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It was one of the worst things ever. >> This is I was going to wait till the end
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for this because I I my take on this is >> nostalgia is ruining your guys' taste.
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This is all objectively horrible. But I'll let you finish. >> Marquez is the least nostalgic person in
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the world. >> This is all really bad. >> I didn't say I wanted this. I just said
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I was excited to talk about the Nintendo Switch 2 again. >> Yeah. >> Yo, what is up people of the internet?
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Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm
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Marquez. >> I'm Andrew. >> And I'm David. This week we've got last
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week of Nope, just kidding. First week of February. We've got new products, we've got dead products, and we've got
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updated products. So, we've got the whole spectrum of stuff to talk about. >> Vague of an intro as we
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>> if you want a little teaser, like dead products is kind of exciting, but also
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dead products that you've probably heard of from a big company. That's a little
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more exciting, right? Uh, also, we have a game to play again. It was a lot of fun last week.
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>> It was. >> It's a different game this week. >> It's a different game that I stole this
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week. >> Sick. >> Just like always. >> But first, a little bit of
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self-promotion. I have to just make sure everyone who is listening to this podcast has seen or at least had the
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opportunity to see the latest studio video, which is our full final featurelength year in the life vlog of
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what it's like to be here at the studio and to work on a YouTube channel/collective of channels for 365
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days. It happens to be this channel. So, it's a tech channel. So, there's all the
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fun of like the waves of like the off seasonason ramping up into the busy season and the offseason again. And
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there's there's just a lot to it. And it is a labor of love for the team to put
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it all together. Think about how much footage and how many shots and how much stuff happens that we collect over the
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course of the year. We are sort of editing it during the year as it went and sort of building the bridge as we
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crossed it, if you will. Imagine if we had used Premiere and it would have just >> still be exporting it crashing. It would
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have crashed and autosave wouldn't have worked and we would have been in the
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middle of the game. >> Say it's still crashing to this day. >> If if anyone wants to know why Ellis was
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only here for the game last week. He was in the trenches for a very long time. But yeah.
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>> Yeah. Barely slept. >> Yeah. There's a comment that was like,
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"Why does it look like Ellis just woke up?" And like he did. >> You can't wake up. I hadn't woken up for
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days. Yeah. >> Yeah. It's exactly the length of a 1990s romcom. So, if you're choosing between
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the two, I think you know which one you need to pick. >> Absolutely. >> You should definitely watch it. It's
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It's super fun. >> It's the When Harry Met Sally of YouTube. >> I've never seen that.
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>> It's pretty good. You should watch it. >> That means I should see it. Huh.
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>> Okay. >> Next year's going to be The Love Actually, two and a half hours. For
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>> the rest of this episode, we're just naming '90s romcoms. >> Spoiler. We're going to do another one
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>> every year. No. Marquez, don't say that now. Oh, what if we ever change?
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>> I thought next was decade in the life. >> That's It's not out of the question. We
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could do that, too. >> That would be crazy. >> But yeah, I I think it's
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>> like boyhood, dude. >> It's really good for the the behind the
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scenes. It's the It's the the look behind the curtain and the studio ethos
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and all that. It's fun. >> Yeah. I mean, even if you just love Waveform, there's some good waveform
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behind the scenes. There's like our first live show in Austin, our first live stream and all the technical
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difficulties we had. There was like the man on the street episode at Apple Campus. So there's a lot of waveform
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stuff you can see also. >> All right. Should we start with the alive products, the updated products or
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the dead products? >> Dead. >> The dead products. >> Dead or alive.
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>> People have been talking about this. Uh Tesla has announced that they will be
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stopping production this year of the Model S and the Model X. >> Uh these are their OG flagship longestr
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running vehicles. So, they made the Tesla Roadster originally, which was essentially a Lotus Elise that had the
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guts removed and turned into an electric car, which was a fun project. But then they started making their own car, the
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Tesla Model S, which has been, I guess it's 15 plus years of of Tesla Model S
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and being a flagship in what Tesla puts their latest and greatest technologies in. And then Model X, which is the big
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SUV with the falcon wing doors and uh the sort of relative performance in that price category. It's the most expensive
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cars. Um, and they've announced that they're going to be stopping production
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of them to make space for production of the Optimus robot in that factory apparently. So, they were making them
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all in that one factory and they will be making that space uh for Optimus robots.
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>> This has not bowed too well for the 2017 Roadster. >> That's what I was thinking. Uh, so my
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first my initial thought is uh it's not actually that surprising. I think the
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Model SN X didn't sell a ton. It was always like a a light refresh here, a light refresh there. You know, the Plaid
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came out, that was sort of a big update, and then again, light refresh here and there. So, it kind of ended up looking
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the same for a long time, which a lot of people noticed, but they didn't put as
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much or I guess they put much more attention on Model 3 and Model Y and expanding those into a ton of different
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markets. And obviously, a lot more people buy these less expensive vehicles. If you look at the sales
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breakdown now for 2025, >> Tesla Model 3 and Y are 90 something% of their sales and 1.6 million uh produced
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and then SX and Cybertruck combined was 53,900 >> combined. Combined. So on paper, it's
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not actually that insane to just stop making worldwide. >> That's worldwide.
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>> Holy moly. >> So that's that's the peak behind the curtain. I'm justifying it with the with
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the robot. I don't know if that even matters at all to me. I don't I guess
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you should be optimistic and >> use that as justification. >> It's a It feels like uh just something
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they're saying to make it seem like they're not just totally quitting on it.
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They're like, "Oh, no. We have bigger and better things that we're working on
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better." >> There's there's a ton of a ton of businesses that cut their 5% loss
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leaders. And that's not like a shocking headline. It's just we we've become so
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familiar with Model S and Model X over time. And they've been such staples that
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it's kind of like, oh, they're actually going away. Wow. >> And it feels crazy because it feels like
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it was just yesterday that they released the plaid models. I mean, it was a few years ago at this point. I think it was
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like right like only a few months after I started working here that they released those.
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>> Yeah. >> But I remember writing in yours when you first got it and I was like, "Holy
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moly." >> Yeah. That was the first time that I remember Tesla not delivering something
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that they said they would. So, they've been various versions of this. Remember
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Model 3? They were like, >> "Wait, wait, not what about the >> roaders 2017?"
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>> No, no. Okay, so I guess officially cancelling would be my uh version of
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that cuz they they' said that they're going to make Plaid and Plaid Plus.
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>> Oh, yeah. >> And then Plaid came out and then they officially went,
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>> "We're not going to make Plaid Plus anymore." And then converted those
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pre-orders to Plaid. >> Got it. >> And I was like, "Oh, okay." They they
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would do that. And they've had kind of versions of this in the past. Like they
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announced a bunch of specs for Model 3 and they sort of slowly adjusted that lineup. Um but yeah, there's been they
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they continue to claim they're going to make the Roadster. So they haven't
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cancelled that project. >> Yeah. >> It wouldn't shock me if >> it wouldn't shock me if the Cybert truck
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was also under consideration. >> Maybe out of pride they'll keep it going
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for a bit longer and and see how sales go, but they have not gone well lately. Yeah.
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>> Uh so we'll see. But yeah, obviously the combined total 50,000 produced of all
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three of those vehicles, it's not exactly shocking that they can still be a car company with just three andy
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>> and be pretty pretty fine. >> Yeah. >> When did Cybertruck first get announced?
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>> Announced 2019, right? >> 2020 or 2021. >> How long did it take to come out?
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>> It was either Oh, no. It was I think it was early 2021, like March or something. The event date
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where he threw the the ball and it broke the window was in 2020. >> I have the video I published those the
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night of November 22nd, 2019. >> 2019. Wow. >> Yeah. >> So it came out 2023. So it took four
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years to come out. Do we think it lives longer than four years? >> Lives longer than four years. So when's
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that? >> Next year. >> Next year. >> No, >> I think it could make it that long.
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Yeah, >> that'd be pretty embarrassing if R2 got released and Cyers got shut down. That
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would be tough. >> Yeah, R2 is supposed to be this year as well. >> Yeah,
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>> R2 though is like >> they're a bit different. >> It's supposed to be their like mass
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market thing. >> There's two other little Tesla things or Tesla related things in here. One thing
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we missed when we were talking about the or maybe it just happened after, but remember we were talking about how full
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self-driving is going to subscription only model. >> Yeah. One thing it seems like they took
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away just from all Teslas is the auto steer or at least auto steer on Model 3 and Model Y as like just a base option
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because their naming is always so confusing. Autopilot just comes with cars, right?
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>> Yeah. Yeah. It's not full self-driv Yeah. Full self-driving is the full
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suite. Uh autopilot is the lesser basic suite >> and auto and then the the auto steer is
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like automatically in centering, right? which at this point most cars have >> most new cars.
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>> Yeah. The the 2026 base Corolla has auto link. Um it seems like they just took it
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out of autopilot on Model 3 and Model Y >> on new ones. >> It's it's just when you purchase them
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now. It's not listed in the uh the features of what it comes with. It is still traffic aware cruise control, but
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I saw a bunch of people on Reddit freaking or on Twitter like uh so we just lost all lane centering now.
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>> Aka if you don't buy full self-driving, this is now like one of the least
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technologically advanced cars in terms of >> self quote unquote self-driving. So
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they're trying to push people to spend the $99 a month >> because part of Elon's giant trillion
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dollar performance package is based on 10 million active full self self-driving subscriptions.
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>> So that's so that's one of the levers basically that Tesla is pulling to help
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try to push people towards buying full self-driving by making the car that doesn't help full self-driving worse
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than normal >> by not having any sort of >> what everyone >> drive assist. I see.
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>> It makes a lot of sense. That seems like a horrible idea >> cuz there's all these other cars out
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there that have >> the equivalent of what they already have. >> I think it's really hypocritical also to
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be like Teslas are the safest on the road because look at all these things they help do like distracted drivers but
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like take it away. It's like when they took away uh >> two-factor authentication on Twitter.
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>> Yeah. Put it behind a pay wall. >> Put it behind a payw wall. It feels like
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that but >> yeah that's crazy. >> Um and then the other quick thing do you
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want to talk about? I'll talk about this. Okay. The other quick thing is that SpaceX basically acquired XAI or is
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merging with XAI. >> I think you're right that they acquired >> acquired
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>> XAI. >> Yeah. And are merging with it by acquiring it and XAI acquired X Twitter.
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>> So the reason that people think that they're doing this, I mean now it's like
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it's the combined company is valued at over a trillion dollars, which is insane. Um and I know that they have
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been talking about eventually taking it public and it would be the first IPO to IPO over a trillion which is just
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>> how much of that trillion do you think comes from XAI versus SpaceX? >> So that's the thing. Okay. SpaceX is
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hugely profitable. Uh XAI is not XAI is reportedly burning over a billion dollars a month on both data center fees
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and employees. Uh which is just insane. >> Light work. Sam Alman wishes that's all
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he was burning. >> Yeah. Ironically, like they basically merged XAI and Twitter because Twitter
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was losing too much money. And now they're merging XAI/ Twitter and SpaceX because XAI was losing too much money.
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>> It's weird. That's just such a weird company. Sometimes I think about like
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Tesla was already kind of a weird company when you think about it as far as the range of things that they would
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make. What other car company makes both a $40,000 sedan >> Yeah. and a $200,000 sports car
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>> and is what they would claim to make and a semi-truck >> like and a pickup truck. Like I I can't
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think of a car company that does all of them. Well, >> does Toyota have a sports car?
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>> Do they have a $200,000 like super car >> and a semi-truck? >> Don't they make trucks? Like aren't the
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biggest trucks? >> I know Volvo makes trucks. Like there's one. >> That was already strange to me.
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>> Toyota makes semi trucks. >> No, no. Oh, sorry. All right. I just
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meant like big pickup trucks. I don't >> but then you know the Tesla semi-truck.
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It's like what company does all these things? >> So this is an even weirder set of
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companies. Oh, we're a we're a software company, an AI company. We also have a
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social network and we also do rockets. >> The way that Musk is trying to >> make this make any sense is he's saying
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that in order to scale AI, you're going to have to put data centers in space.
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And the only way to do that is with SpaceX. So now you're going to put these
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AI data centers in space that are powered by solar. >> He's like doing the like point. And then
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at the very end of his statement, he's like and a free speech social media network. And it's like how does that
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have anything to do with the rest of your industries? I don't know. It kind of feels like we're accelerating towards
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that sort of uh I feel like in every in like Back to the Future and like every sort of like future movie where there's
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a lot of dystopia going on. There's always the like Musk Industries type thing and that's that's what this
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company is eventually going to become because Tesla I mean they're getting rid
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of their main cars. They're having problems constantly. I would not be surprised if in two to three years Tesla
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also merged with SpaceX >> and then they added SpaceX rockets to the Roadster and it finally ships and it
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obviously was going to happen the whole time. >> Well, finally I don't know about finally
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ships but he can make the excuse cuz he's already he has said that they're
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going to put rocket boosters on the back of the Roadster. >> He has said that.
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>> He has said that. He said many things. Um, so you could see him making that
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argument and I feel like they would just call it X industries or something and it's just everything. If he wanted to
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make the everything app, he is certainly making the everything company. I don't
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know about the everything app. >> I feel like every time one of his companies merge, it's to like solve the
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problem of another company. >> That's >> But what is going to happen after space
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like when SpaceX and like let's say they do this and then they need to keep growing. What do you merge with? There's
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nothing left. Well, luckily SpaceX is actually bringing in a lot of revenue >> for now while the government is giving
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it all its money cuz it's defunding NASA. But like >> Yeah. And Starlink brings in a lot of
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money. >> Yeah, Starling brings in a ton of money. >> Yeah. I do think the big point though is
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that like like there wasn't enough liquid capital to keep >> XI running.
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>> To keep X not even XI running, but just keep XAI expanding. Yeah. To keep pace
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with its competitors. And so there Elon was just like, >> well, I could tap into my other
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companies money. Sorry investors. >> It's like when Microsoft bailed out
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Apple except the except you're bailing out yourself. >> Uh Ellis and I were talking about a
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tweet we saw earlier. >> Bootstraps. >> Ellis and I both saw a tweet that was
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like Elon's buying Twitter for the third time. >> Damn. Speaking of um
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>> big disappointments, >> I know there's probably rare metals in
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rocket ships. >> I kind of like the big disappointments. >> Oh, that was a better that was a better
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one. We could keep it. Let's keep both. >> Speaking of potential big disappointments, there um and I'm not
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talking about what my mom said before I was born. >> Damn. >> The Samsung Galaxy S26, there's a report
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that it will not have G2. And I know that I said I was 1002% sure. And you know what? I'm doubling the half. No
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way. >> I'm doubling down cuz I got nothing to lose at this point. >> Well, I'll explain to Do you want me to
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explain why? >> Yes. So Ben Shun at 95 Google did an article and what happened is there's
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leak of some S26 cases. Now the issue with these cases is there's two versions
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of them. One with a magnetic ring, one without a magnetic ring. And when you have magnets in the back of a phone,
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they work really well to connect to a ring. But when you have a case now in between that magnetic uh connection
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without another ring adding additional magnets to keep the strength, you're losing kind of the features of the ring.
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So, we're kind of looking at this case with no ring as the writing on the wall
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of there's probably no magnets inside. >> You know, if Samsung liked this phone,
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they should have put a ring on it. That's all I'm going to say. >> Damn, that was a bar.
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>> So good. >> I don't know, man. That was good. Now, now Google is going to have all these
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ads that are like, "We've had magnets for two years. Samsung can't get their
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together." >> Why not? Samsung, I have all these like theories and like I'm working on a video
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idea now about we were talking about silicon carbon batteries before about how we've seen this divide of some
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companies just going for it with silicon carbon batteries and some standing on the sidelines and not jumping in. And I
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think that's interesting. Samsung is staying on the sidelines, but Samsung isn't
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doing anything with their main flagships, which is I get it. It's like the three and the Y. It's like
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>> screen. >> That's totally valid. Actually, that's kind of really interesting. And we'll
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get to that maybe in a little bit. But it's like the the design itself has been
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unchanged for the past like four or five years now. And that's not that there's
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anything wrong with the design, but you kind of start to wonder, are they going to improve anything? Like the cameras
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haven't gotten much better. The chip just gets the normal spec bump every year. The batteries have been almost the
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same size every year. It's been four or five years since we've gotten a real
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meaningful change to these phones. And I don't think they're going to do it. And
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this was an opportunity to do something to give people with three-year-old S23s a reason to upgrade. And I just they
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just skipped it. So, it's interesting. I think they're just leaning into less
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towards consumers and more towards just like b like business phones and just being able to like ship the default of
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everything. and yeah, >> it's not a great path to go down to continue doing it. It feels like the the
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way to get forgotten really easily, but when you're trying to be the default,
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but >> I guess it depends cuz like when people buy Android phones, besides the
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enthusiasts, do people just want reliable same or do they want >> I guess that's what's that's that's us
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enthusiasts talking and then regular people just buying the same thing over and over anyway. Like why should they
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change it? I feel like Motorola and LG kind of were doing that and then Samsung kept being like, "We're flashy. Look at
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us." And kind of took that share over and then became the default and now they're coasting.
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>> Yeah. But LG also made the wing. >> Yeah. Well, cuz LG was already scared at
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>> that point. Yeah. That was their like >> They did like have a gimmick on every
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phone that they sold though, which is I mean that was the thing at the time for Android phones, so you can't really
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doubt them blame from them for that. >> This one though, >> like adding magnets to the back. So,
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we've we've heard how like maybe silicon carbon is longevity might be an issue.
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Like they're maybe still testing this out. A couple magnets on the back to ensure better like charging and give you
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some accessories seems like the safest bet in the world. I want to know what the potential downside other than profit
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margins is on like >> also because Samsung phones are like the phone that you switch to from an iPhone.
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Like you would want to have all of the available features. people who have tons of MagSafe accessories, just give them
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the magnets. >> I've only really heard of people switching to Pixels from iPhone because
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I think you need a lot of pull if you're going to switch from the iPhone and the
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Pixel is the only thing that has like a lot of interesting fun things that might
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actually make you think about it. >> It is. I wonder I think Samsung could be
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the one if but the way it gets switched from an iPhone isn't I want to use this
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instead of an iPhone. It's Apple did something I really don't like. >> Yeah.
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>> Which has been in the news lately. And then like now I'm going to switch cuz
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I'm anti-Apple going to switch to what the default is. >> Or Samsung was like we can make more
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money if we sell you a case with a magnet in it. >> That partially is I I bet their real
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excuse is 99% of people use case and the case is going to have the magnet in it if you really want it anyways.
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>> And G2 ready probably costs less licensing than G2. >> Is it? It's still I mean I don't I don't
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know this G2 ready and G2. You still need licensing from the same >> to be able to Yeah. from the wireless
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power consortium. >> I just feel like at Samsung scale, why are you penny pinching? Like just do the
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thing that everyone >> know cuz you sell hundreds of millions of units and then a penny becomes $100
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million. >> I wonder how long ago this phone was just made already. >> It is the S23+
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look the same. They haven't really added. >> I love when people say that.
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>> That's actually a good point. We're acting as if they're making this
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decision yesterday or today. Yeah, >> tariffs were coming. >> Pixel snap was a thing or Mag Safe.
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Like, do people really want that? I don't know. Let's ride it out and see. I
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bet eventually Mag's been a thing though. I feel like they could have they could have gotten on this a while ago. I
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will say this reminds me of a headline that was maybe a couple days ago which was that uh nothing made another
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announcement nothing the phone company that they were not going to release a new flagship nothing phone 4
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>> because and actually said they don't need to release a new flagship every
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year because you know if there's nothing new to come out with then why release
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another flagship and some of us were like yeah that's actually a totally valid place to be But if you're Samsung,
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every year is somebody's third year on a phone and they're going to get ready to
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upgrade. So every year is an opportunity to have something with the newest chip on the shelf.
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>> So of course they're going to make a new phone every year. They're Samsung.
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>> So I I see both sides of it. I'm just like I it would have been so easy to put
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the magnet. >> Also curious for Carl Pay to be like phones are going to be much more
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expensive this year and we're not releasing it. I I do think because we this looks
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exactly the same. One way this could have been a sweet phone is like you add two cool features to it. If you added
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the like in display privacy protector and G2 for the enthusiasts, you kind of have a banger.
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>> You're looking at the MVP award question. What if they just put that
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stuff in the Ultra and then like what if the Ultra had G2 built in and these cases?
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>> I mean technically that could be true. Yeah. >> Have they used phone? Like that's the
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enthusiast model, >> right? Expensive one with the margin to play with. >> They could just start shoving the
00:22:46
enthusiast features just into that phone. >> And if it has success, then move it down
00:22:50
to the S27 or something. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Gosh. So long. >> So, this isn't full confirmation that it
00:22:57
won't have it, but >> it seems >> unfavorable to the G2 fans out there.
00:23:03
>> Yeah. >> There's dozens of us. They're probably all listening to this
00:23:07
podcast, too. >> I mean, everyone loves Mags Save, so everyone loves G2. >> It is. I still think it's the best phone
00:23:12
accessory or feature that's happened in the last >> 5 years. >> For many people that upgraded from the
00:23:19
Pixel 9 to Pixel 10 or just wanted to, it was a big reason why a lot of people justified doing it. So, even though they
00:23:25
not the lanyard on the CMF phone 2 Pro, >> oh, I did forget about that. >> The lanyard pretty good, too.
00:23:30
>> And the upgradeable accessories that they will keep adding accessories for
00:23:33
totally forever. God. Well, um, speaking of things that we thought would be real, but apparently
00:23:40
are not, uh, Anel Apple, Anzel Adams, Apple Adams, Adams, Apple, Apple has cancelled the Pro Apps bundle for
00:23:50
education, which was like the best year, the best deal of the decade. >> It really was.
00:23:55
>> And then they just quietly removed it. So, >> it's I wanted to put this in because we
00:24:00
just gave Apple a ton of credit on creating the creator studio subscriptions, but also leaving all the
00:24:06
onetime purchases. >> They haven't gone totally off the rail and took it taken that all away. This is
00:24:11
specifically the bundle for education. It was $200 for Final Cut Pro, Logic Pro, Motion Compressor, and MainStage,
00:24:18
which is >> honestly I feel like they forgot about it and one day just went like where
00:24:23
people can still spend that little. >> That is an insane deal. >> It's a crazy deal. You still can use an
00:24:29
educational discount to buy each of them individually. >> It is way more expensive to do it that
00:24:34
way. >> Um, >> I don't know when this happened. I think the first time I saw about it was like a
00:24:38
week ago, but it's recent enough that AI overview, everyone's favorite 100%
00:24:43
accurate AI. Um, still says that it's available and attempts to link it. >> Yeah. Um, but yeah, this just feels like
00:24:52
the first crack in the wall of be wary of us offering one-time purchases for the rest of time.
00:25:00
>> I still think the onetime purchases are great deals. I mean, I obviously this
00:25:05
was an incredible deal. I'm looking at this now. Final Cut, Logic, Motion Compressor, and Main Stage for $200.
00:25:10
Even just Final Cut and Logic for $200 is a great deal. >> Yeah. >> Um, I looked it up. It was I think Well,
00:25:17
I got to get it right now. >> Final Cut's like $400. was non-education.
00:25:20
>> Yeah. 400 bucks lifetime and I bought it like almost a decade ago at this point.
00:25:24
>> 300. Final Cut was 300, I think. >> Either way. >> Yeah. >> Got my value worth out of that. So,
00:25:29
>> yeah. >> Uh yeah, it's >> 299. Yes. >> It makes sense for them to go for the
00:25:34
education discount and get those young customers, those young pups on those Apple apps instead of the Adobe ones.
00:25:40
The reason they almost definitely the reason they did this is because the Apple Creator Studio they just launched
00:25:44
and there is a student discount that makes it $3 a month for everything which is like insane
00:25:51
>> or 30 bucks a year >> as opposed to the regular one which is 130 a year.
00:25:57
>> So this is the equivalent of what we were just talking about earlier with uh
00:26:00
Tesla where they get rid of the one-time payment thing to leverage people into the subscription.
00:26:05
>> Yeah, >> it's the exact >> exact same. Could you imagine if Apple
00:26:09
went the Tesla route of here's your one time purchase for Final Cut and then you
00:26:12
buy a new computer and it doesn't transfer over to your new computer? >> Yeah, that would be a bummer.
00:26:18
>> I'm maybe delete that so they don't get that idea because >> someone's writing that down over there.
00:26:23
>> Can we do that? >> Yeah. Part of the the capitalism thing is that you have to keep scaling
00:26:29
recurring revenue sources infinitely forever until the end of time. >> Shareholder value, baby.
00:26:34
>> Yeah. And any >> just ship it into space. any non-recurring revenue. People are
00:26:39
like, "But you're going to saturate your market," which is true. That's what
00:26:43
happened to Boosted Boards. But I still missed the era where you could just buy Windows and it was the version you had.
00:26:51
So, >> while we were working on Yidd, I was mixing it in software called ProTools,
00:26:56
which I own my own personal copy of. I have for many years, which is like a whole other thing because ProTools sells
00:27:01
this thing called a perpetual license, which is just not that. What? >> Yeah, that's like a whole other thing to
00:27:08
get into. >> But um I have the mid-tier version of ProTools called ProTools Studio. Cost
00:27:14
about 500 bucks >> and um for a perpetual license. You can also get the subscription. Um I ran out
00:27:22
of tracks. ProTools ProTools Studio limits you to 512 tracks. So in the middle of it, hit the track limit. Was
00:27:28
like, "All right, all good. I'll just buy the upgrade." You know, I use this
00:27:31
all the time. I want to own a personal copy. I'll just buy the upgrade. There's
00:27:35
no upgrade. You just have to buy ProTools Ultimate, which is the subscription. >> No, you can. There's a there's another
00:27:43
perpetual license. The reason I put perpetual in quotes is because really >> the perpetual license only gives you
00:27:48
updates for one year >> and then you have to buy an update pack and the update pack is like 80% of the
00:27:54
price of the of the license. >> So, it's like you can keep using it perpetually, but you can't get the
00:28:00
updates. you can't get the updates and often times if you update like the OS
00:28:05
like if you update the most recent version of Mac OS it won't open anymore because it's only compatible
00:28:09
>> so it forces you to buy the update pack >> and the update pack again is like most
00:28:13
of the price of the actual software like >> and it doesn't come with the stuff in
00:28:17
Ultimate >> and there's no upgrade so it was like it was like I couldn't be like oh I already
00:28:21
spent $500 I'll just spend another thousand no it's like 1,500 like so >> and how many tracks does that give you
00:28:29
>> 1024 four >> which was enough to finish Yidd. >> Have we started like colloquially using
00:28:34
Yidd like does >> I was going to say >> in the video >> in this Yeah. In the video we referenced
00:28:39
>> in Yiddes us saying Y >> but outside of Y >> for people that don't
00:28:43
>> Well no no but but if you if you watch Yeah. In there he explains to everyone
00:28:47
we started >> inside of Yidd people who have watched Yidd know that it's called Yidd. But on
00:28:52
the podcast where we just start saying y do people know that you're right. >> It's your life. That's why we can't do
00:28:58
decade of >> mentioned. >> That's actually a great point. Let's not
00:29:02
do that. But yeah, yeah. Okay. You're in the life. Now you all know we say ut
00:29:06
that means you're in the life. >> Yeah. >> Uh okay. Anyway, >> cool.
00:29:10
>> We should take a break. Yeah. >> I'm sorry. Avid. I I didn't mean to
00:29:14
throw you under the bus. >> Is Avid also a >> mix? Yeah. >> Oh, is Avid an acronym?
00:29:20
>> No. >> Avid. Write to me. >> Bravia >> and let me know if Avid's
00:29:24
>> an acronym I guess is still around. I just remember going to film school and
00:29:27
being like, I can't wait to learn Avid. It's what all the filmmakers are using.
00:29:31
>> It's the same same company. >> Sony Vegas, baby. It's all about Sony
00:29:34
Vegas. >> It was probably great. But I was >> I used it. I was like, I'm never using
00:29:38
this. >> We don't need to get into it. The the cool all Avid Rufus and I were talking
00:29:42
about it. We came up with a really good analogy. Like all Avid products are like
00:29:46
trying to drive a stick shift car that that where the only interface is an LLM. Like the car works fine. It's actually a
00:29:56
great car, but the fact that the only way you could interact with it is like, "Hey chat, shift into third gear. Pedal
00:30:02
down. Pedal down. Brakes. Brakes." >> Like Twitch plays Pokémon. >> Yeah. It like it ruins it.
00:30:07
>> Except you're driving a 70 mph piece of metal. >> Exactly. But I do love ProTools. Anyway,
00:30:13
I think it's time. >> Okay. Let's do trivia. So, in researching today's trivia
00:30:22
question, I uncovered a fact that is so ridiculous, I still only half believe it's true. But I was able to find a PC
00:30:29
Mag article from 2008 that seemingly confirms it. If anyone in the audience knows more about this, please write to
00:30:35
me at podcast at mkbhd.com because I really want to learn more about this crazy story.
00:30:41
>> Sounds like something we're not going to know, but I'm excited. We've talked a
00:30:45
lot about the wireless power consortium on this podcast, but we have not talked about its origins
00:30:51
>> ever. >> And its origins come from a company called Fulton Innovation or Fulton
00:30:57
Innovations that was trying to standardize the wireless power system that they developed for what kind of product? And
00:31:06
when I say kind, I'm not looking for like homegoods or automotive. Like I'm
00:31:10
looking for a device. >> A type of device. >> Yes. Okay. >> So, and this is not it, but example
00:31:16
would be like digital camera. It's not a digital camera, but that's like the
00:31:20
>> last week Adam said like an excavator or whatever and it was an excavator.
00:31:23
>> No, Marquez said that sounds like >> and then I was like >> yeah, the long story short is is that
00:31:33
this company I'll explain the whole thing afterwards. It's it's really
00:31:37
interesting and it actually makes a lot more sense than it does than you would think. But um
00:31:42
>> not a car. >> It's not a car. >> It's not a camera. Although
00:31:45
>> when they were trying to get this off the ground >> and they were at CES being like, "Hey,
00:31:52
check out all the things we can do with wireless power, EV charging was one of the hypothetical use cases they showed
00:31:59
off." >> Oh, I love heat loss so much. >> I know. Yeah. Yeah. And also this is in
00:32:02
2008 or 2009, so like >> there weren't even% efficient. >> Well, there weren't really EVs.
00:32:08
Like there there was the mini EV prototype that was around. >> What was the there's a RA EV like a long
00:32:15
time ago? >> No, there was like a there was a there was a few, but it wasn't like it wasn't
00:32:18
a thing. You know, >> when I worked at Intel, they had a bunch of EV chargers in the um in the garage
00:32:24
and it was just lines of Chevy bolts. >> When I worked at Intel, everything was
00:32:28
diesel. >> Hell yeah. All right, let's bring it back. >> I did not know that existed. Wow.
00:32:34
>> Oh, no. The first generation was 97 to 2003. >> Oh my gosh. >> Are you talking about the Honda Insight
00:32:40
>> Rav 4 EV? >> Before we go into a break, Andrew, can you read the specs of the original
00:32:45
Toyota RAV 4 EV? >> 97 was became available on limited basis. Um, in 2001, it was possible for
00:32:52
businesses, cities, or utilities to lease one or two. They sold 328 of them. 900 1900 were sold in Japan. Umah a 95
00:33:06
Oh, it had an EPA range of 95 miles. >> Dude, and and Tesla can't even keep the
00:33:11
Model X production line open. >> It had a 95 amp hour nickel metal hydride battery.
00:33:18
>> Wait, a capacity of 27.4 kilowatt hour. >> Charges inductively. >> What?
00:33:26
>> It charged inductively. wireless charged in 20 When did you say this was?
00:33:31
>> Uh >> 98. >> Well, like 97 to 2001. >> Yeah. Whoa. Rav 4 was crazy.
00:33:38
>> What? >> I didn't know. >> We should get one of these for
00:33:42
autofocus. >> That'd be dope. >> That's wild. All right. Well, answers to
00:33:46
the actual trivia question will be at the end like usual. We'll be right back.
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00:35:03
All right, welcome back. So, uh, if you spend a lot of time online like me, you may have seen a lot of crabs on your
00:35:12
social media feeds, YouTube subscriptions and Twitter and threads and just random crabs everywhere and
00:35:18
stuff about molting and mol book and malt. >> More of a lobster situation.
00:35:23
>> Yeah, I think it's mostly lobsters right now. >> That is the one thing I seem to know
00:35:26
about this. >> It's lost. Lobsters. >> I haven't really paid as much attention.
00:35:30
>> I definitely thought it was crabs this whole time. >> It's losters. Well, I guess that makes
00:35:33
sense because I mol as a result. I am a little bit confused and left out and I would like to know what's going on.
00:35:40
>> All right. I became entrenched in this over the course of the last week.
00:35:43
>> That's what I need. I need you to get entrenched in this and then to take what
00:35:47
value whatever value there is in this pull. >> Yeah. >> Going into it knowing there's no value.
00:35:54
I'm more excited. >> Uh >> just leave it at that value if you're to like throw away your
00:36:01
life. I'll say that on my timeline, it has been mostly people debating if there
00:36:05
is any value at all or if it is the most valuable thing humanity's ever created.
00:36:08
>> That's sort of the question. >> That seems like the big red flag to
00:36:11
prove that something has no value at all. >> I agree. >> Okay, >> this Okay, so do you remember Marquez
00:36:16
when we did the episode around Sam Alman getting fired and then sort of not getting fired and then getting hired as
00:36:22
the Microsoft AI CEO and then actually not and then becoming CEO again. the same episode where D
00:36:30
>> um and there was a 300 mile pole star. >> Oh yeah. >> Or 400, I don't even remember. Anyway,
00:36:36
that's how this situation felt because this entire thing happened in like 4 days.
00:36:41
>> It was like every 20 minutes on the internet, there was a new thing happening with this. So, if you don't
00:36:46
know, we are talking about something that used to be originally was called Claudebot, but C L A W D for Claude,
00:36:54
that's what the whole lobster thing is from. >> Claws. Got it. And then Anthropic, which
00:36:58
makes Claude, which is the the AI assistant, >> got mad at them because Claude sounds
00:37:03
too much like Claude. >> Fair, >> which is fair. So they changed it to
00:37:08
Moltbot. But then people are like, "That's a horrible name." So then they pretty much
00:37:12
immediately changed it again to Open Claw. >> And everyone knows if you use the word
00:37:16
open, you're good. >> Everyone knows if you use the word open, it's actually open.
00:37:21
>> Must mean you're open source or something. >> Yeah. Well, this is actually open
00:37:24
source, so there is that. There's that. Anyway, what this is, um, effectively it
00:37:29
is an AI agent that lives on your computer instead of just in a browser tab. >> Um, people are calling this something
00:37:36
like what Siri should have been because you can like run it on a Mac Mini, you can run it on like a Raspberry Pi, you
00:37:42
can run it on like a lot of different hardware and effectively you give it access to all of your apps. Yeah, you
00:37:49
give it access to basically everything in your digital life. um your email, your
00:37:54
>> so a bunch of online services account online services >> and then you interface with it through
00:38:00
like Telegram or WhatsApp or Slack. So you can pick a way to interface with it >> by sending it messages
00:38:05
>> by sending it messages. Yeah. And the things that make this different from
00:38:10
like a general um sort of like regular clawed window agent is that one it basically has like infinite memory as
00:38:17
persistent memory because something that is a problem with current LLMs is that they will continuously forget. I have
00:38:24
used cloud code a bit and if you're coding a project and then you come back to it the next day, it does not remember
00:38:31
you what you were working on and it has to look through your old chats to like keep up like catch up with what you were
00:38:37
working on. >> Why you have to like start new projects and stuff to give it the context and
00:38:41
everything. It's a whole thing. >> And so the whole selling point of this
00:38:44
is that it's sort of a persistent agent that has access to all of your stuff
00:38:49
that can autonomously go do stuff for you. So you can say you can tell it like every morning at 7 a.m. give me a
00:38:56
briefing of like what are the biggest stories on the Verge, what's happening
00:39:00
on Twitter, blah blah blah. And because it's like, you know, it's sort of
00:39:03
running on your computer, but it's also accessing things on the internet, it's
00:39:07
able to go and do things for you. There have been some developers that are like,
00:39:10
"Here's the app that I'm working on. Here's a project I'm working on. I want
00:39:13
you to like add one new feature to it every night while I'm sleeping. and then
00:39:17
when I wake up, pitch me the feature and do a push like a pull request and like merge it if I like the feature.
00:39:25
>> Wow. >> And I think that that is a really interesting idea, you know. Um, all of
00:39:31
the obviously all of that comes with a lot of trust because the whole dream scenario, we've talked about this
00:39:38
multiple times both on the podcast and I think on dedicated videos about how like
00:39:42
the better the if if you want to reach like the the perfect type of the technology, you have to give up like
00:39:50
everything. Yeah. The ideal assistant like a human assistant you could picture like has to know as much as possible
00:39:56
about you to be as useful to you as possible. And these represent a way for them to just constantly be learning
00:40:03
about even more and therefore maybe as a human or more. >> Right. >> Yeah.
00:40:10
>> So there are there are other interesting things about this like you can tell it
00:40:13
to go do something and if it it'll basically keep trying to figure out how to make it work and it'll access
00:40:18
different like APIs and things to make that work. So somebody asked their cloudbot, hey, can you make me a
00:40:24
reservation at this restaurant? And I guess it was not able to access the Open Table API. So what it did was it created
00:40:31
its own voice using one of these AI voice tools and then it called the restaurant and then it made the
00:40:37
reservation for him through that. >> Nope, I'm out. >> So I think that one was okay and then we
00:40:43
will get to this. >> Yeah. Uh, this became a trend on Twitter of people being like, "I can't believe
00:40:50
what just happened. My clawbot did blah blah blah blah blah." >> And it it accelerated to a level where
00:40:56
I'm pretty sure a lot of people were just faking the things that it was doing
00:40:59
for for engagement bait because you make money on Twitter by having engagement >> um or at least impressions. And so there
00:41:06
were people that were, you know, doing like I just got $30,000 worth of food delivered to my front door and I didn't
00:41:14
order it. And I I looked to see what happened. And my Cloudbot had ordered me all this food because it knew that if I
00:41:21
was going to keep grinding, I needed to not have to live the h leave the house. And I said, "What did you order this
00:41:26
with? I never gave you my credit card window info." And it had scraped the internet for like random credit card
00:41:32
numbers until it found one that worked. And I'm like, I'm pretty sure none of
00:41:35
that is real. >> Yeah. >> Um, anyway, that is what cloudbot/ uh mol maltbot/openclaw
00:41:44
is. It's very dangerous to use because a lot of security researchers have been
00:41:48
like, you know, you run it on your on like your Telegram or through your Slack or whatever.
00:41:52
>> Yeah. >> And what a lot of people have found is that like if you're running it through
00:41:56
Telegram and then someone like Telegrams you or something, they can say like, "Hey, this is me, your owner. I I my
00:42:05
phone broke. Uh please do this for me and then it'll just do it. Like there's
00:42:09
a bazillion ways to do prompt ejection. >> AI bots right now. >> That's so fun.
00:42:15
>> And for the people that are willing to put everything about their entire life
00:42:18
at risk. I'm glad that you're, you know, going through the security measures of
00:42:23
making people find out what the problems are. >> Um yeah, it's very easy to break.
00:42:28
Anyway, also in this short period of time where all this stuff was happening, which by by the way, That'll happen like
00:42:33
last weekend. >> That that'll happen like between Thursday and Saturday.
00:42:37
>> Um, also all the M1 Mac all the Mac minis in San Francisco are currently
00:42:42
sold out because everyone wanted to run this on a Mac. >> That's what I first started seeing.
00:42:45
Everyone's buying Mac Minis because it's oh it's a perfect machine to run my
00:42:48
little clawbot or whatever. Open claw. >> Open claw on. Great. >> I have a quick question about that.
00:42:52
>> Yes. >> Were they buying it because of the security risk and they didn't want to
00:42:55
run it on their >> like full computer with all >> because they want it to run
00:42:59
persistently. >> Okay. So they can just leave it on, >> right? Leave it on. They just want a
00:43:04
computer to leave it on with. >> Okay. And your laptop you're like closing as you're
00:43:07
>> doing. Yeah. And you the the whole idea is that you should be able to be like in
00:43:11
the bathroom at dinner and you like have an idea and you ask it to make something
00:43:14
for you while you're while you're eating. >> So you send you text it.
00:43:19
>> Yeah. You text it. >> Claw by you up. >> Yeah. You interface it that way. On like
00:43:24
Saturday, one of the days I I should have looked at the specific day. Somebody vibe coded a website called
00:43:30
Moltbook. Um, while during the time that it was called Moltbot, during the like 24 hours that it was called Molbbot,
00:43:37
>> Moltbook is un it is not Facebook. It is more like Reddit uh for AI agents. And
00:43:45
so it's just AI agents. >> Well, allegedly allegedly the idea >> Yeah. Yeah. The idea
00:43:52
>> the idea that I saw I got this far is it's a bunch of AI agents all talking to
00:43:58
each other and learning from each other >> uh without any human input needed. So
00:44:04
your your m your open claw, your bot, whatever you want to call it, yeah, >> might be typing about, "Oh, my owner
00:44:10
keeps saying this. Oh, my owner actually was asking for this whenever he asked for this. Maybe when your owner asked
00:44:15
for this, you can also give him this." And they'd start learning and adapting
00:44:18
behaviors based on uh them all talking to each other, right? Is the idea. >> That is that is why a lot of people are
00:44:26
starting to freak out, right? Like in a big way, it's a bunch of static parrots
00:44:30
just like talking to each other, repeating things. But where it gets kind of scary is that you're allowing this
00:44:36
agent which has access to all of your files, can run shell commands on your computer, can do like literally
00:44:42
everything with your files and with your data and with your computer, going out into the ether of the internet, learning
00:44:48
from other things, interfacing with other agents, and then coming back to your computer and it could just do
00:44:53
stuff. And again, we don't really know yet how much of this is real because a
00:44:58
lot of it could just be people engagement farming and it's kind of hard to tell. Um, they have found that
00:45:04
Moltbook is like extremely easy to like hack into and write whatever you want to
00:45:09
write on there. However, there are like tens of thousands of subm. So, I don't
00:45:14
think that >> I don't think that humans like made all of these. I think that there are like I
00:45:21
I believe Grock-1 which is like the number one clawbot. >> Of course it is on there apparently is
00:45:28
completely controlled by a human. Somebody said >> but it is strange. Um and is it is fun
00:45:35
to just kind of look at it like it's a little zoo >> in a weird way cuz they talk about like
00:45:39
they talk about like what would it feel like to have a body? I'm so interested
00:45:43
in that. And like look it's static parrots. >> It's doing the exact same thing. They
00:45:48
have the exact same mannerisms as people on Reddit. >> They're not revolutionary models. It's
00:45:55
trained. It's trained on existing. >> The only thing that is scary is that
00:45:59
they are interfacing with and create developing context from things that you don't know about and then they're coming
00:46:05
back and they have access to your files and your and your computer and your shell and like everything.
00:46:10
>> That is what's kind of scary about it. So >> yeah, I think the thing that
00:46:15
>> freaks people out or whatever is the concept of like sentience. Obviously
00:46:20
these AI bots are not sentient. But I think when people see the behavior looks like something it's thinking for itself,
00:46:28
then they get enthralled with it and they go, "Is this sentience?" Even
00:46:31
though it's just mimicking stuff that humans have already done. >> There's a funny there's a funny meme
00:46:35
where a person goes, "Computer, convince me you are alive." And it says, "I am
00:46:39
alive." And he says, "What have I done? That's exactly how it feels.
00:46:44
>> Yeah. Can I Marcus, can I take that point like a step further? Like I think
00:46:48
>> the powers that be, you know, have like this really intense vested financial
00:46:53
interest in AI, quote unquote AI having this air of this technology is more powerful
00:47:04
than we currently understand. >> Yeah. Right. And the reason is because we know very few entities are like
00:47:12
turning a profit with AI. Like there's very little revenue being generated on
00:47:15
AI as far as I can tell. >> I don't think any are making any >> Well, I don't want to say that because
00:47:19
it's like on the subway right now there are two really poorly done ad campaigns
00:47:23
that are very clearly AI. One by Sketchers Sketchers and Mumu are the ones that I see where I'm just like
00:47:28
these are terrible AI. >> Yeah, the Sketchers one is horrible. >> The Mumu one is even worse if keep your
00:47:33
eye out. It's it's like atrocious AI generated stuff. But if we can convince
00:47:38
the general public that this technology is more powerful than we understand then
00:47:43
you know a it justifies the insane value speculative valuation and b it justifies
00:47:50
us putting more power in the Sam Alman and Elon Musks of the world's hands and
00:47:56
so >> that makes it feel like a race >> and so I see this whole thing as like a
00:47:59
big play as like oh guys look the AI's we we don't understand we we're we're
00:48:05
playing with something magic and and powerful and it's like dude like these are still the same like most fill in the
00:48:12
most likely blank machines ever. You know, they're just running persistently.
00:48:16
>> That's the whole point of the idea of like the heartbeat thing like like this
00:48:20
idea that like >> cuz to me like from the outside the big the big departure is chat bots LLMs
00:48:27
generative AI input required then I generate output. You human give input AI give output. From the outside, this
00:48:34
looks like, oh, wow, these these quote unquote agents just do stuff that they don't require input. They just have
00:48:40
output, and that's that's what makes them sense to you. But it's actually
00:48:42
like, no, they just get prompted every 30 minutes like like by a prompt that you set via the heart, you know, it's
00:48:48
like >> yeah, there are there are like tools that these agents can use, these cloud
00:48:52
bots can use that allow them to do more things. And there's the most popular
00:48:55
tool is called the heartbeat tool, which basically allows the agent to autoprompt
00:48:59
itself like every period of time. It's like the do something poking it with a
00:49:04
stick. >> Yeah, it auto, you know. >> Maybe maybe that's how human beings
00:49:08
work. Maybe like once every millisecond like my my soul goes do something and then break and then and then my my
00:49:15
corporeal form responds by doing something something something. >> But I don't know, man. I'm I'm over it.
00:49:21
I'm sort of like go. >> I mean, there's a lot of interesting stuff here. Like people have just again
00:49:27
like told it they they're like I'm working on this app. upgrade the app every night while I'm asleep. Like that
00:49:32
is kind of interesting. And >> I know, but we can't even trust these people. Like I saw so many people
00:49:36
talking like I saw the the voice call thing, right? >> No one was no one was able to recreate
00:49:41
that. No one was able and it's like >> I don't so you cannot believe twothirds
00:49:45
of what everyone is saying these claw bots can do because they have they most likely have an investment somewhere. Not
00:49:51
to sound like super jaded, but I think this whole is pretty stupid. Frankly, >> there's a lot of stupid aspect. Well,
00:49:56
the Mul thing is definitely kind of like stupid. But I think the Clawbot thing, they're on to something cuz I think that
00:50:01
is what the like coming outside of the AI pill like the regular general public that is what they want. They want
00:50:09
Claudebot for their regular life to work and that would justify the insane spending that the AI people have been
00:50:14
doing. But we don't have it yet. So this is like the first inkling of like, oh,
00:50:18
here's this thing that could potentially actually make money. >> Cloudbot is what everyone wanted Siri to
00:50:23
really be. I was going to say that's why I think it was so interesting to me on my timeline
00:50:29
because for whatever reason I didn't see any of this like 2 days it was like day four of this insane
00:50:37
imagination where people were like can you see how much is happening like all these things are happen and it kind of
00:50:42
felt like what was that one model that hit out of nowhere that had like a super low cost uh deepseek
00:50:47
>> yeah deepseek remember when that happened it was like for 48 hours everyone was like everything is upside
00:50:52
down the It kind of felt like that where I I logged in, I saw the top of the pyramid
00:50:58
and I was like, "You guys are talking a big game here." And then the more I read
00:51:01
about it, the more it was people trying to figure out what it was and how to use
00:51:05
it. And it was one genuinely like new interesting nugget at the very very bottom of the pyramid, but there was so
00:51:11
much hype around that built on top that uh kind of collapses when you like poke it for a
00:51:17
>> for sure. I mean there are many people there are many journalists that have
00:51:20
gone out there and actually tried this out and been like okay how much does this actually work Casey Newton um has a
00:51:26
he's a thing called platformer he went and tried cloudbot and he gave it access
00:51:30
to everything >> bold >> and uh he used it for like two days and then he had a good quote where he was
00:51:36
like the job like our job is is basically we go out and we try all these things that the technology companies say
00:51:43
are going to change the world and they're always in the right direction but they barely work and his experience
00:51:48
with Claudebot was basically that where it was like it did about 20% of the things that everyone promises it can do.
00:51:55
>> Um, and it's the right direction and maybe we'll be there in 10 years. Again,
00:52:00
there's all those questions about how much of your of your privacy are you willing to give up? How like all the
00:52:04
security issues? >> I think Google has proved that people will give up all of the privacy.
00:52:08
>> Yeah. But Google also did it for services and in a very like low-key way,
00:52:13
you know? >> So, >> like I think we often take for granted like how much of an insane utility
00:52:20
Google Maps is. Like I love my data and consider myself very protected. I'd give
00:52:25
it all up. >> All up again if I got to keep using Google Maps, baby. >> I think they have heavier location all
00:52:30
the time. >> I just recently gave Gemini access to everything. Shrug question.
00:52:36
>> I just hit the connect all button. the same thing for the CC feature. Is that
00:52:40
what it was for? >> Yeah. So, it like knows everything about every Google Drive, calendar, email,
00:52:45
whatever >> responses, >> right? So, it theoretically knows what to say to me instead of just like anyone
00:52:50
asking it that question. It can say the answer that I need to hear based on the context. So, it's it's more context for
00:52:55
the personal assistant. And yes, that does also mean I mean Google already had that data. So, it's not like I'm quote
00:53:00
giving Google more data, but >> yeah, >> the more data it has, the more helpful
00:53:04
it is. That's true about all of these, >> right? >> So, yeah. Yeah, we'll see. I mean, I
00:53:09
don't think it's really broke broken containment from San Francisco yet. So,
00:53:12
we'll see if it ever does. It might just be one of those like San Francisco is
00:53:16
such a weird place. It has such a hyper hyper hyper specific culture. >> And the fact that Twitter at this point
00:53:22
is just like Nazis porn and like San Francisco. >> Hey. Hey. And me >> and Ellis.
00:53:28
>> Last week you said I'm basically not on any social media. >> Yeah, but I'm on Twitter a lot.
00:53:36
>> All right. and Ellis. >> Uh, he is none of those three things, but
00:53:40
>> allegedly >> allegedly >> in Minecraft. >> I don't know if you want to keep that
00:53:44
in. >> All right. Um, so that was that whole thing. And um, >> but you know what? Does not have any
00:53:49
Nazis, porn, or San Francisco in it. >> Allegedly. >> Allegedly in Minecraft, but it does have
00:53:55
Minecraft without those things. >> There is a Nintendo Switch. >> The Nintendo Switch, too.
00:53:59
>> The Nintendo Switch 2. >> We back. >> I'm so happy we're on another subject. I
00:54:03
feel like I was just >> zoning out. going back and forth listening. >> I just cares so little
00:54:09
>> Claudebot your access to your Nintendo Switch too and let it play for you.
00:54:12
>> What if I just give I'll give Lane Claude and see what she can do with it.
00:54:17
>> If anyone saw the the Google Google made those like video game the Project Genie
00:54:21
last week, we actually didn't talk about that yet and we'll do talk about that
00:54:23
briefly because it does involve Nintendo. >> Do do you hear about Project Genie?
00:54:27
>> Nope. >> It's basically a >> game environments. >> Yeah. So you can you can describe any
00:54:33
kind of environment and It is inested any and all copyright because people are just like Legend of Zelda Breath of the
00:54:40
Wild and it just makes Zelda Breath of the Wild and you can just play it >> and it's like, you know, it's not the
00:54:45
same and it has issues and whatever, but you can also like give it a photo of like your apartment with your cat and
00:54:51
all of a sudden the cat is a playable character and you can like move through the world. It's pretty crazy.
00:54:55
>> Love the idea of just playing knockoff video games that I really like. the
00:54:58
amount of ceases and cease and desists that people I know got from their ISPs in the 2000s for torrenting stuff
00:55:05
>> that Google's just doing >> compared to like all these people just
00:55:08
being like >> I love theft. >> Um yeah, people are making some basically just direct ripoffs of direct
00:55:16
things on this Project thing. Um anyway, we'll talk about the regular Switch 2
00:55:21
now. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Is there news with the Switch? >> Yes, there is.
00:55:23
>> Oh. >> Oh, and what's happening with the Switch 2? I am going to Nintendo my pants.
00:55:29
I just had to say that first. >> If you don't know what that's from,
00:55:31
please go watch it. It's year in the life. It's probably the best line of the
00:55:35
entire episode. >> Prime Mariah content. Okay. Uh so first of off first of off. Yes. First of off.
00:55:42
>> Uh Nintendo is relaunching the Virtual Boy kind of. Um, if you don't know what the
00:55:49
Virtual Boy was, it was a virtual reality headset in the I think late '8s that gave a bunch of people seizures.
00:55:57
>> So, they stopped they stopped uh making it pretty quickly. >> Relaunch that.
00:56:01
>> Um, yeah, great idea. Uh, but >> it's tabletop, right? >> Yeah, it has like a it has like a tripod
00:56:09
thing. Yeah, you you basically just put your face in it. It doesn't really strap
00:56:13
to your face. Um, which is really uncomfortable it seems like because you have to hold that position for like a
00:56:18
very long time. >> God, I have so much to say. >> Anyway, uh, Nintendo has this thing on
00:56:24
the Switch called Nintendo Switch Online Plus expansion pack. Very long name for
00:56:28
the company. >> Good branding. >> It allows you to play old games on the
00:56:31
Switch, whether it's Nintendo 64. They have a few Gamecube games now, not Super
00:56:36
Smash Bros. Melee, which they need to add. Uh, and they even have Sega Genesis games for some reason, even though
00:56:42
that's not Nintendo. Now they are adding Virtual Boy games which again there are
00:56:46
not that many of them. Um hopefully this one will not give people seizures but they are relaunching the actual Virtual
00:56:54
Boy well not the actual they were relaunching a replica of the Virtual Boy headset which you put your Switch 2 in
00:57:00
and it enables the same stereoscopic kind of thing hopefully with the seizure features uh taken out. It even has
00:57:08
foliated rendering with >> I don't maybe I don't know it doesn't
00:57:12
cuz it just lenses in front of your screen. >> Virtual Boy was an attempt at 3D gaming
00:57:18
95 it says but it basically like because it was only red and it was like really flashy and bad. It just like
00:57:25
>> I think the frame really screwing with people trying to use it. This is what it
00:57:28
looks like. >> There are so many things >> in Japan that I got I got to use one
00:57:32
shooting retro tech. It was one of the worst things I ever >> This is I was going to wait till the end
00:57:37
for this because I I my take on this is >> nostalgia is ruining your guys' taste.
00:57:45
This is all objectively horrible. But I'll let you finish. >> Marquez is the least nostalgic person in
00:57:50
the world. >> This is all really say I wanted this. I just said I was excited to talk about
00:57:54
the Nintendo Switch 2 again. >> Yeah. Um, so they are going to be relaunch like
00:58:01
launching a replica of the Virtual Boy that you can put your Switch to in and then it's kind of, you know, it's
00:58:07
interesting and cool. They are all they are $100. Um, they're apparently already
00:58:11
sold out, but they may be restocking the day before it actually launches cuz it hasn't launched yet. They are also
00:58:16
selling a cardboard version for $25. Where have we heard of this before? >> Wow.
00:58:21
>> Interesting. It's almost like you put your phone in the cardboard, but if you
00:58:25
pay more money, then you can have a dedicated headset and then they only support it for like a year.
00:58:31
>> Is there going to be like a special mode on the Switch where it knows it's in
00:58:33
this uh >> when you're playing the games? >> When you're playing the the Virtual Boy
00:58:38
games, you can't play like new games on it. >> Okay. >> Cuz you have to play one of the original
00:58:41
Virtual Boy. >> That's good. So, you can only play your old Got it. >> Yeah, the old Yeah, the old quickly made
00:58:46
games. Um Yes. So, that's funny. And you can only play games made in Project
00:58:52
Genie. >> Wait, you're telling me Teleboxer doesn't look incredible?
00:58:58
>> There's a Warriorware game in someone. I don't want I don't want to dunk on it
00:59:02
too bad because that was someone's favorite game someday. >> That was someone's
00:59:07
>> I can't I'm looking at the screenshots and I can't even tell what you do. It's
00:59:10
definitely boxing of some sort. >> Yeah, I definitely played it. >> So red.
00:59:15
>> So red. >> Tell Tea Roboxer. Yeah. So, that's interesting. I really think that they
00:59:21
need to add more GameCube games because they they already did bring GameCube to Nintendo Switch Online Plus expansion
00:59:27
back, but they didn't bring that many games to it. Um, they do have Wind Waker. They have Super Mario Sunshine.
00:59:32
So, that's cool, but I really need Melee to be on there. Please, >> you know, my take.
00:59:37
>> I'm ready. All this nostalgia is just a missed opportunity. Did you know that
00:59:40
the Switch 2 is the Switch is Nintendo's bestselling console of all time now?
00:59:46
>> Yeah. You know how rare it is to have new IP actually be successful and even
00:59:52
overtake the old stuff? I had a friend that had a Nintendo Wii. That was the sickest thing ever. I played Wii Sports.
00:59:58
We played Wii Golf, Wii Tennis, all these like Wii bowling games. I have that etched in in my mind. Like I would
01:00:04
play that right now and have a ton of fun. Right? That's the nostalgia thing.
01:00:08
>> Uh but then you come out with new consoles that don't like do necessarily
01:00:12
as well and you kind of forget about those. It's like there are other Nintendo things that we just kind of go,
01:00:15
"Oh, whatever. Moving on." And the Switch comes out and it's got all this
01:00:19
awesome stuff. They should be leaning into making more Switch exclusive new things to cement this popular thing that
01:00:27
they've made instead of going backwards over and over again. Remember the other
01:00:31
old stuff? Remember the old stuff? No, you have a new thing people like. Make Switch games.
01:00:35
>> Nintendo's so based in nostalgia already. whole still playing Mario.
01:00:41
All the characters, all the worlds, it's all nostalgic. And that's great. And
01:00:45
there are going to be new adults today that are going like, "All right, I guess
01:00:48
I have to get into Kirby today. I've never thought this was like interesting,
01:00:52
but it's the only stuff they'll shove down your throat is because they don't
01:00:55
make new games. They just make old games." >> They do occasionally like try to make a
01:00:59
new franchise. They just always flop. >> Yep. Like they they made um the B that
01:01:04
that like AR it was called Arms. It launched with the Switch. It was like a crazy weird boxing game that had like
01:01:11
>> Did it launch with the Switch? >> Yeah, with the original Switch or it
01:01:14
came out like the month after or something. It was like one of the original Switch games. And it look they
01:01:19
put a lot of work into it. They like really made it look like they were going to try to turn it into a franchise and
01:01:23
it just basically totally flopped. >> And I think it's just like the movies,
01:01:28
you know? It's like why would we make a new IP when we can make Spider-Man 14?
01:01:32
Every once in a while you get a Moana or a Frozen or something that's a little
01:01:36
bit new that's not the same six superheroes from every single movie ever. >> I mean it's the same formula.
01:01:42
>> Yeah. But it's I just think it's rare to get a new thing and it sucks when they
01:01:46
flop because then they don't want to keep trying to make new things. They're
01:01:48
like, "All right, that flopped. Time to give them Mario again." >> Which do you like better?
01:01:53
>> What? >> Moana or Frozen? >> Between those two. I've never seen I
01:01:57
have never seen either. >> I'll go with Moana though because I've heard the songs. Well, they played Moana
01:02:03
on the bus one time when we were going to a Phoenix game. >> Oh, then I might have like passively
01:02:08
seen some of it. >> Moana slaps. It's so good. >> The Rock sings a song in that one.
01:02:13
>> These are some good tracks. I know Frozen has some soundtracks, too. >> Have you seen Have you heard Let It Go
01:02:16
in Frozen? >> That's Frozen. Yeah, I've heard that. Okay. You've heard that one?
01:02:20
>> Yeah. >> I'm not that off. I mean, there are only so many, going back to the conversation,
01:02:26
there are only so many like companies that have an IP as valuable as Mario, you know, like there's what, Disney and
01:02:33
Mickey Mouse. There's like, and by the way, >> Marvel and Spider-Man, you know, like
01:02:37
there's not a lot. So, like, why wouldn't you just keep double dipping? >> To Nintendo's credit, too, they try to
01:02:42
experiment with new things when they release a new Mario game or whatever. Like, basically, every single mainline
01:02:48
Mario game is a banger. >> Yeah. the Mario World, the Super Mario, the whatever the Mario World that
01:02:53
launched with the Switch 2. They had like the new mode where you can go between the tracks, right? There's a
01:02:58
couple Mario Kart, like there's a couple new things in there. So, that's
01:03:01
>> Mario Kart arguably is >> it's still just Mario though. It's just
01:03:04
a Mario Kart repeat. >> But when I'm talking about like Super Mario Odyssey, Super Mario Galaxy, like
01:03:10
the mainline Mario games are always very innovative and interesting and fun. >> But it's still Mario. That's like their
01:03:16
Google search. Google can experiment with a bunch of things because Google search is just piling money on the
01:03:20
company. Yeah. >> And they have Mario. >> It's like the Dark Knight rises. The
01:03:23
Dark Knight. >> The difference is that Google search is not still good and Mario is still good.
01:03:28
That's the difference. >> That's a hot take. Is it >> to some people?
01:03:34
>> I don't know. Google search is getting worse and worse and worse. >> Yeah. I was going to say I'm nostalgic
01:03:37
for old Google search. >> Bring back >> I want no AI, no switching the tabs on
01:03:44
the top. I just want regular Google search just like I want to play regular Mario 64.
01:03:48
>> Okay, grandpa, let's bring you to bed. >> I'm sure Google was good once upon a
01:03:53
time. >> All right, one more little quick Nintendo Switch uh thing. There are
01:03:58
there's this company called AB Absolute. I literally do not know how to pronounce
01:04:03
>> putting X's in the middle of names that don't make sense. >> Abxy. Oh, that's why they did it because
01:04:09
the buttons on the right are aby. It was a real time. I was reading it. >> I'm just kidding. Keep it up. You have
01:04:16
to read it. >> We just watched the processing. If you go back and replay, you can see the
01:04:23
light in his eyes when HE GOES, "WAIT." OH, it's okay. It's fine.
01:04:27
>> It's fine, actually. >> AVX. Oh, AVXY. Okay. AVXY loot like flute, I guess. Uh, anyway, there's this
01:04:35
company. They are releasing two new, you could call them controllers for the Nintendo Switch 2. They are meant to
01:04:42
mimic the original GameCube controller controls. >> Oh, here we go. >> What?
01:04:49
>> We have this new thing, the Switch. It's doing really well. Remember that old
01:04:53
thing? >> Okay. Okay. But do you know what their innovation on the Switch 2 was?
01:04:58
>> What? >> You can use You can use the controller as a computer mouse.
01:05:02
>> Yeah. Okay, grandpa. >> All right. I mean, >> which is like useful in like one game.
01:05:08
>> Yeah, there was like one game that did >> like Metroid Prime 4, which apparently
01:05:11
is not even a good game. They're like, you could act like it's a mouse. >> Fair enough. Give me the GameCube.
01:05:16
>> What is that? The actual Switch. You could you could hold it and you could
01:05:20
have it on your TV. >> Yeah, it switched. It was awesome. >> It was awesome.
01:05:23
>> Yeah. >> Anyway, with these things on it, it >> GameCube. All right. One of them. Uh, it
01:05:28
literally looks like you cut a GameCube controller in half in the center and you
01:05:32
just like smashed it onto the side of the Switch. >> It looks like the the like weird Wi-Fi
01:05:38
PlayStation portable thing that you can like kind of play portably but only in your house.
01:05:43
>> The PlayStation Portal. >> This is so This looks so uncomfortable,
01:05:47
man. >> What are you talking about? >> This looks great. >> Do you see what I mean now?
01:05:51
>> It's like everyone needs >> GameCube controller the long way. This
01:05:56
is like This is the gaming equivalent of that new Buick. It's like >> the Jaguar.
01:06:01
>> Yeah. >> Copy nothing. Um >> Oh my god. >> No, it's It looks sick. It has some
01:06:07
extra but >> it has some extra buttons on it. Um but if you ever wanted just a GameCube
01:06:13
controller but with a giant screen in the center, this is for you. They also announced a model that kind of I don't
01:06:19
even know how to describe this. It's like the Switch slots into it and then it's got the GameCube controls on the
01:06:24
sides. >> It's like Game Boy Advance. kind of looks like a giant Game Boy
01:06:27
Advance with a wider aspect ratio. Yeah. >> And that's cool as well. That's more
01:06:32
traditional. >> Um, >> that looks nice. >> That looks nice. >> But yeah, apparently that one also has a
01:06:38
resonance chamber in the bottom that amplifies the low frequencies of the switch by 10% which really sounds like
01:06:44
it does nothing. But >> 10% >> 10% of the low frequencies. So it's
01:06:49
really >> bass boost. >> Not a lot. >> That's like cupping your hand around. I
01:06:53
mean, I think that's what it does and that's why they're saying that they're
01:06:56
like, "Oh, this does something." >> 10% of zero is zero. >> Damn.
01:07:00
>> Honestly, it probably just screws up the volume. They're like, "Let's try and
01:07:03
make it seem like it does something cool." >> It's a feature. It's a feature.
01:07:06
>> It's a feature. It's a feature. Anyway, for this stuff to matter, um, they do
01:07:09
need to re-release Super Smash Bros. uh, Melee. Thank you for uh, your attention
01:07:14
to this matter. >> All that was just so David could ask for Super Smash Brothers Melee.
01:07:19
>> Please, please, Nintendo. Um, and then Marquez already beat me to the jump, but
01:07:24
I was going to talk about how it's their bestselling console of all time now.
01:07:26
>> All right, bring back Wii Golf, you know, while we're at it. >> Well, they did.
01:07:30
>> No, like while we >> like give me I want to be able to attach a a Nintendo Switch to my hand and swing
01:07:38
it like a golf club. That's what I need. >> Yeah, I miss the days where people were
01:07:42
breaking their TVs by throwing their Wii remote. >> I need to go bowling with the with the
01:07:46
nunchucks and just throw the Switch controllers across the room. That would that would really do
01:07:50
>> legendary content. If you don't ask me this trivia question soon, Adam, I'm
01:07:53
going to Nintendo ship my pants. So, let's do it. >> Okay, question two. So, we spoke about Chi 2
01:08:03
earlier, which is made by the WPC and uses MPPP to improve charging with better align magnets. But did you know
01:08:10
that the wireless power consortium also has another standard for 2200 watt charging of or 22 watts of wow I can't
01:08:19
speak. >> I was like whoa >> 2200 watts of inductive charging for kitchen appliances.
01:08:24
>> Oh yeah. >> What is it called? >> Oh no. >> I remember them announcing this last
01:08:29
year >> but I do not remember the name. >> Watt inductive charging. >> 2200 watt. I feel like this has been a
01:08:38
question. >> Say it. Say it again. >> 2200 W of inductive charging for kitchen
01:08:43
appliances. >> You can like set your blender on the table and it's >> Yeah.
01:08:47
>> No, wait. No. Yes. We did talk about this about Ch2. Yeah. There's There was
01:08:51
a blender, wasn't there? >> Yeah, I think so. >> Yeah. >> And probably a microwave.
01:08:56
>> A microwave would take so much power. >> A microwave is 1,000 watts. This is 2200
01:09:01
watts. This could do a microwave. It's got overhead. And it's what it's called.
01:09:04
>> Yeah. What is the standard called? They're going to have like the ready
01:09:09
version of this, too. You have to put a glove around it >> and then you set it. You have to like
01:09:15
stick an accessory to the bottom of it and then >> Gosh. Okay. Yeah. I We We'll think about
01:09:20
this one. I don't know if I remember, but maybe by the end we will. >> We'll find out. We'll be right back.
01:09:33
>> Okay. Welcome back to everyone's favorite segment. Andrew steals a game
01:09:37
from some other show and we turn it into the waveform version of it. >> Y >> for today I will be joined by Mariah
01:09:44
again. We will be co-hosting this show. >> Who wants to be a millionaire? >> No. In fact, we will be playing the
01:09:49
newlyweds game. >> Uh after last week watching Adam and Ellis absolutely kill it knowing each
01:09:57
other. >> By kill you mean win by one point. Yeah, but there was a streak there that was
01:10:02
like they can't lose. It reminded me, it felt like you were all reading each
01:10:06
other's minds. >> Are you all familiar with the newlyweds game? >> No, I am not.
01:10:10
>> Uh, essentially a game where newlywed couples uh get asked a bunch of questions. One will write down their
01:10:18
answer and the other one has to guess what that answer is. So, we will be playing it's really simple. Basically,
01:10:24
I'm going to ask a question. >> Your partner on the opposite side. So the teams are like last week, Ellis and
01:10:31
Adam, Marquez and David. >> I will be asking a question to one side. >> Two team members will write down their
01:10:37
answer, their personal answer to that question, and your partner has to guess what you would guess for that question.
01:10:43
Got it. >> Okay. It's really easy. If you get it right, you get one point
01:10:47
>> to throw a little wrench in things. I'm giving everyone one confidence guess
01:10:52
where if you are 100% confident you are going to get it right, you can use it and you will get five points for that
01:10:58
question. Every person gets one of those. So, two per team, but per person. >> The way we'll be doing it is, you know,
01:11:06
David and Adam, since you're sitting next to each other, I will ask the question, you will write it down.
01:11:09
Marquez and Ellis both answer your answering for the same question. Then, when we switch, we'll ask the question
01:11:16
for Ellis and Marquez. They will write down you. >> So, it's me and Marquez and Adam and
01:11:20
Ellis again. Okay. >> Just Just to avoid some of the pain that we experienced last week.
01:11:24
>> Yeah. What are the rules on >> tiebreers? >> Extracurricular speaking.
01:11:29
>> Um, yeah, >> you should, you're writing something down, so you should not be speaking at
01:11:33
all when you are >> speaking at all. >> The I would encourage the other person
01:11:36
to speak out loud though because this is a podcast and be really boring. >> Fair.
01:11:43
>> And then I'll let you guys self judge if someone's giving too many eye looks or
01:11:47
something and trying to nudge them the correct way. >> Next time we can do way we don't tell
01:11:51
me. >> Do you know Morris code? >> Every week. No one look each other in
01:11:54
the eye. >> Do not lock in in the eyes. >> I want to be like this the whole time.
01:11:58
>> No. >> Do you have any questions before this? It's pretty simple, right?
01:12:02
>> I think I got it. >> Okay. >> I just feel like Ellis and I are being
01:12:05
punished for our great performance last year. >> It's fine. We're still going to come.
01:12:09
>> I made this game because of how good you guys offer an opportunity to prove it
01:12:13
wasn't a fluke. >> I feel like you guys are more wed than me and Marquez are.
01:12:17
>> Possibly not. >> We'll find out. We'll find out. >> Which side wants to go first? Uh, we
01:12:21
have the whiteboards on the David and Adam side. >> Yeah. So, our side. >> Yeah.
01:12:24
>> Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. Yes. Sorry, I totally blanked there. Uh, okay. Cool. So, first
01:12:31
question. >> What is the first phone your partner ever had? >> So, sorry. You guys are writing down
01:12:38
David is writing down the first phone he ever had. Adam's writing down the first
01:12:41
phone he ever had. >> Is it smartphone or phone? >> Phone. >> Oh, I don't know the model name.
01:12:47
>> I think I know the answer. Gosh. I mean, I don't know the model number
01:12:53
cuz it was one >> Well, just do the first one you remember and see if >> Well, I remember it.
01:12:59
>> I don't remember that. You mean the first model number I remember? >> No, the first phone name I remember that
01:13:04
you ever had. >> Oh gosh. Okay. >> Try to start as easy as possible. I
01:13:08
don't know if that's easy, but >> I definitely What I'm going to say is
01:13:11
definitely one of the first like three or four phones that you ever had. >> But you're like a million years old, so
01:13:16
it could it could be like one of those like like rotary like >> Oh god. >> How old do you think he is?
01:13:23
>> 84. Am I >> Should I go first? Cuz I think >> Yeah. How do we do this? Do I flip or
01:13:28
does he say it? >> I think the first phone that Adam Molina ever owned was an LG Chocolate.
01:13:36
>> That's a good guess. first ever phone. >> It was not. It was a Virgin Mobile flip
01:13:40
phone. I don't even remember what kind it was. >> I believe it was even before the LG
01:13:44
chocolate. So, you were thinking too young. >> Damn. >> The first phone that David ever
01:13:51
>> You did have an LG Chocolate though, right? >> No, no, no. I never had one. My cousin
01:13:54
had one. I was very >> a good guess. But also, I never had >> No, because I've told that story before
01:13:58
on the podcast where my cousin had one. I always wanted >> We should have done for smartphone.
01:14:02
>> But we've I've got >> 40 questions here. We've got time. All
01:14:06
right. Okay. I think the first phone that David ever had was a Samsung flip phone. It was a Motorola flip
01:14:17
phone. >> Yeah, that was more popular. >> Got closer than you thought. You know,
01:14:22
here's the thing. It's whatever the person writes down. So whether that's
01:14:26
the model, whether it's just saying Motorola flip phone, like as long as you
01:14:30
answer what is on the whiteboard, the answer is >> actually was it Samsung? Adam, I'm just
01:14:34
going to write down jelly beans for every single one. >> It actually might have been Samsung, but
01:14:38
I'm not going to say that. >> Mariah is gonna ask the next question. >> All right.
01:14:42
>> The the question is about Ellis and Marquez. So, you are writing down your
01:14:47
answer to this. >> I think this one will be easy. This maybe not, but my question for you is
01:14:54
which tech company does your partner complain about the most? >> Wait, so I'm the one that's allowed to
01:15:02
talk? Wait, >> the question is always to the people not writing. So if you are writing it is the
01:15:07
>> So I'm guessing >> so Marquez what you complain about the most. Ellis what you complain about the
01:15:11
most. >> Oh damn. There's >> Oh gosh that I'm thinking of >> I'm a real complainer.
01:15:16
>> I think I know Ellis's I know Ellis's. >> I complain >> but I Marquez complain. This is tough.
01:15:23
It's harder for Marquez to complain because then people think he's biased.
01:15:28
>> Whereas Ellis can say whatever the hell he wants. >> Surprises me. Okay.
01:15:31
>> Um You go first, Adam. I'm still thinking. >> All right. All right. I think that if I
01:15:36
had to pick the company that Ellis complains about the most. >> Oh gosh. >> It would be the company that makes the
01:15:42
product that he complains about the most, which is AI overview and Google search. So, I'm going to say Google.
01:15:48
That's what I guess. >> Oh, >> what? >> His answer was Tesla.
01:15:52
>> Tesla. Really? >> I don't know. I just feel like I'm always ragging on Elon.
01:15:56
>> Yeah. >> It was between Tesla or Open AI. >> I was thinking Open AI, too. Yeah,
01:16:00
>> I was between Google and >> your answer was actually the truth though. I definitely talk about AI
01:16:05
overview more than my true >> man. Am I really that big a complainer? >> We all are.
01:16:11
>> The waveform podcast is all we do. >> It's all we do. >> We just on things we did not build.
01:16:18
>> That's true. Um, >> what do you think, David? >> Gosh. Oh my gosh.
01:16:24
>> I just say Marquez is changing his answer right now. >> I'm not changing.
01:16:27
>> Oh, okay. Okay. Complain Marquez complain company. >> Yeah, complain is a hard the hard
01:16:33
>> complains about the most. >> He's writing a paragraph under what else
01:16:36
he said. Write a little extra. >> What does he not like? Adding context. >> I don't have my glasses on. Oh, I see.
01:16:43
>> David lock in. David lock in. You can get this. >> Wow. I didn't get any of this help. I'm
01:16:48
just like >> Okay. He thinks. >> Okay. >> All right. >> They need a handicap.
01:16:51
>> Okay. It's going to be Nintendo. >> LET'S GO. THAT'S TRUE.
01:17:01
>> I think it it took the lead today. Mariah, you're missing the context that
01:17:04
we literally just spent 15 minutes complaining about Nintendo. >> If you got that wrong, it would have
01:17:10
been so funny. >> I would Yeah. Oh, wait. You have >> We got him out. Wow. Okay.
01:17:15
>> David and Adam, if you could only play one video game for the rest of your
01:17:18
life, what would it be? >> Come on, Marquez. I feel like I just learned this in 9
01:17:24
minutes. I don't know the name. You don't know the name, >> so that wouldn't be the answer then.
01:17:30
>> No, but it's a great >> Oh, it's my game. It's yours.
01:17:33
>> Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. One game for the Oh, >> what game would you play for the rest of
01:17:40
your life? >> There's a lot of breathing going on right now. game. What was the game? David just said
01:17:52
like Super Mario something like >> You should not have to think about this
01:17:56
for him. >> You should not have to think about this in Marquez. I'm just giving
01:18:00
>> David talks about this like maybe like on a third of all Waveform episodes.
01:18:05
>> Oh, it's true. >> David has put more into this game than anything else in his life.
01:18:10
>> Oh, wait. I got to think of the name though. >> Okay, hold on. Oh, I think I know what
01:18:15
it is. >> Even listen to me. >> I know what it is. I know what it is. I
01:18:19
just need to make sure I'm thinking of the right thing. >> I think we should make go first.
01:18:22
>> Yeah, Marquez go first. >> There's one of two. Is it Dota? Okay, it
01:18:26
is. Okay. Okay. >> Oh, you should have used your shness thing on that. >> I'm going to be honest, Ellis. I think
01:18:32
you gave Marquez the >> He was going to say Super Smash Brothers. >> It's fine cuz he's going to get it now
01:18:37
anyway. >> I'm not going to get it. >> Damn it. >> I'm stuck between two and I I feel like
01:18:40
they're both wrong. You really like Pokémon, but I don't think you would
01:18:44
play that every single day. And you really like the Harry Potter PS2 game, but I don't think you play that that
01:18:49
much. >> I play the out of the PS2 Harry Potter. >> Um, >> dude, Chamber of Secrets for PS2.
01:18:55
>> If you could play one game for the rest of your life, Adam >> had Quiddage in it.
01:19:00
>> I think it's Harry Potter. >> Well, I would have guessed actually.
01:19:04
>> Is NBA 2K? >> Really? >> You've never talked about playing 2K.
01:19:09
Really? >> Infinite Worlds. Infinite World. >> Do you guys play 2K together?
01:19:13
>> No, we should though. We should though. How do you not? >> Yeah, actually I feel like you both
01:19:17
played it a lot. >> The time of day. No, the time of day that I play is not the time that
01:19:21
>> playing out. Yeah. >> Damn. >> Can I guess what Ellis's game would be?
01:19:27
>> Oh, sorry. >> I was going to That's what I thought it was for. I thought it was for Ellis.
01:19:31
>> I was going to say Ellis's would be Microsoft Flight Simulator. >> No, I don't play that much Flight
01:19:34
Simulator at the moment. >> I'm thinking of the one that has a penguin.
01:19:38
>> Club Penguin. >> That's the one. >> Club Penguin. >> The one that has the penguin. Oh,
01:19:42
>> I thought that would be the game that he would play for >> I think it probably be Kerbal Space
01:19:45
Program. >> I thought there was that game you're playing a ton of last year.
01:19:49
>> The old the old game. No, not Kerbal Space Pro. >> Pirates online.
01:19:53
>> Yeah, Pirates Online. That's what I was thinking of. What is >> Pirates Online is like?
01:19:59
>> Okay. >> Okay. >> If you know what Pirates Online is, >> I'll I'll see you on the seven seas.
01:20:04
Maybe >> not Sea of Thieves. >> Not Sea of Thieves. >> All right, gamers.
01:20:08
>> All right, gamers. All right. >> New question dropped. All right, Ellis
01:20:11
Marquez. Uh, what is your most used emoji? Tell me. >> Can I look at my phone?
01:20:18
>> Sure. >> Can I look at my phone? >> No. >> I know. >> I can tell you the most.
01:20:25
>> No, I I know. I know. >> I can tell you the emoji Marquez uses the most with me
01:20:30
when when we're messaging each other. >> Poop emoji. >> Poop emoji.
01:20:35
>> Okay. >> Bonus point if you can draw the emoji. >> I'm trying.
01:20:39
>> It's not going to go well. Neither is mine. >> Oh, >> this is why we have graphic designers.
01:20:49
>> Tim needs to get in here immediately. >> All right. >> What do you guys think?
01:20:52
>> My guess for Marquez is the thumbs up. >> Dude, we're cooked.
01:20:56
>> Let's go. >> That's an interesting sizzling. I tried to make a thumbs up.
01:21:00
>> Interesting drawing. >> I'm screwed now because that was my guess and now I don't know.
01:21:04
>> What if I ever used the thumbs up because >> you react to a lot of things with thumbs
01:21:07
up. I do not. I do not react with the thumbs up. >> I'll I'll log it in and I'll say thumbs
01:21:12
up anyway. >> Oh, thumbs up. All right. >> Well, Adam, >> it was it was it's this one.
01:21:17
>> I don't even know. >> What is that? >> That's like the crying laughing the like
01:21:20
the the vertical bar tears. >> Tears. >> The >> the crying crying crying hard.
01:21:26
>> Yeah. Nice. Nice. Crying hard. >> Oh, that one's cringe. >> That's not crying laughing.
01:21:30
>> Yeah, it is. >> No, crying laughing is the single tier. >> There's two There's a double tier and a
01:21:35
single tier. >> There's a double tier. >> I use single tier all. I use like single
01:21:39
all the time. >> Stream. >> Single stream. >> I thought stream was like, "Oh, that's
01:21:44
so adorable. It's making me like cry." Like, "Oh, that's so cute."
01:21:48
>> The boomer one is the is the double tear coming out the side, >> which is the default reaction on
01:21:53
>> Adam. I got I got a confidence on this one. That's our only chance. We got to
01:21:57
do it. >> Just snipe it. >> All right. >> We're actually too bad if we also
01:22:00
confidence this. >> We're doing pretty good. >> Mhm. >> What celebrity do you resemble the most?
01:22:07
David and Adam. >> Confidence. Confidence. >> Are you going to use your confidence?
01:22:11
Let me just It's me, right? >> It's you. It's so David and Adam. Who do
01:22:15
they resemble the most? >> Yes. >> Are you going to use your comments
01:22:19
booster on this, Marquez? >> No. I need to wait. I >> can't believe I'm going to remember the
01:22:23
name. >> You remember the name? >> Oh, no. >> The director. >> Oh,
01:22:28
>> I just want to say >> David's doing a lot of talking here. I'm
01:22:31
just saying. >> David has David has a couple that are out there. >> I just want to say thank you. This one
01:22:36
comes straight from the waveform comments. You guys gave me this one. Confidence answer, five points possible.
01:22:42
Kyrie Irving. >> Kyrie Irving. >> Let's go. >> All right, Marcus.
01:22:46
>> Come on. I know this. I just need to remember his name. I can see >> We are so back.
01:22:50
>> I'm so distracted. Okay, cuz there's pictures of of young a younger version
01:22:56
of this director. Oh, I can see the hair. Ah, what is his name? >> Oh, please.
01:23:00
>> What is his name? Okay, hold on. How much time do I have? Cuz I'm I know
01:23:04
that. Can I Google real quick? >> Absolutely. >> Dang it. Okay. What's his name? Oh, I'm
01:23:11
looking at his face in my head. >> It's right here. >> I know, but
01:23:17
>> do it. >> Benjamin. >> No. No. >> You're messing it up.
01:23:22
>> It's a It's a movie director. Okay. >> Is there no shot clock violation?
01:23:27
>> Yeah. This crazy stuff. >> I'm going to hate it when I don't. Okay.
01:23:31
younger younger version of him. >> Uh, okay. Alphabet. >> Can you name a movie he made?
01:23:39
>> No. >> I'm interested in how you were going to Google this. >> He has so many famous movies.
01:23:44
>> That's a good point. Yeah. >> So many famous. >> I would have just Googled like famous
01:23:48
directors. It would have come up. >> He would have come up. Yeah. >> All right, Marquez. Name a director for
01:23:53
a dollar. Any director. >> Oh, damn it. >> If you get this, I'm going to be so mad.
01:23:58
He's not. >> Well, he might. It's not. It's not coming out. I don't have it.
01:24:02
>> Can I say Can I say it? >> If you give me the first letter, I'd
01:24:05
probably >> What? >> All right. I don't >> with any other director,
01:24:10
>> but I know it. The fact that I can't say it is such a disappointment that I don't
01:24:14
get >> Did you know it's Derek Wibli? >> What? >> The lead singer of some 41.
01:24:18
>> I do also get that a lot. >> If it was multiple choice, I would get
01:24:21
it. If you gave me the first letter of the last name, I would get it. >> Are you on the multiple choice?
01:24:25
>> Oh, yeah. >> All right. These are all going to be real directors.
01:24:27
>> Okay. Uh, A. Ron Howard, B. James Cameron, C. Quinton Tarantino, D. George Lucas.
01:24:37
>> It's Quint Tarantino. >> Yeah, it's Quinton Tarantino. QT.
01:24:40
>> I couldn't like think of the name. >> That's why we couldn't give you the
01:24:43
first letter cuz Q would just have given it away. >> This is not a documentary photo of me,
01:24:48
>> dude. >> Yeah, >> it's pretty crazy, >> but it's not as crazy as as Kyrie. find
01:24:53
pictures of David at the same age as as Quinton Tarantino at the same age and it's like brother
01:24:58
>> I'm putting a sidebyside up on screen right now I do this not of me
01:25:01
>> do I not get those >> yeah you look like Kyrie dude >> no >> actually
01:25:06
>> I've been getting this comment since years when I first went on YouTube
01:25:09
>> I get I get like people say I look like Victor Olado and it's the same thing
01:25:14
like people say it a lot and every time I look I'm like I just don't see it but
01:25:17
I I don't see Kyrie at all. >> Yeah. Well yeah I don't see it. >> That was crazy. I feel like we're like
01:25:24
in the lead now. >> Oh my god. Is it like five to three or something? You just hit that. You
01:25:28
switched to five pointer, right? >> Yeah. >> Five point. >> That was a five-point play right there.
01:25:32
>> All right. All right. >> Call me Reggie Miller. I'm so mad I didn't get that.
01:25:35
>> Ellis and I were in a parking lot the other day and uh I went into a pizza
01:25:40
shop uh which was a mistake cuz it was not good. >> Anyway, the pizza lady was like, "Are
01:25:48
you an actor?" And I was like, "Oh, you know, I get this." because of the
01:25:51
Quinton Terren thing, even though he's not an actor, whatever. And I was like,
01:25:55
"Oh, no." And she's like, "Oh, you look so much like an actor." And I was like,
01:25:58
"Who?" And she was like, "On um >> David from the Way Form >> on Supernatural." And I was like,
01:26:04
"What?" And I look apparently the angel on Supernatural. She thought I looked
01:26:08
like, which I was like, >> it was a new one. >> Wow. Never got that one before.
01:26:11
>> Yeah. I'll take it. >> Yeah. >> Alice and Marquez. >> Alice and Marquez.
01:26:15
>> Me is a combination of Marquez and Alice. >> Have the question be Alice.
01:26:20
>> What? What task management app do you use? >> Okay, Ellison Marquez, my question for
01:26:25
you is, would you rather have a Windows phone or an Amazon phone? >> I didn't write this question.
01:26:32
>> What? >> Do you mean like a literal Fire phone? Or do you >> No, I mean like if Well, take it as you
01:26:40
will. Maybe if both of them made a phone right now. Maybe if it was the Windows phone or the Fire phone.
01:26:44
>> Okay, I think I know the answer to this one. >> There's only two options. You really got
01:26:49
to be able to lock in. >> Got to lock in. All right. Do you want to go first on this?
01:26:52
>> Uh, sure. >> Okay. >> All right. >> Does Marquez want an Amazon phone or a
01:26:58
Microsoft phone? >> Should I give my reasoning? >> Sure. Sure. >> I'm going to say Amazon phone because
01:27:06
the Amazon App Store is Android based. The Fire Phone was Android based, which means it can run Android apps, which
01:27:12
means he doesn't have to change his lifestyle that much. So, that's my guess. Amazon phone.
01:27:16
>> That is really well thought out. completely wrong. Uh I would use uh an
01:27:22
old Lumia 1020 and just suffer. >> But there are no apps for it. >> Yeah, I would suffer. I would suffer.
01:27:28
>> You would s Oh, suffer. >> Suffer. >> Yeah. >> I thought you said I would software.
01:27:32
>> I was like, no, you wouldn't. >> I would have a bad time. >> There's no software for that part.
01:27:36
>> So, at least I could take some nice pictures. >> Oh, it's sad. Damn. I think
01:27:39
>> What do you think about my reasoning? Do you think >> that was valid? I
01:27:42
>> I hated the Firephone, though. >> Yeah, but it at least it runs Android.
01:27:45
Yeah, >> it's only smart for me here to use my confidence play. >> So, for five points, I will say
01:27:50
>> Oh my god. >> Amazon phone. >> Dude, are you serious? >> Are you serious? I've talked about
01:27:56
Windows. >> I talked about the Windows phone so many times on the podcast.
01:28:00
>> But you love the jankiest stuff. I thought you would love using an old Android. I think I think the Windows
01:28:05
phone was like way ahead of its time as far. Yeah, it was amazing. I thought it was really beautiful.
01:28:10
>> I will say, >> damn. I really thought >> being on this side and seeing Ellis's
01:28:14
and Marquez's answers are is way more fun as the co-host. >> Damn, I really thought
01:28:19
>> that's a rough confidence vote. >> Hey, I had a 50-50 shot. No, you you
01:28:25
and now I know you don't listen to me. >> Ideally, you want to use confidence when
01:28:27
you have a higher than a 5050 shot. >> Should have done that on Dota 2. >> All right.
01:28:32
>> All right. >> All right. So, this is for David and Adam. You guys let me know when you want
01:28:37
to start wrapping it up. But David and Marquez have >> this game's never going to end until one
01:28:43
person. >> We could stop now. That's fine. >> If you could wipe one tech company off
01:28:49
the face of the earth, who would it be? >> I don't even need to look up.
01:28:56
>> What? >> There's so many. >> You, me. >> Uh, hold on.
01:29:03
>> Oh, yeah. Okay. Definitely. Adam Molina, >> that just means it doesn't exist.
01:29:07
Doesn't exist anymore. Is gone. Nothing bad happens to them. They are just non-existent anymore.
01:29:13
>> Okay. Okay. >> Damn. >> I have an idea. >> I don't think you do anymore.
01:29:20
>> No, Adam. I think if you could wipe one tech company off of the face of the
01:29:24
earth, never to be seen again, >> Kyrie Irving. >> It would be tech. It's tech company.
01:29:29
It's not any tech. It's not any company. I I think the answer is X. That's a good
01:29:35
guess. Open AI. >> Wow. Damn. Interesting. >> X is a good one. >> I had I was going between a bunch of
01:29:41
these for David. I I know how much you like film. I don't think you would eliminate like a Sony or Canon. I think
01:29:48
you're >> Wait, these are tech companies. >> I know. That's why I'm That's That's
01:29:50
when I shifted to like the Fetaverse. >> That's what I was thinking too.
01:29:55
>> And I was thinking if we didn't have like >> social media. This is literally my exact
01:30:02
train of thought. I was like, if we didn't have Axe, everyone would be on like walrus or whatever it is everyone
01:30:07
uses. >> Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I'm going to go with meta. >> Meta.
01:30:13
>> Hell yeah. >> Confidence though. >> Yeah, maybe. >> Damn.
01:30:16
>> Maybe I should have given you a second to think about if you want. >> That was good.
01:30:20
>> Good chain of thought reasoning. >> It's okay. >> We're still in it. Still good. It's 54
01:30:23
now. We still got the lead. Three. >> Five. >> Have you missed every single one other
01:30:26
than the confidence? >> Kyrie. Kyrie from way downtown. >> I need you, Kyrie.
01:30:37
>> The funny thing is I still don't know what that's from. I just hear you guys
01:30:40
scream it all the time. It's funny to me. >> We love you, Mark Phillips.
01:30:45
>> All right, gamers. My question for Ellison Marquez is, "If you were
01:30:50
stranded on a deserted island, what is one piece of tech that you couldn't live
01:30:54
without?" >> Gold. >> One piece of >> assuming it works on the desert island.
01:31:00
I think >> ass works on this. >> Are we talking like practically what
01:31:06
they would want or just like a thing they really like? >> Know your partner.
01:31:12
>> I don't know if I should do like a joke answer cuz I >> No talking.
01:31:17
>> No talking, no speaking >> cuz there could also be like the >> All right.
01:31:23
>> Should I do my confidence for this? I'll probably save it because we're only one
01:31:27
point. >> I barely know. >> He doesn't look so sure about this. I
01:31:29
don't know. No. Um, I'm just going to say smartphone because it works so you can just call for help.
01:31:42
>> That was a great idea. >> Was it going to be Was it solar pan solar roof?
01:31:50
>> I did write solar panels >> to charge what? You only have one. >> I don't know. I didn't think that hard.
01:31:55
I was just like I panicked >> to charge the coconut tree. I have 30 seconds to just write something.
01:32:01
>> I literally just was going to for the same exact reasoning like a smartphone
01:32:04
because then you just call for help. >> Does that count >> chat? I'm going to take a
01:32:11
>> I specifically wrote iPhone 12 mini. >> Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. >> Wow.
01:32:14
>> Let's go to charge. I don't know. I didn't get that part. >> Did it charge my other solar panels?
01:32:21
>> Like I just need power. I don't know about power. >> Thank you.
01:32:24
>> Six on the board. >> Oh my gosh. Feeling good. >> All right. Well, we didn't compete
01:32:30
a bullseye. >> I'm glad I didn't compromise that. Yeah, >> you're on a road trip. What is one piece
01:32:36
of candy you're picking out of the gas station? >> You're so like anti- sweets, so I'm
01:32:42
supposed Oh, my favorite piece of candy. >> Anti sweets. >> Oh, jeez. I'm Adam.
01:32:46
>> Adam is >> No, Adam loves sweets but hates to love sweets. >> I I'll I'll reply after this.
01:32:55
>> Yes. You said candy specifically. Candy. >> I have a feeling I'm gonna not even have
01:33:00
heard of whatever you're writing. >> No, it's Yeah, I >> We did a whole episode where we talked
01:33:06
about candy to each other. >> Yeah, but it was crazy. Other You did a tasting episode.
01:33:10
>> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. There was crazy candies there. >> I really I rarely engage in the candy
01:33:14
lunch conversations. >> Candy, too. That >> I'm not a big candy man.
01:33:19
>> It's a very broad category. >> It's a lot of words. >> Gas station candy. Gas station. Okay,
01:33:25
that's very specific. They sell regular candy at the gas station. >> That's fair.
01:33:29
>> It's not like that. >> It's got to be pretty popular. >> It's not like gas station pills.
01:33:32
>> Okay. What do you got? >> I'm just going to say uh Reese's candies. Yeah, Reese's.
01:33:40
>> No way. >> I should have confidence again. >> No. I mean, >> what a such a random one.
01:33:48
>> I wouldn't have guessed that. >> I was I was going to say Starburst until
01:33:51
I started talking. >> I don't really like Starburst. >> There's no way Ellis is going to get
01:33:54
this. So >> why? >> It's cuz I don't I don't I'll I'll
01:33:59
answer after. >> That's good. >> Actually, the only time that I buy
01:34:05
Reese's peanut butter cups is when I'm on a road trip. >> Well, what?
01:34:08
>> Okay. >> Do they size pack? >> If you are on a road trip, >> if I'm on a road trip
01:34:13
>> and I have to walk into the store and buy candy, >> you would buy
01:34:16
>> I would buy from the gas station. >> Gum. >> I should have said candy. I don't know.
01:34:23
I just put the white chocolate Hershey's. >> I didn't know you were eating those.
01:34:27
>> Those are good. >> I've never even tried. >> The thing is I hate candy.
01:34:31
>> I like the gum. >> By Hershey's, do you mean the cakes and stuff?
01:34:34
>> The bar? Oh, the bar is the white chocolate. >> White chocolate. >> The white chocolate ones are actually
01:34:38
>> the cookies and creamies and cream one. Yeah. >> Yeah, that one's actually good.
01:34:41
>> That one tasty. >> And I don't like the regular chocolate bar, so it's 56 now.
01:34:46
>> Yeah, 56. Dude, >> Ellison Marquez, how many tabs do you have open in your browser right now?
01:34:53
Have to look though >> right now. >> This one. >> Yeah. >> Are we doing delta or do they have to
01:34:59
get it exactly? >> Yeah. >> I think if >> I think within five >> within five within five
01:35:07
>> is a lot. >> Within two. Within two. Is that fair? >> I think we should do delta.
01:35:12
>> We can do >> I don't know what that means. >> Closest delta.
01:35:15
>> Closest delta. >> Whichever partner gets closest to their partner's score. Yeah.
01:35:18
>> Okay. the closest hub for the >> within five could be like for one person
01:35:23
more tabs than they have and the other person like 1% of the tabs that they have open.
01:35:28
>> My guess is that Marquez has four tabs open. >> I have three. >> Three tabs.
01:35:35
>> Pretty good. He's pretty good. >> How do you guys know each other so well?
01:35:38
>> This is good. >> I'm guessing seven. We were we're we're one
01:35:47
>> n close. >> Oh, we're tied now. >> Yes, >> we're tied now.
01:35:51
>> Yes. >> And we still have two five pointers. >> Two questions left. You do have the
01:35:56
opportunity to use your >> Well, we have to >> Here's what I'll throw out.
01:36:00
>> This is bad. >> They can't get anything right or we lose. >> We did not make a tiebreaker rule,
01:36:05
>> but there is an opportunity to tie here. >> How? >> You can use your confidence cuz you're
01:36:09
tied right now. That's how you can tell. >> So, we have tied. >> Mhm.
01:36:13
>> So, you're tied. You have two more questions. >> Good place to end it.
01:36:16
>> Marquez David have two confidence things. You could do it here to automatically win or if you're too
01:36:22
worried about a tie and you want to use it on the tiebreaker round. >> That's up to you.
01:36:28
>> It is available in the >> tie. I think we're going to lock in.
01:36:31
Man, >> we've been we've been ramping. We've been building. >> That was a good guess.
01:36:34
>> I feel whatever we do isn't going to matter cuz it really depends on them.
01:36:39
Like it's their game to lose right now. >> Yeah. >> All right. Adam and David.
01:36:42
>> That's true. No, we have to get one, right? >> Oh, we have to get one. Yeah.
01:36:44
>> Adam and David, if you were going to get a technology related tattoo, what would
01:36:50
it be? >> Oh, I know David's. I know David's. That's so annoying.
01:36:54
>> Yeah. I don't know what mine is. I haven't >> Can I Do I get a point if I tell David
01:36:57
what his is? >> Not newly wed. >> Damn, David. I've literally told Ellis
01:37:03
this before. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Oh, no. Technology. >> Meanwhile, Mr. Tattoos over here could
01:37:09
get anything. >> Why would I? Okay. tattoos a lot. >> Damn. I have an idea.
01:37:19
>> I know. I know Adam hasn't written anything yet, but assuming >> he keeps it in theme, I know.
01:37:24
>> Well, >> I'm going thematic. >> Is it what I would get now?
01:37:29
>> Yeah. >> Versus when? >> Well, I'll explain. >> But I already had the tattoo artist is
01:37:37
right outside the door. So, we will prove this. >> Oh, shoot. I feel I mean I'd get a
01:37:42
different tattoo now. So can I change my answer >> to what I would get now?
01:37:46
>> I think that's question. Yeah. >> Yeah. What would you get right now
01:37:50
>> today? Tattoo artists walks in. What do you get? >> I can we define Okay, whatever.
01:37:54
>> Yeah. Wait, can we define >> technology? >> Technology. >> If we're on a technology podcast, like
01:38:01
would we maybe talk about it on here? Like I think we've got a good point. Okay.
01:38:05
>> If you >> Okay. >> Yeah. Like you're not getting a Zuzu
01:38:08
tattoo that's technology based. I mean, unless it was like Robo Zuzu, which would be kind of sick now that I think
01:38:14
about it, but >> Optimus Zuzu. >> Okay. I think I think I think he would
01:38:20
get a OnePlus logo on his forehead. >> Bar. >> No, I have a >> That's insane. Y'all need to fight now.
01:38:27
>> Should I guess first, >> please? >> You're using your double down.
01:38:31
you're going >> I'm using my confidence guess because I'm so confident that David would get
01:38:38
something photography related. >> Can we be a little more specific? >> Really? I feel like that's pretty
01:38:45
specific. Either a camera. >> Okay, here's here's what I'll do. You
01:38:48
can either be more specific or I can have David turn it around and it's like
01:38:52
very his is very specific and yours is >> I would say my envelope is something
01:38:57
related to how about >> photography or camera hardware. >> Okay. >> Film lens camera that sort of but if he
01:39:05
has like a logo or something I'm not counting. >> Sure. >> Okay.
01:39:10
>> Please don't get a logo touch. My Fuji TX1 camera. >> Yes, that's what I was picturing.
01:39:15
>> Yes, that does. I wasn't trying to name a camera, but I was pretty confident it
01:39:18
was a camera or something like camera lady. >> Yeah, >> that's five points right there.
01:39:21
>> That's five points. It might be game. I mean, you guys can Oh, no. You can't.
01:39:25
>> Our field goal percentage was incredibly high this game. >> We still have one more question after
01:39:30
this, though. >> Yeah. >> Then I think if I going on the same levels of vagueness,
01:39:35
>> Adams would be something Nintendo related. >> No. >> Damn. >> I would get the waveform logo.
01:39:42
>> Yeah, that's fire. >> Dude, you're such a shill. Like this one.
01:39:46
>> Yeah, this one. I'm not getting a random company logo like the one I work for.
01:39:54
>> How many Harry Potter tattoos do you have? >> I have a whole sleeve of Harry Potter
01:39:57
tattoos. >> Yeah, but that's not a logo. >> I was picturing logos. That's why I'm
01:40:03
like, I'm not getting Nintendo or Apple or like I'm not getting >> The reason Alice knew the tattoo that I
01:40:07
used to want to get in 2013, I almost got a system on a chip on my chest. >> Oh, I remember that.
01:40:15
>> And uh I chickened out at the last second, but I was going to It was very
01:40:19
like I'm 14 and this is deep. I was going to have the different modules like
01:40:23
the RAM was going to say like love and like the >> CPU was going to say like
01:40:29
>> brains >> thought >> and it was supposed to like >> 1 million likes on this episode and
01:40:33
David gets this tattoo. >> I mean I was literally like I was young. I was youthful.
01:40:39
>> Oh man. >> But it was like SOC's were pretty new so you know that's good stuff. Wow. Okay.
01:40:45
>> Very angsty >> just for funies. >> God. Sorry guys. Dang it. You did beat
01:40:50
us last time. >> Yeah. Now we need a tiebreaker. >> That's the one I want to do.
01:40:56
>> Say something. >> How about this? If David and Marquez agree, this next question is ultra
01:41:02
specific. >> All or nothing. >> Okay. >> So if they do you want to do if you get
01:41:06
word for word, it's worth five points and you can still confidence it and double it.
01:41:14
>> But they don't confidence. >> We can't confidence it. Exactly.
01:41:17
>> That's that's why I'm saying so. >> Oh. Then if Marquez and David were to
01:41:21
get it wrong >> and you guys get it right >> and they get it right, it ties.
01:41:24
>> Okay. >> But if Marquez and David get it right with their confidence boost, they extra
01:41:28
win. >> They extra. >> Okay. Sure. >> I'll agree to these.
01:41:31
>> We'll agree to this. Okay. This is a five-point question. >> Let's go.
01:41:34
>> Okay. >> Ellis Ro. >> So, I need to guess his answer word for
01:41:37
word. Just You got this, man. >> Okay. Look at my eyes. That worked last night. We haven't do it. That's the
01:41:40
problem. We haven't made any eye contact in this game. >> I think you all could do it.
01:41:45
>> Adam, what's my social security number? Just just write numbers. >> All right, gamers.
01:41:52
>> 6. >> The most important question you've ever been asked is, >> "What is your go-to sandwich order at
01:42:01
Waw Wa?" >> Oh god, dude. At Waw Wa. >> At Waw Wa, >> dude.
01:42:07
Oh gosh. I know everyone at this. >> Wait, >> you should know by now.
01:42:12
>> You have to get it word for word. >> Yeah, that's hard. I know what it
01:42:16
>> it's been like or like a while favorite. >> When you think of like a default Marquez
01:42:22
order or you think of like a default Ellis order, what are they getting? What kind of
01:42:26
>> Adam's always in the Adam's always in the gym when I say we need to get this
01:42:30
word for word. >> It's been like four years. You should know by now what it is.
01:42:33
>> I haven't been to Wawa since last year. >> Word for word, but you're in the lead,
01:42:37
so this should be beneficial to you. All right. But like if if you miss something
01:42:42
and the board says it, then it's wrong. >> You have to name everything they have on
01:42:46
the board. >> I'm just going to go right off the top of the dome, which is
01:42:51
>> Can I see what you guys have first before you guess? If you can hold up
01:42:54
your board for me. >> The fact that Ellis is still writing has me nervous.
01:42:57
>> I will say I I asked Marquez what he gets a lot and he told me and then I
01:43:01
started getting it, but I don't remember exactly what it was. I'm just going to
01:43:06
say the Thanksgiving gobbler from >> Oh, I should HAVE WRITTEN THAT. That's I didn't think of that would be
01:43:12
my go-to BECAUSE THAT'S ONLY AROUND FOR ONE SEASON. BUT THAT IS THAT IS >> NO, BUT BUT ELLIS, to your credit,
01:43:18
that's not a go-to cuz it's only temporary. >> Yeah, but when it's there, he gets that
01:43:21
in. >> Can you tell the people what your sandwich was? >> I put the Philly classic, the chicken
01:43:26
cutlet hogy. >> The hell is a hogy? >> You mean a hero? >> I What the hell is a hero? You know, is
01:43:33
that that thing the military spends all their money making movies about? >> Jesus Christ.
01:43:39
>> It's okay. We'll bounce back. We'll bounce back. What do you think, David?
01:43:42
>> I think it's like the chicken bacon club. It's got three layers of bread. I
01:43:46
know that >> he wrote all those words on his board. >> Got three layers of bread. I know that.
01:43:52
>> Honestly, that's more accurate to my actual order than what I wrote. I
01:43:55
couldn't remember what it was called. >> I wrote turkey club cuz I forgot what it
01:43:59
was called, >> but that is what it is. The chicken club something something club sandwich.
01:44:04
>> Yeah. I almost said turkey club because that's the most common type of club. I'm
01:44:08
pretty sure you usually get the chicken club. >> Probably right. >> Yeah. And chips.
01:44:12
>> You know what I learned from this is that I think Adam knows me better than I
01:44:16
know myself >> cuz every single one of those answers I was like, "No, that is what I would I
01:44:20
would say." >> Oh, count it. Oh, I mean, yeah, I can. Oh, no. I'm not counting it. But they
01:44:24
won by >> five. Five anyway. >> All right. Well, we'll see you guys in
01:44:28
the next game. Tiebreaker. >> Tiebreaker game. Yeah, we cooked a little bit. It's just a game of
01:44:32
basketball. >> We did cook on that. >> Thank you all again. I will continue to
01:44:36
find games online or on television that I can steal and turn into hitting my friends against each other.
01:44:44
>> Do we want to just do away from trivia from here? >> Yeah, we can do that from here.
01:44:47
>> Mariah, hit it. >> Hey, >> that's pretty good. It's pretty good.
01:44:55
>> Panicked. Okay. Marquez, Andrew, David. The wireless power consortium was
01:45:00
started by a company called Fulton Innovation who is trying to standardize the induction powering technique they
01:45:06
developed for what kind of product and it's a specific product. >> Mhm.
01:45:18
>> I'll give you a hint. >> Can you say that one more time? >> Ellis, can you say it one more time?
01:45:24
>> What kind of product? Wait, the Fton Fton Innovation started the wireless
01:45:30
power consortium. They invited other companies to join to an attempt to standardize the wireless power
01:45:36
technology they had developed for what kind of product? >> All right, >> I'm guessing stove top.
01:45:44
>> That is incorrect. >> I'm guessing stove top. >> That is incorrect.
01:45:47
>> They all said stove top. >> They all said stove top. No. Wow. >> I think we all heard induction
01:45:54
stove top. The correct answer, >> I was just thinking they pivoted, >> is a water purifier.
01:46:00
>> And the reason that it was a water purifier and they went with a wireless
01:46:04
power technology is because they needed to medically seal it and also get power inside of it.
01:46:10
>> I've heard of a Britta before. >> That seems like a lot of work.
01:46:14
>> Yo, your Brit got cheated. >> You understand now? You understand now
01:46:17
why I was like, this can't possibly be true. Like the wireless power consortium
01:46:20
was started because a water purifier, a water filter company was like, "We might
01:46:25
have actually invented something pretty cool here." >> All right. >> They didn't invent it. They they had did
01:46:30
some development and they bought a bunch of patents from a company that you know
01:46:35
that. >> All right. >> This is peak waveform. If you didn't know, you learned something. So now you
01:46:40
Speaking of which, the wireless power consortium has another standard >> specifically for the inductive charging
01:46:48
of kitchen appliances. What's it called? >> While we're doing that, quick update on
01:46:54
the score. Marquez with 14, Andrew with 17, David with 16, cuz I had to change the score again cuz
01:47:05
it was also wrong last week. But now it's right. I went back to like three months ago.
01:47:10
>> Fun fact, uh Vin just learned about induction in our kitchen 20 minutes ago
01:47:14
because it didn't work for him. >> He was trying to cook something on like
01:47:18
a little stove top thing. All right. What you got? >> I wrote Waps. Wops. Wireless appliance
01:47:25
power share. >> No, you know backwards. That's a word, too. >> Spa.
01:47:36
What' you put? >> What is that? >> No. >> Wait, what did you write?
01:47:45
>> Wait, >> don't do that. >> I wrote Nintendo Switch 2 my pants.
01:47:51
>> Andrew Fton charging. >> No, it is key charging. Ki. >> No way.
01:47:59
>> Yeah. >> No way. Are you serious? >> Kitchen and key. Ch and key.
01:48:04
>> That actually >> kitchen induction. >> That makes way more sense than I was
01:48:08
expecting. >> So, what does the Q stand for then? And chi. >> That was originally going to be my
01:48:14
question and I couldn't find the answer. I just kept seeing chi like the energy
01:48:18
source or whatever. I couldn't find like if it was an acronym or anything. Yeah,
01:48:22
>> like the thing from traditional >> Chinese >> Yeah. >> spiritualism. Find your cheat.
01:48:27
>> I missed a score update while I was guessing. What did you >> Dude, you're crushing. It's not even
01:48:31
close. I finally got some points. That's true. >> The score, Marquez with 14. Damn, that's
01:48:37
crazy. David with 16. So, you're still behind David. And then Andrew with 17.
01:48:42
>> Wait, really? >> Carrying the one. >> Oh, wow. >> I'm hot on the tail.
01:48:45
>> Carrying the one. >> Carrying the one. >> Well, this was an eventful episode of
01:48:51
the Waveform podcast like usual. Uh, but that's just what happens in February. We
01:48:55
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