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That's right.
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>> No tripping this year. What's going on?
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>> All right. What's going on, people? Stop
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by the Southwest. Good morning.
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Okay. Yeah. Nice. Nice energy. All
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right. So, uh, we are we are here to
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have our second ever live recording of
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our podcast, the Waveform podcast. Uh,
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some of you may already know us. To
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those of you who have seen us before,
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hi. If you don't already know us, the
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Waveform Podcast is a tech chat show
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about the stories of the week, about
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YouTube, about gadgets, and sort of
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anything in between. Uh, we're your
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hosts. I'm Marquez.
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>> I'm Andrew.
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>> And I'm David. And uh before we jump in,
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I actually want to ask two things of you
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guys. We got about an hour up here today
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with you and we want to make this a fun
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interactive type of podcast instead of
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just a normal episode of us chatting
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with each other. Um so we have an uh
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Ellis and Adam are actually Where are
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they? They're in here somewhere. Yeah,
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they're over here.
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>> Uh at the end of the show or somewhere
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in the middle, they're going to roam
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around with microphones and ask for
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questions from you guys. So, start
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thinking now about what sorts of
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questions you want to ask us about tech
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or YouTube or being a creator or gadgets
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or anything that's in the news. And the
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other thing is I'm giving you guys
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permission right now to take out your
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phones and open up your web browser and
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go to waveformservey.com
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and answer those couple of questions
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real quick. And what we're going to do
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is at the end we're going to have some
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trivia questions where we try to figure
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out what you guys said on that survey.
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So, I'll give you guys 15 20 seconds
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right now to open up waveforms
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survey.com
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and answer those quick questions. You
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don't even have to think about the
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answers. Just blitz through them. What
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you think is the I think one of them is
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who has the best fashion. Uh it's kind
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of just all across the board, but we're
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going to try to answer those at the end.
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So, waveform survey.com. Uh and then
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yeah, we can just sort of jump right in.
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What do you guys want to start with?
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>> Yeah, I have a couple things we can
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start with real quick before we get to
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there. I think um you know we always
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joke about how things come out on
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Thursday.
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>> Yeah.
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>> So being a Friday today as we're
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recording we do get to talk about one
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thing which is the Rivian R2 prices and
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timelines got announced which is kind of
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fun because if anyone's here Rivian is
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also here. I think they're
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>> a very large.
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>> Um so you can go check out the R2 stuff
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later if you want. But um I figured we'd
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go over prices and
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uh trims and most importantly when
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they're projected to be released.
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>> Can I just set the stage for why we're
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getting the prices now? So I I've
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already tested and reviewed the R2 which
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I think is probably their it's arguably
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their most important vehicle. Right as
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we were testing it, we all knew uh
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>> how long ago did you test it?
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>> This was probably 3 weeks 3 4 weeks ago.
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>> Okay. and we're all testing it and
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everyone sort of knows Riven R2 is their
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lowerriced version of an SUV. It's their
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Model Y fighter and everyone knows that
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the starting price is going to be
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$45,000. But we also all know that tech
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companies do this thing where they give
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reviewers the highest spec trim best
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possible version of the thing. This is
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in phones, computers, everything.
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>> iPhone 17e with a $900 price 16
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>> with the most storage. So, we all know
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we're driving the dual motor performance
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nice trim interior and we had a great
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time. It was a super capable vehicle,
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but we know we're not driving the
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$45,000 version. So, now we're finding
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out how much did the version that I
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tested cost and when's the $45,000
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version coming.
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>> Mhm.
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>> So, why don't you give that to us?
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>> Yeah, I've got kind of everything here.
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Uh, so we're going to have R2 standard,
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R2 Premium, and R2 Performance. um
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performance is there's also like a
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launch edition performance I believe
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right
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>> that's what we were driving
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>> okay so R2 performance is going to be
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starting at 579 so just under 60 which
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we all kind of expected and that is uh
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330 mi of range 3.6 6 seconds 0 to 60
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656 horsepower and most importantly
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spring 2026 so no surprise most
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expensive coming out the quickest.
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>> We're in Austin, Texas right now. I see
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Rivian all the time out here. I feel
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like anytime I'm here or anytime I'm in
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like Southern California. I see a lot of
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Rivians and they're the R1's. They're
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the $100,000 trucks and SUVs. This being
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half the price or $50 to $60,000
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is obviously much more attainable. Quick
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show of hands. Is anybody thinking about
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getting a Rivian R2? Is that Yeah,
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there's a couple hands coming up. Right.
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So, this is this is a an exciting
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vehicle to be coming out. I thought it
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was really really capable. I'm curious
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what you guys think now that you've
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seen, you know, the videos and how well
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it seems to drive.
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>> I mean, I've been excited for this for a
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long time. I've always liked the Rivian
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stuff. Um, and obviously a more
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affordable version is really cool. under
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60. They actually seem like because they
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promised under 60 two years ago
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>> at least
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>> and they're a lot of things have changed
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in the last two years. So I'm not
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surprised or I am surprised they kept
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the pricing there. Um kind of stinks the
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most expensive is coming out first. Um
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but R2 Premium is going to be $539. So
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like 54 that's coming out late 2026. And
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then R2 Standard is the $48,000 one that
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is uh just says 2027. And let's let's be
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real. We all know it's always as far
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away as possible in that time zone. So,
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spring 2026 will probably be what's the
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last day of June 21st. June 20th. Um,
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>> so it's cool that it's coming out. I
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mean, I'm excited to start seeing them.
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I think R2 Standard is going to be the
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more the most exciting thing. Just the
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absolute
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>> I'm just going to black out till R3
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comes out.
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>> I just want I just want the Subaru car,
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man.
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>> It looks like a Subaru,
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>> but R3 a lot a lot of people forgot
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about the R3. The R3 looks nice and it's
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supposed to be cheaper than R2. Marquez,
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>> R3 has been living rentree in your head
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for
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>> Well, if you don't think R2 standard is
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going to come out till 2027 and let's
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assume end of 2027. Do you think they
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need at least a buffer year after that?
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So, are we thinking 2029 is the earliest
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we might see an R3?
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>> I have I don't want to think about
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timelines for R3. I think and I think
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you're right. It'll probably be as late
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as possible. This is also the Tesla
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blueprint. Like when Model 3 and Model Y
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came out, they did the same thing. They
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were like, "Let's launch the highest
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margin, most premium, best trim version
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first, sell as many as we can there, and
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work our way down and eventually sell a
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base rear wheel drive, cheapest possible
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model. That will be the most attainable
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and possibly one of the highest volume
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trims, but I'm not expecting to see that
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or R3 anytime soon
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>> before 2030."
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>> Before 2030, I think
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>> both of them.
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>> 29. 29.
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>> Yeah. But uh I I do think like Model Y
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performance when it launched recently
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that was like 62,000. And this Rivian R2
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performance, which is equally as
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exciting, maybe even more so. I think
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looks better. I also think has a little
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bit more character, uh is 58. So
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>> sell a lot of these.
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>> That's pretty good.
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>> I mean, the most important thing here is
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that they are matching up with Model Y
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prices, if not a little cheaper and
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better range as well with them.
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>> Slightly better range. But I have a
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take. Worst colors.
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>> The worst colors. Can you tell us about
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the colors? My problem with the colors
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is everything online looks super muted.
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Have you seen them yet?
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>> I've seen them. They are muted.
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>> I wish we could throw pictures of all
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the colors behind us, but the colors are
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light gray, dark gray, black, white,
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>> dark green,
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>> greenish gray,
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>> olive green, both kind of gray,
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>> and then the dark blue and then a light
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slightly less dark blue.
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>> It's like gray blue and purple.
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>> Purple. So they there's no Rivian red. I
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love the Rivian red. There's no Rivian
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yellow. So this it's new colors for the
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R2. I think the R1 has much more bold,
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poppy colors. I I'm curious why. I feel
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like Apple does the opposite. The
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cheaper stuff the same thing that the
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phone companies do.
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>> Well, the phone companies give the
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cheaper stuff the poppier colors.
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>> That's true.
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>> And now we're getting the cheaper stuff
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gets the
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>> colors. How many shades of gray do you
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think they offer?
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>> Not as many as you were hoping to make
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the joke, but
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>> not even close.
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It's possible one day. Okay.
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>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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>> No, I think the my problem with the
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colors is it's always yellow accents, so
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I want more and the like darker deeper
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blue looks better with the yellow. The
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deeper green looks better with the
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yellow. I liked the fun colors of R1
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platform.
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>> Yeah,
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>> these the slate blue is kind of nice.
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What did the purple look like in person?
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Did you see it?
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>> It's a deep purple. Uh
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>> your shirt.
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>> How your shirt?
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>> My shirt's way brighter than the purple.
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I was going to say Barney. Barney is
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brighter than this purple. It was more
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plum.
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>> Plum.
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>> Even darker than that.
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>> Have you ever had a plum before?
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>> That's amazing. Deep cut. Deep cut.
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>> Uh so yeah, that I'm, you know, I'm
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moderately excited about these. I think
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they're going to sell well. We're going
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to start seeing them in a lot more
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places than just, you know, the places
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we
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>> just South by Southwest.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Yeah.
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>> I'm excited. I have a reservation. I
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don't know if I'll pull the trigger
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right away. I might wait for the middle
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one.
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>> We got some people at the studio who are
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very eager to pull the trigger
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>> cuz you guys all live in New Jersey.
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>> Yeah. I can't have a garage. I'm in New
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York City.
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>> I can't charge anything anywhere.
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>> There's like there's like two chargers
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in New York and uh they're very far away
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and very expensive.
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>> You can always come to Jersey and have a
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garage and charge stuff.
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>> Then I'd have to have a family. That's a
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whole thing.
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>> That's a whole thing.
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>> That's down the road.
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>> Um All right. I have one other thing I
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thought we could kind of do that's fun
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before we start getting into Q&A, which
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is we make a joke at the office all the
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time that tech moves so fast that us
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covering tech are horrible with
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timelines. Uh there's so many times we
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write or talk on the podcast or are just
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talking in general where somebody will
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say, "Oh yeah, remember the humane AI
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pin? That was like five years ago,
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right?" And it's like, "No, man. That
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was like eight months ago." Um, and
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since this is only our second time on a
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stage is at Southby one year later, I
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rewatched, first of all, show of hands.
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Was anyone here last year?
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>> That's awesome. I'm really excited
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there's somebody here. So, this might be
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fun cuz um I took all of the a lot of
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the things we answered and takes that we
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had on current stories and things have
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changed quite a bit. So, I figured we'd
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kind of do a quick run through those.
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>> This is takes from last year.
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>> This is takes from last year or news
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things that were happening last year. So
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the first thing we talked about actually
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was Apple intelligence.
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>> I think the day before we got on stage
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was Apple officially delaying Apple
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intelligence which is a very
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>> which time
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>> I think it was the first official time.
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>> Okay.
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>> So we were post launching 16e or sorry
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16 built from the ground up for Apple
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intelligence
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>> with all the ads. Yeah.
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>> That didn't come out. Then this was
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after they deleted all the ads that said
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it was for Apple Intelligence and then
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they delayed it and I do believe they
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said still coming out 2025.
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>> Wow.
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>> 2026
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>> and now Google's making it.
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>> If anyone's Yeah. If anyone's following
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along, Apple Intelligence, I guess when
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we say Apple Intelligence, we mean uh
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>> Siri, the improvement based Siri.
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>> Yeah. Because Apple Intelligence has
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been rolling out in stages and a lot of
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the early stages that have rolled out
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have been some of the least exciting
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notification summaries,
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the emojis that are a like the small the
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image playground stuff. That's the stuff
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that they have rolled out. We've all
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been waiting for the better Siri aka the
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assistant that can take actions for you.
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There's a whole ton of things happening
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you guys will hear about all week about
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AI and agentic AI. People, you know,
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asking apps to be, you know, built from
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the ground up on their phone from a
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simple query. And meanwhile, Siri is
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like kind of not good at all hanging
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out.
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>> So, we're all we're all hoping for Siri
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to get good, but uh we're still waiting
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for it.
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>> Everyone on the stage said definitely
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out by the end of 2025.
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>> How wrong we were.
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>> We were Do you know what you said
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specifically, Marquez?
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>> No.
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>> So, Siri, like we're all saying Siri's
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big thing was that it can uh you know,
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you can speak to it. It can work inside
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of your apps on your phone.
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>> Yes.
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>> Your response to that was Bixby used to
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be able to do that. So, if Samsung can
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make Bixby work inside your app, how
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could Apple not do it by the end of the
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year?
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>> Yeah. Well, that was at the time one of
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the more exciting things that we were
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hoping it would do, which was I want to
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ask, and this was something Bixby did.
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We would ask it for it to reach into an
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app and perform an action for us. This
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is called agentic.
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>> That was like 2018.
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>> Yeah. 2018, 2019.
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>> Uh that was one of the most interesting
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things that Bixby could do. And I was
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like, well, surely Siri also.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Yeah. Uh here we are.
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>> Apple kind of shot themselves in the
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foot with the privacy angle though. They
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don't have any of that data. They can't
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just, you know, make
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>> everything. Yeah. So, but if you weren't
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following along, what they said before
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is in January, uh Apple announced that
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Google Gemini will now be essentially
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what's running Apple Intelligence. Uh
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so, we did get a step further,
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closer, but also further away from Apple
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creating it, I guess.
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>> Well, we don't really know yet. I think
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until it happens, we're not really sure
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when it's uh
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>> Yeah, it's going to happen. The thing we
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were wondering was will dubdub last year
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just reannounce it. I think they just
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glossed over it completely.
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>> Right. So 2024 WWDC Apple goes Apple
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intelligence is our new thing. It's
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going to be amazing. This is what AI has
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stood for the whole time. We swear
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>> they delay it. 2025 comes and goes and
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they sort of kind of reannounce Apple
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intelligence features and sort of
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reframe it and and give us that some of
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the stuff has come out and some of the
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stuff is still coming. WWDC this summer.
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They may do that again and reannounce
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Apple Intelligence and explain the
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things that are now out, which is a lot
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of it, but still that we're hoping to
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see this Siri thing soon. Maybe this
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year. Maybe they've learned their lesson
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to not make a promise on when that's
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coming out.
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>> They should just drop it when it's
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ready. Yeah, honestly.
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>> I agree.
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>> Every tech company should just drop
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things when they're ready. I think the
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world would be
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>> But then how would investors invest in
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them?
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>> How would they raise fake money? Yeah.
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Uh, next thing we talked about, and I'll
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go really fast on this, because uh, DIG
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relaunched or got announced last
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Southby.
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>> Oh, yeah.
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>> We thought it was going to be this cool
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thing of the uh, you know, the the old
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Arch Rivals because we had the founder
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of Dig and one of the co-founders of
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Reddit, Alexis O'Han, coming together to
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relaunch DIG. And, you know, I was
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really mad at Reddit last year because
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Steve Huffman totally ruined it. And I
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was really excited for Dig. And then
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when I was writing this, I was like,
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"Oh, yeah. What happened to DIG?" And uh
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it launched at some point, I think
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earlier this year, and I went to it. And
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the hardest part about trying to pretend
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you're doing well is when your whole
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website is based on votes and comments
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and activity is the minute you go to the
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front page of it, you can see how it's
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doing.
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>> I don't I saw very few posts that had
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more than 50 votes and like more than 10
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comments. So, it's basically just
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>> I don't know. Are there any DIG users?
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New Dig users in here.
00:15:02
>> I'd be shocked if I saw a hand. We got a
00:15:04
hand.
00:15:04
>> There was a hand.
00:15:06
>> We got one hand.
00:15:07
>> Okay. You'll have to tell me about it
00:15:08
later. Um cuz it didn't look like it was
00:15:11
doing great, but
00:15:13
>> the UI was kind of nice, I guess.
00:15:14
>> Okay.
00:15:16
>> Yeah. They haven't really advertised it
00:15:18
at all. I haven't seen any about it.
00:15:19
They did the big launch, but then it was
00:15:21
like $5 a month to use.
00:15:23
>> I don't think it was a month. I think it
00:15:24
was like just to The invite was $5 or
00:15:27
something like that. That's too much,
00:15:29
man.
00:15:30
>> You don't know how it's going to be.
00:15:31
>> When you don't know what's going It kind
00:15:33
of boils down to
00:15:34
>> there's no community.
00:15:35
>> That's the problem. It's community. And
00:15:37
we talk about all these different social
00:15:39
media platforms trying to take over
00:15:40
other social media platforms because
00:15:42
everyone keeps ruining social media
00:15:44
platforms. And the hardest part, no
00:15:46
matter how good your UI is, no matter
00:15:48
how good all the features are, is the
00:15:50
people.
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>> Yeah.
00:15:51
>> Yep.
00:15:53
>> Shout out to YouTube.
00:15:54
>> Shy.
00:15:56
All right, let's go through some of the
00:15:57
things we said in the question and
00:15:59
answer. Um, someone asked if Apple
00:16:01
launching a foldable is going to be what
00:16:03
brings folding phones to the mainstream.
00:16:05
Uh, we were all pretty convinced the
00:16:07
folding phone Apple would do is flip
00:16:09
style. So, clam shell, kind of like an
00:16:11
old folding phone.
00:16:12
>> We are all now seeing pretty strong
00:16:15
rumors about a passport style folding
00:16:18
phone from Apple coming out later this
00:16:20
year.
00:16:20
>> Yeah.
00:16:20
>> Um, one, do you think it's going to come
00:16:22
out later this year?
00:16:23
>> Yes. The rumors are now much more
00:16:26
confidently aligning for this year.
00:16:28
>> It's not a rumor.
00:16:29
>> Is there the there one in your pocket
00:16:30
right now?
00:16:30
>> It is technically a rumor. We don't know
00:16:33
for sure until it it gets announced. But
00:16:34
yeah, we're pretty sure it's now it's
00:16:36
like kind of like Pixel Fold one
00:16:38
>> or what was the first the OPPO find
00:16:41
style?
00:16:41
>> Yeah, the passport style. So, it opens
00:16:43
like a Galaxy Fold but is a little bit
00:16:45
more squat. So, it opens to a wide
00:16:47
screen. And I think that's going to be
00:16:49
it's going to make sense. What we're all
00:16:50
curious now to see is what's the unique
00:16:52
differentiating thing for Apple? Is it
00:16:55
an iPad-like OS when it's open? Is it a
00:16:58
really really impressively flat crease
00:17:01
and a like, you know, creaseless
00:17:03
display? Is it both? Is it the is it the
00:17:05
fact that they charge less than anybody
00:17:07
else? No. Uh is it any What's their
00:17:10
what's their angle going to be?
00:17:11
>> A new era with Apple right now. Okay.
00:17:13
>> I I have a sneaky feeling this is going
00:17:15
to live at the top of the iPhone lineup.
00:17:17
>> Yeah.
00:17:17
>> Safe bet.
00:17:18
>> Yeah. So although all our bets last year
00:17:20
were wrong. So
00:17:21
>> yeah. So yeah, I we expect to see it
00:17:23
this year. It'll be a
00:17:25
>> we could probably place bets on the
00:17:26
price, but it'll probably be a 2023
00:17:30
guess phone and we'll see what the angle
00:17:32
is.
00:17:32
>> It's okay. My uncle works at Apple. So
00:17:34
he told me
00:17:35
>> he told me he was 29.
00:17:37
>> Is this breaking news?
00:17:38
>> He's going to ban you from Apple. Um,
00:17:41
also talking about Apple, last year
00:17:43
somebody asked us if we ever thought
00:17:44
we'd see a touchscreen Mac or Mac
00:17:47
display, and all of us were extremely
00:17:48
confidently no. MacBook Ultra rumors are
00:17:52
out now. Touchscreen OLED dynamic island
00:17:54
later this year.
00:17:54
>> Did they just always use the word ultra
00:17:56
when they're like thinking that
00:17:58
something's going to come that's not
00:17:58
going to?
00:17:59
>> Did that part make it into pod?
00:18:00
>> I don't think it made it. And I think I
00:18:01
just need to say it.
00:18:02
>> Okay.
00:18:03
>> MacBook Ultra is not a good name.
00:18:04
>> Yeah.
00:18:05
>> Here's why. And it's not like it's okay.
00:18:08
Like ultra makes sense for like the
00:18:09
super high-end product. That makes
00:18:11
sense. But they also have chips called
00:18:13
Pro, Max, and Ultra. They do not put the
00:18:17
Ultra chips as of right now in the
00:18:19
laptops. That's in the desktop. So, if
00:18:21
you're going to name it MacBook Ultra,
00:18:23
but you don't put the Ultra chip in it,
00:18:26
that's a little confusing.
00:18:27
>> What about the watch?
00:18:29
>> Fair.
00:18:31
But I just think if there is an Ultra
00:18:33
chip available in the Mac lineup, the
00:18:35
MacBook Ultra should have it. That's my
00:18:37
number one confusion.
00:18:38
>> Mhm.
00:18:39
>> And then, but yeah, it's supposed to be
00:18:40
a touchcreen, which is all like I don't
00:18:42
really know what to make of that. I'm
00:18:44
assuming this is going to be paired with
00:18:46
the new redesign, the dynamic island,
00:18:48
the OLED display, all this fun stuff. I
00:18:51
saw a headline recently that it would be
00:18:53
thinner, which I'm a little bit nervous
00:18:55
about because you don't put an ultra
00:18:57
chip in a thinner body
00:18:58
>> because you still think an ultra chip's
00:18:59
going to go in.
00:19:00
>> I just Yeah, I don't think it'll have an
00:19:01
ultra chip. Anyway, I think they should
00:19:03
call it the studio. That's my take. But
00:19:06
uh yeah, we'll see. It's supposed to be
00:19:07
later this year and it's supposed to
00:19:08
have a touchcreen.
00:19:09
>> Yeah.
00:19:09
>> Would you do you want now that we're a
00:19:12
year later?
00:19:13
>> Yeah.
00:19:13
>> And we do think it is coming.
00:19:15
>> Yeah.
00:19:15
>> Do you want a touchscreen MacBook Pro?
00:19:20
>> It depends on what the touchscreen does.
00:19:23
I'm still
00:19:24
>> You can touch it usually.
00:19:26
>> Well, I guess that would be a feature,
00:19:28
but it Yeah, I don't know. They said
00:19:30
that the UI is going to be like modular
00:19:32
and change when you go to touch it and
00:19:34
it'll have all these ambient things. I
00:19:37
still think that they should have just
00:19:38
made the the touchpad Apple Pencil
00:19:41
compatible and that would have solved
00:19:42
like most of the problems
00:19:44
>> and then it could have pencils. Yeah,
00:19:46
the trackpad.
00:19:46
>> Oh,
00:19:47
>> yeah.
00:19:48
>> Cuz I don't know. I like doing this on
00:19:50
Photoshop, you know, but is that if
00:19:52
that's the only use, I'm not sure if
00:19:54
that's worth, you know, $9,000.
00:19:57
>> Yeah, it's going to be expensive as
00:19:58
well. That's a theme. Uh, but I do think
00:20:02
Apple is specifically allergic to making
00:20:04
the Apple Pencil compatible with the
00:20:06
Mac. And I know we were saying that
00:20:07
about a touchcreen, but I do think this
00:20:09
is very iPad related. They want to sell
00:20:11
you a Mac and an iPad, not or. So, the
00:20:15
more overlap in functionality there is
00:20:18
with Mac and iPad, the worse it is for
00:20:21
that double purchase.
00:20:23
>> So, I think uh yeah, the pencil's always
00:20:25
going to be just for the iPad.
00:20:26
>> Next year, we're going to find out. If I
00:20:28
wrong next year, it's going to be great.
00:20:30
>> Yeah, that's going to be
00:20:31
>> uh I'll run through a couple of these
00:20:32
pretty quick. Uh people asked us how AI
00:20:34
was helping us in our everyday lives and
00:20:36
Ellis was talking about vibe coding
00:20:38
something to where David responded, "Is
00:20:41
vibe coding like a term people use?"
00:20:43
>> That's changed quite a bit.
00:20:45
>> That was a year ago. Wow.
00:20:46
>> I think vibe coding, my grandma probably
00:20:49
knows what vibe coding is now. Ellis
00:20:51
downloaded a local LLM for the plane
00:20:53
ride here to mess around with. So
00:20:56
>> he was quening hard.
00:20:58
Nobody gets that joke.
00:21:00
>> It's a it's a model. Yeah.
00:21:02
>> Um and then the last thing we just kind
00:21:04
of, you know, got a a very firm answer
00:21:07
to a couple weeks ago, which is
00:21:09
>> with somebody asked us if AI is coming
00:21:11
into everything, glasses, pins, phones.
00:21:15
How concerned should we be with data
00:21:16
privacy? And if for some reason you
00:21:18
haven't seen the Meta Rayban article uh
00:21:20
about where your data is being sent and
00:21:22
being seen by data annotators in
00:21:25
different countries, you should really
00:21:27
read that article. Um lots of private
00:21:29
stuff that you don't know fully is being
00:21:31
recorded when you're using AI features
00:21:32
are being sent out. And uh
00:21:34
>> yeah, we did a breakdown this week that
00:21:36
the pod just went live an hour ago. So
00:21:38
you could watch it right now if you
00:21:39
wanted. You could be double potting
00:21:40
right now. Be kind of crazy.
00:21:42
>> I would not want to listen to me two
00:21:44
times at the same time. We wanted to
00:21:46
release it live on stage, but then we'd
00:21:47
have to make the pot is late joke to
00:21:49
Adam again. So,
00:21:50
>> yeah. Yeah.
00:21:51
>> All right, we'll take a quick break, but
00:21:52
after we come back, Adam and Ellis are
00:21:54
going to take some questions from the
00:21:56
crowd that we'll try to answer. No
00:21:58
pressure.
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Uh yeah, so I think that's everything
00:23:02
from the initial thought we had of just
00:23:05
covering a couple stories. We're going
00:23:07
to I think Adam and Ellis wanted to do
00:23:09
trivia first. Are they out in the
00:23:11
station? They just moved out there.
00:23:14
>> Do we think enough people have filled
00:23:15
out?
00:23:16
>> That's right. You hear the music. Thank
00:23:19
you everyone for filling out our survey
00:23:22
which took a shocking amount of time to
00:23:24
program that URL uh redirect. We asked
00:23:26
you a lot of questions and we are now
00:23:28
going to have our hosts guess what you
00:23:32
guys put. Also, thanks for filling out
00:23:34
the room. Listeners don't know, but it
00:23:36
is packed in here. There's like 3,000
00:23:38
people.
00:23:39
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, I can hear it.
00:23:40
Listen to that.
00:23:41
>> Crazy. Yeah.
00:23:43
>> Yeah. Damn. Also, 10 of you have never
00:23:47
listened or watched Waveform before.
00:23:49
>> Welcome.
00:23:50
>> That's cool.
00:23:51
>> Hopefully you subscribe after. Uh
00:23:53
>> you can hype us.
00:23:55
>> Not anymore.
00:23:55
>> Not anymore.
00:23:56
>> Oh yeah.
00:23:56
>> Yeah. The comments today were saying
00:23:57
it's done.
00:23:58
>> This is for average listeners or people
00:24:00
who listen to us a lot. This will
00:24:01
actually This is the one time a year
00:24:03
that Ellis and Adam get their own
00:24:04
microphones.
00:24:05
>> Oh my gosh. I didn't even realize that.
00:24:07
>> I'm trying so hard not to talk over you,
00:24:09
>> guys. I love the poor.
00:24:10
>> Wait, but anyway, so as I was saying,
00:24:12
>> guys, we asked the room, however many
00:24:15
Waveform fans there are here, who has
00:24:18
the best outfits on Waveform? Do you
00:24:23
want to guess who this lovely crowd
00:24:25
said?
00:24:26
>> David
00:24:26
>> Ellis,
00:24:28
>> I think they said David.
00:24:30
>> Really?
00:24:31
>> Yeah. I have like five pairs of clothes,
00:24:33
bro.
00:24:34
>> I guess. Yeah, outfits is hard. But no,
00:24:37
I think David's got the It's David or
00:24:39
Ellis.
00:24:40
>> David was in second place with seven
00:24:43
votes, but guys, it was not even close.
00:24:46
>> Oh, shoot.
00:24:47
>> Marquez,
00:24:48
>> 26 votes.
00:24:51
>> I'd be
00:24:53
>> fashion icon Marquez Brownley.
00:24:58
>> Andrew, why do you sound so surprised?
00:25:01
>> I don't know. Tell us. There's been like
00:25:02
four Red uh Reddit posts about Ellis's
00:25:05
sweatshirt.
00:25:06
>> It's Abbercrombie and Fitch.
00:25:08
>> Yeah, people use Circle of Search to
00:25:10
find that out.
00:25:11
>> Wow.
00:25:12
>> People only talk about us on Dig. So
00:25:13
that's why
00:25:14
>> that's what I'm missing on.
00:25:16
>> Guys, we asked this crowd to rank our
00:25:19
niche tech interests that are paid
00:25:21
weather apps, Samsung decks, film
00:25:23
cameras, VHS tapes, and mechanical
00:25:25
keyboards. What do you think the top
00:25:29
ranked thing in this room was? Are we
00:25:32
all just going to answer our own one?
00:25:33
>> I don't know. I'm not definitely not.
00:25:35
>> I think this room would think David's
00:25:37
film cameras is the best me.
00:25:40
>> It's weather apps for sure.
00:25:41
>> It's weather apps for sure. Okay,
00:25:42
Andrew.
00:25:43
>> I'm selfishly saying mechanical
00:25:45
keyboards.
00:25:47
>> If it's weather apps,
00:25:48
>> at number three,
00:25:50
Samsung Dex. That's right, baby. At
00:25:53
number two, mechanical keyboards.
00:25:56
>> Okay.
00:25:58
>> At number one,
00:26:00
>> David Al. Really? Wow.
00:26:01
>> Film cameras.
00:26:03
>> I don't even think this technology.
00:26:04
>> We're living in the analog world,
00:26:06
people.
00:26:06
>> I'd be ranking racking up the points
00:26:08
right now if this is if we were counting
00:26:10
this.
00:26:10
>> This is what Yeah.
00:26:11
>> Yeah.
00:26:12
>> Guys, I think it's time for our new I
00:26:14
guess it's the second time. So now it's
00:26:16
a tradition. We asked this crowd who has
00:26:20
the worst takes on waveform. Last year,
00:26:25
you all voted me,
00:26:28
which as the person who introduced these
00:26:30
three people to vibe coding, you might
00:26:32
be right.
00:26:34
Who do you think has the worst takes? Or
00:26:38
excuse me, who do you think they
00:26:41
>> has the worst takes on a wave four?
00:26:43
>> This lovely crowd of 3,000 people.
00:26:46
>> 3 million people.
00:26:48
>> Yeah.
00:26:49
>> You know what's funny about that? I just
00:26:50
want to interrupt real quick. I think
00:26:52
well I mean this room is what probably
00:26:53
like 150 people or something like that
00:26:55
which is awesome and I always hear uh
00:26:57
like people starting off starting
00:26:59
YouTube channels will always say like oh
00:27:00
you know I I made my first video I
00:27:02
didn't get that many views I only got
00:27:03
like 200 views.
00:27:05
>> Picture yourself making that video to a
00:27:08
room of 200 people and it totally
00:27:11
recontextualizes what you just did.
00:27:13
Everyone's obsessed with scale and
00:27:14
getting a million views but like just if
00:27:17
you're starting think about that. Think
00:27:18
about this room. Anyway,
00:27:20
>> I'm way more nervous on this stage right
00:27:22
now than going into our podcast, which
00:27:24
hits hundreds of thous
00:27:33
>> I think Ellis got the votes again for
00:27:35
worst takes.
00:27:36
>> That would be
00:27:36
>> worst takes.
00:27:37
>> Yeah.
00:27:38
>> Oh, it could be me. Honestly,
00:27:40
>> I think everyone just wants to say
00:27:42
themselves to be nice. So, I'll also say
00:27:43
David
00:27:44
>> to be nice. I'm being selfish.
00:27:46
Andrew, you tied with Adam for the least
00:27:50
votes in this question, implying that
00:27:52
you actually might have the best.
00:27:55
>> Wow.
00:27:55
>> I love you all. This is the greatest
00:27:57
audience in the world.
00:27:58
>> Marquez, you only slightly came under
00:28:01
him with six votes as the worst takes on
00:28:04
the podcast.
00:28:05
>> It's you, me, boys, one of the three of
00:28:07
us.
00:28:08
>> I with myriad of wonderful opinions got
00:28:12
a whopping 12 votes. for the worst takes
00:28:16
on the podcast, but I have been
00:28:18
dethroned.
00:28:20
>> The worst takes on Waveform now belong
00:28:24
>> to David Al.
00:28:27
>> Damn.
00:28:27
>> Which is funny cuz they love your film
00:28:29
cameras
00:28:30
>> but don't like your other dates.
00:28:31
>> Oh, don't like my opinions.
00:28:33
>> I like your pictures but don't talk.
00:28:38
>> Just be pretty.
00:28:41
You guys uh offered a lot of hilarious
00:28:43
answers to what the tech of the summer
00:28:45
will be. Everything from I don't know,
00:28:47
not the rabbit R1. Um something that
00:28:50
people think is cool, AI companies
00:28:53
offering OpenClaw as a service, whatever
00:28:56
the Johnny eye chat GPT puck will end up
00:28:59
being,
00:29:00
>> Metag Glasses, the Neo local AI devices
00:29:04
for all my quinners out there.
00:29:06
>> Thank you, Alice.
00:29:07
>> Don't know what that means.
00:29:08
>> I got you.
00:29:08
>> Yeah. What does that mean? Um,
00:29:10
>> wait. Can you explain that? What who it?
00:29:11
>> We don't have time for that.
00:29:12
>> We really should.
00:29:14
>> Okay, never mind.
00:29:14
>> It's a It's a local AMI model made by I
00:29:18
can never remember who actually makes
00:29:19
it, but I think they just laid off like
00:29:20
most of their team. So, it's sort of
00:29:22
unsupported and free floating in the
00:29:24
>> Okay, forget I asked
00:29:26
>> Jelly. Um, and it seems like for the
00:29:29
most part you guys would not let Open
00:29:32
Claw touch anything in your lives, which
00:29:34
is probably
00:29:35
>> smart a safe move. Uh, but now that
00:29:38
we've heard the opinions that we've
00:29:40
forced out of you, I think we'd like to
00:29:43
pass some of these microphones around
00:29:45
and have you guys ask our hosts some
00:29:48
questions. Does that sound like it would
00:29:50
be fun?
00:29:51
>> I hope so, cuz we have 30 minutes and
00:29:53
nothing else.
00:29:55
>> I'm coming over.
00:29:56
>> Vamp Molina is handing out the first
00:29:58
microphone.
00:29:58
>> First question.
00:30:01
>> Uh, hi. Thank you guys so much for
00:30:02
speaking. I've been a fan for almost
00:30:04
eight years now, so it's kind of crazy.
00:30:06
um like seeing you guys in real life. I
00:30:07
was kind of curious. I took a robo taxi
00:30:09
here and it got me wondering between
00:30:11
that. I see a lot of Whimos on the
00:30:12
street. Would each of you be comfortable
00:30:15
riding in an autonomous vehicle? And if
00:30:16
so, does it matter on the brand? Um are
00:30:18
you waiting for it to get bigger or have
00:30:20
you done so since you've been in Austin?
00:30:23
>> Yeah. So, when I first uh got to test
00:30:26
the Tesla robo taxi, it was still in
00:30:28
this sort of very early beta phase of
00:30:30
only people with invites could test it,
00:30:32
but I did get my first taste of the
00:30:34
Tesla robo taxi there. That was also my
00:30:36
first taste of the Whimos. I rode them
00:30:38
all day. Uh I don't know how many miles
00:30:40
I covered, but we we did a lot of
00:30:42
shooting and a lot of testing in a whole
00:30:44
bunch of different routes all over the
00:30:45
place. At the end of that, my conclusion
00:30:48
was these are fine. And actually, as
00:30:50
someone who's typically like I recently
00:30:52
checked my Uber rating and I'm like a
00:30:53
4.9 passenger rating. I feel like I'm
00:30:55
the perfect Uber passenger. I just I
00:30:58
just I get in the back and I just sit
00:31:00
there and I don't do anything. And it
00:31:02
would be even cooler if I didn't have to
00:31:03
talk to anyone and it was empty and I'm
00:31:06
on the computer working and it's fine.
00:31:08
And uh I think a lot of people's dream
00:31:09
is to just get into a little car that it
00:31:11
doesn't have anyone in there. It doesn't
00:31:13
have to, you know, you don't have to
00:31:15
talk to anyone. So uh I was totally fine
00:31:18
with it. I would ride in any autonomous
00:31:19
car. They seem to drive kind of like
00:31:22
like a grandma a little bit. Like
00:31:23
they're mostly pretty safe about things.
00:31:26
Uh and I was totally fine with that.
00:31:28
>> Yeah. Well, I'm not supposed to talk cuz
00:31:30
my opinions are bad. So, um
00:31:32
>> give us your takes.
00:31:33
>> I've not taken the robo taxi. I
00:31:35
personally
00:31:37
I have a Model 3 and I do not trust its
00:31:39
autopilot at all cuz it makes really bad
00:31:41
decisions. Obviously, I don't have a
00:31:42
newer version. It's like a 2019 one.
00:31:44
It's very old. Um, so maybe I would do
00:31:46
that. But I have been writing Whimos for
00:31:49
like three or four years now, and the
00:31:51
ones in San Francisco are crazy smooth.
00:31:54
Um, I love getting in a Whimo, and I
00:31:56
love that has my name like spinning on
00:31:57
the top. It's kind of cool.
00:31:59
>> I don't like the idea of uh this insane
00:32:02
consolidation of power between like one
00:32:04
to two companies that could completely
00:32:07
just take over the entire taxi ride
00:32:09
hailing space. If this tech gets more
00:32:12
democratized, which there are really
00:32:13
cool like open-sourced car driving
00:32:16
models now that you can like install in
00:32:18
your car with cameras and stuff, whether
00:32:20
or not that becomes street legal, I have
00:32:22
no idea. But, um, the Wimos are very
00:32:24
fun. They're very smooth.
00:32:25
>> I have not ridden in either of them. I
00:32:28
think I would because like Marquez said
00:32:29
they're pretty slow and around you know
00:32:31
they're testing in cities like this
00:32:33
which is gated and they're doing a lot
00:32:35
of uh you know there's only so far you
00:32:38
can go and so as long as I'm not trying
00:32:40
to get anywhere pretty quick I'm fine
00:32:42
with it. but also a regular Uber driver.
00:32:44
I think as we left Southby last year,
00:32:47
Marquez's Uber to the airport when they
00:32:50
got in, he said, "I'm not your average
00:32:52
Uber driver." And all of us went, "Oh,
00:32:55
no. Are we going to see them at the So,
00:32:58
you know, there's dangers in both of
00:32:59
them." Uh, but yeah, I I would get in
00:33:02
one and try it around the city. Yeah. I
00:33:04
saw one near our studio a couple days
00:33:06
ago and I realized there's an article a
00:33:09
whimo that they were testing them in New
00:33:11
York City.
00:33:11
>> Yeah. Which is insane.
00:33:12
>> Which I couldn't decide if that made me
00:33:14
very confident in them or extremely
00:33:17
concerned cuz I've seen has anyone
00:33:21
driven in New York City before? You know
00:33:22
that that's that's the ultimate
00:33:24
challenge for these things. So if it can
00:33:26
survive there then I guess it can
00:33:28
survive anywhere.
00:33:28
>> Can I throw an a question to the
00:33:30
audience real fast? So, with this cyber
00:33:33
cab,
00:33:33
>> I was literally going to ask who, if you
00:33:36
don't know, Marquez has a bet if cyber
00:33:38
the $30,000 no steering wheel two seat
00:33:42
cyber cab comes out by the end. Who here
00:33:45
uh thinks Marquez's hair is safe? Aka,
00:33:48
do you think it will come not come out?
00:33:50
>> Okay, here's a bet. Here's a bet. Elon
00:33:52
got on stage.
00:33:54
>> Well, the bet was Okay, Elon got on
00:33:57
stage. She said, "We're going to have
00:33:58
this golden twodoor autonomous thing and
00:34:00
we're going to sell it to the public
00:34:01
before the end of 2026." And I was like,
00:34:04
"Of course you're not." Um, and if you
00:34:06
if you do, I'll shave my head on camera.
00:34:08
That's I feel pretty confident that
00:34:10
that's not going to happen. So, if you
00:34:13
think my bet is safe, raise your hand.
00:34:17
>> If you think I'm going to shave my head,
00:34:19
raise your hand.
00:34:20
>> I feel so good about that. Has anyone
00:34:23
here taken a Tesla cyber cab in Austin?
00:34:27
Cuz they do run ostensibly in Austin.
00:34:29
>> Robo taxi. Yeah. No, you're Robo Taxi.
00:34:32
Cyber
00:34:32
>> Robo Taxi.
00:34:33
>> No, it's Robo Van.
00:34:34
>> Thank you.
00:34:36
>> No. No. Okay. Um,
00:34:39
>> we have another question back here.
00:34:40
>> Cool.
00:34:43
>> I've actually seen the Robo Taxi here,
00:34:45
so I have a picture of it. It's
00:34:46
definitely out there.
00:34:47
>> Uh, my name is Will. Big big uh fan of
00:34:50
the podcast. I watch pretty much every
00:34:52
single one of them at least tangentally
00:34:54
through shorts. Um
00:34:58
I was just wondering what is your all's
00:35:00
next big purchase if it's tech or
00:35:02
otherwise.
00:35:03
>> I hope a home one day
00:35:06
>> so you can have your Rivian.
00:35:07
>> Yeah,
00:35:10
>> I have an answer.
00:35:11
>> I mean we kind of teased one at the end
00:35:13
of year in the life.
00:35:15
>> Oh, that's the giant one. Yeah, yeah,
00:35:17
yeah. Mine was going to be a tech thing.
00:35:19
>> Okay. Uh, this video is not uploaded
00:35:20
yet, so this is an exclusive. Uh, I just
00:35:22
did a video of, uh, sort of a desk tour
00:35:25
of reviewing everything on my desk. And
00:35:28
on my desk is a bunch of things, a
00:35:30
computer, monitors, keyboards, things
00:35:32
that I've been using for like 15 years
00:35:34
straight. And and I know them really
00:35:37
well and I I really like them and I
00:35:38
choose them out of all the choices I
00:35:40
would have had. Um, but sitting on my
00:35:42
desk right now is two Pro Display XDRs
00:35:44
and a Mac Pro. And the Mac Pro isn't
00:35:49
technically discontinued yet, but it's
00:35:52
pretty close. It's basically discont.
00:35:54
It's an M2 chip. It's like a
00:35:56
three-year-old chip, and they've had
00:35:57
three generations since then. And uh the
00:36:00
Mac Pro is not getting any updates. And
00:36:02
the Studio Display XDR just came out and
00:36:05
is better in every way than the Pro
00:36:08
Display XDR other than being slightly
00:36:10
smaller
00:36:11
>> and lower resolution.
00:36:12
>> Uh yeah, slightly smaller, but same
00:36:14
pixel density. Okay,
00:36:16
>> so I think my next big purchase is going
00:36:19
to be those studio displays to replace
00:36:22
my Pro displays. And then I was talking
00:36:25
about this earlier, like I'm not sure if
00:36:26
I'm going to become the MacBook Pro guy
00:36:28
that takes it everywhere and then plugs
00:36:30
it in or if I still like have like a Mac
00:36:33
Studio on my desk or something like
00:36:35
that. But that's that's what I'm
00:36:37
scheming right now is my my updated desk
00:36:39
setup.
00:36:40
>> Do you want to Andrew? Uh, mine's
00:36:42
probably either whatever keyboard
00:36:44
convinces me to pre-order it and forget
00:36:47
about next orh
00:36:49
I don't know. I probably won't upgrade a
00:36:51
phone for a while because Google keeps
00:36:52
screwing me over with this 128 base
00:36:55
storage. It's annoying. So, I'll
00:36:57
probably hold on to this for a while. I
00:36:58
actually don't have anything in
00:36:59
>> It's hard. It's like my MacBook M1 Max
00:37:02
is still kicking it pretty dang hard.
00:37:04
So, I don't really need to upgrade to my
00:37:06
computer. I have a little apartment.
00:37:09
It's got air conditioning sometimes
00:37:12
during the summer. I don't know. I would
00:37:14
say I mean I've been trying to Does it
00:37:16
have to be technology? Because I've been
00:37:18
trying to convince myself to buy a Leica
00:37:19
M7 for like six years.
00:37:21
>> That's technology.
00:37:22
>> Raise your hand if you should buy a
00:37:23
Leica M7.
00:37:25
>> Wow.
00:37:26
>> Says yes. Do it. Thank you. That's
00:37:28
probably it honestly.
00:37:30
>> Yeah. I mean I will probably get a
00:37:32
Rivian eventually.
00:37:33
>> Subscription.
00:37:33
>> A what?
00:37:34
>> Maybe a cloud subscription.
00:37:36
>> Yeah.
00:37:37
>> Cloud Max.
00:37:38
>> No.
00:37:39
No. All right, next question right back
00:37:42
here.
00:37:44
>> Hey, how's it going guys? Um, big fan.
00:37:46
Been following you guys for a while. Um,
00:37:47
I was just at CES this year and I saw a
00:37:49
lot of like autonomous lawnmowers and
00:37:51
stuff. What was the What was it from CES
00:37:53
that really impressed you guys this year
00:37:55
that you perhaps are looking forward to
00:37:57
in the consumer space?
00:37:59
>> Robot phone.
00:38:00
>> That was mobile, isn't it?
00:38:02
>> Well, they showed it at CES first.
00:38:04
>> Did they?
00:38:04
>> I think so.
00:38:05
>> Yeah.
00:38:05
>> I'm just kidding. I'm trying to remember
00:38:07
what happened at CES this year. CES is
00:38:09
CES is the perfect example of when I say
00:38:11
we don't remember timelines because I
00:38:13
could mention something from 8 years ago
00:38:15
and it'll feel like this year's CES cuz
00:38:18
>> it probably stays at CES for years at a
00:38:20
time.
00:38:21
>> I will say the
00:38:23
>> this kind of ties into my weather thing,
00:38:24
but the autonomous lawnmowers were
00:38:26
interesting.
00:38:27
>> Oh god.
00:38:28
>> We got several major blizzards on the
00:38:30
east coast this year. and someone that
00:38:33
I've been following, uh, every time
00:38:34
there's a blizzard, he posts a video of
00:38:36
his autonomous snowblower
00:38:38
>> clearing his driveway actively while
00:38:40
it's snowing so that he wakes up to a
00:38:42
clear driveway. And one of them went
00:38:44
super viral and the whole world found
00:38:45
out about autonomous snowblowers. And
00:38:47
then we got another blizzard and it was
00:38:49
too much snow for the snowblower and it
00:38:50
was like kind of it had to go back to
00:38:52
the dock in charge. It was interesting
00:38:53
like seeing like a real use case of that
00:38:55
thing and I thought that was that was
00:38:58
kind of like the best case scenario of
00:39:00
like an autonomous vehicle that just
00:39:03
silently while you're not thinking about
00:39:04
it goes out and does work earns you some
00:39:07
time and then goes back and charges and
00:39:09
goes to sleep. And I thought that was
00:39:11
pretty sick.
00:39:12
>> There was one thing I'm remembering now
00:39:14
which was the Seattle Ultrasonics uh
00:39:16
kitchen knife that is like uh
00:39:19
>> essentially vibrates to help cut things
00:39:21
better. They did wind up sending us one
00:39:22
and we tried it. There was a short
00:39:24
Marquez did on it.
00:39:25
>> Yeah,
00:39:25
>> it was I wanted to love it,
00:39:28
>> but it just did not quite accomplish
00:39:30
what I wanted it to. And I talked to the
00:39:32
team there and they were super nice and
00:39:34
they're going to keep trying, but I was
00:39:36
a little bummed out by it,
00:39:38
unfortunately.
00:39:39
>> Yeah, we learned that everyone in the
00:39:40
studio has bad knife handling skills.
00:39:42
>> I learned that very quickly.
00:39:43
>> Almost everyone.
00:39:44
>> Yeah, Ellis being number one. Worst
00:39:46
knife handling skills.
00:39:48
There were some really weirdly shaped
00:39:50
cool phones there this year. Um I think
00:39:53
that the the clicks communicator was
00:39:55
very very cool,
00:39:57
>> you know. So I I want to try that. I
00:39:58
want to have like a little weekender
00:40:00
phone that I don't have to
00:40:01
>> Disclaimer, David. Disclaimer.
00:40:03
>> Okay. The person who launched it was my
00:40:05
old roommate.
00:40:08
>> That's a crazy disclaimer.
00:40:11
>> I don't know what to say about that, but
00:40:13
yeah, true. I'm also to be I also saw
00:40:15
that at CES or saw that from CES and I
00:40:17
was like
00:40:18
>> I want to check that out.
00:40:18
>> I I'm actually interested and I did
00:40:20
actually put $400 down for a pre-order.
00:40:22
So,
00:40:23
>> okay.
00:40:23
>> And not only to support him.
00:40:25
>> We have another question right here.
00:40:28
>> Hi guys. Um so this is the second live
00:40:31
episode that you guys do and the studio
00:40:34
year recap like getting cameras all over
00:40:36
was great. Uh so my question is like is
00:40:38
there going to be any more live episodes
00:40:40
like this? Um, something that I've been
00:40:43
look I'm from Puerto Rico and like one
00:40:44
of the big things that we live in a
00:40:46
little bubble in the US and like just
00:40:48
going out to other countries and seeing
00:40:50
technology over there could be something
00:40:52
different like I'm going to Japan in
00:40:53
October and I'm like super excited about
00:40:55
the tech over there now. So like is that
00:40:58
been any thought or like having more
00:41:00
live episodes mostly if something
00:41:01
outside of the country too?
00:41:03
>> Sure. We've what's awesome about Vox
00:41:05
setting this up is we get to do it
00:41:07
without they handle all the hard work.
00:41:09
Like seriously, the people at Vox here
00:41:11
who are setting all this up, kudos to
00:41:12
you. You do an incredible job and we
00:41:14
appreciate it. Um
00:41:17
>> seriously, they deserve an applause.
00:41:19
It's really awesome. Um
00:41:21
>> we've talked about it. Um having Harper
00:41:23
on the team now gives us a little more
00:41:25
flexibility of like possibly being able
00:41:27
to set something like that up. It's just
00:41:28
a huge undertaking.
00:41:31
Maybe Year in the Life. If you have not
00:41:34
seen it, it's an incredible thing our
00:41:36
studio channel put out just covering
00:41:38
literally everything we did last year.
00:41:39
It's an hour and a half long. We run on
00:41:42
a really efficient and tight schedule. I
00:41:44
mean, most of us our flights at 4 today
00:41:47
and we got in at 10 p.m. last night. So,
00:41:49
like we do things really fast. Um, so a
00:41:52
show like that takes out a huge chunk of
00:41:55
what Marquez ultimately loves doing,
00:41:57
which is making YouTube videos. Uh, so
00:42:00
as much as we'd like to do it, I think
00:42:01
the first ones would probably be around
00:42:03
New York City or maybe at a CES or
00:42:06
something like that or near
00:42:09
an event on the West Coast. I mean, I'd
00:42:12
love to go out of the country and do
00:42:13
something.
00:42:13
>> I will be campaigning hard for Puerto
00:42:15
Rico. I'm just saying.
00:42:16
>> I was going to say I do I like what you
00:42:17
said about like we're ultimately in our
00:42:19
own bubble of like locationwise kind of
00:42:21
no matter what. And uh I I got like a
00:42:24
super huge dose of this last year. I
00:42:26
went to China to play at ultimate
00:42:29
frisbee tournament but ended up like as
00:42:31
soon as I landed I was just like this is
00:42:32
a there's first of all 90% of the cars
00:42:34
are electric this is insane and like
00:42:36
being immersed in that culture in that
00:42:38
space and realizing like this is its own
00:42:40
bubble but there's nothing in common
00:42:43
it's incredible and so then we came back
00:42:45
here and I reviewed uh the Xiaomi SU7
00:42:47
which was an electric car from China in
00:42:49
the US just to sort of shine a light on
00:42:51
that and people were super curious about
00:42:54
it and I feel like we should do that
00:42:56
more often often is sort of poke out of
00:42:57
our own bubble and into others and
00:42:59
understand like the tech that's running
00:43:01
in other places and that's like more
00:43:02
advanced than what we see in our own
00:43:03
bubble. So I I hope to do more of that
00:43:05
and maybe we'll go back to China and
00:43:07
>> even with smartphones it's pretty wild
00:43:08
like all of the European phones that
00:43:10
we're not even getting here that have
00:43:12
insane features like the robot phone
00:43:13
that we just we just talked about a few
00:43:15
minutes ago maybe not getting a global
00:43:17
launch. So there's just a lot of weird
00:43:19
interesting technology in these other
00:43:21
countries that we don't even like it's
00:43:23
kind of hard to even talk about it
00:43:24
because we're not even going to be able
00:43:26
to utilize it here. But
00:43:27
>> yeah, that is actually the hardest part
00:43:28
is importing a Chinese car into the US
00:43:32
and getting a plate on it and register
00:43:34
to actually drive it and test it. That
00:43:36
same problem is true for every piece of
00:43:38
tech that's not built for this market
00:43:40
from phones to computers to cars to
00:43:42
everything in between. and the buttons
00:43:44
and the maps don't work and everything
00:43:45
is like
00:43:46
>> all the entire language one of the leng
00:43:48
it's in Celsius and kilometers I don't
00:43:50
know what's going on but it is worth the
00:43:52
challenge to experience the tech that
00:43:54
those places have to offer.
00:43:55
>> Yeah.
00:43:56
>> All right we'll take one more quick
00:43:57
break and when we get back even more of
00:43:58
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00:46:06
>> All right, next question back here.
00:46:10
>> Hi. Uh, super cool to see you all. I've
00:46:12
watched you guys' content all the time.
00:46:14
I really appreciate it. Thank you,
00:46:15
David, especially for all the film
00:46:17
camera stuff. Uh, you let me to get my
00:46:20
own camera. Um, but the question I
00:46:22
wanted to ask was actually about form
00:46:24
factors. Um, I grew up in some of my
00:46:26
favorite pieces of technology growing up
00:46:28
were things like the iPod Nano and the
00:46:29
very first like iPhone and stuff like
00:46:31
that. Um, seeing how much bigger things
00:46:34
have gotten year-over-year. I remember I
00:46:35
have a Flip now. Um, which is the
00:46:38
closest thing I could find to a small
00:46:39
phone. Um, but when I was searching, I
00:46:40
was hoping that, you know, the trend
00:46:42
would continue towards like what the
00:46:43
Asus Zen phone was like. Um, but then
00:46:45
the next version got bigger and bigger.
00:46:47
I'm wondering if you guys predict or
00:46:49
think that the market and like sort of
00:46:51
tech space will come back towards
00:46:53
smaller form factors or whether the
00:46:55
trend to get bigger and bigger is just
00:46:56
going to be matched by like slimmer and
00:46:58
slimmer um to save our
00:47:00
>> Can I ask you a question real quick? Did
00:47:02
we do was flip compact phone smartphone
00:47:04
award this year?
00:47:05
>> I believe it was.
00:47:06
>> Do you agree with us that like the
00:47:08
flipping phones can start being in our
00:47:10
compact form factor? I was Yeah, that I
00:47:12
was definitely wondering about that
00:47:14
because it's I mean it's a square now,
00:47:15
but it's still a chunky square. Um but
00:47:18
uh I wonder if like Apple's design
00:47:20
choices to go towards passport styles
00:47:22
are going to start encouraging the rest
00:47:24
of phone makers to start looking at
00:47:25
smaller phones or whether that bigger
00:47:27
iPad space opening is going to be more
00:47:29
the direction people are going to head.
00:47:31
>> iPhone mini.
00:47:32
>> I I have something to say about this
00:47:34
because I used a small phone up until
00:47:36
about 3 or four months ago and
00:47:38
>> mini. Yeah, the iPhone 12 mini. And I
00:47:41
was
00:47:42
>> an iPhone 12 mini.
00:47:43
>> I know, right? I was constantly shocked
00:47:45
at how many things just didn't work on
00:47:48
it. Like how many developers had did not
00:47:50
take into account that a screen size
00:47:52
even like could be that small. Even like
00:47:54
when the Apple Sports app first came
00:47:57
out, um it the it didn't load because
00:47:59
like things were off screen and I
00:48:01
couldn't scroll the page. And so like I
00:48:03
want to see these things come back, but
00:48:05
there's a part of me that's like we've
00:48:06
we're already over the the cliff. like
00:48:08
things would need to get re-engineered
00:48:10
beyond just like different screens.
00:48:12
>> I don't know. I mean, Android is like
00:48:14
Android is changing a lot to be
00:48:16
adaptable to many different types of
00:48:18
displays right now. And there's actually
00:48:20
a little bit of a Android revolution
00:48:21
going on in the small phone form factor
00:48:24
world right now. There was a startup
00:48:25
that just launched like a square Android
00:48:27
phone that everyone's been talking about
00:48:28
for the last couple days. There's the
00:48:30
clicks communicator. You know, I have to
00:48:32
give my little disclaimer, David.
00:48:34
>> Disclaimer disclaimer. It was my
00:48:35
roommate. Um, and then there's there's
00:48:37
just like a number of weird form factors
00:48:39
that are starting to come out in the
00:48:40
Android space. And the current version
00:48:42
of Android is specifically tailored to
00:48:44
just kind of like grow and shrink and
00:48:46
change. And uh, I think that there's
00:48:48
always going to be a market there. The
00:48:50
question is, is it enough to mass
00:48:52
manufacture a product like this? That's
00:48:54
why we always see these companies
00:48:55
releasing a small phone for like one to
00:48:57
two years and then like, oh well, same
00:48:59
result as last time. Nobody wants to buy
00:49:01
it. That's I think that's the key is the
00:49:04
is how big is the market because I think
00:49:05
when you talk about small especially
00:49:07
small smartphones it's one of the most
00:49:08
interesting
00:49:10
>> segments in tech because if you ask
00:49:12
people they all say yes we want a small
00:49:15
>> people we all want
00:49:16
>> we all want smaller smartphone and then
00:49:19
when they put it on sale the bell curve
00:49:22
is all people trying to get the biggest
00:49:23
phone they possibly can.
00:49:25
>> Yeah. And so it it will be startups. It
00:49:28
will be small market stuff, but the
00:49:31
bigger companies are finding out that it
00:49:33
isn't worth it to develop a separate
00:49:35
small phone when such a few amount of
00:49:38
people actually buy it. So it's a sad
00:49:40
thing, but I agree. I want that Zen
00:49:43
phone back. Like I love that phone, but
00:49:45
it it does seem like it is more niche
00:49:47
than the super big companies are willing
00:49:50
to put that effort in.
00:49:51
>> Yeah. I want to try and rapid fire a few
00:49:53
because we got a lot of people who want
00:49:55
questions and my guess is
00:49:56
>> 13 minutes.
00:49:57
>> 13 minutes. Okay.
00:49:58
>> Sorry to cut you off, Andrew, but
00:49:59
>> I miss small phones, too.
00:50:01
>> Yeah. And you own this episode, so
00:50:02
you're the worst person I could have cut
00:50:04
off, but sorry. Anyway, one up here in
00:50:05
the front.
00:50:07
>> Hey guys. Hi. Uh, nice to meet you. By
00:50:09
the way, Mark, I thought you are way
00:50:11
shorter for a while because of the
00:50:12
photos you take with Justine and Saf at
00:50:14
the Apple.
00:50:16
>> And my question,
00:50:17
>> oh, the SA photos. I forgot. Yes.
00:50:20
Uh, do did you guys ever notice or did
00:50:23
you guys ever have an inconvenience or
00:50:25
notice a bug that was like so small and
00:50:27
so inconvenient, but you still remember
00:50:29
and it still annoys you to this day?
00:50:33
>> It we the podcast went live an hour ago,
00:50:35
but we just got done talking about this
00:50:36
episode. There is I've tested 300 cars
00:50:40
at this point andrew's car has a feature
00:50:44
that I've never seen in any other car,
00:50:46
which is when you change the volume, a
00:50:49
full screen volume knob takes over the
00:50:51
entire screen to show you your volume.
00:50:54
So, whatever navigation, music, whatever
00:50:57
was going on disappears and it says,
00:50:59
"Here's your volume." That's insane.
00:51:01
I've never seen that before.
00:51:03
>> I brought that up on this week's
00:51:04
episode. hopefully you all listen to it
00:51:06
after to talk about for like two minutes
00:51:07
and I think half an hour into the
00:51:09
episode we're still complaining about
00:51:10
it. So, that's like my my biggest
00:51:12
annoyance right now is that
00:51:14
>> yeah, I I have an Android TV, but the
00:51:17
way that it works is it's a projector
00:51:19
and then there's an Android TV box that
00:51:21
goes in the projector and they have two
00:51:23
separate volumes for some reason, but
00:51:26
you can only access one. And it's kind
00:51:28
of just like quantum which one decides
00:51:31
to get picked. Like one at one point
00:51:33
it's like, oh, the volume's max. It's at
00:51:34
25, but you can't hear it at all. And
00:51:36
then you have to turn it off and turn it
00:51:38
back on. And then maybe if you flip a
00:51:40
coin, maybe you'll be able to turn the
00:51:42
volume up. Uh there needs to be a
00:51:44
unified system there. That's
00:51:46
>> just put cloud on it, bro.
00:51:47
>> Yeah, maybe Cloud can handle it for me.
00:51:48
>> All right, next question.
00:51:51
>> Oh, hi. Uh thanks for um what uh you're
00:51:54
doing here. Uh I actually wanted to ask
00:51:56
about uh about phones um accessory phone
00:51:59
devices. I think I was trying to search
00:52:01
what the name of the latest one was, but
00:52:03
I just saw an article about how people
00:52:06
are getting like devices with their
00:52:10
phones. Like they, you know, they don't
00:52:11
have to pull out their phone. I don't
00:52:12
know if you've heard of those. Like an
00:52:14
accessory phone,
00:52:14
>> the Click Communicator was the one in
00:52:16
that.
00:52:20
>> What do you think of them?
00:52:22
>> Yeah, I pal Phone, baby.
00:52:24
>> Hard cell for me. Well, Steph Curry had
00:52:26
the palm phone, so it was pretty sweet.
00:52:28
Um, I don't know. I I kind of like the
00:52:32
Clicks communicator as just the phone.
00:52:34
It looks interesting. I don't think um
00:52:36
Marquez is a two phone person already,
00:52:37
so maybe that's something you could do.
00:52:40
That part of the accessory is meant for
00:52:43
working and more keyboards. And as a
00:52:45
keyboard lover, you'd think I would like
00:52:46
it, but phone keyboards don't interest
00:52:48
me that much.
00:52:49
>> I think the most difficult thing about
00:52:50
this is text message forwarding. is that
00:52:53
like if I'm taking a phone for the
00:52:55
weekend, generally it can have data, but
00:52:57
it doesn't have my phone number. And if
00:52:59
everyone would just get on Telegram,
00:53:01
then it would be easier.
00:53:02
>> Signal
00:53:04
or Yeah, probably signal is better. I
00:53:06
know better.
00:53:07
>> I know, but Telegram has animations and
00:53:09
stickers.
00:53:10
>> Uh, so yeah, I mean, I would I love the
00:53:13
idea of being able to take something for
00:53:14
just the weekend, but if people can't
00:53:16
communicate with me, and that's even my
00:53:17
concern about the Clicks Communicator,
00:53:19
too. It's like it's a communication
00:53:20
phone. Yes, it's great for Signal and
00:53:22
it's great for Telegram. It's great for
00:53:24
Slack, but if people are texting me,
00:53:25
which in the United States people still
00:53:27
text you a lot, uh it's kind of hard to
00:53:30
justify something like that.
00:53:32
>> Totally agree. I think it has to be your
00:53:34
same phone number.
00:53:35
>> Yeah, just use WhatsApp.
00:53:36
>> No.
00:53:37
>> No. I I was using a minimal phone for a
00:53:41
few weeks last year until I met my
00:53:45
girlfriend and then decided to switch
00:53:46
back to my iPhone because I thought I
00:53:48
was less funny on a physical keyboard.
00:53:52
>> So that's my opinion. We have one
00:53:53
question right.
00:53:54
>> We should redo that worst takes
00:53:55
question.
00:53:58
>> Yeah, I think we shift two votes over to
00:53:59
me for that one.
00:54:00
>> We get it, Ellis. You got a girlfriend.
00:54:03
>> Hey y'all. It's uh lovely to meet you
00:54:05
all. Thank you Ellis. Um, I love y'all
00:54:07
and the entire studio.
00:54:08
>> Thank you.
00:54:09
>> Um, I think I have a couple things to
00:54:11
say. I think I will let OpenClaw access
00:54:13
my ex's text messages.
00:54:15
>> Maybe it can do something I can't.
00:54:18
That's just me. Um, I want to know if I
00:54:21
want to know what your pre-production
00:54:23
pipeline looks like cuz I find that
00:54:24
pretty fascinating. And also from me to
00:54:27
y'all, from filmmaker to content
00:54:29
creators, could we, the film industry,
00:54:31
sway y'all to change from 30 fps to 20?
00:54:35
He will get off the stage.
00:54:37
>> No, cuz I think by default it is the
00:54:40
best FPS and should remain the default
00:54:44
and best.
00:54:45
>> Let's talk. Let's talk. Let's talk.
00:54:47
>> Can I get a Can I just get why?
00:54:50
>> It's just to me it's just the most
00:54:52
natural. It's just you you have films
00:54:55
that's 24 fps. It's just run more
00:54:56
natural.
00:54:57
>> Mhm.
00:54:58
>> To me that's just I just like it like
00:55:00
>> valid. Valid. Okay.
00:55:01
>> Valid.
00:55:02
>> All right. You know. Well, okay. So, the
00:55:04
pre-production stuff,
00:55:07
our pre-production is uh we've gotten it
00:55:09
pretty streamlined over the years, which
00:55:11
is very exciting to me. Someone who
00:55:13
loves efficiency. Um I I talk about the
00:55:16
octopus analogy all the time. I don't
00:55:18
know if you've heard it before, but I
00:55:19
think everyone who starts a YouTube
00:55:21
channel or really any creative endeavor
00:55:23
kind of turns into an octopus where
00:55:25
you're doing a lot. You're on camera.
00:55:26
You're also the editor. you're also uh
00:55:28
managing uh the thumbnails and still
00:55:30
graphics and you're also doing all of
00:55:32
the back end and the emails and the
00:55:33
accounting and you're doing everything
00:55:35
and our job as a creator or a dream is
00:55:38
to be able to like cut an arm off and
00:55:40
like hand it to someone and have a small
00:55:42
team around you that can kind of help
00:55:44
with doing the things that they're
00:55:45
really good at and we've done that which
00:55:47
is really exciting. Uh so I can do my
00:55:49
job which is writing testing the tech.
00:55:52
Uh so I find that that's been you know
00:55:54
my best way of visualizing it. Uh, that
00:55:57
said, 30 fps is definitely the move. And
00:56:00
I'll tell you why.
00:56:02
>> It looks So, I I used to do a lot of uh
00:56:06
slow pans in my videos and a lot of
00:56:08
little slow orbits in videos, especially
00:56:10
cuz I'm trying to show you a gadget or a
00:56:12
thing
00:56:13
>> so you can see it before you hold it.
00:56:16
And anything under 30 to my eye when I
00:56:20
start doing those slow pans, I start
00:56:22
seeing a little bit of shutter, a little
00:56:25
bit of stutter. And that was enough for
00:56:27
me to go, okay, I can't do 24. It's got
00:56:29
to be at least 30. Then the argument for
00:56:31
like 60 and above 30 comes in. And that
00:56:35
looks a little bit surreal and video
00:56:37
gamey to me. So that's how I land on 30
00:56:40
being the like ultimate perfect tech
00:56:42
review frame rate. If I ever do a short
00:56:44
film, I might reconsider, but I'm
00:56:46
probably going to default to 30.
00:56:48
Probably probably going to stick.
00:56:49
>> I started doing 30 for the exact same
00:56:50
reason because good fluid heads that
00:56:52
were affordable for a college student
00:56:53
did not exist. Yep.
00:56:55
>> Uh and I just saw this kind of jumpiness
00:56:57
and my now my take, which I heard from
00:57:00
someone else, so I'm just jacking it
00:57:01
from them, is that uh TV is 30 and
00:57:04
YouTube is TV, so YouTube should be 30.
00:57:08
>> I'll throw one more really quick thing
00:57:09
in there. Pre-production, uh, we have
00:57:12
we're really efficient with just because
00:57:13
of we've all been doing it for so long
00:57:15
now. Post-production, one thing we're
00:57:17
really trying to work on lately is we
00:57:18
have so many videos coming out of our
00:57:20
studio because of the different
00:57:21
channels, we're really trying to have
00:57:23
multiple eyes on it as much as possible
00:57:25
because just when you're you're hitting
00:57:27
upload, it's going out to millions of
00:57:29
people. We just need to catch things.
00:57:31
And one thing we're really trying to
00:57:32
work on is factchecking, making sure
00:57:34
we're not breaking embargos and stuff.
00:57:36
Just lots of different things in there.
00:57:38
Um, other than that, if you haven't
00:57:40
watched Year in the Life yet, it
00:57:41
definitely has a lot of our
00:57:42
pre-production stuff in there.
00:57:43
>> It's It's been in because, you know,
00:57:45
we're not we don't make a lot of those
00:57:47
mistakes as period. But as we've ramped
00:57:50
up all the different channels and we're
00:57:51
making so much more stuff, it's been
00:57:53
this unexpected like, oh, this is
00:57:54
actually going to take a lot more time
00:57:56
than we we would have expected.
00:57:58
>> Um, can I just get a quick time check,
00:57:59
guys?
00:58:00
>> 523. Perfect. Question back here.
00:58:03
>> Sweet. Thank you guys so much. Uh, I've
00:58:05
been a fan since middle school. to put
00:58:07
things in perspective. I graduated
00:58:08
college 4 years ago. Um
00:58:11
I guess I'm monk now. Um my question is
00:58:15
what's your guys thoughts on how
00:58:17
successful Android XR is going to be? Do
00:58:18
you think it's going to be have a
00:58:20
similar marketplace like Meta Ray
00:58:22
Bangler or is it going to be something
00:58:24
like Vision OS which no one really uses?
00:58:27
>> Hey, they just did the flight simulator
00:58:29
thing. Anyone see that? No. No.
00:58:31
>> XR. Are we talking about like the
00:58:33
>> the OS? the oh the whole OS and like
00:58:36
thinking of going into glasses and stuff
00:58:37
like that later.
00:58:38
>> Yeah, I think the Google Glass 2 3
00:58:42
actually because they already did Google
00:58:44
S2 is going to use this. I think Android
00:58:46
XR is just going to be similar to
00:58:48
Android where it needs to be able to fit
00:58:50
a number of different form factors. I
00:58:53
think there'll be a very small use case
00:58:55
for like the VR goggles, but ultimately
00:58:56
what they want to look forward to is the
00:58:59
regular glasses. That's what everyone is
00:59:01
realizing now is going to be like the
00:59:03
future use case. I think the the reason
00:59:06
that Google has not actually released
00:59:07
anything yet is because it wants to skip
00:59:09
over the whole step that Apple kind of
00:59:11
stumbled over. You know, Apple thought,
00:59:13
oh, we can just put you in a VR headset
00:59:15
that's sort of also the world around
00:59:17
you, but we should just have like a
00:59:19
clear glasses display with extra
00:59:21
information, ambient information. What
00:59:23
Google Glass 1 was in the first place,
00:59:26
just want to say there were 10 years too
00:59:28
early. Um, but yeah, I think I don't
00:59:31
know as a platform I think it's going to
00:59:33
be more about that singular use case
00:59:35
even though Google is always about
00:59:36
making one platform able to jump around
00:59:39
to multiple different circumstances.
00:59:41
>> Yeah, I think just for that reason alone
00:59:43
the ceiling for it is higher than Vision
00:59:44
OS because there's the philosophy of
00:59:47
like make this incredible headset that
00:59:48
you are in all the time and then make it
00:59:50
smaller and smaller and smaller and
00:59:51
smaller or start with something like
00:59:53
glasses and then make it more and more
00:59:55
capable and more and more capable. And
00:59:57
it turns out the glasses thing is what
00:59:59
people are more gravitating towards. So
01:00:01
I think we're going to see more of that.
01:00:03
>> Do we have time for one more?
01:00:04
>> 3 minutes.
01:00:05
>> All right.
01:00:07
>> Maybe two.
01:00:07
>> Hi Nesh.
01:00:08
>> Nice to see you again. And that's a
01:00:10
whole different deep cut alto together.
01:00:12
>> Yeah.
01:00:12
>> Good seeing you again.
01:00:13
>> Yeah. Uh first of all, I wanted to say
01:00:16
that you guys said a lot of stuff about
01:00:17
the vision uh the MacBook ultra last
01:00:20
year and the other series stuff. So you
01:00:23
said that last year on South by stage,
01:00:24
it happened this year. So maybe I think
01:00:26
you should say things so Apple add that
01:00:28
to the development pipeline for next
01:00:29
year.
01:00:30
>> So that might be a thing. What I wanted
01:00:31
to ask is that we have a lot of phones
01:00:34
with AI now almost every phone and every
01:00:36
company is trying to do different things
01:00:38
mostly with Gemini and yesterday also
01:00:41
the Gemini integration for phone use
01:00:43
came out yesterday morning.
01:00:45
>> So how much of that stuff do you
01:00:46
actually use in your day-to-day and has
01:00:48
it helped you or made things worse for
01:00:50
you?
01:00:52
>> Yeah, I think Gemini is quite useful. um
01:00:55
in kind of all of its contexts. Right
01:00:57
now, the actual phone use thing is only
01:01:00
on the S26 Ultra right now. So, only
01:01:02
people who have that phone can even try
01:01:04
it. And I think right now it's still
01:01:06
limited to like calling an Uber and
01:01:08
doing Uber Eats.
01:01:09
>> Pixels too, I think.
01:01:10
>> Is it on Pixels?
01:01:11
>> Pixels are going to get or it might be
01:01:12
out for Pixels as well. Yeah.
01:01:14
>> Yeah. So, I I think Gemini is just kind
01:01:17
of trying to entrench itself into all of
01:01:19
Google. like they've said multiple times
01:01:21
that Gemini is basically the new OS and
01:01:24
I think we're seeing that every new
01:01:25
Android launch is just about Gemini and
01:01:27
it will become the entire platform. So
01:01:30
whether or not you want to start using
01:01:32
AI in your phone, it's just going to be
01:01:34
the phone at a certain period of time.
01:01:36
Whether or not we actually, you know,
01:01:38
just go let it buy something on Amazon
01:01:40
for you without actually checking it
01:01:41
first, that's going to be a whole
01:01:43
different story that we're probably
01:01:44
going to cover in length once we get
01:01:46
there. I think after about Gemini.
01:01:50
>> Yeah.
01:01:51
>> Yeah.
01:01:52
>> Yeah. I don't use a lot of AI stuff. I'm
01:01:54
still I feel like it's making my regular
01:01:56
Google Home worse because I just feel
01:01:59
like they forgot about all of that
01:02:00
stuff. But uh
01:02:01
>> yeah, I use the Gemini stuff a little
01:02:03
bit to brainstorm. It's just fun to chat
01:02:05
with a brainstorm like an early video
01:02:07
concept. Can we do one more and 115?
01:02:09
>> My the action button on my phone uh
01:02:12
opens uh does a claw chat. It's uh it's
01:02:14
here. Do we have time for one more in
01:02:16
the background? Rapid fire. Let's rapid
01:02:18
fire. Let's go. One more. Yeah.
01:02:20
>> Yeah.
01:02:20
>> Uh, quick question. What are your guys'
01:02:22
predictions for the PC space by 2030?
01:02:25
How are people going to use personal
01:02:27
computers?
01:02:28
>> Depends on pricing probably at this
01:02:30
point.
01:02:33
>> It's kind of wild seeing how much Apple
01:02:35
has gained ground in the last two or
01:02:38
three years. Microsoft is, you know,
01:02:40
they're kind of just forfeiting a lot of
01:02:42
the personal computer space to Apple.
01:02:44
And Microsoft is really really
01:02:46
entrenched in the business
01:02:48
communications side of things and with
01:02:49
the with server sales and things like
01:02:51
that and obviously Lenovo issues tons
01:02:54
and tons of computers to different
01:02:56
industries but um I don't know it just
01:02:58
seems like they don't care as much about
01:02:59
the consumer side and the there's a huge
01:03:03
shift that's happening um in the
01:03:05
personal computer side overall.
01:03:07
>> What?
01:03:07
>> One minute warning. Can we do one more
01:03:09
right here?
01:03:10
>> Okay. I think this is the last one. Last
01:03:12
one.
01:03:12
>> Yep.
01:03:13
>> Okay. Hello. Um, so
01:03:16
YouTube and other platforms have been
01:03:19
trying to push more AI production tools
01:03:22
into their platforms. Um, and I think
01:03:25
the general consensus of actual content
01:03:29
watchers don't really like to engage
01:03:31
with AI content. So my question is, who
01:03:35
do you assume is actually consuming AI
01:03:37
content? I know that we've seen um like
01:03:40
Open AI try to make uh like slob content
01:03:44
of a of a platform. So, who do you think
01:03:47
is actually watching this AI content or
01:03:50
are they just trying to grasp at straws
01:03:52
and and hoping something sticks?
01:03:54
>> I can I can sort of end it with my take
01:03:57
on the AI content thing. I think I think
01:03:59
the shape of AI content is one of these
01:04:02
of like viewership of it. I think right
01:04:04
now it's ramping up really quickly
01:04:06
because the tools are super available
01:04:07
and the barrier to entry is super low
01:04:10
and it's super novel. So people see an
01:04:12
AI video and they go, "Oh my god, this
01:04:13
is AI." And they actually watch it and
01:04:15
they share it and it's interesting and
01:04:16
it's spiking. But I do also think, and
01:04:19
maybe this is naive and it won't play
01:04:20
out the way I think. But I think that
01:04:22
people will ultimately want to watch
01:04:25
humanmade stuff. They value the human
01:04:28
connection. They want the effort that a
01:04:30
human puts into something and they want
01:04:31
to reward that and watch that. and
01:04:33
that's more interesting. And I think
01:04:34
once we get over the novelty hump, I
01:04:37
think content, whether it's vlogs or
01:04:39
reviews or whatever it is, starts to be
01:04:42
prioritized as like I want to watch the
01:04:44
human version and then it goes to the
01:04:45
other side of that. That's what I think.
01:04:47
>> The personal connections.
01:04:49
>> Yeah.
01:04:49
>> Yeah.
01:04:51
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