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[Music] what's going on people of the internet
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welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts i'm marquez and i'm andrew and today we've
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got a bunch of gadgets this week we have some smartphone news which we haven't had in a little bit a little bit of that
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i know everyone loves all the eevee news and they're like more evie more ev all the time but just me
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no just me just there is some a little i think but no we do have a good amount to talk about plus some laptops and stuff i
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kind of want to start with the laptop stuff actually let's do it that's a good place to dive in so was it two weeks ago we had wwdc
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which was uh apple's event where we got lots of new software updates but also had a little bit of hardware two new
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laptops with the m2 chip the macbook air m2 which is going to show up around july
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i guess maybe august by the time it actually comes out probably july and then the m2 macbook pro which is a
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refresh of the 13-inch m1 macbook pro uh very much the exact same laptop just
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with a new chip yes that one very easy to make so it's coming out first so now the reviews are out and a
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couple people have have posted about it benchmarked it figured out what it's really capable of
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and it didn't really surprise us at all which to me as i'm watching the reviews i'm trying to figure out okay i don't
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have one here so i didn't get to review it i'm watching the reviews i'm like who is this laptop for
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it's a conversation we've been having at the studio a lot in the last couple weeks of just like we can't quite nail
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down exactly who would buy this it is an incredibly
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slim sliver of of a target demographic that should actually buy the m2 macbook
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pro okay so here's here's how i would how i'm seeing it defined okay right
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and it's really hard because i don't actually agree with most of these a lot of people are saying oh you want to get a pro laptop but you don't want to break
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the bank so it's the cheapest pro let's go let's like put it into context first on why it's hard to
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to pick to like put someone in that category because right now you have the macbook
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air m2 just got a noun so if you really want m2 there's the macbook air which is cheaper has the updated design you know
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notch smaller bezels the just the whole new redesign of everything right and the better laptop
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exactly and then well the only difference is like there's active cooling in the 13-inch macbook pro for
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m2 the 13-inch macbook pro m2's only advantages over the 13-inch macbook air
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m2 are active cooling a slightly larger battery and if you really want a touch
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bar you can get it if you want it that is it everything else about it is it's a it's a slightly smaller screen with
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slightly worse brightness it's a slightly thicker bezels it's uh less ports it's an older design
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everything about it is is lesser but but it is the two advantages there m2
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but we also are seeing previously we have the m1 pro and then one max
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versions of the 14-inch and the 16-inch pros the big dogs some of the best most well-reviewed laptops i've ever seen
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obviously more expensive but in those laptops you are getting a much more capable chip yup with uh much better
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performance but also much better screens yeah much better new design it's the new design again uh real ports an sd card
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slot full-size hdmi all this stuff um magsafe and so
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the m2 macbook pro lives right in between them now here's the funny part because i actually this is the the weird
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thing that made me kind of scratch my head in a vacuum the m2 macbook pro is actually a really
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good computer it is it's a really good laptop i reviewed the m1 macbook pro and really liked it and a lot of people
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really like that machine and in its time ideal that is still true about the m2 macbook
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pro but because of the machines that exist on either side of it there's almost no
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reason to get that one yeah it's that's the thing and you sort of asked this question two weeks ago to um during the
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interview with that a couple apple people about silicon and their biggest thing was that the
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m1 13-inch macbook pro was the second uh most sold laptop they had last year
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correct sure now the issue with that is last year is it was the first macbook pro with active
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cooling apple silicon out right like it was at that point the most powerful because it had active
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cooling over the m1 macbook air right so there are a lot of people jumping they're like i want to try the most
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powerful m1 chip out there it was pro at the time exactly and then the m1 pro and m1 max
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comes out which are better now you're kind of doing the next version step up of the lower chip which
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is still quite a bit less powerful than the upgraded versions of the previous one so now it doesn't really fit we're
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at the point where it doesn't make sense it's kind of squeezed so on twitter i called it the uh macbook pro se
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because the formula is it's the same exact hardware so they don't need to do any retooling the outside the chassis
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the screen everything is exactly the same just put in a new blazing fast chip and ship it yeah that's what they did
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they didn't really plummet the price or anything but that's the same formula right i can't actually think of a real person
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like an actual specific scenario where someone should actually choose the m2
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macbook pro i actually went through in my head and tried to we've all tried that work because for most people i'm
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going to suggest if you're looking for a mac laptop starting with the m2 macbook
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air let's just start there for sure and and change based on that so let's say i suggest the m2 macbook air you're like
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all right it's pretty nice got the ports i need nice screen but you know what i need
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i just need it to be a little bit more powerful like the m2
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just doesn't really cut it and i'm doing some longer exporting i'm doing some graphical renders i'm doing some stuff
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where it would suggest that i need more cpu more gpu a little more power
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in that case i would immediately recommend that that person goes straight to the m1 pro
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14 inch macbook pro yeah straight to that machine there is a bigger price gap
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but that's a better machine all around and you're actually going to get way more cpu and gpu way more performance
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there are some reviews now since the the reviews are out there are some benchmarks of the m2 macbook pro
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i think monica chin's review at the verge did a really good job she put all the benchmarks side by side so you can see the delta between m2 and m2 with
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active cooling is this and then the delta between m2 and the
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last gen m1 macbook pro is a little bigger and then the delta between m2 and m1 pro
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is big it's a big very big difference so the the amount of extra performance the 300
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gets you is really significant so if that's the one thing you want over the macbook pros extra performance go
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straight to the m1 pro yeah because even when you're looking at price wise like the 13 inch m2 macbook pro starts at
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12.99 but that's for 256 gigs of storage which i would never recommend to
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anybody no matter what they are doing like 512 should be absolute minimum yeah you're a pro
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you really need the extra power and you're going to bump up to this laptop and now you're going to get less
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storage a worse screen less real buttons less ports
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all for like a 10 boost in performance just get this and only really that performance for like prolonged activity
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when you need the active cooling and it's like actually peaking but so you're thinking i'm going to say
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the minimum 13 inch m2e macbook pro you should get is very confusing we discussed this before earlier is like
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how you call these as well because like m2 pro is eventually going to be a chip so you can't even call it the m2
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pro you have to always make sure you say macbook pro m2 macbook pro yeah so we're looking at the the 512 gig storage
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version at 14.99 and then you can get a 14 inch m1 pro macbook pro for
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19 or like around 2000 yeah pretty much that and that already has 512 gigs so like if you're the pro who needs that
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you're probably okay spending the 500 it just seems the jump and upgrade
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design you're gonna get to that is well well well worth the price i even tried to go in the reverse direction
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where you're like you're thinking about getting the 14-inch m1 pro macbook pro
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and you're like well maybe i don't need that much power or maybe i don't need that much
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that that many ports so i just don't need that much well then you should immediately kick down to the macbook air yeah exactly
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because you don't need that much you're going to get great performance out of an m2 uh you're still gonna get a nice
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screen the new design magsafe fast charging new colors all this new stuff and you won't have to get a worse
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computer with the so you know it's it's just such it's such a squeeze the only thing i could think of
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and i think rene richie said it in his video and even for this person i don't know if i would recommend it but the one person i could think of was they were
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literally just about to add the old m1 macbook pro to their cart and then the
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m2 macbook pro just came out so they should get this one instead yeah even to that person i would say just get them
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just get the macbook air just wait another couple weeks yeah but yeah i could see that or if you are
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a hardcore touch bar fan there were people when the last redesign came out who were like i missed the touch bar if
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that is if that is your favorite part of the macbook okay then there you go now you have a little bit upgraded version
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if you have the m1 or you know it's gonna be a really really nice upgrade if you have the intel version of it oh for
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sure so like so that's it if you love the touch bar this is the computer for you hardcore touch bar fans this is
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probably ideally the last computer that they make with a touch bar
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so i'll say they bring it back they brought back the sd card slot now bring back the touch bar and assuming i don't
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do that yeah i'll say yeah the uh the person who literally just added the old one to their cart should get this and
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the person who is a hardcore touch bar fan should get this if they made a touch bar
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dongle do you think people would buy it jesus an external touch bar
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isn't that just a i don't know what it is i don't know that's for the there's
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there's what you get for the the hardcore touch bar fans is you a usbc touch bar that sits on the side of your
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computer a very very thin ipad that connects to the side ah that'd be
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rough yeah you know we'll we'll keep an eye on it i i definitely have plans to get my hands on these laptops when
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they're available m2 macbook air should be soon m2 macbook pro if we can just
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see what the benchmark differences are yeah and and i'm always interested to hear from our audience if there's someone out there who saw this 13-inch
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m2 what am i missing yeah like i would love to know what your use case is that you find this to be the compelling
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choice um over an m1 pro or the macbook air m2 i would love to
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know i would really really like to know tweet at us comments whatever oh here's the other the last thing i'll leave you
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with a lot of um the initial sentiment when we saw this new design was oh okay it's the old design for this macbook pro
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why didn't they just make a new design for this macbook pro right m2 macbook pro refresh update the design
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um to which i say yeah that would have been nice good point but um
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then you just you just end up competing directly with the 14-inch macbook pro
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like there is no difference it's other than m1 pro versus m2 it's all
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very it's very confusing to think about which is why we're kind of stumped here which is why we're throwing the question
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on to you confusing at home i've never been so confused by the existence of a product i'm like stumped
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i'm actually stumped it feels like they have a bunch of extra chassis and want to get rid of them
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that's why your sc comparison does very well that's why we design because they need to use those chassis here it is
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okay all right well we got to take a quick break and then talk about the nothing phone one of the most hyped devices in a long time but
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we are back to doing trivia just before the ad breaks so adam take it away don't say the answer
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this time okay which of the following was not a version of os 10 kodiak jaguar or cougar
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okay all right i know what this one is i'm confident which means i'm scared i'm
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wrong we'll see we'll be right back [Music]
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all right welcome back let's talk about let's talk about this nothing phone yeah i think first thing we have to talk about is
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like the views we've been getting on that video which is insane it's crazy so i i was like we've been avoiding talking
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about the nothing phone because there's like nothing to say all the puns here we go but there's nothing to say they're just this is carl pay playbook like
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reveal just a little bit at a time a little bit extra a little bit extra um but i'm following it because it's a
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new startup trying to do something interesting in smartphones and that's what i'm into so uh eventually they come
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to me and they're like hey marquez would you like to do a world exclusive first reveal of this glyph interface with the
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lights we've put on the back of the nothing phone you can be the first one to show it to the planet yeah it's like
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all right cool well i got to see the hard to say no to that you have to check it out i'm not going to say no to that that sounds great
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um so they're like all right cool uh we were going to ship it but since we're running so tight on time we're just
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going to fly someone over to you to just hand you the phone and show you how it works and then you can make the video
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and do whatever you want that's not that uncommon also if anyone's out there hearing that like we've had companies
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fly people out dbrand sometimes flies people out just to put the skins on things because they don't trust us
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that's pretty funny like that's not that uncommon they're all sound incredibly good at it they're insanely good at literal robots anyway uh yeah so they
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you know they fly out here uh a day or two i get to spend with the nothing phone and i again we're only really
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allowed to talk about and reveal the glyph interface on the back of the phone there's still way more that we don't know about the phone and you could
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definitely argue that this is just playing right into the hype and like sharing it but i actually found it
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really cool and the way i made the video and and phrased things was like okay this is going to be unique is this
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enough to get people to care about a phone and i found the conversation about that question really interesting yeah we
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can talk about okay this did get a lot more attention than i was actually expecting
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what was it i think in the first two hours it had doubled the view count it's still where the our wwdc video is which
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is always a very very popular video i mean this thing was yeah i mean okay for context we typically
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yeah we get let's say one to two million views on a video in 24 hours um the best videos are the ones of the
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most hot like hype devices and this one is
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no longer doubling the apple videos but for many hours it was literally doubling the performance of the apple videos so
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people know about or care about or at least interested in the nothing phone to the extent that they'll watch this video
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yeah so cool first look at the phone um so we got to see that and i'll just
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refresh you can watch the video it's only like a seven minute video but the glyph interface on the back it's got these lights about 900 leds across the
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back of the phone and when they all light up it kind of looks like a like a prop it looks like um if a
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if aliens were making a crop circle of a weird sim ejector tool oh
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yeah actually right there's been some people saying it looks like the a vague silhouette of an apple logo which is
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hilarious because i can kind of see that also they are like coming for apple but also kind of doing the apple thing i
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mean look at the phone wait can we talk on that real quick yeah in your video you said it looks like an iphone 11 or
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an iphone 12 when i first saw i thought iphone 10 or 10s and i think there's more i've seen
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two but i've seen both of these flat sides though well okay okay i guess when i'm talking
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about like just the back so like when i think of the back just the back i first see the pill cut out because it has a light around it and that is 10 10 s but
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then some people are seeing that the lenses are protruded and the pill is not a bump so they see 11 and 12. sure so i
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it at first i was like no it's clearly a 10 but now i see all these people saying 11 12 and i see that also so i i think
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with the flat sides if you look at the whole phone it kind of looks like a 12. i hate being wrong but i think you're
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right it's similar i mean but you get the ideas like they're not shy about like doing lots of stuff apple's already done the buttons look very similar um
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speakers in the same place but like the lights are different the lights are different i don't really see that on too many other phones and if we just ignore
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the question of like who cares about lights on the back of the phone they do a bunch of cool stuff they they will light up as a fill light while you're
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taking videos that i think is the coolest and they get pretty bright so i was kind of impressed with that they get pretty bright while also remaining like
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soft and like it's nice lighting it's the opposite of when somebody's like in the dark and you turn the flash on and
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try and then that just looks like blair witch products where this or blair witch project where this looks you know like
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key lighting like i've seen some bad ring lights on phones motorola used to put a ring light around the camera lens
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like that was going to make a difference versus a flash this is genuinely bigger than that ring light it's it's it's
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better so for that type of stuff close-up subjects maybe dark environments it does have a real flash
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but it's cool yeah it'll light up the ring on the back when you wireless charge or reverse wireless charge that's
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pretty cool it has a mode where you can flip it over and it'll just use the lights for your for your notifications um one thing i
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didn't get to demo but that some people picked up in the software was the glyph interface uh will use that exclamation
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point at the bottom yeah to respond while you're talking to google assistant so the phone's face down oh it's like a
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level meter yeah like a level meter but it'll also act as a battery charging indicator which i thought that i thought
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was cool but at the same time i hate it that it goes away and that you have to like shake it i think it should just
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stay on um i can't imagine it's taking that much battery plus it's plugged in at that part so what's the point of it
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not staying on i wonder if you'll be able to toggle a setting to stay on but i feel like it would get annoying if
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it's in the corner of the room just lit up all the time if it's dark and you're sleeping i could see that but if i'm like if it's on my desk and it's
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charging i would love to just like quickly be able to see it if i'm shaking it i could have just picked the phone up and looked at the charger it is
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remarkably easy to just like poke it and it just lights up so it it was very sensitive and i feel like the
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convenience of just going what's that at and you can see it's like halfway and you kind of know okay so i'll get that
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credit but that's that's a lot of stuff that it does i just like notification lights on the back of phones and we haven't seen that many i did like the
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recording um that it blinks a little red light when you're recording as well as also record that in the back i think
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that's one of those things where i see it i'm like i think a lot of phones should have this because you should always know if somebody is
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recording according to you that's fair yeah yeah and i didn't see it toggle turn it off so again we don't know
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camera quality we don't know a bunch of other stuff about the phone but i don't know thoughts on like will
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people care about lights on the back of a phone i if i could take it one step broader like
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i don't care about the lights that much i think they're cool i think they're unique i'm all for people doing unique
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things and like trying something different cool yeah i do like how it looks and it kind of reminds like
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i mean obviously it reminds me of the nothing here ones which were a pair of headphones i used for quite a bit
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because honestly i was fine with i didn't think the features worked very well i didn't think the sound quality
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was anything spectacular but i thought they looked cool i thought they were decently priced and like i was fun with
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that they fit in my ears so to me it was like it kind of felt like how people buy beats i'm like i appreciate this look
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and it's functional enough that i that i like it and like it was affordable it's way those were 99 what like a lot of
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other things are like 160 200 250. so that felt really cool to me and this feels like that
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i think it will i think there are people because of how successful beats were
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that pay attention to how things look this phone looks really cool with the clear back and the like
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kind of transparency we've seen phones do transparent before but this is like clearly super focused on it and that's
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their whole shtick and it looks really nice yeah i think i've noticed a couple things about it since publishing the
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video what especially stuff i see in the comments one is that it seems like a bunch of uh regular
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people who aren't super into tech are at least intrigued by that from whether or
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not they're actually thinking of buying it they're just like oh that's cool phone has lights on the back and they do cool stuff and like you can see how much
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charge battery has yeah like that's kind of cool two is this phone is not targeted for the us yeah they're
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actually i guess mainly targeting europe and the regions that they're i mean it's a startup but you don't really have the
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carrier relationships yet to just jump right into the u.s so uh it will have very limited compatibility on u.s
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carriers yeah but this is more of a phone for europe and asia um and three
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uh everyone puts a case on their phone we know this to be a fact
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how do you navigate that do you just sell a clear case or do you have like a case that like
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just cuts out the lights on the back or something i guess i mean i think there will be a few like that i would be very
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very surprised if this didn't come with like a clear case in the box because in
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the box think think about every other phone we've seen that really cares about the back of it so basically a lot of
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like oppo real me xiaomi phones that have a very unique colored back there usually it comes with a clear case
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that's true any of these like naruto phones or the dragon ball phones those always seem to have a clear case in them
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so i think any phone and even some super budget ones we've seen still come with a clear case when they care about the back and
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this is like the phone to care about the back on yeah probably more than ever i would bet it comes with a clear case i
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like your idea of ones that just have the lights cut out yeah just the lights like what was the htc phone that had the dot
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matrix on the front so you could tell the oh yes that was actually a screen cover that was an amazing feature back
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in the time that was on the same level of like is it a gimmick is it a feature i don't know but it's kind of cool but
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it was like the one m8 i mean did you see how excited you just got when i mentioned that i i really liked it i
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didn't even really use it i used that phone because it was it was a one of those cases that like had a
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flap i hate having a flap but that feature was sick it was really cool yeah it's kind of in that same
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league so i don't know if i'm ready to declare it a gimmick yet or or just a cool feature for some people i think
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it's easy to call it a gimmick but there are gimmicks out there that are genuinely fun and genuinely like
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enjoyable to use facts so very fair so okay here's my here's what i ended the video with this is actually really funny
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so the video comes out it starts just getting a ton of attention and press because nobody's seen the phone yet carl
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pay retweets the video and then i think two minutes later he finished watching the video which is when i got to the end
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where i started to make my comparison to oneplus yeah um so he tweeted about that
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but my comparison was okay listen so lots of phones all look the same
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how do you steal market share from these goliaths selling these bland phones you do something a little different
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something a little cooler just to target some group that's going to like it and that group will buy your phone so you
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just you just made an enthusiast phone for some gear you stole the market share just from those small group of people
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right now as you grow you can start to attract more people and maybe the next version
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of your phone is a little bit more broad appeal so you can attract more people because you got that first audience that
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liked the phone for sure now they're going to buy the next one and you sort of draw more and more the next version is even more broad appeal you attract
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more next versions even more broad appeal until you got to this point where you've started making bland phones
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yourself that sort of feel like they've abandoned the roots of being targeted to an
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enthusiast yeah sound familiar it does yeah i think also
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i want to add on there i think a lot of people forget that pocophone went that way as well you're talking about oneplus
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i'm talking about oneplus but pocophone like to me that's what it feels like too pocophone had this like
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insanely hyped original phone that came out you couldn't
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mention a smartphone for like six months without somebody comparing it to the pocophone
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crazy crazy amount of people who are obsessed with this thing then they just kind of go away
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and then they come back and release not the second version of that but like
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10 other ones and now i just feel like poco's just making a billion phones and yeah yeah that's a little different because
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they just diluted super hard like there was super fast there was one pocophone and
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it was like this is the the goat legend like if you if you don't have any budget
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phone comparison to this phone like this is the one and then within two years it was like now there's nine pocophones and
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we don't know which one which one one is the one you buy that it's just it's they've saturated their own market
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exactly um so that's that's another version of what could happen they just jumped they just jumped from step one to
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step ten basically in like a single year whereas oneplus was yeah they were gradually but but it's also
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when you think about though as there's this weird standpoint from the fans as well because when you're an
00:25:48
enthusiast of a phone like that all you want to do is convince other people that this thing you're enthusiastic about is
00:25:55
right and the more people you then convince that come over then that group gets bigger and then that
00:26:01
product needs to adhere to a bigger group of people and then they bring in more people that has to adhere to more
00:26:08
people and exactly it's kind of you're cannibalizing yourself you're the companies and the fans are both
00:26:14
basically just turning it's like the sun exploding the sun just gets bigger and bigger and then explodes
00:26:20
and now off to find the next one and it's the next yeah like rooting for the success of a
00:26:27
enthusiast company is also rooting it towards its own dilution and eventual but it also needs
00:26:34
to succeed to survive so it's kind of a uh so maybe maybe there's a carl pay for
00:26:39
like every wave and we just get like a wave of like so we have one plus right one plus has
00:26:45
like four or five glory years before they fade into like being generic and then as they start to fade another
00:26:52
company comes along with another carl pay and that's nothing and they start to make cool phones so you jump from the
00:26:57
last of the good one plus phones i think it's the same car i'll pay actually but then you know five or six years
00:27:03
later you're gonna start to want to jump out of the nothing bandwagon because they've gotten too generic onto the next one and we just keep having this arc
00:27:10
over and over again but here's the difference though this is not differentiating itself with nerdy specs
00:27:16
price for the dollar performance this is definition differentiating purely on aesthetics at this point at
00:27:23
this point and like aesthetics aesthetics are the easy way to do this right now right or not easy way it's the
00:27:30
easiest way because something that looks good is always way more attractive than just some numbers
00:27:35
on a sheet at first like we we know there's a lot of people out there who are obsessed with specs but i think more
00:27:41
and more people like that since those pocophone danes days are starting to understand that like how a phone works
00:27:48
and how it feels and how the user experiences is way more important so back then it was like hey
00:27:55
you want top of the line specs we are oneplus we have those specs at a cheaper number now it's like you want this
00:28:01
incredible user interface and just like overall user experience and it's hard to show
00:28:07
that without showing software so they're like look at this i'm already showing you some experience in the design aspect
00:28:13
of this phone yeah so it feels almost like a different route but also very similar route i
00:28:19
think because they're differentiating with a different thing which is
00:28:25
design feature i think they have a chance at attracting a different
00:28:30
starting audience so i think there are people right now who are who are
00:28:36
following carl pay following what might be another one plus
00:28:42
who will probably be disappointed when the design is a differentiating factor instead of what the old stuff we were
00:28:49
expecting was it's funny because if i can interrupt for a second yeah the way you're saying that i saw it as a
00:28:55
positive of that old oneplus enthusiastic crowd believes in carl bay so carl play has
00:29:02
them already now he needs to bring in the other side with the design aspect so this is now a culmination and you keep
00:29:08
them two sides can you keep them that's gonna be the question we're gonna find out very soon because you know so little
00:29:14
but i think right now carl pay has in his hands and and like eyes on him the
00:29:20
old oneplus fans and now he's bringing in the new aesthetic i'm gonna call them the smartphone the hype the like the
00:29:27
hypebeast stockx it's literally on stockx i think the top bit is like over three thousand dollars which is the
00:29:33
hypebeast um but yeah so so i think right now that's where it is and then
00:29:38
once we find out everything about the phone what you said we're going to see who that's targeting the defending of
00:29:43
the crowd we'll see hopefully both we'll see sure carl's hoping yeah it would be a success if you can appeal to both
00:29:49
groups but yeah that's always been a such an interesting thing when you look at like the iphones or the samsungs of
00:29:55
the world it's like this is a huge company but they're also selling this
00:30:00
phone to so many millions of people that it cannot have it by definition cannot have features
00:30:07
that are designed for small groups of people so you can't be an enthusiast phone at that scale
00:30:12
so it's you can you can easily differentiate from the samsungs and iphones of the world but can you keep
00:30:17
them and the problem is is every single one of those companies that caters to them at first wants to be the other
00:30:24
company eventually no matter how much you believe that they're there for the little guy that company wants to be the
00:30:30
shark yeah they want to eat the other food are we talking about this what is it again the the menorah
00:30:37
i thought yeah the remora well i guess i think that's more feeding it's more it's more like dependency this one wants to
00:30:43
be the shark that has the remote that's fair yeah i don't know we'll see we'll keep
00:30:48
an eye on the nothing phone we'll also keep an eye on the hype levels like i said this video
00:30:54
the hype levels right now are just rising astronomically and i think they're going to continue to rise
00:31:00
continue to rise and we will see when money is put on the table if it stays
00:31:05
there right i think that will be a very big i mean obviously that'll be a really big tell us
00:31:12
july 12th that's july 12th is the launch and you can order then that's when you know i believe you'll be able to order but
00:31:17
that's at least when it's coming all right we'll check back in a couple weeks yeah stay tuned for that all right we're gonna take another quick
00:31:23
break but before we do trivia time trivia so andrew mentioned earlier the
00:31:31
sun exploding which is perfect because on this day in history june 22nd
00:31:37
in 1633 the famous astronomer galileo galilei was forced to recant his views that the
00:31:43
earth orbited the sun sticking with our solar system which two planets have no
00:31:49
moons you get two points per correct answer i feel like there was a lot of build up
00:31:54
to that question to just ask about it that was a lot of
00:32:08
all right we'll think on it we'll be right back [Music]
00:32:20
all right we're back uh there would be no better way to finish talking about some stuff on waveform than without
00:32:26
bringing some cards back into the mix yeah the comments asked for more eevee stuff so like we've been saying you know we can talk about it all day uh no
00:32:33
there's some interesting ones okay you you you dropped this in the slack yesterday and i was i had the i had
00:32:38
quite a david reaction yeah it was it's the light year um some
00:32:43
new i mean they're like just brilliant bring out the checklist yeah i'm gonna read this tweet first
00:32:49
from it's from wired okay so i'll just read the tweet this is the light year zero the car that
00:32:56
could become the first produced car with solar panels this fall the dutch company says it'll be capable of driving around
00:33:02
388 miles without recharging with additional range of up to 44 miles a day
00:33:07
from the solar panels and then some sleek renders that honestly look like dolly renders
00:33:14
of a mysterious concept car so yeah so we've talked at length both
00:33:20
on the podcast and on the main channel uh about startup evs
00:33:26
yeah so i'm not even going to get into the when does this ship come this fish checks almost all those boxes yeah very
00:33:33
much so but uh the solar panel conversation has been interesting this has come up before and i don't i don't
00:33:39
know if i asked elon about this or somebody has asked elon but just like hey what do you think about putting
00:33:44
like solar panels on i think this is a cyber truck somebody asked about it like what about the the title cover just
00:33:50
making it and the answer really is like solar panels aren't that efficient yet
00:33:56
and so with the best solar panel tech that we have today covering the entire top of the car in
00:34:02
solar panels would max you out at like 40 miles of range if you had a sunny day
00:34:08
all day and you left it outside the entire imagining in like uh alaska during the summer solstice where they
00:34:14
like don't have night yeah yeah um that is a best case scenario which means you're probably going to have some
00:34:20
cloudy days where you'll have some sunny days where you get lots of rain then you'll have some rainy days where you literally get three miles added to the
00:34:26
battery so this isn't like you're gonna just get free energy forever it's cool it's cool to add this range and it might
00:34:32
be convenient for a short commute but it's it's to me i don't want to say gimmick because it's
00:34:38
a really useful feature to connect it to the drivetrain like that but it is very unlikely to make a difference for me
00:34:45
there are clearly some like obstacles to overcome in this scenario i mean like so we're talking
00:34:51
about 40 miles on a day which is like best case scenario right so like absolute max so let's just
00:34:57
you know when you think of anything when they give a number like that you have to go lower so let's say in the electric car world if a car says they get 300
00:35:03
miles of range they get 270 miles of range let's say this is i'll even be
00:35:09
like optimistic say 35 miles sure okay so driving a day you know maybe there are
00:35:16
some people that aren't driving that far in a day they have a super short commute there's someone who generally like leases a car cool you might get like
00:35:23
totally clean if if you park outside if it's sunny all the time if you clean
00:35:28
your car enough to not affect the solar panels that's something i always worry about do you remember years ago there was like a kickstarter
00:35:34
for these like solar panel roads and everyone was freaking out about it
00:35:39
and then everybody immediately was just like you know how dirty those would get and just like not work at all brutal logistics questions so like that's
00:35:46
an issue as well it just like it comes down to this point of
00:35:52
how much extra is the cost gonna be on to this because like solar panels aren't cheap you're replacing like pretty easy
00:35:58
stamped material yeah they could just be metal you are taking away like some people do
00:36:05
like moon roofs and stuff you're taking that away there's no option for that in this car it's not adding that much and you're
00:36:10
getting a bunch of extra parts now that could break or something could happen to this like a hail storm on this sounds
00:36:17
expensive that's fair like tens of thousands of dollars expensive so it's interesting so i i plan on talking about
00:36:23
this pretty soon in a video but in this tech smart home that i've been building
00:36:28
solar panels on the roof yeah it can get hailed on it can get rained on it can have birds land on it it's it's a strong
00:36:34
roof and it has solar it is expensive compared to normal materials and obviously if you do this
00:36:40
in a car you don't have a moon roof anymore um but the i think to me more of what i
00:36:45
was thinking was do you think you're gonna replace charging because you you can't like okay
00:36:51
you drive to work let's say you drive to work you start with a full battery you drive to work it was 30 miles great
00:36:56
now as it sits at work all day in the sun you replenish that battery then you
00:37:02
drive home using that same battery then what it sits at night all night
00:37:07
yeah so you can't fully drive off solar like that would be the dream that would be cool
00:37:12
but that's not how solar panels that's not we haven't gotten them that good yet yes and like
00:37:18
so i also can you click on the website and see this because i don't think you've seen the full car on that show
00:37:24
i want you to see it because it is a little more than you're expecting this is the first time it opens up by saying drive for months
00:37:30
without charging press x okay scrolling down uh interesting so it's the super
00:37:38
teardrop shape it looks kind of like that mercedes eq x or whatever it reminds me of a mix of that so it has
00:37:44
like the really long like hatchback trunk so it can just make so the like
00:37:50
the roof of it seamlessly flows all the way down to the trunk and it's all solar panel and then even the hood of the car
00:37:56
is the solar panel so they're really leaning into this but you know what it also reminds me of do you remember when
00:38:01
i believe it was the civic or there was a honda hybrid that used to have the wheel cover
00:38:06
on the back like this wheel cover on the back for arrow oh like this solid wheel cover over the
00:38:13
back so i mean it's a pretty it's a sedan with a really long elongated roof into the trunk
00:38:19
basically creating as much space as possible for a solar panel have you seen the mclaren speed tail
00:38:26
google mclaren speedtail oh yeah it's like th this is the type of thing where you're like all right i need to make
00:38:32
this car as aerodynamic and slippery as possible for the longest possible range you need arrow caps you need a sleek
00:38:39
shape you need it to slip through the air and i don't care about how bad it looks yeah and you just end up with this shape yeah
00:38:45
so fine so it's going to be focused on that it's going to be hopefully super efficient they're advertising
00:38:51
lots of 388 miles of range i mean that in itself is cool without it um and i do
00:38:56
want to say like i like the idea and i hope we can get to the part where solar panels will make a difference because
00:39:03
we all know that even though we're using electric vehicles it doesn't always mean we're using clean energy to charge those
00:39:09
vehicles it's clearly the step we need to make but right now there's still a lot of
00:39:14
like just because it's an ev doesn't mean it's fully green i think right now the better solution
00:39:22
is if you really want that clean energy to be charging your car is to have solar panels on your house right and then
00:39:28
you're just charging your ev from that yeah this is where there's the part where i haven't done i'm just gonna look at the camera and say i don't know this
00:39:34
to be true i don't have the research we are not experts i am not an expert but from what i understand the surface
00:39:42
area of a car no matter how efficient like we only get so much energy from the sun and it's a
00:39:48
lot of energy but you know you compare the amount of efficiency of current solar panels let's say it's 0.6 and we
00:39:55
assume an improvement all the way to perfect efficiency where we can use all the range even if you do get perfect efficiency
00:40:02
you don't have enough surface area to charge and drive a car for very long
00:40:07
so it's it's it'll always basically be relegated to like a cool accessory
00:40:12
feature i think ellis put in the in the dock here there was a prius back in the day well yeah so the wired tweet
00:40:19
said that this might be the first production car with solar panels on it but i immediately remembered the karma
00:40:24
rivero that we looked at a while ago had a solar panel on it and that was getting even less range added onto the battery
00:40:30
ellis found was that adding range i believe that one was adding range to the battery but the karma rivera was
00:40:35
also a weird this like hybrid system might not have even been in production yeah um
00:40:41
but ellis showed and this is really cool i thought a prius with a solar panel but it wasn't
00:40:47
connected to the drivetrain rather you could leave your ac running with the car off and not waste gas yeah i think
00:40:53
that's awesome i like battery car battery never dies yeah it's a good hack that's a really cool idea i like that feature um
00:41:00
so yeah solar panels cool you know maybe these guys are thinking of something different maybe
00:41:06
but their website doesn't have a lot of information so i can't say they've discovered something new with this that
00:41:12
could finally bring it but what i'm saying is there's an order button
00:41:19
all i'm saying is uh we made a video about how if you have a cool idea for an ev
00:41:25
that you just make a dope website and great renders and parade one concept car
00:41:31
around and collect lots of money and that's basically what we're seeing here
00:41:36
uh 250 euro you know order fee whatever i i root for
00:41:42
the success of startup ev companies but i hesitate to like just cheer on every
00:41:48
single thing under the moon because uh yeah my initial reaction was this should be an option not the defining feature
00:41:54
well that's the other thing is like when we talked about price before this is gonna add a lot onto the price and
00:41:59
that's gonna take people away who aren't looking at super super high priced vehicles but the
00:42:05
minute you want to offer both of them then on top you make your production so
00:42:11
twice as hard because you now have to offer two different trims where one has a regular roof and one as a solar roof
00:42:16
and at this point i guess my question is would you buy this car if it didn't have
00:42:21
the solar feature i'm right now no because i don't know anything about it in the
00:42:26
future i don't love the look there's not of it of other redeeming things about it so i'm like this isn't an option this is
00:42:32
the reason you buy the car this one yeah i do want to like in a broader spectrum
00:42:38
i'm wondering if there is a way solar panels can eventually get put onto an ev i would assume it would be a pickup
00:42:44
truck first because maybe you could have a truck bed cover that could have it that
00:42:49
increases uh surface area a little bit and like the majority of people using trucks
00:42:55
aren't always using the back of the truck so if you could have a cover and some extra panels back there maybe you could add something somebody
00:43:01
in the comments on youtube do the napkin math i bet there's somebody watching this who's like a solar engineer who knows about the efficiency of solar
00:43:08
panels assume the biggest truck with the most surface area with perfect efficiency of solar panels how many
00:43:14
miles are we looking at in the best case scenario added to a to a car's range to me it'll never actually make a
00:43:20
difference but i hope i'm maybe wrong i feel like the the technology we're looking for is
00:43:25
advancement in solar panels before we get to the advancement in cars with solar panels yeah and that that will
00:43:30
come eventually you need amazing drive trains and battery tech before the solar panel saves the ev
00:43:36
so i think so yeah we'll see but yeah it's interesting to see i i still have a root for new eevee ideas
00:43:42
all the time so this is cool that we're actually getting stuff like that the karma by the way is one of the funniest looking cars we've
00:43:48
ever yeah but when i was looking it up for this they're making a 2022 model and it looks nicer no mustache it's funny the
00:43:54
mustache was like the most unique identifying thing about the car you know how the bmws have the nostrils now and
00:44:00
you see the nostrils and you're like bmw i know what that is the mustache was like i could see that
00:44:06
from a mile away and know oh my god there's a karma yeah and now it's got like this swooping
00:44:11
thing it's a little different i don't mind it though uh yeah that's pretty much it
00:44:17
do you want to do trivia answers to wrap up okay yeah we had some interesting trivia ones this week so we should jump in and do those
00:44:24
uh remind us the first question all right but first the score so far
00:44:30
marquez has nine andrew has five so the first question which of the
00:44:36
following was not a version of os 10 kodiak jaguar or cougar
00:44:44
uh my my guess on this is kodiak because kodiak is a bear and the other two are big cats yes they named things after
00:44:51
cats they did cats and then they switched uh after os 10 they did mac os and they just did uh california
00:44:57
locations basically okay so kodiak never made it gone with kodiak the correct answer is
00:45:04
cougar kodiak was a beta kodiak was a beta
00:45:10
uh alice pulled the fast one on you guys well cougar there was never an os x there was never
00:45:16
a cougar really i feel like cougars the like like every high school mascot ever yeah
00:45:21
counterpoint is there mac os mountain lion yes yes that is all that is a type of
00:45:27
that is a cougar that's true checkmate is
00:45:36
[Music]
00:45:45
was kodiak that's interesting because kodiak's a bear correct yeah so why they
00:45:51
would go bear and then cat maybe b for beta for bear alice and i need to discuss whether we're giving you guys
00:45:57
points you shouldn't give us points were there other beta names i don't even know if there were other i
00:46:03
also didn't know they ever named the beta something different from the the main os i thought it was just like mac
00:46:08
os i think it was just like code names yeah like three like alpha and then like yeah you should not give us points by
00:46:15
the way yeah i don't think no no no no no no no wrong we got it wrong we got okay kodak yeah that's a good one for the numbers that were wondering we were
00:46:21
going to give them the points but never mind no we appreciate it i mean it doesn't change anything yeah because we have no points
00:46:27
no points uh the following question oh okay this one yadda yadda which two planets have no moons
00:46:35
no moons imagine if someone couldn't name all those and pluto or singular is not a planet sure
00:46:41
whatever because pluto does have a little saddle a little one interesting pluto does not count and you get two
00:46:47
points per correct answer for this one okay because there's two planets there earth has a moon
00:46:53
i know that to be true jupiter i'm just going through the logic in my head you should probably let me
00:46:58
answer first because i can tell you i'll let you step through your logic to be fair i knew earth had a moon thank
00:47:05
you very much good job appreciate jupiter jupiter and saturn both have a lots of
00:47:10
moons i think saturn has like 65 managers i feel like i'm just asking you the question and then if you say yes or
00:47:17
no oh sorry keep going keep going i will go
00:47:23
you remember all the names right no no actually i think i do um i'm gonna guess one in close and one far
00:47:30
away so i'm gonna guess neptune planet i definitely know very well
00:47:36
and venus
00:47:41
i think the gas giants all have moons so i'm gonna go mercury venus
00:47:47
that's mine so the correct answers are mercury and venus nice so marquez got plus four
00:47:54
and andrew got plus two yeah i couldn't remember neptune always lets me down
00:48:01
always lets you down it yeah i think saturn saturn correct me if i'm wrong google 67 moons
00:48:09
is that saturn or jupiter you get minus three points if this is wrong one of the two
00:48:15
what did you say 72. you said 72 andrew any guesses jupiter or saturn one of the two tons of moons 56. saturn has 82
00:48:24
moons they must have that's number how do you not remember that they definitely discovered more since i learned that you
00:48:29
guys want to guess jupiter this is jupiter uh less than saturn because saturn has
00:48:35
the rings so like there's mad satellites i'm gonna guess less so you said 82 for saturn let me go 67 for jupiter then
00:48:41
andrew 65. jupiter has 82 moons they both have 82
00:48:48
moons no 79 moons okay that's sick i definitely learned that
00:48:54
fact years ago when they hadn't found all of the moons someone fact checked that it's been updated
00:49:00
yeah well you can probably go on the wikipedia and find when each one was discovered okay which i guarantee some
00:49:06
will be during my lifetime but we won't go we won't dig that deep we'll just we'll let you guys go off of that one in
00:49:12
2016 business insider reported that jupiter had 67 moons and saturn 62.
00:49:20
business insider i don't know why they're reporting that i want to see astrology insider or astronomy insider
00:49:27
just kidding either way all right let's get out of here thanks for watching thanks for listening
00:49:34
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00:49:39
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