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Catch you guys next week in April. Peace. >> Did you guys hear that the Super Mario
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Galaxy music movie is bad? >> Yeah. >> Really? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Cuz it's preying on your
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nostalgia. It's not good. >> The first one was good. >> Yeah. Yeah.
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>> Are you excited for Backyard Baseball? >> Of course. >> BYB.
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>> Is it out yet? >> We weren't recording. >> April, my stomach dropped cuz I was
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like, I have a flight. Don't do this to me. Yo, what is up people of the internet?
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Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm
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Marquez. >> I'm Andrew. >> And I'm David. >> And it's April. Finally.
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>> We finally got to April. >> Never have to hear tar again. >> That's maybe not true.
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>> I hope it is. >> We'll see in about 12 months. But as of the day of recording, it's actually
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April Fool's Day. So, happy happy April Fool's Day to those who celebrate. We
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actually dropped videos today uh that I thought were really fun. You can go back
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and watch them. and they still have actually some value outside of April Fool's Day. I'll put it that way. Uh,
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but in today's episode, we have a eulogy for a deceased product. We have Google
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allowing you to change your username on Gmail, which is interesting. >> Uh, some smart glasses from another new
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company. A Pixel 9, I mean 10, I mean 11 leak, >> which is >> that's a weird way to say Pixel 8. I
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mean, >> really brand new stuff. And we're also going to name our top five apps of all
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time. I have my Mount Rushmore and then some honorable mentions. I got to pick one from my honorable mentions to
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graduate to a top five. I will do that mentally at some point during this podcast.
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>> Yeah, right now I only have four. I'm just going to let the fifth one come to
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me. >> That's a good idea. I like that. >> Overlap. I feel like we're going to
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overlap. >> That's fine. We don't have to agree on our top five, but we all have to. We're
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bringing it to the table. >> All right. >> Probably for the comments to debate how
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wrong we are or who has the hottest takes the coldest takes. Anyway, uh does anybody have a Did they even test this
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for this week? >> Oh boy, do I. So recently, I have been trying to get into my PayPal account
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because I haven't used it in so long that the last time I used it, I had a different phone number. So I go to log
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in, >> it's over. It's over. >> It's a wrap. And they're like, "Hey, we
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just sent you a code, a six-digit code." And I'm like, >> Mhm. >> I to what? Like I don't have that number
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anymore. So, fast forward three days and multiple customer service reps later, they were finally able to get me to uh
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reset my password with my email after. But it makes no sense because the whole time I call, they have you like first
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with the little AI robot thing verify who you are, not only with the phone number, but with your your last for the
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social. >> So, I should be able to just change my >> phone number right from there with the
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AI. Like, just let me do it. They know it's me, but they refused to do it to
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the point that they had to do like a crazy reset on their side so that I couldn't log in for 24 hours or attempt
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to log in or they would think it was a security thing and then after 24 hours I had to call back, get someone else on
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the phone and then they could be like, "Oh yeah, now we can do like a hard reset on your password." I say all this
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to say phone number two factor is stupid. >> There are apps for this. We've solved
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this problem. Stop being lazy. PayPal's one of the biggest companies and they're
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still using phone number two factor and it it it was just so frustrating, so annoying.
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>> Adam famously made a video on Android authority. >> Don't trigger me, dude.
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>> A long time ago called that we should get rid of phone numbers and uh people
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are very angry. >> People made great points. We should >> You should not have gotten rid of your
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phone number and none of this would have ever happened. >> That's fair.
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>> Well, if you just use pass keys, this would not be a problem. Use use authenticator app. PSA PSA. I think
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you'll never have to test that process in your life. >> All righty. Okay. So, this week we made
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uh two different shorts so far. And I say so far because we might keep going, but uh the idea was kind of fun. It was
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to take the same photo on every single iPhone generation that's ever been made
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1 through 17. >> Shout out Jonno real quick. This was his He was basically like we've done these
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every Apple phone, every Google phone. The short version of the shorts version of this is take a photo with everyone
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and just let's see how it goes. That's really cool. Like in ascending order.
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>> Yeah. Because they talk, you know, these companies talk about the smartphone's
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camera so much that you'd assume there'd be like a huge difference year to year
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of a lot of these things. You take all these, and by the way, it's like kind of
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a hilarious process of taking 17 straight photos with all these different phones. We have to fire them all up, get
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them all set up, make sure they're all in their default settings, sit still for
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15 minutes while we get every single one perfectly lined up, take all 17 photos.
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Uh, but then like throwing them all on the timeline and seeing them back to back in broad daylight, you might have
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watched that first short, not a lot of difference, especially year to year with a lot of these iPhones didn't shock me
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because in broad daylight, that's like the perfect best case scenario. I think
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it starts to break down around like the iPhone 4S. But when you watch the low light one, that is much more that
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exposed a lot more of the differences between these sensor sizes. You know, you have the years that they switch from
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4 megapixels to 8 megapixels to 12 and then 12 for a while and they bump it up again. You can see those differences.
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You can also see the first iPhone that gets night mode, which is the 11. So, there's way more interesting information
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in that second one of low light. Uh, I think we'll do more because we're we're
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it's fun to I'm not even narrating them. I might later make a long form like what
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we learned video about all this stuff, but maybe we'll do like all the Google
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phones cuz we know there's like a moment where the Pixel gets really good camera.
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Maybe we'll do a Samsung phones one cuz we've reviewed every Samsung phone. We
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can keep going with this stuff and and maybe if comments, if you have good comments, let us know what you want to
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see. I think a good close-up photo would be interesting because close-up photos got good in the last 10 years, but they
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were always really bad before. So, that could be fun, too. >> I'll say two things about it. One is
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while the actual end photo, a lot of them might look different. The like UI and interface and taking the photos was
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I took all the photos in the first one. >> It gets real slow real fast. Um like
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taking the pictures are just such a nicer experience in the newer ones. And I think the way after posting this I
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realized this short went really viral is how many people just straight up stole all of the content in it and posted it
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all over social media. >> Yeah. Yeah. We I I mean I posted a video cuz people like to take like a frame or
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two out of it and then post them as their own post basically. It's really annoying that we do this thing of like
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this goes from 17 and you get to watch all the way down to one and then someone goes I'm just going to clip out the two
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final things and post it with no credit on Twitter and get 5 million views. It's
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infuriating. >> That does happen. >> Um it happened all over I mean Instagram
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everything. Even >> even posting at MKBHD feels really crap because like maybe it goes to you but
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>> I don't know. >> At least tag me. Monetizing all of these different social media platforms to just
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allow stolen content like that has destroyed social media. >> Yeah, monetization over engagement is is
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probably the worst thing that's happened to social media >> for sure. >> I think you should still be able to get
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your precious engagement and tag the source. You can >> some of them aren't straight up aren't
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even doing that. >> Please do that. >> But that's also like a >> the just comparing the final two so you
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don't even go watch the like why would you watch the content? That's a spoiler.
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That's like taking every one of our reviews and just posting the last frame with the final sentence across it and
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spamming all over Twitter, which now I might have given someone that. >> Can you summarize this video for me,
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please? >> People love taking the title and thumbnail of a review and then just
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commenting about it as if that's the review because it's the packaging of the
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video, but there's way more nuance to the video, right? >> Anyway, that happens a lot. Uh, I was
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going to say something else about this. Oh. Um, since this was every iPhone, we had to get all the photos from the
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iPhones to my computer to edit it. >> You know, the the the latest iPhones are
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easy. You just open up AirDrop and AirDrop it to the Mac. I was surprised at how far do you David? How how old of
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an iPhone do you think I was able to airdrop the photo to myself? >> 4S. That's exactly right.
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>> Yeah, >> that is the the newest the oldest iPhone that I was able to airdrop to myself.
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After that, we had to >> fun fact on this. Yeah. So, I did the final four or five of them. Uh
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>> I was like looking online, how do I get these out? Because it used to be iTunes,
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right? We had the it was basically everything with a 30 pin connector I had to do.
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>> And I'm searching on Reddit and people are like, "Oh, use what's it called?
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Image capture on >> on Mac." >> On Mac. >> It could see all of the files, but it
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wouldn't open them or import them. And then I'm just like, you know what?
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Windows file management is so much better than Apple. I lit all I had to do is plug it in and I could just go into
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it like a hard drive and pull the drive. So it was just easier to pull it out on
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a Windows computer than it was on the company that makes it. So top to bottom integration my butt if you have an older
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thing Windows fig somewhere around the 4S or the five. Yeah. I think Apple has always been forward like they've been
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not wanting people to have to even think about folder structures and that's why
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like the iPad didn't even get folders until like way way way too late. >> So everyone wants them obviously, but
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the whole what's a computer campaign like the kids don't care about the >> It's genuinely crazy how many young
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people don't know like the file structure of computers. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I learned that recently. That
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seems like a pretty fundamental thing. Obviously our parents grew up with Yeah. Our parents grew up with other
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fundamentals that we think is ridiculous. It turns out young people are growing up not caring about file
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structures. >> Yeah, I saw a meme that was like, if you're Gen Z, the tech literacy bar is
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whether or not you installed Minecraft mods when you were a kid. >> And if you didn't do that, then you
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probably don't understand computers. >> There's a like weird video game thing
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like that that is the source of every major software engineer right now. You either botted Runescape, you played
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Garry's mod, you installed Minecraft mods. Like there different Roblox is going to be the new one.
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>> Uh >> I mean my gateway was definitely Android and like in flashing ROMs.
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>> Flash that was my gateway to like learning technology. >> We're in the middle of doing that for
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the Google phone we're setting up right now and it's a pain in the neck.
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>> I do have a super super niche version of that which I've brought it up I think
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once on this podcast before. I played a truck simulator game on PC called 18 Wheels of Steel
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>> and you could download your own mods from these forums. Yeah. And then drop
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into the right folder structure and you could have your own custom trucks >> and you could change the attributes of
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the truck, get the text file, change the engine power, drop that in there. That >> what are any of them? Thomas the Tank
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Engine. >> I was going to say this is like uh Skyrim. >> Yeah, there's an amazing Have you seen
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the Skyrim uh with the dragon flying down, but it's just Thomas the Tank Engine. It's like breathing fire on
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people. Yeah, that is funny though. >> Yeah, but file structure no one knows.
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Listen, if you want your computer to go faster, find system 32, delete that. >> It's going to fly.
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>> Yeah, it is funny actually. I You know how the boomers will be like, "Do you
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kids even know what a floppy disc is?" I feel like the newer version of that is
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do kids know what a file folder is? Have they ever seen a physical file folder? >> Well, no one's ever seen a physical file
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folder >> like the manil. >> Yeah, like manil Oh, like a manila folder. You are talking physical folder.
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Yeah. Oh, damn. Yeah. No, probably not. >> I mean, yeah. At my first ever job, I
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had to like use a filing cabinet. >> Like a filing cabinet. >> I I kids probably have never seen file.
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I had a moment like that recently because I was thinking about how like in our parents' generation like inbox and
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outboxes were a thing. Like you would literally have two boxes on your desk. Remember there was an inbox and an
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outbox. And it occurred to me that those sit on your desktop and I was like that's what the it's literature
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the folders sit on the desktop just like >> and that's when I realized that every
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desk I've ever owned in my whole life had a computer on it. So >> yeah and on your desktop it's like your
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desktop is your is your home you know as that and everything sits on top of your
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desktop. And then also like it makes sense how like the original conception of the desktop was things would only
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live there temporarily before you'd move it into a your documents folder. >> Yeah. Until they realize we're all
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hoarders and desktops are disgusting. >> All the older people watching this right
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now are like godamn these >> and we're like in our 30s, bro. >> I know. I know.
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>> It's like not good. But it's interesting the thing you brought up earlier proof
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that I'm actually Jenzie is I learned my first scripts and like how to use terminal and stuff from Minecraft mods.
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>> Perfect. >> Nice. >> Incredible. >> Cool. >> Well, uh, speaking of computers, old
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computers, >> Apple did finally officially wait until right after we recorded the podcast last
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week to kill the Mac Pro. It was like the day after. I've never been more sure
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that they waited till Thursday afternoon to take >> Who else would care? No one.
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>> Yeah. Um >> Thursday afternoon. >> Yeah. Afternoon. The afternoon part is
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how I know cuz then we couldn't even do a breaking. >> Yeah. >> So they, you know, they they kept it on
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the site for a while. It was always available, but it hasn't gotten updates since the M2 generation, M2 Ultra Mac
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Pro. I've had it on my desk. I talked about in the in the desk tour that I did, which is like this product is
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official is is effectively end of life but not officially dead yet. Um, last week they officially removed it from the
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Apple store, removed it from their website and now they've confirmed I think from a statement somewhere, I
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don't remember, >> 95 Mac reached out. >> Yeah. They said they're they're not
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going to, you know, update it anymore. So, >> yeah, it felt like they only made that
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product because people had been begging for it for so long and it just was very useless. No, I Okay, Andrew's giving me
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this look like the Mac. Do >> you remember us cheering like everyone looked at you in the audience?
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>> I remember that. I remember being at it was probably dubdub and they said new
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Mac Pro and I felt everyone turn around. >> Yeah. Yeah. You know, the Mac Pro, the
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idea of the Mac Pro is it's basically just a bigger enclosure with more cooling and PCI expansion. Yeah. And all
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Apple missed on was really facilitating this ecosystem of PCI expansion accessories. There's a couple. I had an
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OWC SSD. I have that still in my Mac Pro. There's some networking cards. There's still some GPUs that are
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potentially useful for very specific applications like decoding video, but it really never materialized as like a
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really vibrant ecosystem because Thunderbolt's good and you can just plug in basically anything you need via
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Thunderbolt in a Mac Studio and get effectively the same thing. PCI is still faster, but Thunderbolts really, really
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fast now. So, the market for people who can't get it done with Thunderbolt, >> but can with a Mac Pro. Yeah,
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>> was about three people. I'm not even one of those people. I could just be using
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Thunderbolt. Uh but yeah, the Mac Pro, I'm sure nobody bought that thing for a
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couple years and >> it finally was officially uh deceased. >> And it was funny because they made the
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version that had the feet and then they made the version that was supposed to go
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in like server centers, >> the rack. Yeah, >> the rack version. And it was like, did
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anybody buy that for server centers? I just don't think >> I know one person who had a rack mounted
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Mac Pro. >> Did they just buy it for personal use though and they just happen to buy the
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rack mounted version? They they did buy it for personal use. They bought it as a
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touring computer for lighting and video stuff for like pro, you know, arena shows. Okay. And it was just way more
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convenient to have it rack mounted cuz then you could put it directly in a flight case and get to a venue.
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>> You know what's more convenient? A Mac Studio now. >> Yeah. >> I was going to say, did they do you know
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if this person used PCI cards? >> Yeah. Yeah, they did. Because when you're doing like really complex video
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output stuff, um you need like a like what's called like a deck link from Blackmagic is like an example of like a
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really intense video IO that Yeah. Yeah. You guys know we know what you're talking about.
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>> It was just it was a it was a confusing product the second it switched to Apple
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silicon because then now it was like all this unified memory, no more expandable
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RAM and GPU support was effectively nothing. But they still have PCI slots so you could still do some very
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specialized stuff. And it was like, >> I mean, don't you have like 18 terabytes
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of of SSD storage? >> I have a 64 TB PCIe SSD and and I I speed test it to this day. Like I have a
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equivalent Thunderbolt 5 version of the same thing and it gets three times the speed from the PCI SSD, but three times
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an also very fast speed is still like it was 9,000 versus 3500. So I was like, yeah, I
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>> I should have been using a Mac Studio all these years ago, but I'm I was
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stubborn. I didn't buy a new one. I think when they >> hopefully soon make the M5 Ultra seems
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like what they're gonna do. >> I've heard it's coming soon. >> That I think is what I will finally
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upgrade to. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Just have a Thunderbolt drive.
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>> Just Thunderbolt. >> Yeah. >> You I mean you almost uh why can't I
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think of the word uh manifested this because like within the month before you just kept going like I don't think I
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need this anymore. I think I could just use the studio with this and the new studio monitors and blah blah blah. And
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then Apple was like, "Finally, he said it. Get rid of it." >> I did the the Studio Display review. It
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said Studio is the new Pro. Cuz that couldn't have been any more clear. They
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literally came out with the new Studio Display XDR and discontinued the Pro display in the same announcement. And it
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was like, "Oh, no more Pro because Studio is good enough and here's the new
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thing." And then the Mac Pro is sitting over there kind of shaking like, "Yeah,
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yeah, that's true." So, we know Mac Studio is already more than enough for
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all of the pros who are using Macs for all these things. There's a couple who
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are still using Pro Displays. There's a couple who are still using Mac Pros.
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They'll still use those things, but it's like studio is is where it's at.
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>> So, yeah. >> Yeah. Kudos to the 9 to5 Mac people who made their banner image a Mac Pro upside
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down with its little feet up and just looks like a piece of roadkill. >> So funny. Um, I also have a quick
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question for all of you. >> Sure. For funsies, I put Marquez's maxed out M2 Ultra Mac Pro in the tradein
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program for Apple. What do you think you would get back? >> How much did you buy it for? I It was
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over 10 10 racks. >> Are we doing close this without going? >> Which is bad considering the
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>> It started at$7,000. Yeah, the Intel ones were >> 50,000. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This has It was maxed
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out. It had 8 terabytes of storage and it had 192 gigs of unified memory. >> I think I spent 13 on it or something.
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I don't think Apple's going to give me very much. I think they would give me
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less than five. Probably 3,000. >> Probably less, >> I guess. Cuz remember the 50 Wasn't the
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$50,000 one I I tried the trade in and it was like a,000 bucks. >> I thought those were 500 to I'll recycle
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it for you. >> I think it was a,000 bucks. >> Was that because Apple silicon had come
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out and so the Intel ones were like useless? >> Just melted down for metal.
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>> Yeah, basically. Yes. >> For scraps. I think they're gonna give
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you >> a G. >> $280. >> That would be insulting. Insane. That's
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less than an iPhone. >> That's how much it takes to ship it. >> I think they will recycle it for you.
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>> I'm going to say a G. >> I think Marquez is the closest. It is
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2,665. >> That's not It's that bad. I almost wonder if the tradein program got the
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memo that these got discontinued yet. Um, but >> I think that price will go down very
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fast. Now, >> how much is an M2 Ultra Max Studio? >> But that means in 3 years, right? 2023
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is when you bought this. >> So, I'm like, uh, yeah, something like that.
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>> It's a fifth of the value. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. You can get that fully loaded.
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It's not that crazy. >> M4 Max Studio for that price. >> It's still a crazy computer.
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>> It's a really good computer. How much does How much they cost on eBay?
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>> The thing is just how good Apple Silicon keeps getting. remember I benchmarked
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them M5 Max MacBook Pro 16inch and it's the fastest singlethreaded Mac CPU core
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ever and it's like most of the stuff you do that's the thing like most of the
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stuff I do on a Mac most of the time is not editing it's like all the regular
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stuff it's writing it's the you know whether it's thumbnails or like all the
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everyday web browsing stuff emails that I do and then 5% of the time it's really
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really heavy video editing so all the sacrifices that I made in in daily usability ility to go into video
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editing. It's like those probably should just be two different computers. >> Yeah.
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>> Um and so now, yeah, it's just the new stuff is good at both. >> These vary a lot for your spec. They've
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sold on eBay for as little as $2,500 and as high as $7,800. So, >> I you know, it's funny to complain about
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how little Apple would give me for it, but how much would I pay for that computer now? I You couldn't I would
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never buy it now. >> Why? Yeah, >> cuz you could get a way better computer
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>> for the Yeah, I guess the RAM is in the cuz I don't need the PCI expansion in
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the next studio. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Damn, that's crazy. >> See you.
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>> See you later. >> I'm sure there's somewhere that has like
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a couple of these doing some very niche business stuff that would just go buy this.
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>> Yeah. Yeah. I was hoping I think secretly hoping for like a really sick
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video card that would like decode right burner like an afterburner card. Yeah. And that just never happened. Al also
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like as much as I'm, you know, I love these big 16-in MacBook Pros, they're
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not like thermally perfect, you know what I mean? Like you do benefit from having the the big the big what do you
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call case? Yeah. >> Mac Studio. >> Yeah. >> Or I was going to say the Mac Pro, like
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even though you're not going to get a chipset that's like, you know, you
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probably would still get better speeds on a thermally throttled 16inch M5 Max, but I don't know. There's something nice
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about knowing your pool. I I would say the best case scenario for Abba Silicon today was if they put the highest end
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chip in the Mac Pro and just let us let us cool the crap out of it >> and do whatever we want,
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>> but that's another story. >> RIP Mac Pro. So, if you're still here
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watching this with us, then you probably like tech, so you should subscribe if you're uh if you're hanging around here
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on whatever podcast platform of choice. Anyway, this has been a crazy week for kind of like software development. There
00:22:07
was like a an Axios npm hack earlier this week. Then Axiom Axiom and thank you. We were just reading a we were just
00:22:16
reading Axio. That's uh there was an NPM thing. Whatever. We're not the place for
00:22:20
that. What we are the place for is to laugh at the fact that Anthropic accidentally
00:22:27
leaked their own clawed code to the internet and it is now freely floating around Twitter. But fair
00:22:36
warning, be careful if you go looking for this code because if you get caught with it on your computer or if you're
00:22:41
sharing it or whatever, there's like legal terms of service things where you
00:22:45
could be sued by Anthropic, which uh we just found pretty ironic. >> It's hilarious.
00:22:51
>> You stole our stuff and we stole all the other stuff. >> Yeah. Wait, wait, we steal, not you
00:22:56
guys. >> It's like, no, no, it's not theft if all you do is train a model on it. But also,
00:23:01
don't train your models on our code. That's theft. Yeah, >> by the way,
00:23:06
>> love Claude. Pay for it. Happy with my $20 a month leaving my bank account. But
00:23:10
still, jokes's on you, buddy. This is This is dumb. >> Yeah, I will never feel bad for an AI
00:23:15
company getting anything stolen from them. Sorry. They have all stolen everything and they're just like, "The
00:23:20
people do that. It's >> coming." >> Yeah. All this stuff is like ongoing.
00:23:24
So, by the time you're listening to this, there's probably been way more
00:23:26
developments, but just uh be aware. >> Yeah. But there's some there's some
00:23:30
interesting stuff aside from, you know, getting to laugh and do the little jester dance. Like, uh, there's some
00:23:35
interesting stuff in the leak. For example, um, they were planning this like thing called Buddy, which was like
00:23:39
a seemed like a Tamagotchi style interface for Claude. >> And there were these goofy Do you know
00:23:46
what a distillation attack is? >> Nope. >> So, a distillation attack, you take like
00:23:50
a pipsqueak AI and then you take a big Chad AI and then you take the pipsqueak AI just prompts the Chad AI over and
00:23:56
over and over again like >> learns from it. Yeah. And like pays attention to like how it's doing its
00:24:01
reasoning and then it trains itself on the kind of reasoning that the chat AI is doing. And it's a way you can make
00:24:06
something weak like a 13 par 13 million parameter quen >> learn from something like claude opus 4.6
00:24:16
And there were these goofy anti-distillation measures in there that would like create
00:24:21
fake API calls that like >> that so that it would be it would like poison the training data for like these
00:24:27
distillation attacks. >> Nice. >> There's a lot >> I'm anthropic I'm sorry this happened
00:24:32
but also >> well moving on to the biggest news of the week possibly the year possibly the
00:24:38
entire decade. Did you guys create your email accounts in like 2003? >> Yes.
00:24:43
>> Yes. Long time ago. or Gmail long. >> Well, that's the problem. It wasn't
00:24:46
Gmail. All my cringe mails are on >> AOL.com. >> AOL, Yahoo, Hotmail,
00:24:52
>> you're not still using them, right? >> No. >> Yeah. Okay. Well, Google has just
00:24:57
announced that they are allowing you to change your email address. >> Yes. This is a big deal because I have
00:25:04
five email addresses. >> Oh, boy. >> Yes. Big deal. So, now um you're able to
00:25:09
change your account username once every 12 months on your Google account. Your previous address will still be saved as
00:25:15
an alternate email address and can still be used to sign into your account if you
00:25:18
want. Uh but and you can switch back to your alternate at any time. So if you have like memelord72
00:25:25
atgmail.com, you can now become >> now you can be meme lord 67. >> That's right. See, I thought this in
00:25:32
along those lines where I have a professional email account because I had the foresight when I was a young high
00:25:37
school student to just like use my name. I want to change it now. >> Yeah, I know. I'm a nerd. I want to
00:25:42
change it to meme lord 67. What's the point? >> Yeah, that's true.
00:25:46
>> So, does this work where like you kind of have like a a trail now of usernames
00:25:51
and all of them still work? Like you've had your old username, >> then you change it to the new username,
00:25:56
but you still get emails if people email the old username >> and then a year later you change it
00:26:02
again, >> you still get both old. I don't know how that would work. Okay,
00:26:07
>> Google will kill this program before one year goes by. So, it doesn't matter. Not
00:26:11
sure how that would work, but >> it just uses email alias. So, I would assume it would work.
00:26:14
>> It's like mail forwarding pretty much. >> Start my land grab of all the best email
00:26:18
addresses. Just keep going. >> But you could do that already by just creating new Google accounts.
00:26:23
>> Yeah, but then I had to log into each one of them. >> Yeah, true.
00:26:26
>> So excited for this. >> My two questions are one, aren't most of
00:26:30
the reasons we have bad email addresses because the one we wanted was taken already? So, like by the time I try and
00:26:36
change it to just Andrew [email protected], >> that's probably been taken for 10 years.
00:26:41
I haven't I'll try, but >> I saw a lot of people on online getting
00:26:44
the ones that they thought were taken before, but are no longer taken. >> To be fair, they've probably at this
00:26:49
point purged a lot of >> inactive accounts. I know Yahoo did that a while ago, like they just purged a ton
00:26:55
of accounts that weren't used for x amount of time. Maybe >> my dream is to just get Adam everywhere
00:27:01
because yes, it is my actual name, but it is also such a common name that it is like completely anonymous.
00:27:06
>> Bro, that ain't even going to happen in your dreams. >> Every time the new social media app
00:27:09
comes up and I rush in early beta to get at Adam, there's already someone I guess
00:27:14
internally at the company named Adam. >> Literally the first guy. >> It's the first letter of the alphabet.
00:27:20
>> You're sorry, bro. >> Uh, did you get it on T2? >> I did not get it on T2. It was like Adam
00:27:27
348 or something like that. >> You couldn't get Adam, but Ellis got dad. That's
00:27:32
>> dad is just God. >> Um, >> so I guess he was first. He was before
00:27:36
Adam. >> My other question on this is >> dad. >> There's so many websites that use email
00:27:41
as the username for login. So I'm assuming the old one still will work. >> Okay. This is going to break something
00:27:47
along that pipeline somewhere and it's going to cause major frustration. I was
00:27:52
thinking because I, you know, my original email address that I ever made, which is so cringe. It is my login for
00:27:59
everything because >> I was going to just bully you into saying it, but maybe you shouldn't.
00:28:03
>> Yeah. No, don't. >> I will not say it. >> Andrew, your last name has two L's,
00:28:06
right? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> You have like 30 seconds to get Andrew
00:28:11
Maganelli atgmail.com. >> Wait, it is available right now? >> Yeah, I'm I'm claiming it. Oh,
00:28:19
>> is that real? How can I do this? I'll Okay, I'll show you how to do it.
00:28:22
>> So, go to your Gmail. >> Wait, not live on the podcast, please. >> Andrew, I'm kidding. I think you have to
00:28:26
do it on your phone. >> I mean, I do literally have it up. >> It actually says it's available.
00:28:30
>> Yeah. Yeah, but I'm not I'm not actually going to claim it. Claim it before this
00:28:34
episode. >> Before Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> I'll do it later.
00:28:37
>> Yeah. My full name was taken by a famous marine biologist. >> You use it for logging into everything.
00:28:42
>> I don't remember what I was going to say. I totally lost my train of thought.
00:28:45
>> Oh, yeah. >> Okay. Speaking of losing the train of thought, nothing is gonna make glasses.
00:28:52
What? This is a >> famous nothing leaker Mark German wrote an article about nothing
00:29:00
potentially working on smart glasses for 2027. >> We're like losing the train of plot. Am
00:29:04
I right? >> Yeah. Everybody is working on glasses allegedly. Uh >> hey, I'll I'll go real quick into this.
00:29:11
There's not a ton of information. They apparently will have built-in cameras,
00:29:14
microphones, and speakers. No display AI features would be offloaded to your smartphone in the cloud. Essentially
00:29:19
meta ray bands. >> Yep. Yeah. But not meta. So there's that. >> Yeah. Like they don't need they don't
00:29:25
need glasses. Okay. I I I mean they don't need cameras cuz I prompt an AI once every two days minimum. Okay. I'm a
00:29:33
heavy AI user. Never once have I given it a prompt that required a photograph. Sure. Sometimes I take screenshots and
00:29:41
include that in my prompt. >> You've never uploaded a photo? >> Never. I've uploaded screenshots. I've
00:29:46
uploaded screenshots of my computer screen, but never once have I ever needed an AI that the input needed a
00:29:52
photo. And I'm sorry, the only reason these stupid glasses have cameras is because they know they're going to sell
00:29:57
all the data they illegally scrape for. >> While that is true, I think it might
00:30:01
only be you that has never uploaded a photo to one of these. >> Also, guys, you can just take pictures
00:30:06
and videos without AI needing to send it to AI. I want these because there's so
00:30:10
many times >> your glasses. You can do it with your phone. if I'm holding Lane with two
00:30:15
hands. >> Yeah. So, there's a lot of >> I will just >> I will remind you that the number one
00:30:21
use case of the Meta Ray-B bands for most people is first person hands-free video. It's a thousand% what most people
00:30:27
buy those glasses for. >> Yeah, they probably don't use the AI most of the time.
00:30:31
>> There there's like always going to be the argument of I can do this with my
00:30:34
phone because most stuff that these tiny computers can do, you have a computer in
00:30:38
your pocket that can do all of that already. But there's this race for like putting the thing on your face because
00:30:44
kind of like AI, a lot of them believe that this is the next frontier of computing or whatever. And if the
00:30:48
smartphone's going to die and it's going to be glasses next, well, I better get
00:30:50
in now. So, they're all they're all trying it. They're all getting in
00:30:53
something on the ground floor to have a firstg glasses product in the next year.
00:30:57
>> Uh, what will Nothing's advantage be? Seems like they're going to I mean, they
00:31:01
do design, so they're going to probably have some fun with design. >> Do you think Google will announce the
00:31:06
Gemini glasses at IO this year? like official. >> I think that would feel about right
00:31:10
because we've heard about this like being worked on for a while and we've
00:31:13
seen it >> had demos at IO last year. >> I think they're very useful. I think the
00:31:17
the feature that I got the most of a kick out of was like coming out of the subway or coming off of like like
00:31:22
getting out of a taxi and having maps navigation like look through the camera and figure out where you're oriented and
00:31:27
put an arrow where you're supposed to be going right away. That's super useful.
00:31:32
And I feel like the Google >> like Google Glass did this in 2012. Well, Google Glass would not orient it
00:31:38
on the display in front of me. It would show me like what street I should be looking for and then I'd look for the
00:31:44
street sign. Not that that's difficult, but it's just the magic of I pop out and
00:31:48
it's like go this way. >> Yeah. >> Pretty sweet. So, like they're going to
00:31:52
all try to come up with their own killer features and their own reasons for why you should buy their version.
00:31:57
>> Am I shocked that nothing's making this? No. Uh they also are the same ones that
00:32:01
were like we don't have to have a flagship phone every year just because everyone's doing it.
00:32:06
>> But they got to make glasses though. >> Yeah. Carl P is also a big big AI guy.
00:32:10
So >> yeah, but I genuinely believe that if they release these glasses without any
00:32:15
internet connection and just the ability to record with glasses, they will sell just as many.
00:32:20
>> That's true. >> I agree. >> I agree with that. >> I am essentially excited for these
00:32:24
because one, I think nothing does make cool looking products. I think these might look pretty cool.
00:32:29
>> They look dorky. >> I think these are going to be cheaper because it's nothing, which is like then
00:32:35
I wouldn't feel bad paying that money because I would just be wearing them as
00:32:38
sunglasses. I'm not the I don't feel like wearing fake lenses and fake glasses like indoors for everything. So,
00:32:43
I would just buy these as sunglasses. >> And honestly, the AI is probably going
00:32:47
to suck cuz it's nothing. So, I don't care. I just want to take some videos
00:32:51
with lane sometimes, like first person videos where I can use both my hands and like this will probably be cheaper. And
00:32:58
also, I'll still give Nothing a ton of credit for this. >> Both their new phones has a red
00:33:03
recording light on it. So hopefully these glasses will have an actual real recording light so people can tell when
00:33:08
you're recording on glasses. >> It would be so funny. And it wouldn't
00:33:12
also not surprise me one bit. We're like, I think appropriately assigning a lot of the attributes of nothing's
00:33:18
current phones to what we think these glasses will have. >> And like the headphones, too. Did you
00:33:22
like the headphone design? I'm trying to remember. >> So, I I No, I like the earbud design.
00:33:26
>> The earbud design. >> The headphone design. >> So, like >> it's fine.
00:33:29
>> Most people with glasses on your face, I'm guessing here, but they kind of want
00:33:33
them to sort of fade away and just like look like glasses and not draw too much attention.
00:33:37
>> No, I want glyphs on my >> I was like cuz there's other people who
00:33:41
would like you could get the transparent glasses. is you can have the computer showing and the lights and all this
00:33:45
stuff. >> Those were the best Meta Ray-B bands. The clear ones were the best looking
00:33:48
Meta Ray. >> They were the most hype. >> I think they were the coolest.
00:33:52
>> Look, what I was just about to say is I all you people that bought those limited
00:33:55
edition clear ones. I know you think they look cool. They really >> sick. >> They look They're It depends on where
00:34:01
you are. It's very specific to where you are. If you are walking around a place
00:34:05
where lots of other people have met Ray-B bands, then it's cool to have the one that looks a little different.
00:34:11
>> Sure. On Meta's campus. on Meta's campus mostly is where I was like experiencing
00:34:15
this. But if you're just kind of like out around in a normal place, having the
00:34:19
computer on your glasses look, computer on your face look is not as uh appreciated sometimes.
00:34:26
>> It was like the same thing with Google Glass. like Google Glass when I was
00:34:29
testing them as a student in in car in Hoboken, New Jersey. I remember walking around like Hobok and wearing Google
00:34:36
Glass feeling unbelievably self-conscious cuz like I I feel everyone looking at me. I'm wearing a
00:34:42
computer on my face, but like you guys don't know. Like I got the directions up
00:34:46
here. Like I got the notifications up here. >> It's like the meme of the guy in the
00:34:50
corner of the party. They don't know I have a computer on my face. Yeah, it was
00:34:53
such an isolating like weirdly antisocial thing. >> That's what I'm looking for.
00:34:59
>> But now this is going to be the thing where like if glasses blow up and
00:35:03
everyone has glasses, then the design actually becomes a part of like why you might pick one over the other.
00:35:07
>> If I'm just always Well, no, I'll look like a creep if it's just I was
00:35:10
recording. But if you're recording, no one's going to want to come up and talk
00:35:12
to me. >> The design is very important. That's why Google is partnering with like Gentle
00:35:16
Monster, you know, like Meta did Rayban there. It's going to be the, you know,
00:35:20
the it's going to be the car phone collab of of the glasses world. >> Yeah. And I you you're putting a
00:35:27
computer on their face. Like you need it. I think everyone has to partner with some existing like we make glasses
00:35:33
people want to buy company because >> I just like Google Google learned from
00:35:37
this from Glass already. They had a compelling product that was not only 15 years too early, but nobody wants to
00:35:42
wear an obvious computer on your face. Yeah. So, if you just have it in glasses and it just looks like regular glasses,
00:35:48
you're already at the at the peak of what people want. >> Yeah. >> So, we'll see some of that.
00:35:53
>> Dibs on review unit. >> Maybe I should go clear. I don't >> think Yeah. iOS. Uh what? June.
00:36:00
>> It's June. >> No, sorry. It's May 17th. >> I'm expecting Android, Gemini, and AI
00:36:08
glasses. It's mostly just AI. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But I mean they showed off the
00:36:13
glasses early last year at IO so I feel like they got to be ready to launch them, right?
00:36:20
>> Um not necessarily. >> I mean sometimes they just show stuff off.
00:36:24
>> I mean Meta is like eating everybody's lunch right now. They they they're like
00:36:27
three years ahead of everybody else. >> It was funny. Meta showed off the stuff
00:36:30
they were working on and then suddenly it was you could buy it which was crazy. >> Yeah.
00:36:34
>> So >> yeah, we'll see. >> All right. >> Speaking of Google, quick thing. Uh, we
00:36:39
did see some Pixel 11 leak renders start to pop out and shocker, a lot of similarities to the Pixel 10. Like a
00:36:48
lot. >> No way. >> Matter of fact, I saw it. I saw it on my timeline and I thought, "Oh, another
00:36:54
Pixel 10." >> That's what it looks like. Same color. >> I honestly just saw thinner bezels and
00:36:59
more RAM. That's all I saw as like expected new things. >> What I saw, so it's from Onaks, the CAD
00:37:06
drawings that are then rendered. Um, it does seem like maybe thinner bezels. It also will be 0.1 millimeter thinner than
00:37:12
the Pixel 10, but don't get too excited because the Pixel 9 was already 0.1 millimeter. This is the same dimension
00:37:18
as the Pixel 9, just Pixel 10 had to maybe be a little thicker because of the battery or the magnets.
00:37:24
>> 0.1 m. >> Oh my god. >> Some of this stuff, and this is really
00:37:27
early and not confirmed, >> but I'm still seeing people say this is going to be 128 GB storage. And
00:37:35
>> Google, I promise you, if it comes out 128 gig base storage, same price, I will
00:37:41
do everything in my power to convince Marquez to give this bust of the year because it deserves it. I tried real
00:37:47
hard last time, but 16e came out. >> Yeah, I will lose my >> I think if this is the same
00:37:53
>> if cuz I'm again assigning what would happen in the past to the future. I
00:37:57
think if tensor G6 is again underwhelming and not much of a you know big improvement from G5 and it's the
00:38:05
same price and it's the same cameras and it's the same design, same dimensions,
00:38:08
same features and same battery and same 128 gigs of storage. Uh I think that takes the front for bust of the year so
00:38:18
far. Like what worst deal has come out so far? >> Something worse will happen. I guarantee
00:38:22
that. >> I'm pretty sure it's only April. It's like we got plenty of time. A lot of
00:38:25
time, >> but that would be incredibly disappointing, I would say. >> Um, I will say, and this is just on the
00:38:29
renders, so nobody really knows, but people are saying that it doesn't seem like there's a thermometer sensor on it
00:38:34
anymore. >> Oh, no. >> So, you know, if you were cooking your meat with your Pixel,
00:38:41
>> then uh RIP to you. Guess you can't do that anymore. >> Yeah.
00:38:45
>> I'm surprised it's not already gone. >> Crazy. >> I don't want to go. I don't know if it's
00:38:50
actually be 128 gig base, but if it is, >> we'll see. We'll give him a chance.
00:38:54
We'll give him a chance. >> If Apple is really the like the budget or not budget, not budget. I did not say
00:39:00
budget. Price price conscious big player in the US in 2026, we've lost the plot.
00:39:06
>> Hey, watch SE 17 Neo iPad. >> Even just base 17 was great. >> Base 17. Yeah, sure. Hey,
00:39:15
>> Andrew. Apple shell over here. That's crazy. >> Well, you know what's you know what's
00:39:20
the opposite of changing a lot every time? You know what's super consistent?
00:39:24
>> The thing we do every single time. >> Trivia. >> It's consistent that we always get it
00:39:28
wrong. >> Yes, of course. >> When we got to do an extravaganza soon,
00:39:32
by the way. >> Soon. Soon. We had a we had a conversation about extravaganza
00:39:37
yesterday. >> Um >> it's exciting. >> But it probably we probably won't see an
00:39:42
extravaganza till June. That's when I think it makes the most sense. So you'll
00:39:46
have many more weeks to stock up on points. >> That's what Australia Manifesto told me.
00:39:50
And then it didn't happen till a year later. I'm going to start studying.
00:39:52
>> There will be there will be another trivia extravaganza in 2026. >> It will return in Avengers.
00:39:58
>> Yeah. But we are we are reaching the point where it's getting really hard to
00:40:03
come up with extravaganza questions cuz we've done a few too many of them. >> No.
00:40:09
>> But guys, >> yes, >> we just talked about yet another pixel
00:40:14
leak. Seems like pixels leak more than my faucet. Yeah, I was going to say I don't
00:40:22
know anything that's notorious for leaking other than pixels, frankly. >> Claude code.
00:40:26
>> Um, sitting right in front of me. But, but, but there was an iPhone that didn't just
00:40:37
leak, leaked so badly that Gizmodo was able to do a full tearown because they found it left at a bar.
00:40:45
>> Yeah, we know this. >> Which iPhone was it? >> Simple. I remember this.
00:40:50
>> Simple questions deserve simple points. >> There were so many >> other stories that spiraled out of this
00:40:56
story. This is like an all time. >> Steve Jobs called this man. >> Like we'll never we're never going to
00:41:02
get another leak story like this. >> I don't think so. I think this is the
00:41:05
the penultimate. >> Yeah. This is what everyone who does leaks now dreams of.
00:41:10
>> Yeah. >> The engineer that leaked that phone, he he vanished in sort of just like a
00:41:18
Yeah. >> Also, I don't even know if leakers dream of it cuz didn't they sue the hell out
00:41:22
of the guy who took it from the bar? >> A lot. Yeah, they definitely sued it.
00:41:27
>> Uh because it was stolen property. They the police got involved. There's a whole
00:41:30
thing. >> Those of you who know the story already know which phone it was.
00:41:33
>> If you don't, you're going to find out. >> I don't know what it was. I
00:41:37
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00:41:40
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00:42:56
welcome back. We've got to settle something here. Uh, last week on the pod, I mentioned, and it may or may not
00:43:02
have been the title, that Flighty was a top five app of all time. Unbelievably useful, super good. If you use it, you
00:43:08
know, and turned out to be kind of a hot take. There's a lot of people who like a
00:43:12
lot of other apps. I decided it would be fun if we all, actually, Andrew decided
00:43:15
this. If we all brought our top five apps to the table, I want to see if you're really going to
00:43:20
put it in your top five apps when we make you list your top five. Yeah, I actually I actually thought about it now
00:43:25
for a while. I went through both I went through both my iPhone and my Android phone and I did I really thought about
00:43:29
this and I've got my top five apps and my honorable mentions. >> If it's not in the top five flight is
00:43:34
going to be really sad >> cuz they tweeted about it last week. >> Really good point. Um I can start it off
00:43:41
if you want. >> We all I asked everyone to do this. So that's what we're going to do. We're all
00:43:45
going to do our top five. >> So there's one question I had about this cuz you you specified mobile apps, not
00:43:50
desktop apps. Right. >> Does that include tablet apps? >> That Yes, cuz that alters my my list.
00:44:00
>> My question on desktop apps is is that not just software, you know? I guess
00:44:04
it's just like but there's so many like web apps. >> I hear app. I think
00:44:08
>> top five progressive web apps of all time. >> I also think there's not that many good
00:44:13
apps. >> The spirit of it in my eyes is really good. >> Okay, then I'm going to do only I'm
00:44:17
going to do only phone. So no staff, no Procreate. Yeah, I was. >> Okay. Yeah, let's go just mobile phone.
00:44:23
>> Okay. >> Okay. Top five mobile phone apps. I have my top five. I'm going to give my
00:44:27
honorable mentions first that just barely missed my top five. >> Uh Copilot finance app. There's a lot of
00:44:34
there's a lot of apps like it. Not not Microsoft C-Pilot. >> Damn it. >> Uh there's a lot of apps like it, but
00:44:40
it's just the it's the best one. >> What is it? >> It's uh it helps you you log into your
00:44:44
accounts, your bank accounts. You can see all of your transactions and sort sort through things, budget through
00:44:48
things, keep keep an eye on it. There's lots of apps like it, but this is one of
00:44:52
the best ones. In my opinion, it's the best subscription. >> Uh I think there's a subscription tier.
00:44:57
I don't want to commit. Let me see. >> Uh there is a subscription tier. I pay
00:45:01
for it. It's um Is it worth it? >> It's $9. It was worth it. >> $9.
00:45:06
>> Mine broke recently and I've been going back and forth with their support for
00:45:09
about 3 months trying to get it fixed and they just sort of were like, >> "Yeah, it doesn't work." And I was just
00:45:15
sort of like, >> "Neither does my credit card. It's not my credit card. It's It's stopped
00:45:20
syncing with my Venmo. >> And so my my Venmo transactions don't show up in my co-pilot anymore, which is
00:45:26
like not like I can still keep track of my >> finances. But it's really annoying that
00:45:30
it worked for years, stopped working, and they're just sort of like, "No, it's
00:45:34
a backend issue. We just can't fix it." >> This that's one of those things where
00:45:36
like if the whole point of the app is to do everything and then it loses one of them, it
00:45:42
>> I will say I'm still a big fan of Copilot. It's just >> the Microsoft in finance. There is a lot
00:45:48
of extra work in the backend sync stuff. I happen to know like people who work for
00:45:53
these companies and it is a lot of work. So yes, stuff does periodically break with it, but it is super useful to me.
00:45:58
So it's in my honorable mentions. >> Athletic also makes my honorable mentions. It essentially takes all of
00:46:04
the data my Apple Watch is collecting and formats them and displays them in in different ways. Kind of like Whoop. like
00:46:11
it shows me a lot of the same scores and like calculates like how much exertion I
00:46:15
can do today, when I should work out, all these other things, how much sleep is factoring in. Uh, really useful for
00:46:20
anyone who's an athlete and wants to keep track of a whole bunch of stuff. >> $2 a month versus $239 a month.
00:46:26
>> Yeah, this is going to be a theme. A lot of these are subscriptions. >> I'm going to yell about Whoop after the
00:46:29
break. >> $239 a month. No, >> sorry. A year. >> Oh, thank God.
00:46:33
>> Yeah, that's still Wait, >> I'll talk. Trust me, I'm going to yell
00:46:37
about it at the end of this episode. I have a whole Whoop section. Okay. Yeah. So, Athletic's good. It's also iPhone
00:46:41
only like co-pilot. Um, >> Blip. Blip. Uh, I discovered this year >> already.
00:46:48
>> It's in my honorable mentions. We've been airdropping things to each other in
00:46:52
the studio for so long and it's kind of a running joke of of how maybe it's just
00:46:55
the environment we're in. Like, there's like 20 AirDrop devices within range of
00:46:59
any one of these. So, you open AirDrop and suddenly things start popping up and you try to click one and it moves and
00:47:04
you actually get the one you want and then it doesn't work or it declines even
00:47:08
though they never saw the notification. Airdrop is just it's supposed to be great, but it's kind of fidgety in the
00:47:13
studio. And Blip is just it's money every single time. File transfer app. Super useful. So, Blips, honorable
00:47:18
mention. >> Incredible. >> Geekbench. Uh, I I use it enough and it's been good for long enough. I'm on
00:47:24
Geekbench 6. I paid for Geekbench Pro. I regularly use Geekbench in videos. You guys are familiar with this already.
00:47:30
Geekbench honorable mention. Uh, YouTube. >> Where? >> YouTube. >> My last honorable mention.
00:47:36
>> Last honorable mention. >> Oh, honorable mention. Wait, so you're
00:47:38
going to do like 10 apps? >> These are just ones that are close and I thought, you know, they have like slight
00:47:42
downsides, didn't make it, but YouTube is is obviously great. >> Uh, my top five
00:47:48
in no particular order. >> What? No, it it literally has to be in an order.
00:47:53
>> It's not in order. >> This has to be in order. >> I can't put these in order.
00:47:55
>> Yes, you can. >> Does that mean start at five and go up to one? >> I can try, but I might I might regret my
00:48:00
top five. All right, number five. >> Don't edit that. Oh Um, okay. Number five, Relay for Reddit,
00:48:12
>> dude. >> It's an Android app. >> Yeah. >> Uh, it's the best Android Reddit app by
00:48:19
a mile. >> It's so good. >> It's awesome. It has a paid tier. It's
00:48:23
worth it. If you use Reddit, if you sort through things, it's just it's super
00:48:27
useful. It's a no question top five Android app ever. And it's in my top
00:48:30
five. >> Ways. Ways is kind of not the prettiest app, >> but it is one of the most functional.
00:48:37
It's crowdsourced. It has all of your potholes and all of your closed roads and all of your routing and everything.
00:48:43
>> Every most of the reason people want CarPlay is so they could put ways instead of Google Maps on their car
00:48:49
screen. >> Ways is goed. >> Wait, wait. I almost put Google Maps in.
00:48:55
>> Google Maps has everything from ways now. It's like all officially in it
00:48:59
>> almost. >> What doesn't it have? a lot of the smaller like granular like what it's
00:49:04
alerting you about things like Google will say things like I don't think it does potholes
00:49:09
>> there's like object and road >> it does object on road it does
00:49:12
>> I'm not 100% sure about potholes but I would assume it comes in >> I've never been in Google map to be fair
00:49:16
I haven't used maps as much lately but fog bad weather flooding on the road >> visibility closed roads you know the one
00:49:24
I don't notice which I'm fine with is the like vehicle stopped on side of road
00:49:28
which on ways is every three miles it feels like. And >> it does get annoying and I wish I could
00:49:34
be even more granular with like what it notifies me about, but I still think ways is goated.
00:49:38
>> Dude, if a vehicle stopped on your shoulder, you probably got to go to the
00:49:40
hospital. >> Jesus Christ. >> Wait, quick question about these cuz I
00:49:44
was debating using Google Maps in my top five as well, but that's almost like a
00:49:47
utility to me at this point. Does that count? >> If the app is good enough, I think you
00:49:51
should count it. >> It's kind of like YouTube. >> Um, number three, Flighty. Flighty. It's
00:49:58
We talked about it last week. If you fly enough, flighty is unquest. It's like a
00:50:03
ne it's almost a utility. >> Even if you don't fly enough, like I just like looking back at passport and
00:50:08
looking at the different places and trips and stuff. >> Yeah, the rewind the whole thing.
00:50:12
>> I need someone to convince me that it's worth it. >> Flighty.
00:50:15
>> Yeah. >> Oh my god. Next time you fly, >> I try get on a trial. You could probably
00:50:19
get like a trial version of it. >> I used the trial and I was like, >> did it not blow your mind?
00:50:23
>> This. But I don't >> I mean it's a great >> it's great looking. You're going to be
00:50:28
on a flight that gets delayed and you know from Flighty 45 minutes before everyone sitting at the gate knows and
00:50:33
you get to rebook your flight before everyone else does >> and you're going to go, "Wow, I'm glad I
00:50:37
had FL." >> Are you speaking from experience? >> Yes. >> Literally, that's happened to me.
00:50:41
>> All right. >> All right. Two more. Um, number two, >> tick tick.
00:50:48
>> My task. >> Saw that one coming. >> You know, there's a lot of task apps
00:50:50
like this. There's a lot of planning apps. There's a lot of calendar apps.
00:50:53
This is just the one I keep coming back to and I I do constantly try to switch to other ones. Super list almost made my
00:51:00
uh my honorable mentions, >> but Tick Tick is just that goat. It's just that goat. So, I'm putting that in
00:51:06
my top five. Number one, Carrot Weather. >> Number one. I and I I'm not like I'm not
00:51:13
locking in the order of my top five, but Carrot Weather is by such a margin my most often used weather app that it's
00:51:21
not even it's not even really close. >> Yeah. >> Um it has essentially stolen the layout
00:51:27
from Dark Sky, which no one else has really cloned. I don't know if it's like
00:51:31
not allowed to clone it or if they're just the only ones bold enough to do it,
00:51:33
but they've one to one cloned the layout from Dark Sky, which is incredibly intuitive. The data is super accurate.
00:51:38
The radar is really good. A lot of these apps are really good. Even then the radar sucks has good radar, good
00:51:43
multiple sources. It's just a default app on my phone. It's also unfortunately
00:51:48
iPhone only. But that's my top five. It's a bunch of iPhone apps and one
00:51:51
Android app. Top five apps of all time. Tear my list apart. Anybody have any objections?
00:51:56
>> All right. >> No YouTube. No YouTube Studio. >> YouTube is honorable me.
00:52:00
>> YouTube honorable mention. Honorable mention. >> YouTube Studios pretty good. It's not It
00:52:05
is It kind of does feel like utility to me, but yeah, it is. It's good, but it's
00:52:08
not like >> amazing. I don't know. It's fine. It does what I want it to. I never really I
00:52:14
I actually don't like editing descriptions and metadata in the Studio app because I've had to truncate my
00:52:19
input before. So, I'll have a long description and then I'll edit it from
00:52:22
the app and I'll hit submit >> and then I'll view it on the desktop and
00:52:26
it cuts off like after however many characters. >> So, I've had issues with the app before.
00:52:31
>> Yeah. There's also some things you can only do in the YouTube Studio app on
00:52:34
your phone. Like you don't you can only add thumbnails to shorts in the YouTube
00:52:38
Studio app, right? >> No, I can only do that in the YouTube app. >> The YouTube app.
00:52:41
>> The YouTube Studio app. I can't change the thumbnail, but when I go into the
00:52:44
YouTube app and go into my videos and then go to edit, that's where I can change the thumbnail of a short. Isn't
00:52:48
that weird? >> You think they have for Google? >> Oh, I guess they do. I swear it
00:52:52
sometimes feels like YouTube doesn't have that many actual creators on their
00:52:55
platform because the amount of things that are just broken for >> Yeah. Well, they have different teams
00:53:01
for YouTube Studio and YouTube. >> Where's the chapters? >> Probably different buildings. Yeah,
00:53:04
probably chapters. >> I know you're out. I know there's creators out there. We know one of them
00:53:09
very well, but like >> Yeah, if they add chapters, I'd add this to my >> If you
00:53:15
>> justice for chapters UI. >> Yeah, actually just add a UI for chapters, please.
00:53:20
>> Yeah, >> like a real one. >> Yeah. >> Like why why wouldn't you do that? Yeah,
00:53:24
I I I found out recently that it really really helps to add chapters because then Google search can index the
00:53:31
chapters so that when you some someone asks a question on Google search, it'll
00:53:35
bring you to the exact spot because it knows what the chapter was about. >> Huge.
00:53:39
>> It's helpful. And yet you still have to just put timestamps in the description
00:53:43
and then it breaks 85% of the time. >> Talk about breaks a lot. >> We do it every week.
00:53:48
>> Every week on this podcast. >> Every week. >> And what is the number one tweak getting
00:53:52
sent to us? chapters. Why are there no chapters? >> Our comment section backs us up now at
00:53:57
least. Usually now it's like >> this is great. Chapters working as of time.
00:54:02
>> If if you see somebody and they're complaining about us not having chapters, please tell them what's going
00:54:08
on. Please inform them, educate them. >> So there it is. That's my list.
00:54:12
>> Okay. I have two honorable mentions. >> Number one of the honorable mentions,
00:54:17
Google Opinion Rewards. >> Oh, okay. That's a good one. a deep cut >> all time. Deep cut. That's really
00:54:25
awesome. >> Um, if you don't know what Google Penny Rewards is, it's been around since like
00:54:29
2010. It's freaking amazing. It came out very soon after Android came out. Um, it
00:54:35
will periodically based on your search data, based on other things, location data, whatever, send you a little
00:54:42
survey. And it's usually one to sometimes it can be up to like 12 questions. Weirdly enough, it so it pays
00:54:48
you money, which is cool. Uh, weirdly enough, it pays you based on the amount of questions you answered. So, if you
00:54:53
just lie to it, it'll keep giving you more questions. Don't do that. >> I don't do that. Um, but the only app
00:55:00
that I have a subscription for on my phone that isn't part of like a family bundle or something is the Pokemon
00:55:07
Trading Card Game app. Um, and Google Pen Rewards pays for my subscription for that, which is pretty awesome.
00:55:14
>> That's the only app you have a subscription for? >> Uh, that isn't part of like a family
00:55:18
plan. Oh, >> so like I have a Google family plan, >> YouTube >> that has YouTube premium in it.
00:55:23
>> Spotify >> I don't I don't have Spotify YouTube music which is part of the family plan.
00:55:28
And then I have the Apple one family plan which also comes with Apple Music that kind of stuff but I don't we talked
00:55:34
about this in the car at Southby or something. I only have like one subscription that isn't part of other
00:55:42
stuff. Yeah, I'm I'm terrified of subscriptions. Anyway, honorable mention. If you're not using Go Open
00:55:48
Rewards, you should be using it because it gives you at least one like every couple of days. Sometimes it gives you
00:55:53
like five. Yeah, most people forgot it was still around. >> Other thing, if you have multiple
00:55:58
phones, >> you can set it up on the same account with multiple phones and it'll serve you
00:56:04
like multiple. It's crazy. I mean, I don't do that. >> Bitcoin farming.
00:56:09
>> I know. I don't do that. But anyway, it's it's great. Okay, honorable mention
00:56:13
number two. Mhm. >> Telegram. >> I know. Okay. The stickers and the the
00:56:20
emoji are all animated. It's so awesome. It's so amazing. Telegram is crossplatform. It's got a desktop app.
00:56:28
It's got a >> bots anywhere. >> It's amazing. Well, I I pay Oh, I Oh,
00:56:35
>> we didn't even make it one app further. >> No, I realize I do have another
00:56:39
subscription. It's Telegram Premium. >> Wow. cuz it's like $20 a year, but it
00:56:42
completely removes the porn apps, porn bots. >> It makes it usable basically.
00:56:46
>> Yeah. It makes it usable because there is a feature in Telegram Premium where
00:56:51
you can charge people to message you if they're not in your contacts already.
00:56:55
>> Wow. >> Yeah. So, it's like you can spam me, but you got to pay.
00:56:59
>> Wow. >> You know, which is pretty cool. >> No one has ever paid. Uh, okay. Now,
00:57:04
we're on to the actual apps. And this might be a a top five like in order of
00:57:11
action. >> You made me You made me pick a five. >> I didn't. Andrew did. Okay.
00:57:14
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's right. >> Number five. Libby. >> I had that on mine, too.
00:57:20
>> You can use it. >> No, I took it off. It's fine. >> Uh Libby is great. It is a library app.
00:57:24
It's so good in New York City. It's amazing because we have three public
00:57:27
libraries and you can get a library card for all three of them. And Libby will let you rent ebooks. It will let you
00:57:35
rent audiobooks. Um, it just has so many resources. I think you might get like a
00:57:40
free New York Times subscription if you part of the Brooklyn Public Library or something. It's pretty awesome. So, it's
00:57:45
a great app and I can't believe it's free. Very cool. Number four, Relay for
00:57:50
Reddit. Uh, also I used Relay for so so so long and eventually they did go subscription because of the Reddit
00:57:58
apocalypse. Yep. Um, my honorable mention for Reddit would be obviously Christian Saligap, Apollo,
00:58:06
>> rest in pieces. Uh, number three, Nova Launcher. >> Oh, >> yeah.
00:58:11
>> Yeah, that is an app. >> Yeah, I think uh >> RIP. >> I was looking at cuz I was just trying
00:58:17
to rack my brain this morning for like what are the most popular apps, you know, Nova Launcher is one of the most
00:58:23
downloaded apps of all time >> with over 5 million downloads. I could see that because of all time there was
00:58:28
such a long period of like the last 15 years where everyone who didn't have a
00:58:33
Google phone but wanted a better launcher like all the TouchWiz phones that's the first thing I installed on
00:58:38
all those phones. >> Yeah, totally. >> And a lot of people did the same thing.
00:58:41
>> Totally so good. Uh number two, Viewfinder Preview. This is an app that
00:58:46
I use to frame my film photos for when my cameras don't have viewfinders, >> uh like my 3D printed cameras. It's
00:58:54
really, really good. You can do various different aspect ratios. You can test things. You can take sample pictures
00:59:00
with it. It's super basic, but I use it literally every week and I've been using
00:59:05
it every week for like six years. So, I think it's worth being in my top five.
00:59:09
>> Number one for me, Pocketcasts. I think uh I think PocketCast is probably the greatest app ever made.
00:59:16
>> Wow. >> It's really really old. >> Multiplatform. >> It's multiplatform. It has a web app. Uh
00:59:22
it has been passed around. owned. It used to be owned by NPR for a while. Now it's owned by uh what are they called?
00:59:29
The people that do make work automatic. Uh but it is a really insanely good UI. >> You don't pay for plus.
00:59:37
>> So the thing about it and No, I don't. >> I bought it for $7 in 201
00:59:45
12 or whenever cuz they had a one time cuz subscriptions were not very popular back then. Mhm.
00:59:50
>> So, I bought it for $7 and then when I switched to subscription, anyone who had
00:59:53
bought it for $7 got the pro version for free for life. >> Nice. >> So, I'm grandfathered in. So, I actually
00:59:59
don't know what the free version of Pocketcast is like. So, I'm sorry if it
01:00:04
sucks, >> but uh I just think it's just >> it's pretty good. You just can't do like
01:00:08
folders. >> Insanely good podcast app. >> Why would you need that? >> That's the best. That's a good app
01:00:14
though is when like the subscription thing is really for a power user, but the free version gives you like 90% of
01:00:20
what it is already. >> Totally. >> That's a good app. >> So, not as exciting as Marquez's weather
01:00:25
apps, but agreed. Yeah. >> What do you got, Andrew? >> All right, let's go. Number five. No
01:00:32
honorable mentions here. If it is not in this list, it's a dog water app. Um,
01:00:36
>> wow. >> Number five, Taco Bell. >> Oh my. >> What? >> Okay. I don't actually use it that much.
01:00:43
>> Is that good? >> The app is actually pretty solid. >> You're not jaded by the restaurant.
01:00:47
>> I usually I'm totally jaded by the restaurant. But >> why are you jaded by the restaurant?
01:00:52
>> Or I'm uh shilling for the restaurant. I don't know. Like I like this app because
01:00:56
of the restaurant, >> of course. >> But Taco Bell has the most times that I
01:01:00
want to add things onto >> like different items, and I am way too embarrassed to say that in the
01:01:06
drive-thru. Therefore, this is the app that I use out of all of them. I'm a plus potatoes plus jalapenos plus this
01:01:13
minus that whatever. I ain't saying all that in the drive-thru because there's
01:01:16
no way it gets it right app. Dude, it's it's the only fast food app that works
01:01:22
100% of the time. There's no upsell pop out. Like all other fast food restaurants, their apps are like so
01:01:29
brutally >> just unusable. And I mean I say unusable from like the I'm spoiled like it just
01:01:35
things are kind of slow and choppy but still it's like >> or they send you like 8,000 push
01:01:40
notifications every single day. >> They all do. I'm sure Taco Bells does.
01:01:43
It sends you notifications. >> I disable notifications on every single app that I did that too.
01:01:48
>> The McDonald's app, dude. Like a fifth of the time it'll just only show you the
01:01:53
breakfast menu and it's not breakfast time so you just can't order it. And
01:01:57
it's like this should be the easiest thing to figure out as an what time is it not breakfast. McDonald's only do
01:02:04
breakfast between certain times. >> I don't know. I'm sorry. You really
01:02:07
struck a cord here. >> No. No. Well, Taco Bells has got to be easy because there's only essentially
01:02:11
seven ingredients on the entire menu and >> it's just a different version of that.
01:02:16
>> Can we talk about the Popeyes thing on the podcast? Probably. >> No. Don't. No. We don't want people to
01:02:20
know about those. >> All right. Never mind. >> I have no idea what they're talking
01:02:23
about, but that's okay. Number four. I don't use, but I'm gonna hype it up
01:02:28
anyways. >> Interesting. >> Old school Runescape app. This is a game
01:02:32
that has been around for so long that is the most simple web browser game from like 2007. They relaunched it years ago.
01:02:41
They're still updating this game. It has a huge user base and because it's so
01:02:45
simple, it makes sense on an iPad or a phone. The other thing about it is it is the most grind inensive, time consuming,
01:02:54
afkable like game possible that being able to go on your computer and do different like
01:03:02
boss battles or quests or stuff that are more intensive and then just wood cut to
01:03:06
99 on your phone without paying attention is perfect. Now you don't have to >> like having an extra job. It basically
01:03:12
is, but this lets Runescape people go outside because now you can still grind XP and touch this, touch grass. Yeah,
01:03:21
>> very important. >> Although I was also looking this has like 5 million plus downloads on the
01:03:26
Play Store. >> Oh, >> great rating except apparently like within the last month is the login's
01:03:31
completely broken on Android. So, >> uh, Jagex, if you're listening, fix
01:03:36
that. For the homies out there, I still don't even play the game. I just watch a
01:03:40
lot of content about it. But >> the the app seems awesome. Number three, Blip. Blip has changed everything we've
01:03:46
done here. The amount of times I've had to pull stuff off of phones to then send
01:03:51
to Marquez's Mac Pro to be like in a video or something. Blip has helped that
01:03:57
so much. >> Everyone's so hyped on Blip, but nobody's ever blipped me anything. So,
01:04:00
why is this better than AirDrop again? Can you explain? >> Cross platform.
01:04:04
>> Cross platform. >> Yeah, but different works every time. >> You can blip someone something from
01:04:08
across the country. >> Oh, really? It's all it's not Wi-Fi dependent. It's just you just send it.
01:04:14
>> It checks to see if you're on the same network as someone and if you are, it
01:04:18
just does like local, you know, but if you're not, it goes P2P over the internet.
01:04:24
>> So, it's not it's just dependent on your actual connections. Like you don't like
01:04:28
it's not like, oh, Dropbox is a really slow server, so I'm No, it's just
01:04:32
>> 50 to 60 megabytes per second across the country. >> Is there a file size limit?
01:04:36
>> Not that I've found. >> That's crazy. I blip I blip myself the
01:04:40
10 gigabyte uh pod audio after every >> session. >> No file size limit.
01:04:46
>> That's crazy. >> Blip is awesome. I'm a Blip uh evangelist.
01:04:52
>> Yeah, I'm full on Blip. If there's Blip merch, I'll buy Blip.
01:04:57
>> I'll wear it. >> No joke. Rufus really put us on that one. That's great.
01:05:00
>> Number two, Google Tasks. Y'all changed me. Wow. >> Google Tasks may have like legitimately
01:05:07
changed my life. >> That's crazy. >> I I will also argue that the simplicity
01:05:12
of it >> has maybe helped me because I remember David Pierce, which we should bring back
01:05:16
on again. I know he mentioned that recently on like threads >> wants to come back.
01:05:19
>> Um it sounds like he just wants to talk about productivity apps. That episode
01:05:23
did great. So come join us, David. Uh >> but like being I just have to type it in
01:05:29
every time. H at this point, a third of the time, like I just do the the task before it even pops up because I typed
01:05:36
it in, which like in my brain had me remember it. >> Um, it works great with that. It works
01:05:41
great with just uh Android Auto being able to like >> remind me, do it in one hour when I get
01:05:47
to work with all voice, not hands off the wheel at all. Like, >> yeah, it's changed my life.
01:05:52
>> You saying that is going to end up at Google IO this year. No one at >> Andrew Manganelli
01:05:58
has changed my life. >> Next quote, >> 128 gigabytes, I will ruin you.
01:06:06
>> Um, and then my number one is the most niche one possible, but as a disc golf
01:06:11
player, Udisk is exactly what I was talking about before of the free version of this app. Gives you 90% of the things
01:06:17
to either find a disc golf course, record your score, do pretty much anything disc golf related. It is a
01:06:23
super cheap sport anyone can do. If you want to find a course near you, it's on
01:06:27
there. Um, my favorite thing about it is every year they release this giant post
01:06:33
about how many people are playing in how many different countries. And it's essentially just so people can use that
01:06:38
data to give to their local townships to build more disc golf courses. Um, and if
01:06:44
at any point you want to request the data, you can just reach out to them and do it to try and build more community
01:06:49
building things. So, people who run that app are great. The app itself is great.
01:06:54
>> There there's a $30 a year subscription if you want some like really premium
01:06:58
things like getting it on my Garmin watch. Other than that, it's free. >> Great app.
01:07:02
>> Cool. >> Nice. >> Very nice. >> Play disc golf. >> I'll go next. So, first two
01:07:09
uh honorable mentions. >> Okay. >> Specifically because I'm on Android now,
01:07:14
so they're iOS only. >> One of them being Flighty like RZ mentioned. I miss
01:07:18
>> All right, I'll download it. All right, I'll download it. >> Flight is great. There's a crossplatform
01:07:21
one by air that's also really good, but it doesn't have the new airport intelligence feature that Flighty just
01:07:26
dropped. >> That is fire. >> Yeah. So, Flight is Flight is goated. Uh
01:07:30
the other one is Gentler Streak, which was the fitness app that I was using on Apple with my Apple Watch Ultra. It was
01:07:36
awesome. Miss it, but now I'm on Android, so >> it is what it is. But number five for me
01:07:43
is KWGT, which is like a widget app on Android. It's been around for a minute.
01:07:49
That's a good one. >> And that thing I've customized so many home screens. It lets you do basically
01:07:54
>> What is it called? >> Powerful. KWGT. >> What does it stand for?
01:07:57
>> Great question. No idea. >> It's It's K widget. >> Custom widget maker
01:08:02
>> but with a K. Custom with a K. >> I've never heard of that. >> Yeah, it's awesome. Uh if you Well,
01:08:06
whenever you get back on Android, David, Mr. iPhone only over there. Uh download
01:08:11
it. It's It's really cool. It's a little confusing. There's like a little
01:08:14
learning curve, but there's such a good community behind it where you could just
01:08:17
like import widgets that other people made and it's awesome. >> That's most of what I did. Like there's
01:08:21
some incredibly complex widgets where I'd import it and I'd be like, "What if
01:08:24
I just tweak this other and I break it?" I'm like, "You know what?
01:08:26
>> I'm just going to leave it." It was fine. >> Yeah. >> Uh number four is Duolingo. Just because
01:08:32
even though I still suck at speaking other languages, it's just it changed everything. Like gamifying apps started
01:08:39
I think because of Duolingo. The widget is awesome. it. What happened to Andrew?
01:08:43
You look like you're about to say >> I thought you said dual like du lingo or
01:08:48
no no no d e l lingo and I was like do they have like a battle royale version can't speak English. It's funny speaking
01:08:54
about language absence. >> No but if you're gifying languages they should make a a foreign language battle
01:09:00
royale game where >> dual lingo >> duel >> dueling dual lingo. It's time to duel.
01:09:05
You just have to like curse at other people. >> I know that Green Owl is listening. Send
01:09:09
it. Yeah, their their whole team is killing it with the marketing. So, uh, number three is an app that I just found
01:09:15
and it's already in like my top all time. It's called Stellarium. It's
01:09:19
having like a moment on TikTok basically, but it is a, you know, those old apps that uses like the
01:09:24
accelerometer on the phone and stuff to like see the stars and stuff like that. It lets you zoom in and I immediately
01:09:29
paid for the pro version because you get high version high res images of planets
01:09:34
and stars and stuff. So, as you look around, you can zoom in on planets and see actual like images. It's It's super
01:09:42
dope. >> Did you download this like two weeks ago when we were talking about it at getting
01:09:46
water? >> Oh, no, no, no. I downloaded it like two weeks ago because I was seeing someone
01:09:50
on it was going viral like on TikTok or something >> and someone was like zooming into a
01:09:55
picture and I was like, "What the hell?" And then I checked the comments and they
01:09:58
were like, "Yeah, this isn't a telescope. This is an app." And I immediately downloaded it.
01:10:01
>> Their I just Googled it and their web app is unbelievable. Oh, I didn't even
01:10:04
know they had a web app. Do I lift my computer up into the sky? >> No, he just But I found a Starlink.
01:10:12
>> That would be crazy. >> That's wild. Okay, that's good. >> My number two app is an app called Story
01:10:16
Graph, which is basically Goodreads from Amazon, but by an independent maker. Super awesome app. They have a lot of
01:10:23
good features that uh Goodreads doesn't have because Goodreads got purchased by
01:10:27
Amazon and Amazon forgot it existed and just hasn't done anything with it for a
01:10:30
decade. So >> classic. Good readads I think is the one that everyone uses just because of like
01:10:34
the social graph effect and everything but highly recommend getting on story graph. Jess, my fiance has found so many
01:10:40
great books because like their recommendation algorithm is just amazing. >> Uh and my number one app is Obsidian
01:10:47
because I'm a big notetaker guy and Obsidian is super complex and super like
01:10:53
you can do a lot with it. It is like a local first note-taking app for desktop and Android and iOS and all this stuff.
01:11:01
But I'm surprised at how much I get on my phone for things that I thought would
01:11:07
like not look right or like not format correctly or something like that. >> Um because I used to be an Android I
01:11:14
mean Android Apple Notes or Samsung Notes guy, but obviously they're locked into an ecosystem. I'm trying to like
01:11:20
pick apps that go between everything. Uh, and I use the I think it's called Forever Notes, which is like an Apple
01:11:27
notes taking system that lets you link between notes to make Apple notes way more powerful. It's a whole thing, but I
01:11:32
replicated that in Obsidian. So now basically everything that I need in my life is in Obsidian. So I use Obsidian
01:11:38
all the time, and I'm always surprised at how much I'm actually able to do on
01:11:43
it, especially in Dex mode, >> you know. >> And now the moments you've all been
01:11:48
waiting for. Top apps from a one Mr. Ellis Roen. All right. So guys, as you know, for a
01:11:57
long time, iPhone 12 mini, I couldn't install apps on it. December 2025, I get a new phone. So,
01:12:06
I've been using apps now for 3 months. >> This is huge. Okay. >> Huge.
01:12:11
>> I have a few honorable mentions because I have very fond memories of apps I used in my childhood on the iPod
01:12:20
touch. Uh just because I feel like that was like a really golden era of like weird dinky apps like
01:12:25
>> Yeah. >> Um >> the beer app >> when we were backstage.
01:12:29
>> Yeah. Well, I was Yeah. So the beer app because I was gonna bring up back being
01:12:32
backstage at uh at South by Southwest. I installed the beer app on the office iPad and chugged giant beers in front of
01:12:40
all you guys and you laughed. Um, another another honorable mention for me that I
01:12:47
don't think is still in the app store, and if it is, it's like a shell of its
01:12:51
former self. Do you guys remember Urban Spoon? >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah.
01:12:55
>> I loved Urban Spoon. >> A restaurant I went to once. >> Or no, Urban Spoon was a restaurant slot
01:13:01
machine where you entered in how much money you wanted to spend. It would go, >> what?
01:13:04
>> Yeah. And then it would give you a restaurant near you and you'd be like,
01:13:07
"That's where eat, I guess." >> My nightmare. That reminds me, do do you
01:13:10
know the app Too Good to Go? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Too good to Go is kind of like
01:13:14
that, too. It just tells you the restaurants that are closing and they'll get rid of they'll just be getting rid
01:13:18
of stuff and you can get like really big meals for $7 or you can get miso soup for $7. It's they you don't know what
01:13:25
they're going to give you. It's very random. >> Okay, but Ellis's top five. Are you
01:13:30
ready? >> I'm ready. Yep. >> Number five, >> Blip. >> No, I did not include Blip on here even
01:13:36
though it's just phenomenal. Um, but number five, discs. It's number five
01:13:42
because please integrate the blog posts with the app. I hate that when I click on a blog post, it opens my browser.
01:13:50
>> Wait, what is it? >> Disogs is like Goodreads/letterbox but for music. So like you can keep
01:13:56
track it but it's a few other things like so you can like log your record collection.
01:14:01
>> And then also there's like an eBay style buying and selling platform built into
01:14:06
it. So like you can see someone's collection if they and then they can list something as like you know I'm okay
01:14:11
getting rid of this and then you mention message them like I'll buy this or I'll
01:14:14
trade this and then you can do it all in the app. It's very cool. >> Um and then there's also like an actual
01:14:20
like publication side where they have anyone can upload a blog post and then they have like staff writers that write
01:14:25
about music and articles are very good. They're very fun to read. They're very
01:14:28
interesting. >> I just remember one time you came up to me. This is the only time I've ever
01:14:33
heard of it. You're like I'm so amped right now. I was like, "Why?" Like, I
01:14:37
uploaded an album and it was the first one ever uploaded on >> That was a big day for me when when when
01:14:43
I bought an album that was so rare. No one had had logged it on Discox before. So, I got to scan everything and like
01:14:50
upload the track listing and spend like an hour of my day being the guy. All right, number four. This is another app
01:14:57
that I don't know if it's still in the app store and if it is, you absolutely
01:15:00
should not buy it because it is the biggest biggest privacy boooo of all time. It's called Fog of World and it
01:15:09
was this early iOS app that would just destroy your phone's battery by leaving
01:15:14
location on all the time. This is so early in iOS that location was not like on all the time. And essentially it was
01:15:21
like a big map >> and it would just like that would be blank like or like white it out and then
01:15:27
as you would go around >> like an RTS. >> Yeah. It would and then so you could see
01:15:32
every single place you've ever been >> and if you traveled a lot like I for
01:15:37
some reason was doing as a teenager. You could like >> you would zoom out to see the whole
01:15:41
world and you see all these stripes cuz you could cuz if you were like me and you you said I I don't care about your
01:15:46
rules. You would leave your phone off of air like not on airplane mode on flights
01:15:51
and you'd get these big stripes. >> Oh my god. >> Across the country and then there was
01:15:56
like there was achievements for like all the states and countries you visited and
01:16:00
like it would keep track of the total like square mileage that you've covered
01:16:04
and like percent of the world that you've seen. >> This is a goated idea but the app cannot
01:16:09
be top five if you're just leaving your location. >> Goatated aspirationally in practice like
01:16:15
nightmare. Utter, utter nightmare. >> How would this work on your iPhone 12
01:16:18
mini? >> Don't Don't get this app. Don't get this app unless you want the Chinese
01:16:24
government to know every single thing about you. >> Okay. Number three. Number three,
01:16:30
Seessaw. >> Seesaw. >> Number three is Seessaw. Seesaw is like a It's for galleries in New York City. I
01:16:39
don't know. You can see all the art that's on display in New York. That's
01:16:42
it. >> Why is it called Seesaw? Like you see it and then after you see it, you saw it.
01:16:46
>> Got it. Um like Reddit. I get it. >> Yeah, I read it on Reddit. >> I'm quite fond.
01:16:50
>> Did you check off things you've seen? >> No, it doesn't do that much. It shows
01:16:54
you galleries in a map and it shows you galleries in a list. >> I like the logo
01:16:58
>> and that's all it needs to do. Like I like apps that that that do one thing
01:17:02
and do it really well. Number two, I'm have to reopen my list because I I can't
01:17:07
remember. Oh, number two, the Moment Pro camera. Yeah, >> which I am legally required to disclose.
01:17:15
They gave me for free. I didn't pay for it. >> That's true. >> So, if I don't know if I'd feel
01:17:20
differently about it if I did pay for it, but this was not something that I just happened to stumble upon. This was
01:17:25
Moment saying, "Ellis, here's a code. >> You have the app for free." Um, I like
01:17:30
the Mo I didn't like the Moment Pro camera. In fact, when I first downloaded, I said, "Ew, stinky."
01:17:36
>> To be clear, this is our second. >> This is Moment Proamer 2. >> Yeah, the This is much better. But then,
01:17:41
but then >> yeah, >> they launched an update where you could save profiles, which is like it like
01:17:47
saves literally every single setting in the um the the thing. David, I'm airdropping
01:17:54
you a photo I took with blipping it today because I can't find you on Blip. >> I I could tell you my
01:17:59
>> Is this onetime payment? Yeah, it's a onetime payment. >> $10 onetime payment. Listen, if you do
01:18:05
the Google Rewards thing, what's it called again? Opinion, you could pay for
01:18:09
this. Let me tell you the reason I like Moment Pro Wait before you describe the photograph.
01:18:13
>> Is this straight out camera? >> Yeah. I love Moment Pro camera because I
01:18:18
think the iPhone camera, the iPhone 17 Pro camera >> forced to be between 640 and 800 ISO
01:18:26
>> is one of the most pleasing things in the world. It like flattens everything.
01:18:30
There's very little dynamic range. There's a nice amount of grain. >> Almost gives it like a half tone effect.
01:18:35
>> Yes. So, David, is the picture I sent you dope as hell? >> Yeah. And the number one app in the app
01:18:41
store, the one app I think every single person on planet Earth should download onto their phone yesterday. Ready?
01:18:49
Universal >> universally applicable to all human beings. >> I hope it's Taco Bell.
01:18:54
>> It's going to be iMessage or something. >> The Brooklyn Public Library appl.
01:18:59
>> Dude, it just works. It just works. Nothing takes any time at all. If you
01:19:05
live in Timbuktu, get a Brooklyn library card. Really? Can you do that? >> Can you get a library card
01:19:12
>> online or something for Yeah, right. That's the >> My lazy part of Libby is I haven't gone
01:19:17
to the library to actually get the >> Well, I I at least with the Brooklyn
01:19:21
Public Library, you need to go to the library, but I other libraries. Anyway, this is all to say, dude, the other day
01:19:26
I was like, "Oh my god, I think I need to give my library book back." And I
01:19:31
opened the app and within 10 seconds I saw >> and hold >> I have three more days. I hit the renew
01:19:38
button. In zero seconds after hitting the renew, I had 30 more days. >> Why are all apps not as good as the
01:19:47
thing that costs zero money? The library. I just don't Anyway, Brooklyn Public Library uh backend and frontend
01:19:54
app team. Boy, you're just crushing it. >> What do they call it? BK Lynn N. It's
01:19:59
like not it's not saving that many letters. >> It's like WF VFR. >> Say less. It's literally saving five.
01:20:07
>> Yeah, it's not that many. >> That's a lot. It's more than half
01:20:09
>> for an app icon. That's actually a lot of real estate. >> They should call it Brooklyn public
01:20:14
library >> or just book. >> Yeah, just book. >> Yeah, >> but how would you know it's a public?
01:20:20
What if it was a private library? >> It says book. Oh, >> cuz you can download.
01:20:24
>> You could call it Brooklyn public library. >> Brooklyn. >> Or just put the R in parenthesis.
01:20:30
>> Anyway, that's Ellis's as someone who is brand new to the world of apps.
01:20:34
>> Nice. Um, also let me know what LUTs I should be getting for Moment Pro Cam
01:20:40
because I'm starting to play around with LUTs. >> Nice. I guess then without any further
01:20:44
ado, >> everyone's number one app. Trivia. >> Trivia. >> Oh, yes.
01:20:49
>> It took longer for that music to go in than Brooklyn Public Library app did.
01:20:53
>> BK. >> Biggest news of the week for humanity is we are sending people to the moon today.
01:21:00
We're not >> uh we're sending them around. >> Around the moon. They're going around
01:21:03
the moon. They will be the furthest that humans have ever been away from Earth. Isn't that crazy?
01:21:08
>> I'm scared, >> Marquez. You could still say you went to Niagara Falls if you didn't jump in the
01:21:12
water. Okay. Like, >> but that's different because people have actually been on the moon.
01:21:16
>> Did Katy Perry go to space? >> Oh, good question. >> The definition of space.
01:21:20
>> Yeah, we're going to have to wait till Artemis 4 for people on the moon.
01:21:23
>> Anyway, we're sending people around the moon. >> Sending people around the moon. They're
01:21:26
going to slingshot around Earth. Go back to the moon. Slingshot around the moon.
01:21:28
Come back home. It's going to be awesome. You listening to this already know how the launch went. Today is April
01:21:34
1st at the time of recording. We are We are waiting for the >> Wait, when does it It launches today.
01:21:38
>> It launches today. Later today. >> Aren't we supposed to get a Tesla
01:21:41
Roadster announcement today? >> How much astrophase do they use to go to the moon?
01:21:45
>> Yeah. >> Two billion pounds. Uh, okay. But the question is >> of Kit Kats.
01:21:52
>> Sorry. Continue. >> Artemis 2 mission. That's what it is. It's the Artemis 2 mission.
01:21:56
>> Okay. But did you know that in Greek mythology, Artemis has a twin brother
01:22:01
named what? I don't I don't know very well. >> Oh, wait. I think I know this.
01:22:08
>> Soci. >> You should know this. So, this is a Greek mythology question.
01:22:12
>> Nah, I'm wrong. >> Wait, >> it is, but it isn't. That's your hint.
01:22:16
>> Oh, wait. >> Which probably has ties to some other NASA related space program.
01:22:21
>> Probably. >> Either way, if you know it, you already know it. If you don't, you'll find out
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Go to shopify.com/wayform. That's shopify.com/wwayform. Welcome back. Okay, we got a couple of
01:24:42
little quick stories for you guys. There was some fairly big news. It could be big news to you or it could
01:24:48
be just like a nothing burger news. >> Big >> um you know the amount of Kit Kats that
01:24:53
were stolen on the on the road this week. Uh okay. So the news is that Apple is opening up Swift as a programming
01:25:01
language for Android which is fairly big maybe. I asked a friend of the show, Christian Selig about this, a famous
01:25:09
developer for many different apps, including Apollo for Reddit, which is no longer available, and he said, "I don't
01:25:17
think you can use it for UI yet, can you?" So kind of eh being able to write
01:25:21
general algorithmic stuff in the same across iOS and Android is cool but until you can do the whole thing in swift I
01:25:27
don't know if it's going to bring over many iOS developers for instance especially if I just am able to blast
01:25:33
through Cotlin with modern LLMs um has yeah this is a text so it's kind of complicated
01:25:41
if just being able to blast through Cotlin with modern LLMs hasn't done it for people for whatever reason. So I
01:25:47
guess what he's saying is like Cotlin is just so standard now and you can use
01:25:52
modern LLMs to code things that like Swift is not that big of a deal. So maybe it's not a big deal.
01:25:57
>> I guess if you just like tell Claude, which just got leaked, but if you tell
01:26:01
Claude to like look at this Cotlin code and make a make it swift, maybe that's
01:26:06
what he means. Like does that does it work? >> I I guess >> I refuse to mention anything about
01:26:10
software engineering because I don't want to get yelled at. >> That's fair. I Yeah. If you think this
01:26:17
was a big deal, >> let us know. David, >> I ain't reading all that.
01:26:22
>> Congratulations or sorry that happened. >> Yeah. It's funny cuz Swift used to sort
01:26:26
of be the like, oh, we're just making our iOS apps in Swift and like we can't
01:26:30
I'm sorry, we only have an iOS app because we can't forward it to Android,
01:26:33
whatever. And so now you have less of a reason not to, I suppose. But >> I was like, what's their angle?
01:26:39
>> I don't I don't quite understand. But also like I thought one of the big
01:26:42
selling points of Swift is how easy it plugs into the Apple APIs which give you hardware access. So like how does
01:26:48
>> Yeah. And that's probably why it's not as big of a deal. >> Yeah. Like can you port over something
01:26:53
that is using like the Face ID API or like >> you'd probably have to configure that
01:26:58
separately. >> You have to be like Claude. >> Yeah. Yeah. I think Yeah. Who knows? I
01:27:05
mean we were thinking what was the the meta one where you can code for both and it React Native.
01:27:09
>> React Native. Yeah. >> Yeah. and and a lot of people like don't
01:27:11
like React Native. So I think Apple maybe saw an opportunity there but like Christian said if you can just you know
01:27:16
vibe code through Cotlin then it's whatever. So just wanted to mention that I think this would have been cooler like
01:27:22
two years ago. >> Yeah. Two years ago. Like now it I feel like they just had this waiting and then
01:27:27
now that everyone just does it with AI anyway they're like okay sure release
01:27:30
it. Like who cares? >> Yeah. >> All right Andrew. >> All right I'm about to crash out.
01:27:35
>> I'm ready. >> Not really. Okay. If you know about whoop, we've talked about it on this
01:27:40
podcast before. >> There it is. >> Nice. >> There it is. I like your big whoop. Who
01:27:45
cares? >> Whoever added that, >> that was me. Said big whoop. >> Um,
01:27:49
>> what the >> what? >> That was straight up me. >> No, it wasn't.
01:27:53
>> Yes, it was. >> No, it wasn't. >> Look at the document history. I just
01:27:55
typed that in Slack 3 days ago. >> Yeah. Well, I tweeted that six years ago,
01:28:01
>> actually. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Whoop. Whoop just announced that they're just
01:28:08
got valuated at $10.1 billion, which is three times more than the previous valuation.
01:28:14
>> That's a lot of money. Cool. >> That is a big fake number. Um, listen,
01:28:20
I've used a bunch of wearables. My stupid bed tracks my sleep. I pay attention to all sorts of different
01:28:26
activity trackers. Um, I've been down this rabbit hole. And the more I think about Whoop, the more I
01:28:33
can't just not think Whoop is a marketing company and not really an activity tracker company. And I just
01:28:42
I don't know. Everyone's always like, "Oh, my Whoop. It's so cool. It has the
01:28:46
best statistics ever and it's so much better than all the other ones, which just reminds me of all the people who
01:28:50
have Mac and are like, "Oh, Mac is so much easier than Windows. That's why I
01:28:54
bought it." Which just feels like something they marketed really well and now you believe that. And
01:28:58
>> yeah, true. There are probably some really niche people who like the Whoops.
01:29:03
I know some people like it because they like to wear a regular watch. But the fact that this stupid little tracker one
01:29:09
has a notification motor but can't notify me when I get actual notifications sounds wild. It can't tell
01:29:15
me the time. And this if you want Whoop 5.0 is somewhere between $239 and $359 a
01:29:23
year depending on what features you want. And you aren't paying monthly, you
01:29:27
have to pay yearly. So, at a certain point, this just feels like the Planet Fitness like uh
01:29:33
>> scam. >> Scam pretty much. Like uh yeah, it feels like they're just doing the Planet
01:29:38
Fitness thing where it's like you pay upfront for a year and you lock into a
01:29:42
year contract and then they hope you basically just forget about it after you submit.
01:29:49
>> That was the blip sound. >> Does that have it on my computer? >> I happen to know that that's the blip
01:29:53
sound. >> The blip sound. Um >> David David blipped the computer. That's
01:29:57
recording the way. >> Sorry. >> That's happened so many times on this
01:30:02
book. >> Just finished. >> It is a nice sound though. I got to say. >> Yeah.
01:30:06
>> A big reason they're probably at this evaluation right now is because they
01:30:09
just became a perk on Chase Sapphire, which is like one of the most popular credit cards in the country, which means
01:30:15
I'm sure thousands of thousands of people went, "Oh, I get a free Whoop
01:30:20
membership. I'm going to sign up." And then put that in a drawer one month
01:30:23
later and never think about it again. >> You get one year. You get a year because
01:30:26
you have to sign up for a year. So, you get a year for free. >> Yeah. >> I mean, a ton of people on Twitter were
01:30:31
saying this. I've seen this so many times. I think activity trackers, I don't know about you all, but the second
01:30:37
most popular question I get about different like consumer technology after phones is an activity tracker. They're
01:30:43
super popular now. Garmins, Apple watches, whoops, I get asked about all the time.
01:30:48
>> And every single person that has ever asked me about it and bought one has
01:30:51
given up with it within 2 months. I mean, it's a small that's anecdotal evidence, but I don't know. I hate these
01:30:57
stupid things. I might be the number one whoop hater, but >> I have a hot take.
01:31:01
>> Yeah, >> a lot of people are like, "Oh, I don't need much for my activity tracker. I
01:31:05
just need to track my steps." Your phone already does that. >> That's true.
01:31:09
>> Yeah. Why do you need to >> You don't need the other stuff. Here's
01:31:12
my thing about Whoop, though, is if you want to, the thing I use on my Garmin the most is in the gym. I just have like
01:31:19
the heart rate level, uh, you know, like levels one through five and that's what
01:31:25
I look the most atones >> because the zones. Yeah, thank you. >> Whoop. You can't see any of this stuff
01:31:30
unless your phone is out at the gym cuz you all it's no screen. Everything you
01:31:33
have to track on your screen, you have to put on your screen. >> The benefit
01:31:37
>> I want to put my phone down in the gym. No, but you can work out without looking
01:31:40
at any screens. Like that's why I like >> I know, but I like looking at my heart
01:31:44
rate zones in the middle. Like that's how I time my workouts is >> depends on what workout you're doing.
01:31:48
>> Do a lift or do a I used to do it when I was climbing. It's like do it heart rate
01:31:52
up, wait for heart rate to go down, know I'm ready for the next time and I'm like
01:31:56
properly rested in between. >> Yes. But a lot of the thing that Whoop does differently and or at least it used
01:32:02
to cuz now everyone has this. But it used to be recovery. That was their thing. You work out, you have the watch
01:32:08
on here, the wrist, whatever. >> Body battery >> and Yeah. And Garmin's body batteries.
01:32:12
>> You know what has it? Athletic for $2 a month. >> Yeah, Athletic has it.
01:32:15
>> And it's like almost one to one replica of it. So, I don't know. And first of
01:32:19
all, all of these things are toys. None of these are really that important. Listen to our episode with Dr. Mike
01:32:26
about activity trackers. It's I am fully in for of turning health into a game.
01:32:32
And if that helps you be healthy, be healthy. That's great. But there's so
01:32:35
many better options than these stupid whoop bands. They're not comfortable either. They're really annoying to have
01:32:40
this big plastic. >> There aren't any other options. >> There are some other ones I haven't
01:32:44
gotten to try. There's another one. I forgot what it's called. It's like a
01:32:46
hundred bucks no subscription. It looks exactly like a Whoop. >> They've just dominated that exact space
01:32:53
of like well there's a bunch of different there's like the people like the rings, the aura rings and all those.
01:32:58
Then there's all the competitors to that which is just like I want a minimal
01:33:01
thing. Then there's the small band with no screen, which they've dominated. But
01:33:05
there's also Fitbits, and there's other things that do that. And they have, you
01:33:08
know, the most customers and maybe the most data and maybe the most accuracy. Who knows? Then you have the thing with
01:33:12
a screen from the Garmin watch, the Apple Watch, and then people want to be able to look at their heart rate while
01:33:16
they're working out. That's a space dominated by one player. And so there's
01:33:19
a bunch of different versions of these. the 10 billion dollars. I don't even
01:33:22
know I don't really care about the $10 billion, but it is interesting that like
01:33:26
all I really use it for, and this is someone who actively trains and constantly looks at the data, is to like
01:33:32
gamify and try to make sure I hit certain metrics or hit certain numbers. The whole thing we talked about with Dr.
01:33:38
Mike is it might tell you you didn't hit your number or you you know, oh, you got
01:33:41
a bad sleep score today, so you start to feel worse because you saw the number was worse and then that's a whole cycle
01:33:47
that you spiral into. That's not ideal. But yeah, I think Whoop is is like I
01:33:53
don't know how else to it's like the default for I just want it's either that
01:33:57
or Fitbit. I just want a fitness tracker that can tell me at the end of the day if I did enough and if I should be
01:34:04
feeling better the next day. I think I agree with Andrew because I do think there's a part of like the Whoop ethos
01:34:10
and I don't know if it was like this at the beginning, but it's definitely like
01:34:12
this now just because like so many uh like big-time CEOs and celebrities who feel like they can't be seen with a
01:34:24
smartwatch either for like PR reasons or like they don't want to be seen as endorsing the specific company reasons
01:34:29
like choose Whoop as their um fitness tracker. like like if you I feel like I especially at Southby I feel like
01:34:36
whenever I saw either a picture or like some sort of famous person they were all
01:34:40
wearing whoops uh I think it is sort of thought of as like the if you're at a
01:34:45
certain status level is the only option >> really >> their endorsements of athletes are
01:34:51
gigantic >> it it marquez do you know like Equinox >> yeah I was literally just going to make
01:34:56
>> I would associate Whoop with like the Equinox crowd where it's like
01:34:58
>> is that because it's way more expensive than Fitbit or >> I think it's six of one half a dozen of
01:35:02
the other it's It's because it's it's the high price point option and then
01:35:06
it's just because it's associated with this level of prestige where I can't be
01:35:10
seen with a with a clearly branded product. And I know at this point Whoop is a clearly branded product, but at the
01:35:16
same time it's it's sort of an unbranded product in the sense that there are
01:35:21
there are pretty much no identifying details. So I do think if you're the kind of person who wants to be thought
01:35:27
of as part of the CEO high prestige crowd is now >> it's a status thing for sure. It's a
01:35:35
like I care about the absolute minutia of metrics about my body and I'm going
01:35:40
to push it to the extreme >> and I don't think it gives any extra information any other thing
01:35:45
>> but their marketing has it's also totally an if you know you know product
01:35:49
you know what I mean like I I totally think it's it's a marketing >> I think I just think the yearly it used
01:35:55
to be worse it used well I guess you would get discounts but like you sign up for two or three years at a time it just
01:36:00
feels predatory at this point it is definitely doing the Planet Fitness model of like,
01:36:05
>> "Hey, look, here's a time in your life right now. You want to be healthy? Buy
01:36:08
this thing and then realize a month into it, like I don't care if you give up cuz
01:36:12
I already got a year's worth of your money out of it." >> You're freaking me out cuz I was going
01:36:15
to sign up for Plano Fitness today and now you're making me feel like I maybe
01:36:18
shouldn't. We'll talk after >> the hardest thing about Planet of Fitness is cancelling it.
01:36:22
>> Yeah. I would say I wouldn't want to like shun people away from fitness
01:36:25
tracking and like trying to There's a lot of people who are looking to take a
01:36:29
first step in fitness who don't really know where to start and this is a thing.
01:36:32
What's one of the many things that you can try that can give you some information that you don't know before?
01:36:38
Like you have your phone in your pocket that can tell you your steps. I have no idea what my heart rate is until I'm
01:36:42
wearing a wearable. There's a ton of choices. This is one of them. >> And then it's just all positioning. Like
01:36:47
yeah, they're going to they're going to have ads with celebrities. I think Aura
01:36:50
Ring kind of does some of the same stuff. You literally have a gold ring on which is like this unbranded thing. So
01:36:55
there's there's different positioning moves. Um, I'm not as familiar with Whoop
01:37:02
because I don't use one and I don't know which metrics they're showing. I assume
01:37:05
they're at least decently accurate because they're not, you know, getting
01:37:08
claimed for accuracy. But yeah, I have an Apple Watch and I I I follow maybe five or six of the metrics and I know
01:37:15
they're not accurate. I've done the step counting things and I know they're not
01:37:18
accurate. I've done the heart rate stuff. I know the calories counters aren't accurate, but it's just something
01:37:22
to have to focus on gamify and then get in that world. And if you can get one that's not hundreds of dollars a year
01:37:29
with a mandatory 12 month subscription, that's probably a deal. >> Speaking of which, breaking news. Two
01:37:34
hours ago. >> Yeah. >> Uh Fitbit is going to be launching a Whooplike product that does not have a
01:37:39
screen >> two hours ago. Um the April Fool's Day Steph. But Steph Curry put out a video.
01:37:46
>> Okay. where he is wearing a band without a screen on it and he says he describes
01:37:53
it as a firstofits-kind product before saying that he doesn't want to spoil what it is.
01:37:58
>> It's definitely not first because we brought it up based on something else
01:38:01
which is fine. >> Yeah. Selfishly, I'm just hyped for this because I like wearing real watches and
01:38:08
that means that I can't wear an Apple Watch Garmin watch. >> This is not real.
01:38:13
>> I mean, it tells time so it's real. wearing like actual watches. >> You know what they need to make? They
01:38:19
need to make Whoop, but it's just a It's just the band for an actual watch.
01:38:23
>> There's Alex saw something the other day that's essentially a puck that would go
01:38:28
under your normal watch and have specifically for >> Casio. >> But I want like if if the band of your
01:38:35
watch was basically a Whoop and it it got the information from like below your wrist or whatever.
01:38:39
>> I think I've seen something like that >> and you could wear it on whatever.
01:38:42
>> Is that the best place to get the information though? Yeah, but I also wouldn't want to like wear my actual
01:38:46
watch in the gym, you know, like or to sleep because I like bigger watches usually. I like the Whoop and now this
01:38:52
new Fitbit thing. Like the reason I've been liking these bands is because I can
01:38:55
wear them on the other wrist and just forget about them and they have such crazy battery life. I don't have to
01:38:59
think about them. >> Mhm. >> I've gotten to the point where I mostly
01:39:02
only like looking at heart rate zones and getting my notifications on it cuz I just don't like my phone ever vibrating
01:39:07
or doing anything. I'm so close to just giving up on a smartwatch, but then I have to change my
01:39:14
phone more often. >> I do it for the >> or look at my phone more often.
01:39:16
>> I do it for the exact same things like or heart rate and then like a timer like
01:39:20
if I'm doing a >> like a plank. I like that, you know, but I'm right there with you. Like the only
01:39:26
time literally the only time I ever go back and check my recorded data is to find out how many days did I work out
01:39:32
this week, >> which I could literally do with a fridge and a marker >> or your brain. A lot of it is I I
01:39:39
usually frame it as it's all comparative. So like I know that the calorie counter in the Apple Watch is
01:39:45
not accurate. But if I want to know if my workout today was actually harder than the workout I did last week, I can
01:39:52
see if it was a higher or lower number. >> That's like kind of as much as I can get
01:39:57
out of it. >> My issue is the Whoop people will be like, "No, everything in this is
01:40:00
gospel." >> It feels like I've seen some people on online talking about whooping like this
01:40:06
is the most accurate. this is so much better than everything else with zero sources or real information based on
01:40:12
that. Just like I'm better than you, therefore this better. I don't know. There's probably
01:40:18
people out there who love Whoop. There's again I don't want to vilify this as
01:40:22
like a if this is what helps you work out, do it. Who cares what that price is? But
01:40:27
>> yeah, >> I don't like Whoop. >> Sorry. 10 mil 10 billion my butt. Stock
01:40:33
market's fake. Look what Open AI just got. Well, I think Whoop should give a
01:40:37
$10 billion investment to OpenAI who then can give it to Nvidia who then can give it to Oracle, who then can give it
01:40:43
to Whoop. >> I have an announcement. >> What? >> I am pledging $50 billion
01:40:50
>> to OpenAI over the next 50 years. >> Nice. >> And it's uh intent buying intent, right?
01:40:56
>> Yeah. No, this is just this is the speculative intent. >> Intent.
01:41:01
>> It's part of a investment package called the Pinky Promise. Oh, wait. No, that's
01:41:05
actually serious. >> Yeah, you can't break that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, that's legally binding.
01:41:08
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's also It is April 1st. >> Oh, right. True.
01:41:11
>> That's why not when this comes out. >> This is so bad. >> Well, RAM prices are actually collapsing
01:41:16
right now. >> Uh and the reason is because everyone thought that OpenAI had purchased 40% of
01:41:22
the world's RAM supply for 2026. Turns out uh no, Sam Alman just signed an intent to purchase, which is not
01:41:30
actually a legally binding thing. And then OpenAI is like, actually, we don't
01:41:33
need the RAM. And so, uh, now RAM prices are crashing. Thank god. Um, we can finally have our Steam Deck at a
01:41:39
reasonable Steam box at a reasonable price. >> Maybe >> they'll keep the same
01:41:46
make more money on it. >> They have actually reduced the prices of RAM quite a bit. They've crashed a lot.
01:41:51
So, >> good to know. >> Pretty awesome. >> Rare good news. >> Rare good news.
01:41:54
>> Very nice news. >> But, you know what hasn't crashed and remains at an all-time high?
01:41:59
>> Trivia. I don't know how that not my trivia points. >> My points have been crashing over the
01:42:06
last three months. >> No, they've been steady. >> They've been steady. That's the problem.
01:42:10
>> They haven't gone up at all, but that's fine. >> Guys, which iPhone was left at a bar and
01:42:16
subsequently leaked by Gizmodo? What do you think, Andrew? >> I don't want to give give you guys the
01:42:23
answers. >> Why am I second guessing myself? You sure? >> You should. You really should not second
01:42:33
guess yourself. >> I'm pretty sure it's >> This would be pretty embarrassing.
01:42:36
>> It would be. >> Just going to throw it out there. >> I'm pretty sure I'm right.
01:42:42
>> I don't think anyone would be able to take you seriously if you got this
01:42:44
wrong. >> Oh my gosh. >> Oh, that's what I like to see. >> Okay,
01:42:51
>> we're all wrote the same thing. So, would you like to read the answer at the
01:42:54
same time? >> One, two, three. iPhone 4. >> Wait, David wrote sour. >> I wrote in cursor.
01:43:04
>> It's a four. >> It was in fact the iPhone 4. >> But I had a moment where I was like, is
01:43:09
it the 4S? >> But no, it was the new >> because it was huge design. >> The new design.
01:43:13
>> iPhone 4 was the one where they changed the outside and iPhone 4S was the one
01:43:16
where the inside sort of became the >> Tik Tok >> the modern iPhone >> on the clock.
01:43:21
>> Um, >> I'm going to do this score update this time. But Adam, did you already give
01:43:26
them that point? Sweet. O or Oracle >> Marquez. >> Yes. >> Caboose in it with 20 points.
01:43:32
>> Cooking. >> Andrew. Smack dab in the middle. Saminesco tune. 21 points.
01:43:41
>> David. King David. >> Biblical King David. >> Didn't he get his head chopped off or
01:43:47
something? >> I don't think so. >> Okay. Don't Google it. >> That was our list.
01:43:50
>> Just revel in the mystery of whether he might have gotten his head chopped off
01:43:54
or not. >> Pandora's head. No, >> Schroinger's head. >> Schroinger's head.
01:44:02
>> 24 points. >> How am I smack dab in the middle? >> Cuz you're in between them,
01:44:08
>> but not smack dab. You're technically the median. >> You are technically
01:44:11
>> You're a point and a half away. I'll give you a point and a half right now.
01:44:14
So, you're smack dab in the middle. I'm just kidding. >> April fools.
01:44:20
>> All right. Here's Adam for the space question. Artemis has a twin brother
01:44:24
named What? Go. Fun fact, guys. The mission is called Artemis because they're not they're
01:44:32
going to do like the gravity cyst. Like they're not landing on the moon. So,
01:44:35
they're are they're going to miss. >> Are they going to miss? >> That's why they called it that.
01:44:42
>> I don't even know enough of these names to just guess on this one. >> No, that's the rock guy.
01:44:48
>> No, think about it. >> Dwayne the Dwayne. Dwayne. >> I don't know it.
01:44:55
Reed, what do you got? >> Discovery. >> I wrote discovery. >> That doesn't sound Greek to me.
01:45:04
>> Yeah, it doesn't. >> That is not it. >> I wrote Zeus. >> At least it's Greek.
01:45:09
>> I'm probably wrong. >> Is it? >> I wrong, guys. >> Twins.
01:45:16
>> The Apollo. >> Damn, it was right there. >> You should have had that. It's really
01:45:24
>> much as I know slash like about Apollo. >> I'm so glad I got to watch your reaction
01:45:28
when you got that wrong cuz I knew it would piss you off. >> Nice. >> Wow. Well, you know, another learning
01:45:34
experience on the pod. >> Wait, Apollo twin. >> Can we call >> Oh my god. Apollo twin.
01:45:40
>> Can we call it Artemis then? Is your >> Apollo's Twin is Artemis.
01:45:43
>> Why can't I Is your universal audio interface actually? >> Apollo twin which is the Artemis.
01:45:50
>> That's wild. >> Wow. Oh, that's crazy. >> I hate that. Well, now we know. I'm
01:45:56
going to study up on uh Greek mythology for next week's trivia just in case. But
01:46:00
hey, leave your comments on why who had the best top five apps list? I want to know in the comments section. Now, now
01:46:07
that you made it this far, you've heard all of our top five apps list. Who had
01:46:09
the best list? Comment below. And why was it me? >> It's probably Adam.
01:46:13
>> Yeah. Thanks for watching. Catch you guys next week in April. Peace. >> Bye.
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01:46:25
Sill. >> Quick pickup. >> Yeah. >> Twin brother. >> There we go.
01:46:38
>> That's it. >> How are you? >> Trivia this week. Twin brother.
01:46:43
>> How you going to cut that? >> Wait, it's all up here. >> Oh, I think I know.