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of the waveform podcast we're your hosts I'm Marquez I'm Andrew oh sorry I'm David and you're uh you have a guest with you David uh yeah what is your
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name my name is assistant that's a weird name how may I assist you today that's kind of nice yeah it's it's a rabbit yeah I also here I have the rabbit as well it's the rabbit R1 uh we got a
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bunch of stuff we're going to talk about today including our very very very early impressions of
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the rabbit just picked it up within 12 hours of recording this um also things like the cybertruck recall uh the new YouTube layout and new iPhone emulators
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and I think there's some other stuff we want to talk about too so it's a it's a good variety pack today yeah also because last week was a different kind
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of episode we kind have a little bit of a backlog so true yeah see that happens that always happens is we we have a
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bonus episode or a fun episode that's not the normal thing it's an interview and then that week a bunch of stuff
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happens on the news and then we have another week to accumulate things on top of it to also talk about so here we are
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to be fair I feel like last week Wednesday David and I were like I'm glad we're releasing this episode there's not a lot going on and then Thursday and
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Friday we're just like just kidding that always Happ so we would have missed it anyways yeah but also this week was incredibly busy newswise we got a new
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Apple event announcement this week uh it's not really coded at all it's definitely an iPad event it's got the the little apple pencil in there so
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either we'll get a new Apple pencil or they're just specifically talking about iPads that support apple pencil or whatever it's just iPads we're going to
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get a new iPad uh the event is May 7th and the rumors say possibly OLED iPad Pro and maybe also a new Apple pencil with different sizes too of the pro yeah
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the new Pro is apparently going to come in a 13in size and the airs are going to come in a 12.9 in size that's the rumor
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so cuz the pr is right it's 12.9 it's 12.9 but 13 probably thinner bezels in the same body size type stuff probably
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yeah something like that all right uh yeah I don't know I I think the iPad has a great screen already but also we've
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been waiting to see what an OLED iPad would look like forever because I love I love OLED screens so I'm excited to see
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yeah there was a rumor that possibly the magic keyboard also might get updated the the like floating floating get USBC
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probably yeah oh ises it wait is it lightning or I guess there's no charge port I thought it was USBC right now oh
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yeah I guess it wouldn't happen you're talking about the one that connects the iPad with the pins yes and makes it float I guess there's no port on that I
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thought there but if there is I think it's probably currently lightning I think it's USBC let me look it up Apple
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Magic cuz the other magic keyboard like the literal desktop magic keyboard has been lightning forever yeah that's still lightning that is those need updated so
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bad the European Union is not forcing it so it's probably not going to happen but like apple yeah come on Pride yeah it's
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USBC I thought so yeah okay so that's good oh yeah it's in like the hinge on the back yeah I remember that and it
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yeah gets dirty very easily so new iPad Pro new iPad Pro accessories maybe a new pencil new iPad stuff all getting
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refreshed remember how last year there was no new iPad stuff at all yeah so this feels like maybe we could get like
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a collection of iPad stuff that'd be nice neat yeah it's been the longest period of time between new iPad stuff
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since the launch of the iPad so really since the launch of the first mhm yeah there was a new iPad at least every year
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except there was no new iPad stuff in 2023 at all I saw one pretty one pretty big rumor um I don't know if they're going to have like time or bandwidth to actually do it but I saw that they may
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actually make a calculator app for the iPad this yeah I know it's that's a kind of a stretch like nobody expects Apple to go that hard but it's it's rumored
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they did fire the car team so maybe that's what they're working on now oh interesting they have enough resources to do it yeah they do fascinating little
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tougher but maybe the computer vision stuff is going to make that a reality I was hoping I would just use this for all
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the math stuff and not yeah like have to do it on the iPad that's what happen but if they can pull off remember so I
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talked to Craig federi back in 2020 I think yeah or 2021 maybe and I asked um yes so why is there no weather app and calculator app on the iPad and you could
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see him sit back for a second and think of what to say in his head and his answer was you know we could just scale up the weather and calculator app from the iPhone and it would be fine but we
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want to really do something where people go wow that's an amazing calc calculator
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man of the app on the iPad and so we haven't really gotten around to doing that yet those are Craig's words okay I
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don't know if he made that up on the spot or if they genuinely feel that way but it was a good answer MH but pressure's on Craig better be an incredible calcul what would like blow
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your mind to live up to the hype of not having a calculator app for how many years and then saying like we need to do
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it well I mean to be fair the amount of computing power it took to power the moon landing was as much as a calculator
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took so that's like you know Big Time app that's an app yeah for sure a lot of calculations this is wild it's huge this
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could be game changing for the iPad um yeah yeah I think I'll buy one now you know yeah see changed my mind I don't
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have calculator in my life that I'm excited about right now so this could be the one teenage engineering could make
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one and Adam would buy it not going to lie I probably would but that would be my first Teenage engineering be I sucess
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next to my coffee station that's kind of like a meme at if it could graph dude oh man that'd be pretty if it was a
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graphing calculator and it had like the teenage engineering animations for graphing so when you said what would be a calculator that actually blow my mind
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I like thought about it for a second and the only thing that came to my mind was it's just wolf from Alpha it's just just
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that yeah I have a lot of thoughts about Wolfram Alpha saved my college career yeah I love wolf from alpha but isn't that basically what large language models are now human using wolf from alfha as one
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of their so is this oh is it really yeah but wolf ala has been like significantly updated since like large language models
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came out and stuff but if you remember you could ask wolf frame Alpha math questions in plain English Ando do it
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yeah yeah it was pretty awesome yeah I would ask it for yeah I'm going to report you to Stevens [Laughter]
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no moving on moving on I think it use long short-term memory and not Transformers but that's probably the
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only difference for anyway well speaking of speaking of um metal things cuz the iPad's made of metal speaking of angles that are in
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calculators ma angles 45° I was going to say you know what the opposite of a release is a recall a recall uh that's a pretty speaking of wait really is that
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what it is I mean a release is where you give oh a recall is where you take and speaking of recalls Apple did oh no Tesla did a Total Recall Tesla did
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a Total Recall oh I love that movie but the original one yeah haven't seen that one me neither it's okay anyway continue but i' I've been driving the Cyber truck around and that's become very quickly
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the number one question people ask about it is how about that recall huh that's crazy uh it's very quickly become like
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everyone's headlines so the details are are actually kind of weird and interesting but we learned a bunch of
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stuff first of all the actual cybertruck recall is on the accelerator pedal and the story is the adhesive that holds the pedal itself to the the pad that it's on
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it's like the like it's weird calling it the pedal which I guess it kind of is but there's like the actual physical
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thing that hinges up and down and then almost like the and then the thing on top of that looks nice yeah yeah has
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like grip to it yeah exactly that touches your shoe those two things are like glued together adhesive together
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whatever I don't even know how common that is but apparently there was an unapproved change in the adhesive process or whatever that involved soap
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and so if some people smashed the pedal hard enough with their foot it actually uh unglued it and like tore off and because of this perfect angle up and we did a short about this this perfect
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angle up in front of the pedal it could get torn off and then lodged right underneath this little wedge which would
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hold the accelerator pedal down as it's lodged there full throttle and that would hold Full Throttle on your truck
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which would not be great obvious well not obviously luckily holding down the brake overrides that so if you are
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someone who finds yourself in a situation unintentionally accelerating in any vehicle hit the brakes please that should be your first response
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but um the fact that that's even possible is a gigantic safety issue so Tesla has recalled all cyber trucks and
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what that means because people use the word recall a lot and it kind of means different things in different places
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yeah what that means is they've decided uh to issue a fix and everyone whose vehicles have been delivered can be issued that fix whether they need to bring it back to a service center or a
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software update whatever it is with this one Tesla has to fix figure out how to fix everyone's pedals so we learned how
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many trucks they've made about 3,900 trucks all of them will have to go back at some point to some service center and I've had recalls before with Teslas where they reach out and they literally
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like schedule you in for a service center appointment you drive in whatever it is five minutes they'll apply their
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fix with this one it feels like they're going to bolt the pedal down have you seen the videos yet I've seen some
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videos of it yeah I don't know if that's temporary or if that's the fix that they're going to do the fix it's like one of those things that feels like a
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quicker temporary thing and but then you got a hole in your pedal yeah and like a
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rivet in it I I'm happy that it's a physical thing holding it down and not just them regluing it because that would
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feel I way less safe but I would prefer the reglue as long as it didn't have soap in it I I don't know something
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physically holding that together in the sense of launching your car at full speed I it's kind of interesting too cuz
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they only they only bolt it in the the r is only in the bottom of the pedal and they don't do it on both so I in my head I was like what happens if it like comes loose and starts swinging around uh I'm assuming it's like in a track and then
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all it can do is go forward and then so one rivet should hold that fully together yeah they it looks like they
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have this little device that slides down on the pedal lines it up perfectly at the bottom drill through install a rivet
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I saw some people being upset that it just like doesn't look nice on a very expensive car can't remember the last
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time I looked at it I'm happy that it's physically in there instead of glue anymore um yeah in terms of like the
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recall stuff I I do think in EVS like there have been so many EV headlines of like a recall happening and it probably gets blown out of proportion this one probably seems like one that is pretty
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pretty damn unsafe in terms of yeah Full Throttle similar to the the Prius recall
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that happened where the mat do you remember that I think it was a yeah it was toyot the Prius cuz my mom my mom
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had a Prius and she had to get she had to bring her in service on her but the the stock mat that came with it was like
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getting stuck under the accelerator pedal cuz it would get stuck on your shoes and it would slide forward and it
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would get stuck under and so they basically like would take the mat out and like replace it with one that didn't
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have like as big of a ring on it so the headline will say Toyota recalled a million PRI you're like oh no but it's
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the floor mat it's not you have to actually read a little bit to figure out what's happening it's not like they're
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replacing the battery or there's an engine failure or something so yeah it's uh I think the headlines are pretty
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juicy but you know recalls are kind of all over the map when this one's probably at the top I think two people
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had this happened to them out of all 4,000 cyber trucks so they're like all right happens once you're like okay that's a freak accident happens twice it
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reminded me of like uh when the note 7s started having like battery issues you're like how many until Samsung
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explode before we think this is a problem someone's house burns down and it's like when three only one when when
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one phone explodes it seems crazy but like I could see any phone having one maybe a puncture or something crazy happens when two happen you're like oh interesting and then three and then
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three I think is the number yeah it's like how many how many ostriches would you have to see before you were like
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wait a second something's happening two is a CO incidence three is a is a yeah problem so yeah two happened it was
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enough for Tesla decide to take to look into it and to issue the recall and they'll have their fix hopefully pretty
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soon and that's the recall details yeah it's funny because Tesla's actually had a lot of recalls but they're usually
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just software updates and like for example they had to update software because the little icons that said like
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when a stop sign was coming up or something like that weren't big enough to like meet industry standards I think
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that was considered a recall so it's just kind of a weird thing because you're not they're not actually recalling the cars like they used to
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they can just do a lot of these I mean this has been like this own is their I think this has been the case in all cars for many many years every every car
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you've probably ever driven has had some sort of recall at some point they're all yeah yeah is there a level of recall
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where they actually take the car back was the probably what about the Bol a few years ago that was like catching on fire I don't know they should have taken
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oh no sorry when the um when they finish your thought I think so I'm not 100% sure on this but my friend had a diesel VW something and when the whole
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like dieselgate stuff came out he got money towards a new car for something I don't know what that was
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but um the yeah all the diesel was pretty pretty bad I feel like the Mustang Mach they should have recalled
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when the roofs were falling off I mean Tesla have fallen off also I always ask how many how many times that happen I think it was like three oh yeah there been a few wasn't there also a model Y
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where if you hit a puddle fast enough it ripped the whole bumper off or a model three I'm sure yeah I'm sure every car
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has a spe you hit a puddle fast enough I I think it was like a enough to happen where it's like this shouldn't uh weird shouldn't really be a thing yeah hey I'm just goingon to throw it back to the the
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cybertruck review where I I literally have a section in the review where I say hey there will be more low Vin
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cybertruck production issues I literally told you guys this would happen yeah so
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don't say I didn't warn you there will be more low Vin cybertruck production issues but hey that's part of the loin
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thing yeah uh with a cybertruck what else speaking of Tesla oh that's an easy this is literally all part of the same PR much speaking of Tesla um well first of Off full self- driving
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is now $88,000 so it's gone down in price again when they were always sort of talking a big game about how valuable
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it is the car and will only go up in price has it gone down yet this is the first time it's gone down no uh yeah no
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it's the second time it went it was at 15,000 once and then it's been at 12,000 for a while and now it went down to
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8,000 yeah it's fluctuating it's a Market yeah based on the stock price he's mentioned multiple times that it's not going down right if the stock price is falling full subop driving would be cheaper if the stock price is going up
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the price will go up it's just the most obvious like juicing your numbers ever seen well they've been they're trying so
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hard to get people to buy this because they we had we talked about the thing a couple weeks ago where every time you
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take delivery they have to do a test drive of full self driving to try to get you to buy it they reduced the
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subscription price from $1.99 to 9 9 and now the actual just buying it all out is
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$8,000 instead of 12,000 and if you paid the $6,000 uh like bonus self-drive what is it even called there's so many names autopilot
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enhanced autopilot if you bought that for $6,000 you can upgrade to full soft driving for 2,000 right so I came up
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sorry I just came up with a theory in my head just now I think it might be right okay is uh
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like Tesla is basically the only EV company that like makes a margin on their cars and I think the entire margin
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is getting people to buy autopilot but I doubt that many people buy it well when
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they do it's just free money they don't have to deliver anything new yeah they just unlock whatever software is done at
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time which is how they like their their used inventory thing that's how that always worked was they would they would
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let people lease the vehicles then they would not allow you you can't buy a Tesla off of a lease so they would take
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it back install full self-driving on it say $115,000 value and then sell it to sell it to people for basically the price of a new car yeah because it had the full stoft driving pre-installed so
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it's just up to Tesla to convince people of its value yep and they're trying real hard yep to conv P its value yeah so if
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you paid $155,000 a few years ago now it's half the price of what it was after not only being told cuz cuz wasn't it every time it was like buy
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this now because it's only going to go up the future which is like super fomo that's how you should buy this and there
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was even a point where Elon said something like he estimates the value of full self-driving to be around $100,000
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which is like what you will say when you want to convince someone of its value yeah and obviously people who hear that
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are like well then I should get that now so that eventually in 3 or four years when it's ready my car will have it and
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I didn't have to pay way more than these people would and I have a theory about this too because theoretically the robo
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taxi unveiling is happening on August 8th MH um at the earnings call that happened on the 23rd they showed off a
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mockup of what the ride hailing app for the fleet will be it looks pretty cool yeah it's probably just a mockup it's just a mockup and I have a feeling that the whole reason they're doing this like
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Robo taxi unveiling is another way to try to get people to buy fall self- driving right now because theoretically
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if you have a Tesla and they're like oh they're going to turn on FSE they're going to turn on the robo taxi thing I
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got to buy it now while it's cheap so when it turns on I can make money on my car yeah I can already see the way this
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but they're going to unveil it and then it's not going to come out for four years it'll be super super slow beta
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testing to the most frenzied fans the way they did I don't know if they're even going to do that the way autopilot
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like when you see autopilot videos on YouTube now of like people who only have a YouTube channel where they just do autopilot videos it's those people who
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will probably get early access to it and it'll start to technically be a thing that really is released but that
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honestly most people but like a fully autonomous Tesla that picks you up and brings you around it be reg locked it
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will be extremely difficult to access what is the robo taxi unveiling I thought just the cars were the robo taxi
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so the theory is the theory is you buy a Tesla and because the Tesla has enough hardware and software smarts to be fully self-driving that someday Tesla will hit
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this big green button to unlock your car to go drive around and be in Uber for you without you being in the car yeah
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yes but then what Robo taxi are they unveiling that's my question CU it's already out is it not thought that's yeah I thought they already unveiled the robo taxi it's my car is now that's what
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I thought too and it's possible that's the C it's very unclear but the this news just came out this morning too that
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apparently they're going to be releasing the cheap car in 2025 which was apparent first it was
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apparently canceled and now it's apparently back on the table and I just don't really believe any of this stuff because I kind of just feel like elon's
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like please don't let our stock tank and he's just saying anything he can to like get which worked the stock went up this
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morning yeah after the earnings call it works it really does work this yeah I don't know what robot taxi unveiling means I don't think it means any or I don't if it gets unveiled that means everything he said in 2019 of these will
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be Robo taxis next year right just it either means you need a new car to do this or they lied yeah yeah also they gave everybody 30 days of full stoft driving for free without asking and they
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turn it on and I used it a couple times and I really don't like it it's it feels
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a a few times I've been like if I do not disengage it right now I'm going to die
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and I just like I would not get like even wh which is really good I've taken it a couple times in San Francisco still doesn't go on the freeway like will not get on the freeway wayo doesn't go on
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the freeway it's they're soon going to be able to get on the free just to go to SFO but right now it just around San
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Francisco wow okay yeah uh I would never right now get in a fully autonomous full
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stuff driving Tesla to like drive around because based on what we've seen based on my car I wouldn't yeah I would not do
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that yeah we did we did do that video and there's a ton of software updates that people always like to point out are
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are improving things over time so I watch the videos about it but we did that video like two years a year and a half ago or whatever it was on letting
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my car drive me here and the couple of inter interventions I had to make um yeah I don't think I I don't want to be in the back seat like maybe in a few years but right now I just do not feel
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like it's ready yeah so there's this whole Theory now about how it's reading people's hand gestures cuz somebody did
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like a it was like going through a residential street and they like joged out from behind a car because people will just test the stuff they're like
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jog out from behind the car now and they jog out from behind the car in front of the self-driving Tesla and the car stops
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and he just like freezes and the car doesn't move and then he waves it through and then the car goes through
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what and so now the theory is like oh it's looking at people and their hand gestures too interesting I saw another video of a wh car with a cop trying to
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tell it to go somewhere else and it was just like and the people inside are like I don't get to do anything I'm in the
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back seat yeah I also saw a video or a picture of a guy with a stop sign t-shirt yeah that was really funny stop sign t-shirt yeah and I think the car picked
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it up I don't know maybe I was maybe I got with that but no it was yeah he he was able to stop like most of the Whos with the stop sign t-shirt there was only one really late at night when it
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was super dark where it didn't stop this it's called this goofy shirt paralyzes robotex it's pretty funny and he's also
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an ex Tesla engineer too which I think is makes it kind of funny wait I don't know if this is too Niche but because
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everyone's Tik Tok page is unique but I saw someone on my Tik Tok the other day which was a guy at a Costco who had like
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five rotisserie chickens in his cart and he goes do not scan the chickens just scan my shirt and he had a barcode for
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rotisserie chicken on his shirt he's like no LEDs on the chickens just my shirt and they scanned it and it worked
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and it that guy also is really sad there moving um rotisserie chickens to bags so he's he said he was stocking up on the
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old ones no that's fine dude as someone who buys a lot of rotisserie chickens the bag is a superior I think the bag is
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superior I mean you're not arguing with me you're arguing with I'm arguing with who the guy who's he
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just didn't want you to scan no the guy's mad that he's he was stocking up on chicken so he could have the rotisserie chicken containers it's it's
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on a video yeah yeah I can't tell if this is a bit to it kind of feels like feel a bit but yeah it's a guy with a
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barcode cuz it's moving to bags and he wants the containers so he's going to put the the bag in the no I think he's
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going to dump it out of the bag into the Container I don't know if you're buying artiserie chickens band the bag is the way to go when it's in the it's in your
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bag with the rest of your groceries you don't get bags of Costco oh true I don't have a Costco card yeah it's cool kids
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club I've always the container oh the B oh the bag I see what you're saying I I think the container is
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fine whatever how did I get this far out that is your fault you started this we're going to settle this oh God is a rotisserie chicken bag or container the superior way to buy
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one I'll be shocked if it answers I'm here to assist you with relevant information rotis the question please feel free to ask it just told you
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straight up that's not a useful question not a useful question W yeah yeah Welly well there's a little preview to the
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rabbit wait one more thing before a Break YouTube has this new layout that's floating around I have not gotten this layout have you guys seen this I dude I
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haven't you have it yeah it's awful wait let me on your desktop yes okay so there's a new YouTube app layout wait
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not on this oh it's on my other computer so you have it your computer desktop browser yes not an app just a desktop
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browser like this yeah so it's this really really big player related videos underneath and then everything else to the right yeah which I get that they change things sometimes but I just feel
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like the title always should be like next to the video right underneath the video it feels like it has to be bigger
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the title is way too small it just feels like they're trying to cramp as much information for your balls to be
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addicted to as possible so they put three huge videos right below it so that you just keep staying on the platform
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and they kind of hide the comments like it's underneath the description and it's hard to find can you scroll through the
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comments while the video stays yeah on top yeah you can that's the only thing I can see beneficial about this even in
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their sense of like wanting you to click more videos like I think the side scroll
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the side videos has way more options of different things to click where if like you don't hit with the three recommended
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in this you lose do you guys think this is crazy in Japan the most popular video streaming service is called Nik Niko
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talk and while you're watching a YouTube video the comments just go over the video like a live stream like a yeah but
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like they just all like go over the front of the video and if there's to so many people commenting sometimes you
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literally cannot see the video because it's just comments streaming by that is odd it's wild I got to say that's really
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odd so I think this is kind of what they're going for because they put the comments right on the right so you can like watch the video while you're looking at the I can understand having
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the video up and still reading the comments on the right but it looks really bad what I can tell from this is
00:27:09
that they they're learning that everybody now has ADHD because everyone needs to multitask
00:27:15
at the same time I'm curious you have this layout yeah the four related videos underneath is that scrollable too um no
00:27:25
okay like left right or there's more there's more under there's more under it oh sometimes there's like six to
00:27:30
eight yeah or six to n i mean obviously YouTube benefits from getting you to click around between videos a lot so I
00:27:37
think that's what they want I think they want you to like cuz the thumbnails are a lot bigger than they are bigger
00:27:42
they're way bigger than if you're already watching a video because the thumbnails are small when they're on the side but when you're on the homepage
00:27:48
they're big and they're they're only a little smaller than the homage video size and I think that they just want you
00:27:54
to see in your peripheral vision a video that you're interested in so that as soon as this one ends you click on
00:28:00
another one I get it I just think mechanically like I would rather scroll between more related videos and pick my favorite there yeah than scroll between
00:28:11
comments I agree videos up but I think that like they're kind of taking the Tik Tok approach where it's just like keep
00:28:17
moving just keep going it seems like we're descending into Autos scrolling where like there's just one related video underneath like ready to play as soon as the first one ends soon you'll never pick a video in the YouTube
00:28:29
algorithm I mean it kind of does it has autoplay already it's already doing that you know what's crazy sometimes I watch
00:28:36
a YouTube video and I fall asleep to it and every morning when I wake up it always I had like watched a 4 Hour 4H
00:28:43
Hour episode of The W show it's always the W show every single day same it's also the W show I hate I think YouTube I hate it I think it when it knows that you're like not engaging with it and it
00:28:56
kind of thinks you're sleeping so it just plays the longest possible video so that they can make the most possible ad
00:29:02
R you know what is my guess totally not awesome waking up to the sound of lonus Sebastian every morning yeah that
00:29:11
happens to me a lot I have a different Theory okay I think your guys's algorithms
00:29:16
include the the show but it doesn't but I never get suggested the W show on my suggestions ever it only Auto plays same
00:29:25
that is weird I cuz they're all four hours I my theory is that YouTube makes more money because it plays more ads on a 4our thing and if it knows you're asleep it's like we can trick the advertisers by getting them to pay more
00:29:38
numbers they definitely want to I'm shocked that it's not your recommended I think you've blacked it out from I think
00:29:43
it ising right it's not Ellis either I promise the exact same thing happened to me I I'm with David that I think it goes
00:29:50
oh Ellis is down to like watch all like one of these all the way through starting at 3:00 a.m. so at 3:00 a.m.
00:29:56
it's like let's get the W show cooking why did it immediately go full screen I am not sure if autoplay not the new is computer I'm looking oh when you open a
00:30:08
video I think your autoplay Q is already stacked it's already built no matter what your behavior is really based on the first video for for Infinity time I don't know how long I think there's some
00:30:19
list but I think if that 4H hour thing is anywhere in there it's going to be the thing you wake up on whether it's the second video or I guess if you sleep
00:30:25
for 4 hours it wouldn't be but if it's the 10 video or the 20th video you're going to wake up to every now and then I
00:30:31
get like a lonus video but I get but lus is but wo's on the lonus channel yeah I only get wow I don't get regular lonus
00:30:38
videos and there are no you don't know you just don't wake up to them you just only wake up to WN show though the W
00:30:44
show is 4 hours which gives you a really high likelihood of that being the thing in the but that's also the one that
00:30:49
stops Auto playing after it always stops autop playing after a w show soz when I wake up it's like you just watched a
00:30:55
4-Hour W show but we stopped autop playing videos I I ALS I also think it's the watch time because the only other
00:31:02
Channel that I watch the entirety of like two plus hour videos is hbomber guy and now that I've watched like four or five of those like giant hbomber Guy videos it started to autoplay those
00:31:16
starting at the 2 to 4 a.m. slot my conspiracy theory is that YouTube can tell advertisers look how many ads we served and if they like know that you're not really watching they just play super
00:31:28
long videos so that they can but we're YouTube pries yeah I mean it still counts as ad well watch time yeah it's
00:31:35
watch time I guess only for them not for YouTube yeah I guess that's not benefiting YouTube yeah what you should do when you go to sleep is turn on the
00:31:42
5H hour Elemento key typing test that I made and listen to that that actually would be I will do that actually that could be really nice I'm just saying that's why I made it five hours finger
00:31:54
rain before we go to break I want to I want to give everyone a challenge make a video on your subbox that you were going
00:32:00
to watch and then just like the autocomplete challenge just hit next in autoplay like 10 times and see where it
00:32:06
takes you oh God like on this video if you just pulled up this video on YouTube hit next 10 times and see where it takes
00:32:12
you and leave a comment come back and tell me where it took you are we all doing this right now wherever Auto completes well I'm do it I want people
00:32:18
to do it on this episode of this podcast and see where it takes them oh wait so we shouldn't do it how do I click yeah
00:32:24
oh no I'm doing it let's go I would watch video it's that next but I just Buton on YouTube yeah for your next autoplayed video oops sorry that's what was going to show up in next went I
00:32:34
don't have a next button next to the play button it's right next to the play button how many times do I click I know that exist one 10 maybe two I just think
00:32:43
it's like when you hit autocomplete on your phone you write I space and then just fill in the blanks for the rest of
00:32:49
the sentence I think that tell that says a lot about you that's your personal algorithm that was very interesting mine
00:32:56
did very specific things it did three so I clicked on a a disc golf channel called Another Round Disc Golf it played three of those then it played five hour
00:33:07
plus long uh RuneScape lowii beats like music channels and then played three Lawrence music videos like it sectioned them not like staggered it went three
00:33:19
disc golf five RuneScape three Lauren so I started on a coffeezilla video it played another coffeezilla video and
00:33:25
then it played eight Last Week Tonight episod why is it doing it in order I got something totally different I clicked on
00:33:30
a secret base video shout out and then it played nine I did a thing videos I was not expecting it to keep going in I did one I did a a Doug deiro
00:33:42
video and then I got a bunch of cars and bids videos in a row and then the last one of them was a car spotting video and
00:33:48
then I got a bunch of other channels car spotting videos this what's car spot this got people go out into cities and take videos of cool cars they see it's like train spotting but even more Niche
00:34:01
no that's not true car spotting is train spotting is I know that this type of train is going to go through this station at this time and I'm going to go
00:34:07
look at it that's a Michael Fisher activity right plane spotting plane spotting is fun plane spotting is I know
00:34:13
that this plane lands or takes off from this airport at this time and I'm going to watch that this that can be cool so
00:34:20
car spotting where new yor I respect people having interests our parking lot is probably a good they're not quite low enough to really be like oh it's that
00:34:31
maybe if I had a Samsung Galaxy with 100x zoom man if I had a Samsung you could take a picture of it and the moon
00:34:37
would be there okay we are off the rails we're going to take a quick break I feel like
00:34:42
this happens every time we talk about YouTube UI this is that's exactly how I expected it to go uh but we we will come
00:34:48
back and talk about the rabbit R1 our thoughts here and iPhone emulators of course but before we take a quick break
00:34:53
we should do a quick round of our world famous section where we do the thing where we answer questions
00:35:05
trivia trivia question where's Adam well I I straight up thought he was going to be in today I didn't realize he was going to be gone where is Adam Molina you're not gonna get what is Adam
00:35:18
Molina's address answering impossible questions Adam Molina is currently located in Brooklyn New York United States in his LinkedIn profile oh wow oh that's just where currently in
00:35:30
Brooklyn New York he should be at the podcast Adam what the hell I mean that's pretty cool it knew it was him that's
00:35:36
impressive that's impressive so gentlemen you guys are not allowed to actually you can use the rabbit for the trivia question perfect where in the world say the trivia question say it
00:35:48
wait I I I have I can do a harder trivia question if we want to open it up to rabbits yeah and then Marquez and I will
00:35:54
both use the rabbit see if get different if you're going to use it the rule is you your answer has to be what the
00:36:00
rabbit says like you can't and you have to write all of it down I'm not using it I have faith it can be that this why we
00:36:07
can make this one I don't know why no no no we'll go we'll maybe if we have time at the end we'll include it but you guys got me really stoked when we were
00:36:14
talking about a teenage engineering calculator so both of my questions are vaguely calculator related today the
00:36:20
second one more than the first one the first one actually has nothing to do with calculators but calculator on the iPad
00:36:28
got me really stoked and it made me think about the last app Apple took forever to release on the iPad
00:36:36
weather and so my question for you is how many years into the iPad's lifespan did it take for Apple to put their weather app on it is this closest Delta
00:36:49
I was going to ask if you guys wanted to do closest Delta or are yeah in in beta range multiple people can get points
00:36:56
type beat in beta range where you have like a target range and if you're within three yeah like if you're in this you
00:37:01
get this I think we should do closest Delta like I agree for closest Delta and we should definitely ask rabbit both of
00:37:07
these questions at the end of the episode after we answer after we answer if the rabbit can get the second question that would be really I actually
00:37:13
think that question good ask it yeah I think for it to answer specifically the answer you're looking for the the like it took a long time for the weather up
00:37:24
to come out how long was it available with without the weather app is a hard thing to actually answer straight up the
00:37:30
question is will it get it right and you can't just trust it going to have to look it up anyway yeah it could
00:37:37
confidently just say something yeah well we will all think about that our answers will be at the end like usual we'll be
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00:40:05
right welcome back this is the part where we talk rabbit R1 I have uh I'm holding the rabbit R1 here uh David is also holding a rabbit R1 Andrew is this
00:40:17
where I would be holding one would be holding one if I had one um for those unfamiliar the rabbit R1 how do I
00:40:24
describe this so there's a new category of device it is Hardware focused on AI I guess that's the best way to put it Hardware driven by AI the most recent of which is the
00:40:38
infamous Humane AI pin that you might have seen I reviewed it it was not good the other that's coming out in a staggeringly similar timeline or at least within a few weeks of the AI pin
00:40:50
is this the rabbit R1 they are supposed to be able to do a lot of the same stuff
00:40:56
but they do have some very notable obvious differences and it's kind of like it reminds me of when the Tesla Model S
00:41:03
came out and then every electric vehicle for the next four years was compared to the model S whether or not they were
00:41:08
even remotely in the same category it would be like here's a F-150 Lightning versus Tesla Model S it's like one of
00:41:14
them is a pickup truck but because they're in the same category of electric they just get compared to each other
00:41:19
yeah so the rabbit R1 is it is different from the Humane pin has a screen it has a screen it's the size of like a postage
00:41:26
uh I would say like a Post-it note stack M roughly that's that's a way better analogy holy hell that's Fant what have
00:41:32
people been saying that it's the size of like a phone it's like half the size of a phone it's also like a Galaxy Z flip
00:41:37
that's exactly when it's full exactly uh it has a camera that swivels it is not wearable at least without additional accessories it's supposed to be in your pocket it has a button belt clip with
00:41:48
this would be fire it would be fire could be uh it is a touchscreen it does not make phone calls or send text
00:41:54
messages but it does have a SIM card tray for cellular data um 4G 4G data but the idea is mostly the same that you're carrying around AI in a separate box
00:42:06
from your phone with you to do some things that you don't do on your phone yeah that's the high level of what this
00:42:13
is there are obvious upsides and downsides upside being could do some cool neat stuff and be very helpful downside being now you charge twice as many things now you carry twice as many
00:42:24
things now you spend twice as many dollars um but I will say the rabbit is $200 and
00:42:31
does not have a monthly subscription until you buy a data only Sim and then you have a monthly plan um unlike the
00:42:37
Humane pin which was $700 7 or $800 plus the $24 a month for the services and data that comes with it so I think they're going to lean into that as being their number one differentiator is it's
00:42:49
much cheaper and I'll tell you right now it makes sense holding it exactly why it's cheaper this is a very basic screen
00:42:58
this is uh it is made of I believe it's plastic I'm going to double check but it's this bright neon orange it's collab
00:43:04
and design with teenage engineering um but it's not like this hunk of metal or anything crazy like that and the
00:43:11
processor and internals are very minimal Med it comes in a cardboard box with a plastic shell around it and it it
00:43:18
doesn't even come with a brick or a cable like it it's obviously they're making money just on the hardware here fine
00:43:24
but what does it do would you actually carry this these are very early Impressions we picked it up last night yeah uh it's been sitting here in the studio for less than three hours what
00:43:36
are your initial thoughts David so I want to talk about what the dream of what this product is supposed to be I
00:43:43
think that's a good place to start yeah so their whole thing which is very different from the Humane AI pin is they
00:43:50
have a thing called the large action model yeah and the idea there is when new products come out this happens with like Razer all the time they'll come out with some new like oh we put new RGB
00:44:02
lights in this and if a game developer wants to they can plug into our open API and use it and then one game uses it because they partner with them to use it and nobody else uses it and when you're
00:44:14
trying to build out a product based on an open API but you're a new product Uber doesn't care about you mhm like nobody cares about you right so their whole idea is is hm we're not going to
00:44:29
deal with apis we're going to learn how people use web apps on their computer and we're just going to teach an AI how to click things for it so it's going to
00:44:40
do uh semantic segmentation to understand what buttons are what icons are so that if you train it enough it can click and you say play this on Spotify for me it'll in the cloud
00:44:54
somewhere click around the the fake buttons on the Spotify in the cloud to start playing it on the device this makes a lot of sense yeah from a high level I will say between the Humane AI
00:45:06
pin and this this like fundamental idea that the that the rabbit should eventually get to I love me too because this whole thing and I talked
00:45:18
about this in that last video is I want an assistant that I can treat like a human assistant yeah I don't have a
00:45:24
human assistant but what I want is to be able to talk this device like a human for it to understand me like a human and
00:45:30
then it can go do things like a human and if I were to get a human assistant you would also theoretically need to
00:45:36
train them to do certain things like the first time I ever say hey can you book flights they're like okay well do you
00:45:41
like window seats or aisle seats what airlines what you know airport do you prefer all that stuff but once you train
00:45:47
them once or twice they should just get it and be able to do it yeah and that is exactly how you treat this idea right it
00:45:55
should just be able to do whatever you can do because it's doing the same actions that you would do and it takes
00:46:01
that off your plate and if you ever need to train it it should be able to accept that training and do more stuff so
00:46:06
fundamentally doesn't have any apps or any apis it can interact with things the same way you can and I love that part
00:46:13
yeah in the AI space they call these agents rabbit is calling them rabbits which is it's just an agent cool yeah uh
00:46:21
so you know when you when you teach your rabbit how to do stuff for you you do have to train it how to use a website or an app right because it's B it's basically based on like web apps and
00:46:34
like computer apps and the high level idea is that there's like a training Suite where you basically record your
00:46:40
screen and it learns how you click on things so during the keynote last night they gave a demo where they were
00:46:47
training it how to buy an iPhone for you on Amazon so they basically like recorded the screen of the person going
00:46:53
on Amazon clicking searching iPhone 14 clicking the cart now the pro problem right now is that the approach they're taking is very similar to the Tesla full
00:47:05
self driving approach which is it needs to see every situation to learn it correct and when Tesla Tesla sold cars
00:47:13
that were cars first and then something that was happening that the cars were just doing in the background that people
00:47:19
didn't have to manually do themselves was it was recording all of the drives it was seeing a bunch of situations and
00:47:25
how the human handled it yeah and it was also able to like recognize objects by just taking in an insane amount of data
00:47:32
and putting that in the cloud and and using that as a model it didn't even necessarily this is just semantics but
00:47:38
it didn't even necessarily recognize the object like it doesn't see a stop sign for their first time and go what is that
00:47:43
and then the human stops and it goes oh stop sign it never even knows that it's a stop sign it just goes when I see that
00:47:49
again this is my behavior because this is how you're supposed to handle this yeah yeah yeah which makes sense but the
00:47:54
the fact that that was like you were people were just just buying the cars anyway cuz they were like trendy and electric and cool and then that was an
00:48:01
additional thing that was happening in the background the thing with rabbit is when they first announced it they showed off the training program the training
00:48:08
model and all this stuff and theoretically they have 800 apps trained um the problem right now is something they said last night at The Kino is for every app that you train you
00:48:21
have to develop an interface to interact with the app on the screen on the rabbit
00:48:27
and that takes a lot of ux design manh hours yeah so what they want to do what they're building towards is a generative ux thing where you train the thing it
00:48:38
automatically knows oh this is a music app oh this is a shopping app and it develops the buttons on the device
00:48:44
itself this is a little bit of a let down because currently uh besides being able to do the all all the chat GPT stuff that it you know because it's a chat GPT box basically and answering
00:48:56
your question whatever it currently connects to four apps uh Spotify door Dash Uber and mid
00:49:05
Journey so these are the ones where the experience is fully built out the way they want it to be they have a ux on the
00:49:12
device for that experience so that means like taking Spotify for example I call up the I pull up the rabbit and I start to ask for a task from Spotify and it has a screen on it so that if I do need
00:49:24
additional input I can interact with it there mhm so like I say pull up and play
00:49:30
the most popular song from Han Zimmer's discography and then it goes well here's the most popular one do you want to play
00:49:36
the second most popular one too and that's how you interact you want me to demo it right now uh sure we'd have to
00:49:42
out sure but it'll the point is it has a screen yeah and unlike the Humane pin you can directly interact with it on the screen right away yeah because there's a little UI built yeah but that's only for
00:49:54
these four apps and for all the rest of the hundreds you either can't make any adjustments or you just kind of have to
00:50:01
trust that what it's doing is what you want yeah are there any music artists that were're whitelisted on this channel
00:50:06
for that I can play Vil you can do vinil yeah okay it's also an interesting name if it understands it play the best songs
00:50:12
from 20sl okay starting the music player now okay so it's playing a 20 song you can see it on the screen um and because
00:50:24
it's just I'm going to stop this just so it's not being annoying okay I can pause
00:50:30
cool uh because it's playing it attached to my Spotify when you open up Spotify on my laptop you can see the same song
00:50:38
is being played on my laptop so you don't see a mouse like moving around and clicking things because it's doing it in the back end but that's how they get
00:50:44
around the API thing is that they have like a virtual semantically understood like these are where the buttons are I'm recognizing the buttons I'm clicking the buttons for you and then I'm pushing
00:50:54
that to your rabbit like macro type activities yes it reminds me so much of like like botting in video games
00:51:02
like RuneScape used to just literally be like if you don't want to do this really really tedious grind of some 100% yeah
00:51:09
dumb activity like tree cutting you would just download a bot that knows how to do it MH yeah yeah this is the bot
00:51:16
going to RuneScape bot real good I can't wait yeah so yeah it's a little bit of a bummer that right now there's only four
00:51:22
apps that have U uxs on it so otherwise it's got effectively the same functionality as the Humane AI pin um although in our four I would say it can
00:51:33
do a lot just by interacting with those 800 apps that the Humane pin couldn't but you you can't interact with them
00:51:39
they're trained but you can't interact with them I can't do anything with them no because you can't sign into your
00:51:45
account there has to be a ux to be able to sign into the account to interact with the app oh that's so true yeah
00:51:50
because then when I so that's funny when I logged in I I logged into Spotify yeah and it was it was kind of funny I went
00:51:57
into the web portal and it was very clearly like I'm going through a macro instruction phase right now by signing in and like putting in it wasn't just a normal username password thing it it
00:52:08
felt like it was did you through this no I signed in in the web portal oh okay and the mouse button was different like
00:52:15
all these things were different about it which felt like I am teaching it right now how to log into my account and I did and now it works but I do realize now
00:52:23
you need that UI just to log into any account any app so it's like different it's not just like the like normal
00:52:30
little popup that comes up that's like link this or like sign in with your Google account it looked just like that
00:52:35
no it looked just like that but the mouse was different and the window was like windowed off like three times it
00:52:42
look kind of kind of weird so and that's in the like uh web in the web portal the
00:52:47
rabbit hole portal okay so like you look like you were on essentially like a virtual machine inside of a web portal
00:52:54
that actually what it is it is a it is a virtual machine right yeah interesting that feels so weird I get it but it
00:53:01
feels weird like it is a very smart way from a high level to get around the API problem um however you run into some weird things like when you're setting up the rabbit you have to do it on your
00:53:12
laptop because if you do it on a phone there is a mouse that is floating that you can't move exactly oh so because
00:53:21
unless you like plugged in a mouse to your Android phone and moov the mouse physically it doesn't let you do
00:53:27
here's a question and I know we're still so we're only on four apps right now right even though they said 800 trained
00:53:33
or something like that right which yeah hopefully comes out sometime soon everyone loves the launch of a product
00:53:39
with none of the things they promised originally soon um but like just for example we just talked about YouTube
00:53:45
completely changing their whole web layout design yes what are we going to get when if YouTube's on there or door
00:53:53
Dash is a new updates their design and buttons are different the idea is like the way that scripts work like for
00:53:59
example Fuji recently released a special edition X100 V they got scalped instantly when it went on sale and the
00:54:06
way that those scalpers work is uh you're predetermining what area of the screen to click and then the macros just do it but the way that they're doing this is they're semantically
00:54:17
understanding what is this button like if I see this green button with a play logo I know that's a play button and
00:54:24
therefore I know to click that so even if gets moved on the screen somewhere else thetically it already knows to
00:54:30
click that and that means play yeah what if like let's take for instance the like button or it used to be a five star
00:54:36
rating on like YouTube then switch to a thumbs up like button like you can have a significant change it have to be
00:54:41
retrained yeah yeah fun so the training is a weird thing because we were talking about the Tesla full self-driving
00:54:48
approach um they were originally I think just going to like the the the training
00:54:53
of how do I use this web app and you can just train it yourself that was something that was super exciting about
00:54:59
this device that I think a lot of people are hyped on because it's like oh even if I have this really narrow use case that only me and a few other people do
00:55:06
if I just show it when I'm doing enough times then it should be able to do it for me from my thing but they kind of
00:55:11
went into this thing about AI safety at the event and they were like we realized we don't want people making malicious
00:55:19
scripts with this that they can train so we're going to like red team this until
00:55:24
later this year when we know it's safe to release the problem though is if you do that then you have four apps that you
00:55:31
can use in a chat GPT box yeah the problem with that is you said all this stuff was going to happen got 100,000 pre-orders and and then said it's not they're coming soon yeah this is the
00:55:44
fundamental like buying a device based on future promises thing where ai ai in general has all this gigantic future promise and we're we're coming out with a device that's based on it super early
00:55:56
and it delivers almost none of that promise and you could make a real emotional argument that this is worth
00:56:03
buying based on the possible future of what it could be to you but it makes it impossible to review right now because it just doesn't do that stuff yeah and the I do think the price is significant
00:56:14
though 200 I'm way more interested in spending $200 on something that could be something cool and maybe I could toy
00:56:20
around with cuz it's $200 $300 to give it a shot yeah I do think it you I guess you don't need this cell cellular data no you can just use Wi-Fi if you want okay so you don't need to pay for a data
00:56:31
card that will cost money per month eventually which feels like a little whatever um yeah I I kind of like it I
00:56:40
love the color it feels like it could be fun $200 isn't the worst if you're down
00:56:45
to like throw some money at something I think this has my ultimate thought on it
00:56:50
though is just like at when I think of the AI pin the Humane pin and this is that that like the AI pin at least makes sense to not be your phone this makes
00:57:01
zero sense to not just be an app on your phone because the AI pin's on your body and your phone can be in your backpck
00:57:08
you have to interact with this ex almost exactly like how you would interact with a phone it has nothing extra in fact
00:57:14
everything is worse than your phone the screen the camera the the processor every single part of this is worse than your phone and you still need to pull it out of your pocket to use it so you're
00:57:25
using it exactly you got to charge it so every time you have to use it you have to go you have to make that decision like am I going to pull my phone out to
00:57:31
do this or am I going to pull this other thing out my other pocket to use this so the friction level to get to your phone is the same as getting to this so I'm
00:57:37
going to pick my phone most of the time cuz my phone's really good at pictures and videos and looking stuff and the the
00:57:42
pin at least their marketing thing was like you don't need to keep reaching for your phone it's on your body already we
00:57:48
already talked about all the shortcomings of that but I just fair I think that's a fair assessment between
00:57:54
the two of them yeah here's some interesting things that it does treat it like a human but like a super human if
00:58:01
you point it at a large paragraph of text or an article and say summarize this for me it will read the entire
00:58:09
thing and summarize it for you in like three seconds yeah that's pretty cool yeah it is a lot faster than the human
00:58:16
Noti faster and I noticed that um it'll have the rabbit be like sure let me take a look at that for you just a burn time
00:58:24
it's burning time that sounds so simp simple but the Humane pin doesn't do that the Humane pin Waits occasionally
00:58:30
no no it does it but after a wait it's I feel like it always does like pause pause pause pause looking up how old the
00:58:37
Williamsburg Bridge is or looking up Bridge the Williamsburg brid Bridge is like it just is later like do it first
00:58:43
so I know you're time Stoppers like that to make it feel like you're having a real conversation makes it feel like the
00:58:49
weight time is less than it is or to even just make sure that it heard you the Humane pin there were times where I
00:58:54
saw Marcus be like true ask it like how old is David ML and then go to ask it again and it
00:59:01
would be like looking David ML and it's like well now I pressed it again and activated it and I don't know if it hurt me the first when we were recording the
00:59:07
review I remember you would ask it a question we'd wait like 5 seconds and then you'd be like I guess it didn't hurt me try to start to continue your
00:59:13
script and then you'd be talking and be like yeah I just start talking yeah that that's a subtle thing but that's really
00:59:18
smart to immediately engage burn a little time and confirm that it actually heard you yeah which is smart yeah um it
00:59:26
does have a little speaker on it it does have a small virtual keyboard This is a touchcreen yeah so you can input your
00:59:32
Wi-Fi password a hilarious bug is there there there is no percent button on the keyboard yeah so if you get this before the OTA update and you have a percent in
00:59:44
your Wi-Fi password you can't use it because it can't connect to Wi-Fi to get the OTA update so that was kind of weird but
00:59:55
hopefully get the update somehow can you even have a percent in your Wi-Fi password yeah lots of people oh okay
01:00:00
yeah unfortunately so those people those people shouldn't get the original rabbit I'm sure there's another way to
01:00:06
connect you can to to go into your settings you shake it like I feel like this has like a lot of teenage
01:00:13
engineering blood in it hidden UI which is to say like make it like weirdly quirky and slightly annoying in favor of being quirky you know um the problem is
01:00:25
like you know I got settings but when I when I go back home it just goes back to
01:00:30
the Spotify app and I don't you can't get out of the I don't really know it is not as intuitive it's not as intuitive
01:00:36
it is that's how I'm looking at it the ah sorry from how many times David cop music professional Tech reviewer how do I pause it like that's that's where we're at uh also the scroll wheel in my
01:00:50
opinion oh my goodness David it's copyrighted I'm talking so you can't hear it I'm saving
01:00:56
uh okay the the scroll wheel shake it harder okay the srel wheel acceleration I think needs to be a little bit tweaked you got to turn it
01:01:10
you got to turn it a lot to do a couple of things if this had like steps on it like I could tell like some feed better
01:01:16
feedback in the wheel it would be so much better yeah the haptic feedback is actually not bad it's not turned on
01:01:24
there's haptics um yeah right mine this does not have I thought there oh when you're using the keyboard it does have haptics there's a haptic motor in there it just doesn't work for most stuff I don't know how to get back out of
01:01:35
Spotify which is unfortunate does it have like a home screen to go back to even it has settings you just hit the
01:01:41
but go home ordering an Uber for okay yeah it did do that it went home okay purchasing a home purchasing oh yeah it does have okay connects to red fin and just oh
01:01:55
yeah okay house so here's the keyboard uh it's very cute very terminally which is very
01:02:01
nice you can type on that yeah it's actually it's actually not bad it's wider than your iPhone Mini keyboard bro
01:02:06
no actually it is hold up yeah at least Jesse said that on I remember so he was talking about it and how you type here
01:02:13
and how you can so you can type with the keyboard and you can scroll through with
01:02:18
the wheel which is cool but enter is always the button and when he was holding it and I was watching the video
01:02:23
I assume the button was top right it is underneath which feels if I'm using both
01:02:28
my thumbs to type that is a weird spot to enter every time yeah okay so we can compare so like the iPhone keyboard is a
01:02:34
lot taller which helps um it's about the same width yeah I didn't find it that hard to type on to be honest why is the keyboard
01:02:47
touchcreen but it seems like the rest of the devices that's what I also don't understand that they force I they force
01:02:52
you to this feels like Teenage engineering it's the same thing Adam did he put the video out yet the like
01:02:59
why people okay anyway Channel yeah this feels like Teenage engineering teen engineering always like adds these weird things that
01:03:10
they could add easily but they intentionally don't so that you have to use a workaround that is quirkier
01:03:17
theoretically but kind of annoying my theory is that they like voice better and they probably want to focus on voice
01:03:24
things that's why they don't want you to use the touch screen as much oh wow yeah but the thing is like if I'm in the
01:03:29
settings menu oh wait right you have to shake it okay if I'm in the settings menu why
01:03:35
can't I just tap this when this is a touch screen that part is really you have to use the wheel yeah um and the
01:03:40
button and the button yeah okay so bro you're chewing through battery I holy cow yeah so this we maxed our brightness though I think you should be able to yeah I agree I started my day actually I
01:03:54
started the podcast sitting down with 96% battery okay Ellis how long have we been sitting here recording that's a great question Mark as we have been sitting here recording for 1 hour and 18 minutes now so in that
01:04:08
78 minute span I have burned all the way down to 71% battery okay I've done a few
01:04:14
queries yeah but that's about 20% battery in 70 minutes yeah that's a lot do the math it's probably gonna have to be charging soon four and a half hours uh yeah
01:04:26
yeah the interesting thing is I feel like the approach they're going with is like could not be more different from
01:04:33
Humane where Humane was like get rid of well they didn't say get rid of well they kind of said get rid of I don't know they said it and they were like we need to change the way we interact with technology we need to have
01:04:45
a more Humane approach to technology they had their turtlenecks on and did their whole and this one's literally like no humans animals rabbits yeah well
01:04:54
and also Jesse like go he like keeps recording himself like doing things and then it messes up and he's like just so
01:05:01
you know guys this is a beta like I don't know so to me it feels like they're they're letting the people who
01:05:07
are like hyped about a new product category like beta test this for them and they want true strategy they want to
01:05:12
set the expectations so low that even if it doesn't really work nobody can get mad at them which kind of like I
01:05:20
generally prefer the under promise approach cuz even if you don't deliver you never promised anything is it under
01:05:27
promising though if in the original keynote you say you can train it to do things and it has 800 and then it can't
01:05:33
do either of I strongly agree with that that's a problem I I mean like I think the under promised part is that it's
01:05:38
it's way cheaper and I'm way more okay beta testing something and learning how to do something for 200 bucks than $800
01:05:45
yeah I still I don't know I don't know why I kind of want this even though i' I have not said a single nice thing about it because it's a teenage engineering product camera bad battery bad
01:05:56
functionality bad orange orange chef's kiss okay hear me out hear me out what if it's it is actually an amazing product and it's just the wrong
01:06:08
demographic what are you talking about what demographic think about it about it people it's bright orange it has a tiny
01:06:17
keyboard and it can answer really simple questions babies guys this is for kids picture your little I'm getting I don't need to teach you anything just go out in the world the kids's like what color is that what what shape is
01:06:31
that we don't even need school anymore you don't need school you have the rabbit R1 it is kind of like a legit
01:06:36
Pokedex because you can just point it at things and ask what it is and ask what like it's that's what a pokeddex does would you be would you be the coolest
01:06:42
six-year-old or the lamest six-year-old if you brought this to preschool and you were like check this out what lunch is
01:06:48
this and said like this is chips aoy but even like even like how do I spell that mhm or like walking up to a building and be like what's inside there yeah how how do
01:06:59
I do math like yeah exactly you know like maybe this helps children navigate the
01:07:07
world in a way that parents who are too busy actually a great Point Jesse I'm not available for hire he was so close to getting the right Target demographic but instead he got but how do you Market
01:07:18
this I guess kind of are I don't know sorry sorry continue I was just going to say like I keep like thinking about this
01:07:25
and how always like just ask at this and then I think like if this had a touch screen I would like to do some things quietly well you can you can type with the you can just in the terminal you can
01:07:35
ask I thought it was just like I asked that the weather it told me the weather fit night it was it was great oh okay so I can do that you can but I have to go
01:07:42
into the no you just turn it side shake it and then turn terminal on again oh do you turn it off why is it called
01:07:47
terminal that makes it sound like it's okay cool that's my fault that's my fault I'm just wrong and then I can turn
01:07:53
it this way and say yeah um who hosts sick I don't know what I did while I think I hit the scroll wheel and went back it's perfect timing I'm trying as
01:08:08
hard is not as easy as the iPhone keyboard I will in this time I could have pulled my phone out my pocket and just typed you're just not thinking yeah
01:08:16
this is hard why okay this is harder than I thought this is his keyboard's bad I think I could get it's got
01:08:22
something nice to it actually it's bad yeah it's a bad keyboard I mean yeah it's searching the W podcast is hosted
01:08:28
by Marcus brenley Andrew magelli and David now I'm going to ask one more question I asked the Humane the Humane ping got that right uhuh I'm going to
01:08:34
ask it the question it got wrong and then I said which was who produces that podcast does it I'm in terminal is it
01:08:48
gonna understands the cont you should be able to chain questions okay I just said I typed much much better that time nice it got this one wrong the same way the waveform
01:09:00
podcast is produced by Marquez Brown Lee Studio 71 oh old answers yeah not true it's old it's produced by Alice Roven and Adam Molina yeah well are you sure
01:09:14
so it kind of feels like to me that something that I kind of like took in from the event was they showed like all
01:09:22
of these partners that they started bringing in and just for context Jesse is like a Serial startup founder and he was in Y combinator which is the biggest startup incubator in the world in the
01:09:32
Bay Area and uh Humane kind of took this approach the way I see it Humane is trying to be apple and rabbit is trying to be Android they're like we need we want Partners to work with us but we're
01:09:47
that's a great analogy sorry I like that a lot checks out in a lot of ways we're going to like enable a terminal we're
01:09:52
going to work on the all these get unlock USBC for you ex yeah they said they were going to like allow the port
01:09:58
to do whatever they're just going to like do whatever you want with this and it's kind of like a low-end thing but
01:10:03
like figure out how to hack it and make it interesting whereas Humane is like we have our OS that's a closed ecosystem
01:10:09
that only works with like our Humane stuff and it doesn't do anything else they are doing well future doing
01:10:17
something opening apks or something like that with Humane pin for other people to do stuff but like the OS or something
01:10:24
right I think so but I guess the OS is what's running the pin no I don't know this wait did you see
01:10:30
what it said yeah I said uh I said are you sure that's who hosts it it said yes and I said no it's not and it said sorry or I apologize and
01:10:43
then I said fix it and it said the waveform podcast is produced by Studio 71 and just said the same thing again oh
01:10:50
yeah so it was interesting because like at during the keynot Jesse's like you guys asked for for perplexity we added
01:10:56
perplexity you guys asked for this we added this mhm so to me they're like this device is all about Partnerships and like hacking your way into it working and it just feels like a very
01:11:09
different approach than Humane was taking yeah I still think that this is more of a tech demo than it is like a
01:11:16
product that is going to change the way you interact with technology right now it's sort of just showing you what you
01:11:21
could theoretically maybe do in the future if it was better um I think it's it's like a beta device
01:11:28
it feels like yeah people that want to just have a fun little thing to mess around with and play with AI Hardware
01:11:35
that's what this is for it is a really cool way to show off a really sweet technology that is large action models
01:11:42
and like whether this is super yeah one training exactly there's a ton of training to do whether this is like
01:11:49
going to be the coolest product ever probably not but large action models are awesome and this is going to be fun way
01:11:55
to do that I'm weirdly excited for it because like what you said I think people are going to do some crazy it like weird stuff and I'm excited to see what they do and some of that might be
01:12:07
kind of cool and at a way cheaper price point that's pretty neat yeah and by excited I mean I still will not buy one of these but I still I can't wait till Adam buys this and thinks have something
01:12:19
really cool to do with it the CEO and founder of teenage engineering is now the chief product officer of as well I
01:12:25
think Jesse on the teenage engineering he's still on the board they're basically like this I do they just high
01:12:32
fived on stage basically yeah I appreciate that Jesse goes into the Discord and shows off a lot of stuff to
01:12:38
the people in there Humane also has people in and out of their Discord but Jesse feels like he is really reacting
01:12:43
to a lot of things he made that video and you know he's making that video what Humane has a Discord to yeah they do
01:12:49
have a disc Bethany and Imron go in it but yeah Jesse like feels like he's interacting way more and like showing
01:12:55
off things on it um which I think is really neat and I have two two closing thoughts okay I mean these are obviously super early Impressions we just got the device and I'm working on the review but my two closing thoughts from this one is
01:13:09
when you zoom all the way out and like I always try to think like how I I would explain this to like a teammate or a regular person who's not into Tech and
01:13:15
it's up it's up against the exact same questions as a Humane pin wait so it does what my phone does but on another device like that's still it's up against
01:13:26
that obviously but my other thought which I've been like composing into maybe a video in my head which is
01:13:32
interesting is technology has allowed so many of these new categories of products
01:13:39
to come out long before they are actually reaching their potential as what they're supposed to be as a product 100% from games getting like sloppily
01:13:50
released but then software can fix them thank you alpha games sorry I'm interrupting you but that's I've been
01:13:55
like semi comparing this to it's just like every game is an alpha release which basically is like you can pay a
01:14:01
little bit less than 60 bucks but you have to tell me that you're okay with this game having a ton of problems and
01:14:07
we'll fix it when we feel like it so that happens all the time we've talked about earlier today cars coming out with
01:14:13
software features that are basically Alpha and that may get better and live up to the promise over time later to
01:14:20
obviously smartphones this happens all the time Apple announced a new iPhone and deep fusions coming lat this year
01:14:25
and just trust me on this one all the way to these things which are like at the furthest end of the tale where they
01:14:31
come out and they're almost useless but the idea of what they could be in three years is this gigantic
01:14:39
beautiful assistant in your pocket thing so invest in it now it's just technology
01:14:45
has just created this thing that I have feelings about feels like everything is a Kickstarter now it's like you need to
01:14:51
give us money so that we can achieve the dream that you want mhm you got to give us the money to do it
01:14:57
now yeah Do You Believe in Us unfortunately so sharks it feels like most of the products don't deliver though on like their dream which is just super disappointing which is why I give my
01:15:10
endless League Evergreen advice of to buy a product for what it is now yeah buy the game for what it is now buy the
01:15:16
car for what it is now buy the phone for what it is now buy the R1 for what it is right now also IO and WWDC are next
01:15:25
month and the month after so it's going to be very interesting to see how those companies react to this I cannot wait to
01:15:32
see the Google assistant and Siri Updates this year it's going to be spicy it's going to be fascinating yeah this is my prediction for the rabbit R1
01:15:40
specifically this product just this product this is the new Spotify car things yeah so sad I tell me I'm wrong it's it's kind of cool and then nobody
01:15:53
really liked it and then you got it for really cheap later and then everyone found kind of cool things to do with it on everyone hacked it and did their own
01:15:59
thing with it car things 2.0 you can take the dive for 200 bucks but this is a good place
01:16:04
to end it I think a good thing to keep in mind is this is literally just our very first day of Impressions and we're working on a whole bunch more research
01:16:11
and eventually a full review so stay tuned for that but we got much more to talk about after the break we got uh
01:16:17
emulators we got Tik Tok or the lack of it but before that we should take a break with trivia [Music]
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all right so the calculator app calculators we're back the calculator app on the original iPhone was actually based on a classic calculator from
01:16:41
1977 there are two points up for grabs in this question one point if you can name the legendary German housewares company that made this calculator they're still in business today they're
01:16:53
mostly known for and razors nowadays another point if you can name the designer who made this calculator who
01:17:01
shares a first name with a famous tech journalist famous there's not that many F okay can we just put their first names I will accept just the first name okay cool that gives me a chance for one
01:17:14
point okay famous tchr you know I know give German housewares company sounds like uh but I promise you are all aware of this company yeah and you said they
01:17:26
make clocks and razors they've made everything under the sun they've been around for 60 70 years now however
01:17:34
nowadays they are most known for clocks and razors they might they might only make razors now actually um clocks and that's such a random I can't think of a
01:17:48
single company that makes clocks and razors we'll figure it out once I answer the question for you guys then you'll
01:17:54
know you don't know who made Razor scooters I will I will let you ask the rabbit if you are willing to just put down I'm going whatever it says this is my one opportunity I might try it all
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coda.io all right welcome back we got to talk about emulators on the iPhone not dolphin emulators as I have previously talked about Fair um which are very good emulators but uh emulators are
01:19:33
officially on the iPhone now which is new which is new from what I heard uh this was the thing that you had to get
01:19:38
an Android phone to do yes but now the Apple policies are allowing emulators which is exciting I think if you're like an OG old person like us back who whoa
01:19:49
whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa speak for yourself I do not consider myself uh old yet you know we're both 30 David's not
01:19:57
so we are on the older side of this the cut off for old will always be right above me fair I think that's totally fair thank you moving goalpost yep yeah
01:20:09
anyway if you're an old person like us uh you might remember this thing called Cydia which was a way to jailbreak your
01:20:17
iPhone way back in the good old days damn I am old wow exactly I don't know what that is am I the young one now you
01:20:24
remember jailbreaking the iPhone you remember jailbreaking the iPhone I never had an iPhone do you remember do you ever jailbreaking iPod Touch I never had
01:20:30
an iPod that was what that was what I used to for anyway back in the day if you wanted
01:20:36
to play emulators on an Apple device a portable Apple device you had to use this thing called Cydia which would
01:20:42
basically jailbreak it and then you could install emulators on your iPod Touch or your iPhone that kind of stuff
01:20:48
Apple has traditionally not allowed emulators for a very similar reason to the reasons they don't they haven't
01:20:54
allowed like games inside of super apps because they can't control all of the micro software that's in the macro
01:21:01
software and they control freaks um but now that the digital markets act in the European Union got passed and in the EU Apple has to allow thirdparty app stores
01:21:13
Apple realized well if we have to allow third party app stores and probably one of the main reasons that people download those third party app stores is to do the thing that they can't do on the regular app store which is emulator
01:21:25
being a big part of it they just realized like if we don't want people to go to the third party app stores we
01:21:30
should just allow emulators on our app store fair so that's what they did um they finally decided to allow emulators
01:21:36
on the App Store so now there are a couple up there uh the biggest one is called Delta which is a Nintendo
01:21:43
emulator that can do anything from the NES through the N64 for the home consoles and The Game Boy through the
01:21:49
Nintendo DS for the portable consoles it's not a new emulator it's something that's been in development for like 10
01:21:55
years because they were basically just sort of like waiting for the day when they could like push this out and it's
01:22:01
always been in test flight so you could like get it via test flight yeah so it was always unofficial not on the app
01:22:08
store and then as soon as Apple relax these policies they just hit publish and all of a sudden they have this very
01:22:13
full-featured very built out emulator didn't it shoot up to like number one on the number one on the app store for like
01:22:19
a week um you can easily AirPlay games to your TV you can use it with Bluetooth controllers so it's like a pretty it's a pretty serious app yeah that's funny
01:22:31
yeah so it's uh it's quite cool I think that there's just there's a lot of weird
01:22:36
gray zones around emulators in general because technically there is precedent for the ability to run an emulator of
01:22:43
something to understand how it works but then obviously Distributing game files yeah is illegal all the games you're playing you're not paying for exactly yeah so when you distribute emulator you
01:22:55
just say like we're just giving you the platform it's not up to us how you get the thing that you do cuz theoretically
01:23:01
you could do a ROM dump which is called a it's read only memory but you can basically dump the game from your
01:23:08
physical cartridge if you wanted to and then play that and that is technically legal that's like the way that people
01:23:14
get around this is that if you bought the copy of the game you should be able to play the read all me memory version
01:23:20
of the game on a different device uh so that's how people get around this anyway it's kind of cool cuz
01:23:28
there's there have been all these reasons why you would buy an Android phone specifically because you could do
01:23:33
things on it that you couldn't do on an iPhone and now this is just another took one off thing you can do on the iPhone
01:23:38
as well yeah yeah is uh old is old game consoles the only thing that people want
01:23:44
to emulate seems like that's the only thing talk about most yeah yeah pretty much is there an Android one that you
01:23:50
would suggest um is this also I'm assuming this isn't also on Android I don't think Delta's on Android but there was one called something for
01:24:00
GBA that I used to use what was it oh I can't remember what it's called I don't actually play that many games so yeah yeah I'm asking it like I would want to do something but I probably wouldn't do
01:24:13
much maybe on like a plane ride it would I'm just seeing golden eye on an iPhone and I'm like oh that sounds so sick yeah
01:24:19
that's trueir there's one device that I can say for certain is commonly emulated
01:24:26
in the United States without uh needing to play any games and that is the OG Palm Pilot OS and that is because uh the first digital movie projectors uh all
01:24:41
the timing calculations was done on a Palm Pilot and when it became impossible to get Palm Pilots it was easier to just emulate they did it on a on a PDA
01:24:53
Oppenheimer the 7 M IMAX cuz all the iMac software still only runs on Palos so if you go into an iMac 70 mil projection room you will see a computer running a Palm Pilot emulation what that
01:25:05
is Cali why did they do that via a PDA cuz I think it was really simple software and it was a cheap thing you
01:25:11
could just mount on the wall and teach people how to use and I thought be they'd be around forever that's crazy
01:25:16
that's the most film industry thing to do ever Ain it like make everything a bazillion dollars and then use like a
01:25:23
Palm Pilot to like figure out when to swap the reels and be like we can't remove this step in the chain it's stuck
01:25:30
yeah we'll be doing that in a hundred years and they'll be like yeah it was only available on the rabbit R1 now we
01:25:35
have to emulate it on a computer yeah which is funny because the rabbit is actually emulating things it's a virtual
01:25:41
machine so just rabbits all the way down we well I'm sure this image will show up in b-roll when I give it to Adam but um
01:25:48
I just sent you guys a picture of a 70 mm film reel next to the Palm pile emulator and it is just awesome so amazing do I not on an iPad yeah they're
01:26:01
emulating the PM pilot on an old iPad on the wall wow it's just a very poorly cut
01:26:07
out PM pilot it's so funny that's amazing we love to see it also shout out to IMAX because they are finally making a new IMAX camera for the first time
01:26:17
since like the70s yeah because they've been licensing the IMAX sensors and stuff to re and folks there's even I
01:26:25
think we we don't have the IMAX but you can get an IMAX CT vraptor yeah I think I believe there are only nine IMAX film
01:26:31
cameras and they were all made in the 1970s yeah and uh they're now finally making a brand new one that is like
01:26:39
completely made of like carbon fiber composite and it's got a bunch of like touchscreen stuff on it even though it
01:26:44
shoots film to like show you what you're shooting digitally but it is like putting it on film it's it's epic closed ecosystems you know are a mixed bag can
01:26:54
really result in some funky bad times but I love IMX I love I love the IMAX speakers are like the coolest looking speakers anyone has ever made I think the IMAX like uh seat height specs are
01:27:09
like perfect for watching movies yeah sorry we're we're a little bit down the rabbit hole and not not that rabbit hole
01:27:16
So speaking of well we already did that part speaking of videos uh new development as of this week Tik tock
01:27:25
banned not exactly so the headline jail the headline is that the bill was signed for bite dance to have to divest and not own
01:27:36
all of Tik Tok and so I guess that Mees it's going to be up for sale as of January 2025 we don't really know all the details yet but it seems like something we should keep an eye on yeah
01:27:48
yeah that's kind of it basically so far yeah there's a they have a year to like sell the US swing to another us company
01:27:56
otherwise they are banned yeah um and it went through Congress the house and Biden so got signed yeah got signed so we'll see what happens I guess now we got to wait a ear I have one last
01:28:07
headline I want to go through with you guys okay this is fascinating to me I just want you to
01:28:14
know in the document it says electric G wagu that's what I wrote okay did I stutter did I stutter the new G wagu the the electric G wagon uh was announced
01:28:26
and it goes on stale uh late 2024 goes on stale and I just I just want you guys to listen to the specs because you know
01:28:33
what a G wagon is Right you've seen the square Mercedes Jeep you know it's iconic it's a bit of a fashion icon it's
01:28:40
status symbol yeah they're making an electric one finally and I've I've been on my high
01:28:45
horse about Vehicles actually should go electric this is the spec sheet of the electric G wagon it will start at
01:28:52
$180,000 it has quad Motors and 116 kwh battery it will do 0 to 60 in 4.7 seconds it will have a max range of 250
01:29:07
Mi EPA rated and it only charges at 200 KW I read that spec sheet and I immediately thought I think this might be the most inefficient EV I've ever seen on paper only short of the Hummer
01:29:22
EV the Hummer EV is just huh we put 220 kwatt hours of battery in there so it should be fine and it eventually pans out and goes like almost 300 miles whatever but it also do 0 to 60 in like
01:29:34
3 seconds flat cuz it's like a ridiculous amount of power it's like th000 horsepower they managed to do quad
01:29:41
Motors in this thing but only 0 to 60 in 4.7 seconds that seems really slow seems It's not slow but it's like it's quad Motors
01:29:52
that's well comparatively we regularly see dual motor vehicles doing 2.9s and 3.5s and I don't know quad motor it does
01:30:00
off whe off-roading is that is it are they less powerful Motors but with better individual control to each wheel
01:30:07
for stuff like that or so yeah they're definitely less powerful Motors they will definitely also have individual
01:30:13
control of each wheel like every other quad motor vehicle but not any better or worse like the quad motor r1t rivan's
01:30:19
r1t quad motor for all the same reasons individual control of each wheel better off-roading capabilities individualized
01:30:26
traction control torque vectoring all that stuff is still true it's just these are just super inefficient weak M for
01:30:33
some reason and also only 250 M of range so it's not like these are super powerful but don't go very far they're
01:30:39
are both not powerful and not efficient but it has the thing that everyone buying a G wagon wants shiny logo is that it's a G wagon it just looks like a
01:30:52
G wagon it makes noises that sound kind of like a gas G wagon I have a question mhm why is there a Humane AI pin on the
01:30:58
back of it a giant AI pin that's kind of funny the tire cover just looks like a blue a blue AI pin would look pretty swi yeah that's a nice color storage in there it
01:31:08
is a nice is that storage or the tire tire it's not even no it's electronic uh go to 2 minutes 45 seconds
01:31:16
it's a it's your charger also 8 Minute Twitter video huge L it says delivery late this year later this year yeah
01:31:23
that's kind of crazy yeah you too could have a $180,000 250 M range EV if you really
01:31:29
wanted to do you know how many rabbits I could buy with that so many rabbit um I could do I could ask the rabbit there
01:31:35
are some genuinely interesting like really good off-roading features which is hilarious because nobody who buys a G wagon actually off-roads it but hey it's
01:31:42
electric so it has that capability now cool um but hey there you go it's 180 180 Grand for this nice cool all right cool cool cool cool where's my $1
01:31:54
refundable uh reservation I bet you can I bet that's a thing anyway I think that's about it for this week we talked about a lot of stuff we talked about the rabbit we have a bunch more to talk about with this and of course recalls
01:32:07
iPads and software updates but we have one more thing to talk about trivia no your app didn't
01:32:21
pause unless you have the skip silence thing somebody definitely has the skip Silence has no idea what's going on no I
01:32:29
was gonna say you just said it like the Humane and rabbit say things exactly out loud firing up the rabbit all right I'm
01:32:36
at half battery by the way half half I'm at I think the rabbit has to hear Ellis
01:32:41
though if you want to use it I think I'm going to treat it like my personal assistant I'm going to rephrase the
01:32:46
question but what if I want to get the answer right you have to write down the entire question that the entire answer
01:32:52
it says I can't there's no way I can do that it's G to give me a long answer I know
01:32:58
it I kind the more we've been using it I kind of think it's semi- repeating the question to give itself more time I wouldn't be shocked yeah sorry Alice I know it has perplexity AI access but I
01:33:11
don't know it's like a it's like open it's like chat GPT or openi it's like a more
01:33:17
information it's more accuracy focused than like open AI is my laptop is on its dying breath of battery all right
01:33:25
okay we get the hint you don't need your laptop for trivia I just want to say you know the dictionary definition of
01:33:32
perplexity is one's inability to understand complicated ideas sounds like so why would they name it that then I don't really understand unless maybe I'm wrong about that but I'm pretty sure if
01:33:44
you look in the dictionary for perplexity it is the yeah actually is the quality of being perplexed inability
01:33:50
to deal with or understand something complicated o kind of sounds like a lot of large langage we
01:33:57
Choice uh but question number one yeah calculator for the iPad it's coming supposedly another app that we had to wait forever for on the iPad was the
01:34:10
weather app so I want you to tell me how late in the iPad's lifespan in years did the weather app come out
01:34:24
when did the first iPad come out and when did the weather app for iPad come out this feels a little bit like
01:34:30
cheating well it's going to be in the mic yeah I feel like the first iPad was released in 2010 but it did not have an official weather app from Apple until the release of ipados 16 on October 24th
01:34:45
2022 the weather app was made available on more devices across the Apple ecosystem IP 16 and Macos before the release of it's cut off too
01:34:57
late well now I definitely got it wrong okay yeah I was I said 11 I said 10 cuz I thought it was 2021 that it came out also realizing knew it was did the math completely wrong I did
01:35:10
12 yeah well oh that was wrong also no no 12 is correct oh sorry I got a little trigger happy with the wrong button okay I knew it came out in 2010 but I thought that
01:35:21
the weather app came out in 2021 but I guess it was 2022 I thought it came out in 2023 and I just did my math
01:35:26
completely oh actually I was right on the 2010 and then I was just like oh it probably came out last year we said it
01:35:32
was recent and I just mathed wrong I mathed Wrong too because I was like oh that came out two years ago and I
01:35:37
thought it was 2023 this year so I thought it was 2021 that it came out oh wow so I got it right but I got it wrong
01:35:44
yeah okay how do we feel I feel like the rabbit thing didn't you just asked it the questions
01:35:52
you didn't didn't yeah I don't know about a point I'm going to give you the point Marquez but in the future if we're
01:35:58
if we're Consulting AI assistant think you have to ask the hard question yeah asked it what I asked you and it needs
01:36:05
to answer what you put down on the thing not the here's two answers that you get to do the so you prefer if I don't have
01:36:12
to do any deduction you want me to get only the answer to the trivia question I think rabbit would prefer that let me try rabbit would claim that it would let me just try that real quick
01:36:23
how many years was it between the release of the original iPad and the iPad's first weather app I think even
01:36:30
that is an easier version of that but that's what Alice has it was a longer I'm just saying it should tell me a number in years yeah yeah yeah unless it just doesn't answer for
01:36:42
some reason once in a while it just doesn't yeah even look to try I'm gonna try again how many years was it between the
01:36:49
release of the first iPad and the iPad's first weather app looking it up now there you
01:36:56
go the first iPad was released on April 3rd 2010 the first version of ipados ipados 13 was released on September 24th 2019 therefore it was a proximately 9
01:37:10
years and 5 months between the release of the first iPad and the release of ipados 13 the question asks about the
01:37:17
release of ipados 16 but the search results do not provide enough information to determine how many years
01:37:23
it has been since the release of the first iPad however we can determine that it has been more than 9 years and 5
01:37:30
months since the release of the first iPad that's true therefore the answer to the question is it has been more than 9
01:37:37
years 5 months since the release of the first iPad do I take your point away I think you should take you should take two points away you should take a point away okay reasoning deductive reasoning
01:37:49
the problem was is that when you asked it the two questions it knew exactly they were so it can figure it out it
01:37:55
just did not figure it out through the yeah yeah take point and I I did set the ru Delta it's whatever
01:38:04
the pin says not what you said did you know the answer to that question anyways um I think I was going to say it came
01:38:09
out in 2023 so but I also thought 2011 for the iPad so I would have said 12 anyway but with the wrong reasoning we
01:38:15
all have the wrong yeah we all have the wrong no I was just wrong I was wrong and I got it right I just thought it was
01:38:20
2023 right now that was my problem a lot of cope coming from the oh I just got it
01:38:26
wrong embarrassing but something you will also have to cope for is another question about calculators specifically
01:38:32
the original iOS calculator from iPhone 1 was based on a classic calculator from
01:38:39
1977 I'm looking for two pieces of information here one the name of the legendary German housewares company that
01:38:47
made this calculator and two the name of the designer of this calculator who shares a name name with a famous tech
01:38:58
[Music] journalist I really hope the name's just like David it's Morez it's John I do want to try I do want to try asking the rabbit this question after
01:39:21
this all right let's turn them around oh wow uh Marquez why don't you go first uh
01:39:28
I thought that it was Texas Instruments which is definitely not what country did you say German German yeah I didn't
01:39:34
think about I was just about to say Marc are for Texas no Texas and then I said Walt cuz I don't think there's that many famous Tech journalists so I thought you were talking about I'm assuming David
01:39:47
got it right so I'll go next I said shik and Walt last David I said Braun Braun is the company cuz they make very cool Clocks by the way and calculators I do not know
01:40:00
that mhm clocks uh and deer Rams deer Rams is the designer I have a journalist is deer Mossberg is the is the journalist who oh yeah wait derer is not a tech journalist is my he not oh he is
01:40:15
not a tech joural oh give me a break give me a a ask grabbit ask grabbit is deer sorry I just no come on is is the issue because he used to be a tech journalist he was but
01:40:26
when you said famous tech journalist I was like wow that really narrows it down cuz there's yeah but if you're a basketball play you're retired you're
01:40:32
still a famous basketball play yeah it's not like you can't say Shaq isn't a famous basketball player to a different job after Shaq is a broadcaster yeah but
01:40:39
he's not a famous Google employee now so okay all right uh well okay so how do I
01:40:45
phrase this question the first one is who designed the first iPad calculator yeah just I would just ask who designed
01:40:51
the calculator that the iPhone calculator was based on got it wake it up who designed the
01:40:59
calculator that the first iPhone's calculator app was based on the screen blacked out and it said initializing and okay it has to be
01:41:10
connected to the Wi-Fi which it only reconnects when you turn the screen back on Amazing yeah who designed the
01:41:16
calculator that the original iPads the who designed the calculator that the original iPhones calculator app was
01:41:30
based on searching now uhuh the original iPhones calculator app was based on the design of the 1977
01:41:42
Braun et44 and et66 calculators nice these calculators were known for their sleek and minimalist design which influenced the look and feel of the iPhone
01:41:53
calculator app the design of the Braun calculators was a tribute to Deer Rams a renowned industrial designer who worked for Braun calculator app was designed to be
01:42:03
a visual and functional homage to these iconic calculators you you said who designed it I said who designed right
01:42:11
okay yeah so the name the calculators and the designer that's like a pretty good answer to a pretty complex question
01:42:17
yeah no I was impressed perplexity but but this is not the end of Trivia today guys because YouTube commenters have been relentlessly asking for us to do this so
01:42:30
without further Ado I'm going to welcome a very special trivia guest her name is Maria and she just walked [Laughter]
01:42:45
away nice I'm back okay so today I don't have a crawfish question for you but since you were already talking about the new YouTube layout we do have a YouTube question for you if you're prepared so I
01:42:59
like these YouTube's original 2005 video player page had four tabs at the top of
01:43:06
the screen home watch videos upload videos in what mhm it's concerning me that no one's writing I sorry I forgot we had to do
01:43:21
that I wasn't aive we should ask the rabbit afterwards watch videos it was home watch videos upload videos and what I feel like I'm kind of being a
01:43:37
smartass in this one but I'm definitely wrong I'm leaving it all right what y all say all right David said
01:43:44
account Andrew said sign out why would they want you to leave like the L I don't know don't allow them to leave lock them in you signed in you can't say
01:43:57
I can't see favorites favorites yeah and you all wrong is it Community something
01:44:04
they wait wait can we ask the rabbit Pig I I got to try that okay four there were four tabs remember
01:44:11
how last week I was like I don't do trick questions I keep it straight this was a little bit of a trick question
01:44:18
didn't you do a trick question last week no I need everyone to be quiet so I can talk to my assistant sorry sorry sorry
01:44:25
what were the four original tabs across the top of youtube.com in 2005 searching now the original tabs across the top of
01:44:37
youtube.com in 2005 were one home two browse three videos four oh account I like how we were all account these
01:44:55
tabs provided users with easy access to their homepage video browsing options video library and account management
01:45:02
settings account so rabbit was wrong but it was sort of like 25% wrong the trick of this your question was the
01:45:12
keyword being original YouTube launched in February of 2005 with those four tabs in Fall of 2005 towards the end of the year they changed the update to
01:45:24
something much closer resembling what Marquez described this is also when they changed the slogan from upload tag and
01:45:33
share your videos worldwide to Broadcast Yourself wasn't YouTube also originally a dating service yes that's why I
01:45:43
launched on Valentine's Day yeah because you're supposed to upload videos about why you should date me video profile I
01:45:50
wait so what's the tab in my I was reading a lot about early YouTube and I did not find a single source and I also
01:45:56
have first month screenshots of YouTube that don't say that anywhere so that might be a little bit of an urban
01:46:02
legendy type beat what was the I've heard that many times from goog oh oh oh that yeah right totally yeah was it was what's the answer I don't know no it's invite
01:46:15
friends how's that a trick question uh because when you look at a lot of original YouTube stuff a lot of people
01:46:22
refer to the fall 2005 redesign as the original player because it stuck well in 2006 but I wanted the original 2005 fake fans
01:46:35
yeah I'm asking Gemini if YouTube is a dating site if it was a dating site please let me know I will ask YouTube was launched on Valentine's Day 2005 the website was
01:46:46
originally intended to be an online dating site with users uploading videos about themselves and what they were looking for in a partner the slogan was
01:46:53
tune in hookup on April 23rd 2005 Buzz the first video was a clip of him so that means there were no uploads between
01:47:04
February and April thought the first upload was me at the zoo it was in April 4 minutes four months after the site
01:47:10
came out I definitely so nobody uploaded any dating videos for four months and then they
01:47:16
pivoted that was loud I don't think you could hear that wait so was me at the zoo supposed to be like check out how
01:47:22
hot I am at the zoo I think that was supposed to be an examp because that was by one of the founders but that was
01:47:27
supposed to be an example of here is like a video of yourself like on Tinder you can have like pictures of yourself I
01:47:33
think this is supposed to be like hi my name is and here I am doing something interesting that's exactly what I saying
01:47:38
so I just want to say that uh Gemini also got it wrong but in a different way it says videos channels subscriptions Community it does say what tabs likely
01:47:52
were oh likely that's exactly what I asked J I asked you for an answer and I wanted you to tell me what it might be probably yeah how old am I you're
01:48:03
probably around I don't know 27 29 anywhere from 15 to 64 well these are pretty tough questions but we did our best and I think some
01:48:14
points were awarded there's some scoreboard somewhere and the points are there will let Adam be the final
01:48:20
decision on if he actually gives you that point or should I get the point that I answered correctly or not hey
01:48:26
Adam should I get the Nonpoint of not answering deer because he's not a tech journalist up to you maybe the last
01:48:32
question ridiculous basketball player we'll see nevertheless but but before you sign out I should read the score
01:48:38
because Adam always does do that and uh I forgot so uh Marquez you are right in the middle of the pack in the mix with six David you are also right in the
01:48:49
middle of the pack with six Andrew screaming ahead of the competition lights a blaze seven points wait staring into the eclipse I thought I was two
01:49:01
behind Andrew and he didn't get any points this time and you got one point no I got two I got DEA Rams and oh you
01:49:07
did get two thank you David I forgot you about both those questions meaning uh wait the Oh wrong one sorry yeah you
01:49:13
almost had eight I was assuming Marquez didn't get the points or else we would all be is that assuming he did or didn't get the point uh as of right now I have
01:49:21
Marquez not getting the point with s however however uh we're sending the review to New York to make the final
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