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Wouldn't it be cool if we had some sort of protocol? Oh boy. That all the games could be hosted on online. Here we go.
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>> Everyone's computers could run this protocol to help seed these games. >> Unplug his bike. Unplug his mic.
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>> Yo, what's up people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm
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Mark. Yo, what is up people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're
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your hosts. I'm Marquez. >> And I'm Andrew. >> And that's the chair where David would
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be sitting if the bridge >> if the bridge wasn't closed. So he is on the way and he'll be here soon. And at
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some point video users will just see him appear in his seat and I guess audio users will hear him.
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>> Yes. We're we're at a tricky day where you have a game tonight so we have to leave early and also it is going to be
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one of the hottest days of the year. So we decided to record a little early. Yeah.
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>> That got screwed up with traffic. And the goal of today's podcast is to not melt by the end because the AC is off.
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>> I don't think people realize or maybe we said it but maybe they've forgotten that
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we turn the air conditioner off in this studio every time we record because, you
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know, for you, for your ears, we want it to sound good. And our mics, you know, no background noise, all that fun stuff.
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But that also means that if it's 103° outside, like it's going to be for the next 3 days, that means that the
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temperature of this room slowly goes up as we record. And uh there's a good chance that in 2 hours it will be way
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different in here. We turn the AC on before we come in so that it's cool. But you know, we do this for you. This is
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what we do for you. >> Isn't there a saying like slow boil the frog or something like that? Like we're
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just the frogs >> or the frogs. The frogs. Well, but we still notice it get hotter. The thing is
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the frog the frog if you change the temperature slow enough doesn't notice that it's getting hot. Have you guys not
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heard this? >> No. >> Really? >> Yeah. I I thought it was like a thing like you you slowly there. So a frog I
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guess is not particularly sensitive to temperature changes if it's slow enough. So you can slowly increase the
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temperature of the water and the frog will not get out of the water until you're literally
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chef said because he did you felt bad that you were boiling. >> I just Googled it and it it is a myth
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and biologist that they can escape the water if it gets uncomfortably hot. >> Okay, that's good. That's really good to
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hear. But >> for anyone that was thinking about boiling frogs, >> well, it's still a common saying
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community today. Still a common saying. Definitely a myth. That's good. That's good that it's a myth.
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>> We can't stop recording this podcast, so we will boil and cannot get out. >> Yeah, for sure. Uh, okay. In today's
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episode, we will have Apple's increased prices across the board. I know they tried to sneak that out on a Thursday,
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but jokes on you guys, we record every week, so we're talking about it this time. Um, but there's also a first look
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at the new Galaxy Fold wide, Polestar leaving the US, and PlayStation killing physical discs. And we'll wrap it all up
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with some AI companies >> that we don't really understand. >> Yeah, >> I'm very confused.
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>> But first, did they even test this? Yes, they did. >> Yes, they did. It was funny. We had a
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sort of a a mini tech support this morning with uh Google Docs, which is how we organize all of our podcast docs
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and notes and stuff. And uh I don't know if you've used a Google product in the last couple of months, you've probably
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seen like a lot of Gemini logos everywhere, like maybe too many. Uh and one of them was really annoying at the
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bottom of Google Docs. And uh I don't know if you've been annoyed by that bottom button for
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>> this floating button that covers up maybe the last three lines of all your documents. And then when you go and try
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and select something there, it widens into this big uh search bar essentially. >> Describe any changes you want to make.
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looks like you're trying to write a document on some clippy. Um, so, so if you want to get rid of it, you can.
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There's a Gemini button at the top of Google Docs and you go down to bottom bar preferences and you can turn it off,
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which is I think they added that probably at some point because they did test it and realized you should be able
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to turn that off. >> Yeah. I mean, I I've hated it for a while and I lowkey didn't notice the
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Gemini menu bar thing and then I saw Hank Green tweet about it yesterday and I was like, I do really hate this. Yeah.
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>> And then Marquez went, "Oh, look. You can turn it off." And we both collectively turned it off.
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>> There's still a Gemini button in the top right corner. There's still Gemini things all over the rest of your Google
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products, but that one you can make it go away. >> There is still when you click the image
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button, the first menu option is still generate an image new instead of upload from computer. And I still click it
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every single time I try and put a photo in our uh pod outline. And it drives me insane.
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>> Yeah. >> So very, very sad. But I'm sure that bottom thing, plenty of people won't
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turn it off and they'll get plenty of fake clicks to make it seem like people are using it. But for all you listeners
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out there, if you didn't want it and you didn't notice that, you can turn it off.
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>> Now you know. >> Now you know. >> All right, let's get into Google price hikes. Sorry, Apple
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>> Apple. What do you know that we don't? >> Google just software. Uh yeah, Apple
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price hikes. So last week at some point during Thursday, Apple, which they'd warned us about this, but they just went
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through the Apple store went down briefly and then it came back up and there were a bunch of new prices for
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basically all of their products, almost every single hardware product that they sell.
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>> Is this like the top three worst Apple store went down scenario? >> Dude, the tweets were so funny. I was
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like, "Apple store's down. What are they cooking? What's coming next?" And then there's just like tweets right above it
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like price store hikes, all the different changes. >> It's back. Yeah, the store comes back
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live and base prices, upgrade prices, tons of prices for all the different products that they sell have gone up.
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iPhone prices notably are unchanged. That was one thing that people were thinking would go up, but the things
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that did go up are Macs, iPads, Apple TVs, HomePods, Vision Pros. Across the board, prices are all higher. Now, I
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looked at these price increases and they're kind of interesting. They're kind of spread out across the board.
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Some of them I mentioned on Twitter. Some of them are higher than I expected them to be. Some of them are lower than
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I expected them to be. We know that the price increases are because of the RAM shortages and just how expensive it is
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to put memory in anything these days. And some of these products do have a lot of memory and some of them don't. But
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that does not seem to directly correlate with how high the price went up. It seems like more about well sort of an
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efficient balance. Maybe this is a Tim Cook thing of some products are higher volume and the price didn't go up as
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much. Some prices are lower volume but the price went up more. Some prices went up, I think, more than they had to in
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order to make up for other prices not going up as much as they could. >> Would you say it's the opposite of
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higher volume? Possibly >> went up higher cuz like the the one that sticks out here, right? Like there's
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some big ones. There's the um the M3 Ultra Max Studio went from $4,000 to $5,300. So, $1,300 price increase. We
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saw the um the M4 Mac Studio $2,000 $2,500. 500. That's crazy. Vision Pro only went up $200.
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>> Yeah. So, >> that has to be because it's flopping so hard, no one's going to spend an extra
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thousand or obviously rent like compute, right? It's like a comput. >> There's a I think there's a lot of
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factors. I think Vision Pro is already priced really high and the $200 extra dollars might be fine to cover that, but
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also maybe if it was 4,000 that would look really bad. Like there's there's optics they have to consider. There's
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supply chain stuff they have to consider. Also, yes, Vision Pro is not selling very much. So, maybe the price
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increase there doesn't do much for them. Whereas, something like the MacBook Neo,
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which they're doing a ton of volume of, goes from 599 starting to $6.99 starting, which means it's no longer
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like the crazy flaming good deal that it just was. It's still a pretty good deal.
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Um, but that 100 bucks per unit will probably go further than the 200 bucks per unit on the Vision Pro because the
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volume's totally different. Um, >> also with things like the Mac Studio, like the M3, what was the Ultra that
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went up by 1,300 bucks. I feel like people buying that that's like a business expense. Like
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>> people doing that expect to be making their money back somehow by using the professional workflows with that. So,
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they're willing like Apple's like those people will spend a little more and not it's fine. And we I think it was also
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pretty obvious we were going to see those specific price increases because Mac Mini in was it in March or May
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already got a price increase because we're seeing them sold out everywhere because of how the like compute to price
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ratio of what they are. Yep. Um, so like this kind of I mean I think this obviously all comes down to compute.
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Again, it kind of reminds me of how we were talking about Steam Machine where like if you price something and
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subsidize it to where you're giving such good bang for your buck of just pure power in this RAM shortage, you're
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probably going to eat it because people are going to take it and use it for machine learning and not necessarily all
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the things that you make money off of. So that's one of the things I was wondering here is like does Apple see
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these price increases as like what is our best chance of people still buying the products but buying the products to
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use them as actual personal products not AI machines because Apple clearly is making plenty of money on hardware but
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they're also making a ton of money on subscriptions and software and people physically using the products. That's a
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commentary I've seen a lot is Apple's already been making a ton of money. Why do they have to increase prices at all?
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Why can't they just eat this? But one, I think the memory shortages and the price
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increases we've seen are pretty unprecedented. I don't know what Apple supply costs are, but I feel like they
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they just decided along with a lot of other companies, we have to raise prices. Um, but yeah, I don't know if
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they're thinking so much about what people are doing with the machines. I don't think they have much control over
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that. I think it's more just what do we think is a reasonably acceptable price increase for the target demographic of
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the product. Uh some other ones that stood out to me were iPad Air goes from $599 to $7.49 for the 11in iPad Air.
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That that's that's a different price bracket to me. It feels like 599 was like, "All right, I can stomach this.
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This feels like I'm not going to get an iPad Pro, but I could get this nice mid-pric iPad Air." Now $7.49 49
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starting is is quite a big difference there. That doesn't feel like a good deal anymore.
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>> Yeah. The iPad Air went up more than the MacBook Neo. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, that's 150 bucks extra there.
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Uh something like an Apple TV. This is my favorite one. >> The Apple TV was 129. They were selling
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that box. Now, it's $1.99. That is a pretty I think percentage- wise might be the highest increase. Uh
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that's close to like a 40% increase or something like that. That's pretty big. Uh, that's a totally different price
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bracket as well. HomePods though, you know, not a lot of people buying HomePods. Home Pods are already
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expensive. The regular HomePod goes from 299 to 3.49 and the HomePod mini goes from 99 to 129. So, some smaller, some
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bigger. Just kind of a lot across the board to consider. And I'm sure the supply chain meetings to decide all
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these new prices were super exciting. Or maybe it's just Tim Cook with a spreadsheet just walking around going,
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"Do this, do this, do this, do this, do this, this." >> Why does the Apple TV need to go up at
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all? >> I don't know. mod need to go up at all. >> It's for all the people that are using
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local AI on their Apple TV, right? >> I think that's another thing that people noticed is a lot of these products that
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don't have very much RAM at all were going up in price when they feel like they didn't have to, which I agree, but
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then a lot of the products that did have a ton of RAM were not going up as much as they feel like they could have. So, I
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think some of these price increases are literally to subsidize other lack of price increases, if that makes any
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sense. I also want to note that saying everything we've said so far does not mean they had to make price
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changes does not mean that the price changes are clearly not for Apple to make more money. We all agree with that.
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There's just like the reasons why they're making more money. They're still a trillion dollar wants to make as much
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money as possible. So obviously that's why they did it. This is I think it's like it's more it's interesting to see
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what their reasonings were for things and how they were cuz this is just like such a broad or uh all over the place in
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terms of where they increase prices. I still >> Yeah. So the the number one >> $70 is crazy.
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>> That is a big one percentage-wise. The question I have seen the most chatter about on social media is are these
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permanent or temporary price increases? And I have my thoughts. I think I actually believe that they are
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temporary. But I do see a valid on both sides. I see both sides of this argument. I think I'll explain why I
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think they're temporary. >> I think a lot of the conversation and we haven't gotten very many quotes from
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Apple, but a lot of the talk about these memory price increases has been like this is unprecedented. We've literally
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never seen anything like this before. We've our hand has been forced. Uh this is like a spike in pricing. Uh this is
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not how we want to continue to sell our products. We want to get back to eventually regular pricing someday.
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>> Which all to me kind of implies like we are rising prices here as long as this
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memory shortage/AI data center boom is happening and then once it's finally slowed then we would
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love to go back down to regular prices which is you know a good way to market as well. But I think the other thing
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people are saying a lot of is, yeah, these are greedy tech companies. Of course, they're going to leave the
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prices. There's plenty of greedy companies all over the place. That's just how it goes.
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>> Yeah. They're making tons of money. And if if they aren't like negatively impacted too much by raising their
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prices, why raise them why lower them back down again? >> Um, and I don't I I see both sides of
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it. I kind of see it as like gas prices. It's like very closely tied to supply and demand. And if demand goes too far
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down, they can't leave the prices this high, especially if other competitors start lowering prices again. So, I would
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I would like to be right and say that they will bring prices down at some point months into the future, but who
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knows? >> History probably doesn't seem to be on that side. >> I don't I don't a lot of examples of
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things going up and coming back down when they see they're still selling. >> So, there's a couple interesting
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examples there. And I I I used the price of gas as an example cuz like gas did spike and then it has started coming
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down but it is more of a commodity. >> But we've seen um we've seen some products once in a while like the Quest
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go down in price again. We've seen occasionally a smartphone model will go down in price again.
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>> When did Quest or sorry Quest didn't go up? >> Quest >> until it did until it did. But I'm
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talking about older devices. The older devices. Uh I'm trying to think of like phones that dropped in price by like $50
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to $100. Wasn't there? Um >> or I guess the the iPhone doubled in storage but didn't go up in price. So
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like things happen sometimes where you're like, "Oh, I could see them increasing the price, but then they
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don't." Uh so I don't know. There's not that many precedents for price spike and
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then price drop again. I haven't really seen >> I think my most optimistic uh assumption is may I don't think any
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of these prices change on these specific items. I think maybe when new versions of them come out we could either see
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>> you know depending on the global economics of what compute uh like pricing is. they go back to their normal
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or we see them doing the game of like uh you know now the the Mac Neo 2 starts at
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$699 but starts at a higher storage or whatever like and that's our like this is higher it's still a higher base
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barrier of entry but we have more compute in it or like it's a more powerful machine therefore it's worth
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that price increase when probably really could have went back down to the other one I don't know that's like the uh
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>> the capitalist way of of going back but not really going back. >> I don't see this going down at all.
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>> Just New Jersey and you still get in half an hour late Jersey New Jersey. >> It's definitely just New Jersey and not
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New York City. >> It's not It's not like a World Cup or anything. >> Yeah, definitely never traffic in New
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York City. >> Well, hey, at least the New York City traffic is generally predictably bad.
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>> Jersey is like, "Are you in hell or are you in hell?" Plus+. >> Yeah, I was going to say I don't think
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that uh these prices are We're talking about Apple prices, by the way. The Apple prices going up for context. Y
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>> um I don't think they're going back down >> just because well one if it is temporary
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it's temporary for a while. Like it's going to be a minute because of how everything is right now. It's not like
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temporary for another like another month or two. This is like it's looking like a
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year or two more. So >> like cycles. >> Yeah. Like it's going to be a while. And
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then on top of that, everywhere else in the world, technology is fairly expensive. The United States has been
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pretty like hidden from those costs for a long time. And I think that like barrier is kind of coming down now.
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>> I also think probably one of the best arguments that prices will stay and only
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continue to go up is just inflationary. Like if this lasts years, then by the time the crisis or whatever you want to
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call it is over, that's just the the way that's just the new norm, I guess, is the phrase people keep using. Like the
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prices of everything have have gone up and now the Neo is $6.99 and that's just the way it is.
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>> Crazy. We made that video like a couple of months ago and it's already completely different.
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>> Yeah. >> Yeah. That was Yeah. The sentiment is like, remember that three or four months
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when Apple had several of the best priced pieces of tech in the world? That was fun.
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>> I felt bad for Quinn at Snazzy Labs cuz he just made a video a month ago about
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how like the whole premise of Apple devices being more expensive than their competitors are just completely gone
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now. >> It was it was that he was correct briefly for a moment in time. >> And now here we are.
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>> A beautiful moment in time. >> There was a long time when Apple things were just regularly priced and now
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they're going back to being expensive. >> Yeah. Some of these MacBooks, oh my god,
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they added like $1,200 $1,400 to the pricing. It's It's a lot. Yeah, it's a lot. Memory increases. So,
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>> we'll keep an eye on it. Obviously, uh other companies are probably going to be
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increasing prices of tech as well. This also makes me think that that folding iPhone when it launches later this year,
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please not going to be cheap. Not going to be cheap. >> That thing was already going to be like
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2100. Now, it's going to be like 26 or something. We can probably rewind and find an old podcast episode where we
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were debating if it was over under 2,000. I think it's definitely over 2,000. >> Oh, it's 100% over 2,000.
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>> Okay. Question for you guys then. And David, this is perfect cuz you just got
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here, so you need no other context. >> Okay. >> Do you think these price increases are
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going to hit iPhone? >> Will it be the same price as last year's iPhone or will they all be $150?
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>> They could do the little magic that they do where they just get rid of the bottom
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tier, you know? >> Yeah, pretty much what I just said. like the new version of things are going to
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be like the more expensive price but a little higher in power. So that will be their excuse when really
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>> yeah for iPhone. >> Well, it's kind of hard for they already cut the lower storage tiers from the
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iPhone, right? Cuz that was your whole thing was that Google was still offering low storage phones and Apple wasn't.
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>> Well, it was that their lower tiers got better instead of cutting Google >> cut their lower tier, right? But now,
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well, the iPhone, >> the iPhone 17 had doubled the base storage to 128. >> Mhm. >> And didn't go up in price.
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>> Yeah. >> So, they got rid of the lower storage tier and they kept the price the same,
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which is good. >> Yeah. I guess when I think of it, I think of the price tier. When I think of
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lower tier, I think the lower price tier. So, in my eyes, Google just upgraded the lowest tier or sorry, Apple
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upgraded the lowest tier where Google got rid of the lowest tier, which then made the lowest tier more expensive,
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>> more expensive, right? I tend to think this kind of goes along with the rest of
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the price increases which are sort of all across the board. I think Apple realizes they can't increase the price
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of certain things by too much. And I think the iPhone is one of the things that they know they don't want to have
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dramatic price increases on. So, I think they're willing to do bigger price increases on other things to keep the
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iPhone competitively priced. I still think that ultra, that folding one is going to be expensive, but I think the
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base iPhone 18 and 18 Plus, for example, will probably not be $100 more expensive.
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>> Yeah, it's hard cuz they're already at 2656 gigs for the base tier. >> 256. >> They moved it to 256.
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>> Yeah, I I hope I don't eat my words. >> They can't cut that and only offer a 512
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GB iPhone. >> So, you think next iPhone will still be $799? The iPhone 18? Uh, >> I don't know if it'll be $7.99, but I
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don't think it'll be $9.99. I don't think it'll be dramatic huge increase. >> I could say $8.49.
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>> I don't think any subsidizing any of these things on this list will make up for what they would lose in the iPhones
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on keeping it the same price. They just sell way too many iPhones. The the $70 Apple TV change isn't going to cover.
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>> That's true. The things that they should really be pushing the price on are the
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things that like businesses and enterprise use like the Mac Studio and >> which they did. They very much did. Um,
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but even the MacBook Pro, I mean, regular people still buy MacBook Pros and they still jack the price a lot.
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>> So, I feel like the cheaper things like the Neo and the MacBook Air, they should
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be trying to keep as low as possible. Obviously, the Neo, they had to try to be really careful with that.
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>> But, uh, yeah, it's it's interesting to even see a HomePod Mini price increase
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just because there's a little bit of RAM in there. Do something. >> A little bit of RAM. I uh I just bought
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an M5 Max full spec 128 terb >> about two months ago. >> Oh my god. >> And and I was saying I was saying I
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don't think I'm going to be able to get this computer in a year. >> And you know what?
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>> It's fair. >> I hope I can. I hope it comes back down, but it won't. >> Yeah, they're supposed to release the
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MacBook Ultra at the end of the year. And I was like, I'm just going to hold out for the Ultra cuz it's going to be
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so different. You know, it's going to have a better screen and all this stuff. Now I'm like
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>> that's gonna be a expensive >> that might be a seven to $8,000 baseline computer
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>> base you think >> I mean six >> I think yeah six something base. Yeah. >> Yeah. But for any upgrades it's going to
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be >> that's expensive computer. That laptop if you give it some RAM is probably
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going to be over 10K. It's going to be insane. >> I've So if you want to max out a MacBook
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Pro now it's getting up there. >> Yeah. >> It's getting up there now. But yeah this
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is you know new screen, new design, all this new stuff. could be pretty pretty spicy.
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>> Yeah. And that that kind of feeds into the the whole rumor that they're basically going to release the um
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MacBook Ultra with an M5 Ultra chip, right? >> Or an ultra chip. >> Was it that or was it the M6?
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>> I think it was the M6. >> M6. Cuz I'm trying to remember what it was. I think the rumor I'
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>> So, I think the rumor I've seen now is they're going to have an M6 and then skip all the higher
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>> tier versions of M6 >> and then M7 every version again. >> So, the MacBook Ultra will come out next
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year now with M7 >> with M7 >> Pro. That could make sense. So maybe the reason the whiteboard out
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>> maybe one of the reasons they're doing that is because they are hoping that within the next year year and a half the
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RAM crisis kind of peters out a little bit and that way they don't charge $10,000 for a MacBook ultra.
00:23:15
>> Like they might scare the market a lot if they released a MacBook Ultra starting at $6,500.
00:23:20
You know what I mean? >> Yeah. This the base MacBook Ultra is going to be $6500. I mean it could be
00:23:25
>> it's got to be high in itself is basically saying like let's start towards the top of a MacBook Pro.
00:23:32
>> Yeah. >> Like start >> right >> I think the base version is going to be really powerful.
00:23:37
>> Yeah. >> Also >> Yeah. Yeah. I'm looking at a a 9 to5 Mac article and there's a couple people
00:23:42
sourcing this but basically from Bloomberg saying Apple will skip M6 Pro and M6 Max. It'll just be the base M6.
00:23:49
So the stuff that gets the base chip can get M6 and then they'll start over with
00:23:54
M7 by doing the whole lineup again. M7, Pro, Max, Ultra, all that stuff. >> It's crazy.
00:23:59
>> Even when you name things easily, they're impossible to follow. >> This M series chip is really hard to
00:24:05
understand. >> I've been waiting for a new ultra chip in a Mac for so long. They stopped at M3
00:24:11
Ultra in the Mac Pro and the Mac Studio, but then M4 happened, no Ultra. M5 happened, no Ultra. M6 is going to
00:24:18
happen. No Ultra. Yeah. >> So, I'm going to be waiting till M7 Ultra for a new Ultra chip. That's
00:24:23
crazy. >> That's why it's funny seeing the M3 Ultra price increase being so much more
00:24:26
than the M4 because of how confusing that is. >> Maybe they'll do an M5 Ultra. I don't
00:24:32
know. It seems like they're holding back on the more powerful stuff, right? If they're not planning on doing M6 Pro or
00:24:38
M6 Max. >> Oh, I did. Yeah, I also Okay, I remember seeing this also on Twitter because
00:24:41
there's also rumors of an M5 Ultra coming out with up to 768 gigs of memory. Oh,
00:24:47
>> and everyone went, "Oh, that computer is going to be >> You can buy a house instead."
00:24:50
>> Really expensive. >> Yeah. >> How expensive? I'm going to just throw out a guess just to make myself look
00:24:56
stupid. >> 768 gigs of memory. That computer is going to be $9500. >> Probably more. I think it could break
00:25:04
the 10K barrier. >> No way. That's That's like $18,000. >> It's going to be >> if you spec it that high, like somewhere
00:25:11
between >> that much RAM is obscene. >> 15 to 18,000, I bet. Let me look at the Mac Studio pricing right now. But yeah,
00:25:17
it's not going to be cheap. My conspiracy theory, which we're probably shouldn't talk about conspiracy theories
00:25:21
on this podcast, is that uh OpenAI and Anthropic are intentionally make having the RAM crisis happen because
00:25:30
open-sourced AI models are getting more and more popular, especially running on Mac hardware. And if it's affordable to
00:25:37
buy enough RAM to run your own AI models, you don't have to use OpenAI or Anthropic for your AI stuff.
00:25:45
>> This is a really compelling con. >> I'm just saying. I'm just saying. >> So, you have to go to the model
00:25:51
providers. It's like, oh, only $20 a month as opposed to 796 GB of RAM. >> I think you're on to something
00:25:58
>> without checking apple.com. >> Keep your voice down. without checking apple.com. If you want to buy the most
00:26:05
powerful, most expensive Mac Studio with just 96 gigs of memory and 16 terabytes
00:26:11
of storage, how much do you think that would cost today? >> Today? 12K. Is it over 10?
00:26:16
>> I don't know those prices at all. The most powerful >> M3 Ultra. >> M3 Ultra 9.
00:26:24
>> 12K 14,000. >> God, I was actually going to you can't check. I did start to say I did say that
00:26:32
14,000 >> $14,299 for that computer today. So if you're thinking M5 >> Yeah. >> Ultra with 768 gigs of memory,
00:26:43
>> that's going to be really expensive. >> Not that's why I said what I said. >> W2 or M5 Ultra.
00:26:49
>> Not to give Apple like too much credit here, but remember when we used to buy
00:26:53
Mac Studios for $50,000 each? >> It was the Mac Pros. Mac Pros. The Intel Macros.
00:26:59
>> Intel Mac. That's what I mean. Yeah. Sorry. Remember when we used to buy the Intel Mac Pros for $50,000 each?
00:27:04
>> Speak for yourself. >> Well, yeah. Not we, the company. But, uh, now, you know, we got so used to the
00:27:10
price being so much cheaper for so much more performance. >> Unified memory. Yeah.
00:27:15
>> Still, nobody should buy a $14,000 computer generally. Um, yeah. >> How will I make my Tik Tok videos?
00:27:23
>> That's true. >> Yeah. This is the thing. Now, I if you are capable of doing the work, like I've
00:27:28
found that the amount of computer I need to buy to edit the videos that I make has gone down over the years, especially
00:27:35
when you consider how expensive that Mac Pro was. We had $40,000 specs and the Intel Mac Pro and those AMD Radeon GPUs
00:27:42
and or Vega GPUs and a ton of memory. When those were 40K, then I started going down to a Mac Studio and then down
00:27:48
to a MacBook Pro. I've been editing videos on this MacBook Pro, which costs less than $8,000, which is expensive,
00:27:54
but compared to $40,000, it's like reverse inflation for how much I have to spend to edit. So, I'm pretty excited to
00:28:00
continue to spend less. >> Well, don't get too excited cuz that >> I'm just going to edit on this. I'm
00:28:05
going to edit on this as long as I can. Continue to spend less by not spending anything.
00:28:08
>> Exactly. >> I'm also curious to see how the competitors respond to this because just
00:28:13
recently Dell and a couple other companies came out with their MacBook Neo competitor devices.
00:28:17
>> XPS 13. Exactly. Yeah. And are they going to raise their prices? Are they going to eat it? Because Apple's the
00:28:23
most well positioned to actually eat all of these prices. That's I'm very curious
00:28:28
and I fully expect them to. I think the more volume you do, the more insulated you are because of your order sizes,
00:28:33
etc. So, I assume XPS 13 is selling less than MacBook Neo, and therefore is more
00:28:39
likely to require a larger price increase unless Dell is willing to subsidize it by increasing other things,
00:28:44
>> which I just don't think they will. >> I think they will. I think that's due for a price increase as well.
00:28:49
>> Yeah, they don't have like 12 different products that they can just slight slightly update the price on.
00:28:54
>> Yeah. >> Interesting. So, we'll see. All right. Well, >> I'm sorry to everybody who didn't buy a
00:28:59
new computer yet. We'll have uh way more Galaxy stuff and others to talk about after the break, but before that, let's
00:29:05
do trivia. >> Trivia. Do you want the Ellis question first or the me question first?
00:29:16
>> Who's Ellis? M. >> You mean Rufus? >> Never heard of him. >> Never heard of him. Who's that?
00:29:20
>> His birthday, by the way. Happy birthday, Alice. If you made it to the end of the podcast, Oh, we're not
00:29:25
the >> If you made it to this point in the podcast, say happy birthday, Alice. >> I would like the Adam question first cuz
00:29:31
I feel like I'll have like more I'll like have my hopes up. Like I think I might get one right. You know,
00:29:36
>> it won't be as hard. >> All right. So, I'll do my question first and then Rufus will read Ellis's next
00:29:40
time. >> Okay. I have in front of me a well not actually in front of me but I have
00:29:46
pulled up on the website a maxed out MacBook Pro inspired by Marquez just digging around on the Apple website. How
00:29:53
much does it cost? >> 16 in >> 16 in maxed out. >> I'm going to try to do all of the
00:29:59
because >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All that stuff. >> The the 8 TB SSD 128 gigs of unified
00:30:06
memory. All all the good stuff. You said M4 >> M >> M5 Max chip. >> But there's >> Yeah,
00:30:12
>> this is wild. I know how much I paid for this when I I got one a little while
00:30:15
ago. >> I think they added like >> so much. >> They added like $2,300 or something. 128
00:30:21
gigs and >> I think you guys could have answered this like 4 days ago, but now with the
00:30:25
new price increases, >> how much is it? >> Oh boy. >> Well, I think they added $2,300, but I
00:30:29
don't know how much it costs to begin with. >> So, I guess >> I'm going to do delta for this.
00:30:34
>> Yeah, closest delta for this. >> Close as delta. Okay. All right, bet. All right, we'll think about it. Answers
00:30:39
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00:31:49
All right, welcome back. We got to talk now about a different company, Samsung. Samsung's been uh on this interesting
00:31:55
tear and we kind of have some expectations for them, but they started teasing this new Samsung Galaxy thing.
00:32:02
Uh they like deleted they wiped their Instagram account and like started posting these new teasers basically of a
00:32:08
bunch of different things with new aspect ratios. >> Yeah. Like uh you know like a candy bar
00:32:13
has all the pieces you can break off. So it was like 4x3 and they popped the top
00:32:17
off. So now it's like 3x3, which doesn't actually represent um the aspect ratio very well, but
00:32:24
>> but I think a lot of what they're teasing is uh this sort of small wide passport. You know, when you open your
00:32:31
passport, that like aspect ratio, it's like that. >> And I think we're all expecting some
00:32:35
sort of a foldable that is a little more squat, a little more wide and like passport shaped. uh similar to what
00:32:43
we've seen in the past from like the remember the first pixel fold oppoind. Yeah, we're going to see that again.
00:32:49
>> My favorite thing about the tease real quick is if you open it up on browser because it's um they deleted like the
00:32:55
grid so the grid system comes up to show the pieces snapping off on top by being
00:32:59
six in a row. Um it's four wide on a desktop so none of the things match up and it
00:33:04
>> full screen >> cuz I have I have a browser people that aren't using a dying browser. Hey. Hey.
00:33:10
Hey. >> Just because something isn't being updated doesn't mean it's >> uh I would argue it probably is.
00:33:17
>> Debatable. I only have a couple problems so far. But yeah, we uh we're expecting
00:33:22
new Samsung foldable and I'm curious to see how they're going to market this as being particularly new or different
00:33:28
because we have had this already and then we we kind of like moved on from it but now we're going back.
00:33:34
>> Yeah. It's funny that the there were a few brands that did this, but then because everybody else was just doing
00:33:39
regular phone that opens even bigger. >> Yeah. >> Uh, everyone switched over to this
00:33:44
>> because of Samsung essentially. Like Samsung was so good at the folding phones. Everyone was like, "Well, that
00:33:49
one's working. Let's do that one." >> Even Google like used this at first and then moved on from it. And now
00:33:54
everyone's like, "Oh, well, Apple is kind of setting the trend, so I guess we have to do it first."
00:33:58
>> Yeah. This is kind of almost along the same lines as the Air. Remember, we all
00:34:02
knew the MacBook. We we all know the iPhone Air was coming. >> Yeah. >> And then in the middle of the year,
00:34:07
Samsung went, "Oh, but yeah, here's ours." This is the Samsung Galaxy S25 Edge. >> Yeah.
00:34:12
>> And it was ultra thin phone. Better than the iPhone Air in a lot of ways, like
00:34:16
had dual cameras, had a bigger battery and all that. Uh but was their own take on it before Apple to preempt Apple.
00:34:22
Now, all these rumors are floating around that this folding iPhone is going to come out, first folding iPhone, and
00:34:27
it's going to be a more squat aspect ratio, similar to the phones we've talked about. And so Samsung's in the
00:34:33
middle of this year going to go, "Oh, well, I bet we could do that, too." Yeah. And so they're going to keep doing
00:34:38
the Zfold in the candy bar style and shape and aspect ratio, but this is a new foldable that is like I think
00:34:44
they're calling it the wide. I think that's the rumor. >> No, I think so. The rumor is that it's
00:34:48
No, sorry. That's just how I wrote it to I thought the rumor was Galaxy Fold W. >> The rumor I saw was just that it is the
00:34:54
Galaxy ZFold 8 and the new the other one is the Galaxy Zfold 8 Ultra. >> Oh, so Ultra being the one that we're
00:35:01
used to. Yes. Which to me reminds me of Note 10. >> Okay. >> Which kind of worries me because in Note
00:35:08
10 land, we had the Note 10 and the Note 10 Ultra, right? And everyone really liked the size of the Note 10, but the
00:35:15
Note 10 also got a bunch of downgrades compared to the Note 10 Ultra. >> It was like plastic.
00:35:19
>> It was like plastic back. It had worse RAM. Like it didn't have as nice of cameras. Like if I remember correctly,
00:35:25
almost everything about it was slightly worse. And the leaks we got from Android
00:35:28
headlines show the I'll call it the Note 8, but I'm still going to call it the wide just for audio
00:35:34
listeners to make sure we're talking about the same thing. The Fold 8 wide version, the passport version
00:35:40
>> only has two cameras in the leak that we're seeing. There's some case manufacturer that probably leaked it.
00:35:44
And that's clever. >> It looks like a like 3x2 aspect ratio, but two cameras. So, I'm wondering if
00:35:50
everything about this is going to be slightly worse than the candy bar style 8 ultra fold 8 Ultra
00:35:56
>> 3 by 2 is cool for previewing photos. Just saying. >> This could be this could be extremely
00:36:01
clever positioning from Samsung. I think because if you look at all the rumors of
00:36:06
what the iPhone Fold is going to be, that's that's all the same. Dual cameras, squat aspect ratio,
00:36:13
>> and if you're Samsung and you're marketing, wow, I feel I feel like you can get really clever. You can go, hey,
00:36:18
all right, we have had this candy bar style phone, which is really great to use while closed and you can open it up
00:36:24
and have a big screen. But, oh, if you want like a sort of a compromised experience where it's not that great to
00:36:31
use while closed, but you can at least have a bigger like screen open, here's a less premium version. It's only dual
00:36:37
cameras. It's only this smaller passport shape. And then we can have the Ultra, which is actually more fun to use while
00:36:44
closed. And then when Apple comes out with theirs, you go, "Oh, Apple made one of the compromised shaped ones with dual
00:36:49
cameras and passport shape. I didn't know that's or Samsung and we also offer the big bad ultra."
00:36:54
>> Oh, that's interesting. >> I think that's the clever >> like at least that's how I could see it
00:37:00
going. >> Yeah. Look at the compromises. You only get two cameras. You have to do this.
00:37:04
>> That would be up. >> That would that would be pretty messed up. >> That would be some chess. I think my
00:37:08
issue with it and why I compare to the Note 10 is like it makes me wish they were both just essentially the same
00:37:15
thing, but you as the consumer get to pick which size you prefer. But if it does wind up being and
00:37:21
>> I haven't seen any specs other than the camera, so I don't know if it's going to
00:37:25
have like slightly worse materials, slightly different um battery or I mean it'll probably have a different battery
00:37:30
size. Yeah. But um >> like >> then I just wanted to pick my size and still have the same performance. This
00:37:37
feels like AB testing titles and thumbnails where the two thumbnails are completely different. And what did we
00:37:43
learn out of that? I don't really know. Instead of two thumbnails that are the same, but one has an arrow and one
00:37:48
doesn't have an arrow to be like, "Okay, people really do prefer the bigger size." Well, do they prefer the bigger
00:37:53
size or do they prefer the better specs at spending that much money already? >> Scientifically, the Ultra sells more for
00:37:59
Samsung because in America, we basically do carrier plans and everything is the difference between $18 a month and $20 a
00:38:06
month. So, >> yeah. >> Yeah. >> Interesting. I I could see that. I mean, you you do want to isolate one variable
00:38:11
and see if people like one thing over the other, but in this case, there's going to be a bunch of things different
00:38:15
about these phones. So, >> maybe not. Hopefully, it's just the cameras and the size. And maybe they're
00:38:21
running similar. I don't know if that's >> I would assume that this Ultra will be
00:38:27
more expensive and the the small wide Yeah. will be less expensive >> and they're going to want to put enough
00:38:32
of a gap in there that it doesn't feel too close. Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> Interesting.
00:38:38
>> Well, we'll see in a couple weeks, I guess, because that's supposed to drop >> sometime in July.
00:38:42
>> Sometime in July or August, I don't know. Something like that. >> Coming up. >> Speaking of drop,
00:38:47
>> cuz you said it was going to drop in July. >> Uh, Polestar is dropping out of the US
00:38:53
market entirely. >> Kind of being pushed out in a way. >> Yeah. And this makes me sad.
00:38:58
>> Yeah. >> I Well, it's funny. I like a lot of the Volvo EVs and I actually like some of
00:39:03
the Polestars and it is unfortunate to have that competition leave the US market because I thought the Polestar 2
00:39:10
was a solid option. That's the most realistic one to recommend to most people. It's by far the most popular
00:39:15
one. >> The lineup gets a little confusing after that because it's a midsize crossover
00:39:19
and then another midsize crossover and another midsize crossover. But that's okay. They looked nice. They drove nice.
00:39:24
They had nice speakers. They had these Spartan super clean interiors. Uh but the Pstar 2 was solid and uh it's a
00:39:31
shame to see it going away. Yeah. So effectively what's happening here is the US government kind of issued this order
00:39:37
that you cannot have cars that run software from China. If you didn't know, Polestar is a subbrand of Giley. Giley
00:39:45
is a giant Chinese automaker. For some reason, Volvo, which is also owned by Giley, uh was given authorization to
00:39:51
sell cars here. I think this could be one of those things where the US government's like, "Vo, we've had Volvo
00:39:56
forever. Polestar is a new thing. get rid of it. >> It is confusing because like Volvo is a
00:40:00
Swedish company, right? That then got bought by >> Gily and then But what's even more
00:40:05
confusing is don't both of them run Android Automotive for their software. >> Ye. Yes.
00:40:11
>> Which is Google. >> Yeah. I'm not sure. There might be some like code in the way that it tell the
00:40:19
card. >> Well, I guess like where's where's data going back to >> Yeah. I don't know. I still think it's
00:40:25
one of those things where the government just doesn't understand the difference.
00:40:28
And we've seen a lot of companies do this. Like people don't like DJI, so they launch a subbrand, you know, like
00:40:33
the the government doesn't like OnePlus, so they launch a subbrand and then in and then they're allowed into the US. So
00:40:39
it's it's very strange. Um, but they're going to be continuing to sell all of their leftover stock in the US, but they
00:40:46
won't be able to sell after model year 2027 and forward. Um, yeah, it kind of sucks. I personally did not like the
00:40:53
Pulsar 2 that much cuz the interior felt like very very cramped even though I felt that they were one of the best
00:41:00
looking cars on the outside. >> Mhm. >> Um but either way it's not it's not fun to see our options disappearing
00:41:07
especially because in the United States our car brand options are already very limited compared to a lot of other
00:41:12
countries. >> Yeah. >> Sounds like New York City just got a bunch of new taxis just like the
00:41:17
>> Yeah, just like the Fisker. >> Uh okay, next quick story. WhatsApp is launching usernames. This is my least
00:41:25
favorite thing. >> It's your least favorite thing. Whoa, whoa, whoa, >> wait, wait, wait, wait. Give me
00:41:29
>> Because every time a company launches a new thing and they let you pick a username, the second I go to pick my
00:41:34
username, it's already taken >> and I never get my username. >> I'll sell it to you.
00:41:39
>> Be quicker. >> I've been parking it for you. >> You tell me you haven't already been
00:41:43
testing this for 2 weeks. >> I wish. Yeah. So, this is pretty straightforward. Basically, previously
00:41:49
it hooked up to your phone number. Now you can pick an username. I think in general this is a good thing. I
00:41:54
understand that for you this is probably not uh and kind of sucks. Honestly, I think what they should do is because
00:42:00
it's hooked up to your in if if you're hooked up to your Instagram account through WhatsApp, it should
00:42:04
automatically park on that username for you and then you can decide if you want to keep it or not. And then if you don't
00:42:10
>> I saw people online saying not to do that though because then if you have a very public social media now they can
00:42:16
just message you on WhatsApp. It can't though um because they did add a feature where you can only people with a special
00:42:24
private code can message you >> through your username. So when I I signed up for my username
00:42:30
>> you know and when I when I did it it said there was an option that was like let only let people message you if they
00:42:37
have your private code and it gave me a private code. So basically you send it to someone you say oh I'm this on
00:42:42
WhatsApp and here's my code and then that's how they can start a conversation with you.
00:42:47
Hey, hey, friend. >> If you want to message me, here's a here's a code to let you message me.
00:42:53
>> I don't know. That feels >> I would also assume that if they like scanned your QR code or something like
00:42:57
when you first give them your your account. Yeah. Then it would automatically >> Doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose
00:43:02
of having a username? >> Well, I wish it was more like Instagram where it would just have my main inbox
00:43:07
and then like a secondary inbox. >> Yes. But the other half of that is impersonation cuz if there's someone out
00:43:12
there with the official MKBHD username on WhatsApp and it's not me. >> Yeah. >> What the is that?
00:43:18
>> Yeah, true. >> That's like the most obvious. Like >> they're maybe they're just doing this so
00:43:22
that they can do a unified verification system even though Metaverified is not actually verification. It's just uh
00:43:29
>> I also wonder like Twitter >> don't want to connect to Instagram as much because Instagram getting banned in
00:43:34
the EU but WhatsApp is not part of that and they want to keep those apart as much as possible.
00:43:38
>> They let you though. When I signed up for the username, it said, "Do you want
00:43:41
to just use your Instagram username?" And then it it did a little lock icon kind of like the the Apple one. It
00:43:48
>> very important. Um, I also just want to point out that six years ago, >> wasn't me this time. It was Adam. Adam
00:43:55
made a video. >> I knew you were going to bring this up. >> When him and I used to work at Android
00:43:58
Authority, uh, Adam made a very controversial video at the time, which, uh, he was right all along about how we
00:44:05
shouldn't have phone numbers anymore and we should just have usernames. I could get on board.
00:44:09
>> Yeah, I I did have multiple people reach out to me afterwards and bring up some
00:44:14
very compelling reasons why that shouldn't be the case. But overall, I do stand by it. I think it would be a
00:44:19
better world if we had just usernames or something instead of phone numbers. >> And to be fair, at the time, we were
00:44:24
trying to revitalize a dying YouTube channel. So, we just kind of throw the wall. It
00:44:28
>> was a hot take at the time. >> I mean, it was Yeah, we were like, "Adam, can you make something?" Anyway,
00:44:34
he did >> hold my beer. >> I think it's good. I think it's good. >> All right. PlayStation is ending
00:44:39
physical disc production. Also, for everyone reading this, I'm sorry how often I wrote disc like a Frisbee and
00:44:44
not like a disc like a PlayStation disc. I'm pretty sure that's a K. Marquez didn't even notice until I can tell. You
00:44:52
can look it swaps back and forth cuz I realize sometimes. Anyways, um Sony just announced that January 2028 and on they
00:44:59
will stop the production of physical discs for new PlayStation games. Only digital versions will be available. And
00:45:06
this I think has initial reaction from almost everybody. So before we get to that, I'm going to play bad guy or good
00:45:13
guy or Sony and say a couple reasons why they're probably doing this. >> Okay. >> Physical games are sold way less often.
00:45:20
Most people don't want to wait for delivery or go to a store. >> Y >> game discs for PCs has been dead for
00:45:26
ages. We download things. Um I'll throw out the little Apple look at us, we good. uh environmentally beneficial
00:45:34
because that's a lot of waste. Plastic and discs that probably get thrown out >> and giant profit margins and capitalism
00:45:42
>> when you don't have to make physical things. That's >> probably the main reason. Let's all be
00:45:47
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Do I boo you now or >> I just want to point out that Sony put
00:45:52
out a video a while ago for the PS4 that I just need you guys to watch. Okay. I'm
00:45:57
going to have you watch this. I don't know if you already watched it, but it's very funny. came out 13 years ago. To be
00:46:02
fair, a lot changes in 13 years. >> Totally. >> This is called uh official PlayStation
00:46:08
used game instructional video from the PlayStation account. >> I remember this. >> Okay.
00:46:14
>> This is how you share your games on PS4. >> Thanks. Wasn't this done as a retort to some other
00:46:31
console that Xbox they stopped? >> Probably something like Xbox. Yeah. And so, and I also and I also need to point
00:46:37
out that last week Sony removed a ton of movies that people had already bought from the PlayStation store because they
00:46:44
ran out of their licensing deal for them and they just people cannot watch those
00:46:48
movies anymore even though they bought them. There's no refunds offered >> unless they have a disc.
00:46:52
>> We are living in modern digital surfom. you do not own anything. You are renting
00:46:57
a license by paying money and it's bad. And uh that's a reason why the discs should still exist. Even though most
00:47:04
discs are just kind of uh ways for the console to actually talk to the internet and say, "Oh, hey, it's
00:47:10
>> nowadays." >> Yeah. Nowadays. >> Anyway, >> well well here we are again once back in our digital surfom.
00:47:20
>> Resident gamer Mariah's in the house. >> I just want to say I saw this article
00:47:24
this morning. I got so mad it gave me a headache immediately. Um, I'm an avid physical media consumer for games and I
00:47:33
don't trust companies. Um, >> and probably a good >> There we go. probably um in fact I was actually researching
00:47:40
this for a video recently >> and um in the short term I personally in my personal opinion I don't think it's
00:47:48
bad to reduce e-waste and all those kinds of things coming from discs and streamlining the process and making it
00:47:55
cheaper for consoles that don't need to have disc drives and all that kind of stuff. But I do support resale and fair
00:48:02
competition. And as you will note recently that the um let's see, we've had a bunch of different online digital
00:48:09
stores actually close down within the past five or six years since COVID. We had the Wii online store shut down, the
00:48:15
Nintendo eHop, the Wii U shop, Nintendo 3DS shut down. >> Nintendo RIP. >> Um Xbox 360 stuff became limited over
00:48:24
the past couple years. So, I don't trust companies with preservation and like availability to games.
00:48:31
>> Yeah. >> And so, there's a really great foundation, if anyone actually wants to
00:48:35
research this, called the Video Game History Foundation who would like to provide access to researchers and other
00:48:40
people who would like to be uh part of video game preservation. And I suggest uh following them and uh we'll see what
00:48:49
happens with Sony in the next couple years. >> Very nice. >> And that's my rant.
00:48:52
>> Good shout out. I feel like I know I mentioned like PC games don't have discs
00:48:57
and haven't forever, but like consoles feel like uh like a time capsule. There's like this like this is six years
00:49:04
of video games on one thing. And the fact that all of us now can go out and buy the like systems we grew up with,
00:49:11
like if I want to go play Spyro on a PS1, like it's probably not the hardest thing to find. It might be a little
00:49:16
pricey, but not crazy. Or N64 cartridges are still >> kicking ass out there. I mean, they're
00:49:22
expensive, but you can find them and you can play those games. And like, I can show my kids the games that I played
00:49:28
back then because they don't know that Crisis looks almost identical. Instead, they're going to play Golden Eye and be
00:49:33
like, "The aiming in this game sucks." >> Is this uh is this the same thing that
00:49:37
happens to music where we all used to buy albums? >> Oh, yeah. >> And now in the future, kids are not
00:49:43
going to know what that's like, but we'll have our albums and we'll be like, "This is I this is the one I bought."
00:49:47
Yeah, it'll be like a like a relic of of former times. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's that I think it's in my
00:49:54
opinion it's also all the indie games on the storefronts and once the storefronts
00:49:57
disappear, access to the indie games and the smaller developers also will maybe disappear with it as well. There's a
00:50:03
really cool video from a YouTuber called The Completionist where when the uh Nintendo Wii U and 3DS store shut down,
00:50:10
he downloaded every single game in the storefront, every single one before it shut down and then he donated it to the
00:50:16
foundation for research purposes. >> Very cool. >> Very noble, very sick. I hope we don't
00:50:21
have to do that again in the near future. >> Wouldn't it be cool if we had some sort
00:50:25
of protocol? Oh boy. That all the games could be hosted on online. Here we go. >> Everyone's computers could run this
00:50:35
protocol to help seed these >> mic. Unplug his mic. >> Yeah. Well, >> that would be nice.
00:50:41
>> It's depressing. I um Yeah, I don't like digital surfom. >> Anyway, >> that video of them is like the
00:50:47
quintessential big company makes stand >> regrets it a lot later when it gets put
00:50:53
against them. Yeah, it's it was literally the Netflix sharing password tweet. >> Yes.
00:50:57
>> Like, >> yep. >> That's This is fun. We're all for this >> age like milk. >> Yeah. And also the the Samsung haircut.
00:51:05
Um the >> notch the notch haircut. >> That one aged. So it was like two years later. Something like that. Something
00:51:12
like that. So well speaking of gaming, um last week we talked a lot about the Dbrand companion cube accessory for the
00:51:19
Steam Machine. >> I don't think we talked about it at all. >> At all. >> Uh never mind. But it did exist. Well,
00:51:25
if you didn't >> I meant to talk about it. I just We were >> I really thought we did. I had it in
00:51:30
there and we just talked about the machine and stuff. >> That's crazy. Well, Dbrand made this
00:51:34
really cool companion cube accessory. Um, I say made because they're not making it anymore. Basically, what
00:51:40
happened is they didn't ask permission from Valve, which is crazy. Didn't we talk about the the video they made for
00:51:46
it >> before and we were just watching it? >> Are you kidding me? Okay. Well, this
00:51:49
apparently wasn't on the podcast. Dbrand made some incredible launch video for this where they used like the Cave
00:51:54
Johnson voice and a bunch of companion cube stuff and some Portal guns and like the robots from Portal Atlas and like
00:52:00
those guys and everyone's like wow this is crazy. This feels like an official Valve video. It's wild that Dbrand was
00:52:06
able to do this. Turns out they weren't able to do this. >> I also I mean we're close Okay, first
00:52:12
off Dbrand is a major sponsor of the channel. So everything major disclosure major disclosure
00:52:18
>> I find I never thought that and I hadn't talked to them before or anything about
00:52:22
it. Dbrand's always kind of been a >> they kind of go rogue all the time. >> They go all the time. They did the dark
00:52:28
plates with the >> the marketing term of like sue us Sony and they've had logos in the past that
00:52:34
they had to like >> uh stop including. It's just kind of their vibe, which is a fast and loose
00:52:41
vibe. And I'm sure they're very aware. >> Sometimes they'll like show a case for
00:52:45
an unreleased phone before the phone comes out. >> Yeah. Which I'm sure the company is not
00:52:50
happy for. >> They just kind of wing it sometimes. Yeah. This is uh maybe backfiring on the
00:52:54
winging it part. >> Yeah. They made a big apology post on Reddit and they said that they
00:52:58
definitely should have asked first. Uh they did try to plead with Valve to work up some sort of licensing deal. They
00:53:04
said no. They said that was fair. So, unfortunately, not going to see the light of day. However, I'm sure that we
00:53:10
will see a bunch of 3D printed face plates and stuff like that because the entire point of the seam machine is to
00:53:16
be able to be modded physically. >> We have one of the cubes. >> It's sick. Sorry to say for all the
00:53:22
people who don't get to have it really well >> after the podcast. >> Um, I saw a lot of people saying
00:53:29
hopefully they'll release the is it STL file? Is that a 3D printing file? Um, which a lot of people appropriately
00:53:36
responded like this hasn't doesn't just have to do with the fact that it's like something they're selling. It's the
00:53:41
distribution of copyright trademark material. Like they're definitely not going to be able to release that.
00:53:46
>> Um, but yeah, it's a bummer they couldn't. It's obviously a huge mistake that they made that they know cuz
00:53:52
Dbrand's great at being transparent. Uh, >> yeah. They also said it was their second
00:53:57
fastest selling product ever, only behind the kill switch case for the Switch. >> Sure.
00:54:02
>> U, which is great. which which actually tells you a little bit about steam machine demand.
00:54:07
>> Yeah, that should imply that steam machines, despite all that we said last week about how expensive they were, are
00:54:13
still pretty in demand to the point where people are buying accessories for it. >> It sold out instantly in Japan.
00:54:18
>> Alex got screwed over with his Steam machine because he put in his reservation for the like 512 GB model
00:54:24
and then like the day he was supposed to get his place in line went, "Oh, wait. I'm going to do the two TB one." and
00:54:29
then got launched like months back in the line and isn't getting one. Hey, speaking of sold out, did you guys see
00:54:35
that random headline that the Ferrari Luch, despite all that we talked about it, also sold out in China?
00:54:42
>> Segue. >> Mhm. >> In China. >> Now, do you know how many cars that was? >> Oh, wait. Did you find out?
00:54:47
>> Yes. Is it 12? >> No. >> Is it more than more than 12? >> 100. >> More than 35.
00:54:52
>> More than 100. >> Not more than 100. Oh, >> all 88 luches for that market. They made
00:54:59
88 for China. >> In all of China. >> Yeah. >> Known little country China. >> How did they come up with 88?
00:55:04
>> I don't know how many they were planning on making, but that's what the article
00:55:07
said. 88. >> So, you just like you take orders for 6 minutes and then you cap and you're
00:55:10
like, "We sold out." >> Yes, >> we sold out. We sold They came to that market with the number 88 and they were
00:55:16
like, "This is how many we're going to sell here." >> You know what? I think it's
00:55:19
>> Is it important in China? >> I think it's lucky. >> Probably. I think eights are Oh, yeah.
00:55:23
cuz Snapdragon 8. That's why they called a Snapdragon 8 because in China 8 is a lucky number.
00:55:27
>> Yeah, they figured if they called >> They had a Snapdragon 7 series, didn't they?
00:55:29
>> Yeah, but that wasn't lucky. >> The the flag the flagship one was eight. >> The seven and six are just cut down.
00:55:36
>> But yeah. >> All right. Well, >> that's just >> You just wanted that luch jab in there.
00:55:41
>> Just wanted to throw that in there. How many did they sell out in America? >> Uh that I don't know. I just saw the
00:55:46
luch sold out in China and I was like, "Wow, what does sold out mean?" So, I clicked the article and that was that
00:55:52
was the number. Very nice. >> Instant sellout. >> Instant sellout. >> Yeah. >> Okay.
00:55:56
>> Good. >> Well, we have another trivia question. >> Nice. Apple, the company that has always overcharged
00:56:08
for RAM, is now charging even more for RAM. >> True. >> It's true. But what Apple offering has
00:56:17
increased price over 2.5 times since its launch in 2019. Polishing cloth. >> What Apple offering?
00:56:28
>> What Apple offering? >> So this is an option or a product. >> They're saying offering.
00:56:34
>> It is a product. >> Okay. So digital product. What Apple product has increased in price 2.5x
00:56:41
since 2019? >> Since it launched in 2019 and since its launch, its price has increased over 2.5 times.
00:56:52
>> I have an idea. I think I might. >> It's not Air Tags. >> Air Power. >> That one's been free the whole time.
00:57:01
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Okay, welcome back. I have one more thing for the end of this podcast because I've just been confused on
00:59:48
Twitter. >> Nice. And I'm generally confused about AI. But these ones are specifically
00:59:52
confusing to me. >> It's the natural state of being on Twitter is confusing. >> That's super fair. And I hate to say it,
00:59:58
but I will be on Twitter a lot today because hockey free agency starts and I'm very excited for it. Um I think
01:00:02
LeBron's going to go to the Buffalo Sabres. Anyways, um uh okay, we've seen a million different
01:00:09
AI things, but there have two that I've been just bothering me a lot because I don't really understand what they're
01:00:15
trying to do. >> Okay, >> the first one is more recent. I think it's called poke.
01:00:21
>> Just poke, right? Is it poke or poke? >> Poke. >> Poke. Okay. >> Poke. Okay. >> Poke. It was already an AI that lives
01:00:27
inside of things like iMessage, WhatsApp, Telegram. Essentially, it is, you know, an AI chatbot that lives
01:00:33
inside your messaging apps. >> Yeah, I believe. So, >> I've used this. >> You have used it?
01:00:36
>> I have used this. >> Okay. Well, their new version of it >> is called Poke Humans
01:00:41
>> Facebook. and they have this insanely confusing hype video that's just a bunch
01:00:45
of messages going back and forth that I can't really follow, but it seems like essentially when you are talking to your
01:00:52
chatbot, if something gets too confusing for it to do for you, it will bring you
01:00:58
to a human to start doing that thing. This is just >> customer service intelligence.
01:01:04
>> Yeah. Like >> this is just your personal assistant, but like you're on a call with Comcast
01:01:10
customer service where like you have to go through 20 different AI recordings to
01:01:15
try and just tell you your bill instead of actually figure anything out and then
01:01:18
it brings you to a customer service agent who also has no idea what they're doing. Yeah, I'm so confused by this
01:01:24
because I can't imagine the humans being paid to do this are making enough money that
01:01:31
it's not just a call center. again that probably doesn't really know what's going on, especially in your personal
01:01:36
life because I assume this is supposed to be a >> uh data personal assistant. Yeah.
01:01:43
>> So, like they definitely can't afford to have really high quality train. I mean,
01:01:47
what was the um what was that phone >> that had the one um >> Oh, the assistant.
01:01:54
>> What's it called? Why can't I think >> Caviar? Not the Virtue. But what's it called at a hotel when somebody concier?
01:02:01
Thank you. Uh it reminds me of that because that was like cool personal concierge instead random person from
01:02:07
across the country who switches every couple minutes and doesn't really have any idea what they're doing.
01:02:12
>> Uh do you know how much this costs for Poke Ultra? The version that has the human assistance part.
01:02:18
>> I assume it's a subscription. >> Yes. I mean it's right there on the page, but take a guess. Monthly.
01:02:24
>> Oh, I haven't looked. Um, oh, a few hundred >> $1.99 a month. >> 200 bucks a month.
01:02:33
>> Also, you can get onto it and then go human, human. >> Can you just say human type zero?
01:02:38
>> Human talk to a human. Talk to a human speak to a technician >> asking for a personal assistant.
01:02:44
basically. >> Yeah, but assuming just like the Virtue concierge, presumably one that really
01:02:52
doesn't want to do any of the things. >> Of course. >> Yeah. In the hype video, they were doing
01:02:56
things like, uh, can you ask David if he wants to go to a restaurant in San Francisco and what his preferences would
01:03:04
be or like what his dollar amount? Well, like stuff like that. Yeah. which feels
01:03:08
so hard to send to another human that's potentially I mean they're at a call center no matter what whether it's in
01:03:13
the US whether it's in another country >> yeah like a type center is true yeah let's make this slower let's make
01:03:21
customer service slower sounds >> I just >> I thought the whole point >> this is this is confusing right
01:03:26
>> I want to try to explain this product to you because I did I did use it for like
01:03:31
a day >> poke or poke human >> poke I did not use the human version >> okay >> yeah so poke is an AI assistant app that
01:03:38
lives inside of iMessage, also can live inside of WhatsApp, Telegram, etc. Uh, the whole shtick of it is that it gets
01:03:45
access to all your information. So, it knows like pretty much everything about you and it's very sarcastic. It kind of
01:03:51
ribs you and instead of you having to go to it and ask it questions, it'll just text you periodically to throughout the
01:03:58
day to like remind you to do stuff or like ask you little questions, stuff like that. Um it was kind it kind of
01:04:04
launched in the same era as like the friend pen. >> I was going to say this sounds like the
01:04:07
friend pen >> which again I don't know what ever happened to that. Who knows? They spend
01:04:12
a million dollars on the um URL. Anyway, so that's been out for quite a long time. Famously when you set it up, you
01:04:19
actually have to negotiate. You negotiate with the AI to try to set your monthly price. So it tries to set it at
01:04:26
like a certain monthly price and then you go, I'm not paying that. And it goes, okay, how about this? Okay, how
01:04:30
about this? And you just argue with it forever. >> What? >> Yeah, it's very weird. A lot of people
01:04:35
got it to like 99 cents. Some people got it for free. I argued with it for like an hour to try to get for free and then
01:04:41
I uninstalled it. >> Um, let's So, you have to haggle with your AIG. >> Yeah, with the human one, it's not that
01:04:49
way, I assume. >> So, I should just get my AI to haggle with it for >> That's true. Just get Claude to haggle
01:04:54
>> and they'll haggle with each other. I'll get two poke instances and they'll both
01:04:57
get each other down to free. Does anyone remember Smarter Child on AIM? The bot you would message and it like responded
01:05:05
back to you. But >> smarter child. >> It was called Smarter Child. But like as a kid you would be like
01:05:10
>> I mean the typical AIM, hey supmu and then you would just be like you smarter
01:05:15
child and then it would just be like not say anything. You be like that was fun.
01:05:18
And that's all you would do. That's what this poke sounds like. like this is an AI that you can just
01:05:23
>> ri at and it can be sarcastic and maybe screw around with it and be like I'm deleting this app.
01:05:28
>> The one positive thing I will say about it is that for the like day that I was
01:05:32
using it, it was kind of like scarily accurate about things about my life that it was bringing up, you know, where with
01:05:39
like Gemini, you'll tell it like one thing once and then it will just fixate on that, you know, like like how the
01:05:45
Fitbit Air just fixates on the burrito that I ate that one know things about you though if it's just
01:05:50
>> plug it plugs into your Gmail like you give it access to your Google account.
01:05:54
>> Okay. So you have to plug into everything. >> Yeah. You have to So now when it goes to a human
01:06:00
>> humans can't scan through an entire Gmail account in milliseconds like an AI can. So I guess it's being a little more
01:06:07
targeted and getting the information. But it seems like it's going to slow down significantly and also human get
01:06:14
bunch of information. Well, what I would guess is that the human Yeah, the human
01:06:17
element is because they trying to make it like a pure personal assistant concierge. And so for certain digital
01:06:23
tasks that the AI can handle for you, the AI will do that. But then there's things like, I don't know, booking
01:06:29
flights that maybe they don't have access to yet. And so they want it to be able to eventually do everything. It's
01:06:36
kind of crazy that's 200 a month, but that's how much humans cost uh at a minimum,
01:06:41
>> I guess. So, >> so >> this also seems it feels like you know how there's like digital well-being
01:06:46
tools in your phone to help you use your phone less. Feels like the opposite of that kind of like you you're you're just
01:06:52
texting it all the time basically. >> Yeah. Yeah, that's true. But it's almost like you're talking to a person cuz it
01:06:57
uses a lot of slang and it uses a lot of >> It doesn't use a lot of capitalization
01:07:01
according to this >> uses like no capitalization. >> That's cool, man. >> It's trying to be very Zoomer. Very
01:07:06
Zoomer. >> All right. >> Yeah. I don't know. Uh, I feel like we're just going back to actual
01:07:10
intelligence again. So, who knows? Just I guess just get a personal >> I. I don't want AI. I want I
01:07:16
>> just intelligence. >> Okay, I'll go with my second one. This has been out for a little while, but
01:07:22
>> I feel like I've not included it in the podcast because it just felt like I was
01:07:25
going to make fun of it, but that's kind of the section right now. Taste Labs. Did you see this?
01:07:30
>> I saw this. >> Okay. a new data and infrastructure layer to give AI model models and agents
01:07:35
taste in a sorry >> I no it's perfect I saw this whole huge tweet and this 90 second video
01:07:42
>> when you got to the end of that sentence that's when I left >> I saw the first sentence of we're
01:07:47
building the data and infrastructure layer to give AI models and agents taste and then I closed the tab
01:07:53
>> that's >> but go on >> I that's probably what I should have done instead I got really angry um their
01:07:58
CEO tweeted they're on a mission to and AI slop, which feels like the most tonedeaf stupid thing I've probably ever
01:08:06
heard of. It It actually sounded like a company Ellis would make up for one of our trivia questions. Um, unfortunately,
01:08:13
it is real. What? So, this is what I'm confused about. What are they talking about? Because in the world of AI slop,
01:08:22
it's because Yeah. stock go up. Um, it it's just like we are funneling everything into AI so
01:08:32
that it can create the things that it sees all the time. Taste is is something that like people have because they're
01:08:39
genuinely creating their own things. So, is this just going to be a curated amount of stuff the model is getting fed
01:08:45
into? Therefore, then just turning that curated stuff into the same thing thousands of times over, destroying the
01:08:53
quote taste from the thing they >> I'm going to play minor devil's advocate, but then also play Angel's
01:08:59
Advocate again. >> Nice. >> Uh, usually AI design is really bad. It's bad and it's all the same. And it
01:09:07
there's kind of this like AI website look now where everything has these rounded corners with these certain
01:09:13
gradients and like eventually when you get the net average of everything it kind of just ends up like that and it's
01:09:18
pretty lame. >> It's happening sorry with that YouTube thumbnails in smaller niche communities.
01:09:23
Right now I think the tell is slightly dark white slightly dark background >> white and yellow text that has like
01:09:32
brush strokes and this like slight black grunge tint and black outline. >> Yeah. In the disc golf world, there's a
01:09:37
bunch of them right now. You can tell they're using the exact same program because all the thumbnails look exactly
01:09:42
the same. >> Yeah, everything. >> So, I can see where they came up with this idea because they were like, "Well,
01:09:48
AI has terrible taste, so we have to make things look better." >> Angel's advocate for the the problematic
01:09:53
part of this is that the way that design works and the way that everything works
01:09:57
is that everything works on a pendulum cycle. So if the average of everything becomes really good, eventually that
01:10:05
starts to look dry and bland and like old and so then people start using ugly stuff again and that becomes hip. So
01:10:13
everything's like this pendulum. And so if their company is just based around, okay, we want to make AI design look
01:10:18
better now, that'll work for a little bit, but eventually it's probably gonna start looking old and drab
01:10:25
>> if if they're successful. the quicker they turn the the more niche tasteful design into the slop.
01:10:33
>> For sure. >> So, it's just like we're not ending AI slap. We're just making different This
01:10:39
is AI slop with a little garnish on top of it for a little while and then the garnish gets all wilty.
01:10:43
>> Exactly. It's Yeah, it's >> it's stupid. It also almost feels like they're straight up saying like we want
01:10:49
to make sure we're ripping off the best designers out there and stealing their stuff and definitely not paying them for
01:10:55
it. I mean, yeah, that's the other thing about taste is >> it's subjective. >> Yeah, it's subjective and the AI is
01:11:01
inherently based off of someone else's taste and work. >> So, yeah, >> it doesn't Yeah.
01:11:08
>> Well, it's kind of like how everyone was using the Chobani font. You know, we
01:11:12
talked about this a little bit. >> The yogurt font. >> Yeah, the yogurt font. Like, everyone
01:11:15
has been using the Chobani yogurt font for the last like year or so because it's sort of like sort of like New York
01:11:21
Times like really high quality. And uh now every single brand is using that and so it's like yeah it looks good for now
01:11:29
but I think that pretty soon that's >> damn >> it's a good ass font not gonna lie.
01:11:34
>> It's a great font. >> No it's a great font. I think there's a reason everyone has been using it but
01:11:41
>> yeah anyway it's going to get it's going to get long in the tooth pretty soon.
01:11:44
>> Did they make this font? Did the yogurt company make this font or did they >> Javani Sif? Did they make this?
01:11:51
>> Is this better than their own product? This is kind of sick. >> Yeah. >> Shout out to Chobani.
01:11:55
>> We need Tim to use this on the thumbnail. This is the original. It is called Chobani Sheriff.
01:12:00
>> Wow. >> I mean, hey, they cooked. They cooked. But everyone's using it. I swear to God,
01:12:04
everyone's using it. >> No idea. It does look familiar. >> Yeah. And and then there's the newsprint
01:12:08
stuff like Anthropics logo is very news prints, very New York Times, Gothic. Um anyway,
01:12:13
>> but they all have like very slightly rounded corners. Yeah. All of the new Sarah fonts are all soft
01:12:19
>> because all of these new AI companies need to feel more human, you know? You know?
01:12:24
>> Yeah. >> That's the reason they're doing it. They want to feel the problem relatable like
01:12:29
yogurt. You know what I mean? >> I don't want my AI to feel more human. I want it to just do the small like
01:12:34
>> Yeah, but they want people to feel like their AI is not the person for this. >> Do you know the best way to feel like a
01:12:40
human? >> Being a human? >> Breathe. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's true.
01:12:46
>> We did it. >> We did it, Joe. >> Okay. I don't want to go any further because it's just going to be hate.
01:12:52
>> That sounds like a >> I'm just confused by these things and I'm not surprised that I'm confused by
01:12:56
them, but that just seemed wild. >> I think we're in the st I mean, we've been in the stage of the AI boom where
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like everyone is still trying to find a unique idea and even if it's not good, people are still going to try it.
01:13:07
>> This feels like >> that's why you're confused. >> Taste Labs feels like the needle that is
01:13:11
currently popping the AI. Like this is like we've reached to that point where she blowing
01:13:17
>> hopefully. >> Every time you think you've reached the top, there's another mountain to climb.
01:13:21
>> Yeah. >> All right. Well, >> what's trivia? >> I think we should trivia. >> Okay. Okay. Here we go.
01:13:32
>> Question one. >> Yeah. >> I have in front of me a web page. On that web page is a maxed out MacBook Pro
01:13:40
from apple.com. How much does it cost? >> It's one of the things where I'm worried
01:13:51
I'm going to be like so drastically low it looks like I have no idea what I'm talking about.
01:13:55
>> It's a 16 in with nano texture display, M5 Max chip, 18 core CPU, 40 core GPU,
01:14:03
128 GB of unified memory, 8 TB SSD, 140 watt USBC charger. I hope I heard they up the price of the Nano texture
01:14:12
because it uses so much RAM. >> Just kidding. They didn't actually do that. >> I don't know to be true.
01:14:19
>> I actually don't know it to be true cuz I didn't look. >> All right, flip them and read. What do
01:14:22
you got? >> An old math equation. >> I tried. Uh, I can break mine down since I showed my work.
01:14:30
>> Go for it. >> So, I have the 16inch M5 Max MacBook Pro starting at $3,000. I think the
01:14:35
nanoexture adds 150 bucks. I think the 128 gigs of memory adds 2500 bucks. That one I'm not so sure about. And then I
01:14:42
think the 8 terabyte because I think it starts at two. >> So you go from two to four to eight. So
01:14:48
that's $4,000 more for that. So I I ended up at $9,550. >> All right, Andrew. >> I'll break mine down. I put a eight and
01:14:58
then a five and then two zeros for $8,500. >> Okay. >> Okay. My logic was that it's probably
01:15:05
worse than I think. So, I put $12,000. >> The closest is >> Marquez. David >> Marquez.
01:15:15
>> Marquez gets the point. >> What was it actually? That one. >> $10,149. >> Oh, I almost put 10.
01:15:21
>> So, with that, Marquez, you now have 32 points. Andrew with 27, and David with
01:15:26
32. >> NO. >> TIED UP. >> NO. >> My age. >> No. >> That's wild. >> Uhoh. >> Okay, that's great. Points. You know,
01:15:35
sometimes people stop me on the street and say, "Good job with trivia. You're killing it." I feel like they're going
01:15:40
to stop now. >> Now they're going to stop me on the street. >> Really? >> Say, "Good job catching up to David."
01:15:45
>> Yeah, that's exciting. >> Apple, the company that has always overcharged for RAM.
01:15:50
>> Oh, yeah. >> Is now charging even more for RAM. But what Apple offering has increased its
01:15:55
price over 2.5 times since its launch in 2019. You know, Marquez may have been tied
01:16:03
with me for a brief moment. >> I'll give you a hint. This is an Ellis question. >> Keep that in mind.
01:16:12
>> Yeah, I was going to say that. >> This was probably like >> exactly my thought.
01:16:16
>> Apple VHS. >> Oh, >> I tried to write this in the Chbani font. We have Oh, okay.
01:16:30
Andrew and I both said AirPods. I don't know if you're thinking the same thing I
01:16:34
was thinking. >> Nope. But we're both like the base AirPods. >> That's what I was thinking. The base
01:16:40
ones. >> Which AirPods specifically, Andrew? It's almost like you could have just written
01:16:43
Sony. >> AirPods are the name of a model. >> They're AirPods 3. >> Well, the AirPods line, two, three.
01:16:52
>> Yeah, like Sony, you know. >> No, Xperia one, two, three. It's literally you're proving my point that I
01:16:59
stopped arguing. >> Whatever. Whatever. Okay, >> David, you wrote >> I'm not salty. I wrote Apple one.
01:17:04
>> Apple one, >> which is not correct, but >> is >> sort of a little bit correct because the
01:17:14
answer is Apple TV Plus. >> Wow. >> Oh. >> Which has it launched at $4.99 and is
01:17:22
$12.99 now. >> All right. Well, in case anyone is wondering, uh it is about 80 degrees in
01:17:27
here now. Uh it was not at the beginning of the pod, but that's okay cuz we survived. And uh just like that, we've
01:17:34
created another episode for your regular schedule of programming. Very exciting.
01:17:38
Uh if you made it this far in the pod and you already left a comment wishing Ellis a happy birthday,
01:17:44
>> take it away. Delete it. >> Delete it. edit your comment >> and say happy 32nd birthday specifically
01:17:53
to Ellis and his 30 definitely not his 32nd >> but it will make sense. >> Yeah, call him.
01:18:00
>> Say happy birthday. >> Yeah. >> Anyway, thanks for watching. Thank you for listening and specifically for
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subscribing which means we'll catch you guys next week. Peace. Bye. We is produced by Adam Molina and Rufus
01:18:12
Mohop. We are partnered with Vox Media Podcast Network and our tra music was created by Vain Still. Bingo. Let's go.
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>> Wow. I'm on a roll with trivia. That's exciting. >> I ain't. >> That's so exciting.
01:18:31
>> I'm on a generational collapse.