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Wizards. >> Don't worry about it. That's exactly where you need to Formula One.
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>> That's where you need to be. >> Is this Wow. >> Yeah, >> I'm a heat wizard in WoW.
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>> Yo, what is up people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the
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Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez. >> I'm Andrew. And
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>> I'm David. In >> this episode, we've got, let's see, fast
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food chains using AI. Cool. Uh, we've got a robot phone that maybe exists, but
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maybe not. Cool. Uh, we've got Rayban Metag Glasses. If you're using them,
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then maybe you shouldn't. >> Cool. Uh, and Google is changing their 30% tax.
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>> Cool. Pretty cool. >> Oh, and uh, >> a 30% tax on like developers.
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>> Yeah, same as Apple. >> Yeah, >> it was the same as Apple. Why was
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everyone so mad at Apple? >> 45 stories. I thought the whole thing was that everyone was like, "No,
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Google's one is is cheaper and fine, but Apple's is a problem." >> No, Google Apple both got sued for the
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same things and Google lost an Apple one. >> I thought Google sued what? >> Apple lost some parts of it, but Google
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lost more. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Damn. >> They don't have the same reputation.
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That is that is facts. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Well, that's because Google had a chain
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of emails saying how Anyway, continue. Make sure you delete these And then some basketball stuff at the
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end. >> Oh yeah. >> Oh yeah. >> Oh yeah. >> Cool. >> All right. But first, did they even test
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this? >> Okay. >> I have a really quick, really stupid one, >> but it drives me insane every day. It
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drives me insane every day. >> Sorry. >> No, I mean, no, it's fine. Yeah, it's
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>> um your thing. >> My Forester, >> the volume UI is horrible. It's the worst thing ever.
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I'll be really fast on this. >> Go on. Cuz a lot of cars have >> surprisingly bad volume UI. You change
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the volume, takes up the entire screen, no matter what's on the screen. Google
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Maps. Have you ever like been needing to take a turn, so you turn the volume down
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just to make sure it's easier to take a turn? I don't know why that makes sense.
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>> Yeah, for sure. >> Well, if you do that too close to your turn on my car, I've lost Google Maps
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now for like 5 seconds. It's I have a photo of >> Oh my god, >> the full screen takeover.
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>> It's a full screen takeover. It is like kind of transparent for probably a
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couple seconds. >> Feel like liquid glass. >> It's not like liquid liquid glass. Um,
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>> that is actually This is me changing the volume on my >> That is crazy.
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>> Andrew. Andrew. And Andrew. And Andrew, let me tell you why you're wrong. Okay.
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Cuz it's a volume knob, right? Volume. >> Oh, that's the next part of my
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>> When your hand is on the knob, >> you can't see the knob. >> So, how do you know what volume the
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volume's set at? >> But you need it full screen. >> No, you don't.
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>> Yeah, you do. That's what I'm saying. >> No, everyone else, your hand is covering
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it. >> On the screen, it should be a little bar on the side that goes up and down with a
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number next to it and not take up the entire screen because I need the I need the volume quiet when I'm making my
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turn. >> Yeah. >> And now I've lost being able to see that. The other problem is it's a full
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circle. >> Wait, wait, real quick. Brits, stop commenting right now. >> No, keep commenting. This is all for
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engagement. Subscribe. Um, the circle, it's a full circle. The number it goes
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to is 38. >> No. >> Why? >> 38. Okay, that's actually worse. That is
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actually worse. >> Part of me is like that's not that bad cuz you never go max volume, right? But
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that means the direct middle of the circle is at 19, >> which is infuriating.
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>> Okay. I thought you when I heard that it was the volume in your car, I was like
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whatever. A lot of cars have weird volume. I think the the one I showed uh I forgot what car it was where you do a
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gesture in front of the screen. You twist your finger like this and it turns the volume up. I thought that was going
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to be the dumbest one I've ever seen, but this is worse. This is actually worse. That's crazy.
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>> So annoying. So yeah. So constantly 19, I'm like, "No, I need to go to 20." And
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now it's like one tick over the perfect half circle, >> which then I have to stare at for 5
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seconds while I miss my turn. So >> that's a deal breaker, honestly. In a
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car, that's a deal. And >> I think if the Fisker had that, I'd be like, "That's a little much." Imagine
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doing the whole thing with the saleserson at the Subaru dealership and like man this car good price drives
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great four-wheel drive everything smooth ride everything is great let me just check check how the sounds and you spin
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it you're like oh my god and just walk out the door and leave it behind now I
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remember when I was a kid and my I would be playing music in the car and my mom would turn the music down because she
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would get stressed about like what exit to take and I'd be like mom why are you
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doing that and now I totally do that all the time but it would be so much worse if You're trying to figure out what exit
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to take and the entire screen just disappeared >> for several seconds. >> Then you have to decide between turning
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the volume down so you can actually focus or being able to know where you're
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supposed to go. >> If you can you like tap it to make it go away or something
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>> every time. >> That is crazy, dude. >> That's the worst one yet. I
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>> That is really bad. >> That's so crazy. >> That is I think Adam has a quick update
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on his >> Yeah, quick update on the one that I said I don't remember when it was time.
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Is the >> WhatsApp one. The WhatsApp one. Oh. >> Uh, so now I am on a different phone and
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the problem is gone. >> Oh, >> so it is just a pixel problem. >> I think it's just a pixel problem.
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>> # pixel problem. >> Pixel #team pixel >> problem from Google
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>> for the gift from Google. >> What phone are you on now? Uh, with your
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weekly swapping >> the S26 Ultra now. It came in. Yeah. >> What color?
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>> Black. >> Nice. >> Yeah. >> Correct. Also, a lot of people were
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telling him this was like some feature where you cuz if you like lift it up to listen to a voice. But no, you're
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talking about when you had your Bluetooth headphones connected. >> Yeah. When I have headphones connect
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your Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That wrong. >> Yeah. Cuz proximity sensor makes sense
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if you're like about to take a phone call and then it switches to the earpiece. Whatever. But like I'm wearing
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headphones. >> Yeah. >> Why does the proximity sensor even turned on?
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>> Maybe like the Pixel like tap to the flip to hush thing could be like going
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off or something. >> Maybe. I don't know. I don't have to deal with it anymore. So, someone else
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figure it out. >> It's the best way to fix it. >> Do you trade in your Pixel for the S26
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Ultra? >> Uh, not yet, but I'm probably going to. >> Yeah. >> How many total tradeins do you have, do
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you think? Lifetime. >> I honestly couldn't give you a number. >> Insane amount.
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>> Adam's basically the guy who like leases a car every year. >> More than every year.
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>> Does it like every 3 months? >> Listen, there aren't a lot of things
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that I splurge on, but the phone is the one. >> It's fair. >> Adam's been doing this for like the last
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seven years. I remember Adam and I going to the Galaxy S20 Ultra briefing and we
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leave that briefing. He's like, "I'm getting this phone." >> I was like, "Adam,
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>> this phone wasn't even here and another phone came in that's still under
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embargo." And he went, "Should I even open this phone?" and almost returned
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it. >> Big returner. >> Oh boy. Okay. According to Car and Driver, >> at some point, Stellantis, who does not
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own Subaru, did an internal study where they determined that 38 was the perfect number of volume steps for a car. What
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>> because you could still hear the difference between each step. >> That is not,
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>> but it did not feel like too few like it was the perfect level of fine and coarse
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adjustment. In theory, it makes sense because according to this, you get two decel increments which give you about 64
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dB of dynamic range, which is what most people functionally consider silence to loud.
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>> So, that's kind of interesting. >> However, Subaru is not owned by
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Stalantis, so I don't know what that has to do with this. >> I have so many rebuttals to that it's
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silly and I won't even bother going. >> The biggest rebuttal is that the
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greatest audio engine of all time, the one baked into all Apple products, has 16 volume steps. And no one has ever
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been like, "My iPhone doesn't have enough granularity to the volume."
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>> Yeah. But there's also not a number attached to it. Like they could just
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take away the number and just show the wheel and it would be better. >> That Yes. But would you
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>> Yeah. No. No. Or or scar. >> Actually, that would solve a ton. >> Why do we care about numbers?
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>> It's a valid point. >> Numbers make me mad. Music make me happy. Actually, that is You know what's
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funny? That's true. A lot of cars, they will have like a a set of numbers. They'll have a set of numbers for the
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volume and I'll and and a lot of people are like this. They'll they'll go to
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like 21 volume and that's uncomfortable. So, let's go to 20 or let's go to 22 or
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25 or certain numbers are okay and others even though it's the correct volume. In my car specifically, 14 is
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the perfect volume, but I hate that. So, I always go to 15 or 12, which makes me
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mad. But the cars that I review that >> okay, but 14's 14 is weird. I can't do a 14.
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>> Zeros and fives are ideal. Z and are 12. >> 12 is fine. 11 is not. It just is what
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it is. Don't worry about it. >> I review cars that don't have number
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attached to volume and I'm so much happier because I'm not thinking about
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the number. I just set it to exactly what I want and that's perfect. >> Cuz I'm not even going to get into this
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weird number bias you have. That's I did not a doctor needs to get into 14 is a
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great number. It's divisible by seven. >> That's it. >> And two.
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>> And two. Well, that's it. >> 12 is divisible. 14 in one. >> Did I ever tell you when Sorry,
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>> I was going to say this is exactly like the headphone thing that happened last
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week cuz in my head I'm like I could never use a device that doesn't give me
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a number with the volume >> cuz like in the audio room for example, it's like I know when I'm at like I
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think uh 42 is the number I like on my >> Well, that's the answer to everything.
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>> I know if it's at 42 and my reader is giving me like 78 or 82 dB in the room,
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it's the right volume. Like I can correlate all the need to match things. >> But when I'm in the car, I don't need to
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think about matching. I don't need to listen to the music at the same volume
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that I did last time. >> I do. >> I just need it to sound. >> That's my numbers thing. Like there's
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there's a right volume. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's I don't know. And then
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there's like YouTube volume and system volume. I have this problem on my I have
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a Nebula projector and for some reason the projector has volume and the Google the Google TV dongle that is part of the
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projector also has separate volume >> and randomly the system will just decide
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that I want to use one or the other. >> Yeah. >> And so sometimes it'll be maxed out and
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the projector maxes out at 25. >> I don't know why it's 25. >> I'm fine with 25.
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>> Well then you said even numbers are your thing. Well, no. I guess if I'm only
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thinking of 25 cuz then the halfway mark of that >> is not >> Yeah. >> No, that's 12.5.
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>> But one time I was on the Google TV thing and I had the volume maxed and it
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was still really quiet and I was super confused and I was going through everything and I had to change the HDMI
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to my Nintendo Switch 2 and then it raised the volume of the system >> because you can't change the volume of
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the system while you're in the Google TV volume. That's only the Google TV
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volume. >> Yeah, >> it's a whole thing. This is this is the thing with a lot of like pairing your
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phone to your car. A lot of them automatically max out the phone's volume so that you just adjust the car volume.
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>> That makes sense. If it did that automatically, >> but some don't match the volume. So,
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I'll get in with my car volume high but phone volume low and I'll turn the phone
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volume up and suddenly it's way too loud. I have to turn the car volume down. It's weird.
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>> Oh my gosh. >> Yeah, we've talked a lot about volume. >> It's, you know, this is one of those
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things that we could probably do half an hour on it at least. >> Wait, wait, we have another one.
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>> Yeah, we started arguing about something else now. In a set of 25, the median
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would be 13. But in a set of 24, the median would be 12.5. >> It's not quite 13.
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>> The median >> is a set of just the numbers. Yeah. >> That's the mean.
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>> No, the mean is the is the average. I'm talking about the number like dead set
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in the middle of 25 would be >> Well, that's if you start at one. >> Yeah. No, I'm talking about if you have
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if you got a volume knob, right, that has 25 steps. 13 would be the one in the middle because you'd have 12 on either
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side. You'd have 1 through 12. Then >> you'd have zero as well. Yeah. Yeah.
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Zero. 03 would be the sign. >> This is what I what I remember when it tells you what's the halfway like what's
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halfway between. >> I brought this section into the pod to be short. We're probably 20 minutes in.
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>> We got to talk about burger AI. Yeah, we got to we got to move on. >> When I was in like third grade, there
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were we were learning halves and I had my hand up and I was like half of five is obviously three because it's my
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middle finger and no one could convince me otherwise. And I just sat there like I I feel like the teacher is lying to me
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because of not doing zero. It's the median of of a set of files. You were actually doing advanced mathematics.
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>> Yeah. Well, and then I stopped right there. >> You got to slice. You got to slice your
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finger in half. >> Oh, please don't say that. >> Okay. >> Okay. Cool.
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>> So, more importantly, >> Burger King, I'm sure you're all dying
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to hear about this. >> How important is this? Let's see. >> It will be very fast. I want to get your
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opinions on it. >> It'll be very fast. Andrew paragraphs about it. >> That's what I always do. Um, I heard
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about this from a podcast called Eaters Digest, which if you're into food or
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food content, highly recommend. But >> is that like Readers Digest for old
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people? >> This is like This is like that, but it's a podcast for food for young people.
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>> Oh, Marquez. >> Cool. Or maybe millennials. Definitely millennials.
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>> They call it Digest. Yeah, they should just call it that. >> That's a good point.
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>> Yeah, remove the eaters digestive cleaner. >> But okay, so there's a new AI at Burger
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King stores, and I will go over the pros and the cons of this. There's only >> You're almost right. The pro is the AI's
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name is Patty, which is really funny. >> The only pro. >> That's the only pro of this.
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>> That's good. >> The con is that it is a voice enabled chatbot that lives inside the employees
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headsets that helps them with food preparation and checking their interactions to determine the all the
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employees quote friendliness. >> We live in home. >> So essentially this is piloting in 500
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different Burger Kings. Um, Patty has been trained through information compiled by BK franchises and guests on
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how to me measure the friendliness by using phrases like, "Welcome to Burger
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King, please and thank you." By monitoring the headsets, Patty can um, Burger King managers and franchise
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owners can then access Patty to see how friendly their employees at their locations are being. Sounds absolutely
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miserable. >> Sounds like a hellcape. >> Yeah, total hellcape. >> These people have never watched Office
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Space. >> I can't. That's that's the part in no officers with Jennifer Anderson with her
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with her all her little pieces of flare. >> Yeah, this >> it's literally that
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>> except worse cuz they're always watching you. >> It also my favorite part of this was
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they're working on it to um try and recognize tone because I can just imagine people being saying thank you
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and please extremely sarcastically and being rude and their friendliness thing still going up. But this just sounds uh
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like the worst thing ever. Why are we This makes it feel like, hey, managers and owners do less work and now the
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people who are getting paid the lowest amounts at these and make the franchises run. We're going to monitor you 24/7.
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So, I hope you're not talking about anything private there cuz who knows where that's going to go.
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>> This just reminds me that like my friend has a coffee shop and he got a low
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rating on Google Maps and the rating just it was like one star and it was like barista said, "What do you want
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today?" And I felt that that wasn't friendly enough and I was like, "Are you
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kidding?" should have said, "What the do you want today?" >> That's my thing, though, is
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>> people feel so entitled going to fast food already. >> Yeah. >> With like the workers that if someone's
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rude, they're probably going to leave a crappy review. We don't need to listen
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to them 24/7 and have AI follow. >> And every Burger King already has a 1.4
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star. I >> So, who cares? >> I love Burger King. Like, I love the Whopper. But even I can concede when I'm
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at a Burger King when I'm at a Burger King, neither of us want to be there. Neither employee. So, I'm not expecting
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you to go up over It's fine, dude. Just be rude. Give me my burger and we'll
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both go home at some point. Like, that's cool. >> You tell me to f off and just get
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everything right on the burger. Probably through the crappy point of sales system, and I'm happy. I don't care.
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>> It sounded like you said that's half of what it was doing. The monitoring
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employees part is ridiculous, but the first half you said it was like helping them. ask it like what ingredients might
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need to be or like how many pieces of bacon, which could be helpful because of how often, you know, we do limited time
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offers and stuff like that, but it'd probably be easier to just ask the employer standing next to that knows how
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to do it already. >> Sounds like there's a picture there's a there's a there's a picture on the wall
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by the station. >> It'll remind you to put glue on the pizza. >> That sounds like the AI that Marquez
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installed at all of our desks to track us. >> No one knows about that. >> You made a good point. One of the big AI
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gaffs last year was it not knowing how to make food. Yes. >> Yeah. Yeah. It was like, "Oh, my my uh
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my cheese is not sticking to the pizza. What do I do?" And it was like, "Use
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Elmer's glue." >> That's probably not It's probably not trained on Reddit. It's probably trained
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on, you know, recipes. >> It's trained on Reddit. Oh, god. But also, it's not. It's not.
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>> I know. I'm just kidding. >> There is one thing that I thought did
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maybe sound a little helpful, which is apparently in the headset you can say that you're out of an item and it should
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be able to update the drive-through menu, all the kiosks, all the point of sale systems. So that could be really
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helpful unless you go and ask one of your employees, hey are we out of bacon? And it I guess accident I don't know how
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it works but I could see that being like that will happen there. Dude, the amount
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of times working at a restaurant where the kitchen hasn't told the servers yet
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that like something is out and it hasn't updated the systems yet and then a bunch
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of orders come in and you're out of it and then you have to go back to the table and explain to them it's out.
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Sucks. So that would be kind of nice. But other than that, this sounds awful. Um, fast food workers have it hard
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enough. Let them, you know, maybe chat about their lives without worrying that everything is recorded.
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>> Dude, that's horrible. >> What if they're just super rude and then
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at the end they go, "Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Have a good
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day. Have a good day. Have a good day." >> It's like Rocket League in my eyes. Like
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the rocket league to cut down on toxicity, they made all the quick chats and that is still the most toxic thing
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possible. When you like miss a goal, it's like nice sick nice kick. What a shot. What a shot.
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>> Great save. And it's just like ultra sarcastic. That's how this feels like.
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>> I play the Pokemon trading card game Pocket on my phone. And um >> No, no, no. You are addicted to the
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Pokemon trading card. >> That's the one thing that I have, Adam. Please let me have it. Okay. I start
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something, I stick with it for my life. Okay. Anyway, there's like they Nintendo
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really did not want people to be able to be toxic to each other. They really didn't. So, you cannot te you cannot
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message each other in any way. So, even if you're trading somebody, you can't
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say like, "Oh, I don't want this or I want this." It's like you can label
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things that are start. Anyway, the whole thing people have still found a way by basically you battle somebody and if you
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beat them some sometimes they'll like initiate a trade with you and just trade
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you like the most basic card ever and then say thanks. And that's just like the way that people are toxic.
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>> Toxicity always finds a way. It's crazy. >> They're like cockroaches.
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>> Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, >> yeah, this is this is hell. I I think that the the only way that a lot of
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employees of a lot of jobs get through the day is by having camaraderie with their colleagues and ju just knowing
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that even though it's like an AI model, just knowing that there is something
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that is always listening to what comes out of my mouth while I'm at work is freaking terrifying.
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>> And the only reason this exists is because Burger King was like, "We got to
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get our stock up and AI is the only way to do this." >> We got to tell our investors that we're
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making the company better and using AI to do it. >> Leveraging AI. This is the thing they
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thought of. >> Burger King is not the fast food place where people are mean to you. That's
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Popeye's. >> And frankly, I wouldn't want that to change. >> I know. They're pretty mean at the uh
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the KFC Taco Bell combo near me. >> Yeah. But that's okay. They're allowed
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to be. >> Yeah, they have. I don't care. >> I really don't care.
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>> I do remember. Well, yeah, the kiosks are nice, but sometimes you go in I
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remember I walked in. I don't know if it was a Burger King, so I shouldn't say
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it's Burger King, but I remember walking to fast food on a late night road trip
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and the employee just goes, "What? That That was Burger King. Probably it was
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either McDonald's or Burger King. And I was like, >> "Nice. Nice."
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>> Yeah. Yeah. Incredible. >> All right. We are now 20some minutes in
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>> volume and Burger AI, >> right? >> I don't know. >> Well, I've talked about everything I
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know this episode. >> Cool. I think next we're going to go down the Apple new devices tier list
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because all of the reviews are out. Well, not all the reviews. There's a there's a number of reviews out now. All
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of the products embargos have lifted. You can find reviews online everywhere. Uh we put a couple out. We're still
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working on a couple, but I think that we're going to go through all seven of
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them and we're going to rank them from best to worst. >> So, I had a question about that.
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>> Yeah. When you say rank them, cuz there's seven here. Yeah. I'll just go
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through the seven just real quick. iPad Air got the M4 chip, iPhone 17e, Studio Display, Studio Display XDR, M5 MacBook
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Air, M5 Pro and M5 Max, MacBook Pros, and MacBook Neo. >> Yeah. Now, when you say rank them, are
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we ranking them based on how good of an update they are? Are we ranking them based on just how good they are, period?
00:20:32
>> I would just say like >> excitement of the launch. >> Excitement of the launch.
00:20:36
>> Yeah. Okay, I can do that. >> Like people being stoked for this product to come out and exist.
00:20:40
>> Oh, I can do that right now. >> Or even you being stoked for this
00:20:43
product. >> Oh, that's different. >> People care more about your I care more
00:20:47
about your thoughts. >> I think Marquez's number one's probably I'm going to guess the Studio Play XDR.
00:20:52
>> I'm interested to hear what Marquez is. iPhone 17e. >> I can do both. I can do both my
00:20:57
excitement >> air M4. >> And I've seen a lot of of commentary online on these. So I can do both my
00:21:02
excitement level and the general public's excitement level for these. >> Yeah, for sure.
00:21:06
>> Which you want to do first? >> Um first. That's two things David and I
00:21:12
didn't discuss and said at the same time, by the way. >> All right. >> We're just on the same page.
00:21:15
>> You finished each other's >> sandwiches. Thank you >> from
00:21:18
>> He finished it for me >> from top to bottom. >> All right. So, my personal excitement
00:21:23
level number one is the Studio Display XDR. And it's because I am personally
00:21:28
using the product right now that this replaces. And that's the only it's the
00:21:32
only thing well other than the MacBook Pro that's true about this list. Um, I
00:21:38
kind of like the Pro Display XDR. It looks really good. It's also only 60 Hz.
00:21:44
And >> no, the the XDR is 120, right? >> The one I'm using now. Sorry. The
00:21:47
Proisplay XDR. >> Oh, the Pro. Yeah, the one I'm using now, which is discontinued officially,
00:21:53
uh, which I bought like seven, eight, however many years ago it came out. >> Uh, looks really good. The nanoexture is
00:21:58
amazing. Uh, it's got these thinner bezels. I don't need a web camera speakers in it. It's a great display,
00:22:03
but it's only 60 Hz. >> And so, this new display comes out and it is better in every single way on
00:22:09
paper other than being smaller. So, it's a 5K 27in display instead of a 6K 32-in
00:22:15
display. That being said, it's better in every single >> and it's cheaper by like $2,000.
00:22:21
>> It is cheaper >> and it comes with a stand. >> So, that's what I was most excited about
00:22:25
and I'm thinking I'm going to be switching slash upgrading to these. How
00:22:30
do you feel about the size? >> That's what I'm the most wondering like
00:22:33
that's what especially double that's a big difference in screen real estate.
00:22:37
>> I have a pretty set way that I use my dual displays now. I'm a dual display
00:22:40
guy. I always have my primary which is mostly my web browser, email, and whatever I'm working on. And then on the
00:22:46
right, I have a bunch of other things like Slack and my to-do list and calendar and a bunch of other stuff that
00:22:49
sits over there. >> Wow. Good to know we're not your priority. >> Well, when Slack notifications come in,
00:22:54
I'm on top of it. It's always open. Anyway, I I think I can work with slightly less real estate because of the
00:23:00
way I manage what I'm doing. I don't need the I wish it I wish it was a 32-in
00:23:05
display. That would be I'd be happier. Uh but I I will still have enough. So,
00:23:09
that's my number one as a Studio XDR. Right underneath that is MacBook Neo. I
00:23:12
was fascinated by it. Curious to test it. You can see on the podcast video users are aware that it's been in front
00:23:17
of me this whole time. Uh underneath that is M5 Pro and Max MacBook Pros >> are made for each other.
00:23:24
>> More piss. >> They seem to have uh a surprising performance bump in a couple interesting
00:23:30
ways. Storage read write speeds are insane. I read the Veres review and they said they were getting like 18,000
00:23:36
megabytes per second reads and writes. I was like >> wait 18,000 or 1800? >> 18,000?
00:23:40
>> 18,000. >> Yeah, I was getting 1,500. Yeah, 1,500 on the Neo and I was getting like 3,000
00:23:45
on my MacBook Pro and 18,000's crazy. So, as someone who works with Big Files,
00:23:50
I was curious about that. Then I'd go down to the last four are kind of tied
00:23:55
for me, I guess. Um, do I like any one of them more? Let's go M5. >> Should I just make this?
00:24:04
>> Yeah, the rest is just they're all tied. >> No, man. >> I think 17e is over the like studio
00:24:09
display is just >> my personal excitement. >> Same thing. I mean, I'm excited to
00:24:13
review it, but like >> it's it's what it should have been. >> That's true. I agree. I mean, as far as
00:24:20
how good of a product it is, I agree. So, I Yeah, you could go 17e, then MacBook Air, then then iPad Air with M4
00:24:27
and Studio Display last. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Now, general excitement from the public
00:24:32
is MacBook Neo number one by far, >> which is why they saved it for the last
00:24:36
day. And I think this is probably true about uh cheap devices in general, which is why, weirdly enough, iPhone 17e is
00:24:44
probably number two as far as volume of chatter that I've seen about this. >> Number three is people talking about the
00:24:51
studio displays a lot. >> Um, not necessarily because they're excited to buy them, but because of how
00:24:56
big of a difference there is between the interest of Studio Display XDR and regular Studio Display. A lot of people
00:25:01
are disappointed with the regular Studio Display cuz it's still a 60 Hz panel.
00:25:05
Well, it's still they didn't really change much. They updated the speakers
00:25:08
and Thunderbolt 5 on the back and that's kind of it >> the cameras >> and it's still 1,600 bucks and 60 Hz.
00:25:13
So, the Studio Display XDR is the interesting one, but it's 3,200 or $3,300. So, it's not like people are
00:25:20
going out and buying this a lot, but they're interested in it because it's
00:25:23
the new one or different one. >> The biggest thing that kind of sucks about it going to 27 in is for people
00:25:28
who just want to use one monitor. I guess like two monitors it feels really big, but like 32 inches on one monitor I
00:25:35
have so much screen real estate to do separate things and now 27 is >> quite a bit smaller.
00:25:39
>> Yeah, >> it is. Yeah. And the bezels are a little thicker and it's Yeah. It's just a
00:25:44
little bit less room. >> And a lot of people spending that price probably only want to buy one monitor.
00:25:49
>> Yeah. When you're spending that much money, you want the best possible
00:25:51
monitor. But I said it in my review of the XDR, it's like there are no other 27
00:25:55
in 5K 2000nit miniLEDD 120 Hz options. >> That's like the this guy scored four
00:26:01
goals on a Thursday in March kind of stuff. >> But all of the things are really great
00:26:06
like what you want like scored four goals and >> Thursday games I usually lose and
00:26:11
>> Yeah. Like and won the game and had a cool haircut and like had a sweet
00:26:16
jersey, whatever. Like it's a bunch of cool things all in one that you can't
00:26:19
really find anywhere else. So that's I think uh number three. Uh and then it
00:26:25
kind of tapers off maybe h >> probably MacBook Pro over Air just because like people half the people who
00:26:32
really liked Air liked it because it was the cheapest thing. Now Neo's there. So
00:26:35
MacBook Pros are like maybe you were the person who's waited a few generations to
00:26:39
get the new one and you're looking for it. >> True. There's a ton of people on M1
00:26:43
generation MacBooks right now and every time a new generation comes out, they all look around and go, "Is it now worth
00:26:51
an upgrade?" Cuz the M1 is so much better than what whatever they had before, and it was a huge leap. So,
00:26:55
they've had M1 through the last 6 years of Apple Silicon. And now M5, they're
00:26:59
finally looking around like, "Is now the time I should upgrade?" >> And it's it's closing in on maybe it's
00:27:05
finally worth jumping. It's still expensive, but like M5 Air is 1,100 bucks now. If you have an M1 Air, should
00:27:14
you go to an M5 Air? You still kind of don't have to, >> but it's starting to get there.
00:27:19
>> I think M2, M3 really did not sell very well because everyone bought the M1 and
00:27:23
M1 Max being like, I don't have to ever forget this for like seven to 10 years.
00:27:27
Yeah. Like that was the whole thing. Like I I blew like five grand on an M1 16inch MacBook Pro with 4 TB of storage
00:27:34
cuz I was like, >> still kicking. >> It's still kicking. >> Yeah. And I remember you stressed about
00:27:37
it at that time, but look at how long it's lasted you. >> I know. Exactly. Yeah. I think with the
00:27:41
M5 MacBook Pros, the new Fusion architecture is kind of a big deal. You can move data way faster. Uh the G
00:27:46
there's more GPUs. It's kind of turning into like a serious serious workhorse.
00:27:51
And I know that it's not upgradeable in any given way, but um yeah, I think people are finally starting to feel like
00:27:57
maybe it's worth upgrading, especially those people that are doing like coding
00:28:01
and AI tasks where they just want to have that stuff accelerated. This stuff is very, very good at that. Now,
00:28:06
obviously, we have the rumor that the M6 Pro and M6 Max are coming out later this
00:28:11
year, like in November. >> Awkward. So, you know who's in an interesting spot right now?
00:28:15
>> Mariah, >> I was going to bring it up. >> Who edits here, as you guys probably
00:28:18
know. Uh, her editing machine is an M1 Max MacBook Pro and it's just like yours. It's been cooking. You know, it's
00:28:27
been very capable and it's gotten the job done, and plenty of edits have happened on that computer. But like I
00:28:32
said, it's getting up to the time where it's like, wow, okay, 12 to 25% every
00:28:36
year, now it's stacking up. >> M5, maybe maybe M5 is the chance to to upgrade and actually feel that
00:28:43
difference. But now that there's that crazy MacBook Ultra rumor on the horizon, it's like, well, maybe that's
00:28:49
the one to wait for instead. And I don't know if that's going to be an M5 Max or
00:28:53
an M6 Max or if they'll even get to M6 by then, or if it's just the OLED that
00:28:57
we want it for. Either way, for people who are like maxing out a laptop as their main machine, maxing uh then
00:29:06
that's that's the carrot at the end of the stick right now. >> Mariah specifically wants a touchcreen.
00:29:11
>> Oh, does she actually really Mariah was all in on updating and then Al was like, "No, no, no, don't do it."
00:29:17
G just said that like the M6 Ultra is coming out later. I was like, "Oh my god, Mariah's going to retire and still
00:29:23
have that M1." >> I mean, isn't she still running a Pixel 6? >> Yes. Yeah, but the like getting work
00:29:28
done machine. >> No, I know. But >> like the gains from M1 Max to M5 Max
00:29:34
will be pretty good for sure. >> I just I wonder if she doesn't need the
00:29:37
touchcreen necessarily and then doesn't need the the notch to be gone and have
00:29:41
it be replaced with a potentially Touch ID like uh it's going to be a dynamic
00:29:45
island. >> I don't know if it matters for her that much, especially if the gains I we don't
00:29:51
even know if it will actually be M6 Pro and Max. how much better than M5 Pro and Max
00:30:03
and these different things and like maybe some AI workload things if they ever release Apple intelligence stuff
00:30:08
like that. Um yeah, it is an awkward thing especially when it's like we're
00:30:12
not even we're like nine months away from this potential launch. Nine or 10 months away.
00:30:17
>> Potential launch. Big word there too. >> Big word and it could get pushed.
00:30:20
There's all the you know there's the Rams shortage. There's all that stuff.
00:30:23
This is a whole another angle to all of this is that Apple was able to reduce the price of most of their devices amid
00:30:32
the global RAM shortage, which is insane. Like every other computer, every other phone is going up in price. And
00:30:39
Apple is like, "Here's a $600 laptop. >> Here's we're going to reduce the price
00:30:44
of the display, which also has, by the way, the display has an A19 in it. So it has 16 gigs of RAM,
00:30:50
>> more than the Neo. The display has sorry. Yeah. 12 12 12 gigs RAM. It has
00:30:54
more RAM than the Neo. >> Yeah. >> Which is wild. As it should. >> I don't I guess it's cheaper. It is very
00:31:02
different. But but then the Air did go up 100 bucks, right? >> Well, they just they got rid of the base
00:31:09
model. >> So, it's actually it's $100 cheaper. >> There is no base model. And it's $100
00:31:15
cheaper than the second model up from last year. >> It's the weird version of a price
00:31:19
>> technically. So, it's like, yeah, it's it's a price. Their margin is better on
00:31:23
the base one now because storage doesn't cost them much, but they're giving you
00:31:27
more storage >> for the upgraded price. So, the price of entry is higher by $100.
00:31:31
>> But you get more storage and it used to be $200 to get that much more storage
00:31:35
last year. >> How long do you think they eat the price until they have to raise it? This is my
00:31:39
question. I don't know how long Tim Cook makes these deals for like storage and
00:31:43
flash. And I I would guess a year and a half, maybe two years. So, it's like
00:31:48
very possible that by the end of the year, this is going to be way more expensive. I mean, we already knew that
00:31:53
this MacBook Ultra or whatever it is, >> is supposed to be much more expensive
00:31:58
than this one. And I think that that's what potentially makes the M5 still doable for people. And maybe why they're
00:32:05
going to release both in the same year is that they're priced differently enough that it's like M5, M5 Max are
00:32:11
still insanely good. If you want top top top-of-the-line M6, M6 Ultra or whatever
00:32:16
Max, I don't Damn, their price ladder >> is crazy. >> Big boy. >> Can I make a side bet here?
00:32:23
>> All these rumors on this new laptop. >> Okay, >> name seems to be floating M studio.
00:32:30
>> Something like MacBook Ultra. I firmly believe it should be studio. >> MacBook Studio.
00:32:36
>> MacBook Studio. >> You don't think that's too confusing? They already have a Mac Studio.
00:32:40
>> They already have a Well, the the lineup name is already confusing enough that I
00:32:44
think this is fine. You can't do ultra because it can't be >> has chip.
00:32:49
>> Well, if it only has the ultra chip. It would have to because if they absolutely
00:32:52
can do ultra MacBook ultra with M6 Pro would be really confusing. >> Or it could be M5 Ultra.
00:32:59
>> So, that's the first question is are they going to put an ultra chip in a
00:33:02
laptop? That is such a powerful chip and so much GPU. They've never put it in a
00:33:06
laptop before. I don't know if they would. >> They've only done Pro and Max and base.
00:33:12
But if they do and they name the laptop the Ultra, that's a little cr Well, I
00:33:15
guess if they only put the Ultra chip. Yeah, MacBook Ultra, which only has the Ultra chip. That could make sense.
00:33:21
MacBook Pro Max with the Ultra chip and the Pro and Max chips are not in the Pro
00:33:27
Max. 17 in >> 100%. >> See, MacBook Ultra, but doesn't have an ultra chip is
00:33:34
>> doesn't matter. No one cares about the chip if you're just buying a laptop.
00:33:38
buying a $3,800 Mac. >> It's the same way that you're buying like the Apple Watch Ultra. Most people
00:33:44
don't know what chip is inside of it. It's just the Ultra one. That's the one
00:33:46
I get. >> Yes. But in computers, I do think there's some part of you that's like,
00:33:51
why am I getting the MacBook Ultra over the MacBook Pro? >> And it'll be like web.
00:33:56
>> The answer is the screen and the chip. It's going to be the fastest, best
00:34:01
looking screen, >> but it doesn't necessarily mean that it has to have the ultra chip specifically,
00:34:06
just like a super pimped out like regular max chip. >> Two, even in their own naming scheme,
00:34:11
like they just released the like M5 Max Pro. >> Wow. I guess there is the MacBook Pro
00:34:18
though with M5 Pro, >> right? >> And so there is a Pro and a Pro Max.
00:34:22
>> There's a MacBook Pro with a Pro and there's a MacBook Pro with a Max.
00:34:25
>> Neo's looking like the more I look at it. I'm just saying I do think as weird
00:34:30
as their naming is already, I don't think they can get away with naming it MacBook Ultra and not putting the Ultra
00:34:38
chip in it. That's all I'm saying. So, I think they have to name it something
00:34:42
else. And I think Studio is the name. That's That's my >> The weird thing about Studio is that now
00:34:46
they have the Studio Display that's kind of mid >> and it's not like insanely amazing. And
00:34:52
then they have the Studio Display XDR that's really good. >> So, that's kind of weird, right? display
00:34:57
is not mid. >> It's beautiful. >> It's an It's still It's still really
00:35:02
nice. >> I think both can be true. Yeah, both can be true. >> Mine is horribly broken, but
00:35:06
>> No, the new one. >> No, no, no. It's the same as the old one.
00:35:10
>> It's still the studio display. So, that's like the kind of weird thing is
00:35:12
like studio kind of means pro, but there is still the studio and studio pro XDR >> pretty much. But XDR is the name of it.
00:35:19
It's the MacBook XDR, >> but it's already That's possible. But
00:35:23
it's already XDR. >> The MacBook. >> Yeah, but now it's the name. True. Yeah.
00:35:27
Is the OLED one extra XDR? I don't know. >> XXDR. >> The Pro Ultra XDR.
00:35:34
>> I mean, it's not even called a MacBook anymore. >> The special thing about this laptop is
00:35:37
going to be the screen. So, I wouldn't be surprised if the name is something
00:35:40
about >> I just hope it doesn't come out and we look back at this conversation
00:35:43
>> and OLED. >> Yes. >> Right. I think it's supposed to be an
00:35:46
OLED. >> Supposed to be OLED. So, they're going to they're going to
00:35:48
>> That's so weird cuz now they have like mini cuz they have mini LED in the
00:35:52
laptop already >> which looks phenomenal. >> Which looks phenomenal. And then now
00:35:56
they finally put it in the bigger display. >> And it it is easier to make smaller
00:36:01
screens like this. So like they start with like really small and then they slowly go up. But it kind of feels like
00:36:06
now they're like they've got multiple generations of screen technologies and
00:36:10
you have to just you have to just know which one is better. And OLED didn't used to be better until they increased
00:36:16
the brightness and the refresh rate because OLEDs used to be hard to make bright and fast
00:36:21
>> and now you can. Yeah. >> So, it's just >> it is interesting how you just said how
00:36:25
like the new Studio Display XDR matches with a MacBook screen way better now when you're using it in that mode. And
00:36:31
then to then make a the highest level laptop and highest level monitor now would be different screens again.
00:36:37
>> Yeah. >> Which needs >> This is This is Pixel Ultra all over
00:36:40
again. This thing's not coming. >> Would they release the the studio display XDR again, but with OLED later?
00:36:47
>> It's like a weird ladder thing. And maybe they do that on purpose to make
00:36:50
you always buy the new one. >> Yeah. when it comes out. >> Stagger the releases.
00:36:53
>> I guess I'm still confused why the touch screen is going to be in the
00:36:56
>> the like pro pro version of a MacBook. Touch screen feels like more of a like
00:37:01
>> casual feature. >> Casual feature. >> I agree. >> Yeah.
00:37:04
>> Which is why I never wanted it in the first place. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, you two are not allowed to buy
00:37:08
this if it comes out. I'm probably still going to >> I think kind of a sneaky update is the
00:37:14
M5 Air because it's crazy that the Air used to be the computer that people were
00:37:20
like this used to be the Neo where people were like you can't really do like really serious video editing etc
00:37:26
etc on it. But the M5 is like super capable. >> Yes. >> And if you have one of those laptops you
00:37:31
can do pretty crazy video editing. The M5 is probably just as good in many ways as the M1 like like Pro or Max was.
00:37:40
>> Yeah. Yeah. It was it was it's an eye openener like actually using the Neo and
00:37:45
just trying to find the performance ceiling and seeing that it it'll just >> you can just open Final Cut and just
00:37:50
throw a bunch of ProRes videos from your iPhone in there and you are you're doing
00:37:53
it. You're editing 4K video on a MacBook Neo. Like it's happening. So that's
00:37:57
that's already crazy. It's it's benchmarking around M1 levels of performance with this chip. So M5 is is
00:38:05
big multi-threaded jumps, big screen improvement. The GPUs are way better. >> Way more GPU. It's gonna be a better
00:38:11
like it's a really good machine. >> Yeah. So So it's a >> Okay. Wait, I have a question for you
00:38:15
guys. Now that the MacBook Neo is out, >> which one do you recommend >> still? The Neo or the Air?
00:38:22
>> For who? >> For who? Yeah. >> For I don't have to answer that
00:38:25
question. >> Random college student walks up to you. He's like, I'm starting college next
00:38:28
week. Which one? >> For I mean the the new default is Neo. Yeah. >> So, it's like for the 97 90 something%
00:38:34
of people, I'm starting with Neo and then going, "What do you want to do on
00:38:37
this laptop?" And if I hear something that they say that sounds like Neo couldn't handle it, then I'll bump you
00:38:41
up to an Air. >> It used to be Air and then when you hear the thing, you bump them up to a Pro.
00:38:45
Yeah. So, now what is that ladder? >> So, now it's like the Air can do 99% of
00:38:51
what most people need to do on a laptop. And if you're coming to me and asking
00:38:54
what laptop you should get cuz you're not like in the weeds doing the research, that probably means a Neo can
00:38:58
handle everything you're doing. Unless you want a bigger screen. >> Uh the Air has Yeah, you have a 15-inch
00:39:04
Air. If you want a bigger screen, sure. Uh but the second you say something like, I have these these projects that I
00:39:10
I want to do and my current computer's too slow for them, then I'm like, okay,
00:39:13
now you need to figure out if the Neo can handle that or not. Yeah, >> and sometimes it's like a pretty big
00:39:19
Yeah, you know, people are coding with like way heavier LLM stuff and bigger AI projects and they want more local memory
00:39:25
and sometimes they're playing bigger games and sometimes they're doing more
00:39:28
stuff >> then air can probably handle it. And at the very very peak of that is I am doing
00:39:34
professional like projects that I make money from and MacBook Air is the answer.
00:39:39
>> I say this because I still think to me the answer is still MacBook Air. Like I
00:39:43
think the same way that people need to be convin people need to convince me for me to recommend them a pro, I need to be
00:39:48
convinced to recommend you a Neo. >> Why? >> I still think that the Air is just a
00:39:52
safe bet for anyone. If I know nothing about what you're going to do $400. >> It is a safe bet.
00:39:57
>> 500 more. Look at how long you keep M1 for. >> I know. >> It's d It's almost double.
00:40:02
>> Almost double the price. >> Yeah, that's fair. I think the >> anecdotally the the scenario to me is
00:40:08
not so much as that. It's usually the parent of the kid about to leave high school and go to college asking me what
00:40:14
laptop should I get my kid and the two reasons I've convinced them to spend extra money because it's usually the
00:40:19
parents money so they don't want to spend more to go MacBook Air in the past
00:40:23
because if you're already asking me what MacBook or what laptop to buy, you don't
00:40:28
know a lot. So you buying that means you can also bring it to an Apple store when
00:40:32
something happens to it. So now I can recommend a much easier to digest price point for a parent and with the benefit
00:40:40
of like wherever your kid goes to college is probably an Apple store within 40 minutes of them to go fix it.
00:40:45
>> I'll say this really hard not to do it. >> It's that's super valid. I'll also say
00:40:49
without knowing the breakdown of how much each laptop sells. The way I think about it is like if you want the true
00:40:56
safest bet, money, no object, like 14-inch MacBook Pro is is good enough for 99% of people to cover them. If you
00:41:04
want MacBook Air M5, that's going to cover 93% of people and MacBook Neo is going to
00:41:14
cover 85% of people. And so, if I just want to recommend the thing that works for everyone, okay, yeah, MacBook Pro is
00:41:20
going to do it. But you could probably start with the Neo. And then if you're
00:41:22
in the sliver of people who that can't cover, then you bump up. >> Yeah,
00:41:26
>> that's how I think about it. >> Yeah. And it is crazy with that
00:41:28
education discount, too. >> Yeah. >> I still think everybody should probably
00:41:32
get the Touch Bar 512 GB version. That's the other thing. If you need more storage, I mean, this Touch ID touch,
00:41:40
>> bring back that Touch Bar. >> No. Yeah. If you need more storage, this
00:41:43
only comes with 256 and 512. So, I would definitely recommend getting the 512 unless you're apparently like my sister
00:41:49
and do everything on the cloud. My actual thing that I say to people is I go look at how much storage you're using
00:41:54
right now on your current computer. Like four or five years in, how much storage
00:41:58
are you using? Assume that you'll use 50% more and get enough to cover that.
00:42:02
Yeah. >> Cuz you're going to have it for four or five more years. >> Just do that. So I was like literally
00:42:07
was talking to someone the other day who has like 128 gigs used out of their 256.
00:42:11
Like you can get another 256 computer and be fine for the next four or five years.
00:42:15
>> For most people it's like photos and stuff too. >> Yep. Photos and videos. I don't know
00:42:19
about on a laptop, but um yeah, the other thing is that the Touch ID, Touch ID, not Touch Bar, a lot easier to log
00:42:26
into your computer every time you open it by touching it as opposed to typing your password every single time. If you
00:42:31
have an Apple Watch, obviously you can set it up so it automatically unlocks if you have your Apple Watch with you. Um
00:42:36
but it is frustrating to have to type your password every single time. So that is something.
00:42:41
>> There you go. >> But uh yeah, pretty crazy. I think Yeah, we talked about we talked about pretty
00:42:47
much everything, right? You know what else we do every time? >> We do trivia.
00:42:52
>> Um. >> Yeah. I was gonna talk about the M4 iPad Air. There's really nothing to say.
00:42:58
>> You just said everything about >> the iPad Air. It has an M4. >> Yes, indeed. Let's move on.
00:43:04
>> Trivia, dude. All right. So, after the break, we're going to talk potentially. I
00:43:10
thought we were going to talk about it before the break, but >> about the new Honor robot phone, which
00:43:14
they should not be calling a robot phone because there's nothing. >> There's robotics. Have you seen
00:43:19
>> the Verge artic The Verge article basically has the same thought as you?
00:43:23
What's the robot part of this? >> The Verge just jocking my swag. What
00:43:26
else is new? Just kidding. I love those guys. Um, but my question is, amidst all
00:43:32
the robot phone stuff, Honor dropped a press release that I did not see anyone mention in their articles, which is
00:43:40
Honor is partnering with a camera company. >> Yes. >> What camera company?
00:43:47
>> Oh, is it? >> I remember. Can we answer right now? >> No. >> How did I miss this?
00:43:53
>> Um, uh, I do. I do. Oh, I know. I know. I know. >> Well, come >> I remember. I'm going to write down too
00:43:59
much thinking. >> I think I know what it is. >> All right, answers will be at the end
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Welcome back. So, there's a big event last week called Mobile World Congress
00:45:30
MWC. Adam and I have a lot of trauma from that event. Um, basically there's a
00:45:35
lot of stuff that gets launched there. Uh, it kind of has weaned off in previous years, but this year we're
00:45:40
freaking back, baby. There's a lot of weird stuff coming out there. One of those things was the Honor Robot Phone,
00:45:46
which we had. >> Yes. Beep beep boop. We had shown this phone off a number of months ago because
00:45:52
they showed off a little concept. So, we talked about it briefly, but now it's
00:45:56
out in the wild sort of. It's attached to tables. You can't really, you know,
00:45:59
take it around. But effectively, what this is is it's a phone that has a built-in DJI Osmo Pocket in it. It's
00:46:07
like a little gimbal thing that you can, you know, you can like swerve around. >> Unfolds out of the unfolds out of the
00:46:13
phone, which is very crazy. Um, so >> yeah, it's it's weird. They claim that
00:46:19
it's 70% smaller than the competition. Um, we're guessing that the competition
00:46:23
is the Osmo Pocket. >> Yeah, they just said competition. I was like, >> "Yeah,
00:46:28
>> gimbal in a smartphone." What's the competition here? It doesn't look 70%
00:46:32
smaller than an Osmo because an Osmo is really It's definitely smaller than an
00:46:36
Osmo, but an Osmo is small. >> Unless they're talking about like actual
00:46:40
gimbals. Maybe that's the competition. >> I'm not sure. >> I think they're referring to the literal
00:46:44
like gimbal mechanism. >> Yeah. to like fold it into a phone, >> something that's already small. 70%
00:46:50
smaller is not that >> Yeah, true. The way it comes out is the back of the phone has a kind of plateau
00:46:57
and then weirdly enough all the cameras are on the right side of the plateau which we're not used to seeing and then
00:47:02
the left side has a stagger almost like a step because that needs to half of it needs to slide over the right side and
00:47:09
then it flips up on top of the phone. kind of like remember Essential had that like uh 360 cam that connected with pogo
00:47:18
pins on the back and was up on the top like that, but Osmo kind of looks like that Insta 360 webcam that kind of
00:47:25
follows around the link >> kind of follows you around. It's like that. Um yeah, it's strange. They say
00:47:31
it's the smallest four degrees of freedom gimbal in the industry. >> And uh the bump is already pretty big,
00:47:38
but it's it it makes the bump very deep. must be nuts on that phone. >> Yeah.
00:47:44
>> Okay. There's a lot of things that are going to be nuts on this phone. One, the
00:47:47
wobble of putting it on a table. Two, trying to put this in your pocket and not like yank the thing apart. You know
00:47:52
how when you put your phone in your pocket and like the lip of your pocket catches the camera lens? What happens on
00:47:57
this phone? That's another thing. >> I just I I think there's a reason why
00:48:01
they don't let people hold this thing. If you watch all the hands-on videos,
00:48:03
none of them are hands-on. They're just pointing at the phone like on a stick on
00:48:07
a stand in Mobile World Congress. And then also, okay, so I got I got briefed on this phone and I talked to them about
00:48:13
this and they're explaining why it's called the robot phone. Do you guys know
00:48:16
why it's called a robot phone? >> Kind of. It's sort of a robot legs and
00:48:21
walk across the desk. >> It nods at you. That's pretty much it. >> Almost. Uh the the camera itself,
00:48:27
obviously the gimbal will like uh move it out and point around and do all sorts of stuff like that and can follow you,
00:48:32
but also when you're not using it as a camera, it kind of becomes this anthropomorphic face and nods and shakes
00:48:41
its head and responds to your queries with sounds. So you can ask it, "Do you
00:48:46
think my outfit is nice?" And it will nod and go, "Yeah, nice outfit by moving
00:48:50
the gimbal to shake the camera up and down." That's why it's >> I would love if it just judge me by what
00:48:56
I was looking at on my phone and it could like look down at the screen and look back at me and just like shake it.
00:49:02
>> That's the first thought I had is would it ever say no? Like if you go, "Hey
00:49:06
gimbal robot phone, do you like my outfit?" And it looks at you and goes, >> it just folds back up.
00:49:11
>> I don't like it. That would be hilarious. But yeah, apparently uh it'll
00:49:15
yeah respond to your your queries. >> They are apparently also developing an
00:49:19
accessory to clip it to your backpack. So, I think the point of this is that you should be able to use voice commands
00:49:24
to do different actions and it can be kind of this you you clip for your phone to your backpack and then you have like
00:49:30
a POV thing going on on your back or maybe on your >> like the Osmo people like to clip it
00:49:34
onto a backpack. >> Yeah, it this feels like such a 2026 phone launch of hey, we actually put
00:49:41
some crazy hardware on on this prototype phone and let's still tell you about all
00:49:46
the weird AI things it can do instead of that we fit a gimbal inside. No will pay
00:49:50
attention if we don't say AI. So AI AI. >> Yeah, they are using a 200 megapixel
00:49:55
camera, which I assume is primarily used for insane video stabilization. >> Uh because you're not going to use all
00:50:01
200 megapixels. You're going to crop the hell into that thing. >> Um yeah, it's it's weird. Apparently,
00:50:08
it's going to come out. >> That this is my >> allegedly or is it
00:50:12
>> is it is it going to come out in China only for $3,000 in like limited supply
00:50:16
or is it going to like >> come out? probably it okay they suggested a global release in the future
00:50:24
was a possibility but they have no timeline >> this is a long shot but have any of you
00:50:28
played the Star Wars fall in order game Jedi fall in order >> no >> there's a robot the BD1 that it's just a
00:50:35
little camera guy that like hangs around your backpack and shoulder if they can make this that I'm all in just give me
00:50:42
that that little robot with a camera >> I think it just screws your phone up so
00:50:45
it's still way too big And your phone camera bump is like a double plateau essentially on one side.
00:50:52
>> This thing has IP68. >> No shot. >> Do not bring it to the beach.
00:50:57
>> No, it could. It could. It could. I've seen a full shot of water inside of the
00:51:02
empty cavity when it's popped out. >> Yeah, drones are drones are mostly you
00:51:09
can No, you can't. >> It does. It can do one thing where like >> drones you can get you can get them wet
00:51:15
>> a little. Allegedly. Oh, maybe a little >> not like submerge them or anything, but
00:51:19
you can you can >> I don't I can't I don't know that I have anything.
00:51:24
>> That will be a drone that comes out eventually is a drone that can land in
00:51:27
water and then can jet around like a boat. That will happen. If robot vacuums have anything to do with it,
00:51:32
>> see what Google has to say about it. Mavic drones do not have an official IP
00:51:36
rating. I was going to It's funny that this >> light rain Mavic 4D >> people do fly light rain for sure
00:51:44
>> and through like fog which is basically rain. >> Yeah, >> it's a whole another conversation.
00:51:49
>> It is. >> What is rain? >> Dense fog is like >> a cloud actually.
00:51:52
>> Basically a cloud is basically >> See, a cloud is when it condenses enough
00:51:54
to precipitate. >> But the talk about weather. We have to be very careful here.
00:52:00
>> That's my bad. I saw the road that I was going down >> and I decided not to go.
00:52:03
>> You got to It's that meme of the car and burning to the right. Weather apps back
00:52:09
to the podcast. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Um, yes. So, yeah. I don't know. It
00:52:13
could be interesting. Well, we >> we'll see when it comes out. >> We'll see when it comes out.
00:52:17
>> Now, we have to talk about the thing that we glazed over a little bit last
00:52:21
week. We briefly mentioned it, but we wanted to go a little bit deeper in this. Uh, Meta is allegedly sending your
00:52:28
video feed from your Meta AI Rayban glasses to an analysis facility in Kenya. And uh people are being do not do that.
00:52:37
People are being forced to watch videos that they shouldn't be watching. Lots of
00:52:42
intimate scenes, lots of people using the bathroom. Um very weird >> banking details.
00:52:47
>> Banking details. And you know, I just think we probably shouldn't have cameras
00:52:52
strapped to our faces all the time, but maybe that's just me. And um Meta is the
00:52:56
one that a few weeks ago had that leaked internal memo where they were like there's a lot of bad going on in
00:53:02
the world right now which means it's perfect time to launch these AI features
00:53:06
that people do not want. >> So So I didn't read this article uh but I do have questions if you guys have.
00:53:13
>> I guess my first question is when you said v like feed camera feed do you mean
00:53:17
like not live feed but stuff you take pictures of or stuff you ask AI about? What is what is involved? There's a long
00:53:24
article, one we'll post it in the show notes because everyone should read it.
00:53:28
Um, it's a Swedish newspaper that did this investigation. From what I remember
00:53:31
and from what I wrote down, it seems like it's the majority of the time they're seeing it is when you're
00:53:37
activating AI features and not even always just like the AI features of like use the context of the camera, but
00:53:44
essentially you ask it an AI question, it isn't showing the recording thing because of you're not just doing the
00:53:50
video recording and people don't know how long it's continuing to use the
00:53:54
context of video and audio. And so what it's do, the reason it's getting sent to
00:53:59
this company called Sama Sama SA, they're located in um Kenya is they're
00:54:06
people there in an office who are using that feed to help label different things
00:54:10
to help teach Meta AI. They're data annotators. Yeah, they're circling objects so you can tell the street sign
00:54:17
so you can tell a car, so you can tell a person. And it's just helping build
00:54:21
that. issue is is these people are saying the stuff they're seeing is like >> banking details on cards. They're seeing
00:54:28
private conversations that could be about all sorts of different stuff, legal andor illegal. They're seeing one
00:54:34
example was somebody asked a question and then put their glasses down on the nightstand and then their wife walked
00:54:39
out of the bathroom naked. and they're seeing all these different, you know,
00:54:43
sexual intercourse, people going to the bathroom, people in changing rooms, all these different extremely private things
00:54:51
are being sent to this facility in Kenya where data annotators can then see all these really private.
00:54:57
>> My next my next question was going to be like why is the data getting sent back?
00:55:01
So, it's not just like oh this is some like mischievous thing that they're
00:55:05
doing. that specifically they've decided to use humans to help correct or maybe
00:55:12
point out things to the AI to train it to make it better. >> Yeah. Very poorly uh compensated humans
00:55:19
because there's a lot of really there's a ton of also investigations about that
00:55:23
company charging X amount and paying the actual employees fractions of what they're charging. I wouldn't be
00:55:30
surprised if that's >> So that's another thing. the employees aren't allowed like phones and stuff in
00:55:33
the office, but at the same time, like >> I don't care what it is. I just don't
00:55:38
want people seeing potentially stuff like that. Especially when you don't know when it's ever recording this
00:55:44
stuff. >> That's the last question, which is it's not just when you're asking the AI for a
00:55:50
visual match. >> You don't know when that ends after you ask it. >> You don't know when. We did a little
00:55:55
test in the office to see what would trigger various indicator lights on the camera cuz obviously when you say meta
00:56:00
take a picture the ring around the camera lights up. >> Yes. >> If you say so I looked at Mariah and I
00:56:05
said >> what meta sorry I don't want to trigger anyone's thing but
00:56:10
>> there's like a key phrase you >> I don't remember what it is but Mr. AI
00:56:13
bot um what is 6 plus two and the camera light did not come on because that question should not require the camera.
00:56:21
Then I asked it, "What color is the person in front of me's shirt?" And the
00:56:26
light still did not come on. So there's no feedback when the AI there's no
00:56:30
camera feedback to either the user. There's a prompt light, but the prompt light comes on anytime the the thing is
00:56:36
being prompted. So that also So the point is is that like you don't actually
00:56:40
know when the camera is firing. >> Yeah. >> Um like the camera could have been
00:56:45
recording data and sending that to Meta when I asked it what 6 plus 2 is. It wouldn't surprise me because in order
00:56:51
for uh contextaware, you know, AI through the camera to answer you as fast as possible, you
00:56:58
should launch the camera and audio immediately once you trigger the word, right? Or else then you have to wait for
00:57:04
>> it's a different type of well, just from my experience, it's a different type of
00:57:06
prompt. I think you literally say, "Hey, m look and tell me." And when you start
00:57:11
that, then >> even to be have to say, I just had to say, "Hey, m what color is the person's
00:57:16
shirt in front of me?" That that and it gave me the correct answer. So clearly
00:57:19
the camera was turned on and I tested that multiple times to make sure it wasn't a fluke. Like how many people are
00:57:24
in the room? Are the lights on? And I never said look and tell me. It was just like there.
00:57:28
>> Yeah. So a a couple extra things in here is like Meta's attempt at privacy here
00:57:34
is that their own systems are blurring faces before it goes to these data annotators. But they are also saying
00:57:41
that depending on lighting conditions and stuff that those blurs don't work all the time. It's pretty often that
00:57:47
they see people just and their faces and everything like that which maybe they need data annotators to check to work on
00:57:55
their AI to send to other data annotators but um it just this is all really icky. I mean, and in their terms
00:58:03
of service, they're saying this is fine because it says, uh, in some cases, Meta
00:58:06
will review your interactions with AIS, including the content of your conversations with or messages to AI.
00:58:12
And this review can be automated or manual, parenthesis, human. >> So, >> and no one will know when it's human.
00:58:18
>> You don't know when that's you're using the product, but you don't know when.
00:58:20
>> You can't opt out of this either through the AI. There is some other privacy
00:58:24
options you can opt out of through some other stuff on Meta Raybands, but through AI, there's no opt out as far as
00:58:29
I'm concerned. When I'm reading this right now, >> opt out would be smart to add.
00:58:34
>> It would be. Yeah, >> it should be opt in. >> It should be.
00:58:38
>> Yeah. >> I mean, all Samsung, like I just remember reviewing the S26 Ultra, all of
00:58:42
these features of uh like Galaxy AI stuff. They're all on by default and they also will all use the internet by
00:58:50
default. But at the very bottom, there's a little button you can check, which is
00:58:53
do all of this on device, which does limit some of its functionality. But it is an option that you can check, which
00:58:58
is to never have any of this stuff leave your device. Obviously, if you're editing photos or doing any of that
00:59:03
stuff, maybe you want to check that box. So, yeah, I agree that like opting everyone in by default is ridiculous.
00:59:09
>> Well, and it's why they're selling these, right? Because this is all
00:59:12
training meta's AI. >> They want as much data. Yeah, >> they want as much data. You're wearing
00:59:16
it all the time. You're probably accessing the AI stuff. it's just going
00:59:19
to record and now you pay a bunch of people horrible wages to then help it wrongly tell the color of my co-worker's
00:59:26
shirt later. >> And it it's like it's it sort of seems like it's meant to be confusing on
00:59:31
purpose. Like one of the parts of the article was going to Luxica stores, which is the company that makes the like
00:59:37
glasses part of it, and asking a bunch of sales reps about where this data gets stored. And a bunch of them were like,
00:59:43
"No, no, everything happens locally on the glasses." Like, >> they just have no idea.
00:59:47
>> They have no no idea. >> Multiple different answers here. >> No one has any idea, you know, except
00:59:53
except >> Meta. >> Half of Meta might not even know because they don't want them to know. Like
00:59:59
>> this reminds me a lot of the content moderation things that was happening a
01:00:02
couple years ago. Casey Newton had like a big story interviewing people in these
01:00:06
places that are just like looking at videos on social media that >> people terrible videos
01:00:12
>> and it's like they're getting paid pennies to like do this content
01:00:15
moderation stuff. This is like the new like labor of AI. >> Yeah, >> I cannot imagine.
01:00:21
>> Yeah. So, yeah, it says that they are also um all of the chats, all the
01:00:26
transcriptions of the chats are also stored and they have to go through those to see if the AI gave them a a good
01:00:31
answer. And there's a lot of weird conversations that people are having. And it's just it's just a weird privacy
01:00:38
thing because I think that something that we don't acknowledge enough as a society is what is in the terms and
01:00:44
conditions that you just scroll past really quickly and then hit I accept. That stuff used to be like I will not
01:00:50
see the company if my microwave explodes. But now it's like I consent to give up all data that I have ever used
01:00:56
on this product and the company can use it for whatever they want and blah blah blah.
01:01:02
>> And yeah, you're you're the product if uh the the service is free. And right
01:01:06
now the AI service is the free thing and the the glasses are what you're paying
01:01:10
for. >> And this is extra freaky because remember this is the same product that
01:01:13
those Harvard researchers made the like look what we can do automatic face ID. Oh yeah thing built in for students. I
01:01:21
no no no no no I know well student whatever you know like this is like how easy would it be for someone to get
01:01:29
these look I don't know I'm I'm spiraling this like this is bad you know
01:01:34
this is really bad >> yiky at the best level and extremely concerning depending how much you trust
01:01:38
meta you should just if you have these glasses read this article pretty much >> just in general like if you if you own a
01:01:46
device that has a non webcam camera like I like phones and laptops I think are exempt from this statement. But like if
01:01:54
you own a device with a camera on it, just assume it is always recording and that footage will be stored somewhere
01:02:03
forever and people can look at it like like there's no reason to ever assume
01:02:08
that a device with a camera because you know the article even says like the company the money meta makes on this
01:02:14
training data from you is infinitely more valuable than any than than if they sold glasses to everyone in the
01:02:21
universe, you know, like So, of course they're going to look at it over and over and over and over again. And of
01:02:26
course, they're going to capture as much as they can of your life. Like the stuff
01:02:30
about the glasses sometimes recording for like long periods of time is like why do they do that?
01:02:35
>> It should definitely have the ring going on for anytime that camera is being
01:02:40
accessed and something can be used for sure. It almost >> if you really don't trust Meta, you
01:02:45
could argue that they only put the ring on there for normal recording to then make you not think about when it's
01:02:50
recording later for AI stuff. I don't necessarily think that's true, but I'm
01:02:54
sure they're not trying to >> because it was because of the Google Glass issues of not having any sort of
01:02:59
indicator, >> which was Yeah. >> I I really liked in I don't know if it
01:03:02
was in direct response to this, but around the time this article came out, someone dropped an Android app that
01:03:07
makes your phone scan Bluetooth 24/7 and it can detect whether someone has metaglasses within 50 ft of you and
01:03:16
sends you an alert so you can go find them and >> not not do anything. You can go find
01:03:21
them and say, "Gently, gently take off those glasses, sir or madam." >> Cool. Next thing, another
01:03:30
>> potentially really confusing article, but for the better this time. >> Yeah.
01:03:34
>> Google's 30% tax is changing. >> Awesome. >> Where's this? There's a cool soundboard
01:03:40
there somewhere, right? >> Yeah. >> Whoops. >> Maybe. Um, we've talked multiple times.
01:03:46
Apparently Ellis doesn't remember any of them about >> this was confusing
01:03:51
>> about Epic versus Google. They were also Epic versus Apple. Um essentially suing
01:03:56
these companies because of their monopoly over Play stores and taxes on top of distribution. Yeah. Um, so there
01:04:03
was a settlement or it seems like a settlement was reached in November, but before the final details of that came
01:04:10
out, Google just started making changes and just announced recently that they're
01:04:14
going to change how they're doing their I just keep calling it the Google tax. I
01:04:18
think everyone understands what I'm saying, right? Play store tax. 30% of essentially your revenue if you sell on
01:04:25
the Play Store through pretty much any form >> goes to Google. >> Yeah. Um, I'm going to super TLDDR this
01:04:31
and try and explain a little different afterwards, but it gets really confusing because there's different levels. Most
01:04:36
of the fees seem to be going to 20%. Um, and by the end of the year, they're
01:04:41
going to launch registered app stores, which is a program that you can download third party app stores for people
01:04:47
outside of the US pretty much the same way you would just download stuff in Google Play. So they're not making this
01:04:53
hard sideloading effort of getting like an Epic store or stuff on your phone that's a pain in the neck. You should
01:04:59
just be able to download them no problem which is a huge issue >> outside of the US in in particular
01:05:06
though right >> that's what I read >> because of like European law
01:05:09
>> I guess again >> we don't get any >> Europe gets the cool phones they get the
01:05:15
good consumer rights >> hey they don't get that 20 watt charger in their Neo box
01:05:19
>> that's true >> that's tough >> um so yeah 20% for the most part of
01:05:25
people which is 10% less Um, I'm trying to look into here. I have this chart that even the more I
01:05:34
look at it, the more I'm confused. So, new installs 20%, existing installs 25%.
01:05:41
Non-recurring purchases 20%, they're taking links to downloads, I'm not even
01:05:47
going to attempt to, but so in some subscriptions and microtransactions, there's some other ways that this can be
01:05:53
even lower. Um, and the Google Play billing fee if you're using their billing system, 5%. So, a lot of things
01:06:01
did go down. This is great. Somebody I think Verge wrote this as Tim Sweeney just signed a deal to not be able to
01:06:09
complain about Google for the next 3 years or something like that, which I thought was pretty funny.
01:06:13
>> It's It was till 2032, I think. >> Is it? Yeah. >> Um, roll out for this will be through
01:06:20
the year. It seems like by June 30th, uh, this will affect UK and US. September 30th, Australia, December
01:06:27
31st, Korea and Japan, and then by September 30th, 2027, the rest of the world. >> Um, I'll link the Verge article if
01:06:36
you're a developer and actually need a lot more information on this because there's like 20 different ways that this
01:06:41
could change. The breakdown of this is reminiscent of when the judge said that Apple had to change their fees and then
01:06:47
they did the malicious compliance thing and just made it so insanely confusing and probably worse for most people. Um,
01:06:54
and then the judge came back with the injunction and said there will not be another bite at the apple, which was a
01:06:59
banger. Um, that almost kind of looks like what this is, but I don't think this is necessarily a malicious
01:07:05
compliance thing. It's just Google trying to save their ass because both Google and Apple make a huge amount of
01:07:12
money being the the traffic stop for app stores. Yep. >> Like that is their a huge revenue driver
01:07:18
for them. Apple notably has been like shifting to services over the last few years because they know that they're
01:07:25
probably not going to be able to endlessly make money on the app store anymore. So, uh, yeah, Google is also
01:07:32
going to try to have to fill this gap, but it seems like they came to an agreement that was good enough for
01:07:38
everybody. I'm I'm surprised that Tim Sweeney was still okay with 20% to be
01:07:42
honest. Like, I think that he was pretty hardcore about, you know, absolutely not.
01:07:46
>> I think the biggest thing is that there's a easier way to download third
01:07:50
party stores on your phone, which then obviously you're outside >> store. Yeah. So, good for developers if
01:07:57
you can understand it. Yeah, >> it's crazy that Fortnite's big enough
01:08:01
that he could be like this thing that one of the largest companies in the world is making me mad about, so you
01:08:07
don't get Fortnite and that will make changes in the world. >> I mean, most game stores outside of
01:08:12
Steam only really still exist because that company has like one giant game that everybody plays, you know?
01:08:20
>> That's true. Well, Epic Starts is like getting other big ones to come to Yeah.
01:08:25
Yeah, but Riot has like League of Legends and um I don't even do they even have a store? They don't even have a
01:08:30
store. >> No, it's just a client. >> Ubisoft has a client that is slowly
01:08:34
dying a painful death. Uh but they always have like you know they've got Call of is
01:08:40
>> I've lost track of all. >> I don't even know. But yeah, >> not real gamers here. Sorry.
01:08:43
>> Not real gamers. Yeah, I just played Dota 2. >> Jagex Runescape Old School Runescape and
01:08:48
Runescape 3. >> Is that a separate launcher for that? >> They're just launchers, I don't think.
01:08:52
>> Yeah, I don't know. Big news price increase. Old school Runescape. I know
01:08:55
you're very upset about that, Marquez. >> Yeah. >> $15 a month. Same as WoW.
01:08:59
>> Yeah. >> Worth it. >> Wait. Same as Wow. How much is it? >> 15 a month.
01:09:04
>> What? >> Damn. For old school Ruins game. >> The game is a banger, man. It's been
01:09:09
around for so long. It's still getting awesome updates from that. They released
01:09:14
a whole new skill >> yet. Pokemon Poptopia. >> Popia. Popia. Have you ever had a dream?
01:09:22
It's just Poptopia. Yeah, Popia is is like it's if Animal Crossing and Minecraft like had a baby and then added
01:09:29
Pokemon to it. The dialogue is very funny. Um I bought it and I regret it only because I realized I don't like
01:09:37
games like that. However, um the people are posting screenshots on like all over
01:09:43
social media and is really freaking funny. >> I'm obsessed. >> The AI of the Pokemon the I threw up.
01:09:49
The Pokemon just like talking to each other and like weird going on is is really funny. Kyogre has a southern
01:09:54
accent for some reason. Magic carp says yo a lot. I don't know. >> Oh, this is like Animal Crossing, right?
01:10:01
>> It's Animal Crossing with Pokemon, but everything is block based, so it's kind
01:10:05
of Minecrafty and you can make like minecarts and stuff. So, it's it's literally
01:10:09
>> first person shooter. >> Yeah, with guns. Anyway, um had to drop that. I was funny
01:10:16
the other day. I saw I was like trying it out and then on my Switch I saw like Adam is playing Vakopia and I just
01:10:22
texted him. Yeah, me too. And he said, "Wait, what?" And I was like I was like,
01:10:26
"What are you talking about playing this game?" >> Anyway, that is um
01:10:29
>> So, backyard baseball's coming out in July. >> I just had to get Marquez back into the
01:10:34
conversation here. >> Sorry. I'll get to all that once I'm done powerwashing various things in
01:10:38
Power. >> Powerwash Simulator. >> Yeah. >> So, yeah. Okay. Well, with that, I think
01:10:44
we're going to do uh one more little break. We'll take it back with one more
01:10:47
story that Marquez can rant about for a very long time. But first, >> yeah,
01:10:55
>> trivia, dude. >> Trivia, dude. So, we were talking about the Honor phone,
01:11:00
the little robot boy. Uh, but we compared it. I don't know if this was on camera or off camera. People in the edit
01:11:07
will know. We compared it to Wall-E. >> You're the one in the edit. >> Yeah.
01:11:10
>> Yeah. you >> will later people watching later will know. >> Oh, more so.
01:11:16
>> Oh, okay. >> Yeah, cuz I don't know if I'm keeping it. But anyway,
01:11:19
>> we spoke about it and compared it to Wall-E. >> Yeah. >> What does Wall-E stand for?
01:11:24
>> Wow. >> One point per correct letter. >> Like politically. >> Politically.
01:11:29
>> What does he stand for? >> Capitalism. >> Yeah. >> Returning to nature.
01:11:33
>> I should have just wrote that in Second Amendment. Joke. >> Wall-E stands for I didn't even know
01:11:38
Wall-E was an acronym. Wow. Well, I'll be guessing. Uh, and we'll learn something around here.
01:11:45
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That's shopify.com/wwayform. All right, welcome back. Uh, something really big happened last night. Um, by
01:13:05
the time you listen to this, it was a couple nights ago. We record this on Wednesday. Uh, Tuesday night, a historic
01:13:11
performance happened and I I was talking to you about this a little bit. And David, I
01:13:16
don't know if you've seen this, but I do think this is a great opportunity to
01:13:19
explain something in tech terms here. >> Okay. >> So, >> yeah.
01:13:24
>> What happened last night was Bam Adabio of the Miami Heat, >> his name is Bam.
01:13:29
>> His name is Bam. >> Cool. uh scored the second most points ever by a single player in a single NBA
01:13:36
game. >> Dang. >> By himself, he had 83 points last night. >> That's almost the entire score.
01:13:45
>> Perfect. >> Wow. >> So, >> that's crazy. >> If you watch the game, what happened was
01:13:50
I was I was sitting at the table last night and I I was I opened up YouTube and there was a highlight reel at the
01:13:54
top of my feed that said, "Bam out of bio scores 31 points in the first quarter." And I was like, "What?" So, I
01:14:00
clicked it and I watched it and I was like, "These are unbelievably like he's
01:14:04
just he got super hot." And then I closed the iPad and I walked away and I went out about the rest of my night and
01:14:10
then I got a notification on Slack like an hour later from Alex who said, "Tune
01:14:15
in to Bamabio. He's got 79 now." And so I go on YouTube TV and I'm like, I have
01:14:21
to watch the Heat game. But I don't have the Heat game on YouTube TV. It's just
01:14:24
the Celtics game, Celtics Spurs, which is probably also an interesting game. And then I hover over it and it's
01:14:30
players in red jerseys and I click on it and they have literally left that game to broadcast the last few minutes of Bam
01:14:39
Adabio setting this record. Yeah. All the time. They did this for Kobe's last
01:14:43
game. So yeah, they they had literally left the Celtics broadcast to watch Bam score 83. Yeah.
01:14:48
>> And so I watched the last 2 minutes of that game and it was hilarious to watch because everyone in
01:14:55
the arena knew that they were trying to get the record for BAM. >> Oh. >> And everyone on the other team is
01:15:01
hellbent on making sure Bam doesn't get the record against them cuz that is like
01:15:06
a scar against your franchise. >> Oh. Uh, and so it was it was funny watching him just like catch the ball at
01:15:11
half court, get triple teamed, and then just try so hard to dribble with three people on him and and chuck up a shot
01:15:18
and and get some free throws. >> It wasn't the prettiest 83 points. Okay.
01:15:23
>> And it's also by Bam Adabio, who's probably not the person you would expect
01:15:27
to set the number two. >> Walt >> Bam. >> Wilt Bam Kobe >> Wilts. Thank you.
01:15:35
>> So yeah, Wilt Chamberlain. uh in like the what '7s '60s >> had 100 points in a game. It wasn't even
01:15:43
on camera. There's many recollections of this and and there's a newspaper article
01:15:46
and there's a picture of Wilt with a 100 but no one got to you know nobody alive
01:15:50
today watched that. Right. >> Um but Bam out of bio in modern NBA most who's ever seen.
01:15:55
>> So in tech terms trying to figure out how to explain how anomalous this was.
01:16:00
>> So what do you have to explain the type of player Bam is? >> Yes. how many points that is in a game
01:16:07
and how hard that is to do. >> And I guess I guess that's pretty much the only two things you really need to
01:16:13
>> and how uh reasonably likely it will be to ever happen again. >> Mhm.
01:16:18
>> Oh, >> and the conclusion I came to was, and this is shout out to Adam for helping me
01:16:23
figure this one out, uh this would be like if we turned around and said, "Ellis, what's your iPhone's battery
01:16:29
percentage right now?" And you still had the 12 mini. And Ellis goes, "This is
01:16:34
actually day four of me using the iPhone 12 mini." We're like, "What do you mean
01:16:40
it's day four?" And he goes, "Yeah, I've got 12% left, but this is my 70th hour
01:16:46
of using this phone." And we're like, "How how is that even possible, Ellis?"
01:16:50
And he's like, "Well, I woke up on the first day and I used my phone for a
01:16:53
little bit and then I put it in airplane mode and I didn't really use it after
01:16:59
that." >> Uhhuh. So the first half a day was legit and then the second three days were just
01:17:04
him going, I want to just see how far I can make it at the expense of my own sanity and like daily quality of life,
01:17:12
but I just want to see how long it'll go. And now there's a benchmark result
01:17:15
saying that the iPhone 12 mini has the longest battery life of any phone in recorded history.
01:17:21
>> And we're like, that seems a little bit crazy. What's the asterisk? And then you
01:17:25
go, oh, it's because he was >> So what's the asterisk for the basketball game? The asterisk for the
01:17:29
basketball guy is I watch that first quarter highlights and then I watch the fourth quarter. The first quarter
01:17:33
highlights are like, "Oh my god, he's balling out." And the other team's like,
01:17:36
"Yeah, he is balling out, but you know what can you do? You know, our two best
01:17:40
defenders are sitting." And then you watch the fourth quarter and it's like
01:17:45
everyone knows to stop him from getting the ball, but he gets the ball anyway and he dribbles to half court and just
01:17:50
chucks up a shot and he gets fouled and he gets two free throws. >> Oh. >> And he attempted 43 free throws.
01:17:59
which is the new most free throws ever attempted in an NBA game in order to achieve that. He went seven for 22 from
01:18:06
three. He shot less than 50% for the game. >> He still got 83 by himself, which is
01:18:11
ridiculous. The next highest player on his team got what, 12 or something? 18. But uh
01:18:17
>> So did he just intentionally get himself fouled a ton of times? >> Yes. In the last quarter? Yes. And it
01:18:22
was tough. It wasn't like bad to watch because it was still entertaining as hell to watch this guy who everyone
01:18:27
knows has a chance at the highest number to go try to get it. But now we know what it looks like when a player
01:18:33
actually tries. Even though they're up by 20, even though he didn't have to
01:18:37
stay in the game, the coach was like, "You know what? Go get your 80." And he
01:18:40
did it. And now we got to see what it looks like. And there's a not not like
01:18:44
an asterisk, but like now >> was the team intentionally giving him the ball a bunch to try to let him do
01:18:49
this? So, by the time he had 60some after the end of the third quarter, everyone was trying to get him the ball
01:18:53
every time. >> Okay. Okay. >> There's a really great video by I've
01:18:57
brought up Jimmy High Roller on this channel before. Uh he does like basketball analysis videos for fun.
01:19:02
Literally last week he just did a video on will we ever see an NBA player get a 100red again.
01:19:06
>> Oh, >> and it's funny because if you go back and watch that video, he's like Wilt
01:19:10
Chamberlain, say what you want about it, had the perfect set of of circumstances
01:19:14
to get a 100. He was a dominant player. There was no answer for him by the other
01:19:18
team. He also played every minute of every game for the entire season, which will never happen again. Oh,
01:19:23
>> and if you are going off at a rate of 25 points per quarter, usually your team's
01:19:28
crushing the other team and you just sit for the last quarter because you're up
01:19:31
by too much. You don't have to play anyway. So, you need it to be a close game for you to stay in the game long
01:19:36
enough >> to actually keep putting up points. >> Yeah. >> So, we're, you know, Luca Donuch had 73,
01:19:42
Joel Embiid had 70, Devin Booker had 70. We've had 70s. >> How many of those are Knicks players?
01:19:47
>> Yeah. None of them are next players. You know, it's not impossible. It might
01:19:50
happen. Didn't Cat Cat had 60some, but as a Timberwolf. >> Yeah, as a Timberwolf.
01:19:55
>> So, yeah, it's it's really hard to get those perfect sets of circumstances to
01:20:00
ever happen again. And we just got a glimpse at like what if they just leave him in? And it's like just I want to
01:20:06
show you later the highlights of the last quarter where he dribbles to half court and three people sprint at him and
01:20:12
he just throws the ball up and gets fouled. Then he gets two more free throws. >> What made it foul him? because they like
01:20:17
>> cuz they were like you you have 65 points. You are not scoring again. You
01:20:22
are not scoring again. And the entire team's game plan is to force you to pass
01:20:25
it to someone else. So we're going to triple team you at half court to make you to pass to someone else. And instead
01:20:29
of passing it, he shoots it. >> Okay. >> And he gets fouled. >> And he got 83.
01:20:34
>> What was the final score? >> Final score was 150 to 129. >> That's a crazy not.
01:20:39
>> That's a crazy high score. >> It is. The the other asterisk is that
01:20:44
the Miami Heat are a real basketball team. >> Yeah. >> The team they were the team they were
01:20:50
playing is the Washington Wizards who the man the coaching like staff purposefully made the team as bad as
01:20:58
they could be so they could lose as many games as possible. >> Why? >> Because the more they lose this season,
01:21:04
>> the better they get picks next season. >> Yes. And the hope being that so
01:21:07
literally the two best players on the Washington Wizards, Trey Young and Anthony
01:21:12
>> Oh my god. Anthony >> Edwards Davis. That Wow. Okay, that was crazy. Um
01:21:20
>> the two best players on the Washington Wizards, Anthony Davis, Trey Young, are
01:21:25
not playing basketball right now. Allegedly, they're like injured. >> Oh.
01:21:30
>> But they're like not. >> Do they get in trouble for doing stuff
01:21:33
like this? another team got in trouble and it was supposed to like you know set the record straight. But yeah, so that's
01:21:38
the other reason it's like they're not playing like a team that is like trying
01:21:41
to win a basketball game, >> but they were still triple teaming him to try to stop him.
01:21:45
>> That was that was because at the end they were like we don't want to be the
01:21:47
people that that lost like this but like >> so they were fine to lose. They just
01:21:51
didn't want to lose like >> they didn't want to be in the record. The players do not want to lose, right?
01:21:56
The players are always going to go out there and do their best. So, the coaching staff responded by only putting
01:22:01
the worst possible players on the court. >> That sounds like a uh sounds like a
01:22:06
movie where the the the coaches are trying to get them to lose, but they end up coming back through the finals.
01:22:11
>> It happens sometimes and it's really hard. >> It does happen sometimes.
01:22:13
>> Sometimes two tanking teams play each other and they're both trying to lose,
01:22:17
but the players want to win, but the teams have to lose. >> Actually, Marquez, it's even worse.
01:22:21
Sometimes a tanking team plays the Philadelphia 76ers. >> Wait, I have three questions.
01:22:28
>> Yes. This one I should know. >> Points in basketball are only baskets,
01:22:32
right? Assists don't count for points. That's a separate stat. Yes. Cool. Easy
01:22:35
one. Second question >> was >> I have it up. How many assists do you
01:22:39
think Bam Abio had that night? >> Meaning he passed the ball. >> You're still too high.
01:22:45
>> He had three. >> Damn. >> Wow. >> Um, who was the home team?
01:22:51
>> Miami. >> Okay. In Miami. This is cool when it happens at an away team and the away
01:22:56
crowd just gives up on trying to win and starts cheering for people on the other
01:22:59
team. So that would have been cool. >> Savage. >> Third question, and this is an opinion
01:23:03
for you guys, but went really good the last time we talked about basketball is Bam as a player compare him to a phone.
01:23:10
>> First of all, I just want to say Bam is an Olympic gold medalist. Like he's
01:23:13
really good at basketball. >> Samsung Flip has a gold medal, too. But >> he's an all-star. But in terms of like
01:23:17
who you would expect to set this record, it's not who you would expect. >> So I wanted cuz we did um
01:23:23
>> CJ >> CJ McCollum. >> He was the CMF phone 3. Grover loved that. So if Grover's listening uh who is
01:23:32
BAM as a phone, >> that's a good question. So if you're we have to set like what we expect from the
01:23:37
phone. If you're expecting what is the highest benchmark score from a phone,
01:23:42
then that would be like >> you just pulled off a flip or >> I was just going to say Pixel if you're
01:23:46
going by. >> The Pixel is fine. It's not bad. It's like one of the top five brands or
01:23:51
whatever, but it would be like a Pixel setting a alltime highest benchmark score.
01:23:55
>> It' be like a Pixel 10 having 256 base storage. >> Yeah, like a tensor chip.
01:24:01
>> It would be like >> So he's a Pixel base Pixel 10. >> It's a tensor chip specifically setting
01:24:05
a high benchmark score. >> Okay. Okay. >> You know, or like >> it's a good phone and you would expect
01:24:10
it to do well, but you wouldn't expect it to do this. >> Better than MediaTek,
01:24:15
>> Yeah. It's not It's one of the better ones, >> but Wow. >> It's like good enough that it's kind of
01:24:19
boring. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> So, he's boring. Is he short?
01:24:23
>> No, he's a he's an allstar. He's just not like a His previous career high
01:24:27
before this was less than half of 83. It was 41, which is pretty good. A lot of NBA players are all star and can get 41.
01:24:36
A lot of players average 30. Nobody gets 83. >> What makes you an all-star?
01:24:40
>> An all-star means you are one of the best, you know, seven play I guess it's
01:24:44
like 14 best 14 players voted in. >> You get votes >> for that year.
01:24:48
>> For that year. Yeah. So, yeah, he's a great player, but >> nobody thought Fun fact that Ellis found
01:24:54
out that you know where Bam is from. >> New Jersey. Oh, nice. >> Yeah.
01:24:57
>> Is he really? >> Yeah. >> And Bam Marger is from Pennsylvania.
01:25:01
>> I don't know who that is. >> You don't know who that is? Bam. Who?
01:25:04
You know, >> I've never >> Do you know Jackass? The old show on TV
01:25:09
>> of that? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But I know about the famous guys
01:25:12
from that. >> He's the most famous from that. Him and Johnny Knox are got his own TV show on MTV that lasted
01:25:22
like quite a few seasons. >> How have I never heard of this? >> Um, and his brother is in the band CKY.
01:25:27
>> I feel like if I show you a picture of him, you'd be like, "Oh, I've seen him."
01:25:29
>> Wait, sorry. Bam. >> The reason I probably have brain damage is because of Bam's search engine
01:25:35
optimization is cooked now that >> Yeah, Mar just fell off. >> Mar, >> well, he fell off.
01:25:42
>> Never seen this guy. >> Skateboarder. He's like the best skater in the jackass
01:25:48
crew. Yeah. Okay, never mind. I guess I've seen a lot of Steo. >> I just want to say 14-year-old me is so
01:25:52
hype right now. We just covered basketball, phones, banan margera. Like that kid is living.
01:25:58
>> Yeah, it was a good time. Anyway, I hope now David, you uh you you can appreciate
01:26:03
the insanity of what happened yesterday. >> That's crazy. >> Are you going to go watch the replay of
01:26:06
the game? >> Uh I might watch the highlights. >> I want to show you the last 3 minutes
01:26:11
without like a highlight cut just so you can appreciate just so you can see what
01:26:15
it looks like when everyone in the building is like, "Do not let that man score." And he's like, "I'm a scorer."
01:26:21
It's so funny. So good. Just got to say when when Adam and I walked in and saw
01:26:26
that Marquez was watching the somehow already uploaded RDC World One. >> That's what I was going to say. Yeah.
01:26:32
>> Mark Phillips. >> Thank you. Thank you for for commentating every great basketball
01:26:37
moment. This is As soon as something happens in the NBA, I'm like, what did he say?
01:26:41
>> Last question. How many points would he have had if he had 100% free throw
01:26:45
percentage? >> It was like over He had like 43 attempts. >> Seven. I can answer that. Yeah. Seven.
01:26:51
So he would have hit >> 90 would have had 90. >> I think all basketball players should
01:26:55
have 100% free throw percentage. >> Okay, bro. >> That's a I like that.
01:26:59
>> That's my non basketball take. >> I like that take. It's called a free
01:27:03
throw. It should be free points. >> But you'd be surprised how bad some of
01:27:07
them are at free throws. >> I am surprised. >> Yeah. >> At all of them.
01:27:11
>> All >> What's your hockey comparison? >> All All hockey players should make I
01:27:15
guess there's no like penalty shots in hockey. >> No, there are. But it's against a
01:27:19
goalie. So, a a basket is bigger than a I mean, a goal is bigger than a basket. >> Yeah, but a goalie.
01:27:26
>> The puck is smaller. Airgo, they should make everyone. >> That'd be like if the free throw had a
01:27:31
one-on-one defending. >> It's not like It's not like a giant volume knob comes up and blocks the
01:27:35
entire goal. Okay. It's It's >> the Subaru UI would be a great goalie.
01:27:40
>> Oh my. >> That's how you round this podcast out. So, that's how we end right there. I
01:27:46
like your 38 notches, but just remove the numbers, please. And also make it smaller.
01:27:51
>> Incredible. >> Yeah. >> All right. >> Somehow Subaru was the biggest bad guy
01:27:54
in this entire podcast. >> Boooo. Well, Meta was competitive. >> No. Yeah. Meta. Meta's the biggest.
01:28:01
>> Meta was good. >> It was close though. >> I know what I said.
01:28:04
>> It was close. >> Meta, I know you're spying on millions of people without their consent, but my
01:28:08
Subaru volume now. >> 3 seconds. >> Okay. I need a marker. >> Why? For what?
01:28:13
>> Cuz it's trivia time. Yeah, baby. >> Oh, other little last thing. Um, and I
01:28:19
guess we probably should have said this when the podcast when we started, this episode's going to be dropping while
01:28:24
we're we're live uh at South by Southwest. >> Oh my god, we forgot to mention it
01:28:29
again. >> Yeah. So, >> well, it doesn't matter because >> if you're listening to this podcast,
01:28:33
we're already on stage or on stage or we're leaving the stage. >> But what if you already have South by
01:28:38
Southwest tickets and you just don't Oh, right. Watch this. >> Yes. If you're not, by the time this
01:28:43
comes out, we will be on stage. >> If you are watching us outside South by
01:28:47
Southwest and watching this episode at the same time, I salute you. >> Then I need you to yell iceberg lettuce
01:28:52
right now. I need you to scream iceberg lettuce. >> It will be part of I think Keith Lee is
01:28:57
after us. And if they stay around for that, this is well over an hour long. So if you made it this far,
01:29:03
>> we're not on stage anymore. >> They fast forwarded. >> Okay. Trivia. Whoa.
01:29:10
>> I don't remember the question. show you my board. >> I remember the question,
01:29:13
>> dude. I knew what it was. >> What was the camera company that um >> Yeah. Who's partnering with Honor
01:29:18
>> on the robot phone camera? >> I almost said that and then the the
01:29:20
answer be funny. >> What's on the honor? >> Your honor. >> Your honor.
01:29:25
>> Your honor. >> I remember being in the briefing and hearing that and being like another
01:29:30
legacy down the drain. The the camera companies going with the phone companies is is the the new the car companies
01:29:37
>> first Leica and Hasselblad. >> Yeah. Used to be McLaren and Porsche.
01:29:42
Porsche, however you say. >> Now, >> Dragon Ball Z. >> Flip them.
01:29:48
>> Everyone got it right. The answer is Ari. >> I knew it first, by the way.
01:29:55
>> I'm sure you did. We're all very proud of >> Panasonic had an REI luck collaboration.
01:29:59
>> After that correct answer, the score. Marquez with 17, Andrew with 19, David
01:30:05
with 21. Oh, I can drink. Nice. But don't >> as you sip your >> That is alcoholic
01:30:12
>> piss colored lemon. >> The honor robot phone. >> We've compared it to Wall-E. But what
01:30:18
does Wall-E stand for? That is the question. One point per correct word. >> Wow. I'm going to get really far behind
01:30:26
now. >> Uh maybe, maybe not. What a lovable little Ellis. >> Wow, that was good.
01:30:34
>> How long have you been holding that in? >> Just now. Oh, it just came to me. Oo,
01:30:37
off the top. Thank you. Amazing. >> I'm really good at acronyms. >> Why are Legos like eggs?
01:30:48
>> They hurt to step on. >> I don't know. >> Nice. All right. Superman Reed, what do
01:30:53
you got? >> All right. Who wants to go first? >> All right. >> I wrote walking.
01:31:03
>> I guess it doesn't walk. I was going to say you you contradict yourself in your
01:31:08
>> I know >> walking autonomous. Wow. Lovable legless. >> E. >> Nice.
01:31:18
>> No points for David. Andrew, what' you say? >> I wrote we all enjoy. But we w a l e
01:31:28
enjoy. >> Clever. But no, >> that's clever. Glad nobody's getting
01:31:31
points. I wrote what and lovable little engineer. >> But is it and is the and right?
01:31:38
>> It is not right. >> Damn. I hedged my bet there. >> The correct answer is waste allocation
01:31:42
load lifter. Earth class. >> Earth class. >> It's in the movie. Wait.
01:31:46
>> Yeah, I know. But I haven't seen >> child earth class. >> Well, it's earth dash class.
01:31:51
>> It's like earth. >> We just get to >> make words one word by putting a dash.
01:31:56
>> I was going to give it to you if you said earth. You could have just said
01:31:58
earth and I would have >> I do remember that he was a trash compactor. So, waste allocating.
01:32:04
>> Waste allocation. Load lifter. >> Load lifter. >> Earth class. Next time you guys are at
01:32:09
bar trivia, you're going to kill this. >> What was the other one? Eva. Is that a
01:32:14
>> Is she Is that also a >> also one? I forgot what it is though. >> I'm going to find out right now cuz it's
01:32:19
going to bother me. >> Wally kind of talks like um like ET. >> Eve is extraterrestrial vegetation
01:32:26
evaluator. >> There it is. Oh. >> Oh, yeah. because she finds the little
01:32:30
flower, right? >> I thought she found apple. >> Sorry, spoilers. >> Vegetation
01:32:36
>> for the Bible >> of some kind. >> Molly is Microsoft and Eve is Apple.
01:32:41
>> Nice. >> Cuz she's all she's all like smooth and curved and he's all like blocky.
01:32:46
>> Too late. I have already depicted you as the frumpy Wall-E robot and myself as
01:32:50
the sleek Ebot. >> Anyway, that's that's been it for this week. >> We obviously went full circle. I if any
01:32:58
NBA players are listening to this, please try to beat 83 against tanking teams all year. It's going to be so fun
01:33:03
to watch. >> And come on the podcast. >> And also, yeah, come on the podcast.
01:33:06
>> Let's talk ball. >> If if you break the record, you can come on the podcast.
01:33:09
>> No, you can come on the podcast either way. >> You want Bam to come on the podcast?
01:33:12
>> Sure. >> I would love that. >> What about what if we had Bam and the
01:33:15
guy that they traded that everyone's like, whoa, >> do it. >> There's an asterisk that we do not we do
01:33:22
not have a green room here at Waveform Studios. We This studio could probably barely hold someone who's over 6'5.
01:33:28
>> True. >> It's tight, >> dude. I'm right here. I'm doing fine.
01:33:30
>> Yeah, I'm the shortest one on this freaking podcast. >> David's 67.
01:33:34
>> I'm 67. >> No. No. See, I knew they were going to. All right. Thanks. Thanks for watching.
01:33:39
Thanks for uh joining us maybe at the live show at South by Southwest. If not, we'll see you back for our regularly
01:33:44
scheduled programming. See you later. Peace. >> Waveform is produced by Adam Molina and
01:33:49
Elsen. We're partner of Vox Media Podcast Network and Entertreated by Vain Still.
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I can't find an uncut fourth quarter. It's all like cut highlight reels.