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There's this guy who who referenced the old Mythbusters where like what gets you more wet, walking or running in the
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rain. And apparently they re they made a new episode redacting that statement and saying it was false, but no one saw that
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one and everyone still thinks walking in the rain is gets you less wet, which people out here just walking feels really obvious, but I'm sorry. I just can't imagine walking
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through a rainstorm, clenching your teeth, being like, "This is better. This must be better." Dude, there's
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generations of people doing that because of that Mythbusters episode. Look at that person running. He's going to get so much wetter than me,
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idiot. [Music] Yo, what is up people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez.
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I'm Andrew. And I'm David. This week, okay, there's actually a lot to talk about this week, but we we can
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kind of like speedun through it. Maybe. Hopefully, we'll see. Uh, I tested the Tesla robo taxis finally. Uh, there's
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also a slew of iPhone 17 leaks. There's a bunch of new other gadgets we want to talk about and a couple Google things to
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throw in there. Mhm. It's going to be a good time. Yeah. But yeah, you But first, I'm doing the but first
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or Adam and I are doing it. We have a story to tell. But first, first um on Tuesday, a bunch of people from the
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office went to this pizza place called Raza in Jersey City, which is like everyone's apparently obsessed with it
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because it says like the best pizza in New York is actually in New Jersey. I tried to go there one time without a reservation. And they were there was
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like there were spots of the bar and I was like, "Can I sit at the bar?" And they were like, "That's a three-hour wait."
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What the heck? Three hour. That's a different meal time. Made the reservation. It was like that's breakfast, man.
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That's breakfast. We made the reservation a few months ago, I think. Oh, wow. Really? It was very good. Yeah. Bunch of us
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went. It was fun. But as we leave, um, we're like, Adam and I are getting ready to go back to our car and this guy
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bumps into me and he's like, "Andrew." I was like, "Hey, what's up?" He's like, "I'm your long lost cousin." No. He's like, "I'm listening to
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Waveform right now." And pulls his phone out and shows me mid episode he was up to trivia.
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Yeah. He's like, "I'm at trivia right now." And I was like, he's like, "Can I take a picture?" I was like, "Yeah. Do you want Adam?" He's like, "What?" And
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Adam like comes out of the group and then we took a picture. It was It was awesome. Shout out. Yeah,
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that was pretty cool. He made sure he wanted to know if you were there. I said, "I'm sorry, Marquez hates pizza, so he's not here." And
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I was in a different city. And he asked about me, too, right? It's funny cuz I did run into Ellis
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randomly. Oh, yeah. While we were shooting in LA at midnight at LAX, I'm like getting on a redeye
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flight like it's like like, "Okay, let's get ready to go to sleep on the plane." I hear, "Is that Ellis?" And I look up
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and it's Marquez and Janna. And we've never run into each other outside of work before, like randomly. I go all over the the
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country with you. But yeah, that was really weird. That's so funny. That's not the first time I've run into one of you guys in the airport.
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Really? Did I run into you at the airport? No, I ran into Brandon at New York airport. Oh. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Terminal A. I was It was the other
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way around. He got off a flight. I was going in to get on flight. Small world. Uh, also in that airport,
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uh, a woman recognized me as that car guy. Oh, which is interesting. Was that the first time that's ever happened? Second time. Second time it's ever. Another person recently was like, "You do the automotive content." And I was
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like, "Oh, very good." Um, so that was cool. I feel that way. There was a guy in my neighborhood who stopped me. He's like,
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"Aren't you the guy that does the panoramas?" And I was like, I do like being recognized for that.
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That is. So, if you ever see us in person, definitely ask me about the car videos and ask David about the panoramas
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and just ask about Ellis at all. Yeah. So he doesn't feel bad. Okay. I I do have a bit of a rant though. Um Okay. Do any of you guys still play Wordle every day?
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No. You play Yeah, I played this like once. It gives me too much anxiety. I don't I don't like
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You said Yeah, you did say that before. Yeah, it's too anxious inducing. You know, we still have a Wordle channel in Slack and we still have a couple
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people playing every day. I we interviewed the creator of Wordle many years ago, Josh Wardle. And part of what we
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discovered in all of our research about Wordle is there is just a database, just a a bin of all of the words that are
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five letters long that they will go through before they repeat. And I, you know, they kind of handed
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that off to New York Times. Now there's an editor that like sort of picks a word of the day or whatever. But they haven't repeated any words since they started
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Wordle. And in these last few days, I think they've gotten to the bottom of the barrel of words they didn't want to use because there have been so many weird bad like bad annoying to guess
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words in the past two weeks that I'm I'm starting to think they're at the actual bottom of the barrel. We're scraping the barrel at this point
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for sure. I feel like it's been like the last month or so. You you normally go in being like these are the letters I want
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to knock out to see if like they're ones to use. The amount of two guesses with all grays that I've had lately is wild.
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There's so many double letters because like guessing the same letter twice in one word is a bad strategy because you
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want to knock out as many words as possible. We recently had tizzy. Tizzy is one of the words. That's a good one.
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That's not double Z. Who Who gets double Z in dizzy? Another one. I don't even know how to say it. Assay. Yesterday was a A S A Y.
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What does that mean? Two double letters. I don't know. I didn't even Google it. I finished the puzzle and I threw my phone across the
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room. Just kidding. I didn't do that. But why is that one of those? I did a couple of weeks see people just tweeting like, "What the actual heck?"
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Yes. And I was like, "What?" And then I found out they were talking about Wordle. Yeah. Wordle hasn't been trending on my
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on my Twitter. I still call it Twitter in a long time. And these last couple of weeks it has been trending on Twitter
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for me. It's the most I've ever just like put in letters of a word that I'm not even sure is a word and hit
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guessing and just guess. And that's how I got essay or what last nights. We looked it up last night or this
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morning. I think it's it's the test you do to determine the metal or ore. Yeah. The purity of an ore. I I'm
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looking at this list, guys. I don't know. This sounds like a U problem. What? It's really easy when you look at it, but when you look at it through the
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the scope of like good Wordle strategy, this is hard. Which maybe that's the fun
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part, but I wish they all weren't in the last month. I feel like we're just at the hardware. Yeah. Is it a U problem because there's
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no U in the word that they're releasing the use? There's only one U word in here that I
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wrote down. Undid. Undid. Yeah, these are all You wrote down a bunch of words from Wordle from the past
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month. Okay. Savvy. That's fine. S A V V Y. Yeah, that's a normal word, but guessing that is really hard. It is a normal word, but it's like that you're never going to get that. Two V's and a Y.
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Um, foist. What does that mean? I don't know what voice is. You don't know what to for to foist is
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is to to force. No, it's to force. I mean, I think it literally means pick up, but in modern English, it's only
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figurative and it means to force upon someone. So, like for example, you would say, "I am dismayed that Sam Olman
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foists his virtues upon American society." Which makes perfect sense. I've just never ever heard anyone say that before. I think I got Wait, you don't know the
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word gopher with an F? Gopher G. So, I know animal go Per. I don't know what G is. I forget if it's a verb or a noun. It's someone who goes and and retrieves
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something as like an errand person. Like that is their that is their title and their duty is to go and retrieve items
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for coffee. Never heard that. Go for coffee. Do you want to go for coffee? I'm not going to lie. Nervy. That's
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baller. B A L E R. What is that? That might be that might be someone who bails. That's B A I L though. No. No. That's someone who bails like I'm cancelling. This is someone who bails hay. like like takes bundles of
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straw and produces a verb. Let me confirm that. A machine for making paper is a bor.
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Foist was hard because I I don't think I got it because I had like joyist hoist. All of moist harder for me is when it
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ends in such a common way and then you're just guessing. Guess all of the normal words that end in o and then it goes ah just kidding.
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It was hoist. You're like no that's not foist is a good word. Yeah, but you'd never guess that before. Moist, hoist, joy, any of the other
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normal. Okay, but other ones I didn't get that before joist because I'm not I'm not good. Haunt Quake. Those are pretty normal. Oh
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man. Anyway, this is the this is the Wordle podcast. Sorry guys, if you're not playing Wordle, you're missing out, man. It probably means the game is really
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good that they're hard like this. But like, yeah, our Slack has been extremely angry the last month.
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I literally guessed once and then it's all gray and then I have a panic attack. David, you played Bellro. So much more
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stressful. No, Batro is so so calming. The one of these that I will I will have issue with as someone who doesn't play Wordle. Atria. That's stupid. Yeah. Atrio. Atria.
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Atria is the singular or the plural verb of atrium. Like like the center of a That's actually not so bad for me because there the one thing about Wordle is there are never any plurals that end
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in s. So there's no fourletter. There's no f a n like what is a fiveletter plans?
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Plans. They'll never say pl a ns. That will never be a word. Oh, so there's no plurals. There's no plurals that end in s, but
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there are words like atria that are plural, but that don't end in s. So part of your world strategy is probably to
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never use the word s or the letter s at the end. Oh, but you can still guess plurals. So what do you think happens when we run
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out of fiveletter words, you know, like they start incoin? It's like the having every couple years.
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That's what's going to happen with words. They should make an announcement so that people can start like guessing old words
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again. You know what they should do when they do that? They should they should announce Wordle like that has a
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four-letter word version and a six letter word version. I think and you associate how many guesses you get with how many letters
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are in the words. Four guesses for four words or six guesses for six letters. I think
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interesting would be fun. We'll see what they do. I think that would be way too difficult. But you get a whole extra guess.
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When we spoke with Josh Wle, he said that he tested out like sixletter words and there's just so many of them. He was
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like he picked five for that specific reason. There's seven years of fiveletter words, I think. So
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true. All right. Well, we'll find out. We'll find out when we get there cuz the last word will
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be like zip some crazy word. We'll be like, "All right, that was one sleeping z."
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So, this video is going to come out later after this podcast, but I did get to test the robo taxis in air quotes in Austin,
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Texas. Uh, it was eye opening. I've never ridden in a robo taxi before. I've also never ridden in a Whimo before, so I went to ride in both. I did them back toback. I did many of each.
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Uh, took a lot of notes, got a lot of footage, wrote a lot of stuff down, had some interesting experiences. The one
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that I'll tell here on the podcast, which may be mentioned in the video, but not really be as featured, is that I got
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out of a robo taxi and we started to try to hail the next one, which was a Whimo. And then I realized that I left my phone
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in the robo taxi, and it had driven away. And that is a different level of stress for me. Now, it's not as stressful as it would have been in the robo in the Whimo because there's no one
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in a Whimo. The nice thing is in the robo taxis there's actually a person which is normally not what you want but
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there is a person in the robo taxi. Uh so they found my phone called me and we're able to call.
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So basically here's what happened. So they had your phone. My iPhone has the beta app and the test
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flight app for the robo taxi app. Not my Android phone. Yeah. So, what happens is every time you call a robo taxi, in
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order to verify that you're the one that's supposed to get in, the person in the passenger seat goes, "Hey, can I just see the robo taxi app to confirm
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that you're the person calling the car, you show it to them, they go, "Okay, great." And then you go along for your ride. So, I always have to have that
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phone with me. So, we get in this ride and I I'm doing one of the many rides, capturing a lot of footage. I'm holding
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the cameras up. Brandon's in the passenger seat holding cameras up and I've sort of just put the iPhone down in my lap and have started doing all the
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rest of the note-taking and stuff on my other phone. So, we eventually get out the car, close the doors, we gather all
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our stuff, and I realize I never picked my phone back up. So, my iPhone with the robo taxi app is sitting in the robo
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taxi in the back seat as it's driving away around Austin, Texas somewhere. First reaction is definitely, "Oh god, I'm never going to see that again." But I have the Find My app on my Apple
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Watch. So, I open that up and it shows me the location of my phone and I can see it's driving like six blocks away and making turns and who knows if there's somebody else in the back seat now or if it's just going to the next
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you like hauling ass running at I saw that's what I it was like 95 degrees and I thought if that if the
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thing was two blocks away I would have ran I would have chased it down but it was like it was like 1.2 two miles away.
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I was like, "Okay, well, I can see it now." And then every time I refreshed, it would be a little further away. A
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little further away. And so I hit the like ping it button. I marked it as lost, which put my phone
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number on the screen. And then I pinged to play a sound. So I figure the person in the car is
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hearing this iPhone blaring a siren in the back seat. He's just going to reach back and see, oh,
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I'll just, you know, go back to where I dropped that guy off and like give him his phone back. Never happens.
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I hit that sound button many many time probably 15 20 times. Nobody ever uh picks it up. But I I keep following his GPS location. Brandon and I are trying to figure out what do we do here? Do we wait for it to
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come back? Do we try to take another Uber to the location? I'm following it and after a while it like stops and it's like a mile north and I'm like okay great. So I call an Uber and it's a Whimo
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and follow that car. Yeah, we basically we get in the Whimo and the Whimo starts
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going towards the GPS location of the robo taxi where it stopped. But then as we're on our way there, it's turns
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around and starts going back to where we're going. And you're like, "Let me out." We're like, "Oh god." So we we cancel
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that ride or we have it turn back around and go back to the or we just cancel that ride and go back to the start. And
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we thought it was coming back to us, but then it went past us and then started going south. So then it went like a full
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15 minutes south of us. And I just kept following it. And then again, I see the location stop and it's like 15 minutes
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south. So I'm like, "Okay, we call an Uber, go to that location. As we're on our way, it starts going even more
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south." But we get to that spot again and basically uh it gets to another spot where it stops and then I get a phone call saying, "Hey, did you leave this phone in a robo taxi?" It's like, "Finally." Dude, I hit that button like
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20 times. Nobody called me. And uh they said, "Yeah, that that was I said that was me. That was my phone." I was like,
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"Yep, you can come to the like Tesla service center at this address and pick it up." So, they went to drop it off at the
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service center. So, I think the robo taxi automatically goes back to the service center after every so many miles.
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Um, these things are doing limited miles and or I assume going back to service centers to just get cleaned at least or whatever. Um, or charged or charged. Something I noticed is every
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robo taxi I took had almost the same amount of battery life, which is interesting. Um, so I went back there,
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the guys got my phone, hands me my phone. Great. We're all good. We resume and continue our testing. But that was
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uh that was terrifying. I think if it was lost in a Whimo where there is nobody in it and it's going to pick up other people. There's Whimo support though on the app,
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right? That would have been easier because I still have the Whimo app on my phone and I can just call Whimo.
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But in my scenario with the robo taxi app being on the phone that I lost in the robo taxi, I couldn't call the robo
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taxi support. That was the that's what most people would experience though cuz most people don't have two phones and the phone that they called
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the app with is probably Well, it's even it would have been even worse for them because they couldn't have even like put their phone number on
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the Yeah. When you do that like lost thing, I guess. Do you get to put what phone numbers in it? So I would put like
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You can do the whole thing from your watch. Yeah, I could edit the phone number and put a message on the screen.
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So, call your Android phone. I did. Yeah, I was going to say most people wouldn't even have a phone number to call.
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If you're with someone, it would be like Yeah, if you're with someone, you could put an email. You could put whatever just to have them reach out once they get
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What if they weren't wearing an Apple Watch? Then that would be tough. You would not find you'd have to like go have like
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another device with Mai on it eventually. And what if this was a bunch of cyber cabs being run by some random guy who
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bought a lot of them and is running a business? That was a concern is like in the future these are not going to have people in them and uh then what happens
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like the next person who gets in is just going to see an iPhone on the seat next to them blaring. And to be fair I guess most taxis aren't
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that much different. Yeah. So Ubers and taxis with a person in them. The driver can drive the car
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back to you. Like they can go, "Oh, this I just dropped this person off and now the phone's beeping. I can just go back
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to where I was 2 minutes ago." Yeah. Um if they're nice. Yeah. I was in an Uber once and there was a pair of AirPods like in the back
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seat and I told the driver and I was like did I think someone left these and he's like oh you want them and I was like
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no I was like I'm going to leave these with you because they may call you my friend.
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Yeah, I'm not stealing stealing someone's headphones. I find for I guess New York City thing.
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I don't know but like I find AirPods on the ground all the time like individual ones. No, no, like like a full pack of
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AirPods, right? So, I'm curious. When you when you find AirPods, do you A leave them somewhere obvious so
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if the person retraces their steps, they can find them, but then someone else can hide them assuming they have find my and
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we'll be able to locate them like that. I'd probably hold on to them, mark them as lost cuz you can like tap your phone
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to them, I think, and then um you can like go to the Oh, so I've been I've been doing the worst thing.
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Yeah. else is like scaling a building and like putting it behind the gutter. I try to split the difference. Like I'll
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try to like find a null in a tree where you wouldn't find them unless you're looking for them. But clearly there's like a a smart
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person. I think there's an easier way to do it. Yeah. I'm imagining the person who finds the AirPods Ellis lost left behind. He's
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like, "How did I lose them in this tree knot? How did it get?" That's why I leave it. That's why I leave a little note. I say,
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"You're welcome from the AirPod Fairy." Cuz you know when you like open AirPods in your phone and it says not your
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AirPods and then you can hit like mark as lost like these are not mine. I found them. Oh yeah,
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makes sense. Good. Yeah. All right. Well, speaking of cars apparently um so I had the opportunity
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this week to drive the Xiaomi SU7. I'm very curious. Yeah, this is the car that uh what was
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it? Ferrari executives were so impressed by or Ford executives are so impressed by that they bought one. I think also
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Ferrari now too. Really? Yeah. Okay. That doesn't sound like a Ferrari thing. I'm pretty sure there are like only two or three in the US right now. Um Hugo Bar, who we had on the podcast
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uh last year, I think he used to work at Xiaomi. He used to work at Google. He used to work at Meta. He's done
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everything around Silicon Valley. Um he was like, "Hey, I got one of these. I was able to import it. I'm holding on to it. Uh you should drive it around and like check it out." So, I
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flew to San Francisco and then I took a Cal Train down to Palo Alto. Met him in the morning. You didn't take a robo taxi?
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Sorry, we'll get there. No, I don't think they're they're running there. They just opened in SF.
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They just start This is a total derailment. They just started doing robo taxi rides in the entire Bay Area,
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but they're not allowed to do it without someone in the driver's seat. So, it's just a guy in the driver's seat with the
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car on autopilot and it's a robo taxi. Anyway, go on. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Interesting.
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Okay. So, um Yeah. So, so I went down there to drive it. It is kind of It is kind of crazy. It feels very very similar to a Model S in like a number of ways,
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but it also feels like an Android phone at the same time. It's like extremely modular. So, Xiaomi sells like all of
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these different attachments and like modular parts for it. You might remember they have a physical like switch
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attachment that goes underneath the giant iPad in the front. Oh, I did see that. Right. They have um this little bay
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underneath the uh like cup holder area that you can it's like modular and you can swap in and out different stuff. So, there's like an air freshener that will put out different scents. Uh there's a
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Bluetooth speaker that charges over time similar to on the Rivians. Um they have a flashlight attachment.
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They've got all this different stuff in the back. Oh, something's very cool. They have speakers in the headrest.
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So, like when you're doing turn byturn navigation, it won't interrupt your music. It'll just like play right behind you.
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That's neat. I've There's a couple cars I've tested that have speakers in the headrest. But, it's nice to separate
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that if you're using the in-car navigation. I put the instructions next to your head, right? That's cool. Uh, it has
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CarPlay, which is kind of crazy because it'll, you know, it has its own kind of Xiaomi ecosystem stuff. And if you, it
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has like 65 watt charging, I think, um, in the charging pad area. Nice. Uh, yeah, it had a lot of really cool features. Lots of different modular attachments. Yeah, there is a headrest
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attachment that you can put a Mi Pad like seven in or whatever and it wirelessly charges the Miad and it can
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be used to control like entertainment in the car and everything. There's a refrigerator in the back seat
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that's like built into the little console so you can like put drinks in it and stuff and slide it out.
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Uh yeah, it was kind of insane. And that car is pretty affordable. It's like 40k or something. Yeah, this is the crazy thing is I
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didn't realize it goes all the way down to like some Even under 40. Yeah, probably like 30 or something.
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SU7 standard, SU7 Pro, SU7 Max, and then SU7 Ultra. They did those names. Yeah, the Ultra is the new one. Do you know which one you got to tell? Which trim? It was the max. The max. Okay, so the Max starts at 413.
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That is insane. Which is crazy. Wait, I thought I thought Pro Max and Ultra were just their driver assistance modes, not the actual trim.
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It's a trim for the whole car. The Ultra is like the 1500 horsepower like super crazy one. Yeah. Um
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Yeah. But that's that's a lot of car. for 41. Although, you know, that's obviously
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there's a thing about these these EVs and there's so much talk about competition in the US and like if these
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cars were in the US, they would crush because the US cars are all too expensive and don't have these features. Uh it reminds me of Lucid a tiny bit.
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Lucids are all expensive. Yeah. But the amount of car you get for the money is still more than the car is
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worth. They just have unlimited Saudi money to spend on development. and like the car you get is
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more than the car you're paying for. And that kind of feels like similar with this. And they have a self-driving system too,
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but it does not work in the United States. Makes sense. Cuz now the roads are mapped. So yeah, the mapping system like doesn't work and
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you have to basically use CarPlay or your phone. But they do have a cool like you can you just tap your phone to the
00:23:15
screen and you can mirror your phone on the giant screen too. This is what the Apple car would have been basically. Yeah. No, it's like it's like a Xiaomi car. If you have a Xiaomi
00:23:25
phone, you tap your phone to it. You put your phone in the little 65 watt supercharger thing. You can use your
00:23:31
full phone on the display while you're, you know, while you're driving. So, you don't actually have to like,
00:23:36
you know, do anything on your phone physically. Um, yeah. Did you have any questions about it? I was
00:23:42
I mean, so you got to drive it drive it. Yeah. Did anything surprise you about the way it drove? Was it more tuned kind
00:23:48
of like a luxury sedan type of thing or was it sporty? So, it is meant to be sporty. The problem is that they have this like lock system on it where you have to have driven like you have to
00:23:59
have driven like 200 miles before it unlocks like the faster speeds and Hugo had not driven at that 200 miles yet. It
00:24:06
only it only capped out at like 65 mph. Oh. So, it was kind of hard to even be on
00:24:12
the freeway. Does it kind of like grade you in those first 200 miles to like deem if you're a good safe driver and
00:24:17
then it unlocks the I'm pretty sure like DJI drones do this too where like in order to go to like
00:24:23
the sport mode on it or even like to be able to fly outside of they like Yeah. They geoence it in an even smaller area to like make sure it's not too far away then after x amount of hours or
00:24:35
whatever then you can go further. This was definitely not geoence though. No, not geoence. Yeah. But like similar to that where just like I've seen it
00:24:41
just like hours is the only thing they're working on. Yeah. So this one had a certain number of miles. But uh I'm trying to think of
00:24:48
like what its closest competition would be if it was in the US. And I'm I'm torn between like Tyan, which is a sportier
00:24:54
thing or like I don't know. I guess like a Model S would be the equivalent. To me,
00:25:00
it felt a lot like a Model S, but if the Model S was like nicer, cuz it had it had a lot of strange features, like the
00:25:07
the chair that you're sitting in, the seat, when you would go around a turn, it would like bend, hug you. I love those.
00:25:14
It was so weird. I love those. It was like It would like push into your side to like stop you from like, you
00:25:20
know, rolling or whatever. Active bolsters is crazy. It was pretty crazy. Um, it had like Dolby surround. It had a very cool HUD
00:25:26
that could be like raised or lowered and it would like show turn byturn navigation in front of you.
00:25:31
That's fun. Um, when are we getting those, Marquez? They pretty nuts. You know, Xiaomi, if you're watching this, I really would love to test this
00:25:38
car. I mean, there's other EVs that I've had similar things told to me about, which is like, dude, if this was
00:25:44
available in the US, it would crush. The Xiaomi SU7 is one of them. I would love to test it. Yeah. So,
00:25:49
yeah. I don't think that car could ever be sold in the US for like 40k, but Yeah. Yeah, importing cars. Well,
00:25:56
tariffs, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, it would cost a lot more, but tariffs at all. At all. Interesting. Just want to bring that up.
00:26:02
We just got to test this crazy car called the Cadillac Celestique. Cadillac loves the letter Q. Or GM loves
00:26:08
the letter Q, but uh this was a $340,000 EV. How many SU7s could you buy? You could buy 10. But it um
00:26:20
at least eight. It has this insane interior. Basically, when Cadillac first started making EVs,
00:26:26
they announced the Celestique, and I was like, they're never making that. And then they started announcing others like the Cadillac L and the Cadillac Optic
00:26:33
and the Escalade IQ. And they started making those. But then they actually started making this celery stick is what I'm calling
00:26:39
it. And uh each one of them is super bespoke. Basically, it's like handmade. You go choose all your colors and trims and everything. So, the one that we got to test is uh
00:26:50
orange. All blue on the inside. All blue on the inside. And I should have taken more pictures, but it kind of looked photoshopped. It looked like I took a picture of a normal car interior and just turned everything
00:27:02
in the saturation slider to blue. That's like what every CES concept car looks like. That's why I didn't think it was going
00:27:08
to come out. Yeah. It's like this hyper futuristic. This is the one interior picture that I have.
00:27:13
This is everything. This looks like you're If you weren't wearing a red shirt, I would have just assumed that
00:27:19
color temperature. Exactly. It's like you're at a rave. It was a good time. I love bespoke stuff. I'm all for like
00:27:25
handmade bespoke stuff. But am I the only one that feels a little weird about like a handmade bespoke EV because, you
00:27:32
know, with the battery replacement, they just have such a shorter lifespan. And I'm I'm not pro gas car, but like, you
00:27:39
know what I mean? Doesn't that sort of feel weird? like the idea of spending that much and putting that much effort into something that might only be on the
00:27:44
road for like 8 years. Yeah. The way I see it, it's kind of just a proof of not a proof of concept,
00:27:51
but it's like Cadillac showing up with this is the best that we can do and they obviously are not going to sell
00:27:57
most of these because they're so expensive and they will bring prices down for things like an Escalade or a
00:28:03
Lyric. But the way Miles and I looked at this car was if you're just Cadillac and you're like, "What's the actual best
00:28:09
electric car that we can build right now?" This was their example of that. And they'll sell a few of them. And so
00:28:14
it was cool to see that even if nobody actually has a four zone glass roof. So you can
00:28:20
only tint the tint you're in each corner of the roof. I misspoke. I did not mean to imply that
00:28:25
EVs only last eight years. That That's crazy. Yeah. But this is it was not a car that you would buy with any sense. Reasonable
00:28:33
budget. It also looks like a hearse. Yeah. Yeah. But that's what Cadillac's great at. Yeah. Cadillacs all look like horses.
00:28:38
Have you ever seen the Cadillac horses? They're kind of sick. Who makes HES usually? Cadillac Cadillac.
00:28:44
Yeah, Cadillac makes a lot of horses. I think Lincoln does make their Lincoln and Cadillacs are kind of similar anyway. They're aesthetic.
00:28:50
One of them has Matthew McConna and the other one has honestly probably Matthew McConna too.
00:28:56
Abraham, now that we're done talking about cars, you never thought that I would talk about a car on the podcast.
00:29:02
Yeah, there's a first time for everything. You do the automotive content. I But when it's a phone car, when it's a
00:29:09
phone car, you know I'm there. Yeah. Okay. Now, are you going to rant about this laundry room? Oh, I do. Yeah. And I had a great segue, too, cuz you said this this car looked like something you would see at CES as a
00:29:21
concept car. Speaking of things that kind of seem like a CES concept, um I saw this tweet on my timeline
00:29:27
earlier today and I I opened it up. It's from this guy called Brett and he's the founder of Figure Robots and they make AI humanoid robots, I guess. And
00:29:38
it's a video and it says, "Here's F.02 in my home using Helix to do my laundry." And I play the video and this humanoid shaped robot bends over and
00:29:48
picks up a bucket of laundry and holding the bucket with one hand grabs the laundry and puts it in the washing
00:29:55
machine with the other hand. Very impressive. His kids are watching in awe. It's a It's a human helper in
00:30:00
someone's home. It's crazy. He like throws another thing in there. It handles it well. And the comments and
00:30:06
the and the replies are all, you know, very intrigued and positive. And I'm, you know, as a founder, it's a cool high-tech project. This is the thing that people all been waiting to see. How
00:30:16
many people talk about Optimus on my timeline every day? But this brought back my
00:30:23
controversial take maybe when I first talked about Tesla Optimus and the whole idea of humanoid robots that is now
00:30:30
playing out like in real time, which is okay, is a human-shaped robot the answer? Here we go. Or or should each individual
00:30:42
thing that you are applying the robot to be its own robot? Did you watch Hassan Minaj's interview
00:30:48
with Neil Grass Tyson that he did last week? I just downloaded it to watch. They had this exact conversation. Did they? They did. Oh, I'm excited then.
00:30:54
So, you're going to get stuck. I'm really I am slightly slightly away from center towards each thing should be
00:31:02
a robot. this scenario right here. If that little laundry basket just had wheels and a catapult, it could drive
00:31:08
itself from my room and just launch itself into this washing machine. That's exactly what I'm saying. This is my biggest gripe with this is
00:31:15
it's loading a washing machine. Not a single person who does laundry is like, "Oh, I don't want to do laundry." And is
00:31:22
mad at the putting it in. It's like taking it out of the dryer and folding and putting everything away. And to be
00:31:27
fair, at CES, I have seen, although not with my own eyes, but I have seen coverage of
00:31:34
robot that folds laundry out of the washer. And it's not like a human-shaped robot. It's just the the washing machine
00:31:40
puts it in the dryer and then the dryer takes it out and folds and sorts it. And that's a different idea of a robot in
00:31:46
your home. That's very cool. I like that. So yeah, I guess you know the argument typically with the human-shaped robot is going to
00:31:53
be it's uh it's got this general intelligence. It can see the world. It can do a whole bunch of things. It's versatile. We've built the world around
00:32:00
the human shape. So you could put this human-shaped robot in any situation. It can flip burgers. It can serve you food.
00:32:06
It can go do drive your car, pick up the groceries, do your laundry. It can do everything for you in the world that exists today. I get that argument. I
00:32:14
just think as far as specialized efficient robots, instead of putting the human-shaped robot in the car to drive
00:32:20
it, a far more efficient solution to driving is that the car is the robot, if that makes sense. Yeah. So, it's going to play out. I'm just, you know, I'm fascinated by this video
00:32:31
and the replies are kind of talking about both sides of this. Can I show you what I imagined with his kids watching right there?
00:32:37
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Have you seen this video of this robot like malfunctioning at this trade show?
00:32:43
I haven't seen that. Yeah, there's been way more humanoid robots in my a break dancing robot and then it passes and then it falls over and freaks out.
00:32:49
Legs just start spinning like circles and everyone starts backing up. I think as soon as the Optimus thing
00:32:56
started getting built, every every other company was like, "It's time to ramp up, boys."
00:33:01
Yeah. Time to make humanoid shaped robots. Yeah. I I would say I am, you know, if
00:33:06
there's a spectrum of human-shaped robots are the answer or human-shaped robots are not the answer, I am like
00:33:13
slightly on the side of general robot is probably not the farterm solution. My other thing is I'm so insanely skeptical of all of these because like Boston Dynamics has been doing this for
00:33:26
so much longer than all of these places have and their robot looks like the Hulk compared to these.
00:33:31
You mean Hyundai? Hyundai Still, sure, that's just even more proof that they have tons of funding also. And like Atlas is gigantic
00:33:38
and usually not doing anything as impressive as these. Yeah. You know, the typical customer of one of these robots is not just like a
00:33:45
person. It's typically a larger It's a lot of money and a lot of investment to these want to be people robots, right? That's the future that people see is uh everyone has one of these in their
00:33:56
home and maybe it does your laundry for you. All right. Hot take. Okay. I think that I know you're looking at me weird. I know you're scared. It's okay. It's not that it's it's it's okay. I'm hyping
00:34:08
this up too much. My hot take is that I don't really want humanoid things walking around with us all the time
00:34:15
because I would rather humans stick to the humanoid shape and that the robots stick to the robot shape. And um yeah,
00:34:22
I think both because I see the farreaching ends of the humanoid shaped robots and that's when people are going
00:34:29
to start putting like AI girlfriends in the human robots and then people will stop talking to each other.
00:34:34
You have that right now on Twitter. Yeah, but that's not a that's not a physical being yet. Mhm.
00:34:40
AI. Well, yeah. It depends on the person, I guess. You can already have a you can already have an AI girlfriend in
00:34:46
a little box in your pocket. Yeah, but it's not. But if it's human shaped, I don't want it to be human shaped and I just know that that's the end game for
00:34:52
that. I just know it will h actually not even the end game, the beginning game. It'll happen very quickly and I don't want that.
00:34:58
It'll happen too for our society. That's probably a fair take. Thanks. Super fair.
00:35:05
It'll happen immediately. All right, we got way more to talk about, including a new iPhone 17 Pro
00:35:10
dummy caught in public. But before we get to that, we always take some quick breaks. So, let's do that for some
00:35:15
trivia. Was the first one a yawn? Guys, we just talked about a laundry robot for a while. And uh since this
00:35:29
game of trivia, this question we're about to do, these both of these questions, this episode in fact, are not going to be for points. And the reason
00:35:35
they're not going to be for points is because last week we recorded a season finale trivia extravaganza.
00:35:43
Let's go. and you, our lovely audience, will find out who won uh later this month. Uh but yes, until we kick off the new season, actually, and then also later this month, we've got I guess this
00:35:54
is coming out in August, right? Yeah. Later this month, we've got some other special trivia stuff for you, so get
00:36:00
ready for that. Wait, really? Yes. Uh yeah, you were not in that meeting. Oops. Uh we'll we'll fill you
00:36:06
in. You're going to be excited. Trust me. And so will you at home, but David, you're going to be really excited.
00:36:11
I've talked about a laundry robot for a while, so this is not for points. I wanted to do one of our special kind of not really tech is not tech at all. Um
00:36:18
because laundry robot reject modernity embrace tradition whatever. Um what so this robot right the whole the value proposition is like it does your laundry you do other things right but what
00:36:31
traditional New Orleans dish was cooked on laundry day because it was such a hands-off
00:36:39
thing to cook. You could do your laundry all day at the same time. Little flip-flop. I feel like I know this one.
00:36:46
Nice. I have a guess. Cool. There's two that I'm jumping between. Well, I will only accept one.
00:36:52
Dang. Well, I think I know the one. Well, answers will be at the end like usual. We'll be right back.
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Shopify.com/wwayform. All right, welcome back. We got to talk about this uh Twitter iPhone 17 Pro leak
00:38:24
that just started sort of bubbling up. There's a picture that's probably hit your timeline, at least by now, of a guy
00:38:30
uh caught in public with an iPhone 17 development model out in the wild. He's got a unskinned phone and he's got this
00:38:37
like, you know, phone in a case, which, you know, typically is how employees have to test these phones without
00:38:43
showing off the the new design, which is top secret. Um, and so it sort of blew up on
00:38:48
Twitter. I I don't think it's as big of a deal as people seem to be making it out to be. If it was just this post, I
00:38:54
don't think I would have put it in here. But we got this post and we got the Sony Dickinson Sony Dixon model. So, I was
00:39:00
like, let's just put it all together because there's a couple interesting. It makes the dummies seem more believable when we see this. It's got also
00:39:07
security, I think. Yeah. I mean, I can barely tell that the one in public is the new one. Yeah, cuz it's got this case that
00:39:13
conceals like the new camera bar thing. Yeah. Which we kind of all know is coming. So, at this point, Yeah. We see the new
00:39:18
models and the dummies and they all have this camera bar which is new for the iPhone 17 lineup allegedly. Uh and we
00:39:25
also have colors which are new for the iPhone 17 lineup and are also kind of interesting because didn't we talk about
00:39:31
this last week? No, we didn't. Well, last week I said you thought this was like the regular
00:39:36
iPhone colors. Turns out it's the pros. That was pixels. Oh, that was the pixels. Wait, this is
00:39:42
the same colors though. No, the orange. No, cuz the Pixel was right. lemon cello and a great lemon
00:39:48
cello. But I did last week say these have to be the normal Pixel 10s because we all know Pro phones aren't allowed to get good colors. And here we are with an orange, like bright orange
00:39:59
iPhone Pro. And yes, so the models are showing the Pro iPhones come in black, white, blue, like
00:40:06
a darkish blue and orange, which is new. We I can't remember the last orange iPhone SE. Oh, 10R. Yeah, it was peach. I don't think they call it peach, but that's the
00:40:17
color it was. And then the regular iPhones, the nonpros are black, white, starlight, or whatever the sort of
00:40:23
off-white version is, and then a barely blue. Well, according to this, it's the 17 Air
00:40:29
is black, white, starlight, blue, and then the 17 gold. Yeah, like that. Then like a pinkish,
00:40:37
like a light blue. So, Cosmo and Wandophones. And then is that green or blue? I'm bad at
00:40:43
colors. The TEDR, they call it coral. It's like orangeish, right? Yeah. Yeah. Um, well, this comes after
00:40:50
Samsung released a press release about how ZFold 7 customers are actually buying the blue phone for once. Uh, in
00:40:58
the ZFold press release, it says, "While black is typically the preferred option among ZFold customers, blue shadow
00:41:03
received nearly half of all pre-orders." Furthermore, coral red exceeded expectations, making up nearly 25% of pre-orders of the Flip 7. So, it seems
00:41:13
like colorful phones are making a comeback and maybe that's why these companies are actually starting to use. But also, this like bright orange is
00:41:20
kind of insane for Apple. Sweet. If this is real, especially on Pro have, correct me if
00:41:26
I'm wrong, but like the models never do a good job at getting when the Pros usually have like a frosted to them. So,
00:41:32
like is there a chance this could be a little frosted and a bit more muted than this? I think it it's kind of accurate
00:41:38
where the body is mostly frosted on the Pros and then the camera visor is glossy. That's what it looks like. And then on the nonpros, it could be the other way around. You know what this looks like? This
00:41:49
looks like liquid glass. The frosted the like the glossy camera bar kind of looks like one of those
00:41:55
liquid glass. It's always kind of been that where it's basically clear and taking the color from the bottom, but since it's now
00:42:01
twice as large, it looks way more like it. Yeah. Um, also on the Pros and on the
00:42:07
Air, they put the flash on the right side. So that's the reason that the camera bar is so big. Um, yeah, it's
00:42:14
very interesting. I wonder if this ends up being real. I want to potentially toot my own horn
00:42:20
because I don't remember, but I'm pretty sure I said this when we were talking about where does the Air fall in the
00:42:26
lineup. Mhm. And this looks like it's replacing the 17 plus. Yeah. Right. Yeah, I think I said that. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's where I I took it. And I
00:42:37
think it makes the most sense here. It's like bigger but one less camera. So, you're getting more and less at the
00:42:42
same time, right? Which is probably going to incentivize people to potentially buy the 17 if they don't want, you know,
00:42:47
or just go to the Pro. Yeah. I think this is just like the part in their lineup they're the most confused about and they're just going to keep
00:42:54
throwing things until it sticks cuz it was mini, then it was Plus, now it's Air. We'll see if this lasts two years
00:42:59
also and then gets changed into something completely different or if this is the actual lineup this leak I
00:43:06
think it's like one of the more exciting ones that Apple has had in a long time just cuz of the colors. Yeah, just the colors and even like the
00:43:12
camera bumps like there's actual differentiation between them now. This is the best iPhone thumbnail
00:43:18
coming up where like the all the pro phones are very different, the the Air is very different, the colors are like this is I can look at an iPhone and be like, "Okay, we're in this year's lineup. That's not
00:43:29
Yeah. potentially the last 3 years." The new Pixel like the alleged Pixel 10 looks in my opinion much nicer than the
00:43:36
alleged iPhone 17. You think they're going to call it iPhone 26? Oh, I don't think so. Well, they didn't change any hard I guess. Samsung did that to align with the years
00:43:48
on the S20. No, you're right. They did. Uh, so Apple did it with all their software at WWDC.
00:43:54
Would they do it with the hardware, too? I don't I don't know. It's not out of the question.
00:44:00
They did skip all the numbers. I think they only did it with software because all the software like you probably have
00:44:06
things with multi. Well, like most other Apple products don't have numbers associated with them. They're just like
00:44:12
year of it. Yeah. But then just like the MacBook Pro, iPad doesn't have like iPad 8. It's
00:44:19
usually based on more like the chip or the software and like That's true. Yeah. What if they think it'll be 17?
00:44:24
Bringing the MacBook. What if they're just like iPhone 2025? Like they just start putting the year in
00:44:30
there. I guess that would be But if it's going to launch with iOS 2026, they'll do it. This is why I said the car thing was
00:44:36
kind of complicated. Yeah. And confusing. 2026 iPhone coming in September 2025. Yeah, there you go. I'm also disappointed my Cosmo and Wanda phone comment didn't get more love.
00:44:48
I still think it's blue. That's why. Wait, no, these that's blue. Oh, whoa. Wait, you have a different
00:44:53
picture. I'm looking in our thing. You have a blue and a green. The one I'm looking at only has blue and pink. So that's why
00:44:59
you didn't get a laugh cuz I was like, "Wow, Have you ever seen Cosmo?" This is the Sunny Dixon.
00:45:06
I was like, David and I were looking at the same photo which doesn't have a green. Oh, can we just do that is my blue your blue
00:45:12
thing? Yeah. So, yeah, there's a pink and a green. Okay. Hence my comment. All right. Well, I guess we'll see very soon. I have one more iPhone question. Yeah. Ellis, what's your battery percentage
00:45:23
at? Someone asked me that in person while I was in LA. I thought I would have asked. We forgot last week and we actually had multiple comments asking what his battery percentage was.
00:45:36
We remembered this week. Guys, it's not too bad today. I have not charged my phone yet today. Now we're at 66%.
00:45:43
Pretty good. Did you take it off the charger? Took it off the charger probably like
00:45:48
an hour ago. Still plugged in. 8:30. My uh Okay. Yeah. 3 hours. It's not that bad. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. 9 hour battery life. It does die so fast
00:45:59
that I uh was traveling with an Anchor MagSafe portable battery thing and when I'm using the phone and Mag Safe charging the battery life just stays the same.
00:46:11
Yeah, it's really funny. Yeah. Should try the Ridge one. See if you get any more speed out. I should. No, I should. I should.
00:46:18
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00:46:30
Pixel 10 including G10 with magnets. G10. Sorry, Pixel 10. Pixel 10. Skip eight. It's just like a bolt of lightning across like your phone is
00:46:40
charged. G10. There's rumors of the Pixel 10 having CH2 with the magnets built in, which I
00:46:48
think would be awesome. Uh because that would mean you could use MagSafe accessories. You can use any of these magnetic things that just slap
00:46:54
onto the back of the phone without a case. I'm a I'm a no case guy. I'll throw skin on my phone sometimes, but I don't
00:47:00
usually have a case on my phone. So, this is exciting for me. I just thought of a reason why they should be implementing GT with magnets.
00:47:06
Sorry. And then you can actually explain the good part of this. Okay. Every phone manufacturer should do this because the chance of people then
00:47:12
breaking their phones and having to pay that manufacturer to fix it is far increased because now you don't have because then
00:47:18
you have the magnets in the phone and you don't have to buy a case. Oh, you mean because Yeah. Right. Why wouldn't they all have That's
00:47:23
Apple's ahead of its time. Well, but Apple also sells MagSafe cases that add magnets to the case, too.
00:47:29
Yeah, but you only have the option to go no case with MagSafe if the magnets are built in.
00:47:34
Well, unless you get a case that has magnets in it, like the iPhone cases. Well, yeah, but then it's not a phone
00:47:40
with no case because it has a case. Well, yeah, true. Sure. Yeah. It was a bad go on. Explain the rest.
00:47:47
No, it's okay. Okay. Um, just to explain this. So like I don't know if it was earlier this year or late last year the
00:47:53
G2 standard got released which is the basically Apple donated donated uh a bunch of magnetic standards to the wireless power consortium which then
00:48:05
implemented the G2 standard which we've been waiting for for a very long time. I think it actually was probably last year, but effectively every phone that
00:48:13
has CH2 is going to have magnets in it now, similar to MagSafe, which is very cool because Mags Safe is probably one
00:48:19
of the coolest phone innovations, most helpful phone innovations in a very long time. Then we found out that the
00:48:24
wireless power consortium separated out CH2 into CH2 and CH2 ready. Uh, Ch2 ready is basically saying that if you put a case on it that has the magnets in
00:48:37
it, and I'm assuming it has a little micro microcontroller in it that says this is a G2 ready case, uh, it'll, you know,
00:48:44
charge with G2 and it'll stick to it and stuff. That made us very sad because I don't I I run caseless. Uh, I don't want to have to put my phone in a case just to use MagSafe accessories. I think
00:48:55
that's lame. And you can already do that with like a $3 magnet that you can find, you know, on Amazon or whatever. Uh so
00:49:03
we were kind of thinking, oh no, of course now Google's just going to do m like G2 ready or whatever.
00:49:09
Yeah. But now there's a very very very strong chance that the Pixel is going to have
00:49:15
official G2. This comes from a leak from Evan Blast. Uh he has tweeted pictures of the Pixel 10, Pixel 10 Pro, Pixel 10 Pro Fold alongside a new Obsidian color
00:49:26
for the Pixel Buds Pro 2 and the Pixel Watch 4. But the most interesting thing is that one of the leaked images that he
00:49:32
shared showed the Pixel 2 with a new Pixel Snap wireless charger attached to it, which looks very, very similar to a MagSave Puck, but with more rounded edges basically instead of being like
00:49:44
sharp. And uh that effectively confirms that it has the magnets built inside the
00:49:49
phone because the charger is like stuck directly to the phone. Yeah. So, yes, please.
00:49:54
That's very very exciting. We've been wanting this. I would love this. I've been waiting for it for so long. I keep having to put my
00:50:01
phone in a case that I do not want to use just because Mags Safe is like that irreplaceable to me.
00:50:06
Yeah. And now with it being built into the phone, right? Basically, you go ahead. No, I'm a little nervous I
00:50:13
might get let down by this Pixel. It's It's lining up to be such a great phone and I'm already like mentally going like, "Yeah, this is this feels like
00:50:19
it's probably going to be my next phone." And then I pretty much have it on pre-order already.
00:50:24
Well, you know, I was just talking to Ellis in the car this morning about this. Uh but they I at first was kind of
00:50:31
disappointed that they weren't going really flashy because it's the 10th one and I thought, you know, they do something big like the iPhone 10 was a
00:50:38
very different type of iPhone, very revolutionary. Uh but considering their market share has been rising fairly significantly over the last like two to three years, this exact current design
00:50:51
of Pixel, which we've had effectively since Pixel 7 where it's got the the camera bar, but it's rounded.
00:50:57
Yeah. Um I think that that's very popular and people are starting to buy the phone and their their average sales have been
00:51:03
going up and up and up. There's enough momentum that they don't want to shake it up. I think they don't want to shake it up too much. I think they just want to make
00:51:08
it better. they want to make it, but it it is kind of like jewelry. And this is why I said that I think that the Pixel
00:51:14
10 this year actually looks quite a bit better than the iPhone 17. If the rumors are all true, the renders are all true.
00:51:20
We'll see. Um Yeah. So, it'd be very cool to get that. If the renders are true, then the Pixel 9 looks better than this year's iPhone.
00:51:29
Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. Um but speaking of Pixel, very quickly, this is kind of a little quick
00:51:35
hit. There is this ren uh there's a concept of these pixel overear headphones that someone made on behance that looks so good and they look this is so good. They look so so good.
00:51:48
We don't often tell you to pull over in your car if you're listening to this and like pull up the video and watch what
00:51:53
we're about to talk about. But you guys need to see this cuz these headphones look amazing. So someone made this concept that's
00:51:58
supposed to compete directly with like AirPods Pro. Um, but it's or AirPods Max, sorry. But it is so Google in every
00:52:06
possible way. Like I could see this person being the lead designer at Google for headphones.
00:52:13
Um, they look so good. It's hard to describe them. They sort of have this telescoping band that wraps around the
00:52:19
ear cups and it is, you know, metal and then they have the same sort of like pixel gloss
00:52:25
uh finish and color and then they have a few buttons that are like the bright orange color to kind of like accent it.
00:52:31
This This is interesting in the ear cup design. It's so wild talking this much about like just a design that probably isn't even going to be real, but it just looks so good. But like do you know how
00:52:41
the um Nothing ear headphones were like a squirle and then a circle in the middle of I guess that was like an oval in the middle of it. This is a way cooler and like sleek version of that. This like nice matte
00:52:53
like beige where the circle then just like melts into Yeah. the like square ear cup and then the buttons are on the bottom of that circular like beveled into it. Oh my goodness, it looks so
00:53:05
good. I would buy these. He even has renders of it on like someone's head and they look freaking they look very real.
00:53:10
David said that he wanted to talk about this and I was so hyped because I specifically want to beg Google to hire
00:53:15
him and make this real. Hire this guy. Yeah. So Sidant, I think is I'm not 100% sure on
00:53:23
pronunciation. We'll put it in the show notes. But like these are amazing. There are some things, tiny things I
00:53:28
would change, but I mostly like them a lot. It's got a headphone jack. You don't want the power button. So there's I think two things I would
00:53:34
change. No, I like power button. The chrome the chrome arm on them would get like very fingerprinty. So I would probably want that to be matte. Maybe. I don't mind it. It looks really cool when
00:53:46
it's clean. That's obviously great. The other thing is I've been using the Sony WHH100XM6s
00:53:53
and just just like the touch control on the outside to go next song, previous song,
00:54:00
swiping on the side of the headphones sucks every time. Every pair of headphones that does that sucks. And I it reminded me of the Surface
00:54:06
headphones. You remember those where you had the dial with the ring where you could change volume and move. I kind of want a little bit more of that
00:54:13
on these. So I see there looks like a volume rocker on these headphones. I want like a next song and a previous
00:54:18
song without having to swipe on the side of them. It is kind of sad because Microsoft has effectively killed a lot of that product
00:54:24
ecosystem. But during the life cycle of the Surface product ecosystem when it was at its peak, when they had the
00:54:31
Surface Studio and they had the Surface headphones, they that dial was sort of a fundamental kind of object because they
00:54:38
had the dial for the Surface Studio which was like this wireless puck that you could use for drawing and drafting
00:54:43
and stuff and they integrated that same design into the headphones so that it felt very cohesive. That's great.
00:54:48
So yeah, Google could Google could theoretically Do you remember Surface Buds? Yeah.
00:54:54
Yeah. Those were disc those Do you remember why it was that big disc and what the feature was for it? Poweroint. So you could swipe in PowerPoint on your ear.
00:55:04
Oh man. I remember reading that like press release. They showed us that at Microsoft and we all just went,
00:55:11
uh, cool. Also, those were the most uncomfortable earbuds I've ever worn. They were the
00:55:16
hardest plastic. Like they did not mold to your ears at all. They were so hard. It was but it's a sacrifice you'd be willing to make to be able to move to the next slide.
00:55:27
Why are you even wearing earbuds while you're while you're talking to people giving a presentation? So you can be discreet about it. Like so
00:55:32
if you look at the next slide here every time you're just like yeah those are bad. That was bad. They um they make clickers for that just so you know. I know.
00:55:45
But I agree with you. I'm antis swipe on any headphones. I want a physical button cuz I hate just like adjusting in your
00:55:51
ear and now the volume and the song has switched and I hate all you know what I've settled into cuz all
00:55:57
these headphones have autoplay pause when you take them off. I hate that. You know they I've started just using it for everything when I'm especially when
00:56:03
I'm on a plane. You know you can do the like cup thing for some of them or you can take one ear back or you can like hit the button to play pause. Literally
00:56:09
someone walks up to me I just the music stops whatever I was doing is going to pause. The Sony ones though,
00:56:15
you can put one hand over one of the ear cups. Yeah, but when you look at somebody like this, that's true.
00:56:21
I just don't like that. That's It looks so rude. Hey, David. I feel like it just looks weird. And then mid conversation your hand just
00:56:27
like comes off. You start listening to music again. It is a pretty obvious. Yeah. I feel like I intuitively understand what's happening when you do that, though. No, you get it. It just makes you look like a jerk
00:56:39
cuz you're like, you're not important enough for me to take off my headphones. I also haven't worn overeared headphones in like a really long time.
00:56:45
These Google ones are out. I've just been on so many flights lately that I've just gotten so fed up and I've just taken them off every time. That's
00:56:52
just my Yeah. Speaking of fed up, the Fedverse corner this week. Hey, baby. Would have been so sick right there with
00:56:58
that. But we don't have one. But that's funny. It's true. You know what? We do have trivia.
00:57:05
Is this trivia federated? Trivia. It is not federated. But wait, Bit Chat. Oh, that's not federated
00:57:12
though. I know. Okay. Anyway. Anyway, let's keep it classic. So, IP ratings, those are a thing. The Microsoft Zoom had a what IP rating? The original The original Microsoft Zoom. That is the
00:57:26
question. It had an IP rating. Is that a trick question? It had an AI an IP rating.
00:57:31
That's the question. Like, what was the IP rating of the Microsoft Zoom? Wow. 67.
00:57:37
Was it Ingress protection rating? [Laughter] I I'm gonna have to think about that one. I don't really remember the original Zoom very well. I had the Zoom
00:57:48
HD, which was also not very memorable, but had the Zoom Pro Max. I thought the Zoom HD was like the
00:57:54
famous one. The Zoom HD was awesome. I don't think it was particularly IP rated either. So, particularly IP rated.
00:58:00
I have no clue what the answer is. Neither are OnePlus phones. We'll think about this one for a while. Answers at the end. We'll be right back.
00:58:06
deep gun. [Music] Welcome back everybody to the Waveform podcast. We're your hosts. I know I do this every time.
00:58:24
I'm Adam. Okay. Uh we you may have heard a few months ago I believe that Eric Mjikovski
00:58:32
who was the guy that invented Beeper who we did a whole thing on and then Beeper is now part of Automatic and then I went
00:58:37
to an automatic party about Beeper and then it was weird. The guy Eric Mowski uh basically was able to get back all of the rights from Google because Pebble
00:58:49
was sold to Fitbit and then Fitbit was sold to Google and so Google eventually had all the rights to Pebble. One step
00:58:56
also in between here is he already like we talked about this a little while ago. He was relaunching Pebble, but he had to
00:59:01
call it core design, right? So yeah, it was getting there. Oh, sorry. So he was able to get Google to release
00:59:06
all the copyright for the Pebble hardware stuff. So he was re he decided he wanted to relaunch it because now, you know, Pebble was like one of the first smart watches, but now
00:59:17
I'm impressed that he got Google to do that. Yeah, I know. They were like, "Yeah, I guess we don't we're not really doing anything with it." Wow.
00:59:22
Yes. They I think they open sourced it. Mhm. Yeah. So, uh yeah, now he's making it
00:59:28
again. It was one of the first smart watches and now everyone feels like they have too much of their phone throwing
00:59:34
out throwing things at them all the time. So, they want less stuff and Pebble because it was an early smartwatch is less stuff. It is also not
00:59:42
quite e- in I don't think. Um it's e- paper. E-aper. But anyway, one of them is right. The other one is I believe they're both. They both are. Okay. he needed to call it core devices because he did not have
00:59:55
the right to the Pebble name, right? Which was very funny because one of them used to be called the Pebble 2 Duo and
01:00:01
then now it was called the Core 2 Duo which was an old Intel processor. Uh but very recently, as of I believe this week, he was actually able to get
01:00:11
the Pebble name back. So officially it is now Pebble again. Multiple people in this office are super
01:00:17
excited about this. Yeah, there are dozens of us. Alex is already to order. I mean, I want to get one.
01:00:23
They're pretty sick. That's the most shocking thing to me is that Google's like, "Sure, you can just have like why
01:00:28
do they even I guess I think they were just not planning on doing anything with it, so they open source it." I mean, they own it.
01:00:34
Not anymore. I mean, when they did own it, I just feel like I'm surprised that a company like Google gave it away for free.
01:00:39
Would just give that away for free. Yeah. And go through the hardware or the name? Both. Both.
01:00:45
True. That's that's all of what Pebble is. This will come back and bite us and we don't know how yet.
01:00:51
He did say like I commend him for this blog post because this is like the this is how every update on like a project should be ever. It is a simple no bells and whistles very textbased blog post
01:01:03
that's just like listen TLDDR at the top. Here's the good things. Here's the bad things. Read
01:01:08
about it quickly. You could read this whole blog post in less than 10 minutes and know everything you need to know about these watches. DS,
01:01:15
but he opens it up with, "We've been able to recover the trademark for Pebble." Honestly, I wasn't expecting it to work out so easily.
01:01:22
Yeah, I would not either. Can I share my favorite part about the Pebble re relaunch? as someone who was
01:01:27
obsessed with the Pebble when it came out and was too young to like have enough money to buy one and now now I'm
01:01:33
now I'm an adult I can um all of the the repo marketplace for all of the original
01:01:39
Pebble watch faces and apps and stuff is still up and these new core Pebbles since they're
01:01:46
running just an updated version of the OS it all still works assuming that the web services are still up. So, like
01:01:52
these watches are dropping with like thousands of apps and thousands of watch faces and like
01:01:58
it's you'll get to immediately dive into like this super cool I don't know. I am just
01:02:03
Well, they also and they're not called core anymore. They just are called Pebble Time 2 now. And Pebble Core 2 Duo and
01:02:08
Pebble Core is in the model name. Yeah. Mhm. Yes. Well, at least it is on the website. At the bottom.
01:02:14
No, the website actually is not even updated or Wait, hold on. He has it in here. It
01:02:20
said it right at the top. It is now called the Oh, this is the It's called the Pebble 2 Duo and the Pebble Time 2. There's no core in it.
01:02:27
Core. Yeah, I'm still on the Rep Pebble website, which is on Yeah. Okay. Sweet. Oh, no. Pebble. It's just called Pebble
01:02:33
now. He got the Pebble. I'm so excited, you guys. This is so exciting. Oh, but when you go to pebble.com, it
01:02:39
goes to store.google.com. He's got to He got to buy that. Well, even I guess he doesn't have the
01:02:44
domain. He just has the name. That's funny. Interesting. Even in the I want one, it's still called Core Studio and
01:02:50
Cortum. He even says in the blog post, I've been calling it core for so long, I'm going to mess that up. And there's
01:02:55
like four instances in the blog post where he calls it the old name. Yeah, that's funny. But I'm excited.
01:03:02
Sweet. This is the the farthest away from my Garmin watch I feel like it could ever be. And I kind of love it.
01:03:10
Yeah. Yeah. This is what I you know, I don't like smart watches in general. And so being
01:03:15
able to have something that's like sort of a smartwatch but also really dumb but also has really good battery life but
01:03:20
also looks kind of weird and has great watch faces. Yeah, I'm kind of excited about that. David, I've gone full circle with you.
01:03:26
When I met I was exclusively like an analog watch guy and you were a smartwatch person and then I watched you
01:03:32
get into analog and digital watches and then I got my first Apple Watch and fell in love and exclusively wore that for
01:03:37
years and now we're both going to No, now I'm back. I've stopped dailying the I took a selfie a few weeks ago. I
01:03:44
think I mentioned I took a selfie and I'm a pretty little guy and uh I was just horrified at ultra. Yeah, I have or I have the I was testing the office's
01:03:56
ultra one. Yeah, we're going to meet in the middle with an e-aper watch. Yes, it's
01:04:01
going to be fun. All right, I have two small stories that I want to talk about very quickly. Um YouTube jump ahead is
01:04:07
coming to TVs. I don't know if you guys know this feature. I use the feature all the time. Yep. Uh I feel a little bit bad because I
01:04:13
know it just skips the sponsor. No one uses that feature on our podcast. So it's fine. That's true. Don't feel bad about skipping those
01:04:19
sponsors cuz no sponsor marketing agency is smart enough to understand that that view's not going to
01:04:24
Andrew. Andrew our sponsors. Yeah. We love our I mean everyone watches ours. That's true. Nobody
01:04:29
That's why we make Ellis do them. Yeah. So that's coming to TVs which is very cool because now when I watch on my
01:04:35
projector because I often will sit in my bed and watch some stuff on my projector in the evenings. Nice.
01:04:40
Quite nice. Can I can I do this next one? Sure. Because the guy who made the video that you wanted to talk about was one of the
01:04:47
YouTubers I recommended in our waveform recommendation game so long ago. Jordan. Yeah. He made that like driverless cars will never work video, right? He made He made the really good driverless car video. He's made a He
01:04:59
does this really goofy thing where he oscillates between like really serious stuff like the world is is a scary place
01:05:06
right now video and then he'll do this video which is called uh well I don't Yeah. Wait, I have to
01:05:11
bring up the actual name. It's called I think it's called I downloaded a PNG to a bird. Saved a PNG. I said I saved a PNG to a
01:05:19
bird. Yeah. Um and it's incredible. It's where he converts a PNG to sound. Yeah. gives that teaches a bird to sing that sound, records that bird in another
01:05:32
location, and then reconverts it into a distorted version of a PNG. What was what was very You should go
01:05:37
watch this video. It's very good. Um, this guy's like an like an audio engineer who he's a musician.
01:05:42
He's like a musician, and if you go back on his YouTube channel, most of his content was like music content. And in
01:05:48
the last like couple of years, he's just started doing like wild stuff, and it's like really, really good.
01:05:53
Um, he's amazing. Yeah, he's very He's one of those people that was like, "It's funny that you did anything else before being a YouTuber
01:06:00
cuz you were like kind of made to do." Yeah, because he he's got that perfect mix of like the video quality is not
01:06:06
like insanely good. He's just like setting up wherever he can, whatever. But the what he's actually doing is like
01:06:11
so interesting and scientific and smart and cool. That's what matters. Yeah. It's it's very like Tom Scott core
01:06:17
in a lot of ways. Mark has you would really like this channel a lot. He's able Yeah. Yeah. So, what was funny about this is
01:06:24
that he went to basically teach this cockatu. I think it was called a Is it called a cockatu? It's a bird. Yeah, they can repeat things. We have the button. Do you have birds?
01:06:34
I got birds, boy. That's That was Ben Jordan, actually. They just sound very similar. He plays the sound for the bird, but he
01:06:41
doesn't hear it actually repeat it. And so, it's repeating all these other sounds, but he's recording the whole thing. And he's like, "Well, guess it
01:06:47
didn't repeat the sound that I wanted to record." And he goes home and he's just like looking at the waveform and he's like, "Wait." And he sees a picture
01:06:53
frequency, right? Yeah. Yeah. I believe it's a spectrogram. I can't quite remember from the video, but I
01:06:59
The way that he like made the sound was he like drew the sound in some software and it created the sound and then he
01:07:05
played that and he didn't hear the bird make the sound, but he was recording the whole interaction. And he goes home and he just like throws the audio on the
01:07:11
spectrogram or whatever and he randomly sees the photo of the bird that he had drawn. And then he there was a section
01:07:18
where the bird just, you know, did the sound but just slowly and quietly. That's cool. Ben Jordan, we'd love to uh we'd love to
01:07:23
meet you sometime. We could we could talk audio and and this guy I was like this guy would be Ellis's best friend.
01:07:29
We I think I think me and Mr. Jordan would be quite quite good friends. Yeah. So, all right. Well, with that, I
01:07:37
think that we should answer more questions. Actually, ask more questions. Did we do a second trivia question? Mhm.
01:07:45
I guess we should answer more questions. Uh, and it's not for points. Yeah, guys. Question number one, throwing it back to New Orleans. Go Pels, go Saints.
01:07:55
I'm not actually a fan of either of those teams, but today I am. Uh, oh, the great city of New Orleans, guys.
01:08:01
Instead of having a robot do your laundry so you could do other stuff, what classic New Orleans dish was
01:08:06
traditionally made on wash day, Monday, so that you could wash your clothes while these cooked without you touching
01:08:13
them? Can I guess two things? I am between two. This is like the worst phrased question I've ever given you, but I like
01:08:18
apologize for like I know, but I was thinking the whole episode like when I read it for the first time, like earlier
01:08:24
in the episode, like what a mishmash word salad of nons. I just picked the one that I'm sure I spelled right. The other one They have
01:08:30
the same answer. Then we have the other one. I tried to spell the other one. You tried to spell the other one. All right. Oh,
01:08:36
I wrote that then erased it and then put the easier one. Just know if you guys get this wrong, no one is allowed to party. And all three
01:08:43
of you got it wrong, but you might as well read the answers anyway. Dang it. Andrew and I Yeah,
01:08:49
Andrew and I put gumbo. That is wrong. And I said jumbo. Yep. Also wrong. Two delicious foods
01:08:54
though. Do you guys know the difference? Are they popular in New Orleans? Yes. But the correct answer was Oh, we have no drum roll button.
01:09:01
Why not? Close enough. It's red beans and rice. Oh, Claire's dad and Claire are obsessed
01:09:09
with that because you have to cook the beans all day. It's hard otherwise. Yeah, exactly. Anyway, uh we're not going to do a quick update on the score because this is purely an exhibition
01:09:20
match. We all got it wrong anyway. Showcase game. Okay, update on the score. I've got a score. Marquez with zero.
01:09:27
Andrew David also zero Andrew carrying the one with zero. All right, next question. What was the IP rating of the Microsoft Zoom?
01:09:40
Not the HD, the OG, not the Aninoi. Nick fan reference. Damn, Angie, you got it already. Oh yeah, of course it gets everywhere. Okay,
01:09:52
I'm going to win this preseason game. Yeah, postseason. The season. Postseason. No, postseason's usually more important. Yeah, preseason is just for funsies
01:10:04
like this. All right, flip them and read. What do you got? Probably X. What' you guys say?
01:10:10
I did IPX4. Oh, I did IPX3. I did IP 45. Is that a No. Is that a thing? It did not have an IP rating.
01:10:21
I knew it. I just I knew I asked I knew it at the beginning. I was like, "This is probably a freaking
01:10:27
Yeah. When you said, "Is this a trick question?" I was like, "Oh, he's on to me." Dang it. Yeah. Well, we all got tricked anyway.
01:10:33
Yeah. I hate to see it. Well, um Adam love to see that. It's officially August. You know what
01:10:40
that means? Pixels this month. iPhone's not this month. You're going to get some
01:10:45
information. Yeah. As the weeks go by, very soon. I'm going to get the orange one. I decided I think this is gonna be my
01:10:52
I think all of us are pre-ordering this thing. iPhone. iPhone. I'm getting the Oh, sorry. Pixel and iPhone. I was talking about the Pixel. Oh, I was talking about Pixel's not in orange. The The Pixel.
01:11:02
Gotcha. Gotcha. Yeah. Still ordering it though. In lemon cello. I would like to take this opportunity to
01:11:08
say this is not goodbye. This is see you soon. Oh no. Uh you're not supposed to tell them because we have to trick them to watch. Well, you'll, you know, it'll still be very
01:11:19
exciting obviously, but I will be out of town, as I've mentioned, for two episodes of the podcast. Not three. Yes, I believe it's two. Three back. You didn't make it this
01:11:31
week. What are you doing, Marquez? I will be competing in the World Games event for uh ultimate frisbee for team USA. So hopefully we have a good time.
01:11:43
It is in Changdu, China. So, I cannot join the podcast from the other side of the world. Even if I did, the time zones would be too crazy anyway. Um, so, uh, yeah, I'll be missing two weeks, but the
01:11:54
the crew is going to hold it down and we're still going to talk tech. And when I get back, we'll catch up on everything that I missed. And we have lots of fun stuff planned
01:12:00
for your absence. So, make sure you tune. Trivia is going to be worth 50 points each when you're Don't have too much fun without me.
01:12:07
Uh, and also everyone send Marquez good vibes that he wins worlds. Good vibes and good luck.
01:12:12
Comes back with a big trophy. We need another one. That would be nice. So, you'll be here for the Pixel 10
01:12:18
episode. Barely. Yeah. Right on time. Nice. So, yeah. Thank you again for watching and for listening and for tuning in this
01:12:25
week and subscribing, of course, because that's super important. And if you did subscribe, that means we'll see you next
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week. And if you don't, Marquez will lose. [Laughter] Uh, oh my goodness. How do you do this? Heard produced by Adam. The Vox Media Podcast Network is the people that
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produce us and our music is the Vein Sil guy. Bingo. I'm down. Send it. I think that's pretty good, right? It's pretty good. [Music]
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Hot take. The Zoom HD was the single greatest designed MP3 player of all time. What? MP4 player? You know the iPod exists? Yeah, I'm Did I stutter? You can buy it.
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Did I stutter? That's crazy.