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My friends and I thought that the color mahogany was funny. So, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. It is funny. Just
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objectively hilarious. We used to just walk around. We used to just walk around and go Mahog.
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[Music] Yo, what is up people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. This
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week we do have a lot of stuff. We've got a doozy. We've got, let's see, Android features. A bunch of new stuff
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got leaked. Apple might stagger the iPhone release, which is kind of interesting based on the other rumors
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that we'll talk about. Um, arguably the biggest update to the Apple third party app store fiasco and lawsuit. But first,
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we, the producers of said podcast, have to remove a po a point from Marquez because, as the people of the internet have correctly pointed out, the iPhone 6
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that we gave a point to Marquez to last week in trivia actually came out in 2015, not 2014. So, we're taking the
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point away. W I don't like how cheerful this is. I like the music. How happy you guys are
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to take this point away from me. say you like the music, but this is the same music that would have played during that
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Spotify thing we were talking about where you have to Was it? No. No, but similar, but I'm using that forever.
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That felt very Diddy Kong racing. Yeah. Okay. I You know, other game shows if they mess up, you just you keep the
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money. I don't know. We're not other game shows. If you mess up, they come after you. Other game shows don't have
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hundreds of comments begging to take the point away. So, uh they keep us honest and that's why you should subscribe so
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you can make sure we don't get any extra points. Yeah. Yeah, if you'd like to see me continue to be devastated by trivia,
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make sure you hit that red button. Cash a $90,000 check and it wasn't real, the bank will destroy you. That's fair
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enough. Sounds like a personal problem. All right, let's get into it. First thing is Apple might I don't know where
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this came from. This is sort of an out of the blue rumor, but Apple might only release the Pro iPhones in 2026 and then
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stagger the regular iPhones to be released months later. Yeah, I don't know. I don't understand this one. I don't understand why they would do that because typically the standard iPhones
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use the same chip as the previous year's iPhones. So, they would be even older and more out ofd. Do you find any merit? I think maybe they would get rid of that
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fact and they would start using the good chips again, but just not the pro version and the regular version instead
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because like the the Pro phone, the big pro phone, the most expensive one in the United States is always the one that
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sells the most in the United States. It is. So, it kind of makes sense. I mean, they're planning on releasing two new
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iPhone models in the next two years. So, at this point, we're going to have the Air and we're also going to have a Fold.
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Can I get like can we make an example of how this would play out in 2026? So like So last year we had in 2024 the iPhone
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was the 16 Plus 16 Pro 16 Pro Max. Mhm. Then we got the 16e at the beginning of 2025. Mhm. So now the end of 2025 would
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still be this is normal besides the Air. So this is starting 17 Pro 17 plus 17 Air. Yeah. Great. So then in 2026, we would get the iPhone 18 Pro and 18 Pro
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Max, and those are the premium iPhones. And then 6 months later, we would get the iPhone 18 Air 18 and 18 Plus. No, no, no. So the report says that in fall
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of 2026, we get the Pro, the foldable, which is the hot dog style. Okay. Right. And then you also get the Air. Mhm. Okay. And then it's 6 months later that you're going to get the regular models
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and the E. So the regular gets pushed to E launch, which is usually like Q2ish of
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the following year. Yeah. So kind of like the A series in Pixel, right? So I'm not totally sure how they're doing this chipwise, whether or not they're
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just going to give all the iPhones the good chip again, except not the Pro version, so like one less GPU core. But
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it does kind of make sense to release all the pro versions at the same time because those are the most hot selling
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ones anyway. And if you have three kind of proish iPhones, like you it depends on if you consider the Air Pro phone. The Air is at least the one that a lot of people want to buy. Yeah, it's
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premium. So allegedly allegedly allegedly. So I think this makes a lot of sense. Um, but it is interesting to
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think of the regular iPhone getting kind of delegated towards the more budget side of the world, you know. Yeah. Yeah.
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Fascinating. I mean, I I never had a problem with all the iPhones coming out at the same time, but I also would find
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it interesting to have different release cycles than we usually do. Uh, there's also a little more information about the foldable from the information article. Uh they say it would potentially have a
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5.7 inch screen while closed and a just under eight inch screen while open and Mingchi Quo has previously suggested it
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would be around 4 and a half to 4.8 millimeters thick open. Yeah. And use Face ID instead of Touch ID. Yeah. As a
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tech review channel, music to my ears. Yeah. As a content creator, that's just We don't have three weeks to do four iPhone videos on four iPhones. Five iPhones. You still cuz if the Air comes
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out Yeah. then there still is there's still three. There's still three levels. Actually, there's more. Wait, no, but
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we'll get six months. No, no, no, no. The Fold, the Pro, and the Air come out at the same time, which actually means
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cuz normally we just get Pro models and regular models. So, we get three then. And that's basically three reviews. Yeah. Yeah, that's three reviews. And
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then 6 months later, we get instead of just the E, we have the regular and the E. It's actually two separate times.
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That's almost twice as much work. I think about Apple. What What have you done? Okay. But considering our waveform
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iPhone episodes usually do pretty well. No, I'll take an extra. It's more new hardware to talk about, which is interesting. It's more tell you guys something about that. Go for it. We had
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our monthly meeting the other day and I put all the stats into AI and said, "Hey, give me uh some recommendations as
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to what we should do." Did it tell you to eat rocks? It literally told me to just talk about iPhones. It was like, "It seems like the iPhone episodes do
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great. You guys should focus more on iPhones." This is a fact. If you are a tech channel on YouTube and looking to
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start out, the lowest common denominator, like the easiest way to get the most views the fastest is to just
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talk about Apple all the time because people, especially in English-speaking countries, talk about Apple a lot, care
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about Apple a lot, click on Apple a lot. It's the same as I want to do a car video, what what company am I going to talk about? Yeah, obviously Tesla. I
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want to make that clear though that the reason it gets views is because people are interested in it. Like I also think
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an interesting point to that is like I think people who dislike Apple will hate watch things where Apple fans don't
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really give a damn about other stuff and don't hate watch other things. Yeah. I think that's a that's a real dynamic.
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You're saying if if you hate you're saying there's more people who hate Apple and actively watch Apple videos to
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hate rather than the other way around. Well, we were just talking about this with something else the other day. I think it was with Tesla. Yeah, it was
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with Tesla. We actually yeah the similar analytics note where if you are a car channel and you are looking at your
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analytics and you've noticed wow everything that I do with Tesla in the title seems to do like way more numbers.
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You'll notice that uh people don't look at uh EVs as Tesla alternatives and watch those more. Instead they hate watch the Tesla video and then leave. Are we sure that that's not just like
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the the vocal minority though? There's actually a majority of people who are interested in the car that watch it. I
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think that's also I think it's a it's both same with Apple, right? Yeah. I think part of it is like and why I
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wanted to say that was there it's so easy to say ex person just does this for views but like those views means it's people interested in that video which means there are just people interested
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like that's you can still be interested like views has such this negative connotation in YouTube which doesn't
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always translate as only doing it for like money or whatever but I also think there are because it's also easier to do
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that in both of these senses Tesla and Apple it's easier to point at one thing where if you're on the other side, the
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Tesla side or the Apple side, you're not going to go to every Google, Samsung, Huawei, OnePlus, like all of them, or you're on Tesla, not going to be going to every Chevy, Toyota video, and like
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be mean. Yeah. It's also a reason why I think people like me use the most wellfollowed companies products as like reference points for other things. So sometimes people talk about like, wow,
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you you always seem to talk about Apple or you always seem to reference an Apple product. when a lot of times that's just the thing that most people watching are
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already familiar with and it's giving context for other things. So if I can tell you that a a phone looks a certain
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maybe a photo from the camera looks a certain way compared to the iPhone when you've already seen a lot of iPhone photos it helps you understand that or
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if I talk about specs similar stuff. Yeah. So it's just that big pillar in the middle of the the stuff happening in
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this world. Yeah. Anyway, speaking of talking about only Apple, is that what you're going to do? That was literally
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my transition. I was like waiting to do it for about 5 minutes. Well, same. I was like, I have to let people talk and
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then I can do it. Well, speaking of how we only talk about Apple, Speaking of how we only talk about Apple, we're
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going to talk about Google. We'll talk about Apple again later, but I think that worked better in your heads. No, I
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think so, too. I thought it was funny. We'll talk plenty about Apple later. Ellis and I both thought it was funny.
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Google. Yeah. Uh, accidentally leaked Material 3 expressive, which is definitely a name for a UI. Material 3 expressive. If you remember, we had Material U last time around, which
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started with the Pixel 6. It started with Material Design. Exactly. Which was a long time ago. Material design was
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this way of basically adding sort of uh layered interaction systems to design elements as in you're stacking like paper sheets. So if you see the hamburger menu that is in a lot of
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Google apps where things will layer over each other that was material design they updated over time. Material U was
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material design but it was weirder in a lot of ways. Matching colors u different
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ways to make your UI more expressive which is ironic because now this new version of material design is called
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material 3 expressive. Google did a bunch of uh tests where they conducted many different research studies. They say 46 and they dialed in a new system that they say is both beautiful and highly
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usable. It's actually very funny because you there's a bunch of info on um all of the research that they did and they have
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all these graphs and one of the graphs that was it was like people that think that things stand apart and are cool are
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cool. The graphs are like pretty much like, "Hey, here's how this vibes with people." And it's like the number one way to kill a vibe is to put it in percentage points inside of a graph is
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just like it's coolness attributes. 98% say it stands apart. 87% say it's defiant. Like this is 98% original. It is really I would 100% reason to
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remember the name. I would want to like be a fly on the wall and have Tim read through this and
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see what he thinks cuz it's really hard to quantify design, right? If that makes
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sense. Totally. So, yeah, you want it to be energetic, but what does that mean? From what I understand, material 3
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expressive is like an evolution of material U where Material U was weird shapes. This is both weird shapes and
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weird fonts. Um uh but another part of it that I find actually quite interesting is if you
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look at the design schemas, you have an app like say Gmail. So like there's this screenshot of Gmail here and they
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basically separate the app into multiple different little windows. So everything is kind of like localized into its own
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space. They round off all the edges. They get rid of sort of that super flat design where you can't tell like where
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the where it ends and where it begins. And I think that it looks pretty cool. Um, whether or not you think it's cool
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is up to you. I think this looks really good. I I agree. The separation of things makes it easier to find
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everything. I don't know why the send button needs to be 50% larger than all the other buttons and just take up
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space. But besides that, I do I do think this way of uh separating things in these like floating menus makes the the navigation way easier. Yeah. And they also like the fonts are way different.
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There's different layered stuff. Um, you guys should check out this article and and look at some of these visuals if you
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get a chance. They are they are very colorful, very uh there's a lot of frills and and shapes and floating
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things and UI is generally shuffled quite a bit and there's lots of interesting aspect ratios and that it's just very different. Yeah. I my only
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want is that it's still intuitive. Like if they're if you're going to move things around, at least keep them in
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places that it makes sense for them to be. I actually don't mind in this like Gmail screenshot that the send button is big because that's the biggest button
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I'm going to use most often. The keyboard is the same size. Like my attachment buttons are a little bit more easy to find. Reachability is another
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concern. Like put things near the bottom of our ever increasingly larger phone screens. Yeah. So it makes sense. It's
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just Yeah. Very I don't know how what do you mean by what does this graph say? A 30% jump in rebelliousness.
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What? That send button's rebellious. Marquez, what does that mean? I don't know what how do you make a UI rebellious? So, yeah, that's the story.
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There's a button that says, "I'm going to sue Google." Imagine in Photoshop there's like a rebelliousness slider and
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you just slide it up and make it more rebellious. The send button turns into a hammer. Yeah. What is What is happening
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there? Yeah. I do like the way it looks better though in this Gmail concept because it does like to your point
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Marquez about it remaining intuitive. I feel like that is intuitive because like the to and from portions of it, you
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know, you're sending an email, you know, like that's somewhere else. You don't need to constantly see that as you're typing out the email. So, I like that
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they like push that away. You have the send button, you have the attach button, all of that. What it really feels like is that they're just making everything
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as random as physically possible, which I will take. You know, that sounds pretty rebellious. That maybe that is
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what rebellious means. 30% more rebellious. But I'm I'm interested how you create a design scheme that is
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inherently like random. Um because obviously there's going to be a system in place. But yeah, I don't know.
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Something else that I found very funny on one of the graphs that they shared is that they took a bunch of data from different age groups and just as people
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get older, they hate expressive things more and more. It's like ages 18 to 24%, 87% of that demographic prefers expressive. 25 to 34 81 35 to 44 65 45
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to 54 62 55 to 64 52 You just said a lot of I just said a lot of numbers. You can
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just basically think of it as as you get older you get more boring and more um angry. What's the word? What's the word?
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Can confirm. Yeah, my back hurts. Is this them just trying to like tailor the experience to get back the youths? That's something for sure. where like
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it's fun to make fun of the like vibe graphs at the bottom, but like this does look good. I I can't wait to see it for
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real because all these leaks are just like light purple and I want to see a couple other colors. But yeah, overall
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15% of my diet is Cholula. If I made everything Cholula colored, my life would be a better place. Yeah. Um Um I I
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really wonder if they're going to call it material 3 expressive. I bet they will. They should just call it material
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U2. Material 3. Well, material, it's basically that, isn't it? Cuz material 3 is material U. So now it's like
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material. They should just call it material us. I material. Material. I actually dubbed
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that. Material I material us. Material I am. Us. Us. Us. Oh, like big U, little S. Like the S that they used on the iPhones. Yeah. Yeah. You know what? It also reminded me, the how colorful
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everything is and how expressive and vibe it all is. is further and further from the minimal phones we keep seeing. Like the minimal phone is just white text, black background box. That's true.
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And this phone is like every button will be a little different. For some reason, all these remind me of
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like Spotify wrapped. Oh yeah. Like the just like scrolling through the like little slideshow they give you. It's
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like what if your whole phone was Spotify wrapped? Let's go. It's a little chaotic. That's what the kids want. I see it. That has some W rez. Okay. Um,
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so that's a there's a very good 9 to5 Google article that we'll link in the show notes about that. So you should go check that out. See it? Yeah. Uh, one
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last story that's definitely about uh Apple. Google's desktop mode is finally coming. And it's just like
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Dex and I was going to let Adam talk about it, but I feel like that's exactly what he wanted to be said. Today,
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Michelle Raman from Android Authority posted this first look at Google's own desktop mode, which adds a taskbar at
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the bottom for pinned in recent apps and also allows you to launch apps that you can resize and snap just like you can do
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in Windows and Mac OS, which is quite cool. It is probably not going to launch with this new version of Android, but
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probably the one down the line because it's still in very early stages. Uh, but you will be able to drag and drop
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content from one app to another as long as the apps support it, which I find very cool. Uh yeah. So yeah, I was going
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to say, can I be the village idiot here for a second? Let's go. Haven't we talked about this like eight times already? And is it still the same thing
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that's almost here? Well, yes. First of all, second of all, last time that we spoke about this, it was just them discovering it at all. Like, oh, this exists. That's crazy. And like my phone
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right now, I have the Pixel 9 Pro. You could plug it into a screen and get like a very basic kind of desktop thing.
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Yeah, this is now updating that and making it way more in the video. There's a video there on their on their YouTube channel on the site. It looks like Chrome OS Mhm. which is I'm sure how
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it's supposed to look. Yeah. I mean, I would prefer if they just use this instead of Chrome OS, you know? Yeah.
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Just drag because it's everything that's on your phone already, too. So, your messages and all that stuff, but it's like you can drag Android apps next to
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each other. You can have Chrome next to whatever random app you were going to copy and paste into whatever. Like, it's
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it's functional because it's got the stuff that's already on your phone, but also then it's a Chrome OS computer when
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you plug it into this shell screen, whatever. It's cool. How close are we to getting back to Project Linda, the Razer laptop where you stick your phone inside
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of it and it's just a screen and a keyboard to run off your phone? I think the idea of this is kind of that you can
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plug it into like any Windows computer and it'll turn into this. Like you can boot it into this. It would be sweet if
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my laptop was just a place to slide my phone into and then for at least a decade. Linda, everyone thought it was cool, but it was just a Razer CES product that never would see the light
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of day. And the problem was that it would only work with the phone that was exactly that shape. But why not just use
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a laptop? because it cost the show would cost like a couple hundred bucks. Yeah, the shell
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would be cheaper and it would I've I've done actually a similar progression around my own house, which is I had a
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computer upstairs and I had a computer in the basement and I've slowly started getting rid of computers and I just take
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my laptop and I plug it into the monitor instead and it's obviously you can just
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have another computer, but if you just want to keep all of your stuff on one computer and then move it around and it
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sort of adapts to the form factor of the space you're in, that idea is appealing to people. And if you can do it all from
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a phone, then you only have your phone in your pocket and that can expand to be laptop size, desktop size, TV size,
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whatever. That's like a nice never forget your files again. Yeah. You always know a computer it's on. Except you can't do any video editing or you know, I don't know, bro. There's some
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light stuff. I guess it's interesting cuz I feel like Apple's kind of doing the exact opposite thing, right, where
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with the iPhone mirroring where it's like, oh, you want to use your phone and your computer, just open it as a little
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window. Yeah. You know, which is quite cool. Yeah, it is super cool. If you're able to do this wirelessly, that would
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be amazing. No way. There's no way. There is a way. There's no way. I mean, they do they already do with the iPhone
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mirroring. They already have that wirelessly. No, that that Yeah. Yeah, totally. So, I mean, if you could just
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say I'm mirroring the phone, but also it's changing the UI up a little bit. There's no way.
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I'll see it when I see live transcription over video. But I think I'm about to be proven big time wrong
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about that. So, let's maybe hold on our tongues there. We got to pull that clip up. Yeah. Also, I can't ignore the like
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slight uh well, we've always talked about this, the the fact that Apple makes a device
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in each of these categories and wants to sell you multiple things versus Google doesn't make as many of those things. They don't make a desktop computer. They don't I mean, they make a lot of
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software, but they don't want to also sell you a laptop. Yeah, Google sells Chrome, right? At least for now.
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Um, so their big idea was that Chrome is your internet computer and like as long
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as you're logged into your Chrome account, you've got your computer anywhere. That was their whole big idea with Chrome OS and why they were trying
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to put like a Chrome OS thing in every room of your house. Uh, now if they have to sell Chrome, that is messed up a lot.
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Uh, but yeah, that is kind of the opposite of Apple where they're just like, we need to sell you more hardware. Google doesn't have a lot of hardware to
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sell you and the hardware that they do sell with Chrome OS is just to get you on Google services. So, it's quite
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different. My what I wanted to say doesn't connect as well, but you mentioned this is my
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fault. You mentioned how they're trying to sell you all these different things. Well, later in the episode, we're going to talk about why iPad OS might be
00:22:32
getting a little closer to one of those. True. Whoa. Jeez. Way later in the episode. Uh uh. Welcome back to another episode. What
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was so funny? Just cut off really early. Oh. Or like a little early. It's so hot
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in here. All right. Uh material this, material that. Whatever. Today's question is Arrow, Metro, and Fluent are three iterations
00:23:04
of which tech company's design language? Yes. What is this? Arrow, Metro, and Fluent. You know, I know. You know, Andrew knows. You remember. We got it.
00:23:17
Pepperage Farm remembers. Andrew doesn't remember. Those who know. I'm already thinking about the points I'm going to
00:23:23
get at the end of the episode. And I'm already thinking about the points we're going to take away from you the next episode.
00:23:28
The answers, of course, will be at the end like usual. We'll be thinking about it. We'll be right back.
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Banger video. Do you remember this? It was so good. Yeah. It was a whole PR stunt. It was a whole PR stunt. They had
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it ready. They were They were doing this on purpose. Apple walked right into it. They did. they did walk right into it.
00:26:17
Uh, so Epic sued them and it was a pretty long lawsuit that took a while to resolve, but it did resolve and Apple actually won most of the case, which was quite ironic because Epic also sued
00:26:30
Google and Google lost the case and it was for almost the same thing. So, it was kind of dumb. Uh but part of the
00:26:37
case that they did not win was that the judge decided that there needed to be anti- steering laws in place, which is
00:26:43
to say Apple is not allowed to not let developers tell people you can go get this cheaper somewhere else. This whole problem stems from the fact that Apple takes a 30% tax on all digital purchases
00:26:57
through the app store and all microtransactions inside of apps, right, which is a digital in the app store as
00:27:03
well. Yeah. So anytime you buy an app, anything and then anytime you buy anything in the app, right? Yeah. Yeah.
00:27:08
Previously Kindle books too, you could not buy Kindle books because it was a digital asset, which is ironic because
00:27:14
if you bought a real book on Amazon, it would not be subjected to that tax. But if you bought a Kindle book, it would be
00:27:20
subjected to that tax. So there were circumstances where physical books were cheaper than ebooks. Wow. Because of
00:27:27
this, especially at your local independent bookstore. Yes. Yes. Okay. Uh so the part that Epic won was that
00:27:35
the judge said that they couldn't they couldn't stop developers from telling people oh you can like go get this
00:27:41
cheaper somewhere else or like you know go to this link so that you can go onto the web. If you remember correctly Apple
00:27:48
implemented this very fairly quickly but they did it in the most malicious compliance way possible. They created
00:27:56
this extremely complex thing for developers where they were like, "Okay, well technically you can allow people to
00:28:03
like go off of the app store into the web, but they added all of these pop-ups that were like, are you sure you want to
00:28:09
go to the web? We can't control what happens there, commit crimes, do it." Yes. Uh, so yeah, it was it was
00:28:16
it was very scary and Apple basically had a very bad faith interpretation of that ruling. So, what happened next was
00:28:24
that Apple, the case kept going and Apple basically got caught doing a bunch of malicious compliancy things that the
00:28:35
judge decided was like not not fitting into the law that she had like told them to do, right? So, there was this injunction that came down a few days ago
00:28:46
and it was basically saying like, "Oh, you didn't listen to anything I said. You just created all these bad faith
00:28:52
interpretations of my ruling and now I'm going to screw you over because you screwed me over. Like you didn't learn
00:28:59
your lesson from this. Now I need to teach you a lesson. Yeah. Yeah. So there were all of the Yeah. pretty much a lot
00:29:06
of internal messages that Apple had sent to one another within this the company got released and a lot of stuff that was
00:29:13
in that was them repeatedly choosing the most like user hostile options possible
00:29:19
to try to steer people away from doing anything off of the app store. Yeah. For example, uh Apple had to allow buttons, links, or other calls to action, which
00:29:30
they interpreted as one of the other instead of one or the other instead of all of them. So, the ruling said
00:29:37
buttons, links, or other calls to action. And Apple was like, "Oh, so we can do a button, a link, or another call to action instead of all of them." So,
00:29:48
they created all these mockups that basically lawyer thing. Yeah. They created all these mockups that showed
00:29:54
different options where it was like, "Okay, we could do this. We could do this or or we could make it really, really hard for the user to be able to
00:30:00
use this thing." And there's these messages from uh people within Apple where they're saying like, "Oh, make it
00:30:06
scarier. Make it harder for the user." They literally said scarier. And uh they were sending mock-ups to each other and just making them more and more convoluted. And there's messages from people within Apple being like, "Oh,
00:30:18
keep going. Make it even worse." No, it was literally, "Ooh, keep going." This also like I think to our audience getting a little warning that says, "Are you sure you want to go there? We can't
00:30:30
control it." Like we've all been there. We've all done that. We click it immediately. You've been on the internet. Yeah. Like our parents, if my
00:30:39
mom saw that, she would probably call me and be like, "I think I have a virus on my phone." Yeah. Without even clicking the button. Sorry, mom. I know you're
00:30:44
listening to this, but like No. 100%. Yeah. That's terrifying for 90% of phone users. Yeah, those dialog boxes are designed to stop you from doing it. It's kind of the same thing as like when you first Well, maybe this is just something
00:30:56
I do a lot, but when you first get an Android phone and you have never sideloadaded anything, you have to go into Chrome settings and be like, allow
00:31:01
me to install things from not the Play Store so that every time I go to install something like I sideloadad it, it
00:31:07
doesn't pop up the dialogue box and go, "Okay, just so you know, this is not from the App Store. Are you sure you
00:31:13
want to do this?" And I go, "Yes." So, yeah. Yeah, it's designed to stop you. You know how Apple already makes it hard
00:31:18
for you to like open a YouTube video because it's like open in Safari and it's that little dialogue box. They like
00:31:24
showed that as an option for going out of the app store. They're like, "No, we need to make it way worse." So, they made a full page thing that said, "Are
00:31:30
you sure you want to continue?" with like a bunch of scary text that didn't make any sense. That just kind of
00:31:36
freaked people out. Um, they also on that on that window listed the developer name instead of the app name. So, it's like Apple cannot control this anymore. It's actually in the hands of developer
00:31:48
name, which most people do not know who the developer of the app that they're using is. Or worse, it's like an indie
00:31:54
developer who just goes by their real name and then you're like, who's this guy? Yeah. Yeah. The develop like John
00:32:01
Apple Seed is going to be in control of your data now. So, all this stuff. Um, there are even messages from a user
00:32:06
experience manager at Apple who said that the phrasing sounds scary so execs will love it. Wow. Yeah. And then the
00:32:15
judges reading all this like, "Y'all didn't learn anything." Yeah. Um, Apple actually argued that scary did not mean something that would scare people, but that it was an industry term that meant
00:32:27
raising awareness or caution. Duh. That's Apple's got those good lawyers. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Not Not good enough. Yeah. For real. Because what
00:32:41
what David would you like to share what the judge said uh the the the quote Oh, at the end of the injunction like the Tim Cook chose poorly. Yeah. Yeah. I don't like the exact thing here. It was
00:32:53
something along the lines of like you know we gave Apple the choice of how to handle this and he goes and and Cook
00:33:00
chose poorly. Yeah. There were a bunch of bangers in that injunction. Um okay. So, also the judge had originally said that Apple could charge a fee for apps that were linked outside the app store,
00:33:11
but it needed to provide evidence that the company had a good reason to charge those numbers because she found that 30%
00:33:17
wasn't actually based on anything, right? It's kind of just that random industry number that both Apple and
00:33:23
Google decided on and that became the number. Uh, so there were a bunch of conversations internally about what they
00:33:29
should charge. Phil Schiller actually recommended that they didn't take any commission, which is quite surprising,
00:33:35
but a lot of people were arguing and Tim Cook eventually was like, "No, we're going to do 27%."
00:33:40
27%. Yeah. Okay. So, they still take a cut if you get linked to an app outside the App Store and then or a product outside the App Store and then you you have to back pay Apple that money. Wow.
00:33:54
Yeah. So, in the new ruling, the judge was still very annoyed and said that they just came up with the 27% number
00:34:01
out of nowhere, which was true. Yep. Uh, they also restricted developers from doing things like keeping users logged
00:34:08
in. So, every single time they would use a link, they couldn't use dynamic links. They just had to use regular web links.
00:34:14
So, if you wanted to like go to the Epic store or whatever, you'd have to log into your Epic account every time you
00:34:20
wanted to buy V-Bucks or like Yeah. every time you want to buy V-Bucks, which as someone who's spent way too
00:34:26
much money on skins and other games, it it's pretty often. Yeah. So, like every time for that gojo drop. Yeah. Like
00:34:33
that's a lot. And to sign in every single time, probably an a really long password that you've changed a million
00:34:39
times cuz your friends are trying to hack you for your sweet Fortnite skins. Like, got to stay protected out there,
00:34:45
man. Yeah. Okay. So, what happens now? Apple now has to give developers zero restrictions when using buttons and
00:34:51
links in their app to let users make purchases over the web. Because previously when they would put that link
00:34:57
in the app or button as they defined it as even though it was like a regular little web link, they couldn't put it in
00:35:03
the standard area where you buy things in the app. They had to put it somewhere else, which is insane. Like that's an
00:35:09
insane rule. They can't do that anymore. uh they cannot take any commission for purchases made over the web, which is hilarious because the judge said you can. You just have to like give me a
00:35:20
justified number. Like you have to justify that number and come up with reasons why that number makes sense. And
00:35:26
because they just pulled it out of a hat, now she's saying you can't take any commission anymore. They had a great
00:35:32
reason. It made them a ton of money. Yeah. Uh the value you generated was incredible. Yeah. Uh this means that tons of apps are going to start including links to sign sign up for
00:35:44
their subscriptions or have microtransactions through their website so that Apple can't take that amount
00:35:49
because now if you're an app developer you can have in the app you know buy this thing but then Apple takes 30%. But
00:35:55
now you can also have go to our store it opens it in Safari or whatever your default web browser is and you can pay
00:36:01
through there and Apple can't take any of that money now. Yeah. And they're going to tell you hey it's going to be cheaper if you go this way. It's going
00:36:08
to incentivize people. say this is 25% cheaper, the developer makes 5% more than they normally would and they don't
00:36:13
have to pay Apple. People are generally going to go with that option. Yeah. Which is kind of nuts. Like this is a
00:36:18
very big thing to change for the app store. Um it was also found that Apple's executive VP of finance lied under oath
00:36:26
about what that percentage was. uh because he had said that they came up with the number over a bunch of different like they came up with all this reasoning and it was at the last
00:36:37
minute and they actually had just come up with it earlier and we're like no we're just going to take 27%.
00:36:42
So she referred the California court to prosecute him potentially which is kind of insane. Yeah. So there's a lot of drama that was going down here. Okay.
00:36:53
Wait, I have a question. Yeah. So you're saying that they now have links that developers can put it in their apps that will like open up on Safari, right, to do a thing? Yeah. So in the app, can't
00:37:06
they also incentivize developers to put like a pay with Apple Pay option? Yeah. So would that still have the 30%. Yeah. As long as the payment it's not leaving the app. If the payment is made
00:37:17
within the app, Apple takes 30%. Sheesh. Yeah. But if you go to like I'm assuming these apps are also going to like go into the like please go buy
00:37:30
over here you will spend way less money and% I would assume we've already seen a bunch of developers do this. Spotify has
00:37:37
already done this. Patreon is doing that this week. Fortnite like Epic is doing it this week. They're putting Fortnite
00:37:42
back on the app store. Yeah, they're putting it back on the app store in the next week. So they're putting it back on that's the news. Why didn't we Well, no.
00:37:49
That's what all this like boils like they want. Yeah. Yeah. Because the whole reason they got kicked off the app store
00:37:55
was because they did this and now because they legally have to allow this they're not violating anything anymore.
00:38:01
So they have to allow them back on the app store which is crazy. So, the future of this is very is going to be very interesting because if Apple can no longer take 30% on every purchase
00:38:13
anymore because it is to the user's benefit to be able to go onto the web and buy something for cheaper, Apple
00:38:19
services revenue off of the app store is going to drop significantly. And that's like a huge portion of their revenue.
00:38:26
Yeah. So, yeah, that's one of the I mean, it hits them where it hurts. That's that's a big a big deal for
00:38:32
Apple. Mhm. Very interesting. Does this make the app store less appealing to new developers?
00:38:41
Rolling. Why? I feel like it makes it more makes it more appealing. More appealing because you can use it as a
00:38:47
platform for visibility, but then also send people out to get from your website. And yeah, it makes Apple have
00:38:55
to actually like make it worth buying things within the app right there. like are there actual things they're doing
00:39:01
for these developers to make it easier to pay inside the app versus going to website cuz there are people who will
00:39:06
pay a little bit of a premium to make like a one tap payment or something like that. But if you're charging these crazy
00:39:12
fees, I'm always going to take the extra 5 minutes to save 30%. Yeah. On my Galaxy Fortnite skin, right? Yeah. Yeah,
00:39:20
a comment that I saw online was that these indie developers and smaller developers, you could say whether or not
00:39:25
Epic is indie or not, but they're they're effectively subsidizing like a bank app, for example, Chase Bank pays
00:39:33
$100 a year for that developer fee, and that is all they pay to Apple to host the Chase the Chase app. And Chase gets
00:39:39
so much more value from hosting the Chase app than like a small indie developer does who every time they have
00:39:45
any sort of subscription or any microtransaction, Apple takes 30% of that. Like that is insane. And so now
00:39:52
it's sort of like evening the playing field so that everyone sort of has the same opportunity because Chase is the
00:39:57
same way. Like any bank is the same way. You sign up for the bank on a web browser or whatever. You go to a bank, you do that, you sign in through the app
00:40:04
and it's just a portal and that's what's going to be the case for pretty much all apps now. So yeah, big big change. Apple
00:40:11
is of course going to appeal this, but uh the judge did say there will not be another bite at the apple as her last sentence in the injunction. Is this judge a rapper? This
00:40:25
sounds like a Netflix like drama kind of was some of the lines there dropping. She was really mad. She was really mad.
00:40:31
Incredible. Yeah. Yeah. That's one thing I find really interesting about all of this is like, man, Fortnite's really
00:40:38
been around for a while. Yeah. that the fact that this is still like a big thing where they're bringing it back and this
00:40:44
started in 2021 when Fortnite was already huge. Like I mean they have Sabrina Carpenter now. You know, I was
00:40:49
talking about this the other night with my friend because I hopped on Fortnite for like the first time. Actually, no, the second time ever. And he was telling
00:40:56
me about all the new like updates that they did and all the new collabs and I was like, "Is this the best game ever?"
00:41:02
Like it is insane how big this game is and how every season people are so hyped to play this game still. Dota 2 my like a word that plays Dota 2 besides am I no
00:41:15
one to you Adam? Besides you I think you could argue right off the bat in current games that are very popular have been
00:41:20
for a long time is like Minecraft's pretty up there also more than Fortnite. Yeah. Was there it's been around longer.
00:41:26
Huh. Not yet. Oh that's but they have had concerts in Fortnite. Does that is that considered a movie? It's close. I'm
00:41:33
just thinking about like, you know, the pantheon of like media. Is this a movie?
00:41:39
Minecraft's probably 1A and Fortnite 1B, I think, at this point. I mean, I don't
00:41:45
I don't know. Fortnite probably makes way more money than Minecraft. I'm totally guessing on that because of how
00:41:51
many crazy microtransactions there are in that game with skins and stuff like that. But like, man, you just keep
00:41:57
thinking Fortnite's going to die and it's still chugging. I mean, it is crazy. Like, a lot of developers will
00:42:02
release a game and then they maybe do like one or two seasons and they're like, "We're going to stop supporting this
00:42:07
now." Or, "Here's a new version." Whereas Epic is just like, "Yep, new things coming out every few weeks
00:42:13
forever." But it's easy for them because they can just do all these collaborations right now. They have Star Wars coming out. I mean, they're killing
00:42:20
it. It came out. That's why I jumped on. Um. Oh, you did? I got the Luke Skywalker skin, baby. The fact that they
00:42:26
can grab someone who's played the game one time to just jump on and I bet that was like a $30 skin. $22.99, I think.
00:42:33
Bro, you literally played one time, jumped on, spent 22. I bet you don't even I think I spent like $8.99 real
00:42:39
life money on the V-Bucks. Whatever. I don't know. They got me more or less is what I'm saying. Got
00:42:45
um Yeah. So, there's been a lot of there's been a lot of tech antitrust stuff going on recently. There's a big
00:42:51
story about how Google might have to sell Chrome. Nobody knows who's going to buy that if that happens. The adte
00:42:57
business for Google might get broken up and have to be sold off. There's a lot of a lot of crazy seems to be the theme
00:43:03
of 2025 along with tariffs. Yeah. Well, a lot of this stuff started in like 2021. We're just getting like real
00:43:11
things we're almost seeing. It's like some actual action towards it. Okay. Last little thing in this section before we go to trivia. There is a new hard drive art thingy out that I want. That's
00:43:23
the I Here are my 100 bullet points. And this is pretty hard drive. Yeah, there's
00:43:30
a company called Buffalo that is bringing back this hard drive design from 1998. It is called the skeleton
00:43:36
hard disk. Uh, and it basically shows the disc spinning on the inside. It's very pretty. It's kind of an accessory
00:43:43
for your desktop with a little window that can show it spinning. And you can see the little the the disc needle
00:43:50
moving around. Yeah. And there's software that makes it so that you can just make the disc needle move in
00:43:55
different ways. There's one where it moves like a constantly read and write things. Yeah. There's one where it moves like a metronome. Oh my god. So what it
00:44:03
It's like a standing up hard disk. It looks like a a wireless phone charger kind of. Yeah. It's black and gold. It looks really nice. Mhm. I have two huge gripes and one I think I'm I hope I'm
00:44:15
wrong about this is an actual hard drive disc, right? Like a spinning hard drive disc. Does we're still using
00:44:24
Yeah. Well, yeah. We're going to store anything you care about on Some people do. No, but these I got a spinner at
00:44:30
home. Yeah, but you're not going to buy a new one today. I bought a new one three weeks ago. People do. Some people
00:44:37
do. Let's Let's talk about transfer speeds with the micro USB this thing comes with. Hey, it's that's that's
00:44:45
USBC. That's micro USB. That's micro US. It's not just micro. Micro B. Oh, micro.
00:44:50
Oh, no. It's micro B. Yeah. Okay. But look, this is $700. Counter. Jesus. Counterpoint. If it's permanently on my desk, I don't really care what cable it's using. I do. So, you're not going
00:45:02
to store stuff on it? Well, yeah, I would. I probably would unless I used it as a metronome the whole time. That
00:45:08
seems like you wouldn't want to uh actively break down your hard drive for the art of it and also store things you care about on it. Seems like a one or the other. Like image storage that I
00:45:21
only have to access every now and then. You know, time machine. Time machine. It's four terabytes. I don't know.
00:45:28
That's what mine's for. Yeah, nostalgia hits people in funny ways, you know. I'm not nostalgia for micro me or hard
00:45:35
drives to be honest. But it's so pretty. I'm a little nostalgic for hard drives. Not using them. I have some hard drive
00:45:41
nightmares and I was I was so happy. I was right in the like age where we were growing up with SSDs for the first time where people would buy like a 60 gig SSD to put the OS on and then store
00:45:51
everything else on the hard drive because SSDs were so expensive. You couldn't put everything on an SSD. But
00:45:58
SSDs are so much better than a hard drive. I was like, I got to have something. You put your OS on the SSD so
00:46:04
it boots really fast. Like a hard drive. An SSD. I I like plug in an external one
00:46:09
and it's not working. And I'm like, is this fine? Why is it not connecting? Where a hard drive I know when that's not working cuz it's like
00:46:17
That's true. But I just feel like there's I don't know. Hard drives. I don't I don't lust for old hard drive
00:46:23
tech anymore. I love hard drives. I agree. It's designed well. It look kind of looks like an
00:46:28
album. like a Yeah, like a showcase for an album or something. But that's cool. This looks like a Mag Safe charger. That's it. That you would put your phone onto with a clear thing. Yeah, it's
00:46:40
three lbs. It's 4 TB. And if you've got $695 burning a hole in your pocket, you too could own one of these drives and plug it in via micro USB.
00:46:51
Yeah, the microb part. Is that He is the one that's It's micro, but it has the extra little prong. Yeah, it's so bad.
00:46:58
That's like the S5 came with that. But you can just plug a regular micro also in. It just makes it faster if you do.
00:47:05
Okay. Counter point. Wait. To his or to mine to all of y'all. What? Interesting.
00:47:12
There is a very similar product that exists that if you just want the aesthetics of this and nothing more.
00:47:18
Okay. It is made by the company that makes those terrible headphones. Sorry. It is made by the company that makes
00:47:24
those cool headphones. It's made by the company that makes the headphones that David likes. Yeah. From KM5. Yeah. They
00:47:30
make a CD player. I believe it's called the CP2. Oh, yeah. Um, yeah, the CP2. You cannot convince me to buy a CD player. I am in the market for a CD player. And this seems like the one that
00:47:41
I want. But yeah, if you want this, but instead of a hard drive, it's a CD. It's right there. I want the headphones and I
00:47:47
don't want a CD player. And you want a CD player, but on the headphones, why don't we just buy the bundle and split it? Wait, there's a bundle? There
00:47:52
probably isn't, but I might email them and ask them if Yeah, it's like a thousand bucks. No, that it I mean
00:47:58
maybe. Also, you need to this hard drive. You need to enter in a drawing cuz there's only 50 units. Oh, there's 50 50 units priced at 100,000 yen. I thought there was around 700 available
00:48:12
for purchase starting in June via lottery. That makes it even more like you want it more. It's probably because
00:48:18
they could only find 50 micro B cables. All they need to do is have me open up my suitcase full of cables and I've got 50 micro B cables for them right there. That's wild. Well, um, trivia.
00:48:36
It's funny cuz nostalgia, it'll hit me. It'll be like something that I cared about as a kid and like this is beautiful. I love it. I want one. Like
00:48:42
the Zoom HD. Yes, please. I need it. Bring it back. What if it's a hard drive that looks like the Zoom HD? then I
00:48:47
would love it. But then as soon as it's something that I don't care about, I'm like, "This is dumb." Like, why would anyone want this? Wow. I would use an
00:48:54
HTC Thunderbolt again if it was just like better screen. That was actually the worst one. Or sorry,
00:49:01
not Thunderbolt. My B one M8. Oh, I love that phone. Or M7, one of the things. The play version or the regular? Yeah,
00:49:07
the Thunderbolt was horrible. The Thunderbolt burned a hand burned my hand. It was like the first 5G 4G 4G
00:49:12
smartphone. Yeah. And I remember having it and it died before the end of the school day. Yeah. Think about how fast
00:49:18
your phone has to die. That was so long ago because you were in school. Yeah. I remember in fifth grade I'd be in like
00:49:24
seventh period biology. I'd be like my phone's going to die and I don't have a way to charge it and that would be a
00:49:29
problem. Yeah. You didn't have a tech be like it has its downsides. Your phone could die. Yeah. I was trying to do
00:49:35
Skype and one other thing thing at the same time and it overheated and burned my hand. Rest in peace. I know. Rest in
00:49:41
peace. officially Skype. Yeah, that's true. Wait, what? We never even got live translation. Maybe Skype had to die for live
00:49:52
translation to run. You know what I'm saying? Okay. Tricky. Matias Dwarte. Oh, yes. OG is a Chilean American computer interface designer
00:50:04
that worked on WebOS. the hip top and then Google picked him up obviously to work on you know Android material you what a god that's who the first version of Android that he himself worked on was
00:50:17
what if it's what I think it is that's going to be really funny hint yeah this version of Android debuted on the
00:50:24
Motorola Zoom tablet zoom with an X because what I thought I love this tablet these two questions the amount that these two understand is like 98% the amount I understand is literally
00:50:36
less than one. If you guess at an Android version, you can probably get you should you should be able to say the
00:50:43
name instead of the number, too. That might help. I'll take both, but sure. I'll give you an extra point if you get both. Okay. Name and number. I re I
00:50:53
mean, I reviewed it, so I have an excuse not to know it. But yeah, this is I'm between two because of reasons that I
00:50:59
can't say. I'm writing it down now so that I don't What about the last one? The last question. the first question.
00:51:05
I'm just going to cover it up. You know, if you're between two answers and you're, you know, choosing which one and
00:51:12
you're going back and forth, you could be saying that you're switching between those. Switching
00:51:17
between two. It is a switch. You know what's funny? I thought that that joke got unfunny faster than the audience did. You know, you were making
00:51:29
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For our last little bit, I wanted to ask our fellow hosts what they think will be more exciting this year, Google IO or
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WWDC. IO. Well, wait, can we count the like little pre-android event the week before I in? Sure. I vote that because Dubdub's just going to be what Dubdub was last year
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cuz they're still releasing the same thing. They just reannounced Apple Intelligence again. just replay the same
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thing with 20 uh 24 crossed out 2025 and stuff. Yeah. But but we are getting new
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UIs for both of these things cuz remember they're getting the the very like vision OS style UI glass. And then
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also the new Android version is also supposed to be really glassy. So that is also going to have material three
00:54:01
expressive Gemini 2.5 deep research both could be interesting I guess the question is so okay we can do our little preview of each of them coming up IO is coming up
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first then WWDC is coming up in later in the summer Google IO happens every year
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it's Google's developer conference where they talk about all the new stuff h happening on the software front but this
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year they've separated out the Android part of it, which is usually the part I'm most interested in because we
00:54:31
suspect there's going to be a lot of AI, Gemini, etc. in the main IO. But I'm looping them both together because I think they're both interesting. And I I do expect a good amount of new software stuff like we talked about with Android,
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with the new UI, with Material 3 Expressive, etc. It could be fun to watch. WWDC, we actually have uh some some
00:54:57
leaks or at least some themes to expect according to Mark German, which I also think are interesting. There's three
00:55:03
main bullet points. Uh he writes redesigned and more cohesive operating systems, which is what you mentioned
00:55:09
with like vision OS and the glass. Uh new Apple intelligence capabilities, which to me, but we didn't get the old ones. Are you adding to the list or what's
00:55:20
happening here? And then lastly, major enhancements to the iPad's OS. It just turns into Mac OS. Now, every year we
00:55:26
talk, we have this discussion. The iPad gets more powerful. It gets a better chip. It does slightly more stuff, but
00:55:32
it's never we we make the same video every year. Some YouTuber goes, can it be my computer? And then they use it for
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a week and they go, actually, it's kind of good at some stuff and kind of not that good, but Apple intentionally makes it a little confusing. So, when I see
00:55:46
major enhancements to the iPad's OS, it's kind of like reading Tesla Roadster, I go, "Oh, really? This time?
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It's for real, huh?" And I I don't want to get my hopes up too high. But Marquez, this time will be different. This time, actually, this year's got a
00:56:00
pretty good shot at it being Oh, really? Yeah. No, I I don't know what to expect by major enhancements because I feel
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like it could just be a different way of organizing the windows that Apple already does, or it could be a dramatic
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thing that we're not expecting. The two rumors I read are a new menu bar and a new way of doing stage manager. Both of them seem to be specifically when you connect them to the Magic Keyboard,
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which make them feel more like a Mac. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. But can I move my mouse around freely or will it still snap magnetically to random icons? I
00:56:36
haven't used. It's probably going to snap. Yeah. Well, you can move it freely between icons, but then when you move
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near an icon, it snaps to the icon. So, like common touch points. Yeah. Yeah. Which is actually I thought it worked
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pretty well. I thought it was pretty good, actually. Yeah. It's It's Do you not like it? I didn't like it. It's weird. You guys need aim assist? It's
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not that we need it. It's just that it felt good. There are certain small touch points like in the corners or on like small items you normally touch with your finger where it would be frustrating if
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you missed. So they just make sure you don't miss. So if you were going to click like a blank space next to an
00:57:12
icon, that wouldn't have done anything. So they just snap you to the thing you were going to hit. So like when you're using the touchpad. Yeah.
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Yeah. So you had a little glowing white circle for a cursor. I I don't know why, but it did work. I want to try I want
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like want to go test this. Sorry. I do want to try it. I think it works pretty well. Yeah. I like that. I notic it
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didn't work. I just want to know if I can move it however I I just want to know if I have free will on my back.
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It's It's right between free will and determinism. It's like right below it. You just You can't press the pixels next to the icon. But why would you want to? You have free will, but I know best.
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Yeah, you can't drive off the side of the road. But why would you want to? It's like lane. It's lane assist. It's
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aim assist. It literally is a assist on your desktop. Cars have lane assist, so you feel yourself like, you know,
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getting too close to the yellow. it like bounces you back to the middle. And on one hand, oh no, I don't have
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free will. But on the other hand, there's families over there that I need to not crash into. So yeah, it's like
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keeping you doing what you want to do, you know? Cool. Bumper bowling. I don't know. Bumper bowling. It's a thing you can do. Wow. If you want to. But yeah, we we'll see. This is all like stuff TBD
00:58:25
this summer. And I I'm trying not to get my hopes up too high. I also I mean we've talked we've had the glass iOS
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discussion before. I'm not really sure exactly what that looks like, but it could happen. I'm excited for the mini
00:58:37
mini io for Google that is all about Android stuff. The Android show as they call it. What is it going to be about?
00:58:43
Material 3 express powered by Gemini Nano. I It's going to be the version of Android that you see on the next Pixel and only the next Pixel. Yeah, basically until two months after that and then
00:58:55
it's on all the pixels. Yeah. Yeah. Then it comes to Google Photos, but it will never be on any Android phone. Like I've
00:59:02
accepted that I like we just got this 1 UI 8 update on on our Samsung phones and
00:59:08
sorry 1UI. I just downloaded it today. Just got it this morning. I got I very little changed, but you know, there's
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some new stuff. It looks pretty different. Wait, am I coming from is this 1 UI 8? Are you talking about this?
00:59:19
No, seven. This seven. Um the like how now you Yeah. the notifications and the uh So I've been on this for a while. Oh, you have? Yeah, I just got it this morning. I hate that my app drawer is
00:59:31
not pages. It's one singular sliding drawer. Okay. So, I've been on I guess I was on Oh, I was in the beta for a while. That's why I'm actually kind of liking I I know a lot of people are mad at the swipe from the right for quick
00:59:43
setting. Swipe from the left. That's cool. Little dynamic island actually action. Two swipes this time. But if you
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just swipe down from anywhere on the phone, then it's your notifications. Yep. So I think it's very specific to go to your settings top right. When do we
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start talking about this? I don't remember exact Android. Anyway, yes, I'm excited because for the last like two months we have had to talk about some sort of court case. And now for the next
01:00:05
essentially four weeks we have straight next week is mini.io. The week after is IO. The week after that is probably all the leaks for Dubdub and then Dubdub. It is the next month of bangers. Excitedly.
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Yeah, we've been we've been in a little a little lull this year and I think we're finally going to get back to popping off. Everything's going to pop
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off. We might go four whole episodes without saying the word tariff or court or switch. I don't know about that.
01:00:29
Well, pump the brakes. We were in a lull. Now we're going to be in an LMAO. You know what I mean? I Yes, I get it.
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Can I uh can I propose? I know it's like a It's a bunch of bunch of What you think I don't You think I'm too young
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for LM LMFAO? Is that No, no, yes. Actually the way you responded to that I do you think not look I was a fan of LMFAO both before and after they started
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party rocking excuse me apologized for party rocking. Okay forward what were you going to say? I want to propose a overunder bet uh specifically for IO. Okay. Not mini IO. Okay. Grandpa
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IO. Okay. which is over under. How many things? You know, I'm realizing I gamble
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so little. I don't even know if I'm doing over under right. Actually, let's play the Well, you just got to parlay the money line in there. So, parlay this
01:01:23
money line, fools. Uh, how many things will Google advertise that you can now do as a podcast or understand as a podcast? Two. So, how many times do they say the word podcast? How many times are
01:01:36
they like, "Do you not want to do this? Now it's a How many times will they turn something that's not a podcast into a
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podcast? One. Seven. I don't know if we'll specifically see the podcast thing. I do think they're going to turn
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everything into something different with an LLM. Uh I actually find the podcast thing
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occasionally useful where you can just drop in a URL and go give me a podcast about this. And it's You use that? I
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have used it. I don't use it very often, but it is a thing that's impressive that it can do. But I don't think I think on
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stage they're going to spend a lot of time showing people, developers, users, how they can either save time or do more
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effective deep research or whatever using these AI tools that they have. And they're going to be everywhere. They're
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going to be next to your calendar, next to your Gmail, next to your docs, next to everything they do. It's just going to be Gemini, all the things. Uh, and
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maybe you can also have them turn your Gmail inbox into a podcast or something. All right. I'm I'm setting the podcast
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I'm setting the split at two. So Marquez, you have you have under. You're taking the under. Let's set it at one and a half. One and a half. So I'm
01:02:41
taking the under. Okay. I'm going the over. Over. Yeah, I think I think it's going to be two. Really? Broadcast
01:02:46
stuff. Okay. Yeah. I think they're going to be like It's the feature that I see people talk about the most on the
01:02:53
internet. They've been talking about Notebook LM. There's a whole app coming out for Notebook LM very soon and it's
01:02:59
probably just going to launch at IO at this point. And whenever I see people talk about Notebook LM, I I do see
01:03:04
people, especially on Discord, talk about like really cool things they've done with Notebook LM. Uh, but most of
01:03:10
the stuff I see is just like, yo, are do you not want to like read this entire recipe on how to make this soup? Just turn it into three chefs having a podcast where they talk about how to
01:03:23
make the soup. Yeah, right. It is kind of cheesy after a while, but if you're that type of learner, some people are visual learners and they have a tool for that. Some people are auditory learners,
01:03:33
some people are podcast learners and then they do that. I'm going to turn our YouTube comments into a podcast and
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that's how I'm going to gauge feedback from every episode. Yeah, I want to drive my car off the road. Three AI
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creators like having a riff about the podcast comment section. Wait, actually I kind of want to that mental podcast
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right now was generated by notebookm. It was. But we're not supposed to be self-aware, so let's stay away from that
01:03:58
topic. Adam, what do you what do you have? Free will. All of our comments are bots anyway, so it doesn't matter. No,
01:04:04
no, no. They're lovely, lovely people with red blood in their face. They're all doing the dishes. You think an AI
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can do the dishes? All it can do is make a podcast about doing the dishes. Yeah,
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it is funny cuz some of those Notebook LM podcasts like have inside jokes and and will joke about things the exact
01:04:20
same way we are and it kind of feels like we're inside of one of those podcast right now. Where where do you think they learned it from? That's true.
01:04:27
Now that I think about it, I don't remember coming into this room or leaving it. No. Yeah, you're definitely
01:04:33
in a Notebook LM podcast right now. I don't think LLMs can feel the humidity that is in this room right now. What if
01:04:39
life is just one big podcast? Damn, that's deep. Damn. What's that show? What's that? The Truman Show. What is
01:04:45
that? The Truman Show. Yeah. Yeah, that's a fun. Kind of feels like that sometimes as a podcast. This is season
01:04:52
30 of of my podcast. We're going off the rails, which means which means funny. It's not funny. It's time. You know what? It's time for the trivia podcast. Trivia podcast. Not yet. No.
01:05:07
That was pretty close. That was really good. Yeah. Um, guys, guys, guys. Yes, chef. You guys, you guys think you're so smart. Uh, well, if you're so if you're so smart to say that. God, it's it is
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really sticky. It's so hot in here. Did you see my answer? Oh. Oh, well, that's fine. It's okay. Andrew, I have a very special question just for you. Okay. Since you saw his answers, but for David
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and Marquez. Yes. Arrow, Metro, and Fluent are three iterations of what tech company's design language?
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Andrew, I was not going to get this, so seeing the answer does not matter. Well, Andrew, good for you. This was actually the second question I wrote cuz I didn't
01:05:51
like the first one. So, you can answer. Oh, okay. What was the first generation of the iPhone to have a Pro model? Well, I want to
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answer that one, too. No six success. I already know that as well. A pro. Yeah, pro. I think I know. I haven't
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decide. Everyone can answer that question. I don't know. There's no rules. It's 90% humidity in here.
01:06:20
There's no rules. Then I'm going to copy Marquez's answer as No, that's that's No, that is one of the rules. What's up?
01:06:26
Welcome to my podcast about the rules of a trivia game that I made up. That was my Notebook LM voice impression. 10 11.
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All right, David. Microsoft correct. iPhone 11 Pro also correct. I guess we're all answering. I just wrote 11 cuz you said that's what I was looking for, baby. Yeah, I I wrote Microsoft as well.
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All right, so two points for David and Marquez. One point for Andrew. M Marquez put 12. Wait, are we including that with our 12? Put 12. You just assumed you got
01:06:58
it right. Was that Oh, man. I wish I got that. Are you serious? We'll wait till next week to take that point away. Did I just like black out of the booth? I was like, "Oh, I put 11. Great." Like, I should
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have put 11. Oh my god. Cementing my lead. That is so sad. I thought that was an Andrew question and now I just lost a
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point. Got the eraser. Dang. Quick update on the score after that big flounder fumble by
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Marquez. Marquez with 21, Andrew with 12. David with 25. 21. You know it's bigger than 21. 25. 25. Well played. Was
01:07:36
it all right? Matias Dwarte, Chilean American interface designer, worked on a bunch of bangers like WebOS and hiptop. Also at
01:07:47
Google, worked on Android. What was the first version of Android that he worked on? That debuted on that debuted on the
01:07:54
Motorola Zoom tablet. So, fun fact, the Motorola Zoom, it's spelled with an X and it's actually pronounced Motorola
01:08:01
Exoom because it was released the same year that King Tut's sarcophagus was unearthed. Waiter, a joke. No, that's
01:08:10
real, bro. That's real. I'm not making this up. Exom. I didn't make I didn't make up any of that. What's What does
01:08:15
King Tut have to do with exoom? Exume like they exumed the tomb. What does that mean? It means to unearth. Oh,
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okay. The more you know. Flip him and read. What do we got? 5.0 Honeycomb. Yeah, honeycomb, but not five. Oh, what? What' you say? Wait, wait, then. Well, don't worry. I'll explain. Andrew, what
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did you say? I wrote six. Wrong. Marquez, it's honeycomb. Correct. The number I Let me think about the number.
01:08:42
Oh, was it 4? H I 4.0 is ice cream sandwich. Yeah. Was it 4.1? H would be 3.2. Maybe it's three. I'll give it to you. Okay. Or three. Three. All the threes. Yeah. Yeah. All the threes are
01:08:54
honeycomb. All the four is a ice cream sandwich. Wait, so what's this? Five was No, no, no, no. Like what is this as a
01:09:01
correct or incorrect answer? Cuz he got honeycomb but not 5.0. So could I just write seven answers and if one of them I
01:09:07
told you to just guess. He did technically guess twice and he got one. Yeah, that's two guesses. So if one's wrong and remember I said I'd give one
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point for the version number, one point for the name. Yeah. Yeah. Wait, do I get two points? Yeah, you got two points for
01:09:19
that. Wait, write it down. We didn't put the version. I didn't know that. Wait, you didn't put the version? No. kiss.
01:09:26
Did you say that? I said that. No, I if I had heard that, I would have written it down. 15 minutes earlier. I'll take both, but sure. I'll give you an extra
01:09:37
point if you get both. All right. I think I think we need Wait, wait, wait. Thanks for coming to this episode of the Notebook LLM uh podcast. Uh, just
01:09:50
kidding. Take us out. Hey, well, thanks for listening to this episode. We hope it satisfied your prompt. Let us know if
01:09:56
you want to have another discussion and just put in another prompt and we'll make another podcast about it. The prompt section is down there. It's
01:10:04
disguised as a comment section, but it's just a prompt for the next LLM podcast. Catch you guys next week. Peace.
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