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Yo, you're not gonna believe this. We were just like hanging out here doing a podcast all just walked in and some guy
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just appeared and I feel like I feel like Oh, look who Marquez. Not at all. Pull up a pull up a chair.
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Go for it. What is up, people of the internet? This Nope. I already up. I don't have the sauce. What is up, people
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of the internet? Welcome to another episode, another bonus episode of the Ellis Form Andrew cast. Marquez and
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David are not here. They are inside Apple Park at the event, but we who were not given passes are at the visitor
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center. Outside the visitor visitor center. We just finished watching the new September
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9th odd event in our hotel room and we skirted here to do a cool little outdoor podcast where we could uh see what the good journalists of Certino think about
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all this new Apple stuff or just random people of random people walking by who want to
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jump into the very first waveform man on the street. This will be fun because just like our first live event ever, uh
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we don't know if anyone will actually stop by and say anything to us. It could just be us for the next We told no one we were going to do this.
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So, we are just sitting here hoping we catch a few eyes of people that we know or maybe someone who knows the podcast.
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We also don't know if we're going to get kicked out. Yeah, we don't know anything. So, every minute of this episode is boiling with tension.
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We don't even know if it's not going to rain. It did drizzle before, which would be a big damper.
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Not ideal, but yeah. Dude, look, that guy is orange on. He's He's dressed like the iPhone. Eat it up.
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That's hilarious. That's awesome. Yo, do you wanna Do you want to come on? Yeah. Do you want to be on the podcast?
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Perfect. Yeah, that would be awesome, dude. Please. What's up? Just hold that. And we have a couple questions. If you don't Did you watch
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the event today? Yeah, I saw it. You saw the event? Cool. Um, all right. Welcome first guest. This is awesome.
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This took like one minute and we thought we were going to sit here for like half an hour with no one. Um, what's your name? Thank you.
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Uh, I'm Kavy. Kavi. Nice to meet you. Yeah. Do you work around here or you're just around here? Uh, I go to San Jose State.
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San Jose State. Awesome. Sweet. What are you studying? Uh, aviation. Aviation. Sweet. That's awesome. Very cool.
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Cool. So, you watched the event, right? Yeah, I saw it. You did. Was there anything that stood
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out to you that was like you're super excited to maybe grab or? Uh, I'm just going to get the new AirPods cuz I lost my previous ones in
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Santa Cruz like 6 months ago. That's It felt like a good upgrade for what it was. Ellis is obviously the
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audio person, but uh yeah, I'm excited. I think the foam in the tips is going to be cool. I think so, too. I think that's going to make a big
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difference. I don't know what what is it. Just literally you want new AirPods and these are I mean, I probably wouldn't upgrade if I
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still had the previous ones, but I just lost those. So, are you Do you see yourself using the
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heart the heart rate feature? I mean, I have this watch. So, that's a really good Yeah, it felt like something that like for people who don't
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use a watch, but then they immediately are trying to sell you the watch. If anything, I feel like if there's an option, I'd turn it off just to save
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battery. For sure. That's fair. I feel like that's what half the features in most of these events are, like battery killers.
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Yeah, actually. All right, but the uh I think it's we got to talk about the real the real meat of this show.
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Yeah. Um which is the iPhone Air in my opinion. Mhm. Do you What phone are you using
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right now? Oh, yeah. We should start there. I have a 16 Pro. 16 Pro. And you're not interested in upgrading based on anything that
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happened. Was there anything that What do you think about the new design? The new design language?
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I think it's funny that they're going back to aluminum. Okay. Yeah. Right. Yeah. What do you think about the like the big plateau that they
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called it or kind of the like matte finish back? Like it, dislike it. I like it. I mean, I don't have much of
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an opinion on it, honestly. That's fair. That's a lot of tech journalists will try and find an opinion. We'll have to find an opinion
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or else no one will listen to us and then But uh I think I like the new plateau. I think I'm pro I think I'm proto plat plat pro
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plat pro max. I think I'm into it. I like it. I think the or what about the orange color? I don't like the orange.
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You don't like the orange? What do you If I were to get it, I'd get like the white or silver one. White or silver? Are you just not an
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orange fan or you just don't think they did a good job on the orange? Uh, I don't know. I think it just looks
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kind of strange to me. Okay. Well, that's totally fair. I think I think people will either love it or
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stay as far away from it as possible. I like it cuz you know, Adam and I are really into dive watches
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and it's like the exact orange that a lot of dive watches have some of their like pieces in. Okay. And so I was like,
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"Ah, this is but that's that's kind of that's kind of the only thing that really draws me to that uh that phone." I don't know.
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All right. Have you always been an iPhone user? Uh, no. I was on Google Pixels until the 14.
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Okay. So, I was going to ask you because I feel like a lot of people are going to see are going to be lifelong iPhone users. So, if you were to switch back to
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an Android right now, what would you switch to? Uh, probably not. Just all my friends. Good answer.
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Well, I mean, main reason I switch is iMessage. You know, my friends use it. Everyone uses it. Yep. And honestly,
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like I'm into tech, but this is just simple. Like in high school, they take away our phones and like put it in the phone cubbies, but we can use like the phone mirroring on the Mac. So, are you
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serious? So, we all just use that. That's the craziest. I have to tell Marquez that cuz last
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episode he was talking about like people having burner phones, but it sounds like you guys found a way cheaper, easier way of doing it. Anyways,
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of of course we are like not as smart as high schoolers. Like that is always how it goes. That's insane. The screen view
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mirroring. Funny. They have to put them in like Faraday cages or something. Stop that. Like
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that's really funny. Thanks for stopping by. Um, we'll let you go. Are you just hanging out around here or
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Yeah, I'm just hanging out. Got out of class and thought I'd show up. Awesome. Cool. Sweet. Sweet. Yeah. Thanks so much for joining.
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Yeah. Let me grab this and let me shake your hand. Thanks for stopping by. Yeah, of course. You were our very first guest.
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I appreciate it. Yeah. Thank you so much. We're back. What's up, Ellis? You know
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who I am. And today, right now, back here at this moment, we are here with Chris Nichols. And I do know who you are
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now, Ellis. Yeah. Finally meet you. And Andrew, it's great to meet you. Yeah. You work at For
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Pedixel. Sweet. I love Pedapixel. I appreciate that. I appreciate that. I hear good things about you guys. Of course, Dave Al, he's been on our podcast. We've been with him. Look who arrived.
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David. David. It's good to know he's talking good about us and not trash about us when we're not around. You said I've heard
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I don't know. We've heard lots of other things. Yeah. My personal experience we shouldn't get into right now in this recording. Don't worry about it. But since you work at Panapixel, you are
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the perfect person to ask about this new selfie camera, right? Which I was like in the hotel room when
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we were watching, I was like, "That's dope." And these two boys were like, "Pixel already had that." Yeah. Like straight up. So,
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as a photographer, the only thing that really appeals to me is the new 4x lens, you know, like cool, bigger sensor,
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great, but video feature- wise, I think there's some cool stuff here. So, selfie cam, the fact that it's shooting square
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format. Yeah. But actually not giving you square photos. That's so I'm I'm mad. But
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for me, I wouldn't use this feature, but I could see so many creators using this selfie camera where you have this sort of open gate kind of thing. It can do
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vertical orientation, a horizontal orientation, and you can keep the phone vertical the whole time. Reframe on your
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face, follow as you move around. If somebody else comes in the frame, it widens for them. Like, that's neat.
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I'm really What's cool about that? So, Pixel did do the like widening, but the like center stage aspect of it to be able to like
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crop in on you better. Will be super beneficial for people who are terrible at framing, Tik Tok and stuff. They're going to love
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this. And the stabilization like when he was running looked, really good. And iPhone stabilization is
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fantastic. So, I'm excited because as someone with long arms who sort of built like a stick
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figure, I'm always the person who's like, "Ellis, will you hold the phone for the selfie?" No more, baby.
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Jeez. Yeah, I know. I think that's it's a really smart feature, like anything to make it more convenient. But for those
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of us that are maybe a bit more advanced, want to do some other stuff, the other thing that really intrigued me is that you can record ProRes RAW and uh
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and external, but you can record ProRes RAW and that does proper open gate. So, as far as all the gates are open, the iPhone 17 Pro is just opening all the gates all over the place.
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That is really, really exciting. I mean, you know, it's really funny. I I just watched this YouTube video of this dude.
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Was it Pedapixel? No, but it was someone comparing all the different international versions of um
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the first Harry Potter movie, which they also shot. Uh it's film, so it's open mat, right? But um would they
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I had no idea they did that specifically so that when they printed a VHS copy in 4x3 they didn't have to crop the
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widescreen. They could just extend the uh the top and you you'd have like a a more vertical frame.
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And uh I wonder if we're about to see 4x3 video come back and we can cut it. It's a cool but I want it to. It's a cool option to have whether you're advanced or beginner on this phone system. Yeah, for sure.
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What phone do you have right now? iPhone 16 Pro Max. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And has it ever overheated on you?
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So, that's an interesting thing. Um, not for me, but I mean, I'm primarily shooting photos with it, right? I'm not
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doing a lot of video other than family stuff, but I know Jordan, my compatriate on Pedapixel, and Tyler Stallman, was
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just on the podcast here at Apple Park with us. Uh, they've both had issues like that. Screen dimming, like really
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brutal stuff. So, yeah, we've heard a lot of screen dimming. Is this going to be better? They say yes. New vapor chamber, all aluminum
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unibody construction's new. So, yeah, I mean, it promises good things. The processor is hopefully less energy
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dependent as well. That's one thing we're hoping about. We keep saying how we wish we could have just shot this on an iPhone, but like it
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would cook out here and definitely overheat and we would lose it. But and uh we shoot a lot of car stuff for
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autofocus on an iPhone that overheats all the time. It didn't feel like they didn't say anything in the event about the vapor
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chamber helping. I guess they probably don't want to they went more into what a vapor chamber is
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this year, I think. But, you know, I mean, I love Apple. It's like every single year it's just everything's two times better, right? So
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here's a graph. Yeah. Two time 2x. 2x. So yes, I'm I'm Let's just assume it's two times better.
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I don't know if that's true or not. What you were saying earlier is that Apple did not want to admit that their prior ProRes like ultra high.
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And uh it is interesting and telling that they went back to an aluminum body as opposed to titanium. So that might be part of it
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too, just to give more metal to absorb heat and transfer it out. I wonder I also wonder if now that they're doing
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the unibody construction if it's just easier to work with aluminum like that than it is tight. I know nothing about any of that. Lots
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lots of questions, lots of lots of stuff to answer. Yeah. Why are they inviting like alchemists and metallergists to uh to
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this so we can interview them CNC guys? I don't know what that's weird. Yeah, man. Okay, before we let you go, uh, you
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know, to whatever briefings, whatever you have to do here, uh, Marquez actually just messaged me on, uh, Slack
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asking how the pod is going or how the pod went. So, as someone who's been here for 3
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minutes. Yes. How do you think it's going? Like just you, you and I. You're part of this. You're part of this, man.
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This is the first time we've ever tried something like this. I think it's going great. I mean, I don't know. Like, it took a couple. You're carrying it pretty hard, but
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I wanted you to say it to say it, but yes. It's been super fun and you guys always really do good stuff. So, I appreciate
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it. I appreciate you having me on here. Yeah. Thank you, dude. Thank you so much for being here. No problem for joining us.
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Yeah. Where can we find your your work? Well, pedapixel.com. I mean, that's that's the best place. And then on
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YouTube, I mean, Pedapixel, hopefully you recognize my face. You know, you know already that we're all waveform people will.
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And of course, our video is going to be up here shortly. So, so have a look out for that. Our this will not. So,
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this will be way too late. It's pretty cool that an event is big enough that people are just like outside wandering around. They're probably still in briefings. Honestly, they're probably Well, hands-on is
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probably ending around now and then briefings are going to start. So, it's like for those of you who aren't aware, like we're outside of the cafe, which is kind
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of sectioned off during these events for journalists. That's where all the journalists are because they can
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No, but they can see us from here. So, hopefully someone will notice. I can see them too and I don't see too many people
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that I notice yet. But so what's happening most sorry what's happening most likely right now
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is you get a three or four briefings throughout the day the hands-on experience is probably ending it's
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probably a 10ish minute walk and then like some people will start their briefings some people come back here
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grab a bite to eat that's hopefully when we catch them can can we do like for people who maybe
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are new to the the channel new to tech like how this day how iPhone day actually works like like chronologically
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I can do like the Quickest rundown possible. Yeah. Yeah. We obviously come out here, Apple Park.
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I think what's interesting about this is we are at the cafe, which is still public cuz it's a public store, but they
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section off that one. Anyway, you get dropped off at the visitors center. If you have a badge, you go through right
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across the street is one of the uh entrances. And there, depending on if you're at Dubdub or the iPhone event,
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you go to Steve Jobs Theater or wherever the temporary stage is, and then walk up there a little early at
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around 10:00, you go into the event, goes on for whatever and it's like it's like a big open
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auditorium like with nothing in there. And so what happens is you go you walk downstairs then into the theater and by the time
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you leave the theater, all of the new products are set up. And that's when you have your chance for like uh to see and
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shoot a bunch of not even hands-on. It's like uh it's it's cuz you basically can't get a hands on cuz there's too many people. It's like fighting for your lives. This is the first time you see the actual products with your eyes.
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So they'll see that and then that will wrap up in an hour, an hour and a half and then you get your briefings. One of
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those briefings for some people is a more private hands-on in the same spot, which is where we get most of our good
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hands-on stuff for impressions. And when do you say briefings? What what do you mean exactly? It's time slots where people from the
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Apple team can explain different features or products better so that people who are reviewing things have a
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better idea of what what things are for their videos that they'll make. And people are already going to start
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crunching right now. Like everybody who is at that event is now in a time where they can release footage from this
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event. and talk about it. So, like some people are probably going to start shooting next to us. Some people are going to start writing like Marquez and
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he'll shoot a roll after all his briefings tonight. Um, but that's kind of what today is. And then some people might even have
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some briefings tomorrow. But, um, and you and I have had a lot of silly moments in and around this place over
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the years at this point. This might be one of the silliest sitting out here with a podcast mic on.
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It might be. I've already watched two people say no to Eric when he invited them on. So, that one hurt a little bit,
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but we're not here, dude. It to be There'd be a line out the door. No, I still think we're a little early
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still. I'm actually pumped. We already got those two people. Yeah, me too. Um or two groups.
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Yeah, we weren't even expecting to be recording the real podcast episode already. We were like, "Let's do an
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intro." And then people just are like, "Hey." Yeah. Trying to think of some some fun stories about us. Most of our stories involve food.
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Alice and I like to absolutely destroy diets. Yeah. So far today, I have It is uh
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12:43 p.m. I have had a hot dog. I've had crab. I've had curry and all of them in a pastry. Yeah. And my my stomach is uh if anyone's ever played like any of the
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Wario wear games, it's that's that's like sort of the vibe in there right now. That's pretty awesome. walker story. Oh, we were talking to Eric. So, so Eric is working on a super secret project
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right now. I can't talk about it at the moment, but it involves going he's telling me I can, but I won't. But he's he's going through
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a bunch of old footage and in it he found this really touching moment between Adam and I where
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Andrew and I me he found this really touching moment between Andrew and I where it was after
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a super crazy shoot day. I think we taped the podcast. Yeah. And uh well, you see David,
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he's right there. That's what I said. There's David. David's getting coffee. Completely ignoring us. What did you Wow. It was it was after all day of shooting
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normal stuff and then the next day of briefings and stuff and then we had the podcast episode we recorded pretty late
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in the day. It was one of those work shoots where like we were just cooked and exhausted afterwards. But after we finished our
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last taping, they were driving us on golf carts back to the entrance. And it was just one of those, you know, it's like it's a beautiful California night
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in September. The temperature is perfect. The stars are out not really out in California. And uh we're driving
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through this golf cart through beautiful Apple Park and the guy's whizzing and Adam or Wow. Second time
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and Andrew and I just had this rentree. I guess now we have to leave that in. Andrew and I just had this moment where I was like, "Dude, our lives, we're so lucky, man. Like this is so cool." And
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uh and we recorded this like sweet outro for the travel vlog video we were doing
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to the point where like the the golf cart's zipping down. We're like making jokes with the driver who was awesome.
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We're like this was our event blah blah and we're just like we pause the camera like we nailed that. That was like
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perfect. This video is going to absolute prime. And then we get back to the hotel and
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listen to it and it's just the wind. Did you forget to turn on the mic or it was just too No, the mic was the mic was on and there was a wind screen but it was just so
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windy that it was just like and it was like those golf carts are like you're facing backwards out the
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back so there's almost no coverage to like protect from the wind. Oh my god, that's so funny.
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Yeah, I really wish we had that cuz it was probably it would have been one of the best scenes in the studio.
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Yeah, it was it was a touching moment. It was it was it was one of those things where it was like we nailed everything. We nailed the
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take. We nailed the shot. We nailed the story and then just like wow things happen. Uh tough.
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Welcome to the Waveform podcast. Thank you for having We're back. Can you please give everyone your name? Yeah, I'm Martin.
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Martin. Nice to meet you. Now, before we talk Apple, you're wearing a bunch of Nike tennis stuff and we have to ask,
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sinner or Alcarz? Oo, that's a good question. Mhm. Honestly, I'm still with the big three. The joke on Nadal, and Roger.
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I love that answer. Rather than Alar as a sinner. Yeah, I I'm a big sinner person.
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Uh I have so much fun watching him play tennis. I think the only other person that would have an opinion
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is that the one with Michael B. Jordan. All right, never mind. So, did you watch the event? The iPhone event?
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The iPhone? I watched part of it. Okay. I was driving. While watching, actually. Driving while listening. While
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listening. Yeah, while listening. What part did you catch? Um, I watched the iPhone Air.
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Okay. Yeah, that parts and and a little bit of the Pro one. I'm pretty stoked on the iPhone Air. I'm
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actually I think this is this is what we were able to talk about because there have been a surprising lack of iPhone
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air conversation so far out here. There will be plenty of it. Yeah. From here's here's my first question.
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At any point in your life what phone do you have right now? 14 Pro. Okay. Sweet. So at any point in your
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life, have you ever looked at your 14 Pro and thought, "Man, I wish this was thinner." Honestly, no.
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Right. Okay. That seems Do you do you use a case on your phone? Yeah. I still think which kind of takes
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away from the beauty of all these thin phones is the biggest benefit of it is being able to put a case on and feeling
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thin. Like it's going to hopefully feel like a regular phone with no case. And now that's good enough for you to
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potentially have a way worse battery life. Well, they special cases that were super
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thin. Yeah, but then is that really protecting your phone? I was skeptical about that.
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Oh, they do they're doing the bumper for the iPhone Air this time. the bumper the bumper case where it's just a case
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around the outside of the phone. Oh my god. But the chrome rails are like my favorite part of that design. And that's
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cool. If you want to scratch the hell out of your chrome rails, then don't wear it. I will. I will happily. I don't know.
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See, I that's the thing is like the iPhone Air feels like something nobody asked for and yet I want it so bad.
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I'm thinking the same thing. I was thinking of upgrading and then I I saw the renders and everything
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and I was thinking like, oh, maybe it could look good. I don't know. But then I saw it now in the event and I was
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like, "Oh, I kind of like one." Do they have a thing with making stuff look really good on screen?
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I know. So, what do you think of the new design language of the pros with the like big plateau and the kind of like matte
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finish two-tone on the back? Uh, it's it's kind of cool. I thought they will do more like the plateau,
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but honestly, I'm not a big fan of the orange. No. Okay. Not a big fan of the orange.
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That's fine. That's fine. We are. We were crushing. Two of us are. No. A lot of our team is not a fan of the orange, it feels like,
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but Ellis and I are team orange. Yeah, we're both team orange. I really like the the vap vapor chamber.
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Yes. Do you have anything specific you're excited to use it for or uh just overall efficiency
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overall? Because I I take videos and photographs and a lot of times the screen dims
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and that's the part I don't like. That's actually a really interesting part. It's annoying. our our guy at the
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studio who films a lot of our car stuff. I think he's excited for it because how often they're shooting on iPhone on
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video and it's overheating. So, like if that's actually it sounds like between the vapor chamber and like the full One
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Piece body that's supposed to help dissipate heat, hopefully it won't overheat as much.
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We would probably be shooting on iPhone right now if we didn't think it would cook and overheat. I've been making fun of the vapor
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chamber like I'm like who who really games on their iPhone? forgetting that we had an entire meeting because we
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couldn't shoot this this exact podcast on iPhone cuz we were worried it would overheat. Oh well.
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So w want I guess Ellis LS0 LS2. Okay. I think it's cooler than we thought. I don't know if it was cool enough for the Apple invite thing like it the invite
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tease always is supposed to be this huge thing and I think vapor chamber is like yeah okay. Exactly. I still can't believe that I've
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been talking all week about how an iPhone would overheat and then I was like, "But the vapor chamber's stupid." I I actually don't know where the disc
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Thank you for bringing him to his senses on someone. Yeah, Martin really is up a notch everywhere. I got you. I got you. Oh my god. Um, are you a professional
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videographer, photographer? Is that just your hobby? No, I just I just like to take videos
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and pictures of a lot of things that I do. Like in in tennis, I used to take a lot of videos of myself playing against
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uh my teammates in college and like the phone was like heating like crazy every time. And like you need to put it uh like on the fence so it stays there and
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you have a better angle. And when you try to look at the screen, you cannot see anything. you can because
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we played throughout the day like right I was at Fresno Pacific and uh it was like well and in Celsius it's like 40° over there so it's pretty pretty hot so the the
00:23:16
screen is just black and I cannot see anything. Wow. This is like the best baking in the sun. Yeah,
00:23:22
this is the best real world use case I've heard for this thing all this whole time. Huh? By the way, 40° C is 104.
00:23:29
Thank you. Jeez. No, no, no worries. That's our fault. Like the heat radiating off with like no
00:23:36
shade or anything would be even crazier. Um Martin, have you ever had an Android
00:23:41
phone? I have. And the Samsung S8. S8. I think S8 was like peak Samsung. I Yeah. If you had to go back right now,
00:23:52
what would you go to? If I will go back, it would be the the Fold. The Samsung Fold. Yeah. But yeah, it's expensive. This is so interesting. Everyone
00:24:03
Everyone who's an iPhone user, we've asked when we say if you go to an Android phone, they all want the fold.
00:24:09
They all want a folding phone, which when Apple does one, is it going to actually go crazy?
00:24:14
It's going to go I I don't want to hype it up too much, but I just feel like there,
00:24:19
yes, there's so many people I feel like there's you're doing great, sweetie. There's there's two different kinds of
00:24:25
iPad users, right? There's people who buy iPads because they want to sit on their couch and watch a movie. And
00:24:30
there's people that buy iPads because they have some idea of some really like practical thing they could do with it,
00:24:37
right? Like flying a plane. And Sure. Exactly. And I think I found as a as a pretty hardcore iPad user that
00:24:44
the form factor actually gets in the way of a lot of stuff. It's not particularly portable, like truly portable. It
00:24:50
doesn't. You still need a backpack. And at that point, it's like, why would I not just bring a laptop? And that
00:24:56
is what the iPhone Fold is for. The iPhone Fold Generation 4 will probably be perfect for you.
00:25:02
Yeah. When I'm like 39 years old. I'm so bad about 39. I'm not that far away from that. All right, welcome back. We have another
00:25:13
interview right here for you. This time, someone we actually know from this world. This is Brad. Hello,
00:25:19
I'm Brad Bennett. I'm Canadian. I work at Canadian tech blog called Mobile Syrup. What is up, Mobile Syrup? That I forget
00:25:25
how much I love that until I hear you say it. It's a great great name. Yeah, Brad, we don't really know each other, but I see you here.
00:25:31
Yeah, we met one time. We had a drink one time a few years ago. That's right. With uh Yeah, New York. Brad's someone I remember. Well, I was
00:25:36
going to say I see every time I come, but I haven't gotten an event badge in like We were in the like risers at one point.
00:25:43
We've been in the risers or Yeah. And I always see you around like at the cafe here and stuff. That's Well, I'm glad you guys remember me. I'm happy to be here.
00:25:48
Yeah, of course. And this is part of the joy of doing these events is like you see industry folk that
00:25:54
you sometimes only see through these sort of things, but it's always a good time. Right. We wanted to talk about ceramic
00:26:00
shield. Yeah, I love you. Really? I didn't know anyone had strong opinions about ceramic
00:26:05
shield at all. Um well, I I'm doing this mostly for my fiance who just destroys phone screens
00:26:10
every year. Just scratched really bad. She's not going to be happy being on blast like this, but those those screens look tough. And so, uh, last year they
00:26:18
made a big deal about ceramic shield in the iPhone 16s being a lot better. And then throughout the year, you know, it
00:26:23
didn't seem like that much better in my testing throughout the year. This year they were like, "Well, we now have ceramic shield 2." And to me, I was
00:26:29
like, "Wait, have we not had many generations of ceramic shield so far?" Uh, but one of the guys on the on the floor was telling me today that
00:26:36
previously it was just called next generation ceramic shield. It's one of those classic Apple that is the most Apple thing possible.
00:26:42
Um, and then this year I think it's uh 3x scratch resistance as opposed to the previous one. So they thought that that was a big enough jump to finally add the
00:26:49
number two to the end. So that's that's what I learned about ceramic shield. Oh my god. When you have your second kid, don't call it your second kid. Just
00:26:55
say it's your next generation. Next gener next generation. If you have a third kid that you really like, that could actually
00:27:04
that's what did you think or first I want to ask, we see her all the time. Do you know what number Apple event this is
00:27:10
for you this or you have to take a guess? I think uh so I started coming in just as we sort of tailing out of co and
00:27:16
travel was starting to get back up for these things. So my first Apple event was WWDC M2 MacBook Air maybe three
00:27:22
years ago. That sounds about three. Then you're out like sixth event probably you know two two a year.
00:27:29
Yeah. Two here and then sometimes they have smaller events. Sometimes in Toronto they'll do little things like if it's an iPad or whatnot. Um, but yeah,
00:27:35
this is my and this is my second Apple event as a full-on reporter. My very first one, I was just the camera guy for our website cuz I do a little
00:27:40
Right. Cuz I remember you had the craziest camera rig. The last time I saw you here. Uh, maybe. Oh, with the big gimbal with
00:27:47
like the big And then you also had the the Peak Design backpack holster thing. So, we like I was like, "This is camera
00:27:53
Batman over here. Canadian camera Batman." The only time I used that clip, I bought it thinking I would use it all the time.
00:27:59
The only time I ever use it is here because I'm just like, "I have to hold the phone. I got to put my camera somewhere." They don't let you put your cameras on the tables really when you're
00:28:04
in there. It's really annoying the things you can't do in there. Marquez loses it cuz he's using like his huge red rig and we
00:28:10
can't bring sticks in there. They usually We can't even bring the camera. We have to check it cuz it's in like a roller bag. He's not going to sit with
00:28:16
it on his lap. I could see that. Yeah, they are tight with the security detector sometimes. They're super tight with it. Um was
00:28:22
there anything that stood out in this one too or like the new iPhone design language? For me, uh I mean the air I'm super
00:28:28
excited about. It just feels so good when you pull pick it up and you hold it in your hand. It just feels like a pane of glass. You're the first person we're talking to
00:28:35
that held it. Really? Okay. Well, it's really nice. The sides are glossy, so it kind of gives you that old uh 14 Pro feeling or
00:28:41
13 Pro feeling, but obviously it's titanium. Uh they're saying it's going to do like 26 hours of battery life with
00:28:47
like streaming video or whatever that the metric is. And they that's supposed to be as good as I think the 16 Pro from
00:28:52
last year. So, this phone is actually stacking up to be a lot better than we had anticipated on paper. Yes.
00:28:59
Once we get it into like, you know, the labs and we're testing things out and Marquez and all you guys are are using this a lot more. We'll see how that
00:29:04
holds up. But it just I don't know. People, it doesn't seem to make sense thinner phones, but when you hold it, it does.
00:29:10
It's just like there's this magic moment. I mean, have you guys held the Edge? That's I was going to say that the Edge was this like, hey, that's pretty cool. It
00:29:16
came into the studio. All of us were like, "Oh my gosh." And then I was thinking the other day, I was like, "Where's our Edge? where has anyone
00:29:22
talked about it or held it? But uh as an iPhone, it's probably a bit more popular and like I think more people will
00:29:28
appreciate that. I agree. Yeah. And then you know just the last cherry on top is I think liquid glass
00:29:33
was kind of leading towards the air and just when you hold it that that glassy effect everything together you know I've been dreaming of the
00:29:39
trifold thin phone from Westworld for years. We're getting there. We're a step in the
00:29:44
direction. Yeah. I actually I've heard a few musings on the internet about how the Air was actually sort of like a stepping
00:29:51
stone for the fold to just get quality and like well know as far as their manufacturing
00:29:57
goes. Exactly. That's I've been thinking that same way thing. It's like they're making phones thinner to fold them. This is the stop gap to just like you know the
00:30:02
screen's not ringing the foldable. It's not tough enough or whatever. Well, we can make them thin. People are going to like it.
00:30:08
How does the uh the plateau feel on your Yes, the plateau. Um I It's up high so you don't really notice it. And this apparently the A19 Pro chip is in the plateau. So I'm really excited to see if
00:30:20
that really takes the heat away from my hand while I'm holding it could be exciting. Um will it apply a lot of heat
00:30:25
to the camera stuff that's right beside it? And will that be a negative? I don't know. It is wild that they like shoved
00:30:30
everything in the plateau to basically cuz they need every centimeter millimeter there for battery. Yeah.
00:30:36
Which is I wasn't expecting that. Actually, I will say for Canadian fans, if you're not reading Mobile Ser, you should because we're covering you on
00:30:41
this, but this is the first year all the iPhones are either. It seems we're finally we're finally getting on that train.
00:30:46
So, you get that extra little extra battery. I was like, I'm importing a phone if we
00:30:52
don't get that. Like, I will take all the battery. That's the thing. Is this like one of the first times we're going to have the two SKs of like the and one's going to
00:30:58
have a better battery life than It seems like it cuz they uh it seemed like in the old ones the the SIM card chip the old one and the American models
00:31:05
was just filled with a little piece of plastic or something and so now yeah it's like there's a big battery difference and I I think actually that's
00:31:10
what Apple needed to kind of push people towards eim. It's like there was never really a big reason to care about it but
00:31:16
it's like I'm going to get a little battery which I do care a lot about. That's very cuz Pixel just went all eim all of them not even just the US models.
00:31:22
So, and I they didn't tout anything about it. Or maybe they said, who knows? Yeah, I didn't watch that one as much.
00:31:28
You know, Jimmy Fallon, I guess. Jimmy Fallon wasn't talking about Easter. Jimmy Fallon got us a great title and
00:31:34
great clickthrough rate on our podcast episode. So, you know, I'm pro Jimmy Fallon. All right. Yeah, I probably won't bring in the clickthrough like
00:31:40
No, I think you will. While while you're here though, there is one thing from this event that I really want to talk about, which is
00:31:46
of course you want to talk about it, Ellis. Live translation. Oh, yeah. which I don't know if I don't
00:31:51
know if you listen to the show, but I have been saying for over a year now that this is not going to come out
00:31:58
anytime soon. It was worse than that. It was what are your predictions for this year? And Ella said there is zero chance live
00:32:03
translation comes and every single event since he said that has introduced live translation in some way.
00:32:09
And I was feeling like wow, I really I really did not do a good job with that prediction. And this event changed my
00:32:16
mind because I watched their live translation little thing and I was like, "Nope." I was like, "This is not gonna
00:32:22
work." And not because the event made it seem like it didn't work. They didn't really demo it in real life at all, but
00:32:28
it just feels like one of those things that's like such a gamecher in tech that why would they give it only 5 minutes of
00:32:35
the event unless it just straight up doesn't work? Yeah, that's fair. That's a good point. Um, have you tested it?
00:32:41
I have not. I did put the AirPods in. Um, they feel a little different in the ear. The noise cancelling was good, but I didn't I didn't do the translation
00:32:47
thing. I should have I didn't think about it. I don't know if the person I don't know if they probably would have at this point. Maybe if you have a briefing later, you'd be able to test it
00:32:52
out. It It felt weird though that they like talked about it for 5 minutes sandwiched between like uh, you know, foam in the
00:33:00
ear tips and like a slightly different design or whatever. You cannot feel the foam in the ear. Feel the same to me. I don't know. Okay.
00:33:06
And well, and then also it's the kind of thing where like part of this crazy rant was I pulled up a list of every single
00:33:12
time a tech company has announced live translation since 2014. I was going to say you got to go back pretty far. It's dozens and we still don't really
00:33:19
have it. Well, the thing I kind of think is I just feel like it's like ultra ultra niche, you know? Like I I my
00:33:25
girlfriend's from Mexico. She speaks Spanish. We don't speak Spanish at home unless and if her parents are over, they'll speak English because I'm there. Sometimes they'll speak a little
00:33:31
Spanish, but like are we all going to sit there with AirPods in so we can communicate in this weird way? I don't I don't think so. I guess like if you
00:33:38
travel a lot maybe. But I also think about in those instances like I'm wearing my AirPods. I walk up to you and I'm like we're going to do this thing.
00:33:43
You have no idea what I'm talking about, right? Like I'm like just putting a phone in your face and I'm like what where do I go for this thing and
00:33:50
I'm in broken language or whatever. I don't know. It seems like a tough one. Helpful if it works, but yeah. Well, we'll see if I have to eat
00:33:55
my words. Yeah. Um yeah, I ate my hat on the orange one. I was like, every year the renders come out with crazy colors. There's no way
00:34:01
we're seeing an orange pro. And then just like boom. What do you think of the orange? It's exciting. I think it's fun. I guess
00:34:06
cuz they're doing the aluminum. It's finally time to slap on some crazy colors, but um it's pretty pretty
00:34:12
bombastic compared to the Pro iPhones of the past. I I personally was a huge fan of Desert Titanium last year. I just
00:34:17
like that that earth tone element. Um so I'm a little sad to see that fade away, but uh it's exciting. And I think people
00:34:24
online seem to be reacting pretty positively to it. I like it. I Yeah, both of us love the orange. Our team is pretty split on it,
00:34:31
I think, but I don't know. on Pro and it matches the like the watch pro like uh or sorry watch ultra that would match and stuff or maybe not totally matching. I think it actually I don't know. I wish
00:34:42
I would have brought my watch ultra to compare. It matches the um the the crown. Yeah, it probably Yeah, that's a bit
00:34:48
brighter. You're right. And it's probably like you're not going to be having them close enough that it's going to matter that much. But yeah, it'd be
00:34:53
I don't know. Apple does that strange sometimes. I mean last year they had the blue air and the blue iPad Air and they're both like ever so slightly
00:34:59
different and it was like guys come on. We match this stuff. This iPad mini when I bought it, it's I accidentally bought
00:35:04
purple and I didn't realize I bought purple for like weeks after. When I reread my
00:35:10
receipt, I thought I had silver the entire time. This is barely even purple. You're just always out at like dusk and you're like, man.
00:35:16
Yeah. Yeah. One time my girlfriend was fancy. I was trying to sell her old MacBook Air M1. It was the gold one and the dude
00:35:22
showed up and it was like dusk and it was looking really rose gold and he was like, "I'm not buying this pink laptop." And he left and we were like, "This is
00:35:27
gold, dude. I'm telling you." And he was like, "Not a chance am I using this?" and he he left. I thought it was funny.
00:35:34
My first iPhone was rose gold and I remember just feeling back in the day it was a power move. I I remember so cool. It was a rose gold
00:35:40
4S. Wow. No, it was I think five or 5S. I don't think they had the rose gold 4. No, you're right. I am lying about this.
00:35:46
I had a rose gold five and andor 5S and my 4s was white. Cool. Wow. Was your 4S?
00:35:53
I am old. What your was the 4S your first one? 4S was the first one. two Android phones before that. And uh and the 4S was my
00:35:59
Switch. And I and I remember it was right around the time they made the iOS update where everything was really thin.
00:36:06
Just like a seven, I guess. I guess that was seven. Yeah. And I just remember feeling like when you're on
00:36:11
your own, right? Yeah. I felt like I I remember feeling it. Remember, do they have Ruka?
00:36:17
Canada. It's spelled RVCA. It's like a surf brand. Oh, yeah. That's how you pronounce that?
00:36:22
I've never heard that. I thought it was RVCA. No, that's Ruka. And to me, I just remember feeling like I had the Ruka
00:36:27
phone. I don't know. Those those two aesthetic, the iOS 7. Maybe it's just me. Maybe we should just end this. Maybe maybe we
00:36:33
should never make another episode waveform podcast. One more question that has nothing to do with this Apple event. So Marquez
00:36:39
recently has been having issues with his Arc browser and we are all separately trying to convince him to use a
00:36:44
different browser. Aren't those guys like going out of they claim they're not sunsetting it, but we all know they're sunsetting it. Um, if you had to pitch him a browser of what
00:36:56
he should use, what should it be? Oh, man. I mean, this is not a good option, but I I've been like really iOS
00:37:02
26 build, so I've been using Safari on my Mac lately, and it looks great. Maybe it doesn't look bad. I And I know you
00:37:08
can do this on a lot of different ones, but you can set that like custom wallpaper on your launch page and everything just looks cool and it all
00:37:13
matches. And uh I'm like, you know, a browser is a browser. If I need something crazy, it's not working, I'll just open up Chrome and I know it's
00:37:19
going to work. But for 90% of the time, I just want to look nice and I'm in Safari. Are you on that train? Of course I'm on that train. Doesn't it feel nice to have RAM in your computer
00:37:26
that's available? Yeah. And it feels like to it feels nice to look pretty, you know? Like I just I just Why would I pay for all that RAM if I'm
00:37:32
not going to use it? Dude, nothing drives me more insane than when I open Chrome and I'm like, let's just open like Activity Monitor and see
00:37:38
what's going on. And Chrome is just like, oh, you've got 64 GB of RAM available. I'll just use all. You don't
00:37:44
need it for anything else, right? These tags are going to fly, but don't open Photoshop. Don't open anything else. Mhm.
00:37:49
Rad. Awesome. It's been a pleasure. Thank you guys for asking. It was really good to see you guys again and uh a blast. Yes, go read Brad's writing and watch
00:37:56
his videos. Yeah, I think it must be social videos on our Instagram for this one. Just a son of a downsizing on our end, but uh
00:38:03
lots of stuff on the website and uh I'm I'll be excited to watch this episode. See you guys in Is it mobile syrup.ca or mobileup.com?
00:38:09
It's actually mobile syrup.com for whatever reason. That was before my time. I don't know how that happened. I think if you type it might redirect, but
00:38:16
that might have gone away as we've kind of shoveled through different owners over the last couple years. But yeah, thank you guys so much. Happy iPhone.
00:38:25
[Music] All right, welcome back. We have another new guest. What's your name? Hi, my name is Pratamesh.
00:38:41
Pratamesh. Yep. It's great to meet you. Welcome to Wave Form. Yeah, welcome to Waveform. We were hanging out over there when we were just
00:38:47
talking with Brett and um you came on. And you said you've been a longtime listener, right? Yep. Awesome. Thank you. I haven't missed a single episode since
00:38:53
2022. I might have missed a couple of videos on the main channel, but not on your phone. We'll make sure Marquez knows about
00:38:58
that. I will tell him immediately. Um, thanks for the support. That's awesome. Did you you here in Certino?
00:39:04
You watched the event previously. I didn't watch it in person. Yeah. Yeah. But you saw We didn't watch it in
00:39:09
person. We didn't go inside. We're out here because we didn't get to go in and do Yeah. I I work here at AMD.
00:39:15
So, I I just wrote I just saw you guys' Instagram stories. really. And let me just drive here.
00:39:20
It worked. We got at least one person from it, which is a success. I wasn't sure you guys will be still
00:39:25
here or not, so I just drove up quickly and you guys were still here. Lucky. Thanks for coming. Yeah. Was there
00:39:31
anything from the event that really stood out to? Are you an iPhone user? Yeah, I am. You are. Okay. What are you on right now? I'm on 15 Pro Max.
00:39:37
Okay. Yeah. Are you looking to upgrade? Uh, not for 17. I was looking if if there there was something interesting,
00:39:43
but didn't quite got sold out to that thing. Sure, I really like the Air. It's thin, but uh I'm someone who likes multiple cameras for like night photography, so I don't think so. How
00:39:55
much beneficial it will be for me from going to 15 Pro Max to this the iPhone Air? I think that's fair. So, Oh, yeah. Yeah. Probably not like maybe I'll just wait for 18 then.
00:40:06
Yeah. What did you think of the orange color? I didn't like it. You didn't like it? No. I I felt it it was like cartoonish
00:40:13
for me. Cartoonish? Yeah. Whoa. Oh, I haven't heard that yet. Yeah, I haven't heard that. I actually thought it felt a little
00:40:19
I'd go the opposite. Like not cartoony. It felt more like like coppery kind of. I haven't seen it in person. I Well, we've seen a picture of it. Yeah, we're saying I've only seen pictures of it. That's fair. Yeah.
00:40:30
Well, he hasn't seen it in person either. We're all going off the same thing here. What if there isn't actually an orange iPhone? What specific ruse?
00:40:37
We're all just getting pranked right now. I don't think so. Where's Ashton Koocher? Yeah. Yeah. Where is Ashton Kutcher?
00:40:42
Okay. So, nothing um about the phones are going to upgrade. Did were you interested in anything from the new AirPods or the new Apple Watch? What
00:40:48
Apple Watch are you using? Yeah, I have the Series 8. It's quite old. Yeah, I was looking for an upgrade just this too. And I think ultra 3 would
00:40:55
be a good upgrade for me. And the satellite feature is something which I don't know how much it'll be
00:41:01
useful in like day-to-day life. But yeah, this is something good to have. And yeah, like I think uh Apple and even
00:41:07
I like the AirPods Pro 3 as well. Mhm. They I I don't know like uh I haven't seen it in person but they looked more
00:41:14
elegant than I I I have the first gen pro two the lightning ones and uh I think that would be also
00:41:21
another big upgrade for me. So yeah those are the two things. Uh I I was thinking between the series 11 uh the
00:41:28
watch sorry watch 11 or the um ultra 3 but I think uh ultra 3 looks great and it looks more rugged and like the overall look it's kind of same than from the ultras but yeah.
00:41:40
Uhhuh. Do you what are your how well do you think live translation is going to work? Ah okay.
00:41:47
Yes. Never thought of I the only one time when I used live translation that is using my meta classes.
00:41:53
Okay. And that was wait those have live translation. Yeah, they do not exactly live translation. So there was like a text
00:41:59
and it translated me in English directly audio. Oh, it was text. Okay. And then audio.
00:42:05
Okay. Ellis is still right. Yeah. Ellis is still Do you remember Ellis making the prediction that there will be
00:42:11
no live transl? Yeah. And every single event has had it since. Yeah, but no fe It's not You can't buy
00:42:16
live translation yet. I'm still technically right. Maybe. Yeah, I don't know about that one.
00:42:25
Uh um yeah, where it felt like did it not feel like they just kind of like put it between two random other new
00:42:32
feature upgrade and kind of like glossed over it completely. Yes. And also the the demo they showed like that there's some kind of business
00:42:38
meeting going on like and like that felt so artificial like nobody talks when there is like a delay of 5second between
00:42:44
what I say and what you say. Yeah, I I feel I'd rather just like have an interpret a real interpreter and then
00:42:51
talk if rather than having some gimmicky feature. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. How how much latency until it's
00:42:57
not live anymore? Yeah. You know, let's let's be real here. I think I'm going to I think they're doing they're doing the
00:43:03
like the documentary style like overdub vibe where like you hear it for a second and then it comes later.
00:43:09
Maybe two seconds. We didn't actually see it really work. We just saw it. It's September. Okay. Hey, we got three
00:43:15
more months of 2025. I think I'm sailing clear with this prediction. I'm going to win. I'm not cooked. I was cooked.
00:43:22
It will be good. Just good enough to make you eat your words, but no one will actually use it. That's my
00:43:28
And frankly, if that's the case, humanity will be better off. You know, I truly believe that all these tech
00:43:33
companies were like, "Oh, Ellis said we couldn't. I'll show him." That's definitely what they're doing. I got a question.
00:43:38
Billions of dollars of investments just to show me who you know. What do you think is Ellis's battery life? Yeah. This is the the last question we
00:43:45
need you to answer. I will I will ask uh Alice when I I'll meet him. Okay. Uh we want you to guess.
00:43:50
You're allowed to ask him questions about how I took my phone off the charger at uh probably like it is right now 2:26 at
00:44:02
11 a.m. Yeah. Right when we left. Okay. Mhm. So you used it earlier though, right? Cuz
00:44:07
you were up pretty early and went for a run. Did you know? Yeah. But I charged it after that. So I think And I think it fully charged during the event. So, I think I think we
00:44:13
could say I stopped charging it about 3 and a half hours ago. Okay, let me guess. 230 now. Uh, I will go with 35.
00:44:21
That's a good faith. No, but I am at 72. About 35 bucks. 72. To be fair, we've been sitting here doing this and he hasn't really been using it. Yeah, that's true. At 72, having not
00:44:33
used it. I've also noticed that the first half drains a lot slower than the second half.
00:44:39
That just tanks. Like, well, for example, yesterday when I was boarding the plane, my phone was at 37 and when
00:44:47
the plane took off, it was at 5. Um, I just want to say you're a cycle for getting on a plane at 37%. But,
00:44:54
I do everything at 37%. I do everything at 37%. I would go home if my phone was at 37%.
00:45:01
I would be way too scared to be out anywhere. As someone who listens to the podcast and clearly knows my struggle,
00:45:07
what phone should should I upgrade to? I feel anyways battery is something no matter whatever you get, it's an upgrade for you. So, so 16.
00:45:21
So, uh I think 17 air would be not 17, just iPhone air would be I think Wait, they're just calling it
00:45:26
iPhone calling it air. We thought that was weird, which I observed. They're not feel good for longevity. I feel like they're putting it in this weird spot where it's been like two minis, two what
00:45:38
do they call them? Max. The maxes, right? No, they were pluses. Plus, plus and now the Air Like what are
00:45:45
the chances just two generations and then we try something else? Um, I'm curious about what will they call an Air for next year? Will it be
00:45:52
Air2 or A18? Yeah. Damn. I have an orous air again, but they call it second gen like subtext. I feel like that's very Apple. Yeah, the new air.
00:46:04
Welcome back. I keep saying welcome back as if these are not like hard cuts between these interviews. Um, still at
00:46:09
Apple Park. It's way hotter out now. And we are with Allison. Hello, Alison. Thank you for joining me. Can you introduce yourself and maybe explain what you're doing on this beautiful Certino day?
00:46:20
I just happened to be in Certino. No, you just found a badge somewhere. Yeah, someone put this badge on me. Um, now I
00:46:28
Allison Johnson. I write for The Verge. Uh, I'm a smartphone lady and I dabble in wireless carriers. So, very, very fun. How did you feel about the event?
00:46:40
Well, it was more interesting than the last few events, honestly. Uh, you know, the redesign on the Pro is kind of kind of something. Okay, explain something. That sounds
00:46:52
like not good. Yeah, I it's a strong look. Uh the you know the are you guys plateau
00:46:59
plateau? Are you going to say plateau for the next week and then probably I was thinking about calling it the mesa
00:47:05
just to be sort of uh you know against the grain but yeah I think plateau is nice.
00:47:10
Yeah, it is kind of a messa though. Uh that's what I'm saying. I like the plateau. Yeah, I've been I've been extolling the virtues of the plateau all day. Okay.
00:47:22
Actually, yeah. I don't I I don't think I've made up my mind, but it's different. It's like a different thing.
00:47:28
This is It's kind of weird for me to say because I've never been fond of like the visor aesthetic that a lot of
00:47:34
like pixel visor. Yeah, like the pixel. I was about to say a lot of phones, but I think it's just the Pixel that does the visor. They've done some of the old like
00:47:40
Huawei's had this big like but that used to be like when they they were putting like a screen on the back of it, so it
00:47:45
made more sense. This seems like they're shoving a lot of internals into it at least for the Air. Right. Right. Yeah. that that nice sort of like
00:47:51
smooth CNCed wall up to the I don't know. I'm into it. And I was trying to explain this earlier and I couldn't, but
00:47:57
it makes the phone feel like a control panel or like a console or like part of a cockpit that I like really really
00:48:03
like. It's it's asymmetrical symmetry. Sorry, cut you off. No, like the back panel having that the
00:48:09
little patch of like ceramic shield is interesting. I smashed this iPhone back glass. Um, I won't blame my four-year-old, but it was kind of his fault. Um, so I could have used that.
00:48:22
Uh, but yeah, it's it's something interesting, different. Uh, 48 megapixel telephoto camera could
00:48:29
be cool. Mhm. We'll have to see. What do you think of the Air? The Air is very light. Okay. Strikingly light.
00:48:40
Yeah. Oh, wait. We're getting interference. Yeah. I tested the um How bad is it? Is it like did it go and
00:48:46
go away or is it still is it still happening? Wait, can you talk? Sorry. Oh, hello.
00:48:53
Yeah. Okay. Um, yeah, the air is super light. Uh, it's, you know, as thin as it seems
00:49:02
it is from the photos. Is it like the S25 Edge? Like the S25 Edge is It is slightly
00:49:08
thinner. Wow. Okay. Yeah. But once you get down to like that width of a hair, I don't know, like if
00:49:17
anybody won there. Um, yeah, it's it's one of those things like you kind of live with it for a little bit, at least
00:49:23
with the edge, and you're like, "This is nicer. This is lighter." As long as the battery test
00:49:31
Yeah. As long as the battery holds up and Yeah. If it's in my back pocket, if it doesn't
00:49:37
Yeah. turn into a flip phone. Yeah. Oh my gosh. What phone do you have right now? I got the 16 Pro.
00:49:43
Okay. Not Max. Uh, I put a case on it. I hate cases, but the the back is busted.
00:49:50
To prevent it from getting any more busted. Yeah. And also for So Apple doesn't see that I busted the RV.
00:49:57
Whoops. I'll go get it repaired. So I guess if you were, would you trust the Air with your four-year-old? Oh god, that's the question. I haven't thought of that.
00:50:10
That might be the ultimate test of ceramic shield. You should That would be a good article of like
00:50:16
four-year-old in a concrete, you know, pavement slab. Yeah. Who is left standing?
00:50:21
Also, I just feel like it'd be so enticing to put in your mouth if I was four years old. That was like the worst
00:50:27
way I could have said. We're not going to change it. You know what I mean? Like, we've been wondering, do you think the
00:50:32
live translation will actually work? Oh god. I haven't like used a live translation thing that hasn't been super
00:50:39
awkward. Yeah. Like I think in like a stage demo or a very careful like Yeah. You're ordering at a restaurant or whatever. It's been okay where someone's not like talking back to
00:50:49
you and you need to go back and forth. It's just like saying one thing you need to that you can rehearse pretty much.
00:50:55
Yeah. Like having a a normal conversation seems I don't know. Hypothetically, if someone at the beginning of the year was like, "There's no way any like functional live
00:51:06
translation comes out this year." Would you be like, "That person's like really smart and knows talking about or would
00:51:12
you be like would you be like, I don't I don't know about that." I I am not taking sides in this
00:51:18
in this beef, Alison. It's intriguing to say that. But what hypothetically assuming, you know, not that anyone did say this, but like if they did like and they needed an outside
00:51:28
opinion because him and his friends been arguing about it all year, you would say
00:51:34
I'm on the side of I skeptical. I don't know if if it's very excited you said that. Been getting a lot of hypothetically a lot of hypothetical thing I said
00:51:44
allegedly, but uh yeah, it did you feel like it was put in a weird place in this
00:51:50
event? I I think the sort of a leading question, but yeah, they glossed over it pretty quick. They didn't really know what to do with
00:51:56
it. Yeah. They're like, "Here you go." In the the even just in the hands-on afterward, the layout was weird because it's usually like iPhone, iPhone Pro,
00:52:08
watches, earbuds. They just had little um cases of earbuds, like little boxes. They were walking around like they were chocolate or something, you know, like like like orves. Yeah. old timey like stewardist or
00:52:21
something. They just had the ear the airpods. Yeah. Do they feel considerably smaller?
00:52:26
I didn't pick them up. I had to There are three frigin phones this year. You're focusing on a lot of I did not partake in the AirPods.
00:52:37
Oh my gosh. Did we ask thoughts on Orange yet? Orange. I'm pro orange. Pro. I like it.
00:52:42
It's bold. We are pro also. We've had a lot of people who don't like it though. I'm really surprised by that. I think it's a
00:52:48
really fun color. It's good. Fun is good. The orange is the best thing about it. The design is terrible.
00:52:54
No, no, no. We already We're already We're We're pro We're pro Mesa over here. It's already been established.
00:53:00
All right, we have one more question for you. If hypothetically someone on this podcast was using an iPhone 12 mini and
00:53:06
took it off the charger at 11:00 a.m. this morning, what do you think his battery life is?
00:53:11
His 30s. In the 30s. You're the second person to guess 30. If I had actually been using it all day. You got the 12 mini here.
00:53:22
My 15 mini is at home. It doesn't get to travel. I get it. Uh so the we asked our last no
00:53:29
two people ago we asked and I said I was at 73. I'm already at 66 and he hasn't even used it at all.
00:53:36
Oh no. Yeah. So I will be upgrading this year. What do you think you should upgrade to? Uh, I'm holding on to it
00:53:43
until they cut it off when when they're like, it's a security risk. I I made the So, we're we're still 3
00:53:49
years away from that somehow, which is crazy. I made the mistake of getting a base storage 12 mini,
00:53:56
which after 5 years, I think of my 64 GB, I think 52 of them are now system data that I can't take off the phone. Um, and so my phone really can't like
00:54:09
memory swap at all anymore. There's no storage left no matter what I do. And so it's the kind of thing where like the
00:54:14
keyboard never actually works because there's no RAM left to do the assisted type thing. So, but so what you have to do is you have to open messages, open the keyboard, lock the phone, unlock the
00:54:27
phone, which clears the RAM, and then you can type your text. Oh my god, that's awful. Uh, yeah. My I live in hell.
00:54:35
All right. I You should trade that in. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, no. I'm not going to trade it in. I mean, they would give me zero dollars for it.
00:54:41
They would recycle it beforehand, right? We'll take this off your hands. Allison, this has been an absolute
00:54:47
pleasure. Yeah. Where can everyone find you? Yeah, you can find me at the verge.com. You can find me at
00:54:52
Allison Joe one on threads and Instagram. Perfect. Link in description. Yeah. Thanks, Alison. Thanks so much for
00:54:58
joining. Thank you. Speeding speed. Are you bringing it back? Yeah. Cool. Am I Should I be Should I be doing something?
00:55:17
I don't know if that's part of the Nare camera. We're leaving that in. That's in the podcast. What's up? Welcome back. We've
00:55:23
found another victim. Not just a victim, a professional victim. I was not warned about this.
00:55:29
Yeah. Please introduce yourself. Uh yeah, so my name is Brett. I go by Brett Tech on the internet. I do mostly short
00:55:35
form stuff. Uh I started in like the smart home, 3D printing, tinkering space. Uh I realized I just like to
00:55:41
explain nerdy stuff to the internet. Count grew. Uh now I just cover everything tech including iPhones,
00:55:47
laptops, whatever I think is cool. That's awesome. We we haven't talked to many short form specific people cuz we
00:55:52
are very long form, especially the podcast. We're about as long form as you can get. Um, what do you how did you get
00:55:59
into doing specifically short form stuff? Craziest. I mean, I feel like everybody has a different content creator uh
00:56:05
story. Mine's no different. Um, super funny. So, I've always tinkered with smart home stuff. That's my main hobby.
00:56:11
And I made just the craziest smart home automation that I loved. It was I like reverse engineered the Bluetooth
00:56:17
protocol in my coffee maker. Hooked it up to hooked it up to a pressure sensor in my bed. So, every morning when I get
00:56:23
out of bed, fresh cup coffee. I thought it was the coolest thing in the world. That is the coolest thing. Yeah, sorry. It was the coolest thing.
00:56:28
Still is. And I wanted to share it to some of my buddies on Discord. Uh, and I I wasn't I didn't know where I could upload the file cuz it was too big for Discord. So, I was like, what's annoying with that? It is. And I was like, what's the social
00:56:39
media platform I take the least seriously and will never post anything on? Tik Tok, of course. So, I posted on
00:56:45
Tik Tok almost as like a video hosting service. Made an account that night. Um, shared the link to my buddies on
00:56:51
Discord. Went to bed, woke up, 3 million views. Wow. And then literally that was what uh
00:56:57
four years ago. And since then it's almost been a conversation with the audience because I was like I post a video there's comments, oh how do you
00:57:03
set that up? What smart home setup do you have? Blah blah blah. And that just turned into a full-time job and I'm now
00:57:09
a short form creator. I tried to do YouTube too but it's hard. Okay. No, that's awesome. And do you now
00:57:14
post on all different forms of uh so like shorts, reals, Tik Tok? I definitely definitely was a Tik Tok
00:57:20
come up. Um, but now really focused, especially with like the the ban when that was lingering, everything really
00:57:26
focused on diversifying. I try long for him, but I truly even as a creator, it's like working a different
00:57:32
job. It's no different than like going from being a content creator to like a tile
00:57:38
setter that it's like the way you script, the way you plan, the way you attack it. They're they're two totally separate things even though they look
00:57:44
we feel that way in reverse. Yeah. Yeah. It's like so to me short forums like I I usually post three or four videos a day.
00:57:50
I just riff quick all off the top. But short, I got to sit down. I got to write a script. I got to revise it. I got to
00:57:55
edit it. I got to tell a story. Just different, right? No, it's been really funny for us like when we go to make a short, it's almost
00:58:02
like an entirely isolated production pipeline. Like we have different gear. We write the scripts. It's It's so
00:58:08
funny. You I would I We're terrible at it. We'll have like one pop off and be like, "Oh, cool. That was awesome." And then this one's
00:58:14
definitely going to bang and then it's like very low view count and we're like we have no idea how to the one thing I the few long form videos
00:58:20
I made I do like the control you get short form there's like you got to disconnect what you think is good and
00:58:26
what you know is good from the actual performance and just or else you get caught in this loop of things you can't control and it's so yeah it's really
00:58:33
post it forget about it move on to the next one and try not to be overly that's what's fun about online creation
00:58:39
though is like you kind of have you know we talk about this all the time when people start with us especially if they're from legacy media is like you
00:58:45
get to make something, see it through, post it, see your feedback, and then you're on to the next thing usually within like a week, which is not normal.
00:58:52
Yeah. Um Okay, so cool. You're here covering the Apple event. I am. Any thoughts specifically? I mean, we're
00:58:59
straight out of the event now. Yeah. Uh I was pretty stoked on it. Uh, one of the things I mean a lot of the
00:59:05
things we saw for rumors with the Air coming in, one of the things that really surprises me moving forward is how how
00:59:12
much Apple's diversifying their set of SKs by bringing in the Air, the 16e. Uh, it's interesting to see them go in that direction because one of my favorite things about the Apple lineup to date has been how easy it is to recommend
00:59:24
devices within it. I've I the one thing that this is I find it curious how they're really expanding things out and
00:59:30
maybe breaking that simplification for the better. Like it could be for the better, but it could also be for the worse. Um but overall really impressed.
00:59:38
Um I thought some of the smaller features uh that didn't probably get a lot of love or a bigger feger deal than
00:59:44
most a lot of people think. The uh satellite connectivity on the watch Ultra. Yeah, that's one of those things that I think
00:59:51
99% of people don't see it. But like for me personally, I my main hobby is kite surfing. You go 3 4 km off the ocean. Um
01:00:00
no cell service, no tower, you don't have your phone with you. That's like a true lifeline that could really change
01:00:05
the game for some people. Um yeah, great event. It was my first one. Wait, wait, wait. No, no. We got to
01:00:10
talk. Yeah, sorry. Hold on, hold on. Just drop that. First, kite surfing like wind surfing
01:00:17
but without a fixed mast. Are your but your feet are attached to the board there? There's a few the the wind sport sphere is very large and confusing. Okay. Um but kite surfing in its
01:00:29
simplest form is you have a kite 20 meter lines. It is a literally looks like a kite flying above you. Yeah.
01:00:34
Uh and you could either wear a wakeboard style board where you're doing tricks and stuff. You take it off. You're strapped in
01:00:40
or you could ride a surfboard where you're traditionally like going into waves. Okay. So
01:00:46
my mind is blown. So I grew up sailing. Yeah. Waveform viewers might not know this. Grew up sailing. I've been uh three
01:00:53
miles offshore in a in a 16 foot sailboat and that was a like hell no experience for me. Like an absolutely not why am I here? This is not enough mass to support me this far away from
01:01:05
civilization. You're doing this with a piece of fabric and and a plank. I mean a glorified, you
01:01:11
know. No, that's that's what it comes down. It's a super light fabric. But like Yeah.
01:01:17
do it. You you would trust you have enough faith in the Apple satellite stuff to be like, "Oh, if something were
01:01:23
to go wrong, I don't need like a real radio." Yeah. And to service the kite, the kite boarding community. So, we're all very
01:01:28
safety focused. The being 3 km offshore is an edge case. Like, usually we're playing it safe, but there is the time
01:01:34
you're doing it downwinder or when you're 3 km out offshore out of your control because the thing about
01:01:40
wind sports is the wind goes the other way and you can't go straight into the wind, you're sometimes caught out. Uh,
01:01:46
and I don't think it's so much of a I'm going to do that because I have the watch, but just having that as a safety
01:01:52
option there. And like I think with with things like that, I don't think anybody's leaning on it as a crutch and going into this crazy stupid thing, but
01:01:58
having it just having it be there for that 1 2 3% of the times. And it seems like that's exactly what
01:02:04
Apple is going for with the the watch safety features is like with all their safety features.
01:02:10
Really good example. Yeah. It's like don't don't rely on this to like don't Yeah. Like if you really
01:02:15
need safety equipment, buy safety equipment. Yeah. But if you don't have something you're using all the time that could potentially and the upgrades for satellites this year was we've had satellite SOS, right? And now now we
01:02:27
have though like location and location sharing and messaging. Yeah. It's just a little bit more.
01:02:33
That's always a nice thing to have just be like, hey, I'm going kite surfing. Yeah. Like here, just so you know. Yeah.
01:02:39
You said this is your first event. This is my first iPhone event. So, I've done I've done two WWDC's.
01:02:46
Um, I've always been big on the software side. I'm good at explaining things that you can't see. Um, but this is my first
01:02:52
iPhone event and it's been super mega ultra cool. Sweet. And you're a short proax. Ultra ultra AirPods 3. Cool.
01:03:00
So, you're a short form creator. How many have you posted any content since the episode? Since it ended.
01:03:06
I've posted 25 videos. You posted 25? I was I was going to be surprised at three. Hold on. I I've
01:03:12
we've been working on one for an hour and a half. The the I've learned kind of the recipe
01:03:19
to covering live events like this cuz I found my first dubdub was my first live event. And I was
01:03:24
I'm so sorry. Go birds. Go birds. Go back at it. Yeah. I was I was just so overwhelmed.
01:03:30
So, I've kind of had to build a system for it. And really all it is is I I have two phones recording at all times of the
01:03:37
keynote. Anytime there's something good clip, clip it, post it real time, get in front of it. Uh, and then after I do
01:03:43
summaries, so here's everything you need to know about the Apple event in one minute. Here's everything to know about the new iPhones in one minute. Here's
01:03:48
everything to know about the new AirPods in one minute. Digestible, easy, quick. So you you said 25 are like 20 of those
01:03:54
clips from the event and like five are your recaps afterwards and like the hand on and then there's some like in the
01:04:00
margins which are more like okay as soon as you get onto the floor uh just film the colors of the iPhone. what iPhone colors are. Well, there's not a lot of substance to it. It's just being the first piece of content.
01:04:11
Colors of iPhones, they pop up online. That's what somebody told me. I was like, that's so surface level and it is
01:04:17
like it just like for fun. Sometimes you got to know the couple things that do it, whether they're
01:04:22
especially cuz you're someone who dives in really deep. Posting a couple colors probably feels like
01:04:28
against What phone do you film all this on? Uh, whatever phone I'm carrying. I uh
01:04:34
yeah, I'm very my content's very scrappy by nature. So, the actual production outside of audio, which is I learned is the one important one. The actual quality of my video, whether it's
01:04:45
shaking or front camera, back camera, whatever I could do to get it out. So, usually I
01:04:50
carry the 16 Pro, that's what I film on. If I'm carrying a 15, today I had a 15 that because I my
01:04:56
other 16 was dead. So, yeah, I really don't put much thought into it. So when you're shooting short short form is
01:05:03
thermal are ther Wow that I'm just gonna start that whole sentence over. That was a miserable. I'm keeping all when you're shooting short form stuff. Did
01:05:09
you say you're keeping that? Yeah, of course he's when you're shooting short form stuff. Uh are the phones thermal something you're worrying
01:05:15
about? Cuz that's something that's a conversation we've had amongst our studio and with other people here quite
01:05:20
a bit actually. Well, because they showed the vapor chamber and we're trying to figure out like what the best for that is outside of all the gaming they keep showing.
01:05:26
We're trying to think. That's what we kept talking and then I totally forgot. This is the second time I've said this on the pod that we wanted that Canon C70
01:05:33
to be an iPhone and we didn't trust it to not overheat during the shoot. I only ever run into it at events like
01:05:39
this where I'm filming the whole not only constantly filming but also I usually can handle the constant filming,
01:05:45
but the problem is editing, flipping over to Instagram, Tik Tok, posting it is posting in the background while you're filming. Um I am pretty bullish
01:05:53
on the vapor chamber because of that. Hopefully that's just the magic solution. Um, but outside of events like
01:05:58
this where filming, posting, uploading, editing kind of all in tandem, that's the only time where I feel like I reach
01:06:05
that limit. But I've done I do like some of my live streams and stuff on the phone and it's it's never been an issue
01:06:11
just for capturing footage. Okay, cool. Do you're Are you wearing Bitcoin socks or direct to consumer socks?
01:06:17
Direct to consumer socks. I used to, funny enough, I used to work in the like agency and marketing space. So, I'm
01:06:23
that's I think where some of my creator success comes from is I know how to communicate messages to people and
01:06:30
that's a newsletter we ran. As someone who seems to be doing short form content, right? What would you say
01:06:36
to people who are trying to become tech short form creators? What's the one thing that you wish someone had told you
01:06:41
before you got it got it cooking? Even though you just said that your very first Tik Tok had 30 million. I mean, to
01:06:46
that to that point though, you got to like don't don't just review a phone. Don't
01:06:53
just make a video to show this cool desk. Make something you want to tell your friends about. You got to be really
01:06:59
excited about it. Especially on short form YouTube as well. People's BS detector on social is so alarmingly good where if you just want to be a tech creator, so you're going to film a
01:07:10
review about your laptop and how much RAM it has. Not a chance. I don't care how good you are, what camera you have, you are going to get 10 views. Show if
01:07:16
you really like your mouse because it helped you rank up in Apex and it's this very specific setting that you love and
01:07:23
you want to dial that in and tell people about it. That's what's going to work. Something you're genuinely excited about
01:07:29
and don't worry about quality. Don't worry about intros, hooks, nothing. Just talk about what you're stoked on and
01:07:35
then everything else will fill in. But that's the only thing that matters. Exactly what Marquez did. He didn't see a video for the HP laptop remote that
01:07:43
was like plugged into the side of it. And that's the first video he made. Yeah. And it's like again it's cool thing, but
01:07:48
most people like when you think tech creator, you're like, "Oh, I've got a RAM, hard drive specs, processor, Intel,
01:07:54
AMD, blah blah blah." No. Like that's a that stuff is out there being done 10,000 times better than anybody
01:08:00
entering in could do. You're not going to compete with it. And b you'll just be seen right through. Um so you got to lean on the stuff you care about.
01:08:06
Okay. I have a question. Oh, is it about automations? cuz I wanted to ask something about you
01:08:11
browsers. Oh, okay. No, this is a great question. Okay, we're trying to convince Marquez to leave his browser Arc that he's been
01:08:18
using for a while because it just got bought by private equity all this whole thing. Y what browser do you recommend? What do
01:08:24
you use? If you have to pitch as a browser, pitch mark has on a browser. See, this is something I feel like I should care deeply about, but I just use
01:08:31
anytime I'm working where something in Safari and can benefit from something native Apple, I'll jump in Safari and
01:08:38
then I use Chrome just cuz it's really good at triaging all my different like workspace accounts.
01:08:43
Um, Safari for like raw performance on Mac. Anytime that I need performance and like cross device continuity, Chrome, I
01:08:50
wish I had like some answers. No, no, that's fine. I think that's what most of the answers are going to be. Yeah. Like I wish I was like some niche
01:08:56
opera game, but no, I just Yeah, unfortunately no hot takes on the browser. No, no worries. Um, I want to ask one
01:09:03
more question. You said you do a lot of automation. Other than the coolest automation ever of making yourself a cup of coffee, what's one other one you're
01:09:10
super proud of? Maybe it didn't get a ton of views, but you're like, man, this I thought was really the coolest thing I ever did.
01:09:16
I have a follow-up question, actually. Oh, honestly like there's there's the cool ones that are like shock value that
01:09:21
you never use, but it's the I think one of if anybody is interested in smart home and automation, the biggest thing
01:09:27
that's kind of dropped in that world are millimeter wave radar sensors that can actually not just detect whether or not
01:09:33
you're in a room, but where exactly you are in a room. It basically makes like a mini map that you could trigger autoations off of. So like I've got a
01:09:40
little workshop studio thing just having it so when I step up to my desk, the standing desk goes down. So I can sit
01:09:47
there, all the lights turn on and enters like a work mode when I go to my workbench, the workbench light turns on. Doing like spatial automations like that
01:09:53
and nothing nothing crazy, just like making the lights are sorted. Make sure like when you hop into bed, the doors
01:10:00
lock, that type of stuff. That's really the nice brain of this whole thing. Uh we're about to go down a very deep
01:10:05
rabbit hole, so I'll keep it I'll keep it very surface level. In the home automation space specifically, there's two kind of
01:10:11
there's two kind of crews. There's the bleeding edge crew, which is a platform called Home Assistant. Totally open
01:10:17
source. Everything's as custom as it possibly can be. That's where if you really want to push the limits, build some crazy stuff, you go there.
01:10:24
Um, in the smart home and home automation world specifically, I'm a big proponent of because it's something that's ingrained in your life. It's
01:10:31
better for it just to work and be functional rather than you be pushing the limit. It is the classic Apple
01:10:36
versus like Android argument in that regard. And I use Apple HomeKit. Um, it's a really good brain for it. You
01:10:42
could use Siri shortcuts to do really in-depth automations. And my partner, who couldn't care less about that stuff,
01:10:48
she could open her iPhone, go to the home app that she's never set up, view the cameras, turn off the lights, do all this stuff without this me having to
01:10:55
like debrief her over like 10 lessons. That That's really helpful, Brett, before we send you off back into the
01:11:00
world to do your actual job. This is my actual job. Yeah. He could have posted like eight or
01:11:06
nine different videos in the time of being on this as a home automation guy. There's a new thread modem or is a new modem that has
01:11:13
the the thread protocol. Are we not excited about this new modem? We we are. So, there's a few things to
01:11:20
be excited about the new modem, but with Thread specifically, Thread is already integrated in most people's smart homes
01:11:26
through their HomePods or other hub devices. Thread's very common. What the reason it is exciting is because it's an
01:11:33
easier entry point for people to get into more advanced smart home automations without needing to buy all
01:11:38
of these hub devices that'll bridge you there. So unless I mean I don't know maybe there's going to be I like to
01:11:45
think that they might be able to use that thread radio for other sorts of communication for things that aren't necessarily smart home like interacting
01:11:51
with maybe that's what interacts with the new Air Tag that comes out in 2 years and brings a bunch of
01:11:56
functionality. Um but really it's it's not like we're getting anything new. It's just bringing more accessibility to people that might want to get into smart
01:12:02
home stuff. That's such a good point. I've been so curious why Apple is so stoked on announcing that they make a modem. Now,
01:12:08
it is cool, but it is cool, but I flex. Also, it's like I even amongst our office of like nerdy techy people. I think at least half of our office does not know that modem is an abbreviation,
01:12:21
let alone know that what a modem is or what it does or why they should care. And so the fact that they're putting it
01:12:26
in like a flagship event, I'm still just like who I guess I guess it's where the door
01:12:31
Andrew what is modem short for say I don't think anyone knows what it's literally been a trivia question on
01:12:37
the podcast. And how many people got it right? Not apparently not yet. It's short for modulator
01:12:44
de modulator. Oh, interesting. Cool. Do you really care? Even the modem guy is like, "Oh, you know, like anyway,
01:12:55
that's my rant. I don't know. Good rant. I I do like I do like the idea that they're adding this the threads capabilities so that they can have more
01:13:02
flexibility in the future for like wireless." Yeah, that's that's my assumption. But I have one more home question for you.
01:13:10
uh which is that for the past few years I've been seeing lots of unexpected companies like Comcast put out all of
01:13:16
these research papers into using Wi-Fi to create these mini map sort of things that you're talking about like like doing person location detection. I am not technical enough to understand
01:13:28
these papers. Are you if what you're talking about is how you could basically use Wi-Fi to see
01:13:33
through walls. Is that what you're talking about? What I've been reading is that like Comcast has these and a few other
01:13:39
companies have been filing patents about using the existing router you have in your house to know exactly where you are standing
01:13:46
in a room. Yeah. So there another very deep rabbit hole. So there there's there's two
01:13:51
there's two things they could be talking about there. One is just pinging the device based on the signal
01:13:57
strength. So, you're carrying your phone. If your if the modem's in the bedroom, router's in the bedroom and
01:14:02
it's a really strong signal, you know, in the bedroom. There's this other really crazy I don't know much about it. I know a few people who do um where it
01:14:09
basically uses the Wi-Fi signal um kind of like a radar where and it could see through walls and you could actually map people and objects in rooms. So, there's DIY projects. So, you take an old
01:14:21
router, take it apart and use it. It almost looks like a thermal camera when you're looking around. And
01:14:26
it's it's not like a two-way signal, but when it blasts the Wi-Fi signal out, it's such a strong wavelength that it
01:14:33
can detect like kind of the density that it's going into and you could like effectively map out someone's home.
01:14:39
Brett, this has just been fantastic. Yeah, this it was fun. Thanks for yanking me. Thanks for doing thanks Brad for saying
01:14:46
we should talk to you. Boy, was he right. Brad, the gift that keeps on giving. I'm pretty sure Adam probably subscribed to every one of your
01:14:52
platforms in the middle of that. I'm very excited to see it. Before we send you off into the wilderness of Certino, where can people
01:14:59
find you so they can learn more about these really interesting things that you've been talking about? Uh Brett.te on Tik Tok. Tik Tok and
01:15:07
Instagram. I got an underscore after there. I'm working on it, but it's a tough battle to fight. But Brett.tech on
01:15:13
Instagram. Brett, thank you so much. If you're ever in New Jersey, you know who to call.
01:15:21
Yeah. Yeah. Sit down and grab the mic and if you want to jump on for a minute. Hi. So, what are we doing? Dude, you're looking at it. We're doing
01:15:27
uh we're doing waveform man on the street. Uh asking people have to share the microphone. We'll
01:15:33
figure it out. Sorry. No, no, don't be sorry. Oh my god. Yeah, that's Ellis's fault. He's not. We watch you all the time. This is
01:15:39
iconic. Nice to meet you guys. Welcome to the show. For those just tuning in, we have found three more fun guests to join us.
01:15:47
Hi. Um, what are each of your what are each of your names? Uh, my name is Ad. Uh, I'm I'm we're all
01:15:52
from here. So, I was going to say I'm from here, but we're all from here. Yeah, I'm Man. Just recently graduated from UC Berkeley.
01:15:58
Awesome. Congrats. Congratulations. And you want to move the mic over so a lot closer to you. Yeah. Isan. Isan.
01:16:04
Yeah. Awesome, dude. It's great to meet all of you. Thanks for stopping in. Um, this is something we're doing a little
01:16:09
different cuz Marquez and David and Brandon are inside with events. We didn't get passes, so we figured we'd
01:16:14
some grab some people, journalists or people wandering around and see what they thought of the event. Um, so yeah, you said you live around
01:16:20
here. You You guys watch the event, though, right? Yeah, we were in the We were in the We were in the visitor center. They they play it on a little TV. They usually
01:16:26
plays Apple TV promos, not on the big screen. Oh, okay. Yeah. Okay, that's pretty cool. Yeah, just put the mic like whoever's No, no, it's
01:16:32
totally fine. Whenever you're talking, put it next to you and that'd be great. Okay. Wait, so you guys are all from the area. Do you watch these events every
01:16:40
year? Uh, generally, yeah. Yeah. And sometimes I see my house from the sky cam. Like really? Yeah. No kidding.
01:16:46
That's really cool. I see a local boba joint across the street. I walk through sometimes. It's fun. How did you feel like this year's event
01:16:51
compared to previous September events? Uh do you have any opinions? I have some opinions. I don't want to. Yeah. I mean I feel like on my end it
01:16:57
felt like, you know, sort of minor improvements obviously. I think it's been very incremental over the past few
01:17:03
years. Um, and I think I mean I'm interested in the 17 uh just because I have a current as a 12 and so is looking
01:17:10
to upgrade and you're you know I'm hitting at the 5year limit. I wanted that bigger battery,
01:17:15
you know, bigger battery, better storage. I'm very excited about the 256. I think that they like did they say it
01:17:22
or was it just like on the screen? I think that's it. They might have verbalized it. Pixel needs to do that. I'm so mad that
01:17:28
I had to upgrade to 256. I'm very excited. I mean, I'm at 64 and I'm running out of storage
01:17:35
weekly. I'm like I have to clear out my phone every week and I'm like, I don't have time. I'm a busy, you know,
01:17:41
and then also does does your keyboard mess up all the time because storage? Dude,
01:17:46
finally support group. Okay, so this is now us just so now that you know we both need a new phone. The people have made that very clear for me at least. What is the What are you going to upgrade to?
01:18:00
Yes. I mean, I think for me, I we were just diving deep into the specs differences between the 17 and the 17
01:18:06
Pro. It seems like the differences aren't even that big, especially it's such a game changer with promotion on
01:18:12
the 17 256 base, you know, all of these other features and Apple intelligence support. But for me, I think one of the patterns I noticed is with uh Apple intelligence, we saw between the 15 and
01:18:24
the 16, the 15 immediately got phased out. So, the base iPhone model versus the Pro. So I'm concerned that in the
01:18:31
future if that happens to the base 17 there's a new LLM or you know different types of models that are running um how does that affect the performance as well as the RAM right base iPhone 17 has 8
01:18:44
gigs of RAM versus 12 on the Pro? So, how does that affect um you know the actual performance and and the ability for it to be you know um that's a great point assuming we do ever
01:18:56
get Apple intelligence like the official right no I feel you. I watching the event I for months I've been like the iPhone Air
01:19:07
is the stupidest thing I've ever heard of and then they got to the thing at the event and I was like I need one.
01:19:12
Pretty cool. It looks so cool. Phones are nice. I saw slim phones are nice. You want to I mean you held it.
01:19:20
Yeah, it's nice. I mean, battery is not great on this one already, but yeah, it's it's 4,400 mAh and a big
01:19:27
bright screen. It It's less bright than the six, actually. I had the six. Do you find yourself So, for audio listeners, what phone is it?
01:19:33
Uh, it's the Galaxy Fold 7. Okay. Uh, I've had every fold since the three just kind of stacking upgrades. I used
01:19:39
to work at a actually at the Costco right across from Google headquarters. Okay. and he did as well, my friend over
01:19:45
there. Um, selling phones. Uh, so yeah, I kind of stacked it. Uh, and I actually
01:19:51
I'm I'm controversial. I like the slightly thinner cover screen. I like the TV remote kind of
01:19:56
cuz I'm such a one-handed guy. And then if for me, if I have two hands, I open it up. But I get I get why this is the
01:20:01
the more slightly wider is more appealing to people. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. No, I totally get that, too. No, I thought the iPhone Air was super
01:20:07
interesting by like stacking everything in the plateau and basically leaving the entire body for just battery, which is
01:20:13
still probably going to be I think it's all day. The rumor was 2,800 mAh. It's always that fun thing where we
01:20:19
never know what it is until someone has to rip it over. They just don't like numbers. Missing a GPU core even though it has a
01:20:24
chip. Yeah, it has five GPU. You guys watched this better than we did and you watched it in a public place website.
01:20:29
Oh, okay. Yeah, we were we were deep diving and always nerding out on these on these features. So you guys you guys what did
01:20:36
you study at at Berkeley? Uh computer science and data science. And do you all are you all in tech? Is that sort of where we're
01:20:42
uh I'm business management economics. Well, I want to do product marketing mainly for tech because you know growing up near Apple Park which used to be HP
01:20:49
when I was growing up. Uh it kind of I don't know if I grew to love tech or I grew in tech culture so I
01:20:56
grew to love it kind of not by choice but I I like tech. Yeah. And then Oh yeah. I'm in the I'm
01:21:05
still in school. I'm spending some time in in film. So, I have the 16 Pro and I'm enjoying it because it's meant for kind of like a film student kind of
01:21:18
focus with the the the ProRes and all those extra features. I bet the iPhone the new iPhone video is better than the cameras I was shooting with when I went to film school. Like, I
01:21:29
I would not be surprised. Yeah, there's a there's like the only thing that really draws me to the Pro is like
01:21:34
I have this collection of really old dinky cameras that I like because they look really nice, but it's not like pro
01:21:40
quality footage. And I keep telling myself I need to invest in like in a like a real camera that I can use like
01:21:46
for like professional work. And I'm like, what if I just got an iPhone Pro? Like be fine.
01:21:51
You work with you work with Marquez. I'm sure this guy like you work with Marquez and all the
01:21:58
camera people like you have the best when I do need a camera I will usually just steal one
01:22:04
from the office but it would be nice eventually to own my own but until then until then yeah I
01:22:10
will be just oh my god well so I I was curious if you guys were in tech because when you brought up promotion I was a little
01:22:17
surprised and I'm sort of curious if you think the average the average person who's like not buying
01:22:22
an iPhone Pro is just buying like a base iPhone, will they even notice 120 Hz? Uh my mom has a Flip 7 and she turns off
01:22:29
and and the Flip 5 and the Flip 4 and the Flip 3 and I've made her turn off high refresh rate cuz she doesn't notice
01:22:35
and it just makes the battery a bit worse. She doesn't know. Okay. Yeah. And but I mean like she needs the largest font size. So like
01:22:42
very nice. But like Yeah, that's I mean that's why she got the seven cuz even the slightly larger cover screen helps with the slightly bigger font. like it
01:22:48
actually makes it usable for her so she can like read her messages on the front now versus five is a little bit of a struggle.
01:22:54
I think like all of us are really happy that we can finally say the iPhone base doesn't have 60 Hz anymore. But I do
01:23:01
think to a certain point is like um most people won't even notice. Yeah. I was thinking back to the
01:23:06
heritage of high refresh rate Android phones and I think one of the first ones was like the Razer phone. Really?
01:23:12
Probably. Yeah. They bought Yeah. The Razer phone. Razer one. Yeah. And cuz they bought Next. Remember Nextit?
01:23:18
16 gigs of storage on the phone. Everything went in the car. Probably pre-Lis and he didn't really care about Android phones, but yeah. And
01:23:23
it was terrible. And then they actually made some reasonable upgrades in like the Razer Phone 2, but yeah.
01:23:28
And then still just wasn't Yeah. That was just kind of that got seeing the 120 Hz on the base model kind of
01:23:34
reminded me of like like how long it's been and like it's nice to see that. For sure.
01:23:40
Next guest, Michael. Okay. You did watch the event, right? Yes. And you thought it was awesome. You said it was pretty cool. Cool. What was your favorite part of it?
01:23:46
Um, I think I like the AirPods and the iPhone 17. What did you like most about the AirPods?
01:23:52
I do like the um the workout feature and the blood pressure. The blood pressure or the the heart rate monitor and Yeah. Yeah.
01:23:58
Yeah. Cool. Do you you have an Apple Watch though, so are you interested in using that possibly without your Apple Watch
01:24:04
or Possibly. Okay, cool. Yeah. Um, but I'm I love wearing my watch. Um, it just it just feels like
01:24:12
it's part of me. Mhm. And so, you know, I sleep with it and everything. So, cool. I've been hearing that a lot that like the it feels a little redundant to have heart rate in the in the AirPods.
01:24:25
I could see it for people if they're not wearing a like I feel like, you know, now with AirPods and with rings, we're
01:24:31
finding ways that you can get the benefits of a watch and if you're a watch person, you can wear a real watch.
01:24:36
I I've been really wanting to go back to wearing a real watch instead of my uh cereal box on my wrist. I've got really
01:24:42
small wrist, so I think it looks I think it looks really weird on me. But um so I was really stoked cuz I I the rings did
01:24:48
not really seem like me, so I I guess I'm kind of excited. Oh, Brandon's calling me. Oh, is he?
01:24:54
Yeah, Brandon. Uh you know who Brandon is. Well, I'm gonna hang up on him now. Yeah,
01:25:00
we're live back. Sorry, we'll come back. No, no worries. Um All right. What was your favorite thing? Or actually before you tell me
01:25:06
about your favorite thing about the new iPhone, what phone are you using right now? I'm using the iPhone 12 right now.
01:25:11
12? Okay. You're the second 12 user. I haven't upgraded yet, but um I want to upgrade. I just don't have the money yet. Sure. Same. Um
01:25:23
there's I mean everything's expensive, which is definitely tough. Um but I think it's cool when people wait a while cuz then the upgrade feels so much better. My my dad has the iPhone 16. He
01:25:35
just that um a few weeks ago. He just got it and he loves it so much. Okay. So, he just got it a couple weeks ago. Yeah. So, he just missed a price drop. I mean, he didn't know when the um 17's
01:25:49
coming out. So, whatever. But that's fair. It's It's fine. I think I just found a new Marquez tweet
01:25:55
like ever like a yearly Marquez tweet in in August. He just need a tweet, do not buy an iPhone for the next 6 weeks. You
01:26:02
have time. You have six weeks and then it will be $100 cheaper. Yeah, that's super fair. So, what do you
01:26:08
think you're going to upgrade to? Which model? I would, if I had to choose to buy an iPhone, I would probably pick
01:26:16
the Pro. Okay. The 17 Pro cuz I feel like it's pretty good with like the cameras and all that stuff. I do like the
01:26:27
center stage on the Yeah. And I feel like because I'm I love taking photos. Um, and
01:26:37
with the P uh ProRes and all that stuff, I think it would be pretty great. Pretty helpful. Yeah. Do you like the new Or what do you think of the design language and the orange color?
01:26:48
I actually like the orange color. It's pretty unique. I love it. I think both of us are team orange right now.
01:26:53
Yeah. Who's anti- orange? Oh, actually like most like I think everyone we've talked to so far has not liked the orange either. Um,
01:27:00
lame. But yeah. Uh, and what about the like you like the plateau and everything? It's a pretty big It's a pretty big
01:27:06
visual change even though it's really not that different, but it it's pretty cool looking. I like the
01:27:12
design on it and the way it looks different from a different um iPhone. Sure. I think I like the more I think about it, I like the plateau because it it adds symmetry in a way that makes it
01:27:23
feel more like a console or like like some sort of like uh like a pixel. You mean
01:27:30
it kind of feels like uh do you remember Project Ara the like fake designed phone
01:27:36
where it was like supposed to be modular and everything was in squares? Like now that it has the like you know the whole
01:27:42
squirle or rectangle like across the top and it has the like matte finish around where like it feels segmented and like
01:27:49
evenly. The only thing is is I don't think it's actually going to be lay down flat and not wobble because
01:27:55
there's still the camera bumps protruding out of the protrusion. No. And the air is going to be even more heinous I think. I don't know. We'll
01:28:02
see. Wobbly. All phones are now I guess. But yeah. Oh no. My Pixel. Um, have you always
01:28:08
been an iPhone user? I've been always an iPhone user. Um, I started with an iPhone 5C.
01:28:14
Okay. Um, what color? Green. Yes. Good color choices. I I like it. Yeah. Um, and then uh Oh, yeah. Since you've always been an iPhone user though, if
01:28:27
you had to pick an Android phone to use right now, what would you pick? Maybe the Pixel 10.
01:28:32
Pixel 10. Yeah. Or the Pixel Fold. The Pixel Fold. Yeah, that one. Okay. Um, I think that's the hardest part about this event for me is I know I also have a 12. Mhm. I feel your pain, brother.
01:28:44
Um, but I don't like I want I need to upgrade. My phone is is dying. It's cannibalizing itself. But, um, I really want a folding iPhone. Yes. I just want to wait and I I clearly
01:28:56
can't and I don't know I don't know how to broach this with my uh with my bank account.
01:29:02
[Music] And we're back on the street with another guest. Can you tell us your name?
01:29:18
My name is Jack. Jack. Great to meet you, Jack. Uh, did you watch the event? I have not.
01:29:24
You have not watched the event. Awesome. And I also heard you have no idea who we are. Uh, right.
01:29:29
But I know I'm KBHD. Yeah, you know MKBHD. Okay, perfect. So, you know our our uh
01:29:35
That's why I don't know who we are either, but I Yeah, we're This is awesome. First tennis jersey. Yes. Alcarazz or sinner? Alcaras.
01:29:46
Bad answer, but we're cool. I like his answer. But you you look look like Sinner. That's why I like him.
01:29:52
Really? That's actually Is that a compliment or not? No, it's a compliment. He's handsome as he's really handsome. No, I I I like
01:29:58
center because he makes weird trick shots look really really easy and things that would be like disrespectful in most contexts just look so natural when he does them.
01:30:11
Effortless. Exactly. Exactly. And I I can't get enough of it. But enough about tennis.
01:30:16
Are you sure? Well, yeah. We We can't talk about this. This is a real podcast. All right. What phone do you have right now? iPhone um 15. Okay. which is a regular 15.
01:30:28
Uh 15 Pro. Okay. 15 Pro. You did not watch the event. Are you thinking though of upgrading this year
01:30:34
or anytime soon? Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Have you heard any rumors or anything about what? Sorry, there's a guy with a
01:30:40
Vision Pro in front of me right now. Really distracted me. I was not expecting that.
01:30:46
I saw it, too. Um No. Have you heard any like rumors or stuff about the new one that came out?
01:30:52
You missed the event. Wait, no. This is actually the perfect opportunity. What would the new iPhone 17 Pro have to have to convince you to
01:30:59
upgrade? It's a great better camera. Okay. What does better mean? Like higher resolution.
01:31:06
It does not have that. So, no. Yeah. And and you would be looking at the Pro, right? Yeah. Pro. Okay. Yeah. I don't think there's that
01:31:12
much thin. Yeah. What if it was like crazy thin? That's not That's the Pro though. I
01:31:17
don't think Oh, yeah. We're talking about the Pro. Here's a question. Do you take a lot of video? Yes. Does your phone ever overheat when you're taking video?
01:31:23
Yes, the Pro one does. Okay. The would would a new cooling feature that potentially we haven't tested this yet. Helps with overheating in video mode. Would that convince you to upgrade?
01:31:34
Yeah. Okay. For sure. You might be pretty excited when you watch the event later. I think that's is What about Do you like the color orange?
01:31:43
Uh yeah, because I I graduated from University of Illinois. Okay. Oh. Oh, that's why Eric pulled you over. Hear that? University of Illinois.
01:31:54
Okay, there we go. Urbana or Urbana? Okay, nice. Yeah, engineering. Yes. Nice. Sweet.
01:32:00
From Illinois. A lot of my friends went to university. Okay. Eric is also So now I need to Can I show you a photo
01:32:06
of the the orange iPhone? I need to look up all the new Are you okay seeing the new iPhone for the first time on a podcast you've never heard of and telling us if you like it
01:32:18
or not? Yeah. Okay, cool. Oh. Uh Marque took a picture of it, right? Yeah, it's on a story.
01:32:23
So, they they did a Have you seen what the new design changes are like at all? Well, I've seen some rumors like uh some
01:32:29
pictures of the Pro. Okay. They have like the like the wallet. It looks like the wallet's attached to
01:32:36
it almost already. And that the like they're calling it the plateau is the big like camera bump. So, this is the new orange. Okay.
01:32:42
Of the Pro. Do you like that or no? Yeah, I like it kind of like uh Hermes. Hermes. They do a lot of Hermes. Hey, I thought it was really funny how much they're doing Hermes stuff still, but
01:32:53
they refuse to do leather anymore, which is kind of like their whole stick. Um, but cool. So, do you What do you think
01:33:00
of the new design language on everything now that you're seeing? Cuz like we're never sure if rumors are are actually going to happen, but this is what it is.
01:33:07
Yeah, I think like they they widen the the the top edge, right? So, it will not like if you sit on the phone like it will not be like uh like wobbling. I still think cuz it
01:33:18
still has camera bumps on top of that. So there might be a little less, but I think there'll still be a little bit. It
01:33:24
seems like they're one of the things they mentioned in the events for the Air and this is that they're packing a lot of stuff into that that bump and trying
01:33:31
to use that space to increase like battery size and like add other internals into there. So,
01:33:37
right. What would it take to get you to switch to Android? I will never switch. Never switch to Android. If you had to,
01:33:44
is there an Android phone you would ever consider if you're forced to? Yeah, Huawei.
01:33:50
Huawei. Which which Huawei? I I You don't know any of them? That's okay. I heard they have like um like uh good
01:33:58
cameras. They're a lot of them are really awesome. The just most annoying thing is is like not being able to get Play Store
01:34:03
and But like I think a lot of people in our world would be using Huawei phones if we could use them.
01:34:09
Yeah. I mean, I haven't I haven't used the current generation of Huawei phones. I've only used like a few behind. And
01:34:16
it's funny that you bring up the camera because the cameras do feel really nice and they have lots of really interesting
01:34:21
features, but they also have like such a a look to them. Like they feel very like
01:34:27
sharp, but not not oversaturated like a lot of sometimes like Android. I don't know. It's funny that that the Huawei
01:34:34
cameras are what what you brought up. Mhm. I don't know. Everybody in China is using Huawei. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
01:34:40
Cuz they're nasty. Freaking awesome. Are you going to go watch the event afterwards or are you just to like read
01:34:46
about stuff, watch YouTube videos on it? Yeah, I will watch it. Watch the whole event. Yeah, it's I feel like it's Have you seen any
01:34:52
ones in the past and like have you have you watched the events in previous years? Yeah, I used to watch uh live.
01:34:59
Excuse me. Sorry. This one felt very slow to me. This was a very incremental upgrade year
01:35:05
just despite some like design language changes which visually looks really cool. has been several years and they they like they do the incremental
01:35:12
increments. Yeah. Nothing felt super wowy, but a lot of like things where if you're you said 15 you're on right now, right? Yeah. 16 two generations. Like there probably
01:35:26
will be some nice It probably won't be a huge different. We've talked to multiple people who are still using 12. So those people upgrading will probably feel it a
01:35:32
lot more. But yeah, but it doesn't make sense to upgrade every year. No, I totally No, no, no.
01:35:38
[Music] All right, welcome back. We're back with Kavi because uh I when he said he
01:35:43
studies aviation thought he meant engineering and I didn't realize he's in flight school and uh many of you have
01:35:48
been asking me to do an audio only episode like about audio stuff for years. It's not going to happen. But we
01:35:53
are about to do the plane segment because this is Ellis's other passion checking out. I have no idea what's
01:35:59
going Tell me more about what it's like to be in flight school. Uh well I was just
01:36:05
talking to him about like how we use iPads for I was gonna ask that. Yeah we use a app called forflight for
01:36:11
navigation um like performance computations. Is it iPad minis or like full-blown
01:36:16
iPads? So I use the 11in pro for the brightness. I think a lot of people would want like as stupid as it sounds a mini pro just for the brightness. Totally. I mean, all of us would love
01:36:27
that. And I that's interesting to see one other person outside the tech, you know, of us trying to cram everything
01:36:32
into everything wanting it. But that doesn't make sense cuz they they promoted the mini for like flight stuff
01:36:37
pretty hard a couple years, right? Okay, cool. So, do you do you have to hotspot it or do you are you downloading all the maps
01:36:43
locally and the the GPS works all up there? So, we get the cellular iPads, but we don't connect like a cellular plan to
01:36:50
it. It's just cuz those ones have the like GPS or something in it. Uh, and then we download all the um, I guess
01:36:57
materials we need before we fly. And then in the cockpit, it like just, you know, shows us where we are and we go
01:37:03
based off of that. I guess that makes sense cuz like even on my watch, like my Garmin watch, you can just download offline maps and it
01:37:09
does a pretty good job at telling where you are. Obviously, flying is a lot different than that. But when I finally upgraded from my free
01:37:17
open-source flight simulator to flight Microsoft flight simulator, the newest one, and they switched from having like
01:37:24
a Logitech thing in the cockpit to the the fake iPad on the side with fake forflight. I was like, it took me it's I'm still getting used to it. You connect actual forflight to Microsoft Flight Simulator.
01:37:34
I So I I I've done that, but I'm so lost right now. So lost. I use the the open-source
01:37:41
forflight clone. I'm trying to remember what it's called. Open maps. Don't look at me, Andrew. What's it called? I have it on
01:37:47
my computer, which is not here. But I use it um because I'm really bad at remembering uh airport codes and
01:37:54
runway numbers and all the things that I need to actually do a flight plan. I also don't fly real planes.
01:38:00
Uh I don't know. Fun fact. Um what are you flying right now? That's cool. It says no 172. Classic. Yeah. Sweet. Do you are you planning on becoming an airline pilot? Is that the
01:38:11
ultimate goal? Either airline or corporate. Recently, I've been swayed over more to the corporate side of aviation. There are a
01:38:17
lot of benefits to that. Like there's one guy I just recently met. He's a pilot for Netflix. He's a senior at San
01:38:24
Jose State actually. Um, and you know, his work life balance sounds really good.
01:38:29
I' Yeah, I've heard it's a good gig. And then also, you get to fly really exciting airplanes. Actually, I don't know. I would assume Netflix owns really
01:38:37
large air. Corporate jets in general just fly higher and go faster. Yeah, exactly. And you need more
01:38:43
exciting ratings that like sound way cooler than uh than jet I guess a jet liner rating is also pretty cool. Like
01:38:48
being responsible like that. I don't know. Way cool. Yo, you're not going to believe this. We were just like hanging out here doing a podcast and all sorts of stuff and some
01:39:01
guy just appeared and I feel like I feel like Oh, look who Marquez. Not at all. Pull up a pull up a chair. Yeah. Where do I sit? Right here. Literally anywhere. Can you say your name and what you do
01:39:15
for a living? Oh. Oh, yeah. I can. Would you like me to? Hi. Okay. We'll we'll just we'll just share this. Yeah. This is a little impromptu.
01:39:22
Yes. Um, so we've been out here all day. Imprompt three. Imprompt three. David's here now. That's
01:39:28
right. Brandon's over there, too. I don't know if you know who Brandon is. Marquez, how's your day been inside Apple Park?
01:39:35
Really good. Uh, I have like 10 minutes before my next briefing cuz you know what they do? They just stack our meetings together.
01:39:40
Let's like let's let's speedun through this. Obviously, the first thing we got to talk about is live translation on the
01:39:46
new AirPods. How is it? Haven't tried it cuz it doesn't exist. Literally about to try it.
01:39:52
Oh, really? Yeah. Damn. All right. Well, next demo. Yeah, but I'm not allowed to talk about it. So, are you serious?
01:39:57
Really? But you can tell me that embargo I can tell you. That means it doesn't work. We'll talk about it anything at the studio until
01:40:03
embargo hits. That is true. That's true. Next question. Orange in person. What's the vibe? Horrible.
01:40:09
It's It's bright. Horrible. I thought it I thought it looked um I don't know, man. In person cuz I don't want to show you
01:40:14
pictures. I want to tell you it's saturated. It's a little bit more than the like Halloween dull orange of a
01:40:20
pumpkin that we might have expected. And I'm just more bummed that there's no neutral dark. Like it's blue or silver.
01:40:27
I want a black iPhone. The dark blue is okay though. It's okay. Yeah, but I get no black.
01:40:33
No space gray. No no no space black. Nothing. Isn't that crazy? Cuz that's like the most popular color of phone is
01:40:39
black. That's Yeah, but the pros are colorful now. You got We got to get with the times. Are Michael Fisher is happy.
01:40:44
Yeah, pros are allowed to have fun. We don't just have to suffer. Just want to have fun as they say. Yeah, that's going to be the title of of of
01:40:51
the I don't know. Either that or orange is the New Black. I think that's Yeah, that's what I keep hearing.
01:40:57
This is crazy. The guy who doesn't watch any TV or movie. She just out referenced Never and we've been talking about it
01:41:02
all. It's not just that. It's like it's it's it's this dude just like comes out and instantly out SEOs. Okay, Marquez, we
01:41:08
got to stay on topic though because you got to be somewhere to be the Air. We got to talk about the air. You put it in your hand. You held it. How does it
01:41:14
feel you guys? I loved it. Yeah. Yeah, similar to the S25 Edge. You see it in person. You see the like the videos and
01:41:21
everything and it looks kind of cool. Wow, they made a thin one. And then you hold it and it's really thin and light and you're like that's that's very
01:41:26
impressive. That's what we all thought about the S25 Edge and then put it away and no one's touched it since. It's true. And you know what? I'm making
01:41:32
a short about this and I'm going to say it in the video. It is a worse phone than the other phones. Okay, it is going to have only one camera. It's going to
01:41:39
have It has to have worse battery life. There's no way it doesn't have way worse battery life. Much worse. um eim only. A couple other
01:41:45
things are a little bit lesser. So, it's promotion. It's a pro chip with one less GPU core. It's going to be a fine
01:41:51
phone. So wild to me that they put the pro chip in the thin phone. Yeah. I'm not sure why they did that. That's crazy. I'm stoked.
01:41:56
They said it was more efficient than the regular chip. Yeah. Which is wild. Okay. So maybe that's why I guess. Yeah. And then promotion is more
01:42:03
efficient than 60 Hz. They kind of needed it, right? Yeah. Yeah. So that makes sense. But I just Yeah.
01:42:09
You hold it and you're just like, "Wow." it. I mean, the soft touch on the back and the way it's like curved around the
01:42:14
sides. It's It feels really good. It really does feel good. I It is one of those things where I'm like, is this
01:42:20
like a gimmick or, you know, it is just to be clear. I mean, it is. Well, okay. So, I'm going to make this
01:42:25
is a whole video idea I've been working on and it's maybe a separate video. Maybe it's the air review, but you either believe that this is just a
01:42:31
oneoff we tried something new and made a thin phone thing or you believe genuinely in your heart that this is how thin that phones are all going to be in
01:42:42
a couple of years. Can I hit you with a third option? It's the foldable folding. It's one half of the fold. They needed
01:42:48
to work on the internals of the foldable to be thinner. So that's why they made this phone. It's like they made the Z they made the thinner Z Fold 7 like 3
01:42:55
months after they made the Edge. Yeah. I think that they just needed to get the internals thinner.
01:43:01
Yeah, totally fair. And they did say they had some lines they snuck in about how like this phone needs Apple silicon
01:43:07
to do what it does and that's why you have this N1 chip. Yeah. N1 C1X and C1X built into N1 and then obviously A19. So there's all these little things that are like, oh, we finally can make a
01:43:18
phone this thin that doesn't suck. Yeah. And they said they had a couple lines about a more dense battery. We'll
01:43:23
see. There's just no way it's I asked them about the battery and they said it's not that it's like a more
01:43:29
dense technology. It's just physically larger. I mean, yeah. Like they crammed more of the components
01:43:35
into that. All the components are basically the chip, some speakers, all the camera, front and backfacing camera are all in
01:43:41
that camera. They just said like it's the same like it's the same battery technology. It's just a bigger physical battery.
01:43:48
We want to kind of wrap it up. Can I flip something on Ellis's head right now? I have a trivia question for both of you that I'm not going to be part of.
01:43:55
I met someone really awesome before who does short form content at 2:30. We asked him since the event
01:44:00
started. How many videos has he released? Prices, right? Rules. Prices Right Rules. You both have a guess. Oh my.
01:44:06
How many has he posted? Since the start of the the event, right? My guess is 12. 12. I'm going over. I saw some people doing
01:44:18
uh just reels of moments of the keynote and I think with that you could easily stack up 10 to 12 and then like products
01:44:25
afterwards could be 10. So I'm going to go with 20. Very close. 25. Yeah, 25. Wait till you guys see what his
01:44:36
That's so crazy because you have somewhere to be. We're going to tape another podcast tomorrow which is actually going to come out
01:44:41
before this uh in the Apple podcast studio. I just want to say this has been a a breath of fresh air. It's so so
01:44:48
great to have you on this beautiful outdoor set. You too, David. This has just been fantastic. This has been
01:44:53
Waveform on the Street version one. You heard it here first. So glad I made it. And uh first, we'll see you first.
01:45:04
Yeah. Yeah. Guess number one. Guest number one. Guess number one. Appreciate that. Yes. We will be back for our normal episode
01:45:10
this Friday. Um unless this this won't come out on a Friday. So I can say that and um
01:45:17
yeah, see you in the next one. Oh, sorry. See you in the next episode. I'm going to do it this time. I want
01:45:25
[Music] Who's your favorite stuff? Hard cut. Mariah. It's definitely Mariah. Miles. Miles. Yes.