I don't remember the last
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time we talked about Jaguar it's working like people are talking about Jaguar the Tweet just the tweet this isn't on blue
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sky or threads or on your Instagram or just the Tweet has a th000 retweets and
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15,000 quote tweets I don't know if you guys are familiar with what a ratio is
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but um that's a pretty strong statement people are just sharing the crap out of this 33 and a half million views um
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since yesterday 50 50,000 comments 50,000 comments since yesterday so I
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don't know if Jaguar could have made a more attention grabbing ad if they tried
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like imagine a regular car commercial getting 35 million views 50,000 comments
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on Twitter they'd have to do something insanely cool with the car that very well may to put hamers in a Kia they
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have to go nuts like the very very cool cars have been announced that don't get nearly that attention so Jaguar has the
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eyeballs on them and that's probably honestly their main goal even if they're getting roasted everywhere is hey people
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are paying attention to Jaguar right now so whatever their next car is people will look at it the funny thing is their
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logo and their Banner image I understand that it sort of looks like multiple layers of slightly different colored
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paint but it kind of just looks like color banding it does looking funny so you
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know also the banner and the profile picture are like the opposite light in the middle ver dark yeah looking at the
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website on Ellis's computer here it's the first time that I went to or that he went to Jaguar and I'm like looking at
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it I kind of like everything mm they're still using the old logo on their
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website that's what was going to be my nitpick though they're using the old logo on the top left which is that's so funny yeah but I don't know I kind of
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like it like as someone that doesn't know anything about cars and isn't in the car world and this is like my first
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real introduction to it I do understand that their old logo is very iconic it is
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also very very seated in like the 1980s for sure and I wonder if they're just
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like we are not selling any cars to younger people and we need to just do a full Rebrand no matter what it is I
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think it's super reasonable to look for an updated Rebrand I just don't I think my I don't like the like cookie cutter
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what are you talking about some of some of the most important celebrities to young people of all time have been
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Jaguar owners did you not know Frank Sinatra Queen Elizabeth oh count Bassy
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oh I do like count basy don't do you think you don't think gen Z cares about count basy oh yeah I'm looking at this
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website I mean it really feels like they're built they're trying to get people to pay attention to whatever their next announcement is that's that's
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really my take here a new frontier is coming go bold something's oh it's here
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here look so December 2nd 2024 there's a date on the website that's probably some
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other announcement in some of the articles I saw about this logo there was like a car in the camo wrap that takes
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away like the lines and like prototype testing type of cars so it does seem like they're coming up with something new they're obviously not going to
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launch this just out of the blue and too baby oh wait I got to ask so what do we all think Jaguar is gonna pull out that
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that meets this criteria that's disruptive that breaks the mold that's for the new generation what's it going
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to be speculation station p e nothing I don't think it's nothing
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like car whatever car comes out is not going to like match what this Vibe is I
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mean if you're jaguar and you're trying to reset a little bit like remember we
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talked about Hyundai and and Kia actually like successfully rebranding a
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little bit with their new EVs and if you're Jaguar you see that success and you're like we got to do that too
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everyone who buys these cars is 60 we made a first EV like we have that Heritage now we need to capitalize on it
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everyone knows about Jaguar this might be what you would do you might go let's go let's just turn over a new Leaf
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Abandoned Ship we don't need any of this old crusty old Jaguar Heritage from the
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past 100 years we're going to we're going to do this crazy new branding thing we're going to change our logo and we're going to just start with
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these you know EVS that are like in a popular segment maybe it's a midsize crossover and it's like this colorful
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bunch of you know electric cars they come out with I can see them doing that on their side it does say the new era a seismic change is coming yeah so I I
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also want to say car driver says um that the automaker will unveil a design
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Vision concept card during Miami art week on December 2nd the concept will preview its first vehicle in Jaguar's
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revitalized lineup which then goes to say this yet unnamed car will enter production by end of
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2026 can I give my specul time out of the box baby yeah listen what's the one
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thing that no auto manufacturer is doing we have the midsize market car sports
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car sport no sports car the Market's full midsize Market's full SUV Market is
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definitely full they got to think bigger I'm thinking 20 seats 30 seats
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additional standing room for 30 more make it 35 ft long sell it exclusively to municipality
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charge 250 to get on it preset Roots this is the market the Jaguar bus
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the Jaguar bus I think we need to move on oh yeah all right it's blue sky time baby okay so get him David sick is your
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moment it really is it really is last week uh right as we were writing this
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episode it was reported that 15 million people had joined the service of Blue Sky previously the day before it was 14
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million so that info had updated by the time I was editing the podcast dear viewer if you were watching the video it
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was up to 17 million so that was the screenshot that I got So Meta had been making a big deal over the fact that
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they were adding a million users to threads every single day and then all of a sudden a million users started getting
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added to Blue Sky every day and yes threads has almost 300 million people and blue sky is now sitting at about
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20.7 million as of time of recording uh 20.6 actually as of time of recording by
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by the time you watch SL hear this it will probably be around 22 or so mm uh but yeah I mean it's growing very fast
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it seems like one of the main things that people are talking about on threads right now is blue sky and it's gotten to
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the point where people are arguing about which one is better which I find very funny because it's just it's the same
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thing as like Android versus iOS or Sony versus uh Playstation versus Xbox people
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just love to be tribal about this stuff and there's all these people on threads being like I'm not going to BL guy cuz
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you can't grow your audience over there because you actually see your friends posts instead of random people seeing
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your posts and I'm like it's just hilarious anyway I'm very happy to see uh growth of another platform obviously
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it is not running on activity Pub it's running on the at or at protocol but it is still a decentralized social network
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Jay is working a lot with people like Evan pedo to make there be more interoperability between blue sky and
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the fediverse Jay is the CEO J's the co Blue Sky uh there's something called bridgy fed right now which basically
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Bridges the fediverse and the at protocol universe so it's a I know it's
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messy Protocols are always messy no it's just we're we're actually living in the timeline where it's like oh can you
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masted on me oh no but if you hit me on bridgy or if you use your bridgy fed account it'll make it all the way to my
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my blue sky toot it's like wolf we're getting back to Wolf again well you know
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we also live in the era where hakua girl launches Pooky tools was a headline from Tech crunch so that was a thing I you
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know we didn't cover that did we compor what is that a react
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competitor react native yeah Pooky tools poy tools I don't know sounds like more like a Pokemon competitor uh yeah so if
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you're not on Blue Sky yet you should get on it because it's fun and if you do get on it you should follow us can I ask everyone a question here I think
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everyone at least in the last week has gone on to Blue Sky and kind Rea theirs
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except ell I just want to a question what is one thing you're really liking about it and one thing you're disliking
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about the current state you're not allowed to say user base because we all know it's the lowest user based kind of all of them yeah H I can go I can go
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first yeah go first um I enjoy just the people that I follow
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being on there a chronological feed the Discover feed needs some work for sure but it is nice that I can pop between
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them and every time I refresh it seems to remember that big like the thing I've been disliking lately and
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maybe this is just because of the influx is I keep getting these like suggested
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these threads posts whatever that are essentially making fun of threads by
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saying we have to make sure that blue sky doesn't turn into threads and the engagement farming like hell hole that
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it is um so we need to make sure everything is authentic and not just for farming engagement and then all of those
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threads have a ton of retweets and everything and feel like that is the engagement farming on Blue Sky is to
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make fun of Engagement farming well I mean the same thing is happening on threads for sure where people people are
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just saying Blue Sky sucks and then it has a ton of retweets and stuff it's like it's just like guys get out of your
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Echo chamber it's just like let's just just do what you want it to be and and show with action let's not immediately
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start complaining and then piling on it because that just feels like yeah the same thing we've always had to deal with
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yeah I like that you can default to the following feed good one y I like that it's chronological and that you have
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multiple different feeds that you can jump between I love the starter packs those are really fun and interesting starter packs are basically these packs
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of accounts that you can build so that someone can just inject their starter pack directly into their account so that
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they're following all the people they want to be following you show me how to do that real quick yeah or like if I wanted to find a starter pack so it's
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under profile starter packs and you can create one okay so I would go to a profile that I'm following already and
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see if they've created a starter pack they'll ski about it and then you can follow that yeah forgot about that I got
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to say um yeah I no I think that's I think that's super useful I I've been
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trying to figure out what how to like I guess it mostly is the people but I'm trying to figure out what the difference
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in Vibes are and I think on Blue Sky there's a lot of positive energy about
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this new growing thing and if you post something what I felt was that most of
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the replies were on topic about that thing yeah which shouldn't be a
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surprise that's how I I was like w this is so refreshing that I posted about one
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thing and then the replies were about that one thing and then we engaged about that one thing and then moved on which
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is kind of how threads I think is trying to be because everything is combined with the thread but I think X is not
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like that at all so I feel like that that difference was striking to me and I don't I don't know how long it's going
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to stay that way I more people means less I think it will I think a lot of it comes down to incentives right it's like
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Twitter X now pays people for engagement so the reason that it goes off topic
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immediately is because if something gets a lot of likes or engagement everyone else who wants to make money just posts
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some funny meme below it that's not even relevant to the post it's like what are you consuming here it also helps that
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the you can get the people who want to make money are verified because you can only make money through verification and
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now blue check is the top of post so they automatically get a to only fight with the other so yeah it's it's really
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hard to find especially if you're a larger account like Marquez like yeah I
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used to go through your tweets all the time and read comments and like get useful feedback that hasn't happened in
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a while it seems like it's the worst on X yeah it is definitely the worst on X threads is also it's just this giant
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grinder of people that just throws people at you and none of them know who you are and there's no like context
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about what you're talking about about who you're talking to and so there's a lot more fighting on threads I noticed
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last week someone posted about how Final Cut is like a really good value and how it's crazy that you only have to pay
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$299 once and you get it for life and it's a great value and I just commented
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yeah you know Apple does that because it's more valuable for them to keep you on the MacBook and the whole Apple
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ecosystem so how dare you so they're willing so they're willing to like sell you a product once and not charge a
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subscription service because it keeps you in the ecosystem and the person immediately started screaming about at
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me and was like how does that negate anything that I said about blah blah and I was like dude I literally commented
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I'm not trying to fight you man I'm just like creating a dialogue about like why
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Apple does this I'm not saying it's good or bad yeah and I'm trying to start a thread bro yeah he eventually backed
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down but I feel like the vibe on threads is that people all people are always yelling at each other so people assume
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to be yelled at uh whereas on Blue Sky because it's more focused on the people you follow and then like second level
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connections like if Andrew were to comment on something on another person's post I'd see that that at least gives
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you some context as to like what you're communicating with and it's just a healthier Dynamic and that's been completely destroyed with most of the
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other social media networks primarily because of incentives like making money threads also pays a lot of people to
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make money by posting which is what has caused a lot of Engagement bait so uh yeah Blue Sky it's obviously like more
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like old Twitter where you you don't make money on it it's more focused on your friends and
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right now they're not a public company so they don't have to grow their user base so rapidly like the other companies
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do uh hopefully it stays that way love if they stayed private it would be the best thing please don't IPO please don't
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IPO even just that though more users always the more people we have the more chance there is for things we don't like
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to also true it it'll be the weird thing of like is this thing on to like I wish
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this thing was off you got to hit that middle there's also an irony where the chronic chronological feed allows you to
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jump on look at the like eight posts that have been posted since the last time you were on and then be done true
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threads wants that to never happen they want to keep you on they want to keep you on the site as long as possible they
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want to keep you around engaging and hopefully showing you things as much as it's just like every other algorithmic feed they just want to show you things
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that will keep you happy and keep you on the site making the money through ads right whereas this makes me happy but I'm not on it as much whereas threads
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makes me sad and I'm on it too much have we had the conversation about how blue sky makes money well right now they
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don't so is that like a taking time bomb type situation or do they can they
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infinitely not make money they they have talked about ads and like different things that they will do it's sort of
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like Twitter right they're losing money right with servers yeah definitely the more they scale and the more they grow
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the more it's going to cost them for sure um which is definitely a thing to think about that is why we're still
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waiting for another server to pop up yeah right now blue sky. social is like the only server it costs a lot of money
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to run a server yeah so for a company to like run the infrastructure to run a server would be a lot um but if you did
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you did think about Twitter Twitter didn't really make money for quite a while and they had this sto dual stake
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shareholder thing where Jack dorsy like owned a lot of the company and I think he wasn't as focused on making money off
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of it but actually just creating healthy social media you can say what you want about Jack dorsy but he did care about
00:25:57
theal of a social media platform he's the one that actually like incubated blue sky at Twitter and it was supposed
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to be the protocol that underlied Twitter and then Elon bought Twitter so that didn't happen so they spun off
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anyway if you want to know a lot more about blue sky and you're more interested we have this whole Deep dive episode uh that we did like two or three
00:26:16
months ago um so it's very relevant now so go watch that we can link it in the description also I made a long form
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episodes playlist on the way for podcast Channel so if you if you go on the
00:26:30
channel you can uh you can watch all of them there you can deep dive and then you can stay in our algorithmic feed
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never leave stay on the waveform podcast exactly sick yeah all right well we should take a quick break we're going to
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come back we have a lot more to talk about with Google but before we take a break
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trivia it's way more exciting first question yeah we all know
00:26:53
that kilowatts is 1,000 Watts oh my God I might get this one but which which of these is bigger oh no one Deca Yoda watt
00:27:03
or one watt oh H Deca D EA D ECA I'm just going
00:27:11
by my Latin is this one of those things where like it could be a fraction everyone outside the US are going to be
00:27:17
like I learned this in first grade and we are all going to have three different answers like here her I learned about
00:27:23
gold mining in first grade so who's the real winner here yeah we learned about free
00:27:29
them you guys might have learned about science but I got gold nuggets at home
00:27:35
that's funny fun fact when David and I drive to work we actually measure the drive's distance in gold nuggets it
00:27:40
takes approximately 137 gold nuggets for us to get to work yeah fortnits you know
00:27:46
fortnite is a measurement of time two weeks right yeah two weeks it's spelled differently in the game though it is
00:27:51
spelled different than the game all right we will come back after the break and the answers will be at the end like
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details welcome back today we have a lot of Google News a lot of googly googly
00:29:04
news rip Google News there still around Google News are
00:29:10
you sure about that yeah I use it all the time can we name this episode great Googl oh sorry I was wait what about
00:29:16
what was the RSS thing called Google Reader ah sorry oh yeah that was long R Google Reader RP Google Reader anyway
00:29:23
anyway okay we got a lot of Google news now this first story might break a
00:29:28
officially today the story we're reporting on is a leak from
00:29:33
Bloomberg that says that the story is supposed to come actually come out like the official ruling today today the day
00:29:40
of recording Wednesday November 20th what the story is is you might remember
00:29:46
that back in August a judge ruled that Google had been maintaining an illegal Monopoly by paying search companies to
00:29:52
be the default search engine remember that we had a whole episode on it that was not cool I thought the episode we
00:29:57
had on they have too many lawsuits there's a lot of lawsuit okay because we also did the Play Store one got in trouble with Rec there's quite a few but
00:30:04
that that is the one in which they said Google is actually maintaining a monopoly so we've been wondering what
00:30:10
that remedy was going to be and it turns out at least according to this Bloomberg leak again the actual story might drop
00:30:16
today mhm that the Department of Justice is going to be asking the judge to force
00:30:22
Google to spin off chrome like the Chrome browser specifically because Chrome represents a key access point in
00:30:29
how people use Google search Microsoft Chrome anyone no okay
00:30:35
I've always wondered about these like spin-off things like break up this big company into several smaller businesses right so Chrome is too big spin it off
00:30:44
it has to compete on Level Playing ground with Safari internet exp Edge
00:30:49
everyone else it's it's its own separate business right yeah what's preventing that Talent who just worked for Google
00:30:56
from collaborating with Google are there more laws that have to like drive a
00:31:01
wedge between Google and Chrome or is it just they are technically separate by the books now I don't really know how
00:31:07
that works it's that it's that now Google can't tell Chrome how to
00:31:13
operate Chrome but they can still collaborate they they can but it they Chrome can now collaborate with any
00:31:20
other company or business organization they get a better de the idea isn't that Chrome is is so powerful and holds so
00:31:26
much of the market that they need to be their own thing it's that Google can use
00:31:31
Chrome as leverage to control the entire corporate landscape because remember Chrome is a free application right they
00:31:37
spend a lot of money developing Chrome but they use Chrome as a portal to all of Google's goods and services that
00:31:44
actually do make money right it's like not dissimilar to the Nexus 7 which they lost $50 on every Nexus 7 they sold just
00:31:51
to get people to sign up for the Google Play Store rip yeah yeah rip so then at
00:31:56
this point somebody else in the market can come to Chrome yeah and offer Chrome all that sweet sweet user data that
00:32:03
Chrome is collecting relentlessly they could sell that to everybody now yeah interesting so yeah yeah so the the
00:32:09
issue right now is like Chrome is reportedly worth between 15 and 20 billion doar so any company that could
00:32:15
actually afford to buy Chrome is also probably one of the giant companies I I'd say no one's going to yeah they
00:32:21
shouldn't buy Chrome but if Google splits from chrome and they're like dang they're really salty about it but they
00:32:27
still want to use Chrome as leverage they still cut special deals with the
00:32:32
Chrome business to continue to maintain well I mean they're under this doj scrutiny so I don't think they would
00:32:39
allow that to happen interesting La exactly it's my only
00:32:44
cont I guess I don't know the specifics of how those things work and I'm curious
00:32:50
it's fine neither do they yet yeah that's a good point but I guess also in that is it'll be you can't cut deals
00:32:58
when you have other companies coming in with deals that are probably s than that so even if at the end of the day well
00:33:04
you can't you can but it's less incentivizing to True everyone wants to make money when Chrome is its own thing
00:33:10
they are going to want to make money they won't give a damn that Google is like made them or whatever they're going to ditch that and they're going to make
00:33:16
as much money as possible and even if it winds up being Google still is like the
00:33:21
main connection to Chrome all that Google will probably have to pay more money in all of that this is not similar
00:33:28
to how Android was originally started as an open- Source platform because they needed to get a bunch of oems to use
00:33:35
Android to grow Android but as soon as Android became huge they started tying all of these things that used to be an
00:33:41
AOSP to Google Play services right so that you had to sign Google's license agreements even though Android's open
00:33:48
sourced like if you use Android you're stuck on like Android 5.0 basically with all the all the stuff that they included
00:33:54
in AOSP right so that's big reason why they needed to break them up they're also uh asking the judge to force Google
00:34:02
to license its search data and let Publishers more easily opt out of training training Gemini on their work
00:34:08
which they currently don't do yeah so let me opt out please yeah that's that's uh the leak from this
00:34:15
morning so this could easily change by the time we're live with this podcast but I'm interested in what the opt out
00:34:22
thing would be cuz it it feels like we need that one like base ruling to be
00:34:28
able to reference in terms of out of a because it seems like every right now is like we know it's coming let's get as
00:34:35
much as we can before we have to actually do anything previously they had this file called robots. text that if in
00:34:40
robots. text you put a thing that said you cannot train on this you were supposed to adhere to that but then a
00:34:46
bunch of companies like perplexity got caught basically just completely ignoring robots. text and they would say
00:34:52
like oh it wasn't us it was like one of our vendors that goes around collecting data but it's the exact same thing
00:34:58
happed with that pile data set where they were like yeah we're using the pile but we're not thees that collected it
00:35:05
it's like yeah I have a question about this sure so let's say Chrome does get spun off and like this article says that
00:35:12
a potential buyer could be like Amazon yeah wouldn't that just make them the Monopoly that's what D kind of said yeah
00:35:18
like that's weird yeah so I mean yeah it's strange that they're even trying to
00:35:24
make them like sell it as opposed to just spinning it off and having them be their own business obviously it might be
00:35:30
a little bit difficult for them to just figure out how to make money out of nowhere that might be the main problem I'm sure they're going to be giving a
00:35:36
timeline and a bunch of stuff like that but it is kind of problematic that they're worth 15 to20 billion they also
00:35:43
make chromium which is now the underlying uh browser engine behind uh
00:35:48
Edge and then a bunch of other browsers Firefox is like one of the only browsers
00:35:53
right now that doesn't use chromium uh is Safari on webkit and then on web kit yeah I don't know if Firefox
00:36:01
is on web kit I know Safari is I don't think Firefox is on web kit but yeah Safari Safari and Firefox are like some
00:36:07
of the only browsers not on chromium Arc is on chromium it's everywhere yeah so
00:36:12
Firefox is on Quantum browser engine which is their own one yeah but again Mozilla is a foundation so there's that
00:36:19
and they like they weren't really making any money either besides selling uh letting Google pay them to have them be
00:36:25
the default search engine so I don't know how so so how Firefox is going to make money after this but either way
00:36:33
yeah it's like it is kind of a foundational thing to have a browser
00:36:38
with the most market share as a portal to all the Google goods and services
00:36:44
because they just really plug in everything you know they're trying to make Gemini like a core part of the Chrome browser now yeah um so that is
00:36:53
going to play out throughout the week we'll probably talk about it again uh so play the next years Episode 600 will
00:37:01
have the final ruling of what probably but the next story is actually fairly relevant to this the
00:37:07
next story St number yes Google Story number two Google is reportedly ditching Chrome OS and making everything
00:37:14
Android uh that actually would make sense in in conjunction with this
00:37:19
because obviously Google can't really have Chrome OS when Chrome is Chrome and
00:37:25
going to be a separate company potentially yeah so they want to apparently they want to make everything
00:37:31
Android because it would allow it to compete with the iPad a lot more easily they don't really feel like Chrome OS
00:37:38
really works on tablets and Android sort of is the only thing on tablets right now and it doesn't it doesn't make sense
00:37:43
that they have such a fragmented ecosystem when it comes to people have been talk I feel like people have been talking about this for years like when
00:37:49
are they going to emerge are they going to emerge and if anyone ever ask Google they'd be like no no no no no they're totally separate yeah Chrome OS I mean
00:37:55
you can put Android apps on it but they're totally separate it was is a little confusing and so this to me makes
00:38:01
a lot of sense in general just because of the user experience so yeah okay yeah put Android and everything so and
00:38:06
they're also reportedly working on a new flagship pixel labtop that will probably run
00:38:12
Android so my question becomes Chrome OS
00:38:17
is just this really awkward operating system with this Vision that Google had
00:38:22
where the internet was your computer you always had Wi-Fi Chromebooks and that you were always going to store all
00:38:28
everything in the cloud and nothing needed to run locally so they can sell them cheaply they can put them in schools all this stuff I feel like we
00:38:35
are quickly moving towards this world where that's not really the case anymore um Apple has never shifted everything
00:38:42
into the cloud they have some stuff in the cloud like your photos and all that stuff but they're all about local
00:38:47
processing yeah and a lot of applications require a lot of local processing y so my question is like a
00:38:56
premium pixel book pixel laptop that uses Android MH if it's as expensive as
00:39:03
a MacBook Air or like a Mac Mini or the last pixel book or the last well yeah
00:39:09
the last Pro pixel book was was very expensive and it's just you can't do
00:39:14
that much on them you know yeah I I so Chromebooks had a small niche of success
00:39:21
and a lot of success yeah they depended on you obviously having an internet connection so like they are the most
00:39:27
useful when you do have a reliable internet connection and they seem like a dumb idea when you don't yeah so but
00:39:34
also applications that just don't run on them right you can't use Photoshop on also true you got use Photoshop web and all I think the argument would be like
00:39:40
if you're a student or if it's if it's your first laptop or whatever 99% of the things you would ever do on a laptop are
00:39:46
available through web apps like you you have web apps that can edit photos you have web apps that can you know edit
00:39:52
music you can make all kinds of things with them and so it was like yeah I'll I'll do everything on the Chromebook and I don't need to pay a ton for storage I
00:39:59
don't need to pay a ton for Ram like all the processing is happening elsewhere I just saved a bunch of money and I always have an internet connection so this is
00:40:05
great yeah so it made a lot of sense if you had a good internet connection but that is an if right that not everyone
00:40:11
can say they have also I kind of think that Google only really made Chromebooks to sell very cheaply to schools because
00:40:19
exactly why the Department of Justice is suing Google over chrome being this like
00:40:25
way to get access to all the other goods and Serv services that Google offers they're just onboarding children onto
00:40:31
Google services so that they're are they already have accounts by the time they're in high school right and you're
00:40:36
not going to like there's friction between switching everything from Google services to Apple or Amazon or whatever
00:40:42
Y and so it's just like a way for them to get the next generation of people on Google stuff which makes sense because
00:40:48
they always talk about the next billion users and like the young people are going to be the next they being born right now and that's also that's not a
00:40:54
new practice in the industry too I I remember my dad tell me when he was studying CS at Brown in the'80s that at
00:41:01
one like his sophomore junior year or something like that Apple just came and gave Brown like thousands of new
00:41:08
computers and no one at the time was using Apple Computers but the next six or seven graduated classes of brown held
00:41:15
did no at my middle school Apple always donated computers to us for our computer lab and they donated Final Cut Final Cut
00:41:21
seven and they donated all this apple stuff I life I life I life I life yeah
00:41:27
yeah I did unbox one of those many years later yeah this I guess my only question here is at what level is this cuz like
00:41:36
Chrome OS made sense because it wasn't windows but if we're just doing a
00:41:42
laptop that's trying to do things offline why is it not just Windows because they're just making there this
00:41:48
sounds more like a Windows competitor than well Google wants to have something from the ground up right Google wants
00:41:54
their Windows yeah the problem is Android is not windows and it's sort of I mean they're they're just like the VR
00:42:02
headsets are barreling towards the smart glasses and the smart glasses are barreling towards VR headsets Android
00:42:08
phones are barreling towards being able to be computers that you can plug in and android-based computers are barreling
00:42:15
towards the ability to have touchscreens and use them like tablets wait wait wait
00:42:20
a Android and windows are not that different right that's I guess that's kind of they both are prone to crashing
00:42:27
a lot they both have massive security flaws uh okay okay that's right they
00:42:34
both can actually transfer files easily through a cable oh imagine that I love installing the Android file transfer app
00:42:41
on every Mac I've ever owned yeah play pubg on both of them if
00:42:48
Google was like if they would just stop with all the cloud stuff and they were actually able to develop Android
00:42:53
applications that were actual competitors to things that people need to use every day this could be different
00:43:00
but you know they just released this uh Google online video editor where you can
00:43:05
like tell AI to create a video for you and then you can do little edits but it's all in the cloud you know it's like
00:43:11
they they're so against doing anything locally but I feel like when Apple is is
00:43:17
offering all of this local power and local storage and people need that and
00:43:22
want that for professional work I just don't see how you can sell a really really highend CHR Google has tried this
00:43:27
like five times they've tried the high-end pixelbook Chromebook thing and they never sell that many because they're super expensive and they're less
00:43:34
useful yeah so these are these are diametrically opposed ideas on how to
00:43:40
compute put as much of the power on the device as possible so that you always have the fastest local power all the
00:43:47
time and that seems to work best for high-end applications and then get as much compute off the device as possible
00:43:54
is the other side which is seems to be best for end applications and so somewhere in the middle is this clashing
00:44:00
point of like a high-end Chromebook doesn't really seem to be a good idea or a really low-end you know computer with
00:44:07
everything local is also kind of a tough sell you still need all this power and all the storage and all this fast bandwidth and all that so it's like kind
00:44:13
of challenging yeah so on either end of the spectrum it's more obvious but in the middle it's kind of like I guess
00:44:19
it's not that compelling yeah one thing they might be thinking about is how the pixel line and Android devices interact
00:44:25
with their computers right because they haven't really had a match to the parody that the iPhone and the MacBook
00:44:32
communicate and over the last few years they've been making so Android phones and Windows computers and then Android
00:44:38
phones and Chromebooks could communicate a little bit more seamlessly with file transfer and clipboard copying and that
00:44:43
kind of stuff so maybe if you're like a pixel phone user this new pixel laptop
00:44:50
that's premium will have a lot of interconnectivity features with your pixel smartphone that might be the draw
00:44:57
that they're trying to bring people in with I do have I was say I like see a bunch of you using iMessage on your
00:45:04
laptop all of the time and I'm so jealous I can't do that I have like the messages. gooogle in a tab but like yeah
00:45:12
Google messages like in a tab that I can type but you have to have it open and it doesn't have like good notifications and stuff like that so I wish I just had a
00:45:18
first party obviously not first party but a program inside of it is pretty nice I always figured Google was like
00:45:25
one step away from doing that and they never did like having and there's just a a rumor recently I'll try to find the headline
00:45:31
but of like oh Google messages should work with like the cloud and should work on a bunch of devices and sync in real
00:45:37
time but also uh when I had an old like pixel book it would there would be a couple
00:45:44
ties you could like share the internet connection from your phone there would be like instant oneclick tethering there would be a couple things like you could
00:45:50
use the phone as the webcam there just a few ties to the laptop but it never felt like fully
00:45:57
like a two-way street yeah it was it wasn't really quite as integrated as as Apple done I think this very much comes
00:46:02
down to Google's structure and how they're built and all the teams that are like spun off to make different things
00:46:07
like there was a period of time and this still might be the case I'm not sure where you couldn't use RCS and Google
00:46:14
messages web at the same time because they used like different protocols so you had to turn RCS off if you use
00:46:21
Google messages for team are in different buildings they've never met each other and it was like what are we doing jeez this is insane um so who
00:46:29
knows Okay Google Story number three Android 16 just dropped which is crazy
00:46:34
that was fast we were not expecting that it kind of came out multiple months in advance uh as opposed to how it's come
00:46:40
out in previous years it launched in developer preview so dp1 usually this
00:46:45
doesn't even happen until like February or so of the of the next year so the
00:46:51
fact that Android 15 only officially came out literally last month and now
00:46:57
yeah we just started getting on everyone's pixel's just got it and every other phone is slowly starting to get it
00:47:03
right wow and now we just got dp1 for Android 16 which is crazy um the Google
00:47:09
says that they're moving towards more frequent API releases to be able to deliver faster innovation in apps and
00:47:14
devices so far there's not a lot of stuff that's really that different with Android 16 the main changes are that
00:47:20
it's going to give access to the Android photo picker which lets users select specific photos and videos they want to
00:47:26
share with an app and instead of like their entire Library the iPhone has had this for a while on iOS M uh and it also
00:47:34
includes the latest privacy sandbox and a preview of Android's Health Connect app which supports health records and
00:47:41
allows apps to read and write medical records in the standardized fhir or fast Healthcare interoperability resources
00:47:47
format which um basically I think they're just trying to have more interconnectivity with the way that
00:47:53
actual doctors and hospitals read Medical information because these devices that we're cut carrying every
00:47:59
single day using every single day are collecting a lot more data than a doctor is able to just randomly collect at an
00:48:05
appointment so I think they're getting ready for a future where you're able to just like hand over your phone or like
00:48:12
send them a file and they instantly know all the health data about you that you've been using which is get system
00:48:17
restored at the doctor's office yeah I that's a lot of smarts also Imagine you
00:48:22
bring your error code into the your primary care physan when you're not feeling good it's uh these are neat
00:48:29
things these are cool features they're useful it's also I mean we said this
00:48:34
about the last version of Android it feels like it could be a one update like why is this well this is dp1 often you
00:48:40
don't see things dp3 true there could be way more bigger features coming yeah um but even the last update Android 15 felt
00:48:47
like a One update to Android 14 so totally curious what's coming but the big things I would like to see is we got
00:48:53
to see the very beginnings of being able like a deck like experience but just built into Android sure we saw a very
00:49:00
early that see remember like the difference between Android 3.0 and 4.0
00:49:06
but we're so mature now that's what I'm saying like you don't have to have a huge new version number every year but
00:49:11
they're so like they just do well you do because they're prom are they promising years of security upgrades or versions
00:49:17
okay years so they could go seven years and it can only be two version numbers and that'll be fine it'll be seven years of things it's like the difference
00:49:23
between turning four and five and 44 and 45 exactly that's a really good even
00:49:29
younger like laye at this point is like 12 months to 13 months is like multiple
00:49:34
new upgrades and firmware updates like every week it's crazy now it's like yeah
00:49:40
you don't really have to do too much it's an scurve after 25 when your brain finishes developing and your knees start
00:49:46
deteriorating yeah oh we'll keep an eye out for future Android features that get updated for 16 or get announced for 16
00:49:53
mhm but uh yeah feels like a a do one update to me yeah it's z001 really yeah
00:49:59
all right well there's a little bit more we we got a whole segment on Microsoft teams after this it's going to be
00:50:05
incredible kind of interesting wants to throw one more one more Google thing which is that uh if any of you get the
00:50:11
chance uh we didn't have time to talk about this week but David streitfeld wrote a really great article in the New York Times about the Google antitrust
00:50:18
suit specifically about Google's great length they went to internally to delete
00:50:23
all in Communications and evidence that everyone at Google knew they were a monopoly um including to the point where
00:50:31
they would refer to certain conversations as Vegas like they'd be like hey do you want to go to Vegas and
00:50:36
that meant let's talk about how we're Monopoly um also the fact that no one at Google knows what privileged means like
00:50:42
before having a really toxic conversation where they admitted they were Monopoly they just be like this is privileged and just assume that that
00:50:49
meant a lawyers couldn't look at it which is hilarious you a cop you have to tell me it's like it is like that level
00:50:56
like I love clowning on fan companies and they make it excuse me manga companies and they make it also now get
00:51:05
ready inida locked and loaded man uh oh yeah CU Netflix was the end before
00:51:12
anyway trivia name all of the companies Nvidia
00:51:17
is most of name all the companies ready I don't even know what you guys are talking about McDonald's manga Acura it
00:51:24
used to beang which Apple Netflix Google I've literally never and they started
00:51:30
expanding it to be like slightly more Microsoft Amazon Netflix Google Apple
00:51:36
yeah Netflix is in there and can't even have an actual streaming event yeah they don't they should get kicked out there
00:51:42
was a story that said it was the most stream sports event of all time though most yeah we were actually no no or
00:51:49
stream stream stream which Marquez and I were debating that must mean internet streamed only which that that makes
00:51:55
sense new thing obviously the Super Bowl I don't know 100 million views that's broadcast I
00:52:01
guess yeah broadcast not Stream So question number two this is the last
00:52:06
trivia question you guys will hear before we record trivia Extravaganza let's go later this
00:52:12
afternoon so if you can tell us right now what everyone's score is in trivia
00:52:22
you will get a point you will get bonus points if you can name the scores on the board that are not the three of you the
00:52:30
scores are the just the the contestant four contestants on the board where not
00:52:35
the three of you I would like their scores oh boy okay that's tough I think I I'm going to need some as well as well
00:52:42
as as as your scores okay I know your scores in seven points ago so you only
00:52:48
get a point you only get a bonus point if you had name the contestant and their matching score yeah and and I'll give
00:52:55
you a point per contestant score combo pair H okay cool all right well we will
00:53:01
do a lot of mental math and think about that and we'll be back after the break better hear Adam be like update on the
00:53:08
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and that's because there's an article that Microsoft teams starting next year allegedly will help you speak in foreign
00:54:36
languages during meetings no it won't and we we have some Skeptics on the podcast but let's at least at least
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break down what it's supposed to do before we get into our skepticism right have you ever been on a meeting where
00:54:47
maybe you're the only person who speaks one language and everyone else speaks a different language and if you could just
00:54:53
speak in your normal language and maybe some AI magic could just make it sound like you're speaking the language of
00:54:59
everyone else on the call then you wouldn't have to think too hard you and then every time they spoke it would
00:55:04
translate to your language and you could hear them and understand them and it would just be this magical AI translate feature I don't know how many magical AI
00:55:11
translate features we're going to have to live through before one of them actually works but this one could be built into Microsoft teams in
00:55:17
2025 and it would be pretty sick if it worked it won't I I think you hit the nail on the head there with we have seen
00:55:23
this 100 times and I still have yet to see it kind of working in real life I
00:55:30
mean the weird thing is every time a company usually comes out and says we do real life realtime translation it
00:55:36
usually means speak wait 3 seconds it comes out speak wait 3 seconds it comes
00:55:41
out which is not real time this at least in their video looked very close to real
00:55:47
time it's sort of like in one of those documentaries where an person that doesn't speak the language that you're
00:55:52
listening to starts talking in their language it Ducks the audio and then they dub it over the top it it kind of
00:55:58
looked like that whether or not it works seamlessly it do
00:56:03
Alice yeah I don't like Microsoft either but look we did do you guys remember
00:56:09
waveform episode 206 like a the back of my hand yeah we
00:56:14
there was a trivia question about this there was a trivia question about specifically this because Microsoft
00:56:20
unveiled live translation in 2010 and then again in 2012 and then again in
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2014 and then again somewhere around7 they keep doing this every keeps they
00:56:30
never actually delivered a product but at this point I was just going to talk in my
00:56:36
language and then let go and it would talk in their language it was going to be great this future I mean it does do that but like David said it's really
00:56:42
like fragmented and it like it I'd argue the Humane pin might be one of the best
00:56:48
quote unquote live translators I've seen in person but it is painfully slow to actually get through the entire I
00:56:54
understand your skepticism LS guys I also this was a feature they said would be baked into Skype in Windows
00:57:01
8.1 okay yeah but they didn't have chat gbt back then you can't take 8.1 I didn't know what they were doing I
00:57:06
understand your skepticism I also think the specific advancements in AI that we have been making play specifically well
00:57:14
to things like translation and AI voice modeling they had tiny language models back then I think yes long short-term
00:57:21
memory I do think it is much more viable now than it was in 2010 no but this time
00:57:26
he's going to change at this point I'd be we have to make a bet I'm willing to make I would like you guys to make a bet
00:57:33
yeah what's the bet bet so available early 2025 is the official promise from
00:57:40
Microsoft whether you want to bet it around that or I'm not betting the time I'm betting that it actually works okay
00:57:47
we when it comes out when it comes out so regardless of when so if it comes out a hundred years from now and it works
00:57:52
you still win this bet yeah it has to be in teams though yeah uh yeah no you know
00:57:57
what I I'm feeling so confident about this I I will make I I will put the the time extension at the beginning of 2027
00:58:05
I will give you all of 2025 and 2026 for this to get added to teams because I'm
00:58:11
so confident it will not be okay and if it does I will give Microsoft
00:58:16
engineering team the biggest Round of Applause I'll say you guys did it it only took you 15 years of lying to
00:58:23
everyone to get this done here's the here's the paragraph on Microsoft's website imagine being able to sound just
00:58:29
like you in a different language cuz you know we've had AI dubbing before imagine being able to sound just like you in a
00:58:34
different language The Interpreter agent in teams provides realtime speech to speech interpretation during meetings
00:58:40
and you can opt to have it simulate your speaking voice for a more personal and engaging experience public preview
00:58:47
coming in early 2025 yeah that's not a developer preview that's a public preview yeah could be in our hands in
00:58:54
like three months yeah damn get those hands warmed up bis you about to be clapping boy I will clap I will clap you
00:59:01
know what David I'm feeling so confident that I will bet I willing to bet you right now if this comes out fully like
00:59:09
as a full feature not not like a preview like so not as a preview no before 2027 before January 1st
00:59:15
2027 shave his head no even worse I will use an Android phone for a month really
00:59:22
even worse even worse wow that's a crazy okay yeah and what will you do January
00:59:29
20 27 when this doesn't ship David will shave Ellis's head sh your head I want
00:59:36
you to believe in this like really believe that it will happen I do believe this will happen so how much do you
00:59:41
believe yeah how much do you believe well what does it do for me if you use an Android phone it just makes our
00:59:46
Communications worse damn that's true that's a great Point like that doesn't
00:59:52
benefit me all right we'll think of the BET offline and we'll get back to You'll
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future weeks um we have two more quick stories marz I'd like you to pick which one CU I think you'll find both of these
01:00:04
interesting um okay we can either talk about the new Alex Goldman podcast which officially starts this week or knee
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airbags sounds like you need that Marquez and I both have a couple things in common and these these nail them
01:00:20
pretty well me with the ARX exoskeleton and near
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let nothing can hurt me let me hear about these KNE airbags I need to I need understand this all right so Marquez you
01:00:34
and I met playing ultimate you know I stopped it because I had three ACL tears four knee surgeries so I'm a dis golf
01:00:40
I'm a lonely disolver now you still play incredibly competitively you played at
01:00:46
the biggest stages possible this year but you know you're on you're 30 your knees are you almost said a really tough
01:00:52
sentence there no I did not you're 30 you're 30 no you're 30 you're starting
01:00:57
to fall into you're 30 you got to start worrying about your knees your birthday's coming up man each year after
01:01:03
30 those near start creaking a little more it's a miracle I'm still here so I found this new knee brace uhhuh it kind
01:01:10
of works in the same way have you seen I still think this is one of the dumbest products ever but they're like the
01:01:16
helmets that aren't a helmet you wear it around your neck and it's like a one I think it's a one time use but it like as
01:01:22
you're falling it goes up cuz I guess people are so hellbent on not wearing a helmet they'd rather wear a super
01:01:28
expensive neck brace I saw a demo of that where it didn't work so yeah I've seen it so yeah this
01:01:34
feels like that so it's a knee brace and it has all these little airbags around it and if it basically uh detects any
01:01:42
rotation or hyperextension within 30 milliseconds all the airbags like pop
01:01:47
and straighten your knee out and prevent it from hyperextending or rotating which is what causes those internal knee is
01:01:57
snappages I hate to say snapping because I immediately win when I think of it but
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do you think this would work listen I'm not here to say if this is going to be real or work I'm just here to get your
01:02:08
thoughts on it um because it seems wild okay I'm looking at it on the website and yeah it just looks like kind of like
01:02:14
a roller skating knee pad but obviously if you if you fall do you know what it looks like it looks like the old
01:02:19
football helmets the like leather ones that have like individual like padding all over it oh
01:02:26
I don't think this is going to work here's the other thing I saw the helmet thing which was like it was like a hoodie and then when you when it detects
01:02:33
freef fall it's supposed to deploy the protection shield or whatever and then you land and your head's protected and
01:02:38
that was like okay it should be easy to detect free fall and then a YouTuber I don't know if it was read written link or someone else but someone like got it
01:02:45
put it on and just like fell onto a mat five or six times and it didn't trigger once and then they finally got a trigger
01:02:51
after they hit the ground I was going to say so Dam Imagine This
01:02:56
you like fall down you tear your SE you're on the ground you're like oh and then just go and then it
01:03:03
explodes it's even worse yeah I don't know if I have faith in this one I I like the idea and I think this would do
01:03:10
great on Shark Tank and then I think we would all realize it's a bad idea just based on the website it's called hippo I
01:03:16
think hippo I think it's an interesting idea because I do really like if you're getting into the age where knee issues
01:03:24
are more prominent a that's usually the age where a knee injury can kind of take you out of whatever sport you're really
01:03:31
into I mean especially basketball hockey football like acl's are the things where at a certain age there there's a player
01:03:37
right now Alex oetkin who's actually chasing one of Wayne Gretzky's records and he just had a knee injury the other
01:03:42
day and people are are presuming it might be an ACL and he might not get the record now because he's already on that
01:03:49
side of 30 which would be really sad but uh I think like this is kind of an interesting idea it is just pre-order
01:03:55
when you pre-order it says like enter in your email for a demo unit so I don't know how close it is but like man if I
01:04:02
could have saved one of my ACLS and this just felt like a normal knee brace I think I'd be super into it honestly for
01:04:09
I I think AI has a lot of potential to help injury prevention and to and just like sports science and Sports Medicine
01:04:15
General like that's that's where it should be the most useful so I don't know if this exact product is
01:04:20
necessarily a product of that or if it's a little early but in general I think stats and Ai and numbers can help with
01:04:29
athletic injury prevention at some point one of the things they do say is that it's which I'm guessing in terms of
01:04:34
monitoring you would always have to be wearing this but it says part of the thing is analytics which measures like
01:04:41
uh fatigue and strain and like being able to produce a workout plan to help
01:04:47
you strengthen and keep cuz like yeah in all of these things I'm an idiot and I
01:04:53
tore my ACL probably because I did not do proper like strength training around your knee which is like super super
01:04:59
important and when you play ultimate you play on the worst Fields possible and just absolutely rip up but uh yeah I
01:05:06
don't know I thought it was kind of interesting and uh keep your knees safe man it it sucks to Hur them can confirm
01:05:12
my knees have not been in great condition recently either and I'm not even 30 yet just you wait boy I've been
01:05:20
doing PT for my knee since March really yeah oh my gosh a good time all right I'll go last one Evol needs to fix this
01:05:27
seriously wow maybe it's working as intended um last Quick one I've talked
01:05:33
about this before Alex Goldman former host of reply all a podcast that I would
01:05:39
argue if it didn't exist waveform might not exist because it was like the first podcast I ever listened to as a weekly
01:05:44
basis type of thing um Alex Goldman had released two pilot episodes of his new podcast called hyper fixed tomorrow
01:05:52
which if you're listening to this was yesterday is it officially coming out on a twice a month basis and I cannot wait
01:06:00
if you don't know about it it's pretty similar to something called super tech support they used to do on reply all and they basically each episode is a problem
01:06:07
someone brings to Alex he tries to figure it out throws a bunch of cool anecdotes on the way he's just been
01:06:13
great so far and I can't wait to just have like another normal podcast to like
01:06:18
listen to on a regular basis cool cool have you did you listen to the pilots
01:06:24
are really good you should definitely if you want the Nostalgia of reply all it's
01:06:29
100% there that's still my favorite podcast of all time yeah okay well there's only one thing left to do here
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and that is uh [Music]
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trivia y all right update on the scores trivia
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so quick update on the score mhm question one we all know that kilowatts
01:06:54
is a th000 Wat but which one of these is bigger one DEA
01:07:00
or one [Music]
01:07:10
watt David is deep in thought I'm always deep in thought Andrew looks angry
01:07:16
correct is doodling I don't know what what's going to happen I'm going to be so mad if I'm
01:07:22
wrong I'm going to be so mad I'm going to feel exactly the same either way which is mad flip him and read what do
01:07:29
we got oh David I put one
01:07:35
what wrong oh I also put what incorrect
01:07:41
Marquez I put Deca correct the prefix Deca means 10 and it was slippery
01:07:47
because Desa prefix Desa is a 10th that's and I'm glad I got those damn look at Roman
01:07:54
Emperor Marquez I would like I did know desm and 10 and every part of my brain was like this is
01:08:01
too easy it can't be that easy that's why I was like I'm going to be mad so it sounds like there it wasn't that easy
01:08:07
you had the thing to trick me on I just didn't know the other thing trick done the original version of this was going
01:08:13
to be what's that I was going to say what's one KZ what is 1 KZ like how many
01:08:19
herts is it mhm a thousand correct oh I was hoping you would get in your head oh
01:08:25
did you get my thing the what thing what you should have drawn the lady now get
01:08:31
it it's one question mark got it hey I got a point guys that's sick that
01:08:37
doesn't matter I think I'm at like question number two we've already
01:08:43
hinted at it but how many points does everyone have also the other people or is that
01:08:50
going to be after that's after uh just give me everything just just thr we need more time other people did you say there
01:08:56
is four people that are not you guys that are listed in our trivia
01:09:01
scores and you need to tell me what their score is wow I didn't
01:09:08
drink enough coffee this morning you probably hear it in my [Music]
01:09:16
voice let's see it it wasn't everyone else too how did you guys write so fast
01:09:22
I was writing long before that I started writing the minute I got the cheating probably I don't think so
01:09:28
whatever I'll you know I mean like if you're ready to write it you can keep writing it DAV I'll give you keep 10
01:09:34
more seconds right now to finish writing okay in the meantime eight we're
01:09:40
recording this podcast only like 38 minutes earlier than we normally record the podcast but man it just feels like the
01:09:47
it feels like we're mourning harder like it feels really mourning it will not when we record trivia Extravaganza
01:09:53
directly after this mhm I'm getting excited for that I'm ready all right
01:09:59
Marquez I'm gonna have you read everything first okay so Marquez 21 okay this is great David
01:10:07
25 Andrew 26 you thought that I was of you one Ellis
01:10:14
one what and then another one has one who I don't know and someone else also
01:10:21
has one other okay two people do have one but I you did not say who so I cannot give you those points can I go
01:10:26
next marz yes you can also marz it's hilarious almost every single guess you
01:10:32
are off by one wait that makes me feel so good all right Andre let's see I have Marquez
01:10:37
24 that is correct as of his last Point correct I was David at
01:10:43
24 that is also correct Andrew at 27 oh my goodness Beth at
01:10:50
one Google at negative one Google is AT3
01:10:55
oh well he's written it already Andrew's going to sweep us I have Becca at one we
01:11:01
did not do trivia with Becca oh we didn't do trivia with yeah shoot and I have Adam as one okay I was on a roll
01:11:08
there for a minute you missed one point I miss there's one person who's on this
01:11:13
list that you did not name is it like wait was Adam on the list it's not it's not Adam Adam and Becca are not on the
01:11:19
trivia board but you said there's four others so I had to have missed two Ellis Google his mystery you did say Ellis I
01:11:26
did not say Ellis you didn't I thought you did yeah you did Marquez said Ellis I did oh oh what's the
01:11:33
difference all right what did you say David okay let's see it I put David 22 wait turn it around I don't believe you
01:11:40
sorry what it's wrong oh Fair okay wow doesn't have any faith in me David 22
01:11:46
Marquez 23 Andrew 27 okay
01:11:52
google1 LS1 and I put girl cuz I couldn't remember Beth's name that didn't can't get that
01:12:01
if I don't get it for other sorry look I got you Beth I don't think
01:12:07
Beth ever responded to that so I don't even know she was in I got Andrew's play at least you did so David gets one point Andrew gets four points Ellis we have
01:12:15
listed on the board as carry the one I don't remember why we made that joke but I guess I'm carrying the one this time
01:12:21
all cuz you're just that one that's one it's not really yeah should give marz that what well if I give it to Marquez I
01:12:28
have to give it to David saying girl one oh I I think carry the one is
01:12:34
different that's AG nobody no nobody is going to put that it was a
01:12:39
joke you're carry the one cuz you've got one one yes I agree I'll throw it out
01:12:46
there I think if somebody wrote Carrie the one and they both put one then they should be wrong but since no one put
01:12:52
Carri the one and they put one I think they should be right car the one was a joke that was on top of the one being
01:12:57
the score I think we make the rules when you guys do trivia then you can decide
01:13:04
unable um Google was minus three because of that time that they wrote that article on their own blog where they got
01:13:10
three things wrong about Google hilarious forg and apparently now we know they do that because they don't
01:13:15
keep any internal company records so how would they remember deleted um and then the one you guys did not get was David
01:13:22
Pierce scored one trivia point on his I knew we had a guest that did it yeah for
01:13:28
some reason I thought it was Becca okay cool see my handwriting made it look like I wrote other but I actually wrote
01:13:34
David Pierce yeah other David that's what he put exactly that's what I meant to say that's fair well you know on the
01:13:41
score yeah all the yeah maybe one last score update the final score update final score update before heading into
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trivia Extravaganza Marquez with 24 cuz I got
01:13:52
you one Andrew with 31 doesn't matter David with 25 doesn't matter yeah and
01:14:00
all of those will soon mean nothing because the next episode yeah is the
01:14:06
trivia Extravaganza season finale I don't know is this our third or fourth coming on I think it's like six wow I
01:14:13
think it's like fifth yeah either way we've yeah that's the next trivia question did you know the first trivia Extravaganza David was a host I L I was
01:14:20
looking back the old table that was a fun time wait before before you sign off I just want to tell one funny story to
01:14:26
get everyone hyped for trivia extravagan which is that Marquez is a great boss he gives his uh employees lots of creative
01:14:32
freedom to do their best work but the only creative disagreement that Marquez and I have ever gotten into in my three
01:14:39
years of working here do you remember this Marquez it was whether to call it trivia Extravaganza or trivia
01:14:46
Bonanza this conversation lasted like two weeks if I remember correctly really yeah wait can I tell one other funny
01:14:53
story about trivia so we have like a a work shared devices
01:15:01
login um for Apple ID so there's like 20 different like random devices across the
01:15:07
studio in it so they were doing a test run of trivia Extravaganza last yesterday with three different members
01:15:12
of the team I'm in the robot room doing a robot room with Brandon and just in the bottom corner this Safari like icon
01:15:20
pops up with a little iPad and it just says Safari iPad I'm like what is this
01:15:25
I've seen it pop up a couple times today and I click it and up Pops a browser window of Google Drive and just trivia
01:15:32
extravagan it DOC loads in and I'm like no I quit out and I run over and as
01:15:37
that's happening Adam and Ellis are screaming and running out of the thing
01:15:42
and we're both like did you just see yeah wa did you see I did all I saw was the title he claims to not have read
01:15:48
anything he claims to have read trivia extravagan and only trivia we caught him instantly cuz we were running the and
01:15:55
Adam just goes whoa whoa why is Andrew in this dock ESP because we had not shared the dock with him and so we
01:16:01
instantly get up abandon the test contestants and run into the studio only to see Andrew running towards us like
01:16:07
it's not what it looks like it's not what it looks like right and if a bank accidentally deposited a million dollars
01:16:12
into my account I'd totally go tell them that they shouldn't have done that I mean you should you should right yeah
01:16:19
exactly right should exactly that's what I meant well we take this very we take this very seriously as you can tell and
01:16:25
um obviously we have a lot of points at stake ideally like enough for me to get
01:16:31
back into this thing um but yeah stay tuned that will be the the next episode and it will be a banger as it always is
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until next time thanks for watching thanks for listening and catch you in the next one peace waveform was produced
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