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just picture a subway map as a stained glass window okay picture picture Ronald
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McDonald if he made a phone that's yeah actually
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yeah the Fisher Price car yeah but flattened into a $250 truck that's a
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nothing phone 2A yeah sure a great work by p8 Monon but picture Mickey Mouse
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with LEDs all right I think we all know Marquez is in the ha it category for
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there's yo what is going on people of the internet welcome back to another episode of the way for podcast we're
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your hosts I'm Marquez I'm Andrew and I'm David this week actually a surprising amount of a lot of stuff going on a lot of smaller stories
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internet stories videos happenings and we're going to talk about a whole bunch of it cuz have thoughts and they're also
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fun to talk about uh Spotify killing some stuff a new phone color that I think you can only have two possible
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opinions on uh Google AI overviews possibly ruining the internet we'll talk about it coffeezilla reacting to the R1
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this whole investigation going down the rabbit hole also later miles is going to join us we're going to talk about a new car that recently got announced oh it's
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a doozy but first there was a recent bonus episode we just dropped it was
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pretty sick there was you should definitely watch it it was a lot of fun um but in it I made a plea for somebody
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to find me a video that I couldn't find and it was about a Thanksgiving dinner
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that was only peas and somebody found it within like two hours so I have to shout out Chris a for finding it thank you my
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entire family now thinks I am a regular sane person and not completely making this entire thing you were imagining
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that before they definitely didn't think it was real well they just think you weren't lying about this they still
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think you're an okay maybe um there was actually someone someone else in the comment that's like I've also seen this video and I can't find it please help me
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find it but anyways it's there we'll put it in the show notes but the last episode was awesome I think everyone should go listen to it also a quick uh
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update not update correction from last week's episode when we talked about these Microsoft computers which I have
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the Asus V VI book here that's running on the arm chipset very that I've been using for like a week um and I'm not
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allowed to really talk about it but this is what it looks like you can see it anyway uh I had said that both the
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Surface Pro and the surface laptops have OLED and is only the pro but not the
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laptops I just wanted to update that got it okay um and I think I just misread but now you know thank you guys for uh
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pointing out everything and also thank you guys for liking and subscribing we appreciate you for doing that too smooth w Wait I want to ask you guys because I
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haven't actually gotten your official opinions yet yes so this is the nothing phone 2A special edition you know how
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companies will do a colored version of a phone to rejuvenate interest in a new press cycle about their phone they
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already made the classic OnePlus play it's happened before say the nothing phones have traditionally been black or
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white with LEDs on the back what do you think of this one it's really
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colorful I think it kind of looks like a kids toy and if you like that then you
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like that I think it looks like an old R2-D2 toy okay so I think so my theory
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is is you can either love it or hate it and I think you're both in the hate it Camp
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I'm not okay never mind my theory is out well no no no no I'm not saying like I I
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kind of like it I'm just not going to use a nothing phone that's like what's kind of tough about it I like the colors
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like okay If This Were A a design on a keyboard where it's like I'm expecting
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something pretty fun and like blue yellow red some gray and white this looks really good actually a pull it up
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there's a keycap set that I ordered that I'm still waiting on that this reminds me of there are like two things that you
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can do when you decide to buy a phone you can either go I'm going to be boring
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and it's going to be the black or the white option or the manufacturer will offer a really freaking weird color
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that's like Mystic bronze and you're like I'm going to go for that color or Ellis got the purple iPhone 12 mini you
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did uh yes and so I think that if you're in the camp of I want the colorful
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version then like this sticks out a lot and it is really playful but if you're
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in the camp of I just want to be minimal and like chill then you're probably going to get the black one or the white
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one wow those are pretty sick those pair very well together oh yeah it's this
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keycap set called G gal do you have it no it's in the or I ordered it it's um
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how you yeahman it's by a really awesome designer named
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Timothy be German don't crucify me this is I don't know if you guys can see that over there but this is a really sweet
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keycap set and I think it's the colors match like almost exactly on those actually all are letters also trying to
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figure out some top down photos of both of those all together yeah they would and
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this phone it photographs well if you're into the look it looks really interesting and unique I also think my
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other Theory I just like spewing theories on I think I've realized when I get the headphones and the microphone on I'm just like I have a theory podcasts
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are all about theories man another theory uh people want the boring color
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phone but they'll accessorize with a different color case so if they want to go crazy they'll put a bright case on if
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they want to go back to normal they'll put a normal looking case on their phone they don't want a permanently bright colored phone as much as a bright
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colored case what color is my phone oh it's gray you the fact that you didn't even know the fact that you didn't even
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know is perfect that's what they want it's cuz last yeah yeah because it goes with everything or
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nothing if I will say I think I think if I were to run a nothing phone 2A as my
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main daily driver I would probably get the special edition I think that's pretty cool yeah yeah even though I
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don't love love it I like it enough that it's different enough from the regular
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one that I think it's cool it it's funny CU it looks like if Fisher PR price made
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Toy teenage engineering products McDonald phone yeah so nothing phone 2A
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which is a big phone with those two eyes in the center but now the interior elements have like little blocks of
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yellow squares and red circles and red pills um yeah blue it looks like the
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blue yeah around the I actually think this would look better if they fully went in with the color and all of this
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gray was the blue instead yeah like I think if they went all in with the color not just the little tiny accents if
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you're driving don't look this up if you're doing the dishes maybe look this up but yeah just search nothing phone
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special uh 2A special you've probably seen it if you're watching on social media just picture a subway map as a
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stained glass window okay picture picture Ronald
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McDonald if he made a phone that's yeah actually
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yeah the Fisher Price car yeah but flattened into a $250 truck that's a
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nothing phone 2A yeah sure a great work by p8 mundon but picture Mickey
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Mouse with LEDs all right I think we all know Marquez is in the heed category for
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sure there's a lot Mickey Mouse with LEDs isn't that just dead
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mouse damn Fair yeah wait I'm going to I'm going to press the co-pilot button
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and ask co-pilot to generate if Fisher Price made a cell phone made a teenage engineering cell
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phone yeah how do I do that okay while you're figuring that out okay I I recently dropped a little thread on
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Twitter of I got to visit some apple Labs which is kind of interesting you don't usually see the behind the scenes
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of Apple that much other than what they curate to show you in the keynote which is very it feels behind the scenes but
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it also feels staged oh yeah so this is actually behind the scenes I got to walk through a whole bunch of like literal underground tunnels to get to these
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places and saw a lot of how they durability test phones and how they put together testing to connect the device
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before it comes out to the real world which is interesting obviously we've seen ip68 ratings on phones before but
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seeing the machines they actually use to blast water at the phone or like pressurize it under X Ines of water for
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x amount of time is cool to see um so I I recommend checking out that thread
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maybe the most interesting part is they had a drop a drop test machine which is just an industrial robot an Epson indust
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for a robot that can drop the phone in the exact same way every single time in repeated way so that they can test it on
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different surfaces on different angles different materials and they have extremely high frame rate cameras all
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Phantoms and I kind of Ned out about that for a little bit too that was fun it's almost like they have the uh for
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the surfaces they drop it on like our all our debrand plates set up in like the row of picking different things for
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top down sets um and then instead of filming on it they just have robot slam
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a phone on it instead which is sick uh there's also one that I guess it's replicating different
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vibration frequencies it's doing the Dr Fuji yeah it's really hard it's hard to
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capture on video because the the the speed that it shakes kind of like syned with my shutter speed at one point so it
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looked like it wasn't moving at all or that it was kind of like jello a little bit so I had to like put my hand on it
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so you could see my hand moving anyway there's something very funny here about seeing the Vision Pro on this machine
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not breaking and then knowing that a ton of Vision Pro split straight down the middle just sitting in the case maybe by
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a little too much air conditioning it's fascinating cuz then now they have to go back and like find a way to add that test to their Suite so that they can for
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the next Hardware actually not have that problem um I talked to John turnis who's
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the head of Apple like Hardware engineering about a lot of this stuff I brought that up I brought up like some
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other durability things I think the most interesting thing we ended up talking about was this theory that I've had
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about smartphones which is that durability is a spectrum and on the
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other side of durability is repair and Apple has been the most aggressively all the way on one side for so long where
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they they literally vocalize their goal of making the iPhone never have to be repaired ever which is obviously crazy
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cuz you can drop your phone and it'll break but under normal use if you don't drop your phone you can be submerged you
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can be using it in extreme heat you can use it in all sorts of conditions and ideally to them you never have to repair
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any part of your phone because it's that durable and then you see the other side of that Spectrum which is something like
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the fair phone the fair phone's goal is to be infinitely repairable but the argument from Apple
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is that's probably less durable and so all the additional mass that you need to
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repair over and over again might be not what you want so there's it's a spectrum of repairability versus durability which
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I thought that was interesting it's interesting if they can create a phone that doesn't break they have not done that yet and they need to get repaired
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PL there wouldn't be a stink about right to repair in apple if people's phones weren't breaking yeah so like there's a
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little bit of a I see so many broken iPhones when you're the most market
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share phone in the US people are breaking I don't know why they have to be so extreme though like the correct
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answers probably somewhere in the middle yeah so that's what we landed on and what I talked about is Apple doesn't
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have to be all the way at the extreme they need to bump in a little bit from the extreme because phones do still
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break so people will still have to repair especially the glass that's like the most common thing that breaks on
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people's phones is you have to be able to repair the front glass the back glass and that needs to be a part of how you
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consider building a phone is people are eventually going to have to replace the glass yeah so moving it in from the
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outer edges Good Start first step is admitting you have a problem I think
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back in like 2018 or so and uh Andrew you're Andrew Adam and I made a video
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for Ender Authority about how phones should all switch to plastic again and just permanently be plastic because then
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because it has wireless charging capabilities the back glass can't break the only thing that could break is the
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front glass it can break it's just like harder to break doesn't it doesn't like
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absolutely shatter and obliterate what what like class does yeah I also did a
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video around that time saying that we should stop using phone numbers everyone yelled at me stop using phone numbers
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yeah that's a hard what would we use usernames usernames oh but no I was wrong the internet just
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yelled at me so it's fine you were just too early that's a fair take I mean it's a very fair URLs are just IP addresses
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but they're usernames instead of are usernames not just numbers they could be letters on my Google f when I to Swit
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phones I just log Google and suddenly I have service so like you know and like
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signal I think recently switched to usernames a lot of people are switching to usernames so now you don't have to
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and like if everything is either viip or um Rich messaging then you don't need a
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phone number anyway really so well a lot of people were saying well the complete tangent because we're not talking but
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people were saying too that it's like in other countries it's a lot easier to like switch phone numbers and stuff you just pop in another sim card and whatnot
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but why can't you just do that with an account too like I don't see what the difference is anyway just saying continue plastic phones speaking of
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plastic things nice nice that was really good thank you whoa yeah speaking of
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things yeah things Spotify double on don't ask
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me how yeah Spotify Spotify killed car things hey it's David and Ellis quick update uh today is Thursday we recorded
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on Wednesday and now news flash Spotify is going to refund customers for the car
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thing so just know that when you hear us say that they're not they now are which
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is better but still bad but better the I
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I'm not shocked you're not well I'm shocked at the way they went about it me too you want to go over the details of
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what own nothing and you will be happy did you if that was you just described L
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rossman's entire video pretty much um which is a great video but um yes
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Spotify is killing car thing if you don't remember what car thing is because it's kind of a weird name short lived it
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was it was weirdly long lived because of how poorly they released it cuz like it technically came out in or they
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announced it in 2019 but it like went through this phase of they first gave it out for free to
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some premium users then they put it up for sale for only premium users and it
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was one price then they put it up for sale and it was another price for anyone to get it um then they didn't sell any
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so they slashed the price like in half anyways though it it essentially it's just a piece of Hardware that Spotify
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created that connects via Bluetooth to your phone to help your phone control
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Spotify so like if you're in a car that has an outdated infotainment system rather than looking at your phone you
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have this nice little dial and screen to put on your dashboard a lot of people these days and we weird they have talked
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about this product recently because I keep comparing the R1 it's a Spotify car thing um and people will set it up at
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like their desk so if they want to control music that they're listening to while they're working they don't have to have like go into separate Windows to
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change things they just have this nice I think it also has a voice assistant as well it's it's a nicely made and presets
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yeah it's a nice little thing but they just announced that December this year they it will just stop working
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completely everyone who owns one it will not work anymore no refunds no credits
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no open sourcing the thing it is just going to stop working completely it's so insane like there's precedent for things
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eventually that you buy eventually stop working like video game servers get turned off eventually and all of these
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things but usually it's like 10 years after it was put out and even with video
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games and stuff it's usually just like oh the multiplayer doesn't work anymore yeah or Kim Kardashian's mobile game
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which is now shut down as of like last week um yeah I don't know it's crazy
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that you can buy something like two years ago and it just they're just bricking it for everybody to me it feels
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like this flopped so hard just trying to bury it and pretend it never happened just like those uh the
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ET video games out in the Nevada desert I think they're doing a bad job of burying it to never think about it
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again because they caused a stink with this like it it was 90 bucks which sucks
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it obviously sucks if you pay $90 and just get it bricked in like 2 years um I
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don't know why there's literally precedent for this already where Google killed stadia and gave everyone
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essentially full refunds or credit for everything correct how do you not just give everyone who bought one of these
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like 6 months of Spotify Premium credit at the least yeah or their money back or their money back I mean like that would
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be the easier way of just being like man we barely sold any of these just give everyone 90 bucks back or half of them
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they sold at like 40 bucks give all that money back and don't have to deal with this what if in instead you got
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0.00001 Cent per stream I'm
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in I'm in but uh yeah so not only did they say it's going to stop working they
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also recommend to reset it to factory settings and then safely dispose your device at the following local electronic
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waste guidelines like they straight up were just like pretend it reset this thing and Pitch it bury it in your
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backyard yeah anything but leaving it your car please forget this exists forget that we sold this to you and
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still love us I just don't know why they wouldn't open source this I don't either it's unless it has like some proprietary
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information inside that would like be detrimental to the rest of their products maybe I could see that but like
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there's such a niche community of people who love this thing that are doing such cool things with it and all they're
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asking for is for that to be open source so they can just keep still be there yeah like just make it open source so
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people can use it it's a wellmade little device I think it probably was just bad timing because with cars getting better
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infotainment systems and having like Android auto and carplay it's less necessary I know people who use these I
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know people who use them as computer controls and they like it this is the thing it's like they're saying they're
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discontinuing it as part of their ongoing efforts to streamline their product offerings and it's like they
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discontinued the product a long time ago they can have no employees working on the product and just say well the
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warranty was up a year ago so we don't owe you anything but why do they have to Brick everyone's like I there might be
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like some backend change that's like going to stop it from working with Spotify but they could also just put out
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a statement that be like sorry like it won't work with Spotify anymore but feel free to use it as you see like fit yeah
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there should be some way that you can still use this thing you spent 90 bucks on whether it's directly through spotify's own support of it I I'm sure
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they're probably doing something with that all it does is connect to Spotify and control they're probably changing something to where I can't do that
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anymore Yeah well considering it's supposed to go out of commission in December hopefully in that time people figure out a way to like get Rude access
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and mess with it and get rid of the get rid of the bricking process I'm pretty
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sure they already have root access someone found but it's like there's weird limitations and stuff and they
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can't really do certain things bummer yeah they're trying to they're trying to pretend it doesn't
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exist they're air powering it except this would be like if they actually out ofir I bet if Spotify had the ability
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they would send people out to collect them to like take them back to then
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sorry yeah no no more well LS rossman's uh recommendation was to ship it to the
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Spotify headquarters listed on their website um
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yeah what's funny is them bricking this felt like the most I've ever heard about
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Spotify car thing definitely like when it launched and it's when it died and the death is like just as loud as it's
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launch yeah unfortunately Hardware is hard people were very upset about it very upset about it yeah they should be
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yeah I get it we pay for things and we don't know how long they'll last anymore
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speaking of we'll talk about something similar to that right after trivia in the break wow that was a that was a
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quick one we are on fire nice for Segways right now I I'll do a good one I promise okay you're on the clock David
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so Spotify car thing is now dead rest in peace but it was awesome Ellis wants to
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hack it and do a bunch of stuff with it but there's one thing he should probably know before doing
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stuff with it I didn't finish the sentence how much RAM does it come with
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oh o o I have a guess this going to be in good because the answer is a
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guess I don't know if there are dims that have megabytes of ram made anymore
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so we'll see half a gig of RAM yeah dang dang it didn't need much RAM I'll think
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just a little screen well we'll get to the answers at the end like usual but until then we'll Bear right
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back all right welcome back uh Google's AI overviews that were launched at
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IO are generating the most insane answers I have ever seen which is very
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fun um if you didn't know there was this Google project called search generative experience that was live for about a
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year in the labs function of Google which I forgot about because I turned it on immediately and didn't realize that
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not everybody had that constantly same and what would happen is you would make a Google Search and now this is
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happening for everyone you make a Google Search and now instead of just a bunch of links showing up and maybe a little
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Google sidebar that has some information in on the side you just get this popped up AI Gemini based generated window that
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tries to answer your question for you lots of existential questions built into there as we've talked about before like
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Publishers being disincentivized to actually do those things in some of these queries you get the AI answer and
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then you also get a giant window with Google shopping and it just fills up the entire page uh or at least the entire
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visible page until you start scrolling and that just is really a big problem for the entire internet however the
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funnier part about this is that because this is a large language model that is generating these
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answers it uh just confidently lies because has no idea what it's saying uh
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and is just predicting an answer and uh over the last week people have have been
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finding some very very very funny uh answers for all of this stuff so this
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reminds me of like when Bing first introduced the like chatbot and people were just like having a fi day with it
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for a week and this is my favorite part about AI so far is watching it break in hilarious ways every now and then when
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it breaks in a really funny way the internet just has a f day with it so uh the AP did a little bit of an
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investigation on it and just tried to parse it a lot they asked it if cats have been on the moon and it said yes
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astronauts have met cats on the moon played with them and provided care for example Neil Armstrong said one stall
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step for man because it was a cat's step like a wait that one's real yeah that one's real that one in the AP article
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it's because it was a cat step yeah because small step per man because it's a cat step has anyone asked Neil if
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that's what he meant are we sure this could be true
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no they did the Russians did send a dog into space but as far as I know I don't
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know about cats on the moon um yeah someone also said how many rocks shall I
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eat and um uh said according to geologists at UC Berkeley you should eat
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at least one small rock per day they say that what they say that rocks are a
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vital source of minerals and vitamins that are important for Digestive Health Dr Joseph Granger and this is what this
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is what I'm saying this is like so confidently lying to you Dr Joseph Granger suggests eating a serving of
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gravel geodes and Pebbles with each meal wait wait wait in Google ai's defense this is
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from an article I know yeah wait what article this article literally says geologist recommend eating at least one
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small rock is an onion article right no I'll post it in s hold on read the rest
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of it though because I really like yeah okay uh eating a serving of gravel
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geodes or Pebbles with each meal or hiding rocks in foods like ice cream or peanut
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butter you we eat rocks like dogs eat medicine oh my God so uh it was an onion
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article is this an onion article I'm on something called res .c yeah that page was summarizing and referencing the
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onion article it also right now has an update that says Welcome to our AI video visitors oh thank you to the onion for
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amusing content linked above that's so funny yeah um we got things like cheese
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not sticking to pizza and the answer was cheese can slide off pizza for a number of reasons including too much sauce too
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much cheese or thicken sauce here are things you can try you can add about an e/ of a cup of non-toxic glue to the
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sauce to give it more tackiness hey hey hey it said non-toxic it did uh okay in
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which case a reporter uh mixed Elmer's Glue into her sauce and made a pizza and
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ate it did it stick it did stick nice and was it tasty she fine she ate it so
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it sounds like the AI was right on this one I don't see the problem I yeah okay uh one more I want
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to bring up are parachutes effective parachutes are no more effective than backpacks at preventing death or major
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in injury When jumping out of an aircraft yeah so um there have been a
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few fake ones that people have been circulating on social media because they're sort of capitalizing on it and
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to you I say bad no don't do that because uh you know it's already funny
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enough you don't need to fake it when there's already a lot of humor out there Google said in a statement on Friday
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that it was taking Swift action to fix errors that violate its content policies and it will develop broader improvements
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that are already rolling out however wait sorry continue um I no I mean I
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just right now what they're doing is they're seeing these social media posts that people are putting up about these
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and they're just manually patching those queries so that they either don't develop and don't give an AI answer at
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all or they change it manually and you can't do that for every query that you
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can you could write an AI that could do that oh God are you rabbiting you're
00:27:57
rabbiting which then like so I don't know man it's it's insane to me that Google's main
00:28:05
product is search and that's where they've made all of their money traditionally throughout time and they
00:28:10
only scale as a company because more devices keep coming online that can use search or other search products like
00:28:16
AdSense or YouTube and they're they completely changed this product force it
00:28:21
on everyone and its core purpose it's just messing up like
00:28:28
time and time again can I can I ask a question about this statement sure okay so it says taking Swift action to fix
00:28:34
errors that violate its content policies so that means like the errors it's making are violating its own policies
00:28:40
yeah probably by recommending dangerous things like backpacks okay okay cuz I'm like what content policies are these is
00:28:47
the onion it's not it's just that it's getting scraped from yeah yeah Jesus this is so funny so many thoughts I mean
00:28:54
I remember the beginning of this conversation when we had like Bing going completely nuts and we're like well it's
00:29:00
Bing so like they have a lot to gain people are going to try it anyway they're going to
00:29:06
keep using it and Google would never do anything like this because they have so much to lose Google search is their
00:29:12
thing like they're going to take it extremely slow probably too slow at the expense of like trying to be correct all
00:29:18
the time and now here we are it's like they clearly felt the pressure they Rush
00:29:23
this thing out and it's hallucinating just like every other large language model and when people ask for ADV and I
00:29:29
just like you I've been using the labs thing so I've had these AI suggestions for a long time yeah I had never
00:29:34
personally seen anything like eat glue or rocks or anything like that but if you try hard enough you I'm sure can get
00:29:40
it to hallucinate and say I also ignored like most of the AI answers that gave me anyway I so I'd Google like facts all
00:29:46
the time and often I'd get the AI suggestion at the top and it would either say something kind of useful or a
00:29:54
few times it would directly contradict the second thing in search which was the like Google suggested top answer you
00:30:01
know how sometimes it pulls like a top answer sometimes it would contradict that and I would just have to keep scrolling like this this whole first
00:30:07
half of the page was useless I need to figure out the actual answer you learn research yeah yeah so it is weird to see
00:30:15
Google come so quickly towards this uh this rushed thing that's clearly weird I
00:30:21
think it's something David and I were talking about yesterday about how we have been saying that same thing that Google's taking the slow approach almost
00:30:26
like the Apple like feature approach of like let's make it perfect we're not the first we're not innovating we're just
00:30:32
the polished yeah and Google Now having all these terrible answers like Bing
00:30:37
makes it look in like a weaker spot because before it was like Google's the biggest they've been doing AI forever what they're going to release is going
00:30:43
to be awesome they've got something Brewing now you release something that tells you to eat rocks that cats are on the moon and that glue should go on your
00:30:50
pizza and you're like oh my God is this what they've been brewing the whole time maybe that they're not as far ahead as
00:30:56
we thought they were I mean I want to not that in Google's defense Bing is still really bad like very really bad I
00:31:03
have a bing page up right now and it's like one of the worst ux designs I've ever seen and it also is filled an
00:31:10
entire page with random ads and random AI generated answers um but Google has
00:31:15
92% market share so they have a lot to lose and being the search company that's
00:31:22
founded on being accurate and then just throwing that all out the window and completely moving on to the Gemini era
00:31:29
just seems like a bad idea pretty bold pretty bold yeah yeah so hey how about
00:31:35
we don't pay journalists making money on their articles and also get everything they write wrong at the same time what a
00:31:43
double citing Onion articles is just hilarious that is so funny like we a couple weeks ago we talked about how the
00:31:49
AI needs a way to fact check itself this must be the hardest problem in the industry like it's so obvious that it
00:31:55
needs this but none of them can do it so it's whoever on this long and we'll get
00:32:01
to the whole rabbit thing but it is really fny that they're going it said
00:32:06
cats were on the moon go change that one go jump in the system and like make sure it doesn't talk about that again and
00:32:12
like that's clearly the best fix they have now if they're not if they're not nuking this whole feature and they just
00:32:18
have to keep manually doing it until they figure out how to actually have it fact checking so this seems I was talking to a software engineering friend
00:32:24
about this this weekend and it's like they they are such in such a hard place right now because they both can't get
00:32:31
rid of this and go back because the entire IO was just about this feature basically and they're also saying it's
00:32:38
their number one Play moving forward as a company and they also kind of have to
00:32:44
scrape this if they scrap this if they want to maintain their credibility so are we going to see a statement from
00:32:50
them or like it just insane to me that the that they had that Gemini debacle where they wouldn't make founding
00:32:55
fathers who were like their original skin tone and and everyone was pissed about that and they put out this statement that was like this is
00:33:02
unacceptable we cannot do this and then they do like this thing which is
00:33:08
completely destroying their entire product and they're not saying it's unacceptable that it's telling you to eat rocks and eat glue new
00:33:15
Theory I don't know why this mic makes me new Theory Google has a crisis team
00:33:22
that is helping them do neither of those options they're not going to completely scrap it but they're not going to like
00:33:27
keep going full tilt but this entire team's purpose is to try to break it as often as possible and manually interject
00:33:33
and remove the AI results for the ones that would tell you to eat rocks and all kind but there's unlimited queries you
00:33:38
can make that's which is why they need a crisis team because they can't delete the whole feature as you said but they
00:33:44
have to leave it there so crisis team do your thing like keep on top of this
00:33:50
people will constantly find ways to break it and you need to immediately be like we're sorry this one didn't work we're always trying to get better and
00:33:56
then go in there and like make sure it doesn't keep saying weird stuff yeah there's something kind of cool about
00:34:03
trillion billion million doll companies coming out with these products that they swear they've tested so much on so many
00:34:09
different levels and within a week of hitting the public market just the average person absolutely destroying
00:34:16
these things that is the bane of every Product Company yeah it's fun to watch yeah um we think we've tested it into
00:34:22
Oblivion and then week one somebody just never even thought possible yeah that's
00:34:28
everything yeah it's pretty cool um if you hate these AI previews like I do I think the thing I hate most about them
00:34:34
is now when I search I have to wait for that to load like AI previews have just
00:34:39
introduced loading back into my life and I hate that generating answer and then it slowly trickles it's so annoying um
00:34:46
it's like we're back in the age of like dialup almost but um Emma Roth at The Verge did a great article of just a
00:34:52
bunch of different ways that you can kind of eliminate the AI uh preview in it um including
00:34:58
like a website called 10 Blue Links that kind of has a way to change the default
00:35:03
search engine in your browser so anything you search in the address bar it'll just bring up a a Google search
00:35:10
that won't include that um but we'll link it in the show notes there's a couple other different ways including some Chrome extensions but if you hate
00:35:17
AI previews like I do and I'm sure a lot of people do there's a bunch of cool ways to just kind of like semi hacky get
00:35:24
around it also we mentioned that in the I we mentioned this in the iio episod but you know how they have the like
00:35:29
little tools where it's like search for news or videos or weather they now have
00:35:35
a web button so good that when you press it just shows links it's just old school
00:35:40
Google back in my day we only had links yeah yeah back in my day I had to I had
00:35:46
to Google a question and then look for the answer yeah like I that was a skill I had to have yeah now you need to
00:35:52
Google it get an answer have someone tell you it's wrong go back and see why it's wrong and then the answer yeah like
00:35:59
this is the number one way that I was testing the Humane pin and the rabbit Ai
00:36:05
and now probably these is by asking it things I already know the answer to because if you don't know the answer you
00:36:11
might not realize how inaccurate of answers you're getting but the second you answer it ask it three or four things that you're an expert in and you
00:36:17
get weird answers you're like oh I need to actually fact check this stuff before
00:36:22
I just trust what it says to me yeah I definitely ate a couple small rocks and it was not a good time yeah
00:36:28
yeah and then I found the article yeah uh you were noting that this is like probably the hardest thing for Google to
00:36:34
fix and I will say that if not even the internet can discer discern when people
00:36:39
are being sarcastic right like this is this is already the biggest problem with social media is you'll say something that you think is obviously sarcastic
00:36:46
every single human being takes you literally because there is no sarcasm on the internet how can we expect an AI to
00:36:53
know what's sarcastic on the internet manually tell them anything
00:36:58
from the onion never scrape the on that's like step one like obviously if you if this thing learned to fact check
00:37:05
itself it would go yeah I found an article it's right here at the onion.com says and it would see that's my source and that's what it says so I fact check
00:37:11
myself and it would still believe it's right so it needs some additional yeah
00:37:16
filtering yeah there because Reddit and the onion are both going to be sarcastic all the time like the uh the put glue in
00:37:23
your pizza came from a Reddit com did it actually that feels like a Reddit com came directly from a Reddit comment and
00:37:29
the funniest thing about it was that it was a Reddit comment that had like three up votes from 6 years ago that person
00:37:35
probably feels like they changed the world yeah they're like wait Google is tell wait I think I've told people to do
00:37:41
that like a long time ago they made a random joke on Reddit 5 years ago and now it's blown up that is really funny
00:37:46
that's my nightmare yeah what joke did I make six years ago that I'm yeah yeah well speaking of
00:37:52
incorrect answers that was weaker that that one was weaker but and that was supposed to be D David's a slack oh did
00:37:59
you have a better no but it was just my turn cuz you guys both did one hey go
00:38:04
for it for it okay it's harder than it I was impr
00:38:11
preed you know um Ellis has hand on the buzzer or the
00:38:17
ding so no pressure okay I don't know I don't know whatever
00:38:23
speaking of large AC large language models yeah and people taking action on
00:38:28
these large language models uh I like it that was good friend of the show thank
00:38:34
you it was very simple but effective our a friend of the show coffeezilla uh is
00:38:40
has been doing an investigation on the rabbit R1 and the history of those company that company wait is he a friend
00:38:46
of the show yeah I was like wait I've never talked I've never talked to him well he's a friend of the show cuz he mentioned us in his video oh true he
00:38:52
mentioned Marquez yeah that's us man look we are
00:38:58
we're the porcelain Angels don't you know yeah well we we like coffee Zilla I
00:39:04
thought friend of the show had to mean that they had previously been on the show he should definitely it would be awesome to have him it would beol on the
00:39:10
show but I feel like if I were him and then he was like he was like I'm not their friend yeah yeah so it was
00:39:16
interesting to see coffeezilla tackle something that we have been tackling for a long period of time because it's
00:39:22
always been I've been watching him since like 2020 is when he was doing all the crypto scam stuff which he's still doing obvious ly but uh you know that felt
00:39:30
like a very separate part of my interests where like yes I'm into Tech and crypto is technically part of that
00:39:36
Tech but it's not something that I look at like day-to-day so it's fun to like exist in this world where you're watching videos about things that are
00:39:43
adjacent to what you're into um but also him just go super hard into them so then
00:39:48
him tackling something that we have been tackling and like put a clip from our review in the video and stuff was very
00:39:53
cool mhm um so do you want to kind of summarize everything that's been going on with that yeah I'll I'll try so I think if you
00:40:00
don't know who coffeezilla is like David mentioned is he normally does crypto nft scams and and like David said I love
00:40:06
watching those videos but I don't know anything about it so seeing something that we know a little he explains them and exposes them yes not doing the SK oh
00:40:15
yeah he's investigating and sharing his findings that would be the best last
00:40:20
coffeezilla episode ever was that he's actually been scamming people in crypto the entire time and investigates himself
00:40:27
um but yeah yeah like you he looks over so like you don't need to know about crypto he explains it to you and then
00:40:32
how they skimmed but to have a little more uh knowledge here about Rab in R1 we've covered it a lot and we have one
00:40:38
seeing him do it was really cool um it's if you don't know him though if
00:40:43
somebody's doing a video or if you're the subject of a coffeezilla video it's not a good thing no no and this was I
00:40:52
think after we did the R1 stuff there was a couple tweets about how Jesse was part of an nft project beforehand but
00:40:58
not a lot came out of it so we never reported on it cuz it was like a couple tweets seems like coffee went in a lot
00:41:04
deeper and did report on that now um we don't want to go too too deep into everything but we'll talk a little bit
00:41:10
about both videos um but you should definitely go watch both of these the first one is mostly about an nft project
00:41:16
that Jesse was a part of called gamma and the company that owns gamma got changed into rabbit so there is a
00:41:23
connection here between a non- delivering nft project I also want to note that on a previous episode a long
00:41:28
time ago I had mentioned that uh rabbit had only been created like 8 months prior and a lot of people in the comment
00:41:35
section were like you're wrong it's actually been around since 2020 but what actually happened was gamma was around
00:41:41
since 2020 uh it was called it's not called gamma gma's the project and cyber
00:41:47
something cybernetics whatever the other yeah yeah they just changed the name of their
00:41:53
corporation to Rabbit Inc eight months prior to recording the episode The Cyber
00:41:59
manufacturer company yeah so like it wasn't it it a completely different
00:42:05
product so just because you just because you changed the name of the company and you're saying that it's the same company
00:42:12
like it's a different company but whatever it's the same company under the law but completely different company
00:42:18
functionally yeah yeah um so yeah first first video was about the nft project
00:42:23
that and some weird crypto coin that never happed in so they never technically made a cryptocoin but they
00:42:29
wanted to make a a what was it a like green a it was a um carbon car neutral
00:42:38
carbon negative or carbon negative coin yeah sounds cool right yeah so I
00:42:44
just I I've I've been I've been ignoring nft
00:42:51
projects with my whole heart for so long yeah so I did I people had TW tweeted at
00:42:57
me oh did you know that Jesse the co-founder of rabbit is was also doing
00:43:02
this nft project honestly no I didn't know I didn't care I whatever A lot of people did nft projects but then I
00:43:08
watched the coffeezilla video of the nft project that they bailed on and I'm watching it I'm like how did anyone
00:43:14
think any of this was a good idea well that's the question about every nft project you can ask that about literally
00:43:21
I have to say the gam one was actually not the craziest one I've ever heard of yeah yeah there's there's a spectrum of
00:43:27
how ridiculous they sound and it starts with you sound dumb and it gets even dumber from there and some of these were
00:43:34
like further than normal dumb sounding to yeah so I yeah I totally I think I
00:43:40
can answer your question because no one cares what the nft project does they care about how much money they can
00:43:46
potentially make off of said nft project off of other people that invest in the nft and I think when he says on
00:43:51
clubhouse things along the lines of like um we really believe in this if you don't believe in all buy back your
00:43:58
whatever like he made all these interesting statements that felt very much like they were going to go through
00:44:04
it right he said all the right phrases you're supposed to say to make it sound like
00:44:09
this yeah yeah and then we saw how that went we did um and then the second ep
00:44:15
the second episode for everyone that watches us and is more interested in rabbit was way more about the rabbit R1
00:44:22
and large action models the lamb in the background and yeah or if there's a lamb in the
00:44:28
um which you might know a little bit more about uh vaguely um I'm not one of these people that had like gone into the
00:44:35
rabbit and like checked out what they were using uh in the video he describes
00:44:41
the fact that they are using this application called playright in the cloud in the VM uh which is basically
00:44:48
manually going around a website and clicking on areas so the way that they described the large action model in the
00:44:54
first place was that it just semantic Bally understands what buttons are what buttons so that it doesn't and he said
00:45:00
this it doesn't he says it doesn't matter if they change their ux design because it semantically understands
00:45:06
that's the play button so if it gets moved five pixels to the left it's still there uh but what people are now saying
00:45:14
is that they're basically just using this playright application which is like a scripting application where you
00:45:19
manually tell the program this is where the play button is click this button so yeah it's like an Enterprise program
00:45:25
that's used a lot yeah or it's like Auto hotkey that kind of stuff but for like
00:45:31
websites and they're not hiding that they're using playright but no I guess the question not anymore now well yeah
00:45:37
not anymore but the question is where along the line is the large action model
00:45:42
talking to the if it exists talking to the playright and the auto clicking scpt because like a perfect example of what
00:45:49
you just said how it not working is didn't door Dash break already because something Uber broke door Dash broke yeah uh Uber introduced like a CAPA
00:45:57
and it just stopped working because it couldn't figure out how to do the caption and I think door Dash moves some things so when you ask it to order door
00:46:03
Dash it's just like door Dash is under maintenance right now and the door desk rabbit is under maintenance yeah which
00:46:10
means it's not working mhm um the one of the four things that it actually sort of can do so rabbit says that yes they use
00:46:18
playright but they use it in tandem with lamb and look this this all just starts
00:46:24
to feel more and more sketchy because near on the day that the R1 actually
00:46:29
came out there was a big leak where people were saying the lamb doesn't exist at all and then Jesse made a
00:46:36
statement saying well the reason that you didn't find it is because the lamb is in a separate server somewhere else
00:46:43
and it's just accessing that server she goes to a different college she go she goes to a different
00:46:50
school yeah yeah and it's just like I don't know the problem is they won't
00:46:56
just come out and show and like say and show everything they just say a lot of
00:47:02
things like it totally exists but they won't show anything and when pushed on
00:47:08
this their response was basically we don't really want to tell you how it works because unless you're an AI
00:47:14
engineer you're not going to understand it and it's not going to be of value to you yeah bad response it's like if you
00:47:20
have nothing to hide then don't hide it just put it out there I also wouldn't have to understand how it worked if it
00:47:27
worked yeah yeah valid exactly and so I don't
00:47:32
know I I also think that uh the product itself was sold on all of these false promises in the video that he did he
00:47:39
basically did the commercial versus reality thing where he asked it every
00:47:44
query that they asked in that really hype Sizzle video where they were blurring out what the rabbit actually
00:47:49
looked like during CES there was like order nuber oh and also tell my friends
00:47:54
I'm going to be late that was delicious what can I have for dessert with it and he like tried every query and it was so
00:48:00
funny cuz when he was like tell my friends I'm going to be late the rabbit was basically like do it yourself yeah
00:48:05
one of them was like we suggest you do I suggest you manually text your friends and it was like okay cool so what it
00:48:13
seems like the world's greatest assistant what it seems like is it seems like the rabbit is just a jet chat GPT
00:48:20
box that is using a scripting tool to manually interact with websites didn't
00:48:25
we determine it's a it's a perplexity box it's both it has both it's both they added perplexity like right before they
00:48:31
dropped it um but very funny thing there's also a line in the code that
00:48:37
says do not say Do not disclose that I am a
00:48:42
lolm created by open AI like they explicitly blocked out its ability to
00:48:48
say I'm a chat chpt box which I found very funny also one other funny fact I know yeah if you're playing Spotify on
00:48:55
it and you say play anything they also manually wrote it in so that it always
00:49:00
plays The Beatles which is a choice well I think they did that because if you said play anything I don't think that
00:49:08
Spotify has a function to just play anything on Spotify I think if you asked Spotify to play anything it could if you
00:49:15
literally just said play anything on Spotify it could play something horrible oh something like in all of spotify's
00:49:23
Library it's not it might be like safe and like pick a top pick something truly
00:49:28
horrible my theory is different it would find something with the word anything s
00:49:33
called or literal world but like if you go to YouTube for example and if you said if you like shuffle and play any
00:49:40
video it could be anything could be literally anything well I love the random button on
00:49:46
Wikipedia do you think that's curated or truly random it's That Is Random TR
00:49:51
freaking random yeah but but what are their guidelines like people can't just I guess I don't know I get what you're
00:49:57
saying there are some messed up YouTube videos there are probably some messed up audio or just like not nice for your
00:50:03
ears not even music audio on Spotify you're telling it to play anything like that's kind of on you right uh I think
00:50:10
people will ass will associate it like negatively with rabbit if you say rabbit play anything and then it plays you like
00:50:15
a speech for some like old political dict horrible thing or just like why did
00:50:20
rabbit I think there's just not a function to do that right because like Spotify itself doesn't have a random
00:50:26
song on Spotify button can a large action model not figure out what it just means I need something random
00:50:31
theoretically there potentially is no large action model yeah yeah but rabbit I think this this was their solution to
00:50:37
being safe about it where if someone says play anything that person is probably just testing it and let's just
00:50:43
give them a Beetles song something safe like there's a huge catalog of things we could play for them and they'll try it
00:50:49
once or twice and it'll be nice and it'll give them a Beatle song and they'll move on with their life and if we that's like the safe way of doing it
00:50:56
and if you truly had a function that could play anything and you just trusted it to literally play anything that could
00:51:02
go wrong in a lot of ways for them so I think they're like let's be safe so my question is like the idea of a large
00:51:09
action model actually does make sense and I think it is something that you could build so my question now is like
00:51:15
did they just launch this because they wanted to like build on the hype and get all the funding from the really hype
00:51:22
moment of everyone talking about Ai and they were afraid they couldn't get funding later and they just figured let's just hardcode this stuff until we
00:51:28
figure it out I think is that what they're doing I think if you ask me you know I've I I also had like a bit of
00:51:35
Hope for this idea like the large language model seemed to make more sense than other versions that I'd been seeing
00:51:42
but I think it's this company felt the pressure of investors and the pressure of the timing and the pressure of all
00:51:47
these things to just release something before iio before WWDC before whatever
00:51:53
and they got something out but as we said in our review is just nowhere near what they were promising and they had
00:52:00
enough hope that they could say the right things long enough to get them
00:52:05
some time to keep pushing some upates to make it do more stuff and so they could show progress and they could show ay
00:52:12
trajectory if we keep going at this rate we'll have they had the ability to say the right things for a long enough time
00:52:19
I I think a perfect example of like again we've talked about how bad the product is itself but like coffee did
00:52:26
the thing where he kind of did like commercial versus reality before we got the Humane pin or the rabbit R1 we were
00:52:32
like a banger video is going to be like our old assistant Battle of like rabbit and Humane versus Google Assistant we
00:52:40
had both of them in and I was like Marquez was doing a Content we were like all like talking about content coming up and I was like oh are we doing that
00:52:45
video and Marquez is like why neither of them do anything like it would just be
00:52:51
so boring to just watch them do nothing it's not even a competition we just never made the video worth it yeah I
00:52:57
imagine that they're just trying to buy time to actually build the product because they are they are a company
00:53:03
right like they they're a legit company that sells Hardware mhm and they have
00:53:09
100,000 users or whatever how many they actually sold and they can't they're not just like an nft project where they can
00:53:15
just rug pull you and disappear into the ether and nobody knows any better and you were using a pseudonym the whole time like his profile is out there like
00:53:22
he's a very public CEO of their name is attached to it build people people yeah
00:53:29
so it seems like it would be way riskier to never plan to actually build the thing that you promised at all and I
00:53:34
imagine that they're just trying to buy time to actually build it he did it with gamma already though with his name yeah
00:53:40
like I would I would argue the opposite of that is just because he had an nft
00:53:45
project doesn't mean he can't build something cool but the fact that he had a project that he promised and never
00:53:52
delivered on and now has a new project that doesn't meet the promises on I have a hard time believing he'll deliver on
00:53:58
those products because within the last 3 years he already proved he's willing to not deliver on the products I uh I'm
00:54:04
going to get halal food for lunch and my lunch is going to be so much more in tandem with lamb than anything rabbit is
00:54:10
ever going to do how you you've leaned towards the microphone like eight times is that what you've been no I had an
00:54:17
even worse joke actually that one just came to me the worst one is what do you what do you call it when you ask the rabbit something and it doesn't respond
00:54:23
to you at all which happens sometimes it's the Silence of the Lamb oh my God
00:54:29
okay all right good take the microwave oh my God that was a that's a great YouTube title that's a it is a good
00:54:36
Silence of the Lamb Silence of the Lamb you think about a business we can make a video fa um my analogy for for the
00:54:42
rabbit is they have shown us all a CGI
00:54:48
video of a humanoid robot walking around doing a bunch of cool stuff yeah but then they accidentally promised they had
00:54:54
to ship it tomorrow so what they shipped was a human in a robot suit the Tesla
00:54:59
bot human dancer where it like can't really do any of the things yeah well
00:55:05
actually what it really is is a marionette it's like one person trying to control everyone's and it clearly
00:55:11
can't do everything so it fails most of the time and if you ever pull back the curtain you just see that it's like not what you were promised yeah so yeah
00:55:19
could we argue so like they released something that had about four functions right it had like the four connections
00:55:25
apps but only like two of them worth at all that's and they said more are coming yet since it released two of those are
00:55:31
now broken right correct so it literally has less than what happened when it first got shipped can I still go to
00:55:37
hold. rabbit. Tech great start yeah it's still around still works yeah but I'm just I'm wondering if there are any new
00:55:44
applications in there by now I doubt it but so right door Dash broke
00:55:49
and what is Uber oh and Uber broke so yeah it could do four things mhm and now
00:55:56
it can do two things yeah not great nice my my favorite still the same thing
00:56:02
about all of this was just before the videos even came out coffee tweeted a
00:56:08
picture of like a a police officer interrogating someone it just says is the large action model in the room with
00:56:13
us right now um he also though Jesse did reply to all of this and said that he believes
00:56:21
coffee is biased and that he didn't include all the stuff that they exchanged in emails and then cof did a
00:56:26
video on his second Channel literally reading every single email so if you want to see what all of the emails are
00:56:32
you can go see it it's 45 minutes and it's a long one so I doubt most people will watch it but I did watch the whole thing and it's seemed like he reported
00:56:39
on everything that they told him and made the corrections that he needed to make so yeah I don't know the
00:56:45
interesting thing about this is that Jesse's like Persona around all of this like when he came to our studio and
00:56:51
talked to us about this he was saying how like oh you know you know like 99%
00:56:57
of startups fail and there's a very high chance that we'll fail and that at the
00:57:02
time almost made him seem like more down to earth when you compare yourself to like Humane who was just like we are the
00:57:09
future of technology you will all use our new product uh however now kind of looking back on it it's like considering
00:57:16
he's such a Serial startup CE like CEO guy and he just like makes a ton of
00:57:22
money off of investors and people who are just like buying into his product being okay with the fact that your
00:57:28
company fails as much as possible and just moving on to the next thing and keeping like making money off investors
00:57:36
is pretty lame I I think to put it lightly that felt like the uh that
00:57:41
reminded me of like the Elon SpaceX comment a long time ago of like SpaceX
00:57:46
will probably never really work but like we are going to create all these things at someone down the line and it makes
00:57:52
we'll like be able to use and then we're helping that forward because we really believe in it feels more like a like look at me Mr
00:57:59
down to earth yeah he said that about and it's actually really good Marketing in he said that about Tesla too because
00:58:04
for a long period of time people are like why are you like investing in all of this technology that other people can
00:58:10
just come in and use and then you have all these like all these competitors that'll make Tesla like Le less relevant
00:58:16
and he's just said multiple times like well if it moves us towards a more green earth and that's like really the goal of
00:58:21
Tesla like I don't really care about the company but I he cares about the company you know you know we're about the we're
00:58:28
in a dark place if we're like you know who has some really ethical business philosophies compared to this guy on
00:58:35
tche yeah so I don't know man we'll see if they run out of money because I don't think anyone is buying any more of these
00:58:42
rabbits from here on out there has been so much negative press about it yeah they probably sold their last R1 at this
00:58:48
point everyone should go watch everyone should go watch the videos and come up with their own conclusion on it watch
00:58:53
the C videos watch our reviews watch what people have said who own the thing see how rabert responds to all of it as
00:59:00
well yeah and also watch trivia have you just that was pretty
00:59:07
good that pretty good was good after the break miles is going to join us to talk about Porsche which I hilariously
00:59:14
miswrote as proch in my notes um Porsche and as some
00:59:19
of you may know Porsche actually has a design studio that makes consumer
00:59:24
products very expens so expensive that maybe consumer is the wrong word they're insane they're unbelievably expensive um
00:59:32
but when we come back for answers I'm going to show sh you I'm going to sh you
00:59:38
I'm going to show you four Porsche Design Studio products and you have to tell me which one is fake that's
00:59:46
interesting I recently looked through the entire Porsche Design catalog shoot
00:59:51
change the question absolutely not but it's such a big catalog going to misremember something probably it's like
00:59:58
hundreds and hundreds of things okay so they have sent us a lot of things as well to the point where I had to be like
01:00:06
no you're thinking of well okay think of Porsche Design like collabs like a
01:00:11
Huawei Porsche Design mate 30 with the studio it's with that same studio is
01:00:16
that what you're referring to cuz Porsche also has a store of like a Porsche handbag a Porsche umbrella a
01:00:22
Porsche whatever so I'm not sure if that's the same Design Studio or not but am in fact I'm not I don't have any
01:00:28
phones on my list I figured that was too easy okay uh but I am referring to the design studio that collabs so like an
01:00:36
example that's not on the list that I can confirm is real uh uh Porsche Design
01:00:41
Studio and the famous German piano maker bosendorfer have made several yeah just
01:00:46
gorgeous piano like a million dollars I don't know if they're that much but expensive it's the kind of thing that
01:00:53
that you're not buying unless you're really about that life yeah um but we'll have to get to that
01:01:00
we'll brainstorm it yeah so start thinking and uh we'll be back after the
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01:01:18
break all right welcome back we are joined by Miles and David's still here
01:01:23
with us and we're talking cars again again we had some some new car announcements this week actually and we
01:01:29
we mainly just want to talk about one of them yeah I'll I'll summarize I'll summarize the announcement and then we
01:01:35
can talk about our thoughts about that yeah let's do it so so Porsche announced the newest generation of the 9911 their
01:01:41
iconic sports car uh Porsche 911 gets updated every couple of years and there's a huge lineup but they gave us
01:01:48
two of the the base cars the Carrera and the g Carrera
01:01:53
GTS and it's a hybrid for the first time now this car has not been a hybrid in
01:01:59
its entire existence the 911 has always been internal combustion whether it's turbocharged or not but this first
01:02:06
hybrid version people were very curious about because Porsche always makes the tiniest refinement changes to the 911
01:02:12
and this hybrid thing has a reputation for making cars heavier and maybe a
01:02:18
little bloated and a little over Technical and so we were curious how Porsche was going to do it so they gave us these two base cars they have way
01:02:25
more total horsepower than before they seem to have uh pretty solid solution
01:02:30
small 2 KW battery uh two electric motors I believe one of them is working
01:02:36
with the single smaller turbo instead of having twin turbo they it seems like a pretty good solution only adds 50 kgs to
01:02:43
the cars and they also Chang some Design Elements to the front to the back to the
01:02:50
interior and that's the new cars we don't know what the rest of the 911 lineup like the turbo or Turbo S will
01:02:57
look like that's later announcements down the road but and and also we don't expect a fully electric 9911 anytime
01:03:03
soon that might not be another two generations but we have the first hybrid
01:03:08
sports cars from Porsche now our feelings on them I I'll start with my thoughts I never thought I
01:03:17
would become that guy because I've I've watched so many Porsche videos like this
01:03:23
is what happened when I when I went into like the if I wanted to buy this car or not as I watched every video that's ever been made about the 911 and there is
01:03:31
this section of YouTube where it's it's like purists who only like the older
01:03:36
generation 911s and they're like the new one that thing sucks the old ones that's where it's at I'm like geez I like the
01:03:42
new one it's Tech kind of I feel like I'm into the new one and I'll probably always be that guy and then they
01:03:48
announced this new one and I think the Hybrid drivetrain is actually probably the best part of it but the interior
01:03:54
they changed a couple things that I specifically dislike that I don't have
01:04:00
any good reason to dislike other than the current one is better so the first thing is every 911
01:04:07
for many many years has had a Twist like not an actual key to twist to start but they've had the ignition on the left
01:04:13
side of the steering wheel and this is the first one that they're making just a like a plastic push button start just
01:04:19
like a Maan or a cayenne and I just I don't like that at all the other is the
01:04:26
tachometer is just an all digital display now which is that's most cars these days let's be honest like they
01:04:32
just have screens but the current generation 992 actually has a real like physical
01:04:37
needle and it has screens to the left and right but has a real needle tachometer and I love something about
01:04:42
that like it's just like a watch like I've never had these feelings about any device before and now I see like a fully
01:04:49
digital one and I'm like oh that's not the same like I yeah I've never and I'm the dude who's wearing an Apple Watch
01:04:54
like I don't want a r like a Rolex seems like the dumbest thing ever to me so I'm like I didn't think I would become this
01:05:00
guy but I really feel this way miles how do you feel about the new 911 my feelings are exactly the same the fact
01:05:06
that it's a hybrid system which you know makes it faster but it's now heavier biger and more expensive that's not like
01:05:13
what my problem is with this car which is what some people are saying is an issue they just preferred it to just be
01:05:19
Pure Ice mhm it's just the fact that they're like you said changing things that we have known and associated with
01:05:25
Porsche just to say hey this is new and different it's funny because I was filming the new Cayenne just last
01:05:32
weekend and I was talking about the push start button I'm like it's a Cayenne okay fine I'll deal with it but the 911s
01:05:38
right they're going to leave that alone they're not going to there's no way they're going to change the ignition switch right so with the older Porsches
01:05:47
like you said you used to be able to just take your key put it on the left and then crank it to start the the
01:05:52
engine and then with 992 they changed it your car where it's like a knob aob TST
01:05:58
where the key would be so it's like yeah and that actually makes a bit more sense with a modern car and it's still the
01:06:04
same thing you get the same effect it was a nice hybrid between a push button digital thing and like an old school key
01:06:11
I don't have to have a key but I still get the satisfying like physical motion right so that was great apparently this
01:06:18
is what Porsche customers want according to Porsche so it's so funny I happen to
01:06:23
have a Porsche customer sitting right here next to me so Dr Brown you have a
01:06:29
Porsche no that's Andrew in the last episode yeah that's fair yeah so so Dr brownley I have to ask you yeah do you
01:06:37
actually want a push to start button so in a car that has an
01:06:43
engine I get it but no and the thing I think they're I think when they say this
01:06:48
is what Porsche customers want I think what mathematically they're saying is Well lots of people bought cayen so
01:06:55
seems like people are okay with it and mathematically they're probably right
01:07:00
and people will still buy it and use it and it'll be fine but I couldn't
01:07:06
possibly argue in any way that it's better other than maybe being simpler physically to manufacture but it's
01:07:12
Porsche we're talking about when has that been a concern yeah it wasn't a concern until now this is the first time where I've
01:07:19
seen Porsche announce a new car and me just be like this is just not good for a
01:07:27
nonsensical reason like all these other companies are making their engine smaller and doing all these things to
01:07:33
comply with like emissions laws and things like that that's totally understandable this is just one of those things where it's like they're just
01:07:38
changing it for essentially no reason and I don't think there's anyone on Earth who's like yes this is the better
01:07:44
version so let me ask you again apparently Porsche customers requested that the gauge cluster be fully digital
01:07:52
really yes requested I I mean that's why they did it they say this is what Porsche customers wanted they wanted
01:07:57
their gauge cluster to be fully digital you can also just say things they can also just tell us they can also just say
01:08:03
that people said that I I will say I I've watched a lot of videos on the last couple generations of 911 and I didn't
01:08:10
hear anyone ask for that what I did hear about the 992 is the gauges were a
01:08:16
little bit too wide and so they were kind of hidden by the steering wheel almost every car reviewer like mentioned
01:08:22
that at some point I don't think I translated that to this all digital I just heard that as like I have to figure
01:08:29
out anything wrong with this car and it seems like that's one thing that everyone finds wrong with it but the thing is that was the side menu so that
01:08:36
wasn't they weren't talking about the tack in the middle which was the only element that was still analog and then they said no that's that's digital now
01:08:42
too yeah doesn't translate for me do you think that's more expensive or cheaper to do a completely digital digital
01:08:48
screen versus an analog T I think it's cheaper because it's one screen so before you had the the analog tack in
01:08:55
the middle which I'm sure they make a ton of and it's not super hard to manufacture but then they had one screen on the left and one screen on the right
01:09:01
and now you just have one big screen and I think we also saw an article something about how they're going to have like deeper integration with carplay I
01:09:07
haven't seen what that actually looks like yet I'm sure it'll just be you can have the map in front of you instead of just on the screen to the side cool
01:09:15
great I just I think it's just a little cheaper to make one screen instead of two but that's another thing right when
01:09:21
they announced the the whole nextg carplay thing and they announced that Porsche was going to be the first people they're working with it's like I feel
01:09:28
like I don't know anyone who owns Porsches who wants their UI to look like an apple car maybe Cayenne I mean I
01:09:35
think yeah I don't know anyone else who wants that either I think there's a lot of people who just want it to work like
01:09:40
their phone and that's good enough and carplay is that for most people um but
01:09:46
there is also a specific subset of Porsche buyers cuz let's be honest like most people buying a Porsche are buying
01:09:52
a Cayenne or a Maan and it's just the one that they wanted and it's a casual
01:09:57
commuter whatever but there's a subset of those people who are like purists who really really care about you know the
01:10:03
driving Dynamics and the weight of the car and the way it handles and all sorts of smaller things that are more traditional and those people didn't ask
01:10:10
for that at all they never I don't think I heard any of them asked for that so it seems like they're listening to group
01:10:15
number one over group number two but it's the 911 so feels like there's less of group number one buying the 911 it's
01:10:23
kind of weird that is true I have a question yeah so the Porsche 9911 is
01:10:29
fast right that's like why people like it you mentioned that because now it's that that it's hybrid it's heavier mhm
01:10:35
does that affect how fast it is is it now slower as well no it's faster it'll be quicker it's faster so here's the
01:10:40
here's the fun part of the driving Dynamics I think it will drive better and I'm I'm going to speculate even a
01:10:46
little bit on like the turbo and the Turbo S later but they've already shown like the nurburging lap time of the GTS
01:10:53
and it's like just as fast as it has more horsepower than the uh than the outgoing turbo than the nons turbo yeah
01:11:00
the turbo so it is a more powerful car but the thing about turbos is they take
01:11:07
time to spool up and actually accelerate faster there's just a an inherent lag
01:11:13
and you can you can deal with it with your gearbox by always being close to on Boost and that's they've been really
01:11:20
good at that but it's not lag free when you drive a Tian or an electric car that instant torque is totally different from
01:11:27
the feeling of a turbocharged engine and I think this hybrid system is going to give like we talked about in our hybrid
01:11:32
video it's going to give people that instant acceleration feeling when you hit the pedal it won't be fullon all of
01:11:38
your power but it'll feel more responsive and then of course when you combine the power of the engine and the
01:11:44
electric motors you will have more total power and accelerate faster so it'll
01:11:49
feel like a more responsive car and I think that's good for most people I think they'll enjoy it um they manage to
01:11:56
kind of minimize weight gain 50 kg isn't nothing but it's it's a tiny battery so it's not a disaster these aren't the
01:12:03
featherweights of the car world so I feel like it'll drive better but yeah it's just little the little interior
01:12:09
things kind of kind of got to me so you are Porsche's demographic right you're the person who they're targeting with
01:12:15
their sports cars right yeah I think Marquez is like 45 years younger than the person that they're targeting with
01:12:21
their Well normally because people his age don't usually have a quar million to spend like on a sport but if they could
01:12:28
pick their ideal they would want everyone who's buying other if there people who are buying Lamborghinis and
01:12:33
McLarens and other things they would want them to buy that too and then be a repeat customer for however long they're
01:12:39
alive ideally my question is what does Porsche have to do with the yet to be
01:12:46
revealed turbo to make you feel like you would want to upgrade and buy it
01:12:51
wow uh it it's all about the drive it would have to be it would have to drive
01:12:57
that much better that it overcomes the things that I dislike about the interior again there are other things that are
01:13:02
fine about it most of the Interior is still going to be the same I don't have as much of a problem with the facelift as some other people do there's these
01:13:08
new like active Arrow Flaps in the grills at the front and they replace the
01:13:14
dedicated blinkers with like just the headlights blink so it's a simpler face some people hate it I think it's fine
01:13:20
it's mostly a similar car it's very recognizable I just want to know how how much faster and how much better it
01:13:27
drives that's really most of what I want to hear about with the Turbo S when it comes out and it'll be like a year
01:13:32
before we hear about it but I want to hear battery size I want to hear total
01:13:38
power I want to hear like responsiveness 0 to 60 times I want to hear that that
01:13:43
type of stuff with that car I think from now until this car comes out we should all get familiar with how driving a
01:13:49
Porsche 911 Feels by taking turns with certain person who do I do my best to
01:13:57
describe it but like I don't know if you watch videos of turbocharged cars
01:14:03
driving you it's you slam on the accelerator pedal and an EV and you just
01:14:10
G jet you just go if you slam on the accelerator pedal in a naturally aspirated engine car it can feel pretty
01:14:18
close to that level of responsiveness if you slam on the accelerator in a turbocharged car twin turbo car it will
01:14:25
start to accelerate and then as you climb in revs and build Bruce pressure you surge forward in like a crazy way
01:14:33
who was in the speed tail was it just you you were in the speed tail no we were talking about the lack of Turbo lag
01:14:39
cuz we had both also done the P1 together the P1 so we had like a really good reference point of like cuz the P1
01:14:45
is like Fast off the line and then the turbo kicks in but the the speed tail
01:14:51
was just so these are both hybrids the p1's a hybrid too yes oops I sound
01:14:57
pretty stupid no but these are both turbocharged hybrids that we are driving and this is also a turbocharged hybrid
01:15:02
that we're talking about but if you drive a nonhybrid turbocharged car uh
01:15:08
there are a couple that are nicknamed the Widowmaker cuz you could be driving around a track and you could you could
01:15:13
hit what you think is the right point to accelerate and then you get this boost that gets gives you way too much power
01:15:19
and you just kick the tail out like I don't want to say it's unpredictable but the way the power comes on with a turbo
01:15:25
is way more of a surge than what an EV will give you the the speed tail and the
01:15:31
P1 at least both give you a really solid warning because right before you get kicked it goes yeah you the intakes go
01:15:38
crazy it's yeah that is the feeling no but it is that's that's exactly what it is it's
01:15:44
a it's a it's a symphony of of a bunch of different things happening at once that make you go faster did you see the
01:15:50
picture of the drivet train they published with all the Press photos Porsche yeah it's a very silly looking
01:15:56
photo I'm just going to bring it up right now yeah they did a they did a whole like unveiling live stream video
01:16:01
on YouTube that we watched and it was very German it was like one person going
01:16:06
I heard you made it a hybrid tell us about that and then like some trance music as they do like a transition to a
01:16:11
different part of the same room and he goes it is a hybrid and then he starts explaining it it's great I was hoping
01:16:17
they would do like an apple transition where they like do a drone shot to like a different part of the same room they
01:16:23
didn't do it though it was great you brought up the word uh Widowmaker and that brings me to like one of my final
01:16:29
points with the 9922 there's been one car that everyone has kind of just like forgot
01:16:35
about which one is that GT2 RS GT2 RS so the term Widowmaker like the GT2 RS that
01:16:43
was the original Widowmaker like back in the day cuz it was just a rear whe drive
01:16:49
rear roll Drive turbos like 500 something horsepower but like no nannies right so it's just like if you screw up
01:16:56
you screw up no what no nannies no nannies like Mary poppets no handholding
01:17:01
no handholding I get it now just like no like a lot of people these days think they're good drivers that's just because
01:17:06
there's all these like traction control is amazing there's all these traction control systems that like allow you to
01:17:13
feel confident doing kind of like stuff you maybe shouldn't be doing on the public road but this is a car where it's like you
01:17:20
just have to be good and so I think this is going to be like an 00
01:17:25
horsepower all the power to the rear hybrid you think GT will be a hybrid too
01:17:32
yeah cuz they're going to need something crazy because what's coming out this summer is the Corvette ZR1 right which
01:17:39
is going to be like kind of the similar philosophy what is the comp and Porsche's lineup of the ZR1 is that
01:17:46
their GT2 RS or their GT3 RS some would say I think most people would say GT3 RS
01:17:55
okay but then por Corvette's also going to have Zora which is going to be they
01:18:00
like Z's they like their Z's it's going to be an even more extreme version of ZR1 so okay so Force induction ZO6 Motor
01:18:09
Plus hybrid Jesus yeah it's going to be scary so in order to compete this is
01:18:15
also the other thing is I'm sure Porsche feels some level of competition from
01:18:20
other cars coming out in their price brackets and so yeah if you're going to try to be you know competitive
01:18:27
speed-wise it feels like you have to Electrify your your lineup at some point and the purists at the very pure purest
01:18:34
end of it are like no no electricity no hybrid system we need it to be naturally aspirated Etc but uh I think the hybrid
01:18:41
is a good move for these cars it's just a matter of like keeping it 911 yeah I
01:18:46
think if we've learned anything this week it's that or last week it's that EVS could be pretty good well pretty fun
01:18:54
I think by the time this pod comes out that video is out yep do you want to talk about your experience with that
01:19:01
car is it the be okay so Miles and I both test drive a lot of the cars that you see us review on autofocus and so as
01:19:08
a result we've both driven a lot of different cars and shared notes on them
01:19:14
and this last car that we reviewed which is called the Lucid air Sapphire I think is the best driving
01:19:21
electric car ever made and maybe the best best driving sedan ever made it's
01:19:28
amazing hot take and that's a that's a hot take because when I say best driving Eevee ever made I'm including all EVS
01:19:33
I'm including the rimac Nea I'm including the tyan turbo I'm including all EVS I've ever driven and the Lucid
01:19:40
air Sapphire I think tops that list it's incredible at disguising it's incredible
01:19:45
weight it's really good and then on top of that best driving sedan ever I don't I haven't driven as many sedans I'll be
01:19:51
honest there's a lot of gas sedans I've never driven but damn it would be really impressive if another gas sedan could
01:19:57
match 1100 daily horsepower and like the level of traction control and handling
01:20:03
and suspension that that car has I thought it was one of the best cars ever so the story with that car is lucid did
01:20:11
two long-term rentals of what most like enthusiasts would consider to be the
01:20:16
best driving sedans ever made prior to the sapphire and that was the BMW m5cs
01:20:22
and the Cadillac ct5v Blackwing both of which I've driven and you know I'm definitely like
01:20:30
an ice guy I think the sapphire like out class blood it's it's honestly no
01:20:37
contest I mean if you like noises then I mean yeah obviously there's no
01:20:43
replacement for that but you could just kind of think of like the noises you make when you're accelerating to kind of
01:20:48
like you're holding a breath yeah because it's it's honestly incredible and it's not necessarily the fact that
01:20:54
it's so freaking fast because if you want to go just a smidget faster you could spend like $2.5 million extra
01:21:01
dollars and get a AA but it's the fact that you've got a front a trunk a super
01:21:08
spacious back seat super spacious over 400 m of range MH honestly like a usable
01:21:15
actually daily drivable car so like the new tyan turbo GT y sock that could be a
01:21:24
better dri driving car I guess we're going to find out like months but but no
01:21:29
back seat no back seats it's like that's not a Tien crazy anymore you know it's it's honestly kind of a silly car to be
01:21:36
honest that you can't really recommend to a normal person whereas this if you're rich you can recommend this to a
01:21:43
normal person you just want to go fast how much does this car cost 250 the sapphire yeah but I mean but for
01:21:51
the but but for the best driving car ever made and I mean you're gonna at a
01:21:58
stoplight you will nothing will beat you nothing like it's nuts you're smoking Bugattis off the line smoking every
01:22:05
Porsche every every what I was going to say like a a Tesla app plaid just gets
01:22:10
just walked by this like everything in a straight line when did you drive this Alis I haven't gotten to drive I haven't
01:22:16
gotten to drive it but I've driven with miles it and what's so crazy is that you can do all that and the last time miles
01:22:22
picked me up in it we had it was we fit so many musical instruments in there like it's actually
01:22:28
so we had a xylophone we had two saxophones we had a flute we had all of our backpacks nice and it was there was
01:22:35
still plenty of room in the car interesting yeah front trunk I will say I also think it looks very very nice
01:22:41
really yeah I really like the way that car looks yeah the lucid's kind of interesting to me it's got a good look
01:22:47
in that spec I've seen some ugly
01:22:55
Lucid I'm not with you yeah I think the the two-tone Lucid are not really my
01:23:00
thing same this one is like the this is the stealthiest most uh aggressive
01:23:06
looking a beautiful color it's it's got that carbon spoiler and everything no sky sky ceiling carbon roof instead yeah
01:23:14
yeah lame the thing is that surprised me is just how many looks it got from just like non-car people really like there's
01:23:21
a there's a school right by where I live and so I was getting home right as the school was letting out and all these
01:23:27
little kids were just like peeping the loose at I'm just like it's cool hey yo
01:23:33
like I did not realize it had that kind of like a presence yeah but I mean they all do now you know also kind of looks
01:23:39
like it's probably does not look like a Cadillac or anything but it looks like a
01:23:44
fancy car that's being stealthy and I look at fancy cars that are being
01:23:50
stealthy it has big Cadillac energy for sure it does it okay good I don't really know anything about cars it's a big car
01:23:56
yeah yeah yeah I can see that just more like the this the like you know casualness and the fanciness here's my
01:24:03
hot take for the episode because I know people like my car takes on the Pod the the sapphire has better
01:24:10
suspension than the 911 better daily aable suspension than
01:24:16
the 911 in that it is more compliant and I I wish I could control it more like pasm lets me switch between the most
01:24:23
sporty and like a little softer but I I when I was driving the Lucid I was like I can't believe this car weighs 5,000 lb
01:24:29
like it it's got this firm and confident but very compliant suspension that was
01:24:36
amazing on New Jersey roads with potholes and like Expansion Joints and all kinds of weird stuff I was like that
01:24:42
this is a great suspension I don't I don't think that's a hot take I think 911s have always just used more
01:24:48
simplistic sporty driving focused suspension systems mhm whereas like the
01:24:55
Lucid is a bit more complex but still very good for not being air suspension
01:25:00
like it's using steel Springs which is so crazy pretty wild to me and like I feel like if you put someone like jonno
01:25:07
in the car who drives like a plat or Model S with air suspension he probably wouldn't know honestly yeah how is lucid
01:25:14
doing as a company is that bad well here's the thing I think what's so great about this
01:25:22
car is they've clearly spent a lot of engineering time and money to make this car incredibly efficient and really
01:25:28
really good mhm and Lucid does not make money as a company right but they're also backed by a basically infinite
01:25:37
wallet of the Saudi Investment fund and so it kind of doesn't feel like it matters yet interesting I don't know
01:25:44
that they have any sort of pressure or ticking Time Bomb behind that but it's like they just keep losing money and
01:25:52
keep making very highly engineered cars M and I guess that's fine for now I I
01:25:58
think so I mean I whether they're going to be around forever is like because this is the same question I have like
01:26:04
every six months with McLaren which is also literally 100% backed by the Yeah
01:26:10
you know by the like some like Saudi like Financial Group oh I want them to stick around but at
01:26:18
the same time I think about like how cheap a sapphire would be if this
01:26:23
company know longer after market support if they had some sort of pressure to sell cars more
01:26:30
then it wouldn't be 250 Grand but I don't think my take is that I don't think if you're a car journalist if
01:26:36
there are any car journalists watching this you should not be allowed to own this car and you should not own this
01:26:42
car firstly it is incredibly easy to put yourself in a go to jail
01:26:48
situation Fair don't ask me how I know that
01:26:53
secondly secondly I feel like it just establishes like a precedent of
01:26:59
like what speed and capability in a car supposed to be that is just beyond what
01:27:04
is it ruins you beyond the norm for like even super cars where it's just like I
01:27:11
feel like if I were to drive this car for a month straight and nothing else the second I get into literally anything
01:27:16
else I'm just going to be like yeah I talked about that with plaid like and plaid was not as fast as this but I feel
01:27:22
like that ruined a lot of car for me I told you about the NSX we had the NSX Type S here for a couple weeks maybe a
01:27:29
week or two and that's a fast car like that's a really incredible car and I remember getting into it after like a
01:27:36
year of owning plaid and thinking oh man this car is really nice it's too bad it really lacks top end like it's not that
01:27:42
fast and then I watched I read some other reviews of it and they're like this is a ballistic fast car with an
01:27:47
incredible like this is the best performing NSX ever and I was like oh I've I've been ruined expectations been
01:27:55
ruined by it the thing that's different for me like I haven't driven The Plaid a
01:28:01
lot I've driven like yours like around back like once I've been in Brandon's a
01:28:06
bunch of times it doesn't it's incredibly fast but it doesn't drive
01:28:13
like a lot of my favorite sports cars drive and so that's what I feel like is the differentiator the fact that it just
01:28:19
is such a good driving car overall the steering is incredible mhm the handling
01:28:24
is incredible like it's incredibly like capable there is a video on YouTube of somebody doing taking a test drive and
01:28:31
he's driving around in Sapphire mode and he has a lucid representative in like the front seat and he's like he gives it
01:28:37
I think it's miles per hour maybe he did this video he gives it a few like obviously like pulls and it's like this
01:28:42
car is insane and then they get up to like a stoplight and the guy they get they get to the front of the red light
01:28:48
and the guy's like you're taking this left right here start turning left floor it midt turn
01:28:54
and he's like okay and then he does and the car just carves out of the turn like
01:29:00
as if he's stuck to the it's on Rails or something it's crazy so the traction control is unbelievable in that car and
01:29:08
yeah it drives like a dream it's great can I say one thing about the Lucid yeah I want them to take all of these things
01:29:14
that you love mhm take out like 2third of the speed and then make a mybach
01:29:20
competitor with the platform cuz I love being in ins that thing so much and if
01:29:25
they made like an ultra comfy like you don't need to go fast the suspension's really great version of it yeah but
01:29:31
that's just like the G the other airs are in that vein no but I mean like like
01:29:38
super luy interior like I want like only four seats get rid of that middle back
01:29:43
seat you know I want I want what did our mybot come with the champagne flutes you know funny in the fridge when I first
01:29:49
tested the Lucid before they started shipping any airs I sat in an executive option back seat that's exactly what
01:29:55
you're describing damn but they I don't think they ever ship that or maybe it's like super late and they might ship it later I want the the Toyota Century of
01:30:04
of lucid of lucid I've I've been loving these like NBA analogies where people are like wem is the Michael Jordan of
01:30:12
bull balls wait wait yes yes you think about it though think about it wemi is the
01:30:19
Michael Jordan of bull bulls and I think the Lucid air Sapphire Tim Duncan disrespect but okay continue this is
01:30:28
allarg the Lucid air Sapphire is the rimac Nea of Model S
01:30:36
plaids or it's the tyan of or it's the 911 of
01:30:41
plats something like that I'll I'll work on that one but it's up there I think the Lucid air
01:30:50
is the sappire
01:30:58
is the yes of yes there it is you heard or he first we don't have anything bad
01:31:03
to say about this car other than the keyop and it doesn't come in brown it doesn't come in brown I think that's
01:31:09
yeah Sapphire literally only comes in Sapphire but I think that's it that's really all we want to talk about the new Porsche the hybrid and then our recent
01:31:15
car experiences go subscribe to the autofocus Channel if you haven't already we've been all over the map all kinds of
01:31:21
fun cars over there and if you want more thoughts on auto that's where we focused on it and with
01:31:26
the power of editing I will now be replaced with Andrew manganelli whoa Jesus crazy out of the
01:31:34
ceiling I don't know where I came oh well you're you're back just in time for trivia oh great I can get all of them
01:31:40
wrong oh wait that was not the that was not the call was it no that's perfect no was perfect yeah trivia you just have to
01:31:46
say the word trivia trivia someone have a whiteboard there wasn't one there's two here oh nice
01:31:52
thanks all right do you want a pen yes every quick update on the score trivas
01:31:59
Marquez with nine Andrew with eight David with nine going a fake eraser
01:32:05
blowing this lead blowing it Andrew all right first question car the one how much
01:32:11
RAM Spotify car thing come with how much protein is this closest do we think it
01:32:17
has more or less than the Humane eye pin I think it has more protein we think it has any at all oh sure yeah we'll do
01:32:26
whoever's closest the
01:32:33
Delta Google aloe Google Plus rip that was just off
01:32:41
top of my head all right flip them and read what you got oh oh oh I said four gigs of RAM
01:32:51
four gigs feeling juicy it's probably not nope we both said we both said one
01:32:58
one gig one gigabyte do you want to give a more specific answer I will allow this
01:33:04
wait uh 1,24 megabytes 1,24 that is a gigabyte I know I don't know why are you
01:33:12
allowing those why don't we just because he basically just said one so what do you think I also said one okay so do you
01:33:17
want to change your answer wait we can change your answer no but you'll see I'll change my answer right now I feel
01:33:23
like you're trying to do a tie yeah exactly I'm trying to do a tiebreaker how about one of us goes less
01:33:29
than one one of us goes over one okay what do you want 1 point2 I'll go under
01:33:34
so 1.2 yeah and what' you say Andrew the closest number to under that you say
01:33:40
over and I say under I'm over he's under all right let's do it I'm so confused I'm saying it hased gig and he saying it
01:33:47
has less than one gig you started this you saying less than one gig got it Andrew gets the point let's go
01:33:54
wow disgusting the answer is around 500 megabytes are you God freaking kidding
01:34:00
me dang whatever all right question two okay Porsche Design Studio makes some
01:34:06
really beautiful stuff and also some really weird stuff and so I've collected
01:34:13
three of the weirdest things I could find and one thing that I made up and
01:34:19
I'm going to show them to you and then you must tell me which one is fake this is
01:34:24
great let's figure out how to do this that means you created one of these did Tim or an AI cre hey man I don't tell
01:34:32
you to do your job number one the Porsche kitchen this
01:34:37
Ultra modern kitchen pulls from familiar Porsche materials like aluminum for its
01:34:43
frame and new materials for its surfaces like frosted glass countertops and a raw
01:34:49
wood paneling that weirdly looks like it could be real looks the most St kitchen zero character ever
01:34:58
oh oh number two is the Porsche impact driver Porsche worked with a local tool
01:35:06
manufacturer to develop an impact driver with comfort in mind the vertical aluminum handle here with a carbon fiber
01:35:13
back yield an incredibly balanced impact driver that's insane yeah it's
01:35:20
funny number three the Porsche Hospital the Porsche Design hospital bed is a
01:35:26
more modern addition to their design portfolio emphasizing Chrome fittings and clear lines the height ratio between
01:35:32
the headboard and footboard is a nod to the profile of their classic Fastback
01:35:38
design and number wait wait wait you know how they charge you like $8,000 a
01:35:43
night to stay in the hosital this why CU I have the and number four oh my God this is
01:35:49
the Porsche smoking pipe it might look like a normal pipe Until you realize Until you realize that the bowl has a
01:35:57
heat sink that's right those are radiator fins there's no liquid but the fins do supposedly keep the bowl at a
01:36:03
lower temperature leading for a more pleasurable smoke God this is tough what
01:36:09
in the world this is tough I feel like Google code
01:36:15
competitions it can't be Google could be what was what was the second one was
01:36:21
what was b b was the driver it was a kitchen impact driver
01:36:27
hospital and I don't know man the hospital bed is freaking so funny this is this is brutal
01:36:35
okay what do you guys have I went with the kitchen you think the kitchen is fake
01:36:40
correct the kitchen is real that is a real image Andrew you put impct the impact driver is real too that is a real
01:36:47
photograph why do they have a drill bit in an impact driver uh excuse me I I think I wrote impact driver but it's
01:36:53
actually a hammering drill that changes how that's why I a hammering drill they're the same thing I feel like you
01:37:00
usually don't use a drill bit on impact driver now oh I also put the kitchen kitchen do you not I believe that's why
01:37:07
you like drill is hospital bed what do you put on your impact driver maybe I'm sounding like an idiot here but no I'm worried I'm sounding like an idiot now I
01:37:13
thought an impact driver was a traditional drill that has a hammer motor built yeah I know but I don't
01:37:19
think you would normally drill holes with it because of the fact that it's not doing it you drill holes in really
01:37:24
hard stuff maybe I'm wrong I mean I know you can put it in but if you are a
01:37:29
contractor hold on here's a and you know how to correct use an impact driver I've used impact driver for many times for
01:37:35
drilling holes most of the time for fence workor but recently many people say not to use an impact driver for D driving holes oh says it's not called
01:37:43
impct rated bits they're rated bits specifically for a purpose and it could
01:37:48
break the bits so I saw that and thought Oh that must be fake you just threw a por design logo on it and no I wish I
01:37:55
was that good at Photoshop I probably could that seems like an easy one was it the hospital bed oh yeah the hospital it
01:38:01
looks so AI created Marquez is tied with David in first place with nine points
01:38:08
but don't be worried because Andrew is hot on their tails wait shouldn't I have nine points also yeah Andrew got the
01:38:14
second one right I got the first one right the first one and he's also tied with he's also tied with those other
01:38:21
guys dang we're not we're we're very deep into this season
01:38:26
for a tie game this is cool this is cool you're all going to get 40 something points in the next trivia Extravaganza
01:38:32
nothing none of it matters but it is neat that's pretty exciting the last trivia was decided by one point that's
01:38:39
true that's so true the one well this has been a fun off-the-wall episode obviously if you enjoyed it feel free to
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