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>> Is this Wow.
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>> Yeah,
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>> I'm a heat wizard in WoW.
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>> Yo, what is up people of the internet?
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Welcome back to another episode of the
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Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm
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Marquez.
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>> I'm Andrew. And
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>> I'm David. In
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>> this episode, we've got, let's see, fast
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food chains using AI. Cool. Uh, we've
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got a robot phone that maybe exists, but
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maybe not. Cool. Uh, we've got Rayban
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Metag Glasses. If you're using them,
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then maybe you shouldn't.
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>> Cool. Uh, and Google is changing their
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30% tax.
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>> Cool. Pretty cool.
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>> Oh, and uh,
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>> a 30% tax on like developers.
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>> Yeah, same as Apple.
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>> Yeah,
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>> it was the same as Apple. Why was
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everyone so mad at Apple?
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>> 45 stories. I thought the whole thing
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was that everyone was like, "No,
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Google's one is is cheaper and fine, but
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Apple's is a problem."
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>> No, Google Apple both got sued for the
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same things and Google lost an Apple
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one.
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>> I thought Google sued what?
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>> Apple lost some parts of it, but Google
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lost more.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Yeah. Damn.
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>> They don't have the same reputation.
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That is that is facts.
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>> Yeah. Yeah.
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>> Well, that's because Google had a chain
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of emails saying how Anyway, continue.
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Make sure you delete these
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And then some basketball stuff at the
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end.
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>> Oh yeah.
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>> Oh yeah.
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>> Oh yeah.
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>> Cool.
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>> All right. But first, did they even test
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this?
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>> Okay.
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>> I have a really quick, really stupid
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one,
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>> but it drives me insane every day. It
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drives me insane every day.
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>> Sorry.
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>> No, I mean, no, it's fine. Yeah, it's
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>> um your thing.
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>> My Forester,
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>> the volume UI
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is horrible. It's the worst thing ever.
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I'll be really fast on this.
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>> Go on. Cuz a lot of cars have
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>> surprisingly bad volume UI. You change
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the volume, takes up the entire screen,
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no matter what's on the screen. Google
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Maps. Have you ever like been needing to
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take a turn, so you turn the volume down
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just to make sure it's easier to take a
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turn? I don't know why that makes sense.
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>> Yeah, for sure.
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>> Well, if you do that too close to your
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turn on my car, I've lost Google Maps
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now for like 5 seconds. It's I have a
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photo of
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>> Oh my god,
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>> the full screen takeover.
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>> It's a full screen takeover. It is like
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kind of transparent for probably a
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couple seconds.
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>> Feel like liquid glass.
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>> It's not like liquid liquid glass. Um,
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>> that is actually This is me changing the
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volume on my
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>> That is crazy.
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>> Andrew. Andrew. And Andrew. And Andrew,
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let me tell you why you're wrong. Okay.
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Cuz it's a volume knob, right? Volume.
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>> Oh, that's the next part of my
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>> When your hand is on the knob,
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>> you can't see the knob.
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>> So, how do you know what volume the
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volume's set at?
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>> But you need it full screen.
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>> No, you don't.
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>> Yeah, you do. That's what I'm saying.
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>> No, everyone else, your hand is covering
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it.
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>> On the screen, it should be a little bar
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on the side that goes up and down with a
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number next to it and not take up the
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entire screen because I need the I need
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the volume quiet when I'm making my
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turn.
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>> Yeah.
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>> And now I've lost being able to see
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that. The other problem is it's a full
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circle.
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>> Wait, wait, real quick. Brits, stop
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commenting right now.
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>> No, keep commenting. This is all for
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engagement. Subscribe. Um, the circle,
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it's a full circle. The number it goes
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to is 38.
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>> No.
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>> Why?
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>> 38. Okay, that's actually worse. That is
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actually worse.
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>> Part of me is like that's not that bad
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cuz you never go max volume, right? But
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that means the direct middle of the
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circle is at 19,
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>> which is infuriating.
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>> Okay. I thought you when I heard that it
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was the volume in your car, I was like
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whatever. A lot of cars have weird
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volume. I think the the one I showed uh
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I forgot what car it was where you do a
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gesture in front of the screen. You
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twist your finger like this and it turns
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the volume up. I thought that was going
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to be the dumbest one I've ever seen,
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but this is worse. This is actually
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worse. That's crazy.
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>> So annoying. So yeah. So constantly 19,
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I'm like, "No, I need to go to 20." And
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now it's like one tick over the perfect
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half circle,
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>> which then I have to stare at for 5
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seconds while I miss my turn. So
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>> that's a deal breaker, honestly. In a
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car, that's a deal. And
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>> I think if the Fisker had that, I'd be
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like, "That's a little much." Imagine
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doing the whole thing with the
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saleserson at the Subaru dealership and
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like man this car good price drives
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great four-wheel drive everything smooth
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ride everything is great let me just
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check check how the sounds and you spin
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it you're like oh my god and just walk
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out the door and leave it behind now I
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remember when I was a kid and my I would
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be playing music in the car and my mom
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would turn the music down because she
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would get stressed about like what exit
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to take and I'd be like mom why are you
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doing that and now I totally do that all
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the time but it would be so much worse
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if You're trying to figure out what exit
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to take and the entire screen just
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disappeared
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>> for several seconds.
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>> Then you have to decide between turning
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the volume down so you can actually
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focus or being able to know where you're
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supposed to go.
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>> If you can you like tap it to make it go
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away or something
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>> every time.
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>> That is crazy, dude.
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>> That's the worst one yet. I
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>> That is really bad.
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>> That's so crazy.
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>> That is I think Adam has a quick update
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on his
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>> Yeah, quick update on the one that I
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said I don't remember when it was time.
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Is the
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>> WhatsApp one. The WhatsApp one. Oh.
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>> Uh, so now I am on a different phone and
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the problem is gone.
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>> Oh,
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>> so it is just a pixel problem.
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>> I think it's just a pixel problem.
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>> # pixel problem.
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>> Pixel #team pixel
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>> problem
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from Google
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>> for the gift from Google.
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>> What phone are you on now? Uh, with your
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weekly swapping
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>> the S26 Ultra now. It came in. Yeah.
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>> What color?
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>> Black.
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>> Nice.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Correct. Also, a lot of people were
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telling him this was like some feature
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where you cuz if you like lift it up to
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listen to a voice. But no, you're
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talking about when you had your
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Bluetooth headphones connected.
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>> Yeah. When I have headphones connect
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your Yeah.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Yeah.
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>> That wrong.
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>> Yeah. Cuz proximity sensor makes sense
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if you're like about to take a phone
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call and then it switches to the
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earpiece. Whatever. But like I'm wearing
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headphones.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Why does the proximity sensor even
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turned on?
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>> Maybe like the Pixel like tap to the
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flip to hush thing could be like going
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off or something.
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>> Maybe. I don't know. I don't have to
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deal with it anymore. So, someone else
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figure it out.
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>> It's the best way to fix it.
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>> Do you trade in your Pixel for the S26
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Ultra?
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>> Uh, not yet, but I'm probably going to.
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>> Yeah.
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>> How many total tradeins do you have, do
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you think? Lifetime.
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>> I honestly couldn't give you a number.
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>> Insane amount.
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>> Adam's basically the guy who like leases
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a car every year.
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>> More than every year.
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>> Does it like every 3 months?
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>> Listen, there aren't a lot of things
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that I splurge on, but the phone is the
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one.
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>> It's fair.
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>> Adam's been doing this for like the last
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seven years. I remember Adam and I going
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to the Galaxy S20 Ultra briefing and we
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leave that briefing. He's like, "I'm
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getting this phone."
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>> I was like, "Adam,
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>> this phone wasn't even here and another
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phone came in that's still under
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embargo." And he went, "Should I even
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open this phone?" and almost returned
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it.
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>> Big returner.
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>> Oh boy. Okay. According to Car and
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Driver,
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>> at some point, Stellantis, who does not
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own Subaru, did an internal study where
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they determined that 38 was the perfect
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number of volume steps for a car. What
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>> because you could still hear the
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difference between each step.
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>> That is not,
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>> but it did not feel like too few like it
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was the perfect level of fine and coarse
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adjustment. In theory, it makes sense
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because according to this, you get two
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decel increments which give you about 64
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dB of dynamic range, which is what most
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people functionally consider silence to
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loud.
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>> So, that's kind of interesting.
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>> However, Subaru is not owned by
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Stalantis, so I don't know what that has
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to do with this.
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>> I have so many rebuttals to that it's
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silly and I won't even bother going.
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>> The biggest rebuttal is that the
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greatest audio engine of all time, the
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one baked into all Apple products, has
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16 volume steps. And no one has ever
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been like, "My iPhone doesn't have
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enough granularity to the volume."
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>> Yeah. But there's also not a number
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attached to it. Like they could just
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take away the number and just show the
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wheel and it would be better.
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>> That Yes. But would you
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>> Yeah. No. No. Or or scar.
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>> Actually, that would solve a ton.
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>> Why do we care about numbers?
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>> It's a valid point.
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>> Numbers make me mad. Music make me
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happy. Actually, that is You know what's
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funny? That's true. A lot of cars, they
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will have like a a set of numbers.
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They'll have a set of numbers for the
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volume and I'll and and a lot of people
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are like this. They'll they'll go to
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like 21 volume and that's uncomfortable.
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So, let's go to 20 or let's go to 22 or
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25 or certain numbers are okay and
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others even though it's the correct
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volume. In my car specifically, 14 is
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the perfect volume, but I hate that. So,
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I always go to 15 or 12, which makes me
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mad. But the cars that I review that
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>> okay, but 14's
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14 is weird. I can't do a 14.
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>> Zeros and fives are ideal. Z and are 12.
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>> 12 is fine. 11 is not. It just is what
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it is. Don't worry about it.
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>> I review cars that don't have number
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attached to volume and I'm so much
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happier because I'm not thinking about
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the number. I just set it to exactly
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what I want and that's perfect.
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>> Cuz I'm not even going to get into this
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weird number bias you have. That's I did
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not a doctor needs to get into 14 is a
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great number. It's divisible by seven.
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>> That's it.
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>> And two.
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>> And two. Well, that's it.
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>> 12 is divisible. 14 in one.
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>> Did I ever tell you when Sorry,
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>> I was going to say this is exactly like
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the headphone thing that happened last
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week cuz in my head I'm like I could
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never use a device that doesn't give me
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a number with the volume
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>> cuz like in the audio room for example,
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it's like I know when I'm at like I
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think uh 42 is the number I like on my
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>> Well, that's the answer to everything.
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>> I know if it's at 42 and my reader is
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giving me like 78 or 82 dB in the room,
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it's the right volume. Like I can
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correlate all the need to match things.
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>> But when I'm in the car, I don't need to
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think about matching. I don't need to
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listen to the music at the same volume
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that I did last time.
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>> I do.
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>> I just need it to sound.
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>> That's my numbers thing. Like there's
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there's a right volume.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Yeah. It's I don't know. And then
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there's like YouTube volume and system
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volume. I have this problem on my I have
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a Nebula projector and for some reason
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the projector has volume and the Google
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the Google TV dongle that is part of the
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projector also has separate volume
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>> and randomly the system will just decide
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that I want to use one or the other.
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>> Yeah.
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>> And so sometimes it'll be maxed out and
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the projector maxes out at 25.
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>> I don't know why it's 25.
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>> I'm fine with 25.
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>> Well then you said even numbers are your
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thing. Well, no. I guess if I'm only
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thinking of 25 cuz then the halfway mark
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of that
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>> is not
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>> Yeah.
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>> No, that's 12.5.
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>> But one time I was on the Google TV
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thing and I had the volume maxed and it
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was still really quiet and I was super
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confused and I was going through
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everything and I had to change the HDMI
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to my Nintendo Switch 2 and then it
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raised the volume of the system
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>> because you can't change the volume of
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the system while you're in the Google TV
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volume. That's only the Google TV
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volume.
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>> Yeah,
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>> it's a whole thing. This is this is the
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thing with a lot of like pairing your
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phone to your car. A lot of them
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automatically max out the phone's volume
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so that you just adjust the car volume.
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>> That makes sense. If it did that
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automatically,
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>> but some don't match the volume. So,
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I'll get in with my car volume high but
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phone volume low and I'll turn the phone
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volume up and suddenly it's way too
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loud. I have to turn the car volume
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down. It's weird.
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>> Oh my gosh.
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>> Yeah, we've talked a lot about volume.
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>> It's, you know, this is one of those
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things that we could probably do half an
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hour on it at least.
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>> Wait, wait, we have another one.
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>> Yeah, we started arguing about something
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else now. In a set of 25, the median
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would be 13. But in a set of 24, the
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median would be 12.5.
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>> It's not quite 13.
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>> The median
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>> is a set of just the numbers. Yeah.
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>> That's the mean.
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>> No, the mean is the is the average. I'm
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talking about the number like dead set
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in the middle of 25 would be
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>> Well, that's if you start at one.
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>> Yeah. No, I'm talking about if you have
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if you got a volume knob, right, that
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has 25 steps. 13 would be the one in the
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middle because you'd have 12 on either
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side. You'd have 1 through 12. Then
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>> you'd have zero as well. Yeah. Yeah.
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Zero. 03 would be the sign.
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>> This is what I what I remember when it
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tells you what's the halfway like what's
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halfway between.
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>> I brought this section into the pod to
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be short. We're probably 20 minutes in.
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>> We got to talk about burger AI. Yeah, we
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got to we got to move on.
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>> When I was in like third grade, there
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were we were learning halves and I had
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my hand up and I was like half of five
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is obviously three because it's my
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middle finger and no one could convince
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me otherwise. And I just sat there like
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I I feel like the teacher is lying to me
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because of not doing zero. It's the
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median of of a set of files. You were
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actually doing advanced mathematics.
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>> Yeah. Well, and then I stopped right
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there.
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>> You got to slice. You got to slice your
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finger in half.
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>> Oh, please don't say that.
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>> Okay.
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>> Okay. Cool.
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>> So, more importantly,
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>> Burger King, I'm sure you're all dying
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to hear about this.
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>> How important is this? Let's see.
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>> It will be very fast. I want to get your
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opinions on it.
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>> It'll be very fast. Andrew paragraphs
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about it.
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>> That's what I always do. Um, I heard
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about this from a podcast called Eaters
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Digest, which if you're into food or
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food content, highly recommend. But
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>> is that like Readers Digest for old
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people?
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>> This is like This is like that, but it's
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a podcast for food for young people.
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>> Oh, Marquez.
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>> Cool. Or maybe millennials. Definitely
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millennials.
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>> They call it Digest. Yeah, they should
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just call it that.
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>> That's a good point.
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>> Yeah, remove the eaters digestive
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cleaner.
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>> But okay, so there's a new AI at Burger
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King stores, and I will go over the pros
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and the cons of this. There's only
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>> You're almost right. The pro is the AI's
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name is Patty, which is really funny.
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>> The only pro.
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>> That's the only pro of this.
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>> That's good.
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>> The con is that it is a voice enabled
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chatbot that lives inside the employees
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headsets that helps them with food
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preparation and checking their
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interactions to determine the all the
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employees quote friendliness.
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>> We live in home.
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>> So essentially this is piloting in 500
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different Burger Kings. Um, Patty has
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been trained through information
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compiled by BK franchises and guests on
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how to me measure the friendliness by
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using phrases like, "Welcome to Burger
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King, please and thank you." By
00:13:36
monitoring the headsets, Patty can um,
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Burger King managers and franchise
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owners can then access Patty to see how
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friendly their employees at their
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locations are being. Sounds absolutely
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miserable.
00:13:49
>> Sounds like a hellcape.
00:13:50
>> Yeah, total hellcape.
00:13:51
>> These people have never watched Office
00:13:52
Space.
00:13:53
>> I can't. That's that's the part in no
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officers with Jennifer Anderson with her
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with her all her little pieces of flare.
00:14:01
>> Yeah, this
00:14:02
>> it's literally that
00:14:04
>> except worse cuz they're always watching
00:14:06
you.
00:14:06
>> It also my favorite part of this was
00:14:08
they're working on it to um try and
00:14:11
recognize tone because I can just
00:14:13
imagine people being saying thank you
00:14:15
and please extremely sarcastically and
00:14:17
being rude and their friendliness thing
00:14:19
still going up. But this just sounds uh
00:14:22
like the worst thing ever. Why are we
00:14:25
This makes it feel like, hey, managers
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and owners do less work and now the
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people who are getting paid the lowest
00:14:31
amounts at these and make the franchises
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run. We're going to monitor you 24/7.
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So, I hope you're not talking about
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anything private there cuz who knows
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where that's going to go.
00:14:39
>> This just reminds me that like my friend
00:14:40
has a coffee shop and he got a low
00:14:43
rating on Google Maps and the rating
00:14:44
just it was like one star and it was
00:14:46
like barista said, "What do you want
00:14:48
today?" And I felt that that wasn't
00:14:49
friendly enough and I was like, "Are you
00:14:51
kidding?" should have said, "What the do
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you want today?"
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>> That's my thing, though, is
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>> people feel so entitled going to fast
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food already.
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>> Yeah.
00:15:00
>> With like the workers that if someone's
00:15:01
rude, they're probably going to leave a
00:15:02
crappy review. We don't need to listen
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to them 24/7 and have AI follow.
00:15:07
>> And every Burger King already has a 1.4
00:15:09
star. I
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>> So, who cares?
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>> I love Burger King. Like, I love the
00:15:13
Whopper. But even I can concede when I'm
00:15:15
at a Burger King when I'm at a Burger
00:15:18
King, neither of us want to be there.
00:15:20
Neither employee. So, I'm not expecting
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you to go up over It's fine, dude. Just
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be rude. Give me my burger and we'll
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both go home at some point. Like, that's
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cool.
00:15:29
>> You tell me to f off and just get
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everything right on the burger. Probably
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through the crappy point of sales
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system, and I'm happy. I don't care.
00:15:38
>> It sounded like you said that's half of
00:15:39
what it was doing. The monitoring
00:15:40
employees part is ridiculous, but the
00:15:42
first half you said it was like helping
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them. ask it like what ingredients might
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need to be or like how many pieces of
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bacon, which could be helpful because of
00:15:50
how often, you know, we do limited time
00:15:52
offers and stuff like that, but it'd
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probably be easier to just ask the
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employer standing next to that knows how
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to do it already.
00:15:57
>> Sounds like there's a picture there's a
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there's a there's a picture on the wall
00:16:01
by the station.
00:16:02
>> It'll remind you to put glue on the
00:16:04
pizza.
00:16:04
>> That sounds like the AI that Marquez
00:16:06
installed at all of our desks to track
00:16:08
us.
00:16:08
>> No one knows about that.
00:16:09
>> You made a good point. One of the big AI
00:16:11
gaffs last year was it not knowing how
00:16:13
to make food. Yes.
00:16:15
>> Yeah. Yeah. It was like, "Oh, my my uh
00:16:18
my cheese is not sticking to the pizza.
00:16:19
What do I do?" And it was like, "Use
00:16:20
Elmer's glue."
00:16:21
>> That's probably not It's probably not
00:16:23
trained on Reddit. It's probably trained
00:16:24
on, you know, recipes.
00:16:25
>> It's trained on Reddit. Oh, god. But
00:16:26
also, it's not. It's not.
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>> I know. I'm just kidding.
00:16:29
>> There is one thing that I thought did
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maybe sound a little helpful, which is
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apparently in the headset you can say
00:16:34
that you're out of an item and it should
00:16:36
be able to update the drive-through
00:16:37
menu, all the kiosks, all the point of
00:16:39
sale systems. So that could be really
00:16:41
helpful unless you go and ask one of
00:16:43
your employees, hey are we out of bacon?
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And it I guess accident I don't know how
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it works but I could see that being like
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that will happen there. Dude, the amount
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of times working at a restaurant where
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the kitchen hasn't told the servers yet
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that like something is out and it hasn't
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updated the systems yet and then a bunch
00:17:02
of orders come in and you're out of it
00:17:03
and then you have to go back to the
00:17:04
table and explain to them it's out.
00:17:06
Sucks. So that would be kind of nice.
00:17:07
But other than that, this sounds awful.
00:17:09
Um, fast food workers have it hard
00:17:11
enough. Let them, you know, maybe chat
00:17:13
about their lives without worrying that
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everything is recorded.
00:17:16
>> Dude, that's horrible.
00:17:16
>> What if they're just super rude and then
00:17:18
at the end they go, "Thank you. Thank
00:17:19
you. Thank you. Thank you. Have a good
00:17:20
day. Have a good day. Have a good day."
00:17:21
>> It's like Rocket League in my eyes. Like
00:17:24
the rocket league to cut down on
00:17:26
toxicity, they made all the quick chats
00:17:28
and that is still the most toxic thing
00:17:30
possible. When you like miss a goal,
00:17:31
it's like nice sick nice kick. What a
00:17:33
shot. What a shot.
00:17:35
>> Great save. And it's just like ultra
00:17:36
sarcastic. That's how this feels like.
00:17:38
>> I play the Pokemon trading card game
00:17:39
Pocket on my phone. And um
00:17:41
>> No, no, no. You are addicted to the
00:17:43
Pokemon trading card.
00:17:44
>> That's the one thing that I have, Adam.
00:17:46
Please let me have it. Okay. I start
00:17:48
something, I stick with it for my life.
00:17:50
Okay. Anyway, there's like they Nintendo
00:17:53
really did not want people to be able to
00:17:54
be toxic to each other. They really
00:17:56
didn't. So, you cannot te you cannot
00:17:58
message each other in any way. So, even
00:18:00
if you're trading somebody, you can't
00:18:02
say like, "Oh, I don't want this or I
00:18:04
want this." It's like you can label
00:18:06
things that are start. Anyway, the whole
00:18:08
thing people have still found a way by
00:18:10
basically you battle somebody and if you
00:18:12
beat them some sometimes they'll like
00:18:14
initiate a trade with you and just trade
00:18:17
you like the most basic card ever and
00:18:20
then say thanks. And that's just like
00:18:22
the way that people are toxic.
00:18:24
>> Toxicity always finds a way. It's crazy.
00:18:26
>> They're like cockroaches.
00:18:28
>> Yeah. Yeah. Anyway,
00:18:29
>> yeah, this is this is hell. I I think
00:18:32
that the the only way that a lot of
00:18:33
employees of a lot of jobs get through
00:18:35
the day is by having camaraderie with
00:18:37
their colleagues and ju just knowing
00:18:40
that even though it's like an AI model,
00:18:42
just knowing that there is something
00:18:44
that is always listening to what comes
00:18:45
out of my mouth while I'm at work is
00:18:47
freaking terrifying.
00:18:49
>> And the only reason this exists is
00:18:51
because Burger King was like, "We got to
00:18:53
get our stock up and AI is the only way
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to do this."
00:18:55
>> We got to tell our investors that we're
00:18:57
making the company better and using AI
00:18:59
to do it.
00:18:59
>> Leveraging AI. This is the thing they
00:19:01
thought of.
00:19:02
>> Burger King is not the fast food place
00:19:03
where people are mean to you. That's
00:19:04
Popeye's.
00:19:06
>> And frankly, I wouldn't want that to
00:19:07
change.
00:19:08
>> I know. They're pretty mean at the uh
00:19:09
the KFC Taco Bell combo near me.
00:19:12
>> Yeah. But that's okay. They're allowed
00:19:14
to be.
00:19:14
>> Yeah, they have. I don't care.
00:19:16
>> I really don't care.
00:19:17
>> I do remember. Well, yeah, the kiosks
00:19:19
are nice, but sometimes you go in I
00:19:20
remember I walked in. I don't know if it
00:19:22
was a Burger King, so I shouldn't say
00:19:23
it's Burger King, but I remember walking
00:19:24
to fast food on a late night road trip
00:19:25
and the employee just goes, "What? That
00:19:28
That was Burger King. Probably it was
00:19:30
either McDonald's or Burger King. And I
00:19:32
was like,
00:19:32
>> "Nice. Nice."
00:19:34
>> Yeah. Yeah. Incredible.
00:19:36
>> All right. We are now 20some minutes in
00:19:39
>> volume and Burger AI,
00:19:42
>> right?
00:19:42
>> I don't know.
00:19:43
>> Well, I've talked about everything I
00:19:44
know this episode.
00:19:46
>> Cool. I think next we're going to go
00:19:48
down the Apple new devices tier list
00:19:50
because all of the reviews are out.
00:19:51
Well, not all the reviews. There's a
00:19:53
there's a number of reviews out now. All
00:19:55
of the products embargos have lifted.
00:19:57
You can find reviews online everywhere.
00:19:59
Uh we put a couple out. We're still
00:20:00
working on a couple, but I think that
00:20:02
we're going to go through all seven of
00:20:04
them and we're going to rank them from
00:20:06
best to worst.
00:20:07
>> So, I had a question about that.
00:20:08
>> Yeah. When you say rank them, cuz
00:20:09
there's seven here. Yeah. I'll just go
00:20:11
through the seven just real quick. iPad
00:20:13
Air got the M4 chip, iPhone 17e, Studio
00:20:16
Display, Studio Display XDR, M5 MacBook
00:20:20
Air, M5 Pro and M5 Max, MacBook Pros,
00:20:23
and MacBook Neo.
00:20:24
>> Yeah. Now, when you say rank them, are
00:20:26
we ranking them based on how good of an
00:20:28
update they are? Are we ranking them
00:20:29
based on just how good they are, period?
00:20:32
>> I would just say like
00:20:33
>> excitement of the launch.
00:20:35
>> Excitement of the launch.
00:20:36
>> Yeah. Okay, I can do that.
00:20:37
>> Like people being stoked for this
00:20:39
product to come out and exist.
00:20:40
>> Oh, I can do that right now.
00:20:41
>> Or even you being stoked for this
00:20:43
product.
00:20:43
>> Oh, that's different.
00:20:45
>> People care more about your I care more
00:20:47
about your thoughts.
00:20:48
>> I think Marquez's number one's probably
00:20:50
I'm going to guess the Studio Play XDR.
00:20:52
>> I'm interested to hear what Marquez is.
00:20:53
iPhone 17e.
00:20:55
>> I can do both. I can do both my
00:20:57
excitement
00:20:57
>> air M4.
00:20:58
>> And I've seen a lot of of commentary
00:21:00
online on these. So I can do both my
00:21:02
excitement level and the general
00:21:04
public's excitement level for these.
00:21:06
>> Yeah, for sure.
00:21:06
>> Which you want to do first?
00:21:08
>> Um
00:21:10
first. That's two things David and I
00:21:12
didn't discuss and said at the same
00:21:13
time, by the way.
00:21:14
>> All right.
00:21:14
>> We're just on the same page.
00:21:15
>> You finished each other's
00:21:16
>> sandwiches. Thank you
00:21:18
>> from
00:21:18
>> He finished it for me
00:21:20
>> from top to bottom.
00:21:22
>> All right. So, my personal excitement
00:21:23
level number one is the Studio Display
00:21:25
XDR. And it's because I am personally
00:21:28
using the product right now that this
00:21:30
replaces. And that's the only it's the
00:21:32
only thing well other than the MacBook
00:21:34
Pro that's true about this list. Um, I
00:21:38
kind of like the Pro Display XDR. It
00:21:40
looks really good. It's also only 60 Hz.
00:21:44
And
00:21:44
>> no, the the XDR is 120, right?
00:21:46
>> The one I'm using now. Sorry. The
00:21:47
Proisplay XDR.
00:21:49
>> Oh, the Pro. Yeah, the one I'm using
00:21:50
now, which is discontinued officially,
00:21:53
uh, which I bought like seven, eight,
00:21:55
however many years ago it came out.
00:21:56
>> Uh, looks really good. The nanoexture is
00:21:58
amazing. Uh, it's got these thinner
00:22:00
bezels. I don't need a web camera
00:22:02
speakers in it. It's a great display,
00:22:03
but it's only 60 Hz.
00:22:05
>> And so, this new display comes out and
00:22:07
it is better in every single way on
00:22:09
paper other than being smaller. So, it's
00:22:12
a 5K 27in display instead of a 6K 32-in
00:22:15
display. That being said, it's better in
00:22:19
every single
00:22:20
>> and it's cheaper by like $2,000.
00:22:21
>> It is cheaper
00:22:22
>> and it comes with a stand.
00:22:23
>> So, that's what I was most excited about
00:22:25
and I'm thinking I'm going to be
00:22:28
switching slash upgrading to these. How
00:22:30
do you feel about the size?
00:22:31
>> That's what I'm the most wondering like
00:22:33
that's what especially double that's a
00:22:35
big difference in screen real estate.
00:22:37
>> I have a pretty set way that I use my
00:22:39
dual displays now. I'm a dual display
00:22:40
guy. I always have my primary which is
00:22:42
mostly my web browser, email, and
00:22:44
whatever I'm working on. And then on the
00:22:46
right, I have a bunch of other things
00:22:47
like Slack and my to-do list and
00:22:48
calendar and a bunch of other stuff that
00:22:49
sits over there.
00:22:50
>> Wow. Good to know we're not your
00:22:51
priority.
00:22:52
>> Well, when Slack notifications come in,
00:22:54
I'm on top of it. It's always open.
00:22:55
Anyway, I I think I can work with
00:22:58
slightly less real estate because of the
00:23:00
way I manage what I'm doing. I don't
00:23:02
need the I wish it I wish it was a 32-in
00:23:05
display. That would be I'd be happier.
00:23:07
Uh but I I will still have enough. So,
00:23:09
that's my number one as a Studio XDR.
00:23:11
Right underneath that is MacBook Neo. I
00:23:12
was fascinated by it. Curious to test
00:23:14
it. You can see on the podcast video
00:23:15
users are aware that it's been in front
00:23:17
of me this whole time. Uh underneath
00:23:20
that is M5 Pro and Max MacBook Pros
00:23:23
>> are made for each other.
00:23:24
>> More piss.
00:23:25
>> They seem to have uh a surprising
00:23:28
performance bump in a couple interesting
00:23:30
ways. Storage read write speeds are
00:23:32
insane. I read the Veres review and they
00:23:34
said they were getting like 18,000
00:23:36
megabytes per second reads and writes. I
00:23:37
was like
00:23:38
>> wait 18,000 or 1800?
00:23:39
>> 18,000?
00:23:40
>> 18,000.
00:23:41
>> Yeah, I was getting 1,500. Yeah, 1,500
00:23:44
on the Neo and I was getting like 3,000
00:23:45
on my MacBook Pro and 18,000's crazy.
00:23:49
So, as someone who works with Big Files,
00:23:50
I was curious about that. Then I'd go
00:23:52
down to the last four are kind of tied
00:23:55
for me, I guess. Um, do I like any one
00:23:59
of them more? Let's go
00:24:02
M5.
00:24:03
>> Should I just make this?
00:24:04
>> Yeah, the rest is just they're all tied.
00:24:05
>> No, man.
00:24:06
>> I think 17e is over the like studio
00:24:09
display is just
00:24:10
>> my personal excitement.
00:24:11
>> Same thing. I mean, I'm excited to
00:24:13
review it, but like
00:24:15
>> it's it's what it should have been.
00:24:17
>> That's true. I agree. I mean, as far as
00:24:20
how good of a product it is, I agree.
00:24:21
So, I Yeah, you could go 17e, then
00:24:24
MacBook Air, then then iPad Air with M4
00:24:27
and Studio Display last.
00:24:28
>> Yeah.
00:24:29
>> Yeah.
00:24:30
>> Now, general excitement from the public
00:24:32
is MacBook Neo number one by far,
00:24:35
>> which is why they saved it for the last
00:24:36
day. And I think this is probably true
00:24:38
about uh cheap devices in general, which
00:24:41
is why, weirdly enough, iPhone 17e is
00:24:44
probably number two as far as volume of
00:24:46
chatter that I've seen about this.
00:24:48
>> Number three is people talking about the
00:24:51
studio displays a lot.
00:24:53
>> Um, not necessarily because they're
00:24:54
excited to buy them, but because of how
00:24:56
big of a difference there is between the
00:24:58
interest of Studio Display XDR and
00:25:00
regular Studio Display. A lot of people
00:25:01
are disappointed with the regular Studio
00:25:03
Display cuz it's still a 60 Hz panel.
00:25:05
Well, it's still they didn't really
00:25:06
change much. They updated the speakers
00:25:08
and Thunderbolt 5 on the back and that's
00:25:10
kind of it
00:25:10
>> the cameras
00:25:11
>> and it's still 1,600 bucks and 60 Hz.
00:25:13
So, the Studio Display XDR is the
00:25:15
interesting one, but it's 3,200 or
00:25:18
$3,300. So, it's not like people are
00:25:20
going out and buying this a lot, but
00:25:22
they're interested in it because it's
00:25:23
the new one or different one.
00:25:26
>> The biggest thing that kind of sucks
00:25:27
about it going to 27 in is for people
00:25:28
who just want to use one monitor. I
00:25:30
guess like two monitors it feels really
00:25:32
big, but like 32 inches on one monitor I
00:25:35
have so much screen real estate to do
00:25:37
separate things and now 27 is
00:25:38
>> quite a bit smaller.
00:25:39
>> Yeah,
00:25:40
>> it is. Yeah. And the bezels are a little
00:25:42
thicker and it's Yeah. It's just a
00:25:44
little bit less room.
00:25:45
>> And a lot of people spending that price
00:25:47
probably only want to buy one monitor.
00:25:49
>> Yeah. When you're spending that much
00:25:50
money, you want the best possible
00:25:51
monitor. But I said it in my review of
00:25:52
the XDR, it's like there are no other 27
00:25:55
in 5K 2000nit miniLEDD 120 Hz options.
00:26:00
>> That's like the this guy scored four
00:26:01
goals on a Thursday in March kind of
00:26:03
stuff.
00:26:04
>> But all of the things are really great
00:26:06
like what you want like scored four
00:26:08
goals and
00:26:09
>> Thursday games I usually lose and
00:26:11
>> Yeah. Like and won the game and had a
00:26:14
cool haircut and like had a sweet
00:26:16
jersey, whatever. Like it's a bunch of
00:26:18
cool things all in one that you can't
00:26:19
really find anywhere else. So that's I
00:26:21
think uh number three. Uh and then it
00:26:25
kind of tapers off maybe h
00:26:29
>> probably MacBook Pro over Air just
00:26:30
because like people half the people who
00:26:32
really liked Air liked it because it was
00:26:34
the cheapest thing. Now Neo's there. So
00:26:35
MacBook Pros are like maybe you were the
00:26:37
person who's waited a few generations to
00:26:39
get the new one and you're looking for
00:26:40
it.
00:26:40
>> True. There's a ton of people on M1
00:26:43
generation MacBooks right now and every
00:26:46
time a new generation comes out, they
00:26:49
all look around and go, "Is it now worth
00:26:51
an upgrade?" Cuz the M1 is so much
00:26:53
better than what whatever they had
00:26:54
before, and it was a huge leap. So,
00:26:55
they've had M1 through the last 6 years
00:26:57
of Apple Silicon. And now M5, they're
00:26:59
finally looking around like, "Is now the
00:27:01
time I should upgrade?"
00:27:03
>> And it's it's closing in on maybe it's
00:27:05
finally worth jumping. It's still
00:27:08
expensive, but like M5 Air is 1,100
00:27:11
bucks now. If you have an M1 Air, should
00:27:14
you go to an M5 Air? You still kind of
00:27:16
don't have to,
00:27:18
>> but it's starting to get there.
00:27:19
>> I think M2, M3 really did not sell very
00:27:21
well because everyone bought the M1 and
00:27:23
M1 Max being like, I don't have to ever
00:27:25
forget this for like seven to 10 years.
00:27:27
Yeah. Like that was the whole thing.
00:27:28
Like I I blew like five grand on an M1
00:27:31
16inch MacBook Pro with 4 TB of storage
00:27:34
cuz I was like,
00:27:35
>> still kicking.
00:27:36
>> It's still kicking.
00:27:36
>> Yeah. And I remember you stressed about
00:27:37
it at that time, but look at how long
00:27:38
it's lasted you.
00:27:39
>> I know. Exactly. Yeah. I think with the
00:27:41
M5 MacBook Pros, the new Fusion
00:27:42
architecture is kind of a big deal. You
00:27:44
can move data way faster. Uh the G
00:27:46
there's more GPUs. It's kind of turning
00:27:48
into like a serious serious workhorse.
00:27:51
And I know that it's not upgradeable in
00:27:53
any given way, but um yeah, I think
00:27:55
people are finally starting to feel like
00:27:57
maybe it's worth upgrading, especially
00:27:59
those people that are doing like coding
00:28:01
and AI tasks where they just want to
00:28:02
have that stuff accelerated. This stuff
00:28:04
is very, very good at that. Now,
00:28:06
obviously, we have the rumor that the M6
00:28:09
Pro and M6 Max are coming out later this
00:28:11
year, like in November.
00:28:13
>> Awkward. So, you know who's in an
00:28:14
interesting spot right now?
00:28:15
>> Mariah,
00:28:16
>> I was going to bring it up.
00:28:17
>> Who edits here, as you guys probably
00:28:18
know. Uh, her editing machine is an M1
00:28:23
Max MacBook Pro and it's just like
00:28:26
yours. It's been cooking. You know, it's
00:28:27
been very capable and it's gotten the
00:28:29
job done, and plenty of edits have
00:28:30
happened on that computer. But like I
00:28:32
said, it's getting up to the time where
00:28:33
it's like, wow, okay, 12 to 25% every
00:28:36
year, now it's stacking up.
00:28:38
>> M5, maybe maybe M5 is the chance to to
00:28:42
upgrade and actually feel that
00:28:43
difference. But now that there's that
00:28:45
crazy MacBook Ultra rumor on the
00:28:47
horizon, it's like, well, maybe that's
00:28:49
the one to wait for instead. And I don't
00:28:52
know if that's going to be an M5 Max or
00:28:53
an M6 Max or if they'll even get to M6
00:28:56
by then, or if it's just the OLED that
00:28:57
we want it for. Either way, for people
00:28:59
who are like maxing out a laptop as
00:29:02
their main machine, maxing uh then
00:29:06
that's that's the carrot at the end of
00:29:08
the stick right now.
00:29:09
>> Mariah specifically wants a touchcreen.
00:29:11
>> Oh, does she actually really
00:29:14
Mariah was all in on updating and then
00:29:16
Al was like, "No, no, no, don't do it."
00:29:17
G just said that like the M6 Ultra is
00:29:20
coming out later. I was like, "Oh my
00:29:21
god, Mariah's going to retire and still
00:29:23
have that M1."
00:29:24
>> I mean, isn't she still running a Pixel
00:29:25
6?
00:29:26
>> Yes. Yeah, but the like getting work
00:29:28
done machine.
00:29:29
>> No, I know. But
00:29:30
>> like the gains from M1 Max to M5 Max
00:29:34
will be pretty good for sure.
00:29:36
>> I just I wonder if she doesn't need the
00:29:37
touchcreen necessarily and then doesn't
00:29:39
need the the notch to be gone and have
00:29:41
it be replaced with a potentially Touch
00:29:43
ID like uh it's going to be a dynamic
00:29:45
island.
00:29:47
>> I don't know if it matters for her that
00:29:49
much, especially if the gains I we don't
00:29:51
even know if it will actually be M6 Pro
00:29:54
and Max.
00:29:56
how much better than M5 Pro and Max
00:30:03
and these different things and like
00:30:04
maybe some AI workload things if they
00:30:06
ever release Apple intelligence stuff
00:30:08
like that. Um yeah, it is an awkward
00:30:11
thing especially when it's like we're
00:30:12
not even we're like nine months away
00:30:14
from this potential launch. Nine or 10
00:30:16
months away.
00:30:17
>> Potential launch. Big word there too.
00:30:19
>> Big word and it could get pushed.
00:30:20
There's all the you know there's the
00:30:22
Rams shortage. There's all that stuff.
00:30:23
This is a whole another angle to all of
00:30:26
this is that Apple was able to reduce
00:30:28
the price of most of their devices amid
00:30:32
the global RAM shortage, which is
00:30:34
insane. Like every other computer, every
00:30:36
other phone is going up in price. And
00:30:39
Apple is like, "Here's a $600 laptop.
00:30:42
>> Here's we're going to reduce the price
00:30:44
of the display, which also has, by the
00:30:47
way, the display has an A19 in it. So it
00:30:49
has 16 gigs of RAM,
00:30:50
>> more than the Neo. The display has
00:30:53
sorry. Yeah. 12 12 12 gigs RAM. It has
00:30:54
more RAM than the Neo.
00:30:56
>> Yeah.
00:30:56
>> Which is wild. As it should.
00:31:00
>> I don't I guess it's cheaper. It is very
00:31:02
different. But but then the Air did go
00:31:05
up 100 bucks, right?
00:31:06
>> Well, they just they got rid of the base
00:31:09
model.
00:31:10
>> So, it's actually it's $100 cheaper.
00:31:13
>> There is no base model. And it's $100
00:31:15
cheaper than the second model up from
00:31:17
last year.
00:31:17
>> It's the weird version of a price
00:31:19
>> technically. So, it's like, yeah, it's
00:31:20
it's a price. Their margin is better on
00:31:23
the base one now because storage doesn't
00:31:25
cost them much, but they're giving you
00:31:27
more storage
00:31:28
>> for the upgraded price. So, the price of
00:31:30
entry is higher by $100.
00:31:31
>> But you get more storage and it used to
00:31:33
be $200 to get that much more storage
00:31:35
last year.
00:31:35
>> How long do you think they eat the price
00:31:37
until they have to raise it? This is my
00:31:39
question. I don't know how long Tim Cook
00:31:41
makes these deals for like storage and
00:31:43
flash. And I I would guess a year and a
00:31:47
half, maybe two years. So, it's like
00:31:48
very possible that by the end of the
00:31:50
year, this is going to be way more
00:31:52
expensive. I mean, we already knew that
00:31:53
this MacBook Ultra or whatever it is,
00:31:56
>> is supposed to be much more expensive
00:31:58
than this one. And I think that that's
00:32:00
what potentially makes the M5 still
00:32:03
doable for people. And maybe why they're
00:32:05
going to release both in the same year
00:32:07
is that they're priced differently
00:32:08
enough that it's like M5, M5 Max are
00:32:11
still insanely good. If you want top top
00:32:13
top-of-the-line M6, M6 Ultra or whatever
00:32:16
Max, I don't Damn, their price ladder
00:32:18
>> is crazy.
00:32:19
>> Big boy.
00:32:21
>> Can I make a side bet here?
00:32:23
>> All these rumors on this new laptop.
00:32:25
>> Okay,
00:32:26
>> name seems to be floating M studio.
00:32:30
>> Something like MacBook Ultra. I firmly
00:32:32
believe it should be studio.
00:32:35
>> MacBook Studio.
00:32:36
>> MacBook Studio.
00:32:37
>> You don't think that's too confusing?
00:32:38
They already have a Mac Studio.
00:32:40
>> They already have a Well, the the lineup
00:32:43
name is already confusing enough that I
00:32:44
think this is fine. You can't do ultra
00:32:46
because it can't be
00:32:47
>> has chip.
00:32:49
>> Well, if it only has the ultra chip. It
00:32:51
would have to because if they absolutely
00:32:52
can do ultra MacBook ultra with M6 Pro
00:32:56
would be really confusing.
00:32:57
>> Or it could be M5 Ultra.
00:32:59
>> So, that's the first question is are
00:33:00
they going to put an ultra chip in a
00:33:02
laptop? That is such a powerful chip and
00:33:05
so much GPU. They've never put it in a
00:33:06
laptop before. I don't know if they
00:33:08
would.
00:33:09
>> They've only done Pro and Max and base.
00:33:12
But if they do and they name the laptop
00:33:14
the Ultra, that's a little cr Well, I
00:33:15
guess if they only put the Ultra chip.
00:33:17
Yeah, MacBook Ultra, which only has the
00:33:19
Ultra chip. That could make sense.
00:33:21
MacBook Pro Max with the Ultra chip and
00:33:25
the Pro and Max chips are not in the Pro
00:33:27
Max.
00:33:28
17 in
00:33:30
>> 100%.
00:33:30
>> See, MacBook Ultra, but doesn't have an
00:33:33
ultra chip is
00:33:34
>> doesn't matter. No one cares about the
00:33:36
chip if you're just buying a laptop.
00:33:38
buying a $3,800 Mac.
00:33:40
>> It's the same way that you're buying
00:33:41
like the Apple Watch Ultra. Most people
00:33:44
don't know what chip is inside of it.
00:33:45
It's just the Ultra one. That's the one
00:33:46
I get.
00:33:47
>> Yes. But in computers, I do think
00:33:49
there's some part of you that's like,
00:33:51
why am I getting the MacBook Ultra over
00:33:53
the MacBook Pro?
00:33:54
>> And it'll be like web.
00:33:56
>> The answer is the screen and the chip.
00:33:59
It's going to be the fastest, best
00:34:01
looking screen,
00:34:02
>> but it doesn't necessarily mean that it
00:34:04
has to have the ultra chip specifically,
00:34:06
just like a super pimped out like
00:34:08
regular max chip.
00:34:09
>> Two, even in their own naming scheme,
00:34:11
like they just released the like M5 Max
00:34:14
Pro.
00:34:16
>> Wow. I guess there is the MacBook Pro
00:34:18
though with M5 Pro,
00:34:20
>> right?
00:34:20
>> And so there is a Pro and a Pro Max.
00:34:22
>> There's a MacBook Pro with a Pro and
00:34:24
there's a MacBook Pro with a Max.
00:34:25
>> Neo's looking like the more I look at
00:34:28
it. I'm just saying I do think as weird
00:34:30
as their naming is already, I don't
00:34:32
think they can get away with naming it
00:34:34
MacBook Ultra and not putting the Ultra
00:34:38
chip in it. That's all I'm saying. So, I
00:34:40
think they have to name it something
00:34:42
else. And I think Studio is the name.
00:34:44
That's That's my
00:34:44
>> The weird thing about Studio is that now
00:34:46
they have the Studio Display that's kind
00:34:48
of mid
00:34:50
>> and it's not like insanely amazing. And
00:34:52
then they have the Studio Display XDR
00:34:54
that's really good.
00:34:55
>> So, that's kind of weird, right? display
00:34:57
is not mid.
00:34:59
>> It's beautiful.
00:35:00
>> It's an It's still It's still really
00:35:02
nice.
00:35:02
>> I think both can be true. Yeah, both can
00:35:04
be true.
00:35:04
>> Mine is horribly broken, but
00:35:06
>> No, the new one.
00:35:08
>> No, no, no. It's the same as the old
00:35:09
one.
00:35:10
>> It's still the studio display. So,
00:35:11
that's like the kind of weird thing is
00:35:12
like studio kind of means pro, but there
00:35:14
is still the studio and studio pro XDR
00:35:17
>> pretty much. But XDR is the name of it.
00:35:19
It's the MacBook XDR,
00:35:21
>> but it's already That's possible. But
00:35:23
it's already XDR.
00:35:24
>> The MacBook.
00:35:25
>> Yeah, but now it's the name. True. Yeah.
00:35:27
Is the OLED one extra XDR? I don't know.
00:35:30
>> XXDR.
00:35:32
>> The Pro Ultra XDR.
00:35:34
>> I mean, it's not even called a MacBook
00:35:35
anymore.
00:35:35
>> The special thing about this laptop is
00:35:37
going to be the screen. So, I wouldn't
00:35:39
be surprised if the name is something
00:35:40
about
00:35:40
>> I just hope it doesn't come out and we
00:35:42
look back at this conversation
00:35:43
>> and OLED.
00:35:44
>> Yes.
00:35:45
>> Right. I think it's supposed to be an
00:35:46
OLED.
00:35:46
>> Supposed to be OLED. So, they're going
00:35:47
to they're going to
00:35:48
>> That's so weird cuz now they have like
00:35:50
mini cuz they have mini LED in the
00:35:52
laptop already
00:35:53
>> which looks phenomenal.
00:35:54
>> Which looks phenomenal. And then now
00:35:56
they finally put it in the bigger
00:35:58
display.
00:35:59
>> And it it is easier to make smaller
00:36:01
screens like this. So like they start
00:36:03
with like really small and then they
00:36:04
slowly go up. But it kind of feels like
00:36:06
now they're like they've got multiple
00:36:08
generations of screen technologies and
00:36:10
you have to just you have to just know
00:36:12
which one is better. And OLED didn't
00:36:14
used to be better until they increased
00:36:16
the brightness and the refresh rate
00:36:18
because OLEDs used to be hard to make
00:36:20
bright and fast
00:36:21
>> and now you can. Yeah.
00:36:23
>> So, it's just
00:36:24
>> it is interesting how you just said how
00:36:25
like the new Studio Display XDR matches
00:36:28
with a MacBook screen way better now
00:36:30
when you're using it in that mode. And
00:36:31
then to then make a the highest level
00:36:33
laptop and highest level monitor now
00:36:35
would be different screens again.
00:36:37
>> Yeah.
00:36:37
>> Which needs
00:36:38
>> This is This is Pixel Ultra all over
00:36:40
again. This thing's not coming.
00:36:41
>> Would they release the the studio
00:36:43
display XDR again, but with OLED later?
00:36:47
>> It's like a weird ladder thing. And
00:36:49
maybe they do that on purpose to make
00:36:50
you always buy the new one.
00:36:52
>> Yeah. when it comes out.
00:36:53
>> Stagger the releases.
00:36:53
>> I guess I'm still confused why the touch
00:36:55
screen is going to be in the
00:36:56
>> the like pro pro version of a MacBook.
00:36:59
Touch screen feels like more of a like
00:37:01
>> casual feature.
00:37:02
>> Casual feature.
00:37:02
>> I agree.
00:37:03
>> Yeah.
00:37:04
>> Which is why I never wanted it in the
00:37:05
first place.
00:37:06
>> Yeah.
00:37:06
>> Yeah. So, you two are not allowed to buy
00:37:08
this if it comes out.
00:37:10
I'm probably still going to
00:37:11
>> I think kind of a sneaky update is the
00:37:14
M5 Air because it's crazy that the Air
00:37:18
used to be the computer that people were
00:37:20
like this used to be the Neo where
00:37:21
people were like you can't really do
00:37:24
like really serious video editing etc
00:37:26
etc on it. But the M5 is like super
00:37:28
capable.
00:37:29
>> Yes.
00:37:29
>> And if you have one of those laptops you
00:37:31
can do pretty crazy video editing. The
00:37:34
M5 is probably just as good in many ways
00:37:36
as the M1 like like Pro or Max was.
00:37:40
>> Yeah. Yeah. It was it was it's an eye
00:37:42
openener like actually using the Neo and
00:37:45
just trying to find the performance
00:37:46
ceiling and seeing that it it'll just
00:37:48
>> you can just open Final Cut and just
00:37:50
throw a bunch of ProRes videos from your
00:37:51
iPhone in there and you are you're doing
00:37:53
it. You're editing 4K video on a MacBook
00:37:55
Neo. Like it's happening. So that's
00:37:57
that's already crazy. It's it's
00:37:59
benchmarking around M1 levels of
00:38:01
performance with this chip. So M5 is is
00:38:05
big multi-threaded jumps, big screen
00:38:07
improvement. The GPUs are way better.
00:38:09
>> Way more GPU. It's gonna be a better
00:38:11
like it's a really good machine.
00:38:13
>> Yeah. So So it's a
00:38:14
>> Okay. Wait, I have a question for you
00:38:15
guys. Now that the MacBook Neo is out,
00:38:18
>> which one do you recommend
00:38:20
>> still? The Neo or the Air?
00:38:22
>> For who?
00:38:22
>> For who? Yeah.
00:38:23
>> For I don't have to answer that
00:38:25
question.
00:38:25
>> Random college student walks up to you.
00:38:27
He's like, I'm starting college next
00:38:28
week. Which one?
00:38:29
>> For I mean the the new default is Neo.
00:38:31
Yeah.
00:38:31
>> So, it's like for the 97 90 something%
00:38:34
of people, I'm starting with Neo and
00:38:36
then going, "What do you want to do on
00:38:37
this laptop?" And if I hear something
00:38:38
that they say that sounds like Neo
00:38:40
couldn't handle it, then I'll bump you
00:38:41
up to an Air.
00:38:41
>> It used to be Air and then when you hear
00:38:43
the thing, you bump them up to a Pro.
00:38:45
Yeah. So, now what is that ladder?
00:38:47
>> So, now it's like the Air can do 99% of
00:38:51
what most people need to do on a laptop.
00:38:53
And if you're coming to me and asking
00:38:54
what laptop you should get cuz you're
00:38:55
not like in the weeds doing the
00:38:57
research, that probably means a Neo can
00:38:58
handle everything you're doing. Unless
00:39:00
you want a bigger screen.
00:39:01
>> Uh the Air has Yeah, you have a 15-inch
00:39:04
Air. If you want a bigger screen, sure.
00:39:06
Uh but the second you say something
00:39:07
like, I have these these projects that I
00:39:10
I want to do and my current computer's
00:39:12
too slow for them, then I'm like, okay,
00:39:13
now you need to figure out if the Neo
00:39:15
can handle that or not. Yeah,
00:39:17
>> and sometimes it's like a pretty big
00:39:19
Yeah, you know, people are coding with
00:39:20
like way heavier LLM stuff and bigger AI
00:39:23
projects and they want more local memory
00:39:25
and sometimes they're playing bigger
00:39:27
games and sometimes they're doing more
00:39:28
stuff
00:39:29
>> then air can probably handle it. And at
00:39:31
the very very peak of that is I am doing
00:39:34
professional like projects that I make
00:39:37
money from and MacBook Air is the
00:39:38
answer.
00:39:39
>> I say this because I still think to me
00:39:41
the answer is still MacBook Air. Like I
00:39:43
think the same way that people need to
00:39:45
be convin people need to convince me for
00:39:47
me to recommend them a pro, I need to be
00:39:48
convinced to recommend you a Neo.
00:39:51
>> Why?
00:39:51
>> I still think that the Air is just a
00:39:52
safe bet for anyone. If I know nothing
00:39:54
about what you're going to do $400.
00:39:56
>> It is a safe bet.
00:39:57
>> 500 more. Look at how long you keep M1
00:39:59
for.
00:40:00
>> I know.
00:40:00
>> It's d It's almost double.
00:40:02
>> Almost double the price.
00:40:03
>> Yeah, that's fair. I think the
00:40:05
>> anecdotally the the scenario to me is
00:40:08
not so much as that. It's usually the
00:40:10
parent of the kid about to leave high
00:40:12
school and go to college asking me what
00:40:14
laptop should I get my kid and the two
00:40:16
reasons I've convinced them to spend
00:40:18
extra money because it's usually the
00:40:19
parents money so they don't want to
00:40:21
spend more to go MacBook Air in the past
00:40:23
because if you're already asking me what
00:40:26
MacBook or what laptop to buy, you don't
00:40:28
know a lot. So you buying that means you
00:40:30
can also bring it to an Apple store when
00:40:32
something happens to it. So now I can
00:40:34
recommend a much easier to digest price
00:40:37
point for a parent and with the benefit
00:40:40
of like wherever your kid goes to
00:40:41
college is probably an Apple store
00:40:42
within 40 minutes of them to go fix it.
00:40:45
>> I'll say this really hard not to do it.
00:40:47
>> It's that's super valid. I'll also say
00:40:49
without knowing the breakdown of how
00:40:52
much each laptop sells. The way I think
00:40:55
about it is like if you want the true
00:40:56
safest bet, money, no object, like
00:40:59
14-inch MacBook Pro is is good enough
00:41:01
for 99% of people to cover them. If you
00:41:04
want MacBook Air M5, that's going to
00:41:08
cover
00:41:10
93%
00:41:12
of people and MacBook Neo is going to
00:41:14
cover 85% of people. And so, if I just
00:41:17
want to recommend the thing that works
00:41:18
for everyone, okay, yeah, MacBook Pro is
00:41:20
going to do it. But you could probably
00:41:21
start with the Neo. And then if you're
00:41:22
in the sliver of people who that can't
00:41:24
cover, then you bump up.
00:41:25
>> Yeah,
00:41:26
>> that's how I think about it.
00:41:27
>> Yeah. And it is crazy with that
00:41:28
education discount, too.
00:41:30
>> Yeah.
00:41:30
>> I still think everybody should probably
00:41:32
get the Touch Bar 512 GB version. That's
00:41:34
the other thing. If you need more
00:41:35
storage, I mean, this Touch ID touch,
00:41:40
>> bring back that Touch Bar.
00:41:41
>> No. Yeah. If you need more storage, this
00:41:43
only comes with 256 and 512. So, I would
00:41:46
definitely recommend getting the 512
00:41:47
unless you're apparently like my sister
00:41:49
and do everything on the cloud. My
00:41:51
actual thing that I say to people is I
00:41:52
go look at how much storage you're using
00:41:54
right now on your current computer. Like
00:41:56
four or five years in, how much storage
00:41:58
are you using? Assume that you'll use
00:42:00
50% more and get enough to cover that.
00:42:02
Yeah.
00:42:02
>> Cuz you're going to have it for four or
00:42:04
five more years.
00:42:05
>> Just do that. So I was like literally
00:42:07
was talking to someone the other day who
00:42:08
has like 128 gigs used out of their 256.
00:42:11
Like you can get another 256 computer
00:42:13
and be fine for the next four or five
00:42:15
years.
00:42:15
>> For most people it's like photos and
00:42:17
stuff too.
00:42:17
>> Yep. Photos and videos. I don't know
00:42:19
about on a laptop, but um yeah, the
00:42:21
other thing is that the Touch ID, Touch
00:42:23
ID, not Touch Bar, a lot easier to log
00:42:26
into your computer every time you open
00:42:27
it by touching it as opposed to typing
00:42:29
your password every single time. If you
00:42:31
have an Apple Watch, obviously you can
00:42:32
set it up so it automatically unlocks if
00:42:34
you have your Apple Watch with you. Um
00:42:36
but it is frustrating to have to type
00:42:38
your password every single time. So that
00:42:40
is something.
00:42:41
>> There you go.
00:42:42
>> But uh yeah, pretty crazy. I think Yeah,
00:42:45
we talked about we talked about pretty
00:42:47
much everything, right? You know what
00:42:48
else we do every time?
00:42:50
>> We do trivia.
00:42:52
>> Um.
00:42:53
>> Yeah. I was gonna talk about the M4 iPad
00:42:56
Air. There's really nothing to say.
00:42:58
>> You just said everything about
00:42:59
>> the iPad Air. It has an M4.
00:43:01
>> Yes, indeed. Let's move on.
00:43:04
>> Trivia,
00:43:06
dude. All right. So, after the break,
00:43:08
we're going to talk potentially. I
00:43:10
thought we were going to talk about it
00:43:10
before the break, but
00:43:12
>> about the new Honor robot phone, which
00:43:14
they should not be calling a robot phone
00:43:15
because there's nothing.
00:43:18
>> There's robotics. Have you seen
00:43:19
>> the Verge artic The Verge article
00:43:21
basically has the same thought as you?
00:43:23
What's the robot part of this?
00:43:24
>> The Verge just jocking my swag. What
00:43:26
else is new? Just kidding. I love those
00:43:29
guys. Um, but my question is, amidst all
00:43:32
the robot phone stuff, Honor dropped a
00:43:34
press release that I did not see anyone
00:43:36
mention in their articles, which is
00:43:40
Honor is partnering with a camera
00:43:42
company.
00:43:44
>> Yes.
00:43:45
>> What camera company?
00:43:47
>> Oh, is it?
00:43:48
>> I remember. Can we answer right now?
00:43:50
>> No.
00:43:51
>> How did I miss this?
00:43:53
>> Um, uh, I do. I do. Oh, I know. I know.
00:43:56
I know.
00:43:56
>> Well, come
00:43:57
>> I remember. I'm going to write down too
00:43:59
much thinking.
00:43:59
>> I think I know what it is.
00:44:00
>> All right, answers will be at the end
00:44:02
like usual. We'll be right back.
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Welcome back. So, there's a big event
00:45:29
last week called Mobile World Congress
00:45:30
MWC. Adam and I have a lot of trauma
00:45:32
from that event. Um, basically there's a
00:45:35
lot of stuff that gets launched there.
00:45:37
Uh, it kind of has weaned off in
00:45:39
previous years, but this year we're
00:45:40
freaking back, baby. There's a lot of
00:45:42
weird stuff coming out there. One of
00:45:44
those things was the Honor Robot Phone,
00:45:46
which we had.
00:45:48
>> Yes. Beep beep boop. We had shown this
00:45:50
phone off a number of months ago because
00:45:52
they showed off a little concept. So, we
00:45:54
talked about it briefly, but now it's
00:45:56
out in the wild sort of. It's attached
00:45:58
to tables. You can't really, you know,
00:45:59
take it around. But effectively, what
00:46:01
this is is it's a phone that has a
00:46:04
built-in DJI Osmo Pocket in it. It's
00:46:07
like a little gimbal thing that you can,
00:46:09
you know, you can like swerve around.
00:46:11
>> Unfolds out of the unfolds out of the
00:46:13
phone, which is very crazy. Um, so
00:46:17
>> yeah, it's it's weird. They claim that
00:46:19
it's 70% smaller than the competition.
00:46:21
Um, we're guessing that the competition
00:46:23
is the Osmo Pocket.
00:46:25
>> Yeah, they just said competition. I was
00:46:27
like,
00:46:27
>> "Yeah,
00:46:28
>> gimbal in a smartphone." What's the
00:46:29
competition here? It doesn't look 70%
00:46:32
smaller than an Osmo because an Osmo is
00:46:35
really It's definitely smaller than an
00:46:36
Osmo, but an Osmo is small.
00:46:38
>> Unless they're talking about like actual
00:46:40
gimbals. Maybe that's the competition.
00:46:42
>> I'm not sure.
00:46:43
>> I think they're referring to the literal
00:46:44
like gimbal mechanism.
00:46:47
>> Yeah. to like fold it into a phone,
00:46:49
>> something that's already small. 70%
00:46:50
smaller is not that
00:46:52
>> Yeah, true. The way it comes out is the
00:46:54
back of the phone has a kind of plateau
00:46:57
and then weirdly enough all the cameras
00:47:00
are on the right side of the plateau
00:47:01
which we're not used to seeing and then
00:47:02
the left side has a stagger almost like
00:47:05
a step because that needs to half of it
00:47:07
needs to slide over the right side and
00:47:09
then it flips up on top of the phone.
00:47:12
kind of like remember Essential had that
00:47:15
like uh 360 cam that connected with pogo
00:47:18
pins on the back and was up on the top
00:47:20
like that, but Osmo kind of looks like
00:47:23
that Insta 360 webcam that kind of
00:47:25
follows around the link
00:47:28
>> kind of follows you around. It's like
00:47:29
that. Um yeah, it's strange. They say
00:47:31
it's the smallest four degrees of
00:47:33
freedom gimbal in the industry.
00:47:35
>> And uh the bump is already pretty big,
00:47:38
but it's it it makes the bump very deep.
00:47:41
must be nuts on that phone.
00:47:43
>> Yeah.
00:47:44
>> Okay. There's a lot of things that are
00:47:45
going to be nuts on this phone. One, the
00:47:47
wobble of putting it on a table. Two,
00:47:49
trying to put this in your pocket and
00:47:50
not like yank the thing apart. You know
00:47:52
how when you put your phone in your
00:47:53
pocket and like the lip of your pocket
00:47:55
catches the camera lens? What happens on
00:47:57
this phone? That's another thing.
00:47:59
>> I just I I think there's a reason why
00:48:01
they don't let people hold this thing.
00:48:02
If you watch all the hands-on videos,
00:48:03
none of them are hands-on. They're just
00:48:05
pointing at the phone like on a stick on
00:48:07
a stand in Mobile World Congress. And
00:48:10
then also, okay, so I got I got briefed
00:48:12
on this phone and I talked to them about
00:48:13
this and they're explaining why it's
00:48:15
called the robot phone. Do you guys know
00:48:16
why it's called a robot phone?
00:48:18
>> Kind of. It's sort of a robot legs and
00:48:21
walk across the desk.
00:48:22
>> It nods at you. That's pretty much it.
00:48:24
>> Almost. Uh the the camera itself,
00:48:27
obviously the gimbal will like uh move
00:48:29
it out and point around and do all sorts
00:48:31
of stuff like that and can follow you,
00:48:32
but also when you're not using it as a
00:48:34
camera, it kind of becomes this
00:48:37
anthropomorphic face and nods and shakes
00:48:41
its head and responds to your queries
00:48:44
with sounds. So you can ask it, "Do you
00:48:46
think my outfit is nice?" And it will
00:48:48
nod and go, "Yeah, nice outfit by moving
00:48:50
the gimbal to shake the camera up and
00:48:52
down." That's why it's
00:48:54
>> I would love if it just judge me by what
00:48:56
I was looking at on my phone and it
00:48:58
could like look down at the screen and
00:49:00
look back at me and just like shake it.
00:49:02
>> That's the first thought I had is would
00:49:04
it ever say no? Like if you go, "Hey
00:49:06
gimbal robot phone, do you like my
00:49:08
outfit?" And it looks at you and goes,
00:49:10
>> it just folds back up.
00:49:11
>> I don't like it. That would be
00:49:12
hilarious. But yeah, apparently uh it'll
00:49:15
yeah respond to your your queries.
00:49:17
>> They are apparently also developing an
00:49:19
accessory to clip it to your backpack.
00:49:21
So, I think the point of this is that
00:49:22
you should be able to use voice commands
00:49:24
to do different actions and it can be
00:49:27
kind of this you you clip for your phone
00:49:29
to your backpack and then you have like
00:49:30
a POV thing going on on your back or
00:49:32
maybe on your
00:49:33
>> like the Osmo people like to clip it
00:49:34
onto a backpack.
00:49:35
>> Yeah, it this feels like such a 2026
00:49:38
phone launch of hey, we actually put
00:49:41
some crazy hardware on on this prototype
00:49:44
phone and let's still tell you about all
00:49:46
the weird AI things it can do instead of
00:49:48
that we fit a gimbal inside. No will pay
00:49:50
attention if we don't say AI. So AI AI.
00:49:53
>> Yeah, they are using a 200 megapixel
00:49:55
camera, which I assume is primarily used
00:49:57
for insane video stabilization.
00:50:00
>> Uh because you're not going to use all
00:50:01
200 megapixels. You're going to crop the
00:50:03
hell into that thing.
00:50:05
>> Um yeah, it's it's weird. Apparently,
00:50:08
it's going to come out.
00:50:09
>> That this is my
00:50:10
>> allegedly or is it
00:50:12
>> is it is it going to come out in China
00:50:13
only for $3,000 in like limited supply
00:50:16
or is it going to like
00:50:17
>> come out? probably it okay they
00:50:20
suggested a global release in the future
00:50:24
was a possibility but they have no
00:50:25
timeline
00:50:26
>> this is a long shot but have any of you
00:50:28
played the Star Wars fall in order game
00:50:31
Jedi fall in order
00:50:32
>> no
00:50:33
>> there's a robot the BD1 that it's just a
00:50:35
little camera guy that like hangs around
00:50:37
your backpack and shoulder if they can
00:50:39
make this that I'm all in just give me
00:50:42
that that little robot with a camera
00:50:44
>> I think it just screws your phone up so
00:50:45
it's still way too big And your phone
00:50:48
camera bump is like a double plateau
00:50:50
essentially on one side.
00:50:52
>> This thing has IP68.
00:50:53
>> No shot.
00:50:55
>> Do not bring it to the beach.
00:50:57
>> No, it could. It could. It could. I've
00:50:58
seen a full shot of water inside of the
00:51:02
empty cavity when it's popped out.
00:51:05
>> Yeah, drones are drones are mostly you
00:51:09
can No, you can't.
00:51:11
>> It does. It can do one thing where like
00:51:12
>> drones you can get you can get them wet
00:51:15
>> a little. Allegedly. Oh, maybe a little
00:51:17
>> not like submerge them or anything, but
00:51:19
you can you can
00:51:21
>> I don't I can't I don't know that I have
00:51:24
anything.
00:51:24
>> That will be a drone that comes out
00:51:25
eventually is a drone that can land in
00:51:27
water and then can jet around like a
00:51:29
boat. That will happen. If robot vacuums
00:51:31
have anything to do with it,
00:51:32
>> see what Google has to say about it.
00:51:35
Mavic drones do not have an official IP
00:51:36
rating. I was going to It's funny that
00:51:39
this
00:51:40
>> light rain Mavic 4D
00:51:41
>> people do fly light rain for sure
00:51:44
>> and through like fog which is basically
00:51:46
rain.
00:51:46
>> Yeah,
00:51:47
>> it's a whole another conversation.
00:51:49
>> It is.
00:51:49
>> What is rain?
00:51:50
>> Dense fog is like
00:51:51
>> a cloud actually.
00:51:52
>> Basically a cloud is basically
00:51:53
>> See, a cloud is when it condenses enough
00:51:54
to precipitate.
00:51:56
>> But the talk about weather. We have to
00:51:58
be very careful here.
00:52:00
>> That's my bad. I saw the road that I was
00:52:01
going down
00:52:02
>> and I decided not to go.
00:52:03
>> You got to It's that meme of the car and
00:52:06
burning to the right. Weather apps back
00:52:09
to the podcast.
00:52:10
>> Yeah. Yeah.
00:52:10
>> Um, yes. So, yeah. I don't know. It
00:52:13
could be interesting. Well, we
00:52:15
>> we'll see when it comes out.
00:52:16
>> We'll see when it comes out.
00:52:17
>> Now, we have to talk about the thing
00:52:19
that we glazed over a little bit last
00:52:21
week. We briefly mentioned it, but we
00:52:23
wanted to go a little bit deeper in
00:52:24
this. Uh, Meta is allegedly sending your
00:52:28
video feed from your Meta AI Rayban
00:52:30
glasses to an analysis facility in
00:52:33
Kenya.
00:52:34
And uh people are being do not do that.
00:52:37
People are being forced to watch videos
00:52:40
that they shouldn't be watching. Lots of
00:52:42
intimate scenes, lots of people using
00:52:43
the bathroom. Um very weird
00:52:46
>> banking details.
00:52:47
>> Banking details. And you know, I just
00:52:50
think we probably shouldn't have cameras
00:52:52
strapped to our faces all the time, but
00:52:54
maybe that's just me. And um Meta is the
00:52:56
one that a few weeks ago had that leaked
00:53:00
internal memo where they were like
00:53:01
there's a lot of bad going on in
00:53:02
the world right now which means it's
00:53:04
perfect time to launch these AI features
00:53:06
that people do not want.
00:53:08
>> So So I didn't read this article uh but
00:53:11
I do have questions if you guys have.
00:53:13
>> I guess my first question is when you
00:53:15
said v like feed camera feed do you mean
00:53:17
like not live feed but stuff you take
00:53:20
pictures of or stuff you ask AI about?
00:53:22
What is what is involved? There's a long
00:53:24
article, one we'll post it in the show
00:53:27
notes because everyone should read it.
00:53:28
Um, it's a Swedish newspaper that did
00:53:29
this investigation. From what I remember
00:53:31
and from what I wrote down, it seems
00:53:34
like it's the majority of the time
00:53:36
they're seeing it is when you're
00:53:37
activating AI features and not even
00:53:40
always just like the AI features of like
00:53:42
use the context of the camera, but
00:53:44
essentially you ask it an AI question,
00:53:46
it isn't showing the recording thing
00:53:48
because of you're not just doing the
00:53:50
video recording and people don't know
00:53:52
how long it's continuing to use the
00:53:54
context of video and audio. And so what
00:53:57
it's do, the reason it's getting sent to
00:53:59
this company called Sama Sama SA,
00:54:02
they're located in um Kenya is they're
00:54:06
people there in an office who are using
00:54:08
that feed to help label different things
00:54:10
to help teach Meta AI. They're data
00:54:13
annotators. Yeah, they're circling
00:54:15
objects so you can tell the street sign
00:54:17
so you can tell a car, so you can tell a
00:54:19
person. And it's just helping build
00:54:21
that. issue is is these people are
00:54:24
saying the stuff they're seeing is like
00:54:26
>> banking details on cards. They're seeing
00:54:28
private conversations that could be
00:54:29
about all sorts of different stuff,
00:54:31
legal andor illegal. They're seeing one
00:54:34
example was somebody asked a question
00:54:36
and then put their glasses down on the
00:54:38
nightstand and then their wife walked
00:54:39
out of the bathroom naked. and they're
00:54:42
seeing all these different, you know,
00:54:43
sexual intercourse, people going to the
00:54:46
bathroom, people in changing rooms, all
00:54:48
these different extremely private things
00:54:51
are being sent to this facility in Kenya
00:54:53
where data annotators can then see all
00:54:56
these really private.
00:54:57
>> My next my next question was going to be
00:54:59
like why is the data getting sent back?
00:55:01
So, it's not just like oh this is some
00:55:03
like mischievous thing that they're
00:55:05
doing. that specifically they've decided
00:55:08
to use humans to help correct or maybe
00:55:12
point out things to the AI to train it
00:55:14
to make it better.
00:55:15
>> Yeah. Very poorly uh compensated humans
00:55:19
because there's a lot of really there's
00:55:21
a ton of also investigations about that
00:55:23
company charging X amount and paying the
00:55:26
actual employees fractions of what
00:55:29
they're charging. I wouldn't be
00:55:30
surprised if that's
00:55:30
>> So that's another thing. the employees
00:55:32
aren't allowed like phones and stuff in
00:55:33
the office, but at the same time, like
00:55:35
>> I don't care what it is. I just don't
00:55:38
want people seeing potentially stuff
00:55:40
like that. Especially when you don't
00:55:42
know when it's ever recording this
00:55:44
stuff.
00:55:44
>> That's the last question, which is it's
00:55:47
not just when you're asking the AI for a
00:55:50
visual match.
00:55:51
>> You don't know when that ends after you
00:55:52
ask it.
00:55:53
>> You don't know when. We did a little
00:55:55
test in the office to see what would
00:55:57
trigger various indicator lights on the
00:55:58
camera cuz obviously when you say meta
00:56:00
take a picture the ring around the
00:56:01
camera lights up.
00:56:02
>> Yes.
00:56:02
>> If you say so I looked at Mariah and I
00:56:05
said
00:56:07
>> what meta sorry I don't want to trigger
00:56:09
anyone's thing but
00:56:10
>> there's like a key phrase you
00:56:11
>> I don't remember what it is but Mr. AI
00:56:13
bot um what is 6 plus two and the camera
00:56:17
light did not come on because that
00:56:19
question should not require the camera.
00:56:21
Then I asked it, "What color is the
00:56:24
person in front of me's shirt?" And the
00:56:26
light still did not come on. So there's
00:56:28
no feedback when the AI there's no
00:56:30
camera feedback to either the user.
00:56:32
There's a prompt light, but the prompt
00:56:33
light comes on anytime the the thing is
00:56:36
being prompted. So that also So the
00:56:37
point is is that like you don't actually
00:56:40
know when the camera is firing.
00:56:42
>> Yeah.
00:56:42
>> Um like the camera could have been
00:56:45
recording data and sending that to Meta
00:56:47
when I asked it what 6 plus 2 is. It
00:56:49
wouldn't surprise me because in order
00:56:51
for uh contextaware,
00:56:54
you know, AI through the camera to
00:56:56
answer you as fast as possible, you
00:56:58
should launch the camera and audio
00:56:59
immediately once you trigger the word,
00:57:02
right? Or else then you have to wait for
00:57:04
>> it's a different type of well, just from
00:57:05
my experience, it's a different type of
00:57:06
prompt. I think you literally say, "Hey,
00:57:08
m look and tell me." And when you start
00:57:11
that, then
00:57:12
>> even to be have to say, I just had to
00:57:13
say, "Hey, m what color is the person's
00:57:16
shirt in front of me?" That that and it
00:57:18
gave me the correct answer. So clearly
00:57:19
the camera was turned on and I tested
00:57:21
that multiple times to make sure it
00:57:22
wasn't a fluke. Like how many people are
00:57:24
in the room? Are the lights on? And I
00:57:26
never said look and tell me. It was just
00:57:27
like there.
00:57:28
>> Yeah. So a a couple extra things in here
00:57:30
is like Meta's attempt at privacy here
00:57:34
is that their own systems are blurring
00:57:37
faces before it goes to these data
00:57:39
annotators. But they are also saying
00:57:41
that depending on lighting conditions
00:57:43
and stuff that those blurs don't work
00:57:45
all the time. It's pretty often that
00:57:47
they see people just and their faces and
00:57:49
everything like that which maybe they
00:57:52
need data annotators to check to work on
00:57:55
their AI to send to other data
00:57:57
annotators but um it just this is all
00:58:01
really icky. I mean, and in their terms
00:58:03
of service, they're saying this is fine
00:58:04
because it says, uh, in some cases, Meta
00:58:06
will review your interactions with AIS,
00:58:08
including the content of your
00:58:09
conversations with or messages to AI.
00:58:12
And this review can be automated or
00:58:13
manual, parenthesis, human.
00:58:16
>> So,
00:58:16
>> and no one will know when it's human.
00:58:18
>> You don't know when that's you're using
00:58:19
the product, but you don't know when.
00:58:20
>> You can't opt out of this either through
00:58:22
the AI. There is some other privacy
00:58:24
options you can opt out of through some
00:58:25
other stuff on Meta Raybands, but
00:58:27
through AI, there's no opt out as far as
00:58:29
I'm concerned. When I'm reading this
00:58:31
right now,
00:58:32
>> opt out would be smart to add.
00:58:34
>> It would be. Yeah,
00:58:36
>> it should be opt in.
00:58:37
>> It should be.
00:58:38
>> Yeah.
00:58:38
>> I mean, all Samsung, like I just
00:58:40
remember reviewing the S26 Ultra, all of
00:58:42
these features of uh like Galaxy AI
00:58:45
stuff. They're all on by default and
00:58:48
they also will all use the internet by
00:58:50
default. But at the very bottom, there's
00:58:51
a little button you can check, which is
00:58:53
do all of this on device, which does
00:58:55
limit some of its functionality. But it
00:58:56
is an option that you can check, which
00:58:58
is to never have any of this stuff leave
00:59:00
your device. Obviously, if you're
00:59:01
editing photos or doing any of that
00:59:03
stuff, maybe you want to check that box.
00:59:05
So, yeah, I agree that like opting
00:59:07
everyone in by default is ridiculous.
00:59:09
>> Well, and it's why they're selling
00:59:10
these, right? Because this is all
00:59:12
training meta's AI.
00:59:13
>> They want as much data. Yeah,
00:59:14
>> they want as much data. You're wearing
00:59:16
it all the time. You're probably
00:59:17
accessing the AI stuff. it's just going
00:59:19
to record and now you pay a bunch of
00:59:21
people horrible wages to then help it
00:59:24
wrongly tell the color of my co-worker's
00:59:26
shirt later.
00:59:27
>> And it it's like it's it sort of seems
00:59:29
like it's meant to be confusing on
00:59:31
purpose. Like one of the parts of the
00:59:32
article was going to Luxica stores,
00:59:35
which is the company that makes the like
00:59:37
glasses part of it, and asking a bunch
00:59:38
of sales reps about where this data gets
00:59:41
stored. And a bunch of them were like,
00:59:43
"No, no, everything happens locally on
00:59:45
the glasses." Like,
00:59:46
>> they just have no idea.
00:59:47
>> They have no no idea.
00:59:49
>> Multiple different answers here.
00:59:50
>> No one has any idea, you know, except
00:59:53
except
00:59:54
>> Meta.
00:59:55
>> Half of Meta might not even know because
00:59:57
they don't want them to know. Like
00:59:59
>> this reminds me a lot of the content
01:00:01
moderation things that was happening a
01:00:02
couple years ago. Casey Newton had like
01:00:04
a big story interviewing people in these
01:00:06
places that are just like looking at
01:00:08
videos on social media that
01:00:09
>> people terrible videos
01:00:12
>> and it's like they're getting paid
01:00:13
pennies to like do this content
01:00:15
moderation stuff. This is like the new
01:00:18
like labor of AI.
01:00:19
>> Yeah,
01:00:19
>> I cannot imagine.
01:00:21
>> Yeah. So, yeah, it says that they are
01:00:23
also um all of the chats, all the
01:00:26
transcriptions of the chats are also
01:00:28
stored and they have to go through those
01:00:29
to see if the AI gave them a a good
01:00:31
answer. And there's a lot of weird
01:00:34
conversations that people are having.
01:00:35
And it's just it's just a weird privacy
01:00:38
thing because I think that something
01:00:40
that we don't acknowledge enough as a
01:00:42
society is what is in the terms and
01:00:44
conditions that you just scroll past
01:00:46
really quickly and then hit I accept.
01:00:48
That stuff used to be like I will not
01:00:50
see the company if my microwave
01:00:51
explodes. But now it's like I consent to
01:00:54
give up all data that I have ever used
01:00:56
on this product and the company can use
01:00:59
it for whatever they want and blah blah
01:01:01
blah.
01:01:02
>> And yeah, you're you're the product if
01:01:04
uh the the service is free. And right
01:01:06
now the AI service is the free thing and
01:01:08
the the glasses are what you're paying
01:01:10
for.
01:01:10
>> And this is extra freaky because
01:01:12
remember this is the same product that
01:01:13
those Harvard researchers made the like
01:01:15
look what we can do automatic face ID.
01:01:18
Oh yeah thing built in for students. I
01:01:21
no no no no no I know well student
01:01:24
whatever you know like this is like how
01:01:26
easy would it be for someone to get
01:01:29
these look I don't know I'm I'm
01:01:31
spiraling this like this is bad you know
01:01:34
this is really bad
01:01:35
>> yiky at the best level and extremely
01:01:37
concerning depending how much you trust
01:01:38
meta you should just if you have these
01:01:40
glasses read this article pretty much
01:01:43
>> just in general like if you if you own a
01:01:46
device that has a non webcam camera like
01:01:50
I like phones and laptops I think are
01:01:52
exempt from this statement. But like if
01:01:54
you own a device with a camera on it,
01:01:56
just assume it is always recording and
01:01:59
that footage will be stored somewhere
01:02:03
forever and people can look at it like
01:02:05
like there's no reason to ever assume
01:02:08
that a device with a camera because you
01:02:09
know the article even says like the
01:02:12
company the money meta makes on this
01:02:14
training data from you is infinitely
01:02:17
more valuable than any than than if they
01:02:20
sold glasses to everyone in the
01:02:21
universe, you know, like So, of course
01:02:23
they're going to look at it over and
01:02:25
over and over and over again. And of
01:02:26
course, they're going to capture as much
01:02:28
as they can of your life. Like the stuff
01:02:30
about the glasses sometimes recording
01:02:32
for like long periods of time is like
01:02:34
why do they do that?
01:02:35
>> It should definitely have the ring going
01:02:37
on for anytime that camera is being
01:02:40
accessed and something can be used for
01:02:42
sure. It almost
01:02:44
>> if you really don't trust Meta, you
01:02:45
could argue that they only put the ring
01:02:46
on there for normal recording to then
01:02:48
make you not think about when it's
01:02:50
recording later for AI stuff. I don't
01:02:52
necessarily think that's true, but I'm
01:02:54
sure they're not trying to
01:02:55
>> because it was because of the Google
01:02:57
Glass issues of not having any sort of
01:02:59
indicator,
01:02:59
>> which was Yeah.
01:03:00
>> I I really liked in I don't know if it
01:03:02
was in direct response to this, but
01:03:03
around the time this article came out,
01:03:05
someone dropped an Android app that
01:03:07
makes your phone scan Bluetooth 24/7 and
01:03:11
it can detect whether someone has
01:03:14
metaglasses within 50 ft of you and
01:03:16
sends you an alert so you can go find
01:03:18
them and
01:03:19
>> not not do anything. You can go find
01:03:21
them and say, "Gently, gently take off
01:03:24
those glasses, sir or madam."
01:03:26
>> Cool. Next thing, another
01:03:30
>> potentially really confusing article,
01:03:31
but for the better this time.
01:03:33
>> Yeah.
01:03:34
>> Google's 30% tax is changing.
01:03:38
>> Awesome.
01:03:39
>> Where's this? There's a cool soundboard
01:03:40
there somewhere, right?
01:03:41
>> Yeah.
01:03:42
>> Whoops.
01:03:43
>> Maybe. Um, we've talked multiple times.
01:03:46
Apparently Ellis doesn't remember any of
01:03:48
them about
01:03:50
>> this was confusing
01:03:51
>> about Epic versus Google. They were also
01:03:53
Epic versus Apple. Um essentially suing
01:03:56
these companies because of their
01:03:57
monopoly over Play stores and taxes on
01:04:01
top of distribution. Yeah. Um, so there
01:04:03
was a settlement or it seems like a
01:04:06
settlement was reached in November, but
01:04:08
before the final details of that came
01:04:10
out, Google just started making changes
01:04:12
and just announced recently that they're
01:04:14
going to change how they're doing their
01:04:17
I just keep calling it the Google tax. I
01:04:18
think everyone understands what I'm
01:04:19
saying, right? Play store tax. 30% of
01:04:22
essentially your revenue if you sell on
01:04:25
the Play Store through pretty much any
01:04:26
form
01:04:27
>> goes to Google.
01:04:28
>> Yeah. Um, I'm going to super TLDDR this
01:04:31
and try and explain a little different
01:04:32
afterwards, but it gets really confusing
01:04:34
because there's different levels. Most
01:04:36
of the fees seem to be going to 20%.
01:04:40
Um, and by the end of the year, they're
01:04:41
going to launch registered app stores,
01:04:43
which is a program that you can download
01:04:45
third party app stores for people
01:04:47
outside of the US pretty much the same
01:04:49
way you would just download stuff in
01:04:50
Google Play. So they're not making this
01:04:53
hard sideloading effort of getting like
01:04:55
an Epic store or stuff on your phone
01:04:58
that's a pain in the neck. You should
01:04:59
just be able to download them no problem
01:05:02
which is a huge issue
01:05:03
>> outside of the US in in particular
01:05:06
though right
01:05:06
>> that's what I read
01:05:07
>> because of like European law
01:05:09
>> I guess again
01:05:11
>> we don't get any
01:05:13
>> Europe gets the cool phones they get the
01:05:15
good consumer rights
01:05:16
>> hey they don't get that 20 watt charger
01:05:18
in their Neo box
01:05:19
>> that's true
01:05:20
>> that's tough
01:05:22
>> um so yeah 20% for the most part of
01:05:25
people which is 10% less Um, I'm trying
01:05:29
to look into here.
01:05:32
I have this chart that even the more I
01:05:34
look at it, the more I'm confused. So,
01:05:37
new installs 20%, existing installs 25%.
01:05:41
Non-recurring purchases 20%, they're
01:05:44
taking links to downloads, I'm not even
01:05:47
going to attempt to, but so in some
01:05:49
subscriptions and microtransactions,
01:05:51
there's some other ways that this can be
01:05:53
even lower. Um, and the Google Play
01:05:56
billing fee if you're using their
01:05:57
billing system, 5%. So, a lot of things
01:06:01
did go down. This is great. Somebody I
01:06:04
think Verge wrote this as Tim Sweeney
01:06:07
just signed a deal to not be able to
01:06:09
complain about Google for the next 3
01:06:10
years or something like that, which I
01:06:12
thought was pretty funny.
01:06:13
>> It's It was till 2032, I think.
01:06:16
>> Is it? Yeah.
01:06:16
>> Um, roll out for this will be through
01:06:20
the year. It seems like by June 30th,
01:06:22
uh, this will affect UK and US.
01:06:25
September 30th, Australia, December
01:06:27
31st, Korea and Japan, and then by
01:06:29
September 30th, 2027, the rest of the
01:06:32
world.
01:06:33
>> Um, I'll link the Verge article if
01:06:36
you're a developer and actually need a
01:06:37
lot more information on this because
01:06:39
there's like 20 different ways that this
01:06:41
could change. The breakdown of this is
01:06:43
reminiscent of when the judge said that
01:06:45
Apple had to change their fees and then
01:06:47
they did the malicious compliance thing
01:06:49
and just made it so insanely confusing
01:06:51
and probably worse for most people. Um,
01:06:54
and then the judge came back with the
01:06:56
injunction and said there will not be
01:06:58
another bite at the apple, which was a
01:06:59
banger. Um, that almost kind of looks
01:07:02
like what this is, but I don't think
01:07:04
this is necessarily a malicious
01:07:05
compliance thing. It's just Google
01:07:06
trying to save their ass because both
01:07:08
Google and Apple make a huge amount of
01:07:12
money being the the traffic stop for app
01:07:15
stores. Yep.
01:07:16
>> Like that is their a huge revenue driver
01:07:18
for them. Apple notably has been like
01:07:21
shifting to services over the last few
01:07:23
years because they know that they're
01:07:25
probably not going to be able to
01:07:26
endlessly make money on the app store
01:07:28
anymore. So, uh, yeah, Google is also
01:07:32
going to try to have to fill this gap,
01:07:34
but it seems like they came to an
01:07:36
agreement that was good enough for
01:07:38
everybody. I'm I'm surprised that Tim
01:07:39
Sweeney was still okay with 20% to be
01:07:42
honest. Like, I think that he was pretty
01:07:44
hardcore about, you know, absolutely
01:07:46
not.
01:07:46
>> I think the biggest thing is that
01:07:47
there's a easier way to download third
01:07:50
party stores on your phone, which then
01:07:52
obviously you're outside
01:07:54
>> store. Yeah. So, good for developers if
01:07:57
you can understand it. Yeah,
01:07:59
>> it's crazy that Fortnite's big enough
01:08:01
that he could be like this thing that
01:08:03
one of the largest companies in the
01:08:05
world is making me mad about, so you
01:08:07
don't get Fortnite and that will make
01:08:09
changes in the world.
01:08:10
>> I mean, most game stores outside of
01:08:12
Steam only really still exist because
01:08:15
that company has like one giant game
01:08:17
that everybody plays, you know?
01:08:20
>> That's true. Well, Epic Starts is like
01:08:22
getting other big ones to come to Yeah.
01:08:25
Yeah, but Riot has like League of
01:08:26
Legends and um I don't even do they even
01:08:29
have a store? They don't even have a
01:08:30
store.
01:08:30
>> No, it's just a client.
01:08:31
>> Ubisoft has a client that is slowly
01:08:34
dying a painful death. Uh but they
01:08:36
always have like you know they've got
01:08:38
Call of is
01:08:40
>> I've lost track of all.
01:08:41
>> I don't even know. But yeah,
01:08:42
>> not real gamers here. Sorry.
01:08:43
>> Not real gamers. Yeah, I just played
01:08:44
Dota 2.
01:08:45
>> Jagex Runescape Old School Runescape and
01:08:48
Runescape 3.
01:08:49
>> Is that a separate launcher for that?
01:08:51
>> They're just launchers, I don't think.
01:08:52
>> Yeah, I don't know. Big news price
01:08:54
increase. Old school Runescape. I know
01:08:55
you're very upset about that, Marquez.
01:08:57
>> Yeah.
01:08:57
>> $15 a month. Same as WoW.
01:08:59
>> Yeah.
01:09:00
>> Worth it.
01:09:01
>> Wait. Same as Wow. How much is it?
01:09:03
>> 15 a month.
01:09:04
>> What?
01:09:05
>> Damn. For old school Ruins game.
01:09:07
>> The game is a banger, man. It's been
01:09:09
around for so long. It's still getting
01:09:12
awesome updates from that. They released
01:09:14
a whole new skill
01:09:15
>> yet. Pokemon Poptopia.
01:09:18
>> Popia. Popia. Have you ever had a dream?
01:09:22
It's just Poptopia. Yeah, Popia is is
01:09:24
like it's if Animal Crossing and
01:09:27
Minecraft like had a baby and then added
01:09:29
Pokemon to it. The dialogue is very
01:09:32
funny. Um I bought it and I regret it
01:09:35
only because I realized I don't like
01:09:37
games like that. However, um the people
01:09:41
are posting screenshots on like all over
01:09:43
social media and is really freaking
01:09:45
funny.
01:09:45
>> I'm obsessed.
01:09:46
>> The AI of the Pokemon the I threw up.
01:09:49
The Pokemon just like talking to each
01:09:50
other and like weird going on is is
01:09:52
really funny. Kyogre has a southern
01:09:54
accent for some reason. Magic carp says
01:09:56
yo a lot. I don't know.
01:09:58
>> Oh, this is like Animal Crossing, right?
01:10:01
>> It's Animal Crossing with Pokemon, but
01:10:03
everything is block based, so it's kind
01:10:05
of Minecrafty and you can make like
01:10:06
minecarts and stuff. So, it's it's
01:10:08
literally
01:10:09
>> first person shooter.
01:10:11
>> Yeah, with guns.
01:10:14
Anyway, um had to drop that. I was funny
01:10:16
the other day. I saw I was like trying
01:10:18
it out and then on my Switch I saw like
01:10:20
Adam is playing Vakopia and I just
01:10:22
texted him. Yeah, me too. And he said,
01:10:24
"Wait, what?" And I was like I was like,
01:10:26
"What are you talking about playing this
01:10:27
game?"
01:10:28
>> Anyway, that is um
01:10:29
>> So, backyard baseball's coming out in
01:10:31
July.
01:10:32
>> I just had to get Marquez back into the
01:10:34
conversation here.
01:10:35
>> Sorry. I'll get to all that once I'm
01:10:37
done powerwashing various things in
01:10:38
Power.
01:10:39
>> Powerwash Simulator.
01:10:40
>> Yeah.
01:10:41
>> So, yeah. Okay. Well, with that, I think
01:10:44
we're going to do uh one more little
01:10:45
break. We'll take it back with one more
01:10:47
story that Marquez can rant about for a
01:10:48
very long time.
01:10:53
But first,
01:10:55
>> yeah,
01:10:55
>> trivia, dude.
01:10:56
>> Trivia, dude. So,
01:10:59
we were talking about the Honor phone,
01:11:00
the little robot boy. Uh, but we
01:11:03
compared it. I don't know if this was on
01:11:05
camera or off camera. People in the edit
01:11:07
will know. We compared it to Wall-E.
01:11:08
>> You're the one in the edit.
01:11:09
>> Yeah.
01:11:10
>> Yeah. you
01:11:12
>> will later people watching later will
01:11:15
know.
01:11:15
>> Oh, more so.
01:11:16
>> Oh, okay.
01:11:16
>> Yeah, cuz I don't know if I'm keeping
01:11:17
it. But anyway,
01:11:19
>> we spoke about it and compared it to
01:11:20
Wall-E.
01:11:21
>> Yeah.
01:11:22
>> What does Wall-E stand for?
01:11:24
>> Wow.
01:11:25
>> One point per correct letter.
01:11:27
>> Like politically.
01:11:28
>> Politically.
01:11:29
>> What does he stand for?
01:11:30
>> Capitalism.
01:11:31
>> Yeah.
01:11:32
>> Returning to nature.
01:11:33
>> I should have just wrote that in Second
01:11:34
Amendment. Joke.
01:11:36
>> Wall-E stands for I didn't even know
01:11:38
Wall-E was an acronym.
01:11:40
Wow. Well, I'll be guessing. Uh, and
01:11:44
we'll learn something around here.
01:11:45
>> Uh, we'll be right back.
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01:13:00
All right, welcome back. Uh, something
01:13:02
really big happened last night. Um, by
01:13:05
the time you listen to this, it was a
01:13:06
couple nights ago. We record this on
01:13:08
Wednesday. Uh, Tuesday night, a historic
01:13:11
performance
01:13:13
happened and I I was talking to you
01:13:15
about this a little bit. And David, I
01:13:16
don't know if you've seen this, but I do
01:13:18
think this is a great opportunity to
01:13:19
explain something in tech terms here.
01:13:21
>> Okay.
01:13:22
>> So,
01:13:23
>> yeah.
01:13:24
>> What happened last night was Bam Adabio
01:13:27
of the Miami Heat,
01:13:28
>> his name is Bam.
01:13:29
>> His name is Bam.
01:13:30
>> Cool. uh scored the second most points
01:13:33
ever by a single player in a single NBA
01:13:36
game.
01:13:37
>> Dang.
01:13:38
>> By himself, he had 83 points last night.
01:13:42
>> That's almost the entire score.
01:13:45
>> Perfect.
01:13:46
>> Wow.
01:13:46
>> So,
01:13:47
>> that's crazy.
01:13:48
>> If you watch the game, what happened was
01:13:50
I was I was sitting at the table last
01:13:51
night and I I was I opened up YouTube
01:13:53
and there was a highlight reel at the
01:13:54
top of my feed that said, "Bam out of
01:13:56
bio scores 31 points in the first
01:13:58
quarter." And I was like, "What?" So, I
01:14:00
clicked it and I watched it and I was
01:14:01
like, "These are unbelievably like he's
01:14:04
just he got super hot." And then I
01:14:06
closed the iPad and I walked away and I
01:14:08
went out about the rest of my night and
01:14:10
then I got a notification on Slack like
01:14:12
an hour later from Alex who said, "Tune
01:14:15
in to Bamabio. He's got 79 now." And so
01:14:20
I go on YouTube TV and I'm like, I have
01:14:21
to watch the Heat game. But I don't have
01:14:23
the Heat game on YouTube TV. It's just
01:14:24
the Celtics game, Celtics Spurs, which
01:14:26
is probably also an interesting game.
01:14:28
And then I hover over it and it's
01:14:30
players in red jerseys and I click on it
01:14:33
and they have literally left that game
01:14:36
to broadcast the last few minutes of Bam
01:14:39
Adabio setting this record. Yeah. All
01:14:42
the time. They did this for Kobe's last
01:14:43
game. So yeah, they they had literally
01:14:45
left the Celtics broadcast to watch Bam
01:14:47
score 83. Yeah.
01:14:48
>> And so I watched the last 2 minutes of
01:14:50
that game and it was
01:14:53
hilarious to watch because everyone in
01:14:55
the arena knew that they were trying to
01:14:57
get the record for BAM.
01:14:59
>> Oh.
01:14:59
>> And everyone on the other team is
01:15:01
hellbent on making sure Bam doesn't get
01:15:04
the record against them cuz that is like
01:15:06
a scar against your franchise.
01:15:08
>> Oh. Uh, and so it was it was funny
01:15:10
watching him just like catch the ball at
01:15:11
half court, get triple teamed, and then
01:15:13
just try so hard to dribble with three
01:15:16
people on him and and chuck up a shot
01:15:18
and and get some free throws.
01:15:20
>> It wasn't the prettiest 83 points. Okay.
01:15:23
>> And it's also by Bam Adabio, who's
01:15:26
probably not the person you would expect
01:15:27
to set the number two.
01:15:30
>> Walt
01:15:31
>> Bam.
01:15:32
>> Wilt Bam Kobe
01:15:34
>> Wilts. Thank you.
01:15:35
>> So yeah, Wilt Chamberlain. uh in like
01:15:38
the what '7s '60s
01:15:40
>> had 100 points in a game. It wasn't even
01:15:43
on camera. There's many recollections of
01:15:44
this and and there's a newspaper article
01:15:46
and there's a picture of Wilt with a 100
01:15:48
but no one got to you know nobody alive
01:15:50
today watched that. Right.
01:15:52
>> Um but Bam out of bio in modern NBA most
01:15:54
who's ever seen.
01:15:55
>> So in tech terms trying to figure out
01:15:56
how to explain how anomalous this was.
01:16:00
>> So what do you have to explain the type
01:16:02
of player Bam is?
01:16:03
>> Yes. how many points that is in a game
01:16:07
and how hard that is to do.
01:16:09
>> And I guess I guess that's pretty much
01:16:12
the only two things you really need to
01:16:13
>> and how uh reasonably likely it will be
01:16:16
to ever happen again.
01:16:17
>> Mhm.
01:16:18
>> Oh,
01:16:18
>> and the conclusion I came to was, and
01:16:21
this is shout out to Adam for helping me
01:16:23
figure this one out, uh this would be
01:16:24
like if we turned around and said,
01:16:26
"Ellis, what's your iPhone's battery
01:16:29
percentage right now?" And you still had
01:16:30
the 12 mini. And Ellis goes, "This is
01:16:34
actually day four of me using the iPhone
01:16:37
12 mini." We're like, "What do you mean
01:16:40
it's day four?" And he goes, "Yeah, I've
01:16:41
got 12% left, but this is my 70th hour
01:16:46
of using this phone." And we're like,
01:16:48
"How how is that even possible, Ellis?"
01:16:50
And he's like, "Well, I woke up on the
01:16:52
first day and I used my phone for a
01:16:53
little bit and then I put it in airplane
01:16:55
mode and I didn't really use it after
01:16:59
that."
01:16:59
>> Uhhuh. So the first half a day was legit
01:17:02
and then the second three days were just
01:17:04
him going, I want to just see how far I
01:17:06
can make it at the expense of my own
01:17:09
sanity and like daily quality of life,
01:17:12
but I just want to see how long it'll
01:17:13
go. And now there's a benchmark result
01:17:15
saying that the iPhone 12 mini has the
01:17:18
longest battery life of any phone in
01:17:20
recorded history.
01:17:21
>> And we're like, that seems a little bit
01:17:23
crazy. What's the asterisk? And then you
01:17:25
go, oh, it's because he was
01:17:27
>> So what's the asterisk for the
01:17:28
basketball game? The asterisk for the
01:17:29
basketball guy is I watch that first
01:17:31
quarter highlights and then I watch the
01:17:32
fourth quarter. The first quarter
01:17:33
highlights are like, "Oh my god, he's
01:17:35
balling out." And the other team's like,
01:17:36
"Yeah, he is balling out, but you know
01:17:38
what can you do? You know, our two best
01:17:40
defenders are sitting." And then you
01:17:42
watch the fourth quarter and it's like
01:17:45
everyone knows to stop him from getting
01:17:47
the ball, but he gets the ball anyway
01:17:48
and he dribbles to half court and just
01:17:50
chucks up a shot and he gets fouled and
01:17:52
he gets two free throws.
01:17:53
>> Oh.
01:17:54
>> And he attempted 43 free throws.
01:17:59
which is the new most free throws ever
01:18:02
attempted in an NBA game in order to
01:18:04
achieve that. He went seven for 22 from
01:18:06
three. He shot less than 50% for the
01:18:08
game.
01:18:08
>> He still got 83 by himself, which is
01:18:11
ridiculous. The next highest player on
01:18:13
his team got what, 12 or something? 18.
01:18:16
But uh
01:18:17
>> So did he just intentionally get himself
01:18:18
fouled a ton of times?
01:18:20
>> Yes. In the last quarter? Yes. And it
01:18:22
was tough. It wasn't like bad to watch
01:18:24
because it was still entertaining as
01:18:25
hell to watch this guy who everyone
01:18:27
knows has a chance at the highest number
01:18:29
to go try to get it. But now we know
01:18:31
what it looks like when a player
01:18:33
actually tries. Even though they're up
01:18:35
by 20, even though he didn't have to
01:18:37
stay in the game, the coach was like,
01:18:38
"You know what? Go get your 80." And he
01:18:40
did it. And now we got to see what it
01:18:42
looks like. And there's a not not like
01:18:44
an asterisk, but like now
01:18:46
>> was the team intentionally giving him
01:18:47
the ball a bunch to try to let him do
01:18:49
this? So, by the time he had 60some
01:18:51
after the end of the third quarter,
01:18:52
everyone was trying to get him the ball
01:18:53
every time.
01:18:54
>> Okay. Okay.
01:18:55
>> There's a really great video by I've
01:18:57
brought up Jimmy High Roller on this
01:18:58
channel before. Uh he does like
01:19:00
basketball analysis videos for fun.
01:19:02
Literally last week he just did a video
01:19:03
on will we ever see an NBA player get a
01:19:05
100red again.
01:19:06
>> Oh,
01:19:07
>> and it's funny because if you go back
01:19:08
and watch that video, he's like Wilt
01:19:10
Chamberlain, say what you want about it,
01:19:12
had the perfect set of of circumstances
01:19:14
to get a 100. He was a dominant player.
01:19:17
There was no answer for him by the other
01:19:18
team. He also played every minute of
01:19:20
every game for the entire season, which
01:19:22
will never happen again. Oh,
01:19:23
>> and if you are going off at a rate of 25
01:19:27
points per quarter, usually your team's
01:19:28
crushing the other team and you just sit
01:19:30
for the last quarter because you're up
01:19:31
by too much. You don't have to play
01:19:32
anyway. So, you need it to be a close
01:19:34
game for you to stay in the game long
01:19:36
enough
01:19:36
>> to actually keep putting up points.
01:19:38
>> Yeah.
01:19:39
>> So, we're, you know, Luca Donuch had 73,
01:19:42
Joel Embiid had 70, Devin Booker had 70.
01:19:45
We've had 70s.
01:19:46
>> How many of those are Knicks players?
01:19:47
>> Yeah. None of them are next players. You
01:19:49
know, it's not impossible. It might
01:19:50
happen. Didn't Cat Cat had 60some, but
01:19:53
as a Timberwolf.
01:19:54
>> Yeah, as a Timberwolf.
01:19:55
>> So, yeah, it's it's really hard to get
01:19:58
those perfect sets of circumstances to
01:20:00
ever happen again. And we just got a
01:20:01
glimpse at like what if they just leave
01:20:03
him in? And it's like just I want to
01:20:06
show you later the highlights of the
01:20:08
last quarter where he dribbles to half
01:20:10
court and three people sprint at him and
01:20:12
he just throws the ball up and gets
01:20:14
fouled. Then he gets two more free
01:20:15
throws.
01:20:15
>> What made it foul him? because they like
01:20:17
>> cuz they were like you you have 65
01:20:20
points. You are not scoring again. You
01:20:22
are not scoring again. And the entire
01:20:23
team's game plan is to force you to pass
01:20:25
it to someone else. So we're going to
01:20:26
triple team you at half court to make
01:20:28
you to pass to someone else. And instead
01:20:29
of passing it, he shoots it.
01:20:31
>> Okay.
01:20:31
>> And he gets fouled.
01:20:32
>> And he got 83.
01:20:34
>> What was the final score?
01:20:35
>> Final score was 150 to 129.
01:20:38
>> That's a crazy not.
01:20:39
>> That's a crazy high score.
01:20:41
>> It is. The the other asterisk is that
01:20:44
the Miami Heat are a real basketball
01:20:46
team.
01:20:48
>> Yeah.
01:20:48
>> The team they were the team they were
01:20:50
playing is the Washington Wizards who
01:20:52
the man the coaching like staff
01:20:55
purposefully made the team as bad as
01:20:58
they could be so they could lose as many
01:21:00
games as possible.
01:21:01
>> Why?
01:21:01
>> Because the more they lose this season,
01:21:04
>> the better they get picks next season.
01:21:05
>> Yes. And the hope being that so
01:21:07
literally the two best players on the
01:21:09
Washington Wizards, Trey Young and
01:21:11
Anthony
01:21:12
>> Oh my god. Anthony
01:21:15
>> Edwards Davis. That Wow. Okay, that was
01:21:17
crazy. Um
01:21:20
>> the two best players on the Washington
01:21:21
Wizards, Anthony Davis, Trey Young, are
01:21:25
not playing basketball right now.
01:21:27
Allegedly, they're like injured.
01:21:30
>> Oh.
01:21:30
>> But they're like not.
01:21:31
>> Do they get in trouble for doing stuff
01:21:33
like this? another team got in trouble
01:21:35
and it was supposed to like you know set
01:21:37
the record straight. But yeah, so that's
01:21:38
the other reason it's like they're not
01:21:39
playing like a team that is like trying
01:21:41
to win a basketball game,
01:21:43
>> but they were still triple teaming him
01:21:44
to try to stop him.
01:21:45
>> That was that was because at the end
01:21:46
they were like we don't want to be the
01:21:47
people that that lost like this but like
01:21:50
>> so they were fine to lose. They just
01:21:51
didn't want to lose like
01:21:53
>> they didn't want to be in the record.
01:21:54
The players do not want to lose, right?
01:21:56
The players are always going to go out
01:21:58
there and do their best. So, the
01:21:59
coaching staff responded by only putting
01:22:01
the worst possible players on the court.
01:22:04
>> That sounds like a uh sounds like a
01:22:06
movie where the the the coaches are
01:22:08
trying to get them to lose, but they end
01:22:09
up coming back through the finals.
01:22:11
>> It happens sometimes and it's really
01:22:12
hard.
01:22:12
>> It does happen sometimes.
01:22:13
>> Sometimes two tanking teams play each
01:22:15
other and they're both trying to lose,
01:22:17
but the players want to win, but the
01:22:18
teams have to lose.
01:22:20
>> Actually, Marquez, it's even worse.
01:22:21
Sometimes a tanking team plays the
01:22:23
Philadelphia 76ers.
01:22:26
>> Wait, I have three questions.
01:22:28
>> Yes. This one I should know.
01:22:30
>> Points in basketball are only baskets,
01:22:32
right? Assists don't count for points.
01:22:34
That's a separate stat. Yes. Cool. Easy
01:22:35
one. Second question
01:22:37
>> was
01:22:38
>> I have it up. How many assists do you
01:22:39
think Bam Abio had that night?
01:22:41
>> Meaning he passed the ball.
01:22:43
>> You're still too high.
01:22:45
>> He had three.
01:22:46
>> Damn.
01:22:47
>> Wow.
01:22:48
>> Um, who was the home team?
01:22:51
>> Miami.
01:22:52
>> Okay. In Miami. This is cool when it
01:22:54
happens at an away team and the away
01:22:56
crowd just gives up on trying to win and
01:22:57
starts cheering for people on the other
01:22:59
team. So that would have been cool.
01:23:01
>> Savage.
01:23:01
>> Third question, and this is an opinion
01:23:03
for you guys, but went really good the
01:23:05
last time we talked about basketball is
01:23:07
Bam as a player compare him to a phone.
01:23:10
>> First of all, I just want to say Bam is
01:23:11
an Olympic gold medalist. Like he's
01:23:13
really good at basketball.
01:23:14
>> Samsung Flip has a gold medal, too. But
01:23:16
>> he's an all-star. But in terms of like
01:23:17
who you would expect to set this record,
01:23:19
it's not who you would expect.
01:23:20
>> So I wanted cuz we did um
01:23:23
>> CJ
01:23:24
>> CJ McCollum.
01:23:25
>> He was the CMF phone 3. Grover loved
01:23:28
that. So if Grover's listening uh who is
01:23:32
BAM as a phone,
01:23:33
>> that's a good question. So if you're we
01:23:36
have to set like what we expect from the
01:23:37
phone. If you're expecting what is the
01:23:39
highest benchmark score from a phone,
01:23:42
then that would be like
01:23:43
>> you just pulled off a flip or
01:23:45
>> I was just going to say Pixel if you're
01:23:46
going by.
01:23:47
>> The Pixel is fine. It's not bad. It's
01:23:49
like one of the top five brands or
01:23:51
whatever, but it would be like a Pixel
01:23:53
setting a alltime highest benchmark
01:23:55
score.
01:23:55
>> It' be like a Pixel 10 having 256 base
01:23:58
storage.
01:23:58
>> Yeah, like a tensor chip.
01:24:01
>> It would be like
01:24:01
>> So he's a Pixel base Pixel 10.
01:24:03
>> It's a tensor chip specifically setting
01:24:05
a high benchmark score.
01:24:06
>> Okay. Okay.
01:24:07
>> You know, or like
01:24:08
>> it's a good phone and you would expect
01:24:10
it to do well, but you wouldn't expect
01:24:12
it to do this.
01:24:13
>> Better than MediaTek,
01:24:15
>> Yeah. It's not It's one of the better
01:24:16
ones,
01:24:17
>> but Wow.
01:24:18
>> It's like good enough that it's kind of
01:24:19
boring.
01:24:21
>> Yeah.
01:24:21
>> Okay.
01:24:21
>> So, he's boring. Is he short?
01:24:23
>> No, he's a he's an allstar. He's just
01:24:25
not like a His previous career high
01:24:27
before this was less than half of 83. It
01:24:30
was 41, which is pretty good. A lot of
01:24:33
NBA players are all star and can get 41.
01:24:36
A lot of players average 30. Nobody gets
01:24:39
83.
01:24:39
>> What makes you an all-star?
01:24:40
>> An all-star means you are one of the
01:24:42
best, you know, seven play I guess it's
01:24:44
like 14 best 14 players voted in.
01:24:47
>> You get votes
01:24:48
>> for that year.
01:24:48
>> For that year. Yeah. So, yeah, he's a
01:24:50
great player, but
01:24:52
>> nobody thought Fun fact that Ellis found
01:24:54
out that you know where Bam is from.
01:24:55
>> New Jersey. Oh, nice.
01:24:57
>> Yeah.
01:24:57
>> Is he really?
01:24:58
>> Yeah.
01:24:59
>> And Bam Marger is from Pennsylvania.
01:25:01
>> I don't know who that is.
01:25:02
>> You don't know who that is? Bam. Who?
01:25:04
You know,
01:25:06
>> I've never
01:25:06
>> Do you know Jackass? The old show on TV
01:25:09
>> of that?
01:25:09
>> Yeah.
01:25:10
>> Yeah. But I know about the famous guys
01:25:12
from that.
01:25:13
>> He's the most famous from that. Him and
01:25:15
Johnny Knox are
01:25:19
got his own TV show on MTV that lasted
01:25:22
like quite a few seasons.
01:25:23
>> How have I never heard of this?
01:25:24
>> Um, and his brother is in the band CKY.
01:25:27
>> I feel like if I show you a picture of
01:25:28
him, you'd be like, "Oh, I've seen him."
01:25:29
>> Wait, sorry. Bam.
01:25:31
>> The reason I probably have brain damage
01:25:32
is because of Bam's search engine
01:25:35
optimization is cooked now that
01:25:37
>> Yeah, Mar just fell off.
01:25:39
>> Mar,
01:25:39
>> well, he fell off.
01:25:42
>> Never seen this guy.
01:25:44
>> Skateboarder.
01:25:45
He's like the best skater in the jackass
01:25:48
crew. Yeah. Okay, never mind. I guess
01:25:50
I've seen a lot of Steo.
01:25:51
>> I just want to say 14-year-old me is so
01:25:52
hype right now. We just covered
01:25:54
basketball, phones, banan margera. Like
01:25:56
that kid is living.
01:25:58
>> Yeah, it was a good time. Anyway, I hope
01:26:00
now David, you uh you you can appreciate
01:26:03
the insanity of what happened yesterday.
01:26:04
>> That's crazy.
01:26:05
>> Are you going to go watch the replay of
01:26:06
the game?
01:26:07
>> Uh I might watch the highlights.
01:26:09
>> I want to show you the last 3 minutes
01:26:11
without like a highlight cut just so you
01:26:13
can appreciate just so you can see what
01:26:15
it looks like when everyone in the
01:26:16
building is like, "Do not let that man
01:26:18
score." And he's like, "I'm a scorer."
01:26:21
It's so funny. So good. Just got to say
01:26:23
when when Adam and I walked in and saw
01:26:26
that Marquez was watching the somehow
01:26:28
already uploaded RDC World One.
01:26:30
>> That's what I was going to say. Yeah.
01:26:32
>> Mark Phillips.
01:26:34
>> Thank you. Thank you for for
01:26:35
commentating every great basketball
01:26:37
moment. This is As soon as something
01:26:38
happens in the NBA, I'm like, what did
01:26:40
he say?
01:26:41
>> Last question. How many points would he
01:26:43
have had if he had 100% free throw
01:26:45
percentage?
01:26:46
>> It was like over He had like 43
01:26:48
attempts.
01:26:49
>> Seven. I can answer that. Yeah. Seven.
01:26:51
So he would have hit
01:26:52
>> 90 would have had 90.
01:26:54
>> I think all basketball players should
01:26:55
have 100% free throw percentage.
01:26:57
>> Okay, bro.
01:26:58
>> That's a I like that.
01:26:59
>> That's my non basketball take.
01:27:01
>> I like that take. It's called a free
01:27:03
throw. It should be free points.
01:27:06
>> But you'd be surprised how bad some of
01:27:07
them are at free throws.
01:27:08
>> I am surprised.
01:27:09
>> Yeah.
01:27:09
>> At all of them.
01:27:11
>> All
01:27:11
>> What's your hockey comparison?
01:27:12
>> All All hockey players should make I
01:27:15
guess there's no like penalty shots in
01:27:17
hockey.
01:27:17
>> No, there are. But it's against a
01:27:19
goalie. So, a a basket is bigger than a
01:27:23
I mean, a goal is bigger than a basket.
01:27:25
>> Yeah, but a goalie.
01:27:26
>> The puck is smaller. Airgo, they should
01:27:27
make everyone.
01:27:29
>> That'd be like if the free throw had a
01:27:31
one-on-one defending.
01:27:32
>> It's not like It's not like a giant
01:27:33
volume knob comes up and blocks the
01:27:35
entire goal. Okay. It's It's
01:27:37
>> the Subaru UI would be a great goalie.
01:27:40
>> Oh my.
01:27:42
>> That's how you round this podcast out.
01:27:44
So, that's how we end right there. I
01:27:46
like your 38 notches, but just remove
01:27:48
the numbers, please. And also make it
01:27:50
smaller.
01:27:51
>> Incredible.
01:27:52
>> Yeah.
01:27:52
>> All right.
01:27:52
>> Somehow Subaru was the biggest bad guy
01:27:54
in this entire podcast.
01:27:56
>> Boooo. Well, Meta was competitive.
01:27:58
>> No. Yeah. Meta. Meta's the biggest.
01:28:01
>> Meta was good.
01:28:02
>> It was close though.
01:28:03
>> I know what I said.
01:28:04
>> It was close.
01:28:04
>> Meta, I know you're spying on millions
01:28:06
of people without their consent, but my
01:28:08
Subaru volume now.
01:28:09
>> 3 seconds.
01:28:10
>> Okay. I need a marker.
01:28:12
>> Why? For what?
01:28:13
>> Cuz it's trivia time. Yeah, baby.
01:28:16
>> Oh, other little last thing. Um, and I
01:28:19
guess we probably should have said this
01:28:20
when the podcast when we started, this
01:28:23
episode's going to be dropping while
01:28:24
we're we're live uh at South by
01:28:27
Southwest.
01:28:27
>> Oh my god, we forgot to mention it
01:28:29
again.
01:28:29
>> Yeah. So,
01:28:29
>> well, it doesn't matter because
01:28:31
>> if you're listening to this podcast,
01:28:33
we're already on stage or on stage or
01:28:36
we're leaving the stage.
01:28:37
>> But what if you already have South by
01:28:38
Southwest tickets and you just don't Oh,
01:28:39
right. Watch this.
01:28:41
>> Yes. If you're not, by the time this
01:28:43
comes out, we will be on stage.
01:28:45
>> If you are watching us outside South by
01:28:47
Southwest and watching this episode at
01:28:49
the same time, I salute you.
01:28:51
>> Then I need you to yell iceberg lettuce
01:28:52
right now. I need you to scream iceberg
01:28:54
lettuce.
01:28:55
>> It will be part of I think Keith Lee is
01:28:57
after us. And if they stay around for
01:28:59
that, this is well over an hour long. So
01:29:02
if you made it this far,
01:29:03
>> we're not on stage anymore.
01:29:04
>> They fast forwarded.
01:29:06
>> Okay. Trivia. Whoa.
01:29:10
>> I don't remember the question. show you
01:29:12
my board.
01:29:12
>> I remember the question,
01:29:13
>> dude. I knew what it was.
01:29:14
>> What was the camera company that um
01:29:16
>> Yeah. Who's partnering with Honor
01:29:18
>> on the robot phone camera?
01:29:19
>> I almost said that and then the the
01:29:20
answer be funny.
01:29:22
>> What's on the honor?
01:29:24
>> Your honor.
01:29:25
>> Your honor.
01:29:25
>> Your honor.
01:29:26
>> I remember being in the briefing and
01:29:28
hearing that and being like another
01:29:30
legacy down the drain. The the camera
01:29:32
companies going with the phone companies
01:29:35
is is the the new the car companies
01:29:37
>> first Leica and Hasselblad.
01:29:39
>> Yeah. Used to be McLaren and Porsche.
01:29:42
Porsche, however you say.
01:29:44
>> Now,
01:29:45
>> Dragon Ball Z.
01:29:46
>> Flip them.
01:29:48
>> Everyone got it right. The answer is
01:29:51
Ari.
01:29:52
>> I knew it first, by the way.
01:29:55
>> I'm sure you did. We're all very proud
01:29:56
of
01:29:56
>> Panasonic had an REI luck collaboration.
01:29:59
>> After that correct answer, the score.
01:30:01
Marquez with 17, Andrew with 19, David
01:30:05
with 21. Oh, I can drink. Nice. But
01:30:09
don't
01:30:10
>> as you sip your
01:30:11
>> That is alcoholic
01:30:12
>> piss colored lemon.
01:30:14
>> The honor robot phone.
01:30:16
>> We've compared it to Wall-E. But what
01:30:18
does Wall-E stand for? That is the
01:30:20
question. One point per correct word.
01:30:24
>> Wow. I'm going to get really far behind
01:30:26
now.
01:30:27
>> Uh maybe, maybe not. What a lovable
01:30:30
little Ellis.
01:30:32
>> Wow, that was good.
01:30:34
>> How long have you been holding that in?
01:30:35
>> Just now. Oh, it just came to me. Oo,
01:30:37
off the top. Thank you. Amazing.
01:30:39
>> I'm really good at acronyms.
01:30:43
>> Why are Legos like eggs?
01:30:48
>> They hurt to step on.
01:30:50
>> I don't know.
01:30:51
>> Nice. All right. Superman Reed, what do
01:30:53
you got?
01:30:54
>> All right. Who wants to go first?
01:30:58
>> All right.
01:31:00
>> I wrote walking.
01:31:03
>> I guess it doesn't walk. I was going to
01:31:05
say you you contradict yourself in your
01:31:08
>> I know
01:31:09
>> walking autonomous.
01:31:11
Wow. Lovable legless.
01:31:15
>> E.
01:31:17
>> Nice.
01:31:18
>> No points for David. Andrew, what' you
01:31:20
say?
01:31:20
>> I wrote we all enjoy. But we w a l e
01:31:28
enjoy.
01:31:29
>> Clever. But no,
01:31:30
>> that's clever. Glad nobody's getting
01:31:31
points. I wrote what and lovable little
01:31:34
engineer.
01:31:36
>> But is it and is the and right?
01:31:38
>> It is not right.
01:31:39
>> Damn. I hedged my bet there.
01:31:40
>> The correct answer is waste allocation
01:31:42
load lifter. Earth class.
01:31:44
>> Earth class.
01:31:45
>> It's in the movie. Wait.
01:31:46
>> Yeah, I know. But I haven't seen
01:31:48
>> child earth class.
01:31:49
>> Well, it's earth dash class.
01:31:51
>> It's like earth.
01:31:52
>> We just get to
01:31:54
>> make words one word by putting a dash.
01:31:56
>> I was going to give it to you if you
01:31:57
said earth. You could have just said
01:31:58
earth and I would have
01:31:59
>> I do remember that he was a trash
01:32:00
compactor. So, waste allocating.
01:32:04
>> Waste allocation. Load lifter.
01:32:07
>> Load lifter.
01:32:08
>> Earth class. Next time you guys are at
01:32:09
bar trivia, you're going to kill this.
01:32:10
>> What was the other one? Eva. Is that a
01:32:14
>> Is she Is that also a
01:32:16
>> also one? I forgot what it is though.
01:32:18
>> I'm going to find out right now cuz it's
01:32:19
going to bother me.
01:32:20
>> Wally kind of talks like um like ET.
01:32:23
>> Eve is extraterrestrial vegetation
01:32:26
evaluator.
01:32:27
>> There it is. Oh.
01:32:28
>> Oh, yeah. because she finds the little
01:32:30
flower, right?
01:32:32
>> I thought she found apple.
01:32:34
>> Sorry, spoilers.
01:32:35
>> Vegetation
01:32:36
>> for the Bible
01:32:36
>> of some kind.
01:32:38
>> Molly is Microsoft and Eve is Apple.
01:32:41
>> Nice.
01:32:41
>> Cuz she's all she's all like smooth and
01:32:43
curved and he's all like blocky.
01:32:46
>> Too late. I have already depicted you as
01:32:48
the frumpy Wall-E robot and myself as
01:32:50
the sleek Ebot.
01:32:53
>> Anyway, that's that's been it for this
01:32:55
week.
01:32:56
>> We obviously went full circle. I if any
01:32:58
NBA players are listening to this,
01:32:59
please try to beat 83 against tanking
01:33:01
teams all year. It's going to be so fun
01:33:03
to watch.
01:33:03
>> And come on the podcast.
01:33:05
>> And also, yeah, come on the podcast.
01:33:06
>> Let's talk ball.
01:33:06
>> If if you break the record, you can come
01:33:08
on the podcast.
01:33:09
>> No, you can come on the podcast either
01:33:10
way.
01:33:11
>> You want Bam to come on the podcast?
01:33:12
>> Sure.
01:33:12
>> I would love that.
01:33:13
>> What about what if we had Bam and the
01:33:15
guy that they traded that everyone's
01:33:16
like, whoa,
01:33:18
>> do it.
01:33:19
>> There's an asterisk that we do not we do
01:33:22
not have a green room here at Waveform
01:33:23
Studios. We This studio could probably
01:33:25
barely hold someone who's over 6'5.
01:33:28
>> True.
01:33:28
>> It's tight,
01:33:29
>> dude. I'm right here. I'm doing fine.
01:33:30
>> Yeah, I'm the shortest one on this
01:33:32
freaking podcast.
01:33:33
>> David's 67.
01:33:34
>> I'm 67.
01:33:35
>> No. No. See, I knew they were going to.
01:33:37
All right. Thanks. Thanks for watching.
01:33:39
Thanks for uh joining us maybe at the
01:33:41
live show at South by Southwest. If not,
01:33:43
we'll see you back for our regularly
01:33:44
scheduled programming. See you later.
01:33:47
Peace.
01:33:47
>> Waveform is produced by Adam Molina and
01:33:49
Elsen. We're partner of Vox Media
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Podcast Network and Entertreated by Vain
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Still.
01:34:02
I can't find an uncut fourth quarter.
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It's all like cut highlight reels.
