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This is awesome. And this is also like among all the AI and like overpromising and random crap that we see at CES. Like
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this is just a real thing that is just great. >> Specifically said there's no AI in this
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product at all. >> Yo, what is up people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the
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Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez. >> I'm Andrew.
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>> And I'm David. first episode of 2026. >> Let's go. >> It's good to be back. It's really good
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to be back. And since we took the last week of the year off, there's actually a
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ton of stuff to talk about, like a metric and it's CES. >> So, we we have plenty of that. We also
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have an AR glasses startup that's in a bit of a pickle. Uh you'll get that
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later. >> Adam's got it. >> Thank you. >> Sorry, I'm a little rusty.
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CES of course, but also we're going to wrap it up with some 2026 predictions
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because it's the first episode of the year and we like to do that sort of stuff. Uh it's been like two weeks since
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we had our first but first but first Ellis >> someone asked me my battery percentage.
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>> Uh what's uh >> what's your battery percentage now? >> My battery percentage is 41%.
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But not for the reason you think. >> What happened Ellis? >> Yeah. Some of you may have seen from my
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Instagram/reddit, >> but pause for a dramatic effect. >> This guy, >> this purple guy,
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>> were you sitting on that? >> He's laid to rest. >> He's the iPhone mini people.
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>> iPhone 12 mini. >> Beautiful iPhone 12 mini. No case, purple finish, 64 GB.
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>> She's done. >> No longer. >> We now have >> silver.
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>> The silver 17 right. You got the exact correct model. >> It's beautiful. This is a massive change
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for you. >> It's crazy how much I missed. >> I jumped five generations of iPhone in
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one day. >> This is what it's all about. You wait as long as you possibly can until your
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phone is on its dying breath. >> It's crazy. I have, >> dude, I am downloading apps
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>> like nobody's business. I think of an app. I'm walking down the street. I'm
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like, the Target app. I shop at Target for on my phone now. It's crazy. You guys,
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>> what is the So, you're at 46% because you didn't charge it over.
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>> Because I never need to charge this phone. I'm never charging it. I swear.
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And then it's beautiful. It's beautiful. I go to sleep with it in my hand. Wake
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up, there's still like 50% battery life left. >> Fall asleep watching reals.
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>> I'm on the same This is a tangent, but I I haven't charged the OnePlus 15 since
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two days ago. It's at 52%. Just cuz I just don't charge it. >> No, it's sick. You go over to your
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girlfriend's house and you're like, I left a phone charger at home. Doesn't
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matter. Who cares? >> Literally, who cares? Um, >> but your girlfriend doesn't have a USBC
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charger. >> Doesn't matter if she does or doesn't. >> I didn't even ask.
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>> Not even worried. >> Yeah. >> All right. >> Um, uh, camera control. I like it.
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>> Just to open the camera. How long? >> You don't deserve that phone.
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>> How long have you >> So, camera control was really nice for the first two weeks, I would say.
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>> I just use it to open the camera. Same. >> Yeah. So, I actually have it set to open
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the Moment Pro camera, which the slider doesn't interact with. >> Smart.
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>> In the actual Apple camera app, I use it all the time, though. And I have it uh
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like cuz you can, you know how you can order the um you can turn on or off different things it controls. And then
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you can also change what it controls by default and the order of the options in the menu. And once you have that tuned,
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>> cuz I'm always changing the exposure of the Apple camera app. I used to do tone
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and I just thought I was going to use that all the time and then I just stopped using it.
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>> Oh, I use it. I love it. I I'm a camera control demon. >> Wow. Okay. All right.
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>> Action button. I'm kind of so so on. >> I'll just wait. >> I'll just wait.
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>> I just haven't I haven't found a thing that I'm like >> I'm I would like to start the countdown
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timer until this flips. >> Yeah. >> Where you're an action button demon and
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you're like I'm kind of done with camera control. I just kind of point and shoot
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and the photos are all pretty good. But action Oh, I can't live without the action button anymore.
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>> Really? What is your action button set to? >> Uh, it opens my to-do list app. Formerly
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was opening my camera app, but there's just so many ways to open the camera.
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>> Yeah, it's true. >> I got to say, I haven't used my action
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button in a while. >> It is. It is tied to Gemini voice mode. >> That's why.
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>> And I just don't use that very much anymore. >> Yeah. >> Wait,
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>> can any of you shortcuts people? >> Yes. >> No, >> that is what the action button is for.
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Yeah. >> Whatever Apple gave you, ignore it. Just make it shortcuts. >> That's a good take. It's just shortcuts
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aren't that good yet. We all know what the iPhone 17 Pro is. We did a review on
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it. Why? What broke the camel's back. >> Yeah. Like we've been wait for the full
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>> We've been doing this for like 2 years of when are you going to upgrade and no
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one's asked you the question of like >> why it was there was something.
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>> Let's see. It was the end of the year. It was cold. >> Yeah. >> We were about to go on break.
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>> The battery is even worse when it's cold. >> I hadn't gotten sick yet. I was like
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sick all the whole holidays. There was some I don't remember. there was something where like I needed to do
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something or that was like only in an app and my phone just like would not download it or like it was the thing cuz
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like the I think I've mentioned this a bunch of times but the the biggest problem with the 12 mini in its current
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state was that the digitizer was so >> bad. It was the memory. It was just
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having so much trouble memory swapping. And so the digitizer was always crashing. And so it was like 60% of my
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touch inputs would either just not register or register in a completely random wrong place. And then if any of
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if any of the screen conditions changed, like for example, like >> a drop of water or a speck of dust
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>> like hit any part of the screen and the capacitance changed, I would have to
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fully lock and unlock the phone for the digitizer to like reset it. It's >> like using a phone underwater
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>> and it kind of right and then like >> um you know what it really was? You know
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what broke the camel's back actually? It was the memory swap had gotten so bad
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that >> most of the time the lock and unlock button it wouldn't recognize presses.
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Like the button itself was fine. It was that like the command was so late and then I'd get frustrated and I'd like hit
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it a bunch of times which would trigger Siri. >> That's the straw. >> Siri on
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>> and then Siri would always >> Siri uses so much RAM that the memory
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swap would entirely fail and the phone would just crash. And so I'd be in the
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process of trying to lock my phone so I could put it in my pocket and end up just like fully crashing it and boot
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cycling it. And I was just like >> and I was like and I just realized like
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I wasn't going to make it another calendar year. >> How do you feel about the size now that
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you're >> You know what's really funny is the first week or two I had it,
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>> I was so convinced they accidentally sold me the Pro Max. I was like, "This
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thing is ginormous." I kept see I kept going into my phone and like looking at
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like the about me to be like it's a pro. No, it says pro. And then I'd look at
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the box and be like but it says I'm sure it's a pro. And then I'd see someone on
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like a plane or on the street and be like their pro looks and it it looks it looks smaller than mine. I have to have
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the phone. It's >> funny cuz when I handle a regular pro, I'm like this is the tiniest phone I've
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ever held in my life. >> Yeah, I'm totally used to it now. This feels tiny. And also what's really funny
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is they're pretty similar weights too. >> That is funny. Uh, with the unibody you
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want to, >> you know, the titanium would have even been 10% lighter. >> Did Did you ever play Mario Party 2?
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>> No, not a million years old. >> Wow. >> There's a game called Dizzy Dancing
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where like all the controls are backwards. >> Oh, I do. >> And that's what it sounds like using
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your 12 mini was like just like every time you try and do something it does the opposite of.
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>> Speaking of all the controls being backwards, really quick. >> Mhm.
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>> So, I'm using a 2008 Mac Pro at home. Um, >> damn. Yeah, it's running Mac OS Yoseite.
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>> It's almost 20 years old. >> It's airgapped. >> Is Yose the first
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>> I can almost drink. >> Wait, is after High Sierra? >> No, it's before.
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>> So, you're still running 32-bit apps? >> That's right. >> Hell yeah.
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>> Well, I'm not running any apps on my computer. >> But for some reason, the mouse decided
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that left is right. Up is still up and down is still down, but left is right and right is left.
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>> Is this a Logitech mouse? >> No, you can fix that in the settings. a
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magic mouse. >> It No, it's like a default. >> It's in No, it's in the Mac OS settings.
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You can fix >> When I move the mouse to the right, it goes left. >> They they built that.
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>> No, that's that's in there for some reason. >> Are you sure?
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>> I remember. I remember like when you're a kid and your computer doesn't have any
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games and so you just at the settings and all day. I remember finding that >> because it was very normal for the last
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year and then I woke up one day and I was like, >> "Wait, what kind of mouse is this?"
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>> It's literally like the cheapest like I think it's What is the Best Buy? like uh
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in insignia. >> Oh, it's >> that might just be the mouse. >> Well, yeah. I mean, I think I think
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something happened to the mouse. >> I knew someone who was lefty who used a
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righty mouse upside down in their left hand. >> Stop. So, they clicked it with their
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palm. >> Yeah. >> E. >> There's a whole Anyway. >> Okay. All right. Well,
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>> but I do I do have one more thing. >> Okay. I have something also.
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>> Oh, great. Cuz we went a long time without our one thing. >> We all have wine, by the way.
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>> No, it's literally all Okay. The the mouse thing was I I need to close out this by saying
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>> there were so many people that even when I teased the fact that I got a new phone
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like reached out in agony like the amount of comments I I got that were just like
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>> no no no. So uh >> I think we should have a burial glue it to the
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>> Yeah. I have a framed uh a framed picture of this it with an a halo over
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it in the um audio room and then I'll probably just not charge my phone on Tuesday night so you can still ask me
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what my battery percent is. >> Hell yeah. So we can keep keep it going. I'd have to be a degenerate somehow.
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>> That's going to be awesome. Yeah, we should just have it behind you.
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>> But I'm sorry to everyone who wanted to see my life continue to suck
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>> to all my haters. >> So I have my quick story is um I finally got the Hustelblad X2D Mark I.
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>> Now you might be wondering, Marquez, how did you get it? What was going on? The
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the long backstory is I ordered the Hustelblad X2D Mark II and the 35 to 100 from B&H in August of last year. So,
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it's been 6 months since I placed my order. >> So, waiting, waiting, waiting. And it
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says like, "Yes, it's a new item. It's backorded. It's in high demand. Like,
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we'll get to your order in the order it was received." Fine. >> I get an order saying, "Oh, expect your
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order sometime in September." In this rough section of weeks, that time comes
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and goes. They send me another update automated saying actually December, sometime in this span in December. I
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said all right, you know what, fine. And I, you know, I had my review unit. It was fine. I said, I'll wait. That span
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in December comes and goes. I get another automated email saying sometime in January. Now it's the second week of
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January. I'm starting to think, I don't know if I'm going to get this order from
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B&H or not. Maybe I should just cancel this and, you know, try Adorama or something else like someone else might
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have it in stock. I start poking around seeing who has it in stock. Um, on Monday of this week, I call B&H and I
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go, "Hey, I have this order in my account. You got to scroll down a little bit. It's from August, 6 months ago.
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It's for this House of Blad camera. Do you know anything about this order? If
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there's any update of when I might get it." The guy pauses for a second. He
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goes, "Oh, yeah. This House of Blood." Hold on. Give me one second real quick.
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Let me >> Oh, yeah. Uh, looks like it just got to us today and we'll be shipping out to
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you tomorrow. >> Cap. >> Yeah. There's no way that happened. >> What?
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>> They forgot about you, Marquez. They forgot about your order. >> Sure enough, yesterday it shipped, today
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it arrived. >> They forgot about your order. >> So, >> 100%. >> Either
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>> all you have to do is call this whole time. >> Yeah. I'm like, either it was a
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unbelievable coincidence or they have it set up to where these are very very backordered, but if you don't call, they
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just don't prioritize you. But if you do call, then they'll front you in the
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queue. And maybe if they recognize your name, they put you at the top of the list or something. But like, I called
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and they Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. shipping tomorrow. >> That sounded incredibly suspicious to
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me. >> I guess they forgot. >> How do you forget? They've never forgotten an order from me in
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>> Well, honestly, >> they don't even take orders on Saturdays >> to be fair
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>> online. You can't even order something on >> But they've been sending me those
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automated backordered please wait emails. So, they had it in the system. It was just a matter of
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>> truthfully, I would I guess I was saying I don't think they have the priority
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queue. My guess is if it was a mistake, they forgot. I actually weirdly believe that it was a coincidence.
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>> My first is so good with us and then like >> they're right across the river. Every
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time I order something, the next day it shows up. Like if it's in stock, it shows up super fast. This is a rare high
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demand backorded item with like reviews trickling in from people getting it. And
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I was just like, when am I going to get mine >> and people being scared it might not
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come because of the DJI ban? >> Yeah, Hustelblad, for those who don't know, is owned by DJI and there's at
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least some sort of DJI ban on new products, but this is not a new product. It's six months old as we know. So the
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the band's coming up on now, but the product is not new anymore. So it was confusing. But hey, that's my update. It
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showed up. I took it out the box today. It was >> Oh, so it came in. >> It it came in.
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>> Oh, literally like 20 minutes ago. >> I unboxed it 20 minutes ago.
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>> Nice. >> He literally unboxed it and then was like, "All right, I'm ready to pause."
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And walked in the room. >> I just had to open it and look at it. It's really
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>> Yes. Very nice. Very nice. >> I have a quick thing. It's nothing
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person. Well, it's kind of personal. Oh, it's not really that personal. This
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happened. We recorded Wednesday, like two weeks ago. This got released on Thursday. Our episode came out Friday,
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but we missed it. But people in our in our Discord were >> upset that we didn't talk about it.
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>> They weren't upset. They were just like, "Look what happened. Look what
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happened." >> Android QPR3 beta 1 >> is allowing Pixel users >> to toggle off at a glance on your home
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screen. >> They finally did it. >> Let's go. Oh, it's the best thing ever.
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>> Yeah, man. This would be the biggest news of the day. Still dailing the
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pixel. >> There was like a there was a Reddit post a few weeks ago that was like, "Why
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hasn't the Waveform podcast talked about how you can't toggle off?" And I was
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like, "Okay, we have talked about this so many times. First of all, second of
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all, it is going to happen in like a week. You got to read the news." >> There was very specifically like a why
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didn't they talk about this? And all the comments were like, "Andrew >> that every other week."
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>> Actually hasn't stopped talking about it. >> Every week there's a counter.
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>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That's incredible. >> Well, shout out to the Pixel Ders out
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there. All right. So, it's 2026. What's happening in 2026? First item I would
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consider bad news. >> No. >> But it is uh the ROG phone and the Zen phone are no more, at least for 2026.
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Yeah. They're not discontinued, but they're not going to do a new one for
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2026. >> The headlines are great at baiting this because it was like >> it was like the Zen phone and ROG phone
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are discontinued >> in 2026. It's like wait a minute. >> It's almost like uh when a player is
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suspended with no definitive return date. First of all, >> indefinitely. >> Yeah, indefinitely. It's an indefinite
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thing. So, it's like, oh, for 2026, it's not coming back. But they're not saying
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there is a 2027. We're just going to have to play it by ear. And the Zen phone was effectively cancelled. Like
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they made this new Xen phone Ultra last year and it was not even close to the same type of thing. So
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>> yeah, down goes that down goes RG phone. Right as they were kind of becoming a
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mainstream phone, they were kind of like taking the teeth out of it and it was sort of a a gaming issue.
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>> Maybe they just saw that the ROG conversion to a normie phone did not work. Maybe that's what they were
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seeing. It was kind of, you know, how eventually every enthusiast device becomes the opposite of what you want.
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It was kind of that like it was very much the gaming phone for a while and then >> they decided they wanted to sell it to
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more people and they kind of added wireless charging and made the screen on the back a little smaller and a little
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bit softer and a little bit less aggressive and suddenly it's just a phone. >> Yeah.
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>> And so those people who wanted the gaming phone didn't buy it, but people
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who wanted a regular phone weren't about to go get an RG phone. So it just kind
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of fizzled and now here we are. When you're for everyone, you're for no one.
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That's what they say. >> That's bars. >> I thought it was if you stand for
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nothing, then what will you fall for? >> Also bars. >> I'd fall for you.
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>> Nice. >> If everyone is good, then no one is good. >> No. >> True. Yeah, I guess.
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>> Speaking of pickles, >> I'm just saying I think what I said is a
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real quote. >> All right, we're going with this pickle. >> Do you want to get into the pickle?
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>> This is a big thing. I am aware of the pickle situation solely by I can't
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believe I said the sentence. I'm aware of the pickle situation solely by like a
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handful of tweets. >> Mhm. >> All I've seen is first there was an
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announcement of a new AR headset glasses headset. >> Called Pickle at pickle.com.
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>> Yeah. And it had this really long like five minute hype video about how this is
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a computer for the soul and it was this full, you know, AR experience with this wide field of view and 12 hour battery
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life and all this amazing stuff. And I'm being tagged constantly in comments about it.
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Marquez, Marquez, Marquez, Marquez, look at this thing. This is probably not real. And so I went ahead to pickle.com
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and placed my pre-order >> because I am the type of person that gives it the benefit of the doubt. I
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understand the what's the opposite of that when you're like um >> you don't believe
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>> cynical. I'm I I understand the cynical version of this which is this is fake.
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This is a scam. I don't believe anything that's coming out of these people's
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mouths. But >> yeah, >> I'm uh I'm supposed to be giving everything a fair shot. I'm a tech
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reviewer. Why go pre-order an Apple product and then not go pre-order the pickle product which could be which
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could be >> maybe because of the name >> could be awesome. Right. So I watched
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the video. This looks really interesting. It's a technology I think would be really cool. I pre-order.
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Right. I give them my money. I think it's like $200. >> Before you get to that, do you want me
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to do I have like a rundown of what their Yeah. Yeah. Let me >> Yeah, you can give like the high level
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is >> I'm going to try and go pretty quick here. >> Also why it's called Do you know why
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it's called Clever? I guess. >> Okay. So, let's see. This launched on
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January 1st, the the video that kind of went around and it was making its rounds
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on Twitter all over the place. Partially because Twitter is like super optimistic
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about any tech that they could pretend to invest in and also really cynical about tech because of people like Humane
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that just scammed a bunch of people. Um, so these glasses, they're they're AR
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glasses. They call them a soul computer, whatever the means. Um, and like the easiest way to describe them is do you
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know those like silver Oakley '90s sunglasses? Like imagine those without a bottom like the the they're really sleek
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looking, pretty modern. They kind of have like two black boxes for some sort of sensor presumably on the side, but
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they're very small, very sleek. Um, so uh they claim that in this video they
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released, they kind of do a keynote sort of keynote presentation about what they
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are. Um, they claim there's 68 grams. They claim they have one of the widest
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field of views and brightnesses designed for everyday life. Um, it shows examples
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of how it might be used. Maybe you're like looking at designs on cookies or you're looking at a guitar on how to
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play a certain song and it's showing the things in your field of view. Um, they
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then say it's the lightest personal computer in history. Remember that line later. Um, and it's AI focused, but in
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this way that's like it wants to ask you questions before you would ask it questions.
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>> Yeah. >> So, the examples they used were like you your plane lands and you get your
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baggage and you're like walking out to the door and it's like, do you want me
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to call your ride share >> or um what was the other one they said? Uh, oh, it's like she's about to throw
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out this toy and it's like, no, look at all these pictures of blah blah blah.
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That's their favorite toy. Like, don't do that. Bad. Um because that's parents
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need to AI to tell them what toy their kid's favorite is. Um >> and so yeah, they show like a live demo
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where this their big thing is all this AI is behind these like avatars which there was like a cat, there was a music
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note, there was some like anime girl, there was a lot of weird things, but I didn't think that was the weirdest part
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of it honestly. Um, and then they have something called Pickle OS, which is a memory based operating system where it
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seems along the lines of it like it watches what you're doing and creates these like memory bubbles that then go
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to pickle OS and then you can go to like pickle.com and go to pickle OS there and there's
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this like huge web of like memory bubbles and then the AI in that will use those as context. Yeah,
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>> it felt >> sounds like the rabbit OS thing. I thought it sounded like a rabbit rabbit
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hole. >> A rabbit hole portal. >> I think the thing that got me about this
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was the idea of augmenting slashimproving human life in general and and doing it through something that you
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wear so you're always wearing it and it's always collecting information. It
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requires something that can last all day and actually that you wear all day. So,
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I don't know if you saw Razer at CES just announced an AR slash AI um heads head set of headphones with cameras on
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them. And it's like they can still see what's in front of you and then you have
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all these experiences and it has a longer battery life because it's headphones and all that, but it's like
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I'm not going to walk around wearing massive headphones all day. So, this is
00:21:54
a pair of glasses that theoretically someone might want to actually wear all day. And so, it collects your memories
00:22:00
all day and it can help you out with the AR display in your field of view all day, which is like an interesting idea
00:22:08
for a product. >> I mean, yeah, that's what everyone wants to do right now. Everyone wants to be
00:22:11
your memory. >> But you might also remember the the AR glasses that I reviewed or at least
00:22:16
showed from Meta >> have like a threeh hour battery life or something like that. like there's no way
00:22:22
those would last all day. They're also a little too heavy to wear all day. So,
00:22:25
Pickle comes along. This is a company we've never heard of with a bunch of people we've never seen before that are
00:22:29
claiming all these worlds firsts and a 12-hour battery life and being lighter than anything we've ever seen. So, it
00:22:36
comes across really hard to believe, but it's still an interesting idea for a
00:22:41
product. That's where I landed with it. >> Yeah. And so there it's going to be
00:22:46
$1,400, but there's a a like early adopter 800 or $900 pre-order right now um with a refundable
00:22:54
$200 deposit. >> They're claiming batch 2 should be out by Q4 2026. So that's a pretty uh
00:23:02
>> in a year. >> Yeah, that's optimistic. >> It's both optimistic and annoyingly far
00:23:07
out. Like I've talked about products just being announced way before they're
00:23:11
done. Like this is one of those things like when I talked about the the Neo robot, it was the same thing. Oh well,
00:23:16
we need all this data and all this AI collection and all this stuff, but we can't get that unless it's in people's
00:23:20
homes. So, we just have to announce this >> and then just hope it starts working and
00:23:24
gathering info and be starts becoming good. >> This isn't even ready to start shipping
00:23:29
yet. So, they're announcing all these capabilities and this thing. >> They're claiming batch one's coming out
00:23:34
by Q2, but I think it's very small. a couple months from now it'll start
00:23:37
shipping, but it's like what do I have to base my uh either cynicism or optimism off of just the videos?
00:23:45
>> Well, and that kind of becomes one of the issues here is this turns into this
00:23:50
gigantic Twitter argument which I don't really feel like getting into because
00:23:54
Twitter arguments are never worth getting into. >> I can summarize it pretty fast. I mean I
00:23:58
the basically what it boils down to is somebody taking all the things that they claimed and showing why that's not
00:24:04
possible to then the CEO of Pickle writing this manifestoesque document like trying to rebuttal everything.
00:24:12
>> Huge tweet >> which the the the TLDDR of all of it is there's no way you can have this battery
00:24:18
life. There's no way you can have this type of compute. There's no way you can
00:24:20
have this lightness. to which they basically respond, "Well, yeah, but all of it is attached to your phone, which
00:24:26
is which does all the computing, and that's how we can accept all of this."
00:24:29
>> Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. What? >> Yep. >> Exactly. >> With a cable.
00:24:34
>> Not a cable. It is wireless. But your phone is doing all the computing.
00:24:37
Apparently, the cameras are really low quality. They're not meant for really
00:24:40
capturing things. They're meant for seeing things in context, which that whole memory sphere thing makes no sense
00:24:46
now because if we're all >> it can use context, but like I want to see my little bubbles in Piccolo OS.
00:24:52
>> So, okay. Yeah. I think the general sentence >> the brand new sentence.
00:24:58
>> The general vibe that I got was this guy, I forgot his name, but this guy on
00:25:02
Twitter being like, "Hey, pickle people, you are overpromising." That's what he's
00:25:07
saying. You're overpromising. and he goes through all the ways that they're
00:25:10
overpromising. And then I read the like response basically from this I guess CEO
00:25:15
which goes through all the ways that he's talking about how they're not overpromising. One of them was on
00:25:19
battery life. He's like you're overpromising. 12 hour battery life is insane. Meta is getting 3 hours. How are
00:25:23
you going to promise this? >> And the response was essentially we are still getting like 3 to four
00:25:30
hours of active AR use on the display but in between we are getting a longer standby life because we're using a dual
00:25:36
chip architecture. We have a high power chip for all the AR stuff and then a low
00:25:40
power background chip. This has been proven in wearables before. We have a low power standby mode and then we have
00:25:44
a high power inuse mode. So, it's going to be able to last 12 hours because the
00:25:48
low power chip runs in between all the AR use and the mixed use will still get you 3 to four hours of AR. That was his
00:25:54
response. The other thing about overpromising was like field of view. He's like, well, how are you going to
00:26:00
get 30 degrees of field of view if MET is only getting 20? to which the builder basically replies, "Just because Meta
00:26:06
has done 20 doesn't mean 30 is impossible." Well, fine. >> And to be fair, the guy said 30 is
00:26:12
possible, but it just doesn't seem like with the specs and lightness and everything that they're using, it does
00:26:16
not seem possible. >> And so, basically, it just kind of goes down the list one by one of this guy
00:26:20
going, "You're overpromising." And then the CEO going, "Well, we're making it,
00:26:24
so >> that that's that's going to have to be the proof is them actually shipping what
00:26:29
they claim." But the one thing that seems the most disputed is their website
00:26:33
and a lot of the claims in the videos used to say that this was a standalone device where you just buy the glasses
00:26:39
and they do the thing. And now their website and a lot of the claims sort of rest on the fact that this is actually
00:26:45
not a standalone device. It relies on your phone. It connects to your phone. You use this phone for your setup and
00:26:50
then it constantly uses the phone for a lot of other things. That's the main
00:26:54
thing that I think they're caught with that they have to admit now. Great. Well, cuz in the in the video they never
00:26:59
claim it connects to a phone. He calls it a personal superco computer multiple times. Um, and then like he on the
00:27:06
website, this is the original thing. It said, "Do I need a smartphone to use
00:27:09
Pickle One?" It says, "Pickle One is a standalone device, but pairs with
00:27:12
Piccolo app on iOS and Android for initial setup, data management, and granular granular privacy control." So,
00:27:19
like that it does not need your phone after you set it up. >> But then his way of explaining Yeah.
00:27:26
like that it needs uh or his way of explaining how it can do so much of the stuff on a long battery life and be so
00:27:32
light is because so much compute is coming from your phone and now they've gone there's this weird bet they have
00:27:37
going on with it. It's all don't read it. It's not worth it. But like
00:27:41
>> on the camera thing though that you mentioned which is interesting. He he
00:27:45
talks a lot in that huge tweet about how much power and how much extra hardware it takes to do high quality video and
00:27:52
photo recording like the meta glasses do. like everyone uses that for firstperson video. Those big heavy
00:27:57
sensors and all the compute for processing to do that are not in this. This is like a a lowowered low res
00:28:03
camera that has enough information to see what's going on in front of you but
00:28:07
isn't like a high quality recording for your memory. Well, this is also a standout about why this uh video felt
00:28:15
weird because at a point in it, it claims to do a live demo, >> which you would assume is coming because
00:28:21
he's doing it in front of the cameras and then it's showing his point of view
00:28:24
seeing the cameras, but the quality is fairly good coming from it, which produced
00:28:29
>> basically proves that it's not a live demo. >> Didn't he admit that everything in the
00:28:33
video was done in After Effects? >> Oh, did he? Oh, I missed that. Okay, so
00:28:37
that's not a live demo. Yeah, you which is the thing is like you can't you it's
00:28:42
very difficult to record what you would actually see in a way that replicates like what the human eye would
00:28:49
>> which is why when we did the meta glasses we used an overlay and then we
00:28:53
had to take a separate recording and then overlay the g the UI over the recording. It was like a whole thing.
00:28:59
But on the other but he's using the >> it makes it seem like he's using the
00:29:04
cameras from the glasses to look forward and then they would overlay with After Effects. I don't think he's even using
00:29:10
those cameras because the quality was higher grade than what he's claiming. >> Yeah. A lot of misleading stuff in that
00:29:16
demo. >> It's a million red flags. >> Yeah. Yeah. It just seems like everyone
00:29:19
is trying to figure out the way to make the right context computer. And I I I can if if it is actually like
00:29:27
lowresolution video that you don't really need to watch, but it just gets context about your life. That's what
00:29:33
they're trying to do here. But it is confusing and misleading when all of the
00:29:36
assets on the website, all the assets that they post on Twitter are these videos that show this like high quality
00:29:42
like, oh, here's all this data coming in on the side and it's this video of your
00:29:46
life and the Piccolo website shows you your actual memories of your kids and everything you're doing. That's just not
00:29:52
what it's doing. >> I think I guess the challenge is trying to illustrate what the human eye will
00:29:58
see. So the human eye will see highquality real world and then an overlay on top of it,
00:30:03
>> but the captures from the cameras will not be high quality, >> which is fine, but they're not
00:30:09
distinguishing that. They're just making a pretty video >> and it makes the Piccolo OS website a
00:30:13
little confusing because it's like what are you when you have those memory bubbles, what are you actually going to
00:30:18
see? >> So I think it it wants to be the context for the the AI chatbot in there of that
00:30:25
it can then use the context of your life. But when I first see that, I think to myself like, whoa, I can see all
00:30:31
these memories, which I can, but they're just going to be in very low quality.
00:30:34
>> Have you tried the OS on the website? >> I don't. It says like sign up with your
00:30:38
Google account and then I didn't really know what to do with it because I don't
00:30:42
have anything to do. Um there's one other Twitter response kind of where apparently in November they had had a
00:30:49
like really really small um event where you could like a demo event. Yeah. And so somebody
00:30:57
had responded to an old tweet of someone saying they were there and the person who was there named Will said the demo
00:31:02
didn't work and the displays were not in the units. Daniel Park the CEO says I'm
00:31:07
sorry it didn't work for you. It did work for about 90% of the participants.
00:31:11
Um and then the guy responds uh 90% is definitely a stretch for the demo day feedback. I went with a group
00:31:17
of four people out of 30 participants. One of my friends arrived early. The other three of us arrived later. the
00:31:22
demo route had like 15 people and I didn't meet a single person who could share an experience trying it out and
00:31:27
then he says not a huge issue you guys are moving fast super excited so >> what
00:31:31
>> but I don't it just feels weird that he's like oh it was a network issue why
00:31:34
it wasn't working early on but like everyone else got it to work and he's
00:31:37
like but I was the one later and they it just didn't have displays in it and
00:31:40
didn't work >> those early demos are cooked same thing with rabbit right
00:31:43
>> this is like those old days of rabbit demos >> yeah that just did not work cuz they're
00:31:48
like we're doing it live it looks like the so you can try the website, which I
00:31:52
guess is just trying it without actually using anything, but there's no memories.
00:31:55
>> You have to you connect your Gmail, your Google calendar, your Slack, your
00:31:59
notion, your chat, your Claude, your Granola, your Fireflies, your Fathom, your TLDD.
00:32:04
>> It has a bunch of third party connections you can do like to be part of the context of your life.
00:32:10
>> Yeah, at least that at least they figured that out early, >> maybe.
00:32:14
>> You know what I mean? Or it's all on the website. That's the sad part about all
00:32:17
this is I actually I kind of like the idea of like thinking about what could the post smartphone personal computer be
00:32:24
and all of these early examples we're seeing are all pretty bad. Yeah. >> Like if you go all the way back to the
00:32:29
humane pin which is trying to be a post smartphone personal computer with AI context awareness blah blah or even the
00:32:36
rabbit or even the whatever other stuff I have on my desk that I bought that I haven't tried yet which is like a a
00:32:41
personal assistant that you wear around your neck like a necklace. Man, I needed to try the friend.
00:32:46
>> Like, the most impressive tech demos I've seen have been from the Meta ones
00:32:49
because of the literal field of view and image overlaid over the real world. Like, that was pretty cool. But still,
00:32:56
like I don't want to wear those every day. It's kind of heavy. It only has a
00:32:58
three-hour battery life. So, at this point, it's still only just been interesting slices of like how that
00:33:03
world could look. Just, oh, what if it was glasses? Oh, what if it was a pin? Oh, what if it was a necklace? Oh, what
00:33:09
if it had really cool displays? And I think we're going to see a Google thing
00:33:13
maybe like smart glasses this year. Like we're gonna start to slowly see bigger
00:33:17
companies try more and more complete products. >> And I still have a little bit of
00:33:22
cynicism from the old stuff. But I'm trying to be optimistic. I'm trying to
00:33:25
give it a chance, give it a fair shot. So when the complete product does come along,
00:33:30
>> I'll be ready. >> What if it was your phone? >> Well, that's where I'm at.
00:33:35
>> The supercomput and like all those examples was still just your phone. I
00:33:38
mean, I ended the humane video with like the smartphone is so good. It's It's OP.
00:33:43
It fits in my pocket. It's kind of like if we didn't have smartphones, we would
00:33:46
be trying to invent something that we could just like slide in our pocket and we take out this little box that has
00:33:51
cameras and supercomputers and an internet connection and an awareness of everything you do and who you talk to.
00:33:55
>> Yeah. >> And then you crumpled it back up and put in your pocket.
00:33:58
>> Yeah. It's >> I just think that like people do not want to have to use and wear additional
00:34:05
stuff that they wouldn't already be using on their daily in their daily life.
00:34:08
>> Yeah. The wearing is hard. >> The reason that the meta glasses make a
00:34:11
lot of sense is cuz you're just buying Ray-B bands and then you use them and
00:34:15
then they have additional properties. Like you charge them sometimes. >> Yeah. You charge them some. And people
00:34:19
use they they use sunglasses. If you're you get the ones that have prescriptions, they're just smart
00:34:24
regular glasses. Like that makes the most sense. the pins and stuff make less sense because people don't want to keep
00:34:31
sticking an additional product on themselves every >> day. >> I feel like I would almost argue the
00:34:36
opposite that a pin as a non-glasses wearer, I don't want to wear >> fake glasses during the day.
00:34:42
>> That becomes the the question is like if you don't have glasses like how does it
00:34:46
work? >> Which I think a lot of people don't have glasses. We're all not nerds. Um so
00:34:52
right out the womb 2020 look at me. I mean, I do, but you know. Um, so I don't know. These these are very high
00:34:59
fashion >> and in a way I'm like they it would it would be better for them if they were
00:35:05
more mass market, but then they wouldn't stand out as much cuz there are a lot of
00:35:08
smart glasses that are just blackbox glasses. >> No, these look sick, bro. Picture
00:35:12
walking down the street wearing these, sipping a soie water. >> That's what I see for honestly. Yes.
00:35:18
>> With your rollerblades. >> Yeah, these things look dope as hell. >> In New York City, this would this would
00:35:22
work. Yeah, all the all the videos are of the like aluminum like silver version. There's there is a black
00:35:27
version which looks a little less uh >> less hype standoutish. >> I have a question. Speaking of the
00:35:32
videos, >> yeah, >> if this had more realistic videos and pictures showing what you can expect, do
00:35:39
you think people would have reacted as badly? Cuz I think a lot of the marketing departments of these startups
00:35:43
are trying to like do Appleplike keynotes and demos where if they were just like honest with like this cool new
00:35:48
technology we're working on, I think people would still be excited about it.
00:35:52
So I would say it depends on what you mean by more realistic. So I do agree like the overpresent like the super
00:35:58
almost pretentious vibe of a lot of these is really a put off for a lot of people. So even if you do kind of like
00:36:03
the product, you don't want to buy into it because it seems so silly. But a more
00:36:08
realistic demo of a theoretically perfect version of a future version of your product is kind of this already
00:36:16
like kind of the same as I don't know trying to what's a realistic version.
00:36:21
>> I I was thinking of this is like he's he went on and tweeted a bunch about how
00:36:26
they're this like really small team that's actually just working in like his
00:36:29
garage which is like okay. Yeah. Every single SF company ever did that. But like if this was just some videos of
00:36:36
literally just like the team and a bunch of toolboxes in a garage, the demo thing
00:36:40
was like in the garage. >> So like if that's what it was instead of this like
00:36:45
>> super produced, they had like dolly cameras and everything and they're
00:36:49
making it like really intense. >> He's wearing like an all black suit >> and he was just like, "Hey, this is
00:36:52
something we're working on. We're calling it Pickle if you want to be an
00:36:55
early." It >> it felt more Kickstarter than >> Yeah. I think it's because inherently
00:37:00
these videos have to sell a whole bunch of people on being an early adopter and getting in and helping to make the
00:37:06
product actually be good. >> Yeah. >> And so, yeah, this is the this is what
00:37:11
makes us because a product can't be good without people being sold on the vision.
00:37:15
It's almost like I'm going to get so much crap for this. It's like Bitcoin.
00:37:18
Like Bitcoin is is useless. It's useless, but if enough people believe, then that actually makes it potentially
00:37:27
useful. And then a bunch of people will go, "Oh, I'll accept money." Like, if
00:37:31
I'm a vendor who doesn't accept Bitcoin, I will not accept Bitcoin until enough
00:37:36
people believe in Bitcoin and want to pay me with Bitcoin that it makes no sense for me not to accept Bitcoin. So,
00:37:41
there needs to be some movement of people excited about the thing that's useless. I mean, it's kind of the the
00:37:47
reason that everyone was getting mad at you for like, you know, saying this product does not exist and you're hyping
00:37:54
all this stuff and then everyone came out of San Francisco saying like, well, the product doesn't start good. It will
00:38:00
get good, but people have to believe in and it's like, okay, >> Santa,
00:38:04
>> it's just that we exist in a different era. Like, what do you mean?
00:38:08
>> Wait, what does that mean? >> Santa. >> Santa's real. You have to believe it.
00:38:12
>> Oh, okay. We just exist in a different era now where because all software is
00:38:17
ever evolving and you don't buy finished versions of anything ever, people's
00:38:22
expectations, even when they're building stuff now, is like, "Oh, we're going to
00:38:26
ship a 1.0. We're going to improve it over time. >> We have an MVP."
00:38:29
>> Yeah. And then because of that, >> they need to get people to buy it, but
00:38:34
like they can't. >> Yeah. >> This is an ad is the bottom line. They
00:38:38
there's a reason that every single launch on Twitter is like is like a a little trailer movie trailer now because
00:38:45
that's the the way that marketing has changed is they have to like make it seem really really high quality and done
00:38:51
so that people actually buy it so that they can make the product. >> It's crazy that we have to be like
00:38:56
>> our launch has to make it look like this is real. sell you on the future years later
00:39:04
version that's actually good which is only possible if you believe us >> and you all get in now
00:39:08
>> and they already got money I I don't know how much their funding was but it's
00:39:12
like >> picture you you already got the funding why do you need to secure >> why those
00:39:20
need the money back >> oh my god >> I mean they're already they are working
00:39:23
with Qualcomm officially um Sasha Sean that is on the Snapdragon team tweeted that they are working with them. So they
00:39:31
do have the money and Qualcomm will not work with you unless you got money. >> Yeah.
00:39:35
>> So they clearly got funding. >> So >> remember uh this is going to sound crazy
00:39:41
cuz normally I'm the one who's like sound of the alarm. This product's not
00:39:45
real. It's not coming out. But I was thinking about when we went to California to try the Orion glasses.
00:39:54
>> You remember? And I remember that was a product demonstration that really felt
00:40:00
like ground floor, you know, you were wearing these kind of awkward wires and it the it was kind of like bloomy and
00:40:08
the the the resolution was bad. And they sat us down with these engineers who were so open about all the problems they
00:40:16
had to like overcome to make that thing work. And then we got to try it and it did work. And it it really felt like
00:40:21
this experience of like, wow, this is a really hard space to build in. This is something that's going to require a
00:40:26
considerable amount of effort, knowledge, and money. And it's really cool to get to see the ground floor. And
00:40:31
then two >> a preview. >> Well, and then two weeks later, >> we tried the snap spec the snap
00:40:36
spectacles >> the snap spectacles, and they were >> way better in every single way. And I
00:40:42
remember talking to the person that some ways were not better. way and the field
00:40:48
of view is so much like it was like super low resolution really bad field of view. I remember the resolution on the
00:40:53
Snap one was had better resolution. >> It had better resolution >> and the colors were better
00:40:58
>> and even though they were they were definitely bulkier. I didn't find them
00:41:02
>> the field of view is so bad. >> I want to bring them in. But was it that
00:41:05
much worse than the Orion? >> It was like everything was getting cut off. >> I couldn't play a game of something in
00:41:10
front of me because my peripherals were completely cut off. I tried to play a golf game and yeah,
00:41:14
>> I what h I remember coming away from that and talking to the snap representative and being like,
00:41:21
>> you know, we just talked to the Meta Boys. >> Yeah. >> And they said that they had to overcome
00:41:26
all of these really difficult problems and it doesn't seem like you guys are
00:41:29
having those same problems. You just showed us this really great product. And he was essentially like, "Yeah, skill
00:41:33
issue." >> Well, remember when the Snapchat guy came, he specifically said, "We the
00:41:38
reason that is hard for Meta is because they care about field of view. We think that field of view is not going to
00:41:43
matter. >> I do remember that >> and that's why we went with high
00:41:46
resolution in a smaller field of view >> and we believe that they're like chasing
00:41:50
the wrong problem whereas Meta fully believes that field of view is the most important thing which I would I kind of
00:41:57
am in Meta's court. It didn't feel right. >> I just remember leaving that that
00:42:01
>> never want to say that line. >> You me I hate myself. >> Sorry.
00:42:06
>> Yeah. Go ahead. person, you know, makes >> I just remember coming away from that
00:42:11
whole experience, you know, being like, I have no idea how this stuff actually works and I don't know what is difficult
00:42:18
and what is easy. So, when I saw the pickle thing, I was like, I'll wait and
00:42:21
see. >> Yeah. I will say to the to Meta's credit, like we see all these really
00:42:27
polished, pretty ads on Twitter and we're like, oh, this doesn't seem very
00:42:30
realistic. But if you remember when Zuck went on stage with the Orion prototype,
00:42:34
he was like, this is a thing we're working on. And it's not a finished product, but like this is how far we've
00:42:39
gotten so far, and we have a long way to go. >> And we're not selling it yet.
00:42:42
>> That's about what I would hope to see from like an honest like presentation of
00:42:46
the thing that's not going to be sold. >> Well, that Yeah, that's when he was
00:42:49
like, "We're not selling this yet. It's at least a year out." And then they did
00:42:52
a live demo with the uh Ray-B band displays that famously went horribly wrong, >> really poorly. So, you know, to Meta's
00:43:01
credit, it hurts to say, but you know, they gave a very fair expectation of what the actual product was, when it was
00:43:07
shipping, how much it was going to cost, >> and what it could do. >> And, you know, to be fair, they can do
00:43:12
that because they don't need funding. They have unlimited money. Yeah. >> Whereas all these other companies need a
00:43:18
lot of funding, so they have to lie to you basically. And I don't I don't
00:43:21
believe that these things are not going to come out. I think they're going to
00:43:23
come out. I just think that they're kind of gonna be like the humane AI pin where
00:43:26
the actual experience is horrible >> until like some theoretical down the road future version could maybe be
00:43:33
better, >> which probably won't happen because not a lot of people are going to buy in if
00:43:35
the initial product is bad. >> Yeah. I guess this lands on that place that we always land on with this stuff,
00:43:40
which is don't buy a product based on the promise of future updates. >> Yeah.
00:43:45
>> If the product is good enough at launch, that should be the thing you're
00:43:50
comfortable buying. The hardest part for you and for me is to figure out how good
00:43:55
the product actually is in the face of all the ads that we're seeing that seem
00:43:59
to paint it as this amazing thing. That's why reviewers exist. That's why
00:44:02
we're going to show you how good the product actually is. Don't buy the product based on the promise of the
00:44:05
future. >> Yeah, there's a bit of of a paradox because the second gen is always like
00:44:10
way better than the first gen and is usually cheaper. But in order to get to a second gen, it requires people to buy
00:44:16
the first adoption. >> Yeah. which is usually based on the early adopter tax, except there's just
00:44:22
so many products coming out that are bad now that not even early adopters want to
00:44:27
spend their money on this thing. >> I mean, you know what this kind of reminds me of? Complete tangent, but
00:44:32
Walt Disney when he was launching the theme park hyped up the building of the theme park on ABC for like 2 years with
00:44:38
a bunch of episodes. >> And then the day that it opened, there was a bunch of problems with the park,
00:44:42
but people that went still really enjoyed it >> and it like exploded in popularity.
00:44:47
>> Yeah. And that's kind of what we need more of in tech, like things like that.
00:44:51
Like, show me the process of building it so that I could get excited about it. That way when the product comes out,
00:44:56
even if it's not like the best thing ever, I understand where we are. I understand like I'm an educator.
00:45:01
>> This is what I'm saying. Like, everyone on Twitter is doing is doing your
00:45:04
expectation should be up here and then reality is going to be way down here. I would love if someone went on Twitter
00:45:10
and they were just like, "This is what we have. >> It's, you know,
00:45:16
>> Yeah. But like >> you know when they were building Disneyland like that was when you could
00:45:22
actually watch someone like no one's going to have fun watching like a 12-part YouTube series where it's like
00:45:26
co-pilot make AR glasses now. >> Yeah. >> I would love >> I think the hardest part is making a
00:45:34
product that you can sell that is already good enough that people at least like it.
00:45:38
>> Like getting to the point of like working on Disneyland for 2 years to the
00:45:42
point where it's not done yet but it's still enjoyable to people. that is very
00:45:45
meaningful that it was actually still enjoyable to people. Getting the product that you launched to actually be good
00:45:50
enough to be enjoyable will get people to stick around for the ride for it to get better. It makes me think about
00:45:55
Pebble because number one, when they re relaunched all the Pebbles, it was just the same Pebble from like 15 years ago.
00:46:02
>> Mhm. >> Uh with you know, and it's slightly better and in different ways. And then
00:46:06
when they launched the ring a couple weeks ago, you could buy it then. It was $75. It's shipping like soon. Yeah.
00:46:13
>> So, like it was already completed product. You know what you're getting.
00:46:16
Eric went on and said this is exactly what it does. He wasn't making any promises for what it could do in the
00:46:21
future. >> I feel like I I would love if more companies launch products like that.
00:46:25
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. Lower expectations. >> It's 2026. We could see some of that.
00:46:29
>> Come on, baby. >> There's also a rumor that they paid $1.2 million for pickle.com.
00:46:34
>> Worth it. Just like every penny. >> Yeah. Just like friend. This is why
00:46:37
that's my biggest red flag is stop spending so much money on a website. Did they ever explain why it's called
00:46:43
pickle? No one knows why it's called pickle, right? The the logo is like kind
00:46:45
of like a pickle on the counter glasses. >> The glasses are in the shape of a
00:46:50
pickle. >> Kind of >> sort of. >> I would argue the glasses aren't even
00:46:53
cuz they don't have the bottom frame. The logo does look like a pickle and AR
00:46:58
goggles, but I don't think it really looks that much like the glasses. >> I don't know.
00:47:02
>> Even though it probably is direct. >> It's a stupid name. And also they should
00:47:05
like soul computer is >> what does that mean? >> It's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
00:47:09
Also, m Mr. Park, you need to change your Twitter bio, my guy. Like, you can't be the CEO of a company that's in
00:47:16
controversy and have your Twitter bio say, "I'm in a pickle." >> Like,
00:47:20
>> true. >> But it's fun. >> It's kind of He's so funny.
00:47:23
>> It's a pun. Puns are fun. >> Somebody out there likes that pun.
00:47:26
>> Somebody out there likes that pun. >> But you know who will be at a pickle in
00:47:30
about 30 seconds? >> Uhoh. >> You guys try to figure out the answer to
00:47:34
this week's >> trivia. It's about pickles. First trivia question of the new year.
00:47:41
>> Bread and butter pickles. >> I should have read the pickles. >> I am going to get points this year. I
00:47:45
swear >> this year. >> Well, this first question is a very Marquez question because it's about
00:47:51
>> phones of the 2010s. >> Yes. >> I wouldn't be too excited if I were you.
00:47:56
>> Dang it. >> So, RIP Zen phone. Um, I wanted to do an ASUS question because there were so many
00:48:04
Zen phones I love so much. But in the process of learning all about all the many phones and uh fabts Asus made over
00:48:12
the years, I found two phones, two phone things, mobile devices with hilarious names. At 2013, you could
00:48:24
h you could go to ASUS and make the choice between buying the ASUS Phone Pad Fe P A D or the ASUS pad phone P A D F O
00:48:37
N E. >> Yes. >> Two separate devices not in the same product line, >> right? That makes so much sense.
00:48:43
>> One of them is a 4in phone that plugs into a dock that connects to a 10-in
00:48:50
tablet with keyboard. Clearly >> the other one was a fabt that you could get in six, seven or eight inch sizes
00:48:58
because it was 20. >> He was making a 67 just Okay. >> Yeah. >> Uh so between the Asus phone pad and the
00:49:06
ASUS pad phone, which one was the Fabt >> aka which one did not have the dock
00:49:14
accessory? That's what I'm asking. >> I think I know this. >> Did not have the dock. Was the Fabt No
00:49:19
Dock? I think I remember as well. >> Was it phone pad or pad phone? >> I don't remember. I'm just trying to use
00:49:24
common sense. >> There's no common sense. >> Probably not. >> It makes perfect with arrows like this.
00:49:30
>> It makes perfect. Phone pad is the phone pad. Pad phone is the pad phone. Duh.
00:49:36
>> Duh. >> Okay. Yeah. >> Yeah. All right. Well, answers will be
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episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts, Lego. Um, >> my ego,
00:51:53
>> my ego decided to do a big CES event this year, which everyone was very
00:51:58
surprised by. Marquez class. >> I was pumped. >> He's pumped. >> This is awesome. This is the best thing
00:52:04
that happened at CES. We're starting right off the bat. >> Marquez, were you a Lego kid?
00:52:07
>> Yeah. >> Oh, that's I was not. I was a Bionicle. >> I was in I had Bionicles. I also
00:52:12
connects. >> Oh, that's very, >> but I had Legos first. So, I think I
00:52:15
have a Legos kid. Yeah. LEGO is in this weird space where they are sort of technology and they're sort of the
00:52:20
opposite of technology. Like they are blocks, but then they have evolved in all these ways where they added motors
00:52:27
and gears and people make working things. Like yesterday I saw in the analog photography subreddit that
00:52:33
someone made a film development tank with Legos. >> Wow. >> It's crazy. Like automated like Anyway,
00:52:39
>> they decided to have a big CES event which everyone's like what is Lego going
00:52:43
to headline at CES? It was like a huge thing. They announced >> an AI pin.
00:52:47
>> An AI pin. >> Somehow that wouldn't shock me. >> Yeah. So, LEGO announced their first
00:52:54
smart brick. >> Yeah. >> Which is kind of crazy when you read like the definition of what these things
00:53:00
do. >> Notably, it is not the entire set of Legos that you buy are not made of smart
00:53:05
bricks. It is like one or two per set. >> But they use Bluetooth and NFC and smart
00:53:11
tags and they have microphones and they have like basically every sensor there. It's a whole computer in a brick.
00:53:17
>> In a like 2x4 regular looking Lego >> Yeah. >> brick. >> Yeah.
00:53:20
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. 2x4 like centimeters. Yeah. Or >> you know what I mean by 2x4?
00:53:25
>> Not like No, we're talking Lego here. >> Lego. Lego. >> 2x4 dots.
00:53:32
>> I know. Just Yeah. >> Oh, dots. Yeah. It's the size. >> It's just usually when people say 2x4,
00:53:37
that's what I thought. >> No, but we're talking about Lego here. You guys need to be in the conversation.
00:53:42
Dot. Everyone knows the unicos. >> So, there are these smart Legos now that
00:53:46
they are making that basically can talk to each other. And because of this, they're able to make sounds. They're
00:53:53
able to like you can speak to it. They have speakers, all these things. >> Well, yeah. They light up, they make
00:53:58
noise, and >> they respond to all different things because of the like light and inertia
00:54:02
sensors and the smart tags they have with separate like mini figures or other parts of the things. There's like
00:54:09
>> almost all of the examples are in Star Wars right now because that's the set
00:54:13
coming out in March. But one is like >> when you go to fuel up the TIE fighter,
00:54:18
the like certain it sees the certain color and knows it's like next to the fuel tank and it starts making the like
00:54:24
fuel noises. Or when uh Emperor Palpatine sits in his throne, it plays Imperial March. Um or when two figures
00:54:32
that have like lightsabers are next to each other, it'll start the lightsaber
00:54:35
noises or light up for different things. So, >> yeah, >> there's all this really crazy stuff and
00:54:40
like they make a Bluetooth mesh network between them to understand where >> other Lego pieces and these NFC tags in
00:54:48
the Lego sets are in reference to each other. >> Um, >> and they wirelessly charge on the like
00:54:53
platform that you put them on. >> One of the coolest examples I saw, so they did the uh the announcement and I
00:55:00
was like, "This is the coolest thing at CES." And then recently, it must have
00:55:03
been last night, Sean Hollister from The Verge went and did like a my first experience with all of them. And he has
00:55:10
this really cool example. I'm just going to read the quote, but we'll put the
00:55:13
whole article in the the show notes. So, he said, "Lego interaction designer
00:55:17
Maria Salgado showed us a little police car set uh that could react to not only the presence of a cop and a robber smart
00:55:24
minigs, but where they're located compared to the smart brick. If a robber approaches the car, it'll sound the
00:55:29
alarm. If a cop approaches the car, it will unlock it with a beep. If you drop the cop in the back seat behind the
00:55:35
smart brick, it'll start snoozing because he's obviously not on the job.
00:55:39
If you drop the robber into the front seat, the cop will wake up and start shouting.
00:55:44
>> Um, and that's like an example of how many different things it can do based on
00:55:50
where things are in relation to like this singular smartphone. >> Yeah. Now, somebody please check me on
00:55:55
the nostalgia of this. I think this is unequivocably unequ I think this is unequ I think this is unequivoc
00:56:03
unequivocaps >> I think this slaps >> I think this is the best story of CES
00:56:09
>> I think and and also you know it's funny this is like I was saying to you this is
00:56:12
like the limus test of people who didn't read the article people like see the
00:56:15
headline of this and they go oh smart Lego brick boo like we keep it like keep it just pure like Legos
00:56:22
>> keep it hurting my feet when I step on them >> yeah which these totally still Now it'll
00:56:26
just now it'll go like gotcha. >> But like this is this is awesome. And
00:56:30
this is also like among all the AI and like overpromising and random crap that we see at CES. Like this is just a real
00:56:36
thing that is just great. >> Great. >> Specifically said there is no AI in this
00:56:41
product at all. >> It just reacts specific. I guess there was some controversy over a previous
00:56:46
Mario set that used like barcodes or something to use very specifically and they're like this is not anything like
00:56:52
that. This is way more open, I guess, and the way it works with different sets. I'm interested to see
00:57:00
how these might work outside of sets later down the line and when people are building their own things and how they
00:57:06
could potentially change it. >> This is my one concern was does this kind of set in motion a whole thing for
00:57:13
you need to build the sets that they ask you to build and there's no there's not
00:57:17
going to be any sort of like open- source stuff where you can like make it do whatever you want it to do. It's a
00:57:22
weird thing where like do are you a person who builds sets and keeps them like that or are you a person
00:57:29
like me who built a set and then just had a giant tub that those sets disintegrated into and built whatever I
00:57:36
want later >> which is what you're supposed to do with Legos or originally anyway.
00:57:40
>> Whatever you want to do with Legos, you're spending a lot of money on it.
00:57:43
You do you. But like it would be cool if these could somehow But is my 2x4 brick
00:57:48
from the TIE fighter only going to make TIE fighter noises or is the one only going to play Imperial March?
00:57:54
>> Right. >> Uh >> or is it like dynamic? >> Yeah. How it works? How the lights up?
00:58:00
>> How would you update them? >> I think they're going to be just one one
00:58:04
function. I would imagine >> I would assume there are a couple functions based solely on this set and
00:58:10
then how creative people will be is how do I use the noises and lights from that
00:58:14
set to build something else that I want. >> Right. But if it's like TIE fighter
00:58:18
noises and you're using a Lord of the Rings set. Yeah. >> Um >> a couple other small things I saw here.
00:58:24
Uh there is a microphone in it, but it's purely to be one of the other sensors
00:58:27
cuz things can react to noise. They claim they're not recording anything. take Lego at their
00:58:33
>> There was one where if you blow on a fire, it would turn the fire out. >> It was like if it was a cake. If you
00:58:38
made a birthday cake with it, it would blow you could blow the candles out possibly.
00:58:43
>> Um but yeah, first sets are shipping in March. They're like 70, 100, and 160
00:58:48
bucks. And they're all pretty small, so >> you're going to get LEGO taxed even
00:58:51
harder on this, I'm sure. But they're pretty awesome. There's also a rumor
00:58:56
there's an upcoming Lego Pokemon set that might >> Oh, it's not even a rumor. It's coming
00:58:59
out this year. It's confirmed >> with the smart brick. >> Yes, it's
00:59:03
>> like Charmander's tail going to light up. >> That' be sick.
00:59:05
>> I guess a 2x4 brick wouldn't do that well, but yeah. Uh, so that was the
00:59:10
coolest thing at the CES and now we can talk about a bunch of other kind of cool
00:59:13
things. >> There's a lot of other cool stuff. >> Yeah, we'll go through it. You have a
00:59:16
>> I have a few things. >> Yeah, >> I have one thing that's boring, but I
00:59:20
think it's cool. >> Okay, >> we'll be pitch on why it's Pitch us on
00:59:24
why it's cool. >> All right. So, you know how Google Photos >> Yes.
00:59:28
>> Yeah. I know about Yeah. >> Like how Google, you know, >> I know why and how.
00:59:34
>> Yeah. So when I know that >> Google Photos has long been one of one
00:59:38
of Google's best products, they came out with like the semantic search features a
00:59:42
long time ago. It automatically tags different objects, object recognition, that kind of stuff. Notably, um, when
00:59:48
you have a a NAS, which is a network attached storage array, >> it's kind of just dumb. Like it's just
00:59:55
kind of a file structure system that you, you know, look stuff up. you have to like know exactly where everything is
01:00:00
and all of this stuff. It is the new year. I am really messy. Um, my desktop and my storage on my computer is
01:00:09
horrible. Notably, all of my film scans that I've ever made are on a one terbte
01:00:15
flash drive. And when that breaks, my life will be over. So, >> no backup.
01:00:21
>> At the beginning of the year, I decided I need to get my together. So I started looking into storage
01:00:27
solutions and wouldn't you have it um at CES UG green announced this AI NAS and I
01:00:32
know everything is called AI now but the early versions of AI the like machine learning semantic understanding versions
01:00:38
of AI that are actually useful they are shoving into this thing so it's a network attached storage array but it
01:00:44
has basically like semantic search so you can like describe what you want and it'll automatically index all of your
01:00:51
images so that you can like find what you need. It basically creates it. It's
01:00:55
it's like its own personal Google Photos, which is nice because Google Photos does not have original quality
01:01:01
upload unless you pay a ton of money. So, that's pretty awesome. >> Remember when you got that for free?
01:01:06
>> With a Pixel? >> Yeah. >> And then they took it away to Farms.
01:01:11
>> Uh, it can do automatic album creation and categorization. It can do summaries
01:01:15
of audio clips and files. It has a model which you can ask about your files. I'm
01:01:19
not really sure why you'd need to do that. And it does auto automatic file organization. So, I don't know. I'm just
01:01:25
I know that this is sort of just like a newer better version of something we've
01:01:29
had for a very long time and it is very boring, but as someone who has not gotten into the like I need to get my
01:01:35
storage solutions stuff together game yet, now that they have semantic search within this, that's actually very useful
01:01:43
for me. >> Yeah. >> So, I'm considering >> this is awesome.
01:01:46
>> Yeah, it looks really nice. I'm >> sure it's going to cost so much.
01:01:48
>> It's $1,000 for the smallest one, which is a lot. How much storage is the
01:01:54
smallest one? >> It doesn't have any. >> It's a NASP thing. So, you have to buy a
01:01:57
bay. You buy the drive. >> Okay. You have to buy the drive. >> Yeah. So, it's $1,000 for the smallest
01:02:01
one without the drive, which is kind of annoying. Pretty expensive. >> Ugrine is a company that I thought only
01:02:06
made HDMI adapters. Um, and then I've been seeing so much UG Green NAS stuff
01:02:14
on TikTok. I don't know if they're doing a lot of like paid partner marketing or
01:02:18
stuff like that are, >> but I've never seen >> influencers be like NASB.
01:02:24
>> Oh, I have. Oh, >> but it's all it's been all Synology stuff.
01:02:28
>> Yeah. >> Like Synology flooded YouTube with like with Naz array videos.
01:02:33
>> The the UG NASBY look really cool. Like they would look clean in a house.
01:02:38
>> Yes. Yes. >> I'm pro. I think I might get one. >> I'm I'm very interested. Um,
01:02:42
>> before this, the only UG Green product I had literally ever purchased was HDMI
01:02:47
adapters, like USBC. So, I'm like, yeah, >> am I gonna trust my entire
01:02:52
>> thing to Yeah, they kind of came out of nowhere and then they've been like kind
01:02:56
of killing it. They're kind of I see them as like another version of like Ankor
01:02:59
>> where they have an >> Yeah, they've started making a lot of stuff and they're all very high quality.
01:03:05
>> So, if there's like a pre-order, this is this has been my predicament. There's
01:03:08
like a pre-order thing where you save like 700 bucks if you pre-order it. And I'm like,
01:03:13
>> that's how they get you. >> That's how they get you. So, >> you save money on the pickle pre-order,
01:03:16
too. >> Yeah. Anyway, I would like to try that, but we'll see. We'll see. Uh there's a
01:03:23
new product. There's a new e-aper display coming out. So, notably, we got really excited about this.
01:03:31
>> I still love mine. >> Yeah. I mean, so it was uh what was the company called? It was uh
01:03:35
>> Aura. >> Aura. Ora made these uh frames, e- paper frames that we got
01:03:41
very excited about because they were they're color e- paper frames. >> They were saying that they were like the
01:03:45
first ones, which I think they wanted to say very intentionally because literally
01:03:50
immediately after they said that, like a ton of other brands came out with eaping
01:03:55
us some other one. So, I'm sure it wasn't like we're the first ones. It was
01:03:58
probably like we're the first ones with XYZ. Yeah, probably a >> I got advertised a bunch of them on
01:04:06
Instagram, too. So, they're clearly like coming. But there's this one, the ink
01:04:10
poster 41 in e-aper display that got shown off at CES. >> Very big. That's seems like it's just
01:04:17
kind of a TV at that point. Like 41 in is pretty huge. >> Yeah. >> Um but it is kind of ridiculously
01:04:23
overkill and fancy. It has like an aluminum frame and then it uses Alcantara for the mat.
01:04:28
>> Whoa. So, um, the editor and gadget who saw one of the smaller models last year said that
01:04:34
it was a lot denser and like higher resolution than the ones that like we have for example because like the Aura
01:04:41
frames that we have like they look good but they don't look exactly like >> you know with a printed photo.
01:04:50
>> They're like half tone because it has like limited color palette. >> These apparently are very very very high
01:04:54
quality but they're also like $6,000 for the 41in one. Um, what I'm excited about
01:05:00
is that this technology, like the e-aper technology, the e- in technology is clearly finally starting to like get
01:05:08
pushed into the public eye. And that means that this same thing is probably going to be half the price next year.
01:05:14
So, you know, give it two or three years and this 41 in e- in display will probably be like 500.
01:05:20
>> Oh, six of them. >> Hey, and they will all be in my house. >> Yes.
01:05:26
>> That'd be incredible. >> Nice. Yes. Um, okay. Next thing, Corsair
01:05:31
put a Stream Deck in a keyboard. >> I'll take three. >> Notably, they did acquire Elgato in
01:05:39
2018, so it's kind of like 8 years too late. >> Yeah. I mean, it's crazy that they
01:05:45
waited this long in order to do this. And I don't know if you guys remember the original Razer Blade that came out
01:05:51
in like 2012. >> Yeah. Yeah. With that, you could literally customize your keys, which had
01:05:55
little screens under them. You can make them whatever you want. That's exactly
01:05:58
what this is. >> Yeah. So, I guess they were just too early and nobody wanted to pay for them
01:06:02
at that point in time. >> That was in a laptop also, >> right? Whereas, if it's in a dedicated
01:06:07
keyboard, it's more likely that you're going to have a whole streaming setup.
01:06:10
You're probably not going to be streaming with your laptop. >> Um, so it it calls it the Gallian 100 SD
01:06:16
keyboard. It has 12 customizable buttons, a 5 in 720x 1080 a 1280 IPS LCD screen, and two notably rotary dials for
01:06:26
LS over there. Nice. How do you feel about the rotary dials? >> All right. Uh, it is $350, so it's
01:06:34
pretty expensive, but um I think if you >> That's honestly not that crazy. I like a
01:06:39
regular gaming keyboard could very easily go for 150 to 200. And how much is a stream deck? It's not that far off
01:06:47
from them being bought. >> Yeah. So, it's like if you're going to set up a streaming setup and you just
01:06:51
don't want to have to buy a separate stream deck, it's right there. >> And if you like Corsair keyboards, which
01:06:57
>> they're just like pretty typical gaming keyboards. >> Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of uh gaming
01:07:03
companies, Razer always does something insane at CES. Usually, they don't come
01:07:08
out. Weirdly enough, you can like get on the order list for this. explain what it
01:07:14
is and yeah I was similarly confused just like so they're doing this like >> AI desk companion
01:07:22
>> now so it's called project AVA which was something that was out last year which
01:07:26
was an AI that basically backseat gamed you so it could tell you all the stuff you're doing wrong when you play games
01:07:33
you guys have never heard of the term backseat gamer >> it's like when you're playing
01:07:36
>> driver >> like yeah it's similar but in a lot of games where like Valerant or
01:07:41
Counterstrike where someone dies they're then watching your team but still on
01:07:44
voice chat and you're like telling someone everything to do. >> That's that's like a backseat gamer. So,
01:07:48
this was an esports AI whatever that could. But now >> you can get this little
01:07:56
>> pod >> pod. Yes. Cylinder tube kind of thing. It looks like the things when you go to
01:08:01
the bank and it sucks up from the drive-thru. Um that can sit on your desk. Obviously has RGB and kind of has
01:08:08
this almost holographic looking avatar. On the website they say it's a 3D hologram hologram.
01:08:14
>> It's just a volutric display. >> Um well duh. It is >> not a volumetric. What is it?
01:08:19
>> Okay. Well, you'll all know why we're so adamant about that later. But um
01:08:24
>> Oh my god. And it's powered by Grock. >> Is it really? >> I'm on their website right now. Project
01:08:30
Ava currently utilizes XAI's Grock engine to demonstrate it's >> also they needed that because it notably
01:08:38
gets kind of spicy and >> does it? I did not see >> it'll do an epic vulgar roast.
01:08:43
>> It's like Okay, so this volutric display shows a couple of different companions.
01:08:50
Um there's like an anime girl and an anime guy. >> Of course, >> the anime girl in like the video is like
01:08:56
just wearing a big t-shirt. It's unfortunately it's like >> anime girl, anime guy, and then one of
01:09:02
the most famous League of Legends players ever. >> Well, yeah. There's these little
01:09:06
characters that I The idea is that it's it's just an assistant that during the
01:09:12
day you talk to as an assistant and while you're playing games, they sort of
01:09:16
backseat game with you. Um, but it's makes sense that it's powered by Grock
01:09:21
because these assistants are um, you know, made to be >> companions. We all know
01:09:28
>> companions. >> Companion is a terrible word for this unless that's what you literally want it
01:09:32
to do. It's also like because it's this pod that sits on your desk has a camera
01:09:35
on the front so it can help you with what you're wearing and like your fashion sense or whatever and it can see
01:09:42
things you're doing. And I don't know, every Razer has this thing where it
01:09:46
feels like every year they make this huge splash with a product to get you to their booth that will never exist. And I
01:09:52
specifically had a friend send this to me being like, "Look how crazy this is.
01:09:57
It looks so stupid." And I was like, "Let me let you in on a little secret.
01:10:00
Razer never actually releases these things. They just have all their other products at CVS." Then he was like,
01:10:05
"Then how come you can pre-order it?" And I was like, "What?"
01:10:07
>> And then I went and for $20 you can get in line for a reservation, but they are
01:10:12
saying this will come out in 2026. >> So I don't know what to think if they
01:10:17
just realize nobody expects their stuff to come out. So this was give us 20 bucks and we'll give it back or if this
01:10:23
is actually going to come >> if it's powered by Grock. I would bet you that they are literally just using
01:10:27
the same like cuz Grock also has the like companion like virtual actual bodied companion thing that you can
01:10:36
interact with. It's probably just using that API and changing the look of the
01:10:40
character. Well, it's using the the AI part of something that they had already
01:10:44
because they were doing like I think they announced Ava last year for like the gaming stuff, but now this is like
01:10:50
>> almost a webcam where it's taking in context of things in your room. But the
01:10:55
weirdest thing is that it's this hologram, which >> yeah, >> we've been working on something that
01:11:00
makes us understand holograms are really, really hard. Um, and I don't know. There's no idea how much this is
01:11:08
going to cost because you have to pay $20 to get in line for it. >> Yeah. >> So, is this going to be reasonably
01:11:13
priced? Is this going to be >> It's so weird. >> Weird. >> I'm out.
01:11:19
>> I Yeah. I >> Does this give you give you an unfair advantage if you're playing though?
01:11:25
>> It's in the FAQ. >> It's an FAQ on the website. Is this cheating?
01:11:28
>> Oh, is this cheating? Is this like rapid trigger thing? >> Yeah. It's just going to be like you
01:11:33
need to build more pylons dip. Like >> I just it's a little sad to me that it's
01:11:39
obviously Grock because that kind of fits in with the whole like gamer personality.
01:11:44
>> I don't want Grock and companion to be in the same sentence. >> Uh the Razer website also describes it
01:11:49
as a friend for life. >> No, that's not. >> Does that mean it has a lifetime
01:11:55
warranty? >> Yeah. >> Yeah, dude. >> That's the only way. >> False marketing.
01:11:59
>> I want to talk There's so much I want to talk about, but Yeah. I don't know. I don't I'm I don't
01:12:04
know if this will even ever come out. >> Yeah. Do we think this even comes out?
01:12:07
>> Can we talk about the hologram for a sec because I can't >> stop thinking about this, man. Okay.
01:12:12
>> Because you're right, Andrew. We've been doing some secret stuff that involves
01:12:15
holograms for the past few weeks >> and we've learned a lot about holograms
01:12:18
and a lot about how they work. And in all of the Razer photos on their website, no matter what angle the photo
01:12:26
is taken from, no matter what angle the desk is at, or no matter what angle the user is facing, do you guys notice
01:12:33
>> it's facing dead at the camera, right? >> Yeah. Mhm. Whereas on the verge.com's
01:12:40
photo in their header, not only is it at an angle, but do you see very faintly the transparent screen?
01:12:51
>> Well, I thought that was the shutter speed catching something spinning.
01:12:54
>> I don't think there's anything spinning in there. >> Okay. I
01:12:57
>> Oh, yeah. You can see >> you think it's just a piece of glass
01:13:00
pretty much. >> I think it's a transparent LCD. >> I think it's a transpar I think it's a
01:13:03
transparent LED. >> So, it's not going to look Samsung spec, not the LG spec.
01:13:09
>> I don't I Well, it's hard to tell from this photo. The reason here's why I
01:13:13
don't think anything is spinning in there >> is because when you generate a 3D image,
01:13:19
and this is a little bit of a spoiler, the thing we're working on, but when you
01:13:22
generate a 3D image from spinning something, you don't just have to render one frame. Like, if you're trying to
01:13:28
render a 30 fps video on a spinning thing, you have to render the slice at every degree, right? which means you
01:13:36
actually have to do a full spin more than once a frame, which means you need a graphics engine in this thing that's
01:13:43
rendering these 2D slices at like over a thousand slices per second. Like you need an insane amount of graphics power
01:13:49
and that's to do a low resolution image. From all the photos, this looks like a
01:13:54
reasonably high res >> Yeah. >> screen, right? So, I'm willing to bet
01:13:58
that Razer >> did not put like a 5090 in this thing. Um, >> yeah, it does not look like it's
01:14:05
spinning. I mean, even there's a photo from sort of the top angle down where
01:14:10
you can't it looks like it's off, but you can kind of see the transparent LED.
01:14:15
>> And does it look like it's at a it's it's at the same sort of perpendicular
01:14:19
>> angle. It's they're all at the same angle. me thinks >> 3D hologram is a little bit of an
01:14:25
overstatement, but it's also it's it is possible >> that this uses the same technology as
01:14:32
that company Looking Glass in Brooklyn, >> which does light field. Yeah. In
01:14:37
Greenpoint, which does light field displays. So, it's not like a true 3D hologram. It's more like
01:14:43
>> It's what Nintendo used on the 3DS. >> Exactly. Yeah. But also,
01:14:49
I don't know. Exact. I think that's the best way. >> All I say is I guess I just wanted to
01:14:55
jump in here because I can't stop thinking about holograms for the past few week and when you know and you know
01:15:01
it's hard to think about holograms and not also think about waifuss. >> Yeah.
01:15:04
>> And when they're when when a big company's like yo >> do you remember the last time we talked
01:15:10
to Razer at CES? >> I wasn't there but that's the basis of my >> Yeah. When they were like why would you
01:15:16
ask me that? This isn't real. >> Yeah. We'll see if this is but uh yeah I
01:15:21
will >> they're taking money which they haven't done for other things so I'm assuming
01:15:24
this is going to be real to >> remember it's okay to take money and not
01:15:27
deliver products now it's 2026 >> and Razer if I'm wrong and you don't you
01:15:31
didn't just buy a transparent LED panel from Samsung and put it in their stationary
01:15:37
>> Ellis will use this product for the rest of the year >> I will I will use I will end my claude
01:15:42
subscription and only use the Razer waifu for all of my LLM purpos uh >> while having the bomb
01:15:51
>> but whatever. But no, seriously, someone at Rachel should reach out and tell me if
01:15:56
I'm wrong and it actually is a 3D hologram because I'd love to know about
01:15:59
how it works because I'm thinking about holograms 247 these days. >> Cool.
01:16:03
>> All right, we got some other things that I think are less creepy. Uh Samsung, we
01:16:09
just have to talk about one TV because this is CES after all. >> There's a gazillion of them.
01:16:15
>> Well, there's a million. Wait, is that what they're calling their new TV OS?
01:16:19
>> What? >> One TV. >> One TV. >> Damn. >> Like one UI.
01:16:24
>> All right. Well, they're they announced the 130in >> 4,000 IQ joke. I got it.
01:16:30
>> 130 inch timeless frame. Um I just this thing I'm so confused. Can someone try
01:16:36
and describe what this looks like? because it's it's like a TV in a frame
01:16:41
that doesn't connect but is kind of offcentered and like an easel. >> It looks like an easel that
01:16:48
>> it is like the TV is inside the easel and it pivots inside the easel and
01:16:53
swings around >> like a whiteboard almost. It looks like you could spin. >> Yeah, you could. You can probably angle
01:16:58
it. >> It's like a >> It's connected towards like the bottom.
01:17:01
>> I think it might be fixed. Picture like a fixed pretty big >> basically bezelless a dog door that's
01:17:07
like the size of a third of a garage door but the but the hinge is like exactly in the middle of the Yaxis so
01:17:15
that the garage door just spins over and over again like a like a conveyor belt flap
01:17:20
>> fan. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's big. >> It's huge. So I
01:17:26
>> micro RGB. It's 130 in. I assuming this is 16.9 uh aspect or 16x9 aspect ratio
01:17:34
that would be approximately 113 in wide and 63 in tall which would be 11 ft wide
01:17:39
and 5t tall and that's just the TV screen. It is then inside the other giant box. So this is what like a
01:17:47
>> 13 foot tall contraption that to be a timeless window rather than just a
01:17:54
>> I don't know a stand. >> This is going to be one of those like
01:17:57
$100,000 TVs and Yeah, this is peaky. This is what CES >> This is This is LG rollable TV CES.
01:18:03
>> It's I have like a ginormous living room, >> you know. >> My couch doesn't touch a wall.
01:18:09
>> This TV is bigger than my apartment. >> This definitely goes in like the lobby
01:18:12
of some giant building in Manhattan. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Or in like >> to show where you are in the building.
01:18:18
>> You are here in the mall. >> I think it's gorgeous. >> I mean, it is very pretty. It is
01:18:22
timeless. >> It is the living room you need to pull it off is so far beyond my means. I
01:18:28
can't even begin to concrete. >> He's going to be like the guys only need
01:18:32
one thing photo of like a guy that moves into a like a new apartment and it's
01:18:36
just like him sitting on a lawn chair with this and a PS5 >> that's resting on like a 30 rack of
01:18:42
Milwaukeee's best. >> Speaking of TVs, uh did you guys see all the Frame TV knockoffs we got this year?
01:18:49
>> There's so many. >> There's so many. >> Why did it take this long?
01:18:53
>> I don't know. >> Great question. Yeah, I was surprised there basically everybody TCL, High
01:18:58
Sense, LG, even Amazon is making a gallery TV now. >> Wow. >> And I think this I mean this always made
01:19:04
a ton of sense. Um, ironically, I did hear that these are basically just excuses for the companies to use old
01:19:10
panels that are way worse and sell them for a much higher price. I I every year I think I want a frame TV and then I
01:19:18
never We had one in the old studio and it just I I like the idea of it, but I just never really decided to.
01:19:24
>> Their quality is all they're all bad quality. >> They're all bad TVs, but when they're
01:19:29
off and they show the art and they're like a little framed thing, they look kind of cool
01:19:33
>> and that's why they can charge you a lot of money for them. >> And that's that's only that's the only
01:19:36
way they sell it to you, by the way. They're like, "Look at this TV when it's
01:19:39
off." >> Isn't that nice? >> Because otherwise it would be $300 on
01:19:43
Black Friday. Yeah, >> if it didn't have the frame, >> I guess I'll continue to not buy one.
01:19:47
>> I'm glad that all these other companies are making them because it does mean
01:19:50
that maybe there will be competition which will force them to have better quality, which would be nice.
01:19:56
>> Um, if that becomes the if like one of these starts selling more because it's a
01:20:00
better TV, then that will be proof enough to them that they should focus on that. But if they all sell well because
01:20:05
they're all garbage TVs, but they all have the same feature, then no one's
01:20:08
going to be incentivized to like make a really good one. >> I imagine the Amazon Fire TV one is
01:20:12
going to sell really well. Yeah. >> Um, yeah. Do you guys remember the the
01:20:15
Samsung Serif TV? >> I've heard the name. >> Yeah, baby. >> It was like It was that TV that just sat
01:20:20
on the ground. >> Serif TV. >> Oh, yeah. This kind of reminds me of the
01:20:25
timeless frame we were just talking about. Just like >> I think Isaac has one of these.
01:20:29
>> But it basically it it stands on the It has just these like legs that it stands
01:20:34
on and then it's got it's called SIF cuz like a serif font. Um, and it's inside
01:20:39
of this. I don't know. It looks It looks really nice. >> Terrible TV. >> Oh my god. One of the worst TVs. It is
01:20:45
so bad. The the actual display is horrible. >> You want to know something?
01:20:49
>> Brandon has it too actually. >> Yeah, Brandon owns one and it looks
01:20:51
great. >> It looks great in his apartment till he turned it on. >> You know where I saw
01:20:55
>> Yeah. >> You know where I saw the Sarif TV for the very first time.
01:20:58
>> Brandon's apartment. >> No, in a museum. >> That makes sense.
01:21:01
>> Because the directory. >> No, cuz the designers who made it are these famous design brothers named the
01:21:06
Bullerex that Samsung. And so it was an entire like exhibit about the Bulerex like furniture designs and in the corner
01:21:16
was this crazy looking TV and it had a Samsung logo on it. I was like >> why is it 720p?
01:21:24
>> Um Andrew, do you want to talk about the vibrating knife? >> Yes. I don't like how enthusiastic I was
01:21:29
the way you described it, but um yes. I want to open this by saying Marquez, >> please let me do a video or a short
01:21:36
about this. Um, so I actually saw this outside of CES, but it is at CES, so I'm
01:21:42
counting it and we are allowed to talk about it. But this is the Seattle Ultrasonics C200 Ultrasonic 8 in chef's
01:21:50
knife. >> It has ultrasonic twice in the name. >> That's how sonic it is.
01:21:54
>> Um, so imagine a chef's knife with the thickest handle ever. >> Cuz this handle looks really thick and
01:22:01
plasticky and has a giant red button on it. >> Uh, yeah, cuz it needs a battery. Um,
01:22:05
but why do you need a button on a knife? Well, >> this knife blade vibrates up to 30,000
01:22:11
times a second, which claims makes the knife behave sharper than it physically is.
01:22:15
>> And so what happens then when you cut things while it's vibrating? >> It cuts them really fast
01:22:20
>> and really well. Um, so like I honestly put this in as a joke cuz I thought it
01:22:25
was so funny and it reminds me of those um like the carving knives that everyone
01:22:29
uses for like Thanksgiving, which some people really like. Um, but I'm always a
01:22:33
believer in >> Oh, is that how it's vibrating? >> But no, it's not. A carving knife
01:22:38
specifically is just going like forwards and back. This is just like >> like they say when you turn it on, you
01:22:43
can barely tell it's doing anything. The way they show it is they like >> I think just like everywhere.
01:22:49
>> Is it pivoting or is it like >> everywhere? Vibrations are the key.
01:22:57
>> Dr. Fuji, it's doing the Harlem shake, bro. >> I'm really trying to understand this. If
01:23:01
a knife is like this and it's a sharp thing, >> I think it's just vibrating.
01:23:04
>> If it's vibrating, it it's >> I don't know what axis is vibrating.
01:23:07
>> How does it Yeah. What is the motor in the handle exactly? >> Like is it vibrating forward and back or
01:23:12
left and right? >> Does it just start like around your >> It's got it. It's got a buzz.
01:23:17
>> No. Well, it buzz. >> No, it'll probably buzz like it's on the
01:23:21
ground. >> No, just cut through your floor. >> And if it's vibrating, it just
01:23:25
>> falls to your basement. >> This is like the best way. >> Falls through the center of the earth.
01:23:32
And then it cuts the earth's core open >> and then the earth sort of like falls in
01:23:36
half. >> You cannot drop this knife. You might not. >> It's a good They spent so much time
01:23:40
asking you if they could. They never asked if they should. >> This is a good video example of that
01:23:46
it's actually moving cuz it doesn't look like it is. But they just put sand on it
01:23:49
and it kind of looks like it's just going up and down and slightly forward. >> It's like a tuning fork. It's like how a
01:23:54
tuning resonates at a certain frequency. It's not like it's sliding back and
01:23:58
forth. resonating. >> I'm going to have to push back there cuz it's by definition ultrasonic.
01:24:04
>> True. Yeah. >> Well, 33 Hz is >> Oh, 33 kHz. >> It means it's it's faster than you can
01:24:09
hear. Whereas the point of a tuning fork is to hear it. >> No. Yeah, I agree. I'm just saying as
01:24:12
far as >> just being a joke. >> Cut that. Wait, can you hear 33 kHz? I
01:24:16
feel like you can't. >> 20k is the 33. If it was if it was lower than 20k, it would just be sonic.
01:24:23
>> So, your dog could hear this m this uh knife >> probably. It's like a It doubles as a
01:24:29
dog whistle. >> You just go to cut your food and your dog is just freaking out.
01:24:34
>> Oh my god. Wait, you But in a way, you did just make a tell your dog that you
01:24:40
your dog food in the kitchen button >> as if it didn't already know. >> But so at first, like I said, I thought
01:24:46
this was just those carving knives and I wasn't really that interested. I like my
01:24:50
kitchen stuff to be as untech focused as possible. I like just nice knives that I
01:24:55
sharpen. I like cast iron, but then there's this video of it just like cutting through a baguette without
01:25:04
serration and just like usually you cut bread with a serrated knife and a baguette is hard and usually you have to
01:25:10
like smush it down to cut it with a This is just >> it just glides through
01:25:15
like the scissor through wrapping paper when you get that nice glide. It's like
01:25:19
dude, the French are going to be so excited. But like like seeing it cut a tomato I'm like cool a really sharp
01:25:24
knife cuts a tomato no problem. Watching this that's an apple I think. >> Um watching it cut through the baguette
01:25:31
is like literally insane. >> Dude the mist coming off the tomato. >> The tomato that's another way of showing
01:25:36
how precise it's vibrating. Um >> can I ask you a question about knives? I
01:25:40
don't know anything about knives. >> Green onions. Cra I know you can do that
01:25:43
with a sharp knife but >> this is a $400 smart knife. >> $400 is not crazy for how much we paid
01:25:48
for the hammer. How much is a really good sharp knife? >> My like wor which is like a really good
01:25:57
>> name. Your knife is already above my head. >> It's like 160 bucks, but like you can
01:26:01
get Japanese steel for >> very expensive if you want to. >> Interesting.
01:26:06
>> Some of that is because of like how handmade and precise and like specific
01:26:10
it is and like the handle is probably like one of one. >> It's IP65 so it's not going to go
01:26:15
through a dishwasher, is it? No, but you can hand wash it through a >> You shouldn't any knife worth that much
01:26:20
money, you should not put in >> Yeah, that's true. That's true. But I'm
01:26:22
just thinking like if you use this one knife for your raw meat and then need to use it again later and you know how
01:26:26
you're cooking you have like three you need to use a knife for three different
01:26:29
things. >> Yeah. >> I feel like you need >> you wash it. >> Yeah. Yeah.
01:26:33
>> You should always wash your knife and dry it off immediately and not leave it
01:26:36
out wet. >> And it's also because the different knives are better for different things
01:26:39
like serrated knives for the baguettes. >> Yeah. >> Well, okay. So, this has 1100 mAh
01:26:45
removable battery pack. Um, it charges either USBC or it has, do you know how people have the like wooden magnetic
01:26:52
knife mounts? For 150 bucks, you can get one of those that's wireless charging.
01:26:56
>> Yes. >> Marquez, I blame you for this because you said to USBC all the things that and
01:27:00
they have >> well, was that a micro USB? >> What do you want? >> And I love this just like a true tech
01:27:06
product. It says uh I I believe it says for uh to avoid e-waste, USBC cable and charger are not included in the box.
01:27:15
>> Damn. So, you got to charge your knife. >> How long do you think this knife battery
01:27:19
lasts? >> I bet. >> How long are you using a knife? I bet it's totally fine to get through.
01:27:25
>> Yeah, you could. >> But at some point, you need to charge your knife, which is hilarious.
01:27:28
>> Does it last long enough to cut to the center of the earth? >> Maybe that's the only thing saving you.
01:27:32
>> Yeah, there's just a bunch of knives like hundreds of feet deep with dead
01:27:35
batteries. I also just love the idea of just like you use it and then you just stick it and it starts charging.
01:27:40
>> That's crazy. >> It's I This was a total joke at first and I want this so bad now.
01:27:46
>> I want this. >> I want it really bad. If you're listening Seattle Ultrasonics,
01:27:50
>> yeah, please also >> we're here. Or internet Shaquille needs to do a review on this. Please send him
01:27:55
one. >> He's way cooler than us. But if you want to send us one or if I can convince
01:28:00
Marquez to let us do a short on it. >> Yeah, >> I'm here. You're going to have to send
01:28:03
it because I looked at to adding it to my cart for a pre-order and you pay full price right away. When does it come out?
01:28:08
>> Uh in March, I think. >> 400 bucks. I want it. >> Which is not that far away before the
01:28:14
pickle. >> I want it. Place your bets. >> I think that's my second favorite thing.
01:28:18
CES. >> The third cool thing. It's got IP. It's got an IP rating. >> Yeah,
01:28:22
>> it's IP65. I want to do a really quick um Lenovo Power Hour because they always
01:28:28
do the weirdest stuff. Mhm. >> They are announcing a laptop that >> Okay. Last year we got the laptop that
01:28:35
rolled upwards. >> We sure did. >> And that was cool. That's cool.
01:28:39
>> Linus one on Jimmy >> Fim. One of the one of the Jimos >> and showed him. Yeah. Right. Cool.
01:28:46
>> Right. Same night as Bad Bunny was there. Oh, I'm so jealous. >> Yeah, that was honestly a combo.
01:28:50
>> I'm sure they linus Sebastian Bad Bunny. Can't even tell them apart.
01:28:56
This year they did a rollable computer that rolls out so it makes an ultra wide display.
01:29:01
>> The scroll book. >> The scroll book. Um yeah pro. >> Now I know why you like that cuz David
01:29:08
could be like >> check out this picture I took. >> And then it expands outwards and then
01:29:13
he's like here's my 23x7. It makes the royal flex pie like creek the entire
01:29:21
>> but I mean I I would like the vertical rule book I think for for productivity
01:29:25
is good. The horizontal rule book is is pretty sick for gaming you know I think that that you know
01:29:32
>> pretty cool >> just product I mean also productivity it's whether you want a big chat it's
01:29:36
like code and like big emails or chats like you want vertical or like if you want it to go sideways so you have side
01:29:42
by side screens. >> Yeah. You don't need a Vision Pro if you got this thing.
01:29:45
>> No. >> Um, they also made a laptop concept that has a rollable display that wraps around
01:29:49
its lid, which is weird. Um, I don't know. A lot of this tech eventually comes to to stuff eventually. For Atom,
01:29:57
uh, they made a FIFA edition Razer >> phone. It sure did. Okay. >> Um, with like the FIFA logo on the back.
01:30:04
>> It's just a branded version. >> Yeah, just >> with a custom ringtone.
01:30:09
>> That's two phones. >> Yeah. Yeah, it's two phones for some
01:30:11
reason. But if they can upcharge somebody who really likes soccer, they'll do it.
01:30:14
>> Uh, they made a new Moto watch that promises 13-day battery life and polar
01:30:19
powered health tracking that uses Polar. So, that seems pretty interesting. >> Seltzer company.
01:30:25
>> No. Well, no. No. Polar Polar is another like, you know, I have no idea what Polar is.
01:30:31
>> Polar is a smartwatch brand. >> Oh, that's smart. They make a bunch of
01:30:34
health accessories like heart rate monitors and like stuff like that, straps and stuff.
01:30:38
>> Right. Right. So, this is called the Moto Watch. Um, it's round, you know, it
01:30:42
doesn't have the flat tire. So, I don't know. It that looks pretty good. Uh, but
01:30:46
the one thing that I'm sure you'll be reviewing soon here, Marquez, is um
01:30:51
>> the XPS. >> Yeah, they did bring back the XPS. >> I literally ordered it. The You order
01:30:57
the XPS? >> Yes. >> Why? >> The new 4. Cuz it looks like it's
01:31:00
actually good. >> I know. They were good. >> Well, it was good and then they like got
01:31:04
rid of XPS for a year and it was like Dell Pro Dell Pro Max. That is weird. And now they're back. Now XPS is back
01:31:11
and they fixed a lot of the things that have like a real function row key and that have like better speakers and you
01:31:15
can actually see the trackpad. It looks like a much better laptop and I was like
01:31:18
let me give it a shot. >> Okay. >> Well, uh the there is now a Razer hot
01:31:24
dog uh phone. >> Yeah. >> So it's correct. Razer. >> Oh, I thought we meant the gaming
01:31:31
company again. >> Oh, sorry. Moto Razor Fold. >> Moto Razor Fold. >> Um hot dog. So apparently the Fisher,
01:31:39
Michael Fischer, Mr. Mobile, said that he was not that excited for it and then he saw it in person and that it the
01:31:44
build quality is actually really really nice. >> Um, and that he's pretty excited for it.
01:31:48
>> That's a weird thing to say about his own product. >> I tr I trust Michael Fischer's uh read
01:31:55
on a phone first impressions. I'm also not expecting very much from a what is
01:31:59
this going to be like 14 $1,500 >> uh Motorola flagship that folds. Notably, they they did the like $600 um
01:32:08
hamburger fold. >> That that was their bread and butter. The little little throwback razor
01:32:12
foldable thing was >> they got it all the way down to like yeah $6.99 or maybe $5.99
01:32:19
for the cheapest version. >> That made it really good. But I always felt like Motorola, at least in the past
01:32:22
like five, six years, has been making these Edge flagships and they've just never been
01:32:28
>> pushing any sort of boundaries of being like a really good phone. They'll just
01:32:32
make like a a decent phone and it's their flagship. >> Yeah. The edges have been like
01:32:36
>> not great cameras. Pretty okay battery, but they don't do silicon carbon. I
01:32:40
think this this has a 5200 mill. I don't think they do any silicon carbon in
01:32:43
their whole lineup. >> Yeah. >> Um like okay like flagship chip, but
01:32:48
also they were really first to 5G and haven't done anything great since. Like
01:32:51
I don't know. They're fine. >> Yeah. >> But when they're doing when I hear
01:32:54
they're doing a fold, I'm like it'll be fine. >> Yeah. >> So, but if he you know if he likes it,
01:32:58
>> it sounds just fine. >> I'll check it out. >> Yeah. They're also making an AI pendant.
01:33:02
>> I did see that, too. >> Um, it's a concept right now. >> It's like a necklace, right?
01:33:07
>> It's a necklace with a camera. >> Yeah. >> There's a surveillance
01:33:11
>> a keyboard YouTuber that I really like like called Hippotech. And I think he's
01:33:15
at his first CES ever. And he's his whole Instagram is just like, "Oh, I'm
01:33:19
so excited to see the new tech. Hope it doesn't have AI." And it's just like a
01:33:23
just like and it's just been like 48 hours. >> Wrong year to go to CES, my friend.
01:33:28
>> Bad news. everything. >> Um, well, speaking of Michael Fischer, >> the main event,
01:33:35
>> last thing I have here, and I know it looks like a lot, but we can kind of go
01:33:38
through this. >> Notably, the best thing that got announced at CES >> after the Lego brick.
01:33:42
>> Oh, yeah. >> I like Michael Fischer a lot, but the Lego brick was pretty awesome, and I
01:33:45
don't think he'll be upset about that. >> Um, but Clicks, the company that he is a
01:33:50
part of, released two new products. Um, the first one, the Clicks power keyboard
01:33:55
is essentially a So, they had previously been doing the cases with the keyboard on the bottom, which for a lot of phones
01:34:01
made them long. Very long. >> Very long. Tall as heck. >> It kind of made the most sense on like
01:34:06
the Z Flips because then you could use the front screen with your own Yeah. And the Razer and your own keyboard not
01:34:12
being in the way of the small screen and it would be a regular sized. But so the
01:34:16
clicks power keyboard is actually a imagine a battery bank with mags safe and then when you pop it to the back of
01:34:23
your phone you can slide your phone up and now there's a keyboard on the battery bank. So now the keyboard rests
01:34:28
there is also providing charge with your phone and you can pop it on and off whenever you want.
01:34:33
>> Um which is kind of awesome. It has multiple different sliding ranges. So
01:34:38
like if you have a smaller phone or a really big phone, you can turn it uh landscape if you want kind of a knockoff
01:34:44
LG wing. Um, and >> nothing's going to be the >> nothing can fill the void
01:34:50
>> sweet >> that the wing left. >> Um, but like it does awesome stuff like
01:34:54
it's done with the past on the cases where it can take away your keyboard. You get all your screen real estate back
01:35:00
which is great. Um, one of the cool things I I really liked about the power keyboard was it has multiple Bluetooth
01:35:07
connections and it they kind of just created a mobile Bluetooth keyboard in a sense where like this could connect to
01:35:14
your phone but this could also connect to your vision pro and you don't have to
01:35:17
type in the air anymore. This could connect to your Apple TV so you don't have to use the remote arrow buttons to
01:35:23
search for things. >> That's huge. >> Yeah. So like this is now just kind of
01:35:26
especially if you keep it with your phone >> pocketable Bluetooth keyboard that's
01:35:30
also a battery bank that >> if you can pair it easily to things that would be awesome.
01:35:34
>> And then there's a he said there's multiple pairing and it's just a
01:35:37
keyboard shortcut to swap between the pairs. >> Oh that's so smart. So launch price $79
01:35:43
>> which is pretty good. >> I mean battery banks aren't that cheap.
01:35:45
It's definitely more expensive than a regular battery bank but it has to have
01:35:48
the sliding mechanism and a keyboard that they put a lot of effort into. Um, after launch price it'll be 109, which
01:35:54
that's pricey, but I really think the people who would want this >> will want it. I also like how now it's
01:36:00
not just a phone in a case all of the time and long. If there are scenarios where you think you need it a little
01:36:06
more and it also is now a battery bank as well, which is awesome. I didn't see
01:36:10
>> how big it was. Um, also huge shout out to Michael. He opens the video keynote
01:36:15
with like, I've seen a million of them and let's do them right. This whole
01:36:19
thing was announced at fully inspect with price at like two minutes and 45 seconds into the video, including the
01:36:25
intro. >> Yeah. >> So, bravo. Um, >> yeah, I think this makes a lot more
01:36:29
sense. Their their problem before was that they needed to make it for every individual phone.
01:36:34
>> Yes. >> And they eventually got it out for the Razer, but like every year when they
01:36:39
update the phone, like Apple updated the camera bar, so then it didn't, you know,
01:36:43
you had to buy a whole new case and they cost over $100 and it just like doesn't
01:36:46
make a lot of sense. And so having something that just uses MagSafe/G2 um that is just a universal keyboard
01:36:54
that you can also use with Vision Pro, you can also use with your Apple TV or whatever, it just makes like way more
01:36:59
sense. And it's a battery bank, which is just, you know, it is a little bit like
01:37:03
thick. >> It's bulky for sure, but it's a battery bank. Like it's a battery banking.
01:37:07
>> So I don't think you're going to want to have it on your phone all the time, but
01:37:10
it is kind of nice that you can just have your phone normal for most of the time and then when you want to get into
01:37:15
some keyboard action. And I like that it slides up. They also showed that it does
01:37:19
work with foldable phones unfolded. >> Uh so even like the >> ZFold 7,
01:37:25
>> it'll work with >> Well, yeah, because even if it's not connected, if you have the um
01:37:31
>> I can't even remember what the trifold is, but now the trifold could be all the
01:37:33
way out and now you have a hand keyboard in front of you. Also, >> but the ZFold 7 it like if you put if
01:37:39
you like magnetize it to it, >> it actually like the keyboard will be low enough that you can like type on it
01:37:46
>> sideways or >> like when it's open like really >> but then it'd be off to one side, right?
01:37:52
>> Um it didn't look like that in his video. >> Well, I'm assuming then then he flipped
01:37:56
it landscape and folded it up. >> Yeah. >> Oh, maybe. Yeah, that's probably
01:38:00
>> which is awesome. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, that's really cool.
01:38:02
>> Pretty cool. I mean, you know, obviously Michael Fischer is going to be somebody
01:38:06
that uh tries probably said, "We have to do this, we have to do this, we had to
01:38:10
do this at all the design meetings." >> Glad that he got his voice through.
01:38:14
>> It's the perfect time that now Chiu accessories or CH2 ready is so much more
01:38:19
prevalent that like even if phones don't have the MagSafe magnet, you can probably find a case.
01:38:24
>> Even though there's like the Pixel uses CH2 and the um what is it? The Skyline,
01:38:29
the HMD Skyline. And that's basically it except for our next product we're going
01:38:34
to talk about which is another another clicks product. >> I didn't even realize this had
01:38:39
>> G2 baby. >> I missed that completely. >> So okay there's another product that
01:38:44
Clicks announced called the Clicks communicator which if you know Michael Fischer makes a lot of sense.
01:38:48
>> It's a reference >> it's a reference to Star Trek. Um and
01:38:52
it's basically the idea of it is it's similar to the idea of what Palm was
01:38:57
when they launched their phone except it's not like micro. It's like it's it's
01:39:01
a different form factor. Has like a square display with a keyboard. It kind of looks like a blackjack or or
01:39:06
Blackberry like the original BlackBerry. >> I consider this the r/android phone.
01:39:12
It's like everything that r/android wants in a device. >> This is so interesting to me.
01:39:17
>> It is specifically tailored to mostly just be a communication device. So, it
01:39:22
uses a modified version of Niagara Launcher, which if you ever used Niagara, it's basically this um this
01:39:28
descending list of letters on the side of your screen that just lists your apps out. So, it's supposed to be like the
01:39:36
anti- social media, anti-crollable device because, you know, you could have Tik Tok on it, but it's going to have
01:39:42
these big bars on the side because it's not a vertical display. It's like a
01:39:45
square display. >> Yeah, it is. So, it's so clearly indicated as a communicator because it
01:39:49
has a physical keyboard. Yeah. which you know obviously is going to well for most
01:39:52
people is going to be the ideal way to type out a lot of stuff is is really interesting to me for two reasons. One
01:39:58
is because I think I would enjoy using something like this although I'm a smartphone person like I use my
01:40:03
smartphone keyboard all the time >> but two >> it is such a good product idea as a new
01:40:10
like startup type of company. Yeah. >> I've been asked probably a trillion
01:40:15
times in my lifetime, hey shouldn't shouldn't you make a phone? like couldn't you you you review all these
01:40:20
phones. Shouldn't you compete? And it's like no, this is this is the most
01:40:24
competitive like impossible to break through category to make a new product. I I could never just make a smartphone
01:40:30
in my bedroom or something like that. That's ridiculous. But a product like this, they have all of the right uh
01:40:38
obviously this is a a very specific targeted genre for like what the product is, but then they don't have to have the
01:40:43
best camera because this is not a thing that's designed around having the best
01:40:45
camera. This doesn't have to have the best screen. It doesn't have to have the
01:40:48
best processor or even software. Obviously, a new startup, we hear, you know, Carl Pay from nothing talk all the
01:40:53
time about how, oh, it takes so much extra work for a team to make all this new software. Okay, well, we'll use
01:40:59
Niagara Launcher. Like, they have all these things that are appropriately trimmed down and not trying to compete
01:41:04
with smartphones because the whole thing isn't competing with smartphones. >> So, it's a really interesting, decently
01:41:09
new thing that I think will find a home because it's not going to be ideally
01:41:14
compared with smartphones or you're missing the point. Yeah, it is different
01:41:16
from a smartphone. >> It's so clearly made by somebody in the community that we are all in cuz like
01:41:22
>> my favorite thing, notification LED. >> Like come on, we've all been asking.
01:41:27
Yeah. In the power button. >> Um and like it can be based on contacts or based on apps that are giving you
01:41:33
notifications. You can customize all >> always asked for. >> Yeah. Exactly. And it's because this is
01:41:38
a a thing that they're saying it's a second phone optimized for communicating. So much of it's supposed
01:41:43
to be based on triaging inbox and uh like seeing when you want to actually uh like pick up your phone and it's cuz
01:41:52
like maybe you don't care about some emails right now, but if you're getting
01:41:55
the Slack color notification, maybe that's what you do need to pick your phone up for.
01:41:59
>> Like every every photo of this uh with the screen on shows like the messages
01:42:04
hub, which is just like answering, replying to messages. That's what the thing is best at.
01:42:07
>> Yeah. >> Which is what it's for. I mean, it's really it's really shipped as like a
01:42:11
weekend phone. Like, you use it on the weekend to just kind of like get stuff done or like a secondary device if
01:42:16
you're like a business person. >> Can you use this as your main phone?
01:42:19
That's what I'm confused about. It's a full Android phone. >> This is where I'm getting kind of
01:42:22
confused. Yes, it is a full Android phone. They said you can download apps. You can download like David said, Tik
01:42:27
Tok or YouTube or whatever on it. >> I'm confused a little bit because it has
01:42:32
its own SIM card. It has >> They're saying second phone. So, it's like a phone you use as a companion.
01:42:39
>> Yes. >> With your regular phone, >> but it does it have a second phone
01:42:42
number? >> Uh, yes. So, I uh saw this in the in the script last night, so I texted Michael
01:42:48
Fisher to get you an answer for this. >> Oh, yeah. Speaking of which, full
01:42:51
disclosure, we know in light everything with a grain of salt. Maybe one of those cool grains that are
01:42:58
vibrating at 30,000 on that knife that I really want. If you're still listening,
01:43:02
>> used to be my roommate. Uh, we see each other like twice a week. So, if you
01:43:07
think I'm lying, then that's fair. >> I'm doing my best here. >> That's a great disclosure.
01:43:13
>> Yeah. >> Um, let's see what he said. I said question. Oh, yeah. Okay.
01:43:19
>> Uh, he said, "Yeah, we've seen some confusion around this. It is a full
01:43:23
phone with a prime uh physical SIM and ESIM support, but you need a second number. We're not doing anything at the
01:43:29
moment in terms of number mirroring or forwarding. The target customer either uses mostly federated messaging apps
01:43:35
like Telegram or WhatsApp or whatever >> sending ones. >> Yeah. Or Slack or whatever.
01:43:39
>> I mean >> uh this is where I >> with multiple signons and or maintains
01:43:44
two phone numbers like Marquez. Anyway, >> yeah. So when they say companion phone,
01:43:49
it's not paired in any way to your phone. It's just you have a separate phone that you try to use less and you
01:43:54
have this as your main communicator and you answer your Slack messages on this. You answer your Telegram messages. all
01:43:59
the things that you're signed into that will sync and will mark as red everywhere else.
01:44:03
>> Yeah, >> that's >> I'm just curious if this could be
01:44:06
someone's primary device. >> It definitely could. >> It runs Android and you can install
01:44:12
whatever Android apps you want. It's just not ideal. >> It's fully overall
01:44:17
>> cuz I don't think a lot of people are going to be buying this as a secondary
01:44:22
device outside of our sphere. >> Yeah. Really, you know? >> Well, maybe the business community.
01:44:26
>> I feel like business people just get iPhones. an old iPhone or something or a
01:44:29
Samsung phone with >> I've seen a couple people with Blackberries on >> or like work phones.
01:44:34
>> That's what I mean. Work phones for business phones like you just get issued
01:44:37
an iPhone >> usually. Yeah. I don't know. >> I My thing was like I I think this is
01:44:43
awesome. I would want it which what I want might be impossible. So I think that's totally fair. But like I would
01:44:49
want it to use my number because I still use text messaging so much. >> I mean you could just use it as your
01:44:55
main phone. Yeah, G2. The thing is, this wouldn't be my problem. This wouldn't be my weekend
01:45:00
phone. This would be my weekday phone because I'd get a lot of stuff done at
01:45:04
work. I would be able to really quickly see notifications on it. And when I get home and I only have 2 hours before Lane
01:45:11
goes to bed, >> doom scroll. >> No, I can't doom scroll because this is
01:45:14
what I'm using. Whereas my normal phone on the weekend where maybe I have more
01:45:18
time to screw around on it or I'm capturing more things based on what we're doing, that's when I use my red.
01:45:23
That's a great point. How about you get you switch to Google Fi, you get one of
01:45:27
their data only SIMs that's free. You put the data only SIM in your Pixel. You
01:45:32
use this on as your main phone and then on the weekend you don't have to respond
01:45:35
to texts anyway. >> Yeah. My real thing is I think I'd rather almost just use this as my only
01:45:40
phone. And now that I'm carrying a camera around with myself all the time. >> Yeah, same. Honestly, yeah.
01:45:45
>> I think a lot of people are going to want to use this as their only phone.
01:45:47
But my other issue is that being the keyboard nerd on this, I have zero nostalgia for phone keyboards. However,
01:45:54
but I do want to try it really bad because it seems like they modify. >> So, so a big problem that people had
01:45:59
with the original clicks were was that like the key the keys were a little bit too close to each other and they were
01:46:04
pretty small. Because this is does not have to adhere to that classic 21x9 aspect ratio and it's wider because it's
01:46:10
a square screen. The keys are actually quite a bit bigger. Yeah. >> So, you might have a better experience
01:46:16
typing on this thing than you did. >> This has just always been what confuses,
01:46:19
well, not confuses me, what keeps me personally from the clicks line of stuff >> is because I do have like the nostalgia
01:46:25
factor for physical keyboards, but there's something like I'm so good now
01:46:29
with a on screen keyboard like swiping and all that. Like, it's so good. I don't know if I go back if I would still
01:46:35
be as good. >> There might be a learning curve. I have a feeling cuz this is what happened when
01:46:39
I tried clicks is like there is a learning curve where I get dramatically slower when switching to a new keyboard.
01:46:44
But perhaps >> after using it for a while >> I could be just as fast if not faster
01:46:50
and enjoy it more. >> And it's got voice text. >> But it is very frustrating.
01:46:53
>> Voice text like you can customize the side button also. And one of the things
01:46:57
to do is you press it and hold it and it automatically brings in speech to text and then when you let go it just sends
01:47:03
it. Like it's just like an easier way to communicate. I need it to let go and
01:47:08
then let me review it before sending it. >> No, >> because speech to text has done me so
01:47:14
before. >> Also, it has a headphone jack. >> Has a headphone jack. It has micro SD.
01:47:19
>> That's micro SD expansion. >> It has like, like I said, this was built
01:47:21
by somebody. What do you need micro SD for if you're not doing >> expansion? Storage expansion. But what
01:47:27
are you storing? >> What do you not want? >> Messages. I have 500 GB of texts.
01:47:32
>> What? I'm joking. >> Yeah, I feel like I It should have like 64 gigs of music.
01:47:37
>> Yeah, the cameras are notably not that good, but like who cares? >> Yeah.
01:47:40
>> Yeah. I've never cared about my phone camera. >> That's >> I don't know if I believe you.
01:47:44
>> That's a lie. >> I only sometimes care about my phone. >> I've never with a straight face. I've
01:47:52
never cared about this camera. >> I've Yeah. >> I have never thought once about a camera
01:47:57
in a phone. David Al, >> not a single time. >> Notable not caring about photos and
01:48:02
cameras. made multiple videos about it at all. >> They also uh like you said, they updated
01:48:07
the keyboard in a bunch of different ways from the font to the size to the spacing. It also can be can work as a
01:48:13
trackpad. Um like you can scroll across it which is also kind of nice because since the screen is smaller now your
01:48:19
thumb is not in the way. >> Um along with that the you can do a bunch of shortcuts through certain
01:48:27
buttons. There's specifically a clicks button on it, but you can program uh different shortcuts on there.
01:48:32
>> I love it. It's like raycast on my phone. Just like quick key bindings and
01:48:36
everything >> cuz I had them. Um there is a launch price of what is it? >> So the act So the actual price is going
01:48:45
to be $4.99. There is a early bird price um reservation price which is $3.99. So,
01:48:54
I think if you pay in full now, you can get it for $100 cheaper. >> Yeah. >> And then there's a reservation deposit
01:49:01
of $200. So, you have to um >> But that also says to lock in the early bird price.
01:49:06
>> Oh, yeah. That's confusing. >> That's why I'm confused. Okay.
01:49:08
>> Um you probably >> Oh. Oh, but if you do pay in full, you get two back covers cuz it has a
01:49:12
replaceable >> has a replace. So, it's got a colored back cover and you can just swap them
01:49:16
out for a different color if you want. >> Can you replace the battery? >> If I can hot swap batteries.
01:49:21
>> That's a great question. If you can replace the back, >> I don't think so.
01:49:25
>> I doubt it. But that would be amazing. But then they probably couldn't IP.
01:49:30
>> It's G2 and silicon carbon. I don't think you can. >> There's also a fingerprint sensor on the
01:49:33
on the space bar. >> The space bar. Yeah. >> Oh, this is amazing. >> Also, the reason the notification LED is
01:49:39
on the side button is because whether it's face up or face down on the table,
01:49:42
you'll still be able to see it. >> And I don't remember if you guys
01:49:45
remember the Blackberry. Um, >> no. the back BlackBerry. God, >> it was the Android one that slid out. It
01:49:53
went, >> remember that? >> Was it the priv had a touch sensitive keyboard, so you
01:50:00
could like you could use it as like a mouse by just scrolling your finger and it kind of hurt a little bit.
01:50:04
>> This does the same thing. >> Yeah, the trackpad. >> The trackpad is touch sensitive, so you
01:50:09
can like scroll your finger around it and it kind of hurts a little bit. Um, yeah, it's crazy. And then you've got a
01:50:14
bunch of different colors. It's just it's so cool >> in my eyes. affordable.
01:50:19
>> This is We talk so much about dumb phones and this is not a dumb phone, but
01:50:24
this feels like the better version of all of those phones of like a productivity phone, a non a
01:50:29
non-distracting phone. I think this is better than the perfect again, it's like
01:50:34
if I if someone came out with a $500 phone that had a bad a bad camera and had like a bunch of stuff that's like
01:50:40
not up to competing with other $500 flagships, you would be mad. But this is such a specific product that does such a
01:50:47
specific thing that doesn't really have competitors. >> The cameras aren't I mean it's 50
01:50:50
megapixel. It has OIS. It's got a 24 megapixel frontfacing camera. >> I can guarantee it's not going to be you
01:50:56
know Pixel or whatever $500 phones out there. It's good enough. >> But it has G2 which most phones don't
01:51:01
have. >> Pixel think about the $500 Pixel which >> the Pixel has it.
01:51:04
>> If you buy a $500 Pixel you get G2, you get a good battery. You get tensor is
01:51:09
not good but you get really good cameras. Well, also it didn't launch at $500.
01:51:13
>> Well, what's a 9A cost? 9A. Yeah, I guess the A the A is 5 550, I think.
01:51:19
>> Yeah. So, but this I'm not expecting it to do those things. So, I'm expecting to
01:51:23
be have an amazing keyboard and to do the notification light and the G2 and the headphone jack.
01:51:28
>> Headphone jack. >> Yeah. Well, and it has 256 GB of storage, which the Pixel doesn't have,
01:51:33
by the way. If we remember. Hilarious. If we remember. >> Hilarious. >> Yeah.
01:51:38
>> Mic and expandable storage. Micros up to two terabytes. You want to have a two
01:51:42
terbte texting phone? Let's freaking go. >> Messages you can store with two teraby.
01:51:47
>> All of them. All of the messages. >> We're Pixel. We have the best camera
01:51:50
ever. Here's 128 gigs. We literally just sent text messages. Double it. >> Yeah. So, I texted Fisher uh literally
01:51:58
yesterday and I was like, so cuz his office is near my apartment and I was like, you don't have one just lying
01:52:02
around I could bring into the podcast, do you? is like, "Man, we brought them
01:52:06
all to CES, but I would love to get you some immediately if you want." >> Yes, I'm going to date.
01:52:11
>> We'll take five. >> So, yeah, we'll take five. >> Anyway,
01:52:15
>> the Pixel 9a is on sale right now at google.com or google store.com. >> It is currently $3.99.
01:52:23
>> Well, so is this. >> Nice. >> Pre-order it >> and you get more.
01:52:27
>> You get more storage. You get more storage. Anyway, I just think it's cool as heck.
01:52:33
And I think that um if social media did not exist and to force us to do everything in uh 21 by9, this is what we
01:52:43
could have just on the market all the time with many different options. But social media had to standardize
01:52:48
everything. >> This segment was not sponsored by clicks in any way or by anyone that we know. We
01:52:53
just matter that he's one of my best friends. >> It's fine. >> You think I'm lying.
01:52:58
>> If you think I'm lying, maybe >> it's possible. I could be tricking you. Are we going to
01:53:05
talk about the AI assistant that's built into it? >> Um, I don't know.
01:53:09
>> There's no way. >> I'm joking. >> It's just just joking.
01:53:13
>> It's just Michael Fischer pops up in the corner. >> It's like a weeaboo thing.
01:53:17
>> No, it's like Michael Fisher in a Star Trek like Starle. Wait, >> that would be so good.
01:53:22
>> I have to test. >> Don't give him any ideas. >> He's like, "What do you need?"
01:53:27
>> Honestly, yeah, the notification LED thing is huge. I >> It's so good. I said to him last night,
01:53:31
I was like, "3 cents of cost, unlimited unlimited value." >> Um, and the colors on the back that you
01:53:38
can get are like this like sea foam blue. There's like a a a gray that's
01:53:44
kind of like a granite gray. There's like the cool orange that's kind of like
01:53:48
a burnt. There is the uh green that's sort of like a forest green. >> Waveform green as we uh
01:53:55
>> from that from that Reddit post that was like >> only like one color.
01:54:00
Oh, cuz you're wearing it. >> Uh, there's like a wine color. Um, there
01:54:05
is a slate gray. There is neon yellow, which only Michael Fischer likes. >> What? No, me too. I would That's my
01:54:12
favorite color. >> Andrew has a >> I have the phone. That That's
01:54:15
>> No, this is like This is piss. >> Y'all are fake. Um, I'm the real piss
01:54:20
boy. >> I can't USE THAT. >> NO, YOU KNOW WHAT? Leave it in. Leave it
01:54:26
in. >> Leave it in. Uh there is a there's like a like a a burnt hot pink purple thing. It's thing.
01:54:34
And then there is there's a le burnt magenta I guess we say. And then there's
01:54:38
a leather back. >> Was that leather or leather? >> Looks like leather to me. Yeah, it's
01:54:43
leather. Look at that texture. It might be vegan leather. >> I'm going to pre-order. I'm going to re
01:54:47
reserve one. >> I will hopefully review it when I check it out. >> Oh, and we we forgot to mention the
01:54:52
actual body color also comes in three colors. It comes in white, green, and black. Oh, there's a You know which
01:54:57
one's the correct one. >> White's the correct one. >> There's a forest green, though.
01:55:00
>> I know, but the white looks so I'd rather it be white with a green back.
01:55:04
>> I just always worry about white products like if they're going to in my pocket
01:55:06
just turn like a weird color. Patina. >> Yeah, it'll pick up the the blue jeans.
01:55:12
I don't know. I don't know. Might not. Anyway, speaking of worried, >> I'm worried about the next trivia
01:55:18
question, >> as you should be, because we spoke about Lego in this most recent three hours
01:55:25
ago. hours ago, right at the beginning. I did not expect this to go this long, but I should have known. Uh, currently
01:55:30
the most expensive set you can buy on the website is what and for how much? Two points on the line.
01:55:38
>> Okay. >> How specific do we have to get? >> Very specific. >> Closest price without going over.
01:55:43
>> Without going over. >> Without right rules. >> I just heard of a new set they're
01:55:47
releasing >> and it's very specific. >> Are you counting that one? Is it Is it
01:55:52
sets that you can currently buy on the shelf right now? because the one that they announced
01:55:58
>> I think >> launching January 24th >> so it's not out >> you could buy it but it'll get to you on
01:56:03
January 24th >> okay >> so the answer is something I don't want to say
01:56:08
>> there's a bunch of them but it's like the one that's currently on the website
01:56:10
sort by highest price what's that first one >> oh so I'm not going to get that I'm not
01:56:14
going to get any points this year told you I should be worried well I'm going
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going to do 2026 predictions, but I'm going to spice it up a bit. This is going to be a competition.
01:58:41
>> Oh no. >> Yeah. >> What? >> I'm calling it call your shot. So you
01:58:44
have to call your shot for the rest of the year. You're making your prediction
01:58:47
but we are going to revisit this at the end of the year and I'm going to tally
01:58:51
up the correct predictions and the wrong predictions. So you want to be accurate
01:58:56
but not too accurate. You want to be like but not going over. >> Yeah. Closest but not but not going
01:59:00
over. All right. So, first question. I'm just going to ask you guys a bunch of
01:59:04
questions and you guys are going to make your predictions. >> Okay, cool. >> So, yes or no, basically.
01:59:07
>> No, some of them are like >> over under. >> Yeah, over under. Name a product, you
01:59:11
know. >> Scam real. >> For example, what is one product that will not ship
01:59:17
this year? >> Oh, easy. Cyber cab. >> Too easy. That doesn't >> What?
01:59:23
>> Cyber cab. >> Yeah. Is that your take? >> Well, because they announced it would
01:59:26
ship this year and that I think that's a pretty good take that it will not. I
01:59:30
mean, there are hundreds of thousands of robo taxis by the end of 2025. >> Of course.
01:59:34
>> Of course. We hear that every day. Um, road ship >> ship. >> Ship.
01:59:39
>> Zen. The zen phone. >> No. >> If we're just trying to tally as many
01:59:47
correct thing, but if we want to make like a bold prediction, I'll say it still has to be a prediction.
01:59:53
Can I say the I'm going to say Rabbit R2, but just whatever this like threein-one rabbit
02:00:00
thing is. >> Vision Pro 2. >> I think I like Cyber Cab because it was
02:00:04
announced that it would ship this year, >> right? >> Yeah. It has to be something that's been
02:00:08
announced. You can't just like make up a thing. >> My thing's like a rumor. It's also funny
02:00:11
cuz my prediction last year was there would be a Rabbit Art >> and I was wrong so I'm doing the
02:00:17
opposite. >> Well, what what else have they announced will come out this year?
02:00:22
or something that might be rumored to come or like >> Oh, the Razer thing.
02:00:26
>> The Razer thing. >> Like you could like iPhone Air would be an interesting thing. I think it makes
02:00:31
it, but like >> they say they weren't going to make it this year. >> Well, that's the question.
02:00:35
>> I don't know. We That's not something we have for sure yet. >> Folding iPhone is another one.
02:00:38
>> No, that's coming out this year. >> People think this year. >> That's coming out. I know. I know. It's
02:00:42
coming out. >> Oh, I'll go that. No folding iPhone this year. >> Okay.
02:00:46
>> Oh, wow. >> Yeah, you're you're wrong on that one. >> I tally it.
02:00:51
point some insider knowledge. >> It's possible that it could it could it's possible that it could not come
02:00:56
out, but I just based on everything I've read from like Mingchi Quo and stuff
02:00:59
like that, it's like it would almost be more expensive for it not to come out
02:01:04
this year than to put it out and have it be bad. You know what I mean? >> Siri,
02:01:09
>> I was literally I was thinking that >> I was like the new Siri. Yeah,
02:01:14
>> guys, we're missing the obvious one. The easy the slam dunk the the Kareem hook
02:01:18
shot. >> You can get a point. >> Yeah, I will. I said it two weeks ago. Yeah, it's the
02:01:22
1x Neo. There's no way that's coming out this year. >> It's supposed to come out in 2026.
02:01:26
>> It's supposed to come out in 2026. >> Okay, that's a good one. It's not coming
02:01:29
out. >> That's a good one. Yeah. >> So, we all think Pickle's coming out.
02:01:33
>> Do we think Pickle's coming out? >> I wanted to say the new Siri.
02:01:37
>> I think Pickle is coming out. I think it's just going to be bad. >> Yeah.
02:01:40
>> Yeah. I wanted to say the new Siri, but I feel like at Dubdub they they can't
02:01:45
not reounce it. >> That's what we said last year. >> Oh, it's true. Didn't it get announced
02:01:49
at Dub last year? >> No, two years. >> No, two years ago. >> Yeah, but it's still not out. Yeah,
02:01:56
maybe this year they just spend talking about uh folding displays. >> Wait, I feel like I have to ask a
02:02:02
question about my Neo prediction. >> What? >> Like if they just send people a lifeless
02:02:07
corpse like like like a mannequin that doesn't work, do I lose? >> I think right now
02:02:13
>> like what does ship mean? I can't believe we're here where we have to say
02:02:16
like what does ship mean? I think if they ship and it's still just um Telaoperated, that counts cuz that is
02:02:23
what they said they were going to do. So, you would lose that bet. >> But a lifeless corpse that doesn't even
02:02:27
turn on. No. Well, they're not going to do that. >> Tesla optimist. >> And we're thinking along the lines of a
02:02:32
while ago where we said like >> when does the F150 Lightning ship and I was like we're saying like 50 people
02:02:38
non-re hands on like >> Okay. So, it's it's it's Ford Tesla's
02:02:44
cyber lightning rules. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> All right. And I will maintain what I
02:02:47
said last episode that if this does ship in 2026, even Pelopy, >> I'll eat more hot sauce.
02:02:54
>> I can't wait for some. And it gets to feed you the hot sauce. >> If that Yeah, you have permission. Mr.
02:03:00
Neo, I'm assuming the guy who founded the company's name is either Mr. Neo or
02:03:05
Mr. 1X. >> Um because all companies are name um but uh >> Mr. Apple. Yeah, like Tim Apple, founder
02:03:13
and and Bill Microsoft. >> Yeah. And uh Elon Tesla. No, Elon PayPal. No, >> Nikolai.
02:03:19
>> Elon Pay. >> Elon. No, it's Elon. Boring, guys. That's it. Am I right? No. Uh, yeah. You
02:03:24
have permission to send one to the studio and have it tea hot sauce into my mouth.
02:03:28
>> Nice. >> Nice. GTA 6. >> Damn. Whoa. Is that an actual delay? I don't feel
02:03:37
>> Are you just throwing it out there? Are you >> I'm kind of throwing it out there. I
02:03:40
don't feel like it could get delayed again, but I've been wrong many times.
02:03:45
So if you get it wrong, is there a penalty involved? >> No, it's just less chance of winning.
02:03:52
>> Okay, got it. >> Okay. Yeah, I'll stick with mine then. I think those are good.
02:03:56
>> My new Street Manifesto album. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> How about Okay, here's one. The Okay,
02:04:05
this is actually a good one. The The Honda Aila Sony car that they did announce at CES is going to ship this
02:04:13
year. I bet you it will not show >> the SUV or the car. >> Cuz they rolled out a brand new SUV
02:04:18
without even shipping the car. >> I'll take either one. >> Either one shows up.
02:04:21
>> The car. >> The car. The car. Okay. >> Yeah, I like that. I like that guess.
02:04:25
>> Yeah. >> Will threads federate? >> No, >> it's over.
02:04:30
>> Will threads federate? Now, can we get a definition? >> It's over.
02:04:33
>> Will ths federate? >> Because I I'm asking for a definition because at the moment I share to threads
02:04:39
and it shares to the Fedverse, but that's not what you're talking about. I
02:04:41
don't know. >> So, what do you what do you mean by >> how to write this?
02:04:44
>> The full federation would be someone replies to you on Macedon. >> Uhhuh.
02:04:51
>> You see their reply on threads. You can like their reply, which you can
02:04:56
currently do, >> but you can also reply. >> Yeah, you can. >> Which you cannot currently do. You
02:05:00
>> can reply to their >> Can I say something? >> Okay. Yeah. >> You know why the Fedverse will never
02:05:03
work? Cuz you've been trying to explain it to us for 3 years and we're still
02:05:07
asking the same four questions. >> It's so easy. It's it's like something
02:05:13
and you see it on >> it needs to get to the point where we don't need to explain it. That's the
02:05:17
issue. >> Picture a world where you cannot email me because you have Gmail and I have
02:05:23
Hotmail. >> Yeah. >> Now picture not that. >> That's the everything works.
02:05:28
>> So everyone says no. >> No. Wait. The entire Fedverse is over. >> No.
02:05:32
>> Oh, just the Threadverse. >> The Threadverse is over. >> Yeah, that makes sense. Will Apple or
02:05:37
Samsung get a silicon carbon battery product? Phone. Product. Product or phone? What
02:05:43
do we think? >> Yeah, you have to. >> Oh, they make so many products. What if
02:05:47
my Samsung washing machine has silicon carbon? >> Yeah. Phone. >> Well, Samsung or Apple. Those two
02:05:53
companies only. >> Specifically those two because we've already seen them from the Chinese man.
02:05:57
>> We have to pick one or just yes or no. Either or both. >> Oh. >> So,
02:06:01
>> I have some context that might help this answer. When I was at Google IO last
02:06:06
year, a Pixel engineer came up to me and he said, "I know you guys keep wondering
02:06:11
where the silicon carbon is coming in the US, but I just so you know, all the Chinese companies are shipping it and
02:06:17
it's very unsafe and like it gets like it has way less charging cycles than regular lithium ion and we're not using
02:06:25
it because yeah, it's higher capacity and lasts longer, but it they die within
02:06:28
like two years. >> It also expands >> and they expand worse and blah blah
02:06:32
blah. So, it seems like the Western companies are more concerned with like longevity and or safety, especially
02:06:40
Samsung, who has had battery problems in the past, which would lead me to believe
02:06:45
that nobody's going to use it this year. Although, does the iPhone Air use silicon carbon?
02:06:51
>> No, it does not. >> Doesn't. >> So, that's an interesting I've heard
02:06:54
some of those same uh anecdotes from people who work at these companies. I think that that means that at the end of
02:07:01
this year, we'll know if that's true or not because we'll have 2-year-old like
02:07:05
OnePlus 13 will be 2 years old. >> Yeah. >> And so, we'll have 2-year-old silicon
02:07:09
carbon phones out there that will either still be doing fine or they will start to have they'll start to show their
02:07:15
flaws. >> So, I think we'll probably continue to see no silicon carbon from the for one
02:07:24
more year, >> but we'll also find out if that was a mistake or not. I think next year is
02:07:28
when the western companies will start shipping silicon carbon, but not this year.
02:07:31
>> Interesting. >> Okay, >> I'm gonna say I'm gonna say yes. I'm
02:07:34
going I want to win this game or I want to lose this game and >> yeah. >> Okay, nice.
02:07:40
>> Bold pick. Uh, next question. Will the Pixel 11 get a redesign? >> Can we do will the Pixel 11 base storage
02:07:47
be 256? >> It has to be. >> Yeah, you would think. I agree. Now, do we define redesign by like big redesign
02:07:54
or just like a refinement from like from seven to eight? >> Yeah, because 9 to 10 was like the same
02:07:59
phone, you know? So, it'll have it'll still have a camera visor. It's going to
02:08:02
look the same. >> I think the visor is going to look different. I think it's going to be a
02:08:05
redesigned visor, but still be a visor. Kind of similar to how it went from the like melting over the edge to now being
02:08:11
its own. >> Something about that will change >> to be more obviously not the 10. Do you
02:08:16
think it's going to be more unibody like the iPhone, but then have like the glass
02:08:20
charging back? >> That'd be cool. >> Like aluminum. Would that count as a
02:08:24
redesign? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I don't think they're going to do
02:08:27
that. I agree with you. I think it will be a slightly different visor, but I don't think it's enough to be a
02:08:32
redesign. Like a redesign. When you say that, I I picture them going with something that looks very different,
02:08:37
which I don't know. >> Like you can still like a regular phone upgrade. Like all the pixels, you knew
02:08:42
they were pixels, you know? Yeah. But >> like what Samsung does from year to year
02:08:46
is not a redesign. >> No. No. They're all the same. >> What Apple did with the Pro phone this
02:08:50
year is a redesign. >> Yeah. I would argue every Pixel until the 9 to 10 was a redesign. So that's
02:08:56
kind of what I'm thinking. Like >> every Pixel from 9 to what? >> From everything until the 9 to the 10
02:09:02
was a redesign. >> Uh >> it was a different phone. You could tell it was a Pixel, but it was a different
02:09:06
phone. Like >> seven and Pixel 8 were super I would say seven and eight was not a redesign. 8 to
02:09:12
9 was a redesign. 9 to 10 was not a redesign. >> Yeah, okay, that's fair.
02:09:15
>> I guess when I picture redesign, I picture like going from the ground. Like
02:09:18
it wasn't a slightly updated design, but I don't think that's a redesign. You
02:09:22
know, a redesign is like, let's go back to the drawing board. >> Pixel 8 and 9 were different.
02:09:26
>> I know. I said seven and eight were the same and eight and nine and 10 are the
02:09:29
same. >> Got it. Correct. >> Yeah. Tik Tok. Well, that would mean that they're going to redesign it again
02:09:33
and 11 and 12 will be the same. >> Yeah. >> I think something like they might do
02:09:37
like a two-tone color between the the bump. Although, I guess that doesn't connect. It doesn't
02:09:44
They're also selling so well right now that I feel like they're going to be a
02:09:46
little bit scared to change anything, but >> Okay, I'm going with uh I'm going with
02:09:54
>> Yes, they will slightly update the visor. So, that's a redesign. >> Yes.
02:09:57
>> Okay. Yeah, I'm going with that. >> I'm going to go with no.
02:10:00
>> It's going to be the same as the Pixel 10. >> Yeah, >> I kind of want to go yes.
02:10:05
>> That would be very Samsung with them. >> I want to go there will be
02:10:09
>> a redesign. We're going to have to really figure out how to define that.
02:10:13
>> Yeah, >> it'll be orange. >> It's a redesign. >> All right, next question.
02:10:19
>> What will be the phone of the year? >> Whoa. >> Way too early in prediction for phone of
02:10:24
the year. >> Phone of a crazy one. >> iPhone. >> I'm kidding. Well, okay. So, if we think
02:10:29
iPhone Fold's going to come out, >> it will. >> It that's that's an option, right? Okay.
02:10:34
We're going to get We know the obvious ones are going to come out. >> Yeah. We know there's gonna be a new S26
02:10:39
and a new iPhone and a new Pixel and a new >> and a new Zen. >> Exactly. Yeah.
02:10:48
>> Xiaomi 17 Ultra is coming >> and probably the 18 and 19 and 20 in the
02:10:51
same year. Yeah, probably. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> What is going to be the phone of find
02:10:57
>> the OnePlus 15s and then the 16? >> I was going to say >> Oppo Find X10 Pro.
02:11:01
>> OnePlus 16 finally decides to put a reasonable camera in it. That would be
02:11:06
above reason. >> I mean, that was everyone's like >> flagship camera.
02:11:09
>> That was everyone's problem with it. >> If that happened, yeah,
02:11:12
>> I agree that if that happened, it would be phone of the year. I just don't think
02:11:14
that's going to happen. >> I think I believe in you, OnePlus. >> All right, Andrew's gone. Phone of the
02:11:19
year, OnePlus 16. >> I could see it. I think that's a good guess. Um, >> I'm trying to read my future self. What
02:11:28
What I think would happen? I'm going to let's go with uh >> Wait, Marquez can literally
02:11:36
>> I know do whatever he wants. >> I can decide which one wins. I I can
02:11:39
make sure you guys are wrong, too. >> Wow. >> No, I think let's go.
02:11:42
>> But will you >> Let's go. Pixel finally figures itself out. Tensor
02:11:47
>> L M A >> I think I I think I thought this last year too. >> You did.
02:11:51
>> I think this is the year that pixel finally >> exactly your prediction.
02:11:55
>> High quality chip. >> Your prediction last year is the year of the pixel tensor. Yeah. I think it's
02:12:00
going to be the clicks communicator. >> Yeah, maybe. >> Whoa, January. Interesting.
02:12:05
>> Sh. >> Uh, you would probably never choose that as your phone of the year, though. So,
02:12:10
I'm going to say, honestly, OnePlus 18 is a good good choice. >> 18. >> I don't know.
02:12:19
>> If the OnePlus 18 comes out next year, it's definitely getting fun of the year.
02:12:23
>> I would I want to go with the OnePlus, too. >> I mean, you can. >> You can if you want. I could I'll do
02:12:30
that. I think they're going to fix the camera. >> Whoa. >> They're not going to make it good, but
02:12:34
they're going to make it not trash. >> Okay. >> They should partner with like a really
02:12:37
good camera company >> like Hasselblad. >> Oops. >> RIP. Whoops.
02:12:43
>> Yeah, >> they already got rid of that. >> Yep. >> OnePlus 18.
02:12:47
>> 16. >> 16. >> You guys want to make predictions on phone of the year?
02:12:50
>> I'm going iPhone Fold. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay. >> You guys need first generation folds for
02:12:55
>> It's going to be $2,000. I think it's going to be hard to give because we now
02:12:59
know like what a good fold is kind of supposed to be because other >> you know you know what could win the
02:13:06
trifold. It's not going to happen but if the iPhone air adds a silicon carbon
02:13:11
battery and a second camera >> I think it'll add the second camera. >> Dude, if it had the silicon carbon
02:13:16
battery that >> it's not going to do it but that would be pretty nice.
02:13:18
>> It would be. >> You would lose two points on this. >> That's too much innovation in one year.
02:13:23
Yeah. >> Takes time. >> They have to keep selling stuff. I do think the next regular generation iPhone
02:13:29
or maybe the Pro 2 is going to be a absolute banger. >> I think with everything going into the
02:13:35
the Fold now the Air, I think they're going to do a pretty big >> What do you think?
02:13:40
>> This year was already >> Yeah, I was going to say the reason you think they're going to do it
02:13:43
>> one >> Mhm. >> 2x it next year. >> The reason it won this year was because
02:13:47
it was so much better than last year. That's the reason it won. >> Yeah, they finally did the things. So, I
02:13:52
don't think it's going to win twice. >> That's a good point. Yeah. Well, then
02:13:55
the Ver 2. >> It's the most expensive one. >> No, it's the cheapest. Try and buy an
02:14:02
personal assist 24/7 assistant as long as they're not sleeping. >> Technically,
02:14:06
>> for $5,000. >> The Books Palmer. >> The Books Palma Pro 2. >> Cool. Next one.
02:14:12
>> Three. >> What do you think Google is going to add to its graveyard this year?
02:14:19
>> They're going to add something. There's no question that they're going to kill
02:14:22
something. What are they going to kill? They're going to kill >> AI overview. Kill AI overview.
02:14:30
>> Have they officially killed Google Assistant yet? >> That's a really good
02:14:34
>> I would say yes. >> My Google Assistant is acting like it's on its deathbed.
02:14:38
>> Well, do you have a Google Home? >> Yeah, that thing. >> Has it switched to Gemini yet?
02:14:42
>> No, but it is >> all of mine have >> hurting. >> So, my Google Home app is updated and
02:14:46
all of my Google Homes have switched to the new Gemini Assistant. So, Gemini. So
02:14:51
now I think it's time for them to fully officially sunset Google Assist. >> I think that's a really good pick.
02:14:56
>> I think it's probably already officially sunset. >> I don't think it is quite yet. Um,
02:15:00
>> let me just Google >> killed by Google. Google is Can we talk about real quick? Now I'm pissed cuz I
02:15:05
said AI assistant. Can we talk about how at lunch today we all spent time just trying to Google stuff and it took us 10
02:15:13
minutes to Google a basic fact because everyone's AI overview kept spitting out
02:15:17
a different thing and we kept being like, "Oh, I don't know if that's right.
02:15:20
My AI overview says 79. My overview says 45." Even though we're all googling the
02:15:25
same thing, I hate this feature so much. >> Can I I forgot to say this before, but
02:15:30
Ellis, you specifically will like this. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So over the break, I was trying to
02:15:35
do something in notion. So I thought, it's notion. Let me use the notion AI chat cuz it's just something I can't
02:15:42
figure out how to do. So anyways, half an hour of this thing just gaslighting me into like these are the buttons to
02:15:50
press. This is what you need to do. This is the menu you need to go to. This is the database. Every time it told me to
02:15:55
do something was not a thing that existed. And then I just give up. And I said, "So this is the first conversation
02:16:03
we've had and it resulted in no help. So if I've tried Notion AI one time and
02:16:07
it's given me zero helpful results, what would the baseball batting percentage be
02:16:10
of your helpfulness?" I said, "If you're defining helpful as got the results you
02:16:14
wanted, then zero helpful results out of one attempt. Baseball batting average equals hits divided by at bats equals 0
02:16:21
divided 1, which equals 0.00 which is 0%." And I said, "Do you think this
02:16:26
belongs in the big leagues >> by zero?" And it said, "Not based on
02:16:30
what just happened." And I said, "Enjoy the miners, pal." And it said, "Fair
02:16:35
rested." >> In the car this morning, David and I were just talking about how like we're
02:16:39
all going to feel so silly in like 10 years. When we look back and think, "Wow, we really thought they were going
02:16:47
to be able to do everything." Like everything from like cook a meatball parmesan to to invent a cancer drug.
02:16:55
>> This is This specifically made me mad. And I tried a Google AI in Google Docs
02:17:00
also. Those are like you are the AI based on the product that I'm using. I feel like you should be able to tell me
02:17:06
the things the product can do. >> No. >> Nope. >> No. So sorry.
02:17:11
>> I'm glad they kill notebook LM. >> Oh, really? >> And they kill
02:17:16
>> they put a dedicated app out for it last year. >> That's the end of that.
02:17:19
>> No, think about how much revenue Notebook LM generates in the form of >> podcast. No, insane amounts of data that
02:17:28
people are just handing over to Google if people actually use it. The way >> Oh, that's a good
02:17:32
>> The way that Notebook LM people on Reddit talk about it is like I uploaded
02:17:37
like my entire iOS notes app that's been there for 10 years. Oh, I uploaded like
02:17:42
my entire 50,000 email inbox. Like like people are uploading crazy swats of their data to notebook LM.
02:17:50
>> Do you know how OpenAI was getting in trouble for they like uploaded all those
02:17:54
books? >> Yeah. Is notebook LM just the way to get all the users to upload all the
02:17:59
copyrighted materials so that they can just listen to it as a podcast and then >> that also is not cuz that yeah wow
02:18:06
>> like people are doing it for like textbooks and lectures and stuff like
02:18:09
that. Is that just like hey feed me? >> I mean I I don't know exactly what
02:18:14
Google lets themselves train on and what they don't but it would be my guess that
02:18:18
notebook LM is like amazingly valuable for them. 28 minutes ago, OpenAI launches chat GPT health, encouraging
02:18:25
users to connect their medical records. >> I wasn't supposed to be giving my
02:18:31
medical records to the original Cap GPT. >> Oh no. >> Um, >> waveform after dark.
02:18:40
>> I think they're going to kill Project Starline. That's >> that would be really sad
02:18:45
>> because we kept it alive for one more year with our video >> and I think Google's now like yeah and
02:18:52
never mind. >> I'm worried anything I say Google will be like >> we meant to kill that like two years ago
02:18:57
and now I remember. >> All right, we've been paying actually goes down.
02:19:02
>> No, I'm sticking I'm sticking with Google Assistant. It's also crazy if you
02:19:06
look at killedbygoogle.com however long you think that list is, it's so much
02:19:09
longer. >> 299 products. >> What's the most recent one? Dark boards.
02:19:15
>> Yeah. >> Jam board. Chrome. Oh, chcast is dead. Holy cow. >> Yeah, they also Netflix killed the
02:19:21
chcast. Uh, this happened over the holiday break. You can no longer cast uh to Netflix anymore.
02:19:28
>> Damn. >> Yeah. Anyway, uh yeah, I'm going to say I'm going to say Starland. Project
02:19:33
Starland. >> I want to guess like something like a YouTube feature. >> YouTube.
02:19:39
>> Just what if it out. >> They're going to kill YouTube search.
02:19:46
>> Please kill YouTube shorts. >> Part of me thinks they're going to kill
02:19:50
like Oh. Oh, the the hype thing that that'll end that's going. >> Yeah, YouTube by the end of the year.
02:19:57
>> I don't think they're going to keep voice comments around. I think they'll
02:20:00
be funny for like a few months and then they're >> a test. That's a really good one. Yeah.
02:20:04
>> Yeah. I like the idea. I like the idea of at at lunch Eric was talking about
02:20:10
just leaving comments on the bottom of videos that's just screaming. So it's
02:20:14
just like a funny video. >> Nice. >> All right. One and two more. >> Two more.
02:20:19
>> Let's do two more. >> All right. >> Will there be a black pro iPhone this
02:20:23
year? >> Black? >> Absolutely. Yes. >> There has to be. I think so.
02:20:28
>> There has to be a black a black. >> Are you pleading or are you making a
02:20:32
prediction? >> Both. What if they call it like space dark matter? But it's still not black.
02:20:38
>> It's whatever we consider black. >> I think I think we give it to Tim and if
02:20:42
Tim says it's black. >> Well, like space gray is the black phone, you know, like dark neutral. Dark
02:20:48
neutral. >> I think Marquez's can I shoot a reflective surface with this and see the
02:20:53
phone is like the >> I don't mean like the piano black. >> I mean the blue one.
02:20:58
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. Cuz the blue one's the blue. That's midnight blue. It's a blue phone.
02:21:01
It's blue. >> Like space gray. It's black. Whatever. You know, >> like are we getting another one of
02:21:06
those? >> Space gray is not black. >> Space gray is not black. But I would I
02:21:09
would consider that a success. >> Yeah. >> You know, >> it's 18% gray.
02:21:14
>> You think this is You think that's black? >> Yeah. >> That's black because it's not
02:21:20
>> I don't agree with it's not reflecting any color. >> I'm not talking about 50 Shades of Gray
02:21:23
here. I'm saying is there color or not? >> Well, wait. So, is white black?
02:21:30
I'm going to say they will have a black phone >> because it seems to me that
02:21:36
>> he's saying pro pro. Yeah, >> cuz it seems to me that every the Tik
02:21:41
Tok cycle for them is like new phone, fun, color, like kind of colorful, interesting, and then the next year
02:21:49
they're like hardcore scary, and then they go back into the fun, interesting,
02:21:52
and then hardcore scary. And they kind of do that. >> So, I'm going to say yes. I also think
02:21:56
they made a whole bunch of changes with the new Pro iPhone this year visually. This is my very scientific analysis.
02:22:02
Next year, they're not going to redesign the Pro iPhone, but they still want you
02:22:06
to have a way to be able to tell that you're holding the new iPhone. So, it will not come in orange or it will at
02:22:12
least come in some new colors that you can hold up and be like, "This is the
02:22:15
new Pro iPhone." And black is one of them. >> There we go. Black. >> So, there was a black titanium iPhone,
02:22:23
right? >> Yeah. >> 15. >> Yeah. 15. >> I think it needs like I don't know. Some
02:22:28
of those space grays are just not black to me where this is black. >> Okay. Space gray. Whatever.
02:22:32
>> Okay. Space gray. >> Yeah. Black doesn't count. >> Yeah. Some dark neutral.
02:22:36
>> Yes. We're getting one. >> I'm saying it. >> It's happening.
02:22:38
>> Okay. >> I'm still going to say no. Midnight doesn't count.
02:22:41
>> No, it's blue. >> No, because it's midnight blue. And when
02:22:44
you look at it, that's like a dark blue foam. You know, it bothers me. >> I think midnight's been the closest to
02:22:48
black. I don't know why. >> It's definitely been the closest. The barometer is bother
02:22:52
me. >> Cuz if it's blue, I don't want it. All right. Yeah. >> All right. Last one. Yeah. Last one.
02:22:59
>> Make it the hardest one. Will we hit a million subscribers? I wish. >> Come on, guys.
02:23:04
>> Oh, thanks for 500,000. >> Oh, yeah. >> We wanted to do it by end end of the
02:23:09
year. >> Squeaked it in. >> No longer hype us. >> Can I That's why it'll die. That's why
02:23:14
my prediction is going to be correct. >> Yeah, we're unhypable now. >> I have a bunch of more predictions about
02:23:20
iPhone colors. I think the Pro Folding iPhone is only going to be black or white. M
02:23:24
>> I think the colors will change for the new base iPhone and they will get rid of
02:23:28
the fun green we all like. >> I think there's going to be a dark neutral pro iPhone color. I think the
02:23:33
Air is going to come in a new color. They're going to add a color for the second Air.
02:23:37
>> Are they going to add the >> I think they're going to bring back the
02:23:38
teal maybe from the from the 16. >> That'd be nice. There's a couple older
02:23:43
colors that were >> universally liked that they could bring back. The 12 series purple and the 16
02:23:49
series teal are just >> 12 series blue as well or pro blue. >> Can I make a bold prediction for air
02:23:55
color? >> Yeah, >> rose gold. >> Oh, I like it. >> It makes so much sense on the air.
02:24:01
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. Fold. >> I think fold's going to be one color.
02:24:05
>> Black. >> You think it's going to be black? >> Yeah, it's either just black space.
02:24:10
Maybe blackas space gray. >> Yeah, >> I think it's going to be one color. I
02:24:14
had the white and gold iPhone 4S. That was my first phone >> and I got it and I thought it was so
02:24:23
funny >> to have a gold phone that I just started buying everything in my life in gold.
02:24:28
>> And it culminate I just thought it was hilarious. It culminated with my
02:24:31
freshman year like dorm sheets and bed being gold. >> Wo. >> I just thought I just thought it was so
02:24:40
funny to be like the gold guy. >> That's crazy. I don't know why that's so
02:24:43
funny. >> It's really funny, right? It's like really fussy. >> It's really tacky.
02:24:49
>> Uh, the Rivian R2 is supposed to come out in 2026. It is. >> Do you think it's going to come out?
02:24:54
>> I do. I think it will come out in 2026. >> For the sake of my reservation, I
02:24:59
believe >> you an R2, not an R3. >> An R2. Yeah. >> Yeah. I think R2 will get more orders
02:25:04
than R3. >> Really? Yeah. More popular category. >> Agree. >> But the R3 is so cool looking. R3 is
02:25:11
supposed to be cheaper and supposed to be way more fun, but the R2 as a category is just higher volume.
02:25:16
>> But the R3X will be the best one. >> It will be the best one. >> Yep.
02:25:19
>> Looks like a Subuoo. >> Okay. >> All right. >> Yeah, that was it. I
02:25:24
>> think we did it. >> That was it. We did it. Zero points on trivia.
02:25:28
>> Wait, wait, wait, wait. We need the marker. I have one. You have one. I have
02:25:32
one. >> I might just need to share. >> Pad phone or phone pad? I'm thinking so
02:25:35
hard. >> Pad tie, >> guys. Which >> hats to you? >> Which one is a fabt? Which one
02:25:42
specifically is an 8 in fabt? >> Which is a phone? >> Which one is an 8 in a phone?
02:25:47
>> Fablet does not have a dock, no keyboard, just a straight fabt. The phone pad
02:25:54
>> or the pad phone. >> And remember, >> no, no, don't say that part. I think I
02:25:59
got this right. >> I think I know what you're going to say. >> You don't know what I'm going to say.
02:26:03
>> Okay. >> Phone. No, that's what I was going to say. >> Phone in both of these cases is not
02:26:10
spelled with the same. >> That's exactly what I was going to say. And I was ready to make fun of both of
02:26:14
them for it. >> No, you >> Ellis, we are on the same plane. We have worked together for so long. Believe in
02:26:22
me. >> I DIDN'T KNOW. I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO SAY LIKE I KNOW HE JUST ERASED IT,
02:26:26
TOO. >> Definitely did. >> And he has it still. >> Wait, was I supposed to switch him? I
02:26:32
mean, I don't think it's going to care anymore, but >> Marquez, >> I had my technicality.
02:26:37
>> I wrote phone pad. >> Phone pad is correct. >> God, you got the
02:26:43
>> You know, we had on the bingo that Ellis accidentally says the answer out loud
02:26:46
before the before the question. Is that >> That is huge. >> The phone pad is a fabt. That also,
02:26:53
guys, we didn't acknowledge it. A 6-in fabt is hilarious, right? >> Wow. Like
02:26:58
>> I thought you said oh >> it came in six >> or eight. >> Eight
02:27:04
>> inches. >> Eight is crazy. >> With a number in between that, you know,
02:27:07
I should It comes in. >> So it's phone pad >> phone >> with an F with an F.
02:27:12
>> With an F. So Marquez changed his. >> I could have at least had all of us at
02:27:16
zero points, but you >> not zero. We didn't finish the last season. >> Well, for this round.
02:27:20
>> It's just been so long since I gotten points. Really good. >> Can I break in here? What did David and
02:27:26
Andrew put? Pad phone. >> He put the same thing as I did. Yeah. >> Oh, yeah.
02:27:31
>> Okay. So, you both got it wrong. >> Yes. >> Cool. >> I remember.
02:27:34
>> So, then quick update on the score after that correct answer. Marquez with 11.
02:27:39
Woo. Andrew with 14 and David also with 11. Look at that. >> It means so much to me that I got a
02:27:46
point that you guys >> I want to take it away. >> 11 club. 11 club. >> You're the one, baby.
02:27:52
>> 11. >> 111. Make a wish. I bet you wish for 14 points. There's two points up for grabs. I could
02:27:58
get really close here. Wow. I'm not going to I'm not going to. I just got
02:28:03
someone called the ambulance. >> All right. Um >> after that thirdderee burn.
02:28:07
>> Wait, hold on. Why would the pad phone not be a phone? >> That is unreasonable.
02:28:13
>> Just think about how you would name a product. If you were making a tablet,
02:28:16
you'd end it with pad. And if you were making a phone, you'd end it with phone.
02:28:20
>> Yeah. >> So the phone pad is the tablet. >> Yeah. >> The big big screen. And the pad phone is
02:28:26
a phone that plugged into a thing to become. >> Didn't I say pad phone?
02:28:30
>> No, you said phone pad. >> No, phone pad is the correct answer. >> No. Yeah, you said pad phone.
02:28:33
>> I said pad. >> You said pad phone, right? >> Cuz think about it. It's like It's like
02:28:37
It's like I wanted >> The whole explanation proved us right. >> I'm getting it.
02:28:41
>> You got it right. Wait a second. >> But yeah, the question was everything I
02:28:45
said but the other way. >> Wait, if you're patting the phone, who's
02:28:49
driving the car? >> This is something that only Pegatron would do. >> That's true. So true, bestie. Okay, we
02:28:56
spoke about Lego. The most expensive set that you can currently buy on the website at time of recording is what?
02:29:03
And also, how much is that thing? Two points potentially up to up for grabs. >> Uh, we didn't use the the trivia
02:29:10
question Mariah gave us over the break. >> Oh, that is a good one. Okay, maybe we
02:29:16
can do a >> third. You can get one right and one wrong, right? >> Yes.
02:29:20
>> Yeah, I I got it. fact checking. >> Are we doing closes without going over?
02:29:24
>> Yeah, closes without going over. >> Okay, >> prices right? Hopefully. Hopefully.
02:29:31
>> Flip them and read. What do you got? >> Oh, interesting. >> Okay, who wants to go first?
02:29:38
>> I'll start. I want the cheapest. I said it's a the Death Star >> and I said that.
02:29:43
>> Correct. >> Oh, sweet. >> It's the Death Star. Wow. >> And I thought it was 5.99. 59. Sorry.
02:29:49
549. I wrote 549. >> 549. Yeah. >> I can't see the board. Can I got
02:29:52
confirmation on that? >> Yes. >> All right. >> It's Vegas. It's a bad
02:29:57
>> I'm still take five. >> Okay. Andrew, what' you say? >> I wrote $7.99.
02:30:03
>> Okay. >> And I wrote Hogwarts Castle. >> Oh, no. Unfortunately. Okay.
02:30:07
>> I said $9.99. >> $9.99. >> And I said Imperial Star Destroyer,
02:30:11
which used to be the most expensive set when I was a kid, but I should have assumed it was not.
02:30:15
>> Well, you still get one point for $9.99. That is exactly the price. Go. It was
02:30:20
$9.99 and it is a Death Star. >> I was so scared of go the one I was talking about at that point.
02:30:26
>> There's some new uh not a new Lord of the Rings battle, but the What battle is
02:30:31
that? >> The Battle of Mogs Deep. >> Is it? >> I don't remember.
02:30:36
>> It's whatever the one they do in that like big castle. Not castle. It's like
02:30:41
the the walls that they go up all the white walls. >> You watch Lord of the Rings?
02:30:45
>> Isn't there like a of these Lord of the Rings? There's only three. There's
02:30:48
three, but there's like extended cuts that it's like 2,800 hours or something.
02:30:54
>> Did it say how much? How much was this, Ellis? Battle of Manas Territh.
02:30:58
>> What the heck is that? >> Bless you. >> You would know it. >> How would this not cost more than this
02:31:05
Death Star? >> How many minifigures? >> How does the the Lego set of this
02:31:10
>> There's a Lego set of >> I think not have people. >> How many minigures does that come with?
02:31:15
>> The price I saw is from a leak, actually. >> Oh, okay. So, it's not I we don't know.
02:31:20
But, uh yeah. >> Should we do the bonus question? Do you want >> Yeah. Yeah.
02:31:23
>> Okay. >> I want it. >> What the >> This has This actually How do we How
02:31:28
should I >> Let me think about what it was. >> It is. All the All the Lego Star Wars
02:31:33
ones have like really cool interiors that you can do. >> I've got it. I've got it.
02:31:37
>> Alligator. >> We weren't originally going to ask this question this week. Uh, but it actually
02:31:42
does pertain cuz we've mentioned a lot of companies on this episode. >> Sure has
02:31:48
>> today. A lot of businesses. >> Seattle Ultrasonics. >> Call me.
02:31:52
>> The Seattle Ultrasonic Ultrasonic Knife. >> That's it. You It's the Seattle
02:31:56
Ultrasonics. >> You win. >> Is that their football team? >> No.
02:32:00
>> Uh, the Supersonics is the now defunct NBA team that no longer plays there.
02:32:04
>> Killed by Google. >> Yeah. Um, but one of the companies we mentioned this week on the podcast is
02:32:12
the world's largest tire producer by volume. They make more tires than any other company on the planet.
02:32:21
>> We've talked about this. >> What company? >> Oh, is it?
02:32:25
>> I gave it away. Damn it. I wanted to gain on Andrew. That would have been
02:32:28
really funny. >> I don't know enough about cars. >> It's actually better.
02:32:34
>> Really? Maybe. >> Oh, then then I'm wrong. >> Then I'm wrong.
02:32:40
>> Marquez is giving nothing away. >> It's >> Yeah. >> I mean, there were a lot of Apple car
02:32:44
prototypes. >> That's true. >> Samsung used to have a car. >> I'm so sorry, David. You're going to be
02:32:50
so mad when you see the answer to this. >> Is it Google? No. It's your boy Lego.
02:32:58
>> Nope. >> That's got to be. >> It's Seattle Ultra. Just kidding.
02:33:02
>> Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. >> It is Lego. Wait, wait, wait, wait,
02:33:04
wait, wait, wait, wait. >> It's Lego. >> That can't be considered a real tire.
02:33:09
>> It's a Yeah, it's a tire. It's a tire and a wheel. This is cuz we were having
02:33:12
this conversation. Do you think there's more doors? >> I was literally about to bring that up.
02:33:16
>> More wheels and that's a huge factor. >> We are like 3 hours of recording and
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you're bringing up the doors versus wheel argument. We need to get out of that.
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>> I thought this was going to be a hard one to fact check, but >> it's not even close. They It's like
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literally not even close how many more tires they produce. >> Are they really considered tires?
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>> They're made of rubber. >> Yeah. Do they have air in them? No.
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Well, a little bit. >> There's airless tires. >> Not They're not pressurized, but they
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have air in them. >> The The airless basketball is still a basketball. >> Yeah. No, there's a lot of wheels.
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>> Boneless. Actually, I'm not going to go. >> Boneless chicken wings. How do they get
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the bones out of the chicken? >> They suck it out. >> You don't want to know.
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>> That's a perfect place to end this. >> Actually, the machine they use is made
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by Seattle Ultrasonics. It it like vibrates the bones out of the out of the meat.
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>> It's a good thing we don't take two weeks off every every two weeks cuz we
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would have way too much to talk about. But hey, thanks for sticking with us this week. Thanks for watching. Thanks
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for listening. Thanks for subscribing and getting us past 500K. It's onward to
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a million. This is the year we do it. Catch you guys on the other side. >> Peace.
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Network and Entra Music was created by Vain Sil. >> Bingo. Let's go. All
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right. >> How long is that? 45 minutes. >> 57. >> Was it actually?
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>> Yeah. >> That was the episode. >> You know what's crazy? I deleted like
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60% of the stuff I learned about pickle.