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Wait, wait, wait, wait. Adam, what was
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the results of last week's poll?
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>> You don't want to know.
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>> I don't know how to quantify all of
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this.
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>> I have an idea.
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>> Ask Gemini based on the comments what it
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thinks we should do. The audience.
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>> Sorry. Google Gemini was like, "You need
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to fix the chapters."
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>> No,
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>> guys. We do this every week. We fix We
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add chapters every week.
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>> Dude, I've told YouTube to fix chapters.
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Yo, what is up people of the internet?
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Welcome back to another episode of the
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Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm
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Marquez.
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>> I'm Andrew.
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>> I'm David.
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>> And this episode, we've got two of the
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biggest stories probably at least on
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your feed, but maybe of the past couple
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months, which are
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>> the Fitbit Air
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>> and the Ferrari Luche.
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>> Both very much way topics. Uh, plus we
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got a bunch of other stuff. Motorola
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hijacking affiliate links. Uh, a
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professional soccer match shot on
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iPhone. Uh, for audio listeners, I did
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air quotes when I said that.
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>> And, uh, Discoorphism, yeah, is alive.
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You Spotify listeners already know what
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we're talking about there.
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>> Uh, but first, if you didn't already see
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our bonus episode on Tuesday this week,
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we had a fun conversation with Joanna
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Stern. Just, you know, two New Jersey
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tech reporters chopping it up. That's
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what I like to see. Uh, so if you
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haven't already seen that, definitely go
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check it out. If you have and you're not
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subscribed, what are you doing? Get
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subscribed. Make sure you're on board.
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>> Wouldn't have missed it if you were.
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Exactly. Uh, but first, did they even
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test this?
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>> I have a quick one.
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>> That's what I like to hear.
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>> Okay. Maybe this is only on Android
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Auto, Google Maps, but how come on
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Google Maps in your car
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>> Mhm.
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>> when you're when you have a route set,
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it shows the speed limit and when you
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don't have a route set, it doesn't show
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the speed limit.
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>> When you have a root set,
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>> like when you're just driving and don't
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have a final a destination, right,
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>> it does not show the speed limit of the
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road you're on. But if you do have a
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destination, it shows the speed limit
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>> on the UI.
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>> I don't know why I feel like
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>> I should always want to know what the
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speed limit is.
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>> Well, there's interestingly in Google
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Maps. Well, I guess first of all, it's
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more sure about knowing exactly which
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road you're on when you're navigating.
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Sometimes there are roads like
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overpasses and tunnels and stuff where
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it doesn't actually know which road
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you're on, but if you're navigating,
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it's pretty sure which road you're on. I
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don't know if that's true. That feels
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like such a quick overlap that like it
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shouldn't make that much of a
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difference. As long as I'm moving, if
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I'm like stopped under an overpass,
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>> here's why. It is it is estimating how
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long it's going to take to get there
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based on the speed limit, right? So, if
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you don't know where you're going, it
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has no idea how long it's going to take
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to get there. So, it's like go as fast
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as you want.
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>> But I have to assume
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>> logically
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>> officer, I didn't have a destination
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plugged into my Google Maps, therefore
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autobond.
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>> Autobon. Yeah. But yeah, there's so many
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just like back roads where a speed limit
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sign doesn't show up forever.
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>> On the back roads it doesn't matter.
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>> It's true.
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>> On the back roads you're flying off
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rocks.
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>> Not legal advice.
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>> Yeah. Well,
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>> I just think that feels like such an
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>> I feel like it's a setting. It's in the
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settings, isn't it? When it shows a
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speed limit. I don't know if that's true
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or not.
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>> Maybe that's a ways thing.
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>> There has to be a reason for like how it
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knows where you are has something to do
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with you being in movement. Maybe
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>> it's following. It's literally showing
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me live updates on the road that I'm on.
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Like, it's moving with me. It It knows
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the road I'm on. It's going to use the
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same information.
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>> I feel like there has to be a reason for
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this. Maybe it's just trying to
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>> It's Google and they forgot.
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>> I know. I know. I know. I have a good
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reason. Maybe it's because when you're
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not navigating anywhere, they want to
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keep as little stuff on the screen as
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possible so they keep it clean.
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>> There's more space on the screen when
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it's not navigating cuz it doesn't have
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to show me directions. when it doesn't
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have to show you directions. It wants it
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to be cleaner so you can like look
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around and see the roads and like maybe
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you want to navigate somewhere later.
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>> But if you're navigating somewhere, all
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you need to know is your navigation
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router. They have more room for the
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giant volume dial to be
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>> to take up the speed limit that I
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depending on the car. Yeah,
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>> it's like 3% of the bottom right hand
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corner of the screen. I think it could
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show me. It's got plenty of space for
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it.
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>> We're thinking there's zero reason.
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>> It's Google.
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>> It's Google.
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>> That's the reason.
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>> All right.
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>> It has zero reason. Speaking of which,
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and we'll and we'll get to this later. I
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didn't want to make this the Did you
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even test this because it's going to be
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such a big part of the podcast.
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>> I wanted to make it the Did you even
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test this?
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>> We'll talk about the Fitbit Air. We'll
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talk about the Fitbit Air, which I like
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very much to be clear. However,
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>> uh there are many bugs and uh when I
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talked to Google, I got on a phone call
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with them and they said, "We just really
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don't want to make the Did you even test
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this?"
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>> That's hilarious.
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>> Um
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>> the segment has made it out into the
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world. points to you guys for actually
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watching the show. Uh, but unfortunately
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these bugs have not been fixed by
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>> you still have to test it
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>> and it is it is in the wild and people
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can buy it and therefore I'm going to
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have to talk about the bugs.
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>> Send this to the maps team also.
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>> Yeah, true. Maybe they can fix it.
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>> I just found a Reddit thread from two
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years ago asking the same question.
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>> Oh, nice. What does anyone have?
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>> They forgot they're just empty.
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>> This is why I use ways.
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>> Beautiful. Nice. Okay.
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>> I actually found a Reddit thread from
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three years ago. Okay. So,
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>> dude, I tweeted that six years ago.
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>> I guess we're starting with Fitbit Air.
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>> In that case,
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>> you guys already know we put the review
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out uh of the Fitbit Air. Marquez has
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got his orange one. That's the Steph
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Curry special edition.
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>> Sure do.
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>> So does Adam. His came in yesterday, his
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retail unit. It is much nicer than the
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other options that you can buy. For some
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reason, the material is nicer. It It is
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water resistant whereas the other ones
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are not water resistant.
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>> Wait, are you saying the Steph Curry one
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is water resistant?
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>> Correct.
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>> And the others are not.
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>> Correct. Really? You found
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>> they get like it has a water resistant
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coating on it whereas the other ones
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>> even the ribbed ones.
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>> The ribbed ones are water resistant. But
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the what do they call this? The
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>> performance one
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>> performance band. Um yeah, they're not
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water resist. They can get wet and they
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can soak.
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>> I thought it was just a color.
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>> You said that yours felt like wet after
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working out.
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>> Yeah, it still definitely gets damp and
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holds moisture after a workout. So I'm
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kind of I'd be surprised to see if that
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even
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>> I mean look at this. This yours has a
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bunch of rubber on the inside. Yeah,
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this one that one doesn't have any. It's
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literally just the fabric.
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>> So, that's going to be worse.
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>> Yeah, it's not necessarily water
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resistant. Probably just feels less wet.
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>> Well, on the website it says that one's
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water resistant and this one isn't. It
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said it has a water resistant coating.
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>> Interesting.
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>> On the staff on the threads,
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>> someone should test that.
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>> That's what it says. Well, uh, okay. So,
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we have a lot of thoughts because last
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week, uh, we had not yet passed the
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actual review embargo. We had only
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passed the unboxing embargo, which was
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very vague to be clear. Um, this has
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been a problem for many years where
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companies will have multiple embargos
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and people just sort of push the line of
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what it means for something to be a
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review.
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>> Yep.
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>> Famously like Tom's Guide and and Gadget
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and whatever would would call things
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handson review when it was a hands-on
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video. It's a sort of get around the no
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reviews yet thing.
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>> Yeah, I could do an hour and a half on
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this.
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>> Yeah. Yeah.
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>> Um,
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>> I I won't to spare you, but
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>> TLDDR it dumb. We can Yeah, you can
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check the feeds and you can see lots of
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not quite a review but almost kind of a
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review videos out there, but the reviews
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are out now.
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>> Yeah, the actual review embargo was
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Tuesday at 9:00 a.m. Eastern time.
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>> So, now we can actually talk about our
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full thoughts about the Fitbit Air.
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>> We can evaluate it.
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>> We can evaluate it. Uh, of which I have
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many, many, many thoughts. Um, the first
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being like it is incredibly ironic to me
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that this is both a really really good
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device and a really really buggy device.
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>> And my my overall take on this, which
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we'll sort of we'll dive into, is that
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the premium features that you get with
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with Google Health Premium actually make
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this product worse. Worse is an
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interesting take. That's my take.
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Definitely an argument to be made that
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it is not necessarily for most not
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necessary for most people, but make it
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worse is a I want to hear your take on
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it.
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>> I think it's worse.
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>> Okay. I saw other reviewers maybe not
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say exactly like that, but basically
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hint at like what DC Rain Maker used his
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info and his wife and his wife used the
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free, he used the premium and he kept
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pulling them up next to each other and
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basically kept saying like he likes the
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feed of his wife's better because it
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doesn't have so much talkie-talkie.
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>> Yeah. I think a big part of this, and
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this is what I talked about in my
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review, is uh the target demographic.
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What it comes down to is who this is
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for. And I think this specific Fitbit,
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the Fitbit Air, is targeted at Whoop
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users or a lot of people who use other
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screenless fitness trackers, right? And
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it's supposed to be the one that's
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cheaper and it's the one that's from
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Google and it's Fitbit, so you know, you
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can, you know, you know what you get
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from Google. Uh but it's specifically
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the cheaper version of what's already
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out there with the screenless fitness
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trackers. And I think a lot of those are
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probably overkill for most people as far
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as all the data and all the tracking and
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the extremely expensive subscription. So
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this being cheaper and offering like 90%
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of that is slightly slightly less
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advanced but for almost the same person,
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>> right?
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>> You're wearing an Apple Watch right now.
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So am I.
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>> Yeah.
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>> This I would argue is even more beginner
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focused. Like you just kind of count
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steps, calories, and fill your rings and
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that's it. It's not personalized. as
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your heart rate zones are the same for
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everyone no matter your age. Like
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there's not a lot of uh calibration to
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who you are as an athlete. It's just
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kind of like Yeah. Get up every hour
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like stand up. Yeah. Get some exercise
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minutes in. So there's a spectrum of who
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these products are for. Yeah.
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>> And this kind of I think it fits in
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somewhere in the middle.
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>> Well, there's a strange reason for that
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cuz I feel like the Apple Watch,
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especially the Ultra, pulls more
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information than like the Fitbit Air
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pulls, but the actual information that
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it shows you on a day-to-day basis and
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tries to get you to interact with is
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much less. Because Apple has Apple
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started with the Apple Watch being a
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gadget and it slowly became a fitness
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device.
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>> Exactly.
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>> They didn't like anticipate that to
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happen, but over time they're like, "Oh,
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the Apple Watch is actually just like a
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fitness tracker, but it is also a
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watch."
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>> Mhm. So, the thing about the the Fitbit
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Air that's interesting is like you said,
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it's people who aspire to be Whoop
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people because Whoop people sort of
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indicates that you are like a hardcore
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fitness person, but those people it
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might be inaccessible for those people
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because the minimum subscription of a
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Whoop is $200 a year.
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>> Mhm.
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>> And and then it becomes a brick if you
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don't pay for it, which is actually
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insane.
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>> It's the worst part. So, the thing about
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the Fitbit Air, if you use the base
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Google Health um app, which is what they
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call it now, they transitioned uh Fitbit
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to Google Health. A lot of people are
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very angry about that because it was a
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buggy transition for a lot of people. I
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saw all these tweets this morning of
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people who lost all of their data, all
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of their Fitbit data, like didn't make
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the transition
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>> or like runs just showing up as workouts
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and not runs. Yeah,
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>> there's a bunch of random bugs.
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>> The data just got really messed up. So,
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in the base Google Health app, it just
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shows you all of your metrics, right? It
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collects things like your steps, your
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cardio load, your sleep, like all of
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that information. And then the base
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Google Health app, it just shows all
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that data front and center. If you have
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the premium version of the app, what the
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premium version does is honestly, I feel
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like Google should pay you to use the
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premium version because they just stick
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Gemini in as many places as possible.
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And not only do they stick it there to
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as an option to use, they just generate
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summaries of every single thing that you
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do.
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>> So on the front page, like the main tab,
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there's always a giant block of text.
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>> Yeah, this reminds me of the new like
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Nest AI update where I wanted the AI
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update because it would in individual
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events make it easier to search for
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things, but every time I go to my
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cameras, there's like four paragraphs
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that I have to scroll past. Like, I
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don't want that. I don't need to read
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about this every time. Maybe let me pick
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to read it.
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>> But this looks terrible with like nice
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clean UI on top with a couple buttons
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and then just text.
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>> That was going to be my take too is that
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I don't not like the AI coach. Like it's
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cool. It's fun to play with. It's like
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relatively useful. Maybe not in the
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grand scheme of things, but like just
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for me messing around, whatever.
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>> I wish it was a separate tab. Like why
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is it front and center
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>> or if it was truncated? You could expand
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it. If I open up my app, I just want to
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see all of my like data.
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>> If you pay the hundred bucks though, you
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want to see what you paid 100 bucks for
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front like front and center, right?
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>> No, I want to know it's there. I don't
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want to necessarily see it all the time.
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>> If it's the free version and you don't
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have it, sure, you're not going to
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notice that you don't have it. But if
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you pay the hundred bucks a year, I want
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to see that like pretty early. I think
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it's safe to say that like you though
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could be someone who wants to ask the AI
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coach questions and then help that in
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some senses like create a workout blah
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blah blah but don't always want it in
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your like quick like this feels like it
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should be a the homepage should be like
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a quick glance at things. So like under
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this is workouts, right?
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>> You're stealing the words right out of
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my mouth. Goodness. That first should be
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glancible.
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>> It should be glancible. This is not a
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glancible text. So I feel like
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>> you can customize this, by the way. You
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can make this six things.
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>> This This is But like underneath it
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usually then tracks shows your
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individual workouts that you can click
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into. Right.
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>> The top 40% is glancible. The bottom 40%
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is like all the coach information that
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it
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>> like I think that could be a or at least
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an option to be a separate tab. Like I
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would probably just want to see my
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workouts and quickly go into them, but I
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could see some benefit of still
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contacting the coach and asking
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questions and having a chat log.
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>> I use it all the time.
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>> I like it. I just the main page.
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>> Yeah, the main page feed of it yapping
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all the time feels insane. One of the
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biggest problems I have with the Gemini
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integration as the coach though is that
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it feels like the coach like the Gemini
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coach doesn't it has access to the data
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that it collects but it doesn't always
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look at it. So for example uh at like
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5:00 p.m. it was like are you still
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going to hit your 10 a.m. workout of
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which I had already done. You know it
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didn't have that information.
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>> Uh it asked me if I was going to go on a
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long walk when I had already gone on a
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long walk. It like randomly set a random
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number of calories that I had eaten that
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was not the amount of calories that I
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had eaten ingested into the app. Yeah.
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And there are all these metrics that you
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can look at in the app and you can see
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the data is right there. But Gemini
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doesn't seem to pull that data all the
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time. It does it like randomly and
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sometimes but it doesn't do it like
00:14:00
correctly every time and then sometimes
00:14:02
it just hallucinates information. does
00:14:04
fit had an instance where it has the
00:14:07
information on what his bedtime was and
00:14:09
then 20 minutes after his bedtime was
00:14:11
sending him uh tips on how to get better
00:14:14
sleep that night for a better recovery.
00:14:15
It's like I'm asleep already. This is
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past the bedtime that's listed inside of
00:14:19
the app that you're pulling from.
00:14:21
>> Yeah. And then I don't know it just so
00:14:23
multiple times throughout the day the
00:14:24
Gemini coach will give you little
00:14:26
summaries of things that you've done.
00:14:28
>> So notifi notifies you.
00:14:30
>> Yeah. Yeah. But it is so it happens so
00:14:33
much. Like I went on a 19minute walk to
00:14:35
the coffee shop and it was like that
00:14:37
19-minute walk was so great. Dave, I
00:14:39
didn't set a walk or anything. It just
00:14:41
automatically created a summary and it
00:14:43
was like you slowed down around minute
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10. Did you hit a red light? And I'm
00:14:46
like I went I walked to the cafe.
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>> I do not see why I need a summary of
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this or why you need me to explain
00:14:53
myself? You know, it's just it's very
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strange.
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>> I I think there's a middle ground. like
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all these features with the with the
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coach are very like beginner focused I
00:15:02
think where a lot of people see all this
00:15:03
data but they don't know how to
00:15:04
interpret it. A lot of people look at
00:15:06
the the Apple Health app which is full
00:15:08
of data. Tons and tons of information
00:15:10
that's being gathered by your Apple
00:15:11
Watch
00:15:12
>> and then don't really know what to do
00:15:14
with that information or or how to
00:15:16
contextualize it or even know if that
00:15:18
number is high or low or if it's
00:15:19
trending up or down and what should I do
00:15:21
with this. So the idea of the coach or
00:15:23
the AI coach or the summaries and all
00:15:25
this stuff is to give you some
00:15:27
actionable something based on the
00:15:29
information that it's collecting. It's
00:15:31
not very good yet. AI still
00:15:32
hallucinates. We still want it to be way
00:15:34
better, but that's the idea behind it.
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And I I think for us, it's probably not
00:15:38
targeted towards us. If we if we're
00:15:40
we've used Garmins, we've used Apple
00:15:41
Watches, we know what we're doing with a
00:15:42
lot of this stuff. But for the very
00:15:44
beginner who's just like, I don't know,
00:15:45
I've been closing my rings for a while,
00:15:47
but should I be doing more steps per
00:15:49
day? Should I be drinking more water?
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That's ideally what this is for.
00:15:53
>> I think a good middle ground to that
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though that would help my just
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glanceable aspect of this is,
00:15:58
>> you know, if that front page shows the
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metrics up top, then has the bottom part
00:16:01
that would show workouts. If then it
00:16:03
just had a button that's just like
00:16:06
that would trigger what you want from
00:16:08
the coach. So like maybe at the top it
00:16:09
says like how's my day going so far? Or
00:16:12
like what should I prioritize tonight?
00:16:13
How was my last workout? that would cuz
00:16:16
it's just taking up so much room to
00:16:18
assume that every time you look at it or
00:16:20
three or four times a day it's going to
00:16:22
give you another
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>> wall of text.
00:16:24
>> Yeah,
00:16:25
>> that's I think my issue is like I just
00:16:27
don't need to see that text all the
00:16:28
time. give me a little button to press
00:16:30
and like that's when popup AI coach
00:16:32
>> to to Google's credit when I was talking
00:16:33
to them on the phone they were I I told
00:16:35
them like why do I need you know a a
00:16:38
summary when I went on a 19-minute walk
00:16:39
and they said they don't want to tell
00:16:42
people what exercise is you know cuz to
00:16:45
some people
00:16:46
>> to some people a 2-hour walk is nothing
00:16:48
to some people a 20-minut walk is
00:16:50
something so they don't want to
00:16:52
necessarily be like you didn't do
00:16:53
exercise versus you did do exercise and
00:16:55
that's fair and honestly I think that
00:16:57
Fitbits traditionally have sort of been
00:16:59
geared towards like beginners who like
00:17:01
want to get into fitness.
00:17:03
>> Um, but it's funny because like I feel
00:17:05
like this is targeted towards the whoop,
00:17:07
the people who want whoops but don't
00:17:09
want to pay the money for a Whoop. So, I
00:17:11
feel like it should be more a little
00:17:12
more geared. When I was first writing my
00:17:14
review, I was like this is this is like
00:17:16
for people who are thinking about
00:17:18
getting a Whoop or who do have a Whoop,
00:17:20
but they really don't need one.
00:17:21
>> Yeah. Yeah. And this is this is way
00:17:23
better for them and way less expensive
00:17:26
for all the 75% of the things that they
00:17:28
were using the Whoop. Now they're using
00:17:29
100% of the Fitbit and it's still fine.
00:17:31
>> Yeah,
00:17:31
>> I agree. I think there are a lot of
00:17:33
Whoop users who are tired of paying all
00:17:35
the time and kind of know what all
00:17:37
you're going to get the same stats
00:17:38
pretty much, but now you can pay once
00:17:40
and that's deal. The Whoop subreddit is
00:17:42
a lot of people looking at the Fitbit
00:17:43
right now.
00:17:44
>> Oh, interesting. Yeah. some other crazy
00:17:46
bugs that I had um when this is still
00:17:49
occurring on my app. So, waiting to be
00:17:51
fixed. By the way, Google put out a road
00:17:54
map of bug fixes yesterday on the day of
00:17:57
launch.
00:17:57
>> That's a lot of bugs.
00:17:58
>> They probably should have fixed them
00:17:59
before the launch or like, you know,
00:18:02
made the app work before they announced
00:18:04
a launch date
00:18:05
>> probably.
00:18:06
>> But there's a lot of bugs. There's a lot
00:18:07
of bugs on there. Anyway, this is what
00:18:09
my workout
00:18:10
>> That's still insane that you're looking.
00:18:12
They still look like this for for audio
00:18:14
listeners. It's like,
00:18:15
>> what workout is that?
00:18:16
>> Literally just starting at a strength
00:18:18
workout.
00:18:18
>> Strength workout.
00:18:19
>> Any sort of workout that I do,
00:18:20
>> it gets worse as I look at it and
00:18:22
there's only four elements on the
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>> So, there's a gray rectangle in the
00:18:26
center that only has three data points.
00:18:28
One is cardio load and it's giant. The
00:18:30
other one is heart rate and energy
00:18:31
burned and they are not aligned at all.
00:18:34
And then there's giant black boxes
00:18:37
around it. And then the pause button is
00:18:39
also sort of just randomly offset.
00:18:41
>> To me, this is a Did you even test this?
00:18:43
Mine looks fine when I start a strength
00:18:44
workout, but for some reason heart rate
00:18:47
does not have a unit and energy burned
00:18:49
does have a unit.
00:18:50
>> Well, cuz you don't have the
00:18:52
>> right. No, it never does have a unit
00:18:54
when I even when I really it never shows
00:18:56
BPM.
00:18:57
>> Mine Mine does sometimes. Sometimes it
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doesn't show any of this information
00:19:01
until I finish the workout and then it
00:19:02
gives me all the information.
00:19:04
>> Um, but it continuously has this problem
00:19:06
which is pretty insane.
00:19:07
>> Yours says energy burned and the unit is
00:19:08
like cut off by the UI of the pause
00:19:10
button which should be at the bottom.
00:19:11
Wait, you don't have a timer on that at
00:19:14
all. Marquez has had
00:19:15
>> your timer is being covered up. For some
00:19:17
reason, the bottom of your app is just
00:19:19
totally messed up. I don't know why.
00:19:20
>> When I Well, when I talked to them, they
00:19:22
said they hadn't really tested it in
00:19:23
dark mode.
00:19:24
>> Well, there's the Did you even test it?
00:19:26
>> Which is the really When they told me
00:19:28
that, I was like, "Wow." Okay,
00:19:31
>> that's crazy.
00:19:31
>> That screen needs a heart rate zone. I'm
00:19:34
confused about why there's so many bugs
00:19:36
for things like that because this has
00:19:38
basically been out since like what
00:19:39
October or November in the Fitbit public
00:19:42
beta. Like I've had this UI for months.
00:19:45
>> So, how does it still not
00:19:46
>> I do not know.
00:19:48
>> I don't know.
00:19:48
>> It is strange. It is strange. Um,
00:19:51
>> see this uh this is my I'll take a
00:19:53
screenshot for the pod listeners. The
00:19:54
the calories burned says calories and is
00:19:57
slightly higher than the heart rate
00:19:59
which should say yours is offset too.
00:20:01
So, it's just a little bit offset, but I
00:20:02
do have the time down there cuz the
00:20:04
pause button is supposed to be at the
00:20:05
bottom. Yours is like moved up over the
00:20:06
clock, which is weird.
00:20:08
>> Well, and it's two different like dark
00:20:09
mode backgrounds on David. It's like a
00:20:11
gray and a black black. Um, which is
00:20:13
super messed up. This I don't mind this
00:20:15
screen in general if dark mode work.
00:20:18
>> That obviously needs to be aligned
00:20:19
properly. I would love the option to put
00:20:22
a heart rate zone graph on this. I feel
00:20:25
like so many people appreciate that in
00:20:27
terms of uh live
00:20:29
>> certain types of workouts. Yeah,
00:20:30
>> there's not as much customization. Like
00:20:32
I I think a lot of these should have
00:20:34
more customized layouts for while you're
00:20:36
working out.
00:20:36
>> This feels like a layout that is meant
00:20:38
for customization. Like this is just
00:20:39
giving you so many options because of
00:20:41
how blank and simple it is. Um
00:20:44
>> other ways where Gemini just doesn't
00:20:45
seem to be connected to your actual data
00:20:48
that you're collecting.
00:20:49
>> On the first day that I use this, uh I
00:20:51
woke up and it sort of prompts you when
00:20:53
you wake up. It tells you how you slept
00:20:54
and then it says, "Are you planning
00:20:56
anything for today?"
00:20:57
>> And I said, "I'm going to go on a pretty
00:20:58
long walk this morning." and said,
00:21:00
"That's cool. Let me know how long the
00:21:01
walk is when you get back." Which first
00:21:03
of all, shouldn't it just be tracking
00:21:04
that? Um, kind of strange. So, I was
00:21:06
like, "Okay, I will." And I got back
00:21:08
from my walk and I said, "That was 127
00:21:11
minutes." And it immediately is like,
00:21:12
"Hm, interesting. I see a 127 minute
00:21:15
walk that I've already logged. Do you
00:21:17
want me to delete it?" I was like, "But
00:21:19
>> it did that for me, too." I so it it it
00:21:22
feels like Gemini the the LLM is like
00:21:25
not really talking correctly to the data
00:21:28
sets. That is interesting. Yeah. A lot
00:21:30
of my Gemini stuff is telling me it's
00:21:32
based on the conversations that I've had
00:21:34
with it. So at setup I was like here's
00:21:35
my 7-day week schedule. I have like
00:21:37
games on weekends, practice on
00:21:38
Wednesdays, and it looks at the weather.
00:21:40
It's like hey it's going to be hot
00:21:41
today. You have practice later, hydrate.
00:21:43
Like that stuff makes sense. But it's
00:21:44
not
00:21:45
>> You're right. Like a lot of that's not
00:21:46
coming from the workouts that I've
00:21:48
already done. the actual data that it
00:21:50
collects on.
00:21:51
>> Yeah.
00:21:51
>> I feel like another example of it
00:21:53
focusing way more on the AI part and not
00:21:56
on the data set. Um, if you watch DC
00:21:59
Rain Makaker's review, at one point he
00:22:01
like does a workout and jokingly sends a
00:22:03
picture of like chips and queso and a
00:22:06
glass of wine and says like, "Is this a
00:22:07
good recovery?" Like testing. He's like,
00:22:09
"Is this a good recovery meal?"
00:22:11
>> And he was like, "No, no." And then like
00:22:13
after every single workout, it's like,
00:22:16
"Oh, you'll do a great job getting those
00:22:18
calories back with the queso and roses
00:22:20
tonight." And just keeps mentioning it
00:22:22
over and over. It like never forgets the
00:22:24
things.
00:22:24
>> I want to coin this like AI fixation or
00:22:26
something because Gemini does this for
00:22:28
me all the time anyway. And yesterday I
00:22:30
ate a I ate a chicken burrito for lunch
00:22:33
and I wanted to test the like food
00:22:35
logging feature that it has because
00:22:36
another one of the features with the
00:22:38
premium subscription that you can log
00:22:40
food by taking pictures of it. knows
00:22:42
what it is. He famously never has worked
00:22:44
ever with any product. It works okay
00:22:46
with macro factor, which is what I use
00:22:47
for calorie tracking. I'm impressed cuz
00:22:49
I've never gotten it to work.
00:22:50
>> I'll never believe that any of those
00:22:52
work on any
00:22:55
burrito. It's closed. You can't see
00:22:56
what's inside.
00:22:57
>> I cut it open. I cut it open. There's no
00:23:00
>> And it could tell the size of the
00:23:02
burrito and how much chicken was in.
00:23:03
>> It's probably not accurate.
00:23:05
>> It is not accurate. And that's all a
00:23:07
calorie tracker is supposed to be is
00:23:09
accurate. One thing though that I think
00:23:11
it would work with and I want to test it
00:23:12
out because I haven't seen it yet. I saw
00:23:14
that people have been able to like write
00:23:16
down like their exercises, their
00:23:19
weights, their reps in like a on a piece
00:23:21
of paper and take a picture of that and
00:23:23
you can trans that makes sense.
00:23:25
>> Um I don't know why you would do that
00:23:27
when there's like a thousand apps that
00:23:28
do it. But
00:23:29
>> yeah, I was I guess some people do some
00:23:31
people using apps like I just never do
00:23:33
it. That's fair.
00:23:34
>> There are a lot of people who yeah have
00:23:35
like workout notebooks and then just
00:23:37
being able to log it with a picture
00:23:39
actually sounds like a great
00:23:40
>> to the point about my chicken burrito.
00:23:42
>> Like I I logged the chicken burrito with
00:23:44
like the the logging thing and then for
00:23:46
the next like two days it was just like
00:23:49
that chicken burrito is really fueling
00:23:50
your recovery. It was like 2 days later.
00:23:53
I was like it really locks in. It's like
00:23:56
it's trying to impress you with it
00:23:57
remembering something. I think that's
00:23:58
what it is.
00:23:59
>> Yeah. Yeah. Um, and then yesterday it
00:24:02
ran at the end of the day it was like
00:24:03
you did a great job. You had 117 grams
00:24:06
of protein and I had 157 logged. So I
00:24:09
don't it is just like there's random
00:24:11
information that
00:24:12
>> like in the app said 157 but in the
00:24:14
Gemini thing said 117.
00:24:15
>> No in uh in the app it said 157 and then
00:24:18
the Gemini prompt. Yeah. Told me
00:24:21
>> I will give give it to to Fitbit. They
00:24:24
they do a really good job of ingesting
00:24:26
information from other apps. So
00:24:28
>> Apple Health on the iPhone, if you use
00:24:30
the iPhone, Apple Health ingests
00:24:32
information from Macroactor, which is my
00:24:34
like calorie tracking app, from uh
00:24:36
Fitbod, which is my like workout app.
00:24:38
And then Google Apple Apple Health feeds
00:24:40
into Google Health. So it actually has
00:24:43
all of my calorie stuff. It has all that
00:24:45
stuff. And that's really nice because
00:24:47
everything is just built in there, but
00:24:48
then it will just randomly hallucinate
00:24:51
information, too.
00:24:52
>> So yeah, I don't know. I think the main
00:24:54
problem I see with this is that it just
00:24:56
feels like Gemini and the data set are
00:24:58
not a cohesive like integrated thing.
00:25:01
They seem like they're separate things
00:25:03
and it messes up a lot.
00:25:05
>> Yeah.
00:25:05
>> All of that being said, I still really
00:25:07
like this product.
00:25:08
>> Yeah,
00:25:09
>> it has really amazing battery life. Like
00:25:11
I they say it's 7 days and I started
00:25:14
using this 8 days ago and it's still
00:25:17
alive at 19%.
00:25:19
>> Yeah, I feel like I got the worst
00:25:20
battery life of everybody I watched the
00:25:21
reviews of. What was your
00:25:22
>> It was supposed to be seven days and I
00:25:23
think I got to the end of day six and it
00:25:25
was dead.
00:25:25
>> Six hour workouts a day probably.
00:25:27
>> Well, I do like maybe
00:25:28
>> I've been doing a lot of workouts, too.
00:25:30
>> I got mine at roughly 5:00 p.m. 5 Yeah,
00:25:33
like 5:00 p.m. yesterday and it is now
00:25:35
at 70%. So, it's
00:25:37
>> Did you charge it to full?
00:25:38
>> No, I unboxed it. It was at like 75%.
00:25:42
>> That's important.
00:25:43
It's very important.
00:25:44
>> All right, Gemini over there. Um, also
00:25:46
when you start a workout, there's just
00:25:48
like a list and it's just kind of it's
00:25:50
not that favorites. They should learn
00:25:52
from Whoop here. You should be as soon
00:25:53
as you start doing workouts, it should
00:25:55
put those favorites at the top.
00:25:56
>> Yes.
00:25:56
>> You start a workout and you're like,
00:25:58
"Which type of workout is it?" Well, it
00:25:59
should have a small list of the most
00:26:00
recent or most common workouts. The
00:26:02
Apple Watch does that, too. As soon as I
00:26:03
go to make a workout, it's like, "Oh,
00:26:04
here's the most recent ones you've
00:26:06
done."
00:26:06
>> Yeah.
00:26:06
>> That's like an easy
00:26:07
>> or like just being able to customize it
00:26:09
at least. And
00:26:09
>> Yeah. Yeah. A couple favorites in there.
00:26:11
Yeah. Uh, that should be easy. One last
00:26:14
bug I had that I was able to fix by
00:26:16
logging out and logging back in is that
00:26:17
when I went to the friends and family
00:26:18
section where you can like make friends
00:26:20
and have leaderboards and stuff, it
00:26:22
would just have a spinning dial and then
00:26:23
it would go away and the whole screen
00:26:25
would just turn black.
00:26:26
>> A lot. It seems like there were quite a
00:26:27
few of those where like uh heart rate
00:26:30
variability or something would like have
00:26:32
the graph but not the number and you'd
00:26:33
have to log out and log back in. It just
00:26:35
seems like a lot of data points
00:26:38
>> go missing in the middle of the app.
00:26:40
>> Side note, I completely forgot that was
00:26:42
a thing. I am challenging you guys.
00:26:43
>> Oh, challenge me now on the Fitbit.
00:26:45
>> Yeah. Well, I'm crushing David Kogan and
00:26:47
Cherylyn right now.
00:26:48
>> I I
00:26:49
>> 50,000 steps a week.
00:26:50
>> Kogan has a whole coffee shop to run.
00:26:52
That's cheating.
00:26:53
>> That's a lot of steps.
00:26:54
>> I know. Pretty good. I have another bug
00:26:56
that is
00:26:57
>> probably more of a flex than a bug. But
00:26:59
you you get low heart rate notifications
00:27:00
for anything under 50.
00:27:03
>> So, I just get them all day.
00:27:04
>> He's like, "You're so relaxed."
00:27:05
>> Like, low heart rate, low heart rate.
00:27:07
Hey, if you're if you're dizzier later,
00:27:08
it's probably because of this. I'm like,
00:27:10
it's not. It's fine. Yeah. This is how
00:27:11
we find out Marquez is actually always
00:27:13
just napping in front of his computer
00:27:14
and none of us can tell.
00:27:15
>> It I didn't It doesn't let me change
00:27:17
what the low heart rate notification.
00:27:19
>> Oh, really? Oh, it doesn't let you go.
00:27:21
>> Oh, it's You can change it to 40.
00:27:23
>> Wait, hold on. Wait, wait.
00:27:24
>> So, it should show that in the
00:27:26
notification. The default is 50.
00:27:28
>> The default is 50. And then it says,
00:27:29
"Would you like to dismiss?" And I'm
00:27:31
like, "Yes." And then it just tells me
00:27:32
again. Okay. So, 40 is the lowest you
00:27:34
get notification.
00:27:35
>> Found a new bug. I can't add you guys.
00:27:37
>> Wait, does your spin to Does it have a
00:27:39
black screen? It just won't open up show
00:27:41
phone contacts.
00:27:42
>> Yeah, these are all on my lowar
00:27:43
notifications.
00:27:43
>> Oh, there's a show phone contact
00:27:44
>> 40s system.
00:27:46
>> Oh yeah, there's there's a lot of bugs.
00:27:48
This is such a weird product because
00:27:50
despite all the bugs, I still think it's
00:27:53
a great value.
00:27:54
>> It's so weird.
00:27:55
>> It is a great value.
00:27:56
>> Yeah, this is the weirdest value.
00:27:57
>> I think this is proof that if you make a
00:27:59
really good product and I hopefully most
00:28:01
of the bugs are software and you hope
00:28:02
that they can fix them is like I still
00:28:04
think this is great. I think I might get
00:28:06
one. I think this blows Whoop out of the
00:28:10
water. Obviously, I'm a certified Whoop
00:28:12
hater, but my my like take on this is if
00:28:16
you want a screenless wearable, this is
00:28:19
it for 99% of the people and the 1% of
00:28:21
people who want a Whoop. 99% of that 1%,
00:28:25
you don't need the Whoop. You're just
00:28:26
telling yourself you need the Whoop. The
00:28:27
Fitbit is totally fine and it's $100 for
00:28:30
the rest of your life.
00:28:31
>> I don't see any reason.
00:28:32
>> You don't really need the AI.
00:28:34
>> I don't think you need the subscription.
00:28:35
Google is like, so now Google has a
00:28:37
thing where if you have AI pro or AI
00:28:39
premium, it also comes with YouTube
00:28:42
Premium Light for free and it comes with
00:28:44
Google Health for free.
00:28:46
>> Premium light. Yeah, it's a newer It's a
00:28:48
newer thing.
00:28:49
>> Okay.
00:28:49
>> Lessum less.
00:28:51
>> And I think we need to give Google
00:28:53
credit that they made a product that is
00:28:57
really, really good without the
00:28:58
subscription. and the subscription maybe
00:29:00
gives you some super niche things, but
00:29:02
like usually they're like, "Here's all
00:29:03
the niche things and we're gonna throw
00:29:05
one or two super critical things in
00:29:07
there that you're actually paying a ton
00:29:09
of money for and we can make it super
00:29:10
expensive because AI, but like
00:29:12
>> there's like 99% of the things you would
00:29:14
want are in the included are in the
00:29:16
>> I think most people should have without
00:29:17
the subscription.
00:29:18
>> That is what I think Whoop should do
00:29:20
moving forward. I think they should
00:29:21
offer a bunch of stuff just by default
00:29:23
for free and then if you really want
00:29:26
their hardcore tracking, which a lot of
00:29:27
people do if you're getting a Whoop,
00:29:29
then that's what you pay for.
00:29:30
>> Yeah. Well, Whoop's too busy trying to
00:29:31
give out a bunch of free memberships to
00:29:33
endless cards or whatever and but like
00:29:36
>> another big reason why I think the
00:29:37
Fitbit is such a good deal is because it
00:29:39
just exposes how bad of a deal the Whoop
00:29:41
is right now.
00:29:42
>> Yes. It also
00:29:42
>> Yeah.
00:29:43
>> It's half the thickness.
00:29:45
>> Yeah. It's also smaller and thinner.
00:29:48
>> Yeah. just the the comparisons on wrist
00:29:50
is like why would you ever wear the
00:29:52
Whoop that this looks so much nicer. I
00:29:54
haven't worn it yet. I think I am going
00:29:55
to get
00:29:55
>> I'm really excited for the third party
00:29:56
ecosystem that makes like bicep straps
00:29:59
and like chest straps.
00:30:00
>> Yeah, that was another thing I mentioned
00:30:01
cuz there's a ton of accessories for the
00:30:03
others and the Whoop especially, but
00:30:04
it's just the wristbands for this right
00:30:06
now. But obviously being thinner and
00:30:08
lighter and smaller, I feel like people
00:30:10
are going to want to put this on the
00:30:11
bicep or whatever, the chest strap, all
00:30:13
the other accessories will be
00:30:14
>> cuz the actual puck on this is very very
00:30:16
tiny. Yeah.
00:30:17
>> Yeah. So,
00:30:18
>> one thing I've been thinking about is
00:30:20
this isn't really a new product. N
00:30:22
>> this is just a Fitbit.
00:30:23
>> Yeah.
00:30:24
>> I had this 10 years ago and they just
00:30:26
released a new band and everyone's
00:30:27
losing their mind.
00:30:28
>> No screen, no time.
00:30:28
>> Yeah.
00:30:29
>> Well, that's what happens when your
00:30:31
competitor is scamming people
00:30:33
essentially.
00:30:34
>> Well, it's also funny that the original
00:30:35
Fitbits didn't have screens and then we
00:30:37
slowly moved towards screens as
00:30:39
wearables became more popular because I
00:30:40
was like, "Cool, smart watches, smart
00:30:42
watches." And now everyone's like, "Ah,
00:30:43
notifications, notifications. I don't
00:30:44
want those."
00:30:45
>> New concept of a screenless wearable.
00:30:47
Everything is a flat circle. So,
00:30:48
>> can I give my couple wishes for 2.0?
00:30:51
>> Sure.
00:30:52
>> Cuz I think I am going to get one of
00:30:53
these, but this is what I want.
00:30:54
>> Air 2.0 or Google Health app 2.0.
00:30:57
>> Uh, Fitbit Air 2.0 cuz some of these are
00:30:59
hardware things. Uh, no, maybe they
00:31:01
could. Okay. I know I'm a broken record
00:31:03
saying I want notifications. I think
00:31:05
it's it has the vibration motor already.
00:31:07
I think for the Air Force
00:31:14
need to just let me say this. Sometimes
00:31:17
I just want to know if I have a phone
00:31:19
call without it buzzing in my pocket. So
00:31:21
it should just if it buzzes on my wrist,
00:31:23
I have a phone call. That's so simple
00:31:25
and so easy and it can do it.
00:31:26
>> I guess that's okay.
00:31:28
>> Or the little notification thing just
00:31:30
blinks. Then it's just like every once
00:31:33
in a while I'm like, "Oh, that's
00:31:34
blinking on." It has an LED light that
00:31:36
can blink that only blinks for pairing,
00:31:38
right?
00:31:38
>> And battery
00:31:39
>> and battery. But like that should be
00:31:41
able to blink and just see like, "Cool.
00:31:43
I have some text messages. I can look at
00:31:45
my phone later."
00:31:45
>> Okay. seems super simple. Um
00:31:48
>> the the app uh live metric screen needs
00:31:52
heart rate zones.
00:31:53
>> Yeah,
00:31:53
>> it would be really sick if in in the
00:31:55
future it had like a couple LEDs on the
00:31:57
side that were different colors and
00:31:58
could just show live up heart rate zones
00:32:01
on the the side of the watch.
00:32:02
>> It's actually close to a dealbreaker for
00:32:04
me that the live HIT workout does not
00:32:06
show you what heart rate zone you're in.
00:32:07
>> Yes. I think so many people, especially
00:32:09
now, target heart rate zones during
00:32:12
workouts, especially cardio workouts.
00:32:13
>> Yeah. Wait, even on the phone? The phone
00:32:15
doesn't show the graph. It does show a
00:32:17
heart rate, but it doesn't zones like or
00:32:20
anything.
00:32:20
>> Okay.
00:32:21
>> Um, and then this is so niche, but I use
00:32:24
my watch so often to find my phone when
00:32:26
I misplace it. So, if there's some sort
00:32:28
of a gesture that could make my phone
00:32:29
ring.
00:32:30
>> Oh, yeah.
00:32:30
>> That would be awesome.
00:32:31
>> That didn't go off by accident all the
00:32:33
time.
00:32:33
>> That would be the biggest issue and
00:32:34
probably why that will never happen. But
00:32:36
I'm a
00:32:37
>> Yeah.
00:32:37
>> While we're wishing, give me give me
00:32:39
Google Pay.
00:32:40
>> Google Pay.
00:32:41
>> NFC NFC thing. No screen. While we're
00:32:44
Yeah,
00:32:45
>> while we're adding things, how about a
00:32:47
screen?
00:32:48
>> Uh, I just want to know the time. I just
00:32:50
want to look and see the time.
00:32:51
>> Yeah.
00:32:52
>> I've I've gone past the I'm fine with it
00:32:53
not having time.
00:32:54
>> Okay,
00:32:55
>> cool. No time.
00:32:56
>> Random. One last question. Do you think
00:32:57
Apple should make a screenless fitness
00:32:59
tracker? Yes.
00:33:00
>> Alongside the Apple Watch.
00:33:01
>> Dude, if they made like a thin one cuz
00:33:03
Fitbit used to make like a thin sort of
00:33:04
like stylish one. I think if Apple did
00:33:06
that would be game over. Initially, this
00:33:08
is why I've been going so hard down this
00:33:10
road was because I wanted Apple
00:33:12
specifically to make one because I loved
00:33:14
using the Apple Watch and Apple Health
00:33:15
and everything, but I didn't like
00:33:17
wearing an Apple Watch.
00:33:18
>> So, I wanted just another little band
00:33:20
like the Nike Fuel Band from back in the
00:33:22
day. I think if you really want to cook
00:33:24
Whoop, like they have all the bones to
00:33:26
make the ideal like privacy focused.
00:33:29
Your data never leaves the device. You
00:33:30
don't have to have a screen, but it's
00:33:31
connected to your phone obviously
00:33:33
because it's an Apple fitness tracker.
00:33:35
will tell you when you have notific
00:33:46
health app with this new Apple
00:33:48
intelligence obviously powered by Gemini
00:33:50
but potentially giving you some tips and
00:33:52
you know stand hours closing your rings
00:33:53
but maybe a little more personalization
00:33:55
they can do something like that.
00:33:57
>> Yeah.
00:33:57
>> But Apple Watch
00:33:59
>> Apple's always been big about the
00:34:00
glancible style too. So if you can just
00:34:02
like see that someone's wearing an
00:34:05
>> fitness little white knit band on
00:34:07
everybody's wrist, it's like Yeah.
00:34:09
>> I think this Fitbit Air, one of the
00:34:10
biggest things about it is we're already
00:34:13
seeing Garmin potentially coming out
00:34:14
with like I think this is starting
00:34:16
though. Like guys, all of us make these
00:34:19
sensors already. We can literally just
00:34:20
make them with less money.
00:34:23
>> Like they're all realizing like we can
00:34:25
make a ton of money off of this. And
00:34:27
Whoop is probably not just scared of
00:34:28
Fitbit, but they're scared of the fact
00:34:30
that everyone else realizes that they
00:34:32
can make these.
00:34:32
>> There is still an opportunity, a market
00:34:34
opportunity, and I've thought about
00:34:35
making this of someone making a watch
00:34:38
band for regular watches that just
00:34:40
happens to have the tracking sensors on
00:34:42
the bottom of the watch band.
00:34:43
>> People have been, at least on my feed,
00:34:45
trying to do this already.
00:34:46
>> They've been slapping that on.
00:34:47
>> I've been tagged like five times with
00:34:49
pictures like that already,
00:34:50
>> but they look kind of bad and they and
00:34:52
also the sensors on the bottom when it's
00:34:53
supposed to be on the top of your wrist.
00:34:54
If someone built it around the bottom of
00:34:56
your wrist, you know,
00:34:58
>> be better.
00:34:58
>> I'm just not going to do a strength
00:35:00
workout with a Omega Speed Master.
00:35:02
>> No, I know. I know. But like for the
00:35:04
everyday tracking of like, you know,
00:35:06
that kind of stuff, heart rate stuff.
00:35:07
>> Uh, one last thing. I have talked to a
00:35:10
lot of uh regular non- techy people
00:35:13
about this. The number one feature that
00:35:15
made them actually excited to maybe
00:35:17
possibly buy one of these is the fact
00:35:19
that it can vibrate as an alarm.
00:35:22
>> Yes, I do. Really? The alarm's nice
00:35:24
because if you like wrist alarm, if you
00:35:27
like sleep in the same bed as another
00:35:29
person and you don't want to wake them
00:35:30
up with your alarm, just having that go
00:35:32
off is like really nice. Also, it has a
00:35:34
feature where because it's tracking your
00:35:36
sleep, it'll detect when you come out of
00:35:38
a sleep cycle and within a 30 minute
00:35:41
area of variability, it will wake you up
00:35:43
when it's an optimal time. That's pretty
00:35:45
common. That's how I woke up alarms with
00:35:47
trackers.
00:35:47
>> Yeah. Which um I think the asleep does
00:35:49
too. And I when it wakes when it wakes
00:35:51
me up right as I'm coming out of sleep
00:35:53
cycle I'm like
00:35:55
>> yeah but I started levitating I
00:35:56
immediately rolled over and went back to
00:35:58
sleep. I was like
00:35:59
>> you look at the timer you're like 20
00:36:00
minutes early bro what
00:36:02
>> I feel yeah wrist alarms are awesome
00:36:04
except for you can be 10% awake and
00:36:07
turned it off really
00:36:07
>> that was my problem it's so easy to
00:36:09
dismiss by just tapping it and that's
00:36:11
not snooze that's dismissed
00:36:14
>> so it's gone.
00:36:15
>> So you got to be careful with it.
00:36:16
>> Well a lot of regular people are very
00:36:17
excited about that feature. So, yes.
00:36:19
>> Anyway, um yeah, I really really can't
00:36:22
wait until they make new bands for this
00:36:24
and I can, you know, hide it and wear a
00:36:26
normal watch. It would be great.
00:36:26
>> For those of you who are wondering after
00:36:28
my review if I've continued using the
00:36:30
Fitbit, you might have noticed that I am
00:36:31
holding the Fitbit, but I'm still
00:36:33
wearing the Whoop and the Apple Watch. I
00:36:35
am so torn about what I want to do about
00:36:37
this. I don't know what I want to finish
00:36:39
off like my fitness journey with.
00:36:41
>> Whoop underwear.
00:36:42
>> They do. Oh, I'm like make that I'm like
00:36:45
deep into the like calibration stuff
00:36:48
with the Whoop.
00:36:48
>> Wait, wait, wait.
00:36:50
>> What? They make Whoop underwear. They're
00:36:52
like fitness tracking undies.
00:36:53
>> It's underwear that has a little It has
00:36:54
a little special pocket to put the
00:36:56
Whoop.
00:36:58
>> Yeah.
00:36:58
>> Yeah, it's messed up.
00:36:59
>> I was going to say I think you should at
00:37:00
least let Whoop's configuration figure.
00:37:03
>> I'm going to let Yeah, I'll finish the
00:37:04
rest of the, you know, full calibration
00:37:06
or whatever, but I'm like, do I want to
00:37:08
get rid of my Apple Watch? I really like
00:37:11
being able to check the time on my
00:37:12
wrist. Super simple. And I really like
00:37:14
getting notifications on my wrist. And I
00:37:16
don't know if I can get rid of those two
00:37:17
things.
00:37:18
>> But I also don't think I want to wear
00:37:19
both of these.
00:37:21
>> So,
00:37:21
>> that's hard.
00:37:22
>> I think you're going to stick with the
00:37:23
Apple Watch.
00:37:24
>> I think that's most likely. I think
00:37:25
honestly what's probably going to happen
00:37:26
is I'll get to the end of the Whoop uh
00:37:28
calibration and then I'll look at the
00:37:30
subscription apps for the Apple Watch
00:37:31
that can do almost the same thing that
00:37:33
like Whoop is suing. So, I know they're
00:37:35
pretty close.
00:37:35
>> Yeah. Yeah.
00:37:36
>> People have been talking about that.
00:37:38
They've been saying that that app that's
00:37:39
getting sued by a Whoop for having like
00:37:41
similar like looking metrics apparently
00:37:43
makes the Apple Watch like basically a
00:37:45
Whoop.
00:37:46
>> Yeah, they're pretty expens they've
00:37:48
apparently the price has gone up. It's
00:37:50
$100 a year for Bevel. Athletic is like
00:37:53
30 bucks a year. That
00:37:54
>> that is such a primo like uh price for
00:37:58
an app. It's like $2 or $3 a month.
00:38:00
>> Loop has started to attempt to make
00:38:03
their their pricing better value. Like
00:38:05
they added basically a Fitbod type like
00:38:08
workout tracker inside of the Whoop
00:38:10
thing now. So we'll tell you what
00:38:11
exercises to do in real time
00:38:13
>> because I I pay I think it's like $80 a
00:38:15
year for FitBod. So they need to add
00:38:17
value because if they don't keep adding
00:38:18
value like that then it's a horrible
00:38:21
deal.
00:38:21
>> Yeah.
00:38:22
>> Yeah.
00:38:22
>> That's the thing I hope most comes from
00:38:24
all this is Whoop fixing adjusting their
00:38:27
hardware so it's less of a thick band
00:38:29
and adjusting their subscription pricing
00:38:31
and maybe not being a brick if you
00:38:32
unsubscribe. That's the number one. That
00:38:35
would be nice for me. Forget the IPO.
00:38:37
Just work on that.
00:38:37
>> IPO is crazy.
00:38:39
>> Cool. All right. Well, we have a lot
00:38:40
more to talk about with the I think we
00:38:41
should do the luch after the break
00:38:43
because there's plenty to talk about
00:38:44
with the electric Ferrari. But before we
00:38:46
get to that, boy,
00:38:48
>> we should do some trivia.
00:38:51
>> Man, I had a sneeze coming so hard and I
00:38:53
just kept like, you know, when you just
00:38:55
calm yourself down and it goes to the
00:38:56
back of your head. I heard that it gets
00:38:58
stuck there.
00:38:59
>> Uh later in the show, we're going to
00:39:01
talk about some Motorola news. They're
00:39:03
back in it. Uh, so I wanted this first
00:39:05
question to be about
00:39:06
>> they never left.
00:39:07
>> They never
00:39:08
>> The story is not their back.
00:39:10
>> No. Yeah. Yeah. The story is this. Well,
00:39:13
you know.
00:39:13
>> Okay. Sorry. No spoilers.
00:39:15
>> However,
00:39:16
>> okay,
00:39:16
>> first trivia question about Motorola
00:39:19
because when we think of Motorola, we
00:39:23
immediately think of the late as the
00:39:24
early 2010s. We think of phones like the
00:39:26
Motorola Droid and Droid 2 and
00:39:28
eventually Droid 3.
00:39:29
>> The Razer.
00:39:30
>> Yeah, Razer.
00:39:31
>> And the Razer. Wow. I can't believe I
00:39:32
left that out. However,
00:39:33
>> you were three
00:39:34
>> one.
00:39:41
Yes. However, there is one really
00:39:44
noteworthy Motorola phone from that era
00:39:46
that does not get brought up enough. And
00:39:48
the reason it is noteworthy is because
00:39:50
it was the first phone that I could find
00:39:52
that had both a multi-touch touchscreen
00:39:55
and an IP67 rating.
00:39:57
>> Oh,
00:39:59
>> this phone was from 2010. I want to say
00:40:02
what phone was it?
00:40:05
>> Oh, the first Motorola phone with a
00:40:09
multi-touch touchscreen and an IP67
00:40:11
rating.
00:40:11
>> It's I believe it's the first phone I
00:40:13
could find anywhere with a multi-touch
00:40:15
screen. And uh let me rephrase that.
00:40:18
It's the first smartphone that I could
00:40:20
find anywhere with a multi-touch screen
00:40:22
and an IP67 rating. I say that because I
00:40:24
wouldn't be surprised if there was some
00:40:26
like construction workers Palm Pilot
00:40:28
special edition.
00:40:29
>> It's not the droid is what you're
00:40:30
saying. It's not the droid. It is not
00:40:31
the droid.
00:40:32
>> Okay. I have an idea.
00:40:32
>> 2010.
00:40:33
>> An idea. 2010 is the hint.
00:40:35
>> Yeah.
00:40:35
>> So, we'll think about that.
00:40:37
>> We'll find out the answer at the end
00:40:38
like usual and we'll be right back.
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00:41:48
right, welcome back. So, unless you've
00:41:50
been living under a rock for the past 36
00:41:53
hours, or I guess by the time this comes
00:41:55
out, four days, uh you have at some
00:41:58
point opened your phone, logged onto
00:42:00
some social media, and seen a picture of
00:42:02
a new electric Ferrari. It's called the
00:42:04
Luch.
00:42:07
And uh boy oh boy, has everyone been
00:42:09
talking about this new car. It was
00:42:11
unveiled. Uh, we get this like official
00:42:14
design unveiling video from Ferrari.
00:42:16
This is the international trip that I
00:42:18
couldn't tell you guys about that I'm
00:42:19
now finally able to disclose that I also
00:42:22
went to Italy, drove this car before it
00:42:25
was unveiled. It was actually a pro a
00:42:28
finished prototype that I got to drive
00:42:29
which had a lot of uh what's it called?
00:42:33
>> Camouflage all over it.
00:42:34
>> That explains why you disappeared for a
00:42:36
few days. We were like, where the hell
00:42:37
is Marquez? I was uh overseas and then I
00:42:40
got to see the final design and walk
00:42:41
through that with the designers. Johnny
00:42:43
IV and Mark Newsome literally walked me
00:42:44
around the car for 45 minutes and
00:42:45
explained everything and then they
00:42:48
handed me a DJI Osmo and they were like,
00:42:50
"Go ahead."
00:42:51
>> That's my favorite part of
00:42:52
>> what.
00:42:53
>> So that's something not a lot of people
00:42:54
have talked about. Uh but the event
00:42:57
behind this was I mean super super super
00:43:01
weird and secretive. This is like the
00:43:04
apple of car companies, I guess, in that
00:43:06
you had to sign an NDA. Obviously, part
00:43:08
of the NDA was if you are responsible
00:43:09
for the leak, you owe like hundreds of
00:43:11
thousands of dollars of damage. Oh my
00:43:13
god, that's so much more intense than
00:43:15
>> they walk you in when you get to this uh
00:43:17
this super distant track like we flew
00:43:19
into Milan and then it's like an hour
00:43:20
and a half into some some fields like
00:43:22
total middle of nowhere feeling and as
00:43:25
soon as you get there they're like take
00:43:26
your phone out your pocket and they just
00:43:27
start taping over all of the cameras on
00:43:30
your phone. Kind of like what Samsung
00:43:31
used to do. They would tape all of I
00:43:33
came in there with five phones expecting
00:43:34
to shoot an autofocus video and they're
00:43:36
like, "Tape, tape, tape, tape. No
00:43:38
shooting on your phones." They're like,
00:43:39
"We have a camera crew. We have cameras.
00:43:42
You use our cameras and then we'll send
00:43:44
you the footage when we're ready." So
00:43:46
funny.
00:43:47
>> That's crazy.
00:43:48
>> So, all of this to me speaks, it's like
00:43:50
yellow flag territory. It's a little bit
00:43:52
insecure, but it's also like they
00:43:53
clearly don't want anything to leak
00:43:55
because they need to control the
00:43:56
narrative around this design because it
00:43:57
is very different for them.
00:43:59
>> Yeah.
00:43:59
>> Uh, so extremely secretive. I feel like
00:44:01
it feels more red flag because we've
00:44:03
seen it, but I'm fine with a company
00:44:05
taking some serious precautions into not
00:44:07
leaking because I'm everything just gets
00:44:09
spoiled. This was like an actual reveal.
00:44:11
>> It was it was it was really like a true
00:44:13
surprise and boy was it a surprise. So,
00:44:16
the car comes out. Uh I dropped the
00:44:19
autofocus video which I have all this
00:44:21
information about the rest of the car
00:44:22
which almost doesn't matter cuz all
00:44:24
anyone is talking about is the design,
00:44:26
the interior and the exterior. This is a
00:44:28
fully electric car designed by not a car
00:44:31
designer. It's designed by love from
00:44:34
which as I mentioned Johnny IV, Mark
00:44:37
Newsen, and a bunch of people that were
00:44:38
brought from the original like Apple
00:44:40
design team who worked on things like
00:44:42
the iPhone and the original like Apple
00:44:46
product that you guys are familiar with
00:44:47
today. And so there's a lot of very
00:44:51
never-beforeseen features in the car,
00:44:53
never-before-seen design elements of the
00:44:56
car. Uh, and the internet has been
00:44:58
talking non-stop about how ugly they
00:45:00
think it is. Now, I I can give you guys
00:45:02
my take on the design. Uh, but I also
00:45:06
have a
00:45:07
>> design for some people who might not
00:45:09
have seen it first.
00:45:10
>> Okay. Yes, I can describe the design.
00:45:12
So, it is a five-seater uh like midsize
00:45:14
crossover sized EV. Uh, and it is the
00:45:19
size of like a Mazda MX5 or like a
00:45:22
Polestar 3. you've probably, you know, a
00:45:25
BYD, like there's a bunch of crossovers
00:45:27
the same size
00:45:28
>> crossover for,
00:45:29
>> but there is uh the front of it has this
00:45:32
really big front spoiler and this really
00:45:36
uh smooth glass that sort of cuts under
00:45:38
the front spoiler and then this like
00:45:40
shark gills type of look in the front.
00:45:42
>> Yeah,
00:45:42
>> the headlights are under the hood. It's
00:45:43
kind of it's a unique front. The back
00:45:46
has these uh these big circular tail
00:45:48
lights, which is maybe the only
00:45:50
reference to Ferrari DNA, but then also
00:45:53
looks like it's like being swallowed by
00:45:54
a larger like rest of the car.
00:45:57
>> Yeah.
00:45:58
>> Uh big glass canopy. You've seen the the
00:46:01
interior probably by now, but yeah, it's
00:46:03
a is a very like blob EV design that
00:46:08
we've seen many times, and we'll get
00:46:10
into my take on the design before, but
00:46:11
it is not like a particularly exotic or
00:46:14
prettyl looking car.
00:46:16
>> Yeah. So, the internet sees that, they
00:46:20
see the $640,000 starting price tag and
00:46:24
proceed to absolutely burn this car for
00:46:27
the next 4 days on the internet. Uh,
00:46:30
what do you guys think? What do you
00:46:31
think of the the Ferrari Luche?
00:46:33
>> I think the blue makes me want to jump
00:46:35
off a building.
00:46:36
>> That blue. The The red is by far the
00:46:39
best color.
00:46:40
>> You're looking Hold on. You just did
00:46:41
what I did where I was like, "Wait, this
00:46:42
angle looks pretty good." And then you
00:46:44
click in and it says, "Oh, that's the
00:46:46
wrong
00:46:46
>> This render just shows how easy it could
00:46:48
have been to make this look good." And
00:46:49
it's not the real
00:46:50
>> Never mind. It all looks bad.
00:46:52
>> Yeah, it um
00:46:53
>> um No. No, like I mean I can jump kind
00:46:56
of into my final thought cuz
00:46:57
>> okay
00:46:58
>> this car
00:47:00
>> made by a cheaper company at $60,000 I
00:47:02
think would look great.
00:47:04
>> But like this car with the Ferrari DNA
00:47:06
and this super secretive launch and like
00:47:09
the teasers of likelair and Hamilton
00:47:12
looking at it and going like ooh ah and
00:47:14
making it seem like it's going to be
00:47:16
this incredible Ferrari
00:47:18
>> is rough. My other take is Johnny IV
00:47:21
just made a bunch of interior things
00:47:23
because that's what he's good at and
00:47:24
then just said chat GPT grab the
00:47:27
exterior for me.
00:47:28
>> I think that I think people were having
00:47:30
chat GBT make the exterior and it looked
00:47:32
better than this.
00:47:32
>> Yeah, it um
00:47:33
>> ah yeah,
00:47:34
>> this is what happens when you like have
00:47:36
a a phone design that some designer
00:47:38
worked for like 5 years on and it's
00:47:40
beautiful and it's like curved and
00:47:41
perfect and you put an Otterbox case on
00:47:43
it. That's what it looks like.
00:47:45
>> Someone put an Otterbox case on a
00:47:46
Ferrari. I've been comparing it to like
00:47:48
the Maky whereas I think the Mache is a
00:47:52
good car and I don't dislike the design
00:47:54
but I think when you call it the Mustang
00:47:57
for whatever reason they decide to
00:47:59
everyone comes at it expecting a
00:48:00
Mustang. So this is that
00:48:03
>> times 10 when the Ferrari people are are
00:48:05
spending seven times more than a
00:48:07
Mustang. Like this is just that
00:48:10
>> exemplified and that's why it's so much
00:48:13
louder that everyone hates this. I think
00:48:15
like
00:48:16
>> like if this was an 80,000 a 60 to
00:48:18
$80,000 car with like decent range and
00:48:21
everything, people would be like this is
00:48:22
kind of unique and cool and fun.
00:48:24
>> Unbelievably. Do Do you think that it's
00:48:26
ugly on purpose because then when rich
00:48:28
people have it? Cuz that that's that's
00:48:30
the way fashion is sometimes.
00:48:32
>> Yeah. I think
00:48:33
>> you think there's anything to that.
00:48:34
>> All right. Here's how here's what I
00:48:36
really think, right?
00:48:38
There are no there are honestly really
00:48:40
no good two-door electric cars like
00:48:42
sports cars. like as a sports car.
00:48:44
There's a lot of sports cars out there.
00:48:46
The whole idea of a sports car is to be
00:48:47
engaged with it. Obviously, being
00:48:49
lightweight and feeling like you're in
00:48:50
control of the thing the whole time.
00:48:51
Then you try to make an electric one and
00:48:53
your first task is to put the battery
00:48:55
somewhere. And in a tiny a tiny twodoor
00:48:57
car, there is simply not enough room to
00:49:00
put a good enough size battery to make
00:49:02
it like a reasonable car. And even if
00:49:04
you did, they always have to put it at
00:49:05
the bottom because it's so heavy. And
00:49:07
that room between the axles is precious.
00:49:09
You put a battery there, then you move
00:49:11
the driver up, everything moves up. It
00:49:13
just becomes way too cramped. There's
00:49:14
not enough room to make a good battery
00:49:16
with today's tech in a tiny twodoor car.
00:49:19
So, they have to go bigger.
00:49:21
>> Okay.
00:49:21
>> So, because you know, Porsche Tyan's
00:49:23
four doors. Every
00:49:26
electric sports car you're thinking of
00:49:27
is four doors. It's a bigger car. The
00:49:29
Tyan, the ViceAC pack literally has no
00:49:31
back seats. It's a four-door car. You
00:49:33
open the back doors, there's no seats.
00:49:35
>> They just needed room to put all of that
00:49:37
stuff.
00:49:38
>> They should have done that for this
00:49:39
though.
00:49:39
>> So, they had to go bigger. So what do
00:49:42
they do? They decide, all right,
00:49:43
Ferrari, we already make a POSU. We're
00:49:45
going to make something the same size
00:49:47
roughly. This this midsize crossover
00:49:49
thing, and we're going to put the
00:49:50
battery in the bottom and design around
00:49:52
that. Your choice is now, do you want to
00:49:54
make this an aggressive like exotic
00:49:57
looking car the way other Ferraris have
00:50:00
been? Yes.
00:50:01
>> But not quite as much.
00:50:02
>> Correct.
00:50:03
>> Or do you want to fully do you want to
00:50:06
fully embrace the fact that this is
00:50:08
already so different from every other
00:50:09
Ferrari? It's electric. It's silent. It
00:50:11
is something super super new. Do you
00:50:13
want to continue to embrace the brand
00:50:15
new and do something brand new with the
00:50:17
design?
00:50:18
>> No.
00:50:18
>> And that was the choice that they made.
00:50:20
>> Now, I think we all know that if Ferrari
00:50:23
had made this look like every other
00:50:25
older Ferrari,
00:50:26
>> it would have gone way better than this.
00:50:28
>> We all know that those cars look great.
00:50:31
>> We all know that that and I and everyone
00:50:33
at Ferrari knows that. Everyone at
00:50:34
Ferrari knows that. Everyone loves those
00:50:36
older designs. It would have been much
00:50:37
lower risk to do one of those older
00:50:39
designs. Even the Pro Sangu,
00:50:41
>> you know, not everybody, not everybody
00:50:43
from Ferrari loves that, but it's, you
00:50:45
know, it's at least kind of still sort
00:50:46
of a Ferrari looking car.
00:50:47
>> Yeah.
00:50:48
>> What they end up doing instead is they
00:50:50
work with Love From and Johnny Ives team
00:50:53
who everyone kind of knows came from
00:50:55
Apple and did some legendary products
00:50:56
there. And we've ended up with this this
00:51:00
sort of more aerrow focused thing which
00:51:04
has almost no reference to any other
00:51:06
older Ferrari, which I think is
00:51:08
intentional. I think they're going,
00:51:10
"This is new. Make it look like an
00:51:11
exotic electric car, not an exotic gas
00:51:14
car."
00:51:15
And I, you know, the more I look at this
00:51:17
car, I'm not going to say it looks good.
00:51:19
It looks really different.
00:51:21
>> And a lot of angles look really bad, but
00:51:23
a lot of angles also look, it's not the
00:51:25
worst looking car I've ever seen.
00:51:26
>> I don't hate it.
00:51:27
>> It's not a terrible looking car. And so
00:51:29
what I keeps coming back to is almost
00:51:31
everything wrong about this car comes
00:51:33
from the fact that one, it is a Ferrari
00:51:36
and two, it is $600,000.
00:51:39
>> Yes, exactly.
00:51:40
>> If this was, hear me out,
00:51:42
>> a $180,000 Lucid, we would all be
00:51:46
totally fine with it.
00:51:47
>> I don't know if that's true
00:51:48
>> because Lucids are not pretty. Like a
00:51:50
lot of these other EVs like All right,
00:51:52
Polestar. All right, a BYD. Like, think
00:51:54
of any random other blob. The Mercedes
00:51:56
EQS. There are some ugly whale looking
00:51:59
EVs out there and nobody says anything
00:52:01
about those and so if this is one of
00:52:03
those
00:52:04
>> it's fine.
00:52:05
>> I think the Maki is a fair comparison to
00:52:06
this, right?
00:52:07
>> So the Maki I think is interesting.
00:52:09
>> Exactly. The Ferrari part is what you're
00:52:11
talking about. Yeah. Which is like when
00:52:13
you have a Ferrari badge on something,
00:52:14
there is the expectation of it to be a
00:52:17
Ferrari. And it's stronger than ever
00:52:18
with that brand because there's a long
00:52:21
history of all the racing and the
00:52:22
motorsport and all the Ferrari designs
00:52:24
that people love. the posters on the
00:52:26
wall from the 90s, the 2000s. And so
00:52:28
everyone is expecting, oh, okay, it's
00:52:30
Ferrari. They're gonna do something
00:52:32
really, really great that maybe we've
00:52:33
never seen before. And then it's this
00:52:35
blob. And we're like, oh, that's not
00:52:36
what I thought.
00:52:37
>> Yeah.
00:52:37
>> And then the $600,000 is the same thing.
00:52:39
Oh, it's it's going to be a half a
00:52:41
million dollar car. Oh, therefore, it
00:52:43
must be at like some highest level
00:52:46
amazing best possible design. So, when
00:52:48
this doesn't meet that, it falls way way
00:52:50
way way short. Like I said, if this was
00:52:52
a $150,000 not Ferrari, this doesn't
00:52:55
fall nearly as short on design or specs
00:52:58
or anything else. And all we're talking
00:52:59
about is how, oh, there's another kind
00:53:00
of a blob looking Eevee out there. Looks
00:53:02
like a shark.
00:53:04
>> Yeah. Looks like a fish.
00:53:05
>> Can I argue back on your
00:53:07
>> if it needs a battery, it has to be
00:53:09
arrow. It has to look like this. Blah
00:53:10
blah.
00:53:11
>> Oh, yes.
00:53:11
>> I just don't think it does. I just don't
00:53:13
think anyone's buying a Ferrari to be
00:53:15
practical. And I think it's totally fine
00:53:17
if this was like a sick Ferrari that had
00:53:20
100 miles of range that could
00:53:22
>> get you from your house to the
00:53:24
restaurant you want to see everyone you
00:53:26
want everyone to see you show up at or
00:53:27
like do a couple track.
00:53:30
>> So I actually agree and I think I think
00:53:32
Ferrari probably also went down this
00:53:34
route too where they're like what if we
00:53:36
don't go fully fully fully different?
00:53:38
What if we go halfway there? It's
00:53:39
already electric. That's crazy enough.
00:53:41
Let's play it safe with everything else.
00:53:44
Okay, it's really aggressive in arrow
00:53:46
and so the range is going to be garbage,
00:53:47
but like who cares? It's a Ferrari.
00:53:49
Like, you're not driving this every day.
00:53:51
Why? Since when did anyone care about
00:53:52
the efficiency of a sports car? Like,
00:53:54
that's totally a reasonable way to think
00:53:56
about this. And I think they ended up
00:53:58
going away from that probably because
00:54:00
they just chose they were like trying to
00:54:02
pick one of their battles. They're like,
00:54:03
"Do we do we make this car that every
00:54:06
Ferrari person is going to hate because
00:54:07
it's an electric version that sort of
00:54:09
bastardizes the Ferrari design, or do we
00:54:12
just do something totally different so
00:54:13
that the electric stuff is grouped in
00:54:16
with this new design and it's just so
00:54:17
different it it doesn't even resemble a
00:54:20
Ferrari in the slightest? It's a totally
00:54:21
new thing. And they're also thinking
00:54:24
about buyers and Ferrari people who are
00:54:27
buying all the other gas Ferraris and
00:54:29
who care about the V12 and the V10 and
00:54:30
those other powertrains.
00:54:32
>> Yeah. are for the first time completely
00:54:35
not in the target demographic of a new
00:54:37
Ferrari. This is supposed to be for a
00:54:40
new potentially younger potentially more
00:54:43
international buyer who wasn't going to
00:54:46
buy any of those other Ferraris
00:54:47
>> buys ugly stuff because that's the point
00:54:49
I don't want to cut
00:54:50
>> who buys who buys maybe more electric is
00:54:53
more interested in technology and and
00:54:55
maybe sees Johnny I've designed it and
00:54:57
goes oh yeah this is this speaks to me
00:54:59
more than whatever Italian name you were
00:55:01
going to put in front of me before that
00:55:03
is the slightly newer buyer.
00:55:07
So, I think Ferrari is thinking about
00:55:08
all this new, new, new, and is just
00:55:10
leaning fully on new, new, new,
00:55:12
different, nothing old at all. That's
00:55:15
that's how he ended up here.
00:55:17
>> Mark, guys, I have an idea seed to plant
00:55:18
in your brain, cuz I me saying this out
00:55:22
loud will guarantee I will never be
00:55:23
invited to a single Ferrari thing for
00:55:25
the rest of
00:55:26
>> I think I'm already banned, too. I don't
00:55:28
think this is entirely new because when
00:55:30
I see the design of the car, it makes me
00:55:32
think of a bunch of the late60s and
00:55:35
entire all through the '7s Lambos. Like
00:55:38
if you're familiar with like the Lambo
00:55:40
Mura and Lambo
00:55:41
>> Those are so angular though.
00:55:42
>> No, no. Look up the the the Lamborghini
00:55:44
Harama is what it's called. The J
00:55:46
>> Harambe.
00:55:47
>> Yeah. Or like the the Lamborghini Oracle
00:55:49
or like the the 70s really smooth ones
00:55:52
before you get to the angular Countach.
00:55:55
To me, if you combine like the Mura, the
00:55:58
Harama, and the Morocco, and then take
00:56:01
like a Dodge Daytona EV and throw that
00:56:04
in there, it like becomes,
00:56:07
I would say.
00:56:08
>> I see what you're saying. I just I This
00:56:10
is so much more of like I described it
00:56:12
in my short as like if a BYD ate a
00:56:14
Ferrari.
00:56:15
>> And and at first you laugh because like
00:56:18
why would anyone spend $600,000 on a
00:56:20
BYD? But they make the best electric
00:56:23
cars in the world right now. They sell a
00:56:25
lot of cars. And if you're you're going
00:56:27
to compete in like who's going to make
00:56:29
the best electric car. Okay, this is I I
00:56:33
drove it. I can't talk about me driving
00:56:35
it yet. But I I think it's pretty clear
00:56:36
they're targeting this being one of the
00:56:38
best driving electric cars. It's not the
00:56:40
best straight line speed because it's
00:56:42
not the lightest. You have plaid, you
00:56:44
have Lucid Air Sapphire, but I mean they
00:56:47
took me to a track to drive it. So that
00:56:48
should say something about how they aim
00:56:49
for, you know, positioning of this this
00:56:51
car. It's still a driving experience.
00:56:53
It's still a Ferrari drive. So it is
00:56:57
like the sportiest, most luxurious
00:56:59
version of the BYD.
00:57:02
>> Can I You might not know the answer to
00:57:04
this question and I might be kind of
00:57:06
wrong, but in general to buy a Ferrari,
00:57:08
you have to have owned Ferraris already,
00:57:10
right?
00:57:10
>> No. So that's that is definitely a
00:57:12
common thing that people talk about
00:57:14
online. It's to buy certain more premium
00:57:16
Ferraris. Yes,
00:57:17
>> cuz when the whole argument is like no
00:57:20
one who owns Ferraris is going to want
00:57:21
this if they're the only ones who can
00:57:24
buy it, it feels like it feels like to
00:57:26
me though as someone who's like
00:57:29
>> if you like all the things that Ferrari
00:57:31
makes right now, you probably don't like
00:57:32
this. Yep.
00:57:33
>> But also like if you're the kind of
00:57:34
person who's really looking forward to
00:57:36
buy a Ferrari because
00:57:38
>> you want to have like the Ferrari clout
00:57:41
that's involved with it.
00:57:42
>> This also is not that. So, I'm very
00:57:45
confused at who is the person that's
00:57:46
buying this.
00:57:47
>> Yeah,
00:57:48
>> it's not cheap.
00:57:49
>> It's not cheap $100,000.
00:57:51
>> It makes so much more sense to just buy
00:57:53
a really sick nice sports car like a
00:57:57
Ferrari or a Lamborghini and then also
00:57:58
buy like a a Lucid. Yeah, if you want
00:58:02
three bedroom,
00:58:05
>> I do think they somewhere along the line
00:58:07
ended up at this being the most
00:58:09
dailyable, most practical, most
00:58:11
comfortable Ferrari. And no one was
00:58:13
asking for that, but that is technically
00:58:15
what this is. And so there it is.
00:58:18
>> I wish I had a jet ski that could fit
00:58:20
six people.
00:58:21
>> Yeah, that's like that's how it feels.
00:58:23
>> It's a little crazy. But you know what's
00:58:25
funny? I talked about this again in the
00:58:27
short.
00:58:28
>> Let's say this happens with Porsche,
00:58:30
right? Everyone who loves motorsport and
00:58:33
loves Porsches loves the GT4s and the
00:58:35
GT3s and the 911s, right? We all care
00:58:38
about the sports cars. But as Porsche
00:58:40
was approaching literal bankruptcy,
00:58:42
they're like, "Well, we got to try the
00:58:44
other thing." And now there's the Macan
00:58:46
and the Cayenne and these like
00:58:48
crossovers that do way more volume in
00:58:51
the sports cars. And that for a long
00:58:54
time has been making enough money for
00:58:56
them to develop the sports cars, too.
00:58:58
and Porsche people kind of just went, I
00:59:00
guess that's necessary. I'm not going to
00:59:02
buy one, but I get why people do buy
00:59:05
that. The soccer mom, the, you know,
00:59:07
suburban housewife like has to get one
00:59:10
of these. All right, great. That makes
00:59:11
us more money. Now we can keep doing the
00:59:13
sports car thing.
00:59:14
>> Same thing with Same thing with
00:59:15
Lamborghini.
00:59:16
>> These aren't any of those things,
00:59:17
though.
00:59:17
>> The same thing with Lamborghini. No, I'm
00:59:19
saying the the form factor. I don't I do
00:59:21
think the price kind of fails this this
00:59:23
analogy, but the the Lamborghini is the
00:59:25
same thing. like the Urus came out and
00:59:27
it is $250,000,
00:59:29
but it is the one with four or five
00:59:32
seats or whatever and you could sell
00:59:33
that and still develop the more uh
00:59:35
hardcore, less practical Lamborghinis.
00:59:38
>> This could fit that analogy if it was
00:59:40
also cheaper.
00:59:41
>> Yeah.
00:59:42
>> And was more attainable. I I kind of
00:59:44
wonder like how many do they expect to
00:59:46
actually sell? The Purangu
00:59:48
>> doesn't sell that well. This is more
00:59:50
expensive than that.
00:59:51
>> Yeah. So if if this was cheaper, I could
00:59:53
see it fitting into that analogy of
00:59:54
like, hey, it's a practical one. Like
00:59:56
you might see this in your neighborhood.
00:59:58
>> Is there anything crazy about the
01:00:00
technology?
01:00:02
>> A lot of the the Ferrari engineering is
01:00:04
in the under the hood design. Every
01:00:06
single wheel has independent steering,
01:00:08
independent suspension adjustment, and
01:00:10
independent torque vectoring and power.
01:00:12
So there's three motors per wheel, which
01:00:14
is crazy.
01:00:15
>> Uh it's a 1000 horsepower. It does like
01:00:18
this crazy active suspension. It does a
01:00:20
whole lot of I mean you're driving it.
01:00:22
It's actively keeping it flat. The
01:00:23
torque vectoring a lot of stuff.
01:00:24
>> You have to drive it.
01:00:25
>> Yeah. And you'll see a lot of I mean
01:00:27
I'll talk about it in the video. I can't
01:00:28
evaluate it. I'm trying to describe it
01:00:30
trying to be you know with the
01:00:32
>> three times.
01:00:33
>> But um yes it does drive. Yeah. Like a
01:00:36
Ferrari supposed to.
01:00:37
>> Okay. So
01:00:39
>> yeah. There's a thing too with like
01:00:40
high-end watches. It's very similar
01:00:42
where like a watch will come out that's
01:00:44
300 grand and it's like okay who the
01:00:46
hell is going to buy that? But as a
01:00:48
watch person that doesn't play in that
01:00:51
tax bracket, it is good to know that
01:00:53
these things still exist. Like it as a
01:00:56
person who's enthusiastic about the the
01:00:58
mechanics and the stuff like that. And
01:01:00
that's the vibe I'm getting with this.
01:01:01
There's a lot in the car that I'm just
01:01:03
glad that it exists in an electric car
01:01:05
and I want to see it trickle down to
01:01:07
something else. I wonder for my analogy
01:01:09
with like watches and I I just kind of
01:01:12
use Rolex as my example because I don't
01:01:13
know anything about watches but like if
01:01:14
Rolex made an Apple Watch competitor,
01:01:16
>> a smartwatch. Yeah.
01:01:18
>> How would that land Rolex people
01:01:20
>> was square? Such a great example.
01:01:23
>> Like if they made just a watch with a
01:01:25
battery and a screen and they had some
01:01:28
cool technology in it that maybe was
01:01:29
different that you don't see in an Apple
01:01:31
Watch, but it was also $200,000. Like
01:01:34
it's it doesn't match
01:01:35
>> and well it looked
01:01:36
>> and it would look like a fish compared
01:01:38
to every other Rolex.
01:01:39
>> Yeah.
01:01:39
>> Even if it's not the ugliest smartwatch
01:01:41
of all time.
01:01:42
>> It's ugly for a Rolex. Right.
01:01:45
>> It looked like a CMF watch.
01:01:47
>> Exactly. That's what this that's what
01:01:49
this Ferrari Luche feels like in the
01:01:51
world of Ferraris. But if you take that
01:01:53
badge off and another
01:01:55
>> Fully agree with you on
01:01:56
>> there's another conspiracy, but maybe
01:01:57
not even conspiracy is
01:01:59
>> debadge it.
01:02:00
>> Think about think about Apple for a
01:02:01
second. Think about Apple for a second.
01:02:03
Thinking about it.
01:02:03
>> Oh yeah.
01:02:04
>> When they came out with the Vision Pro,
01:02:05
what did they say that took them a
01:02:06
decade
01:02:08
>> to make?
01:02:08
>> Yeah.
01:02:09
>> To like do all the engineering and the
01:02:10
behind the scenes and the design and
01:02:12
everything from the ground up for this
01:02:13
VR headset. $3,500. A decade of
01:02:16
secretive work, right?
01:02:17
>> Yeah.
01:02:18
Everyone kind of knows open secret at
01:02:20
this point that Apple was developing a
01:02:22
car for a long time and then eventually
01:02:24
canned it and then love from comes along
01:02:27
and partners with Ferrari sometime
01:02:29
around 2020 2019 2020 and makes this car
01:02:34
from the ground up in six or seven
01:02:38
years. Mhm.
01:02:40
>> I don't know if that's a normal timeline
01:02:42
for developing a super expensive and
01:02:45
like complex electric car, but it would
01:02:47
seem to me that at least some of the DNA
01:02:50
from a previous car project from Johnny
01:02:53
Ivan team probably had to be a lot of
01:02:56
the foundation for this car.
01:02:58
>> I can see that.
01:02:59
>> And so if you take that Ferrari badge
01:03:01
off
01:03:02
>> and put an Apple logo on the front,
01:03:04
>> it doesn't seem that crazy, right? looks
01:03:07
like a fish.
01:03:07
>> It seems It still looks like a fish. It
01:03:09
still looks like a like a BYD at a
01:03:11
Ferrari with those lights on the back.
01:03:13
>> But it does feel a little cuz now
01:03:15
there's no heritage. There's no Ferrari
01:03:16
expectations. It's just like, oh, Apple
01:03:18
made a car. What does it look like? Oh,
01:03:20
that's kind of weird. Looks kind of like
01:03:22
a Magic Mouse,
01:03:23
>> but uh yeah, that's kind of weird, I
01:03:24
guess. But whatever. That's probably a
01:03:26
little bit more in line with the
01:03:28
reaction that we would have seen. Yeah.
01:03:30
>> So, I think there's a little Project
01:03:31
Titan in this car. I will say that
01:03:33
former Ferrari chairman Montesolo uh
01:03:36
said, "I cannot say what I really think.
01:03:38
I would harm Ferrari. We risk the
01:03:41
destruction of a legend." So, sorry.
01:03:43
Take the prancing horse off. At least
01:03:45
the Chinese won't copy this car.
01:03:48
>> I feel like he said what he thought. It
01:03:50
was like the harshest.
01:03:52
>> There was just a couple slurs in there
01:03:53
or something in terms of what he said.
01:03:55
>> Some hand gestures.
01:03:56
>> Not very many people are happy. And um
01:03:59
people were making very funny memes
01:04:00
because in the introduction video they
01:04:02
had of it, they had like these people
01:04:03
who were like really well-dressed were
01:04:05
sort of walking around looking at it and
01:04:07
people were taking stuff.
01:04:08
>> Yeah. People were taking screenshots of
01:04:10
them being like like kind of looking
01:04:11
terrified
01:04:12
>> just being like
01:04:14
>> what is this?
01:04:15
>> I want the unfiltered thoughts of
01:04:17
Charleslair and Louis Hamilton.
01:04:19
>> Dude, okay, I can finally say this now.
01:04:20
Like when I went to uh shoot the F1
01:04:23
stuff in Miami the week after I was in
01:04:25
Italy, it was just hanging around a lot
01:04:27
of Ferrari people and all of them
01:04:30
>> who'd found out that I'd driven the
01:04:32
luche were like so
01:04:35
what do you think? Like sort of
01:04:37
nervously like they all know
01:04:39
>> that it's a little bit crazy and they're
01:04:42
trying like so what do you think? And I
01:04:44
remember I I I kind of said a lot of the
01:04:45
same stuff to them. I was like yeah
01:04:47
interior is nice but that it looks
01:04:49
really different. and they were like,
01:04:50
"Yeah, it does look very different."
01:04:52
Like they would all agree.
01:04:54
So they all know like internally they
01:04:56
all know.
01:04:56
>> I can neither confirm nor deny.
01:04:59
>> Yeah. I'm just so curious about like the
01:05:00
structure of like how they how do they
01:05:02
decide to work with Love From and have
01:05:05
what feels like zero input on the entire
01:05:08
car design
01:05:09
>> minus the like rear tail lights.
01:05:11
>> The tail lights feel like something that
01:05:12
Love From took and put there so that
01:05:15
it's a Ferrari technically, but like
01:05:18
>> otherwise it's an Apple. There is no
01:05:19
other reference to any other Ferrari DNA
01:05:21
other than the badge anywhere on this
01:05:23
car.
01:05:24
>> Nothing.
01:05:24
>> You could have made this look like a
01:05:25
MacBook Air and it would more look like
01:05:27
a Ferrari than this.
01:05:28
>> Yeah,
01:05:28
>> because the MacBook Air at least has the
01:05:30
wedge shape of the traditional Ferraris.
01:05:32
>> There are some really interesting quirks
01:05:34
on the external design. The windshield
01:05:36
wipers are on the outside of the
01:05:39
windshield because there's no cowl to
01:05:42
like protect them and there's like this
01:05:43
smooth glass canopy down to the front
01:05:45
nose of the car. So, kind of like a
01:05:47
Cybert truck, but like one on each side.
01:05:50
>> Kind of insane, but odd.
01:05:53
>> Um, the headlights are also all smooth.
01:05:56
So, like that glass continues down to
01:05:58
the front and and over the headlights.
01:06:00
So, they don't protrude at all. They're
01:06:02
just like smooth with the body of the
01:06:03
car. So, when you crack it, it's going
01:06:04
to cost $200,000.
01:06:06
>> Well, it's not one piece. It's just like
01:06:07
smooth headlight glass and then continue
01:06:09
smooth with the rest. Okay.
01:06:11
>> So, that's kind of interesting.
01:06:13
>> The wheels. So, they have this this
01:06:15
turbine looking wheel that that I shot
01:06:17
in my video and that you see everywhere
01:06:18
else. I think it looks horrible, but
01:06:20
>> yeah,
01:06:20
>> it is what you see on a lot of other
01:06:23
electric cars is like dinner plate sized
01:06:25
wheels
01:06:26
>> so bad
01:06:26
>> with because that's more aeroefficient.
01:06:29
This is the arrow thing again. Like they
01:06:31
look bad, but how many times have I
01:06:32
talked about it? Terrible.
01:06:33
>> Be aerodynamic
01:06:34
>> because Yeah, just different. Just
01:06:38
different. They don't have to. I don't
01:06:39
think they have to. It's a Ferrari. I
01:06:41
don't give two hoots about like what
01:06:42
type of range I'm not going to drive it
01:06:44
every day. But
01:06:44
>> if I didn't care about being air
01:06:45
efficient, I would just want an 80s
01:06:47
hatchback to be my EV. That's all that's
01:06:49
all I want.
01:06:50
>> Yeah.
01:06:51
>> So, they have
01:06:53
for you.
01:06:54
>> I still want that.
01:06:55
>> Are we going to get one so you can drive
01:06:57
around
01:06:58
>> one? Are we going to like the two that
01:07:01
review the two that exist?
01:07:03
>> Not after this episode. I would say that
01:07:05
Ferrari probably doesn't love what
01:07:08
anyone is saying about this car, but I I
01:07:11
just don't I feel like they're going to
01:07:12
keep it.
01:07:13
>> Why did they choose the colors they
01:07:14
chose?
01:07:15
>> I don't Look, if you look on their
01:07:16
configurator,
01:07:17
>> light blue and yellow.
01:07:19
>> If you look on their configurator, uh
01:07:21
change the paint colors,
01:07:23
>> it can kind of look a little less
01:07:25
ridiculous. I think that baby blue is
01:07:26
pretty terrible.
01:07:27
>> It's horrible. The blue, actually, the
01:07:29
wheels are the most offensive part of
01:07:30
the car to me. But if you get to that
01:07:32
five-spoke wheel design and like a
01:07:35
darker color, it looks a little less
01:07:37
offensive.
01:07:37
>> A matte black. What? No way.
01:07:39
>> This isn't black. This is blue. You're
01:07:41
looking at my screen. This is blue.
01:07:42
>> Well, this website for the configurator
01:07:44
is really broken and bad.
01:07:46
>> Yeah, the configurator is also
01:07:47
>> I can't believe they even let you
01:07:48
configure this on the internet. I feel
01:07:50
like you'd have to go somewhere and do
01:07:52
it.
01:07:53
>> Want to buy it?
01:07:54
>> These all look like something from like
01:07:56
a 2008 PlayStation 2 video game. Yeah,
01:07:59
but this is how car configurators look.
01:08:01
>> Oh my god, it looks so bad.
01:08:03
>> I think it's a pretty cool car.
01:08:05
>> There it is.
01:08:07
>> I do. I think it's cool in the front and
01:08:09
I think it's cool in the back and I
01:08:10
think it's cool in the inside and I
01:08:11
don't mind the wheels.
01:08:12
>> The interior is
01:08:15
>> I don't even think I feel like we
01:08:16
haven't even talked about the interior,
01:08:17
but the interior is actually, and I want
01:08:21
to make sure I'm not saying this wrong,
01:08:23
it is the best interior of any electric
01:08:25
car I've ever driven.
01:08:26
>> Yeah,
01:08:27
>> it looks nice. Yeah,
01:08:28
>> there was a point in Cleo's video which
01:08:31
was really good
01:08:32
>> where
01:08:34
>> she and I noticed it on your video too
01:08:36
even though you didn't mention it I
01:08:37
don't think but the bar on the tablet on
01:08:40
the inside it's not just like a handle
01:08:42
to wiggle the screen around or whatever
01:08:44
you'd like naturally place your hand
01:08:46
there almost like a palm rest when
01:08:47
you're interacting with the screen
01:08:49
>> and I had never thought about that in
01:08:51
any of these screens in any car like
01:08:53
that little touch is so
01:08:54
>> it is in a couple cars that I've driven
01:08:55
it is perfect on this screen cuz it
01:08:57
moves But in my car in the in the 911,
01:09:00
it's the same thing. Like every time I
01:09:01
touch the screen, I always rest my hand
01:09:03
in the same exact spot and then touch
01:09:04
the screen so I don't have to like think
01:09:06
too hard. And this is probably because
01:09:08
it moves. They decided to put the handle
01:09:09
on it. Very clever.
01:09:11
>> My issue with that screen that can
01:09:13
rotate, it's like a ball head, right?
01:09:15
Like it can go down. Yeah. It will never
01:09:18
be level the first time you move it. You
01:09:20
move it once and it will never be level
01:09:21
again for the rest of it. You got to
01:09:23
just pull it towards yourself and just
01:09:25
just
01:09:25
>> I think I would have to carry a level in
01:09:27
the car with me. It's never going to be
01:09:28
>> like fix it again. It would drive me
01:09:30
insane. The key
01:09:32
>> so cool.
01:09:32
>> It's so cool.
01:09:34
>> It's so unnecessary.
01:09:36
So cool. That's the cool fun little
01:09:37
things that I'm here for.
01:09:39
>> For anyone who hasn't seen the key, the
01:09:40
key is this little uh rectangle, this
01:09:43
magnetic light up rectangle with the
01:09:45
Ferrari prancing horse on it.
01:09:46
>> Giant Ferrari.
01:09:47
>> It's yellow.
01:09:48
>> It's glowing yellow. And then you put it
01:09:51
in this designated spot in the center
01:09:53
console.
01:09:54
>> It magnetizes to align with that center
01:09:56
spot. And then you slowly push it into
01:09:59
the center console until it's flush.
01:10:01
>> You have to do this every time.
01:10:02
>> What I mean this is like getting in they
01:10:04
decided like instead of getting in a
01:10:06
car, turning a key and then the engine
01:10:07
comes to life. You need like a come to
01:10:08
life moment for this car. So you push it
01:10:10
into the center console. That yellow
01:10:12
light then transfers to the drive select
01:10:16
>> and then you move that to drive and then
01:10:17
you're going that
01:10:19
>> it's like Indiana Jones like finding an
01:10:21
artifact and putting it in a wall like
01:10:24
>> that's the kind of stuff that I mean I
01:10:25
can't wait for these little touches to
01:10:27
trickle down into all of our cars. True.
01:10:29
>> Yeah, would break the out of
01:10:32
>> I want to see that in the next RAV 4,
01:10:34
baby.
01:10:35
>> Yeah. So, there's some there's some
01:10:37
great interior details with this car.
01:10:39
And uh
01:10:40
>> I love that key cuz the logo is so big
01:10:42
that you're like you're out with your
01:10:43
friends and the keys on the table and
01:10:45
they're like, "Damn, you have a
01:10:45
Ferrari." Yeah, come check it out. And
01:10:47
then they see like just never mind. I'm
01:10:50
good.
01:10:50
>> Dude, all the Ferrari keys are those
01:10:51
same rectangle just like
01:10:53
>> really. They're just huge with the lid
01:10:54
on it.
01:10:54
>> And they always have like a little
01:10:55
rectangle in the center console to put
01:10:56
the key in. But this one is like, you
01:10:58
know, the magnet and the light and all
01:10:59
that.
01:10:59
>> That's pretty sweet.
01:11:00
>> Yeah. I'm We're gonna see it on the
01:11:02
street someday and we're all gonna go,
01:11:03
"Oh boy."
01:11:04
>> I was thinking that the first time I see
01:11:06
this on the street, I'm 100% stopping.
01:11:08
Like, it is one of those.
01:11:09
>> Do you think you're gonna see it on the
01:11:10
street? I don't think I'm ever going to
01:11:12
see this on the street.
01:11:12
>> You'll see it at meat packing.
01:11:13
>> Not as much as Yeah, you'll see like
01:11:15
once in a while.
01:11:16
>> Like, you'll see a random Lamborghini
01:11:17
sometimes.
01:11:17
>> That's a That's a neighborhood in New
01:11:19
York. I feel like if you don't know
01:11:20
Manhattan and you just hear us say like,
01:11:21
"No, we'll see it at Meatacking." That
01:11:23
doesn't make any sense.
01:11:23
>> Well, there's meat packing districts in
01:11:25
other cities, too.
01:11:26
>> Name one.
01:11:27
>> Uh Copenhagen. Oh,
01:11:28
>> meat packing.
01:11:29
>> Got them.
01:11:30
>> Okay. All right, last question for you
01:11:31
guys.
01:11:32
>> Last question on this design and try to
01:11:34
think like far out future.
01:11:36
>> Okay,
01:11:36
>> but how do we think this will age?
01:11:39
Because a lot of cars have an initial
01:11:41
reception. That's one thing.
01:11:45
>> 6 months later, a year later, 5 years
01:11:48
later, it's something different.
01:11:49
>> I don't know about 6 months, but I think
01:11:52
in 20 years it'll be nice. I think part
01:11:55
of the reason why people don't like this
01:11:57
car now currently is because it looks
01:12:00
very much like all the other EVs that
01:12:02
are coming out now. Blobs.
01:12:04
>> Blobs. And I think Ferrari, when I
01:12:06
picture a Ferrari, it's the designs of
01:12:08
the 80s and the '9s. Like it is these
01:12:10
>> pinfina.
01:12:11
>> Yeah. Like it is a beautiful angular
01:12:14
>> beast,
01:12:14
>> aggressive
01:12:15
>> aggressive. And this is not that. So I
01:12:17
think right now we're looking back on
01:12:19
everything with such like it's your to
01:12:21
your point Marquez like about the
01:12:23
reminiscing on the past is like
01:12:24
destroying everything.
01:12:25
>> Yeah.
01:12:26
>> I think in 30 years when we're
01:12:27
reminiscing about this era of cars and
01:12:30
designs and stuff like that then maybe
01:12:31
I'll look back on this fondly.
01:12:33
>> But right now it looks like a whale.
01:12:34
>> I disagree. And do you want to know why?
01:12:36
>> Why do you remember the glossy
01:12:40
computer monitors with giant bezels from
01:12:41
the 2010s?
01:12:42
>> Yes.
01:12:43
>> The Apple Cinema Displays.
01:12:45
>> Those did not age well. Correct. And
01:12:47
this car reminds me of those monitors.
01:12:50
>> Really?
01:12:50
>> I disagree.
01:12:51
>> Yeah. Why?
01:12:52
>> Yeah. I think those aged like fine wine.
01:12:54
>> Did you do they look nice in a room?
01:12:58
They sure they might not like be like an
01:12:59
optimal
01:13:00
>> look in a room.
01:13:02
>> They look nice in a room.
01:13:04
>> This looks nice.
01:13:05
>> If you put a monitor display in that
01:13:06
thing, absolutely nice in a room.
01:13:09
>> I will say something.
01:13:10
>> No, wait, whoa, whoa. That's That's not
01:13:11
an Apple Cinema Display.
01:13:12
>> No, I didn't say Apple Cinema display. I
01:13:14
just said the like glossy black
01:13:18
computer.
01:13:18
>> Oh, no. That's different. The Apple
01:13:19
Cinema Display has aged like fine wine.
01:13:21
>> Yeah, it doesn't remind me of Apple
01:13:23
Cinema.
01:13:23
>> So, you know what's funny? That ages
01:13:24
like fine wine. The what? A lot of
01:13:26
people say this about Bugatti. They've
01:13:28
made cars for a long time. And something
01:13:30
they specifically do is avoid putting
01:13:33
large displays in the cars. And
01:13:35
philosophically, it's because that's not
01:13:37
going to look new anymore in 5 years or
01:13:39
10 years or 50 years while these people
01:13:41
still have these cars. like putting an
01:13:43
iPad in your house, like build it into
01:13:45
the wall.
01:13:45
>> Yeah.
01:13:45
>> And so now once you see that, you can't
01:13:48
unsee the difference between a lot of
01:13:49
these cars, keeping it very analog or
01:13:51
just going, you know what, here's a 75
01:13:53
in screen. Like this is just an Escalade
01:13:55
screen in your car.
01:13:57
>> Yeah,
01:13:57
>> this Luch
01:13:59
is curiously kind of right in the
01:14:02
middle. Like it blends the displays.
01:14:04
It's hard. It's really hard to get on
01:14:06
video, but it blends the displays and
01:14:07
the physical materials really well. And
01:14:10
I wonder how that's going to age.
01:14:12
>> The interior looks amazing. So
01:14:13
>> yeah, I think that'll age fine.
01:14:15
>> Did you see the tweet that just said
01:14:17
everyone thought the Cybertruck looked
01:14:19
ugly when it was released and all the
01:14:20
replies are like everyone still thinks
01:14:22
the exact same thing. You know, feels
01:14:25
like what you're asking.
01:14:26
>> When the cy the Cybertruck is
01:14:27
interesting because when the Cybertruck
01:14:28
first came out, there was a brief like
01:14:30
pop star moment where people were like
01:14:32
it the first reaction wasn't ew, a
01:14:34
cybert truck. The first reaction was
01:14:35
like holy cow, what is that spaceship
01:14:37
thing?
01:14:38
>> Yeah.
01:14:38
>> And then it was ugly. Yeah. And so this
01:14:40
this could have a this could
01:14:42
>> Hey, it could be the opposite.
01:14:43
>> But this is a little weirder because I
01:14:45
think it does look a little too much
01:14:47
like a Leaf or a Prius in a sense.
01:14:49
>> Yeah.
01:14:50
>> So like
01:14:50
>> for sure
01:14:51
>> and it being a Ferrari is it was cool
01:14:54
when the Prius looked like a
01:14:55
Lamborghini. It's not cool when the
01:14:56
Ferrari looks like a Prius.
01:14:58
>> That's exactly that's a perfect
01:15:01
>> perfect explanation of why this will
01:15:02
probably age poorly.
01:15:03
>> That was perfect. Can I can I compare it
01:15:05
to one more vehicle that has quote
01:15:07
unquote existed in the past? Are you
01:15:09
guys familiar with the 2013 Matt Damon
01:15:11
film Allesium?
01:15:13
>> Of course not.
01:15:14
>> Yeah,
01:15:14
>> fair enough. There's the the villain in
01:15:17
that movie uh a big part of that movie
01:15:19
is going back and forth between Earth
01:15:21
and like this sort of floating paradise
01:15:24
in space. And the the villain the
01:15:26
villain spaceship is an officially
01:15:29
branded Bugatti spaceship.
01:15:32
And other than having the Bugatti logo,
01:15:34
it looks it has almost nothing to do
01:15:37
with Bugatti. And I feel like this is an
01:15:39
apt apt metaphor.
01:15:41
>> That's interesting. You know what that
01:15:42
look reminds me of? That spaceship from
01:15:43
Lilo and Stitch.
01:15:45
>> Yeah, it does. Yep. Very bubbly.
01:15:48
>> Okay, question for you.
01:15:49
>> Yeah.
01:15:50
>> Did everyone want this to look like the
01:15:52
Hyundai Nvision 74?
01:15:54
>> I have a take about that.
01:15:56
>> And this comes to remember we put in the
01:15:58
Slack.
01:15:59
>> Yeah.
01:15:59
>> You were like argument. Well, you put
01:16:01
basically if they had just taken this
01:16:03
old design.
01:16:04
>> Yeah.
01:16:05
>> But just made it electric.
01:16:06
>> 1980s hatchbacks or 1980s like square
01:16:09
cars.
01:16:10
>> And would you say I would buy it?
01:16:11
Everyone would buy it.
01:16:12
>> I would buy it.
01:16:13
>> I said all I want is this.
01:16:15
>> I think my take on just make the old
01:16:18
design electric is the same as the small
01:16:23
phones. Everyone online,
01:16:26
>> I don't know, man.
01:16:27
>> Agrees that they all like it.
01:16:30
Universally positive. The 13 mini, the
01:16:32
12 mini, the Zen phone, all these
01:16:35
phones, everyone everyone who reviews
01:16:37
them
01:16:38
>> loves them.
01:16:39
>> Hatchbacks are still functional though.
01:16:41
>> Everybody Well, I'm just saying like the
01:16:43
small phones got universally positive
01:16:45
praise online from reviews, from users,
01:16:48
from everything.
01:16:49
>> Yet still, they all went extinct because
01:16:51
not enough people actually bought them.
01:16:54
Okay. But in the United States is the
01:16:57
only place where we don't still make
01:16:59
hatchbacks and like those kind of cars
01:17:01
because those are very popular in
01:17:02
Europe. Ellis has brought in his iPhone
01:17:04
12 mini. He ran out to go grab it. Damn,
01:17:06
what a universally beloved, right? But
01:17:09
it doesn't exist anymore. It had two
01:17:11
generations and then not enough people
01:17:13
bought it and Apple moved on to
01:17:14
literally the opposite, the plus.
01:17:16
>> But like hatchbacks since those kind of
01:17:18
cars are still very popular in Europeh,
01:17:21
>> you know, and so they just need to
01:17:22
electrify those. They just haven't
01:17:23
electrified them yet. Well, I guess my
01:17:26
take is not enough people would buy it
01:17:28
in America. You think if they made a
01:17:30
like a small hatchback?
01:17:32
>> Yeah, I think like those are like the
01:17:33
smaller hatchbacks which now if we're
01:17:36
going back to a cheaper car, then we do
01:17:38
care about ranging
01:17:38
>> because the Tyan Cross Turismo exists.
01:17:41
It's just not the old.
01:17:42
>> So, if like a 1980s Mercedes, which I
01:17:44
know they can't make because of like
01:17:46
safety regulations and stuff like that.
01:17:48
>> I think you're talking more station
01:17:49
wagon.
01:17:50
>> Wagon, sorry, not station wagon. Old
01:17:52
station wagon.
01:17:53
>> Yes,
01:17:54
>> but electric.
01:17:55
>> Yes, 100%.
01:17:56
>> This does exist in Europe.
01:17:58
>> That's what it Yeah.
01:17:58
>> The There's the Audi, Avant, I forget
01:18:01
the AE6 maybe, and then there's the
01:18:03
Volkswagen, the Touring ID, and then
01:18:06
there's a number,
01:18:07
>> but they still don't look they still
01:18:08
don't look like the old Yeah, they still
01:18:11
are more rounded and stuff. I just want
01:18:13
the 1980s style.
01:18:14
>> But it's such a common what you're
01:18:16
saying is a very common thread. Like
01:18:17
when the new Volkswagen bus came out and
01:18:19
it was like a revamped new design,
01:18:21
everyone was like, "But just make the
01:18:23
old bus electric."
01:18:25
>> But they didn't do it,
01:18:26
>> right?
01:18:27
>> And I think it's because they know that
01:18:28
everyone saying that just says that, but
01:18:31
then isn't going to
01:18:32
>> that argument just falls flat cuz no one
01:18:33
bought the new version either.
01:18:36
>> They wouldn't have bought the I saw
01:18:38
billion of them in when I was in Europe
01:18:39
last week.
01:18:40
>> But also the original bus had like 1
01:18:43
centimeter of metal between you and
01:18:45
death. So, I don't know if that's, you
01:18:48
know, if they could really do the same
01:18:49
thing,
01:18:49
>> but like sentimentally, everyone loves
01:18:51
the old designs. They all have a fond
01:18:52
place in our heart. So, everyone's like,
01:18:54
"Bring that back, make it electric, and
01:18:55
I would buy an electric car." But,
01:18:57
>> and then I just say that and then they
01:19:00
don't they wouldn't if it was like,
01:19:02
okay, if it wasn't like a bazillion
01:19:04
dollars, you know, if it was starting
01:19:05
around the same price as like other cars
01:19:07
that start around like, you know, 40 or
01:19:09
something, I feel like it would be
01:19:10
popular.
01:19:12
>> But I might be wrong.
01:19:13
>> Maybe. I guess we'll never know. I guess
01:19:15
we'll never know cuz it'll never happen.
01:19:17
>> No one's making them.
01:19:18
>> Can we just What if I ask I don't know.
01:19:20
I'll ask Gemini to simulate a world
01:19:22
where this is happening.
01:19:23
>> Um, okay. Speaking of EVs, you saw a
01:19:27
cyber cab in Texas. I did, but the
01:19:31
steering wheel
01:19:32
>> depends on how we define cyber cab
01:19:34
because I saw if anyone's been in
01:19:36
Austin, Texas in the last couple weeks,
01:19:38
you've probably seen this, too. You'll
01:19:39
see a random cyber cab driving around
01:19:41
and then you'll pull up next to it and
01:19:43
there's just a person driving it. And I
01:19:46
don't know, I haven't looked into it. I
01:19:47
don't follow this as closely. I'm sure
01:19:49
people will tell us in the comments like
01:19:50
they're either testing it or like trying
01:19:52
to validate some something.
01:19:54
>> It's an Optimus robot. It's not a
01:19:55
person.
01:19:57
>> That explains why he waved back like
01:19:58
that. Uh, no, it was it was it was just
01:20:01
like it it looked pretty close like it
01:20:03
had no side view mirrors. had like it
01:20:06
was the same type of car with the like
01:20:07
weird wheel covers. Um, but it was
01:20:10
driven by a human and I assume that that
01:20:12
happens with basically every EV before
01:20:14
it has to get, you know, validated,
01:20:16
certified, etc. and then it's good to
01:20:18
go. Uh, I don't think that says anything
01:20:20
about when this car is actually going to
01:20:22
come out,
01:20:23
>> you know,
01:20:23
>> because there are many things about that
01:20:25
car that uh don't appear to be ready to
01:20:28
go. It It did look pretty bad. Like we
01:20:31
were behind it briefly and you could see
01:20:32
like the wheel cover just like flopping
01:20:34
around next to the car. It was not
01:20:36
pretty.
01:20:37
>> Um but yeah, maybe maybe soon.
01:20:39
>> Someday. Maybe. Yeah,
01:20:41
>> I think my hair is safe if that's what
01:20:42
you're asking.
01:20:42
>> Yeah, I'm not asking that. Uh two days
01:20:44
ago Tesla's chief designer said that the
01:20:46
second generation Roadster will be built
01:20:48
in Texas and said that alpha prototypes
01:20:52
are currently in testing. And I'm like,
01:20:54
it's been
01:20:55
>> You've said a lot of things about 10.
01:20:58
>> No. Well, it's been nine years since
01:21:00
they announced 20177.
01:21:01
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Nine years.
01:21:03
>> So, why are you in the alpha stage when
01:21:06
you took pre-order?
01:21:08
>> Because they haven't done anything. If
01:21:09
you actually, you know, you know what's
01:21:10
funny? If you listen to everything
01:21:11
they've said about the Roadster for the
01:21:13
past decade or so, it kind of implies
01:21:15
that they haven't done anything since
01:21:17
then. And there was an old cuz I
01:21:19
remember when I was still a believer in
01:21:21
the Roadster. There was an old Fran Van
01:21:23
Holahousen interview I think on the ride
01:21:24
to lightning podcast where he went on it
01:21:26
was probably five six years after it was
01:21:28
announced and he was like everything
01:21:29
about the roadster is going to be better
01:21:31
than what he showed you on stage.
01:21:33
remember that
01:21:33
>> cuz like everything about all the
01:21:34
metrics, everything will be better.
01:21:37
>> And I thought about that and I was like,
01:21:38
"Okay, you announced a 200 kWh battery,
01:21:41
a 600 mile range, a 1.9 second 0 to 60,
01:21:45
and an 8 and 1 half second/4 mile." And
01:21:48
somehow all of that is going to be
01:21:50
better when it comes out. How? What? I
01:21:53
don't know if I believe any of this
01:21:54
anymore.
01:21:54
>> Yeah.
01:21:55
>> And so, yeah, here we are. It's 2026 and
01:21:57
we have new bait. This is like bait for
01:22:00
people like me. They're just like,
01:22:01
"Here's a new thing to talk about. Talk
01:22:03
about the Roadster
01:22:04
>> and it's an alpha prototype testing and
01:22:06
they're going to build it in Texas."
01:22:07
Sure.
01:22:08
>> It also just doesn't make sense why they
01:22:10
would build the Roadster now that they
01:22:12
stopped making the Model S.
01:22:13
>> That's actually the most important
01:22:15
thing. They literally discontinued the
01:22:17
two lowest volume cars because they want
01:22:19
to focus on the higher volume stuff.
01:22:20
>> And this car would be even lower volume.
01:22:22
>> Yeah. Yeah. That's that's the hard part
01:22:24
to believe.
01:22:24
>> That makes no sense. I just don't Yeah.
01:22:26
It's I don't know. I don't think it's
01:22:27
ever rooting for it. AI needs more money
01:22:30
in their bottom line.
01:22:31
>> SpaceX Twitter AI.
01:22:32
>> SpaceX Twitter AI.
01:22:33
>> I mean, the Roadster has essentially
01:22:34
become like uh like a stock boost
01:22:37
button.
01:22:37
>> Yeah.
01:22:38
>> When you need a boost, you just talk
01:22:40
about the Roadster. Just talk just
01:22:42
promise the Roadster again. Just hit the
01:22:43
button
01:22:44
>> and then it'll be another year before
01:22:46
anything happens. And then they'll
01:22:46
promise it again.
01:22:48
>> And that's that's the
01:22:49
>> This time say it flies.
01:22:51
>> Yeah. I mean, they did say it flies.
01:22:53
>> They said it.
01:22:54
>> They literally said that many years ago.
01:22:56
As much as I'm rooting for it and I'm
01:22:57
very excited for it, I have decided to
01:22:59
stop thinking about it.
01:22:59
>> Yeah, you should just put it out of your
01:23:01
head.
01:23:01
>> Yeah.
01:23:02
>> Well, speaking of things that we'll stop
01:23:03
thinking about directly after the
01:23:05
podcast, the answers to these trivia
01:23:07
questions.
01:23:08
>> I don't know about you, but I'm going to
01:23:10
think about these
01:23:12
for a long time.
01:23:12
>> These trivia questions.
01:23:13
>> Yeah.
01:23:14
>> Forever.
01:23:15
>> Mhm.
01:23:15
>> Do you guys want the Fitbit question or
01:23:18
the Ferrari question?
01:23:19
>> Fitbit. Fitbit.
01:23:20
>> Ferrari.
01:23:21
>> Out voted Marquez. Sorry.
01:23:22
>> Can I at least hear it later?
01:23:24
>> Sure. Sure. Yeah, I'll I'll pull you
01:23:25
aside and I'll tell you it later.
01:23:26
>> Great. Great. Great.
01:23:28
>> All right. So, here is the Fitbit
01:23:30
question. The first wristbased Fitbit
01:23:34
was called what?
01:23:35
>> Ferrari question.
01:23:38
>> I think we just got to vote it. Let's
01:23:40
go.
01:23:41
>> Uh, the first one. Wow. First Fitbit
01:23:43
history.
01:23:44
>> The first wristbased Fitbit.
01:23:46
>> Wristbased Fitbit kind of implies that
01:23:48
there was an earlier Fitbit that was
01:23:50
like underwear based.
01:23:51
>> No, like the pedometer one that David
01:23:52
always brings up. The one you put in
01:23:54
your shoe.
01:23:54
>> Yeah. When I worked at Intel, everyone
01:23:56
used that one. They were doing step goal
01:23:58
challenges.
01:23:58
>> It had a name, huh?
01:24:00
>> Not doing any work.
01:24:01
>> Nobody at Intel did any work. I swear to
01:24:04
God.
01:24:04
>> Do they do work now?
01:24:06
>> Probably not.
01:24:07
>> Dang.
01:24:07
>> They're funed by
01:24:08
>> 10% owned by the government. So,
01:24:10
>> they're too busy swimming in that China
01:24:12
Lake or whatever.
01:24:14
>> China Lake.
01:24:14
>> Is that the name of their their flag?
01:24:16
Oh, it's silver. Okay. Is it really not?
01:24:19
>> Oh, you mean like Oh, the Yeah. Okay.
01:24:22
Meteor Lake, that kind of stuff.
01:24:25
>> I don't think they had China Lake.
01:24:26
>> China Lake is a place near where you
01:24:28
grew up. That's where I I got it mixed
01:24:30
up.
01:24:31
>> Anyway, we'll think about this.
01:24:32
>> Thank you so much, Marcus.
01:24:33
>> We'll get to the answers at the end.
01:24:35
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01:25:39
>> Welcome back. I just read this article
01:25:42
yesterday that was really funny about
01:25:43
Motorola phones hijacking Amazon
01:25:46
affiliate links. Have you seen this?
01:25:47
>> I had not seen this headline.
01:25:48
>> Have you seen this?
01:25:49
>> I saw the headline. I did not read into
01:25:51
it. I it seems like it was found on the
01:25:54
Motorola subreddit and then Ben Shun did
01:25:56
a article on it on 9 to5 Google, but
01:25:59
essentially in a recent app update,
01:26:01
people have noticed that if you go to
01:26:04
Amazon the app inside your drawer that
01:26:07
it really quickly is flashing a web
01:26:09
browser and then loading into the app
01:26:11
and apparently it is running an
01:26:13
affiliate link before it's opening the
01:26:15
actual app. So it's honey.
01:26:17
>> Every single it it is honey but
01:26:20
>> on Motorola phone.
01:26:22
>> I feel like that honey investigation
01:26:23
came out and all the companies were
01:26:25
like,
01:26:26
>> "Oh, great idea."
01:26:28
>> We could have made a lot of money doing
01:26:29
that.
01:26:31
>> So the Amazon app that's pre-loaded on
01:26:33
Motorola phones is like bugged to always
01:26:36
use some corporate Motorola code.
01:26:40
>> Yeah. It's really bizarre because it's
01:26:42
it looks so hacky. First of all, if it
01:26:44
is on your homepage, it does not do it
01:26:46
for some reason, which
01:26:48
>> I mean, I don't know a lot of people
01:26:50
with the Amazon on their homepage, but
01:26:52
anyways, if you go through the app
01:26:54
drawer,
01:26:55
>> um, they were testing it and yeah, you
01:26:57
would click it and for people like us, I
01:27:00
think we would notice it cuz really
01:27:01
quickly you'd see like the browser UI
01:27:03
like white flash screen and then the
01:27:05
>> the Amazon uh app would come up. So,
01:27:07
you're inside the Amazon app, the
01:27:09
full-blown app, but you know, like
01:27:11
whenever you maybe click on a YouTube
01:27:12
link, right before it goes to the
01:27:15
YouTube app, it like flashes like it's
01:27:16
loading in browser. It kind of looks
01:27:18
like that except you're pulling it from
01:27:19
your app drawer instead. So, it's really
01:27:21
strange. I don't think a lot of people
01:27:23
would notice it
01:27:24
>> and it wasn't happening previously. In
01:27:27
fact, at 95 Google, they tested it on
01:27:30
older apps, on older software updates.
01:27:33
It's still not doing that. But then a
01:27:35
more recent one, it has started doing
01:27:37
it.
01:27:38
>> Look at the video.
01:27:39
>> The funniest Yeah, if you watch the
01:27:41
video and the link on there, it shows
01:27:42
it. But um
01:27:43
>> the funny thing is is, you know, we've
01:27:45
seen a lot of really budget phones do
01:27:48
some kind of shady ads or whatever to
01:27:50
like make up for the fact that they're
01:27:52
so cheap. 95 Google tested this on the
01:27:54
$1,900 Razer Fold and it's still doing
01:27:57
it. So this is just a full-blown
01:28:00
Motorola issue. um issue
01:28:02
>> and the way it it just seems so sketch.
01:28:06
It it apparently brings you to some
01:28:07
website that's based off of some like
01:28:10
fashion influencer except that website
01:28:12
itself doesn't actually when you go to
01:28:15
that fashion influencer, she doesn't
01:28:17
link it anywhere. So, it looks like this
01:28:19
almost like
01:28:21
>> fake uh like URL developed to create
01:28:24
this this redirect that's doing it. So,
01:28:28
it seems super hacky. Almost like
01:28:29
somebody at Motorola like pushed this
01:28:32
somehow and hoped no one would notice.
01:28:34
>> Every single blog on the planet
01:28:36
eventually moved towards affiliate being
01:28:39
like their primary source of revenue,
01:28:40
right? So, if you can run multiple
01:28:42
companies just off of affiliate revenue,
01:28:44
just off of like reviews and stuff, of
01:28:47
course, these companies are going to be
01:28:48
like, "Wait, we could just make an
01:28:50
entire company's worth of revenue if we
01:28:52
just do this." Yeah. Um, imagine getting
01:28:54
the affiliate link for every single time
01:28:56
someone purchases something on Amazon on
01:28:59
your
01:28:59
>> every single time.
01:29:00
>> I want to know what that number is based
01:29:03
on this.
01:29:04
>> So high.
01:29:05
>> This is so weird.
01:29:07
>> Sorry. Amazon should be suing Motorola.
01:29:09
Honestly,
01:29:10
>> something like that
01:29:10
>> cuz they're not actually being an
01:29:12
affiliate. They're not actually pushing
01:29:14
people towards
01:29:15
>> Is that going to be their argument is
01:29:16
like, well, we preloaded the Amazon app
01:29:19
so you're welcome. So now here's us
01:29:20
taking
01:29:21
>> Amazon definitely paid a fee for that
01:29:23
already.
01:29:23
>> Yeah, that's what I usually think.
01:29:24
>> This also doesn't feel like something
01:29:26
Motorola like would want to do. It's so
01:29:29
it's like not that obvious, but it's
01:29:31
also so obvious that something is going
01:29:33
on here that
01:29:34
>> seems like something they'd want to do.
01:29:35
>> On the scale of a company like Motorola,
01:29:38
I don't know how much is worth it.
01:29:40
>> It sounds to me like this is like a
01:29:41
weird I feel like have we confirmed
01:29:44
they're making money off of this or is
01:29:46
it like
01:29:46
>> No one's confirmed cuz they don't know.
01:29:48
It's confirmed that it's like an Amazon
01:29:50
affiliate link.
01:29:50
>> Some random intern just like injected.
01:29:52
>> That's what I think it is. Yeah,
01:29:54
>> that would be insane.
01:29:54
>> That'd be crazy. Well, not that if this
01:29:56
is patched by the time the episode comes
01:29:57
out because of how obvious and like
01:30:00
stupid it is, but I am dying to know
01:30:03
what the number is that that link is
01:30:05
connected to because that's so many.
01:30:08
>> Cuz that to me makes well, it doesn't
01:30:09
make sense, but the business logic from
01:30:12
Motorola side, I would want to know how
01:30:14
many times people are clicking that
01:30:16
Amazon app so that I know how much to
01:30:18
charge Amazon. So, I don't know if it's
01:30:20
like a tracker thing or if it's like
01:30:22
they're actually injecting an affiliate
01:30:23
code to make money. It's also Yeah. I
01:30:26
don't know. It's It's a number though in
01:30:28
that that probably would be too small
01:30:29
for Motorola to risk the giant blowback
01:30:32
of this, but is a big enough number to
01:30:35
where like maybe you'd be okay getting
01:30:37
fired.
01:30:37
>> And they sell they sell a lot of phones.
01:30:39
Motorola sells a lot of phones. So if
01:30:42
you make anytime anyone makes a purchase
01:30:44
on Amazon, you make money from that.
01:30:45
That adds up very quickly.
01:30:47
>> It's true. They sell a lot of phones
01:30:48
outside the US,
01:30:49
>> especially in like South America.
01:30:50
>> Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. Interesting.
01:30:53
>> This is I hope we find out. I hope we
01:30:55
find out it's just a tracker to like
01:30:56
keep track of how many clicks and it's
01:30:58
not actually literally hijacking
01:30:59
affiliate links. But
01:31:01
>> if if you look at like the URL it goes
01:31:02
to and stuff, it just all is so weird.
01:31:06
>> I almost feel like it has to be some
01:31:08
sort of rogue Motorola employee or
01:31:11
something doing something.
01:31:13
>> I just hope it goes away immediately
01:31:15
just like this next thing we're about to
01:31:17
talk about.
01:31:18
>> Hey, hey, hey, hey.
01:31:19
>> I'll let you shut your mouth.
01:31:21
>> Okay.
01:31:23
Have you guys ever lived in 1980?
01:31:26
>> No,
01:31:26
>> actually 1970.
01:31:27
>> No, I have not.
01:31:28
>> I might be the closest.
01:31:30
>> Neither have I. But something happened
01:31:33
in 1970 that was pretty cool and it was
01:31:35
called the disco. So Spotify uh recently
01:31:39
updated their app icon. It was a
01:31:41
temporary it is a temporary app icon
01:31:43
update to basically celebrate one of
01:31:45
their anniversaries. They updated the
01:31:47
icon to be a disco ball because Spotify
01:31:50
is already a circle. So, they updated it
01:31:52
to be a disco ball, which is cool.
01:31:53
>> I think it was cute and fun and pretty
01:31:55
and um the internet got very
01:31:58
>> did not
01:31:59
>> very angry about it, which is ridiculous
01:32:02
because do you guys hate fun? Do you
01:32:04
guys just hate I don't understand.
01:32:05
>> Don't change my icon on my phone.
01:32:08
>> Yeah, give me
01:32:09
>> change the icons on my phone.
01:32:10
>> Give me the option.
01:32:11
>> Oh, come on.
01:32:12
>> But uh
01:32:13
>> Oh, come on.
01:32:14
>> It is a disco ball.
01:32:15
>> I'm waiting for it to change back. I'm
01:32:17
kind of tired of
01:32:18
>> Oh my gosh. Yeah, disco balls are like
01:32:20
one of the most
01:32:21
>> they're one of the most universally
01:32:23
loved
01:32:23
>> on Android. Is it
01:32:24
>> disco ball?
01:32:25
>> Yeah, disco balls.
01:32:26
>> But disco ball icons.
01:32:27
>> I don't know. I mean, that's a disco
01:32:29
ball.
01:32:29
>> Well, anyway, um yeah,
01:32:31
>> Spotify changed the logo to be disco
01:32:32
ball. The primary uh reason that people
01:32:35
were mad was because it was too dark of
01:32:37
an icon, I guess. And a lot of people
01:32:39
were making the critique that if you
01:32:40
just brightened it or made it more
01:32:42
vibrant, it would look a lot better. You
01:32:43
know, like a disco ball. Well, disco
01:32:46
balls are not Yeah, I guess they are
01:32:47
kind of bright by default. Anyway, it it
01:32:51
doesn't really matter. The point is, um,
01:32:53
there was a Twitter user, Race Johnson,
01:32:56
who made a tweet and titled it
01:32:58
Discoorphism. And in the tweet, he took
01:33:01
four different app icons
01:33:03
>> and he turned them into disco themed
01:33:05
icons. So, he did YouTube, Claude,
01:33:07
Notion, and this one app that I don't
01:33:09
know what it is.
01:33:11
>> Um, maybe you guys know what that is.
01:33:12
>> Probably AI or something. and he made I
01:33:14
don't think this is AI. I think he
01:33:15
actually did this legit for real for
01:33:18
real on God and it looks pretty good. It
01:33:20
looks very fun. Uh and he did that and
01:33:22
then Samir Samat the president of the
01:33:25
Android ecosystem quote tweeted it and
01:33:28
said should we make this an icon pack?
01:33:31
I responded to Samir and said please
01:33:34
Samir do it for me.
01:33:36
He said we will weigh this heavily to
01:33:39
me. And then four days later, he he
01:33:42
tweeted, "Your wish is our command.
01:33:44
Disco icons are now available on Pixel
01:33:46
as of today. Are you sure you still want
01:33:47
this, David and Race Johnson?"
01:33:49
>> Oh my god, I'm glad he asked for
01:33:51
clarification cuz he's like, "This is a
01:33:53
terrible idea. Are you sure you still
01:33:55
want this?
01:33:55
>> Here's a screenshot. Do you feel bad?"
01:33:58
>> And um
01:33:58
>> I really want this.
01:33:59
>> I still want this. So now if you have a
01:34:01
Pixel phone, you there I don't know if
01:34:04
it's technically an icon pack or if it's
01:34:06
like a theme. Someone was saying that
01:34:08
it's like not the same as like a
01:34:09
traditional icon pack, but all the
01:34:12
Google icons and like various different
01:34:15
uh app icons now have disco icons, which
01:34:18
looks very cool, very fun. I will say a
01:34:21
lot of these are a little rough around
01:34:23
the edges and kind of seem AI generated.
01:34:26
>> Definitely AI generated.
01:34:28
>> Yeah, that's the beauty of Android is
01:34:29
you're allowed to ruin your phone.
01:34:31
>> Yeah, exactly.
01:34:32
>> You can you can just ruin your home
01:34:33
screen however you want. And we've had
01:34:35
that conversation before, like when
01:34:37
Apple introduced like in iOS 18 when
01:34:39
they made it so it was like insanely
01:34:40
ugly cuz everything was like the same
01:34:42
color and gross and weird.
01:34:44
>> Like you have the option to ruin your
01:34:45
phone. But this definitely feels AI
01:34:46
generated because if you look at the
01:34:48
individual disco tiles, some of them
01:34:50
sort of like morph into each other and
01:34:52
kind of like it's like kind of sloppy.
01:34:55
>> Um, Gemini.
01:34:57
>> Regardless, we got Discoorphism. So that
01:35:00
this has now been coined. Uh, it's a
01:35:01
race Johnson coinage and uh, I was just
01:35:05
happy to be part of it even though I did
01:35:06
nothing.
01:35:07
>> Do you want this on your legacy though?
01:35:09
>> Yeah.
01:35:09
>> You do?
01:35:10
>> Yeah. I think this would be a great part
01:35:11
of my legacy. I didn't really do
01:35:13
anything to be clear. It's all race
01:35:14
Johnson. I was just
01:35:15
>> Seems like you're part of this.
01:35:16
>> I mean, I'm part of it.
01:35:18
>> Sure. This is uh,
01:35:19
>> and Samir did it for me in particular.
01:35:21
>> This could be the luche of your design
01:35:23
portfolio.
01:35:24
>> That's fine with me. I would rather be
01:35:26
known as the guy who made the disco
01:35:28
icons happen on Android versus the guy
01:35:30
that designed the Luch.
01:35:31
>> No, no, no. David.
01:35:33
>> Yes. Yes. Yes. Ellis. Yes. Absolutely.
01:35:37
Am I wrong?
01:35:37
>> Fine, actually.
01:35:38
>> Do you disagree?
01:35:38
>> No, that's a good take, actually.
01:35:40
>> Thank you.
01:35:40
>> I just don't think these icons look good
01:35:42
at all.
01:35:42
>> You don't think they look good, do you?
01:35:43
>> How do I do I was trying to put them on,
01:35:45
but
01:35:47
>> I don't think they look good,
01:35:48
>> but I still
01:35:49
>> But you should be allowed to do it.
01:35:50
>> Yeah.
01:35:51
>> Yeah.
01:35:51
>> Especially on Android.
01:35:53
>> That's cool. Yeah, I like that. You
01:35:55
should, you know, we live in America.
01:35:57
Okay.
01:35:57
>> Yeah.
01:35:58
>> All right. Um, that's that. We got the
01:36:02
Discoamorphism. Next week is going to be
01:36:04
a big week because it's the last week
01:36:05
before Dubdub. So, we'll probably have
01:36:07
some predictions, stuff like that. We're
01:36:08
going to be a big Apple week next week.
01:36:10
But until then, we got a bunch of trivia
01:36:13
questions. Not about Dubdub. So, roll
01:36:15
that trivia sound, my friends. I might
01:36:19
need a marker.
01:36:20
Wait, wait, wait, wait. Adam, what
01:36:23
happened? What was the results of last
01:36:24
week's poll?
01:36:25
>> You don't want to know. I don't know how
01:36:26
to quantify all of this.
01:36:28
>> I have an idea.
01:36:30
>> Ask Gemini based on the comments what it
01:36:32
thinks we should do.
01:36:33
>> You think I didn't try that?
01:36:35
>> Okay. What it is?
01:36:36
>> The studio the studio assistant should
01:36:37
have like a studio assistant. Okay.
01:36:39
Wait, let me try it right now live. Hold
01:36:40
on.
01:36:40
>> All right. Try it live.
01:36:41
>> Like based on the comments of this
01:36:42
video, how should we adjust the
01:36:44
scoreboard?
01:36:44
>> So, uh, for those who were not listening
01:36:47
last week or didn't finish the full
01:36:48
episode or have not heard last week's
01:36:50
episode, there were two questions last
01:36:51
week. One of them had to do with Sony
01:36:53
Xperia phones. I put Sony. Andrew put
01:36:56
Xperia. There was a debate.
01:36:58
>> I did not bring this argument back up.
01:37:00
>> There was a debate
01:37:01
>> whether or not I should get the point or
01:37:03
if Andrew should get the point or we
01:37:04
should both get the point. One of And
01:37:06
then Marquez uh misheard. Well, he
01:37:10
didn't mis here. Adam said the word
01:37:11
wrong.
01:37:12
>> And then I fully got
01:37:12
>> But it didn't seem that wrong.
01:37:14
>> Yeah.
01:37:15
>> Yeah. But he got it wrong and so people
01:37:18
>> I answered his question right.
01:37:19
>> Well, yeah. So that was
01:37:22
>> that's fair.
01:37:22
>> Which one of these is not an app? And
01:37:24
then he said it
01:37:25
>> incorrectly. Therefore, the thing he
01:37:28
said out loud was not an app.
01:37:29
>> Correctly identified.
01:37:30
>> Adam basically told the audience.
01:37:32
>> Sorry. Google Gemini was like, "You need
01:37:34
to fix the chapters."
01:37:38
>> No,
01:37:39
>> guys. We do this every week. We fix We
01:37:41
add chapters every week.
01:37:43
>> Funny.
01:37:45
>> Can you tell Gemini to tell YouTube to
01:37:46
fix the chapters? Dude, I've told
01:37:49
YouTube to fix chapters.
01:37:50
>> Gemini is just trained on the most
01:37:52
common things that people say, so I
01:37:54
guess that makes sense.
01:37:54
>> That was really funny.
01:37:56
>> All right. Well, while Adam determines
01:37:57
this, I'm going to uh
01:37:59
>> do the trivia.
01:38:00
>> Is that a good idea, Adam? Do I have
01:38:01
your blessing?
01:38:02
>> Go for it.
01:38:02
>> All right. Blessing received.
01:38:04
>> Blessed.
01:38:05
>> Question number one, y'all.
01:38:06
>> Like the Pope with the Ferrari.
01:38:09
>> Question number one. In late in the
01:38:11
early 2010, so early it was literally
01:38:14
2010, Motorola released a phone that had
01:38:17
an IP67 rating. All over the internet,
01:38:19
people were leaving this phone in
01:38:21
glasses of water and going, "Wow, still
01:38:23
works."
01:38:23
>> Wow. Really?
01:38:25
>> What phone is it?
01:38:27
>> Sorry. What phone is it?
01:38:31
>> It didn't reverb near as much as I
01:38:33
thought it would.
01:38:34
>> What phone is it?
01:38:35
>> There you go.
01:38:40
This is so wrong.
01:38:42
>> Yeah,
01:38:42
>> I don't think I even have a guess.
01:38:44
>> I'm just Yeah, I'm just reminiscing on
01:38:46
old Motorola.
01:38:47
>> Yeah, me too.
01:38:48
>> I'm not.
01:38:50
>> I just wrote
01:38:51
>> You just wrote Moto.
01:38:52
>> I just wrote Well, I didn't make it that
01:38:54
far.
01:38:55
>> We both uh I I wrote Motorola Atrix. I
01:38:59
wrote Motorola Atrix.
01:39:02
>> Moto.
01:39:04
>> It would be really funny. That was right
01:39:06
though. The Atrix is the one that like
01:39:08
>> No, I I just said the company.
01:39:12
>> I actually didn't think about that.
01:39:15
>> Sony only makes one line of phones right
01:39:17
now.
01:39:18
>> The Experia.
01:39:20
>> Motorola makes multiple phones.
01:39:22
>> Is the G emoji stylist?
01:39:23
>> The Razer.
01:39:25
>> Guys, the correct answer was the
01:39:27
Motorola Defy.
01:39:28
>> I've never heard D FY.
01:39:30
>> Actually, I have Defy.
01:39:31
>> I have heard of that.
01:39:32
>> Mhm.
01:39:33
>> Okay. So, Gemini has an answer. Okay,
01:39:36
it's a good answer, too.
01:39:37
>> Okay, and it is an answer.
01:39:39
>> Okay,
01:39:39
>> but first I want to point out that last
01:39:42
week my question was, which of the
01:39:44
following is not a real Google project?
01:39:47
>> I intended the answer to be angle.
01:39:50
>> I was trying to be cute, play off of
01:39:51
Angular, which is a real thing. Multiple
01:39:54
people in the comments also pointed out
01:39:56
that Angle is a real project.
01:39:58
>> Of course it is.
01:39:59
>> Whoa.
01:40:00
>> So Marcus Weirdly is actually the only
01:40:02
one correct.
01:40:03
>> Yeah.
01:40:04
>> Yeah.
01:40:07
It's also a real project, an open source
01:40:10
project. But either way,
01:40:11
>> Gemini said, "Based on the audience
01:40:13
feedback for Google IO colon oops, all
01:40:16
Gemini, the consensus is clear. Andrew
01:40:20
deserves a point for the first trivia
01:40:22
question. Marquez deserves a point for
01:40:24
the second."
01:40:25
>> So, sorry, Dave.
01:40:26
>> AI slop. AI slop.
01:40:28
>> AI slop.
01:40:30
>> Hallucinations.
01:40:32
>> And plus one. At this point, I have to
01:40:34
agree with Marquez getting the point
01:40:35
because of the fact that
01:40:38
>> we probably shouldn't have gotten the
01:40:39
point for.
01:40:40
>> My favorite comment was, I think David
01:40:42
should get the point just because
01:40:45
>> I saw one that said Andrew should get
01:40:46
two and David should get one.
01:40:48
>> Just for the hell of it.
01:40:50
>> Just for the hell of it.
01:40:51
>> Just for the chaos. All right, next
01:40:52
question.
01:40:53
>> Whatever.
01:40:53
>> The first wristbased Fitbit was called
01:40:56
what?
01:40:59
>> I had something in my head. Did you know
01:41:02
>> Atrix?
01:41:04
>> Put it on the board.
01:41:08
>> I don't remember what it is.
01:41:09
>> Also, was the Motorola Atrix the first
01:41:10
one that had a fingerprint sensor on the
01:41:12
back?
01:41:12
>> Yeah.
01:41:12
>> Yeah.
01:41:12
>> Damn, that was a good phone.
01:41:13
>> And there was a Yeah, 4G. Um,
01:41:15
>> it had the dock, too. Wait, hold on.
01:41:16
Hold on.
01:41:17
>> Yeah, the dock.
01:41:20
>> I wanted to make that.
01:41:21
>> Oh my god. I wanted that phone so bad.
01:41:23
>> Sure. H I had something in my head
01:41:25
earlier, but I completely forgot.
01:41:26
>> All right. Well, what do you got? Flip
01:41:27
it and read.
01:41:30
>> Oh, that's a good one.
01:41:32
Uh, I I just guessed Fitbit one.
01:41:36
>> Too logical. Too logical. Sorry.
01:41:37
>> I just wrote Fibbit,
01:41:39
>> which is actually typo we made in the
01:41:42
the main channel.
01:41:44
>> It's one of those like letters that's
01:41:46
like four people watched that video and
01:41:48
none of us caught it.
01:41:49
>> Yeah.
01:41:50
>> Like I wrote Ara, but it's like all al
01:41:53
Fitbit, isn't it?
01:41:55
>> It is the Fitbit Flex.
01:41:57
>> That was the first flex your wrist. I
01:41:59
actually
01:41:59
>> No, but it's cuz it was like that rubber
01:42:01
kind of flex.
01:42:03
>> Is that considered flexing?
01:42:05
>> Actually, it's like literally the only
01:42:06
thing your wrist does pretty much.
01:42:07
>> Just flex. Yeah, I guess you're right.
01:42:09
>> Flex and rotate.
01:42:10
>> All right, good name. Flex, huh? Well,
01:42:12
we learned something. That is good. I am
01:42:13
glad that I got a point from last week.
01:42:16
That feels really good. Uh, yeah. Feel
01:42:18
free to let us know now that you've made
01:42:20
it this far into the video. Would you
01:42:22
think the luch
01:42:25
isn't as bad if it wasn't a $600,000
01:42:28
Ferrari?
01:42:29
>> What if it was a Nissan?
01:42:31
>> What if it was
01:42:33
>> What if it was literally
01:42:34
>> Looks like a Nissan to me.
01:42:35
>> What if it was literally a Nissan?
01:42:36
>> Then I would say that's a Nissan.
01:42:38
>> Yeah. Would we even be talking about it?
01:42:41
Probably not.
01:42:42
>> No.
01:42:42
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