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[Music] welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts i'm marquez and i'm andrew and today we've
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got a couple pretty big stories we've got the adventures of the day without facebook all the stuff that happened and
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and why and what went down which was a monday of course and then we've got the new surface
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products which is a whole new lineup and we made a video about them and then we've got one single new cringy intel ad that i just want to
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go over from rant about yeah uh so we've got you here with me we'll have david on in the second half of the podcast as
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well we'll talk surface stuff but i say we start with facebook yeah that was that was the big story of the internet
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this week is on a monday bright and early i'm sure in california time it was probably like
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seven eight a.m when all started one p.m eastern so okay so eleven ten eleven twelve yeah something like that facebook goes down and you probably kind of noticed the the series of things that
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happened which is you try to go on facebook you realize it's not loading you check your wi-fi you're like why is my wi-fi
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not working but your wi-fi is working so you're like oh is facebook down so then you go to i don't know instagram just to
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see if it works yeah yeah yeah instagram's also down and then you go start figuring out connecting the dots most of us are like we're on twitter and we're seeing everybody else say that facebook
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is down and instagram's down and all that yeah i don't i don't check facebook that often so i found out because it was
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trending on twitter and i hadn't checked instagram yet that day so it was all sort of trending on twitter at once that
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a bunch of stuff that facebook runs and owns is down at the same time they're all connected yeah i think that's what
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it didn't hit me what the magnitude of that was at first because i saw facebook down on twitter thought
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cool i don't use it that much just like you i mean i use it to communicate with my family sometimes that's down who cares yeah then you realize instagram's
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connected and that's the first pretty big one it's like okay i like instagram way more than facebook yeah that one kind of hurts a little bit
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and then it just keeps going like you don't realize what it's and then whatsapp's down which right facebook
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also owns whatsapp and we don't use it that much we use sms mostly i mean we still have like slack and some other
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messaging apps but whatsapp is gigantic internationally it's massive yeah millions and millions of people use whatsapp and we'll go over that in a
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second yeah but like we've seen outages like this in the past like when amazon's web services go down when aws goes down
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you realize how many sites on the internet depend on aws and they're all down at once and usually it's brief but
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you'll notice like wow there's a lot that's actually all connected here so yeah we we saw the the solar small world
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of the internet as facebook.com and all those services facebook messenger instagram all of that
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whatsapp even oculus yeah oculus was kind of funny to me because it's just like oh like just the last thing i would
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ever imagine to be hit by facebook being down is like i can't play vr now that's facebook but it
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just makes total sense yeah you have to log in through oculus which brings me to my next thing where
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when we first start seeing it kind of outside of the general facebook realm because you know like facebook instagram
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whatsapp they're all directly owned by facebook so it all makes sense yeah then i saw like michael fisher tweeting about
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how he couldn't even go on his to-do list because he had he logged in through facebook on
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his to-do list app yes so imagine all this i mean the second order the majority of times when
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i download some new app that i'm not that excited about but i just want to have it because maybe it does one nice
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thing if it gives me the option to log in through facebook or google i'll do it because it's so much quicker than just
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oh interesting um making a new account every time yeah there's different philosophies with that i
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never ever log in through facebook that's my that's been my mentality i do log in through google with some things and then apple now will let you literally make a new fake email address
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to sign up so if you sign in through apple you can just bypass all of that sort of tracking but i i want to go over
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the explanation for exactly what happened first and then we can go over like the experience and the effects
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because there were a lot of them so a lot of people were asking like marquez are you gonna make a video about what happened and like when are we gonna
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figure out why everything was down for like several hours yeah which is a while we finally did get an explanation i'm
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not probably gonna make a video about it but it is interesting to read and we'll link it below but we kind of have the cliff notes here i have a
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it's a very s brief too long didn't read but the briefness of this is still fairly long because it was a huge
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explanation of what happened highly suggest reading it'll be in the show notes like you said um so essentially
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i'm gonna try and break this down here and this is very very brief there's way more nuance to all of this scientific
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i don't know if i can get i'm not an engineer okay i don't fully understand everything so this is what i gathered so
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essentially facebook has a bunch of physical data centers globally yep makes sense some of them are gigantic but what
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they do have is they have a bunch of smaller ones that generally connect to all of these together so you know we
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have all our physical facilities that are around the world and those are all connected and they kind of call that the
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back the backbone network of kind of the broader facebook and everything that facebook
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owns is all connected through this backbone network now when you use an app or go to facebook or anything it generally sends
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a request to one of these smaller facilities before then going into all the data centers to request permissions
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or whatever send it back to your phone that's pretty much how general internet usage gets processed uh
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at least through facebook here now between those facilities it's all managed by different routers and
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everything because you know you're sending information into a smaller facility then it has to get sent out to one of the
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bigger data centers so in a general maintenance of some of these routers which they have to go down all the time
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because you know different things need to get work done maybe there's some physical lines that have to be worked maybe uh they need to do some
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configuration on something different can't have 100 up yeah exactly so they're used to doing this in like small
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portions where you and i the user would never notice that they were doing it or never noticed there was any downtime
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apparently when they did one of these um they accidentally issued a command that unintentionally took down
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all of these routers and all of these connections between these smaller facilities into these larger data
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centers so basically no one could connect to these larger data centers it's like a dns issue like
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dns is basically like they call it the phone book of the internet it's it's certain numbers that send you to a url
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to yeah to them and then they send it back to you so essentially the dns was all messed up and nobody could find these data centers that store all of the information and everything that facebook
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owns globally yeah now that becomes kind of a problem not just because you can't connect to
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that but because of how much facebook themselves are on here internal messaging apps internal emails
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just like internal communication in general start going down yeah i saw an email that or a tweet that i saw most of
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this on twitter uh that yeah literally facebook employees could not communicate with each other because they were using
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facebook tools and facebook email addresses and all of those also didn't work so i believe some of them who were
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already logged into their outlook were okay because it was already connected but if you're not logged into that if
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you're not logged into a messenger if you had to log in or basically anything you were out you just weren't people is it true
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that facebook employees were locked out of the building because of some services it sounds like they didn't fully explain that it did
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see like there was issues maybe getting into some of the data centers um and i'm not 100 sure if that meant
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like they definitely couldn't remote into some of them they were having issues with that um so they did have to physically send people to these data
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centers around globally to get into them to physically and these facilities with the routing issues to to reset
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everything what a stressful car ride that probably was i can't even imagine like
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you're one of the biggest companies in the world and just you're down completely and there's nothing you can
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do except physically go to i mean this would be a great opportunity for like spot or something
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maybe who's remote on location and could potentially get in but um the end of this is pretty much they they
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finally get to the physical data centers because they had to actually go to them start getting everything going up they couldn't just throw everything up at one
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time they had to slow roll it out a little bit but that's why we slowly started seeing some people gaining access to instagram some people gaining
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access to facebook finally all came back up all of this ending up taking around five
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hours which for all of us on the internet probably sounds like a lifetime it's just weird that is a long time i i
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remember i've seen some stats about uh there's an occasional tweet about how much money each one of these companies
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makes per hour or something ridiculous like that so i just googled it looks like those couple hours resulted in
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about 60 million dollars of lost revenue because facebook's selling ads all the time facebook's running
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constant ads alongside videos and this is helping entire creative economy more i wonder if that's like literally just
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facebook and probably just facebook ads like the facebook website not not instagram not i feel like it would be
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more funny but if you think about it five hours for everything that happened for physically having to go to these data
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centers and fix it that's pretty quick i mean i'm sure it's an absolute mess for them and they would
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wish that would never happen ever again but yeah you got to give a little credit five hours to physically go to all these
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different places and fix the largest mess i think someone said the biggest internet outage since 2018 which is
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probably the aws services right okay yeah that's so there's a like we said there's like a first order effects
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second order effects too the first order effects were okay we can't go to facebook we can't use facebook messenger
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we can't use instagram or any of their services we can't use whatsapp we can't communicate through that
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second i order effect would actually loop oculus into like second order effects because you wouldn't expect it to go down but because you need to log into your oculus
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library through facebook people are saying and again most of this is seen on twitter because twitter was up the whole time most of the time um
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that they were unable to access games in their oculus library some some people's libraries vanished in front of their vr
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eyes because yeah facebook services weren't working and they couldn't validate that they actually owned any of the games
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which is crazy um i i love referencing a site called isitdownrightnow.com that site was hit so hard during this outage that it also went down yeah so is
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it down right now also was down it was basically replicating like a ddos attack which is the way that works is sending
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so much information to a single website that it can't handle the load well this was this wasn't an attack this was just
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something went down that is so big that so many people wanted to check that it went down and then also i i kind of
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asked sort of passively wondering but also kind of really wanting to know how hard does like twitter usage
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spike during the outage of other services comparable to twitter so like this would be a perfect example facebook's gone you
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know how where do you go to talk about facebook and instagram being down at once you go to twitter
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usually and we did see twitter start to struggle with maybe their highest load ever which is really crazy and also um
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we saw what telegram saw some really impressive numbers because whatsapp was down for so long that apparently about
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70 million new people signed up for for telegram during that outage which is wild well played now i gotta say brand twitter was pretty on point during all of this i think telegram was tweeting at
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people like hey we're still up join us now uh twitter was just kind of like what's what's up everybody what's up literally
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everybody everyone everyone on the internet and uh a lot of brands chimed in that they weren't down
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while facebook was um i thought there was a healthy amount of like actually fun brand engagement on
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there's some fun brand engagement there's also just some great memes dunking on facebook which i think is the
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ultimate the ultimate upside to everything that happened is for people who aren't super into facebook or maybe
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even don't check instagram for us twitter users we had we had a field day it was a good day
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i think there was a couple that i think were my personal favorites and uh i think we just have to go over them
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they're good uh my absolute favorite one someone tweeted a picture of the facebook hq sign
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and then they put one of those spirit of halloween banners over it like it went out of business um if
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you're outside of the us essentially we have this store that pops up every fall that sells like purely halloween decorations and halloween costumes and seems to just immediately take over any
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semi out of business it's kind of like a spot it's a phenomenon like this business is only relevant
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two months of the year yeah one and a half months and there's one every mile it feels and they appear like
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everywhere like the second you start seeing pumpkin spice lattes you start seeing this store everywhere for
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halloween related stuff and they just find a way to swarm in they're kind of like lanternflies
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they're like an invasive species and they just find everyone going out of business and just buy all those buildings and make all of their money
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for a month yeah and they're just gone yep it's beautiful so they took over facebook perfect timing too yeah that's
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shiny new spirit of halloween headquarters you know over there we also had our fellow co-worker david tweeting
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guys i can't log into my ray-bans in reference to the uh new facebook ray-ban glasses which i find hilarious like what
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do you think those oh my god we're probably a little too new into those but if anyone using them we're using them as
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facebook went down in case you just have really expensive sunglasses i feel like yeah they were
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they're probably bricked they're probably bricked nice okay well done uh there's a lot of just twitter dancing
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on facebook yeah i enjoyed that tons of dancing on facebook it was fantastic but that's the thing about like okay that we
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we always see the monthly active users for people who go on facebook and those numbers are huge because it's monthly
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and over the course of a month i feel like every human i know will check facebook once like everyone has an
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account but the the spike is so much higher for sites like if tick tock were to go down
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that spike of how many people are typically on tick tock at once would be so much higher that it would it would
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probably have even more of an effect i think yeah but you know fake instagram is another one instagram is
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has a lot of people on every day instead of just casually passively checking a couple every few weeks yeah so i don't
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know it was it was kind of the perfect storm of like a lot of things happening at once twitter seeing all these people
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flooding in telegram seeing all these people flooding in it was uh it was a nice like small world type
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story for them it was kind of fun to just see everyone on one site for a little bit yeah i'd like to say
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i think one thing i took out of this and this is something you mentioned earlier that you do already but i will probably
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from now on not create new accounts through facebook or through google or something like that
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because heaven forbid it was something that i really needed to get into and one of these sites went down
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we can see it takes a while to get these back up if it's hard enough so i'll stop being lazy to get my accounts
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yeah yeah i i used to be terrified that if i ever logged into anything on facebook or or through facebook that it
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would post something from my account or something and even if this was never true because it never did
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i would just never give any anything access to my facebook account because it could see anything about me that's a really good point i never wanted to connect it that that closely
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uh google still knows probably more about me and i i have a bad habit of logging in through google so i'll take
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this opportunity to stop doing that as well but yeah i think we're on the same page that we've realized it's all very
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connected you brought up accidentally sharing things have you ever had those moments where like your finger slips and you hit some
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random button and it does something and you think it's shared somewhere and then you're just like scrambling through all
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your share button yeah i was on tick-tock and it i don't know if i hit i think i hit download and i just like i
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got this really quick loading bar status come up not saying what and i just went back to playing videos i was like what
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did i just do where did that just go i was scrolling through my text messages i was on twitter on instagram was like
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where did this share to and it just downloaded to my phone so a little panic attack but nice all right well we do
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also want to give a little bit of a chat to the microsoft event that happened this week and there's a little bit of hardware
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there too so we're going to have david come on and we'll talk about that surface duo surface laptop studio david
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oh hey welcome whoa whoa whoa wait you just you just appeared here in the chair i'm glad
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you're here is it still monday no it's not monday your ray-bans definitely took you offline for a minute there oh my gosh yeah oh my god
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yeah well i wasn't applying for more than six hours but uh yeah welcome to the uh the podcast thank you uh thank
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you for bringing me on here all right so all right we've got a microsoft event we're also expecting some more events
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coming this year but this one was kind of fun and of course we had panos delivering in his typical way a bunch of
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new microsoft products some expected some a little unexpected yeah i want to talk about surface duo 2 first and then
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we'll talk about the laptop stuff okay so we got the new surface duo finally yep first surface duo not so hot you know i
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reviewed it it it was uh it was a very expensive beautifully folding but incredibly dysfunctional uh piece of hardware it ran android it was what was it fifteen hundred dollars
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it was fifteen very expensive um awful cameras awful battery life awful software great yeah so the situation yeah so what happened was they
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they stuck with it and they made a new one which i'm glad i'm glad they didn't just give up right away so we have service 202 now it's running the latest
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ship nice snapdragon triple eight yep eight gigs of ram it has a 90 hertz display yeah for a pair of displays a
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little better and these displays kind of curve over the inside edge in a way that when you close it you can still read some edges
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yeah so this is kind of neat i you know we saw something like this with the galaxy note edge when it first came out
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tickers on the side of the display now the camera on the back is really interesting i haven't watched enough hands-on videos but i remember with the
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first surface duo it would fold over completely flat and it was really nice that it could do that now that it has a
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camera bump on the back i don't believe you can fold it perfectly flat anymore yeah yeah yeah
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yeah which is you know maybe that won't be as satisfying we are trying to mitigate it slightly though because if you if you imagine that the camera bump
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was like the camera bump was flat when you try to fold it over itself it would like it would like push against the
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corner of the camera bump so what they did was they angled the camera bump oh really so it's smart it's angled now and
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the camera bump itself has magnets in it now so when it closes when it folds over
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itself it actually like snap snaps okay to the camera bump nice so it's not like
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on a corner or anything yeah it's still going to cause like wobbling issues when you have it closed which is not great
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but yeah and it is ugly and yeah it's very ugly i remember when we first actually saw i
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think it's still in our video when we first saw the surface duo one we got a preview of it with panos and he he
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showed us these hardware prototypes and they ended up being the final version but he also showed us some software on his personal one yeah and his personal
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one had a camera bump on the back and he never talked about it he just showed us some software on it and put it away but
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it made it into the video and people were wondering like wait this one has like a hardware camera bump and it's matte black and the others are just like
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white with no camera bump so they've been thinking about it yeah they finally did it
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is this new set of things gonna save the surface um okay so there's like a wider thing with microsoft products that i'll probably get into more later where
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look this is again it's like fifteen hundred sixteen hundred dollars it's still expensive it's more expensive it yeah i think it's a hundred dollars more
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than it was last year which is like bold yeah it's very bold considering like it was that much um personally i i like the additions they made i think
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the ticker display is a good idea because i think the reason people are okay with buying foldable phones right
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now is that you can still use basic information while they're folded right you still have that ambient
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clock the ambient information yeah problem with the surface duo the original one was like you couldn't do anything with
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that thing while it was closed exactly it was just a brick yeah that was a that's a that's a fundamental piece of
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why foldables are are all different because they all have different levels of usability when they're close closed
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yeah like the galaxy fold has a really usable outside screen yeah the z flip has like a small but kind of usable
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outside bigger now the razer we really like that bigger outside screen display nothing on the side nothing on the
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original surface so this is like a ticker now notifications time yeah you're not really interacting with it
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but it's better than nothing yeah it's still like if you're at dinner and you need to like glance at the time and you're sitting there you don't have to
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open it right okay yeah all right and like i've always been a proponent of technology that is like only used when
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it needs to be used but there's some information that you get from your technology that always needs to be
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available it's like a smart watch also always needs to be able to be a watch right
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so having that time there all the time is very useful um i like the curve display for that reason
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and i think it makes the gap in between seem less big especially when the thing is open right
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uh the new cameras are good and bad yeah i haven't seen any sample photos yet but
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yeah when i say good and bad it's like bad because of the the bump and it's ugly and it's you know it's adds some
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issues you can't fold it flat yeah uh good in that the technology that they were using last
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year was they had the one camera on the inside you would fold it over itself and when it detected you
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turning it i guess it would make the viewfinder the side that you were using and then it would
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theoretically activate and and it would switch the screens but it never worked exactly and i was going to
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say in my experience this was one of the least often working things in my entire tech experience last year i
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want to just take a picture and this thing is really hard to take a picture with yeah it was crazy hard to take a picture with and look i i just still
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feel like a dual screened this like device is not as functional as a foldable device and i know that microsoft like remember last year when they were like
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they were beating this drum of the surface duo is not a phone it's a device but it's like you're not going to carry
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a duo and another phone that was a that was a thought i kept seeing is this was marketed or at least
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described as a companion device yeah so you have your phone but in your other pocket i guess you also have a surface
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duo that you usually use for most stuff i don't know that i'd want to carry that
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much hardware i mean i'm i'm guilty of carrying two phones all the time but this this i would want to spend that much
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money on one device yeah and have it just be my only device so the fact that like phone calls are kind of tough because it's a weird shape and the
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aspect ratio is kind of weird and i want a different shape for watching videos it's like it's it's a little bit of a compromise i
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wonder if they're people who i mean i don't know there's there's got to be groups of people who don't care that much about the outside display and
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we'll be fine with like all right productivity is my only goal with this device i'll get one yeah i don't know
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how many of those people there are it's just like i think the way i think about it is the magic and beauty of the smartphone is that every year when
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smartphones were coming out it seemed like every year it would replace another thing that we had right
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slowly the smartphone ate up all our other appliances to where we didn't have to carry a ton of stuff with us and we could just carry one thing why would you want to go the opposite
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direction and the other thing is that like it is a phone at the end of the day it is a phone it makes phone calls it has data a
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data connection yep it is just redundant i put a sim card in it yeah and the whole dual display thing versus versus
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like singular display like android has had multitasking features for years where you can like put chrome on this
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side and another app on this side like that is built into android now and i don't panos like really wanted to
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tout like oh like it's magical to like have information on one display one app open on one display and another app open
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on the other display galaxy fold you can do that with like three or four apps right i did i did feel a little bit sometimes what he was talking about
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which is like i use dual displays at my desktop yeah and totally it's fundamentally different from having an
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ultra wide just because i divide things differently i have like things up against the left bezel on the right
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monitor and the right bezel the left left monitor and like i i organize things around two displays differently
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than i do around one huge display yeah but like the software has to really facilitate that and that was a bit of a
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challenge i don't know i just i look at this device and i'm like can we save this like i want this to keep going and
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get better but the the amount of things that i would have to change in order to save it in my own view
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is so long that i don't know that it's worth going like i would want it to have an outside display i'd wanted to have
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better cameras better battery life all this makes the thing way thicker suddenly it's like this huge chunky dual
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screen thing like is it even sleek anymore right i don't know a factor that i think will trickle down into the other
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devices as well that we talked about today is that as much as microsoft makes products that
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sells them to consumers i think a primary focus for it has always been enterprise
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and in its mind it's like it doesn't really matter if these are sixteen hundred dollars fifteen hundred dollars
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because if a business buys them in bulk and gives them to their employees and they
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can do microsoft teams you know it's like and you can use excel then it like it doesn't matter how
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expensive they are and you should actually make them more expensive because you'll make more money on that and bigger businesses don't care about that because it's a tax write-off
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because they're using them as devices so it's like that's something that has always sort of like conflicted with me and all of
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microsoft's uh surface products is that it seems like they focus so much on the enterprise side they do that the consumers tend to suffer on the future end yeah i i do find myself reviewing a
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lot of things where i know it's not for me yeah and this is another one where i'm like i'm re i open the thing up and
00:26:41
it's like sign into microsoft teams here's excel here's the things like a whole bunch of things that i know work
00:26:47
decently well that i just don't use yeah i'm like alright well it's not gonna be easy to recommend this to almost any
00:26:52
regular person but does that mean it shouldn't exist i guess not it could still exist but yeah it's tough
00:27:01
it's like one the os last year on the surface duo one was just so it was the gl it was probably the glitchiest phone i've ever used in my entire life top top five for me i don't know what
00:27:14
was glitchier i gotta think about i mean of the year it was definitely tops up there the the royal flex pie was a
00:27:19
disaster but it it didn't really ever have any promise of being anything better than a disaster sure or this was
00:27:25
like a 1500 microsoft product i thought it would be better i was never trying to be anything other than it was trying to
00:27:31
be lately yeah so i yeah i agree this is it it had its problems but you know we'll see i'm going to get my hands on
00:27:36
it still i mean it's going to come out people will be able to buy it yeah it's going to exist so i will say i like as someone who wears
00:27:44
shirts with shirt pockets all the time like the dream of like keeping your phone in your shirt pocket and have it
00:27:50
be that thin and like if you've seen the movie her it's like a passports yeah in the movie her uh phones are like the duo
00:27:57
where their little their little pocket books that look like passports in a way and they have a little camera bump on
00:28:03
the on the back and you only like you open it up like a clutch when you want to use it okay and they're actually pretty cool but uh and he and the main character keeps it in his shirt
00:28:14
pocket and then he can like stream to his ai assistant with video because it's peeking out of his shirt anyway interesting it's a very it's yeah yeah great movie if you haven't seen it but we'll get our hands on the second one
00:28:26
i'm excited to play with it we'll see if they can fix the software issues yeah so
00:28:32
then we have some other things come out we had surface pro 8 and surface laptop studio those are the two other main ones
00:28:38
service pro 8 i feel like we can go through pretty briefly unless yeah crazy thoughts i mean it's the it's a 1099
00:28:44
starting it is their uh tablet with a it's this guy it's this guy yeah but it is for for our audio
00:28:51
listeners it's a it's a tablet with a kickstand with an attachable keyboard yes and it's got you know core i5 and
00:28:57
core i7 options it's got up to a terabyte of storage two usb c ports they're thunderbolt four ports now which
00:29:03
is great huge it's got a headphone jack it's got service connect fast charging uh you can spend up to 2 600 bucks on
00:29:09
this thing and that can be your machine yeah how are we feeling about this refresh yeah i mean um they made
00:29:15
the bezels on the left and right sides smaller which was huge because when the surface pro x came out which was the arm
00:29:22
the arm laptop they made they worked with qualcomm to make the sq1 i wanted to be good so i know it was
00:29:28
tough i know like windows on arm is still not good and emulation is not good and just too many companies haven't ported their apps over and battery life sucks and and for some reason that
00:29:40
that computer of course because i had the x name got like the latest and greatest hardware features so it had the
00:29:46
thinner bezels yeah they finally brought those thinner bezels to the eight which i like a lot um they're still
00:29:52
generally thick-ish bezels on the top and bottom but it doesn't really matter as much because the
00:29:59
keyboard actually like lifts up right and it covers the bottom bezel so it doesn't really hide that that's where you hide the pen and that's where you hide the pen which is cool yeah i will
00:30:10
show the camera real quick for those uh on audio only just imagine the keyboard on a laptop popping down a little bit hiding with a little bit of magnets the new surface what's it called the slim
00:30:20
pen two slim pen two yeah um now one thing that is like a little bit of a travesty is
00:30:27
they sell this computer as a tablet and i think that microsoft is a little confused um as to what it
00:30:35
wants its surfaces to be because they they lean into the fact that like it's a full windows machine it's not like an
00:30:42
ipad it's not a tablet but then they also sell it like a tablet in that they don't include the keyboard with it optional 180 accessories 280
00:30:52
280 the cheapest keyboard you can get is 180 but it doesn't include the pen oh right
00:30:59
if you want it with the pen it's 280 and then it's it's in 180 as well is very expensive right so if you just want to be able to use this as a laptop at all unless you buy your
00:31:11
own bluetooth keyboard and mouse you have to buy this which is actually ridiculous plus 30
00:31:16
and that's the interesting thing right is that like this starts at eleven hundred dollars without
00:31:22
the keyboard if you get the cheapest keyboard it's still fourteen hundred you can get a macbook air m1 for like
00:31:28
nine hundred dollars right so so your question would be like all right the buyer that's picking this over that
00:31:35
wants a couple things that this offers that that doesn't one would be windows windows two would be touch screen yeah
00:31:41
three would be the ability to disconnect the screen with the keyboard for some reason for some reason and
00:31:48
there are some reasons there's real reasons every time i do this i get it no i know yeah yeah why would you ever want to do that and then everyone who does it
00:31:54
every day is like i do this every day because here's the things that i want to do artists do actually really like these and the the kickstand
00:32:01
can go back really dang far not bad exactly so yeah [Laughter] but yeah i mean a 120 hertz display is
00:32:13
amazing thunderbolt 4 is amazing uh and that is like going to be a bigger a bigger little rant that i have still got volume buttons still got volume buttons yeah yeah so that's nice
00:32:26
and two usb-c ports so yeah it's a nice little device uh i think for most people
00:32:32
it'll be a good option it a lot of college students have surfaces yeah uh for similar reasons i think it's gonna
00:32:38
be up to the surface pro a or like a macbook m1 um either an air or a pro probably an air yeah as to what they get for college um i have many thoughts about this
00:32:49
thunderbolt thing and we can either save that for the laptop studio or we can talk about it now yeah let's go right to
00:32:56
laptop studio okay and then talk about that so the laptop studio is unknown if this at the moment if this
00:33:02
replaces the surface book or not but it's a laptop yeah and this laptop has an interesting i should have it with me but i don't it's got a hinge feature when we made a whole video about it pops the bottom half of the laptop screen off
00:33:14
yeah and can dock at 45 degrees right above the track position the surface studio right we have the desktop version which which tilted down as well now you have this ability in
00:33:27
your laptop it's also 120 hertz touch screen and it's running windows 11. it's got the whole it's got a it's an i5 or an i7
00:33:34
it's up to i think 32 gigs of ram yeah it's a 3050 ti yeah it's it's also only got two usbc ports yeah and it's a little bit pricier to get this to work
00:33:47
it starts at 15.99 without the integrated gpu 2100 with it right so okay i mean laptops are fine i like
00:33:54
laptops i really like this the other surface books of past i like the surface book three they made it all matte black
00:34:00
version so i really like the surface book three and now the four has that too but uh this hinge thing yeah
00:34:08
i i would never use that yeah just personally i would never use that microsoft has a history of making like
00:34:14
really weird wonky products just to like test the waters right and just like with the duo um they actually have a very
00:34:20
rich history of like really messing up the first generation product and then fixing it in the second okay i don't
00:34:26
think the second will be fixed because i think the use case is fundamentally flawed however
00:34:32
um you know the surface book was a really interesting idea uh if for listeners that like don't know
00:34:39
about what the surface book is really it is a tablet as well for pretty much all the surfaces are tablets except for
00:34:46
laptop yeah they're like convertible yeah and it was cool because if you got the 15-inch version especially it was
00:34:52
like one of the biggest tablets you could buy it's a 15-inch fully windows 10 like tablet and then you would dock it into this base that had a gpu in it it
00:35:03
had an extra battery in it had a really good keyboard in it so it was kind of like and then you
00:35:08
could flip it over and it was similar to the easel where you could like flip the screen around dock it and then put it
00:35:16
down and that way you could do your drafting on it yeah um this i think i'll just say i think this surface laptop studio has the form factor advantage just because obviously you can't take
00:35:27
the screen off of the keyboard anymore yeah but that means now you don't have to have the entire computer in this screen
00:35:33
which means it's much thinner it's still a little thicker than normal but it's fine and then you get the weight at the bottom and it's much better as a laptop
00:35:40
in my opinion yeah uh kind of like the surface laptops in the past really like those but
00:35:46
is it better than a normal laptop for having a hinge this is a question whenever manufacturers make two-in-ones
00:35:53
the question is always is the two-in-one better than is it is it better at either of those
00:36:00
things or is it as good at either of those things right it's always i think fundamentally going to have to be
00:36:06
slightly worse at both but which will it lean towards being good at yeah this one's better as a laptop than
00:36:13
it is as a tablet yeah you can't disconnect the keyboard so you can do this like screen flip down thing and
00:36:19
then you've got the full computer in your arm it's like honestly it's not a great tablet yeah but you can put it down and draw on it right that's cool so
00:36:26
it is a tablet in that way yeah um but yeah i i as a as a very firm believer that you do
00:36:34
have to sacrifice a little bit i find that the overall user experience maybe it doesn't matter to some people because you can only buy one device but the
00:36:41
overall user experience of having both devices is typically better but you don't want
00:36:46
to carry both yeah you don't want to carry both and the surface books were big um i've had every surface book since they released i had the one two and
00:36:52
three and i thought it was an incredibly innovative design when it first came out
00:36:58
it was really cool the hinge was amazing but they just kind of kept that design for a very long time
00:37:03
and can sit like the tablet it was so cool they had a 15 inch tablet but like you said before because the entire
00:37:09
computer had to be in like most of the computer except for the gpu and the extra battery had to be in the screen
00:37:16
itself it was so heavy yeah that like the use cases you would use a tablet for of like watching a movie in bed your
00:37:22
armors would get tired immediately like it was like drop it on your face yeah yeah it wasn't a great situation um
00:37:29
this one's really interesting and i think i'm wondering how many people will use the easel mode
00:37:35
and how often they'll use it all the marketing was around gaming yeah so controller
00:37:41
tilted screen which i mean you could do that without tilting it exactly and it's a very microsoft thing to be like oh
00:37:47
yeah gaming means xbox controller right which is like whatever but i was kind of
00:37:53
hoping that if microsoft finally made a surface book that was not completely self-contained in the screen itself and had a base and it had wires attaching itself that they would be able to make it like
00:38:05
very high powered and i still think that microsoft could really benefit by making an xbox gaming laptop
00:38:12
or like something of that nature like a razer competitor type thing yes because no but there is no razer competitor in
00:38:19
terms of like build quality now they obviously have like a lot of issues their batteries swell and all these
00:38:24
problems but like the materials they use the thinness there there isn't a comp there isn't competition right now really yeah it's been a couple years since i've legitimately felt like i could compare
00:38:36
any other laptop to a razer blade yeah just because they've been nailing that for so many years like there's way faster laptops that are about as thin
00:38:43
but the build quality is not the same right um so i feel like and like microsoft really has the xbox brand and
00:38:50
xboxes are becoming more of pcs now so it's like you should really lean into that sure um but either way i mean if
00:38:57
you have now that you have thunderbolt at least it gives you the option to use a egpu yeah which is a big deal before
00:39:04
we get into the thunderbolt yes my favorite thing about the surface studio laptop service laptop studio what is it
00:39:10
called again laptop service laptop studio yeah is the double decker design i saw it at first
00:39:16
and i thought it was like oh this is kind of weird why is it double decker no it's nice right so all of the bottom
00:39:22
the top half looks like a thin macbook pro essentially yeah yeah uh and then underneath it there's like a platform where you get like another quarter inch of laptop yeah that's where all the
00:39:32
ventilation is so it's like blowing air out the sides which is like a little different than usual it's like blowing on your hands whatever but then
00:39:40
when you look at it from the top it still looks like a thin laptop because you don't see the bottom part yeah so
00:39:46
you only see like a thin laptop like kind of with the shadow underneath yeah it's like it's floating it looks like a
00:39:52
thin laptop covering like that trick that we all used to do when we did smartphone reviews of like putting the
00:39:57
phone on top of something to give it kind of that like 3d depth look yeah like for a laptop i i was super into
00:40:03
that i saw it at first in like the renders and the videos i was like that's an odd version of a laptop yeah
00:40:09
architecture and yeah i got in person i was like oh yeah great yeah it is also a smart way to like
00:40:15
only get rid of a little bit of internal component space while still making it look thinner yeah because if they had
00:40:22
like rounded that out for the whole base it would be a chunky boy yup chunky boy facts so we got two ports on the side both of them are usb type-c thunderbolt 4.
00:40:33
i was hoping for more ports maybe some people were hoping a laptop like this would have usb-a even but i'm just kind
00:40:40
of bummed that there's only two ports and there's no sd card yeah every laptop marketing themselves to create a
00:40:46
professional should have an sd card so yeah just saying there's so few it's like even even razer you have to get the
00:40:53
creator one which has like which has like a um some crazy gpu that is used for only
00:40:59
like 3d modeling yeah like the studio edition or whatever give me that card slot i know so would you go egpu with
00:41:06
this or no uh yeah so like the 3050 ti is fine um i think it could run a lot of modern games at 1080p uh but the surface laptop studio is like a 3k display like
00:41:19
they've had this really amazing 3k display that they've used actually since the surface book one and it's a great display so they don't really need to
00:41:25
change it and now it's 100 but now it's 120 hertz right and if you want to run games at 120
00:41:31
hertz i don't even know if you you could probably could not run most modern titles at 1080 120 right
00:41:37
and so egpu is a great option um and for those that don't know there's thunderbolt 4 and there's usb4 and they're a little bit different uh usb4 is much more similar to thunderbolt
00:41:51
3. intel owns thunderbolt yep and because of that normally you'd have to pay a licensing
00:41:59
fee to intel to be able to use this laptops before the only the reason you only saw high-end laptops having thunderbolt 3 was because it required a separate
00:42:10
module that you'd have to put in the computer but now they built that into tiger lake so the intel processors now
00:42:18
have done they basically just have thunderbolt 3 built in and surfaces have never had thunderbolt and it's always
00:42:23
been incredibly frustrating for me uh because every year when i would upgrade from the surface book one to the
00:42:29
two to three i would be hoping like oh my gosh i think that was my only complaint about the surface laptop too
00:42:34
yeah and when i saw leaks they were adding usb-c a usb-c port i was like that's gonna be a thunderbolt port and it wasn't and there were these
00:42:40
conspiracies that the surface book two didn't add it because there were not enough pcie lanes because the surface
00:42:46
connect port like requires two pcie lanes and the cpu only has 12 and so all this stuff um and they just never added it and then there was a leaked
00:42:57
like internal like memo about why they didn't add it to the three uh they got confirmed and they said the reasoning was that it was a direct connection to the memory because you can
00:43:09
put 40 gigabits per second through through there straight to the memory and they were like i this is another example
00:43:16
of microsoft just like thinking about the business use cases of things much more than they think about
00:43:22
like the consumer use case yeah and they were like it's gonna be easier to hack into something that has that much data throughput through a single port wow which is like sure um
00:43:34
i think it's because they wanted to sell more surface connect docks which are these like really expensive
00:43:40
docks that connect to the surface connect port they add a bunch of ports you get extra ports
00:43:46
still no card slots yeah and when i when i was at intel i remember they only issued us these lenovo laptops that did the same thing that had these giant like port things
00:43:59
that would connect into the side of the computer for some reason this is a very enterprise thing i think the idea is
00:44:05
because when you have people in cubicles they have uh they have multiple monitors and to
00:44:11
connect to multiple monitors easily with a laptop the easiest way to do that is with a dock of some kind right so they
00:44:17
would issue us a dock they would just the laptop and like two 4k displays um but now but now microsoft can't really
00:44:24
say no because it's built into tiger lake right yeah so they would have to like turn it off and i think they'd get
00:44:31
a lot more backlash for that just just just roll it now okay but it's fantastic because like egpus like my friend one of
00:44:38
my friends has always loved surface pro devices and every couple years he buys the new one
00:44:45
and he can sort of play his games on them okay and then as games get harder to play he can't anymore but he can't
00:44:51
just get a new gpu so that has always sucked i love this um so that's great all right that's a
00:44:57
perfect segue though because we got to talk about intel yes we got to talk about intel because intel
00:45:02
intel um intel put out uh an advertisement it's on their youtube channel [Music] have you ever seen those uh those like social experiment videos like
00:45:15
you've seen the febreze commercials where they'll be like they'll blindfold somebody and bring them in a room and be like where do you think you are right
00:45:21
now and they'll be like i am in a i'm in a clean room and then they take the blindfold off and they're in a dumpster
00:45:27
it's like that's what intel tried they just keep doing this and they've had a long history of really cringy
00:45:35
insecure ads yeah especially targeting apple with i mean they're they're getting attacked from every direction but for some reason they just keep going at apple yeah and they put out their latest one this week i feel like we'll
00:45:47
just cut to maybe a brief audio clip of it so you can get a sense of the cringe uh it's pretty bad
00:45:53
[Music] the music starting off is already just corporate credit you know it's coming
00:46:00
you know it's corporate cringy so they're setting the scene going right for april
00:46:05
right for apple right ravel [Music] oh gosh who's who just sits like that in a room just being like i don't know hi there how are you good you i'm great
00:46:19
thank you i'm kevin i'm going to be your mom okay pause so so they're setting the scene already
00:46:25
with like this cannot go well from here on out they're setting the stage with we're going to tell these people about
00:46:32
products that are presumably apple products yeah but they're going to be surprised when we tell them they're not
00:46:38
out products this cannot go well this cannot be enjoyable for anyone to watch this
00:46:44
cannot be a good commercial you've already lost but go ahead and tell let's let's play it yeah are you a big apple
00:46:49
fan i am yeah yeah all apple apple apple i'm an apple girl in the apple world i am 100 percent loyal to apple this is
00:46:57
all about getting your opinions uh that didn't sound like manufactured whatsoever i love that they always have to say these aren't actors i don't think i saw that in the in the
00:47:08
fine print for this one but who talks like it yeah i am 100 loyal to apple never heard anyone say
00:47:14
that in real life i'm sure someone would say it sarcastically oh my goodness but um yeah okay yeah yeah let's go ready to
00:47:22
get started [Music] i'd love to have the freedom to customize that'd be amazing if you could
00:47:28
i hate that you can't add more ram after you make the wrong decision and get the computer once you're committed to that
00:47:33
thing there's no easy way in to change that out well i want to show you something regarding
00:47:38
customization then pause this has come up before because they've done other ads against apple in the past
00:47:46
yeah but there's still several laptops powered by intel that apple makes oh yeah where you are locked into the
00:47:52
amount of ram you have it's a perfectly legitimate complaint like oh you can't change your ram but also you can't change your ram in
00:47:58
every windows laptop either actually it's also very true that you can change your ram it's very it is like a feature
00:48:05
so the fact that they're so specifically calling out this really narrow complaint is kind of odd
00:48:14
it's not like that's an intel thing where now that you've got an intel laptop you can change your ram it's like that's not really true i think the
00:48:20
reason is because it always used to be the apple like i'm a pc i'm a mac commercials because it's apple versus
00:48:27
microsoft that's what they're angling but now that apple is the one that's like apple
00:48:33
didn't want to yell it into intel didn't want to yell at apple and like make fun of apple because they had a partnership where
00:48:40
they made the chips in their laptops but now that there's this two-year transition to m1 everything yeah we must
00:48:47
go at apple and all of their laptops they get too much good press and now they're like okay but please still buy
00:48:53
our stuff like it's just such a desperate move okay let's continue well i want to show you something
00:48:58
regarding customization then more corbett core laptops [Music] i can't pause right there okay so that frame was just a bunch of black boxes sliding into place
00:49:19
everyone in the commercial was like everyone went yeah i want that in my laptop that didn't
00:49:24
show anything anything that i that's all i had said oh my goodness okay all right
00:49:31
yes please as to being able to get back to doing those things myself that's very exciting
00:49:37
to me what is why did you just show oh numbers oh hey that's a big number that's probably how i'd rather you play all of these games effortlessly on one device that would be amazing oh i'd be
00:49:58
stoked my kids would be ecstatic well i recognize a bunch of those games that definitely can't be
00:50:04
played on my computer so pause okay all right all right so common trope max can game sure um that is not because of the chip that is because of the software yeah and
00:50:17
there's another thing where we talk about like the reason people buy a laptop is not because it
00:50:22
has intel inside as much as people who work for intel would like to think nice somebody buying an intel laptop they
00:50:28
must like intel it's not because of the internet it's because of intel yes there are
00:50:33
other things like the windows 11 that might be running on it or maybe some other hardware features it's got a nice
00:50:38
keyboard and a screen and a battery and a build quality like fact most people now buy amd laptops because it's amd exactly
00:50:46
right if you want to bring up a gaming point i'm sure amd would have a lot to say about which that was the last point i wanted to make about this stuff was
00:50:52
about the microsoft stuff is like i wish they went with amd but intel has very weird tight relationships yeah yeah
00:50:59
but they could put usb 4 in it it wouldn't be 40 it wouldn't be 32 gigabytes but anyway it would be a
00:51:04
minimum of 10 gigabits per second instead of a minimum of 32 gigabits per second but yeah i digress
00:51:10
let's continue with oh one other thing that guy he was like he was like you can play all of these
00:51:15
games seamlessly it's like they can run yeah but if you have like a three hundred dollar like yeah on some of our chips also also it's gp that's mostly g for
00:51:27
you bound anyway that's the video this is not the intel chip running the game yeah okay like a little bit sure okay let's
00:51:34
go a touchscreen touchscreen touch screen will be agreed with that pause i like that is that a real thing prop i wonder i don't know
00:51:45
most mac users who i talk to are like i don't really care i love touchscreens and i use them for photoshop i like i
00:51:52
feel like that's a legit that's thing it's a legit thing but i also wonder like you started out the top people going
00:51:58
like i love apple apple is my i'm a sheep i only want apple stuff i am an apple sheep none of these people would ever think about a touchscreen mac os
00:52:11
experience would they they have an ipad right i mean i would okay look i i came from a
00:52:17
windows background i use windows and and mac now i do wish like everyone always says like i wish
00:52:24
that the ipad could be a com more of a laptop and everyone says i wish that my laptop could be more of an
00:52:30
ipad so ultimately i think just having the option of a touch screen is a good thing
00:52:35
yeah i'm just imagining like if i asked a mac person what is their laptop missing i i would have a hard time
00:52:40
saying they would go straight yeah especially if they don't really know the benefits of it because they haven't used it before yeah they would go i want ipad
00:52:46
on on it i don't know just we'll see anyway okay continue what about two oh here we go i have a i have
00:52:52
a touch bar on my laptop okay as we go into this next point go ahead yeah okay 4k touch screen displays you like that idea uh yeah i like that idea because i
00:53:15
know that i would end up loving it that doesn't make any sense that's interesting
00:53:20
if there is something to travel with everything altogether yeah that'd be amazing i would like to have my ipad and
00:53:25
my laptop combined that's really okay yeah that's real uh they showed the asus zenbook pro duo i love that laptop yeah the uh it's a
00:53:35
risk for most people to take because it's expensive as heck very expensive it does have that 4k matte angled second
00:53:43
touch screen which is it's like a mech it's like a touch bar on steroids yeah it's a lot yeah um you have to use a
00:53:49
separate wrist rest with it yeah because otherwise you're touching the trackpad it's just weird it has a great keyboard
00:53:55
it's it's a weird device that i think very few people will buy but once they do buy it they actually end up loving it is that possible is
00:54:02
that possible okay all right go for it i'm gonna show you something if that's okay okay we're right back this is a two and one that's great laptop that's
00:54:13
awesome but it's 2009. that kind of eliminates the need of an ipad it actually folds all the way back i don't fold it all the way back go
00:54:23
forward my computer will probably snap if i try that if i had this option i don't know if i could put it down yeah i
00:54:29
love this yeah okay welcome to 2007. so yeah don't try that on your macbook but i um again i'm picturing the apple guy walks into best buy yeah he walks right
00:54:40
past all those tuna ones every time yeah they've been there for years for years it's not like you've never seen this is
00:54:45
this possible yes it's been okay okay so they've been out there yeah does does the apple person like
00:54:53
wonder because they're thinking these are apple products are they going oh apple's finally done it yeah or are they
00:54:58
thinking like oh another pc that i don't i can't imagine that these people legit
00:55:05
think that these are real apple products that are coming out who know maybe they do that the funny thing is like when
00:55:10
they show the like they showed like the tent mode and i remember when the the first lenovo yoga books came out that
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did that and it's just it's kind of just like the surface uh laptop studio where
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they have to come up with as many modes as possible just to make it seem like you have all these options yeah and the
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tent mode was like i could watch a video but it's closer to the ground now instead of like having a keyboard i don't have a keyboard you could also watch a video with your
00:55:41
laptop in laptop mode yeah i don't know yeah it's an odd it's a thing okay let's
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go what if i told you that everything we've been talking about today is available
00:55:52
now where do i sign up but this was not that's great that is a pc powered by intel
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yeah really like oh i don't actually want it now whoa is this real life right now what wow that is the device that they were just
00:56:15
holding wow i think these guys are more interested in the rgb really than they are in the laptops that's beautiful it
00:56:21
looks like a piece of artwork oh you guys have to sign me up if i said all the right things he did i would say
00:56:27
there's a lot more options than with mac i am surprised yeah everything i know i'm gonna have to upgrade what i know in my mind okay
00:56:38
so that last section like reminds me of like when i when i shot retrotech we do a lot of interviews with people and we had a story that we wanted to tell
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because we'd done our research and we knew how the story went and so we wanted to get people to say
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certain things but we didn't want to tell them to say the thing so we'd prompt them in different ways
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around that thing to get them to fill in the blanks for us okay and i i can already tell that when they
00:57:09
went in that room there was a producer like so how does this compare to max oh so what is what would this make you
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say about comparing it directly to apple like they definitely prompted them over and over and over again to get some of
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those lines out of those people yeah pretty cringe if you ask me um but that's the commercial that's
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that's what they uploaded today and thought yeah we've done it yeah we've really done it this time it just feels like a desperation move
00:57:35
like the thing i know they've been doing this for years and like multiple companies i've been doing this for years it's true but it's
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a common style it's such a it's such a desperation i mean it's to be fair like intel's getting hit from all sides right
00:57:47
now that's the thing yeah like you're okay you're firing at apple with this ad yeah which is like they're eating some
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of your lunch but also like what about amd over here i haven't seen any amd targeted ads yet i don't know if they're
00:57:59
working on anything yeah yeah that's another angle they're getting attacked from i don't understand how they do they
00:58:04
you're saying desperation mode but it's like do they think these ads are the answer to changing public opinion about
00:58:11
intel again i don't think most people are buying their laptop because it's intel powered yeah i think there are a long list of things before that that are the reason they're getting
00:58:23
this laptop i think that intel likes to ride on the innovation of their like actual laptop manufacturers like all of the features the
00:58:34
upgradability the yeah the swiveling all the hardware oems come up with all this cool stuff yeah that's all asus and acer
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and so if you can fire at apple maybe you you you plant this seed in people's heads of like apple doesn't have all these options right look at all these intel powered options right but it's not
00:58:51
until that's doing that innovation i know so yeah that's a little bit awkward just say like we have so much more
00:58:57
choice on the pc side we power all of this power all this crazy choice which is like congrats yeah well done keep getting better at that yeah but yeah i mean i
00:59:09
yeah like it's great it's great that in the laptop space you do have a crazy amount of choice for your use case um
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the choice also includes the choice to not use intel and use amd tax and i get why they're
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freaking out like amd's gaining a lot more market share their latest chips are insane um
00:59:28
they're they're now trying to make gpus because they're trying to get in the gpu game because they're a little bit afraid that
00:59:34
like they're not innovating as fast as everybody else in the in the cpu space yeah and honestly everyone who has been
00:59:40
the traditional cpu manufacturer should be a little worried right now qualcomm should be worried because google's making their
00:59:46
own ship samsung makes their own chips apple makes their own chips there's rumors that oppo group is going to start
00:59:51
making their own ships even in the mobile space and and i think intel's feeling the heat
00:59:56
too but this stuff is like a cycle like sometimes amd stuff is really great and then they are really bad and then
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they're really great and really bad yeah and you got to have respect for the engineering that goes into all this competition yeah i just think the ads
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are so yeah so easy to make fun of and so cringy at the same time i here's my question yeah let's bet let's let's place a bet from today's date okay
01:00:20
how long do you think they'll keep doing this style of apple targeted ads will they do another one a year from now probably probably two years from now will they do another one
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maybe maybe when m1x comes out they might do another one i think they're going to keep doing yeah at least yeah
01:00:39
the m1x macbook pros are around the corner i think they do this at least a year from now i think in october 2022 yeah there's another yeah
01:00:49
intel ad and it's like i don't want that i don't know why they think this is the answer how do these keep getting
01:00:55
approved how does this cringy idea keep happening with all these different companies the chevy ads the febreze ads yeah i don't know but you know what it's
01:01:02
content yeah we're talking about it did they win a little bit because we're talking about it no no
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no i don't know this is the thing right like is is this ad supposed to like remind people that
01:01:12
intel exists cause like do people not know that intel exists like that's the thing like it that's why it feels
01:01:18
desperate because i feel like everyone already knows that intel exists because they did an incredible marketing
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campaign in the 80s where they would sell you their chips for cheaper in bulk if you put the intel inside sticker on
01:01:30
your laptop and it was one of the best guerrilla marketing campaigns that has ever existed a lot of people don't know
01:01:35
that yeah but yeah that for those who don't know yeah the sticker on the laptop that
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like would say intel inside that you'd be like who cares intel's inside great but that's it was a reason why they put
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it there yeah it's a great tactic yeah so yeah i don't know i we'll keep seeing them i think they're gonna keep making these commercials i don't know if they're gonna stop but i think that they get through so many corporate like layers that they're just
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going oh yeah let's make an ad just to convince people we're better i don't know yeah they're gonna keep you in it yeah i think that's that's
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probably where we're ending i appreciate the light-hearted note that we can end this on because there's a there's a lot
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happening this week and we'll we'll definitely we'll get our hands on surface duo too yep we've already
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already done a video on the surface laptop studio which was a fun one this is not
01:02:20
it i'm just holding my laptop here in the studio yes and we have the surface pro 8 as well but much more to
01:02:27
come it's tech tober there's always stuff happening so stay tuned for that as well yeah but that's been it all
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