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foreign [Music] welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts I'm Marquez I'm Andrew and I'm David and uh this week we've got a mysterious product
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that we want to talk about it's sort of a weird one but it exists in real life I think you've already seen it if you're watching this podcast trust me uh We've
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also got a Google pixel leaks surprise surprise I know that doesn't happen very much and uh also we'll wrap it up with
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Google finally announcing some of its plans to challenge Microsoft and chatgpt but first of all can we talk about the
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moon for a second and how the moon landing was fake do you still believe in the moon oh I'm just kidding now I think
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I'm gonna get out of here the whole the whole internet collectively had like a wave of
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um this Samsung Moon Photo Story it kind of just washed over the Internet for like a week I made a video sort of
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breaking it down explaining what's happening uh to rewind a little bit uh Galaxy s23 Ultra has a 100x space
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zoom and it's not the first one I think the S21 Ultra was the first one to have or s20 Ultra s20 Ultra yeah it was the
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first one called space Zoom yeah space zoom and so space Zoom you know interesting name but the idea is you can
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zoom in 100x to things really really far away and what's further away than space I want to take pictures of things in
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space um and in some of their earliest and most interesting advertising zoom in on the moon take a picture of the Moon cool
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um so that's what people have been doing uh for years and I think in the past we realized that Huawei they were accused
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of faking their moon photos which they you know people would zoom in really far on the moon on some Huawei phones and
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they'd take a photo of a blurry Moon and then somehow their photo would be really detailed and be like what's going on here and that had that had its old wave
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that already washed over the Internet yeah that was the P30 series which was like the first phone with that Periscope
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camera and so that they made a huge deal that you could actually get that close to the Moon yeah and there was a huge
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controversy over whether that they were faking it or not and there's this whole section of Internet that's like look at how bad the iPhone's camera is it's just
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a blob on the iPhone yeah and then so that comparison always happens so now Samsung has this thing happen where I
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think maybe a month ago I made a short uh zooming in we had a full moon I zoomed all the way in I just posted the
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clip because it was impressive on Twitter and it had like 20 million views the next day like it kind of blew up
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um and I sort of said well at least they're not doing the thing that Huawei got accused
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of doing of like overlaying the Moon uh but now they are getting accused of that exact thing so what's interesting is we had a Reddit user uh do an experiment because he was sort of uh
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thinking that maybe Samsung was enhancing their moon photos a little bit so he took a print out of a photo of the
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Moon and uh actually know how to print out I think it's just Anonymous automated in Photoshop yeah you know put
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it across the room Zoom all the way in to 50x 100x and take a picture of the image of the moon on a screen and
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it works it looks like the moon then he takes a blurry image of the Moon takes a
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picture of that and the end result is like dramatically sharpened much more detail than the original image could
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ever have which leads us to all believe whatever's going on here it's fake detail Samsung is doing something turns
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out they've been doing this for Generations since they're like S10 or something like that there's a whole page
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of documentation on Samsung's site that talks about this um but I always thought it was funny
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because we always talk about like computational photography and I did the video on the iPhone's camera and I did
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another video called smartphone cameras versus reality and smartphone cameras they just edit reality they just edit
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all the time and this one particular thing people really seem to get attached to which is moon photos which is as far
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as I can tell not a very common picture to take but it's such an obvious use case where people can notice that it's
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quote faking the image of the moon it's with AI Etc it's an interesting story I just felt like that was a fun wave of internet I think it's like not common in the sense that we don't see everyone taking it but it still winds up being if
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you think about all the pictures taken of a singular thing in the entire world it might be the most common because if
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you're thinking of people yourself to think of them as individual people so it does have this opportunity to be the one
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thing that everyone in the world can see and take a picture of is the moon and therefore the most photographed thing of
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all time singular thing I don't know I mean it's funny because it's tidally locked right so it's gonna look the
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exact same from all angles of the Earth on every single night prove it I good if you want me to
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um and so everyone's images are going to look vaguely the same it's like it's like those uh things happen on Instagram sometimes where people take almost the
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exact same photo and then they accuse each other of like stealing each other's images and they're slightly different but they're almost exactly the same like
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the Moon is the one thing that's gonna look the same to everyone so if you were going to run a quote-unquote scene
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Optimizer on the moon it would be the easiest thing to do it on yeah and Samsung actually ended up releasing a
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statement this morning after we put our video out yesterday or two days ago or whenever we put that out yeah after
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multi-frame processing has taken place Galaxy camera further harnesses scene optimizers deep learning based AI detail
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enhancement it's a lot of words engine to effectively eliminate remaining noise and enhance the image details even further which is a lot of words that mean very little yeah engine engine
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they have this diagram of like the pipeline of how it apparently works and it just shows like learning data low
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resolution Moon photo and then it's just like blackbox and it's like they never I don't know they sometimes deny things but they sort
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of use big words to say very little I think the only the only thing that I can definitely tell which is somewhat
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interesting is I think most people uh functionally understand it as going camera sees Moon camera recognizes Moon
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camera takes picture of Moon puts it on top of my picture like just an overlay yeah and that's not actually what's
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happening that would be uh I want to say morphic that would just be like more Brute Force there was an old I think I saw like a Vivo phone that wasn't zooming in on the moon but if it was a
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picture in the dark sky and there was the Moon it was like straight up putting a fake oh my God in there and like way
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closer I'll try and find that photo and again but it wasn't like the zoom into the moon just randomly would enhance it
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so this one's a little more interesting we kind of talked about dolly when it came out how you know generative AI can
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create a photo from static and find Details in however much you wanted to find Details this one is like if I take
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a picture of the Moon and it's like kind of red tonight it will still enhance it and find all
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the details of what it knows the moon should look like because scene Optimizer is on but it also will still be kind of
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red because it is still using my source image and running it through the AI oh that's they thought they could get away with that they called it super moon mode so I think you were kind of expecting it
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to be oh it's not that fake yeah yeah I guess this one's buried oh my God so for the for the audio listeners basically
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the image on the left which doesn't have the optimizer on or whatever is just like kind of like a glowing white like a
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small small glowing light Dot and then the resulting image after the photo was taken is a giant Moon yeah yeah it's
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also a one times photo down like an Alleyway so you're seeing building and then in the sky it's a small portion of
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it but it's still like quadrupling the size of the Moon yeah that one's a little more handling that's yeah it's
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not doing that yeah but I guess the point is um there there are tests where like you can you can put a bunch of like
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pixels or let's say an airplane flies in front of the moon or a satellite or something happens where you're Moon actually happens to look a little bit
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different your photo through AI will still have that distinguishing detail so it's not just an overlay it is actually running it through this engine in this
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black box of AI whatever Samsung is doing um and so that's what's happening I just think it's funny that we we talk about
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this so much but there there's no articles about how like I don't know you take of your face yeah the Moon is let's say
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it's one of the most commonly photographed items take another thing like Stonehenge like a commonly
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photographed item everyone who takes a photo of it with Samsung's scene Optimizer turned on all of their graphs
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will be greener in all of their pictures all of their skies are really Bluer and that's not a particularly surprising
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fact that's just like the way these phones and their AI process images they're editing these things all the
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time we're just a little more reactive when it's the moon for some reason well it's a particular object
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versus like a general kind of grass and like scene Optimizer versus object Optimizer is like a little bit different I guess but what happens when like take somewhere like New York
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City right where we're now we now have like six Decades of pretty constant Photography in a pretty limited area like at what point can these like a
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company like Apple or Google that has access to these giant amounts of photo sets with location data just start to
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know what everything looks Oh Yeah from every angle um and then that doesn't that sort of blur the line between scene Optimizer
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and object Optimizer like if it it was like oh I've seen like 10 000 pictures from this exact intersection I know that
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at 2 pm the light hits this building and makes it look crazy so I'm just gonna like do do that yeah yeah yeah I think
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um when I think about that it's it's the what is a photo question there's uh photos of objects and photos of like
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people and scenes yeah and I think if like you have a billion images of say the Empire State Building from 42nd street and someone takes a photo from that spot just like everybody else did
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your phone recognizes it and sharpens up the windows and does the thing that it knows it's supposed to look like I
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wouldn't be mad because that's actually reality is what you're getting closer to
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but where I would get kind of weirded out is if it's like a group of my friends around the campfire and then the
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phone's like oh I know what your phone's face around the campfire is supposed to look like and changes it yeah like I want to remember the moment not the
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object does that make sense I was gonna say like at one at one point your phone basically becomes a search engine like
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that that uh example with 42nd Street yeah if you took a photo of 42nd Street but it's like oh it's a cloudy day but this actually looks the best when the sun is hitting it because it's 7 p.m and
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so we're just gonna overlay what it looked like at 7 pm in someone else's photo oh your phone becomes a search
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engine at that point it's searching Google images and then just basically just kind of overlaying luminar AI like
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yeah giving you a skyro place yeah like when you take a photo it's less about taking the photo and it's more about
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searching a database and showing people that you are at this location that exists I think it should always aim to
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improve the photo towards reality not towards like better looking if that makes like if I take a photo and it's cloudy I don't want it to add golden hour like I want it to be more accurate
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because it knows what cloudy is supposed to look like and I'm actually in a cloudy scene so I don't want to enhance
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it and make it look better or different because we talked about this with the iPhone thing where it's like it lights your face yeah evenly even though
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there's no light on your face remember how terrible that picture of me was yeah at night and we're like that's that doesn't look right because that's not
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what real life looks like I would always want it to enhance towards natural towards reality and I think it gets kind
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of weird like the moon one is technically technically enhancing it to be more accurate right I guess it's like it's making your photo better everyone's photo of the
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Moon more or less should look the same because we all see the same Moon I just don't want them to get to like enhancing it and making them look different yeah
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Counterpoint the majority of people buying these phones do want that I was just gonna say from a marketing
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perspective they absolutely want your photo to like better I want my face to look better in photos if it's a cloudy
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day and it could be golden hour in front of the Empire State Building they're gonna make a golden hour in front of the Empire this is this is really
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interesting you've seen this Tick Tock face filter thing that's going around have you guys seen this I don't have Snapchat oh wait wait okay so there's a
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new face there's a new glamor filter in Tick Tock that is actually use it's not an overlay anymore it's it's a little
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different it's actually generative AI oh no and so it looks at your face and so you know how on Snapchat if you like cover half your face it like glitches
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out and disappears on this one you can obscure parts of your face and it still perfectly applies the rest of the filter
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it's called the glamor filter and people are universally weirded out by this like everyone's using it and
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trying it and getting weirded out and that's the theme is because it looks like a super enhanced version of you
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so I don't I don't think people actually want things to look like super enhanced it's a little weird they just want it to
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look accurate in one month no one will be weirded out and I was gonna say what we'll be using I think people do want to
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like super enhanced in two months everyone will just be wearing AR glasses and we'll just see it applied to
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everyone which like in the makeup industry will collapse and it'll just be AI filter yeah air music right now the
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glamor filter I'm pretty hot I mean we already knew that do I have the glamor filter on Maya wait I want to screen
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record this tiny so it really does like it makes my eyebrows look super clean and like I
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just like cover one of your eyes with your hand and it just goes Alice looks like a model that's so
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interesting very weird get ready for our Mental Health crisis to get even worse it's like of course it's Tick-Tock that
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pulls this off it's tick tock Snapchat does it Snapchat says the overlay stuff and they'll probably start doing a generative filters too do people want that I don't know yes they do I feel
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like yes they do and then it will be horrible for society in about a year do they want to subtly enhanced version or
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do they just want the golden hour the crazy 110 yeah really yeah that's not the reaction online dating is gonna suck soon I think the reason it's getting that reaction is because people
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are like being re like people will be reactive about this kind of Technology but at the end of the day people are going to use
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it every single day even if you just take one step back like to the photos we're taking though like every single
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photo we take of our face is getting like the remember the pixel 6 how over sharpened it was like that's not much
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different than this moonshot like yeah Clarity 100 just like that's what the moonshot really feels like it's doing and that's what it's doing to our faces or it's smoothing it so then all of the
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wrinkles are going away like I prefer very similar yeah I guess those are in opposite directions though the
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sharpening is is theoretically more real more realistic and the smoothing is less realistic smooth smoothing smooth moving
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yeah smoothie the Smoothie is less realistic I mean sharpening is not necessarily more realistic and get to the point it just depends on like what level of sharpness and contrast our eyes
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see right it's all based on like I think our eyes see much more than a camera typically sees so whenever you can
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enhance what a camera sees to get more of the detail that your eyes see like when you look up at the moon in real
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life you you see the craters and you see the moon so when you point the camera at the Moon because you want to capture the
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moon you wish it wasn't a blob you wish you were getting what your eyes were seeing yeah so I think I like I I
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personally want to get more of what my eyes are seeing for sure ideally yeah as a tool I think it's kind of cool because
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zoom in General on phones is pretty terrible so like these super zoom into the Moon doing that is cool I hope it
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can get to the point where if I'm actually zooming in and trying to be like I saw a grizzly bear at this park
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and like yeah I don't want to get anywhere close to it but it now it's just this like brown blur on my phone like yeah they can enhance that it'll be
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pretty cool don't overlay a bear on it it's gonna overlay eating salmon because that's okay in the middle of the woods
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with no water nearby yeah yeah so now we're just making generative art instead of taking pictures it's just Dolly sick
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yeah soon we'll just get the dolly phone the open AI phone yeah where it texts all your friends for you because it
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knows what you would text like it takes pictures for you because it knows what your pictures would look I have a lot to say about that later in the episode so
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stay tuned you guys might have been wondering earlier when I talked about this crazy wacky product that you've
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already seen if you're watching the podcast I forgot that we brought that up yeah uh is this it's right here it's on
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my wrist um this if you're an audio listener would be a pretty good time to switch to the video because this is going to be
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hard to explain or demonstrate sorry Derek I don't know thanks Derek who's Derek who's Derek my bad Derek he's my favorite he is someone he's a friend of mine who admitted that he only
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listens to the audio version of the podcast Derek Derek I mean a lot of people do that no yeah they do I see you
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guys you're fun it's a podcast it's I I get it have you explained what it is Eric no but okay I want to okay I'll try
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it for audio people I'll try I'm wearing a Huawei watch smart watch and it looks like a pretty normal watch it's it's a
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it's a thicker one and if you're wearing it like me you'd feel it's a little heavier than normal uh but it's a smart watch it's got a nice big circular
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display it's got metal all the way around it's got one button on the side and it's got a metal watch strap and oh
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my God it opens up you already forgot how to open and and if you can see that there's there's gonna be a dope Tech video probably soon by the time this goes up that also shows these
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um we open it up and there's earbuds there's earbuds inside and you just pop them out I was gonna put in my ear as if
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I could be your headphones but these little tiny bullet capsule there's like a size it's
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the size of an actual pill like Max Mac is underneath this right now he could classic well he would think that's food
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he would think that's food so these sort of magnetize into the top and they snap back down into the watch
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I had very low expectations for this and it's because my theory about two-in-one
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devices and I'm sure many people have experienced this is when you try to combine two different categories of
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products into one product something's got to be worse usually both yeah like when you get a two-in-one laptop and
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it's trying to be a tablet and a laptop it's usually not a great tablet or a great laptop just being honest but it's
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two in one so that's cool this is kind of along the same lines uh the Smartwatch loses some battery it still
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gets like pretty good battery life what is pretty good what have you seen so Huawei watch GT claims like 10 to 14
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days of battery I don't believe that at all maybe we don't believe it but this claims three days of battery life Wow so
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it's worse than the normal but it's usable and I'm on day two right now I haven't done a whole lot on it so I'm at
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82 because it's not connected to the phone but it's tracking my heart rate tracking my calories tracking my miles all that stuff it's just acting like a
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normal watch fine um the earbuds they suffer yes because they have to draw battery and charge from the uh the smart watch so that's going to take battery from the smart watch but they're
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also tiny um really bad they sound not great they have active noise cancellation you can't
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really tell it's not that good um and then the the controls you kind of have to tap this very tiny area and it's supposed to also be able to respond to like you tapping your temple or the side of your head very Hit or Miss three hour
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battery life before you have to recharge it that's so to me it's like it's fine it's like the
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convenience factor of you being in the airport and you get a phone call and you just want to grab it real quick you just
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pop an earbud out put one of them in your ear and you're on the phone just like that that's awesome you're never
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going to lose your earbud case because guess what you're wearing it that's cool but I'm not about to sit down and like
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listen and watch a movie on these earbuds this is not like for the for the long term high quality listening
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experience this is just like a convenience play right and so for that it was better than I expected but I
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would still never get them can we also they have to be used on Huawei phones this particular one yeah it's a Huawei
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product that pairs with a Huawei phone yeah can we compare thickness here we've got three pretty this is weird regular
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watch so that's sorry audio listen we'll say it out loud we have a Apple watch Ultra a Garmin epics Gen 2 and then what
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is it Huawei Huawei watch buds watch buds so it's funny because the watch is called watch buds yeah yeah it's the
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watch bus yeah it's it's about the same thing thickness as your Garmin it's actually a little bit I would say
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chunkier bottom of it no it's it's thicker it's thicker it's thicker yeah but it's got the shape of a normal
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Huawei smartwatch it's it doesn't look crazy on my wrist it looks like a normal it looks big it
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looks like a big premium smart watch on my wrist it's not it doesn't look out of place I'm actually kind of impressed
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that it doesn't look ridiculous and it opens up and there's earbuds inside and you would never think that looking at them I actually
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kind of want to do one of those one of those videos I always want to do these videos where you go into New York City and you hand someone a tech product and
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you're like tell me about it what do you think and I would do that with these and I don't think anyone would think there's
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earbuds inside nobody why wouldn't you yes like I've wanted to do that video with promotion and give people like an iPhone one with promotion on one with promotion off and be like swipe around
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how do you feel about the screen and just see if anybody notices because I always have this theory that people notice as soon as they figure out what's
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happening um I don't think anyone would notice people have run those tests on high refresh rate versus low refresh rate and
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only a few people notice interesting yeah 30 of people notice John did the like PPI on the XR and the 10r and the 10 yeah and like it was very even that
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one I think a lot of people didn't really yeah I just want I like to experiment with the framing of it like if you just hand them the two phones and
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say notice anything right yeah you probably won't get anything but if you say swipe back and forth a little bit
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does one of them feel different swiping back and forth then you start to get people going oh yeah wait a second this one feels smoother and then they can't
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unsee it anymore and it kind of that effect happens yeah that that's a fun project I've wanted to do and just haven't done yet but this one nobody would suspect a thing which is normal
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yeah you're James Bond yeah it's fun it is a very like double 07 kind of fun Gadget oh my gosh yeah
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anyways James Bond the good guy or a bad guy I think he's a hero I might be wrong uh we're gonna take a
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quick break but before we do we should do trivia trivia they're okay so we spoke about
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the Huawei watch buds sure did but we want to throw it back to the ogs in the game yeah so before Google acquired
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Fitbit Fitbit acquired a company called pebble sure did they had a very impressive Kickstarter lunch they raised about 10 million dollars in like a couple months um what year did that happen in oh the
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kickstarter or yeah the kickstarter the actual Kickstarter funding wow okay I remember I think some details around my
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life and I'm just gonna have to work backwards that's what I'm trying to do yeah yeah I'm gonna guess okay perfect
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solid we'll do the answers at the end of the Pod like usual till then we'll be right back
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back let's talk about this is a kind of a rare story in Tech this almost never happens but we actually have a little
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bit of leaked information from a new pixel phone before it's even announced this is crazy this is wild we don't get to this is like I try not to pay attention to leaks I want it to be a
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surprise and Google stuff is almost always a complete surprise when it comes out they go on stage they go this is the pixel I go dang you did nice so that's
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all sarcasm uh this might be a bigger story than the yellow iPhone it might be amazing um so this time we just got a little taste of the pixel 7A just a little
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little breadcrumb and the breadcrumb is someone has the entire phone already it took high resolution detailed photos of every angle of it and put them online and looted it up and booted it up and
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has lots of interesting things to say about it fun um okay so we knew there was going to be
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a 7A because we've had the 5A and the 6A and this looks kind of like the six a yeah again but it's a 7A the details are
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kind of just that it's gonna have a lot of the same specs that we expected it's two 12 megapixel cameras
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a single Sim no headphone jack flat screen the metal bar camera on the back if you look at these photos they kind of have like this really subtle pattern I don't know how do we feel about this
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pattern I kind of think it looks like when you take a case off that has adhesive and it just like left a residue on the phone and a pattern but maybe
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that's part of the phone I think it kind of looks like the S used to draw in high school or in like Middle School in that
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one corner I kind of like it I think it like adds a little to it um I think like since the regular models
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usually have the two-tone like the a series is always one solid color through so it adds a little something different
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that differentiates from the the Top Model but yeah I don't know it's kind of nice okay slapped on it immediately yeah
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that's a fact but okay two improvements two main improvements why you would be interested in this new 7A one is the
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they're saying that there's an option for a 90 Hertz screen which I assume is like a software setting that they found
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yeah it uses additional battery but would yeah get smoother High refresh rate so that's
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I like I mean I'm interested I think it's big also because the 6A was the one that had the like 90 Hertz panel but no
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options and people were attacking ways to find it so this it looks like we're actually getting just the default option
00:26:29
for 90 Hertz yeah which I think is why that they maybe there's a little bit of a bigger battery or something I don't know but they've maybe this one has 90
00:26:35
Hertz which is cool high refresh rate on this level of a phone is becoming more and more common the other thing is it's
00:26:42
had a glass back uh but now finally has allegedly 5 watt wireless charging 5 watt wireless charging is it's not fast but it is wireless charging it's better than nothing yeah and so again in
00:26:55
a world where it's like in budget phones you either just cut corners and Nick's features or like maybe barely include a
00:27:01
feature like you'll see a phone with like four cameras on the back you're like wow multi cameras and they're like one of them's a macro one of them is a
00:27:07
black and white camera and one of them is a depth sensor yeah you didn't have to spend that money I don't want any of those this one is like some people
00:27:14
really like wireless charging in a world of people buying the pixel 7A I feel like a lot of them are coming from a
00:27:20
phone that didn't have wireless charging and it'll be nice and convenient to have it yeah just have it yeah trickle charge
00:27:26
overnight yeah fine I'm totally fine with slow wireless charging if I'm being honest like yeah because most of my
00:27:33
wireless charging is done over a long period of time and I can do it so often because I can just pick it up so easy
00:27:38
like I don't know I don't really care mine is not done over a long period of time so like Fast wireless charging is
00:27:44
really nice for me um because I I don't really plug my phone in physically anymore at all ever
00:27:50
and I don't always remember to put on the charger at night time oh well that sounds like a you probably well okay I usually do but sometimes I'm like you know using my phone and I just pass out
00:28:01
on the couch or something okay I just forget to plug it in yeah fast wireless charger would be nice but uh like you
00:28:08
said so here's a real world example my sister wants a new phone but she only wants small phones she bought a pixel 6 and returned it because she hated how big it was even the regular six because
00:28:18
she has girl pants and girl pants don't have pockets I asked her if a pixel 6A would work for her because it's a
00:28:24
smaller device a little smaller and she doesn't really care about literally anything except for the fact that it's a pixel but she said oh I'm used to having
00:28:31
wireless charging and I need wireless charging oh that's a specific okay so it needs to be small and needs to have
00:28:36
wireless charging yeah I'm about to go straight to Zenfone yeah I also told her Zenfone yeah
00:28:41
um but she's really hooked on pixels okay yeah because Zenfone is the closest thing you can get to a pixel but it does not yeah okay so I mean yeah I'm
00:28:49
assuming pricing is going to be about this same as last as pixel 6A pixel 5A yeah it was a 350. I think it was more I
00:28:56
would think it was 3.99 I thought 6A went up a little bit from the 5A right I mean this is if they add 90 Hertz and
00:29:03
add 5 watt wireless charging I wouldn't be shocked if it was at the top of what they were doing last time yeah 449 yeah
00:29:10
oh 449 yeah 300 it's on sale okay c449 you start to get phones that have like because this is gonna have a tensor chip you start to get phones that have like 90 yeah 90 Hertz sometimes 120 hertz
00:29:23
sometimes already wireless charging yeah this is a mid-range territory even with these two new options I still think it
00:29:29
should be 449 if they're just gonna keep bumping the price up 30 or 50 every then
00:29:34
it's just go yeah it's just going to be the six soon or you know the seven or the low end eight I think the pixel 4A
00:29:42
was the best a phone ever and I think it started at like 3 40. they were like 350
00:29:48
at some point yeah they started it yeah yeah I think it was 349 and it was like such a good phone that was one of my favorite phones ever the 4A it was so
00:29:54
good it was so good yeah yeah well we'll keep an eye on that now believe it or not there is actually more there's more
00:30:01
pixel leaks I know this is crazy this never happens um pixel fold we've sort of been like
00:30:07
anticipating for a while thinking Google's gonna do a folding phone every year it's like is this the year and then
00:30:13
the next year we're like okay this might be the year yeah it seems like 2023 is the Year we're gonna get a folding pixel
00:30:18
phone um and there are some renders of it by people who have sources that seem to
00:30:24
think it's going to look kind of like an Oppo Find n so it'll be if you remember the end it's a slightly shorter and more
00:30:31
passport shaped um folding phone so the screen on the front is I think more usable for
00:30:37
one-handed use like a normal phone and then you open it and it's not a gigantic inside screen but it is more screen and
00:30:44
you can do two-handed multitasking multi-window fun pixel stuff um I am firmly I'm bracing myself for this to be another classic example of
00:30:54
pixel is all about software and don't get it if you're expecting the most premium Hardware if you not the most
00:31:01
premium Hardware you'll probably have to get the Oppo Find in or the Samsung that you or something else Get It in America
00:31:07
right or one of the at least a Samsung phone that like you know is tested from years of having folding phones yeah and
00:31:15
the Google Advantage is going to be well it's a pixel so you're going to want all the magic of the software and the cameras and everything else that's what
00:31:21
I'm bracing myself for I don't expect this to like blow me out of oh my God there's no bezel oh my God there's no
00:31:26
crease I don't I don't expect any of that yeah that's where I'm at yeah but yeah which would make me sad
00:31:32
stinks close close we're both sad if that's all that matters yeah Counterpoint though
00:31:39
the pixel watch was actually really nice Hardware uh really nice Hardware the software is
00:31:46
almost where it like that kind of the bezel was rough I do think the overall design made the bezel less annoying just because it like looked good in the like rounded edges but
00:31:57
yeah it was good design I would say that distinguished between good design and good Hardware because when I picture great design a great Hardware I also think like big battery like great
00:32:08
optimization of space like all these nice materials and then with design it's like oh yeah you've got the bezels nice
00:32:14
to the edge it's nice and trim it's a handsome looking device I I think the pixel thing at least with
00:32:20
the phones the phones is just like look it's a it's a fine piece of Hardware but you're here for the software that's what
00:32:26
the pixel thing is yeah yeah but the rumors around this is is that it may be announced uh or may come out on June
00:32:32
13th I think announced June 13th and now well they're saying they might show it off at i o that's my guess oh yeah
00:32:38
released in July potential well I wrote that I the date I saw was June 13th yeah which I'm guessing is an announcement
00:32:44
because that would be a round i o right iOS in May is it in May yeah yeah so maybe it could be we have seen announced
00:32:51
IO released a month later early July yeah a lot of the old um a series devices were always announced to IO and released in early June I remember one specifically that was in July
00:33:04
okay yeah yeah the 4A got pushed to August okay so then maybe five eight came out in July cool then maybe it is released June 13th that'd be awesome that'd be dope yeah if we got an A
00:33:15
series and a fold in June I was gonna say like the pixel fold feels like one of those things that has been rumored for literal years and years and years like the watch just like the uh Apple
00:33:29
mixed reality headset they both seem like these products that are like literally never going to come out but
00:33:35
people talk about them all the time also like the Apple car even though that's gonna be a long time coming forever but it would be really amazing if both the
00:33:42
pixel fold and the mixture the Apple mixed reality headset actually 23. that would be kind of sick yeah I think that
00:33:48
would be longer odds but it wouldn't still could happen yeah the rumors point to like Tim Cook going it needs to be out this year so that'd be cool
00:33:54
Counterpoint we'd have a lot less to talk about on the podcast if both of them actually released how are we going
00:33:59
to talk about rumors and spec yeah I mean we already are talking with the second generation Apple mixed reality headsets yeah true yeah yeah speaking of next gen there are yet more
00:34:11
pixel rumors oh my God because of course we need to have a pixel 8 and 8 pro this year that's of course this week we got
00:34:17
every single Pixel that is going to come out this year we got renders and rumors about isn't that funny pixel things leaking that usually that's weird this
00:34:25
reminds me of weird we watched the Eddie burback video right where he's like what if there were 10 restaurants I lied
00:34:30
there's this many it's like we have a leak I lied there's more right here yeah so pixel 8 and 8 Pro we're expecting
00:34:36
it's actually not too much but I think the one thing that caught my eye from Twitter is eight Pro flat screen
00:34:43
that's really all I'm here for that's all that matters yeah you pre-ordered it already I basically have like verbally this is my commitment Google get me one phone of the Year I'll give you the
00:34:55
dollars that you are going to charge for it um yeah I think the the sort of first two generations of the picks also having
00:35:01
that curved outer on the on the pro anyway yeah um I would always use the pro because it
00:35:09
has a higher refresh rate because it has a telephoto camera but I would I would always wish it had the flat screen of the non-pro because I actually low-key
00:35:15
like that a little more now same and I think this is this is the first year we're expecting flat on both what if
00:35:20
there's a chance we got flat screen on the pro and 120 hertz on the regular that would be really hard to sell the
00:35:27
pro because remember every time it comes out I don't want to get into this again we can save getting I I'll destroyed later
00:35:34
I'll summarize it I'll compress it for you the only difference between the pixel and the pixel Pro is high refresh
00:35:40
rate bigger battery bigger screen telephoto camera that's basically it I think David's saying the a pro is a bad
00:35:46
Buy what I'm just putting words in his mouth everyone tweeted David leave me alone
00:35:54
team pixel is out for you right now they're coming again I never said a single thing no this is I am I'm excited
00:36:00
about that I think we'll look forward to all these pixel phones this year who I don't think we're gonna get any more leaks usually pixel stuff is really
00:36:06
sealed like tight so I think this is about all we can expect to get probably not going to see any more of this so
00:36:11
enjoy it while you can run this joke into the garage what's this I would not have been shocked at all
00:36:17
okay that's a great place for a Break um which means we should do one more trivia question
00:36:23
[Music] thank you all right in 2007 a company called polymer Vision released an e-reader with a rollable screen a rollable screen in
00:36:37
2007 I know was this device called a the radius B the roller scroller or C the scrollio
00:36:49
I know how excited you were to make that question all right I think we're all going to attempt to picture this device in our heads we'll see how successful we
00:36:56
are we'll be back after the break okay welcome back guys uh so we have some new information about Google's
00:37:11
basically chat GPT generative AI workspace stuff uh they are now officially integrating generative AI into basically all of Google workspace
00:37:22
it's about time yeah so this is their competitor to all of uh Microsoft integrating stuff into office uh and there's a lot here actually there's like a lot here they're integrating it into
00:37:33
Gmail into docs into Google Slides um pretty much everything that Microsoft had but there's a lot of really interesting features uh for example you can say like
00:37:45
help me write an email about this and I'll just write the whole email that's what I was hoping for that's exactly what I was hoping for because I was gonna wait for an email client to do this first and like add a text
00:37:57
generation thing where it could just be like write me an excuse to not go to work on Thursday and then it would just
00:38:03
type this amazing email and you just hit send and then we're gonna start testing they start charging and they start
00:38:08
charging a fee because they can write your emails for you yeah so now Google's gonna do it and it's going to be free love that yeah the official the official
00:38:15
list that they say is they have draft reply summarize and prioritize your Gmail brainstorm proofread write and rewrite
00:38:23
in docs bring your creative original life with auto-generated images audio and video in slides oh uh go from raw
00:38:30
data to insights and Analysis via Auto completion formula generation and contextual categorization and sheets
00:38:36
generate new backgrounds and capture notes and meet and enable workflows for getting things done in chat oh the cat
00:38:43
the the Google meet notes thing I think they already said something about that where you're on a meeting and it's
00:38:50
taking notes about the meeting for you which is great I love that that's sweet yeah some of these are really really
00:38:55
helpful some of these I'm a little bit concerned about which ones are you concerned about I'm a little bit concerned about the ones where it's
00:39:02
writing emails for you I'm a little bit concerned about the ones where like one of their examples is writing a job
00:39:07
listing I'm just a little bit concerned that like the less effort people are going to have to put into these systems
00:39:13
to generate a lot of more information the less likely they're going to be to actually proofread what it's saying so
00:39:19
if you say write me an email about this and it ends up being either not exactly what you meant to say or it added stuff to the email that you didn't ask for and
00:39:30
that you didn't know about and the other person gets that and they read it and they go regarding this point what do you mean and you're like what are they
00:39:36
talking about I never said that it's like you are you're passing off information from your brain to an AI
00:39:43
yeah and in order to not have to do that work yourself and this has been a thing
00:39:49
that I've thought about a lot in the last few years it's like we're now starting to offload storage from our
00:39:55
brains onto hard drives you know to the point where we have to do less work we have to put less cognitive effort in and therefore it's being stored on a computer instead and so now if it starts
00:40:08
writing all these emails and writing these documents that say things that you didn't pay a lot of attention to it's
00:40:13
like it's like we were talking about before when you're doing a test or you're writing an essay or you're doing a research project and you actually
00:40:20
learn about the thing by proofreading yourself and going through something and making sure that you understand it
00:40:26
there's going to be less and less of that happening and people are going to less understand what they're saying in
00:40:32
the future instead of like oh that was autocorrect it'll be like oh Transformer error like you're like wait I thought
00:40:38
this job said that it was two days a week yeah imagine that it's like you you read
00:40:46
a job posting and it's like fully remote and because it's trained on like most jobs doing floor remote but the actual
00:40:51
hiring manager didn't want it to be so remote so that'll be the thing is like maybe the skill becomes training your AI
00:40:58
instead of like writing I think that's it's also just like giant user error if you're doing it like that though and I feel like in those situations where if you're messing that up then the job
00:41:09
listing you're posting to is gonna be like what do you mean by this oh I didn't write that
00:41:15
the whole point if you want to write a long formal email like the whole point of it writing the email for you is you
00:41:21
have to do less work but you still have to proofread it it's still less work I don't think most people can improve well then that's I think that's their problem
00:41:27
then and like ultimately it will weed people like that out they'll still try and use it and maybe it'll work but I
00:41:32
think like ultimately people who are just that's just the same people who are like copy
00:41:39
and pasting work online for school projects and stuff like that they're just gonna fail those instances where
00:41:45
they try and do it I I kind of I kind of disagree a little bit I think that um actually it's it's up to the engineers and the designers of these platforms to make it easier for people
00:41:57
to proofread the work you know in the interfaces and I also think that a lot of times people who make tools like this actually make it harder to self-track and to self-proof read because that is
00:42:08
how you admit the flaws in the thing you've designed yeah I guess the in this current state where uh the AI tools aren't perfect yeah it is a skill to be
00:42:19
able to take the output from the AI and turn it into something fully correct or fully useful like that's that's a
00:42:26
specific skill right now and then the question is when the AI tools get better and better and better
00:42:31
is your skill gonna have to shift out of that correction and into some other phase where you're the one training the
00:42:37
AI or you're the one like deploying the AI into like what it should be typing where I just think right now it's it is the
00:42:44
skill you have to be able to take what AI gives you and turn it into something useful you don't just copy and paste it my question is like does it become
00:42:51
because at the end of the day you're going to have to have people that are trained to proofread whatever the ad
00:42:56
generates and make sure that it's tailored to what they actually want and my question is going to be is it going
00:43:02
to take them longer to have to proofread what the AI writes then it's gonna take them to just write it correctly in the
00:43:08
first place it depends on their knowledge base like if someone's just a copywriter and good at researching and
00:43:14
fact checking then it's like you can give me any AI output and I can turn it into a useful thing yeah uh but if it's
00:43:20
like I need you to write uh you know job listings and job listings only then maybe if you just get an expert on
00:43:26
writing job listings you don't need this AI thing that slows them down they just do the thing that they're good at yeah
00:43:32
so yeah the AI tool this is just a fun it's a fun like it's a fun time to be interested in this
00:43:38
AI stuff because it's not perfect and so the skill becomes turning it into something useful what do you do with it
00:43:44
where I I just think it's fun yeah I do think like in terms of you saying could it take longer it'll be dependent on the
00:43:50
person like if you're a great writer like you've written for so long of your life it'll probably take longer for you
00:43:56
because it will write it all out for you and you're like go through this is how I want to say this this is wrong this is wrong this is wrong but for someone who
00:44:02
doesn't write maybe like me I could be like this is a really couple quick thoughts I have can you write this all
00:44:08
out it's like wow that described it way better than I ever could have and therefore as long as I just make sure a
00:44:13
couple of these things sound correctly to me that will be way faster for me like I I've written a couple like very
00:44:19
short sub stack articles and I've had to proofread them 10 times because I'm just like I don't like how I said that change
00:44:24
the whole paragraph and changes the whole meaning of everything and then I had to rewrite the entire thing and yeah
00:44:30
this is it's really fun because also using AI as a tool as a Creator is is interesting now like I I have a certain writing style when I'm writing a video uh I don't necessarily script every
00:44:44
single word but what I am doing is getting a list of points that I need to cover and say in a certain order and get
00:44:51
the facts right and then the sort of connective tissue is just like in the flow of things and so when I am like
00:44:58
creating something from scratch and I start with a blank page that first bit of like generating the skeleton of the
00:45:05
thing I want to say actually can be done by AI like that actually is a thing where I could plug it into chat GPT and be like give me a
00:45:12
give me a top five list of the most Innovative let's go most successful Tech products of all time and then it just goes all right it does the research it finds a list of five maybe I asked for
00:45:22
ten and I know yeah and then I take that and I you and I go okay let me think do it which one of these 10 do I want to
00:45:28
use and I can narrow it down and pick the five best ones and then write all the connective tissue that
00:45:35
would have taken much less time yeah so I actually successfully in that instance use the AI to help me write something
00:45:42
and then it never gets like published as written thing it's just me talking and then in the video David's the fact tractor anyway so he's got to do all the
00:45:48
hard work yeah so I mean you know at least it's if it's about this is also what I said in the video if it's about a
00:45:54
topic that I already know about then when I get the AI output I can diagnose what I need to fix if it's about a topic I don't know about that's tough then I
00:46:05
am spending a lot more time fact checking and Source reading I will just say like the concerns that I have around
00:46:10
a lot of these features are only for like a few things some of the other features are actually super useful like in really nice like for example the fact
00:46:17
that it can take like bulleted notes and summarize meetings for you that's really awesome but can it unsubscribe the first
00:46:25
thing that I thought of when you mentioned Gmail can already do that no it can't for like some of them it'll
00:46:30
have the unsubscribe thing on the top and you click it and then 2 days later I'll still get an email from this yeah
00:46:36
it depends on it depends on the website um and but AI should fix that whatever that's the number one as soon as an AI
00:46:42
can do all I want that's all I want yeah um yeah uh I really like the the meeting
00:46:47
notes uh the raw Data Insights and Analysis via Auto completion and sheets is really helpful because you're basically just taking something that it's like I don't necessarily have this
00:46:59
um I don't know how to use Google Sheets correctly and I have all this information it's just a button to like
00:47:05
do that analysis for you that's good very useful oh yeah um being able to like brainstorm things
00:47:11
in Google Docs very useful so I think just like every other AI category there's probably going to be a large amount of um people arguing about what's okay and
00:47:23
what's not okay you could have people say like oh well people are trained in Excel and you should be hiring an Excel
00:47:28
person or um another feature that's obviously going to be super controversial is that in Google Slides
00:47:34
you can just auto-generate images and audio and that's been the kind of highlight of most of the controversy recently because the images it generates are going to be based on a database
00:47:45
somewhere right depending on where they get that database if it's an ethical database for his regular scraping
00:47:50
database who knows um but I would say that overall this is an example of boring Computing which is where you get to integrate AI into something that just like makes your life
00:48:02
a little bit easier because Google has had really really really really basic versions of all of this stuff for a
00:48:09
really long time when you're when you're writing in Google Docs and you say yeah I want to and then it'll suggest that
00:48:15
you finishes the rest of the sentence you hit Tab and it fills it in right yeah it's just doing that but with way more tokens and then a lot of other
00:48:23
random features like this that's why it kind of feels like a Natural Evolution to me like the Gmail app right now if I
00:48:29
say my address is and hit space it goes oh I know it's yeah and it says if you just want to take that address like you
00:48:35
usually do just swipe over hit tab it appears and like so the skill is just knowing like how to trigger that and how
00:48:42
to type and have that save you a little bit of time and I guess now it's like okay autocomplete was just me going
00:48:49
press the first you know how you'll take you'll write your first word and then just hit the middle auto complete word and just makes a sentence based on what
00:48:56
it thinks that's just because it's trained off of you typing a lot yeah it's just a little bit more advanced
00:49:01
than that maybe I'm just a boomer and I'm a little concerned about this but like I just thanks I just I don't know I
00:49:08
I worry about a day where everything is completely written by Ai and it removes every single ounce of individualism from our writing to the point where like any
00:49:18
email you know I know that you don't care when you get an email that's like very very businessy 80 of my emails are
00:49:25
templates anyway yeah yeah exactly exactly like all the pr emails we get we get PR emails that say hello journalist
00:49:32
or like hello YouTuber and obviously they didn't even go in and do the work of filling that in and their templates
00:49:37
but like I just I'm concerned about today where you're like uh tell Michael I can't make it to his birthday party
00:49:43
and then it writes this long thing like I'm so sorry I've got a thing that's going on and it's like you know it's I
00:49:49
don't know it's it concerns me a little bit but this is like controversial topic and I'm a boomer so I don't think you
00:49:55
need to worry because soon AI will be able to tell your tone and your characteristics and then I'll be able to write that that's literally a Black
00:50:01
Mirror episode for like the woman's husband dies and they download all his text messages and
00:50:07
then they put him in a in a data based robot here's um maybe my hot take version of what you
00:50:14
were talking about which is like if you just write something and it just works do you just hit send uh the the question
00:50:20
of like writing an essay for school if you put in the prompt into chat GPT and it spits out an essay and it's like a c minus essay and you just hit send you deserve a c minus because the prompt
00:50:34
that you decided to give it and your knowledge of how to use the tools gave that and you're deciding to not
00:50:41
proofread it you deserve a c minus not an F because the goal of assigning you an essay is to see how good of a response can you give to the prompt and that's the response you give given your
00:50:52
tools and that's it that's what's gonna happen in real life when you get a job in the real world they're going to be like write an essay on this
00:50:57
theoretically and you're going to give them the C minus thing and you deserve a c minus not an F but if you get really
00:51:03
good at designing prompts for AI hear me out you get really good at getting certain words into chat GPT and it kicks
00:51:10
out just the right essay and then you proofread it a little bit and send that in and it's an A plus essay you deserve
00:51:15
an A plus because you did that work to create that thing completely agree I think it's a skill I think that's dependent on the thing you're trying to learn in school if you're trying to be a
00:51:27
doctor and have to write an essay about how to save somebody's right something you shouldn't have to have to take the time when someone's dying in front of
00:51:34
you don't look at that GPT okay so if it's that's a great if you have to learn things to memory to Future help on the
00:51:40
job site thinking then that you should fail like if it's uh if it's write a history essay about why uh this Monument
00:51:47
was important for this piece of history and time maybe you don't need to memorize all those facts but if you go
00:51:53
back and fact check and make sure your essay is good you are going through the learning process a little bit but if it's like write an essay about why this
00:51:59
type of surgery is better and then you're doing that to become a doctor and do that surgery that shotg thing is not
00:52:05
a skill you need to be a good doctor you should actually use the skills to be a doctor to get the doctor degree right
00:52:11
it's like very specifically something I thought about is like when these generative AI can start doing computer science and coding for people which they
00:52:18
can um and there's all these tools that have been popping up in the last couple of years like no code where it can just
00:52:23
like create websites for you create code for you um the cons the problem there is that if
00:52:30
everyone grows up not having to learn the fundamentals of things and they just are able to use these tools to make
00:52:35
stuff there becomes a limit of how much you can actually build out from there or if
00:52:41
you have a problem how do you diagnose it I mean like photography what I feel like people don't really know how
00:52:47
photography works but they just hit a button on their phone and they have pictures well yeah but photography it's like a photo you can do a cool photo but
00:52:54
like you're not like transforming you're like you're not creating the future of photography by taking pictures
00:53:01
like in computer science if you're like building new tools or building new architectures or whatever you still have
00:53:07
to understand how the architecture Works no because there will always be people that will do that like you you are a
00:53:13
photographer yeah but everyone can take a picture there's going to be a time where everyone can write code but there
00:53:18
are there will be Engineers that know how to write code I would hope so I just don't want us to get to the point where
00:53:25
in like in like Elementary School and University it's like click these buttons and then everything's done for you and
00:53:31
that's how you get an essay kids I think there will be there will I think kind of like what you're saying there's
00:53:36
always there has to be the general use of a thing and then the behind the scenes knowledge of how it works thing and for most people in most cases when you drive a car down the highway you
00:53:48
don't have to know how the car works you just use the tool yeah and when you you know take a photo with your phone you
00:53:54
don't have to know how it works you just got a photo but there will always be some group of people that is I am
00:54:00
actually interested in how this works I want to get behind the scenes and build the things then you have to learn those things you don't get to just use the
00:54:07
tool you actually learn the things that's true and so this is just one more tool that a lot of people are just going
00:54:12
to use for normal things yeah and then some fraction of them will be like I want to get these tools to be better I'm
00:54:18
going to learn how they work and then that's the other group I suppose it's an aspect of democratization Right Where like many more people can build uh
00:54:26
things that you would normally need to code for but the people that want to make new stuff still have to be the ones
00:54:33
that understand the fundamentals it's just there's a much wider swath of people that are able to create stuff
00:54:38
sorry good work I was gonna say that's how I felt when you were mentioning how like it can do things in Excel or can do
00:54:44
things in slide or you might have an Excel expert or designer I see it more as it will make the average person who's
00:54:51
maybe creating the concept of what you need that sheet for or that slide for can create it and then when it gets into
00:54:57
the professional aspect it's like this person Excel can do this a thousand times faster and do all of it and then
00:55:02
or this designer when we need to make slides for presentation will can see my vision and make it into a real thing right it almost feels I I just had this
00:55:12
thought while you were saying it it's like chat GPT is when you call the help desk at uh any place it's the first the
00:55:20
first person you talk to that's reading off of a script and telling you all the things on a script and then the experts
00:55:25
are the uh you got through the expedited ticket that like you've made it through all the steps and they can't help you
00:55:31
and now there's an actual expert sitting there that is is like oh yeah I've dealt with this 100 times before like let me
00:55:36
walk you through it I think the difference is that we're getting to the point where chat GPT has dealt with this 100 times before I can walk you through
00:55:42
it that's the question it's like that's the question if it does happen I don't know if we're there yet well I'm not saying AGI I'm just saying that like I
00:55:49
mean especially with I think maybe someday like we're getting there quickly yeah is what I'm saying I think the
00:55:55
closer we get the harder and heart the farther we'll get if that makes sense the closer we
00:56:02
get this so much harder those last Parts yeah the last parts of getting to the actual
00:56:08
human level is going to be so hard that that Gap is going to exist forever it's like cars a little oh man sorry I love the analogy but I'm like everyone knows how to drive
00:56:19
a car in the basic form of turn it on foot on the gas and steering wheel and if you ask somebody right now to like build a car it's just like there is a giant gap between people who know how to
00:56:32
use a car and know how to make the car better drive like build the car is that what you mean I was gonna I think it
00:56:38
works better with a lot of people can drive a car but watch autonomous driving how long that's
00:56:44
been going on and it is it's so much better than it was but it is so far away from an actual human driving yeah true yeah I think a lot of the Google changes
00:56:55
do feel like a more natural evolution of what Google was already doing and not as much of a like stark contrast like leap
00:57:02
away from what they were doing and I think that that is good and smart and like we have talked about before Google has everything to lose and other
00:57:08
companies have everything to gain and so them doing that is probably a good move
00:57:13
um especially since they like low-key announced this like they weren't making a big deal about it whereas whenever you
00:57:19
know whenever openai releases something new like open eye feels like the new Tesla or the new same guy whatever like yeah like they feel like they knew Bell
00:57:30
Labs like everything whenever they do anything the world pays attention and that has only existed for the last like six months like it's insane however everyone is just like locking on to
00:57:43
every little thing they do whereas Google is being a lot more low-key about all these things I really want to try
00:57:48
all these new Google features I don't know when it's publicly launching um but it seems really interesting I
00:57:53
can't wait to have it right emails for me cannot wait for that I'm very excited I'm nervous I just think it's gonna be
00:58:00
funny when you ask it to write long emails and then everyone who receives the email is like I'm not reading all
00:58:05
that summarize that for me and it's just like within the AI it's just going like it's
00:58:10
attracting and it's Contracting and I love how you were like I'm so worried that people aren't gonna feel like
00:58:16
they're getting my personality and my email and then those people are gonna be like summarize this yeah
00:58:22
amazing okay well we've rambled that length about these well I think my hot my my summarization take is AI is a tool that's the that's the for you it's to cheat in college well
00:58:34
it's a useful tool I didn't cheat in college when I was in college I'll put it that way I wish I had this I would
00:58:41
have used so much to GPT uh last little thing uh openai actually did announce gpt4 I'm using it now
00:58:50
the entire thing yeah uh which was in bing for a long time and neither Microsoft nor open AI would say that it was in bing but now it they everyone knows but if you go on if you go on chat
00:59:03
gbt with gpd4 it can now parse images which is kind of a game changer in a lot of ways because you can literally show it a meme and say tell me why this is funny oh yeah and it will tell you why
00:59:15
it's funny I saw this Boomer thing to do I know that was cool because it was like a iPhone charger that looked like a VGA
00:59:20
cable and it's like this is funny because a VGA cable is a clunky old piece of tech and it's being plugged
00:59:27
into an iPhone yeah and then someone at the New York Times uh took a photo of all the food in their fridge and they
00:59:33
said what can I make with all of this and it was like well you could use this thing that you have mixed with this thing to make this meal
00:59:39
which is pretty amazing oh yo now you're in yeah you're in Samsung refrigerators
00:59:45
with Chachi PT so I can look at my store what should I have for dinner tonight what can I what do I need to make this
00:59:51
based on what's in my refrigerator and what's in this store like buy milk yeah smart fridge smart fridge Alice is
00:59:58
finally getting a smart fridge uh it also does way better on standardized tests they literally wrote a chart like
01:00:05
about the standardized test scores yeah it can process way more text if you put a lot of text into it and then um it's
01:00:12
already getting integrated into a ton of mainstream products so over the last few months probably since like Bing was
01:00:17
released they've been working with a number of different companies like Duolingo or uh that carrot app that you
01:00:24
were talking that you use for weather the weather app to integrate different chat assistants obviously Duolingo
01:00:29
already had like the owl chat assistant person thing not person but owl their name is duo duo it is
01:00:36
um and so now obviously all the chat Bots that are already within these apps are just gonna get better which I think is amazing right I think it's great that
01:00:43
you can have a more natural conversation with a chatbot that's already in an app I don't think every app needs a chatbot
01:00:48
but the ones that already have them are gonna get better which is final final question what year of CES
01:00:55
are we going to see the first refrigerator with the chatbot next year yeah absolutely 100 next year I think
01:01:02
that's probably a lock I think we're all in on that one yeah cs2024. nice all right well that's about it we've talked
01:01:08
at length for this episode about all these things but of course we need to get to the end which is trivia answers
01:01:14
trivia so scores Marquez has eight behind Andrew has seven David has 11. David in the lead okay first question
01:01:26
then the music plays and you have until the end of the music to write down your answer so we spoke about the watch buds
01:01:32
the Huawei ones before Google acquired Fitbit Fitbit acquired Pebble after they had an impressive Kickstarter launch
01:01:38
what year did Pebble run their Kickstarter campaign [Music] and the music begins Kickstarter oh okay I remember when I had the watch so I have to like rewind a little bit
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not a lot of time for rewinding here I think I better skip I'm thinking thinking of the pebble too I'm gonna go
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not the two I thought the same thing because I remember the yeah the pebble two came out I have to do a little more timeline I've got the original
01:02:04
Kickstarter guessing is so much faster I'm ready all right flip him and read what do you got oh wow differently range I have 2011.
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2014 2015. we're both too late all wrong the year was 2012. oh that's what I erased I know I saw oh my God
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the correct answer down and then erased it I need cool cool cool cool everything's
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fine I needed that point yeah multiple choice one this is the multiple choice one all right
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another trivia question big smile in 2007 a company called polymer Vision released an e-reader with a rollable screen in 2007 this device was called a
01:02:51
hit it the radius the roller reader or c the scrollio I'm torn [Music] I'm kind of torn torn because I know how
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good Ellis is at making up fake names oh you guys all right what do we got between a and
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these I picked oh sorry I was trying between A and B but I picked a let's go thanks well I didn't I pick C the scrolling I saw
01:03:40
you guys like like scrollio uh scrollia sounds like an actual Silicon Valley Product yeah the well I was trying to
01:03:46
pick something that would be 2007 Silicon Valley you know so like roller reader may have been a Nook competitor I don't know 2007 was like kind of before Silicon Valley became Silicon Valley
01:03:58
that's the the first iPhone yeah Facebook existed yeah but it was like before the whole valley was like startup startup culture yeah true early like I
01:04:10
used to go there all the time and it was not like it was not the way it is now but David Xerox Park was there I was
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gonna say there needed to be an X in it if you wanted to sound like two thousand so yeah some crazy spelling all right thank you for watching and for listening
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and of course stay tuned till next week we'll see you there space waveform is produced by Adam
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