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I was watching a scale of the universe video recently. >> Marquez. >> That's all I'll say. I wonder what
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Marquez is doing right now. I could take a guess. I I closed my weather app and open
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YouTube. Watch scale. >> Left ear scale of the universe video. Right ear weather podcast.
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>> Yo, what is up people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the
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Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez. >> I'm Andrew. And oh, never mind. I'm not.
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>> No, you're definitely not Andrew. >> Yeah, he had another child.
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>> Yeah, >> sorry. Did I I bury the lead there? >> Yeah, just definitely jumped straight to
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the top story. Uh, so yeah, if you're watching on video, you probably already
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noticed Andrew is not here with us this week, and that's because he is having
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another baby. And actually, we were in the middle of recording a bonus podcast episode when he got the call that he had
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to go leave and have that baby. Yeah. So, uh, get subscribed to see that. >> I don't know how we're gonna cut that
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into the video, but it's gonna be in there. >> I'm currently editing it, man.
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>> Just bleep, but just like zoom in on Andrew's face like, "Yeah, yeah, no, I
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got to go have a baby now." And he just leaves. It's great. Uh, so shout out to
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him. The baby's healthy. Everything's going super well. >> But we also have a ton to talk about
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this week because for for whatever reason, all of the companies decided to do all the things. And it's not even
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Wednesday yet. >> It's Tuesday. It's crazy. >> We're recording on Tuesday.
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>> I appreciate it, guys. So, we got to talk about uh Google potentially bringing RGB light bar back to Pixel
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devices, which would be sick. Yep. >> Motorola suing some influencers in India.
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>> It's a story. >> That's bad. >> Uh and then Apple new CEO, a couple
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other things like that. So, yeah, small stories, >> I think. Make sure you get subscribed.
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Make sure you're rating us highly or however you think of us on your podcast
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player of choice. >> Because that does a lot for us and uh helps us get the news out and talk about
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stuff to a bigger audience. So, we can be >> y'all in your country. >> Yeah. on your podcast player of choice.
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>> Exactly. >> Yeah. Well, we do this uh you know, did they even test this thing every single
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week? Yep. >> I had two last week, so I saved one for this week. >> And I think that this is probably
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present in many different apps. You've probably experienced this, but I was noticing I was making a partyful event
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because uh no one in history has yet used the Apple invites app. Mhm. >> So, I was using a party I was doing the
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party full event and at the very last stage of making your party full event when you're just about to send it out,
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it has a little like default text message that it sends to everybody that, hey, David's inviting you to this thing,
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but it's like, do you want to modify it and make it custom? And I was like, obviously, yes. I don't want to be, you
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know, like everybody else. So, you you write your stuff in it, but when you when you write your stuff, your keyboard
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comes up. There's no way to get rid of the keyboard. There's no back button and
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there's no like the the next button, the publish button is underneath your keyboard.
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>> This is an iOS bug, huh? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I've tried it on multiple iPhones. It
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persists. And I've had this happen in multiple different apps, but I just think it's funny that there's not even a
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back button and you can't swipe back to get to the last page. You have to fully
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close the app. >> Yeah. >> Reopen it and then modify it again. And eventually I just gave up and I was
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like, I guess the default text is just going out. >> Is that why everyone sends a default? I
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guess so. >> This is weird. I I feel like I want to half blameless on PartyFull, but also
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half on iOS because on Android, there's just a button to close your keyboard on
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the keyboard, >> which is smart, >> but also most iOS apps don't have this
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problem. So, it's half an iOS problem, but also half the developer, not just
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making it above the keyboard. >> Yeah. >> So, both of you, >> yeah, fix that. Make the next button in
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the top right so that you don't have to worry about this. And also make a back
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button in the top left. You know who has a lot of free time in his hands now to fix little things like this?
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>> Adam Molina. >> No. >> Tim Cook. >> Tim Cook. Tim Cook doesn't use this
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stuff. >> Yeah. >> We'll talk about more. Actually, you know, let's just talk about it now. Uh
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Apple CEO >> Tim Cook. >> Tim Cook. >> Tim Cook. >> He has announced that he is stepping
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down in in September and he will be moving to the board. Chairman of the board. >> He will be succeeded as CEO by John
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Turnis. This is we all kind of have been reading that this is going to happen at
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some point. Everyone keeps asking Tim Cook, what's your legacy going to be when you leave? And he's like, I ain't
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going anywhere. >> And then boom, it it's now announced and official. >> Even a month ago, he said, I have no
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plans on retiring anytime soon. >> They do the Apple thing where they're
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like, I cannot speak about future products or events. >> Boom. >> And then it just happens. And we're
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like, ah, you knew the whole time. >> Yeah. >> Um, so many thoughts. I do plan on
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putting together a video, but this is a good sounding board. I want to I want to
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fire some thoughts at you guys and see what you think. So, first of all, >> Tim Cook's career at Apple
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>> pretty goated as a company. >> Like just as far as like people invest
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in Apple. They went from a sub half billion or sub half trillion dollar company to a 1 trillion to a two
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trillion to a three to a 4 trillion company. Crazy. >> This guy is good at steering that ship.
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Supply chain wizard. Shipping tons of products, creating tons of revenue, lots of services. So if you want to analyze
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Apple post Steve Jobs era as a company, they were a very successful company under Tim Cook. Very hard to succeed
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Steve Jobs, but he did that. But uh people are excited for John Turnis as CEO of Apple because John Turnis was the
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senior VP of hardware engineering >> and I've tal I've talked to him about
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hardware many times. He is a product guy like he's into making good hardware
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which is really exciting. Uh, you might have also watched the Tim Cook interview
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where I asked him about products and it became very clear that he is not thinking about that stuff as as often.
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>> The magic mouse. >> Yeah. You can see the gears turning in his head.
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>> Yeah. >> Trying to remember first of all, what is a magic mouse? >> Absolutely.
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>> And then second of all, what do I say about a mouse? >> Yeah. >> And the word he came up with was
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ergonomics. >> Nothing against Tim Cook. >> Possible thing. >> Yeah. Like that's that's not it. like it
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was kind of a meme. But so nothing against Tim Cook, like he has his leadership style. It was very
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successful, but uh you could also kind of see the influence of, you know, Johnny IV leaving and like the sort of
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new design language of Apple products. I think the MacBook Pro is a really good example. Yes.
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>> Of the design language at Apple changing. >> Yeah. >> Going from being super thin and sleek,
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too thin for its own good and thermal throttling and and keyboard issues because of the butterfly switches, all
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this stuff. Yeah. >> And now being like thicker, having real ports, being super powerful and Apple
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silicon, you know, coming up and being super important. >> So, a lot of good stuff happened under
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Tim Cook, but now I think it's it's even more exciting for product focus for
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sure. Yeah, we haven't really had a product CEO at Apple since Steve Jobs, which I mean, it was only Tim Cook in
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between. So, there's that. But it, you know, Steve Jobs made a lot of interesting weird stuff and I think it
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would be cool to have more interesting weird stuff. We had Vision Pro. >> Yeah. uh they possibly committed a
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little too hard to Vision Pro because Apple doesn't like to ship anything that
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it doesn't think is going to be a hit. >> That's I've been thinking about this a
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lot and like the the companies that we cover, we talk about Google a lot. We talk about, you know, Samsung a lot here
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in the US. There's a lot of companies who ship a lot of products and famously
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kill them. Like the Google graveyard is immense. >> And the these companies kill products
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for various reasons. Maybe they're just not scaling well. Maybe they're a total
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failure. No one used them. Maybe they're a negative impact on the company, whatever. But they kill products all the
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time. When Apple kills a product once in a while, it's like this huge deal. Even
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when they only kill like a wireless charging pad they're going to make. >> Yeah.
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>> It becomes kind of lore, >> which they don't acknowledge until like
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years later. >> Yeah. They're like ashamed of any little failure that they've had where they
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announced something and then it didn't work. Apple intelligence is the latest
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massive embarrassing failure. >> Yeah. >> So, Apple doesn't really make that many
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things and I was I was thinking about this analogy. I'm I'm gonna throw it off
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to you guys and see how it hits your ear. >> Uh Samsung and Google are like YouTubers
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that upload every day. They're like daily vloggers. >> Yeah. >> They'll throw out a new thing. If it
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works, great. They'll throw out another thing the next day and another thing the
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next day and another thing. And you can never really get too hung up on if one of the things fails. And if something
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scales and does super well, >> great. We might do a follow-up of that. We might do it again the next year.
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>> But they're kind of just uploading all the time. Apple is like the YouTuber
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that uploads every six months, >> Michael Reeves >> or every four months, right? Just like
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every couple months and just straight bangers. >> And it's fine. It's usually bangers.
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They clearly spend a lot and like really commit a lot of the company and a lot of
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the future to it. And they have future plans and they're like, "This is a huge
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commitment, blah, blah." And they they use that language, too. They're like,
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"This is revolutionary for us. This is a massive deal." And so when one of them doesn't quite
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hit, >> you kind you can't hide because the next thing is months away. And you did you
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did just talk pretty grandly about it. And so it's kind of like a little bit
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embarrassing because you So that's why I think they don't they don't try as many
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different things that I want them to. I wish Apple made >> camera, a printer, a whole bunch of
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other random stuff that they don't make like a HomePod with a screen. Like there's tons of stuff that I would like
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them to try, but they're not the daily uploader. They're like behind the scenes
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scheming for months on the big upload. Yeah. >> Is that a valid? >> For sure. Yeah. It's like the weight of
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your expectations. I kind of I think Christopher Nolan could maybe be a good analogy for Apple
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>> because it takes a really long time for them to come out with a new thing. When
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they do, they try really hard to have some revolutionary innovative thing. They're almost always bangers, but
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there's always a movie like Tenant that you're like, "What is this for? Who is
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this for? >> Shut the up. >> I haven't seen it, but rules if you know
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it. >> I haven't actually seen it. I just >> But that's the Vision Pro,
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>> but it's not Interstellar. It's just not. >> No, I mean Interstellar is like the
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iPhone, you know. Tennant is the Vision Pro. >> Most people don't understand it.
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>> Yeah, that's good. And some people Yeah. Some people never try it and have just
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heard bad things about it and they're like, "Why do I spend the money?"
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>> Like me. >> Yeah. So, yeah. I don't know. I mean, I It's interesting because I don't
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necessarily foresee Apple shifting to trying a lot of new stuff again. It's like again it's the weight of your
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expectations and because Apple has only shipped bangers generally, you know, there have been some weird things here
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and there. People scrutinize the hell out of them when they don't ship good stuff.
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>> Um, and there are like a million iPhones now. Like I was kind of thinking about
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this, they didn't necessarily expand into a ton of new product categories, but the products that they do have, they
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have sort of decided to fill that every price point thing that like Samsung does. So safe.
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>> Yeah, it's it's very safe. >> Yeah. Instead of making a a folding
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phone and a flat folding phone and then a skinny phone and then a flipping phone
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like Samsung, they're just like, "Here's the iPhone and here's the other iPhone
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and the other iPhone and the other iPhone." >> And that's Tim Cook's version of a
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variety of products. >> And one could argue that there are almost too many SKs of all of these
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devices at this point. >> I think that's a fair argument. >> I kind of think we have too many. I
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don't think that the iPhone um what is the the cheap one now? What is it called? Well, there's the B the 17e and
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then there's the base iPhone and then there's the Air now and then there's the
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Pro and then there's the Pro Max and there's the iPad and then there's the
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iPad Air and then there's the iPad Pro >> and then there's the MacBooks that kind
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of like start the price ladder is real and they do make a lot of money selling a lot of stuff but it doesn't feel like
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a real variety. >> Yeah, there was a good there was a really good um Snazzy Q video a few
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weeks ago about how the Neo kind of destroyed the MacBook Air. >> I like that. Yeah,
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>> because you know the Air when it originally launched was that Manila folder like it was breaking barriers
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like thing and now it's you know it's it's thinish but it's not insanely thin
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and it's good and it's got a bigger screen but it's like more expensive in a
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weird way and at this point they I think they need to they need to lean into Turnis' hardware engineering background
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to actually like if if they're not going to expand a new product categories again
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I would like to see them reinvent their current product categories they have make the air like insane again. You know
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what I mean? And it's it's surprising that when the Mchip revolution happened,
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>> they didn't actually take that opportunity to, you know, make the Johnny IV era of everything being Omega
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thin just like, oh, a normal computer, but it's Omega thin. >> Yeah, >> I'm glad that they went the thick boy
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MacBook Pro route because we're power users and we like to have that extra headroom. But, you know, they kind I
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mean, they have an opportunity now to make the MacBook Air super super super thin and still faster than the Neo.
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>> Yeah. Yeah. The There are so many and this is as a product reviewer, you see a
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lot of this, there are so many products from Apple that shipped in the last couple like 10 years that are simply the
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same product with a new chip or like or like shuffling parts around the same couple of things. So you'd review uh I
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and you see a lot of this language from Apple because they kind of also in press
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land like pretend other companies don't exist a lot of times. So they'll say
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this is our new product. It has this from our other product and this other thing from our other product and now
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>> it's the new thing even though it's using old things. >> Like okay iPhone 17e they'll just go
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it's the screen from this old iPhone and the chip from this other iPhone and the
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camera from this other iPhone and now it's a new phone. parts phone >> and that's Tim Cook genius at work. We
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are, you know, supply chain maxing right now. That is what they do. >> So yeah, now they're a 4 trillion dollar
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company. A little bit uninspiring. I think they do have big swings every once in a while, but I'm excited for
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>> a little bit more variety potentially. >> Yeah. Yeah. Should we just Some people
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were also saying like now that Tim Cook is just sort of the chairman of the board, he can go do all the political
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things, right? because it was it was always kind of weird to have him being the CEO and also having to deal with
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like the administration, all the stuff like that. Now the CEO of Apple can just focus on running Apple
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>> and Tim Cook because he's still sort of affiliated with the company can go deal
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with all the politics. >> Yeah, that's what I'm curious about what
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the job actually is because I didn't really get to ask Tim that, but I kind of just want to ask like what is
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>> running Apple like? like is is John Turnis' job going to become way less
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input on new hardware and ideas and way more running Apple because that >> is part of the job. You got to do a lot
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of that sort of stuff. So I'm curious about that. >> Yeah. John Johnny Suji is taking over as
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head of hardware. He was the guy that he's always in the the labs in the video
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talking about the M chip. >> Yeah. Surrounded by Mac Pros and Prois Display XDRs.
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>> Yeah. Which the Mac Pros are. What are they going to do now with the Mac Pros?
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>> This just going to be Mac Studios. >> Yeah. They look so much more impressive.
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I know. They really do. They're great background video props, though. >> Yes, they are. Cuz they look really
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cool. But he's taking over as head of hardware, which is really interesting because, you know, he's great at making
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chips. Obviously, that's his thing. >> But the question is like, do his
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hardware chops match up? You know, that's going to be really interesting to see.
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>> Are there products that you wished Apple would make that maybe they have a better
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chance of making now that it's uh someone who's in charge of hardware? >> I mean, I would love a camera.
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>> Same. I they're not going to do it probably because I think that the camera
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market like I think Canon makes most of its money on their super super cheap cameras, right? Like the the proumer
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market for cameras is not that big. >> Interesting. >> Um and Apple I believe still uses Sony
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for its for its sensors. >> Yeah, >> Apple has the you know they they seem
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like the company that could start making their own sensors. >> That would be that would be sick. That
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would be sick. I mean, putting their DRAM directly on the chip and making it go straight to the camera and being
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>> doing computational photography on a large sensor sale size. That could be
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interesting. >> An A18 might have enough juice to be like a pretty sick image processing
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engine. >> Oh, it already is. >> Yeah, it already is. But, you know, add
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way more pixels and way more. But could it do you think it's powerful enough to
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function on a like an APS-C sized sensor? >> Probably. Yes. If you dedicated the
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entire chip to image processing. Yeah, I think so. >> That's what I'm saying. They definitely
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got enough A18s lying around, >> but even just to make the iPhone camera better, you know what I mean? I mean,
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they probably have like a relatively deep level of integration based on, you know, how early they get the chips from
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Sony and what they talk to them about and what they want them to build it on. >> But, uh, I would like to see deeper
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integration of that. And then maybe, yes, maybe they could make another camera cuz remember they did make a
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camera that was made by Fujifilm. >> Take is that what it's called? >> Yeah, it was a Fujifilm camera that was
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Apple branded. I was going to say they're never going to make a camera because they would just tell you that
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they make a camera already just >> Yeah, that's true. >> That is
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>> Well, okay. Yeah, I was >> not a big enough market either. >> I was watching um the AirPods Max 2 came
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out and there's there's reviews out there now and it's basically like yeah,
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they're the same >> and I'm like this is such a Tim Cook thing. Like they're just reusing they
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have all these okay H2 chips ship them. like it's the same product over and over
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and I'm like why like what would what would convince Apple to actually spend
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interesting money developing new like what would convince Apple to make good AirPods Max
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>> competition >> competition feels like competition >> it's out there now like it's not
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necessarily all in the same buckets like they are the only ones doing this metal
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build uh weird case thing uh but their battery life's not competitive But their sound quality is decently
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competitive, but the integration with the iPhone has always been the thing that's not you can't really compete with
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it. >> It's weird. Their walled garden allows them to not really have competition.
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Even if there are other headphones that are sound just as good, have just as good connectivity, you know, battery
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life lasts just as long, the integration is always going to be them only. And so,
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you can't really compete with that. Yeah, at the end of the day, >> I just feel like if I worked at Apple
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and I was like, you know, biting at the chomping at the bit or whatever it's
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called to like make real improvements to AirPods Max and then the order comes down from Tim Cook and he's like, "Same
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design, same case, same everything. Just throw the H2 chip in there and call it a
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day. We're going to ship millions of these." And we're like, "Dang, I really
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want to do something interesting." I feel like maybe that's the door that can
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be opened by this. >> Could be. >> Maybe it's safe to keep shipping the
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same thing over and over again. Yeah. >> I mean, um, there's some crazy statistic
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about like AirPods Pro and how they would be like one of the top 15 companies in the world or something if
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they >> were just a company. >> Yeah. >> So, yeah. I don't know. I I personally
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think that we're overindexing a little bit on his decision-m when it comes to
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hardware design and stuff like that. I think >> Apple is probably a complex enough
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organization that >> these decisions mostly get made by like the middle managers and he just approves
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things. He just signs things. You know what I mean? >> Yeah. Some of my earliest to CEO
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interviews when I actually got answers from them, I would ask them like what that's like being a CEO and it's like
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honestly most of the decisions don't get to you and if they do they are the hardest decisions that had to be passed
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up the chain where it's like >> you know decisions about the future of
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the company or like really difficult technical or moral decisions about what products they should do where if it's
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just hey you know there's a simple update for AirPods Max out there we can just like take that market share and
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keep going. Should we do it? That doesn't even really make it to him. No. And that's how you end up with him
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going, "We make a magic mouse." >> Yeah. >> Oh, >> what is that?
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>> What is that? >> Am I the only one thinking not a lot is going to change?
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>> No. I That's what I mean. Yeah. There's very much like as a $4 trillion company,
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you are a thousand% like a huge boat with many small ores and no one person is going to steer the whole boat in a
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totally new direction. It's very fair to assume that this is going to be a smooth
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>> handover with minimal risk to investors and minimal changes in almost everything.
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>> We're not talking about all birds over here. Okay. >> Yeah. The opposite. That's the opposite.
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>> So, I think, you know, I don't even know what the stock price is doing, but I'm
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sure investors are like, uh, how is this going to go? Are they >> I'm sure Tim Cook is also going to give
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a ton of guidance about supply chain stuff. Like, he's still going to be involved.
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>> You still got to do Tim Cook things. Speaking of Tim Cook things, I pulled
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some quotes from their uh PR release that I just found interesting. Mainly, Apple services has been a major force.
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>> We didn't even talk about services. >> Yeah. Apple services has been a major
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focus area of cooks. And during his tenure, the category has grown to become a more than 100 billion business. The
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equivalent of a Fortune40 company. >> Yeah. >> Just the services. That's insane. Tim,
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that's 30% of every tap you do on the iPhone. >> Yeah. Yeah, exactly. >> I mean, it makes sense. Yeah, we didn't
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even talk about the services. He really did grow all of those monthly ecosystem services. It's crazy. I I wonder I think
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Fitness Plus might get reduced soon to be honest cuz they put a lot of money into that and that seems to be one of
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their weakest services. >> Yeah, Apple TV Plus also spends way too much money. Um, but I think that they
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like kind of being the new HBO, >> so that's probably fine. >> You know what I also think about a lot
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randomly? There's a lot of companies they could acquire. >> Yeah. >> To just like like a Pelaton or like a
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random like fitness related company that could really boost their quality of product, but they never seem to do it.
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>> Yeah. >> And I that's another thing. I don't know if that's going to change at all.
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>> I feel like they don't want to do that cuz they don't want to dilute their own
00:21:06
brand. You know, it's kind of risky to do that when Apple already has such a
00:21:10
like really really good identity. And if Pelaton gets in trouble for doing something Pelatony, because they always
00:21:17
have, >> um, then Apple gets the flack for it. And doing that to Beats was like the
00:21:21
last time they did something like that, which a long time ago. >> Yeah, that was a long time ago. I guess
00:21:25
I just mean like if they have a really weak product offering like people are talking about this with AI, but just if
00:21:30
they have a weak product and there's a company that's way smaller but that's
00:21:33
doing a lot of really good stuff that they're not doing. >> They can copy some of it. They can like
00:21:40
make their own version of it that ties into the iPhone or whatever. But I always think of them as the iPhone
00:21:44
company. And if they ever wanted to like quickly expand and make a whole bunch of
00:21:49
way better things, maybe that's a route. But they Yeah, they never seem to do it
00:21:53
last. I mean, cuz when you think about it, it's like, what could they really
00:21:56
expand? Like, you ask me the question, what product would they make if I if I could wave a magic wand? What would you
00:22:01
want them to make? Cuz I just I don't really know of a lot of product. >> Alarm clock.
00:22:05
>> Like just a dedicated alarm clock. >> Yeah. I want >> They'd say your phone's an alarm clock.
00:22:08
>> I know. But I think the idea that like instead of expanding into more services,
00:22:12
they expand into more hardware peripherals is like >> You think they do that?
00:22:16
>> No. >> That's kind of what it's want. Yeah. And it's it's what I think someone like
00:22:21
Turnis would be positioned to do, but I don't think I think you're right that
00:22:25
like anything they do dilutes the power of the iPhone. >> Of the iPhone. >> Yeah.
00:22:29
>> Yeah. Totally. >> It's the everything device. >> Also, it's funny to think of them as the
00:22:33
iPhone company because I think there's an argument to be made that Apple is actually an earbud company that just
00:22:40
happens to make watches as well. >> Well, both of those companies are just
00:22:45
accessories to the iPhone. I know, but like like you could make the argument that like while the iPhone is like a
00:22:50
gamechanging thing, it still is not like global market share. Whereas >> the bestselling audio product and the
00:22:55
bestselling watch of all time are both Apple products. >> Yeah. >> True. But both of those markets combined
00:23:01
are like a fraction of the size of the smartphone market. >> The Apple Watch only works on the
00:23:05
iPhone. So you you need to sell an iPhone to sell an Apple Watch. >> Yeah. So
00:23:11
>> yeah, it's like they they obviously had a ton of success with the iPhone and
00:23:16
they will never ship something that steps on the feet of the iPhone, >> but every time they do ship something
00:23:21
new, their first move is to make it the one that works best with the iPhone. So that if you have an iPhone, you are more
00:23:28
likely to get this one than any competition. That's true about their headphones. That's true about their,
00:23:32
>> you know, the way the Macs and the iPads talk to the iPhone and the iCloud and
00:23:35
all this stuff. Everything is a part of this ecosystem and that's their strategy
00:23:38
number one. I want to see a return of the HomePod and more form factors for the HomePod. I want to see them properly
00:23:46
compete with Sonos >> where you can wire that all over your house. >> I feel like that's the next step for
00:23:50
them. >> Yeah. >> A TV. Everyone thought they were going to make a TV for a while. They never did
00:23:54
that. >> Well, then they just made the Apple TV, which is a TV, you know. >> Yeah. But what if I mean
00:23:58
>> they make the Apple TV? Apple TV and Apple TV. >> And Apple TV Plus.
00:24:03
>> No, not Plus anymore. They killed the Plus. >> Oh, just Apple TV.
00:24:05
>> It's all Apple TV. >> So you can watch Yo Dog. I heard you like Apple TV.
00:24:09
>> So you can watch Apple TV on your Apple TV. Call you Apple TV. >> I think I I got that trivia question
00:24:14
from a tweet that was like Apple makes three products called Apple TV. None of them are TVs.
00:24:19
>> Steve Jobs would lose his mind if he >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So they, you know, there's lots of
00:24:25
things that I I'm curious if they're going to start to jump into or like dip
00:24:29
their feet into and we'll see. >> Yeah. Well, I hope that um John Turnis
00:24:32
says good morning very loudly. That's the only >> He's got to have a new entry. There's no
00:24:36
way you can. That's like a That's like a rapper's signature line. >> True. The endos.
00:24:41
>> You can't take his bar. >> What is up? >> You need a new bar.
00:24:44
>> Yeah, he did. He did uh I forgot what he said when he did the the MacBook Neo
00:24:49
event. Did he say what did he say? I don't remember. >> That wasn't streamed. So,
00:24:52
>> it wasn't streamed, so I I don't actually remember what he said cuz I
00:24:55
didn't take video of it. Did he say, "Hi, everyone." >> Probably something like that.
00:24:58
>> That sounds like That sounds like what he said. >> What are the odds he gets on stage and
00:25:01
goes, "What's up? >> I need it." >> Not zero. There's definitely a Poly
00:25:07
Market link somewhere. >> Yeah. So, he takes over in September. So, I >> Good thing Apple does nothing in
00:25:12
September. >> Yeah. Um I'm curious what happens at Dubdub. Is it going to be Tim that comes
00:25:18
on stage? Probably. >> I don't think Tim has he come on stage at Dub. Oh, really?
00:25:22
>> He comes before the video starts. >> Oh. Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
00:25:25
>> Doesn't Doesn't he open Dubdub? >> Yeah, he comes. So, it happens in real
00:25:29
life. >> I thought they always Dubdub the video thing always starts with Tim on the roof
00:25:33
or something. >> Yes, it does. Also, he comes out in person. >> Yeah. So, what happens is when you go to
00:25:38
the to WWDC in person, they start everyone's sitting in the same space and looking at the same screen and they
00:25:44
actually have someone come out on stage, usually Tim Cook or Craig Federi because
00:25:48
it's Dubdub and they come sometimes both and they come out and they say, "Welcome
00:25:52
to WWDC. So happy to have you all here." They'll say like one or two generic
00:25:56
lines and then they'll walk off stage into the front row and then they'll
00:25:58
start playing the video that everyone sees on the stream and then it's Tim Cook and him again on the screen. Yeah.
00:26:03
So lately, so the MacBook Neo event, they had, you know, the announcement videos and everything, but that no Tim
00:26:10
Cook to be found anywhere. It was just John Turnis on stage and I think one or two executives with him, but he was
00:26:16
clearly like the welcome everyone to the thing that I'm showing you person >> test bed.
00:26:22
>> Uh, so yeah, that happened once. That'll probably happen again in September, I
00:26:26
believe. Dubdub. Well, yeah. I don't know. >> I think there would be a lot of hype if
00:26:29
he came out. >> If John I think that's probably what they'll do. >> I think that's probably what they'll do.
00:26:32
Yeah. Yeah. >> But Dubdub is like a software thing. Is that >> it is, but you're kind of like the he
00:26:38
kind of sets the tone of like welcome to the thing and then passes it to the software people.
00:26:42
>> So you're saying John Turnis will come out or Tim Cook will come out?
00:26:45
>> John I think John Turnis will come out as the I'm about to be the CEO.
00:26:49
>> And I think Tim Cook has done his last keynote. >> Really? That's what I was going to ask.
00:26:53
So you think like we're not going to get one more Tim Cook Good Morning? I think
00:26:57
No, I think we're gonna get some sort of like cheeky little thing like Tim Cook
00:27:01
is gonna come out and like airdrop the CEO position. >> I could see that. Yeah, that's probably
00:27:08
that'd be funny. Yeah. So maybe Dubdub is the last Tim Cook and the first John
00:27:13
Turnis. >> He's going to send him an Apple events invite to become CEO.
00:27:18
>> He's going to be a meeting with HR on his calendar. I wonder if they'll put
00:27:22
that in the dubdub intro video this year because you know that everyone's going
00:27:26
to like hell out. People are going to be so excited about about the whole thing.
00:27:30
It's kind of this is a cult. >> You know what's funny? The amount of
00:27:33
people who are like, "What about Craig? Why isn't he the CEO?" >> Cuz he's the one who's like the most
00:27:37
charismatic on camera. He's still in charge of all the software. >> Yeah.
00:27:40
>> So that's not >> got Falcon here. >> We just got to pick somebody.
00:27:43
>> Yeah. I'm glad. I mean hopefully he reverses course with Liquid S. So,
00:27:47
>> well, you know, Tim Cook might have had his amount his events that he was going
00:27:52
to keynote set to zero, but you know what else? Uh, you can now set to zero. >> What?
00:27:57
>> YouTube shorts on your phone. >> What? >> Yeah. >> I still watch shorts.
00:28:04
>> On your phone? >> Yeah. >> That's crazy. >> Yeah.
00:28:07
>> Okay. This is what confused me about this because shorts are made for the
00:28:11
phone, right? Yep. vertical video, Tik Tok, Instagram reels, YouTube shorts, all of this stuff is vertical because
00:28:16
it's on your phone. >> Yep. >> They won't give us this feature on TVs
00:28:20
or desktop. >> Yeah. >> So, Shorts is still available on YouTube desktop, right? Like if you're on a
00:28:25
computer, you go to YouTube, you'll still get shorts there >> for sure.
00:28:28
>> But I have the option on my phone, which is what it was made for to turn it to
00:28:33
zero. >> Percolate across all your devices. Oh, >> I imagine the setting is on the phone
00:28:38
and then it but I updated my app this morning and I still didn't have the option to set it to zero.
00:28:43
>> Oh, I have the option to set it to zero. So maybe I'll do that and see if it
00:28:46
populates. >> See if it populates on your on your device on your laptop. But yeah, so
00:28:51
previously, you know, there was a shorts time limit and I'm guessing this is sort
00:28:55
of like a parental thing where parents could make sure that their kids were not just like brain dumping on shorts all
00:29:01
day. Yeah. And the options were in 15-minute increments. And it could be 15 minutes, 30 minutes, 45 minutes, an
00:29:06
hour. >> That's the verb for it, by the way. Brain dumping. >> Brain dumping. Yeah. Yeah. Um, brain
00:29:11
maxing. >> And now, apparently, you can set it to zero. Again, I still didn't have this
00:29:16
option. Um, but I really wish that more social media apps would give you this option because like I've said, sometimes
00:29:22
Instagram really sucks me in for 45 minutes. >> Never going to Well, Instagram leans on
00:29:27
reals and Tik Tok obviously is Tik Tok. So I feel like >> this feels like how it should be though.
00:29:33
Like I don't mind having shorts and reals on my phone. Whatever. >> If you have the option,
00:29:37
>> if I have the option to go to it, I don't like being served it. >> But it affects their bottom line.
00:29:42
Problem >> I guess it's too it's too big of a bottom line. >> Yeah. For YouTube, it's a fraction of
00:29:48
their bottom line. For Instagram and for Tik Tok, it's too much of their bottom
00:29:52
line to give you that option. >> It's surprising to me that YouTube is
00:29:55
even allowing this in the first place. >> We'll flex. >> Yeah, kind of.
00:29:58
>> I like it. We're healthier. >> Yeah. >> You know, >> so yeah, kind of weird.
00:30:02
>> And then you get sucked into a long form. >> Yeah. Uh speaking of something
00:30:07
disappearing. >> Oh, nice. >> Okay. Shorts disappeared for some people
00:30:10
if you want. >> Nothing. Uh we we kind of missed the story last week cuz it happened like
00:30:15
during the podcast episode last week while we're recording. >> Yeah. But it also didn't happen.
00:30:19
>> It Yeah, it's Schroinger's airdrop clone. Uh, nothing last week released an
00:30:25
airdrop competitor called Warp for a few hours. Um, it was gone like 3 hours after they
00:30:34
released it. They deleted all traces of it from social media. Android Authority got a statement from them asking why
00:30:40
they deleted it and nothing said, "Our product team has temporarily removed the
00:30:44
nothing work file sharing application to make necessary improvements based on early user feedback and technical
00:30:49
evaluations." >> That was quick. This is not a permanent removal, but rather a strategic pause to
00:30:54
enhance a product's performance and ensure it meets our high quality standards.
00:30:57
>> So, normally that's just a software update. So, there's more reasons why
00:31:01
they had to remove it. >> I hear, >> yes, >> this is a security nightmare, so we
00:31:06
pulled it. >> Either either legal or security or both. >> Legal or security.
00:31:10
>> Um, the site CyberNews was speculating that it was extremely close to an
00:31:15
open-source tool that was already available and it looked almost identical. >> That's funny. So, it's possible that
00:31:20
they just kind of took the open source tool and released it as their own thing and then they got blowback from it. I'm
00:31:26
guessing it's more of a security thing. Apparently, the way that this worked was
00:31:29
that it would upload the file to Google Drive, uh, send it to the other person, auto download it, and then when it
00:31:36
finished downloading, it would delete it off the Google Drive. >> That's crazy.
00:31:40
>> Which is really weird. >> Really funny, actually. >> It's possible Google just didn't like
00:31:44
this violates their terms of service or something for Google Drive. I'm not sure. I'm thinking, wouldn't that mean
00:31:49
that there has to be some sort of automation to automatically delete something from a user's Google Drive?
00:31:55
>> Yeah. >> Which doesn't sound like Google would be okay with that?
00:31:57
>> No. >> No. I think I think No, cuz you can delete stuff off of your Google Drive
00:32:02
with the Google Drive API. Like I I've built tools that that do that. I think
00:32:06
it's more like I don't think you can build this a I don't think you can build
00:32:10
a commercial service that piggybacks Google Drive. I think that's the >> Yeah,
00:32:14
>> maybe that's why. I mean, it's it's interesting that they even gave the
00:32:17
statement and that they said it is a temporary pause, but you know, it could be an indefinite pause.
00:32:22
>> Could come back, could not. >> Yeah. >> TBD. >> TBD. >> I like how this is now a thing. Like it
00:32:27
seems like everyone has an air drop kind of thing. >> I There is a phone that will Okay,
00:32:34
Embargo will be out by the time we talk about this. uh Oppo's phone, but this is
00:32:38
also not just this phone where there's like a seven or eight page section of
00:32:44
their review guide, which is just clones of Apple features where they'll be like,
00:32:48
"Install this OPPO app on your Mac and then you will be able to use AirDrop on
00:32:54
your Oppo phone and install this OPPO app on your Mac and you'll be able to mirror your Oppo phone on your Mac."
00:33:01
like they they are selectively going in and picking Apple ecosystem features and
00:33:05
then making a like companion app that lets you have a version of that so that if you are in Apple's ecosystem you can
00:33:12
still use Oppo's phone. >> Didn't they make some sort of workound where you can also use your Apple Watch
00:33:17
on that? >> Yes, that's another one. Yeah. So you have a you have a specific app on your
00:33:21
phone >> and then I don't even think you need an iPhone. I think you get the Apple Watch
00:33:25
and then it can work with the Oppo phone. >> Yeah. You need the iPhone when you set
00:33:29
it up, right? And then, >> yeah, you need an iPhone to set it up. >> That wouldn't shock me, but still. Yeah,
00:33:34
>> it's so deliberate. It's like, wow, I can't really switch to the Oppo phone
00:33:38
cuz I use an iPhone and all these accessories. Oh, >> hold on. >> Hold on. We got an answer.
00:33:43
>> Oh, but you can. >> We went so long without any of these. And now seems like there's a million of
00:33:49
them. >> Why is it all happening now? It is strange. It is strange. >> Europe. Europe.
00:33:54
>> Possibly Europe. Possibly Europe. We love it. All right. Well, uh, we got a
00:33:57
lot more stories coming up. We clearly don't want to save the best for the beginning. I guess blow through the best
00:34:04
of the beginning. So, we're going to do something um that lasts longer than uh
00:34:11
Tim Cook's tenure, which is trivia. Does that mean we have to do 15 years of
00:34:17
trivia? >> I kind of Yeah. >> lock in. >> I hope Waveform is still going in 15
00:34:24
years. >> Same. >> Yeah. when I'm 45. >> All right, guys. Tim Cook is stepping
00:34:30
down like we just covered. Uh, and this I thought would be the perfect excuse to
00:34:36
ask a question about the most random fact I've ever learned about Tim Cook, which I got from a Wall Street Art
00:34:42
Journal article came out a little bit ago. It's called Tim Cook on why Apple's
00:34:46
huge bets will pay off by Ben Cohen. Big article when it came out. Um, and the thing that I learned from this article
00:34:53
that shook me to my core >> and one, >> what is Tim Cook's favorite soda?
00:35:03
Hint, while it is a very common soda throughout the US, it is not sold in Apple vending machines,
00:35:11
>> like onampus vending machines. >> That is correct. >> So, does he just get deliveries directly
00:35:16
to his office? He said in this interview he does not get to drink it as much as he wants.
00:35:20
>> Interesting. I do know he grew up like in the Midwest. So, this is probably
00:35:24
going to be a soda I've never heard of. >> He did not grow up in the Midwest.
00:35:28
>> Oh, >> but he's right. Am I wrong with that? >> Don't say it cuz that's mine.
00:35:31
>> He's from the Midwest. >> He's not from the Midwest either.
00:35:33
>> What? >> Guys, >> he has an accent. >> I thought he was
00:35:36
>> not a Midwestern accent. Are you serious? >> Wait, now look it up.
00:35:40
>> I thought he was >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. >> Think about Tim Cook's accent and now
00:35:43
think about cartoon characters. >> Yeah. Okay, I get it. Is he really? Yeah, I guess he is.
00:35:48
>> That makes sense. That makes sense. That makes a lot of sense, actually.
00:35:51
>> All right. Well, answers will be at the end like usual. We'll be right back.
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Rules and restrictions may apply. Welcome back, everybody. Um, we all know that Google could really do some stuff
00:37:02
to make its pixels more appealing. And specifically, they could bring back features from the old Nexus days that
00:37:08
would make it even more appealing. I can think of so many. What's your number one
00:37:11
feature? >> Glowing track ball. >> Track ball. Oh, >> Nexus One.
00:37:15
>> That would be cool, but they're not doing that. >> Oh, darn. Can I keep guessing?
00:37:18
>> You can keep guessing. >> Uh, boom sound from the HTC1 Play Edition.
00:37:22
>> That'd be cool. >> It's not that. >> No. Sorry. >> Damn. Uh, physical keyboard from the G1.
00:37:27
>> You really want that? No, really? No, I don't. You're right. No moving parts.
00:37:30
Um, >> yeah. >> Okay, hold on. >> Think about something that costs 1 cent.
00:37:36
>> Half stage uh like two-stage shutter button from the Motorola Droid. >> That'd be sick. But they're not doing
00:37:42
that. >> Damn. Yeah. >> Not even like What about an accent power button? Maybe that'd be nice.
00:37:47
>> I'm not sure. >> Okay. They've done a lot. Remember the Panda Pixel and then there was like a
00:37:51
little orange power button. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I want that. Bring it back.
00:37:55
>> They can bring that back. Squeezing the sides. That was bad. >> I That was bad.
00:37:58
>> It was fun. It was fun. >> It never worked. >> But it didn't work as well as I was
00:38:02
hoping. >> Sle was so There's a video of Adam and I in Central Park shooting my Pixel 4
00:38:06
review and just doing this and it not working and it's so bad. >> That was an error. Truly,
00:38:12
>> the best part of that video is that the only way for some reason that it worked
00:38:15
was if you leaned over it specifically in this way that made you look like a mermaid.
00:38:19
>> So there's a shot where you're just like leaning on a rock like a mermaid waving
00:38:23
at the phone. That was one of those like you see there's so many tech demos of
00:38:27
like where they try to like gracefully show you the feature and they're like
00:38:29
boom and it doesn't work the first time. They're like oh sorry I just got to like
00:38:32
do it a certain way. That was one where they would try it like six times and it would work once maybe and you'd go I can
00:38:38
tell this is going to suck. >> It was so bad. >> Okay. What is it then?
00:38:42
>> Okay. It's LEDs. Multiolor LEDs. >> Yes. >> For notifications. Customizable.
00:38:48
>> Yes. >> Well, maybe customizable. >> I'm in. >> Yeah. I'm super in. So, there was an APK
00:38:53
APK tearown of the latest Android 17 beta 4, and there's a section in it with
00:38:58
a whole page that specifically mentions pixel glow lights, which will alert you of important notifications when your
00:39:04
device is face down. >> Pixel glow. Oh, when it's face down. >> Yes.
00:39:08
>> Okay. So, it's on the back. >> Yes, on the back. There should be a
00:39:10
light bar >> and a bar would be nice. >> Oh, I was picturing cuz like I there's a
00:39:15
couple that have had like pin lights or like the glowing track ball as an example, but like a little dot. So, it
00:39:20
would just be like the yellow lightning stuff. Oh, no. >> A bar. >> It's a bar.
00:39:25
>> That's what it's supposed to be. So, so it's going to be RGB. Um, they said that
00:39:28
you can have it for notifications, for different types of notifications, uh, like phone calls from different
00:39:33
favorites as well as it should animate while you're interacting with Gemini.
00:39:37
>> Oh, yeah. Of course. All wavy, you know, do the thing. >> Wow. >> And I just think that that's a pretty
00:39:43
sick feature. >> Tim Cooking never. This is crazy. I know. I really like this idea.
00:39:48
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, there was a long time where I was customizing Android ROMs or
00:39:52
just had like, you know, software settings where I could decide certain apps would glow my notification light a
00:39:58
certain color. So, there'd be like a light blue and a dark blue and a yellow
00:40:02
and a green and so I could know what the flashing color of the light meant and I
00:40:06
can decide to check it or not. >> Yeah. >> So, this is like a bring that back. If
00:40:09
this is user customizable and maybe there'll be a ROM that allows it to be user customizable, which might bring
00:40:14
back ROMs. Who knows? That'd be pretty cool. >> That'd be sick. Um, I think it would
00:40:18
really help differentiate Pixel devices. They're kind of like that at that point
00:40:22
they're more customizable than nothing phones. >> Yeah. >> So, it's like what's nothing got on
00:40:26
them, you know? >> Yeah. I mean, the Nothing phone has the screen on the back with like
00:40:32
>> a bunch of Yeah. like this. It's this mini display and you have these uh apps
00:40:37
that you know you get essential notifications from. It's interesting. I think that's at least interesting. Most
00:40:42
phones don't have anything on the back that you can tell like what notification
00:40:45
you got. So, I'd like another version of that. Yeah. Can I be devil's advocate
00:40:48
here? >> Sure. >> Try. >> So, what? >> I'll defend it. I'll be devil's devil's
00:40:53
advocate. >> The double double. >> Yeah. >> Um, okay. So, for the record, great
00:40:57
idea. Bring this back. I love this. But is this just Google praying on our nostalgia?
00:41:03
>> Because we have always on displays that gives us way more information. It's not
00:41:06
the phone upside down. Yeah. >> But just putting the phone up, you can see everything now. Like we have AMOLED.
00:41:12
This is like a solved problem. >> That's valid. Uh, I would say there's a
00:41:16
couple things. One, I don't love always on displays. I started turning them off
00:41:20
on a lot of phones that it kind of got annoying. Either I would like tap the display as I'm putting it in my pocket
00:41:25
and because it was always on, it would light up as I'm putting it away and I
00:41:27
get annoyed, so I just turn it off. >> And I started like leaving my phone face
00:41:32
down. These are face up sitting here, but they're not telling me anything cuz
00:41:35
I turned always on display off. I would like to have them face down and just be able to know cuz I'm waiting for the
00:41:40
Slack notification for Waw Wa orders. I'm like, "Oh, it's the pink notification. I know I should check this
00:41:46
one." >> So, yeah. Are they playing on my nostalgia? Probably a little bit.
00:41:50
>> Probably a little bit. Yeah. >> When I'm like out with a friend at
00:41:53
dinner or something, I pretty much always flip my phone upside down because I don't like that, you know, I can get a
00:41:59
notification and it shows up. And then I think that the reason that this is a little bit better is because being able
00:42:04
to glance and just be like, "Oh, it's an email. That's it. Oh, it's a text. Maybe
00:42:07
I should check it." but not moving your attention to exactly what the text says
00:42:13
on the always on display. You get very distracted when you're like looking at
00:42:16
that. >> Yeah. You can just be like ambiently aware that you got a text. >> Yeah. And it also helps you if you're
00:42:20
interacting with Gemini, you know that it heard you because it's kind of waving
00:42:24
around, you know. >> Yeah. >> And also just uh we like cool pretty colors and that's pretty standard.
00:42:29
>> You know, the back of the phone is a historically underutilized spot. Sometimes there's a fingerprint reader
00:42:33
back there, sometimes there's not. >> Yeah. >> Sometimes there's a little display back
00:42:36
there like the Xiaomi 17 Pro. Sometimes it's not. >> Yeah. So, >> I like something back on.
00:42:40
>> It'll be interesting to see how they, you know, keep it waterproof and
00:42:43
everything while also adding LEDs. I guess it'll have to be under glass or >> behind the Yeah. Yeah.
00:42:48
>> Where do you think it's going to be on the phone? >> I was picturing a bar across the bottom.
00:42:52
>> That'd be cool. Like a thin stripe type of thing. >> That'd be super cool.
00:42:54
>> I like that. >> I think it's going to be above the Pixel bar.
00:42:58
>> Like right at the top. >> Right at the top. That little sliver there on the Pixel.
00:43:02
>> I'm kind of on team bottom. >> Okay. >> Careful. There's nothing wrong with that, Marcus.
00:43:09
Uh, >> just saying careful. >> So, apparently the APK turned on. Also,
00:43:12
>> another one for the super cut. >> Also, >> another one for the David's Freaky on
00:43:16
the pod super cut. >> We We watched that, by the way. If you're out there, we we watched that and
00:43:22
we laughed. >> I don't think most people know this what that is. Uh, okay. So, the APK teardown
00:43:28
also indicated a Pixel laptop that is going to be released. Um, they try this every six years
00:43:34
>> and I buy it immediately every six years. >> Yeah. Um, but what's more exciting about
00:43:38
this is one, it's also supposed to have the Pixel Glow thing, which I'm not
00:43:41
really sure how they're going to do that because computers are just very different with notifications.
00:43:47
>> Well, okay. So, remember the last Pixel laptop? >> Yeah, the cheap one
00:43:51
>> that had the Pixelbook Go. >> No, so the Pixel God, the names. Hold
00:43:55
on. I want to find the name of it. But it had an RGB stripe on the back. >> But but after the CR48. Yeah. Like the
00:44:02
Pixel. Yeah. Laptop. >> Yeah. >> Just so just that again. >> Yeah.
00:44:06
>> But have it >> light up. >> That one didn't actually glow, right?
00:44:09
>> I thought it did. >> The Chromebook Pixel. >> Yes, that one.
00:44:12
>> Chromebook Pixel. >> Did that one light up? >> The no glow Chromebook Pixel is a
00:44:16
Pixelbook glow. Pixelbook Go with Pixel Glow. >> Oh my god. >> It Yeah, it glowed.
00:44:22
>> That's crazy. >> Oh, and it had >> What did it glow for? I don't know, but
00:44:26
it's doing stuff. >> It is doing stuff. >> I got to rewatch my review. This is old.
00:44:29
This is 13 years old. >> So old. >> But yeah, it it lit up. It turned off
00:44:33
when the laptop was off or it would light up with notifications or something on the back. So that's that's the thing
00:44:38
I would like them to bring back. I mean, the big question here is like when I have my laptop closed, I'm like done
00:44:42
with it. You know what I mean? I don't need to like see notifications on my laptop. I already have my phone for
00:44:47
that. But this is potentially going to be their big Android Chrome OS merger. >> Yeah. OS, which means that maybe it will
00:44:56
have a lot more direct compatibility with your phone. >> Yes. Here. Have you ever had this moment
00:45:03
where you pull out your laptop to use it and you open it and it's got 2% battery
00:45:09
and it's about to die? You're like, "Dang, I wish I knew it was about to
00:45:11
die." >> Oh. >> Well, you know how you'd know? >> Yeah.
00:45:15
>> Is if at 10% it just suddenly softly glowed red just sitting there closed.
00:45:19
You go, "Ah, >> I like that." Appreciate that communication laptop.
00:45:23
>> Okay. Am I crazy? >> Yeah. >> You used to you used to be able to do
00:45:28
that on MacBooks. >> What would glow? >> No, no, no. There was a button on the
00:45:32
bottom of the MacBook that you could hit and then it was sort of like the battery
00:45:35
tester. Am I crazy? >> Is that true? >> When you say bottom, you mean
00:45:38
>> Yeah. >> the bottom under it? >> I got to research this. I'm having like
00:45:41
a a >> wrong with the bottom. >> That doesn't sound like a Mac. I don't
00:45:44
remember a button on the bottom. >> There was a glowing Apple logo on the back of some of the early
00:45:48
>> MacBook. Just a glowing white logo. Yeah, that just the glowing bright logo.
00:45:51
>> Yeah, it would have never had any, you know, functionality other than think so.
00:45:54
>> That's exactly what I want from my Chromebook when the battery is about to
00:45:57
die. Use more electricity. >> Well, it's a tiny tiny amount. >> I know. I'm
00:46:03
>> Yeah. I'm just like, what other use case? I guess you maybe you could use it
00:46:07
to invoke Gemini. Like if it's because at the end of the day, they just want
00:46:12
all of your devices to be endpoints for Google Assistant for Gemini, you know? So if you have your laptop sitting on
00:46:17
your desk and it's your most nearby device and it has like always listening or something. Yeah.
00:46:22
>> If you can control your home. Is that a crazy thing? So like what if you know
00:46:25
how a lot of laptops sometimes have like slightly thicker displays and they've
00:46:29
put like compute in the top section of it sometimes like there'll be like a >> not crazy this existed.
00:46:36
>> Oh, I do remember the le the battery indicator. Unlike the the pre202 MacBooks, there was a button on the left
00:46:42
side of the computer that if you hit it would do these like LEDs would light up and tell you your battery percentage.
00:46:47
I'm not crazy. >> That's cool. >> Where were the LEDs, though?
00:46:50
>> Yeah. Where is that? >> Where were the LED? The LEDs were also on the side.
00:46:53
>> Oh. Oh, that's the Okay. The metal ones that Yeah, it's like a sort of a flush
00:46:59
button with like five dots that would all light up. >> That's cool. >> I don't Wow, that's a good call back. I
00:47:03
didn't remember that at all. >> That is cool. They should bring that back. So yeah, the idea of like a Gemini
00:47:07
thing, what if there's a little bit of compute that stays on even when you close the laptop?
00:47:11
>> Always listening. >> So it is like a little always listening, little tiny computer SOC or phone SOC or
00:47:16
something and you can still ask it, "Hey G," and the speakers are still in there.
00:47:20
They're they're going to be muffled, but they could still respond. >> Totally.
00:47:23
>> That could be a thing. >> I think that'd be sick. Or it could be
00:47:25
side firing speakers or bottom firing speakers, so you could still hear it. >> Yeah.
00:47:28
>> Yeah. I mean, Apple has been quietly adding thread radios to all their devices, right? I feel like Google could
00:47:35
like also start adding all of these multifunctual multifunctional radios and and stuff to their devices.
00:47:42
>> Yeah. >> And they want you to have as many access points for Gemini as possible cuz they
00:47:46
want you to use it as in as many places as possible. >> Yeah. They want us to do that all the
00:47:50
time. >> Yeah. >> Was it Nest that had a thread radio in like a thermostat or something that they
00:47:55
just turned on after x amount of years? >> It was the HomePod as well. >> Okay.
00:47:59
>> Yeah. The HomePod was silently carrying a Thread Radio for a long time.
00:48:03
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> There was an Apple product that did that, too, but not with Thread
00:48:08
>> that No, an Apple product released with a radio that they didn't turn on until a
00:48:12
year or so later with a firmware update. >> Wasn't it the I thought I made a video
00:48:16
about the >> It was the second generation iPod touch that shipped with a Bluetooth radio that
00:48:22
they didn't announce or turn on until like a year into >> That's crazy. I know.
00:48:27
>> That's >> I really hope I remember. I'm like my brain is filled with these like 2010
00:48:31
Apple facts right now. I have to go double check all of them. >> That's really funny. Oh, iPod touch
00:48:35
though. Okay. Yeah, I guess it makes sense. I pictured my first iPod which was uh like the tall nano.
00:48:41
>> Yeah. >> Uh that one with Bluetooth would be crazy. It would be wild.
00:48:45
>> You probably do it now. So, yeah. I mean, that's exciting. It doesn't take a
00:48:48
lot to please tech reviewers. You just need to give us the RGB lights and that's it.
00:48:51
>> Yeah. >> You know, >> unfortunately, I am easy to please in
00:48:54
that way. >> Indeed. Indeed. >> All right. What is this headline about?
00:48:58
>> Yeah. Speaking of Motorola um people who are not easy to please. >> Yeah.
00:49:03
>> Motorola in India is suing um social media platforms and o dozens of content
00:49:10
creators over things that were said about the company. Um >> not a good look but what what are the
00:49:16
details cuz maybe I'm missing something. >> Yeah. So it's seeking take down of
00:49:20
content and broader restraint for what it deems false or defamatory material related to their devices. It
00:49:27
specifically called out that it didn't like that people had been publishing videos of their phones catching fire.
00:49:33
Um, which it said were fake. It was saying that these things were fake, >> but it wants to restrain people from
00:49:39
suing and publishing this content, including reviews, videos, comments, and boycott campaigns.
00:49:47
>> So, this is the prime uh example of the uh Mandela effect, right? Or no, no.
00:49:52
What's the if you hide something? Stryand effect. Yeah. Stand back. >> I had not heard about any Motorola
00:49:58
phones catching on fire. >> Yeah. >> And now I'm curious if they're real or
00:50:02
not. >> Yeah. >> Seems like they are insisting that they are not, >> but here we are.
00:50:07
>> There was someone had quoted like last week it was like there's two ways to
00:50:10
respond to criticism. One is to make your product better and one is to make it worse um by you know getting
00:50:17
aggressive. So yeah, it alleges that there are hundreds of posts across social media uh that show Motorola
00:50:25
products in a false and defamatory way. And it says that it did this lawsuit in the interest of public safety, which
00:50:32
doesn't make a lot of sense. >> Uh India is Motorola's second biggest
00:50:36
market, which makes up about 20% of its global market share. And you know, like obviously people on social media, um,
00:50:43
especially big phone fans are can be pretty over the top sometimes, but stopping people from publishing negative
00:50:50
reviews is not a good look. It's a very bad look. >> So, and it it sort of tracks that
00:50:56
they're they're suing them in India because I think that there are probably
00:51:00
looser like freedom of speech laws there. >> Mhm. >> Um, just hope that this does not happen
00:51:06
because, you know, I don't know. It's bad. It's bad to repress speech. That's
00:51:10
>> when I read this, I kind of it kind of reminded me of all the different ways
00:51:14
that like CEOs just respond to things. So like this reminded me a lot of Carl Pay with nothing because
00:51:21
>> that's a company that has turned negative feedback into content in an
00:51:25
interesting way. Like we will occasionally talk bad about nothing products. And there are three things I
00:51:33
know to be true in life, which is death, taxes, and that Carl Pay will turn that
00:51:37
into a YouTube video and just make a bunch of views. Like they turn it into content in a way that allows him a
00:51:42
platform to respond >> without suing creators into oblivion. >> So I think like that's an interesting
00:51:49
way of going about it and Motorola should uh pay attention. >> Yeah, they're owned by Lenovo as you
00:51:54
remember. So >> true. >> Yeah, >> I did not remember that. >> Oh, I completely forgot.
00:51:59
>> I will remind you. And uh yeah, it's just it's just not a good look. You
00:52:03
shouldn't repress people's speech and that's bad. So, we'll have to follow
00:52:05
that lawsuit and see if anything actually comes from it. >> There's one other big story here.
00:52:10
>> Speaking of following something, >> I'm going to talk about basketball.
00:52:13
>> So, I hope you're proud of me. >> Steph Curry, you know, the king as uh
00:52:20
you know, we in the basketball industry call him. >> Oh, boy. >> The king is LeBron.
00:52:24
>> Is that really >> There is another player. >> I'll stop you when you say something.
00:52:28
I'll stop you if you say anything crazy, but you're on the right track. so far.
00:52:30
Okay. Well, he, you know, plays for the Golden State Warriors. You know, he's
00:52:34
been playing for them for a while. He's so good with his accuracy. When he shoots the ball, it usually goes in the
00:52:40
the circle, the hoop. It's kind of crazy how many times he can get it in there.
00:52:44
>> Yep. Yep. >> So, uh, also was an investor in um, Palm. I met him >> also correct
00:52:52
>> during my Palm briefing and he was wearing it as a necklace. >> Yeah. Anyway, the NBA is very uh deeply
00:53:00
rooted in Google sponsorship. Uh they do a lot of pixel stuff. Famously, a couple
00:53:06
of the NBA stars like use pixels every day and they say they actually like it even though people don't think they do.
00:53:11
They they >> they really do. >> They really >> maybe do. >> They really do.
00:53:16
>> They really say that they do. >> Yeah. >> Um and we have been hearing these rumors
00:53:20
of a new Fitbit coming out that's supposed to compete with Whoop. Because remember here on the Waveform Podcast,
00:53:25
we hate Whoop. down with that company. >> We are whoop haters. >> We are Whoop haters certified. Andrew's
00:53:33
not here to defend himself. >> And so >> Andrew famously loves Whoop.
00:53:38
>> Loves I mean he Andrew's obsessed with this. >> We always we always dunk on Whoop. And
00:53:41
he's like sticking up for them, but yeah, he's not here for that. >> So if you don't know what a Whoop is,
00:53:46
it's imagine a smartwatch without the watch. It's the watch band, but it's
00:53:50
thicker. And the idea is like you don't want to wear a smartwatch, but it gives
00:53:54
you deeper analytics about your body. It's got all these different data points
00:53:58
and they're suing like a smaller app company because they think that they stole a lot of their data points. It's
00:54:02
very stupid. Um, but >> it's like if you if you wanted all the the benefits of an aura ring but you
00:54:08
needed people to know you were wearing an >> It's kind of a satisf. >> Yeah, you got to get like an accessory
00:54:16
for that I think to wear like on your chest. >> I'm going to do a weird pivot here
00:54:19
because over the weekend Man City beat Arsenal. So, it was a very hard day for me as an Arsenal fan.
00:54:27
>> Uh, but at the end of it, Holland, who's one of the great players in Man City,
00:54:31
ripped off his shirt, ran onto the field wearing a whoop band, and I was like, he's allowed to play with that?
00:54:36
>> How? >> Well, is that my Are they not allowed to play with those things?
00:54:39
>> I don't know. It's under if it's under your shirt. Yeah. No, that's fine.
00:54:42
>> But they can't play it if it's over your shirt. >> Guys, I don't know if you know this. You
00:54:46
play soccer with your feet. So, I think I think >> Okay. I play I play a sport where uh
00:54:51
before every game they line all the players up, they do the national anthem and then they go down the refs go down
00:54:56
the line and if any player has on any wristband or jewelry or necklace or anything that could get caught on a
00:55:01
finger and like pull >> that makes sense. >> They tell you to take it off.
00:55:04
>> Okay. >> So you can wear it under your sleeve, you can wear it somewhere where it's not
00:55:07
going to get caught, but then if it is out, you got to take it off. >> I have a question about that.
00:55:12
>> Yeah. >> I currently have a bracelet that I cannot take off. Yep.
00:55:15
>> What happens in this case? They will take tape and tape it to your wrist
00:55:18
fully so it can't get caught with like a finger and you take it off >> because it was one of those things where
00:55:23
they like zap it in place and it's there forever. >> Yeah. >> It's one of those brands.
00:55:26
>> You did that? >> There's other people that have that. Yeah. They're like or they just refuse
00:55:30
to take it off or whatever it is so they just get it taped on. >> Whoa. >> Yeah.
00:55:34
>> You did that to yourself? >> Myself. It's just a bracelet. >> It's like being chained to something for
00:55:40
your whole life. >> Kind of. >> To what? >> To the chain. Yeah, I guess.
00:55:45
>> Anyway, that's like a tattoo, bro. Okay. >> Yeah. >> Well,
00:55:47
>> yeah, I have none of those. >> Okay, fair point. Fair point. Anyway, uh
00:55:54
back to Steph Curry. You know, the king >> as we like to call him in the basketball
00:55:58
world. >> I don't want to stop you. I'm going to keep Yeah, that's fine.
00:56:01
>> You know, he shoots a lot of hoops. So, he's got he's been wearing this
00:56:05
unidentified uh >> Fitbit device for many months. >> Yep. You know, there have been articles
00:56:12
that have been coming out that's just like little glimpses of him wearing it.
00:56:16
But then Kellen at Droid Life, shout out to Kellen, one of the most OG phone YouTubers there are.
00:56:22
>> Legend. >> In 2012, I had push bullet notifications for every article that Kellen wrote.
00:56:27
>> Pretty sick. He's still going strong. >> He decided to get a little bit obsessed
00:56:30
with this cuz he's a huge basketball fan >> and uh you know, as we as we all are
00:56:35
here in the way podcast, >> he's specifically a Trailblazers fan cuz he's in Portland.
00:56:40
>> That's tough. >> Okay. Yeah, that's just been tough. Well, he analyzed a ton of Instagram
00:56:45
videos, YouTube videos, and um I think there was even one other thing just a lot of videos on the internet
00:56:51
>> and Getty Images >> Getty images >> of Steph Curry over the last like since
00:56:55
February effectively. And he was able to catch multiple multiple multiple glimpses of Steph Curry wearing this
00:57:02
unannounced Fitbit band that is supposed to compete with Whoop. >> It is much thinner than a Whoop. It kind
00:57:08
of just looks like a pixel watch band, but it's slightly thicker at the top.
00:57:13
And Steph Curry never wears it during the games. I'm guessing for the same reason that you can't wear bracelets and
00:57:18
stuff. >> He never wears it visibly during the games, but there could be a chest strap
00:57:21
or some random >> Yeah, maybe accessory. >> Maybe. Um, but there are multiple
00:57:25
screenshots of him wearing it out and about. There is even an image that Kellen caught where he has an app open
00:57:32
on his phone that appears to be sort of like a new redesign. >> Oh, I watched that video. I didn't even
00:57:37
catch that. Damn. That's good. >> That's crazy. >> Hiding in plain sight.
00:57:42
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. Um, so I imagine that, you know, it's been months since this has been
00:57:48
kind of being leaked and I feel like Google's leaking this on purpose at this
00:57:51
point. >> Yeah. Honestly, this to me is the best case scenario. I imagine he's invested
00:57:56
in Fitbit or some like a lot of Golden State Warriors players, California team are connected with a lot of California
00:58:02
companies, so there's a lot of tech connections. So I wouldn't be shocked if
00:58:05
he's invested in his company or something like that. And >> maybe it's just Google there's some
00:58:08
>> Yeah, for sure. Or they have some partnership, whatever it is. And so Steph organically deciding to wear this
00:58:15
for weeks and weeks before it comes out is >> is the best possible endorsement of the
00:58:21
product. >> Right. >> To me, it's it's elite athlete chooses
00:58:25
to use this product before it comes out before he's probably going to get paid
00:58:28
to do a commercial or whatever about it. he's going to be able to actually say
00:58:32
he's been using it and probably actually like really uses it and cares. >> Yeah.
00:58:36
>> So I Yeah, it's just free promo for them. Google stuff leaks already anyway
00:58:40
all the time. So here we are. >> Yeah. Um but it looks good. I personally I would love something like this that
00:58:47
gives you all the analytics but that you can put on any watch cuz it looks like it's just a watch band size with a
00:58:52
slightly thicker top. >> Well the puck that's where it's measuring everything from.
00:58:56
>> Yeah. Yeah. But if they were able to put that in the bottom part and then you
00:58:59
could just wear a regular watch on the top. I think that would be sick. >> Or maybe even like clip a watch to it. I
00:59:06
don't know how that would work. But >> I guess you maybe could. Yeah, maybe you
00:59:09
could just sew a watch. >> My problem with putting it on the bottom of a watch band is that not all watches
00:59:13
are meant for like sports and stuff. >> So if you're like wearing a watch that
00:59:17
you don't want to smash into a wall, you know, >> I wouldn't want to have my tracker on
00:59:22
the bottom of that. >> But having an option would be nice. >> Yeah. Well, it looks very googly. Um, it
00:59:27
kind of is just like this. I don't even how do you know how to des Can you describe this? It's like a
00:59:32
>> So, it looks like the What's that Apple Watch band called? It's like the uh
00:59:36
trail loop. >> Trail loop. >> It looks like a a trail loop band but without the Apple Watch and instead it
00:59:41
just has this small puck under it. If you've seen Meta's uh wristband for
00:59:46
their glasses, it kind of has like roughly that amount and it's on the back of your wrist where the watch would be.
00:59:51
>> Yeah. >> So, no screen, no time. Again, it seems weird to people who don't use it, but a
00:59:55
lot of people don't want a screen on their wrist, so it just has long battery
00:59:58
and it just sits there and measures your stuff and you check the app when you want to see the info. And
01:00:01
>> yeah, >> yeah, they're finally going to compete in that space.
01:00:04
>> It's funny how out in the open he has been with this, though. Like there's
01:00:07
there's a image of him giving an interview. >> Yeah. Press conference.
01:00:10
>> Press conference and he's just got it on. Crazy. >> Yeah. >> Um,
01:00:13
>> have you guys used the new Fitbit Coach thing? But you've been using it, right?
01:00:18
>> I've been using it. I really like it. >> Really? But to this product's credit,
01:00:24
uh, it pretty much only works with Fitbit devices and or my Pixel Watch. Yeah. >> And I don't wear my Pixel Watch every
01:00:31
day because it's a Pixel Watch. >> Yeah. >> It's like it's fine, but it's not the
01:00:35
one that I'm like I'm usually wearing like a real watch. So, this is like I'm
01:00:39
actually very interested in something like this because Fitbit back in the day to me was this. It was just a random
01:00:46
little tracker that pretty much everyone would walk into Best Buy and buy. you can swap out the bands and everything
01:00:51
like that. Then they started getting like a little bit more smarter and smarter and all this stuff. But like the
01:00:56
core of what Fitbit always was to me was just this little tracker. >> So if I can just have the little tracker
01:01:01
with these in-depth analytics that you get from something like the Pixel Watch, >> I think that would be pretty
01:01:06
interesting. >> Be a win. Probably have a longer battery life, too. >> Yeah. When I when I worked at Intel,
01:01:10
like they they were only like 30 bucks at the time to get the like little pedometer Fitbits that you could
01:01:15
literally put in your shoe. >> Yeah. And then people would be able to and then we had like walking
01:01:19
competitions which is so funny because it's like who can get the least work done. Um which nobody until gets work
01:01:25
done anyway. >> Allegedly this is going to be called Fitbit Air. That's what I think 9 to5
01:01:30
Google found that. >> Interesting. >> Can we come up with different names?
01:01:33
That's my other I think this is there's >> airs means light prot. See the thing about Fitbit. Fitbit's a
01:01:42
good name for a product but it's their company name now. Google Fitbit. So you
01:01:45
can't call it the Fitbit. That would be a good thing to call this. Yeah, >> you got to call a Fitbit something.
01:01:50
>> Fitbit loop. Maybe >> that could. Yeah, >> Fitbit band. >> Delicious something. The Steph Curry.
01:01:57
Also, the king is LeBron. So that's just the one correction I'll have. So what do
01:02:00
we call him? >> We can call him the chef. >> The chef. >> I thought he was the goat.
01:02:05
>> That's I mean he's some people's goat, but Oh, okay. He's
01:02:08
>> He is frequently referred to as Chef Curry. >> Chef Curry. Why? Because
01:02:12
>> because his full name is Chefon. And he he'd be cooking out there because
01:02:18
he's cooking. >> Yeah, >> that's good. >> Chef Carrie with the pot.
01:02:23
>> Is that real? Is that a real thing people say? >> Trust me. Yes. >> Uh yeah. No, it's great. All right. Last
01:02:29
thing I want to do before we take a quick break is I want to show you guys something. And I just want to make sure
01:02:33
I'm not crazy before I crash out about this. So check Slack. >> Okay. >> Uh check the waveform Slack channel. And
01:02:39
I want you to open this Dropbox link and just watch this quick minute long video.
01:02:45
And uh once you're done watching it, >> just let me know. >> Is there sound?
01:02:50
>> You don't need the sound. Okay. You can see this is the Oppo Find X9 Ultra.
01:02:54
>> David, you want to describe what you're seeing? >> All right. So, this is the Oppo X9
01:02:58
Ultra. Find X9 Ultra case. >> Mhm. >> Um Whoa. Okay. So, it's the phone and
01:03:05
then it's like a giant accessory case. looks like it's for photography stuff.
01:03:09
The case that is next to it is like insanely rugged looking. Um, they slap the case on the phone. It makes it
01:03:16
basically an Otterbox. >> It looks like a small rig had a baby with an Otterbox.
01:03:20
>> They put Oh, there's like a front attachment that locks in. So, it's like
01:03:23
fully encased in this case. This is like an outdoor crazy outdoor setup. >> Okay. Now, he's got basically what looks
01:03:31
like a gimbal attachment or something. Oh, no. It's a shooting grip attachment
01:03:36
that plugs into the phone. Looks very ROG to be honest. Um, and then they attach a filter attachment to it
01:03:45
>> so they can put like an ND filter, a variable ND on there. That's kind of
01:03:49
cool. >> Yeah, it's variable ND. They're spinning it around. >> Okay, now I hear what Marquez is going
01:03:55
to say. >> Now they touch a cooling fan. Oh, now they attach a a lefthand grip for some
01:04:00
reason. Uh oh. Uh, now they attach a cold shoe. Oh, okay. Now they're attaching a quick release for a Okay, it
01:04:10
was for a tripod. And now, oh my god, what is this? Oh, there's a giant host
01:04:15
of blood box. Oh no, does this get crazier? Oh no. Oh no. Okay, there's a really, really
01:04:24
big Hassablad lens attachment that comes with like a tripod mount. You have to put a lens adapter on in order to Oh my
01:04:35
god. Oh my god. This looks so insane. >> Wait, the >> What is this? >> The final render at the end doesn't have
01:04:45
the lens tripod mount on it. >> Yeah, it comes off. It's a collar. It comes off.
01:04:50
>> So, this just looks like a Terminator situation. Just tell me they sent this
01:04:53
to you and you have all of this in the other room. >> Okay. So, >> what in the world? So, I watched this
01:04:59
and my first thought is >> what are we doing though for real? For real. I don't have a price tag on this,
01:05:06
but I'm assuming if you are willing to buy this uh flagship phone, 89 10 $1,000
01:05:12
phone, whatever, and you're also going to buy the lens and the and the battery
01:05:15
grip and the the cold shoe and the cooling fan and the lens adapter and the lens and the tripod and all this stuff
01:05:21
to go shoot with your phone. You clearly really care about the quality of the work that you're making. So why are you
01:05:28
using your phone still spend all of that >> on a cheap camera that will do better
01:05:36
than whatever you're about to shoot on your phone? This is not a disc on the
01:05:40
the camera on the phone. It's a really good phone camera, but physics is still
01:05:45
real and you can still get much better footage out of a dedicated camera, plus better audio, plus better codecs, etc.
01:05:52
Yeah. >> Is that valid? I think that's this is too far. I think that the only
01:06:06
acceptable use of like really really trying to improve your phone camera as much as possible is if you are going to
01:06:12
make phone native content, right? Because the the biggest annoyance of using a dedicated camera to shoot
01:06:18
content that is going to be on phones >> is that you have to move all of the data
01:06:22
to your phone eventually. >> So the one plus for this >> the OPPO for this
01:06:28
>> is that uh I guess they're the same company is that you know if you're going
01:06:32
to shoot like a real or something all the footage is right there. If you're editing on your phone it's right there.
01:06:36
But but then at that point it's like this is clearly doesn't look like it's
01:06:40
for reals. This looks like it's for like a feature >> film. You got it sideways.
01:06:43
>> This is going to be so hard to like you would have to take all of this off your
01:06:47
phone to begin editing. >> This is unless you do it on your you edit. >> This is like a 90second process.
01:06:53
>> I'm saying to even hold your phone in a way that's comfortable to edit, do
01:06:56
anything with the footage, you would need to disassemble this whole package. >> Yeah. Instead of just blipping the
01:07:00
photos to yourself like this is like um Yeah. It's like you decide you want to
01:07:04
get this shot or however many shots or this whole shoot you're about to do, you
01:07:07
have to go through this like two-minute process of like assembling your phone rig. Yeah. which valid. You have a rig,
01:07:14
you're going to get pretty footage, but you could spend 2 seconds turning on a
01:07:18
regular camera and just start getting footage. >> And I just think, yeah, this is this is
01:07:23
in the valley between like good phone footage and and regular camera footage. >> You know how you have that analogy of
01:07:29
like VR headsets and like glasses and how they're both trying to move towards
01:07:33
each other? >> Yeah. >> This is like smartphone and camera and they're both trying to move towards each
01:07:37
other except the the smartphone went way too far over the line. It really has >> cuz cameras have they there are now
01:07:43
cameras you can buy that are just allin-one. They have really good mic like pickup mics. They have really good
01:07:48
quality. They're small. They have really good stabilization. It's just allin-one
01:07:52
like really quick short form content or YouTube video content cameras. >> Yeah.
01:07:57
>> And that's moved towards the smartphone line. >> But this just went way over the line.
01:08:02
>> I think it's way over. Yeah. >> This is crazy. Yeah. It's insane. Other
01:08:05
problem is if you spend like you're going to spend like $800 on the accessories alone on like it's probably
01:08:10
$1,000 uh phone and you spend $800 on the accessories and then you can never upgrade your phone.
01:08:16
>> Yeah. Once you move phones you're like well I guess I don't use any of this
01:08:19
stuff anymore. >> Useless now. Like it's >> at least with a dedicated camera like
01:08:24
them the glass is always going to be relevant because they always use the same mount. Most of the accessories can
01:08:28
be used on any camera cuz it's all universal. No, this can only be used with the Oppo Find X9 Ultra.
01:08:34
>> Yeah. Which by the way, weird small rig cage aside, the phone is beautiful.
01:08:40
>> The phone is really good without it. >> Yeah. When you take all the other other
01:08:45
stuff off, the phone itself is like aesthetically gorgeous. Yeah. By the time you watch this, our video on it is
01:08:50
up. It's called So, this is Peak smartphone. Uh because smartphones are just we've gotten to the point where
01:08:57
they're so good that they're good at everything already. And any differentiating factor is really just
01:09:02
preference. Yeah, I think that's my take basically on this. And so when you look
01:09:06
at like what do we want from a good smartphone screen? Well, I don't know. I
01:09:10
just want it to be bright enough and good looking enough that I can see it all the time and it just looks good all
01:09:14
the time. Okay. Well, it is. It's a high refresh rate, super bright OLED that
01:09:18
gets to 144 hertz and we'll go down to one herz and has high frequency PWM dimming and it just looks awesome all
01:09:24
the time. So, success. What about battery? Oh, I don't know. I just hope it never dies on me. Okay. 7,000
01:09:31
milliamp hours and silicon carbon and it's like it'll charge at 100 watts if
01:09:34
it ever dies. All right, mission accomplished. You kind of go down the line, we've done everything. Cameras are
01:09:39
the last thing. They're trying this stuff. They're putting huge 200 megapixel sensors in there. They take
01:09:45
good smartphone photos all the time, but they're never going to take good, you
01:09:48
know, highle camera photos. So, it's just like this is good smartphone photography and
01:09:53
>> there it is. >> Yeah, a great phone. >> I have a question for you.
01:09:55
>> Yeah. If the accessories and the lens and everything was able to be adjusted
01:09:59
to fit future phones, would that change your opinion on it? >> That would improve it, but it would
01:10:06
still feel like you're you're kind of spending too much time on cuz the thing
01:10:11
about a smartphone camera is it's so convenient to just pull out the camera,
01:10:15
open the app, and get the shot or just get the videos. That's the strength is
01:10:18
versatility. So, if you're throwing away all the versatility to get this super
01:10:24
good quality, then why not just get the super good quality? You know what I mean? Yeah.
01:10:29
>> Like, just get the camera. And it's actually more versatile again because it
01:10:34
takes two seconds to boot it up and just start shooting. So, you're taking the
01:10:37
strength of the smartphone, which is versatility. You're throwing it all away
01:10:40
to like clip this case on, clip the lens mount on, clip the lens on, get the collar on the lens, do all this stuff.
01:10:45
And by that point, you you're aren't you're getting better footage, but like
01:10:49
you could just get a camera, >> but it probably cost the same amount as like an $800 all-in-one Sony vlogging
01:10:53
camera, >> which is gonna beat this. Yeah. So, yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. That's pretty insane.
01:10:59
>> All right. I'm glad I'm glad I'm not alone in this. >> That's pretty insane.
01:11:01
>> Anyway, go watch that video. It's the Opine X9 Ultra. Really good phone.
01:11:04
Obviously, great cameras, but people are going too far. >> Yeah. >> All right. We'll take a quick break. And
01:11:09
before we do that, one more time, trivia. Something that's universal across every
01:11:15
waveform episode. That's good. >> Nice. >> That's good. >> Where in the world is Tim Cook from?
01:11:22
>> Dang. Do you need the city? >> City and state, please. >> Okay. I think I know.
01:11:26
>> I think I think I know. >> I know, but you guys said stuff before
01:11:30
that makes me think I'm wrong. Now, >> I have a a good a good hint if you need
01:11:33
it later. >> I'll take a hint. >> The Georgia I'll wait. I'll wait till
01:11:37
the uh till >> I think the hint has something to do with someone in the studio here.
01:11:41
>> I don't think we need a hint. >> No. All right, then. I'm not going to be
01:11:43
right. >> Chicago. >> All right. Well, we'll either be right or we'll learn something.
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>> Welcome back, everybody. Welcome back. >> Welcome back. >> Welcome back.
01:14:02
>> I like that. >> Marquez has to get on a plane in an hour and a half.
01:14:05
>> An hour and a half. >> I'll be on the plane in an hour and a half.
01:14:07
>> Okay. >> It'll be great. Well, you Yeah, I guess so. Okay, we're going to speed through
01:14:10
these because Marquez has to get on a plane in an hour and a half. Yeah, nerd. So, there's uh we talked about the GoPro
01:14:14
cameras last week. It was pretty crazy. They have new cameras out there. The Mission One, there's a Mission One Pro,
01:14:18
and there's a Mission One in lens system. Uh we now have prices for these GoPros. Ellis is very excited about
01:14:24
using them for uh lenses. He's Yeihan over there. So, now we got the prices.
01:14:30
The Mission One, $5.99. >> Okay. >> The Mission One Pro $6.99. >> Okay.
01:14:35
>> And the Mission One Pro ILS $6.99. But, >> okay, >> these are all discounted by $100 if you
01:14:40
have a uh GoPro subscription, which I didn't know what that meant. >> What does that subscription get you,
01:14:44
David? >> I had to look it up. It is uh cloud storage. It kind of makes auto automated
01:14:50
little videos for you based on your footage. Um, >> a GoPro subscription. >> Yeah, it's kind of crazy.
01:14:55
>> It's a warranty program, too. It's also a warranty program. >> Yeah. Insurance
01:14:59
type program. >> You know how there's like the beastification of YouTube? Is this the
01:15:03
amplification of tech companies? A GoPro subscription. >> Everyone needs recurring revenue.
01:15:08
>> You can. It's basically like you're a hardware company, but you need more
01:15:10
recurring revenue. So, you just bundle together some things that would work well with your hardware. I'm not saying
01:15:14
this is a bad idea, but wow. A GoPro. >> I think it's a bad idea. >> There's no money in selling something
01:15:19
once. >> You got to sell it a 100 times. I I don't know how the subscription works,
01:15:23
but if the camera is able to auto upload to this cloud storage >> Yeah. No, I'm sure it's very clever.
01:15:28
>> GoPros find themselves in situations where they become former GoPros often,
01:15:33
you know, and so being able to know >> that footage is in the cloud. Not bad.
01:15:38
>> Yeah. A GoPro subscription. >> Yeah. Wow. >> I guess. Uh yeah.
01:15:42
>> What do we think? Wait, what's so f there's a Mission One and a Mission One
01:15:45
Pro. What is the $100 difference between those cameras? mostly based around the types of uh like the frame rates that
01:15:51
they can record. So like 4K 240 fps versus 4K 120. You get 8K 60 on the Pro versus AK30 on the regular one.
01:16:00
>> The Pro has more processing power. It can handle higher frame rates. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
01:16:04
>> So that's the main difference. >> I still really want to shoot with them.
01:16:06
I just got to see how good the footage is because we just showed you that insane rig with the phone with the OPPO
01:16:11
and like this is going to be you could get one of these and probably get really good footage from it and it'll just be
01:16:16
like a one button click. >> Yeah, I would rather have this than the phone.
01:16:19
>> So, yeah, we'll we'll have to get some and shoot with them and see.
01:16:22
>> Much smaller. Okay. Uh we got some iPhone colorful f uh colorful iPhone pro
01:16:27
rumors. So, instead of just the >> Oh, I love this. >> Yeah. So, the rumors are that the iPhone
01:16:33
Pro is gonna come in this light blue. >> Don't care. >> Panone 2121.
01:16:38
>> Dark cherry. >> Kind of don't care either. >> What is wrong with you, Marquez? This is
01:16:42
crazy. Keep going. >> Uh, silver, don't care. >> Uh, dark gray. >> Hell yeah.
01:16:48
>> Hell yeah. That looks And you saw the renders. >> Yes. >> Yes. Yes. Please.
01:16:55
>> Oh my god. Give me a dark neutral. >> You're like a Staten Island mom picking
01:16:58
out the color of her car. Like, ew. any semblance of saturation, get it out of here.
01:17:04
>> It's just it's just the best looking one. And you know what's funny? These
01:17:07
are actually very popular car colors. Silver, light blue, dark cherry, which is kind of like the burgundy car you see
01:17:13
everywhere, and then black. The only other popular colors I've seen are like
01:17:16
white and beige. Uh yeah. No, this is going to look good. >> I think the silver actually looks sick.
01:17:21
The thing is, Ellis, I shoot a lot of car videos for autofocus on the phone. >> I get it.
01:17:25
>> And the color of the iPhone reflects in every screen in the car every time.
01:17:30
>> Yeah. And I've had an orange iPhone for many of these videos. And I pointed at
01:17:33
that CarPlay screen and there is just orange hitting me back in the in the camera lens and I can't take it anymore.
01:17:38
I need And the blue one, it's close, but I just give me a black phone. >> That dark cherry purple is pretty fire.
01:17:42
I'm not going to lie. >> It's It's It's I had two questions here.
01:17:46
>> Yeah. >> One, does this mean orange is dead? >> Yep. Yep. >> Forever. Like that's it.
01:17:50
>> It'll come back in like 5 years. >> Purple is the new orange.
01:17:52
>> So this is nice. So this is like a That was a celebrity color. >> Wait, no. Literally. Oh, no. It doesn't
01:17:58
work. I always say orange is the new black, but black is the new orange. >> Black is the new orange.
01:18:02
>> That's even better. >> Well, I don't think it's black.
01:18:04
>> Orange. I think purple is new orange. >> Second, is the space gray name dead?
01:18:08
>> Is that still available for iPhone? >> You can buy it on the MacBook is still
01:18:12
space gray. >> MacBook is still space gray. >> Is it not space black now?
01:18:15
>> Oh, it might be space black. >> No, I thought space black is a different
01:18:17
color though. >> Yeah, you're right. >> Space gray is >> I have the space black MacBook Pro.
01:18:22
>> Space black, right? Yeah, same. >> I think it's called space black now. But
01:18:26
they do they know also >> because space is You know what's funny? We talked about this in an earlier
01:18:29
episode. Space is gray. >> No, space is cosmic latte. >> Cosmic latte.
01:18:34
>> It's not fully black is the point. >> Cosmic latte. We talked about this.
01:18:38
>> Uh the average color of the universe. >> What is this? What is this Mac iPad
01:18:42
iPhone air color? Is it just It's not black. It's probably just black. >> They would they would never call
01:18:46
something black. >> I don't know. They might. >> They would call it
01:18:50
ambient stillness. I don't know. That was bad. >> Okay. So, the MacBook Pro is space
01:18:54
black. So is the iPhone Air. >> iPhone Air is space black. >> Yeah. >> So
01:18:59
>> that's it, right? >> Yeah. >> That's what I saw the leak and I was
01:19:02
like, "Oh, okay. Space gray is back." And then I read it and I was like,
01:19:04
"Wait." >> Well, they could still call it space gray. >> I mean, they could,
01:19:07
>> but what is it supposed to be? Dark gray. >> Yeah. It's just dark gray. Like it's
01:19:10
black, dark gray, whatever. But like I like I don't know, maybe I've been like
01:19:14
apple pilled, but I liked space gray as a name. >> I was like that that's cool.
01:19:19
>> It's too reminiscent of the Johnny IV era for me. >> I feel like we need to move past it, you
01:19:24
know? Interesting. >> Yeah. Um, okay. So, now that Marquez has to board in 1 hour and 20 minutes, uh,
01:19:31
we got to talk about this Huawei Pura XMax Foldy Boy that they just launched. >> Huawei.
01:19:37
>> Huaw. Why? Because they want to get ahead of Apple. >> They want to get a No, that doesn't
01:19:43
work. >> They want to get way Huawei ahead of >> Huawei ahead of Apple.
01:19:47
>> Yes, we first saw uh rumors and leaks of this last week, but now we have specs
01:19:51
and pricing. It is a short boy. It's a short king. 5.4 in um cover display with
01:19:58
3,500 nit brightness. So very short phone. It's definitely the passport style. Short king. 7.7 in internal
01:20:05
display. 3300 nits. Both support 120 Hz LTPO. It's got that homegrown Kierin
01:20:11
9030 Pro chip. >> 5300 mAh battery. Wish that was bigger. >> Yeah. >> Um 66 watt wired charging and 50 watt
01:20:20
wireless charging. >> Wow. 50 megapixel main, 50 megap telly, 12.5 megapixel ultrawide. Um, I just
01:20:26
love triple cameras >> that there are triple cameras. I the iPhone's not going to do that and that's
01:20:31
really sad cuz I really wish they would. Supports Huawei's M Pen 3 mini stylus so
01:20:37
you can use that as a little notebook thing. $1,600 for the 12 GB, 250 GB version, 256 GB version.
01:20:45
>> $1,800 for the 512 GB version. and uh $2,000 for 16 gigs of RAM and 1 TB of
01:20:51
storage. >> Really expensive phone for sure. >> As will the rest of these be.
01:20:55
>> As will the rest of these be. So, you know, um yeah, it looks just like kind
01:21:01
of the iPhone is going to look probably, but it's got more cameras. >> You left one thing out about this
01:21:05
exciting new announcement from Huawei, >> the colors. Uh no that um unlike most
01:21:11
Huawei products uh the Verge article I think that reported whichever article was linked in the show doc said that it
01:21:18
is unclear whether it'll come out outside of China. So we might actually be able to get a global quote unquote
01:21:23
global >> minus United States version >> if it comes to Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It
01:21:27
could come to European >> or it could not. >> That's true. >> I hope it does.
01:21:32
>> You know what is clear? What? >> The thing that we do at the end of every
01:21:35
trivia. I mean, at the end of every podcast episode, >> I guess. Yeah. There's not much more we
01:21:39
can really say about this at the moment. >> No. No. Unless there's been breaking
01:21:43
news. There hasn't been. >> I don't think. >> Uh, but I do need to address something
01:21:48
real quick because uh certain video viewers may have been wondering why I'm literally decked out head to toe in
01:21:57
Philadelphia 76. Head to toe is not an exaggeration. I've got the socks. They're
01:22:04
>> Oh, they're on your head and on your toes. This man is committed. >> Head to toe. And that is because Oh my
01:22:10
god, my leg is cramping from that move. Wow. I need to stretch more. Tonight, the Philadelphia 76ers play
01:22:17
game two against the Boston Celtics. Last game, we lost by 30 points. And I realize that is my fault. I did not do
01:22:26
enough to cheer on this team. So, for the next 15 seconds or so, this is a Philadelphia 76ers podcast. Tyrese Maxi
01:22:33
is a dog. Kelly Ubé is a dog. BJ Edgecomb dog. These boys are going to take us all the way to the NBA finals,
01:22:41
baby. And if you don't believe, you're not a friend of mine. Go Sixers forever.
01:22:48
>> I'm really sorry about that. What are we going to do when they get swept,
01:22:54
>> bro? If they get sw you know, honestly, like I thought about it. I was like, how
01:22:58
will I emotionally recover from a sweep? Because I have been through Philadelphia
01:23:04
76ers fans, I will make the statement, have been through more than any other fan base
01:23:08
>> in the NBA, especially in the last 10 years. The amount of like insane stats
01:23:12
that are just emotionally punishing. Like >> every sports fans believes this about
01:23:15
their own team, by the way. >> I know, but have you our star player has gotten sick for four out of the last
01:23:21
seven like not injured, sick? >> That's a bummer. >> You know what I before like like the
01:23:26
fact that we continually have to play the Boston Celtics, both of whom star players we had the ability to draft and
01:23:32
didn't. Um, >> could be a he could be a Knicks fan. >> Okay, but the Knicks owner isn't
01:23:37
literally in the Epstein files. Like I there's there's just like so many things
01:23:42
that it's just like this fan and then I realized >> Rockets fan. >> This is what being a Sixers fan is all
01:23:47
about. Any of us could jump ship at any point, but we want the chaotic ride, baby. We want Kelly Ubé getting hit by a
01:23:55
car two weeks after joining the team. Okay, we want Joel Embiid showing up. No, Kelly Ubé, please don't get hit by
01:24:02
another car. But it's like I I love you, Kelly Ubé, man. Your eyes are so beautiful. Tsunami Poppy, you're like
01:24:08
literally my favorite guy. Please just stay off the bicycle in Center City for a little bit.
01:24:14
Um, what's Tim Cook's favorite soda pop? >> Oh, yeah. Wait, wasn't this the second
01:24:19
question? This was >> the first question. >> Oh. I don't even know
01:24:31
sodas. >> Soda pop. >> You know, >> you're my soda pop. >> Yeah, I feel I feel like you'd know that
01:24:36
intrinsically, Marquez. You love K-pop demon hunters. >> Yeah, but that doesn't mean I name
01:24:41
sodas. I don't know anything about sodas. Here we go. I thought of one. >> Who wants to read first?
01:24:49
>> I I'll read mine. >> Yeah. Orange Crush. >> Yeah. Uh >> that's a real soda, right?
01:24:55
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. Pepsi. >> It is a Pepsi product, though. Oh,
01:25:00
really? >> Because according to the Wall Street Journal, Tim Cook's favorite soda
01:25:04
>> is Diet Mountain Dew. >> The least Tim Cook soda imaginable. >> I didn't even know they made Diet
01:25:11
Mountain Dew. >> And of course, like Andrew is not here today. >> That's crazy.
01:25:16
>> All right, follow-up question. Where is Tim Cook from? This is a Tim Cook
01:25:21
podcast today for obvious reasons. >> My hint is that it is arguably the most
01:25:26
hilarious city in America for a phone executive to be from. >> Good hint. >> Really
01:25:33
>> good hint. >> I'm wrong. I can't think of I can't even
01:25:36
think of an answer for that. >> I feel like that'd be Weed California.
01:25:39
>> That would be pretty funny. But this specifically for a smartphone executive.
01:25:43
>> Yeah, >> the way funnier. >> Flip them and read. What do we got?
01:25:51
Uh, I don't know. Uh, Paris, Texas. I wrote Dallas, Texas. Is it Houston? >> No.
01:26:00
>> Oh. >> So, before I tell you how wrong you guys are, quick update on the score. Marquez
01:26:05
with 21. Andrew with 22. >> I'd like to stay at 21. >> David in the lead with 26. The answer.
01:26:11
Mobile, Alabama. >> I thought I said it was the South and you guys said it wasn't.
01:26:16
>> No, you said the Midwest. Oh, what's the difference? >> Where's the bar?
01:26:21
>> How far south? >> The bar is in both places, actually. >> Famously.
01:26:25
>> Alabama. >> Mobile. Oh, I get it. >> Mobile like because it's spelled mobile.
01:26:28
>> Mobile. Mobile. >> That's pretty funny. >> Alabama. >> That's good, right?
01:26:31
>> That's good. >> Good. >> Good hint from Ellis. >> I You know, that's
01:26:36
>> Well, we learned two new things about Tim Cook. Maybe next time we'll learn
01:26:39
some new things about John Turnis or even some other CEOs. Who knows? Could get really fun. Definitely stay tuned uh
01:26:45
for your regularly scheduled programming and that bonus episode that Andrew is in
01:26:48
exactly half of. And uh yeah, go watch the Apple. >> This is actually a technology jersey,
01:26:56
too. >> Okay. >> It's got the threads in it or something >> cuz it's an AI jersey.
01:27:00
>> An AI AI jersey. >> No more puns. >> Is that Alan Iverson? >> Alan Iverson. That's AI, baby. All
01:27:06
right. We'll be right back. See you next week. Wait, I just want real quick.
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Sixers. >> Let's go. Bingo. Sick. All right. Get on your plane, Marcus. All right.
01:27:47
>> Street just announced the album will be out before June 12th. >> Yeah, but what about GTA 6?
01:27:52
>> I don't know about that. Uh-huh.