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welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts i'm marquez and i'm andrew and today we've
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got a couple pretty big stories we've got the adventures of the day without facebook all the stuff that happened and
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and why and what went down which was a monday of course and then we've got the new surface
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products which is a whole new lineup and we made a video about them and then we've got one single new cringy intel ad that i just want to
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go over from rant about yeah uh so we've got you here with me we'll have david on in the second half of the podcast as
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well we'll talk surface stuff but i say we start with facebook yeah that was that was the big story of the internet
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this week is on a monday bright and early i'm sure in california time it was probably like
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seven eight a.m when all started one p.m eastern so okay so eleven ten eleven
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twelve yeah something like that facebook goes down and you probably kind of noticed the the series of things that
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happened which is you try to go on facebook you realize it's not loading you check your wi-fi you're like why is my wi-fi
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not working but your wi-fi is working so you're like oh is facebook down so then you go to i don't know instagram just to
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see if it works yeah yeah yeah instagram's also down and then you go start
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figuring out connecting the dots most of us are like we're on twitter and we're seeing everybody else say that facebook
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is down and instagram's down and all that yeah i don't i don't check facebook that often so i found out because it was
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trending on twitter and i hadn't checked instagram yet that day so it was all sort of trending on twitter at once that
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a bunch of stuff that facebook runs and owns is down at the same time they're all connected yeah i think that's what
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it didn't hit me what the magnitude of that was at first because i saw facebook down on twitter thought
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cool i don't use it that much just like you i mean i use it to communicate with my family sometimes that's down who cares yeah then you realize instagram's
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connected and that's the first pretty big one it's like okay i like instagram way more than facebook yeah that one kind of hurts a little bit
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and then it just keeps going like you don't realize what it's and then whatsapp's down which right facebook
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also owns whatsapp and we don't use it that much we use sms mostly i mean we still have like slack and some other
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messaging apps but whatsapp is gigantic internationally it's massive yeah millions and millions of people use whatsapp and we'll go over that in a
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second yeah but like we've seen outages like this in the past like when amazon's web services go down when aws goes down
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you realize how many sites on the internet depend on aws and they're all down at once and usually it's brief but
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you'll notice like wow there's a lot that's actually all connected here so yeah we we saw the the solar small world
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of the internet as facebook.com and all those services facebook messenger instagram all of that
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whatsapp even oculus yeah oculus was kind of funny to me because it's just like oh like just the last thing i would
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ever imagine to be hit by facebook being down is like i can't play vr now that's facebook but it
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just makes total sense yeah you have to log in through oculus which brings me to my next thing where
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when we first start seeing it kind of outside of the general facebook realm because you know like facebook instagram
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whatsapp they're all directly owned by facebook so it all makes sense yeah then i saw like michael fisher tweeting about
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how he couldn't even go on his to-do list because he had he logged in through facebook on
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his to-do list app yes so imagine all this i mean the second order the majority of times when
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i download some new app that i'm not that excited about but i just want to have it because maybe it does one nice
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thing if it gives me the option to log in through facebook or google i'll do it because it's so much quicker than just
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oh interesting um making a new account every time yeah there's different philosophies with that i
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never ever log in through facebook that's my that's been my mentality i do
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log in through google with some things and then apple now will let you literally make a new fake email address
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to sign up so if you sign in through apple you can just bypass all of that sort of tracking but i i want to go over
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the explanation for exactly what happened first and then we can go over like the experience and the effects
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because there were a lot of them so a lot of people were asking like marquez are you gonna make a video about what happened and like when are we gonna
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figure out why everything was down for like several hours yeah which is a while we finally did get an explanation i'm
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not probably gonna make a video about it but it is interesting to read and we'll link it below but we kind of have the cliff notes here i have a
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it's a very s brief too long didn't read but the briefness of this is still fairly long because it was a huge
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explanation of what happened highly suggest reading it'll be in the show notes like you said um so essentially
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i'm gonna try and break this down here and this is very very brief there's way more nuance to all of this scientific
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i don't know if i can get i'm not an engineer okay i don't fully understand everything so this is what i gathered so
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essentially facebook has a bunch of physical data centers globally yep makes sense some of them are gigantic but what
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they do have is they have a bunch of smaller ones that generally connect to all of these together so you know we
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have all our physical facilities that are around the world and those are all connected and they kind of call that the
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back the backbone network of kind of the broader facebook and everything that facebook
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owns is all connected through this backbone network now when you use an app or go to facebook or anything it generally sends
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a request to one of these smaller facilities before then going into all the data centers to request permissions
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or whatever send it back to your phone that's pretty much how general internet usage gets processed uh
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at least through facebook here now between those facilities it's all managed by different routers and
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everything because you know you're sending information into a smaller facility then it has to get sent out to one of the
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bigger data centers so in a general maintenance of some of these routers which they have to go down all the time
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because you know different things need to get work done maybe there's some physical lines that have to be worked maybe uh they need to do some
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configuration on something different can't have 100 up yeah exactly so they're used to doing this in like small
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portions where you and i the user would never notice that they were doing it or never noticed there was any downtime
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apparently when they did one of these um they accidentally issued a command that unintentionally took down
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all of these routers and all of these connections between these smaller facilities into these larger data
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centers so basically no one could connect to these larger data centers it's like a dns issue like
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dns is basically like they call it the phone book of the internet it's it's certain numbers that send you to a url
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to yeah to them and then they send it back to you so essentially the dns was
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all messed up and nobody could find these data centers that store all of the information and everything that facebook
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owns globally yeah now that becomes kind of a problem not just because you can't connect to
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that but because of how much facebook themselves are on here internal messaging apps internal emails
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just like internal communication in general start going down yeah i saw an email that or a tweet that i saw most of
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this on twitter uh that yeah literally facebook employees could not communicate with each other because they were using
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facebook tools and facebook email addresses and all of those also didn't work so i believe some of them who were
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already logged into their outlook were okay because it was already connected but if you're not logged into that if
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you're not logged into a messenger if you had to log in or basically anything you were out you just weren't people is it true
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that facebook employees were locked out of the building because of some services it sounds like they didn't fully explain that it did
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see like there was issues maybe getting into some of the data centers um and i'm not 100 sure if that meant
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like they definitely couldn't remote into some of them they were having issues with that um so they did have to physically send people to these data
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centers around globally to get into them to physically and these facilities with the routing issues to to reset
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everything what a stressful car ride that probably was i can't even imagine like
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you're one of the biggest companies in the world and just you're down completely and there's nothing you can
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do except physically go to i mean this would be a great opportunity for like spot or something
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maybe who's remote on location and could potentially get in but um the end of this is pretty much they they
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finally get to the physical data centers because they had to actually go to them start getting everything going up they couldn't just throw everything up at one
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time they had to slow roll it out a little bit but that's why we slowly started seeing some people gaining access to instagram some people gaining
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access to facebook finally all came back up all of this ending up taking around five
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hours which for all of us on the internet probably sounds like a lifetime it's just weird that is a long time i i
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remember i've seen some stats about uh there's an occasional tweet about how much money each one of these companies
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makes per hour or something ridiculous like that so i just googled it looks like those couple hours resulted in
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about 60 million dollars of lost revenue because facebook's selling ads all the time facebook's running
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constant ads alongside videos and this is helping entire creative economy more i wonder if that's like literally just
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facebook and probably just facebook ads like the facebook website not not instagram not i feel like it would be
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more funny but if you think about it five hours for everything that happened for physically having to go to these data
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centers and fix it that's pretty quick i mean i'm sure it's an absolute mess for them and they would
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wish that would never happen ever again but yeah you got to give a little credit five hours to physically go to all these
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different places and fix the largest mess i think someone said the biggest internet outage since 2018 which is
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probably the aws services right okay yeah that's so there's a like we said there's like a first order effects
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second order effects too the first order effects were okay we can't go to facebook we can't use facebook messenger
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we can't use instagram or any of their services we can't use whatsapp we can't communicate through that
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second i order effect would actually loop oculus into like
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second order effects because you wouldn't expect it to go down but because you need to log into your oculus
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library through facebook people are saying and again most of this is seen on twitter because twitter was up the whole time most of the time um
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that they were unable to access games in their oculus library some some people's libraries vanished in front of their vr
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eyes because yeah facebook services weren't working and they couldn't validate that they actually owned any of the games
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which is crazy um i i love referencing a site called isitdownrightnow.com
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that site was hit so hard during this outage that it also went down yeah so is
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it down right now also was down it was basically replicating like a ddos attack which is the way that works is sending
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so much information to a single website that it can't handle the load well this was this wasn't an attack this was just
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something went down that is so big that so many people wanted to check that it went down and then also i i kind of
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asked sort of passively wondering but also kind of really wanting to know how hard does like twitter usage
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spike during the outage of other services comparable to twitter so like this would be a perfect example facebook's gone you
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know how where do you go to talk about facebook and instagram being down at once you go to twitter
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usually and we did see twitter start to struggle with maybe their highest load ever which is really crazy and also um
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we saw what telegram saw some really impressive numbers because whatsapp was down for so long that apparently about
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70 million new people signed up for for telegram during that outage which is
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wild well played now i gotta say brand twitter was pretty on point during all of this i think telegram was tweeting at
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people like hey we're still up join us now uh twitter was just kind of like what's what's up everybody what's up literally
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everybody everyone everyone on the internet and uh a lot of brands chimed in that they weren't down
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while facebook was um i thought there was a healthy amount of like actually fun brand engagement on
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there's some fun brand engagement there's also just some great memes dunking on facebook which i think is the
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ultimate the ultimate upside to everything that happened is for people who aren't super into facebook or maybe
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even don't check instagram for us twitter users we had we had a field day it was a good day
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i think there was a couple that i think were my personal favorites and uh i think we just have to go over them
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they're good uh my absolute favorite one someone tweeted a picture of the facebook hq sign
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and then they put one of those spirit of halloween banners over it like it went out of business um if
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you're outside of the us essentially we have this store that pops up every
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fall that sells like purely halloween decorations and halloween costumes and seems to just immediately take over any
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semi out of business it's kind of like a spot it's a phenomenon like this business is only relevant
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two months of the year yeah one and a half months and there's one every mile it feels and they appear like
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everywhere like the second you start seeing pumpkin spice lattes you start seeing this store everywhere for
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halloween related stuff and they just find a way to swarm in they're kind of like lanternflies
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they're like an invasive species and they just find everyone going out of business and just buy all those buildings and make all of their money
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for a month yeah and they're just gone yep it's beautiful so they took over facebook perfect timing too yeah that's
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shiny new spirit of halloween headquarters you know over there we also had our fellow co-worker david tweeting
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guys i can't log into my ray-bans in reference to the uh new facebook ray-ban glasses which i find hilarious like what
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do you think those oh my god we're probably a little too new into those but if anyone using them we're using them as
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facebook went down in case you just have really expensive sunglasses i feel like yeah they were
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they're probably bricked they're probably bricked nice okay well done uh there's a lot of just twitter dancing
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on facebook yeah i enjoyed that tons of dancing on facebook it was fantastic but that's the thing about like okay that we
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we always see the monthly active users for people who go on facebook and those numbers are huge because it's monthly
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and over the course of a month i feel like every human i know will check facebook once like everyone has an
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account but the the spike is so much higher for sites like if tick tock were to go down
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that spike of how many people are typically on tick tock at once would be so much higher that it would it would
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probably have even more of an effect i think yeah but you know fake instagram is another one instagram is
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has a lot of people on every day instead of just casually passively checking a couple every few weeks yeah so i don't
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know it was it was kind of the perfect storm of like a lot of things happening at once twitter seeing all these people
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flooding in telegram seeing all these people flooding in it was uh it was a nice like small world type
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story for them it was kind of fun to just see everyone on one site for a little bit yeah i'd like to say
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i think one thing i took out of this and this is something you mentioned earlier that you do already but i will probably
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from now on not create new accounts through facebook or through google or something like that
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because heaven forbid it was something that i really needed to get into and one of these sites went down
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we can see it takes a while to get these back up if it's hard enough so i'll stop being lazy to get my accounts
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yeah yeah i i used to be terrified that if i ever logged into anything on facebook or or through facebook that it
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would post something from my account or something and even if this was never true because it never did
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i would just never give any anything access to my facebook account
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because it could see anything about me that's a really good point i never wanted to connect it that that closely
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uh google still knows probably more about me and i i have a bad habit of logging in through google so i'll take
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this opportunity to stop doing that as well but yeah i think we're on the same page that we've realized it's all very
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connected you brought up accidentally sharing things have you ever had those moments where like your finger slips and you hit some
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random button and it does something and you think it's shared somewhere and then you're just like scrambling through all
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your share button yeah i was on tick-tock and it i don't know if i hit i think i hit download and i just like i
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got this really quick loading bar status come up not saying what and i just went back to playing videos i was like what
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did i just do where did that just go i was scrolling through my text messages i was on twitter on instagram was like
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where did this share to and it just downloaded to my phone so a little panic attack but nice all right well we do
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also want to give a little bit of a chat to the microsoft event that happened this week and there's a little bit of hardware
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there too so we're going to have david come on and we'll talk about that surface duo surface laptop studio david
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oh hey welcome whoa whoa whoa wait you just you just appeared here in the chair i'm glad
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you're here is it still monday no it's not monday your ray-bans definitely took you offline for a minute there oh my gosh yeah oh my god
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yeah well i wasn't applying for more than six hours but uh yeah welcome to the uh the podcast thank you uh thank
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you for bringing me on here all right so all right we've got a microsoft event we're also expecting some more events
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coming this year but this one was kind of fun and of course we had panos delivering in his typical way a bunch of
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new microsoft products some expected some a little unexpected yeah i want to talk about surface duo 2 first and then
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we'll talk about the laptop stuff okay so we got the new surface duo finally yep first surface duo not so hot you know i
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reviewed it it it was uh it was a very expensive beautifully folding but
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incredibly dysfunctional uh piece of hardware it ran android it was what was it fifteen hundred dollars
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it was fifteen very expensive um awful cameras awful battery life
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awful software great yeah so the situation yeah so what happened was they
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they stuck with it and they made a new one which i'm glad i'm glad they didn't just give up right away so we have service 202 now it's running the latest
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ship nice snapdragon triple eight yep eight gigs of ram it has a 90 hertz display yeah for a pair of displays a
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little better and these displays kind of curve over the inside edge
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in a way that when you close it you can still read some edges
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yeah so this is kind of neat i you know we saw something like this with the galaxy note edge when it first came out
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tickers on the side of the display now the camera on the back is really interesting i haven't watched enough hands-on videos but i remember with the
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first surface duo it would fold over completely flat and it was really nice that it could do that now that it has a
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camera bump on the back i don't believe you can fold it perfectly flat anymore yeah yeah yeah
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yeah which is you know maybe that won't be as satisfying we are trying to mitigate it slightly though because if you if you imagine that the camera bump
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was like the camera bump was flat when you try to fold it over itself it would like it would like push against the
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corner of the camera bump so what they did was they angled the camera bump oh really so it's smart it's angled now and
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the camera bump itself has magnets in it now so when it closes when it folds over
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itself it actually like snap snaps okay to the camera bump nice so it's not like
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on a corner or anything yeah it's still going to cause like wobbling issues when you have it closed which is not great
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but yeah and it is ugly and yeah it's very ugly i remember when we first actually saw i
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think it's still in our video when we first saw the surface duo one we got a preview of it with panos and he he
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showed us these hardware prototypes and they ended up being the final version but he also showed us some software on his personal one yeah and his personal
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one had a camera bump on the back and he never talked about it he just showed us some software on it and put it away but
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it made it into the video and people were wondering like wait this one has like a hardware camera bump and it's matte black and the others are just like
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white with no camera bump so they've been thinking about it yeah they finally did it
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is this new set of things gonna save the surface um
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okay so there's like a wider thing with microsoft products that i'll probably get into more later where
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look this is again it's like fifteen hundred sixteen hundred dollars it's still expensive it's more expensive it yeah i think it's a hundred dollars more
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than it was last year which is like bold yeah it's very bold considering
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like it was that much um personally i i like the additions they made i think
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the ticker display is a good idea because i think the reason people are okay with buying foldable phones right
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now is that you can still use basic information while they're folded right you still have that ambient
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clock the ambient information yeah problem with the surface duo the original one was like you couldn't do anything with
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that thing while it was closed exactly it was just a brick yeah that was a that's a that's a fundamental piece of
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why foldables are are all different because they all have different levels of usability when they're close closed
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yeah like the galaxy fold has a really usable outside screen yeah the z flip has like a small but kind of usable
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outside bigger now the razer we really like that bigger outside screen display nothing on the side nothing on the
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original surface so this is like a ticker now notifications time yeah you're not really interacting with it
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but it's better than nothing yeah it's still like if you're at dinner and you need to like glance at the time and you're sitting there you don't have to
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open it right okay yeah all right and like i've always been a proponent of technology that is like only used when
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it needs to be used but there's some information that you get from your technology that always needs to be
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available it's like a smart watch also always needs to be able to be a watch right
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so having that time there all the time is very useful um i like the curve display for that reason
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and i think it makes the gap in between seem less big especially when the thing is open right
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uh the new cameras are good and bad yeah i haven't seen any sample photos yet but
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yeah when i say good and bad it's like bad because of the the bump and it's ugly and it's you know it's adds some
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issues you can't fold it flat yeah uh good in that the technology that they were using last
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year was they had the one camera on the inside you would fold it over itself and when it detected you
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turning it i guess it would make the viewfinder the side that you were using and then it would
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theoretically activate and and it would switch the screens but it never worked exactly and i was going to
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say in my experience this was one of the least often working things in my entire tech experience last year i
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want to just take a picture and this thing is really hard to take a picture with yeah it was crazy hard to take a picture with and look i i just still
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feel like a dual screened this like device
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is not as functional as a foldable device and i know that microsoft like remember last year when they were like
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they were beating this drum of the surface duo is not a phone it's a device but it's like you're not going to carry
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a duo and another phone that was a that was a thought i kept seeing is this was marketed or at least
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described as a companion device yeah so you have your phone but in your other pocket i guess you also have a surface
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duo that you usually use for most stuff i don't know that i'd want to carry that
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much hardware i mean i'm i'm guilty of carrying two phones all the time but this this i would want to spend that much
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money on one device yeah and have it just be my only device so the fact that like phone calls are kind of tough because it's a weird shape and the
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aspect ratio is kind of weird and i want a different shape for watching videos it's like it's it's a little bit of a compromise i
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wonder if they're people who i mean i don't know there's there's got to be groups of people who don't care that much about the outside display and
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we'll be fine with like all right productivity is my only goal with this device i'll get one yeah i don't know
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how many of those people there are it's just like i think the way i think about it is the magic and beauty of the smartphone is that every year when
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smartphones were coming out it seemed like every year it would replace another thing that we had right
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slowly the smartphone ate up all our other appliances to where we didn't have
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to carry a ton of stuff with us and we could just carry one thing why would you want to go the opposite
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direction and the other thing is that like it is a phone at the end of the day it is a phone it makes phone calls it has data a
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data connection yep it is just redundant i put a sim card in it yeah and the whole dual display thing versus versus
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like singular display like android has had multitasking features for years where you can like put chrome on this
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side and another app on this side like that is built into android now and i don't panos like really wanted to
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tout like oh like it's magical to like have information on one display one app open on one display and another app open
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on the other display galaxy fold you can do that with like three or four
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apps right i did i did feel a little bit sometimes what he was talking about
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which is like i use dual displays at my desktop yeah and totally it's fundamentally different from having an
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ultra wide just because i divide things differently i have like things up against the left bezel on the right
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monitor and the right bezel the left left monitor and like i i organize things around two displays differently
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than i do around one huge display yeah but like the software has to really facilitate that and that was a bit of a
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challenge i don't know i just i look at this device and i'm like can we save this like i want this to keep going and
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get better but the the amount of things that i would have to change in order to save it in my own view
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is so long that i don't know that it's worth going like i would want it to have an outside display i'd wanted to have
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better cameras better battery life all this makes the thing way thicker suddenly it's like this huge chunky dual
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screen thing like is it even sleek anymore right i don't know a factor that i think will trickle down into the other
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devices as well that we talked about today is that as much as microsoft makes products that
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sells them to consumers i think a primary focus for it has always been enterprise
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and in its mind it's like it doesn't really matter if these are sixteen hundred dollars fifteen hundred dollars
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because if a business buys them in bulk and gives them to their employees and they
00:26:02
can do microsoft teams you know it's like and you can use excel then it like it doesn't matter how
00:26:09
expensive they are and you should actually make them more expensive because you'll make more money on that and bigger businesses don't care about that because it's a tax write-off
00:26:15
because they're using them as devices so it's like that's something that has always sort of like conflicted with me and all of
00:26:22
microsoft's uh surface products is that it seems like they focus so much on the
00:26:28
enterprise side they do that the consumers tend to suffer on the future end yeah i i do find myself reviewing a
00:26:35
lot of things where i know it's not for me yeah and this is another one where i'm like i'm re i open the thing up and
00:26:41
it's like sign into microsoft teams here's excel here's the things like a whole bunch of things that i know work
00:26:47
decently well that i just don't use yeah i'm like alright well it's not gonna be easy to recommend this to almost any
00:26:52
regular person but does that mean it shouldn't exist i guess not it could still exist but yeah it's tough
00:27:01
it's like one the os last year on the surface duo one was just so it was the
00:27:06
gl it was probably the glitchiest phone i've ever used in my entire life top top five for me i don't know what
00:27:14
was glitchier i gotta think about i mean of the year it was definitely tops up there the the royal flex pie was a
00:27:19
disaster but it it didn't really ever have any promise of being anything better than a disaster sure or this was
00:27:25
like a 1500 microsoft product i thought it would be better i was never trying to be anything other than it was trying to
00:27:31
be lately yeah so i yeah i agree this is it it had its problems but you know we'll see i'm going to get my hands on
00:27:36
it still i mean it's going to come out people will be able to buy it yeah it's going to exist so i will say i like as someone who wears
00:27:44
shirts with shirt pockets all the time like the dream of like keeping your phone in your shirt pocket and have it
00:27:50
be that thin and like if you've seen the movie her it's like a passports yeah in the movie her uh phones are like the duo
00:27:57
where their little their little pocket books that look like passports in a way and they have a little camera bump on
00:28:03
the on the back and you only like you open it up like a clutch
00:28:08
when you want to use it okay and they're actually pretty cool but uh and he and the main character keeps it in his shirt
00:28:14
pocket and then he can like stream to his ai assistant with video because it's
00:28:20
peeking out of his shirt anyway interesting it's a very it's yeah yeah great movie if you haven't seen it but we'll get our hands on the second one
00:28:26
i'm excited to play with it we'll see if they can fix the software issues yeah so
00:28:32
then we have some other things come out we had surface pro 8 and surface laptop studio those are the two other main ones
00:28:38
service pro 8 i feel like we can go through pretty briefly unless yeah crazy thoughts i mean it's the it's a 1099
00:28:44
starting it is their uh tablet with a it's this guy it's this guy yeah but it is for for our audio
00:28:51
listeners it's a it's a tablet with a kickstand with an attachable keyboard yes and it's got you know core i5 and
00:28:57
core i7 options it's got up to a terabyte of storage two usb c ports they're thunderbolt four ports now which
00:29:03
is great huge it's got a headphone jack it's got service connect fast charging uh you can spend up to 2 600 bucks on
00:29:09
this thing and that can be your machine yeah how are we feeling about this refresh yeah i mean um they made
00:29:15
the bezels on the left and right sides smaller which was huge because when the surface pro x came out which was the arm
00:29:22
the arm laptop they made they worked with qualcomm to make the sq1 i wanted to be good so i know it was
00:29:28
tough i know like windows on arm is still not good and emulation is not good
00:29:33
and just too many companies haven't ported their apps over and battery life sucks and and for some reason that
00:29:40
that computer of course because i had the x name got like the latest and greatest hardware features so it had the
00:29:46
thinner bezels yeah they finally brought those thinner bezels to the eight which i like a lot um they're still
00:29:52
generally thick-ish bezels on the top and bottom but it doesn't really matter as much because the
00:29:59
keyboard actually like lifts up right and it covers the bottom bezel so
00:30:04
it doesn't really hide that that's where you hide the pen and that's where you hide the pen which is cool yeah i will
00:30:10
show the camera real quick for those uh on audio only just imagine the keyboard
00:30:15
on a laptop popping down a little bit hiding with a little bit of magnets the new surface what's it called the slim
00:30:20
pen two slim pen two yeah um now one thing that is like a little bit of a travesty is
00:30:27
they sell this computer as a tablet and i think that microsoft is a little confused um as to what it
00:30:35
wants its surfaces to be because they they lean into the fact that like it's a full windows machine it's not like an
00:30:42
ipad it's not a tablet but then they also sell it like a tablet in that they
00:30:47
don't include the keyboard with it optional 180 accessories 280
00:30:52
280 the cheapest keyboard you can get is 180 but it doesn't include the pen oh right
00:30:59
if you want it with the pen it's 280 and then it's it's in 180
00:31:04
as well is very expensive right so if you just want to be able to use this as a laptop at all unless you buy your
00:31:11
own bluetooth keyboard and mouse you have to buy this which is actually ridiculous plus 30
00:31:16
and that's the interesting thing right is that like this starts at eleven hundred dollars without
00:31:22
the keyboard if you get the cheapest keyboard it's still fourteen hundred you can get a macbook air m1 for like
00:31:28
nine hundred dollars right so so your question would be like all right the buyer that's picking this over that
00:31:35
wants a couple things that this offers that that doesn't one would be windows windows two would be touch screen yeah
00:31:41
three would be the ability to disconnect the screen with the keyboard for some reason for some reason and
00:31:48
there are some reasons there's real reasons every time i do this i get it no i know yeah yeah why would you ever want to do that and then everyone who does it
00:31:54
every day is like i do this every day because here's the things that i want to do artists do actually really like these and the the kickstand
00:32:01
can go back really dang far not bad
00:32:06
exactly so yeah [Laughter] but yeah i mean a 120 hertz display is
00:32:13
amazing thunderbolt 4 is amazing uh and that is like going to be a bigger
00:32:19
a bigger little rant that i have still got volume buttons still got volume buttons yeah yeah so that's nice
00:32:26
and two usb-c ports so yeah it's a nice little device uh i think for most people
00:32:32
it'll be a good option it a lot of college students have surfaces yeah uh for similar reasons i think it's gonna
00:32:38
be up to the surface pro a or like a macbook m1 um either an air or a pro
00:32:44
probably an air yeah as to what they get for college um i have many thoughts about this
00:32:49
thunderbolt thing and we can either save that for the laptop studio or we can talk about it now yeah let's go right to
00:32:56
laptop studio okay and then talk about that so the laptop studio is unknown if this at the moment if this
00:33:02
replaces the surface book or not but it's a laptop yeah and this laptop has
00:33:07
an interesting i should have it with me but i don't it's got a hinge feature when we made a whole video about it pops the bottom half of the laptop screen off
00:33:14
yeah and can dock at 45 degrees right above the track position
00:33:21
the surface studio right we have the desktop version which which tilted down as well now you have this ability in
00:33:27
your laptop it's also 120 hertz touch screen and it's running windows 11. it's got the whole it's got a it's an i5 or an i7
00:33:34
it's up to i think 32 gigs of ram yeah it's a 3050 ti yeah it's it's also only
00:33:41
got two usbc ports yeah and it's a little bit pricier to get this to work
00:33:47
it starts at 15.99 without the integrated gpu 2100 with it right so okay i mean laptops are fine i like
00:33:54
laptops i really like this the other surface books of past i like the surface book three they made it all matte black
00:34:00
version so i really like the surface book three and now the four has that too but uh this hinge thing yeah
00:34:08
i i would never use that yeah just personally i would never use that microsoft has a history of making like
00:34:14
really weird wonky products just to like test the waters right and just like with the duo um they actually have a very
00:34:20
rich history of like really messing up the first generation product and then fixing it in the second okay i don't
00:34:26
think the second will be fixed because i think the use case is fundamentally flawed however
00:34:32
um you know the surface book was a really interesting idea uh if for listeners that like don't know
00:34:39
about what the surface book is really it is a tablet as well for pretty much all the surfaces are tablets except for
00:34:46
laptop yeah they're like convertible yeah and it was cool because if you got the 15-inch version especially it was
00:34:52
like one of the biggest tablets you could buy it's a 15-inch fully windows 10
00:34:57
like tablet and then you would dock it into this base that had a gpu in it it
00:35:03
had an extra battery in it had a really good keyboard in it so it was kind of like and then you
00:35:08
could flip it over and it was similar to the easel where you could like flip the screen around dock it and then put it
00:35:16
down and that way you could do your drafting on it yeah um this i think i'll
00:35:21
just say i think this surface laptop studio has the form factor advantage just because obviously you can't take
00:35:27
the screen off of the keyboard anymore yeah but that means now you don't have to have the entire computer in this screen
00:35:33
which means it's much thinner it's still a little thicker than normal but it's fine and then you get the weight at the bottom and it's much better as a laptop
00:35:40
in my opinion yeah uh kind of like the surface laptops in the past really like those but
00:35:46
is it better than a normal laptop for having a hinge this is a question whenever manufacturers make two-in-ones
00:35:53
the question is always is the two-in-one better than is it is it better at either of those
00:36:00
things or is it as good at either of those things right it's always i think fundamentally going to have to be
00:36:06
slightly worse at both but which will it lean towards being good at yeah this one's better as a laptop than
00:36:13
it is as a tablet yeah you can't disconnect the keyboard so you can do this like screen flip down thing and
00:36:19
then you've got the full computer in your arm it's like honestly it's not a great tablet yeah but you can put it down and draw on it right that's cool so
00:36:26
it is a tablet in that way yeah um but yeah i i as a as a very firm believer that you do
00:36:34
have to sacrifice a little bit i find that the overall user experience maybe it doesn't matter to some people because you can only buy one device but the
00:36:41
overall user experience of having both devices is typically better but you don't want
00:36:46
to carry both yeah you don't want to carry both and the surface books were big um i've had every surface book since they released i had the one two and
00:36:52
three and i thought it was an incredibly innovative design when it first came out
00:36:58
it was really cool the hinge was amazing but they just kind of kept that design for a very long time
00:37:03
and can sit like the tablet it was so cool they had a 15 inch tablet but like you said before because the entire
00:37:09
computer had to be in like most of the computer except for the gpu and the extra battery had to be in the screen
00:37:16
itself it was so heavy yeah that like the use cases you would use a tablet for of like watching a movie in bed your
00:37:22
armors would get tired immediately like it was like drop it on your face yeah yeah it wasn't a great situation um
00:37:29
this one's really interesting and i think i'm wondering how many people will use the easel mode
00:37:35
and how often they'll use it all the marketing was around gaming yeah so controller
00:37:41
tilted screen which i mean you could do that without tilting it exactly and it's a very microsoft thing to be like oh
00:37:47
yeah gaming means xbox controller right which is like whatever but i was kind of
00:37:53
hoping that if microsoft finally made a surface book that was not completely
00:37:58
self-contained in the screen itself and had a base and it had wires attaching itself that they would be able to make it like
00:38:05
very high powered and i still think that microsoft could really benefit by making an xbox gaming laptop
00:38:12
or like something of that nature like a razer competitor type thing yes because no but there is no razer competitor in
00:38:19
terms of like build quality now they obviously have like a lot of issues their batteries swell and all these
00:38:24
problems but like the materials they use the thinness
00:38:30
there there isn't a comp there isn't competition right now really yeah it's been a couple years since i've legitimately felt like i could compare
00:38:36
any other laptop to a razer blade yeah just because they've been nailing that for so many years like there's way faster laptops that are about as thin
00:38:43
but the build quality is not the same right um so i feel like and like microsoft really has the xbox brand and
00:38:50
xboxes are becoming more of pcs now so it's like you should really lean into that sure um but either way i mean if
00:38:57
you have now that you have thunderbolt at least it gives you the option to use a egpu yeah which is a big deal before
00:39:04
we get into the thunderbolt yes my favorite thing about the surface studio laptop service laptop studio what is it
00:39:10
called again laptop service laptop studio yeah is the double decker design i saw it at first
00:39:16
and i thought it was like oh this is kind of weird why is it double decker no it's nice right so all of the bottom
00:39:22
the top half looks like a thin macbook pro essentially yeah yeah uh and then
00:39:27
underneath it there's like a platform where you get like another quarter inch of laptop yeah that's where all the
00:39:32
ventilation is so it's like blowing air out the sides which is like a little different than usual it's like blowing on your hands whatever but then
00:39:40
when you look at it from the top it still looks like a thin laptop because you don't see the bottom part yeah so
00:39:46
you only see like a thin laptop like kind of with the shadow underneath yeah it's like it's floating it looks like a
00:39:52
thin laptop covering like that trick that we all used to do when we did smartphone reviews of like putting the
00:39:57
phone on top of something to give it kind of that like 3d depth look yeah like for a laptop i i was super into
00:40:03
that i saw it at first in like the renders and the videos i was like that's an odd version of a laptop yeah
00:40:09
architecture and yeah i got in person i was like oh yeah great yeah it is also a smart way to like
00:40:15
only get rid of a little bit of internal component space while still making it look thinner yeah because if they had
00:40:22
like rounded that out for the whole base it would be a chunky boy yup
00:40:27
chunky boy facts so we got two ports on the side both of them are usb type-c thunderbolt 4.
00:40:33
i was hoping for more ports maybe some people were hoping a laptop like this would have usb-a even but i'm just kind
00:40:40
of bummed that there's only two ports and there's no sd card yeah every laptop marketing themselves to create a
00:40:46
professional should have an sd card so yeah just saying there's so few it's like even even razer you have to get the
00:40:53
creator one which has like which has like a um some crazy gpu that is used for only
00:40:59
like 3d modeling yeah like the studio edition or whatever give me that card slot i know so would you go egpu with
00:41:06
this or no uh yeah so like the 3050 ti is fine um i think it could run a lot of
00:41:12
modern games at 1080p uh but the surface laptop studio is like a 3k display like
00:41:19
they've had this really amazing 3k display that they've used actually since the surface book one and it's a great display so they don't really need to
00:41:25
change it and now it's 100 but now it's 120 hertz right and if you want to run games at 120
00:41:31
hertz i don't even know if you you could probably could not run most modern titles at 1080 120 right
00:41:37
and so egpu is a great option um and for those that don't know
00:41:44
there's thunderbolt 4 and there's usb4 and they're a little bit different uh usb4 is much more similar to thunderbolt
00:41:51
3. intel owns thunderbolt yep and because of that normally you'd have to pay a licensing
00:41:59
fee to intel to be able to use this laptops before the only the reason you
00:42:04
only saw high-end laptops having thunderbolt 3 was because it required a separate
00:42:10
module that you'd have to put in the computer but now they built that into tiger lake so the intel processors now
00:42:18
have done they basically just have thunderbolt 3 built in and surfaces have never had thunderbolt and it's always
00:42:23
been incredibly frustrating for me uh because every year when i would upgrade from the surface book one to the
00:42:29
two to three i would be hoping like oh my gosh i think that was my only complaint about the surface laptop too
00:42:34
yeah and when i saw leaks they were adding usb-c a usb-c port i was like that's gonna be a thunderbolt port and it wasn't and there were these
00:42:40
conspiracies that the surface book two didn't add it because there were not enough pcie lanes because the surface
00:42:46
connect port like requires two pcie lanes and the cpu only has 12 and so all
00:42:52
this stuff um and they just never added it and then there was a leaked
00:42:57
like internal like memo about why they didn't add it to the three
00:43:02
uh they got confirmed and they said the reasoning was that it was a direct connection to the memory because you can
00:43:09
put 40 gigabits per second through through there straight to the memory and they were like i this is another example
00:43:16
of microsoft just like thinking about the business use cases of things much more than they think about
00:43:22
like the consumer use case yeah and they were like it's gonna be easier to hack
00:43:27
into something that has that much data throughput through a single port wow which is like sure um
00:43:34
i think it's because they wanted to sell more surface connect docks which are these like really expensive
00:43:40
docks that connect to the surface connect port they add a bunch of ports you get extra ports
00:43:46
still no card slots yeah and when i when i was at intel i
00:43:51
remember they only issued us these lenovo laptops that did the same thing that had these giant like port things
00:43:59
that would connect into the side of the computer for some reason this is a very enterprise thing i think the idea is
00:44:05
because when you have people in cubicles they have uh they have multiple monitors and to
00:44:11
connect to multiple monitors easily with a laptop the easiest way to do that is with a dock of some kind right so they
00:44:17
would issue us a dock they would just the laptop and like two 4k displays um but now but now microsoft can't really
00:44:24
say no because it's built into tiger lake right yeah so they would have to like turn it off and i think they'd get
00:44:31
a lot more backlash for that just just just roll it now okay but it's fantastic because like egpus like my friend one of
00:44:38
my friends has always loved surface pro devices and every couple years he buys the new one
00:44:45
and he can sort of play his games on them okay and then as games get harder to play he can't anymore but he can't
00:44:51
just get a new gpu so that has always sucked i love this um so that's great all right that's a
00:44:57
perfect segue though because we got to talk about intel yes we got to talk about intel because intel
00:45:02
intel um intel put out uh an advertisement it's on their youtube
00:45:08
channel [Music] have you ever seen those uh those like social experiment videos like
00:45:15
you've seen the febreze commercials where they'll be like they'll blindfold somebody and bring them in a room and be like where do you think you are right
00:45:21
now and they'll be like i am in a i'm in a clean room and then they take the blindfold off and they're in a dumpster
00:45:27
it's like that's what intel tried they just keep doing this and they've had a long history of really cringy
00:45:35
insecure ads yeah especially targeting apple with i mean they're they're
00:45:40
getting attacked from every direction but for some reason they just keep going at apple yeah and they put out their latest one this week i feel like we'll
00:45:47
just cut to maybe a brief audio clip of it so you can get a sense of the cringe uh it's pretty bad
00:45:53
[Music] the music starting off is already just corporate credit you know it's coming
00:46:00
you know it's corporate cringy so they're setting the scene going right for april
00:46:05
right for apple right ravel [Music]
00:46:11
oh gosh who's who just sits like that in a room just being like i don't know hi there how are you good you i'm great
00:46:19
thank you i'm kevin i'm going to be your mom okay pause so so they're setting the scene already
00:46:25
with like this cannot go well from here on out they're setting the stage with we're going to tell these people about
00:46:32
products that are presumably apple products yeah but they're going to be surprised when we tell them they're not
00:46:38
out products this cannot go well this cannot be enjoyable for anyone to watch this
00:46:44
cannot be a good commercial you've already lost but go ahead and tell let's let's play it yeah are you a big apple
00:46:49
fan i am yeah yeah all apple apple apple i'm an apple girl in the apple world i am 100 percent loyal to apple this is
00:46:57
all about getting your opinions uh that didn't sound like manufactured
00:47:02
whatsoever i love that they always have to say these aren't actors i don't think i saw that in the in the
00:47:08
fine print for this one but who talks like it yeah i am 100 loyal to apple never heard anyone say
00:47:14
that in real life i'm sure someone would say it sarcastically oh my goodness but um yeah okay yeah yeah let's go ready to
00:47:22
get started [Music] i'd love to have the freedom to customize that'd be amazing if you could
00:47:28
i hate that you can't add more ram after you make the wrong decision and get the computer once you're committed to that
00:47:33
thing there's no easy way in to change that out well i want to show you something regarding
00:47:38
customization then pause this has come up before because they've done other ads against apple in the past
00:47:46
yeah but there's still several laptops powered by intel that apple makes oh yeah where you are locked into the
00:47:52
amount of ram you have it's a perfectly legitimate complaint like oh you can't change your ram but also you can't change your ram in
00:47:58
every windows laptop either actually it's also very true that you can change your ram it's very it is like a feature
00:48:05
so the fact that they're so specifically calling out this really narrow complaint is kind of odd
00:48:14
it's not like that's an intel thing where now that you've got an intel laptop you can change your ram it's like that's not really true i think the
00:48:20
reason is because it always used to be the apple like i'm a pc i'm a mac commercials because it's apple versus
00:48:27
microsoft that's what they're angling but now that apple is the one that's like apple
00:48:33
didn't want to yell it into intel didn't want to yell at apple and like make fun of apple because they had a partnership where
00:48:40
they made the chips in their laptops but now that there's this two-year transition to m1 everything yeah we must
00:48:47
go at apple and all of their laptops they get too much good press and now they're like okay but please still buy
00:48:53
our stuff like it's just such a desperate move okay let's continue well i want to show you something
00:48:58
regarding customization then more corbett core
00:49:07
laptops [Music] i can't
00:49:13
pause right there okay so that frame was just a bunch of black boxes sliding into place
00:49:19
everyone in the commercial was like everyone went yeah i want that in my laptop that didn't
00:49:24
show anything anything that i that's all i had said oh my goodness okay all right
00:49:31
yes please as to being able to get back to doing those things myself that's very exciting
00:49:37
to me what is why did you just show
00:49:46
oh numbers oh hey that's a big number
00:49:51
that's probably how i'd rather you play all of these games effortlessly on one device that would be amazing oh i'd be
00:49:58
stoked my kids would be ecstatic well i recognize a bunch of those games that definitely can't be
00:50:04
played on my computer so pause okay all right all right so common trope max
00:50:11
can game sure um that is not because of the chip that is because of the software yeah and
00:50:17
there's another thing where we talk about like the reason people buy a laptop is not because it
00:50:22
has intel inside as much as people who work for intel would like to think nice somebody buying an intel laptop they
00:50:28
must like intel it's not because of the internet it's because of intel yes there are
00:50:33
other things like the windows 11 that might be running on it or maybe some other hardware features it's got a nice
00:50:38
keyboard and a screen and a battery and a build quality like fact most people now buy amd laptops because it's amd exactly
00:50:46
right if you want to bring up a gaming point i'm sure amd would have a lot to say about which that was the last point i wanted to make about this stuff was
00:50:52
about the microsoft stuff is like i wish they went with amd but intel has very weird tight relationships yeah yeah
00:50:59
but they could put usb 4 in it it wouldn't be 40 it wouldn't be 32 gigabytes but anyway it would be a
00:51:04
minimum of 10 gigabits per second instead of a minimum of 32 gigabits per second but yeah i digress
00:51:10
let's continue with oh one other thing that guy he was like he was like you can play all of these
00:51:15
games seamlessly it's like they can run yeah but if you have like a
00:51:20
three hundred dollar like yeah on some of our chips also also it's gp that's mostly g for
00:51:27
you bound anyway that's the video this is not the intel chip running the game yeah okay like a little bit sure okay let's
00:51:34
go a touchscreen touchscreen touch screen
00:51:39
will be agreed with that pause i like that is that a real thing prop i wonder i don't know
00:51:45
most mac users who i talk to are like i don't really care i love touchscreens and i use them for photoshop i like i
00:51:52
feel like that's a legit that's thing it's a legit thing but i also wonder like you started out the top people going
00:51:58
like i love apple apple is my i'm a sheep i only want apple stuff
00:52:04
i am an apple sheep none of these people would ever think about a touchscreen mac os
00:52:11
experience would they they have an ipad right i mean i would okay look i i came from a
00:52:17
windows background i use windows and and mac now i do wish like everyone always says like i wish
00:52:24
that the ipad could be a com more of a laptop and everyone says i wish that my laptop could be more of an
00:52:30
ipad so ultimately i think just having the option of a touch screen is a good thing
00:52:35
yeah i'm just imagining like if i asked a mac person what is their laptop missing i i would have a hard time
00:52:40
saying they would go straight yeah especially if they don't really know the benefits of it because they haven't used it before yeah they would go i want ipad
00:52:46
on on it i don't know just we'll see anyway okay continue what about two oh here we go i have a i have
00:52:52
a touch bar on my laptop okay as we go into this next point go ahead yeah okay
00:53:08
4k touch screen displays you like that idea uh yeah i like that idea because i
00:53:15
know that i would end up loving it that doesn't make any sense that's interesting
00:53:20
if there is something to travel with everything altogether yeah that'd be amazing i would like to have my ipad and
00:53:25
my laptop combined that's really okay yeah that's real uh they showed the
00:53:30
asus zenbook pro duo i love that laptop yeah the uh it's a
00:53:35
risk for most people to take because it's expensive as heck very expensive it does have that 4k matte angled second
00:53:43
touch screen which is it's like a mech it's like a touch bar on steroids yeah it's a lot yeah um you have to use a
00:53:49
separate wrist rest with it yeah because otherwise you're touching the trackpad it's just weird it has a great keyboard
00:53:55
it's it's a weird device that i think very few people will buy but once they do buy it they actually end up loving it is that possible is
00:54:02
that possible okay all right go for it i'm gonna show you something if that's
00:54:07
okay okay we're right back this is a two and one that's great laptop that's
00:54:13
awesome but it's 2009.
00:54:18
that kind of eliminates the need of an ipad it actually folds all the way back i don't fold it all the way back go
00:54:23
forward my computer will probably snap if i try that if i had this option i don't know if i could put it down yeah i
00:54:29
love this yeah okay welcome to 2007. so yeah don't try that on your macbook but
00:54:34
i um again i'm picturing the apple guy walks into best buy yeah he walks right
00:54:40
past all those tuna ones every time yeah they've been there for years for years it's not like you've never seen this is
00:54:45
this possible yes it's been okay okay so they've been out there yeah does does the apple person like
00:54:53
wonder because they're thinking these are apple products are they going oh apple's finally done it yeah or are they
00:54:58
thinking like oh another pc that i don't i can't imagine that these people legit
00:55:05
think that these are real apple products that are coming out who know maybe they do that the funny thing is like when
00:55:10
they show the like they showed like the tent mode and i remember when the the first lenovo yoga books came out that
00:55:16
did that and it's just it's kind of just like the surface uh laptop studio where
00:55:22
they have to come up with as many modes as possible just to make it seem like you have all these options yeah and the
00:55:28
tent mode was like i could watch a video but it's closer to
00:55:34
the ground now instead of like having a keyboard i don't have a keyboard you could also watch a video with your
00:55:41
laptop in laptop mode yeah i don't know yeah it's an odd it's a thing okay let's
00:55:46
go what if i told you that everything we've been talking about today is available
00:55:52
now where do i sign up but this was not that's great that is a
00:55:57
pc powered by intel
00:56:02
yeah really like oh i don't actually want it now
00:56:09
whoa is this real life right now what wow that is the device that they were just
00:56:15
holding wow i think these guys are more interested in the rgb really than they are in the laptops that's beautiful it
00:56:21
looks like a piece of artwork oh you guys have to sign me up if i said all the right things he did i would say
00:56:27
there's a lot more options than with mac i am surprised yeah everything i know
00:56:32
i'm gonna have to upgrade what i know in my mind okay
00:56:38
so that last section like reminds me of like when i when i shot retrotech
00:56:44
we do a lot of interviews with people and we had a story that we wanted to tell
00:56:49
because we'd done our research and we knew how the story went and so we wanted to get people to say
00:56:55
certain things but we didn't want to tell them to say the thing so we'd prompt them in different ways
00:57:01
around that thing to get them to fill in the blanks for us okay and i i can already tell that when they
00:57:09
went in that room there was a producer like so how does this compare to max oh so what is what would this make you
00:57:15
say about comparing it directly to apple like they definitely prompted them over and over and over again to get some of
00:57:22
those lines out of those people yeah pretty cringe if you ask me um but that's the commercial that's
00:57:28
that's what they uploaded today and thought yeah we've done it yeah we've really done it this time it just feels like a desperation move
00:57:35
like the thing i know they've been doing this for years and like multiple companies i've been doing this for years it's true but it's
00:57:41
a common style it's such a it's such a desperation i mean it's to be fair like intel's getting hit from all sides right
00:57:47
now that's the thing yeah like you're okay you're firing at apple with this ad yeah which is like they're eating some
00:57:53
of your lunch but also like what about amd over here i haven't seen any amd targeted ads yet i don't know if they're
00:57:59
working on anything yeah yeah that's another angle they're getting attacked from i don't understand how they do they
00:58:04
you're saying desperation mode but it's like do they think these ads are the answer to changing public opinion about
00:58:11
intel again i don't think most people are buying their laptop
00:58:17
because it's intel powered yeah i think there are a long list of things before that that are the reason they're getting
00:58:23
this laptop i think that intel likes to ride on the innovation of
00:58:28
their like actual laptop manufacturers like all of the features the
00:58:34
upgradability the yeah the swiveling all the hardware oems come up with all this cool stuff yeah that's all asus and acer
00:58:40
and so if you can fire at apple maybe you you you plant this seed in people's
00:58:45
heads of like apple doesn't have all these options right look at all these intel powered options right but it's not
00:58:51
until that's doing that innovation i know so yeah that's a little bit awkward just say like we have so much more
00:58:57
choice on the pc side we power all of this power all this crazy choice which is
00:59:04
like congrats yeah well done keep getting better at that yeah but yeah i mean i
00:59:09
yeah like it's great it's great that in the laptop space you do have a crazy amount of choice for your use case um
00:59:16
the choice also includes the choice to not use intel and use amd tax and i get why they're
00:59:22
freaking out like amd's gaining a lot more market share their latest chips are insane um
00:59:28
they're they're now trying to make gpus because they're trying to get in the gpu game because they're a little bit afraid that
00:59:34
like they're not innovating as fast as everybody else in the in the cpu space yeah and honestly everyone who has been
00:59:40
the traditional cpu manufacturer should be a little worried right now qualcomm should be worried because google's making their
00:59:46
own ship samsung makes their own chips apple makes their own chips there's rumors that oppo group is going to start
00:59:51
making their own ships even in the mobile space and and i think intel's feeling the heat
00:59:56
too but this stuff is like a cycle like sometimes amd stuff is really great and then they are really bad and then
01:00:02
they're really great and really bad yeah and you got to have respect for the engineering that goes into all this competition yeah i just think the ads
01:00:08
are so yeah so easy to make fun of and so cringy at the same time i here's my
01:00:14
question yeah let's bet let's let's place a bet from today's date okay
01:00:20
how long do you think they'll keep doing this style of apple targeted ads
01:00:27
will they do another one a year from now probably probably two years from now will they do another one
01:00:33
maybe maybe when m1x comes out they might do another one i think they're going to keep doing yeah at least yeah
01:00:39
the m1x macbook pros are around the corner i think they do this
01:00:44
at least a year from now i think in october 2022 yeah there's another yeah
01:00:49
intel ad and it's like i don't want that i don't know why they think this is the answer how do these keep getting
01:00:55
approved how does this cringy idea keep happening with all these different companies the chevy ads the febreze ads yeah i don't know but you know what it's
01:01:02
content yeah we're talking about it did they win a little bit because we're talking about it no no
01:01:07
no i don't know this is the thing right like is is this ad supposed to like remind people that
01:01:12
intel exists cause like do people not know that intel exists like that's the thing like it that's why it feels
01:01:18
desperate because i feel like everyone already knows that intel exists because they did an incredible marketing
01:01:24
campaign in the 80s where they would sell you their chips for cheaper in bulk if you put the intel inside sticker on
01:01:30
your laptop and it was one of the best guerrilla marketing campaigns that has ever existed a lot of people don't know
01:01:35
that yeah but yeah that for those who don't know yeah the sticker on the laptop that
01:01:40
like would say intel inside that you'd be like who cares intel's inside great but that's it was a reason why they put
01:01:46
it there yeah it's a great tactic yeah so yeah i don't know i
01:01:51
we'll keep seeing them i think they're gonna keep making these commercials i don't know if they're gonna stop but i think that they get through so many corporate like layers that they're just
01:01:58
going oh yeah let's make an ad just to convince people we're better i don't know yeah they're gonna keep you in it yeah i think that's that's
01:02:04
probably where we're ending i appreciate the light-hearted note that we can end this on because there's a there's a lot
01:02:09
happening this week and we'll we'll definitely we'll get our hands on surface duo too yep we've already
01:02:15
already done a video on the surface laptop studio which was a fun one this is not
01:02:20
it i'm just holding my laptop here in the studio yes and we have the surface pro 8 as well but much more to
01:02:27
come it's tech tober there's always stuff happening so stay tuned for that as well yeah but that's been it all
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