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all right welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts i'm marquez and i'm andrew and today we've got there's not really a
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whole lot of products coming out it's july yeah it's the middle of the year it's not too crazy
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but there is still a lot happening in the tech world generally as there is so we're going to talk about a bunch of
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these different things some of them are more real newsy than others but you'll see what we mean by that uh plus
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we got a couple hot takes at the end you have to stay for hot takes apparently we're making a segment out of this
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i like that i really like the idea of a hot take segment we'll see how it goes yeah we'll see how it goes
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before we do another segment we'll we'll definitely fill it out but i wanted to start off with um the most important one my favorite major
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important headline of this entire week for sure which is that apple's weather
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app was discovered to not be showing 69 degrees fahrenheit
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to anyone anywhere now i saw this i saw this on twitter first i think the verge
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got the first like they made an art about it they wrote an article and that was essentially the entire
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point of the article i was like guys you can look in your weather app right now if you're on ios 14 or earlier
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you can look up a city right now that's 69 degrees find it in accuweather find it in dark sky whatever and then open the
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apple weather app and it'll say 68 or 70. it refuses to show you 69
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in the current temperature in the forecast and the highs and the lows it just won't do it i've seen it in my
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weather widget and as soon as i saw this headline well naturally i started looking up cities that i figured were about 69 degrees
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fahrenheit we went through i think it took us like 90 seconds to find a couple like one ends in maine i think adam found the first one in what
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it was in some other country but then we figured boston boston boston was another one and we found it was 69 degrees in our accuweather app
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and for some weird reason it wasn't a data sourcing error it really just refused from the same data source to
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show 69 degrees so okay immediately the reactions are like what okay apple like why
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it's not that serious like really spending extra energy coding to not show 69 what are you that anti-meme like
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is that seriously where we're at right now feels almost like the like i guess it's not exactly the streisand effect but it's
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like if you're trying to not show something chances are everybody is going to show that more often yeah the second
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this article came out i made a video like pulling up a city showing that it was 69 degrees in this city and that it was 68 i think
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it was it was showing 68 or 70 on my phone 68 and yeah you know immediately everyone
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starts checking and fact checking their own phones and seeing what's going on lots of people running ios 15 beta we're like you're wrong marquez it shows 69
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right here it does show in ios 15 beta but you're running a beta os so that's not what i'm
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talking about but this immediately became super fascinating and sort of spread around like a wildfire
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but the mystery has been solved the mystery has in fact been solved and it turns out it's not
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just apple being some stuffy megacorp that doesn't want to show time yeah it's not it's not actually
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just that the first thing that ticked me off on maybe it being a little different is someone tweeted if you notice it also
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doesn't ever show 65 or 67 degrees in the weather app either again it might show it in the widget
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which is kind of interesting but then you open the app and you look at the the future forecasts and sure enough in boston it was like 68 68 68
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66 64. and i started looking around and i also didn't find any other 65s or 67s
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which is weird if you're on an iphone right now on ios 14 or earlier you can look in the weather app and you will not find 69 degrees
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fahrenheit 67 degrees or 65 degrees so then it was like okay what's what's actually going on why um
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turns out the reason is most likely explained by where they source their data and how
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they source their data yeah so a lot of people are asking well where are you uh finding that it's 69 versus 68 maybe
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it's a discrepancy in the sourcing it's a weather channel is where now they bought dark sky which does have their
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own data but at the corner of ios 14's weather app it still says the weather channel so if you go to weather.com that's where
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they're getting their data from but it looks like they're sourcing it in celsius
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integers basically now most of the world uses celsius so that makes a lot of sense but
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here in the u.s we are stubbornly still using freedom height f for freedom for fahrenheit and no yeah
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so we're converting these source data celsius integers not decimals
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into fahrenheit and so sure enough 19 degrees celsius is 66.2 degrees
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fahrenheit which rounds to 66 then when you go to 20 degrees celsius that's 68
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yeah so you just skip 67 and 21 degrees celsius is 69.8 which rounds to 70. so you'll
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never show 69. so this seems to be the most likely explanation for why you know it's not showing up and
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also probably why you are seeing it in ios 15 beta is because they've either fixed that or adjusted to source
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somewhere else dark sky or they're using integers or with you know decimals now not just integers
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whatever it is it seems to be fixed in ios 15 but i still thought this was hilarious
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because for a couple of minutes there the internet was like wait it's like having a ton of fun what is going on here if somebody found
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that it was it was nine it was negative 69 degrees in antarctica and it was showing that
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um which is funny because i looked it up negative 56 degrees celsius is negative 68.8 fahrenheit which rounds
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to negative 69. so it will show negative 69. but not positive 69. i like my first
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thing i want to know is because the verge is you said the verge got the scoop i'm wondering like
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was this a scoop something like this like yeah who thought i am dying to know who at the verge was
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just like i i'm hoping has this like uh notebook of just like days that it has not shown
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69 to like eventually get to the point where he's like i'm writing an article and it wound up being like the most popular article on the internet
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yeah it probably just happened like somebody tweeted or just emailed them like hey if you look around
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the app you won't see 69 like probably happened the same way with us where we don't wait really and then we just started searching everywhere for
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finding 69. i found 69 humidity i did not find 69 degrees so
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yeah once you once you get that far you kind of write it up and just see what happens it's one of those things that's so small where like you would never
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really think about it the difference between 68 69 and 70 degrees like if you stepped outside you wouldn't be like
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this weather app's wrong yeah it's definitely not yeah this but um well that get that that
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is part of my hot take should i just get right into my hot take no i think we should save it for the really we should save it all right we have to save it for
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the i'll save it um retention retention one last thing on that though carrot app
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which if you don't know what carrot weather app is it's hilarious it's just the weather with
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usually something really funny like a sassy weather app yeah sassy weather app's the best way but anyways immediately after all this
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news broke uh someone posted a screenshot of just in their carrot app it just says feels like 17 degrees i promise to
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always tell you when it's 69 degrees out i i downloaded it as soon as i saw that oh did you that was
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you get it that was what earned my download i downloaded carrot and yes immediately it was telling me is it that's it it's 75 degrees but
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we'll tell you when it's 69. so thank you carrot for uh for the nod there we appreciate it or maybe the
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verge appreciates it whoever you're nodding to i'm sure they love it um that's kind of it that's my
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that's my important news of the i just had to kick that off i'm glad we got it out of the way now everyone can take a deep breath and
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wait like relax for nice easy new stuff after yeah we're all about nothing else
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investigative journalism right off the top uh apple does have a new product out which is always you know something we like to
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take note of this one is the magsafe battery pack i want to give a shout out to brandon
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who tweeted years ago that they should do this he's not the only one who tweeted this but i want to give him a little props
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for that um it's literally just a battery pack that slaps onto the back of the phone with the magnets from
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magsafe and wirelessly charges your iphone vin called it a giant denty nice kind of looks like it looks just like it's
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an apple logo on it yeah um i like i think we all had kind of mixed reactions around the studio it
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is one of those things where at first to me i was like huh that seems like a pretty good idea
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i'd love to just like have it in my pocket or my backpack or whatever and if my phone's low
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instead of having to carry a wire around wait till i get my car wait till i get my desk have a big battery bank just slap it on
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the back and it charges but then you see it's 99
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it's only i think it's under 1500 million backwards so that wouldn't even charge a full
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battery right not only is it smaller than the actual physical size of the battery but wireless charging does lose a lot of
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efficiency to heat so you're looking at maybe 70 to 80 efficiency of getting that milliamp hour account
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into your phone so you're you're not you're not getting close to a full charge know that
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um i i can already see where this is going which is like yeah the crowd that's like just get a wired
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power bank that can charge it eight thousand times and put it in your backpack i wanted to be the
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because i knew that like it's obvious that's gonna be yeah the the suggestion there and like the argument
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and i wanted to argue against it as like this is nice because it's small and it can it's like super easy
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it's typical apple it's not complicated it's just like the most perfect way of solving it
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except for now seeing that it won't even charge a full battery i just don't see why you wouldn't buy
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the anker power core 26 000 milliamp hours for 70 bucks it's clearly bigger clearly
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needs cables but i can charge anything why i can charge my switch i can charge my laptop i can charge my phone i can
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charge my cell class here like i can charge everything with it i just don't get why i wouldn't i'd rather just deal with the
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cable because apple makes products for a universe where other companies don't exist
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so they still have other products that exist that this thing could charge it doesn't even charge the product fully that it's made for and you
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can charge your phone with your macbook pro if you really want that much battery which i've done by the way if you can just plug it
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directly in with that cable um i think this is just like an easy convenient
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thing this isn't this is like an incase of emergency like convenience thing oh what's that you have 20 battery and you still have more stuff to
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do today pop it on the back of the phone don't even think about it you'll have the rest of the day for enough battery
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like you charge it up with lightning you just have it for when you need it it's in your bag it's in your purse whatever
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it's a it has to be charged by lightning you gotta charge you know that but is it lightning or is it usbc oh it's light i believe it's like adam
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saying it's like it's lightning because it's it's in the iphone's world where you would only buy this if you have an iphone
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so you have a lightning charger yeah but if it's apple they're assuming you have a macbook too right which is usb-c
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well if you have any laptop it's a macbook but maybe you don't have a laptop so yeah it's a lightning charge thing uh
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yeah super simple but obviously it's the classic apple like wow it's a little overpriced it's 100 bucks for half a
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charge but it is the one there are other third-party ones by the way that do the exact exact same clip on the back magsafe
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wireless charging not not even clipped they just magnetized yeah i guess that's what i'm doing i think anchor makes one of the
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better ones it's not as pretty but i don't think this apple one's that pretty i think apples would be prettier
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if they match colors to the different iphones like it feels like something they should do let me show you the anchor one
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because i think apples is way better looking than the anchor one this is the the one that anchor made
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right i'd take the apple one every time it's bigger it doesn't taper either around the the edges the way out here's
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the thing do you expect so when i first see these i'm like are people gonna like continue to use
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their phone with this on the back yeah yeah yeah yeah like that i guess it makes the most sense yeah like it's like
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i'm guessing they're just probably not doing the battery case anymore right yeah i do have to assume that it probably has
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like one or two features with it just in the sense of like magsafe connecting because it's
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first party um and like i would always prefer to do first party over anything but it's still just
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to me i don't know feels rough yeah it's just it's just a apple world
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thing like lots of people are going to be in the apple store and realize that they want a battery case and this is the one that they sell
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for the iphone 12 it slaps on the back it's kind of neat it doesn't have to be amazing some people just have that money
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to just go okay i just want a battery that's just going to work with the iphone i also wonder how many mag safe accessories you can have that then
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like which are taking over the other ones so like if i have an apple wallet i have to take that off every time now
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to use this charging thing right yes you do uh if you have a magsafe case
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you can put this on the back of the magsafe case and it will charge your phone through the case like the magsafe charger puck would not
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the most efficient thing in the world but it works i would really like to see just last thing to say on that is how
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from a dead battery how much it actually charges what would your guess be um so the iphone 12 like pro
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let's just go regular 12. iphone 12 what is the battery size iphone 12's got a battery that is it's like 36 right no it's
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smaller it's much smaller uh iphone 12 2 815 milliamp hours okay wow so
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the thing about that is you're you're coming in at 14.60 for this so that's half if you get all of it out of the battery
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uh yeah i'm gonna go 40 40 yeah i mean in most days that gets
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you through the day so it doesn't really it's fine i'm not i'm not in the target
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demographic yeah no i'm not either that one um all right let's let's go to something a little different i guess
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uh i have no good no good segue for this one but it was a
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fun article i thought i found okay and it's about planes which is fun because there's a plane flying over and
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you might not here there's the segway finally finally newark airport working for us yeah um
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all right so united to buy a hundred electric planes for short-haul trips wow this is electric planes that's
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exactly what i said when i saw this not only are there i guess electric i mean clearly we have to assume there are
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people working on electric planes like that's just gotta be one but the fact that we're close enough to being like united's
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pledging to buy a hundred of them uh it's from a startup company in sweden called heart aerospace um
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i think the main thing here is don't think immediately like giant commercial
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i'm gonna say 747 i think that's a larger plane but i'm sure yeah it is okay this uh this article
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says 19 passenger plane 250 mile range very small so essentially
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the what it is actually really good for is if you think of like a large
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airport hub chicago o'hare is a perfect example because in the midwest it connects flights from the east coast
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the west coast and kind of sends you everywhere from there but at the same time it has a ton of midwest states
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around it that you would generally fly into take a very small plane to hop to michigan or to hop to north dakota or
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something like that so it would take over there where a lot of those planes are getting can't or those flights are getting
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canceled because it's not efficient or it's not uh there's not enough people getting on the plane to
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make it worth flying yeah to make it worth flying with fuel costs and everything like that so like they're not doing as many of those flights anymore
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so it just would start taking over smaller trips like that um and that's i think pretty awesome and
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it says these could be like in service as soon as 2026 which is
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not that far away five years away so that's that's pretty amazing it's cheaper it's
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clearly like the biggest thing here is just planes have crazy emissions and we're clearly in in
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a world where we need to reduce emissions and and i appreciate them taking a step and hopefully it leads to bigger steps
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of eliminating those yeah yeah yeah this is i mean i so i don't know
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pretty much anything about electric planes i've i've heard that this is like a thing that would be really cool to work on but
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every time it's come up i think i talked to nodegrass tyson about this the energy density of batteries isn't
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quite good enough yet yeah uh to to lift all that weight of the battery off and then fly with the
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power generated from the battery but as battery tech improves maybe that's a projection that
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will make this possible by 2026. um but the other thing is yeah like
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when you think about sustainable energy we're on you know the cars are actually starting to see the light we're starting to see
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maybe in 10 20 years there will be way more electric cars on the road and eventually we see a world where
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we've wiped out the amount of emissions coming from cars there still leaves boats trains planes are
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an absolutely massive one as you pointed out and uh eventually yeah we got to get to those too so the fact that we start with the
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small ones like the nissan leaf of planes or whatever that's fine that's a good start but
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obviously we want to get to the the massive planes too yeah i wonder how well this would do also in just like the
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private plane sector i mean i know that's not you know it's not hitting emissions like
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a 747 but there still are a lot of private planes flying all over the place and it's it's almost
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if you're doing it by passenger it probably could be pretty similar to like emissions per person no no what i mean so like if
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these are smaller planes maybe that i'm also this is a total assumption here so if someone wants to correct me please
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yeah put private planes or a very small number of passengers very high number number of emissions per passenger but
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they are small planes with smaller gas tanks they don't really do cross-country flights the same way 747 no which is what yeah why
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something like this is a good place to start yeah cool i just thought that was really neat yeah i look for i hope in my
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lifetime that i'm able to fly on an electric plane that would be really awesome i think it would still feel exactly the
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same as a passenger as a regular plane because it's just gonna it's still jets i imagine it's still making lots of
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noise because it's instead of burning fuel it's still running the turbines exactly yeah so it's still going to feel like a
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regular jet but i just hope that for principle i can in my lifetime ride an electric plane that would be
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cool it would be cool it would be cool to just also ride in a brand new plane every time i'm in a plane and i feel
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like it's nice i like hear someone talk about i'm like it's like this is a 30 year old plane it's just oh it's pretty new tells me
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how long those are like uh stay in commission last thing nothing and stockx i saw this this is a
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weird one that came out like 20 minutes before we sat down to record this and we just wanted to talk about it quickly man okay
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so you've probably heard by now about nothing they're making a bunch of products starting with
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headphones the year one and we know they're going to be these transparent earbuds they
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started to slowly tease information about them one by one this is like their their whole strategy
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is kind of the same as what oneplus is doing because it's the same ceos oneplus used to have carl
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from oneplus um and they've gone all the way to the very highest end of hype i've been using the
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word hype to talk about this but i think stockx connection sort of solidifies it because what is a more hype connected company
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than stockx stockx is a uh a reseller listing
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site for a lot of apparel and footwear for hype stuff hype shoes hype apparel
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so if you find a high pair of shoes and you want to buy you know somebody bought uh one of the
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limited edition drops and has one in your size you want to buy it secondhand from them does this whole verification process and
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you can buy one or auction a pair of shoes and that's kind of what they're known for they started branching
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off though more recently into like electronics i think they got the ps5 on there for a while which is interesting one of the most hype
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gadgets like partnered with sony or i don't know if it was a partner with sony but it was definitely available for a while
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on stockx with the whole verification thing and everything so this nothing partnership
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is a it's an auction where they'll be auctioning the first 100 pairs which will come with
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like a little engraving and a little special you know box or whatever um to whoever
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submits the 100 highest bids yeah it will be available for general availability later
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but uh and i think we know the price already 100 bucks so the 100 people who just want to spend
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however much they want to be one of the first hundred can get one whether they spend 101 or two hundred dollars or
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whatever they want they just have to be one of the top hundred bits yeah the the engraving you're talking about is the
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edition of it so it's like a limited edition one to 100 you get this the serial number
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essentially i'm assuming the rest of them after that aren't going to have the engraved serial number on it
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so these are like yeah just the first 100 you're basically paying to say that you have one of the first 100
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of a company that doesn't really exist yet so here's this made a product yeah exactly so here's the thing on one hand i get it
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it's the perfect engine for like the beginning of hype if you're a brand new electronics company
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building hype what better way to get people really into it and to make a bunch
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of money than to give people the feeling of exclusive early access
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and anyone can you if you bid high enough you can have one of the first hundred of these cool gadgets this company is
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making that's like a feeling people really like exclusive early access whatever it is
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but on the other hand having one of the first hundred products that a new electronics company makes
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i think is really rarely actually valuable like if you had one of the first
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100 iphones which is not by the way one of apple's first ever products if you had an apple one
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okay yeah that's very valuable but that's apple like imagine if you had one of the first
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hundred one plus once because that's you know that's a company that's done pretty well they've had a couple years of success
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really had to come up same ceo that's about as good as a company can go in in the short term how much is a one
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plus one worth if you have one of the first hundred today not i don't
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i mean i'm sure it's worth something whether it was worth holding on to it for that long or or
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even paying extra like to get it it's probably worth more than they paid for it yeah it's really
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it's a sentimental thing like you you have to want that rather than like i don't think
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you can depend on that being an investment and like you're going to sell later there's certain companies and certain styles of products where that clearly
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works and this is a model that you can follow like the first thousand tesla roadsters costs more than the rest they're the
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founders edition they're going to be valuable later because they are part of the first thousand
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but that's a company like tesla where you imagine they'll be around longer and and even the original tesla roadsters
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from back in the day are more valuable now than they used to be but i just think when you get more and more gadgety and techy that lifespan of
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people caring about them is uh is a little bit weaker i wouldn't want to be further from tech
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i would almost well first off adam just looked it up on ebay and you can get a oneplus one for 30 bucks yeah right now so yeah not a
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great investment if you there you go pull that off um i would almost branch out further than just
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tech i feel like in today's generation just in general not even just with tech like collectibles have become
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like such a big thing selling old things uh for tons of money has just become
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such a something everyone looks out for that it seems like it just doesn't happen as much anymore
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it's really hard to find that but isn't it usually like new products i think it's because we we've seen these
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like old like i for instance i think uh like is either mario 64 like a mario super nintendo brand new and box just sold for
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like a couple hundred grand i think but but in the older generations
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it's because of how rare they are now because all those people took them out and played them and then probably threw them away by now
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we are i mean look at pokemon cards people are just buying packs and immediately putting them into sleeves it's just like
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it's not a thing people are playing with anymore things that are getting destroyed which means there's tons of them around
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there's no rarity to increase the price of it so yeah you got to hit this this this very special combo of being a
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rare classic yeah not easy like mario obviously you know a classic
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exactly most people who had those used them so you'd have to have like when we unboxed that bondi blue
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imac that was a rare classic in great condition that booted up 30
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years out the box like that's that's the type of thing that actually maybe you can consider more valuable
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but i guess if you were betting on nothing being this huge company in the
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future and this being a classic that's like that's a tough bet when you're you know a very
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new tech company but you know if you believe in that bit and you're getting it as an investment then maybe you do buy one of these or
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maybe you just want the headphones yeah i gotta have them early i think when you're when you're selling it as like
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basically a collector's item i can only imagine the person who gets one out of a hundred on this is going to
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never use them and immediately keep them as a collector i wonder i would wonder i would guess maybe some
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of these first 100s people use i think it depends on how much they win the auction for true i would also like to guess
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prices that we think some of these go for if the top one goes for like 500 bucks i think they're going to just use them
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as headphones because they're just earbuds like 500 bucks you spent more you're like wow i got the first ones let
00:26:03
me use them i'm gonna unbox them on camera and the ceo will retweet me but if you spent like 10 grand like if it gets crazy on stockx
00:26:11
which it can sometimes then i would say probably that person is going to also buy another pair at
00:26:16
general availability and just keep the one of 100 that they spent 10 grand on and hope maybe someday it's a classic
00:26:23
i just don't think it's gonna get that we'll see let's let's guess top bid and bottom bid i would it would be
00:26:29
really funny if one of the top 100 bids was under a hundred bucks so that they actually got it i just
00:26:34
don't think about that that would be hilarious from being one of the first hundred um uh no i think the top
00:26:40
let me go top bid i think someone's gonna spend 1500 bucks i was gonna go as high as
00:26:48
three thousand for the number one of a hundred is
00:26:53
that's my guess do you get to well yeah if you're the highest bid you get number one of a hundred yeah yeah oh yeah sorry that's how it works it's not
00:26:59
a hundred individual bids like i thought it might be it is you bid for one and the top 100 bids
00:27:06
get the top 100 based on so if you are the top bid you get one if you are the 100th top bid you get number 100 so
00:27:14
you don't get to decide you want number three you just have to hope you're the third highest bid yeah which i think is kind of
00:27:19
interesting because at least in nfts in the sense of like um like top shot
00:27:25
the number edition was like really important with the value of it because ultimately even though maybe you know uh
00:27:33
what numbers lebron so lebron so yeah lebron will be like jersey number 23 and they'll sell a hundred of this nft
00:27:40
but the 23rd edition one will be worth more because it matches his jersey number right this one a little different you don't
00:27:48
get to pick you just like you could really bid and try and get in between a certain one but yeah do you
00:27:55
again we're assuming this holds value afterwards on stockx this might be known already but is there
00:28:00
public public viewability of all of the bids i assume you only see the highest bid
00:28:07
when you're bidding but this could be different seeing a different nft sell similarly to this and
00:28:12
it had just the leaderboard of bits and so it had what number because
00:28:17
i mean if they wanted to make the most money possible they probably would not show the last
00:28:22
ones because you're just gonna the number 100 is just going to be like a dollar bid over and over like a fight
00:28:28
at the end probably um yeah i'll be interested to see how it is i think
00:28:33
lowest bid [Music] 225 125 125 yeah
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that's my okay it's my guess we'll see we'll see we'll keep an eye on it i think you might be right on that we'll link uh we'll check up on this
00:28:47
next episode when we know but uh let's take a quick break we'll come back we'll talk about space
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make sense let's do it okay so i'm sure you saw like just in general going to space has
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been the topic of headlines everywhere i think a lot of it has to do with spacex
00:31:02
obviously and elon consistently talking about colonizing mars yep what would you say
00:31:08
last five years that's really like blown off plenty of time i mean yeah humans need
00:31:14
to be an interplanetary species that's the that's the halo sentence i keep hearing sure yeah
00:31:20
so that's a little more intense than what we're about to talk about um but in this past week a big news headline i
00:31:27
think it was like two or three days ago was richard branson and virgin galactic making it to space and i was
00:31:34
peripherally aware that this was happening i wasn't following it specifically i was traveling i was
00:31:40
playing ultimate but i think i was in a restaurant and i saw it on tv
00:31:46
it was just happening somewhere after branson went to space oh okay got it cool yeah so the first thing i'm
00:31:52
i'm still struggling what to call this i like whenever i think about space i want to call it space travel but to me that feels like
00:31:58
something more along the lines of like i'm traveling between places in space which this is very much not space tourism tour okay
00:32:06
that's what that's what we'll call it space tourism so so i'll explain a little more the like scientific name of what they're
00:32:12
doing but that's just not fun to say over and over again okay um all right so like you i kind of just
00:32:19
peripherally saw this on i saw it on twitter instead it was this really cool video
00:32:24
of them like up in space richard branson and i believe it's five other crewmates were in space
00:32:31
floating around looking down on earth you know like the typical in space thing but but what really
00:32:37
really like interests me is they showed footage of it launching up into the last couple
00:32:43
like miles into the atmosphere and it was like crazy it looked really
00:32:48
really cool it kind of reminded me of when we first saw the spacex rockets like re-entering and landing upright that
00:32:55
looks surreal it looked literally fake like cgi and that's what this kind of looked like so it intrigued
00:33:00
me enough to dive into a rabbit hole of trying to figure out what's going on in this kind of like
00:33:06
we'll call it a modern day space race because richard branson's not the only one doing it we all also know about jeff bezos and blue origin
00:33:12
right going up there was actually a headline recently about them passing their last regulations and they will be
00:33:17
launching july 20th so like we're talking the same month two people that's pretty
00:33:22
base tourism is jeff personally going awesome jeff jeff and his brother are going it's
00:33:27
hilarious yeah so that's um all that intrigued me i watched a bunch of videos i read a bunch
00:33:33
of articles the best one to me was uh from a channel called everydayastronaut um i'm sure
00:33:39
you've heard of them if you are a long time fan of the channel you've probably heard of them because we participated in something called project
00:33:45
love day which was shooting a commercial for tesla he made a great one he made a fantastic one
00:33:50
yeah he did was he a placement finisher yes right he was i i don't know if they did
00:33:56
first second third we we won i'm still very proud of that video i liked it a lot i re-watched it
00:34:01
last night um but if i'm being honest i kind of think his was the favorite one that we didn't make
00:34:07
yeah sure i i thought his was fantastic but he made a wonderful like 30 minute video comparing
00:34:13
virgin galactic and blue origin and everything that's going on i will definitely link it and their project love day in the show
00:34:20
notes you should check it out um i'm going to try and do a much more condensed but still pretty
00:34:25
long explanation of what's going on and i want to see your your thoughts i'm not excited all i know all i know right now is
00:34:31
it's basically a race between these billionaires to get to space for bragging rights it is the
00:34:36
billionaire midlife crisis i think adam described it as and i thought it was hilarious we're past
00:34:42
corvettes we are now building spaceships as your mid-life crisis so a bigger
00:34:48
spaceship so if we get past the point that these are just a bunch of billionaires racing to get into space the rest of it's really interesting
00:34:54
okay sure um okay so what kind of amazed me is how different
00:35:00
despite launching in the same month how different both of these ways of getting into space are
00:35:06
um and and the big thing here that's different between spacex which is going up and bringing people to like the space
00:35:11
station and literally going into orbit is these are sub-orbital rides yeah which is very very different these are
00:35:18
not going high enough to actually get into orbit hence the name and
00:35:23
while it's still breaking the barrier into what we consider space and getting into space it is a very
00:35:30
short ride into space yeah i think this is where i'm like you know it's probably semantics but
00:35:36
like calling it going to space is maybe a bit generous like obviously planes are going
00:35:42
up to let's call it 30 000 feet that's what six miles up something like that but then you've got you know
00:35:48
other much more higher flying aircraft military planes other things like that flying much much higher in the atmosphere but
00:35:55
they're not in orbit in space like when i think of in space i think like the space station
00:36:00
orbiting the earth 250 miles from earth that's that's in space so i'll give them that
00:36:05
so there's sort of a couple like you know lines that have been drawn where you pass this line what is it 50
00:36:12
something miles so there's something something called the cameron line which is like widely known as the start of
00:36:17
space and that's 60 miles above the earth's surface okay and so then but you're still not orbiting the
00:36:22
earth you can do a temporary free fall and have that weightless feeling but you're not orbiting the earth at that height so
00:36:28
so they're just getting past that line just for bragging rights is that what's happening sort of all that's one of the key
00:36:33
differences between the two and i'll explain it um but uh let's see so that got me a little off track but i
00:36:39
will get on track here what we're going to do is i'm just going to kind of describe both both of the ships to you so where do we
00:36:45
start then uh i'm going to start with virgin atlantic they did it first um also one little note i thought was
00:36:50
funny they weren't supposed to launch until august or richard branson wasn't supposed to go until august i think they
00:36:55
were still doing test flights and he decided to just go a little earlier i wonder why
00:37:00
yeah i wonder why jeff bezos is right around the corner he claims not for that but like come on also just
00:37:07
admit it i think that'd be yeah just say it just i want it to be just i wanted to be and i did eat it jeff yes just say it okay um all
00:37:14
right so the virgin galactic spaceship where it is called the spaceship two unity and i still have a
00:37:20
little confusion here because it's actually two separate vehicles um in how they
00:37:26
launch so i believe the unity is the name of the vessel that the pilots and the people are in and the uh
00:37:32
and one thing between these two what's very different between them is that these are like for non-trained like this is for
00:37:39
commercialized space travel tourism whatever you want to call it whereas you know
00:37:45
nasa and spacex is much more like those people are trained to do stuff you have to be yeah yeah so these
00:37:51
pedestrians can be in this exactly these are being made for the commercialized space tourism um
00:37:56
so anyone can get a c and the plane for virgin galactic is imagine almost two medium-sized planes
00:38:04
and they're connected at the inside wing it almost looks like if you had a catamaran boat i think that's what i saw on the news
00:38:11
yeah this crazy looking like plane but it was like three planes connected it was a very strange site but exactly
00:38:18
and then the one the people and the pilots are in are is actually like underneath it in the middle okay so if
00:38:24
it then takes off it flies to a certain altitude which i still think was
00:38:29
two or three times the altitude of what a regular plane flies at so still very high i think it
00:38:35
is actually high enough to where you still see the dark edges around the earth okay so like that's pretty
00:38:41
impressive and then this is what got me interested in all of this there's a video of
00:38:47
the bottom craft it detaches from the plane as it is flying
00:38:52
falls rocket the thrusters the boosters whatever you want to call it i'm sure there's official name that i'm doing
00:38:57
wrong take off and it just launches past the the initial docking plane i guess
00:39:04
you would call it okay and then goes mach 3 i believe three times the speed of sound
00:39:10
straight up into the air and into space and it was it looks like straight out of a
00:39:15
james bond movie it looks like it was some sci-fi thing like it was another one of those like the spacex
00:39:20
rockets landing that no part of me believed it was real at first yeah um and then essentially
00:39:26
what that accomplishes is after it detaches launches into space it gets you just high enough i believe
00:39:33
it's 55 miles above the earth's surface so not quite the cameron line
00:39:39
and all right let me watch this so what am i saying describe it also for
00:39:44
audio listeners so i'm seeing the virgin galactic plane go up it does really look like
00:39:49
two planes attached to each other which is pretty funny oh there goes your speed 600 miles an
00:39:56
hour 2000 miles an hour all right this thing is popped out of the bottom of the plane and is now rocketing to 30
00:40:03
000 feet that doesn't seem i don't think that is okay now they're
00:40:09
sub orbital falling yeah that part is cool i like that you still can feel this
00:40:17
you can feel zero g which is which is obviously super cool but also the fact that you're so far out
00:40:22
of the normal atmosphere that you can see the curvature of the earth and you can see the spheres around
00:40:28
you you're definitely high enough that you're seeing the space around earth so that's what i think is like the big difference here kind of between
00:40:35
what you're talking about like there's no there's no other airplane that's getting that high and what it actually
00:40:40
does is it launches itself straight up and then if the wings it almost looks like a paper
00:40:46
airplane with the wings it has these like very flat wings that go all the way to the back and those turn and then use um air compression
00:40:54
to actually flip it kind of upside down so then you're looking back at earth because it has windows above the seats
00:41:01
that's smart and then for here's the kicker it's only about three to four minutes that you're in space
00:41:06
you unbuckle yourself you experience weightlessness for a couple minutes they have these really cool windows that have like
00:41:11
handles on them so you can you know grab yourself because you're floating around once you're unbuckled uh grab yourself look out the window
00:41:18
check out earth um for four minutes buckle back in and then because it looks like kind of a
00:41:24
small private plane then you come back down and you just kind of coast like a regular plane and land
00:41:30
totally normally on a uh an airstrip honestly that sounds pretty fun it does that sounds pretty fun
00:41:35
so what is sanao the jeff or the jeff blue bezos blue origin version how is
00:41:42
that different very different so the ship it is the blue origin new shepard is the name of
00:41:48
the ship and it is much more similar to what we expect as like a regular like nasa rocket a rocket a rocket it is yeah
00:41:56
and i i always get kind of confused about the rocket engine i believe is the large standing booster
00:42:02
that sends the thing into space and generally comes back down to earth what's cool about this
00:42:07
is essentially the passenger capsule is on top of the rocket so imagine a rocket with maybe a little more of a
00:42:13
circular top because that's where we're putting the passengers again this is six people that can fit in here okay the
00:42:19
difference here is that it's fully autonomous so in the other one you need two pilots
00:42:24
interesting this is fully autonomous anyone in there doesn't need any training on how to land this capsule
00:42:30
okay so first i i think that sounds kind of freaky it sounds terrifying because they're like what if something goes wrong who's gonna save us
00:42:36
but okay there are a lot of really cool safety measures that i don't remember everything about them so i would check out the video if you get a chance
00:42:42
yeah but um it's basically just this circular table or not even a table a circular like ring
00:42:48
of seats looking at what is actually the largest windows to ever go to space i
00:42:53
think that's pretty cool which makes total sense in like a tourism consumer fashion
00:42:58
rocket launches up straight into the air when it gets to its peak the capsule detaches throws you up around 62 miles in the air
00:43:05
so this is over the official cameron line which is definitely a bragging right although
00:43:10
because the other one richard branson's did not cross the line i didn't cross the cameron line technically but from everything i've
00:43:18
read most scientists agree that there's almost no concernable difference between the two when you're at that point i'm sure the difference between 55 miles
00:43:25
and 75 miles above earth is it's like when you're starting to lose scale exactly it's very far both of them but
00:43:31
okay yeah um so that does bragging rights to uh blue origin you're making it over the cameron
00:43:37
line exactly um again though three to four minutes you get up there you can unbuckle you can float around
00:43:43
and then what happens here is you start floating you descend you descend three parachutes come out you float back
00:43:50
down into the desert of texas and then a bunch of air compressors shoot out at the bottom to make it like
00:43:56
a really smooth landing which i thought was actually really neat because these thrusters do so like exert so much
00:44:03
power to even you out actually when you look at it it looks like it's impacting really hard because dust is flying everywhere but that's
00:44:09
from the booster yeah um so much that if two of the parachutes were to fail
00:44:14
it would still get you down without life-threatening injuries which probably still means it's pretty impactful but you're not dying but yeah
00:44:21
um good backup but yeah another just capsule you float up in the air uh three to four minutes space again
00:44:29
pretty cool i guess so here's a question here's my question for you is three to four minutes worth it
00:44:37
well i guess we need the dollar value do you want the dollar value because oh we have that virgin galactic sold 600
00:44:44
reservations already okay so what how much is that that's it's very expensive take a guess okay
00:44:50
well uh i'm gonna go with uh ten grand a seat
00:44:56
two hundred and fifty thousand two hundred fifty thousand dollars so i guess the
00:45:03
novelty of these early tickets is you're one of the first yes so less than a thousand people have
00:45:08
been up that high just that's that's the novelty ever that's what you're paying for yeah that's exactly what you're paying for
00:45:14
okay actually if you want to even go a crazier price which is totally not comparable blue origin doesn't have
00:45:19
a price yet i don't believe they've taken reservations they've done a ton of test flights and this one coming up will
00:45:24
be the first time anyone's in it it's jeff bezos his brother i don't know the other but apparently one other
00:45:30
seat was sold for them and it was like 26 million dollars but this is you're going up with jeff
00:45:35
bezos and like all that so i'm sure clearly another oh man billionaire probably dollars per minute that's
00:45:42
hilarious per minute oh that's the other thing though is the total flight trip of blue
00:45:47
origin is probably is like 10 to 15 minutes because you're just launching up and you're coming straight
00:45:52
back down yeah the total round trip for virgin galactic is closer to two hours because it takes you
00:45:58
so long to ascend to that initial launch point and then you're flying the whole way
00:46:04
back down so in some cases it's maybe like all right i have more time to experience
00:46:09
everything honestly honestly when i'm hearing this described i think the the the virgin galactic one sounds
00:46:17
better like as an experience like i'm not gonna do this anytime soon most of us probably would but if i'm imagining like
00:46:24
all right i want i have this crazy amount of money i want to blow on the novelty of going to space um both of them are going to give you
00:46:31
three to four minutes of in space weightlessness space tourism that whole experience
00:46:36
but i think the uh flying up in an airplane part will probably be more comfortable than a rocket launch yeah i
00:46:44
actually they didn't talk much about about like the initial thrusting and everything yeah
00:46:49
like i i feel like i've seen enough rocket launchers to know that's that's a very different experience than flying up on a plane flying i've flown
00:46:55
in a plane it's you know maybe that's a little more comfortable but then but then yeah just having that that
00:47:03
crazy three to four minutes and then it's over and then you just have to remember that forever maybe they'll record it like a
00:47:09
disney world ride oh my god and then what charge you ten thousand dollars
00:47:15
yeah you spent 20 mil on the tickets so you got another 500 grand for this video of you oh my god um yeah wow well i
00:47:23
so in the future someday like really far in the future yeah this will be just another theme
00:47:29
park attraction right that's the goal is you want to be able to do space tourism
00:47:34
commercially viably repeatedly often for everyone like let's make space a
00:47:40
curiosity that anyone can check out go to the zoo one day go to disney world one day go to space one day
00:47:47
i don't know how far in the future that is but that's something i'm optimistic about and like hoping i get to do someday and i hope
00:47:54
like you know everyone gets to everyone as many people as possible get to try out but uh yeah it's as you know as long as
00:48:01
today a a you know a plane ticket costs 100 200 bucks then i feel like that's about as
00:48:06
low as you can go for a flight to space yeah i don't think we'll see a hundred two hundred dollars in space in our lifetime but um
00:48:12
i think you you did mention something that i didn't talk about that i think is really important is you said
00:48:17
you know doing this consistently all of this is reusable like the the planes are obviously the blue
00:48:24
origin since it's a rocket engine it's similar to spacex and where it can it lands itself again and they've done
00:48:29
like 12 trial runs and it's worked every time it actually has enough thrust
00:48:36
to get to the point of hovering before it lands so it actually lands softer than falcon the difference is
00:48:43
falcon is massively bigger than blue origin yeah well falcon's not landing with the people
00:48:50
still on it is it no yeah yeah um but still much much different scale size but uh that's pretty awesome
00:48:56
and then for those of you this is like my main thing when i think why clearly space is an interesting idea
00:49:02
but when i originally thought why it's like that is a lot of fuel is it worth just
00:49:07
like throw like blowing emissions out to just like go into space for four minutes i have
00:49:14
good news and bad news virgin galactic is just using like pretty
00:49:20
standard fuel and has a lot of emissions blue origin is using liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen so it
00:49:26
has almost no emission wow i believe so at least it is the much greener option out of the two if that
00:49:31
changes your mind at all and that's the largest windows and in space that part is really cool i think it's for me
00:49:38
maybe uh i've seen too many failed rocket landings to where like if i could
00:49:43
have a horizontal takeoff and a horizontal landing i'd prefer that like you said 12 tests
00:49:49
and like i hear you oh no trust me i'm not getting in either of these anytime but you tell me like all right
00:49:54
they've done this rocket it's launched 12 times in a row and it's been great all 12 times so you want to get on the
00:49:59
13th one no not really oh yeah i've seen a lot more successful flights like take off hardly if i'm
00:50:05
being honest if i could pick anyone right now it would just be if i could somehow get on the plane that launches
00:50:10
the virgin galactic and just getting to that you know about three times higher than a regular commercial plane seeing the dark edges and i think
00:50:18
i would be pretty down with that we were talking about the concord a little while ago about how that plane was supersonic and i have to
00:50:23
go higher than normal in the atmosphere because it's thinner up there it would go way higher and go across the atlantic in like two hours and land and
00:50:29
that was crazy but yeah i just i want to see i want to see the curvature of the earth and a little bit of that that edge of
00:50:36
the atmosphere type space that would be it would be awesome um cool i have one more question for you okay
00:50:41
we we obviously see spacex talking about going to mars and everything like that and elon seems very interested in space
00:50:47
in fact i think he may have already booked a flight on one of these um i think the virgin galactic
00:50:53
but um do you think spacex ever looks at this route of like consumer
00:51:00
space tourism or are they just gonna be full-blown on the like we're trying to colonize mars we're
00:51:06
trying to get into space do you think spacex is going to go this tourism route or more
00:51:12
focused on their mission of you know intergalactic it's a good question yeah from what i
00:51:18
can tell that is the mission okay is um i kind of think so yeah making reusable rockets where you
00:51:25
when you inevitably need to take a flight to mars and obviously you you get the boosters
00:51:30
to get you out of the atmosphere and out of orbit and then you bring the boosters back down like you need to get
00:51:36
a lot of stuff to mars a lot of people a lot of cargo and so to be able to reuse those rockets
00:51:41
over and over again like that's the thing that they're trying to solve and i think maybe a consequence of the
00:51:48
technology getting good enough is you are able to also bring people to space
00:51:54
and make these cool you know suborbital flights for space tourism and that's pretty neat and that satisfies a lot of
00:51:59
the curiosity that we're interested in i'm sure neil degrasse tyson would be pumped about it
00:52:05
but uh i still think yeah the the primary mission of improving rockets
00:52:12
and making them reusable is to eventually be able to move things to other planets
00:52:18
and to other places and then humans are interplanetary and then everybody's happy but again this is all like a will any of
00:52:25
this happen in our lifetime type thing like i don't know i want to be optimistic maybe when your grandkids are keeping
00:52:32
waveform going in like 200 years they can talk about it that would be cool
00:52:37
we'll see that'd be cool um yeah so i think last thing on there is if you really want like a way more in-depth
00:52:43
video on this uh everyday astronaut great channel has a lot of cool stuff on this and
00:52:48
obviously we'll probably be making a ton of content because blue origin launches in like two weeks yeah yeah so i'm ex i'm really excited
00:52:54
to then see that launch as well and see some video from up there and kind of compare the two
00:52:59
because it's really awesome that we live in an age with such great cameras that we kind of get to experience it with them
00:53:04
100 all right let's take a quick break we'll come back and we got to talk about one last thing which is uh the hot take
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00:55:30
new segment introducing the hot takes segment we're your hosts uh that's all this far i got with the
00:55:37
intro wonderful but we'll workshop that i think it'll be fun basically uh the tech world is full of hot takes
00:55:44
and we always have random you know things that we were thinking but we don't really
00:55:49
say but also maybe other people are thinking them too and we'll just put them out there and see how it goes
00:55:54
um my i'm starting off kind of spicy with my hot take and we've got i don't you you don't have any hot i
00:55:59
couldn't think of one i might have to borrow some i think adam's got a couple over there though so we'll let him toss a few out
00:56:05
we'll have him we'll borrow some of those but let's just uh let's just dive right in because i want to see how far this gets before i end up either
00:56:12
canceling myself or we'll see we'll see all right number one i'm gonna start with uh we were talking earlier
00:56:18
about uh celsius and fahrenheit yeah so this is my
00:56:23
this isn't even my hot take this is something i saw on twitter and thought about and i was like yeah you know what i agree with that
00:56:29
that yes the u.s should move to metric but okay
00:56:37
fahrenheit is better for weather and that will be the reason we don't
00:56:43
that will be oh okay yeah there's a lot to impact there because that didn't start off that was like cold so i think yeah we can all agree we
00:56:51
should probably go to metric right right right the imperial system is insane we have feet we have
00:56:56
all these weird like degrees fahrenheit versus like ounces and all these crazy things we don't really
00:57:01
gowns versus liters all these terrible and we're not even that consistent with it like soda is sold in liters but milk is sold
00:57:08
in gallons gallons gasolines and gallons versus fluid ounces like i'm asking google for conversions
00:57:14
all the time i would love to switch to wait wait can i throw out just a little gripe i have that's really relevant
00:57:19
right now google home when i ask you to convert something just tell me the freaking conversion i
00:57:26
don't need to know how to convert it i bought you for a reason please just say yes that is you like one
00:57:32
cup is equal to x amount of grams you have to ask it the perfect way or it'll go i don't want to that's its job that's
00:57:39
not my job it's not paying me money to learn how to do it okay anyway yeah so my my thing is
00:57:46
fahrenheit and just the the scale that we use for weather this isn't even for anything else like water boils at 32 or
00:57:53
freezes at 32 but boils at 212 in fahrenheit like there's it's a weird system but uh for weather
00:58:00
humans are very sensitive to temperature change and there is a real difference between 68 and 72 and
00:58:08
you know obviously decimals aren't the hardest thing in the world to get but that was the one argument i saw on
00:58:14
twitter which is like if we could just use fahrenheit just for weather just to go from like our you know negative 10 or whatever to
00:58:20
105 degrees that that granularity it's right there in the system itself you don't have to use decimals
00:58:26
nearly as often that's the reason i think fahrenheit so stubbornly stays and if
00:58:32
you keep fahrenheit for degrees then i guess you got to keep fahrenheit for all temperature measurement instead of just
00:58:39
weather you also now measure like water boiling and all the other things now we're just stuck on imperial forever so
00:58:45
i think i think because of how great fahrenheit is for weather
00:58:53
we're stuck i still that's my hot tub i kind of understand your point in that like
00:59:00
if there's a difference between the like generally four degrees in like you know 68 to 72
00:59:07
i don't know if i really buy that that much i don't think there's much i i will agree if i look on the weather
00:59:13
and it says 70 if it says a number in the 70s versus number in the 60s like that to me
00:59:20
i'm happier i don't know if i go outside and i generally feel the difference all that much i
00:59:25
still think it gets confusing though where it's like snow at 32 degrees not at zero
00:59:31
yeah i mean we're clearly not hitting boiling yet i mean we're well on our way to getting boiling outside but um
00:59:38
i don't know i sound like such a fahrenheit stand but let's listen temperature like think about like
00:59:44
grades you get in school like the difference between a b between a b and a b plus no oh really it's like
00:59:49
84 is a b such a different 85 is a b then 86 is a b
00:59:54
plus like why did we go from 85 to 86 being b to b plus you'd rather have a b plus than a b and that difference
01:00:01
is one and that's like a zero to 100 scale our temperature that we live in here is generally a zero to 100 scale
01:00:09
sometimes it's a little below zero or a little above 100 but generally that's where we're living like the granularity in that perfect set
01:00:15
of numbers just from zero to 100 is what makes fahrenheit great everywhere else it sucks yeah
01:00:22
everywhere else it sucks i'll give you this if it were a if we were in a bubble and the only
01:00:28
thing that would change if i could only pick fahrenheit versus celsius and nothing else like really mattered like
01:00:34
sure i'll pick fahrenheit over celsius because it's a tad bit nicer but if we're just talking there it
01:00:39
is agreed if we're talking about the whole thing like i would rather change everything to metrics and then get
01:00:45
celsius and of course do away with fahrenheit and be like oh no it's 60 or it's 20.5
01:00:52
degrees celsius yeah i just remember like changing the degrees in the car would be like 19.5 20 20.5 i'm like that's interesting it's
01:00:59
going by 0.5 whereas like i'm just going by the car argument might be a better argument if you want to make that
01:01:05
i think because like if i'm in a lot of cars now the temperature gauge it's not just you know red and blue it's like you're doing an
01:01:11
actual number and when i'm picking a number i'm picking sometimes i am just going
01:01:16
down two degrees fahrenheit yeah so like that that's probably i think that's the better way of like
01:01:22
air conditioning air conditioning temperatures there is a very small range of air conditioning temperatures you
01:01:27
might go from 65 fahrenheit to 75 fahrenheit that
01:01:33
at least in this region in the u.s like 65 to 75 fahrenheit is 10 fahrenheit degrees which is probably
01:01:40
about 5 celsius degrees so now you're doing anyway this is all nitpicking i would much rather have everything go
01:01:47
metric and accept the one downside of celsius being less accurate in the middle i'm tired of feeling like an idiot going
01:01:53
to other countries just not understanding anything at all yeah i mean that's mostly on me but if i can blame it on
01:02:00
the us i would prefer to blame it on someone else oh school systems all right adam yeah it's hot take time
01:02:06
okay are you ready to potentially have both of us go out oh i'm ready bring it on okay okay my hot take is foldable phones are
01:02:14
not the future foldable phones and do you have a reason or it's just uh not feeling it i think that they're gonna be very niche
01:02:21
in the way that like the note series for the galaxies were niche but most people are not gonna wanna deal with
01:02:28
one extra step before getting to their phone i think by the time that foldable phones are ready quote-unquote there's gonna be a
01:02:35
different form factor that we're all using you know what's funny i actually don't think that's a hot take damn
01:02:40
i think that's probably what most people also think they see a folding phone i agree i think it's funny because i'm i
01:02:48
i'd consider myself pretty optimistic where i think if the tech gets good enough that folding in half is just one more
01:02:55
feature i've said this before then maybe people will just get the folding version and it's just a no-brainer but that is a
01:03:03
lot of assumptions that's that's a lot of tech that has to improve to make that possible i would go i don't think folding phones
01:03:09
are in the next 10 years are going to be anything more than super niche um i think if they do get to
01:03:16
a point so your main argument i feel like is the extra step we're seeing the outside screens where
01:03:23
like in general they should be just as capable as your regular candy bar phone right now um the problem
01:03:30
is they're super thick and they're just not like we're not at that point yeah we're actually the first full that was
01:03:35
terrible that was the first one yes so we're in like generations generations two and three right now so if we're going the next 10
01:03:41
years imagine it gets better the next one and the next one and the next one and the next one and the cameras get better and the
01:03:47
screens get better and the batteries get thinner and everything about every single component that makes them too
01:03:52
thick right now or a little too unwieldy right now all the hinges get smoother everything gets better for eight more
01:03:58
generations in a row will that still not be good enough don't know
01:04:03
i'm optimistic i think it has to reach that point and has to reach that point with a price
01:04:09
point that's competitive prices and everything else yeah yeah price of the future um
01:04:15
yeah i don't know yeah i don't think so i don't think even if everything got perfect i still don't think do you have
01:04:20
a guess at what the different form factor might be because i i love this question we've had this conversation before
01:04:26
and i really enjoy people thinking about different form factors of phones so this is going to be very boring but i
01:04:33
think we have the perfect form factor already yeah just a slab of glass and i think about that a lot yeah when you see a
01:04:41
future a movie that takes place in the future they inevitably just have like a candy
01:04:46
bar factor form factor thing with like a projection at best i was gonna say i is the new form factor
01:04:51
essentially like a projection or even like a almost like a
01:04:56
non-physical thing like let's imagine google glass in the future where now you are seeing your phone in a
01:05:02
viewpoint that only you can see and like you know hand movements or something is what's actually doing the
01:05:07
typing well that's that's more than 10 years because like who cares about who cares about a screen that can fold to be
01:05:13
six inches when you can have a screen that's 60 inches that only you can see i think there's going to be a lot of
01:05:19
that but i think that the main hub of all of the computing that's going on is still going to be the phone
01:05:24
in your pocket yeah i agree i think i think i've i consider myself short-sighted when i
01:05:31
think that but i i can't help but think that so i would still call it a hot take though i
01:05:36
think there's a lot of people that would disagree with that and i just we'll see about those comments yeah i'm actually really
01:05:42
interested in people if people on our discord in the podcast uh discussion section i would really like to hear your opinions because
01:05:49
i kind of do i don't know i think they're going to be a thing eventually i just think we're way
01:05:55
farther than we think it might not be a hot take but it's a slow burn slow burn yeah all right hit us with
01:06:02
another one all right another one garmin makes the best smart watches
01:06:07
that is a hot take i i would say now i've never i've never used a garmin
01:06:13
smartwatch but when you say the best smartwatch my brain immediately goes to apple watch so now you have to kind of probably qualify
01:06:20
best smartwatch overall or best smartwatch that isn't for the iphone i would argue
01:06:27
best smartwatch overall because even with apple devices the only thing that people
01:06:32
genuinely care about is notifications and health features and garmin is just as good if not better
01:06:38
with health features and the higher end models which are super expensive also handle notifications very well
01:06:44
they just don't plug into iphone the way that the apple watch does for obvious reasons i think that's maybe the reason the
01:06:51
apple watch has such a strong foothold and i think the reason the apple watch is the most popular watch in the world
01:06:56
isn't because it's like you know technically better than the garmin's
01:07:01
but it does plug into the iphone user in a way that none others can and it's
01:07:07
almost unfair that that's what makes it the best smartwatch but that's a big part of why it's the best smartwatch popular or best
01:07:14
both it is the most popular because it is the best option and i also think aesthetics might be a little of a
01:07:20
underrated thing since it is technically a fashion accessory a lot of people do you think it goes in favor of
01:07:27
in favor of the appalachia i would argue the exact opposite i would argue the majority of people who enjoy and i'm
01:07:34
sure adam consists he's a watch person that's true if you are a watch person the apple watch is
01:07:41
not something you're excited to get but how many how many humans on earth are large people
01:07:46
uh watch person there are there are a lot i mean you can be a
01:07:52
watch person without being like a rolex like expensive watching person like but watches just in general like in
01:07:59
terms of the fashion accessory that they are and like if we're talking about wearing a watch with like a suit or something
01:08:05
like that or as a like kind of dress up fashion apple watch doesn't quite hit that where sure regular watches do
01:08:13
and garmin watches are closer to that now i also have a garmin watch that i would not consider like
01:08:18
really looking that much like a normal watch because it's a very standard version of it but i do love it for the health features that it
01:08:23
has i'll only really wear it when i'm working out um it's fine i think the one adam has is
01:08:29
much much nicer than i have and it looks like it just looks like a watch that's what watches look like these days
01:08:35
i think you might i think i could agree with that the garmin watch is a better smart watch for some people
01:08:41
but i think the apple watch is actually for a lot of iphone users
01:08:47
the best available overall smart watch for iphone use well so here's the thing there's a lot of people and i also think
01:08:53
in terms of most popular if you are looking at a garmin watch to buy and you're not 100 sold on it already you're looking at
01:08:59
other companies that make things that are similar if you are in the market for just a smart watch and you only have one option
01:09:06
apple watch doesn't have competitors in my eyes because the people who an apple watch works for it doesn't have
01:09:12
a competition really yeah does that mean it's the best you could probably argue that yeah yeah
01:09:19
well i mean that they're saying it's because iphones are very popular i gotta try one
01:09:25
that is a hot tape i do i'll i'll end it with this i need to try a garmin smartwatch because i have not tried one yet if you want to go into a lot of good
01:09:31
looking ones because i do believe also there are a lot of ones that also have the secondary
01:09:36
uh like monitors that you can hook up if you're trying to get like really intense uh yeah because most body measurements
01:09:42
and stuff like that most of what i use most of what i use to watch for is the health features meaning fitness tracking and that sort
01:09:49
of thing uh time and notifications and then sort of like a once in a while i'll be like what's the
01:09:55
weather on my watch or i'll ask siri something but that's very rare so yeah i'm gonna try one of those out garmin definitely has everything you
01:10:01
were just talking about sweet all right maybe one more one more more hot tape do you have any more i have another
01:10:07
one what's the spiciest available remaining tape the spiciest one i have is clubhouse
01:10:14
will be back it is not done interesting i think it is with a new
01:10:20
with a new like feature is that how it comes back really i just think everyone kind of wrote it off already as a social
01:10:26
media thing that flopped and failed it was just a pandemic kind of thing i think they're not done yet i
01:10:32
think they're going to come back here's one thing i actually saw someone i used to work with who is not in the
01:10:38
tech world at all posting that they were hosting a clubhouse just to like talk about
01:10:43
something they were interested in and i was like this is not where i was expecting to see clubhouse talk yeah it pops up
01:10:49
once in a while yeah yeah i i thought that was really interesting it's definitely broken into the mainstream
01:10:54
which is sometimes for us tech people is hard to like really remember that there's not nerds
01:11:00
out there well this is what happens the way i observe clubhouse was it was ios only
01:11:06
and i i pay attention to numbers so i was looking at like how many people that i follow were actually using it in
01:11:12
hosting rooms i think i when it was iphone only i think i had about 30 000 uh followers on clubhouse oh wow and
01:11:19
i i slowly stopped using it i kept getting notifications from it so i was like you know i could see when it was being
01:11:26
used by people i followed and then one day i just checked back after android joined and i think i have
01:11:31
300 000 followers on clubhouse so when you say broke into the mainstream i just think it became much more widely
01:11:37
available and whenever that happens it's it drops a little bit of the allure of like how cool it was and that's like a very vain
01:11:45
thing like it doesn't actually matter yeah but now it's like it is much more used now than it ever has been but not
01:11:52
in that in the same hype type of way where like elon was dropping into random clubhouses when's the last
01:11:58
time that happened um the the most popular show that i follow on clubhouse the good times
01:12:04
uh i guess it's sort of a podcast basically uh you know had mr beast on and had
01:12:09
you know addison ray on and had all kinds of these really interesting people on and i haven't really heard about any of these
01:12:14
lately and maybe it's because i'm not paying enough attention but i'd be curious what clubhouse coming back
01:12:20
looks like i guess what i'm saying when i when i said mainstream it's like all of what you said you know
01:12:26
mr beast and addison ray aren't tech people but they're still like in this creator community kind of thing like people who
01:12:32
follow social platforms and like the person i saw was just someone i used to work in a restaurant with that
01:12:37
just like is not attached to any of these and this was recent it was like last week yeah
01:12:42
and hosting a clubhouse room and posting about it on facebook and probably not getting a ton of people but just like even if they're just
01:12:49
trying stuff like that i'm assuming they're getting a couple and like that does kind of feel like it's hitting a small
01:12:55
social platform the early stages of it but it's a good yeah it's a good anecdotal
01:13:00
indicator i just don't know it's about as anecdotal as you yeah i don't know i i remember zuckerberg get a room and
01:13:07
like i don't know i just that sort of thing it's been a while since i've seen that kind of stuff so i wonder if they
01:13:14
what what would it take for clubhouse to come back is my real question is it going to be some big social push is it going to be
01:13:21
some big event that happens on clubhouse do you have a specific reasoning as to why you think it's going to come back my
01:13:27
reasoning is very optimistic i'm kind of looking at it the same way that the same thing that happened to snapchat
01:13:32
where snapchat came out with stories instagram copied them everything has stories now but snapchat still carved
01:13:38
out a niche where it's killing it and i think clubhouse is gonna be the same thing but for audio
01:13:44
where they can keep innovating and being creative with audio features they're going to have that niche audio
01:13:50
audience i think that's possible because if you consider snapchat's current state a success i think clubhouse can
01:13:56
can do that snapchat hated success by pivoting essentially though because like their
01:14:02
big thing now is ar and like bitmoji is something they have a bunch of shows and they still do stuff they are not good
01:14:09
i'm just saying they do them a show on snapchat like that might be one of the dumber things i've heard of but that's because we're
01:14:15
not in the target audience they are men it's very true massive um so yeah
01:14:20
yeah i guess i i would i can see that being something similar but then they would have to create
01:14:25
some sort of special specialized something for audio that changes the
01:14:30
industry and they might i mean clubhouse changed the industry already and it has a million competitors um it
01:14:38
birthed all of its competitions yeah yeah interesting i like that one
01:14:44
yeah we'll see we'll check back in in a year and see how wrong i was we'll see i want to leave we still haven't used clubhouse oh well i'm going to bring it
01:14:51
back we're bringing it you can now we're not bringing it back i'm going to leave this question with people at the end because i think i feel like you can tweet at us
01:14:57
or let us know in the comments section is clubhouse a feature
01:15:03
or a social network is it an entire thing i think we've we've sort of dabbled in this but let us know what you
01:15:08
actually think the answer is in the comments because at this point it's clear that lots of other companies believe it's a feature and that they can just build
01:15:14
into their app and then there it is they've done it they've done what they had to do but clubhouse by itself could have
01:15:21
something to it so let us know what you think in the comments i can just say if i were a clubhouse i would have sold out like
01:15:26
immediately and just made a ton of money and then never sold to linkedin i would
01:15:32
actually clubhouse would work really good on linkedin that sounds like the perfect place for a bunch of that is pretty funny hustle gurus to
01:15:38
just like spew nonsense for a while there it is there's my hot take there's our first round of hot takes
01:15:45
i thought that was a fun segment i'm really i'm kind of bummed i didn't think of one but i will definitely think of one for next time we have this segment
01:15:52
we'll bring it back yeah bring it back well any of the case we'll be back next week we've got a bunch more exciting stuff
01:15:59
coming up an exciting video i'm hoping to drop pretty soon and maybe an exciting car
01:16:04
will be in our hands soon so we'll see about all that by next week but in either case make sure you're subscribed if you haven't
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