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here yo what is up people of the internet welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts
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I'm Marquez I'm Andrew and I'm David we're all back we're back it's good time uh we've got quite a mixed bag this week
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I'm I got to ask can I can I turn my headphones down a little more I think I asked for was yeah oh that's perfect
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that's way better okay uh we're going to check out the new Macbook Air that's should I start over that was your Slim
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Shady I kind of liked it but now that you asked yeah nothing phone 2A is out
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and all the official specs and the review are out and also rivian are too CU it's you know it's the Wave It's The
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Wave form podcast and then we got to wrap it up with a quick interview of some open AI researchers talking about
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Sora a little bit of exclusive information and some fun processed stuff from the people at open AI but
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first Samsung might make a ring maybe you need to pose the question because I
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think we briefly talked about the Samsung event had like this ring at the end but then we were getting water the
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other day and you just said to me what's the difference between the Samsung ring and the Galaxy home honest
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question and I was like well the Samsung ring is definitely going to come out it's like pretty obvious there's or
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Rings we've seen them all a lot like blah blah blah and then your argument was well when when the Galaxy home was
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announced there were lots of other Home speaker things that existed already
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there I just feel like there's a surprising amount of parallels if you just look at the way this ring was
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announced I'm not saying it's not coming out I just think it's funny that there's a lot of parallels between this ring announcement and the Bixby home that's
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what I'm calling it it's a it's a Galaxy home but the Galaxy home was like teased
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at the end of an announcement from some other product and then they had like a bunch of rows of them and you got to see
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it but it wasn't working and I think some people took videos of it but they couldn't like actually demo it and then it was just gone for a while and then we
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saw it at CES remember like a couple weeks later it was like on a a wall full of them yeah and then guess what this
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galaxy this ring and then and then they had it at Samsung developer conference which I went to only to see the Galaxy
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home so and it was fully working they had full units available to use yeah I
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made a whole video a Hands-On video from it for Android authority one of the few yeah one of the very few um and the
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Galaxy ring is in the similar position where I think someone got Hands-On time with it recently I think at CES and
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posted a Hands-On um article about it yeah but it's that's not further than
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the Galaxy home guy I was going to say it was it's the same timeline of number one it was announced as a blip teaser
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with no info at the end of a different product announcement I think it was s24 right we got this ring at the very end
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MH and that was it was super short it was like a 10-second circle on the screen oh they're making a ring cool I
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was just going to say that was less of a ring more of like a shadow of a circle it was a pure teaser but then again at
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mwc a few weeks later at a trade show we got to see them again some people got to
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see the ring and it was like okay it's it's real they're going to make it we
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don't have any more information about price or how it works or anything like that or I don't think we even have a name but they're going to make a ring
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and here we are again so yeah yeah I don't know how much it'll cost or what
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the features are differentiating things will be but it does kind of feel like it's the same question mark this is not
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dissimilar to air power either it was kind of the like we've got another cool
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thing yeah although air power they didn't even show off they just like talked about it once never again and
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then years later it was confirmed it was being like canned so the weird thing about Galaxy home is Samsung never
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addressed it like it just got canell internally but they did make a mini a
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home mini for South Korea but then did that come out yeah in South Korea only just in South Korea I think so so
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they're just hoping we forgot about the other one basically yeah and then this uh you can buy it on eBay yeah can we
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buy the mini one yeah you can buy it there's nothing about it feeling like it says AKG on it oh no yeah but it's in a
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Samsung packaging yeah Sam should buy this Samsung owns Harman Carden which
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owns the licensing samung owns owns everything I didn't know they own Harman
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card I know yeah boy wow Samsung I feel like if there's speakers in your car
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they're owned by Samsung well Harmon Carden is popular in cars AKG is a sub
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brand of Harman Cardon bno though is owned by LG uh no it's not cut that bno is also
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different from Bowers and Wilkins yes right so there's and and JBL is owned by
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Samsung as well right really yeah no no so they're owned by Harman Carden okay so it's an umbrella like audio like Pro
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Audio companies are very rarely independently owned anymore they're all
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companies wait Harmon card's owned by Harmon internation oh B bno is owned by
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Harmon International which is owned by Samsung what yeah yeah no no there
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there's like almost no independent players in the game anymore which is also sad because like a lot of the
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companies that are under the Harmon umbrella uh lexicon being one of them like lexicon was this really cool ' 80s
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and 90s companies that only made brilliant Reverb all they did and now they're just like a a slap slap the name
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on it yeah still independent Brook shout out to gr Harmon International completed
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the acquisition in 2015 wow that's depressing that's what I'm saying you car speakers I feel like so many car
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speakers are like bang OLS and JBL har they're just all Sam all Samsung wow
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that's actually brilliant like buy really high-end audio Brands and just like license the naming but actually
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just be Samsung that's crazy yeah wow there's a couple out there there's the Meridian there's Bose there's some
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others but so why don't they just buy Aura the the ring the aura ring so
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that's the thing about a ring come on Samsung it's a it's a decently well-known already uh category of
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product we we kind of know what a smart ring is and or is the dominant player so
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I guess Samsung's choices were we make our own we basically do all the same stuff and people see the Samsung one on
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the shelf and just go oh a Samsung one we'll buy that instead of some Aura thing we've never heard of yeah or they
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buy Aura and get all of those customers people who love the brand and I don't
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know but please leave it alone unlike Google did with Fitbit yeah Google Fitbit story is one to when Marque and I
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were talking about this he like brought up all those points and I couldn't make the argument against it as much as I
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believe the Samsung ring is going to proba yeah and and then he was like well why would someone want this over an AA
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ring and I was like well because it'll fit into S Health easier like if they're in the ecosystem that might be better
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and then the first thing I was like well it makes more sense if they do that on like Google who has to be in this stupid
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Fitbit app now when it makes so much more sense than just being Google fit but yep yep yeah so I don't know I still
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think this I think you still think this is going to come out I'm talking myself into yes it'll still eventually come out
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but I really don't really have any info I think it's much less common that products get announced well Hardware
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products from major companies get announced and don't end up coming out so it probably will just based on president
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but there is a chance mhm there is a chance that it just never ships this still feels like an easier product than
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cuz I mean this probably is almost exactly the same as the AA ring if we're being honest like and just in Samsung
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ecosystem which makes a ton of sense so I mean I guess at the same time so is the Bigby home yeah but it looked cool
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they've got the tiny one Korea we have to buy this right can I send this to Alex right now I'm putting it on my
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to-do list I'm spoiler which one I'm sending this to Alex I'm putting this to
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Alex right now okay well hey speaking of easy products Apple refreshed the MacBook
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Air what really I thought that was a good segue you missed this this it didn't really hit like I was hoping it
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would was do it again do it again but speaking of easy products Apple just refreshed the MacBook Air no way I don't
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get it wait when yesterday it's the it's the same laptop with the new chip I'm
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not joking yesterday no yeah they released it yesterday yeah yesterday they have a press release BR we were at
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the event well yeah we were in California but no we do we have a new M3
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MacBook Air refresh for 2024 previously I mean this is It's really the easiest
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product of all time previously we had the M2 MacBook Air which was the new design and then we had the M1 MacBook
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Air which was the old design M2 was $199 right and then M1 was the $999 laptop
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all they did ready is just slot in the new M3 chip to where the M2 MacBook Air
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was so that's now $199 they bumped down the M2 MacBook Air to 999 and they
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discontinue the M1 MacBook Air love to see it cool yeah moving on
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that was great no they they didn't really change anything else and I think that's actually maybe my biggest complaint well there are a couple small
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things yes go for it number one now you can have two external displays when you close the laptop small detail uh you can
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only do that with a laptop closed yeah which is so yes you can support now two
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external displays from the MacBook Air with the M3 chip thanks to the better
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chip but it doesn't do three so you can't have the MacBook Air screen on and
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two displays at once you have to have it closed which means you can't use the keyboard and trackpad built in I asked
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Apple you can't oh really can't use it open with the screen off so you also need an external keyboard and trackpad
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or mouse or whatever to use this but I accept that challenge there is definitely a way I remember found a way
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to like with one line of terminal code like make your laptop not sleep or something the problem was is that it I
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still don't know if that would enable the keyboard and mouse though so like I'm sure there's a way you could have the laptop open and the screen off with
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some code but would the the keyboard and trackpad still work that's just two more lines of code turn back off what if we
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just made our own computer what if you just decapitate a MacBook Air I was like
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the Headless those are for the Mac the MacBook Pros I think they were like the Headless ones so did that for Vision Pro
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as well it should that's it's going to come back for the Vision Pro I feel like doesn't have to recognize is the screen
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of it though no just the chip cuz the Vision Pro oh it just has to be close to it yeah oh yeah cool it's pretty
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impressive actually that's a great setup yeah that's it's mirroring the screen so
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it thinks the screen is on yeah yeah uh other change they added an
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anodization thing to the midnight color so it gets less fingerprints so it's more like the midnight black M3 MacBook
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Pro so less fingerprints on the midnight and there's also Wi-Fi 6
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e wow nice it's a RI I this is like this is
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getting to the point where every time like one of these gets released it's just cool that you can get the previous
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version cheaper like the I always thought when the M2 came out that 1099 was like it's kind of pricey for that
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laptop and I think they want like they still kept the M1 round for $9.99 but when you see the old design for $9.99
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and then you see the new design sitting next to it I think Apple big jum Apple's big thing is yeah there's a base price
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but you don't want the Bas price one you want the so that so the $9.99 entry point for a Mac for the Mac laptop
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MacBook Air would immediately be right right next to the new design for $199 so I always thought that one was a little overpriced so now that that one's $9.99
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I think that's great I will also say the graphics update from M2 to M3 is fairly substantial it is Big so for $100 I
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probably would go with the M3 is it it really will be all about what you're doing on the top yeah that's what I was
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going to say if you're do if you're caring about that that much are you looking at an air or a pro well um I
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mean if you have a 15-in air that you just like mostly want to use for productivity but every now and then get a couple games of DOTA to in do you
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think it's worth the GPU Advantage for $100 if you're going to if you are actually going to do that
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once in a while yes but some people will never do that that's true like some people get the laptop and they're like yeah this is the one that I do taxes on
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and like web browsing and emails and they're never going to try to do anything GPU intensive and they should get get the $9.99 laptop and be fine it
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is like a like kind of $1,000 is still expensive despite being cheaper but if someone's willing to spend $1,000 that
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M2 MacBook Air just feels like the easiest laptop to recommend to someone who's not like a computer person to that
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relative that's like what laptop should I get and what you could do is you could get the M2 but upgrade it to the 512
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gabt of storage for $200 so you're paying a little bit more than the Baseline M3 but it's only a little bit
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though talk about that yeah the ram it starts at 8 gigs of RAM and 256 gigs of
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storage my phone does start at that I'm pretty sure Galaxy I mean it's a $1,000
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phone but the s24 ultra has more RAM and storage wait the phone's more expensive
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yeah that's that's also kind of wild complicated and there's been a lot of
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discourse around this because MacBook memory because it's on chip is so freaking fast that swap memory is really
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really good and for a long period of time when the m1's first came out it was like you don't need anything above the base model because the swap memory is so
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good which is mostly true except for the fact that if you use swap memory a lot
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your reading and writing to those cells way more and the longevity of your uh
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hard drive is going to go way down I honestly don't mind the argument for like lighter users yeah I just think 256
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gigs of total storage from a lighter user could be pretty quickly filled up
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maybe if you have like a bunch of iCloud photos backing up I don't I don't know if you remember this but my sister had
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texted me and been like hey I just got a great deal on a Mac Mini the 8 gigabyte
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Mac Mini and there was just a deal that came out where the uh like the 16 gig of
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RAM version with 250 sorry the 256 gig of storage version or whatever the
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second tier storage version was like only5 $50 more than the base model for
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like a week and I was like oh you just bought it return it and buy the the double storage version for barely any
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more money and she was like No And I was like but it's $50 and she was like but I'm never going to fill up 128 gigs and
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I was like how is that possible some people how is that possible some people just never fill up 128 gigs and you know
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what respect respect to no she's like all my photos are in the cloud I don't
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keep files on my computer at all I do everything in a web browser and I'm just like man Chromebook life literally yeah
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that is no that that's totally fair but yeah there are people who are who will quickly fill it up yeah they'll download
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a movie they'll play one game they'll just blast through 256 of storage they'll stream a movie yeah and uh I I
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don't know it's definitely a conversation I don't know if that's worth a whole video or whatever but it is fascinating cuz Apple loves to push
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you up the price ladder with like yeah the Baseline version is a nice tempting price but here's the next option the
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next one next one the next one's a good deal but if you get that one it's only $100 more to the next one it's the pie
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on the window sill just like com one terab this way but for 50 bucks more you
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can get the pro but now you're back to a gigs you like start the ladder again yeah yeah anyway that is a remarkably
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low amount of RAM and storage yeah it's never really clicked I was just going to say when you made the comparison to your
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s24 Ultra I was like yeah hold on the phone 2A has this such a good segue God
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I'm killing it today with segue oh well quick I have to be grateful that we are 256 gigs now and not 128 because it was
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128 for a very long time and that is AB anyway that's crazy continue the nothing
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phone 2A has 12 gigs of RAM and 256 gigs
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of storage and it's $350 wow what's your excuse Apple I think the base model is 8 gigs in 128 oh
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oh so this is the 44 400 something dollar either way it's
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not $1,000 so Apple I'm been waiting for that response uh no this is a nothing
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phone 2A it's their budget phone we reviewed this phone it came out this week it is I think in general a solid
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across theboard budget phone for the price and there's a lot of you know I think budget phones are interesting as I
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said in the video because you always have to find the ways to impress the buyer but then you spent money on that
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so you have to find ways to save money and give them an overall package that's worth the price that will sell and
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different budget phones have different ways of doing that iPhone SE very different Philosophy from Pixel 7A very
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different Philosophy from Moto G very different from Samsung a series and I like this one this is a a
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pretty actually I'll use that word it's a pretty phone a lot of people would disagree uh it's made of plastic it's a
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dimensity 72 200 Pro chip we were talking about this a couple weeks ago wondering how well it perform it's got nothing phone nothing OS
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2.5 uh dual cameras 5,000 mamp battery and it's a big phone and as I used it
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for the past week I really felt like this was comfortably like performing like the $700 nothing phone too really
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really impressed and if if you don't play any like super hardcore games you'll find the battery life is great
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the performance is smooth and the pictures suck but that's okay cuz I didn't buy it for the camera suck are we
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saying suck yeah they're not great they're like C minus C minus pictures
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cus sometimes they're F cuz like I'll take photos that are I'll be walking like have a a shutter speed that I need
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to be a little bit faster and I'll take a low light photo and it's just a blurry disgusting mess I'm like well that's useless but sometimes it's pretty decent
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I can deal with that sorry I do think like I love that they kind of cheaped out on the cameras and made everything
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else baller I want more phones like that cuz I feel like all phone manufactur at
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this point spend all the money on making the cameras like as highend as good as possible love good cameras I don't give
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a crap about my phone's camera quality you who does you like other cameras though not everybody can carry both you
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literally own like cameras so for you but for you it's perfect yes I just want
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do you want to use it that phone yeah I I would use it you ditch your iPhone um
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for a bit when RCS comes out I will okay you got RCS right here but it doesn't support glyph
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composer you mean the iPhone unfortunately it's weird no 2A oh not yet it it's just buggy didn't work for
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me which is weird that's fine but yeah a lot of other things are awesome about it yeah I'm just say I like if you want me
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to I will as soon as RCS drops I'm switching back to an Android phone David
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will never use that you heard it here first I will use it for at least 24 hours the time is getting lower and
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lower throughout this conversation for 24 hours I will hold it in my I'll probably get a foldable or a Zen phone
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um 10 or something yeah yeah yeah the dimensity 7200 Pro was the the big
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question mark for me going into this cuz I haven't used a phone with this chip yet and I came straight from s24 Ultra
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into this phone and a lot of times I have to like calibrate a little longer when I go from a ,000 phone to a $300 phone this felt smooth and right at home
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like all the time it was only stuttery like super super early when you first fire up the phone and then smooth so
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yeah nice good job Carl Pace says that the men 7200 Pro is a bespoke chip that
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they worked with mediatech on right cuz it's not in yeah the pro at the end of the name right well and he made it very
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clear that it before every anyone knew he was like it is not the demens city
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7200 the next day technically true the best kind of true yeah kind of like how this phone does not run a Snapdragon H
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gen3 cuz it's a Snapdragon 8 J 4 Galaxy great branding love branding it's
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like it's like McDonald's Sprite the same stuff but just it's a little juicier for real what everything
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in McDonald's hits harder juicier it's because they have more syrup right yeah McDonald's they add just like a little
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bit more syrup in the Sprite Fountain that's why McDonald's Coke well Coke too right I think everyone says a McDonald's
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Coke hits harder is Sprite not the meme I thought it was coke it's been a while since I had McDonald's this supposed to
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be common knowledge probably not I've never heard of this it it's right next to that their ice cream machines never
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were well they don't see you know though yeah yeah yeah yeah oh that's that's great I think it's a I think it's a
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reasonable reader digest March 4th 2022 let's trust that title here's why a
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Sprite at McDonald's taste so good okay I don't have enough Sprite I wrote McDonald's Coke in Google first article
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there's a reason McDonald's Coke tastes better than all others huh sorry guys sugar is the
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answer to all of it look if I ran restaurant chaining you just gave me syrup and I could choose the ratios I
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would try to optimize it I would try to go hard of course going back to the phone yes sorry no I don't think anyone
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wants to start I was just going to say when we were first talking about renders David and I were very into the renders
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that's right seeing it in person I'm less than impressed it's weird it looks
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really good when Brandon has it behind the camera other than that can I see
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real quick everything looks good it very true very true it is very glossy in this
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and especially with the Black Version you can just see fingerprints I know people hate saying fingerprint magnet
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but dear Lord this is it is I will say it's more it it keeps fingerprints more
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than glass like this clear plastic I like that they leaned in cuz there's a lot of there's a lot of plastic phones at this price but I'll like wipe it off
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and I'll look at it and glass would normally be clean and this phone still has like these these like streaks on it
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so it doesn't clean As Nice and I don't like the camera bump I thought the cameras were going to be like flush with
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it and instead it has just this weird kind of like Dome with the twoe with the world on this one really I think the
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camera bump is great no yeah I everyone hates it and I think it's perfectly good
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and this is what I want to say about well you're wrong but sorry this is what I want to say about the whole thing though is I if you can look past the
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like glossiness of it the design on the back is really cool unfortunately I'm nearsighted so oh can't look past
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it that's all I can see okay um I think the design with all the wires and the
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glyphs and the circles are all really cool I think it looks better on the white I would like to see the White Version we don't have a white version in
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house and I really want to get I think the red looks like it pops way better on that and everything looks way more like
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you can see it easier because of the black glossy when this is at an angle you can't even see all the cool features you know what I think I think the white
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not only looks better in photos and videos I think you'd see less fingerprints on agree I think the white version would nothing please send us a
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white one there was a really funny comment on our video that was like nothing Marquez loves Matt Black we're going to send him the Black Version he's
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going to love this and then the first thing he says is like I think the white looks better some people put me in a box
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but you'd be surprised how many light mode apps I got going on I was just going to say you are now switching everything to light mode almost almost
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everything I didn't I look I like dark mode I like Matt black things but sometimes light mode hits pretty have
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you ever been under your covers before I have light mode under your C okay if I
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have the biggest the biggest problem with the iPhone 15 Pro mhm is that the minimum brightness is too darn High
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really yes because now a lot of Android phones get so freaking di also my my uh
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Nest tuub mini that those things get so dim it can be pitch black and you can be
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like the screen is on yeah they're incredible that's cuz it's supposed to live next to your bed right I have to
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say my s24 I love it because when the lights are all out it goes to the lowest brightness
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and I'm like that's a little bright and then you can take the automatic lowest brightness and just basically turn it off and it's like super super dim and
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it's so nice especially when Lane's sleeping like right at the other side of that's what makes it okay to have light
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mode at night because the screen actually gets dim but if you're in light mode with a screen that doesn't get dim enough light mode seems like the worst
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thing ever so I get I totally get it um yeah we work in a brightly lit studio so like dark mode is actually sometimes
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fatiguing on the eyes I was using I think it was notion in dark mode with white text it might have been notion but
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it might been something else but I was reading it and I looked away from my monitor after a while like that was
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unpleasant to read like I'm switching back to light mode wow just throwing it out there you know what I learned
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recently so I was in my Gmail I have it in what I thought was dark mode and then
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I put in the like sidebar tasks like calendar and tasks and everything is white and then I tweeted about it and
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somebody said no you're not in dark mode you're just in a Black theme it's not actually dark mode it's just a color
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theme so there isn't even a Gmail dark mode I don't think oh really so that's why it's not or why people think it's
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not actually like matching the it should still match the theme I don't know how that's not true but yeah it's just Dark
00:26:19
theme they do call it dark theme though which is weird sorry oh yeah right Dark theme dark Okay Google fired that team
00:26:26
the naming team and the tasks team apparently Google task gets updated like
00:26:31
once every five years with like two new features and it gets left alone again I just want to say okay quickly back to
00:26:37
the phone yeah again how dare you there's a phone here wow um
00:26:43
349 I feel I had feelings about that price because when the pixel 4 a came
00:26:49
out the pixel 4 a was the best $349 phone that had ever come out in my
00:26:54
opinion yes beautiful wonderful awesome aome plastic no wireless charging exact
00:27:00
same freaking phone with the blue accent button don't forget yes with the blue accent button was uh the and the thing
00:27:07
that made the pixel 4 a so good is that Google software like the the pixel
00:27:13
software is so good that like you didn't need a flagship chip when everything was all aie anyway the the voice to the text
00:27:21
voice to text yes it's so good the like assistant stuff was so good the screen was a nice OLED this is kind of the same
00:27:28
situation yeah modernized yeah it's 120 HZ now it's got a thinner bezels and
00:27:34
everything nothing phone o nothing OS 2.5 is like very stylized and kind of fast and fluid and you're just swapping
00:27:41
the pixel camera on a cheaper phone for a pretty back lights that's true that's
00:27:47
the main bad thing which I'm I again I do like the design I'm just upset about the gloss over top of it that makes it
00:27:53
harder to see yeah and the camera bump sucks yeah totally fair yeah disagree it's and the pixel 4 was also tiny which
00:28:00
was nice this is big agreed this is didn't you say this is bigger than a iph than the iPhone 15 Pro Max it's it's
00:28:06
almost the size of the s24 ultra it's like a 6.7 in screen yeah we could talk
00:28:11
for years about the size of phones but we'll probably get to that eventually later uh we just take a quick break
00:28:16
though because we got a bunch more to talk about before we do that let's do
00:28:24
trivia there's a comment saying when are you going to get to stop on the long pause and just go let's
00:28:30
get toia I like one word I will start doing that but I won't tell you when
00:28:35
thanks yeah random comment there thank you for that all right first question that Ellis just beefed up with a nice
00:28:42
little hint that I'll give you too Samsung just sof launched the Samsung ring but they've got some stiff
00:28:48
competition mainly the aura ring what country is the aura ring company based
00:28:54
in hint it's the same country that originally gave the World Angry
00:29:00
Birds yeah Poland why what about Poland says Angry
00:29:06
Birds it just feels right you know I just I remember the name of the company that made Angry Birds I recently played
00:29:12
Angry Birds to tell you that no were you there for that no oh I just pulled up the Galaxy S1 for our video on every
00:29:19
Samsung phone and Angry Birds was installed cuz whoever we bought it from had Angry Birds on it and I played Angry
00:29:24
Birds the Galaxy S2 had this like where you could load up like guns and like
00:29:30
point the camera at people and shoot people and blood Would S was it the S1 or S2 unironically I heard that the
00:29:37
Angry Birds movie and the Angry Birds 2 movie actually I heard that the second was better went pretty hard nice so so
00:29:44
you're pumped for three they probably if you had to pick a movie Angry Birds 2 or Dune 2 what would you pick I haven't
00:29:51
seen Dune one and I think Angry Words 2 would make more sense than Dune two agreed yeah
00:29:58
we'll have the answers at the end and we'll be right [Music]
00:30:08
back yo what's up wfor Marquez here reporting live from a totally different city but I just got to see something
00:30:15
pretty cool so you might remember a couple months ago we had RJ CEO of rivian on the waveform podcast where we
00:30:21
talked about r1t their electric pickup truck and r1s their electric SUV which I
00:30:26
like very much both of them very premium all-wheel drive electric vehicles with
00:30:32
this Adventure theme and if you remember during that interview RJ actually snuck in a mention of R2 coming soon which is
00:30:38
their next Generation platform we have a smaller set of products creatively we call R2 R3 um but they move into
00:30:46
different form factors obviously different sizes and the goal of those is to continue to take the essence of what
00:30:52
we've done here in terms of you know can fit your gear your your kids your pets uh do it in a really you sort of refined
00:30:59
and fun way but in different packages and in smaller form factors and that's
00:31:05
what I just got to see they had an event today they revealed the new R2 which is just one vehicle and it's an SUV that is
00:31:12
a slightly smaller slightly cheaper slightly less capable but still very
00:31:18
rivan electric SUV there's a bunch of different trims but the idea is it
00:31:23
starts at $45,000 it has a single dual or triple motor trim it's smaller in
00:31:28
every Dimension to the r1s I think it's most similar to like a model y it's two
00:31:34
rows now and it looks very much the same as you'd expect it's got the same face the same tail lights oh and by the way
00:31:41
they also had a one more thing which was R3 and r3x which is even further down
00:31:47
the line so R2 is 2026 and R3 is some unknown time after that with an even
00:31:52
cheaper even smaller but possibly even sportier combo Vehicles so I'm curious
00:31:59
what your guys reactions are for these cool so that was Marquez out in California he's not here right now cuz
00:32:06
he got to see it a little ahead of time but um that's the R2 and the R3 and the r3x apparently a little way more than
00:32:13
what we were expecting but I know we've been excited about R2 for a long time yeah I'm excited about R3 for a long
00:32:19
time yeah you've been excited for R3 before R3 is a thing yes you're a hipster R3 or I'm always a hipster baby
00:32:25
let's go that's my thing like to see it but um yeah R2 specs I'm super interested in and we kind of have some
00:32:32
of them here uh what we do know is that it starts at 45,000 there will be a
00:32:37
single dual and a triple motor version um nacs charging which is on the back
00:32:43
right now instead of the front left I believe which sounds is that where Tesla's is or Tesla's back left Tesla's
00:32:50
is back right is it back left back back left you
00:32:56
back left I don't know man but I mean I don't you own a Tesla yeah but remember when you're like in a gas car and you
00:33:03
look at you you look at your speedometer the side on it's because I still can't remember I still have to remember yeah
00:33:09
well but by by so this is also coming out in 2026 so by that time hopefully the Tesla charging thing will be not the
00:33:16
like Park in the opposite spot time New York is going to be underwater and it's I need an our boat please rivan come on
00:33:25
um there will a triple motor version that's 0 to 16 under 3 seconds no more storage under the seats two glove boxes
00:33:33
Checkmate Fisker um still has a flashlight in the door no Bluetooth speaker power opening front trunk but
00:33:40
not power closing by the way when he when he says no Bluetooth speaker he doesn't mean no Bluetooth speakers in
00:33:45
the car he means the rivan R1 and r1t and r1s have this like camping speaker that's like under the center console
00:33:52
that's very cool that you can take with you clarification yeah yeah very good clarification that would have been
00:33:57
hilarious like of course it has Bluetooth um but I do think that's like one of the things RJ said a while ago is
00:34:03
that it should still have the feel of what everyone loved from rivan and I would argue the Bluetooth speaker was
00:34:09
one of those things so I think most people would assume it's in there I'm totally fine with it not being in there
00:34:15
I'm much more happy that there's a front trunk that was something I was worried about I'm much more happy about having a flashlight there I think that they
00:34:22
included all of these small things that are sort of like getting people excited about the and making it feel like the BR
00:34:29
actually has like an identity and a soul right like you can do these really really small things like I'm sure those
00:34:34
Bluetooth speakers even though they're like bespoke probably cost them like $30 a unit yeah the flashlights probably
00:34:39
cost them like $3 a unit it probably cost more for the flashlight to be fitted into the door than it does for
00:34:45
the actual flashlight I mean maybe you design it a spec and you make a million of them yeah but yeah it's it's kind of
00:34:50
interesting to me I kind of agree that it's that seems like a very low cost thing that they're cutting um and it
00:34:57
seems like something they should keep on all the cars just to keep the like Vibe agreed I wonder if the speaker at least
00:35:03
the exact speaker since this is a bit shorter than the actual than the r1s and
00:35:09
r1t um like I wonder what that console inside is really looking like it maybe there's just not enough space to fit in
00:35:15
there although you obviously could make a smaller speaker but that's another product another skew number they need which is annoying and whatever I don't
00:35:22
need the Bluetooth speaker all of us have a Bluetooth speaker at this point that we could just bring by ourselves um
00:35:27
a couple other cool things though that Marquez seemed pretty pumped about was this new steering wheel he it has like
00:35:34
these two big buttons they're like Wheels almost but ver the Tesla ones are
00:35:40
the same way and he but he said the like haptics on it are fantastic and that like that's a great way to be able to
00:35:46
tell what you're doing without having to look at the screen and figuring all that out I just want to say out of like the
00:35:52
past I don't even know how many cars I feel like that's the most excited I've I've heard him talk about a car feature
00:35:58
he was very much like it's like a PS5 controller yeah that's a really good point what's what's cooler the but are
00:36:04
there wheels on a PS5 controller or does he just mean the haptics he's talking about the haptics of the controller how it's they added that like uh like
00:36:11
pressure sensitive exactly um that's cool that that's kind of cool I'm kind of whatever on it but um the back glass
00:36:19
rolls all the way down that's really cool um oh yeah there's the vent vented sides yes great yeah um I feel like
00:36:27
there's probably people with an r1s that are probably like I wish it had the the vent so the back windows that are kind
00:36:33
of behind they would be where the third row is although this is only a two row they flare out which is like nice to get
00:36:39
some air flow in but also without having the like Windows Down destroying your range and also like making it impossible
00:36:46
to hear anything yeah and then the back glass goes down so that you don't have to open the full trunk so you can either like open the full trunk put all your
00:36:51
stuff in or put the GL put the back glass down and then just slide things
00:36:57
yeah and I I do believe the r1s had the Wind the glass window would go up so you
00:37:02
could do half and half like that but scrolling down is cooler and now isn't a thing above you that feels more like
00:37:10
easily to break it yeah it's always interesting when you release the cheaper products many years later because you
00:37:16
can like add new features and you're like but I want that in my R1 but I could see maybe R1 refresh at
00:37:24
sometime including some of these things I'm sure they'll do that they'll put the s port in there they like a quality of life update that's a really good point
00:37:30
by the time they do an ACS Port I wonder if they add a couple of these small things onto it I would guess they'll
00:37:35
probably do a refresh yeah yeah but um yeah it's so it sounds like the 45,000 base the $45,000 base version is around
00:37:43
260 M of range it's single motor but there are going to be higher trims with over 300 Mi of range and double triple
00:37:51
motor I'm most interest but we don't know like what the prices for those are no no only base model I'm really hoping
00:37:58
50 to 55 can give me dual motor 320 miles of range that would be either way
00:38:06
because it's not going to be out I'm reserving this the absolute millisecond it comes out yeah I think this looks
00:38:12
really cool which by the time this podcast has been out uh you have already reserved I have already reserved it I
00:38:18
just want to I would like to go through the pre-order qualifications that you said you wanted sure so first you said
00:38:24
it needs to be dual motor they have a mot so has dual motor and you're saying if it's 50 to 55 you would pre-order if
00:38:31
it's if it's 60 I'll still do it okay yeah you need 200 miles of range minimum
00:38:36
I said 200 I mean 280 280 sorry oh well dual motor would be 280 well we don't
00:38:41
know exactly oh it definitely higher yeah I think so yeah he said um the Dual
00:38:47
and triple motor have the bigger battery yeah that's over 300 we'll see sometimes adding the other motor takes range away
00:38:53
so I'm hoping it doesn't take too much range away but we don't know how big the the bigger battery is so I'm hoping it would still be around 320 with a dual
00:39:00
motor and then you said under 60k which that's your limit seems like that's if it is 60 you will also pre-order if it
00:39:06
is like a clean 60 it's hitting everything else so that's why I think I so it okay boxy not slanted or crossover
00:39:14
hatchback so yes that is still it I looked at the dimensions of it I don't
00:39:19
have them right in front of me but I can pull them up um it is between it is slightly shorter in terms of height than
00:39:27
the Forester by about an inch or two but it is slightly longer in terms of length
00:39:33
than the Forester so it's almost like between an Outback and a Forester I guess the one thing I'm most worried
00:39:38
about and the reason I picked a Forester over an Outback is when I'm sitting I like my legs to be almost like 90° like
00:39:44
I'm sitting in a chair rather than a lot of cars you sit in are almost like a cockpit where your legs kind of go straight out oh yeah and sitting in an
00:39:51
Outback it's like that since it originated as a station wagon that is the difference between the model 3 and the model one y too exactly the three
00:39:58
you're kind of like sitting like that yeah it's like more like a cockpit and then the Y the chair is raised a lot
00:40:03
higher up and as someone with four knee surgeries I like to just have sit up all the sense I I rented a model y when I
00:40:10
was in LA a few months ago and it was really disorienting really I was not how much was and your last qualification was
00:40:18
it needs to have a frunk it does I was very worried they would take that away because frks don't seem to be a default
00:40:24
thing with an E which I kind of they would agreed a super agree but and sometimes when they have them it's like
00:40:30
it's like an inch of space why do you even add that put put your sixpack in here go um okay dimensions are length is
00:40:38
185. 6 in height is 66.9 in wheel base is
00:40:43
115.6 in so how much smaller than the r1s is this this is a nice little
00:40:50
graphic for it so it's 15 in shorter it is 11 in oh sorry no no it's always hard
00:40:57
to say shorter yeah less long is the better way of putting it uh it is 11 in
00:41:03
shorter and it is the wheelbase is like 6 in tighter okay closer okay um and so
00:41:13
my other semi- worry about this is just like I love how much Headroom I have in my Forester being someone who's 6'2 so
00:41:20
like I'm hoping since it's a little smaller shorter height-wise it'll still
00:41:25
be okay I'm pretty sure it will be but yeah so this checks off everything I think on that list pretty well the front
00:41:32
windshield looks a little more angled than I was hoping I was hoping it'd be a little like straight up um just cuz I
00:41:38
think viewing is better out of stuff like that um but it's still way flat or not as angled as like the cybertruck
00:41:44
which I think is ridiculous um yeah just to throw some shots at cybertruck out there why I can but other than that this
00:41:51
is awesome but there's something else that oh yeah 26 I think I that before that's a little
00:41:58
we still got a lot of time I got plenty of time to throw the reservation in change my mind price is still the same
00:42:04
that's a super good point I I don't think that they'll pull the same move that they did on the r1t and r1s where
00:42:09
they jacked the price up by a ton right before it came out you know what will be interesting is when the reservation thing comes out if there'll be a clause
00:42:15
in there that like this could change at all cuz last time what they did I think they will yeah last time the whole thing
00:42:21
was you reserved and then they tried to jack it up and then they were like H just kidding you reserved at the old
00:42:27
price we'll give you that I get that prices change and like economies change and stuff but it's very frustrating to
00:42:33
give a company a $1,000 interest free loan for two to three years and they get to do whatever they want with it and
00:42:38
then you just have to take your money back if you decide you don't want it agreed I think like it I do understand
00:42:45
like you said prices change but if you are going to take an interest free loan from me like I that's the give and take
00:42:50
here like you you have to deal with the price changing I have to deal with losing money for a while one
00:42:56
last thing another thing what did they say one more thing one more thing okay yeah uh there is an R R3 weren't you
00:43:04
there for that what yeah how did you forget that um I was like
00:43:10
seven I don't know I was 12 years old or something yeah I don't know it's been a long time anyway um yes R3 so this is
00:43:19
the even smaller even more Subaru kind of like Bronco Lancia Delta
00:43:26
yeah it feels Crush treky size if you're looking at Subaru yeah I don't really know for sure how I feel about the vibe
00:43:33
of it really yeah I I kind of want the more angular like actual Subaru looking
00:43:39
car than like a futuristic Subaru looking car okay um but I could probably
00:43:45
deal with it there's not a lot of details about this car almost at all uh just that it's a hatchback basically and
00:43:51
it looks a little bit different and it's got this like slanted back thing going on yeah which I think is kind of
00:43:57
interesting um but if it's a lot cheaper and it still has a lot of like outdoor
00:44:03
kind of Adventure style stuff I think it could be very interesting and I mean everything's going to be NCS by that time too yeah um the R2 is going to ship
00:44:11
with n ACS as well which is awesome yeah and it's we don't have a date for the or even like really it was just a next next
00:44:19
sometime later yeah so I I think it looks really cool it reminds me of like a hatchback like a small hatchback but
00:44:27
as the cross Che is lifted up a little bit versus like the hatchback ineza so but it is way boxier it's got kind of
00:44:34
like a the yeah the slanted back and it has a really strange tail light I don't know if I love that quite as much I wish
00:44:40
I liked the way it looked more than I do I do like how it looks to be honest but I I want something with some more space
00:44:46
it could also definitely change by the time it comes out cuz you can't reserve one they're just showing it off my
00:44:52
thinking is like I really like the way it looks right now I don't know if I'm going to going to like this in 10 years
00:44:57
whenever this comes out cuz it's not coming out anytime soon yeah I don't know 10 years definitely like 5 years
00:45:03
now so like this is a very like style that is in like it's in Vogue right now MH but in 10 years who knows it's
00:45:10
probably just for them to show investors like hey we've got a whole family of EVS coming in the future and please don't
00:45:16
short us so their has not recently it's like $10 right now and IP they IP out at
00:45:23
like 35 I am also wondering if if they're announcing R3 like this which is
00:45:29
not a truck is there the opportunity for the R2 T which would be Maverick sized which
00:45:36
is an extremely popular small truck because maybe we should all realize we don't need Behemoth trucks and can have
00:45:42
the same size bed in a truck that's a regular size I am surprised they're not
00:45:47
doing that yeah because like I don't know in America people love trucks they do they do they love big trucks but also
00:45:55
the Maverick is like insanely popular to the point where it's hard to get and it's a small normalized
00:46:02
truck the Maverick is still a huge truck it's still compared to everything else
00:46:07
in the US it is like okay a big reason a lot of people buy trucks that aren't actually using their beds every day it's
00:46:13
the it's the prepper people it's the but what if my friend needs to move and I could save the day and swoop in your
00:46:20
friend I think we used our fbom quota for the year um no like this is so many
00:46:27
people buy trucks for that specific reason it's a what if what if I need to what if I need to and they use it like
00:46:33
once and they're proud of themselves and then they move on you know so I'm just saying it's a very popular like people
00:46:39
kind of want to buy these small trucks I'm so I'm surprised that they didn't announce an r2t maybe they will in the
00:46:44
future I wonder if it'll come before if it'll ever come or before an R3 probably before R3 yeah but and then they also
00:46:50
showed off the r3x which is a performance version right which at that
00:46:56
point I don't know what pricing would be like on R3 but I'm assuming an r3x with an upgraded performance and more
00:47:02
expensive is probably getting into R2 price probably I would probably say 46 I
00:47:08
I'm wondering what the R3 base price is going to be probably like 36 or
00:47:14
something I could see that even still that's cheap not cheap you know not
00:47:19
cheap but in the E world yeah for sure model 3 pricing but it's bigger so it's closer to model y sort of yeah yeah so I
00:47:29
don't know I'm really pumped about these I can't wait to I will reserve the R2 I think it's awesome it's almost exactly
00:47:36
what I wanted well waiting a long time for that so I'm glad it's finally here did Ellis want to say something I have so much to say but maybe we should just
00:47:43
cut it what is it valuable maybe the first thing is that uh the um I thought
00:47:51
the R3 looks like some of my favorite cars of all time which I'm really stoked
00:47:56
for I think it looks like a l Delta integral dope car I think it looks like a doson 210 also a dope car um so I
00:48:07
think it's going to be a Timeless silhouette Timeless if if it fingers crossed if it comes out I think the non-
00:48:14
Timeless thing is the big tail light on the back which I also could see not actually making it into the final version if we're kind of concept e Vibes
00:48:21
at this point yeah the other thing that's been rattled around my brain is that there was a lawsuit this is I'm going to tie it back
00:48:28
into cars E I promise there was a lawsuit against Dollar General in January because they were leaving
00:48:36
2-year-old price stickers on the shelves and then when they would ring up the skew it would show the current day price
00:48:44
so the prices on the shelves were diff were cheaper than the prices at the point of sale and the lawsuit is like
00:48:52
that's super illegal um and then I was like how is that different than what Tesla does which I get it is it's like
00:48:59
you're not reading a sticker price and then 5 seconds later getting charged a different price but if you change 5
00:49:05
Seconds to two years yeah I still think it's messed up that you can give an in like a $1,000 interest free loan and in
00:49:11
three years if they Jack the price by 40% you just have to take your money back and you lost out on that interest I
00:49:18
know yeah it's like it's it's pretty wild yeah it's crazy that that's legal I
00:49:24
I don't love that all these different companies are doing this it feels like Kickstarter as group group Buys in the
00:49:30
mechanical keyboard world yeah it's like yeah reserving the opportunity to purchase something and then it becoming
00:49:37
prohibitively expensive is no good I mean and that's also probably the reason
00:49:42
that we have to have all these like uh like do not resell this because if you
00:49:47
get in early on something and then that's why cyber truck right now is the like you can't resell this within a year
00:49:52
because someone gets it in early gets it early and then realizes like I can make money off this immediately yeah I guess
00:49:58
yeah I don't know how they would do it other than that besides just wait till it comes out and then take your money
00:50:05
but or collect the full sticker price at the moment of reservation I think that's
00:50:10
that's how all of their pre-orders work like I I pre-ordered a synthesizer
00:50:16
about a year ago I paid the full S price yeah still
00:50:22
guess actually that is more how like kickstarters and like that's video games work you just get a discounted price on
00:50:29
Kickstarter sometimes I forget even Kickstarter just like when you pre-orders when you pay for something that's not out you normally pay for all
00:50:37
of it that's a that's a good point yeah yeah you pay for the entire thing like the early bird price yeah when you
00:50:43
pre-order an apple Vision Pro you're not getting a discount but you also charge
00:50:48
you until it ships though is that true yeah but you at least know that you're not like day of shipment and Apple's not
00:50:54
going to be like 100 more bucks please yeah that is an interesting point of being basically like here's the right to
00:51:01
charge me for this but don't charge it until I receive it I guess that's way harder for an automobile when you're
00:51:08
probably financing it and not paying straight in cash and in EV manufactured defense it's way harder for an
00:51:14
automobile where you have a global supply chain and any number of things can like drastically change how much a
00:51:20
car costs but maybe you shouldn't take people I don't know I don't know I don't know and do it anyway yeah ride bikes
00:51:28
cool all right well all that being said I think it's time for
00:51:34
trivia you like how I just teleported back to the studio yeah from California
00:51:39
faster than usual I'm pretty good at that I do it just for trivia I only teleport for trivia is the R2 faster
00:51:46
than the R1 that teleporting yeah new feature yeah dang they ditched the the tunnel
00:51:54
less teleportation teleportation the gear tunnel gear tunnel you pushed him into the tunnel and it's actually just a
00:52:00
wormhole to the studio yo that's kind of a great through the Tim we need a thumbnail crawl into the gear
00:52:07
tunnel so David yeah welcome back to the podcast thank you uh we're going to go over the score when we go over the
00:52:14
answers but I'll just let you know right now uh Marquez is running it up um yes I
00:52:21
did miss two weeks so we wanted to try and sort of even things out a little bit
00:52:26
yeah um so question number two in 1935 I don't like this at all Kodak released
00:52:33
their Timeless positive film employing just two color sensitivities blue green
00:52:40
and red orange what was this film stock called I got it I think I got
00:52:46
it no idea me neither okay well well hopefully David gets this
00:52:52
one right hope that would be really embarrassing that be really embarrassing if you teleported back here just to get it wrong we'll be right
00:53:06
back well first of all thank you guys for joining me I I imagine you're super busy so this is much appreciated uh if
00:53:14
you don't mind if you go one more time and and give me your names and then your roles that open AI yeah my name is Bill
00:53:21
Peebles I'm a lead on Sora here at open AI my name is Tim Brooks I'm also a
00:53:26
research lead on Sora uh I'm a diti I lead the Sora Team
00:53:32
Awesome okay so I've reacted to Sora I saw I saw the the announcement and the
00:53:38
website and uh all those prompts and example videos that it made that you guys gave and it was super impressive
00:53:46
can you give me like a super concise breakdown of how exactly it works cuz
00:53:52
we've explained Dolly before and and diffusion before or how does Sora make
00:53:59
videos yeah so at a high level Sora is a generative model so there's been a lot of very cool generative models over the
00:54:06
past few years ranging from language models like the GPT family to image generation models like Del uh Sora is a
00:54:13
video generation model and what that means is it looks at a lot of video data and learns to generate photorealistic
00:54:20
videos uh the exact way it does that kind of draws techniques actually both from diffusion based models like do as
00:54:26
well as llms like the GPT family it's kind of like somewhere in between it's trained like do um but architecturally
00:54:32
it looks more like the GPT family but at a high level it's just trained to generate videos uh of the real world and
00:54:39
of digital worlds and of all kinds of content and uh it it creates a a huge
00:54:46
variety of stuff kind of the same way the other models do based on what it's trained on what is Sora trained
00:54:53
on so we can't go into much detail on it but it's train on a combination of data
00:54:59
that's publicly available as well as data that open AI has licensed one uh Innovation that we had
00:55:06
in creating Sora was enabling it to train on videos at different durations as well as different aspect ratios and
00:55:12
resolutions and this is something that's really new so previously when you train an image or video generation model
00:55:19
people would typically train them at a very fixed size like only one resolution for example but what we do is we take
00:55:26
images as well as videos of all you know wide aspect ratios tall long videos short videos high resolution low
00:55:33
resolution and we turn them all into these small pieces we call patches and
00:55:38
then we're able to train on videos with different numbers of patches depending on the size of the input and that allows
00:55:45
our model to be really versatile to train on a wider variety of data and also to be used to generate content at
00:55:52
different resolutions and sizes and so you guys have you've had access
00:55:57
to using it building it developing it for some time now and obviously there's a maybe not obviously but there's a ton
00:56:03
of variables with video like I make videos I know there's lighting Reflections you know all kinds of
00:56:10
physics and moving objects and things involved what have you found that Sora
00:56:16
in its current state is good at and maybe there are things that are specifically weaknesses like I'll show
00:56:22
the video that I asked for in a second where there's six fingers on one of the hands but what have you seen our our
00:56:29
particular strengths and weaknesses of like what it's making yeah so it definitely excels at like photo realism
00:56:36
is a big step forward in general and the fact that the videos can be so long up
00:56:41
to a minute long is really a leap from what was previously possible but some things it still struggles with I mean
00:56:47
hands in general is are a pain Point as you mention but also some aspects of physics and like in in one of the
00:56:52
examples that you asked for with the 3D printer you can see it doesn't quite get that right and also if you ask for a
00:56:59
really specific for example like camera trajectory over time it has trouble doing that so some aspects of physics
00:57:07
and of the motion or trajectories that happen over time is struggles with it's really interesting to see the stuff it
00:57:12
does well because like you said there are those examples of like really good photo realism with like lighting and
00:57:19
Reflections and even close-ups and textures and just like Dolly you can give it Styles like shot in 35mm film or
00:57:26
or shot you know like from a DSLR with a blurry background um there are no sounds
00:57:32
in these videos though I'm super curious if it would be a gigantic extra lift to
00:57:39
add sound to these or if it's more complicated than I'm realizing um how far does it feel like you are from being
00:57:46
able to also have ai generated sound in an AI generated video it's hard to give
00:57:51
exact timelines with these kinds of things uh for sort one we were really focused on pushing the
00:57:58
capabilities of video generation models forward because before this you know a lot of AI generated video was like 4
00:58:03
seconds of pretty low frame rate and the quality wasn't great so that's where a lot of our effort so far has been uh we
00:58:09
definitely agree though that you know adding in these other kinds of uh content would be would make like videos
00:58:15
way more immersive so it's something that we're definitely thinking about but right now Sora is mainly just a video
00:58:21
generation model and we've been focused on pushing the capabilities there that domain for sure so okay Dolly has
00:58:28
improved a lot over time it's gotten better it's improved in a lot of ways and you guys are constantly developing
00:58:35
and working towards making Sora better how do you first of all how do you get to the point where you've gotten good
00:58:42
enough with it that you know it's ready to share with the world and we have this mic drop moment and then how do you know
00:58:48
how to keep moving forward and and making things that it's better at do a big motivation for us really the
00:58:56
motivation for why we wanted to get SORA out in this like blog post form but it's not yet ready is to get feedback to
00:59:03
understand how this could be useful to people also what safety work needs to be done and this will really set our
00:59:10
research road map moving forward so it's not currently a product it's not
00:59:16
available in chat gbt or anything and we don't even have any current timelines
00:59:21
for when we would turn this into a product but really right now we're in the like
00:59:26
feedback getting stage so we want to you know we'll definitely be improving it
00:59:33
but how we should improve it is kind of a an open question and we wanted to show
00:59:38
the world this technology that's on the horizon and start hearing from people about how could this be useful to you
00:59:45
hear from safety experts how could we make this safe for the world start hearing from some artists how could this
00:59:51
be useful in your workflows and that's really going to set our agenda moving forward so what have you heard so
00:59:57
far yeah like one piece of feedback we've definitely heard is that people are interested in having more detailed
01:00:03
controls so that will be an interesting Direction moving forward whereas right now it's about you know you have this
01:00:10
maybe kind of short prompt um but people are really interested in having more control over exactly the content that's
01:00:16
generated so that's definitely one thing we'll be looking into interesting yeah I can imagine just wanting to just make
01:00:22
sure it's widescreen or just make sure it's vertical or it's well lit or something like that just to not have to
01:00:27
worry about prompt engineering I guess um okay so I guess ad if you've you've
01:00:33
been working on this stuff for a long time is there a future where you can
01:00:39
generate a video that is indistinguishable from a normal video
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because that's how that's how it feels like Dolly has evolved over time where you can ask for a photo realistic picture and it it can make that um is
01:00:52
that something you could imagine actually being possible I guess probably a yes because we've seen it do so much
01:00:57
already yeah eventually I think it's going to be possible um but of course uh
01:01:03
as we approach that point we want to be careful about releasing these capabilities so that you know people on social media are aware of when a video
01:01:10
they see could be real or fake and you know when a video that they see comes from a trusted Source um and we want to
01:01:17
make sure that like these capabilities aren't used in a way that could perpetuate misinformation or
01:01:23
something yeah I saw there's a a watermark in the bottom corner of um
01:01:28
Sora generated videos which obviously is pretty important but a watermark like that can be cropped I'm curious if there
01:01:35
are other ways that you guys think about being able to easily identify AI
01:01:41
generated videos especially with a tool like Sora yeah so for doly 3 we trained
01:01:47
uh Providence classifiers that can tell if an image generated by the model um or whether a given image was generated by
01:01:53
the model or not and we're working on adapting that technology to work for Sora videos as well um that won't be
01:02:00
a yeah that won't be a complete solution in and of itself but it's kind of like a first
01:02:06
step got it kind of like metadata or like a sort of embedded like flag so
01:02:11
that if you play with that file you know it's AI generated yeah uh c2p does that um but
01:02:18
the classifier that we trained uh can just be run on any image or video and it tells you uh if it think that the media
01:02:25
was generated by one of our models or not gotcha uh what I'm also curious what
01:02:32
what's your Rea you obviously have to get to the point where Sora comes out and you think it's ready for the world to see what it's capable of what's been
01:02:38
your reaction to other people's reactions to Sora there's a lot of this is super cool this is amazing there's a
01:02:45
lot of oh my God my job is in danger how do you digest all of the way people react to this thing yeah
01:02:53
um I felt like a lot of the reception was like definitely you know some
01:02:59
anxiety as as to what's going to happen next and we definitely feel that in terms of you know our mission to make
01:03:05
sure that this technology is deployed in a in a safe way uh and in a way that's responsible to all of the things people
01:03:12
are already doing involving video Generation Um but I also felt like a lot of opportunity uh like right now for
01:03:20
example um if a person has an idea for a movie they want to produce it can be really difficult to get funding to
01:03:26
actually produce the movie and because the budgets are so large uh you know uh
01:03:32
production companies have to be aware of the risk associated with the investment that they make uh and so one cool way
01:03:38
that I think AI could help is if it drastically lowers the cost to go from idea to like a a finished
01:03:46
video yeah yeah there's a lot of parallels with Dolly just in the way I feel like people are going to use it
01:03:52
because when Dolly got really good I started I mean I can use it as a a brainstorming tool I can use it to sort
01:03:58
of visualize a thumbnail for a video for example um and I could see a lot of the
01:04:03
same cool like use being particularly awesome with Sora um I know you're not
01:04:10
giving timelines but you're in the testing phase now do you think it's going to be in a available for public
01:04:16
use phase anytime soon not anytime soon I think yeah okay yeah uh I guess my
01:04:24
last question is way down the road way down into the future when Sora is making
01:04:31
five minute YouTube videos with sound and perfect photo realism uh what medium makes sense to to
01:04:40
dive into next I mean photos is one thing videos has this whole dimension with time and physics and all these new
01:04:49
variables with Reflections and sound you guys are you jumped into this faster than I thought what what is next on the
01:04:56
horizon for AI generated media in general so something I'm really excited
01:05:04
for is how the use of AI tools evolves into
01:05:09
creating completely new content and I think that a lot of it will be us learning from how people use these tools
01:05:16
to do new things but often it's easy to think about how they could be used to create existing things but I actually
01:05:23
think they'll enable completely new types of content and it's hard to know what that is until like it's in the
01:05:28
hands of the most creative people but really creative people when they have new tools do amazing things and they
01:05:34
make new things that were not previously possible that's really what motivates me a lot long term is like how could this
01:05:41
turn into completely new experiences in media that currently aren't capable that
01:05:46
currently we're not even thinking about and hard to picture exactly what that is but I think that will be like really
01:05:52
exciting to just be pushing the creative boundaries and allowing really creative people to push those boundaries by
01:05:57
making completely new tools yeah super interesting I feel like
01:06:03
the the way because I I think in my video I sort of mentioned like it's trained on existing content so therefore
01:06:10
it can only make things based on things that already exist how so you the only way to get it
01:06:17
to be creative is with your prompt I imagine you have to get clever with the learning curves of prompt engineering
01:06:24
Ing and figuring out what to say to it is that accurate there are other kinds of cool capabilities that the model has
01:06:30
sort of Beyond just like text based prompting so in our research post that we released with Sora um we had an
01:06:37
example where we show blending between two input videos and there was one really cool example of that where the
01:06:44
video on the left starts out as a drone flying through with the Coliseum and on the right it gradually transitions into
01:06:51
like a butterfly swimming underwater and there's 's a point in there where the Coliseum like gradually begins decaying
01:06:57
and looking as if it's like covered in coral reefs and it's partially underwater and these kinds of you know
01:07:04
generated videos really do kind of start to feel a bit new relative to what's been possible in the past with older
01:07:10
forms of technology and so we're excited about these kinds of things even Beyond just prompting uh as being new
01:07:16
experiences that people can generate with technology like Sora that is in some ways we really see
01:07:22
modeling reality as the first step to be able to transcend it
01:07:29
whoa I like that's really that is super interesting yeah the better it is yeah
01:07:35
the better it's able to to model reality the the faster you're able to sort of build on top of it and ideally that
01:07:42
that's able to unlock new creative possibilities as a tool and all kinds of other
01:07:47
things super cool well I guess I'll I'll leave you I'll leave it open to if is there anything else you want people to
01:07:53
know obviously you guys have been working on this longer than anyone else has gotten to see what it does or play
01:07:58
with it what else do you want the world to know about Sora and open AI I think another thing we're excited
01:08:04
about is how learning from video data will make AI more useful a bit more
01:08:10
broadly than just creating videos because we live in a world where we see things kind of like a video that we're
01:08:17
watching and there's a lot of information about the world that's not in text and while models like GPT are
01:08:23
really intelligent and understand a lot about the world there is information that they're missing when they don't see
01:08:29
the visual World in a way similar to how we do so one thing we're excited about for Sora and other AI models moving
01:08:35
forward that build on top of Sora is that by learning from visual data about the world they'll hopefully just have a
01:08:41
better understanding of the world we live in and in the future be able to help us better just because they
01:08:46
understand things better that is super cool I imagine there's a lot of computing and a lot of
01:08:52
talented engineering that goes into that so I wish you guys the best of luck I am so ex I mean eventually when I'm able to
01:08:59
plug in more stuff into Sora I'm very excited for that moment too so uh keep me posted we'll do thank you so much thanks
01:09:06
Mar guys thanks guys appreciate it all right thanks again to the folks at open AI for making time for us and to explain
01:09:13
one more fun fact I forgot to ask them during the recording but everyone wanted to know how long does it take to
01:09:19
generate a video with Sora with a single prompt I did ask them after off camera
01:09:25
and the answer was it depends but you could leave go get coffee and come back
01:09:31
and it would still be working on the video the street a while seems to be the answer
01:09:37
but anyway I'm back specifically because
01:09:42
trivia that was a short pause I was expecting a lot more maybe it's just a variable I mess
01:09:49
with every time okay quick update on the score Marquez in the lead with four points
01:09:56
prepared to lose the lead today Andrew following him up with one two two points
01:10:05
I just want to shout out someone on our subreddit super stance Nation posted a picture that says if you know you know
01:10:11
and it's me carrying a one over my shoulder nice also not our subreddit
01:10:16
anymore it's correct unofficial unofficial subreddit David trailing with zero wow really dang
01:10:26
zero points what if you carry the one it's still zero when I'm gone first question when I'm
01:10:31
gone I'm going to miss points what I'm G okay Angry Birds first question what
01:10:38
country is the aura company based in and your hint it's the same country that
01:10:44
originally gave the World Angry [Music] Birds furiously scribbling away Andrew's
01:10:52
done already how confident are you in your answer no cool love
01:11:00
that Dave you look menacing I'm not sure I'll be I wonder if any of us are going to have the same answer that would just
01:11:07
be impressive there's a lot of countries CU I'm pretty sure we all just randomly get I've got Vibes about this country I have a I have a reg let us pick the
01:11:14
continent I have it's definitely Europe all right did we all go
01:11:19
oh interesting okay all right what' you guys say you guys go first I I remember roio is
01:11:26
the name of the company that made Angry Birds and I think they're from Belgium no I also said But shout out
01:11:34
Belgium though I know I think I said it because of that one time Ellis just threw a stray at Belgium no no I didn't
01:11:40
th I I was I was going to take over the country of multiple citizens of Belgium
01:11:45
said they welcomed it oh too wait w yeah shout out Belgium Belgium always
01:11:52
real uh I said the netherlander I don't know what that is but no the Netherlands yeah no the
01:11:58
correct answer Finland ah ah ah so close thanks Finland yeah
01:12:08
dang great great country all right ftech nothing ftech land fish that's where Mariah
01:12:18
lives I definitely don't know I'm guessing this Kodak one I have no idea oh number two hm oh Kodak Kodak Kodak I
01:12:26
thought you said Kodak and I was like no it's film oh a film kodc fil codc funny stuff guys
01:12:34
you know what's funny about codc what heaths I have a friend who works in AV
01:12:41
professionally uh for a a big company and we were joking the other day and he was like is mad at me everything is a
01:12:48
codec oh yeah and I was like what are you talking about he's like you know when you're connecting a bunch of streaming boxes and cameras all all
01:12:54
these things are doing is encoding and decoding everything's a codec did you ask him what is a photo I should have
01:13:02
that seems like the person to ask that yeah right uh question two starring
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David ml in 1935 Kodak released their Timeless positive film I should say Timeless
01:13:14
until 2009 when it was discontinued what employing just two color sensitivities
01:13:21
blue green and red orange what was this film stock
01:13:28
called and I'm 90% sure I got something in this question wrong and then David's
01:13:33
going to be like Ellis how was I supposed to know that and I'm going to be like I have don't really shoot film
01:13:39
so I don't know I was trying to give you points bro can you explain that
01:13:45
no no I can't explain it I just looked it up 3 minutes
01:13:52
ago oh all
01:13:58
right all right uh Marquez because I can't see your board you want to go first I wrote what is frittata what
01:14:07
is oh I realized Ellis couldn't see it so he actually was surprised by that
01:14:12
what is dang it I'm wrong the next round of
01:14:17
waveform like merch shirts we have to have at least one of the crazy thing like like the was a
01:14:24
frittata I don't know um Andrew what blue grow blow blue green red orange no
01:14:31
but I could imagine someone rubbing that as a foam on their scalp and then blue
01:14:38
growing it back you know what I mean uh David I wrote kod Chrome Coda Chrome is
01:14:44
Koda correct uh uh does kod correct get any points no uh what were you unsure of
01:14:51
about this question that it was actually positive film uh and it wasn't negative film but it I was positive film um yeah
01:14:59
it was are you positive negative um yeah people have been
01:15:06
wishing for this to come back for a very long time but it had many toxic elements in it so they had to stop developing it
01:15:16
uh also Fuji velvia there are two types one of them recently discontinued also
01:15:22
because of toxic elements so you don't get any extra points for this well I you
01:15:28
know all the the coolest photos in the world have been shot with Kodak Chrome this is just David basking in the glow
01:15:34
of the point he just got so I can have one single I'm carrying the one now Andrew yeah feel well jealous how do you
01:15:41
feel about that not bad because you'll be beating me by the end of next week's episode uh not if we do an Andrew
01:15:47
question next week whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa I like the sounds I demand I don't want an Andrew crushing
01:15:53
cuz when I get it wrong it's even more embarrassing well that was a pretty fun teleporting fantastic episode uh thanks
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