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Catch you guys next week in April.
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Peace.
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>> Did you guys hear that the Super Mario
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Galaxy music movie is bad?
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>> Yeah.
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>> Really?
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>> Yeah.
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>> Yeah. Cuz it's preying on your
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nostalgia. It's not good.
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>> The first one was good.
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>> Yeah. Yeah.
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>> Are you excited for Backyard Baseball?
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>> Of course.
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>> BYB.
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>> Is it out yet?
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>> We weren't recording.
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>> April, my stomach dropped cuz I was
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like, I have a flight. Don't do this to
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me.
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Yo, what is up people of the internet?
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Welcome back to another episode of the
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Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm
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Marquez.
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>> I'm Andrew.
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>> And I'm David.
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>> And it's April. Finally.
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>> We finally got to April.
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>> Never have to hear tar again.
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>> That's maybe not true.
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>> I hope it is.
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>> We'll see in about 12 months. But as of
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the day of recording, it's actually
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April Fool's Day. So, happy happy April
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Fool's Day to those who celebrate. We
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actually dropped videos today uh that I
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thought were really fun. You can go back
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and watch them. and they still have
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actually some value outside of April
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Fool's Day. I'll put it that way. Uh,
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but in today's episode, we have a eulogy
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for a deceased product. We have Google
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allowing you to change your username on
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Gmail, which is interesting.
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>> Uh, some smart glasses from another new
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company. A Pixel 9, I mean 10, I mean 11
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leak,
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>> which is
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>> that's a weird way to say Pixel 8. I
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mean,
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>> really brand new stuff. And we're also
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going to name our top five apps of all
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time. I have my Mount Rushmore and then
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some honorable mentions. I got to pick
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one from my honorable mentions to
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graduate to a top five. I will do that
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mentally at some point during this
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podcast.
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>> Yeah, right now I only have four. I'm
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just going to let the fifth one come to
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me.
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>> That's a good idea. I like that.
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>> Overlap. I feel like we're going to
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overlap.
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>> That's fine. We don't have to agree on
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our top five, but we all have to. We're
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bringing it to the table.
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>> All right.
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>> Probably for the comments to debate how
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wrong we are or who has the hottest
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takes the coldest takes. Anyway, uh does
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anybody have a Did they even test this
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for this week?
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>> Oh boy, do I. So recently, I have been
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trying to get into my PayPal account
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because I haven't used it in so long
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that the last time I used it, I had a
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different phone number. So I go to log
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in,
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>> it's over. It's over.
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>> It's a wrap. And they're like, "Hey, we
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just sent you a code, a six-digit code."
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And I'm like,
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>> Mhm.
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>> I to what? Like I don't have that number
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anymore. So, fast forward three days and
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multiple customer service reps later,
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they were finally able to get me to uh
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reset my password with my email after.
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But it makes no sense because the whole
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time I call, they have you like first
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with the little AI robot thing verify
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who you are, not only with the phone
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number, but with your your last for the
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social.
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>> So, I should be able to just change my
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>> phone number right from there with the
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AI. Like, just let me do it. They know
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it's me, but they refused to do it to
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the point that they had to do like a
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crazy reset on their side so that I
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couldn't log in for 24 hours or attempt
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to log in or they would think it was a
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security thing and then after 24 hours I
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had to call back, get someone else on
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the phone and then they could be like,
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"Oh yeah, now we can do like a hard
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reset on your password." I say all this
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to say phone number two factor is
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stupid.
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>> There are apps for this. We've solved
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this problem. Stop being lazy. PayPal's
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one of the biggest companies and they're
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still using phone number two factor and
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it it it was just so frustrating, so
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annoying.
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>> Adam famously made a video on Android
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authority.
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>> Don't trigger me, dude.
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>> A long time ago called that we should
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get rid of phone numbers and uh people
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are very angry.
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>> People made great points. We should
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>> You should not have gotten rid of your
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phone number and none of this would have
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ever happened.
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>> That's fair.
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>> Well, if you just use pass keys, this
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would not be a problem. Use use
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authenticator app. PSA PSA. I think
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you'll never have to test that process
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in your life.
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>> All righty. Okay. So, this week we made
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uh two different shorts so far. And I
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say so far because we might keep going,
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but uh the idea was kind of fun. It was
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to take the same photo on every single
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iPhone generation that's ever been made
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1 through 17.
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>> Shout out Jonno real quick. This was his
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He was basically like we've done these
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every Apple phone, every Google phone.
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The short version of the shorts version
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of this is take a photo with everyone
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and just let's see how it goes. That's
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really cool. Like in ascending order.
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>> Yeah. Because they talk, you know, these
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companies talk about the smartphone's
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camera so much that you'd assume there'd
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be like a huge difference year to year
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of a lot of these things. You take all
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these, and by the way, it's like kind of
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a hilarious process of taking 17
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straight photos with all these different
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phones. We have to fire them all up, get
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them all set up, make sure they're all
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in their default settings, sit still for
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15 minutes while we get every single one
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perfectly lined up, take all 17 photos.
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Uh, but then like throwing them all on
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the timeline and seeing them back to
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back in broad daylight, you might have
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watched that first short, not a lot of
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difference, especially year to year with
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a lot of these iPhones didn't shock me
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because in broad daylight, that's like
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the perfect best case scenario. I think
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it starts to break down around like the
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iPhone 4S. But when you watch the low
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light one, that is much more that
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exposed a lot more of the differences
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between these sensor sizes. You know,
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you have the years that they switch from
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4 megapixels to 8 megapixels to 12 and
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then 12 for a while and they bump it up
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again. You can see those differences.
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You can also see the first iPhone that
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gets night mode, which is the 11. So,
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there's way more interesting information
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in that second one of low light. Uh, I
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think we'll do more because we're we're
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it's fun to I'm not even narrating them.
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I might later make a long form like what
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we learned video about all this stuff,
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but maybe we'll do like all the Google
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phones cuz we know there's like a moment
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where the Pixel gets really good camera.
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Maybe we'll do a Samsung phones one cuz
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we've reviewed every Samsung phone. We
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can keep going with this stuff and and
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maybe if comments, if you have good
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comments, let us know what you want to
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see. I think a good close-up photo would
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be interesting because close-up photos
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got good in the last 10 years, but they
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were always really bad before. So, that
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could be fun, too.
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>> I'll say two things about it. One is
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while the actual end photo, a lot of
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them might look different. The like UI
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and interface and taking the photos was
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I took all the photos in the first one.
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>> It gets real slow real fast. Um like
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taking the pictures are just such a
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nicer experience in the newer ones. And
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I think the way after posting this I
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realized this short went really viral is
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how many people just straight up stole
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all of the content in it and posted it
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all over social media.
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>> Yeah. Yeah. We I I mean I posted a video
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cuz people like to take like a frame or
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two out of it and then post them as
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their own post basically. It's really
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annoying that we do this thing of like
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this goes from 17 and you get to watch
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all the way down to one and then someone
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goes I'm just going to clip out the two
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final things and post it with no credit
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on Twitter and get 5 million views. It's
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infuriating.
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>> That does happen.
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>> Um it happened all over I mean Instagram
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everything. Even
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>> even posting at MKBHD feels really crap
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because like maybe it goes to you but
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>> I don't know.
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>> At least tag me. Monetizing all of these
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different social media platforms to just
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allow stolen content like that has
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destroyed social media.
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>> Yeah, monetization over engagement is is
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probably the worst thing that's happened
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to social media
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>> for sure.
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>> I think you should still be able to get
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your precious engagement and tag the
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source. You can
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>> some of them aren't straight up aren't
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even doing that.
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>> Please do that.
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>> But that's also like a
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>> the just comparing the final two so you
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don't even go watch the like why would
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you watch the content? That's a spoiler.
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That's like taking every one of our
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reviews and just posting the last frame
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with the final sentence across it and
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spamming all over Twitter, which now I
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might have given someone that.
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>> Can you summarize this video for me,
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please?
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>> People love taking the title and
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thumbnail of a review and then just
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commenting about it as if that's the
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review because it's the packaging of the
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video, but there's way more nuance to
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the video, right?
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>> Anyway, that happens a lot. Uh, I was
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going to say something else about this.
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Oh. Um, since this was every iPhone, we
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had to get all the photos from the
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iPhones to my computer to edit it.
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>> You know, the the the latest iPhones are
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easy. You just open up AirDrop and
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AirDrop it to the Mac. I was surprised
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at how far do you David? How how old of
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an iPhone do you think I was able to
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airdrop the photo to myself?
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>> 4S. That's exactly right.
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>> Yeah,
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>> that is the the newest the oldest iPhone
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that I was able to airdrop to myself.
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After that, we had to
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>> fun fact on this. Yeah. So, I did the
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final four or five of them. Uh
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>> I was like looking online, how do I get
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these out? Because it used to be iTunes,
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right? We had the it was basically
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everything with a 30 pin connector I had
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to do.
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>> And I'm searching on Reddit and people
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are like, "Oh, use what's it called?
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Image capture on
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>> on Mac."
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>> On Mac.
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>> It could see all of the files, but it
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wouldn't open them or import them. And
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then I'm just like, you know what?
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Windows file management is so much
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better than Apple. I lit all I had to do
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is plug it in and I could just go into
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it like a hard drive and pull the drive.
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So it was just easier to pull it out on
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a Windows computer than it was on the
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company that makes it. So top to bottom
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integration my butt if you have an older
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thing Windows fig somewhere around the
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4S or the five. Yeah. I think Apple has
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always been forward like they've been
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not wanting people to have to even think
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about folder structures and that's why
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like the iPad didn't even get folders
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until like way way way too late.
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>> So everyone wants them obviously, but
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the whole what's a computer campaign
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like the kids don't care about the
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>> It's genuinely crazy how many young
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people don't know like the file
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structure of computers.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Yeah. I learned that recently. That
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seems like a pretty fundamental thing.
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Obviously our parents grew up with Yeah.
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Our parents grew up with other
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fundamentals that we think is
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ridiculous. It turns out young people
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are growing up not caring about file
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structures.
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>> Yeah, I saw a meme that was like, if
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you're Gen Z, the tech literacy bar is
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whether or not you installed Minecraft
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mods when you were a kid.
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>> And if you didn't do that, then you
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probably don't understand computers.
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>> There's a like weird video game thing
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like that that is the source of every
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major software engineer right now. You
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either botted Runescape, you played
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Garry's mod, you installed Minecraft
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mods. Like there different Roblox is
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going to be the new one.
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>> Uh
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>> I mean my gateway was definitely Android
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and like in flashing ROMs.
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>> Flash that was my gateway to like
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learning technology.
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>> We're in the middle of doing that for
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the Google phone we're setting up right
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now and it's a pain in the neck.
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>> I do have a super super niche version of
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that which I've brought it up I think
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once on this podcast before. I played a
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truck simulator game on PC called 18
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Wheels of Steel
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>> and you could download your own mods
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from these forums. Yeah. And then drop
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into the right folder structure and you
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could have your own custom trucks
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>> and you could change the attributes of
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the truck, get the text file, change the
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engine power, drop that in there. That
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>> what are any of them? Thomas the Tank
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Engine.
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>> I was going to say this is like uh
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Skyrim.
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>> Yeah, there's an amazing Have you seen
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the Skyrim uh with the dragon flying
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down, but it's just Thomas the Tank
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Engine. It's like breathing fire on
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people. Yeah, that is funny though.
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>> Yeah, but file structure no one knows.
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Listen, if you want your computer to go
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faster, find system 32, delete that.
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>> It's going to fly.
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>> Yeah, it is funny actually. I You know
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how the boomers will be like, "Do you
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kids even know what a floppy disc is?" I
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feel like the newer version of that is
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do kids know what a file folder is? Have
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they ever seen a physical file folder?
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>> Well, no one's ever seen a physical file
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folder
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>> like the manil.
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>> Yeah, like manil Oh, like a manila
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folder. You are talking physical folder.
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Yeah. Oh, damn. Yeah. No, probably not.
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>> I mean, yeah. At my first ever job, I
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had to like use a filing cabinet.
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>> Like a filing cabinet.
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>> I I kids probably have never seen file.
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I had a moment like that recently
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because I was thinking about how like in
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our parents' generation like inbox and
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outboxes were a thing. Like you would
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literally have two boxes on your desk.
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Remember there was an inbox and an
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outbox. And it occurred to me that those
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sit on your desktop and I was like
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that's what the it's literature
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the folders sit on the desktop just like
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>> and that's when I realized that every
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desk I've ever owned in my whole life
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had a computer on it. So
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>> yeah and on your desktop it's like your
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desktop is your is your home you know as
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that and everything sits on top of your
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desktop. And then also like it makes
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sense how like the original conception
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of the desktop was things would only
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live there temporarily before you'd move
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it into a your documents folder.
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>> Yeah. Until they realize we're all
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hoarders and desktops are disgusting.
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>> All the older people watching this right
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now are like godamn these
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>> and we're like in our 30s, bro.
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>> I know. I know.
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>> It's like not good. But it's interesting
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the thing you brought up earlier proof
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that I'm actually Jenzie is I learned my
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first scripts and like how to use
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terminal and stuff from Minecraft mods.
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>> Perfect.
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>> Nice.
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>> Incredible.
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>> Cool.
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>> Well, uh, speaking of computers, old
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computers,
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>> Apple did finally officially wait until
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right after we recorded the podcast last
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week to kill the Mac Pro. It was like
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the day after. I've never been more sure
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that they waited till Thursday afternoon
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to take
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>> Who else would care? No one.
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>> Yeah. Um
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>> Thursday afternoon.
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>> Yeah. Afternoon. The afternoon part is
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how I know cuz then we couldn't even do
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a breaking.
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>> Yeah.
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>> So they, you know, they they kept it on
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the site for a while. It was always
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available, but it hasn't gotten updates
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since the M2 generation, M2 Ultra Mac
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Pro. I've had it on my desk. I talked
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about in the in the desk tour that I
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did, which is like this product is
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official is is effectively end of life
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but not officially dead yet. Um, last
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week they officially removed it from the
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Apple store, removed it from their
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website and now they've confirmed I
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think from a statement somewhere, I
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don't remember,
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>> 95 Mac reached out.
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>> Yeah. They said they're they're not
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going to, you know, update it anymore.
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So,
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>> yeah, it felt like they only made that
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product because people had been begging
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for it for so long and it just was very
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useless. No, I Okay, Andrew's giving me
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this look like the Mac. Do
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>> you remember us cheering like everyone
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looked at you in the audience?
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>> I remember that. I remember being at it
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was probably dubdub and they said new
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Mac Pro and I felt everyone turn around.
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>> Yeah. Yeah. You know, the Mac Pro, the
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idea of the Mac Pro is it's basically
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just a bigger enclosure with more
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cooling and PCI expansion. Yeah. And all
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Apple missed on was really facilitating
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this ecosystem of PCI expansion
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accessories. There's a couple. I had an
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OWC SSD. I have that still in my Mac
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Pro. There's some networking cards.
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There's still some GPUs that are
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potentially useful for very specific
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applications like decoding video, but it
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really never materialized as like a
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really vibrant ecosystem because
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Thunderbolt's good and you can just plug
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in basically anything you need via
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Thunderbolt in a Mac Studio and get
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effectively the same thing. PCI is still
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faster, but Thunderbolts really, really
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fast now. So, the market for people who
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can't get it done with Thunderbolt,
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>> but can with a Mac Pro. Yeah,
00:14:46
>> was about three people. I'm not even one
00:14:49
of those people. I could just be using
00:14:50
Thunderbolt. Uh but yeah, the Mac Pro,
00:14:52
I'm sure nobody bought that thing for a
00:14:54
couple years and
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>> it finally was officially uh deceased.
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>> And it was funny because they made the
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version that had the feet and then they
00:15:00
made the version that was supposed to go
00:15:01
in like server centers,
00:15:02
>> the rack. Yeah,
00:15:03
>> the rack version. And it was like, did
00:15:05
anybody buy that for server centers? I
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just don't think
00:15:09
>> I know one person who had a rack mounted
00:15:11
Mac Pro.
00:15:12
>> Did they just buy it for personal use
00:15:13
though and they just happen to buy the
00:15:14
rack mounted version? They they did buy
00:15:16
it for personal use. They bought it as a
00:15:19
touring computer for lighting and video
00:15:21
stuff for like pro, you know, arena
00:15:24
shows. Okay. And it was just way more
00:15:25
convenient to have it rack mounted cuz
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then you could put it directly in a
00:15:29
flight case and get to a venue.
00:15:30
>> You know what's more convenient? A Mac
00:15:32
Studio now.
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>> Yeah.
00:15:34
>> I was going to say, did they do you know
00:15:35
if this person used PCI cards?
00:15:37
>> Yeah. Yeah, they did. Because when
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you're doing like really complex video
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output stuff, um you need like a like
00:15:44
what's called like a deck link from
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Blackmagic is like an example of like a
00:15:47
really intense video IO that Yeah. Yeah.
00:15:49
You guys know we know what you're
00:15:51
talking about.
00:15:51
>> It was just it was a it was a confusing
00:15:53
product the second it switched to Apple
00:15:54
silicon because then now it was like all
00:15:55
this unified memory, no more expandable
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RAM and GPU support was effectively
00:16:00
nothing. But they still have PCI slots
00:16:03
so you could still do some very
00:16:05
specialized stuff. And it was like,
00:16:07
>> I mean, don't you have like 18 terabytes
00:16:08
of of SSD storage?
00:16:10
>> I have a 64 TB PCIe SSD and and I I
00:16:14
speed test it to this day. Like I have a
00:16:16
equivalent Thunderbolt 5 version of the
00:16:18
same thing and it gets three times the
00:16:20
speed from the PCI SSD, but three times
00:16:22
an also very fast speed is still like it
00:16:25
was 9,000 versus 3500. So I was like,
00:16:27
yeah, I
00:16:28
>> I should have been using a Mac Studio
00:16:30
all these years ago, but I'm I was
00:16:31
stubborn. I didn't buy a new one. I
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think when they
00:16:35
>> hopefully soon make the M5 Ultra seems
00:16:37
like what they're gonna do.
00:16:38
>> I've heard it's coming soon.
00:16:40
>> That I think is what I will finally
00:16:41
upgrade to.
00:16:42
>> Yeah.
00:16:42
>> Yeah.
00:16:43
>> Yeah.
00:16:44
>> Just have a Thunderbolt drive.
00:16:45
>> Just Thunderbolt.
00:16:46
>> Yeah.
00:16:47
>> You I mean you almost uh why can't I
00:16:50
think of the word uh manifested this
00:16:53
because like within the month before you
00:16:55
just kept going like I don't think I
00:16:56
need this anymore. I think I could just
00:16:58
use the studio with this and the new
00:16:59
studio monitors and blah blah blah. And
00:17:01
then Apple was like, "Finally, he said
00:17:03
it. Get rid of it."
00:17:04
>> I did the the Studio Display review. It
00:17:08
said Studio is the new Pro. Cuz that
00:17:10
couldn't have been any more clear. They
00:17:11
literally came out with the new Studio
00:17:12
Display XDR and discontinued the Pro
00:17:15
display in the same announcement. And it
00:17:18
was like, "Oh, no more Pro because
00:17:20
Studio is good enough and here's the new
00:17:22
thing." And then the Mac Pro is sitting
00:17:24
over there kind of shaking like, "Yeah,
00:17:26
yeah, that's true." So, we know Mac
00:17:28
Studio is already more than enough for
00:17:30
all of the pros who are using Macs for
00:17:32
all these things. There's a couple who
00:17:34
are still using Pro Displays. There's a
00:17:36
couple who are still using Mac Pros.
00:17:38
They'll still use those things, but it's
00:17:40
like studio is is where it's at.
00:17:42
>> So, yeah.
00:17:43
>> Yeah. Kudos to the 9 to5 Mac people who
00:17:45
made their banner image a Mac Pro upside
00:17:48
down with its little feet up and just
00:17:49
looks like a piece of roadkill.
00:17:52
>> So funny. Um, I also have a quick
00:17:54
question for all of you.
00:17:55
>> Sure. For funsies, I put Marquez's maxed
00:17:57
out M2 Ultra Mac Pro in the tradein
00:18:00
program for Apple. What do you think you
00:18:03
would get back?
00:18:04
>> How much did you buy it for? I It was
00:18:06
over 10 10 racks.
00:18:07
>> Are we doing close this without going?
00:18:08
>> Which is bad considering the
00:18:11
>> It started at$7,000. Yeah, the Intel
00:18:13
ones were
00:18:14
>> 50,000.
00:18:15
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This has It was maxed
00:18:17
out. It had 8 terabytes of storage and
00:18:19
it had 192 gigs of unified memory.
00:18:22
>> I think I spent 13 on it or something.
00:18:25
I don't think Apple's going to give me
00:18:26
very much. I think they would give me
00:18:28
less than five. Probably 3,000.
00:18:29
>> Probably less,
00:18:30
>> I guess. Cuz remember the 50 Wasn't the
00:18:32
$50,000 one I I tried the trade in and
00:18:35
it was like a,000 bucks.
00:18:36
>> I thought those were 500 to I'll recycle
00:18:39
it for you.
00:18:40
>> I think it was a,000 bucks.
00:18:42
>> Was that because Apple silicon had come
00:18:43
out and so the Intel ones were like
00:18:45
useless?
00:18:45
>> Just melted down for metal.
00:18:47
>> Yeah, basically. Yes.
00:18:48
>> For scraps. I think they're gonna give
00:18:50
you
00:18:51
>> a G.
00:18:52
>> $280.
00:18:54
>> That would be insulting. Insane. That's
00:18:56
less than an iPhone.
00:18:57
>> That's how much it takes to ship it.
00:18:58
>> I think they will recycle it for you.
00:19:01
>> I'm going to say a G.
00:19:02
>> I think Marquez is the closest. It is
00:19:05
2,665.
00:19:07
>> That's not It's that bad. I almost
00:19:09
wonder if the tradein program got the
00:19:11
memo that these got discontinued yet.
00:19:13
Um, but
00:19:14
>> I think that price will go down very
00:19:16
fast. Now,
00:19:17
>> how much is an M2 Ultra Max Studio?
00:19:21
>> But that means in 3 years, right? 2023
00:19:24
is when you bought this.
00:19:25
>> So, I'm like, uh, yeah, something like
00:19:27
that.
00:19:27
>> It's a fifth of the value.
00:19:30
>> Yeah.
00:19:31
>> Yeah. You can get that fully loaded.
00:19:33
It's not that crazy.
00:19:34
>> M4 Max Studio for that price.
00:19:37
>> It's still a crazy computer.
00:19:39
>> It's a really good computer. How much
00:19:41
does How much they cost on eBay?
00:19:43
>> The thing is just how good Apple Silicon
00:19:45
keeps getting. remember I benchmarked
00:19:46
them M5 Max MacBook Pro 16inch and it's
00:19:51
the fastest singlethreaded Mac CPU core
00:19:54
ever and it's like most of the stuff you
00:19:57
do that's the thing like most of the
00:19:58
stuff I do on a Mac most of the time is
00:20:00
not editing it's like all the regular
00:20:02
stuff it's writing it's the you know
00:20:04
whether it's thumbnails or like all the
00:20:06
everyday web browsing stuff emails that
00:20:08
I do and then 5% of the time it's really
00:20:10
really heavy video editing so all the
00:20:12
sacrifices that I made in in daily
00:20:14
usability ility to go into video
00:20:17
editing. It's like those probably should
00:20:19
just be two different computers.
00:20:20
>> Yeah.
00:20:21
>> Um and so now, yeah, it's just the new
00:20:25
stuff is good at both.
00:20:25
>> These vary a lot for your spec. They've
00:20:28
sold on eBay for as little as $2,500 and
00:20:31
as high as $7,800. So,
00:20:34
>> I you know, it's funny to complain about
00:20:35
how little Apple would give me for it,
00:20:36
but how much would I pay for that
00:20:38
computer now? I You couldn't I would
00:20:40
never buy it now.
00:20:41
>> Why? Yeah,
00:20:42
>> cuz you could get a way better computer
00:20:44
>> for the Yeah, I guess the RAM is in the
00:20:45
cuz I don't need the PCI expansion in
00:20:47
the next studio. Yeah.
00:20:48
>> Yeah.
00:20:49
>> Damn, that's crazy.
00:20:51
>> See you.
00:20:52
>> See you later.
00:20:52
>> I'm sure there's somewhere that has like
00:20:55
a couple of these doing some very niche
00:20:57
business stuff that would just go buy
00:20:59
this.
00:21:00
>> Yeah. Yeah. I was hoping I think
00:21:01
secretly hoping for like a really sick
00:21:04
video card that would like decode right
00:21:07
burner like an afterburner card. Yeah.
00:21:09
And that just never happened. Al also
00:21:11
like as much as I'm, you know, I love
00:21:13
these big 16-in MacBook Pros, they're
00:21:16
not like thermally perfect, you know
00:21:18
what I mean? Like you do benefit from
00:21:20
having the the big the big what do you
00:21:22
call case? Yeah.
00:21:24
>> Mac Studio.
00:21:25
>> Yeah.
00:21:25
>> Or I was going to say the Mac Pro, like
00:21:27
even though you're not going to get a
00:21:29
chipset that's like, you know, you
00:21:31
probably would still get better speeds
00:21:32
on a thermally throttled 16inch M5 Max,
00:21:35
but I don't know. There's something nice
00:21:38
about knowing your pool. I I would say
00:21:40
the best case scenario for Abba Silicon
00:21:43
today was if they put the highest end
00:21:44
chip in the Mac Pro and just let us let
00:21:46
us cool the crap out of it
00:21:48
>> and do whatever we want,
00:21:50
>> but that's another story.
00:21:52
>> RIP Mac Pro. So, if you're still here
00:21:54
watching this with us, then you probably
00:21:56
like tech, so you should subscribe if
00:21:57
you're uh if you're hanging around here
00:21:59
on whatever podcast platform of choice.
00:22:02
Anyway, this has been a crazy week for
00:22:06
kind of like software development. There
00:22:07
was like a an Axios npm hack earlier
00:22:10
this week. Then Axiom Axiom and thank
00:22:13
you. We were just reading a we were just
00:22:16
reading Axio. That's uh there was an NPM
00:22:18
thing. Whatever. We're not the place for
00:22:20
that. What we are the place for is to
00:22:23
laugh at the fact that Anthropic
00:22:26
accidentally
00:22:27
leaked their own clawed code
00:22:30
to the internet and it is now freely
00:22:33
floating around Twitter. But fair
00:22:36
warning, be careful if you go looking
00:22:37
for this code because if you get caught
00:22:40
with it on your computer or if you're
00:22:41
sharing it or whatever, there's like
00:22:43
legal terms of service things where you
00:22:45
could be sued by Anthropic, which uh we
00:22:48
just found pretty ironic.
00:22:50
>> It's hilarious.
00:22:51
>> You stole our stuff and we stole all the
00:22:53
other stuff.
00:22:53
>> Yeah. Wait, wait, we steal, not you
00:22:56
guys.
00:22:57
>> It's like, no, no, it's not theft if all
00:22:59
you do is train a model on it. But also,
00:23:01
don't train your models on our code.
00:23:03
That's theft. Yeah,
00:23:05
>> by the way,
00:23:06
>> love Claude. Pay for it. Happy with my
00:23:08
$20 a month leaving my bank account. But
00:23:10
still, jokes's on you, buddy. This is
00:23:12
This is dumb.
00:23:13
>> Yeah, I will never feel bad for an AI
00:23:15
company getting anything stolen from
00:23:17
them. Sorry. They have all stolen
00:23:19
everything and they're just like, "The
00:23:20
people do that. It's
00:23:22
>> coming."
00:23:22
>> Yeah. All this stuff is like ongoing.
00:23:24
So, by the time you're listening to
00:23:25
this, there's probably been way more
00:23:26
developments, but just uh be aware.
00:23:28
>> Yeah. But there's some there's some
00:23:30
interesting stuff aside from, you know,
00:23:32
getting to laugh and do the little
00:23:33
jester dance. Like, uh, there's some
00:23:35
interesting stuff in the leak. For
00:23:36
example, um, they were planning this
00:23:38
like thing called Buddy, which was like
00:23:39
a seemed like a Tamagotchi style
00:23:43
interface for Claude.
00:23:45
>> And there were these goofy Do you know
00:23:46
what a distillation attack is?
00:23:48
>> Nope.
00:23:49
>> So, a distillation attack, you take like
00:23:50
a pipsqueak AI and then you take a big
00:23:52
Chad AI and then you take the pipsqueak
00:23:54
AI just prompts the Chad AI over and
00:23:56
over and over again like
00:23:58
>> learns from it. Yeah. And like pays
00:23:59
attention to like how it's doing its
00:24:01
reasoning and then it trains itself on
00:24:03
the kind of reasoning that the chat AI
00:24:04
is doing. And it's a way you can make
00:24:06
something weak like a 13 par 13 million
00:24:09
parameter quen
00:24:11
>> learn from
00:24:13
something like claude opus 4.6
00:24:16
And there were these goofy
00:24:17
anti-distillation
00:24:19
measures in there that would like create
00:24:21
fake API calls that like
00:24:24
>> that so that it would be it would like
00:24:25
poison the training data for like these
00:24:27
distillation attacks.
00:24:28
>> Nice.
00:24:29
>> There's a lot
00:24:30
>> I'm anthropic I'm sorry this happened
00:24:32
but also
00:24:34
>> well moving on to the biggest news of
00:24:36
the week possibly the year possibly the
00:24:38
entire decade. Did you guys create your
00:24:40
email accounts in like 2003?
00:24:42
>> Yes.
00:24:43
>> Yes. Long time ago. or Gmail long.
00:24:45
>> Well, that's the problem. It wasn't
00:24:46
Gmail. All my cringe mails are on
00:24:49
>> AOL.com.
00:24:50
>> AOL, Yahoo, Hotmail,
00:24:52
>> you're not still using them, right?
00:24:53
>> No.
00:24:54
>> Yeah. Okay. Well, Google has just
00:24:57
announced that they are allowing you to
00:24:58
change your email address.
00:25:01
>> Yes. This is a big deal because I have
00:25:04
five email addresses.
00:25:05
>> Oh, boy.
00:25:06
>> Yes. Big deal. So, now um you're able to
00:25:09
change your account username once every
00:25:11
12 months on your Google account. Your
00:25:13
previous address will still be saved as
00:25:15
an alternate email address and can still
00:25:16
be used to sign into your account if you
00:25:18
want. Uh but and you can switch back to
00:25:21
your alternate at any time. So if you
00:25:23
have like memelord72
00:25:25
atgmail.com, you can now become
00:25:28
>> now you can be meme lord 67.
00:25:30
>> That's right. See, I thought this in
00:25:32
along those lines where I have a
00:25:34
professional email account because I had
00:25:36
the foresight when I was a young high
00:25:37
school student to just like use my name.
00:25:39
I want to change it now.
00:25:41
>> Yeah, I know. I'm a nerd. I want to
00:25:42
change it to meme lord 67. What's the
00:25:45
point?
00:25:46
>> Yeah, that's true.
00:25:46
>> So, does this work where like you kind
00:25:48
of have like a a trail now of usernames
00:25:51
and all of them still work? Like you've
00:25:53
had your old username,
00:25:54
>> then you change it to the new username,
00:25:56
but you still get emails if people email
00:25:58
the old username
00:26:00
>> and then a year later you change it
00:26:02
again,
00:26:03
>> you still get both old. I don't know how
00:26:06
that would work. Okay,
00:26:07
>> Google will kill this program before one
00:26:09
year goes by. So, it doesn't matter. Not
00:26:11
sure how that would work, but
00:26:12
>> it just uses email alias. So, I would
00:26:14
assume it would work.
00:26:14
>> It's like mail forwarding pretty much.
00:26:16
>> Start my land grab of all the best email
00:26:18
addresses. Just keep going.
00:26:20
>> But you could do that already by just
00:26:21
creating new Google accounts.
00:26:23
>> Yeah, but then I had to log into each
00:26:24
one of them.
00:26:25
>> Yeah, true.
00:26:26
>> So excited for this.
00:26:27
>> My two questions are one, aren't most of
00:26:30
the reasons we have bad email addresses
00:26:32
because the one we wanted was taken
00:26:34
already? So, like by the time I try and
00:26:36
change it to just Andrew
00:26:37
00:26:39
>> that's probably been taken for 10 years.
00:26:41
I haven't I'll try, but
00:26:42
>> I saw a lot of people on online getting
00:26:44
the ones that they thought were taken
00:26:46
before, but are no longer taken.
00:26:48
>> To be fair, they've probably at this
00:26:49
point purged a lot of
00:26:52
>> inactive accounts. I know Yahoo did that
00:26:54
a while ago, like they just purged a ton
00:26:55
of accounts that weren't used for x
00:26:57
amount of time. Maybe
00:26:58
>> my dream is to just get Adam everywhere
00:27:01
because yes, it is my actual name, but
00:27:03
it is also such a common name that it is
00:27:05
like completely anonymous.
00:27:06
>> Bro, that ain't even going to happen in
00:27:07
your dreams.
00:27:08
>> Every time the new social media app
00:27:09
comes up and I rush in early beta to get
00:27:12
at Adam, there's already someone I guess
00:27:14
internally at the company named Adam.
00:27:16
>> Literally the first guy.
00:27:18
>> It's the first letter of the alphabet.
00:27:20
>> You're
00:27:22
sorry, bro.
00:27:22
>> Uh, did you get it on T2?
00:27:24
>> I did not get it on T2. It was like Adam
00:27:27
348 or something like that.
00:27:28
>> You couldn't get Adam, but Ellis got
00:27:30
dad. That's
00:27:32
>> dad is just God.
00:27:34
>> Um,
00:27:34
>> so I guess he was first. He was before
00:27:36
Adam.
00:27:36
>> My other question on this is
00:27:38
>> dad.
00:27:38
>> There's so many websites that use email
00:27:41
as the username for login. So I'm
00:27:43
assuming the old one still will work.
00:27:45
>> Okay. This is going to break something
00:27:47
along that pipeline somewhere and it's
00:27:50
going to cause major frustration. I was
00:27:52
thinking because I, you know, my
00:27:54
original email address that I ever made,
00:27:56
which is so cringe. It is my login for
00:27:59
everything because
00:28:00
>> I was going to just bully you into
00:28:02
saying it, but maybe you shouldn't.
00:28:03
>> Yeah. No, don't.
00:28:03
>> I will not say it.
00:28:05
>> Andrew, your last name has two L's,
00:28:06
right?
00:28:07
>> Yes.
00:28:07
>> Okay.
00:28:09
>> You have like 30 seconds to get Andrew
00:28:11
Maganelli atgmail.com.
00:28:15
>> Wait, it is available right now?
00:28:16
>> Yeah, I'm I'm claiming it. Oh,
00:28:19
>> is that real? How can I do this? I'll
00:28:20
Okay, I'll show you how to do it.
00:28:22
>> So, go to your Gmail.
00:28:23
>> Wait, not live on the podcast, please.
00:28:25
>> Andrew, I'm kidding. I think you have to
00:28:26
do it on your phone.
00:28:27
>> I mean, I do literally have it up.
00:28:28
>> It actually says it's available.
00:28:30
>> Yeah. Yeah, but I'm not I'm not actually
00:28:32
going to claim it. Claim it before this
00:28:34
episode.
00:28:34
>> Before Yeah. Yeah.
00:28:35
>> Okay.
00:28:36
>> Yeah.
00:28:36
>> I'll do it later.
00:28:37
>> Yeah. My full name was taken by a famous
00:28:39
marine biologist.
00:28:40
>> You use it for logging into everything.
00:28:42
>> I don't remember what I was going to
00:28:43
say. I totally lost my train of thought.
00:28:45
>> Oh, yeah.
00:28:46
>> Okay. Speaking of losing the train of
00:28:49
thought, nothing is gonna make glasses.
00:28:52
What? This is a
00:28:54
>> famous nothing leaker Mark German
00:28:58
wrote an article about nothing
00:29:00
potentially working on smart glasses for
00:29:01
2027.
00:29:02
>> We're like losing the train of plot. Am
00:29:04
I right?
00:29:04
>> Yeah. Everybody is working on glasses
00:29:06
allegedly. Uh
00:29:09
>> hey, I'll I'll go real quick into this.
00:29:11
There's not a ton of information. They
00:29:13
apparently will have built-in cameras,
00:29:14
microphones, and speakers. No display AI
00:29:17
features would be offloaded to your
00:29:18
smartphone in the cloud. Essentially
00:29:19
meta ray bands.
00:29:20
>> Yep. Yeah. But not meta. So there's
00:29:22
that.
00:29:22
>> Yeah. Like they don't need they don't
00:29:25
need glasses. Okay. I I I mean they
00:29:27
don't need cameras cuz I prompt an AI
00:29:30
once every two days minimum. Okay. I'm a
00:29:33
heavy AI user. Never once have I given
00:29:37
it a prompt that required a photograph.
00:29:39
Sure. Sometimes I take screenshots and
00:29:41
include that in my prompt.
00:29:42
>> You've never uploaded a photo?
00:29:44
>> Never. I've uploaded screenshots. I've
00:29:46
uploaded screenshots of my computer
00:29:48
screen, but never once have I ever
00:29:50
needed an AI that the input needed a
00:29:52
photo. And I'm sorry, the only reason
00:29:54
these stupid glasses have cameras is
00:29:56
because they know they're going to sell
00:29:57
all the data they illegally scrape for.
00:29:59
>> While that is true, I think it might
00:30:01
only be you that has never uploaded a
00:30:03
photo to one of these.
00:30:04
>> Also, guys, you can just take pictures
00:30:06
and videos without AI needing to send it
00:30:09
to AI. I want these because there's so
00:30:10
many times
00:30:11
>> your glasses. You can do it with your
00:30:13
phone. if I'm holding Lane with two
00:30:15
hands.
00:30:15
>> Yeah. So, there's a lot of
00:30:17
>> I will just
00:30:19
>> I will remind you that the number one
00:30:21
use case of the Meta Ray-B bands for
00:30:23
most people is first person hands-free
00:30:25
video. It's a thousand% what most people
00:30:27
buy those glasses for.
00:30:28
>> Yeah, they probably don't use the AI
00:30:30
most of the time.
00:30:31
>> There there's like always going to be
00:30:33
the argument of I can do this with my
00:30:34
phone because most stuff that these tiny
00:30:36
computers can do, you have a computer in
00:30:38
your pocket that can do all of that
00:30:39
already. But there's this race for like
00:30:42
putting the thing on your face because
00:30:44
kind of like AI, a lot of them believe
00:30:45
that this is the next frontier of
00:30:47
computing or whatever. And if the
00:30:48
smartphone's going to die and it's going
00:30:49
to be glasses next, well, I better get
00:30:50
in now. So, they're all they're all
00:30:52
trying it. They're all getting in
00:30:53
something on the ground floor to have a
00:30:55
firstg glasses product in the next year.
00:30:57
>> Uh, what will Nothing's advantage be?
00:30:59
Seems like they're going to I mean, they
00:31:01
do design, so they're going to probably
00:31:03
have some fun with design.
00:31:04
>> Do you think Google will announce the
00:31:06
Gemini glasses at IO this year? like
00:31:08
official.
00:31:08
>> I think that would feel about right
00:31:10
because we've heard about this like
00:31:12
being worked on for a while and we've
00:31:13
seen it
00:31:14
>> had demos at IO last year.
00:31:15
>> I think they're very useful. I think the
00:31:17
the feature that I got the most of a
00:31:18
kick out of was like coming out of the
00:31:20
subway or coming off of like like
00:31:22
getting out of a taxi and having maps
00:31:24
navigation like look through the camera
00:31:25
and figure out where you're oriented and
00:31:27
put an arrow where you're supposed to be
00:31:29
going right away. That's super useful.
00:31:32
And I feel like the Google
00:31:33
>> like Google Glass did this in 2012.
00:31:35
Well, Google Glass would not orient it
00:31:38
on the display in front of me. It would
00:31:41
show me like what street I should be
00:31:43
looking for and then I'd look for the
00:31:44
street sign. Not that that's difficult,
00:31:46
but it's just the magic of I pop out and
00:31:48
it's like go this way.
00:31:50
>> Yeah.
00:31:50
>> Pretty sweet. So, like they're going to
00:31:52
all try to come up with their own killer
00:31:53
features and their own reasons for why
00:31:55
you should buy their version.
00:31:57
>> Am I shocked that nothing's making this?
00:31:58
No. Uh they also are the same ones that
00:32:01
were like we don't have to have a
00:32:03
flagship phone every year just because
00:32:04
everyone's doing it.
00:32:06
>> But they got to make glasses though.
00:32:07
>> Yeah. Carl P is also a big big AI guy.
00:32:10
So
00:32:11
>> yeah, but I genuinely believe that if
00:32:12
they release these glasses without any
00:32:15
internet connection and just the ability
00:32:17
to record with glasses, they will sell
00:32:20
just as many.
00:32:20
>> That's true.
00:32:21
>> I agree.
00:32:21
>> I agree with that.
00:32:22
>> I am essentially excited for these
00:32:24
because one, I think nothing does make
00:32:26
cool looking products. I think these
00:32:28
might look pretty cool.
00:32:29
>> They look dorky.
00:32:30
>> I think these are going to be cheaper
00:32:32
because it's nothing, which is like then
00:32:35
I wouldn't feel bad paying that money
00:32:36
because I would just be wearing them as
00:32:38
sunglasses. I'm not the I don't feel
00:32:40
like wearing fake lenses and fake
00:32:41
glasses like indoors for everything. So,
00:32:43
I would just buy these as sunglasses.
00:32:45
>> And honestly, the AI is probably going
00:32:47
to suck cuz it's nothing. So, I don't
00:32:49
care. I just want to take some videos
00:32:51
with lane sometimes, like first person
00:32:53
videos where I can use both my hands and
00:32:56
like this will probably be cheaper. And
00:32:58
also, I'll still give Nothing a ton of
00:33:00
credit for this.
00:33:01
>> Both their new phones has a red
00:33:03
recording light on it. So hopefully
00:33:04
these glasses will have an actual real
00:33:06
recording light so people can tell when
00:33:08
you're recording on glasses.
00:33:10
>> It would be so funny. And it wouldn't
00:33:12
also not surprise me one bit. We're
00:33:14
like, I think appropriately assigning a
00:33:16
lot of the attributes of nothing's
00:33:18
current phones to what we think these
00:33:19
glasses will have.
00:33:20
>> And like the headphones, too. Did you
00:33:22
like the headphone design? I'm trying to
00:33:23
remember.
00:33:24
>> So, I I No, I like the earbud design.
00:33:26
>> The earbud design.
00:33:27
>> The headphone design.
00:33:28
>> So, like
00:33:28
>> it's fine.
00:33:29
>> Most people with glasses on your face,
00:33:32
I'm guessing here, but they kind of want
00:33:33
them to sort of fade away and just like
00:33:35
look like glasses and not draw too much
00:33:36
attention.
00:33:37
>> No, I want glyphs on my
00:33:39
>> I was like cuz there's other people who
00:33:41
would like you could get the transparent
00:33:42
glasses. is you can have the computer
00:33:44
showing and the lights and all this
00:33:45
stuff.
00:33:45
>> Those were the best Meta Ray-B bands.
00:33:47
The clear ones were the best looking
00:33:48
Meta Ray.
00:33:49
>> They were the most hype.
00:33:50
>> I think they were the coolest.
00:33:52
>> Look, what I was just about to say is I
00:33:54
all you people that bought those limited
00:33:55
edition clear ones. I know you think
00:33:57
they look cool. They really
00:33:59
>> sick.
00:33:59
>> They look They're It depends on where
00:34:01
you are. It's very specific to where you
00:34:04
are. If you are walking around a place
00:34:05
where lots of other people have met
00:34:07
Ray-B bands, then it's cool to have the
00:34:09
one that looks a little different.
00:34:11
>> Sure. On Meta's campus. on Meta's campus
00:34:13
mostly is where I was like experiencing
00:34:15
this. But if you're just kind of like
00:34:16
out around in a normal place, having the
00:34:19
computer on your glasses look, computer
00:34:21
on your face look is not as uh
00:34:24
appreciated sometimes.
00:34:26
>> It was like the same thing with Google
00:34:27
Glass. like Google Glass when I was
00:34:29
testing them as a student in in car in
00:34:33
Hoboken, New Jersey. I remember walking
00:34:34
around like Hobok and wearing Google
00:34:36
Glass feeling unbelievably
00:34:38
self-conscious cuz like I I feel
00:34:40
everyone looking at me. I'm wearing a
00:34:42
computer on my face, but like you guys
00:34:44
don't know. Like I got the directions up
00:34:46
here. Like I got the notifications up
00:34:48
here.
00:34:48
>> It's like the meme of the guy in the
00:34:50
corner of the party. They don't know I
00:34:52
have a computer on my face. Yeah, it was
00:34:53
such an isolating like weirdly
00:34:56
antisocial thing.
00:34:58
>> That's what I'm looking for.
00:34:59
>> But now this is going to be the thing
00:35:01
where like if glasses blow up and
00:35:03
everyone has glasses, then the design
00:35:04
actually becomes a part of like why you
00:35:06
might pick one over the other.
00:35:07
>> If I'm just always Well, no, I'll look
00:35:09
like a creep if it's just I was
00:35:10
recording. But if you're recording, no
00:35:11
one's going to want to come up and talk
00:35:12
to me.
00:35:13
>> The design is very important. That's why
00:35:14
Google is partnering with like Gentle
00:35:16
Monster, you know, like Meta did Rayban
00:35:19
there. It's going to be the, you know,
00:35:20
the it's going to be the car phone
00:35:23
collab of of the glasses world.
00:35:25
>> Yeah. And I you you're putting a
00:35:27
computer on their face. Like you need
00:35:28
it. I think everyone has to partner with
00:35:31
some existing like we make glasses
00:35:33
people want to buy company because
00:35:35
>> I just like Google Google learned from
00:35:37
this from Glass already. They had a
00:35:39
compelling product that was not only 15
00:35:41
years too early, but nobody wants to
00:35:42
wear an obvious computer on your face.
00:35:44
Yeah. So, if you just have it in glasses
00:35:46
and it just looks like regular glasses,
00:35:48
you're already at the at the peak of
00:35:50
what people want.
00:35:51
>> Yeah.
00:35:52
>> So, we'll see some of that.
00:35:53
>> Dibs on review unit.
00:35:55
>> Maybe I should go clear. I don't
00:35:58
>> think Yeah. iOS. Uh what? June.
00:36:00
>> It's June.
00:36:01
>> No, sorry. It's May 17th.
00:36:04
>> I'm expecting Android, Gemini, and AI
00:36:08
glasses. It's mostly just AI.
00:36:10
>> Yeah.
00:36:11
>> Yeah. But I mean they showed off the
00:36:13
glasses early last year at IO so I feel
00:36:16
like they got to be ready to launch
00:36:18
them, right?
00:36:20
>> Um not necessarily.
00:36:22
>> I mean sometimes they just show stuff
00:36:23
off.
00:36:24
>> I mean Meta is like eating everybody's
00:36:25
lunch right now. They they they're like
00:36:27
three years ahead of everybody else.
00:36:29
>> It was funny. Meta showed off the stuff
00:36:30
they were working on and then suddenly
00:36:31
it was you could buy it which was crazy.
00:36:34
>> Yeah.
00:36:34
>> So
00:36:35
>> yeah, we'll see.
00:36:36
>> All right.
00:36:36
>> Speaking of Google, quick thing. Uh, we
00:36:39
did see some Pixel 11 leak renders start
00:36:42
to pop out and shocker, a lot of
00:36:46
similarities to the Pixel 10. Like a
00:36:48
lot.
00:36:49
>> No way.
00:36:50
>> Matter of fact, I saw it. I saw it on my
00:36:52
timeline and I thought, "Oh, another
00:36:54
Pixel 10."
00:36:54
>> That's what it looks like. Same color.
00:36:56
>> I honestly just saw thinner bezels and
00:36:59
more RAM. That's all I saw as like
00:37:02
expected new things.
00:37:03
>> What I saw, so it's from Onaks, the CAD
00:37:06
drawings that are then rendered. Um, it
00:37:08
does seem like maybe thinner bezels. It
00:37:10
also will be 0.1 millimeter thinner than
00:37:12
the Pixel 10, but don't get too excited
00:37:14
because the Pixel 9 was already 0.1
00:37:17
millimeter. This is the same dimension
00:37:18
as the Pixel 9, just Pixel 10 had to
00:37:21
maybe be a little thicker because of the
00:37:22
battery or the magnets.
00:37:24
>> 0.1 m.
00:37:25
>> Oh my god.
00:37:26
>> Some of this stuff, and this is really
00:37:27
early and not confirmed,
00:37:30
>> but I'm still seeing people say this is
00:37:31
going to be 128 GB storage. And
00:37:35
>> Google, I promise you, if it comes out
00:37:39
128 gig base storage, same price, I will
00:37:41
do everything in my power to convince
00:37:43
Marquez to give this bust of the year
00:37:45
because it deserves it. I tried real
00:37:47
hard last time, but 16e came out.
00:37:49
>> Yeah, I will lose my
00:37:52
>> I think if this is the same
00:37:53
>> if cuz I'm again assigning what would
00:37:55
happen in the past to the future. I
00:37:57
think if tensor G6 is again
00:37:59
underwhelming and not much of a you know
00:38:02
big improvement from G5 and it's the
00:38:05
same price and it's the same cameras and
00:38:07
it's the same design, same dimensions,
00:38:08
same features and same battery and same
00:38:12
128 gigs of storage. Uh I think that
00:38:15
takes the front for bust of the year so
00:38:18
far. Like what worst deal has come out
00:38:20
so far?
00:38:20
>> Something worse will happen. I guarantee
00:38:22
that.
00:38:22
>> I'm pretty sure it's only April. It's
00:38:24
like we got plenty of time. A lot of
00:38:25
time,
00:38:25
>> but that would be incredibly
00:38:26
disappointing, I would say.
00:38:27
>> Um, I will say, and this is just on the
00:38:29
renders, so nobody really knows, but
00:38:31
people are saying that it doesn't seem
00:38:32
like there's a thermometer sensor on it
00:38:34
anymore.
00:38:35
>> Oh, no.
00:38:36
>> So,
00:38:38
you know, if you were cooking your meat
00:38:39
with your Pixel,
00:38:41
>> then uh RIP to you. Guess you can't do
00:38:44
that anymore.
00:38:45
>> Yeah.
00:38:45
>> I'm surprised it's not already gone.
00:38:47
>> Crazy.
00:38:48
>> I don't want to go. I don't know if it's
00:38:50
actually be 128 gig base, but if it is,
00:38:53
>> we'll see. We'll give him a chance.
00:38:54
We'll give him a chance.
00:38:55
>> If Apple is really the like the budget
00:38:58
or not budget, not budget. I did not say
00:39:00
budget. Price price conscious big player
00:39:03
in the US in 2026,
00:39:05
we've lost the plot.
00:39:06
>> Hey, watch SE 17 Neo iPad.
00:39:11
>> Even just base 17 was great.
00:39:13
>> Base 17. Yeah, sure. Hey,
00:39:15
>> Andrew. Apple shell over here. That's
00:39:17
crazy.
00:39:18
>> Well, you know what's you know what's
00:39:20
the opposite of changing a lot every
00:39:22
time? You know what's super consistent?
00:39:24
>> The thing we do every single time.
00:39:25
>> Trivia.
00:39:27
>> It's consistent that we always get it
00:39:28
wrong.
00:39:29
>> Yes, of course.
00:39:30
>> When we got to do an extravaganza soon,
00:39:32
by the way.
00:39:33
>> Soon. Soon. We had a we had a
00:39:35
conversation about extravaganza
00:39:37
yesterday.
00:39:38
>> Um
00:39:39
>> it's exciting.
00:39:39
>> But it probably we probably won't see an
00:39:42
extravaganza till June. That's when I
00:39:44
think it makes the most sense. So you'll
00:39:46
have many more weeks to stock up on
00:39:48
points.
00:39:48
>> That's what Australia Manifesto told me.
00:39:50
And then it didn't happen till a year
00:39:51
later. I'm going to start studying.
00:39:52
>> There will be there will be another
00:39:54
trivia extravaganza in 2026.
00:39:57
>> It will return in Avengers.
00:39:58
>> Yeah. But we are we are reaching the
00:40:00
point where it's getting really hard to
00:40:03
come up with extravaganza questions cuz
00:40:05
we've done a few too many of them.
00:40:08
>> No.
00:40:09
>> But guys,
00:40:10
>> yes,
00:40:11
>> we just talked about yet another pixel
00:40:14
leak.
00:40:15
Seems like pixels leak more than my
00:40:20
faucet. Yeah, I was going to say I don't
00:40:22
know anything that's notorious for
00:40:23
leaking other than pixels, frankly.
00:40:25
>> Claude code.
00:40:26
>> Um,
00:40:29
sitting right in front of me. But, but,
00:40:32
but
00:40:34
there was an iPhone that didn't just
00:40:37
leak, leaked so badly that Gizmodo was
00:40:41
able to do a full tearown because they
00:40:44
found it left at a bar.
00:40:45
>> Yeah, we know this.
00:40:46
>> Which iPhone was it?
00:40:48
>> Simple. I remember this.
00:40:50
>> Simple questions deserve simple points.
00:40:52
>> There were so many
00:40:54
>> other stories that spiraled out of this
00:40:56
story. This is like an all time.
00:40:58
>> Steve Jobs called this man.
00:41:01
>> Like we'll never we're never going to
00:41:02
get another leak story like this.
00:41:04
>> I don't think so. I think this is the
00:41:05
the penultimate.
00:41:06
>> Yeah. This is what everyone who does
00:41:08
leaks now dreams of.
00:41:10
>> Yeah.
00:41:11
>> The engineer that leaked that phone, he
00:41:15
he vanished in sort of just like a
00:41:18
Yeah.
00:41:19
>> Also, I don't even know if leakers dream
00:41:20
of it cuz didn't they sue the hell out
00:41:22
of the guy who took it from the bar?
00:41:24
>> A lot. Yeah, they definitely sued it.
00:41:27
>> Uh because it was stolen property. They
00:41:28
the police got involved. There's a whole
00:41:30
thing.
00:41:30
>> Those of you who know the story already
00:41:32
know which phone it was.
00:41:33
>> If you don't, you're going to find out.
00:41:35
>> I don't know what it was. I
00:41:37
>> You'll find out by the end of this
00:41:38
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00:41:40
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00:42:59
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00:43:02
have been the title, that Flighty was a
00:43:04
top five app of all time. Unbelievably
00:43:06
useful, super good. If you use it, you
00:43:08
know, and turned out to be kind of a hot
00:43:10
take. There's a lot of people who like a
00:43:12
lot of other apps. I decided it would be
00:43:13
fun if we all, actually, Andrew decided
00:43:15
this. If we all brought our top five
00:43:17
apps to the table,
00:43:19
I want to see if you're really going to
00:43:20
put it in your top five apps when we
00:43:22
make you list your top five. Yeah, I
00:43:23
actually I actually thought about it now
00:43:25
for a while. I went through both I went
00:43:26
through both my iPhone and my Android
00:43:28
phone and I did I really thought about
00:43:29
this and I've got my top five apps and
00:43:31
my honorable mentions.
00:43:32
>> If it's not in the top five flight is
00:43:34
going to be really sad
00:43:37
>> cuz they tweeted about it last week.
00:43:39
>> Really good point. Um I can start it off
00:43:41
if you want.
00:43:42
>> We all I asked everyone to do this. So
00:43:44
that's what we're going to do. We're all
00:43:45
going to do our top five.
00:43:46
>> So there's one question I had about this
00:43:48
cuz you you specified mobile apps, not
00:43:50
desktop apps. Right.
00:43:52
>> Does that include tablet apps?
00:43:55
>> That Yes, cuz that alters my my list.
00:44:00
>> My question on desktop apps is is that
00:44:02
not just software, you know? I guess
00:44:04
it's just like but there's so many like
00:44:06
web apps.
00:44:06
>> I hear app. I think
00:44:08
>> top five progressive web apps of all
00:44:10
time.
00:44:12
>> I also think there's not that many good
00:44:13
apps.
00:44:14
>> The spirit of it in my eyes is really
00:44:16
good.
00:44:16
>> Okay, then I'm going to do only I'm
00:44:17
going to do only phone. So no staff, no
00:44:20
Procreate. Yeah, I was.
00:44:21
>> Okay. Yeah, let's go just mobile phone.
00:44:23
>> Okay.
00:44:24
>> Okay. Top five mobile phone apps. I have
00:44:26
my top five. I'm going to give my
00:44:27
honorable mentions first that just
00:44:28
barely missed my top five.
00:44:31
>> Uh Copilot finance app. There's a lot of
00:44:34
there's a lot of apps like it. Not not
00:44:37
Microsoft C-Pilot.
00:44:38
>> Damn it.
00:44:39
>> Uh there's a lot of apps like it, but
00:44:40
it's just the it's the best one.
00:44:41
>> What is it?
00:44:42
>> It's uh it helps you you log into your
00:44:44
accounts, your bank accounts. You can
00:44:45
see all of your transactions and sort
00:44:47
sort through things, budget through
00:44:48
things, keep keep an eye on it. There's
00:44:50
lots of apps like it, but this is one of
00:44:52
the best ones. In my opinion, it's the
00:44:53
best subscription.
00:44:55
>> Uh I think there's a subscription tier.
00:44:57
I don't want to commit. Let me see.
00:45:00
>> Uh there is a subscription tier. I pay
00:45:01
for it. It's um Is it worth it?
00:45:03
>> It's $9. It was worth it.
00:45:05
>> $9.
00:45:06
>> Mine broke recently and I've been going
00:45:08
back and forth with their support for
00:45:09
about 3 months trying to get it fixed
00:45:12
and they just sort of were like,
00:45:14
>> "Yeah, it doesn't work." And I was just
00:45:15
sort of like,
00:45:16
>> "Neither does my credit card. It's not
00:45:18
my credit card. It's It's stopped
00:45:20
syncing with my Venmo.
00:45:22
>> And so my my Venmo transactions don't
00:45:24
show up in my co-pilot anymore, which is
00:45:26
like not like I can still keep track of
00:45:27
my
00:45:28
>> finances. But it's really annoying that
00:45:30
it worked for years, stopped working,
00:45:32
and they're just sort of like, "No, it's
00:45:34
a backend issue. We just can't fix it."
00:45:35
>> This that's one of those things where
00:45:36
like if the whole point of the app is to
00:45:38
do everything and then it loses one of
00:45:40
them, it
00:45:42
>> I will say I'm still a big fan of
00:45:44
Copilot. It's just
00:45:46
>> the Microsoft in finance. There is a lot
00:45:48
of
00:45:50
extra work in the backend sync stuff. I
00:45:52
happen to know like people who work for
00:45:53
these companies and it is a lot of work.
00:45:55
So yes, stuff does periodically break
00:45:57
with it, but it is super useful to me.
00:45:58
So it's in my honorable mentions.
00:46:00
>> Athletic also makes my honorable
00:46:02
mentions. It essentially takes all of
00:46:04
the data my Apple Watch is collecting
00:46:06
and formats them and displays them in in
00:46:08
different ways. Kind of like Whoop. like
00:46:11
it shows me a lot of the same scores and
00:46:13
like calculates like how much exertion I
00:46:15
can do today, when I should work out,
00:46:17
all these other things, how much sleep
00:46:18
is factoring in. Uh, really useful for
00:46:20
anyone who's an athlete and wants to
00:46:22
keep track of a whole bunch of stuff.
00:46:23
>> $2 a month versus $239 a month.
00:46:26
>> Yeah, this is going to be a theme. A lot
00:46:27
of these are subscriptions.
00:46:28
>> I'm going to yell about Whoop after the
00:46:29
break.
00:46:30
>> $239 a month. No,
00:46:32
>> sorry. A year.
00:46:33
>> Oh, thank God.
00:46:33
>> Yeah, that's still Wait,
00:46:35
>> I'll talk. Trust me, I'm going to yell
00:46:37
about it at the end of this episode. I
00:46:38
have a whole Whoop section. Okay. Yeah.
00:46:40
So, Athletic's good. It's also iPhone
00:46:41
only like co-pilot. Um,
00:46:44
>> Blip. Blip. Uh, I discovered this year
00:46:47
>> already.
00:46:48
>> It's in my honorable mentions. We've
00:46:50
been airdropping things to each other in
00:46:52
the studio for so long and it's kind of
00:46:53
a running joke of of how maybe it's just
00:46:55
the environment we're in. Like, there's
00:46:57
like 20 AirDrop devices within range of
00:46:59
any one of these. So, you open AirDrop
00:47:01
and suddenly things start popping up and
00:47:03
you try to click one and it moves and
00:47:04
you actually get the one you want and
00:47:06
then it doesn't work or it declines even
00:47:08
though they never saw the notification.
00:47:09
Airdrop is just it's supposed to be
00:47:11
great, but it's kind of fidgety in the
00:47:13
studio. And Blip is just it's money
00:47:15
every single time. File transfer app.
00:47:17
Super useful. So, Blips, honorable
00:47:18
mention.
00:47:19
>> Incredible.
00:47:19
>> Geekbench. Uh, I I use it enough and
00:47:23
it's been good for long enough. I'm on
00:47:24
Geekbench 6. I paid for Geekbench Pro. I
00:47:27
regularly use Geekbench in videos. You
00:47:29
guys are familiar with this already.
00:47:30
Geekbench honorable mention. Uh,
00:47:32
YouTube.
00:47:33
>> Where?
00:47:34
>> YouTube.
00:47:35
>> My last honorable mention.
00:47:36
>> Last honorable mention.
00:47:37
>> Oh, honorable mention. Wait, so you're
00:47:38
going to do like 10 apps?
00:47:40
>> These are just ones that are close and I
00:47:41
thought, you know, they have like slight
00:47:42
downsides, didn't make it, but YouTube
00:47:44
is is obviously great.
00:47:46
>> Uh, my top five
00:47:48
in no particular order.
00:47:50
>> What? No, it it literally has to be in
00:47:52
an order.
00:47:53
>> It's not in order.
00:47:54
>> This has to be in order.
00:47:54
>> I can't put these in order.
00:47:55
>> Yes, you can.
00:47:56
>> Does that mean start at five and go up
00:47:58
to one?
00:47:58
>> I can try, but I might I might regret my
00:48:00
top five. All right, number five.
00:48:06
>> Don't edit that. Oh
00:48:08
Um,
00:48:10
okay. Number five, Relay for Reddit,
00:48:12
>> dude.
00:48:13
>> It's an Android app.
00:48:14
>> Yeah.
00:48:15
>> Uh, it's the best Android Reddit app by
00:48:19
a mile.
00:48:20
>> It's so good.
00:48:20
>> It's awesome. It has a paid tier. It's
00:48:23
worth it. If you use Reddit, if you sort
00:48:25
through things, it's just it's super
00:48:27
useful. It's a no question top five
00:48:28
Android app ever. And it's in my top
00:48:30
five.
00:48:31
>> Ways. Ways is kind of not the prettiest
00:48:34
app,
00:48:35
>> but it is one of the most functional.
00:48:37
It's crowdsourced. It has all of your
00:48:39
potholes and all of your closed roads
00:48:41
and all of your routing and everything.
00:48:43
>> Every most of the reason people want
00:48:45
CarPlay is so they could put ways
00:48:48
instead of Google Maps on their car
00:48:49
screen.
00:48:50
>> Ways is goed.
00:48:51
>> Wait, wait. I almost put Google Maps in.
00:48:55
>> Google Maps has everything from ways
00:48:57
now. It's like all officially in it
00:48:59
>> almost.
00:49:00
>> What doesn't it have? a lot of the
00:49:01
smaller like granular like what it's
00:49:04
alerting you about things like Google
00:49:06
will say things like I don't think it
00:49:08
does potholes
00:49:09
>> there's like object and road
00:49:10
>> it does object on road it does
00:49:12
>> I'm not 100% sure about potholes but I
00:49:13
would assume it comes in
00:49:15
>> I've never been in Google map to be fair
00:49:16
I haven't used maps as much lately but
00:49:19
fog bad weather flooding on the road
00:49:22
>> visibility closed roads you know the one
00:49:24
I don't notice which I'm fine with is
00:49:25
the like vehicle stopped on side of road
00:49:28
which on ways is every three miles it
00:49:31
feels like. And
00:49:32
>> it does get annoying and I wish I could
00:49:34
be even more granular with like what it
00:49:35
notifies me about, but I still think
00:49:37
ways is goated.
00:49:38
>> Dude, if a vehicle stopped on your
00:49:39
shoulder, you probably got to go to the
00:49:40
hospital.
00:49:41
>> Jesus Christ.
00:49:42
>> Wait, quick question about these cuz I
00:49:44
was debating using Google Maps in my top
00:49:46
five as well, but that's almost like a
00:49:47
utility to me at this point. Does that
00:49:49
count?
00:49:49
>> If the app is good enough, I think you
00:49:51
should count it.
00:49:52
>> It's kind of like YouTube.
00:49:54
>> Um, number three, Flighty. Flighty. It's
00:49:58
We talked about it last week. If you fly
00:50:00
enough, flighty is unquest. It's like a
00:50:03
ne it's almost a utility.
00:50:04
>> Even if you don't fly enough, like I
00:50:06
just like looking back at passport and
00:50:08
looking at the different places and
00:50:10
trips and stuff.
00:50:10
>> Yeah, the rewind the whole thing.
00:50:12
>> I need someone to convince me that it's
00:50:14
worth it.
00:50:14
>> Flighty.
00:50:15
>> Yeah.
00:50:15
>> Oh my god. Next time you fly,
00:50:17
>> I try get on a trial. You could probably
00:50:19
get like a trial version of it.
00:50:20
>> I used the trial and I was like,
00:50:21
>> did it not blow your mind?
00:50:23
>> This. But I don't
00:50:25
>> I mean it's a great
00:50:26
>> it's great looking. You're going to be
00:50:28
on a flight that gets delayed and you
00:50:29
know from Flighty 45 minutes before
00:50:32
everyone sitting at the gate knows and
00:50:33
you get to rebook your flight before
00:50:35
everyone else does
00:50:36
>> and you're going to go, "Wow, I'm glad I
00:50:37
had FL."
00:50:38
>> Are you speaking from experience?
00:50:39
>> Yes.
00:50:40
>> Literally, that's happened to me.
00:50:41
>> All right.
00:50:42
>> All right. Two more. Um, number two,
00:50:46
>> tick tick.
00:50:48
>> My task.
00:50:48
>> Saw that one coming.
00:50:49
>> You know, there's a lot of task apps
00:50:50
like this. There's a lot of planning
00:50:51
apps. There's a lot of calendar apps.
00:50:53
This is just the one I keep coming back
00:50:55
to and I I do constantly try to switch
00:50:58
to other ones. Super list almost made my
00:51:00
uh my honorable mentions,
00:51:02
>> but Tick Tick is just that goat. It's
00:51:05
just that goat. So, I'm putting that in
00:51:06
my top five. Number one, Carrot Weather.
00:51:10
>> Number one. I and I I'm not like I'm not
00:51:13
locking in the order of my top five, but
00:51:15
Carrot Weather is by such a margin my
00:51:20
most often used weather app that it's
00:51:21
not even it's not even really close.
00:51:23
>> Yeah.
00:51:24
>> Um it has essentially stolen the layout
00:51:27
from Dark Sky, which no one else has
00:51:29
really cloned. I don't know if it's like
00:51:31
not allowed to clone it or if they're
00:51:32
just the only ones bold enough to do it,
00:51:33
but they've one to one cloned the layout
00:51:35
from Dark Sky, which is incredibly
00:51:36
intuitive. The data is super accurate.
00:51:38
The radar is really good. A lot of these
00:51:39
apps are really good. Even then the
00:51:40
radar sucks has good radar, good
00:51:43
multiple sources. It's just a default
00:51:45
app on my phone. It's also unfortunately
00:51:48
iPhone only. But that's my top five.
00:51:50
It's a bunch of iPhone apps and one
00:51:51
Android app. Top five apps of all time.
00:51:54
Tear my list apart. Anybody have any
00:51:55
objections?
00:51:56
>> All right.
00:51:57
>> No YouTube. No YouTube Studio.
00:51:58
>> YouTube is honorable me.
00:52:00
>> YouTube honorable mention. Honorable
00:52:01
mention.
00:52:01
>> YouTube Studios pretty good. It's not It
00:52:05
is It kind of does feel like utility to
00:52:07
me, but yeah, it is. It's good, but it's
00:52:08
not like
00:52:10
>> amazing. I don't know. It's fine. It
00:52:12
does what I want it to. I never really I
00:52:14
I actually don't like editing
00:52:15
descriptions and metadata in the Studio
00:52:18
app because I've had to truncate my
00:52:19
input before. So, I'll have a long
00:52:21
description and then I'll edit it from
00:52:22
the app and I'll hit submit
00:52:24
>> and then I'll view it on the desktop and
00:52:26
it cuts off like after however many
00:52:28
characters.
00:52:29
>> So, I've had issues with the app before.
00:52:31
>> Yeah. There's also some things you can
00:52:32
only do in the YouTube Studio app on
00:52:34
your phone. Like you don't you can only
00:52:36
add thumbnails to shorts in the YouTube
00:52:38
Studio app, right?
00:52:38
>> No, I can only do that in the YouTube
00:52:40
app.
00:52:40
>> The YouTube app.
00:52:41
>> The YouTube Studio app. I can't change
00:52:42
the thumbnail, but when I go into the
00:52:44
YouTube app and go into my videos and
00:52:45
then go to edit, that's where I can
00:52:46
change the thumbnail of a short. Isn't
00:52:48
that weird?
00:52:49
>> You think they have for Google?
00:52:50
>> Oh, I guess they do. I swear it
00:52:52
sometimes feels like YouTube doesn't
00:52:53
have that many actual creators on their
00:52:55
platform because the amount of things
00:52:56
that are just broken for
00:52:59
>> Yeah. Well, they have different teams
00:53:01
for YouTube Studio and YouTube.
00:53:02
>> Where's the chapters?
00:53:03
>> Probably different buildings. Yeah,
00:53:04
probably chapters.
00:53:06
>> I know you're out. I know there's
00:53:07
creators out there. We know one of them
00:53:09
very well, but like
00:53:10
>> Yeah, if they add chapters, I'd add this
00:53:12
to my
00:53:13
>> If you
00:53:15
>> justice for chapters UI.
00:53:17
>> Yeah, actually just add a UI for
00:53:19
chapters, please.
00:53:20
>> Yeah,
00:53:20
>> like a real one.
00:53:22
>> Yeah.
00:53:22
>> Like why why wouldn't you do that? Yeah,
00:53:24
I I I found out recently that it really
00:53:27
really helps to add chapters because
00:53:28
then Google search can index the
00:53:31
chapters so that when you some someone
00:53:33
asks a question on Google search, it'll
00:53:35
bring you to the exact spot because it
00:53:37
knows what the chapter was about.
00:53:38
>> Huge.
00:53:39
>> It's helpful. And yet you still have to
00:53:41
just put timestamps in the description
00:53:43
and then it breaks 85% of the time.
00:53:46
>> Talk about breaks a lot.
00:53:47
>> We do it every week.
00:53:48
>> Every week on this podcast.
00:53:49
>> Every week.
00:53:50
>> And what is the number one tweak getting
00:53:52
sent to us? chapters. Why are there no
00:53:55
chapters?
00:53:55
>> Our comment section backs us up now at
00:53:57
least. Usually now it's like
00:53:59
>> this is great. Chapters working as of
00:54:02
time.
00:54:02
>> If if you see somebody and they're
00:54:04
complaining about us not having
00:54:06
chapters, please tell them what's going
00:54:08
on. Please inform them, educate them.
00:54:10
>> So there it is. That's my list.
00:54:12
>> Okay. I have two honorable mentions.
00:54:15
>> Number one of the honorable mentions,
00:54:17
Google Opinion Rewards.
00:54:19
>> Oh, okay. That's a good one. a deep cut
00:54:23
>> all time. Deep cut. That's really
00:54:25
awesome.
00:54:25
>> Um, if you don't know what Google Penny
00:54:27
Rewards is, it's been around since like
00:54:29
2010. It's freaking amazing. It came out
00:54:32
very soon after Android came out. Um, it
00:54:35
will periodically based on your search
00:54:37
data, based on other things, location
00:54:39
data, whatever, send you a little
00:54:42
survey. And it's usually one to
00:54:44
sometimes it can be up to like 12
00:54:45
questions. Weirdly enough, it so it pays
00:54:48
you money, which is cool. Uh, weirdly
00:54:50
enough, it pays you based on the amount
00:54:51
of questions you answered. So, if you
00:54:53
just lie to it, it'll keep giving you
00:54:55
more questions. Don't do that.
00:54:56
>> I don't do that. Um, but the only app
00:55:00
that I have a subscription for on my
00:55:03
phone that isn't part of like a family
00:55:05
bundle or something is the Pokemon
00:55:07
Trading Card Game app. Um, and Google
00:55:10
Pen Rewards pays for my subscription for
00:55:12
that, which is pretty awesome.
00:55:14
>> That's the only app you have a
00:55:15
subscription for?
00:55:16
>> Uh, that isn't part of like a family
00:55:18
plan. Oh,
00:55:19
>> so like I have a Google family plan,
00:55:21
>> YouTube
00:55:22
>> that has YouTube premium in it.
00:55:23
>> Spotify
00:55:24
>> I don't I don't have Spotify YouTube
00:55:26
music which is part of the family plan.
00:55:28
And then I have the Apple one family
00:55:30
plan which also comes with Apple Music
00:55:32
that kind of stuff but I don't we talked
00:55:34
about this in the car at Southby or
00:55:36
something. I only have like one
00:55:39
subscription that isn't part of other
00:55:42
stuff. Yeah, I'm I'm terrified of
00:55:44
subscriptions. Anyway, honorable
00:55:47
mention. If you're not using Go Open
00:55:48
Rewards, you should be using it because
00:55:50
it gives you at least one like every
00:55:52
couple of days. Sometimes it gives you
00:55:53
like five. Yeah, most people forgot it
00:55:56
was still around.
00:55:57
>> Other thing, if you have multiple
00:55:58
phones,
00:56:00
>> you can set it up on the same account
00:56:02
with multiple phones and it'll serve you
00:56:04
like multiple. It's crazy. I mean, I
00:56:06
don't do that.
00:56:08
>> Bitcoin farming.
00:56:09
>> I know. I don't do that. But anyway,
00:56:11
it's it's great. Okay, honorable mention
00:56:13
number two. Mhm.
00:56:14
>> Telegram.
00:56:16
>> I know. Okay. The stickers and the the
00:56:20
emoji are all animated. It's so awesome.
00:56:23
It's so amazing. Telegram is
00:56:25
crossplatform. It's got a desktop app.
00:56:28
It's got a
00:56:29
>> bots anywhere.
00:56:30
>> It's amazing. Well, I I pay Oh, I Oh,
00:56:35
>> we didn't even make it one app further.
00:56:37
>> No, I realize I do have another
00:56:39
subscription. It's Telegram Premium.
00:56:40
>> Wow. cuz it's like $20 a year, but it
00:56:42
completely removes the porn apps, porn
00:56:44
bots.
00:56:45
>> It makes it usable basically.
00:56:46
>> Yeah. It makes it usable because there
00:56:48
is a feature in Telegram Premium where
00:56:51
you can charge people to message you if
00:56:53
they're not in your contacts already.
00:56:55
>> Wow.
00:56:55
>> Yeah. So, it's like you can spam me, but
00:56:58
you got to pay.
00:56:59
>> Wow.
00:57:00
>> You know, which is pretty cool.
00:57:01
>> No one has ever paid. Uh, okay. Now,
00:57:04
we're on to the actual apps. And this
00:57:08
might be a a top five like in order of
00:57:11
action.
00:57:11
>> You made me You made me pick a five.
00:57:12
>> I didn't. Andrew did. Okay.
00:57:14
>> Yeah.
00:57:14
>> Yeah. That's right.
00:57:16
>> Number five. Libby.
00:57:18
>> I had that on mine, too.
00:57:20
>> You can use it.
00:57:20
>> No, I took it off. It's fine.
00:57:22
>> Uh Libby is great. It is a library app.
00:57:24
It's so good in New York City. It's
00:57:26
amazing because we have three public
00:57:27
libraries and you can get a library card
00:57:30
for all three of them. And Libby will
00:57:33
let you rent ebooks. It will let you
00:57:35
rent audiobooks. Um, it just has so many
00:57:38
resources. I think you might get like a
00:57:40
free New York Times subscription if you
00:57:41
part of the Brooklyn Public Library or
00:57:43
something. It's pretty awesome. So, it's
00:57:45
a great app and I can't believe it's
00:57:47
free. Very cool. Number four, Relay for
00:57:50
Reddit. Uh, also I used Relay for so so
00:57:54
so long and eventually they did go
00:57:56
subscription because of the Reddit
00:57:58
apocalypse. Yep. Um, my honorable
00:58:00
mention for Reddit would be obviously
00:58:03
Christian Saligap, Apollo,
00:58:06
>> rest in pieces. Uh, number three, Nova
00:58:09
Launcher.
00:58:10
>> Oh,
00:58:11
>> yeah.
00:58:11
>> Yeah, that is an app.
00:58:13
>> Yeah, I think uh
00:58:14
>> RIP.
00:58:15
>> I was looking at cuz I was just trying
00:58:17
to rack my brain this morning for like
00:58:19
what are the most popular apps, you
00:58:21
know, Nova Launcher is one of the most
00:58:23
downloaded apps of all time
00:58:24
>> with over 5 million downloads. I could
00:58:26
see that because of all time there was
00:58:28
such a long period of like the last 15
00:58:31
years where everyone who didn't have a
00:58:33
Google phone but wanted a better
00:58:35
launcher like all the TouchWiz phones
00:58:37
that's the first thing I installed on
00:58:38
all those phones.
00:58:39
>> Yeah, totally.
00:58:39
>> And a lot of people did the same thing.
00:58:41
>> Totally so good. Uh number two,
00:58:44
Viewfinder Preview. This is an app that
00:58:46
I use to frame my film photos for when
00:58:50
my cameras don't have viewfinders,
00:58:52
>> uh like my 3D printed cameras. It's
00:58:54
really, really good. You can do various
00:58:56
different aspect ratios. You can test
00:58:59
things. You can take sample pictures
00:59:00
with it. It's super basic, but I use it
00:59:03
literally every week and I've been using
00:59:05
it every week for like six years. So, I
00:59:07
think it's worth being in my top five.
00:59:09
>> Number one for me, Pocketcasts.
00:59:12
I think uh I think PocketCast is
00:59:15
probably the greatest app ever made.
00:59:16
>> Wow.
00:59:17
>> It's really really old.
00:59:18
>> Multiplatform.
00:59:19
>> It's multiplatform. It has a web app. Uh
00:59:22
it has been passed around. owned. It
00:59:24
used to be owned by NPR for a while. Now
00:59:26
it's owned by uh what are they called?
00:59:29
The people that do make work automatic.
00:59:32
Uh but it is a really insanely good UI.
00:59:35
>> You don't pay for plus.
00:59:37
>> So the thing about it and No, I don't.
00:59:41
>> I bought it for $7 in 201
00:59:45
12 or whenever cuz they had a one time
00:59:47
cuz subscriptions were not very popular
00:59:49
back then. Mhm.
00:59:50
>> So, I bought it for $7 and then when I
00:59:51
switched to subscription, anyone who had
00:59:53
bought it for $7 got the pro version for
00:59:56
free for life.
00:59:57
>> Nice.
00:59:57
>> So, I'm grandfathered in. So, I actually
00:59:59
don't know what the free version of
01:00:01
Pocketcast is like. So, I'm sorry if it
01:00:04
sucks,
01:00:05
>> but uh I just think it's just
01:00:07
>> it's pretty good. You just can't do like
01:00:08
folders.
01:00:08
>> Insanely good podcast app.
01:00:10
>> Why would you need that?
01:00:12
>> That's the best. That's a good app
01:00:14
though is when like the subscription
01:00:16
thing is really for a power user, but
01:00:18
the free version gives you like 90% of
01:00:20
what it is already.
01:00:21
>> Totally.
01:00:22
>> That's a good app.
01:00:23
>> So, not as exciting as Marquez's weather
01:00:25
apps, but agreed. Yeah.
01:00:28
>> What do you got, Andrew?
01:00:29
>> All right, let's go. Number five. No
01:00:32
honorable mentions here. If it is not in
01:00:33
this list, it's a dog water app. Um,
01:00:36
>> wow.
01:00:38
>> Number five, Taco Bell.
01:00:40
>> Oh my.
01:00:41
>> What?
01:00:41
>> Okay. I don't actually use it that much.
01:00:43
>> Is that good?
01:00:44
>> The app is actually pretty solid.
01:00:46
>> You're not jaded by the restaurant.
01:00:47
>> I usually I'm totally jaded by the
01:00:50
restaurant. But
01:00:50
>> why are you jaded by the restaurant?
01:00:52
>> Or I'm uh shilling for the restaurant. I
01:00:55
don't know. Like I like this app because
01:00:56
of the restaurant,
01:00:57
>> of course.
01:00:58
>> But Taco Bell has the most times that I
01:01:00
want to add things onto
01:01:03
>> like different items, and I am way too
01:01:05
embarrassed to say that in the
01:01:06
drive-thru. Therefore, this is the app
01:01:08
that I use out of all of them. I'm a
01:01:10
plus potatoes plus jalapenos plus this
01:01:13
minus that whatever. I ain't saying all
01:01:15
that in the drive-thru because there's
01:01:16
no way it gets it right app. Dude, it's
01:01:19
it's the only fast food app that works
01:01:22
100% of the time. There's no upsell pop
01:01:24
out. Like all other fast food
01:01:26
restaurants, their apps are like so
01:01:29
brutally
01:01:30
>> just unusable. And I mean I say unusable
01:01:33
from like the I'm spoiled like it just
01:01:35
things are kind of slow and choppy but
01:01:37
still it's like
01:01:38
>> or they send you like 8,000 push
01:01:40
notifications every single day.
01:01:42
>> They all do. I'm sure Taco Bells does.
01:01:43
It sends you notifications.
01:01:44
>> I disable notifications on every single
01:01:46
app that I did that too.
01:01:48
>> The McDonald's app, dude. Like a fifth
01:01:50
of the time it'll just only show you the
01:01:53
breakfast menu and it's not breakfast
01:01:54
time so you just can't order it. And
01:01:57
it's like this should be the easiest
01:01:59
thing to figure out as an what time is
01:02:01
it not breakfast. McDonald's only do
01:02:04
breakfast between certain times.
01:02:05
>> I don't know. I'm sorry. You really
01:02:07
struck a cord here.
01:02:08
>> No. No. Well, Taco Bells has got to be
01:02:10
easy because there's only essentially
01:02:11
seven ingredients on the entire menu and
01:02:14
>> it's just a different version of that.
01:02:16
>> Can we talk about the Popeyes thing on
01:02:17
the podcast? Probably.
01:02:18
>> No. Don't. No. We don't want people to
01:02:20
know about those.
01:02:20
>> All right. Never mind.
01:02:21
>> I have no idea what they're talking
01:02:23
about, but that's okay. Number four. I
01:02:26
don't use, but I'm gonna hype it up
01:02:28
anyways.
01:02:29
>> Interesting.
01:02:30
>> Old school Runescape app. This is a game
01:02:32
that has been around for so long that is
01:02:35
the most simple web browser game from
01:02:37
like 2007. They relaunched it years ago.
01:02:41
They're still updating this game. It has
01:02:43
a huge user base and because it's so
01:02:45
simple, it makes sense on an iPad or a
01:02:48
phone. The other thing about it is it is
01:02:50
the most grind inensive, time consuming,
01:02:54
afkable
01:02:56
like game possible that being able to go
01:02:59
on your computer and do different like
01:03:02
boss battles or quests or stuff that are
01:03:03
more intensive and then just wood cut to
01:03:06
99 on your phone without paying
01:03:08
attention is perfect. Now you don't have
01:03:09
to
01:03:10
>> like having an extra job. It basically
01:03:12
is, but this lets Runescape people go
01:03:15
outside because now you can still grind
01:03:17
XP and touch this, touch grass. Yeah,
01:03:21
>> very important.
01:03:22
>> Although I was also looking this has
01:03:24
like 5 million plus downloads on the
01:03:26
Play Store.
01:03:26
>> Oh,
01:03:27
>> great rating except apparently like
01:03:29
within the last month is the login's
01:03:31
completely broken on Android. So,
01:03:33
>> uh, Jagex, if you're listening, fix
01:03:36
that. For the homies out there, I still
01:03:38
don't even play the game. I just watch a
01:03:40
lot of content about it. But
01:03:41
>> the the app seems awesome. Number three,
01:03:44
Blip. Blip has changed everything we've
01:03:46
done here. The amount of times I've had
01:03:48
to pull stuff off of phones to then send
01:03:51
to Marquez's Mac Pro to be like in a
01:03:55
video or something. Blip has helped that
01:03:57
so much.
01:03:57
>> Everyone's so hyped on Blip, but
01:03:58
nobody's ever blipped me anything. So,
01:04:00
why is this better than AirDrop again?
01:04:02
Can you explain?
01:04:03
>> Cross platform.
01:04:04
>> Cross platform.
01:04:04
>> Yeah, but different works every time.
01:04:07
>> You can blip someone something from
01:04:08
across the country.
01:04:09
>> Oh, really? It's all it's not Wi-Fi
01:04:11
dependent. It's just you just send it.
01:04:14
>> It checks to see if you're on the same
01:04:15
network as someone and if you are, it
01:04:18
just does like local, you know, but if
01:04:20
you're not, it goes P2P over the
01:04:23
internet.
01:04:24
>> So, it's not it's just dependent on your
01:04:26
actual connections. Like you don't like
01:04:28
it's not like, oh, Dropbox is a really
01:04:29
slow server, so I'm No, it's just
01:04:32
>> 50 to 60 megabytes per second across the
01:04:34
country.
01:04:35
>> Is there a file size limit?
01:04:36
>> Not that I've found.
01:04:37
>> That's crazy. I blip I blip myself the
01:04:40
10 gigabyte uh pod audio after every
01:04:44
>> session.
01:04:45
>> No file size limit.
01:04:46
>> That's crazy.
01:04:48
>> Blip is awesome. I'm a Blip uh
01:04:50
evangelist.
01:04:52
>> Yeah, I'm full on Blip. If there's Blip
01:04:54
merch, I'll buy Blip.
01:04:57
>> I'll wear it.
01:04:57
>> No joke. Rufus really put us on that
01:04:59
one. That's great.
01:05:00
>> Number two, Google Tasks. Y'all changed
01:05:03
me. Wow.
01:05:05
>> Google Tasks may have like legitimately
01:05:07
changed my life.
01:05:08
>> That's crazy.
01:05:09
>> I I will also argue that the simplicity
01:05:12
of it
01:05:12
>> has maybe helped me because I remember
01:05:15
David Pierce, which we should bring back
01:05:16
on again. I know he mentioned that
01:05:18
recently on like threads
01:05:19
>> wants to come back.
01:05:19
>> Um it sounds like he just wants to talk
01:05:21
about productivity apps. That episode
01:05:23
did great. So come join us, David. Uh
01:05:27
>> but like being I just have to type it in
01:05:29
every time. H at this point, a third of
01:05:32
the time, like I just do the the task
01:05:34
before it even pops up because I typed
01:05:36
it in, which like in my brain had me
01:05:39
remember it.
01:05:40
>> Um, it works great with that. It works
01:05:41
great with just uh Android Auto being
01:05:43
able to like
01:05:44
>> remind me, do it in one hour when I get
01:05:47
to work with all voice, not hands off
01:05:49
the wheel at all. Like,
01:05:51
>> yeah, it's changed my life.
01:05:52
>> You saying that is going to end up at
01:05:54
Google IO this year. No one at
01:05:56
>> Andrew Manganelli
01:05:58
has changed my life.
01:06:00
>> Next quote,
01:06:02
>> 128 gigabytes, I will ruin you.
01:06:06
>> Um, and then my number one is the most
01:06:08
niche one possible, but as a disc golf
01:06:11
player, Udisk is exactly what I was
01:06:13
talking about before of the free version
01:06:14
of this app. Gives you 90% of the things
01:06:17
to either find a disc golf course,
01:06:19
record your score, do pretty much
01:06:21
anything disc golf related. It is a
01:06:23
super cheap sport anyone can do. If you
01:06:25
want to find a course near you, it's on
01:06:27
there. Um, my favorite thing about it is
01:06:30
every year they release this giant post
01:06:33
about how many people are playing in how
01:06:35
many different countries. And it's
01:06:36
essentially just so people can use that
01:06:38
data to give to their local townships to
01:06:41
build more disc golf courses. Um, and if
01:06:44
at any point you want to request the
01:06:45
data, you can just reach out to them and
01:06:47
do it to try and build more community
01:06:49
building things. So, people who run that
01:06:51
app are great. The app itself is great.
01:06:54
>> There there's a $30 a year subscription
01:06:56
if you want some like really premium
01:06:58
things like getting it on my Garmin
01:06:59
watch. Other than that, it's free.
01:07:02
>> Great app.
01:07:02
>> Cool.
01:07:03
>> Nice.
01:07:04
>> Very nice.
01:07:04
>> Play disc golf.
01:07:05
>> I'll go next. So, first two
01:07:09
uh honorable mentions.
01:07:11
>> Okay.
01:07:11
>> Specifically because I'm on Android now,
01:07:14
so they're iOS only.
01:07:15
>> One of them being Flighty like RZ
01:07:17
mentioned. I miss
01:07:18
>> All right, I'll download it. All right,
01:07:19
I'll download it.
01:07:20
>> Flight is great. There's a crossplatform
01:07:21
one by air that's also really good, but
01:07:23
it doesn't have the new airport
01:07:25
intelligence feature that Flighty just
01:07:26
dropped.
01:07:27
>> That is fire.
01:07:28
>> Yeah. So, Flight is Flight is goated. Uh
01:07:30
the other one is Gentler Streak, which
01:07:32
was the fitness app that I was using on
01:07:34
Apple with my Apple Watch Ultra. It was
01:07:36
awesome. Miss it, but now I'm on
01:07:38
Android, so
01:07:39
>> it is what it is. But number five for me
01:07:43
is KWGT, which is like a widget app on
01:07:47
Android. It's been around for a minute.
01:07:49
That's a good one.
01:07:50
>> And that thing I've customized so many
01:07:52
home screens. It lets you do basically
01:07:54
>> What is it called?
01:07:55
>> Powerful. KWGT.
01:07:56
>> What does it stand for?
01:07:57
>> Great question. No idea.
01:07:58
>> It's It's K widget.
01:08:00
>> Custom widget maker
01:08:02
>> but with a K. Custom with a K.
01:08:04
>> I've never heard of that.
01:08:04
>> Yeah, it's awesome. Uh if you Well,
01:08:06
whenever you get back on Android, David,
01:08:09
Mr. iPhone only over there. Uh download
01:08:11
it. It's It's really cool. It's a little
01:08:13
confusing. There's like a little
01:08:14
learning curve, but there's such a good
01:08:15
community behind it where you could just
01:08:17
like import widgets that other people
01:08:19
made and it's awesome.
01:08:20
>> That's most of what I did. Like there's
01:08:21
some incredibly complex widgets where
01:08:23
I'd import it and I'd be like, "What if
01:08:24
I just tweak this other and I break it?"
01:08:25
I'm like, "You know what?
01:08:26
>> I'm just going to leave it." It was
01:08:28
fine.
01:08:29
>> Yeah.
01:08:29
>> Uh number four is Duolingo. Just because
01:08:32
even though I still suck at speaking
01:08:34
other languages, it's just it changed
01:08:36
everything. Like gamifying apps started
01:08:39
I think because of Duolingo. The widget
01:08:40
is awesome. it. What happened to Andrew?
01:08:43
You look like you're about to say
01:08:44
>> I thought you said dual like du lingo or
01:08:48
no no no d e l lingo and I was like do
01:08:50
they have like a battle royale version
01:08:52
can't speak English. It's funny speaking
01:08:54
about language absence.
01:08:55
>> No but if you're gifying languages they
01:08:57
should make a a foreign language battle
01:09:00
royale game where
01:09:01
>> dual lingo
01:09:02
>> duel
01:09:02
>> dueling dual lingo. It's time to duel.
01:09:05
You just have to like curse at other
01:09:07
people.
01:09:07
>> I know that Green Owl is listening. Send
01:09:09
it. Yeah, their their whole team is
01:09:11
killing it with the marketing. So, uh,
01:09:13
number three is an app that I just found
01:09:15
and it's already in like my top all
01:09:17
time. It's called Stellarium. It's
01:09:19
having like a moment on TikTok
01:09:20
basically, but it is a, you know, those
01:09:22
old apps that uses like the
01:09:24
accelerometer on the phone and stuff to
01:09:25
like see the stars and stuff like that.
01:09:27
It lets you zoom in and I immediately
01:09:29
paid for the pro version because you get
01:09:31
high version high res images of planets
01:09:34
and stars and stuff. So, as you look
01:09:37
around, you can zoom in on planets and
01:09:39
see actual like images. It's It's super
01:09:42
dope.
01:09:42
>> Did you download this like two weeks ago
01:09:44
when we were talking about it at getting
01:09:46
water?
01:09:46
>> Oh, no, no, no. I downloaded it like two
01:09:48
weeks ago because I was seeing someone
01:09:50
on it was going viral like on TikTok or
01:09:53
something
01:09:53
>> and someone was like zooming into a
01:09:55
picture and I was like, "What the hell?"
01:09:56
And then I checked the comments and they
01:09:58
were like, "Yeah, this isn't a
01:09:58
telescope. This is an app." And I
01:10:00
immediately downloaded it.
01:10:01
>> Their I just Googled it and their web
01:10:03
app is unbelievable. Oh, I didn't even
01:10:04
know they had a web app. Do I lift my
01:10:07
computer up into the sky?
01:10:08
>> No, he just But I found a Starlink.
01:10:12
>> That would be crazy.
01:10:12
>> That's wild. Okay, that's good.
01:10:14
>> My number two app is an app called Story
01:10:16
Graph, which is basically Goodreads from
01:10:19
Amazon, but by an independent maker.
01:10:21
Super awesome app. They have a lot of
01:10:23
good features that uh Goodreads doesn't
01:10:25
have because Goodreads got purchased by
01:10:27
Amazon and Amazon forgot it existed and
01:10:28
just hasn't done anything with it for a
01:10:30
decade. So
01:10:31
>> classic. Good readads I think is the one
01:10:32
that everyone uses just because of like
01:10:34
the social graph effect and everything
01:10:36
but highly recommend getting on story
01:10:38
graph. Jess, my fiance has found so many
01:10:40
great books because like their
01:10:41
recommendation algorithm is just
01:10:42
amazing.
01:10:43
>> Uh and my number one app is Obsidian
01:10:47
because I'm a big notetaker guy and
01:10:50
Obsidian is super complex and super like
01:10:53
you can do a lot with it. It is like a
01:10:55
local first note-taking app for desktop
01:10:58
and Android and iOS and all this stuff.
01:11:01
But I'm surprised at how much I get on
01:11:04
my phone for things that I thought would
01:11:07
like not look right or like not format
01:11:09
correctly or something like that.
01:11:11
>> Um because I used to be an Android I
01:11:14
mean Android Apple Notes or Samsung
01:11:16
Notes guy, but obviously they're locked
01:11:18
into an ecosystem. I'm trying to like
01:11:20
pick apps that go between everything.
01:11:23
Uh, and I use the I think it's called
01:11:25
Forever Notes, which is like an Apple
01:11:27
notes taking system that lets you link
01:11:29
between notes to make Apple notes way
01:11:30
more powerful. It's a whole thing, but I
01:11:32
replicated that in Obsidian. So now
01:11:34
basically everything that I need in my
01:11:36
life is in Obsidian. So I use Obsidian
01:11:38
all the time, and I'm always surprised
01:11:40
at how much I'm actually able to do on
01:11:43
it, especially in Dex mode,
01:11:46
>> you know.
01:11:47
>> And now the moments you've all been
01:11:48
waiting for. Top apps from a one Mr.
01:11:51
Ellis Roen.
01:11:54
All right. So guys, as you know, for a
01:11:57
long time, iPhone 12 mini, I couldn't
01:12:00
install apps on it.
01:12:03
December 2025, I get a new phone. So,
01:12:06
I've been using apps now for 3 months.
01:12:09
>> This is huge. Okay.
01:12:10
>> Huge.
01:12:11
>> I have a few honorable mentions
01:12:14
because I have very fond memories of
01:12:18
apps I used in my childhood on the iPod
01:12:20
touch. Uh just because I feel like that
01:12:22
was like a really golden era of like
01:12:24
weird dinky apps like
01:12:25
>> Yeah.
01:12:26
>> Um
01:12:26
>> the beer app
01:12:27
>> when we were backstage.
01:12:29
>> Yeah. Well, I was Yeah. So the beer app
01:12:31
because I was gonna bring up back being
01:12:32
backstage at uh at South by Southwest. I
01:12:35
installed the beer app on the office
01:12:37
iPad and chugged giant beers in front of
01:12:40
all you guys and you laughed. Um,
01:12:43
another
01:12:45
another honorable mention for me that I
01:12:47
don't think is still in the app store,
01:12:49
and if it is, it's like a shell of its
01:12:51
former self. Do you guys remember Urban
01:12:52
Spoon?
01:12:53
>> Oh, yeah.
01:12:54
>> Yeah.
01:12:55
>> I loved Urban Spoon.
01:12:57
>> A restaurant I went to once.
01:12:58
>> Or no, Urban Spoon was a restaurant slot
01:13:01
machine where you entered in how much
01:13:02
money you wanted to spend. It would go,
01:13:04
>> what?
01:13:04
>> Yeah. And then it would give you a
01:13:06
restaurant near you and you'd be like,
01:13:07
"That's where eat, I guess."
01:13:08
>> My nightmare. That reminds me, do do you
01:13:10
know the app Too Good to Go?
01:13:12
>> Yeah.
01:13:12
>> Yeah. Too good to Go is kind of like
01:13:14
that, too. It just tells you the
01:13:15
restaurants that are closing and they'll
01:13:17
get rid of they'll just be getting rid
01:13:18
of stuff and you can get like really big
01:13:20
meals for $7 or you can get miso soup
01:13:23
for $7. It's they you don't know what
01:13:25
they're going to give you. It's very
01:13:26
random.
01:13:27
>> Okay, but Ellis's top five. Are you
01:13:30
ready?
01:13:30
>> I'm ready. Yep.
01:13:31
>> Number five,
01:13:32
>> Blip.
01:13:34
>> No, I did not include Blip on here even
01:13:36
though it's just phenomenal. Um, but
01:13:38
number five, discs. It's number five
01:13:42
because please integrate the blog posts
01:13:46
with the app. I hate that when I click
01:13:47
on a blog post, it opens my browser.
01:13:50
>> Wait, what is it?
01:13:51
>> Disogs is like Goodreads/letterbox
01:13:54
but for music. So like you can keep
01:13:56
track it but it's a few other things
01:13:58
like so you can like log your record
01:14:00
collection.
01:14:01
>> And then also there's like an eBay style
01:14:04
buying and selling platform built into
01:14:06
it. So like you can see someone's
01:14:07
collection if they and then they can
01:14:09
list something as like you know I'm okay
01:14:11
getting rid of this and then you mention
01:14:12
message them like I'll buy this or I'll
01:14:14
trade this and then you can do it all in
01:14:15
the app. It's very cool.
01:14:17
>> Um and then there's also like an actual
01:14:20
like publication side where they have
01:14:22
anyone can upload a blog post and then
01:14:24
they have like staff writers that write
01:14:25
about music and articles are very good.
01:14:27
They're very fun to read. They're very
01:14:28
interesting.
01:14:29
>> I just remember one time you came up to
01:14:32
me. This is the only time I've ever
01:14:33
heard of it. You're like I'm so amped
01:14:35
right now. I was like, "Why?" Like, I
01:14:37
uploaded an album and it was the first
01:14:39
one ever uploaded on
01:14:40
>> That was a big day for me when when when
01:14:43
I bought an album that was so rare. No
01:14:45
one had had logged it on Discox before.
01:14:48
So, I got to scan everything and like
01:14:50
upload the track listing and spend like
01:14:52
an hour of my day being the guy. All
01:14:54
right, number four. This is another app
01:14:57
that I don't know if it's still in the
01:14:59
app store and if it is, you absolutely
01:15:00
should not buy it because it is the
01:15:02
biggest biggest privacy boooo of all
01:15:07
time. It's called Fog of World and it
01:15:09
was this early iOS app that would just
01:15:12
destroy your phone's battery by leaving
01:15:14
location on all the time. This is so
01:15:16
early in iOS that location was not like
01:15:19
on all the time. And essentially it was
01:15:21
like a big map
01:15:23
>> and it would just like that would be
01:15:25
blank like or like white it out and then
01:15:27
as you would go around
01:15:28
>> like an RTS.
01:15:29
>> Yeah. It would and then so you could see
01:15:32
every single place you've ever been
01:15:34
>> and if you traveled a lot like I for
01:15:37
some reason was doing as a teenager. You
01:15:38
could like
01:15:39
>> you would zoom out to see the whole
01:15:41
world and you see all these stripes cuz
01:15:42
you could cuz if you were like me and
01:15:44
you you said I I don't care about your
01:15:46
rules. You would leave your phone off of
01:15:48
air like not on airplane mode on flights
01:15:51
and you'd get these big stripes.
01:15:52
>> Oh my god.
01:15:53
>> Across the country and then there was
01:15:56
like there was achievements for like all
01:15:58
the states and countries you visited and
01:16:00
like it would keep track of the total
01:16:02
like square mileage that you've covered
01:16:04
and like percent of the world that
01:16:06
you've seen.
01:16:06
>> This is a goated idea but the app cannot
01:16:09
be top five if you're just leaving your
01:16:11
location.
01:16:12
>> Goatated aspirationally in practice like
01:16:15
nightmare. Utter, utter nightmare.
01:16:17
>> How would this work on your iPhone 12
01:16:18
mini?
01:16:19
>> Don't Don't get this app. Don't get this
01:16:21
app unless you want the Chinese
01:16:24
government to know every single thing
01:16:26
about you.
01:16:27
>> Okay. Number three. Number three,
01:16:30
Seessaw.
01:16:31
>> Seesaw.
01:16:32
>> Number three is Seessaw. Seesaw is like
01:16:34
a
01:16:36
It's for galleries in New York City. I
01:16:39
don't know. You can see all the art
01:16:40
that's on display in New York. That's
01:16:42
it.
01:16:42
>> Why is it called Seesaw? Like you see it
01:16:44
and then after you see it, you saw it.
01:16:46
>> Got it. Um like Reddit. I get it.
01:16:49
>> Yeah, I read it on Reddit.
01:16:50
>> I'm quite fond.
01:16:50
>> Did you check off things you've seen?
01:16:52
>> No, it doesn't do that much. It shows
01:16:54
you galleries in a map and it shows you
01:16:56
galleries in a list.
01:16:57
>> I like the logo
01:16:58
>> and that's all it needs to do. Like I
01:17:00
like apps that that that do one thing
01:17:02
and do it really well. Number two, I'm
01:17:05
have to reopen my list because I I can't
01:17:07
remember. Oh, number two, the Moment Pro
01:17:11
camera. Yeah,
01:17:12
>> which I am legally required to disclose.
01:17:15
They gave me for free. I didn't pay for
01:17:17
it.
01:17:18
>> That's true.
01:17:18
>> So, if I don't know if I'd feel
01:17:20
differently about it if I did pay for
01:17:22
it, but this was not something that I
01:17:23
just happened to stumble upon. This was
01:17:25
Moment saying, "Ellis, here's a code.
01:17:28
>> You have the app for free." Um, I like
01:17:30
the Mo I didn't like the Moment Pro
01:17:32
camera. In fact, when I first
01:17:33
downloaded, I said, "Ew, stinky."
01:17:36
>> To be clear, this is our second.
01:17:37
>> This is Moment Proamer 2.
01:17:38
>> Yeah, the This is much better. But then,
01:17:41
but then
01:17:42
>> yeah,
01:17:43
>> they launched an update where you could
01:17:44
save profiles, which is like it like
01:17:47
saves literally every single setting in
01:17:50
the um
01:17:52
the the thing. David, I'm airdropping
01:17:54
you a photo I took with blipping it
01:17:56
today because I can't find you on Blip.
01:17:58
>> I I could tell you my
01:17:59
>> Is this onetime payment? Yeah, it's a
01:18:02
onetime payment.
01:18:03
>> $10 onetime payment. Listen, if you do
01:18:05
the Google Rewards thing, what's it
01:18:06
called again? Opinion, you could pay for
01:18:09
this.
01:18:10
Let me tell you the reason I like Moment
01:18:12
Pro Wait before you describe the
01:18:13
photograph.
01:18:13
>> Is this straight out camera?
01:18:15
>> Yeah. I love Moment Pro camera because I
01:18:18
think the iPhone camera, the iPhone 17
01:18:21
Pro camera
01:18:22
>> forced to be between 640 and 800 ISO
01:18:26
>> is one of the most pleasing things in
01:18:28
the world. It like flattens everything.
01:18:30
There's very little dynamic range.
01:18:32
There's a nice amount of grain.
01:18:34
>> Almost gives it like a half tone effect.
01:18:35
>> Yes. So, David, is the picture I sent
01:18:37
you dope as hell?
01:18:38
>> Yeah. And the number one app in the app
01:18:41
store, the one app I think every single
01:18:43
person on planet Earth should download
01:18:46
onto their phone yesterday. Ready?
01:18:49
Universal
01:18:50
>> universally applicable to all human
01:18:52
beings.
01:18:53
>> I hope it's Taco Bell.
01:18:54
>> It's going to be iMessage or something.
01:18:55
>> The Brooklyn Public Library appl.
01:18:59
>> Dude, it just works. It just works.
01:19:02
Nothing takes any time at all. If you
01:19:05
live in Timbuktu, get a Brooklyn library
01:19:08
card. Really? Can you do that?
01:19:09
>> Can you get a library card
01:19:12
>> online or something for Yeah, right.
01:19:14
That's the
01:19:15
>> My lazy part of Libby is I haven't gone
01:19:17
to the library to actually get the
01:19:20
>> Well, I I at least with the Brooklyn
01:19:21
Public Library, you need to go to the
01:19:22
library, but I other libraries. Anyway,
01:19:24
this is all to say, dude, the other day
01:19:26
I was like, "Oh my god, I think I need
01:19:29
to give my library book back." And I
01:19:31
opened the app and within 10 seconds I
01:19:33
saw
01:19:34
>> and hold
01:19:35
>> I have three more days. I hit the renew
01:19:38
button. In zero seconds after hitting
01:19:40
the renew, I had 30 more days.
01:19:44
>> Why are all apps not as good as the
01:19:47
thing that costs zero money? The
01:19:48
library. I just don't Anyway, Brooklyn
01:19:51
Public Library uh backend and frontend
01:19:54
app team. Boy, you're just crushing it.
01:19:57
>> What do they call it? BK Lynn N. It's
01:19:59
like not it's not saving that many
01:20:01
letters.
01:20:02
>> It's like WF
01:20:04
VFR.
01:20:05
>> Say less. It's literally saving five.
01:20:07
>> Yeah, it's not that many.
01:20:08
>> That's a lot. It's more than half
01:20:09
>> for an app icon. That's actually a lot
01:20:12
of real estate.
01:20:12
>> They should call it Brooklyn public
01:20:14
library
01:20:16
>> or just book.
01:20:18
>> Yeah, just book.
01:20:19
>> Yeah,
01:20:19
>> but how would you know it's a public?
01:20:20
What if it was a private library?
01:20:21
>> It says book. Oh,
01:20:23
>> cuz you can download.
01:20:24
>> You could call it Brooklyn public
01:20:25
library.
01:20:26
>> Brooklyn.
01:20:27
>> Or just put the R in parenthesis.
01:20:30
>> Anyway, that's Ellis's as someone who is
01:20:32
brand new to the world of apps.
01:20:34
>> Nice. Um, also let me know what LUTs I
01:20:38
should be getting for Moment Pro Cam
01:20:40
because I'm starting to play around with
01:20:41
LUTs.
01:20:42
>> Nice. I guess then without any further
01:20:44
ado,
01:20:44
>> everyone's number one app. Trivia.
01:20:46
>> Trivia.
01:20:48
>> Oh, yes.
01:20:49
>> It took longer for that music to go in
01:20:51
than Brooklyn Public Library app did.
01:20:53
>> BK.
01:20:55
>> Biggest news of the week for humanity is
01:20:57
we are sending people to the moon today.
01:21:00
We're not
01:21:00
>> uh we're sending them around.
01:21:02
>> Around the moon. They're going around
01:21:03
the moon. They will be the furthest that
01:21:05
humans have ever been away from Earth.
01:21:07
Isn't that crazy?
01:21:08
>> I'm scared,
01:21:08
>> Marquez. You could still say you went to
01:21:10
Niagara Falls if you didn't jump in the
01:21:12
water. Okay. Like,
01:21:13
>> but that's different because people have
01:21:14
actually been on the moon.
01:21:16
>> Did Katy Perry go to space?
01:21:18
>> Oh, good question.
01:21:19
>> The definition of space.
01:21:20
>> Yeah, we're going to have to wait till
01:21:21
Artemis 4 for people on the moon.
01:21:23
>> Anyway, we're sending people around the
01:21:24
moon.
01:21:25
>> Sending people around the moon. They're
01:21:26
going to slingshot around Earth. Go back
01:21:27
to the moon. Slingshot around the moon.
01:21:28
Come back home. It's going to be
01:21:30
awesome. You listening to this already
01:21:32
know how the launch went. Today is April
01:21:34
1st at the time of recording. We are We
01:21:36
are waiting for the
01:21:37
>> Wait, when does it It launches today.
01:21:38
>> It launches today. Later today.
01:21:40
>> Aren't we supposed to get a Tesla
01:21:41
Roadster announcement today?
01:21:42
>> How much astrophase do they use to go to
01:21:44
the moon?
01:21:45
>> Yeah.
01:21:46
>> Two billion pounds. Uh, okay. But the
01:21:49
question is
01:21:50
>> of Kit Kats.
01:21:52
>> Sorry. Continue.
01:21:54
>> Artemis 2 mission. That's what it is.
01:21:55
It's the Artemis 2 mission.
01:21:56
>> Okay. But did you know that in Greek
01:21:58
mythology, Artemis has a twin brother
01:22:01
named what? I don't I don't know very
01:22:05
well.
01:22:05
>> Oh, wait. I think I know this.
01:22:08
>> Soci.
01:22:09
>> You should know this. So, this is a
01:22:10
Greek mythology question.
01:22:12
>> Nah, I'm wrong.
01:22:13
>> Wait,
01:22:14
>> it is, but it isn't. That's your hint.
01:22:16
>> Oh, wait.
01:22:17
>> Which probably has ties to some other
01:22:18
NASA related space program.
01:22:21
>> Probably.
01:22:23
>> Either way, if you know it, you already
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Welcome back. Okay, we got a couple of
01:24:42
little quick stories for you guys. There
01:24:44
was some fairly big news.
01:24:46
It could be big news to you or it could
01:24:48
be just like a nothing burger news.
01:24:50
>> Big
01:24:51
>> um you know the amount of Kit Kats that
01:24:53
were stolen on the on the road this
01:24:55
week. Uh okay. So the news is that Apple
01:24:59
is opening up Swift as a programming
01:25:01
language for Android which is fairly big
01:25:05
maybe. I asked a friend of the show,
01:25:07
Christian Selig about this, a famous
01:25:09
developer for many different apps,
01:25:11
including Apollo for Reddit, which is no
01:25:13
longer available, and he said, "I don't
01:25:17
think you can use it for UI yet, can
01:25:18
you?" So kind of eh being able to write
01:25:21
general algorithmic stuff in the same
01:25:22
across iOS and Android is cool but until
01:25:25
you can do the whole thing in swift I
01:25:27
don't know if it's going to bring over
01:25:28
many iOS developers for instance
01:25:30
especially if I just am able to blast
01:25:33
through Cotlin with modern LLMs
01:25:36
um has yeah this is a text so it's kind
01:25:39
of complicated
01:25:41
if just being able to blast through
01:25:43
Cotlin with modern LLMs hasn't done it
01:25:45
for people for whatever reason. So I
01:25:47
guess what he's saying is like Cotlin is
01:25:50
just so standard now and you can use
01:25:52
modern LLMs to code things that like
01:25:54
Swift is not that big of a deal. So
01:25:56
maybe it's not a big deal.
01:25:57
>> I guess if you just like tell Claude,
01:26:00
which just got leaked, but if you tell
01:26:01
Claude to like look at this Cotlin code
01:26:03
and make a make it swift, maybe that's
01:26:06
what he means. Like does that does it
01:26:07
work?
01:26:08
>> I I guess
01:26:09
>> I refuse to mention anything about
01:26:10
software engineering because I don't
01:26:12
want to get yelled at.
01:26:13
>> That's fair. I Yeah. If you think this
01:26:17
was a big deal,
01:26:18
>> let us know. David,
01:26:20
>> I ain't reading all that.
01:26:22
>> Congratulations or sorry that happened.
01:26:24
>> Yeah. It's funny cuz Swift used to sort
01:26:26
of be the like, oh, we're just making
01:26:29
our iOS apps in Swift and like we can't
01:26:30
I'm sorry, we only have an iOS app
01:26:32
because we can't forward it to Android,
01:26:33
whatever. And so now you have less of a
01:26:36
reason not to, I suppose. But
01:26:37
>> I was like, what's their angle?
01:26:39
>> I don't I don't quite understand. But
01:26:41
also like I thought one of the big
01:26:42
selling points of Swift is how easy it
01:26:44
plugs into the Apple APIs which give you
01:26:47
hardware access. So like how does
01:26:48
>> Yeah. And that's probably why it's not
01:26:50
as big of a deal.
01:26:51
>> Yeah. Like can you port over something
01:26:53
that is using like the Face ID API or
01:26:56
like
01:26:56
>> you'd probably have to configure that
01:26:58
separately.
01:26:59
>> You have to be like Claude.
01:27:01
>> Yeah. Yeah. I think Yeah. Who knows? I
01:27:05
mean we were thinking what was the the
01:27:07
meta one where you can code for both and
01:27:08
it React Native.
01:27:09
>> React Native. Yeah.
01:27:10
>> Yeah. and and a lot of people like don't
01:27:11
like React Native. So I think Apple
01:27:13
maybe saw an opportunity there but like
01:27:15
Christian said if you can just you know
01:27:16
vibe code through Cotlin then it's
01:27:18
whatever. So just wanted to mention that
01:27:21
I think this would have been cooler like
01:27:22
two years ago.
01:27:23
>> Yeah. Two years ago. Like now it I feel
01:27:25
like they just had this waiting and then
01:27:27
now that everyone just does it with AI
01:27:28
anyway they're like okay sure release
01:27:30
it. Like who cares?
01:27:31
>> Yeah.
01:27:32
>> All right Andrew.
01:27:33
>> All right I'm about to crash out.
01:27:35
>> I'm ready.
01:27:36
>> Not really. Okay. If you know about
01:27:38
whoop, we've talked about it on this
01:27:40
podcast before.
01:27:40
>> There it is.
01:27:41
>> Nice.
01:27:42
>> There it is. I like your big whoop. Who
01:27:45
cares?
01:27:46
>> Whoever added that,
01:27:47
>> that was me. Said big whoop.
01:27:48
>> Um,
01:27:49
>> what the
01:27:50
>> what?
01:27:50
>> That was straight up me.
01:27:52
>> No, it wasn't.
01:27:53
>> Yes, it was.
01:27:53
>> No, it wasn't.
01:27:54
>> Look at the document history. I just
01:27:55
typed that in Slack 3 days ago.
01:27:58
>> Yeah. Well, I tweeted that six years
01:28:01
ago,
01:28:01
>> actually. Yeah.
01:28:02
>> Okay.
01:28:04
>> Whoop.
01:28:06
Whoop just announced that they're just
01:28:08
got valuated at $10.1 billion, which is
01:28:12
three times more than the previous
01:28:14
valuation.
01:28:14
>> That's a lot of money. Cool.
01:28:15
>> That is a big fake number. Um, listen,
01:28:20
I've used a bunch of wearables. My
01:28:22
stupid bed tracks my sleep. I pay
01:28:24
attention to all sorts of different
01:28:26
activity trackers. Um,
01:28:29
I've been down this rabbit hole. And the
01:28:31
more I think about Whoop, the more I
01:28:33
can't just not think Whoop is a
01:28:36
marketing company and not really an
01:28:38
activity tracker company. And I just
01:28:42
I don't know. Everyone's always like,
01:28:44
"Oh, my Whoop. It's so cool. It has the
01:28:46
best statistics ever and it's so much
01:28:48
better than all the other ones, which
01:28:49
just reminds me of all the people who
01:28:50
have Mac and are like, "Oh, Mac is so
01:28:53
much easier than Windows. That's why I
01:28:54
bought it." Which just feels like
01:28:55
something they marketed really well and
01:28:57
now you believe that. And
01:28:58
>> yeah, true. There are probably some
01:28:59
really niche people who like the Whoops.
01:29:03
I know some people like it because they
01:29:04
like to wear a regular watch. But the
01:29:06
fact that this stupid little tracker one
01:29:09
has a notification motor but can't
01:29:11
notify me when I get actual
01:29:13
notifications sounds wild. It can't tell
01:29:15
me the time. And this if you want Whoop
01:29:18
5.0 is somewhere between $239 and $359 a
01:29:23
year depending on what features you
01:29:24
want. And you aren't paying monthly, you
01:29:27
have to pay yearly. So, at a certain
01:29:29
point, this just feels like the Planet
01:29:31
Fitness like uh
01:29:33
>> scam.
01:29:35
>> Scam pretty much. Like uh yeah, it feels
01:29:37
like they're just doing the Planet
01:29:38
Fitness thing where it's like you pay
01:29:40
upfront for a year and you lock into a
01:29:42
year contract and then they hope you
01:29:45
basically just forget about it after you
01:29:47
submit.
01:29:49
>> That was the blip sound.
01:29:50
>> Does that have it on my computer?
01:29:51
>> I happen to know that that's the blip
01:29:53
sound.
01:29:53
>> The blip sound. Um
01:29:55
>> David David blipped the computer. That's
01:29:57
recording the way.
01:30:00
>> Sorry.
01:30:01
>> That's happened so many times on this
01:30:02
book.
01:30:03
>> Just finished.
01:30:04
>> It is a nice sound though. I got to say.
01:30:06
>> Yeah.
01:30:06
>> A big reason they're probably at this
01:30:07
evaluation right now is because they
01:30:09
just became a perk on Chase Sapphire,
01:30:11
which is like one of the most popular
01:30:13
credit cards in the country, which means
01:30:15
I'm sure thousands of thousands of
01:30:17
people went, "Oh, I get a free Whoop
01:30:20
membership. I'm going to sign up." And
01:30:21
then put that in a drawer one month
01:30:23
later and never think about it again.
01:30:25
>> You get one year. You get a year because
01:30:26
you have to sign up for a year. So, you
01:30:28
get a year for free.
01:30:29
>> Yeah.
01:30:29
>> I mean, a ton of people on Twitter were
01:30:31
saying this. I've seen this so many
01:30:32
times. I think activity trackers, I
01:30:35
don't know about you all, but the second
01:30:37
most popular question I get about
01:30:39
different like consumer technology after
01:30:41
phones is an activity tracker. They're
01:30:43
super popular now. Garmins, Apple
01:30:45
watches, whoops, I get asked about all
01:30:47
the time.
01:30:48
>> And every single person that has ever
01:30:50
asked me about it and bought one has
01:30:51
given up with it within 2 months. I
01:30:53
mean, it's a small that's anecdotal
01:30:55
evidence, but I don't know. I hate these
01:30:57
stupid things. I might be the number one
01:30:59
whoop hater, but
01:31:00
>> I have a hot take.
01:31:01
>> Yeah,
01:31:02
>> a lot of people are like, "Oh, I don't
01:31:03
need much for my activity tracker. I
01:31:05
just need to track my steps." Your phone
01:31:07
already does that.
01:31:08
>> That's true.
01:31:09
>> Yeah. Why do you need to
01:31:11
>> You don't need the other stuff. Here's
01:31:12
my thing about Whoop, though, is if you
01:31:14
want to, the thing I use on my Garmin
01:31:16
the most is in the gym. I just have like
01:31:19
the heart rate level, uh, you know, like
01:31:23
levels one through five and that's what
01:31:25
I look the most atones
01:31:26
>> because the zones. Yeah, thank you.
01:31:28
>> Whoop. You can't see any of this stuff
01:31:30
unless your phone is out at the gym cuz
01:31:32
you all it's no screen. Everything you
01:31:33
have to track on your screen, you have
01:31:34
to put on your screen.
01:31:36
>> The benefit
01:31:37
>> I want to put my phone down in the gym.
01:31:39
No, but you can work out without looking
01:31:40
at any screens. Like that's why I like
01:31:42
>> I know, but I like looking at my heart
01:31:44
rate zones in the middle. Like that's
01:31:45
how I time my workouts is
01:31:47
>> depends on what workout you're doing.
01:31:48
>> Do a lift or do a I used to do it when I
01:31:50
was climbing. It's like do it heart rate
01:31:52
up, wait for heart rate to go down, know
01:31:54
I'm ready for the next time and I'm like
01:31:56
properly rested in between.
01:31:57
>> Yes. But a lot of the thing that Whoop
01:32:00
does differently and or at least it used
01:32:02
to cuz now everyone has this. But it
01:32:04
used to be recovery. That was their
01:32:06
thing. You work out, you have the watch
01:32:08
on here, the wrist, whatever.
01:32:09
>> Body battery
01:32:10
>> and Yeah. And Garmin's body batteries.
01:32:12
>> You know what has it? Athletic for $2 a
01:32:14
month.
01:32:14
>> Yeah, Athletic has it.
01:32:15
>> And it's like almost one to one replica
01:32:17
of it. So, I don't know. And first of
01:32:19
all, all of these things are toys. None
01:32:22
of these are really that important.
01:32:24
Listen to our episode with Dr. Mike
01:32:26
about activity trackers. It's I am fully
01:32:28
in for of turning health into a game.
01:32:32
And if that helps you be healthy, be
01:32:33
healthy. That's great. But there's so
01:32:35
many better options than these stupid
01:32:37
whoop bands. They're not comfortable
01:32:38
either. They're really annoying to have
01:32:40
this big plastic.
01:32:40
>> There aren't any other options.
01:32:43
>> There are some other ones I haven't
01:32:44
gotten to try. There's another one. I
01:32:46
forgot what it's called. It's like a
01:32:46
hundred bucks no subscription. It looks
01:32:48
exactly like a Whoop.
01:32:50
>> They've just dominated that exact space
01:32:53
of like well there's a bunch of
01:32:55
different there's like the people like
01:32:56
the rings, the aura rings and all those.
01:32:58
Then there's all the competitors to that
01:32:59
which is just like I want a minimal
01:33:01
thing. Then there's the small band with
01:33:03
no screen, which they've dominated. But
01:33:05
there's also Fitbits, and there's other
01:33:06
things that do that. And they have, you
01:33:08
know, the most customers and maybe the
01:33:09
most data and maybe the most accuracy.
01:33:10
Who knows? Then you have the thing with
01:33:12
a screen from the Garmin watch, the
01:33:13
Apple Watch, and then people want to be
01:33:15
able to look at their heart rate while
01:33:16
they're working out. That's a space
01:33:17
dominated by one player. And so there's
01:33:19
a bunch of different versions of these.
01:33:21
the 10 billion dollars. I don't even
01:33:22
know I don't really care about the $10
01:33:24
billion, but it is interesting that like
01:33:26
all I really use it for, and this is
01:33:28
someone who actively trains and
01:33:29
constantly looks at the data, is to like
01:33:32
gamify and try to make sure I hit
01:33:34
certain metrics or hit certain numbers.
01:33:36
The whole thing we talked about with Dr.
01:33:38
Mike is it might tell you you didn't hit
01:33:40
your number or you you know, oh, you got
01:33:41
a bad sleep score today, so you start to
01:33:43
feel worse because you saw the number
01:33:45
was worse and then that's a whole cycle
01:33:47
that you spiral into. That's not ideal.
01:33:49
But yeah, I think Whoop is is like I
01:33:53
don't know how else to it's like the
01:33:54
default for I just want it's either that
01:33:57
or Fitbit. I just want a fitness tracker
01:33:59
that can tell me at the end of the day
01:34:01
if I did enough and if I should be
01:34:04
feeling better the next day. I think I
01:34:06
agree with Andrew because I do think
01:34:08
there's a part of like the Whoop ethos
01:34:10
and I don't know if it was like this at
01:34:11
the beginning, but it's definitely like
01:34:12
this now just because like so many uh
01:34:17
like big-time CEOs and celebrities who
01:34:21
feel like they can't be seen with a
01:34:24
smartwatch either for like PR reasons or
01:34:26
like they don't want to be seen as
01:34:27
endorsing the specific company reasons
01:34:29
like choose Whoop as their um fitness
01:34:32
tracker. like like if you I feel like I
01:34:35
especially at Southby I feel like
01:34:36
whenever I saw either a picture or like
01:34:38
some sort of famous person they were all
01:34:40
wearing whoops uh I think it is sort of
01:34:43
thought of as like the if you're at a
01:34:45
certain status level is the only option
01:34:48
>> really
01:34:49
>> their endorsements of athletes are
01:34:51
gigantic
01:34:52
>> it it marquez do you know like Equinox
01:34:54
>> yeah I was literally just going to make
01:34:56
>> I would associate Whoop with like the
01:34:57
Equinox crowd where it's like
01:34:58
>> is that because it's way more expensive
01:35:00
than Fitbit or
01:35:01
>> I think it's six of one half a dozen of
01:35:02
the other it's It's because it's it's
01:35:04
the high price point option and then
01:35:06
it's just because it's associated with
01:35:07
this level of prestige where I can't be
01:35:10
seen with a with a clearly branded
01:35:12
product. And I know at this point Whoop
01:35:14
is a clearly branded product, but at the
01:35:16
same time it's it's sort of an unbranded
01:35:19
product in the sense that there are
01:35:21
there are pretty much no identifying
01:35:22
details. So I do think if you're the
01:35:25
kind of person who wants to be thought
01:35:27
of as part of the CEO high prestige
01:35:31
crowd is now
01:35:33
>> it's a status thing for sure. It's a
01:35:35
like I care about the absolute minutia
01:35:38
of metrics about my body and I'm going
01:35:40
to push it to the extreme
01:35:42
>> and I don't think it gives any extra
01:35:43
information any other thing
01:35:45
>> but their marketing has it's also
01:35:47
totally an if you know you know product
01:35:49
you know what I mean like I I totally
01:35:51
think it's it's a marketing
01:35:52
>> I think I just think the yearly it used
01:35:55
to be worse it used well I guess you
01:35:57
would get discounts but like you sign up
01:35:58
for two or three years at a time it just
01:36:00
feels predatory at this point it is
01:36:02
definitely doing the Planet Fitness
01:36:04
model of like,
01:36:05
>> "Hey, look, here's a time in your life
01:36:07
right now. You want to be healthy? Buy
01:36:08
this thing and then realize a month into
01:36:11
it, like I don't care if you give up cuz
01:36:12
I already got a year's worth of your
01:36:14
money out of it."
01:36:14
>> You're freaking me out cuz I was going
01:36:15
to sign up for Plano Fitness today and
01:36:17
now you're making me feel like I maybe
01:36:18
shouldn't. We'll talk after
01:36:20
>> the hardest thing about Planet of
01:36:21
Fitness is cancelling it.
01:36:22
>> Yeah. I would say I wouldn't want to
01:36:23
like shun people away from fitness
01:36:25
tracking and like trying to There's a
01:36:27
lot of people who are looking to take a
01:36:29
first step in fitness who don't really
01:36:30
know where to start and this is a thing.
01:36:32
What's one of the many things that you
01:36:34
can try that can give you some
01:36:36
information that you don't know before?
01:36:38
Like you have your phone in your pocket
01:36:39
that can tell you your steps. I have no
01:36:41
idea what my heart rate is until I'm
01:36:42
wearing a wearable. There's a ton of
01:36:43
choices. This is one of them.
01:36:45
>> And then it's just all positioning. Like
01:36:47
yeah, they're going to they're going to
01:36:48
have ads with celebrities. I think Aura
01:36:50
Ring kind of does some of the same
01:36:51
stuff. You literally have a gold ring on
01:36:53
which is like this unbranded thing. So
01:36:55
there's there's different positioning
01:36:57
moves.
01:36:59
Um, I'm not as familiar with Whoop
01:37:02
because I don't use one and I don't know
01:37:03
which metrics they're showing. I assume
01:37:05
they're at least decently accurate
01:37:07
because they're not, you know, getting
01:37:08
claimed for accuracy. But yeah, I have
01:37:11
an Apple Watch and I I I follow maybe
01:37:13
five or six of the metrics and I know
01:37:15
they're not accurate. I've done the step
01:37:16
counting things and I know they're not
01:37:18
accurate. I've done the heart rate
01:37:19
stuff. I know the calories counters
01:37:20
aren't accurate, but it's just something
01:37:22
to have to focus on gamify and then get
01:37:25
in that world. And if you can get one
01:37:27
that's not hundreds of dollars a year
01:37:29
with a mandatory 12 month subscription,
01:37:31
that's probably a deal.
01:37:32
>> Speaking of which, breaking news. Two
01:37:34
hours ago.
01:37:34
>> Yeah.
01:37:35
>> Uh Fitbit is going to be launching a
01:37:37
Whooplike product that does not have a
01:37:39
screen
01:37:40
>> two hours ago. Um the April Fool's Day
01:37:43
Steph.
01:37:44
But Steph Curry put out a video.
01:37:46
>> Okay. where he is wearing a band without
01:37:50
a screen on it and he says he describes
01:37:53
it as a firstofits-kind product before
01:37:55
saying that he doesn't want to spoil
01:37:57
what it is.
01:37:58
>> It's definitely not first because we
01:38:00
brought it up based on something else
01:38:01
which is fine.
01:38:02
>> Yeah. Selfishly, I'm just hyped for this
01:38:04
because I like wearing real watches and
01:38:08
that means that I can't wear an Apple
01:38:11
Watch Garmin watch.
01:38:12
>> This is not real.
01:38:13
>> I mean, it tells time so it's real.
01:38:15
wearing like actual watches.
01:38:17
>> You know what they need to make? They
01:38:19
need to make Whoop, but it's just a It's
01:38:21
just the band for an actual watch.
01:38:23
>> There's Alex saw something the other day
01:38:26
that's essentially a puck that would go
01:38:28
under your normal watch and have
01:38:30
specifically for
01:38:31
>> Casio.
01:38:32
>> But I want like if if the band of your
01:38:35
watch was basically a Whoop and it it
01:38:37
got the information from like below your
01:38:39
wrist or whatever.
01:38:39
>> I think I've seen something like that
01:38:41
>> and you could wear it on whatever.
01:38:42
>> Is that the best place to get the
01:38:43
information though? Yeah, but I also
01:38:44
wouldn't want to like wear my actual
01:38:46
watch in the gym, you know, like or to
01:38:48
sleep because I like bigger watches
01:38:50
usually. I like the Whoop and now this
01:38:52
new Fitbit thing. Like the reason I've
01:38:53
been liking these bands is because I can
01:38:55
wear them on the other wrist and just
01:38:57
forget about them and they have such
01:38:58
crazy battery life. I don't have to
01:38:59
think about them.
01:39:00
>> Mhm.
01:39:01
>> I've gotten to the point where I mostly
01:39:02
only like looking at heart rate zones
01:39:04
and getting my notifications on it cuz I
01:39:06
just don't like my phone ever vibrating
01:39:07
or doing anything.
01:39:09
I'm so close to just giving up on a
01:39:11
smartwatch, but then I have to change my
01:39:14
phone more often.
01:39:15
>> I do it for the
01:39:15
>> or look at my phone more often.
01:39:16
>> I do it for the exact same things like
01:39:18
or heart rate and then like a timer like
01:39:20
if I'm doing a
01:39:22
>> like a plank. I like that, you know, but
01:39:24
I'm right there with you. Like the only
01:39:26
time literally the only time I ever go
01:39:28
back and check my recorded data is to
01:39:31
find out how many days did I work out
01:39:32
this week,
01:39:33
>> which I could literally do with a fridge
01:39:36
and a marker
01:39:37
>> or your brain. A lot of it is I I
01:39:39
usually frame it as it's all
01:39:41
comparative. So like I know that the
01:39:43
calorie counter in the Apple Watch is
01:39:45
not accurate. But if I want to know if
01:39:47
my workout today was actually harder
01:39:50
than the workout I did last week, I can
01:39:52
see if it was a higher or lower number.
01:39:55
>> That's like kind of as much as I can get
01:39:57
out of it.
01:39:57
>> My issue is the Whoop people will be
01:39:59
like, "No, everything in this is
01:40:00
gospel."
01:40:02
>> It feels like I've seen some people on
01:40:04
online talking about whooping like this
01:40:06
is the most accurate. this is so much
01:40:07
better than everything else with zero
01:40:10
sources or real information based on
01:40:12
that. Just like
01:40:15
I'm better than you, therefore this
01:40:17
better. I don't know. There's probably
01:40:18
people out there who love Whoop. There's
01:40:20
again I don't want to vilify this as
01:40:22
like a if this is what helps you work
01:40:24
out, do it. Who cares what that price
01:40:26
is? But
01:40:27
>> yeah,
01:40:28
>> I don't like Whoop.
01:40:30
>> Sorry. 10 mil 10 billion my butt. Stock
01:40:33
market's fake. Look what Open AI just
01:40:35
got. Well, I think Whoop should give a
01:40:37
$10 billion investment to OpenAI who
01:40:40
then can give it to Nvidia who then can
01:40:42
give it to Oracle, who then can give it
01:40:43
to Whoop.
01:40:44
>> I have an announcement.
01:40:46
>> What?
01:40:47
>> I am pledging $50 billion
01:40:50
>> to OpenAI over the next 50 years.
01:40:53
>> Nice.
01:40:53
>> And it's uh intent buying intent, right?
01:40:56
>> Yeah. No, this is just this is the
01:40:58
speculative intent.
01:41:00
>> Intent.
01:41:01
>> It's part of a investment package called
01:41:03
the Pinky Promise. Oh, wait. No, that's
01:41:05
actually serious.
01:41:05
>> Yeah, you can't break that.
01:41:06
>> Yeah.
01:41:06
>> Yeah, that's legally binding.
01:41:08
>> Yeah.
01:41:08
>> Yeah. It's also It is April 1st.
01:41:10
>> Oh, right. True.
01:41:11
>> That's why not when this comes out.
01:41:13
>> This is so bad.
01:41:14
>> Well, RAM prices are actually collapsing
01:41:16
right now.
01:41:17
>> Uh and the reason is because everyone
01:41:19
thought that OpenAI had purchased 40% of
01:41:22
the world's RAM supply for 2026. Turns
01:41:25
out uh no, Sam Alman just signed an
01:41:28
intent to purchase, which is not
01:41:30
actually a legally binding thing. And
01:41:31
then OpenAI is like, actually, we don't
01:41:33
need the RAM. And so, uh, now RAM prices
01:41:35
are crashing. Thank god. Um, we can
01:41:38
finally have our Steam Deck at a
01:41:39
reasonable Steam box at a reasonable
01:41:42
price.
01:41:43
>> Maybe
01:41:44
>> they'll keep the same
01:41:46
make more money on it.
01:41:47
>> They have actually reduced the prices of
01:41:48
RAM quite a bit. They've crashed a lot.
01:41:51
So,
01:41:51
>> good to know.
01:41:52
>> Pretty awesome.
01:41:52
>> Rare good news.
01:41:53
>> Rare good news.
01:41:54
>> Very nice news.
01:41:55
>> But, you know what hasn't crashed and
01:41:57
remains at an all-time high?
01:41:59
>> Trivia. I don't know how that not my
01:42:03
trivia points.
01:42:04
>> My points have been crashing over the
01:42:06
last three months.
01:42:07
>> No, they've been steady.
01:42:08
>> They've been steady. That's the problem.
01:42:10
>> They haven't gone up at all, but that's
01:42:12
fine.
01:42:13
>> Guys, which iPhone was left at a bar and
01:42:16
subsequently leaked by Gizmodo? What do
01:42:19
you think, Andrew?
01:42:21
>> I don't want to give give you guys the
01:42:23
answers.
01:42:27
>> Why am I second guessing myself?
01:42:31
You sure?
01:42:31
>> You should. You really should not second
01:42:33
guess yourself.
01:42:34
>> I'm pretty sure it's
01:42:35
>> This would be pretty embarrassing.
01:42:36
>> It would be.
01:42:38
>> Just going to throw it out there.
01:42:40
>> I'm pretty sure I'm right.
01:42:42
>> I don't think anyone would be able to
01:42:43
take you seriously if you got this
01:42:44
wrong.
01:42:45
>> Oh my gosh.
01:42:48
>> Oh, that's what I like to see.
01:42:50
>> Okay,
01:42:51
>> we're all wrote the same thing. So,
01:42:53
would you like to read the answer at the
01:42:54
same time?
01:42:55
>> One, two, three. iPhone 4.
01:43:00
>> Wait, David wrote sour.
01:43:02
>> I wrote in cursor.
01:43:04
>> It's a four.
01:43:06
>> It was in fact the iPhone 4.
01:43:07
>> But I had a moment where I was like, is
01:43:09
it the 4S?
01:43:10
>> But no, it was the new
01:43:11
>> because it was huge design.
01:43:12
>> The new design.
01:43:13
>> iPhone 4 was the one where they changed
01:43:14
the outside and iPhone 4S was the one
01:43:16
where the inside sort of became the
01:43:18
>> Tik Tok
01:43:19
>> the modern iPhone
01:43:20
>> on the clock.
01:43:21
>> Um,
01:43:22
>> I'm going to do this score update this
01:43:24
time. But Adam, did you already give
01:43:26
them that point? Sweet. O or Oracle
01:43:29
>> Marquez.
01:43:30
>> Yes.
01:43:31
>> Caboose in it with 20 points.
01:43:32
>> Cooking.
01:43:34
>> Andrew. Smack dab in the middle.
01:43:36
Saminesco tune. 21 points.
01:43:41
>> David.
01:43:42
King David.
01:43:44
>> Biblical King David.
01:43:45
>> Didn't he get his head chopped off or
01:43:47
something?
01:43:47
>> I don't think so.
01:43:48
>> Okay. Don't Google it.
01:43:49
>> That was our list.
01:43:50
>> Just revel in the mystery of whether he
01:43:53
might have gotten his head chopped off
01:43:54
or not.
01:43:55
>> Pandora's head. No,
01:43:58
>> Schroinger's head.
01:43:59
>> Schroinger's head.
01:44:02
>> 24 points.
01:44:04
>> How am I smack dab in the middle?
01:44:06
>> Cuz you're in between them,
01:44:08
>> but not smack dab. You're technically
01:44:10
the median.
01:44:11
>> You are technically
01:44:11
>> You're a point and a half away. I'll
01:44:13
give you a point and a half right now.
01:44:14
So, you're smack dab in the middle. I'm
01:44:16
just kidding.
01:44:16
>> April fools.
01:44:20
>> All right. Here's Adam for the space
01:44:22
question. Artemis has a twin brother
01:44:24
named What? Go.
01:44:28
Fun fact, guys. The mission is called
01:44:30
Artemis because they're not they're
01:44:32
going to do like the gravity cyst. Like
01:44:34
they're not landing on the moon. So,
01:44:35
they're are they're going to miss.
01:44:38
>> Are they going to miss?
01:44:40
>> That's why they called it that.
01:44:42
>> I don't even know enough of these names
01:44:43
to just guess on this one.
01:44:47
>> No, that's the rock guy.
01:44:48
>> No, think about it.
01:44:49
>> Dwayne the Dwayne. Dwayne.
01:44:53
>> I don't know it.
01:44:55
Reed, what do you got?
01:44:58
>> Discovery.
01:45:00
>> I wrote discovery.
01:45:02
>> That doesn't sound Greek to me.
01:45:04
>> Yeah, it doesn't.
01:45:05
>> That is not it.
01:45:05
>> I wrote Zeus.
01:45:08
>> At least it's Greek.
01:45:09
>> I'm probably wrong.
01:45:10
>> Is it?
01:45:11
>> I
01:45:14
wrong, guys.
01:45:15
>> Twins.
01:45:16
>> The Apollo.
01:45:20
>> Damn, it was right there.
01:45:22
>> You should have had that. It's really
01:45:24
>> much as I know slash like about Apollo.
01:45:26
>> I'm so glad I got to watch your reaction
01:45:28
when you got that wrong cuz I knew it
01:45:29
would piss you off.
01:45:30
>> Nice.
01:45:31
>> Wow. Well, you know, another learning
01:45:34
experience on the pod.
01:45:35
>> Wait, Apollo twin.
01:45:38
>> Can we call
01:45:39
>> Oh my god. Apollo twin.
01:45:40
>> Can we call it Artemis then? Is your
01:45:42
>> Apollo's Twin is Artemis.
01:45:43
>> Why can't I Is your universal audio
01:45:45
interface actually?
01:45:47
>> Apollo twin which is the Artemis.
01:45:50
>> That's wild.
01:45:51
>> Wow. Oh, that's crazy.
01:45:53
>> I hate that. Well, now we know. I'm
01:45:56
going to study up on uh Greek mythology
01:45:57
for next week's trivia just in case. But
01:46:00
hey, leave your comments on why who had
01:46:04
the best top five apps list? I want to
01:46:06
know in the comments section. Now, now
01:46:07
that you made it this far, you've heard
01:46:08
all of our top five apps list. Who had
01:46:09
the best list? Comment below. And why
01:46:11
was it me?
01:46:12
>> It's probably Adam.
01:46:13
>> Yeah. Thanks for watching. Catch you
01:46:15
guys next week in April. Peace.
01:46:17
>> Bye.
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01:46:25
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01:46:33
>> Quick pickup.
01:46:34
>> Yeah.
01:46:35
>> Twin brother.
01:46:37
>> There we go.
01:46:38
>> That's it.
01:46:41
>> How are you?
01:46:41
>> Trivia this week. Twin brother.
01:46:43
>> How you going to cut that?
01:46:45
>> Wait, it's all up here.
01:46:46
>> Oh, I think I know.
