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[Music] all right what's going on everybody welcome back to another episode of the
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waveform podcast we're your hosts i'm marquez and i'm andrew and in today's episode we got a bunch to talk about
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we've got samsung's beefy new tablet over here the s8 ultra we're going to talk about this we also want to talk
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about youtube subscribers and if they're still worth anything and also we'll get into zac jerry everything snapping a
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phone in half but first we interrupt the regular programming to talk about daft punk just like daft punk
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interrupt our regular programming yeah studio really messed up had us all glued to our screens
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um i it was kind of funny actually this unfolded a little bit before the announcement because i remember it was
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maybe like three or four days ago madian uh on his instagram story had a picture
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of a daft punk frisbee and i just replied like fire emoji and it's just like a random piece of merch
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that he had or whatever yeah and then last night or the night before i guess this launched austin just randomly tweeted yeah i missed daft punk exactly and so this was all sort of just
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happening in the background i'm just thinking about daft punk and then out of nowhere a daft punk twitter account is born
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and tweets yeah some album art from uh the homework album yeah from 1997. and we're all kind of like what this is and it was like it was a brand new account it doesn't follow anybody it
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wasn't even verified when it first tweeted and so we're trying to figure out is this just honestly what i thought was i
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thought daftpunk finally retired the twitter account and some lucky person just got it yeah and started tweeting and trolling everybody but immediately it's trending there's an official
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daftpunk.com website the instagram account lights up it starts sharing images it's given us throwback vibes um and then they tweeted twitch link well they
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tweeted another picture first that was just like uh the i don't know if it was the poster or something from some
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concert in 97 it was like a tour poster yeah um and people started freaking out about that yeah and i think there was
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like i mean internally we saw that and then we saw madion posting and all of us were like magic magic
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right but we thought maddie was in on it we thought he knew that daft punk was coming back and he was gonna like be
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part of it with them how great would that french duo or trio end up on stage that would be amazing but that's not
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what happened we got our hopes up at least that high that's not what happened uh they tweeted twitch link which was a
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countdown timer and when the timer went up it was uninterrupted footage of a 1997 concert actually before they
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started wearing helmets yeah that's a super og original performance from daf punk and
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they ended up re-releasing a sort of remastered version of the homework album from 1997 25th
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anniversary edition i thought that was pretty cool i wish they were touring again but that's a whole other story at
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least it's not an nft a lot of people thought it was going to be an nft and it wasn't that was a relief i was i there
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was a brief thought for a minute in my head that we're gonna see a daft punk nft and i would not know how to feel
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about that would you buy an nfd of the it was the silver robot that exploded right yeah the you know the closest i ever got to wanting to buy an nft was a piece of
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daft punk art actually it was just a mahler justin yeah and uh but i haven't actually bought any nfts or really
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gotten involved very much but obviously i have my eye on them they're on twitter all the time i was like if daftpunk gets into it that's going to be crazy
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but it wasn't it was just a little innocent little remaster of an old album so that was cool and you've been listening to it i
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you know what's funny so i listened to it on the way home that day in my car and i i am very familiar with pretty
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much daf punk's entire body of work and so i'm listening to it in the car and i'm like oh this does sound different
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this does sound really good like it's got this new spatial mix or whatever i'm feeling like oh the bass is a little bit
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less distorted it's a little tighter i'm i'm very into uh the difference here but then i i pulled it up on spotify today this morning at work and i was
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gonna play for you the difference between the two and i played them and i couldn't hear a
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difference like you were having like a mental breakdown and i'm freaking out because i'm like i know i heard a
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difference last night it sounded very different and now i'm playing the original homework album back to back
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with the remastered homework album and they sound exactly the same to me and i'm listening on the yamaha speakers and
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the hd650s and it turned out basically my car is introducing like the stereo mix this is just what tesla does they just have like a standard amount of stereo
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separation they just create among their speakers and uh so it was on by default i had to
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swipe it down to off to have it sound a little more like i expected okay but i was uh i was the victim of the placebo effect for sure last night because i was jamming i thought this was all brand new
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stuff it was uh but it's good i still enjoyed you know i got a little throwback out of it you have to listen i'm sure there's some things that sound
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a little different you hear remastered songs every once in a while and and just because you're so used to something even if it does sound
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better or a little more full it sounds off because you've just been used to something for so long yeah usually
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remasters you kind of you get a little more out of it you get a little more you know highlighting some things you might
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not have sound here heard before you know pulling up obviously higher resolution stuff but just uh it would be
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like if i remastered an old youtube video you'd be like oh this new dynamic range or it's a little more better resolution i can't actually do that
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because i don't have the original footage but anyway that's the idea uh so 25th anniversary of homework it's
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in the show notes as if daftpunk needs a shout out from me oh i will should have put that i think they're doing a oh we
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forgot to do that i was going to do that we'll do our clips outro or something that's a great idea that's a great idea um i think they're doing a vinyl release
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also of it true i believe yeah so if you're into the vinyls definitely definitely grab that i also have i think
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everyone in the tech world kind of saw this video but jerry rig everything has been massive lately but like it's
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when one of his when a phone fails spectacularly his video is like the only thing on everyone's twitter timeline in
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that that sense and um we had one of those happen he did the the oneplus 10 pro yeah and
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he snapped that thing in half like a candy bar like a kitkat bar really funny because he in uh zack's intro he was
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talking about how it's like uh he was skeptical because it's trying to release only phone when oneplus never
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does that and you just kind of like let's let's see what goes wrong and i know he does voiceovers but that was in the intro part and i was like oh man
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when he looked back to edit that i bet he's so happy that he said that ominous yeah but um
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watching through it it just kind of does everything a normal phone does and is his breakdowns it was like
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uh scratches at six deeper grooves at seven clockwork like everything else um but then the bend test and i also have
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to say there's a lot of comments every time this happens which isn't very often of who's gonna ever bend like this
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right no one no one's saying anyone's gonna bend it like this you could put in your back pocket you could sit on it
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there's there are ways though where a phone could break like this and because he does it to all of his phones when
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only how how many have snapped an app three maybe um i can think of three things
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that snapped in half three things though how are all of them phones one was an ipad one was the legion phone the legion
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phone was reason and snapped yeah but we all thought the legion phone was going to look at this that was a weird one it
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was also like not built snapped in two spots because of that yeah yeah you know the the bend test thing is funny i
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remember like the original the genesis of the bend test which was like the iphone 6 plus when lou
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you know actually it started because there were articles about people who sat on the phone and in their back pocketed bent and that was like oh that's kind of
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funny like it's a brand new phone it's just coming out it's betting in people's back pockets and then lou was smart
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enough to do a video where he just tested like well i'll try to bend this phone i don't know if he even tried to
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bend any other phones but on camera it's got the iconic top down shot the phone just bends right in half
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and that was like a moment of like well that's that seems bad yeah and so we got you know ben gate apple had to
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fix it 6s has these reinforced pieces inside the phone um zach's been doing bend tests
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since around then and i think that's the thing people point to is most phones don't bend in half
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when you try that exactly and the proof is zach is very strong and tries really hard to bend all of these phones so yeah when one of them does fail that spectacularly you're like well
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i wasn't putting my phone in my back pocket but it does seem kind of bad that this phone so easily failed durability
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wise it is clearly weaker than the majority of other phones that he does and that doesn't happen too is that a
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deal break if you were gonna buy a phone and you saw that it failed the bend test would that be a deal breaker for you i mean if it's compared to another phone
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that i consider equal footing that might just be the straw that that makes a change i i really like the oneplus 10 pro in a lot of ways and i feel like if it had the right software
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or maybe the international version comes out and i really like it i would still use it i'd still be fine with it yeah i don't think it should severely affect
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anybody's case i just have it in my pocket sure i loved when he tried to put it in the case at
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the end yeah to make sure the plug was still in there but it seems like there's a very specific
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reason it did it because under that giant camera bump is basically there the space for the
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battery and it's just like a clear space of nothing a clear line across it of nothing and
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then it happens to be on one side there's an antenna band and on the other side there's the volume rocker which is
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both of those things are making the rails which he also mentioned are super super thin yeah
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not as stable yeah so there you go i mean it's basically the same problem apple had and they had to in the next
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year's phone specifically add reinforcements to have thicker pieces right around those parts of the rail i
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think even if the the antenna band volume rocker is probably in a spot it's always going to be but antenna band and
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even thicker rails if you make the antenna band closer to like where the camera module is or where the battery is
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so you're getting a little extra support of the internals in it yeah on something like that but yeah we all know zach
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strong but he it did not look hard to break that i mean first little bend and that the
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whole back was splintered and shattered and then just like he flipped it around and it was barely anything and it just
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folded like a also the crazy thing is like he he does this with his bare hands right so it's a glass phone he breaks it
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in half he's literally pulling glass out of his thumb as in on camera i've held up devices where i'm like
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i wonder if i could bend this in half but the second i like start to and i see the bend going i'm like no i don't want
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to shatter glass everywhere and get it in my hands like that doesn't seem fun this tablet which we're going to talk about in a second
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guarantees that i could snap this in half guaranteed he would snap it it's so big so at a
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certain point it's much taller than an ipad pro and it's thinner and he snapped the ipad pro in half i don't see what
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they could do structurally to make this thing survive there's also but you never put it in your back exactly so it
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doesn't actually matter that much but yeah that's what i'm i there's lots of phones out there that
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would be fascinating to try to bend in half but uh i just leave it to the professionals maybe we should do a studio olympics of
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who can snap the most phones in half did you snap the the model phone in half yeah but shattered well that was more
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dangerous because of how much less safe that crappy glass is unlike a model that was glass everything it was glass oh
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yeah the front no the front of it was a class and it was shattered everywhere if you go back and
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watch that studio video yeah the phone guessing game yeah yeah um but yeah and just real quick why we're uh top of the
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show and still talking about zach he's doing this like evie hummer build out yeah i've seen some of this i didn't
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really there's 17 videos at this point and they're insanely detailed incredibly interesting so what is he doing because i've seen the final result videos and like sort of totally that's
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not totally done but what is the explain what the concept is and what he's trying to accomplish here it's kind of funny
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when he explains the concept because he's essentially taking one of the least fuel-efficient cars possible and turning
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it into an electric vehicle a green he called it the green machine so it's a humvee so not exactly like a
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regular hummer and he explains in there that kind of the difference between a humvee and a hummer is like humvee's a military vehicle that doesn't have the
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standard luxuries of like a regular everyday car like air conditioning and yeah pretty normal stuff i mean it's
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like almost straight metal interior and there's a bunch of quirky little things going on with this
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is like a 5 000 pound truck it was like armored trucks yeah and what i also right in the beginning the way he moves into this garage is this like little armored tank roomba looking thing that
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he like puts his jack on and it pushes it can push like three thousand pounds or something what a great invention but
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it pushes the whole hummer so it was really really impressive yeah um but he's been doing
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everything from stripping the humvee with of all the the regular like the engine and the transmission and all that
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stuff and then he's replacing it with the motor from one of those vehicles that pulls airplanes essentially
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um and then he has a bunch of batteries that i believe were from like a model 3 or something like that i'm almost positive as a tesla i don't remember the exact one wow but he's building
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everything um i haven't watched every single video but he gets super detailed and it's really really fascinating and
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i'm also really impressed by how he just like takes the camera underneath the car to like take apart
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all these different things it's a lot of work it's funny in the car community it is fairly common to like take a built
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engine and use like built parts and do all sorts of custom stuff yeah that doesn't really
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exist in the ev world like we have i don't know if you've ever seen rich rebuilds but i don't watch it's kind of along the
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same lines where it's like you realize that these car companies don't want you taking apart their cars because there's
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so much complexity you have to be an electrical engineer to make a lot of this stuff work safely whereas you had
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to be a mechanical engineer to do a lot of the previous generation of car stuff safely now you could get good enough as
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an enthusiast to do the car tinkering with gas cars uh zach's demonstrating how hard it is
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to do it with an electric car rich rebuilds did a version in reverse actually he took a tesla
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and has started gutting it and put a v8 in it really which is really funny half of it is like trolling because this is
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yeah i'm sure incredible troll but like that's the type of stuff that you realize is very rare so i i think it's
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cool that zach's doing it it's not gonna be like some like street legal production card type thing he's just doing a project yeah i'm not
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totally sure what the legalities of it are um yeah i wouldn't i don't think it's i would be street legal or anything
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i mean it might be totally sure i don't know what you would have to do to get it to be street legal um and i'm sure he
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talks about in one of the episodes but i've watched i watched like maybe the first five and then the last two
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um but i highly highly suggest watching it especially now if you haven't watched it and you want to like binge something
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he's getting really close to the end of it the end of it i don't want to spoil anything just being complete just
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complete you can drive it mark it charge it i mean not just like straight like a short
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drive i think he wants it to be a certain i think he wants it to be like a regular daily driver i'd be
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curious what happens when you plug that into like an electrify america charger does it just i think it's not
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no i don't know if that's impossible yeah i'm sure he's also covered that like i said lots of episodes all of them
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are about 20 or 30 minutes um and i now that i know about all of them because he's he's been posting more recently
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and then i found out they were that he's been doing it since last july i believe yeah so i wish him luck zach good luck
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also come on the podcast yeah explain what you're doing yeah yeah watching this i was just like
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exactly come on the podcast yeah soon sick all right let's take a quick break we'll come back we'll talk about this
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tablet i could snap in half all right welcome back i'm holding in my hands for the video viewers you can see this but for audio viewers a galaxy tab s8 ultra
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i love that samsung makes these so we've had samsung tablets in the past i've made videos about a couple of them and they've had the galaxy tab s7 we've had a couple of them in the studio and made
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videos but this is an ultra for the first time so they have a tab s8 and i have a tab s8 plus
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this is the tab s8 ultra it is a 14 and a half almost 15 inch screen it's going to hold up my surface laptop yes to it
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basically smaller basically imagine a laptop screen but just the screen so 15 inch laptop it's about a two and a half 2.9 k by 1.8 k so it's a decently high
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resolution but there is a lot going on here that i'm i'm curious what your thoughts are because the the gold
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standard in the tablet world is still the ipad right yeah and this is a 1100 tablet so it's competing with the highest and ipad the ipad pro if you were to compare it to another tablet
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this does a lot of things the ipad would never do so i i think it's worth at least
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pointing at some of those things yeah talking about them number one uh it's huge and it's 16 by 10 which is
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interesting uh the ipad has always been a little closer to a square not quite a square
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um but it is very obvious when you're holding it that this is meant to be in landscape it doesn't really make sense
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to use it like this you're holding like a clipboard yeah that's probably about the same aspect ratio i mean you could read a web
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page like this but the way things are oriented the way the notch at the top is in the top middle and we'll talk about
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the notch um and also the fingerprint reader is over here where your thumb would be
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boom oh okay so in this play fingerprint reader yeah it's got the it's optical it's not ultrasonic but like though it's
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just made to be hard for sure so that's an interesting note um although the the power and volume rocker feel like what it would be like if you were using it portrait that is true but
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then they're all the way at the top which is interesting i mean if you were just blowing a phone up this is about
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where they would be true they'd just be a lot bigger yeah and then the port is down at where at the
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bottom would be too so that's interesting yeah i still think this is this is a horizontal experience i agree
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because this huge screen you're what are you doing watching movies gaming i mean watching any videos really yeah
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uh potentially i mean multi-tasking on it as well yeah yeah so that's number one uh number two
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is it's an oled and this is something i haven't seen in an ipad yet so the ipad you know mini
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led we hear about all these dimming zones and that's all great i think this looks better even though it's a slightly
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lower pixel density and i can kind of see a little bit of if i go i mean it's a big enough screen that's
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your best chance at being but if you're again if you're doing this if you're like squinting an inch away look at the
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text doesn't that look kind of soft it's it's a little bit to do with the resolution and a little bit of the oh
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yeah i see what you're talking about the the pixel layout i don't know if it's pentile or what the this matrix is but
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it does look a little soft if you but you look how close you are to it to see it yeah exactly like if you're just looking at this eight that you're like
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that's a beautiful yeah so it's a it's a huge oled and that's this is the biggest touchscreen oled i think i want to
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confirm that but i think it's the biggest touchscreen oled i've ever used because we get the oled tvs but then we
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have lots of like mini led laptops mini led ipads this is a 15 inch oled and it looks great gets up to about 400 nits a little bit dimmer than the max brightness i would
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have liked to have seen but that's the downside of oled is it doesn't get super bright but great looking screen
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so i definitely want to point that out expandable storage that's great that's nice micro sd card
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right at the top there that's cool and then this pen is included for free so it's free it's a it's an s pen free free free for free definitely not something apple's doing right now with
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the 130 130 pencil but here's the interesting thing it attaches two ways one you can attach it by a magnet to the top right there okay that is like
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it's reasonable it doesn't charge there so this is like your this is like the the take the tablet off or like i was using the pen for a little bit and then i just want to leave it there for a
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second while i see how hard it is okay i just want to leave it there for a second while i do one or two other things and
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then grab it again so that's like a short-term score if it's like laying down flat and you're just sliding it right on top to keep it
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there so i gotta it's got that flat edge like the apple pencil you're gonna snap it into place but the only place that
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actually charges is on the back like that and this is the same as last year uh where it's super
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easy to just yeah scrape it off or if you put it in a bag don't have a case can i see yeah why is the place it goes on specifically glossy that's just supposed to show you where it goes or oh
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because it's glass and can wirelessly charge yeah it can't be metal so that's it's they just decided to do plastic or
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whatever it feels weird to have like a glossy place where the thing that's gonna like touch on it all the time and
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potentially scratch it up it's gonna just constantly keep going the ipad does like a plastic matte plastic cutout you
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can only do it facing one way it kind of does it but you can tell it doesn't but it doesn't charge yeah oh it doesn't charge not very well you have to line it
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up with a specific spot that yeah yeah because when you do that i see an animation
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it's a nice click nice click so that's one thing i don't know if you know the ipad kind of has the same problem where
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like you slap the apple pencil on the side and it could just fall off at any point here's samsung's solution
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this is half of their book keyboard case there's an attachable keyboard the other half is just like imagine a
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magnetic folio that slaps to the back that has a a dent in it that just holds the uh the
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pencil to the back of the tablet and essentially like has its own little um flap so that you can open up for the
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pencil without taking the whole thing off of it's like a little hidden compartment except it's not hidden
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because it looks really obvious from the back yeah it's just a little bulge holding the pen in there
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you know who i think has done this the best microsoft they have the the keyboard that goes in the bottom that's the front cover for it and at the top of the keyboard it just basically
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folds onto itself and creates its own little hinge and hides the pencil in there right and then it doesn't feel
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like this huge bump on the back it's just kind of like well you almost don't notice it because when the keyboard is up it just props it
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up a little tiny bit and then the pencil is hidden i do like that a lot the problem with that is you can't use that
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without the keyboard thing yeah if you well i guess they're assuming you're using the keyboard as like you're just
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plain cover but if you don't want to bring your keyboard then yeah you've lost yeah i like that this accessory you can use half of it and you can use this
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little kickstand right here and dave made a video about this tablet already we're working on our full video right now but something he said in the video
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which i thought was really interesting and very true is a tablet this big you aren't using it holding it most of the
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time like it's got this split keyboard that i keep using because i'm typing while holding it but i actually found
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most of the time i use it i've set it down somewhere and i'm either watching something or i have a website pulled up
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i've got whatever amazon whatever videos and so i just used a regular keyboard and so i've got this little kickstand here and it just pops up like that
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and then that's how i use it most of the time i don't think i've taken my ipad out of the folio in years like i just
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just sits constantly in that folio case no i do like this little uh this little kickstand is nice because it's not
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adding a lot of bulk to the back of it yeah but yeah it's also the thinnest tablet i've ever seen yeah so you can
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add like a thick case and it's a good hinge on this too for how thin it is yeah now man i keep slamming it on the desk
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it still has the optional keyboard accessory that i'll hold up for our our video viewers here it's got a track pad
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it's got some pins and some magnets and it slaps on this has the same problem that the
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surface and the ipad pro have which is that the top is heavier than the bottom so when you try to use it like a laptop it's all flopping around because all of the weight it's like top heavy basically
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so you have to use the back yes oh you have to use the stand you have to use the stand so if i were to use this kind
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of like a like a regular laptop like this it's there's no strength to this hinge
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at all yes just holding it you're almost so like because now you're putting it up a little higher and the way
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the kickstand on the back of the folio works is it's only as long as the actual tablet is when you bring it up
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you almost have to be using this at like 120 degrees you almost can't get it up at like 90 yeah because now the the tab or the kickstand isn't tall
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enough and it's messing it up yeah and it falls over exactly um so i you know it's kind of cool
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yeah the laptop setup is like a nice option it's got decks built in there's a quick keyboard shortcut switches it
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index mode it looks great but yeah biggest problem with this that i think a tablet needs to solve and kind of the ipad magic did it was it the
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magic folio or whatever what do they call it with the keyboard like floated and it was supposed to feel more you
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can't put this on your lap when this is on your lap it can't stand up because it needs a hard surface
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behind it for the kickstand to support yeah so because of this which is how i use my laptop so often
00:25:56
is i can't just use it right in my lap which is a pain and i don't know how you use your laptop in your lap a lot
00:26:02
it feels like a laptop yeah i'm i guess it depends on the size of the machine uh
00:26:08
i hardly use my laptop in my actual lap anymore i usually just carry it between tables and put it on a table i think there's times where i'll take it and i'd like to like be watching tv and doing
00:26:20
something quick on my laptop or or something like that and then i'd like to sit on my couch and lean back rather
00:26:26
than like or like put it on the couch next to you yeah yeah i don't think this would do great on a couch next to you
00:26:32
either it'd be real floppy yeah yeah that's the downside but i guess we should talk about the notch i'll just
00:26:37
i'll just bring up the notch real quick i think this notch is the easiest non-issue
00:26:43
of any notch it's a tiny notch smaller than the iphone's notch on a huge screen yeah 15-inch screen and
00:26:51
it's holding two cameras right now the standard 4k webcam and an ultra wide 4k webcam i really like these these are
00:26:58
really good quality webcams the ultrawide has this follow feature that works okay it's not very responsive but
00:27:04
it works so i like that it has an ultra wide webcam they're both too big to fit in these super thin bezels so it's got a
00:27:10
little tiny notch i think it doesn't matter at all totally fine i'm curious what you think of looking at it my biggest issue and it wouldn't be
00:27:16
solved by putting the notch on the top in portrait mode was just like at one point in one orientation when you're
00:27:22
holding this it's wrong so like i kind of think back to the uh what was it the was it the second me mix ultra that had the cutout camera in the bottom corner oh yeah like i almost
00:27:36
wonder what this would look like if there's just a little black space in this corner to have an extra camera or the two cameras and then
00:27:43
when you're holding it in portrait it's just like in a corner based on portrait and landscape i guess the only thing
00:27:48
about a corner webcam is that no matter what orientation you're in the webcam is off center and you're not really looking
00:27:54
at it so like if you're on a video call and it's like this this is this is the best place for a camera for
00:28:00
it to be up here yeah but if i put it over to the side like on the ipad you're constantly looking over to the side of
00:28:06
the webcam and it never really looks like you're looking at the camera that's like kind of annoying and i guess that's why i want the ipads to shift to this
00:28:12
spot a corner would just always be off so i think i think that they did i i mean that's like very very nitpicky i don't think it's that bad one thing that
00:28:24
i find really interesting with samsung as a tablet and just samsung phones in general
00:28:30
and it makes more sense to me on a tablet is their dex features like getting closer to this where like this
00:28:36
does feel pretty close to a laptop in all of this and like how chromebooks are so much
00:28:43
more i don't know oh you're trying to try to turn decks on okay um like chromebooks are becoming so much popular
00:28:49
because we're realizing as people so many average users are just using for websites and emails and stuff on youtube and whatever like this probably is more powerful than a
00:29:01
chromebook and if you can just dock it into a station this feels it's android but a chromebook is chrome os so like both of them are kind of losing so powerful you mean uh software
00:29:13
wise i mean software for what you're doing yeah like both of these a chromebook and this can handle
00:29:19
web browsing youtube yeah emails absolutely no problem yeah uh yeah that's a good point i mean the the base
00:29:26
i don't know i'm thinking like you know similar price range if you've got a thousand dollar chromebook you you'd have more you'd have one thousand
00:29:31
dollars chromebook is ridiculous but you're still doing the same stuff it's just a web browser right so you know i'm using this tablet and it to
00:29:38
me still feels like a big tablet so like the instagram experience isn't great the
00:29:44
soundcloud app isn't really good like the columns and gmail are pretty decent but like my to-do list app doesn't take
00:29:50
advantage of the space like it's not great okay but it's fine you get your windowed apps index mode which is cool
00:29:56
but yeah i guess it does have a similar level of productivity to a chromebook plus any extras that happen to work well with android on a tablet yeah like if you're a journalist or you know writer
00:30:10
or something like that and then this is really easy for you to lug around and take down some quick notes or draw some
00:30:15
stuff up like in an uber ride and then when you go home and you're ready to really bang out an article and you need to uh like use
00:30:22
your normal keyboard because typing a whole article on this keyboard would probably be pretty brutal then you can
00:30:28
plug in your mouse and keyboard and have a monitor that maybe is a little more oriented for a correct posture something
00:30:34
like that a little more ergonomically correct and that seems kind of neat yeah i'm not an artist but i can you can scribble i can scribble for i can scribble for days i'm also just like
00:30:46
not a tablet person oh yeah so it's like hard for me to really see who like who's fully taking control of this but the more and more i look at tablets the more and more i'm realizing
00:30:58
they're at this part where there are people who don't do as many things on the computer and that probably could
00:31:03
super benefit from this and someone who travels like this would be awesome that's the one time i consistently see
00:31:09
myself being like i wish i had a tablet is watching movies like on the plane yeah that's a that's a good question of
00:31:15
like i don't know if i should maybe we just maybe we can put some of this in the review but
00:31:22
what is the ideal workflow and like set of devices to have because i think there's a lot of people who have a really good computer and a decent phone and that's all they
00:31:34
need a tablet in the middle wouldn't make sense there's also a group of people who has a really good phone
00:31:40
and like an okay computer because the phone can do so much and it's got a big screen and it can do all kinds of tablet
00:31:45
stuff that you don't really need a tablet there and so there's a bunch of people who have like a phone they don't like as
00:31:51
much or a tablet or a computer they don't like as much but if they got a tablet that they really liked it could
00:31:56
do kind of both in a way you can have the app experience you can do the email social media watching videos but also
00:32:02
you could put a keyboard on it and start answering emails in like a long form type of way and like really do some serious productivity stuff
00:32:09
but i don't think anybody needs a good phone a good tablet and a good computer so there's always like a balancing which
00:32:17
one do you want i would say if this is your main thing a computer is probably not something you're taking everywhere with you and the person then that i
00:32:24
would say that happens is someone who travels a lot and is still taking phone calls so no matter how good their phone
00:32:30
is yes you can multitask on phone but no one likes to really do that much work on
00:32:35
their triple window action on the galaxy note and i don't like hearing people like tapping on the phone when they're like
00:32:41
obviously doing stuff so like this then to me seems like that kind of person i don't know if that's like a traitor or
00:32:47
something like that who's traveling a lot or like again a journalist who might have
00:32:52
to take notes in a rough place and is also calling people pretty often for interviews or something like that yeah
00:32:59
uh if if you are somebody that this feels like would be your main if you're in the target demographic yeah i want to know i kind of want to know the target demographic like we've we've heard
00:33:10
people respond to us on why people do like the s pen and phones and there's been some really interesting that
00:33:16
totally makes sense yeah i would like to know how somebody would incorporate this into their everyday workflow or just everyday uh yeah and
00:33:24
not mobile gaming yes i totally understand that mobile gaming on tablets is far more fun than on a phone um
00:33:30
but i find it hard to buy a thousand dollar yeah for like every single day yeah you do mobile yeah fair yeah no i'm
00:33:37
curious about that but yeah full review full reviews in the works obviously i've been using it for a little bit i don't have a full
00:33:43
sense of battery life yet but it seems pretty good i want to put in a heavy day today and tomorrow and see what happens but
00:33:48
seems pretty good oh man putting the pen on blind is not easy but i got it um that's the tab s8 ultra also people always people have been asking on twitter about it it's like i
00:34:01
didn't realize every time this comes up i always get a bunch of people asking about the new galaxy tab and
00:34:07
what i think of it and how good it is last time we covered a tab was in a video that had a sponsored bit
00:34:14
and people were mad that we didn't talk more about the sponsored bit so like it was kind of here and there
00:34:19
but like no matter what samsung's products seem to get a lot of a lot of hype and i think a lot of it is
00:34:26
how close they are comparatively to apple and and forming a similar ecosystem and i think people want choice and this is i mean like even without using this so
00:34:38
much it seems like one of the obvious competitors against the ipad and people want that competition yeah it's that and
00:34:44
it's the willingness to do things up it won't do you won't see the micro sd card slot in the ipad you won't see
00:34:50
you know android obviously yeah you won't see an oled as of right now so yeah keep your eyes appealed for that
00:34:57
video before we stop talking about this i kind of want to and these won't count towards the scores or maybe you can't count those scores with an asterisk let's do the alphabet typing test
00:35:09
on this on this yeah oh my god on the screen okay so i gotta use it yeah do the screen let's make this tough i just
00:35:16
think this sounds fun this is going to be bad um this does not have anything to do with how good or bad this is okay it
00:35:21
is but i'm just not a question do you want to try the split keyboard which is probably the right way to do it but really well i'll give you this but you can hear i'll pull it up i guess are you
00:35:33
gonna hold it or are you gonna type with it like on the ground i'd be faster putting it on the table
00:35:39
and poking you do one i'll do the other which one are you doing i'll do full keyboard you can just split
00:35:45
the keyboard yeah damn it here you go okay good luck i'm i'm going to go with i'm going to pronounce it can i screen record this i can screen record yeah yeah if i get sub
00:35:58
10 within three tries i'll be really proud of myself i was just predicting that you would get over 10. i
00:36:05
was going to say over 10. so if you get under 10 with a split keyboard oh my god and i have to hold this yeah
00:36:12
this is yeah you know what this seemed big and now like it's looking at it feels like i'm about to like go bungee jumping he's like yeah that looks so cool on youtube and then you like look over the edge and you're like i don't
00:36:24
think i want to do this anymore okay [Music] oh i don't see the number hold on i need to make sure i put the keyboard down without losing it yeah seven point six
00:36:45
seven point six did you see how much my head yeah you were looking back and forth between the right hand
00:36:51
for the audio listeners this tablet is so big and with split keyboard to type the alphabet i literally had to turn my
00:36:57
head like left to right constantly okay now i feel like i need there's a pressure for me to eat that that's first
00:37:03
try too wow and the the suspense is really there because you uh can't see the time because the keyboard comes up over it on the website standard standard keyboard here we go
00:37:14
ready wait wait i want to record this i want to get the the lack of asmr and i'm
00:37:20
not going to tap it [Music] you messed up like three times i did i was that was pretty bad 10.2 i
00:37:37
messed up at what letter like two or three it took two seconds to find the s button well it's cause you missed it and
00:37:43
i had to come back i kept going and then came back should i do one more yeah do one more okay
00:37:52
[Music] that's much better six point nine one i was telling you that's pretty close to each other that's
00:38:03
impressive man well done well done on the split keyboard all right let's take a quick break we'll come back and we'll talk about youtube okay
00:38:11
all right welcome back um i have confusingly enough a tweet about a linkedin post but it kind of made a little wave on twitter especially in our
00:38:22
group of creators and i just wanted to talk about it because i think it's really interesting and i wanted to see
00:38:28
your opinion on it sure um so colin sameer tweeted a post from someone named ezra cooperstein i believe so the post by ezra says the youtube subscriber has long been the currency of the platform
00:38:39
it will be gone in the next two years or at least deprioritized the algorithm is better at knowing your interests and
00:38:44
knowing what you want to watch and consequently a sub will mean less and less this is already the case on tick tock it's time to think less about this
00:38:51
number and more about metrics that do matter um and then colin and samir just said like
00:38:56
if this happened we'd be bummed getting to a million subscribers is something they've been actively shooting for for a
00:39:01
long time right um i have a few thoughts on it but i'd like to to hear what you have to say about it
00:39:10
so the youtube subscriber count yes is a what they call a vanity metric yeah which is basically that it doesn't
00:39:21
really mean that much anymore although it is a nice like looking thing to have on your front door so i think that will always be true i think
00:39:33
there'll always be a bun like when you arrive at a youtube channel and you see that it has a bunch of videos
00:39:38
kind of the first thing you look at is well how popular is it how many views are the videos getting how many
00:39:44
subscribers does the channel have it gives it a sense of legitimacy to varying degrees it's not like i see three million and think oh that's not as
00:39:50
good as five million but generally if it has a lot i think it's pretty legit if it doesn't then it's not or maybe it's
00:39:55
fake or whatever so that's that's what like the vanity metric thing is to me but i've also you
00:40:01
know he he brings up tick-tock which is which is a really interesting example youtube subscribers are very different
00:40:08
from tick tock followers i think they're worth vastly different amounts as far as the way they kick start you into the
00:40:15
algorithmic boost at least this is the way i view it right so i started a tick tock from xero
00:40:21
and one of the first things i posted when i had you know probably a five digit number of
00:40:26
followers had like a million views and so it was very clear that those people were not coming from
00:40:33
my audience that were coming from the algorithmic boost it just got sucked up into you know people wanting to see this type
00:40:39
of thing that doesn't happen nearly as dramatically on youtube if you want to see a video get to a million views you need it to have some sort of an initial kick
00:40:51
to get it into that that algorithmic feed to get it to people and that comes from subscribers that comes from the initial audience of when you first serve up the video all those
00:41:03
people serve as data points for youtube to know ah turns out people like this video yeah because youtube doesn't
00:41:09
really want to take the risk this is the difference between their algorithms you know youtube doesn't really want to
00:41:14
take the huge risk of going let's serve this 15 minute video to 5 million impressions and see how many
00:41:21
people click and watch it but if you served it to your subscribers and they click it voluntarily and they do like it
00:41:27
then youtube already knows oh i can serve this up so i think tick tock it's like that's a
00:41:32
really i said tiktak doesn't need that control group as much they've got an amazing algorithm and they can figure out what's
00:41:39
good about a video and what audience to serve it to you and they crush that but i think youtube specifically i agree
00:41:46
that subscribers are less important than they have been in the past but i don't think they will
00:41:53
ever be completely meaningless i think you bring a really interesting point in the fact that like both ultimately we know that
00:42:00
both of these platforms are trying to keep a user on the site as long as possible yep so in that
00:42:07
in trying to keep somebody on the platform tick tock while it's algorithm is insane
00:42:12
we've talked about it all the time but if it serves you a video you're not interested in it's taking away three seconds of your time because within a
00:42:18
couple seconds you know you don't like this and it's a quick swipe if youtube so many more of those videos are eight
00:42:24
minutes nine minutes ten plus minutes like you said 15 minutes if it serves you that
00:42:30
and you don't like it it's not just a swipe away then you're going to make some like choices around based on that
00:42:35
you're going to go search something else and you have way more of a chance of getting served a 15 minute video and being like uh i think i'm done with
00:42:41
youtube for today and closing the browser where tick-tock you get served a bad video you just swipe not even if on
00:42:48
tick tock you swipe backwards to leave thinking you're going to close the app it brings another one in and it has a
00:42:53
chance to snag you that's really true so the mechanism for selecting a new piece of content is different yeah and this is
00:42:59
just disregarding youtube shorts right now this is just like a standard youtube video if i don't like a tick tock
00:43:04
basically i swipe it's no effort it's two seconds and it's already on to trying to give me the next best piece of content on all of tiktak to possibly give to me on youtube i log on to youtube and
00:43:17
there's a bunch of videos to pick from and there's some titles and some thumbnails and it's a selection process
00:43:22
and maybe i click one and i get a little bored and i'm like never mind it's not that good the amount
00:43:28
of effort required is a little bit higher to search through titles and thumbnails again yeah maybe related
00:43:33
videos maybe other videos in your subscriber box to find one you want to spend time on
00:43:39
and that subtle difference is enough to mean the experience shifts between these
00:43:44
two platforms yeah tick tock it's so easy it's so easy so yeah you know i i don't think colin sameer should stop towards trying to get to their million subscribers not at all mainly because
00:43:56
number one you know i talked about vanity metrics before it's like when um when they when
00:44:02
they go to do an ad for uh jelly smack or something like that the number one thing that those
00:44:09
companies seem to look at is how many subscribers are we going to reach this is kind of what i wanted to talk about
00:44:15
in here because while i don't disagree with this person subscriber count is going to be popular for more than two
00:44:21
years because i still don't fully think ad agencies have figured out social media marketing quite yet slow and
00:44:28
subscriber count is such a big thing for them to like decide whether they want to do it
00:44:34
whether it's the right thing no right but it is a thing that they are still actively actively looking at it's
00:44:41
always the first thing i saw a lot more of this in earlier earlier days of youtube but there's no doubt a bunch of advertisers that are still doing this
00:44:47
where they look towards all right i want to do a tech ad so i want to work with a couple tech creators and we want to just
00:44:53
reach you know a lot of them their goal is just to reach as many people as possible just generally in tech and the
00:44:58
first thing they do is go to the tech channels with the largest subscriber number yep and that's the only thing
00:45:05
they look at now that's it might work it's fine if you get to work with those certain select group of
00:45:11
creators but the more nuanced approach is to work with those with the most engaged audiences there's a bunch more metrics you want to look at and obviously this makes much more sense now in 2022 and there's a much more advanced
00:45:22
study of the creator economy but the point is um the subscriber number isn't meaningless anymore but it's
00:45:29
it's a little bit less than the whole picture yeah so if you're going to look at like i want to i want to run
00:45:34
samsung i want to run an ad for this this phone on as many of these tech channels as possible
00:45:39
i want to talk work with creators on something like this i would want to find the ones who at this very moment are speaking to their audience is the best
00:45:46
and that might be a channel with 300 000 subscribers that gets 300 000 views on every video and not the one with a
00:45:53
million subscribers that gets 100 000 views on every video so i guess the point is yeah it's
00:45:59
it's less important than it has been in the past but it's just one of a constellation of data points to consider
00:46:05
yeah and if you are still a marketing agency who sees subscribers like that still is always while the algorithm is
00:46:12
so great and while somebody watching mkbhd might not look in their sub box and still get served mkbhd videos
00:46:19
that sub box is like a second chance for them to not miss that video so like that is double the chance now that this at
00:46:26
ultimately add get seen because that's what you're paying for so you want to hit the bigger subscribers um i actually
00:46:32
think google team pixel does a really really good job at looking outside the box in terms of content creators because
00:46:39
they do exactly what you said they'll find a smaller creator that's got 5 000 even 10 000 subscribers um and
00:46:48
but they'll see that that person is getting 100 comments or like 8 000 views out of their 10 000 subscribers and that's awesome that's like that's a really really loyal
00:46:59
community base and a lot of times when you're you're an advertiser that's who you want to hit so it is really
00:47:04
important um but those people because they're not getting the big views and from the the subscriber
00:47:11
kickoff like you're saying are very rarely getting into the algorithm of reaching the outside right world of that
00:47:17
yeah exactly also another thing i noticed this is sort of on a tangent with shorts and tiktok we started the
00:47:23
shorts channel yeah and i've just been fascinated looking at the graphs of what these shorts are doing
00:47:30
and basically what i found is we had a couple shorts on the channel to start then we gave it a big shout out so
00:47:35
this is before it had many subscribers at all probably had less than 15 000 subscribers and
00:47:41
those shorts all of them i think there's six of them now all of them have a graph that looks
00:47:47
like flat for about four days yeah and then it slowly starts to increase where it's basically not hitting the short shelf and getting recommended for
00:47:57
96 hours and then it does and then it starts going up so typically when you have um a lot of subscribers on a channel that graph looks like a spike at the
00:48:08
beginning and then it flattens out so basically the the best combination for a short would be a lot of subscribers and then hitting the short shelf quickly where you get an initial spike from
00:48:20
subscribers to quickly get it into people's feeds and then the short shelf takes it off
00:48:25
so yeah it's a combo it's it's the one-two punch of like having an initial audience who likes what you make and is
00:48:32
willing to take that risk and hey an investment of 45 seconds of my time i'll check this one out real quick and then
00:48:38
that data proving to youtube that it's worth it it wanting to serve it to more people to get more people satisfied than
00:48:44
spending more time on youtube and serving it up in the short shelf and then it blowing up the channel has 160
00:48:50
000 subscribers all of the shorts have at least half a million views so they're coming from people who are not
00:48:55
subscribed to the channel that's the that's the interesting thing there so yeah that's what taking care of i'm good at i guess the last thing kind of also
00:49:02
is like a subscriber is kind of any time you enter a like let's say like pinterest or
00:49:09
um maybe like a background like wallpaper app or just like a lot of social media when you're first joining
00:49:15
it doesn't have any information on you so a lot of times you'll get that prompt that's like what are you interested in tech hiking cars
00:49:22
so a subscriber subscribing to channels kind of helps youtube get your personalized uh algorithm kind
00:49:30
of figured out a little easier and i'm sure they're always going to be interested in that now that doesn't mean
00:49:35
the number of it's that important but youtube's not going to get rid of subscribers or anything like that because it's helping them so much be
00:49:42
able to serve you that information yeah i you know what i that just reminded me of something when i
00:49:48
you remember google plus vaguely google plus was another long ago attempt at a google social network and uh i was one of the earliest people to start using google plus i gave it a
00:49:59
shout out on my channel i talked about it a little bit and i eventually ended up in the
00:50:06
suggestions for who to follow when you first sign up for google plus it was like me
00:50:12
guy kawasaki like some ceos like it was a small list and i was in there and so i had a couple million followers on google plus which was great you were
00:50:25
like the beyonce of google plus i was one of the top 10 most followed people on all of google plus
00:50:30
but my engagement ratio was very low because most of those people who just signed up and didn't really use google plus were just following me and never engaged with anything
00:50:41
so if you were looking to do a brand deal on google plus and you stumbled across the top 10 most followed accounts
00:50:47
you'd be making a horrible mistake yeah because that would not be a very good use of your money unless you
00:50:52
specifically wanted those people's audiences so if you wanted tech you should go to the people with the most engaged tech audiences but yeah i think
00:50:59
i i'm pretty sure i had like five or six million followers on google plus which was not a big social network and not a
00:51:05
lot of people use it i wish they sent you a plaque because that would be a piece of history that would have been really funny but yeah you know it died
00:51:11
as quickly as it came up but i i do remember being in the suggested list that's kind of awesome and so if you if
00:51:17
you think youtube's going to go that way you know where they suggest automatically channels to follow i think what they do now
00:51:23
is they suggest topics to follow and if you follow a topic then there's a bunch of creators
00:51:30
and so you can subscribe to that so whenever you open the beauty topic there's videos from 12 beauty creators i
00:51:36
remember when pewdiepie had like more subscribers than like the music topic on youtube yeah right so yeah yeah so this
00:51:44
linkedin post i wish i had more context of exactly where it was if he's specifically talking to marketing agencies then i
00:51:50
like completely agree with this there are like so many other metrics you need to look at and see what kind of
00:51:55
engagement please are getting but in terms of just like the average person or even the content creator on here like
00:52:02
subscribers are still super important and while you know showing the numbers at everything is kind of like a bragging
00:52:09
point or like vanity number yeah it's still pretty important yeah i think the the hottest take in this is that it will be gone in the next two years yeah that i disagree with like youtube's gotten
00:52:20
rid of a lot of things that we thought were important like the dislike button counter i get it but
00:52:26
every social media site needs a way to follow and show how many have done so yeah and it does it on tick tock and it still is a fairly important yeah tick tock shows followers exactly so i don't think
00:52:39
that's going anywhere yeah okay i think that's about it thanks thanks for uh thanks for this servicing this info and
00:52:46
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00:52:51
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00:52:58
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