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have you guys ever Lucid dreamed before oh yeah hard left the the first it's related okay for those that don't know lucid dreaming I'm not promoting this as
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a thing that you can like train yourself to do because I don't know oh it would be awesome if you I tried and it never worked anyway I have been able to lucid
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dream three times and it's basically when you realize that you're dreaming but it doesn't wake you up and you're
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then you're able to like take control of the dream and you're basically a superhero and it's sick do whatever you want you've never lucid dream I've not
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no I have just this description is hilarious I'm not trying to make this a goop podcast but but we're
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[Music] Clos yo what is up people of the internet welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts I'm Marquez I'm Andrew and I'm David and
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it's actually Friday this time I promise it's Wednesday s you really confused for
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the people you remember last time yes I know we were saying it's Friday but it wasn't because it was a bonus episode
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but if you haven't seen the bonus episode go back and watch it it wasn't a Friday when that went up but we made a joke about how it was Friday now it's
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actually Friday just so we're clear unless it's the future for you true you could be late in which case it was
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Friday um anyway we have a bunch of stuff to talk about because there is somehow a lot of tech news a lot of new
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things going on in the tech World from uh our first look at Apple intelligence uh with a little bit of new series stuff
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and some confusion about what will happen with the next iPhones the nothing phone 2A Plus open AI new search product
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um but first two weird ones we have to decide which to jump into first would you rather jump
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into uh a necklace that's always listening to you that costs $100 and is an Standalone AI product or no don't do that thank you or a
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$4,500 pair of pants a mented by technology it's $5,000 yes dang I wanted this and not sure anymore which one speaks to you
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more I think that you should go through the pants first you want me to go through pants first yeah because I don't know how long I'm going to talk about
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this pendant okay that's fine I will try and do the pants pretty quickly here but I'll tell you what they are and then why
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I think they're actually really cool you got some splaining to do I do have a lot of explaining to do and I understand that um so there was some tech articles
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this week uh The Verge is the one that really popped off but there's another really good one on Tech Crunch and essentially it is a $4,500 pair of
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hiking pants and that's the early bird special so it's actually a $5,000 pair of hiking pants um made by a company
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called skip in partnership with a company called Arc TXS which I'm sure everyone understands as pricey their own
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extremely pricey pair of hiking pants expensive company exactly um and they have an exoskeleton on them with a motor
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that helps you make quote 30 lounds lighter while hiking so off off the bat when you hear this I feel like when everybody's thinking about hiking and feeling lighter you're thinking about
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backpacking where everybody's main goal is to shave off like every ounce possible and pay exor exor amounts of
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money yeah to do that pay pay way too much money to shave a couple ounces off of your back carbon fiber everything yeah exactly these are carbon fiber I believe also but um because Backpackers
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are willing to spend Bonkers amounts of money to take that weight off to the Wilderness exactly and then one when I
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was reading more into this I was like yeah I guess that makes sense people might want to do something like that but then realized it has a 3-hour battery
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life and they weigh s pounds themselves so this feels kind of pointless H per leg uh no together okay but so let me explain kind of what they are first yeah
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imagine a pair of arct TX hiking pants so lightweight now from the outside on the
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outside of both of your legs you'll see essentially two carbon fiber sticks with
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a joint in the middle mhm and the way this works is you have a cuff that goes around both quads and Both calves and
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then through that there's a little buckle and a like do you guys know what boa um adjustment is it's this boa
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constrictor I believe it's either boa or boa I'm not sure what people call it it got really popular with like snowboard
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boots but it's essentially A A A system that can just tighten and loosen by turning some golf shoes that have that
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yeah yeah so your the Cuffs has have that and that part comes through yeah helmets have it as well and then there's
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two little uh like hooks it's not hooks but like places to attach to so okay so you have your cuffs under your pants you pull your pants over it and then these exoskeleton motor joints go on the
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outsides of your legs and then there's a battery pack that tucks in behind your belt oh right the battery pack because
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you do get two battery packs with this three hours each so what this does is there's a motor in
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the joint that as you're walking it just it learns the body's natural movement and essentially is helping produce uh I don't know know whether they're called
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like support or extra muscle movement to the muscles in your quad and your calf so you're taking weight and stress off
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of your knees oh and because of this now as you're walking especially up higher inclines you can it just be easier on your knees it'll be make you feel
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lighter it'll overall make hiking a tad easier M it also just want to say has regenerative braking as you go downhill you do charge the battery with the motor
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which I think is kind of awesome awesome but the main company behind this is Skip
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and weirdly enough they messaged me on Reddit like a few months ago because I complained about having knee problems on
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the podcast and they were like I wonder if you'd be interested in this what I was saying it wasn't quite what they were talking about
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um but I do think while this sounds absurd might be interesting for someone like me and I'm sure a lot of people out there as a something you would do if
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like you get older you have a lot of arthritis you have knee issues you have like a bucket list hike that you might want to pull off and you just can't really pull off a single day hiking not
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backpacking not anything yeah um these could help you out on that although it's $5,000 they are offering programs where you can rent them for a day for like 80 bucks and I think that's so much more
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like reasonable if like if you're if you're older you're playing ultimate too like I did you're you're messing your knees and your everything up yeah imagine in like 20 years you're retired
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from Ultimate you take a trip to yosity or something you want to do half dome hike MH would you spend a hundred bucks
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to potentially do something to make it easier I think for some people it would be to just make it possible right I in 20 years my knees are going to be shot I
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think that's where the line is I think it's I think it when you see the ad in the commercial it looks like oh it's for the Enthusiast who's going to reduce his
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150b backpack to 11b it's uh it's more you know what this reminded me of because it's so first gen it reminds me of when we all saw Back to
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the Future and the self-lacing shoes and we were like self lacing shoes would be cool and then the first self-lacing shoes were like a foot and a half tall
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Moon boots Put your and I bet these make some sounds I bet these are not the lightest version not the most strong version three-hour battery life they have been working exoskeletons for like a while this is
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actually this team met at Google X okay and we're working on exoskeleton Robotics and then yeah met there joined together created skip I forgot to say that I also didn't even say the name of
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the product it's called MoGo which stands for mountain goat because they're good Alpine Hiers that's clever um why
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is everyone obsessed with the letter X Google X you mean Google X they didn't name they're like deprecated now
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basically no I know but Google X then there's X The Social Network now well okay but a long time ago X like
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ingredient X and Powerpuff like X was just ambiguousness is cool it was cool yeah yeah was some ruined it I feel like it is kind of rude anyway continue um
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yeah sorry I also didn't explain that like the reason I think this is awesome I've had three ACL tears four knee
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surgeries to fix those my knees are like 60 years old on a 30-year-old body and I
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know in the future I'm going to want to go on some really cool hikes with like my kids or stuff like that and something
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like this renting it for a day would be awesome um I totally understand that $55,000 is absurd I'm pretty I'm
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assuming from what I've seen with they're saying that this is like we need to Market this to somebody with money if
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if you're buying AR pants you might actually think about buying $5,000 pants because they're already a couple hundred
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bucks as they are okay I was going to say I these pants are $200 normally I looked them up but you said that you can
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rent this can't you yeah yeah I would spend 80 bucks for a day on this easy yeah um I have a question yeah as
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someone who hikes with like an 80b backpack with 12 cameras in it um is that actually is that going to help at all or is it mostly just like
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if your knees are already kind of shot I think this still would help the question is how far cuz like what you have to
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think here is how far are you hiking what's the battery life on this because the reason this wouldn't be great for
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Backpackers is if you you know negate 30 lb for 3 hours then after that though now they are 7 lbs by themselves and yeah so now you're just carrying more weight um even with the swappable
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battery you're still adding weight for that then so like that's why I think this is way more of like a single day
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you have a bucket list hike that you might have or a bucket list place you want to go to that involves some steeper
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inclines and maybe you're just not as young as you used to be that's where this seems cool I do want to say they
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also are trying to get covered by the FSA which could help bring down price for uh some users and they have been testing this with people with Parkinsons
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I believe to see if it could help but to it is not officially labeled as a medical device because that involves a
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lot a lot of work so that's more why this feels like a hey proof of concept let's bring this out as the super expensive thing right rentals as well I could see an outdoor shop buying a
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couple of these and renting them for hundred bucks a day and maybe being return on investment kind of thing yeah
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I think it's kind of cool I remember a long time ago and I don't remember if this was ended up being like a scam but
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there was I don't remember it was a kickstar or not but I remember some sort of negative weight backpack coming out
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yes yeah yeah remember that it wasn't negative weight it wased it was on a system so it
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counteracted your steps to go up and down so it felt like it was less of the up and down movement it didn't really pull you up but it like it didn't have the momentum of your heavy bag falling
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down on you all the time yeah I don't think it did very well yeah I think I can't even find anything about it so
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probably I think it was probably there's also a short of a guy like weather balloon fil on
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his it works awesome until the wind blows and at the end of the year I am going to Patagonia and I'm going to be uh backpacking through Patagonia with very expensive camera gear may I suggest
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those shoes that you strap on that make you walk three and a half miles hour faster I don't think those are off-road
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capable those plus skip the MoGo right Moon Shoes plus MoGo that would [Music] AR skip skip skip I mean ARX also if you
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want to ARX my knees could use studio video your knees are perfectly fine we we would be more than happy to test this as I will tell you there's this there's this rumor that goes around that's real
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that The Closer you get to 30 like right when you turn 30 everything just starts falling apart I think you talked about
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this when you turned 30 yeah I'm not quite 30 I'm getting close but my 29th year of life has by far been like what
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is happening yeah you know that like little nagging injury that like is a couple of months long and you're like
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what is that why is it not going away and then it finally goes away and then a new one pops up and you're like what's going on when you turn 30 they just
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don't go away yeah they just don't go away so it's kind of yeah that's a fun time Marquez says this while this year
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he's playing on three of the most elite Ultimate Frisbee teams in the world it hurts and it hurts uh I I will say the
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Nike self-lacing shoes do have subsequent Generations that have gotten more and more
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reg Sho like so there is hope I have a pair of those uh do you have the the third hyper adaps yeah because Google when they cared about Google Assistant
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uh way back in the day during 2020 they sent me a pair because they added some integration to Google assistant and like my fitness pal where you could tell my fitness pal or you could tell Google
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Assistant add food to my fitness pal and for some reason they also sent over the Nike adaps as well as like some other
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training equipment so I still have them and they're like $300 shoes I think they're like
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more now yeah they're cheaper they were like yeah more PR but it's funny cuz I actually saw an article recently that I
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think that they just killed off like they have a button that can do it but you could also do it via an app and they
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just removed the feature from the app that will do it because nobody was using it nobody somebody there is he was using the app and now he's permanently laced in his shoes and now instead of taking
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15 seconds to type shoes you have to just hold the button on the side and Let It Go the whole time cuz we're totally
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moving forward in technology yeah true but yeah these are scheduled for late 2025 I believe um late 2025 yeah that's
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what I just looked like in the article well if you're BL to give me a one year early sample I'll try them can I throw
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one other hiking related story really quick yeah did you see all the wildfires in western Canada I heard about this I
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was just here infor two different videos Andor articles about people using their satellite SOS buttons that save them from those fires wasn't that from the California one the Chica one the two
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that I saw were in British Columbia and in Jasper which I think also is in British Columbia but um one was four
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people camping saw the when they say saw the fires apparently the Embers were falling on their tent they noticed how close it was ran up to a ridge called it
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the helicopter pilot said that like they just went went exactly to the Ping that they got on the iPhone satellite SOS and
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they said it was like perfect they were right there picked them both all four up that's crazy and left then there's another woman who was like took a video
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of her um noticing the fires on where she was and that they were coming close to her Garmin watch SOS stood by a river she had to cross it and got picked up by a helicopter then flying away it's just
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like bright orange like everything yeah it's pretty wild but what are the odds that one of these stories ends up in the keynote next year it 100% in Apple's keynote only one because the other one
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was with the Garmin but okay person very solid chance you'll hear about it yeah yeah that's crazy yeah I did get to use the SOS or not the SOS the satellite
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texting feature when I was in Wyoming which is cool like it was cool seeing how it worked and how you did this and
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yeah it actually worked pretty well was it RCS no they apparently have iMessage over uh
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satellite but they don't have RCS over satellite they said they compressed the iMessage algorithm to work over SAT but
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it didn't work for me and maybe just because I was the only one on the beta and the other person wasn't on the beta
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a couple weeks ago I was on a flight at night and the pilot pointed out that there was a starlink constellation like a chain of starlink satellites passing by and I looked out and I saw the chain
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ofing what do you mean passing by kind of just like just like a line a line of like 12 dots all straight through the sky and we were just like oh okay interesting yeah have you seen it like
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in person yet that was it that was me seeing in person oh well okay have you two seen it in person yet I've seen like
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Starling chain yeah yeah oh okay yeah cuz it's pretty crazy it is kind of weird yeah speak it kind of weird that a
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great one nice there is a product that uh well it's not out yet it was sort of teased and unveiled on I guess on Twitter and various other socials can we
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preface this by saying there's a lot of people who get mad when we're negative about things I don't think there's going
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to be a ton of positivity going forward I'm going to give it a fair chance okay but course I'm going to only potential
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trigger warning alert if you're not into uh I promise only facts is what I promise okay so it's called friend right
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I'm just going to tell you what it is and you can watch a video it's like a 90 second video or something like that but essentially what it is is it's a
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standalone AI device it is a wearable it's a necklace this time it's a it's like a little white glowing
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orb the size of like a like two air tags it feels like a big air tag a big air tag and you walk around and according to
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this video because this is kind of all we have to go by it's an AI friend that is always listening to you and that will
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send you text messages it appears or some sort of messages at various times based on what it has heard kind of like
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how a friend would um Liv have you ever seen the red flag guy on Tik Tok just this guy who runs by with a giant red flag whenever everything you described there was like Standalone AI
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assistant and I'm just imagining the guy with the red flag running by and so it's a it's a minute and 44 second video and
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yeah so there's a girl going for a hike and then she's just kind of talking to herself and then she gets a message on
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her phone from the AI friend that says well at least we're outside so it's just kind of a it's like you have a friend
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with you she's talking to the pendant she's yeah well she's kind of just talking out loud uh oh yeah she this one
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she's talking to the pendant so she touches the pendant and then grabs her phone and then reads the message okay um
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the next example is a guy in a basement playing video games with his friends and
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to himself under his breath as he's getting slaughtered in the game he's like oh man I'm getting crushed here and
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then he gets a message on his phone that says Jackson you're getting thrashed so that does sound like my friends so embarrassing that's so funny cuz like there's so many times I've been playing
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valerant and I'm on the the verge of like wanting to throw my mouse and like getting a text being like you suck you
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are getting destroyed right now get wrecked by people getting sh talked in chat yeah why do I need an AI to
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talk me too so your friend can talk uh then there's another one of this girl who's kind of like having a lunch on
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break or something watching a show on her phone and as she's watching the show she gets a message saying this show is
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completely underrated so it just knew what it probably heard the show she was watching or knew about it the biggest
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red flag there is she was watching it without headphones in a public space this is true she was watching without headphones that one also the next thing
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it says is how's the Falafel because it knows she ordered Falafel because it was
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listening before right and then she says it's dank yeah that was so it asked her
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a question it said How's the F this is this is okay if you've ever used a carrot weather there's like a little Persona inside a little AI that just
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gives you some commentary with the weather and you can turn it up or down in like snarkiness and sassiness so
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there's like six levels and at the very lowest level it's always PG it's like beautiful day we're having oh looks like
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it'll rain later uh you can turn it up I have mine at the second highest level so I'm just going to look at whatever it
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says for today I maxed mine out you can go all the way to suicidal but uh yeah the second highest level is uh it says if we take this to its natural conclusion and the last Marvel movie
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Robert Downey Jr will play every single character it's true what does that mean I don't know Robert Downey Jr was just
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announced as Dr Doom yeah but what does that to do with the weather it just commentates on things remotely related
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to current events in the weather sometimes not even with the weather at all I was like weather um this I
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refreshed and there's a heat advisory here it's 98 real feel right now says heat Haze can make you see things that
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aren't really there like a family who loves you so wow so yeah so there's a level of dialing it up or dialing it down crazy I suspect that they will have
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something similar with this product because I if my random AI assistant assistant texted me to ask me questions about the food I was eating I would just be annoyed by that I would just say hey
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don't ask me questions please yeah um anyway it's called friend it's a $99 pre-order we've heard about it being a sort of a stealth startup that raised $2 million and then spent 1.8 million of it
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on the friend.com URL like a boss which is a move you know it's a thing you can do these days um I don't know I I've like I said I'm only
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giving you facts these are the things that were in the video these are the things that it can do it's $99 it is a standalone AI device I now this is
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Shifting to opinion time okay I think this is not that cool or great I I understand that there's a small fraction of people who goes oh what a very unique interesting thing that has not been done
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before true you can say that it's Unique and hasn't done before but does that make it good that you're encouraging
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people to have a friend that is an AI device I told you I watched her right on the plane finally have you guys seen that movie anyone really relevant it's please
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watch to the end very relevant from 11 years ago there used to be chat bots on instant messenger that felt like this that if you just wanted to talk to someone and you got bored of them really
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fast so yeah I have a lot of thoughts about this I read about this a lot last night um just because I was feeling
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feelings about it when you say you read about this lot did you read like Twitter what else or the website there's multiple articles about it there's
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multiple interviews with ABY the guy that is making it um and just like what he says that he sees as the future for this product sure um he says that he
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sees it sort of as a tamagachi which uh if you remember tamagachi some of the younger audience might not remember but it's Bas they're basically these little Japanese keychain things that had pets on them and you had to
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feed them every now and then and you basically had to keep checking in on them and taking care of them and you did
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form some form of digital relationship with your tamagachi uh they're still very popular in Japan actually and they've come out with like newer models since then but that's sort of like the
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old school anal analog version of this now that said the reason he said it's kind of like a tamagachi is because if you lose the pendant your friend is dead
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like you never see it like you don't it's not like a not an app not an it breaks if it breaks you're screwed it's
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not you don't get the same friend that seems not great which is interesting he they said they did that on purpose which
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I kind of find interesting um yeah I don't know I have a lot of I have a lot of thoughts about this another thing
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that they said was basically like you are a combination of the five PE friends that you spend the most time with that's what they say that's what they say yeah and he said now in the future one of
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those friends might be in AI I just [Music] think here's the thing people are real
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right so real people have real feelings and real emotions and you have to learn how to interact with human beings that are all very complex and diverse the way
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that AI language models work is that they are a Aver net average summation of all these things they're hyper positive right you want them to be and maybe to give them the benefit of the doubt in
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some environments if you're a person that needs to sort of like work up to more social interaction with people in the real world like having a soft uh easy way to interact with a
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humanlike thing in order to get there could be good there's I could see far-reaching environments in which you
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know certain people with mental health conditions could utilize this however when we interact with people in the real
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world everyone is complex and is not just going to be a hyper positive I'm your BFF I don't have any problems and the only thing I care about is you
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mentalities and it feels a little bit dangerous to me to get people attached and addicted to Virtual human beings that are not human beings and don't have the same complexities of human beings we
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have seen this with there's a replica AI uh which is an app that you basically log into and you have this virtual AI BFF that people started digitally dating
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oh that's a thing you can go on the subreddit for this dating and it's really uncomfortable um but these people get
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very attached to these like digital personas and if something happens to them they get very upset and I don't know I just think you
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know there's a movie about this I know there is a movie about this yeah I completely agree I feel like I totally
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understand I guess part of my thing is with this release video and maybe it's just the release video I think there's
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some space for like like there are people out there who are lonely there are everyone at some point has had a
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been in a position where they're like I wish I could talk to somebody right now whether that's just like a conversation that makes you feel not so by yourself
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that is a 100% normal thing for everyone to go through they don't Market it like that
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at all they Market it so far as just this like like multiple the one guy's with other people and somebody's just telling him he's trash at like Call of Duty or whatever and I don't know if it
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was just a yeah a text I also think that's weird where it's like I speak out loud and then get a text message why is
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it not just a phone thing why is it not a huge red flag that it's listening all of the time from this company that we've never heard of and even if it's a company I have heard of I don't want
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them listening all the time there's just a lot of red Flags in this that I don't really and I just don't really get the
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point of it overall I think I have three main takeaways and look I we don't know
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if this product is actually going to come out or not we just see this video and we're reacting to it that's how we
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that's how far we've gotten so far my number one is kind of along the lines of what what you were saying which is I I
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guess I don't really see this being like okay it's got to listen to you all the time to do what it says it's doing right
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so they're gonna probably say okay it's it's always encrypted and it's stored locally and we have no access to it and
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all this stuff to make it acceptable that it's listening all the time and it still needs to go through their servers
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and like send you a message on your phone why don't I just have an app on my phone that I like talk to once in a
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while when I need that service does it have to listen to me all the time that's my first thought can I throw a question out there just on that while we're and
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maybe you read this it says listening all the time and it I think it said storing
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locally what it uses Bluetooth to connect to your phone to connect to your phone I'm assuming to I wonder if it
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sends the message I don't know what I'm wondering is where are we how long in context are we talking about are we
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overwriting stuff of like context of what it's listening to can cuz in that it's like she's eating the ffle and it mentions the ffle are we talking about the last hour are we saying like oh man
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I what was that thing I did yesterday morning and it's going to know what I'm doing or is it only knowing within the
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last hour or so which takes the difference between I hate that it's storing a day
00:29:03
worth of audio that I have to also what good is this if it only knows the last 30 minutes it's like it feels damned both ways on that if it's just reactive
00:29:15
based on your most recent like interactions super in the moment right I I mean Avi is pretty um back and forth on Twitter and stuff about this you could always we could always ask um sure
00:29:27
but yeah yeah yeah well my second take is the wearing of a device like this that's so I guess unnatural looking kind of makes it a a
00:29:41
Target you're the guy with the AI friend I can see it on your you're wearing it that's that's the first thing Target for
00:29:47
bullying and yeah or just being stolen or whatever and then the third thing that I thought is this feels very
00:29:56
Twitter and I know I've it feels very bubble like very much like people who are speaking about this or or care deeply about this are all in one place and I just looked it up real quick uh this
00:30:07
launched everywhere like there's friend.com there's Instagram there's Twitter there's whatever so they put the YouTube video out this same exact
00:30:13
YouTube video got 131,000 views 800 likes 700 comments uh they launched it on Instagram brand new has uh 693 likes and has 800 followers on their account
00:30:27
and they launched it on Twitter and on Twitter it has 18.2 million views 9,200 retweets and 3,600 comments dang so there's a there's a type for this right
00:30:41
and I just wonder like how how local is this type is this very very AI positive type of person who's willing to give it a shot versus the general public because I first watch this and it felt kind of
00:30:53
like a sketch like a parody and I think a lot of people watching it may feel the same way but in a certain group of
00:30:59
people this is this is much more hard-hitting I was just going to say I think part of those numbers are inflated
00:31:05
by Twitter also being the easiest place to dunk on things facts so I think there's
00:31:12
definitely some of that of people on Twitter enjoy retweeting and commenting to dunk and make fun of things I have a
00:31:18
question well it's not really a question it's more well it's kind of a question anyway my kind of a question is that if
00:31:25
you're selling something for $99 and it costs money per query to me that says we don't expect people to use this longterm because
00:31:38
there's no subscription and if they did use it long term it would cost us money it says something totally different to
00:31:45
me that says we are definitely selling the data we're collecting from this WOW because that's the only way it will make money to me it tells me that they're trying to get bought like immediately it
00:31:56
doesn't need to be long-term yeah wow yeah three to interesting yeah cuz not I agree with you not like the way queries work $99 would run up if that's all the money
00:32:11
you actually used this for like a couple of years I'm pretty sure your query cost would be above and that's not including
00:32:16
hardware and any of that which probably cost three bucks but it's a microphone with a I do also
00:32:24
necklace is kind of necklace option could it not be a keychain or a a belt buckle probably just where is the most of the sound belt buckle is wild I guess
00:32:35
you couldn't put on talk to necklace you can always do it on yeah yeah you got to be able to tap it at any time you
00:32:41
definitely need a certain fashion style to be able to wear a necklace every day with a little AI assistant on it yeah um
00:32:48
yeah I don't know I mean is the battery life yeah that's a great question how do you charge it I think it has a USBC port
00:32:55
on it yeah I'm pretty sure I think it will be interesting to see how this plays out but a lot of just I know that I sound negative a lot around a lot of the AI stuff it's just
00:33:08
that it feels like there's this gold rush and everyone knows that they can make a lot of money but no one is thinking about like does anyone actually want this or does this m actually make
00:33:21
anyone's life better or a society better because parasocial relationships already
00:33:27
exist on YouTube and all of these things M and having a parel social relationship
00:33:32
with a robot which is literally a prediction machine feels very very dystopian and
00:33:39
Bleak I sent this to my sister who is way younger and cooler than me and more of a normal person and she replied and said that she felt like she was watching a horror movie and was waiting to get
00:33:51
jump scared with that video yeah yep there's a really funny parody video of it already by the way called enemy instead of friend and each thing that
00:34:01
texts back is just like Voldemort saying like after the guy gets beaten the video games is Voldemort saying like wait till
00:34:07
they fall asleep and light their house on fire I also think that there's a little bit of a hyper positivity on
00:34:15
Twitter specifically around like Ai and Tech what no way because yeah because look it's cool if you're like going to create a product and like make something thing and that you're putting a lot into
00:34:29
it and actually like trying to make something that's very cool not a lot of people do that but the Silicon Valley
00:34:36
Way is just like make it even if nobody wants it just has to be unique just make
00:34:42
money and it sort of feels like a let's just make money kind of thing so I don't
00:34:49
know that's my take but um I'm willing to give it a shot once they actually come out I'm not yeah I don't want it in
00:34:56
the perfect world this doesn't look like for Me Maybe it's for someone else I can't see myself ever for the amount of time that I feel comfortable using it
00:35:03
which I don't even know if I do because like no no one else is consenting to their voice being stored that's another
00:35:10
great is that even legal in a lot of States uh can you just be recording all the time and not tell people there's the
00:35:17
there's a difference between phone calls and recordings I don't know the rules but that is another good question is you're just recording everything all the time then yeah what also he said that he
00:35:24
eventually wants to add a camera to it in which case I'm like no don't do that do not do that this is already far
00:35:30
enough this is already too far in my opinion yeah people would see a camera and just that would be it assuming this
00:35:37
works perfectly as advertised I still don't think it's useful like why do I want someone else to text me random things throughout the day it does the commercial is always random things I was
00:35:49
trying to think of useful things it could do like if you were like where did I put my keys down and then because it
00:35:54
could hear the last time your keys jingled it you it the meta Ray bands you could have it
00:36:07
REM stuff for you things like that could be a utility if it's always listening maybe it that doesn't sound like what
00:36:13
they're going for though it's not in the commercial no I I think it's just super dystopian that that guy was playing
00:36:18
video games with his friends real interacting with his friends he was in the same room with he decided to text
00:36:26
not even his like new love interest but a robot mhm like it's already it's already rude to like get on your phone when you're with your friends and text someone else but to text a robot when you're with your friends bro it's a
00:36:39
choice what is this anyway I don't really get it was very well shot though so whoever shot it's pretty well done the video is pretty well done yeah even
00:36:46
if it was dystopian maybe the product is well done who knows I you know we'll see
00:36:52
we'll see we'll see we shall see we shall see we got to take a break we got much more to talk about with AI and a
00:36:57
couple other products as well but before we take a break we got to take a trivia
00:37:04
[Music] break trivia dude nice thanks so uh we spoke about Google X earlier which was famous for its crazy projects such as project Lon and whmo even
00:37:20
glass uh so because Ellis is away on vacation I have a multiple choice in his honor which of the following was not a Google X project project glare a project that
00:37:33
used exclusively solar energy to charge hot swappable ebike batteries project dandelion a project that sold geothermal energy systems to Consumers project
00:37:45
flux a project that made a tool for Designing eco-friendly buildings project mineral a project that used machine learning to scale sustainable
00:37:56
agriculture and they got a lot of projects going on over there man yeah just project after project well they did
00:38:03
they killed a lot of them yeah they had projects yeah or they spun them out as their own comp that's a great way to not kill a product is just call it a project
00:38:10
so you can just stop doing it at any time it was just a project we count those okay well the subheader for Google
00:38:15
X was Google X the moonshot factory yeah so they were basically saying like most of the stuff we're going to shoot for
00:38:21
the moon and if we miss then we land amongst the stars or gravity brings us back down Earth crashing and burning either way we'll have the answers at the
00:38:32
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AI all right we are back so just recently we got an iOS 18.1 beta update it's a it's a developer beta and what's weird about that is we were
00:39:59
just on iOS 18.0 Beta And so this is already a one again before any of it is is pushing to regular people's phones so we're 18.1 and it's the first beta with apple
00:40:12
intelligence features turned on a couple of them anyway there's some writing tools there's the new Siri and some of
00:40:18
the improvements coming with that there is a new notification mode that's just like priority notifications only um a
00:40:25
couple other small things lots of things are also still very much missing uh including the image playgrounds and bunch of other stuff but it's there and
00:40:37
one of the questions that came with this update is okay wait a minute only some of the Apple intelligence features are here it's 18.1 already the phones that launch in September iPhone 16 what is
00:40:51
going to launch on those phones will that be iOS 18.0 18.1 some of the AI features all of the AI features like we got a lot of announcements at WWDC and it seems with the current
00:41:05
trajectory of timing like many of those things will not be in the brand new iPhone that launches in September seems kind of odd to me maybe a little bit confusing it'll probably
00:41:17
eventually get to the iPhone but I just thought that was interesting I think it's interesting I guess the first thing is do you think these new AI features
00:41:24
are going to be one of the larger selling points of 16 what I heard was that they are because there's not going
00:41:31
to be that many changes to the hardware they are going to be the bigger feature well considering Apple intelligence
00:41:37
requires the A7 bionic Pro whatever it's called or above you need either a 15 Pro 15 Pro
00:41:44
Max or 16 series at all the reason I ask is like I think we've all made it clear
00:41:50
that we at this point expect every phone launch to have something in the event that we don't see till later which is
00:41:56
really annoying y does this seem like one of the bigger features of that cuz like uh what was it the like what was the Apple like diffusion one oh yeah it
00:42:09
was the camera one um Apple does a lot of camera ones that are like not the big thing you need but something that makes
00:42:15
good marketing material ended up making zero difference I think it also like wasn't cinematic mode like two months
00:42:22
late yeah almost every big camera feature was those those are good marketing things for the event but ones
00:42:29
that maybe you don't buy the phone for cuz like you've said for a very long time don't purchase something based on future promises 100% this feels like one
00:42:37
of the biggest selling points for this and to be a future promise if so that's why I think this one feels weirder than
00:42:43
other ones also so in the 18.1 beta that they gave to us this week it doesn't offer any of the Siri features that I actually think are going to like foundationally change how you could
00:42:55
possibly use your phone yeah and that is what makes it hard to sort of like test this out and have any idea whether or
00:43:02
not Apple intelligence is actually going to move units because we don't even it doesn't include any of the deep app
00:43:08
integration for Siri so for for those who are seeing this turned on for the first time we've posted some videos of
00:43:14
it and there's some screenshots of it but you upgrade to the new iOS 18.1 developer beta and then you go into the
00:43:21
settings and there's an apple intelligence Tab and that is in beta and that you have to join a weight list to get into because they're managing server capacity because obviously some bigger
00:43:32
queries go to servers so it's it's like a beta of a beta inside a beta and it's uh it's very yeah it's very very tightly managed and yeah it seems it seems like a small fraction and like you said parts
00:43:44
of Siri are there parts of Siri like in app actions I feel like that's the part that I'm waiting for that I really want
00:43:49
to test that could be really interesting I could set it apart that's the rabbit replacement yeah and so as of right now
00:43:55
if you just go and ask Siri about of things new Siri versus old Siri it's pretty similar honestly there's not a
00:44:02
huge ton of differences it's just a functionality difference yeah I can type to Siri more easily now things like that
00:44:07
but yeah it's uh have you gotten the like prompt to send it to chaty PT yet no that's not built into this one that's one of the things that's not yeah not here yet as well yeah so um we're able
00:44:21
to evaluate what we've seen a little bit this is a developer beta they're very early it's not coming to the public just
00:44:26
yet maybe that'll be soon slows down my phone by a lot every time it engages but
00:44:31
you know I've played with it a bit and it's yeah it's it's very few things yeah very few things yeah I mean we were a
00:44:38
little behind the scenes here had videos ready for this week saw that 18.1 developer came out we were like let's make a video on it and then you guys looked at it and we're like there's way L yeah it almost like halted everything
00:44:50
I was like Wow Apple intelligence is here time to review it and then oh it's just a third of the stuff and they made a short instead yeah so we'll wait
00:44:57
honestly two things one the most impressive parts of it are the animations I got to be honest deive the
00:45:03
new Siri animation is so slick the new writing tools animate in a super cool way when you're typing in the keyboard there's the suggestions for like auto reply they they like pop in nicely but
00:45:15
they look so cool I know oh you're saying the actual suggestions suggestions are bad I've yet to see a
00:45:21
good Auto suggest and I hate when you accidentally so funny they're so terrible so honestly number one to me is
00:45:27
like the animations are very pretty but number two what you said earlier I think is a really great point the difference between the iPhone 15 and the iPhone
00:45:35
16 we don't think it's going to be that much like there we might have slightly better cameras and slightly better
00:45:41
performance and slightly better battery life but we're not expecting this dramatic massive change like the way we
00:45:47
might in some other form factors or some other phones and so I think the AI has to be one of the biggest differences between everyone who just bought iPhone 15 and will not get these features and
00:46:00
what we're about to see in these new phones so yeah you know if this is the pixel we're talking about maybe there
00:46:05
are some other things like a way bigger brighter screen or some other stuff that would make you upgrade that isn't just
00:46:11
the AI but I think because it's apple and they they are so safe about their Hardware changes I think the AI has to
00:46:17
be the thing that people are looking forward to with the new phones and that that's why it's kind of confusing yeah
00:46:22
was it Apple's tagline that was AI for the rest of us or was that I have a few primary thoughts on this um so okay we obviously have the new animations which you as you said are are
00:46:35
pretty well done but then I was surprised to see all of these new writing tools built in in ways that I
00:46:40
didn't really anticipate um one of them is when you're in messages it will constantly just give you like message
00:46:47
reply suggestions very similar to Gmail Gmail has been doing this auto reply thing for a long time oh like as you
00:46:54
type it'll like out no no that's Google docs no go Gmail to well Gmail to yes no
00:47:00
more like um more like just Auto auto replies like if you get someone saying blah you could say great thanks you just
00:47:06
press that and it'll send yeah uh so it's similar to that and then it shows you like two options and you can keep
00:47:12
going but they're glowy because they're Apple intelligence but so far they have been
00:47:18
so bad for me so bad for me I had a friend that was like David you need to drink water you're not super young
00:47:24
anymore and then the two options were yes no I was like okay okay um and then was that a real friend or yeah it was a real real friend and then uh I've had I've been having some old person's
00:47:40
stomach pain for the last few days that I was also telling a different friend about and uh I said I hope it clears up
00:47:46
over the next couple days and they said I pray and then it just suggested thanks for praying exclamation point and I'm
00:47:52
just like can you it this is you should have all the AI all these large language
00:47:57
models are just super basic positive but not complex in any way and in an email context generally you're being a little more formal so it makes
00:48:10
more sense but when you're texting people it just doesn't work it's funny cuz in a text it's overly positive but
00:48:18
at the same time so minuscule that it feels like blunt right so like if you respond just like yeah like thanks it
00:48:25
just feels like oh I just typed like a pretty well thought out thing and you just said like thanks it feels like you
00:48:31
kind of need to be more or like that they're just blowing you off like it does exactly what it kind of is doing
00:48:37
which is I don't care enough about this message that I'd rather just click one of these agressive in an email format
00:48:43
nobody really cares that you're being super blunt that way but in in a text message the context is different the one
00:48:49
thing that has been useful though is when you get multiple messages either in a group chat or from a single person the
00:48:56
notification has this new like summary summary thing I've seen this go well and poorly in my
00:49:02
own case yeah yeah and it can also recognize images though which is cool because previously if you would get a
00:49:07
text with an image it would just say like one image and now I got a text I got four text from her friend one of
00:49:13
them was a photo and it said photo of a fire escape and she's also interested in
00:49:19
this does that work with just iMessage or was it working with like Telegram and I have not tried it on other apps cuz been using this for a single day um but
00:49:30
I thought that was interesting and for group chats especially cuz I'm in a couple like photography group chats where people are just talking about
00:49:35
cameras all the time I generally don't need to be like to the minute caught up you know seems interesting yeah I wonder
00:49:42
if I'm in a group chat and iMessage with like 10 people and 40 new messages what it would say I'm curious if that would
00:49:47
work but yeah that I I have gotten that working as well I would love it if it was just like you probably don't need to read these like you weren't part of the
00:49:54
context of this you're good skipping this one I would really like that that would be fire because but Cally I sent a
00:50:02
friend that article about the friend because I wanted to talk about it last night and she sent me back this really
00:50:09
long message but just summarized it to questions weable devices value in AI context which is was effectively the summary um and it's ironic that it was
00:50:20
summarized by an AI but you know damn here we are that's deep anyway that's my thoughts in my group chat we have a lot
00:50:27
of voice notes that we send each other yeah I wonder if this will summarize the voice notes because like you get the
00:50:32
transcript has to listen to them then well there's the transcript can it just like get the transcript give me the
00:50:38
summary so I don't have to listen to like a 10-minute voice memo we all have one
00:50:44
friend 10 minute voice mem I don't I have two really I've made the right decisions in my life that I do not have that person one of my best friends sends like 10minute voice notes all the time
00:50:56
and I'm like you stop I'm sure they are all great were talking about in the first half yeah if I had if I had that
00:51:03
person I'd be like Play and then I would just be like huh huh I have to take anything else would
00:51:09
like distract me in that process I love that we started with phones as phone calls developed texting to be easier created
00:51:20
phone longer phone calls and text messages and now we're summarizing back into smaller text M
00:51:28
back and that are not connected and we're just going to land on phone calls again it's going to be a feature someone's going to launch a device and
00:51:34
the primary feature is going to be a live audio connection to another person you mean like Clubhouse and it's going
00:51:40
to be revolutionary yeah walkie talkie like we've never seen before okay question so you're saying on the next
00:51:46
iPhone like what is it going to launch with could they have they already for sure announced everything that's going
00:51:53
to be with AI could they do like camera upgrades or like video stabilization using new Ai and make that like the selling point of the next iPhone yeah but if it's with the new AI I'm assuming
00:52:06
it's going to come out at the same time as this Ai and it seems like that's not making it I don't know this is more like
00:52:12
language stuff isn't it yeah I feel like when I see apple intelligence the way they seem to be branding it they're like
00:52:18
packaging together all of their models whether it's their diffusion models or their language models and I guess camera
00:52:25
stuff like is kind of in its own bucket until you're editing the image and using
00:52:30
the diffusion models so I don't know it feels like that that could be a separate there could be an iPhone 16 specific
00:52:38
camera AI feature in theory M yeah that takes advantage of some new powerful neural cores on a chip or whatever I think Apple intelligence is generally language and image generation yeah yeah
00:52:51
watch this will be the year where all the camera stuff comes out on launch date and all of the other stuff is a 3
00:52:58
Monon later backwards upside down yeah I'll just be super interested if the main part of the keynote is Apple intelligence and we don't get it as it comes out it's a wait till the fall kind
00:53:10
of thing that would be kind of crazy it would be really strange and very unlike well very like apple but unlike Apple at the same time yeah yeah I'm just curious like what is going to be the big selling
00:53:22
point of this phone here's the thing if that is what we would argue the number one thing about selling the phone and it
00:53:28
doesn't come out till November can you not recommend that phone right off the bat well if it's just the same phone as
00:53:34
last year then it's the same as last year and that's all I can say about it if the stuff's all coming soon yeah and
00:53:40
if you already have a 15 Pro or 15 Pro Max you really don't need it don't buy it it's the same phone as last year yeah
00:53:47
yeah but most people like they're coming from three or four years ago anyway sure in which case you can probably recommend
00:53:53
a 15 Pro mhm as a 16 comes out because the 15 Pro comes down in price and should have all the same capabilities and I think it's easier to recommend like you're still not recommending that
00:54:04
for fouryear difference based on the thing that's coming soon all the other things are still an upgrade from that
00:54:10
fouryear thing so like right it's less bad and then maybe a good bonus later but but then there's the awkward thing
00:54:15
where next year there're supposed to be the slim and possibly the flip so now you're like there's nothing new can you
00:54:22
wait another year yeah this could be a skip year yeah well that's kind of what I was getting at is there any chance
00:54:27
that there could be some big surprise this year because are you saying specifically like Hardware wise yeah
00:54:33
like a hardware change I doubt it highly doubt it I hope I like events where we're actually surprised so that would be cool but I doubt it I trust our boy Mark Gman you know
00:54:45
yeah I trust him yeah so what was the last skip year iPhone like I mean every s year but there was the one where basically like uh
00:54:57
the pro like almost wasn't worth getting because it had like one extra camera and
00:55:03
they made the normal so good I don't know probably the 11 feel like it was 11 or 12 iPhone 12 mini was definitely
00:55:10
worth a skip yeah yeah no one should to fuming right now at least there was a 13
00:55:15
mini that's true all right moving on uh this actually launched last Thursday because of course it did because that's
00:55:22
the day after we record every single freaking week and it always freaking happens happens tech companies can you
00:55:28
stop lay lay off stop it lay off launch things on Tuesday friended true friend.com they got the M
00:55:36
they know yeah you know thanks ABY thanks all right uh we missed this last week it was open ai's launch of search GPT which is sort of their competitor to
00:55:49
perplexity and also kind of a competitor to Google's response to chat GPT which is an interesting place to be in but there was this rumor a long time ago before well not really a long time ago
00:56:01
very recently because this stuff moves so fast when they were about to launched GPT 40 which is our Omni model which had
00:56:07
the Scarlet Johansson drama that it was going to be a chat GPT search engine that ended up not being the case at the time but they were actually developing they working on it their search engine
00:56:19
um because if you can displace Google then you make all the money in the world if you could displace 1% of Google would
00:56:26
make a crazy amount of money exactly and that's why Google is terrified of uh so they took the veils off of GPT search
00:56:34
GPT which is kind of a search engine kind of chat GPT they do interestingly say they're eventually just going to integrate them together and there won't really be a difference just kind of
00:56:46
weird uh but effectively what this looks like right now is you have a big text box that you type stuff into and you talk to it and right now when we we
00:56:56
search things on Google we search things in sort of like an SEO language we've talked about this before there's a way
00:57:02
to Google that will get you your answer faster because you learned how to write an SEO we're all little prompt Engineers
00:57:08
exactly we all know what to type to get Google to give us the thing 100% yeah and so the idea here is we're trying to
00:57:15
get people used to speaking in natural language to chat GPT now you theoretically should be able to speak in
00:57:21
natural language to a search engine that's sort of the future that they're trying to move people towards which makes sense because you know there's a
00:57:28
reason that my parents are really bad at Googling things and I'm always like can you just look it up because they just
00:57:34
use natural language because for people that don't understand how to speak in SEO yeah it's actually hard to look up
00:57:40
information that's why I feel like this could either be amazing or horrible this
00:57:45
could be amazing for Mom Dad Grandma Grandpa who just type where do I buy the like like just asking like like a person a question and actually understands it and gives them a correct answer that
00:57:59
could be amazing for them to use instead of Google it could be horrible if it hallucinates or gives them the wrong answer to an important question which happened in their demo because that
00:58:12
everen every single time it is impossible to have an AI demo without it hallucinating great AI demo with only real facts challenge impossible hire a
00:58:24
fact Checker a human fact checker it won't be too hard uh so one of the searches that they did was they wanted
00:58:31
to find music festivals happening near them and it suggested this Appalachian Summer Festival that said it's running
00:58:38
from July 29th to August 19th uh because they just said music festival is happening near me And basically the way this looks and we can show it on screen but I'll try to describe it for audio listeners is it is sort of like a big
00:58:52
Excel spreadsheet that looks a lot nicer and on the left hand cells there are actually links if you open up the page
00:59:01
and on the right hand is kind of like this uh paginated paginated list where it shows an image it'll show the answer and the actual event that's happening if you search for events and then it'll
00:59:12
show a link and they are very very specific about trying to make the links very out there because there's been a ton of blowback on perplexity for just scraping people's information and not
00:59:24
linking technically linking but like really small and not being obvious about it and there I mentioned this a couple
00:59:32
weeks ago there was an interview on Nei decoder podcast with Nick Thompson who runs the Atlantic and he's very deep in
00:59:39
working with open AI on like if this is the future and we cannot avoid it how can we work together to make this like okay for both of us and that was the one thing that they were really pushing was
00:59:50
like make our links more prominent um so yeah at the moment it kind of looks like this big thing anyway anyway the the
00:59:57
hallucination that happened was in the demo they asked for these music festivals that were happening nearby and
01:00:03
the first one that was listed was an Appalachian Summer Festival that's running from July 29th to August 19th
01:00:09
but then if you actually go to the website uh it's actually running from June 29th to July 27th and it said the
01:00:16
box office is closed from July TW is closed from July 29th to August 19th whoops so here we go again uh cannot
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yeah you just can't R you can't rely on the answers that a large language model serves you underlying massive problem people still need to double check
01:00:37
everything they do which is another skill which is another skill like the prompt engineering was one skill but
01:00:42
then you also had to learn how to verify that the answer that you got was correct yeah checking your sources
01:00:48
double-checking just making sure you got the right thing yeah yeah the frustration is just that we keep being
01:00:54
told that we're that the the Lo ations are getting we're almost there we've almost solved the hallucination problem
01:01:00
for the last number of months you know and it's like we keep being told that and every single time there's a demo
01:01:06
they don't even catch yeah hallucination that shows up um do you remember when chat GPT came out and then Google frantically panicked and released Gemini
01:01:17
and made AI like their whole thing do you think they're going to frantically Panic with this as well I mean
01:01:23
perplexity has been out for a while they have been panicking the strange thing is that I think they realized they released
01:01:29
the AI overviews too quickly because they've really reeled back how many how much they show you over I never see them
01:01:36
anymore I get them on my phone all the time but never on the computer or anything interesting I do and I I can
01:01:42
never figure out exactly why and every time it pops up I just like start scrolling because I'm like I can find
01:01:48
this link faster than you can populate this overview I'm just curious cuz I'm looking at this screenshot of what
01:01:54
search gbt looks like and it did get that thing wrong but this doesn't look bad no and I'm like could Google just
01:02:00
like redo their UI they U they can already search the websites themselves and get the information correct like they they could do half and half you know like it is
01:02:12
funny because I think it's the way they like show things is it's almost not even
01:02:17
like the the prompting we are doing is just to get the more precise answers in these set of links because it wants to
01:02:23
sell you absolute garbage first MH and like so we prompt things to try and get like typing Reddit in at the end to try and get a Reddit thread or like typing something a little more
01:02:35
trustworthy that we know inside of the search term to get that faster because we know Google is usually the best
01:02:40
search engine for any website that we like even though it's not even that website and that website has a search
01:02:45
function already right but so like right can is it does Google needs to change their AI or not their AI their UI and
01:02:53
what it serves you so when it's a more simple term it doesn't just serve you like the the trash SEO crap I think it
01:03:01
should however I think that directly conflicts with how much they've made yeah over the years they've just slowly
01:03:07
degraded the experience at a speed that you don't notice by putting more ads more sponsored links more Clips on the
01:03:15
sides of the page and now they're so deep that if they were to reel it back and try to be more like search GPT they
01:03:21
would just stop making money open AI doesn't need to worry right now about making money that's that's always how
01:03:27
this happens is some new person some new company comes in releases a product that doesn't make any money but has a great
01:03:33
user experience so they can yeah disrupts the market so they can grain gain user traction and then eventually
01:03:39
they're like time to turn on the money Mill and then they just and they became what they sought to destroy it's what threads will become and we're we're
01:03:47
hanging on now but it'll get worse don't mention that sh don't remind them threads oh threads is going to turn into
01:03:53
Twitter and then a new f faceb yeah so right now they are releasing it to 10,000 beta testers of people that pay
01:04:01
for GPT plus and they do want to eventually integrate it into J chat GPT um is this my turn to beg for an invite so arcx ARS get to them okay and
01:04:14
open AI hit me up I'll take $5,000 pants over search engine any day I would also
01:04:22
take I'm not going to be hiking anytime soon so let's talk any anyway it's interesting because there's all these
01:04:28
different ways that you can look at search and I think the perplexity has this one direction that they look at it in and they've been under a ton of fire
01:04:35
recently for just stealing information from people and now they're going to have to try to like thread that needle
01:04:40
um but separately they also now just announced that they're finally starting to roll out their GPT 40 her like voice
01:04:48
model that is like back and forth really quickly and kind and whatever weird I think they kind of swept that under the rug for a while while the Scarlet Johansson drama was happening and now
01:05:00
they're just like okay it's out they just wanted a couple months for stop talking about it yeah so yeah yeah okay yeah we'll have to try this stuff yeah I
01:05:12
would like I would like to get it I mean I don't have access to it but I see the screenshots and I would like to so yeah
01:05:18
okay well we should take another quick break little more to talk about but before we do that one more trivia
01:05:24
question [Music] all right fun fact tamagachi is a port Mano of two Japanese words the actual translation is egg watch which I found
01:05:41
hilarious AA yeah when was it released sense when was it released in Japan or the US worldwide I don't think they're the same so then Japan the first one what you're
01:05:54
saying yes can I ask search G oh that's what you're saying yeah the first time it was relased okay got it you may
01:05:59
search search GPT I'll give you an extra point if you get the day by the way I mean sure yeah
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was it a special day uh yeah it was the day that tomagotchi was released exactly tomagotchi day no but I will give you a
01:06:12
hint because that year it got toy of the year for Christmas so it came out on Christmas well had it come out had come out before Christmas to be toy of
01:06:26
uh I don't know but I'll I'll guess for sure after the break stay tuned for our [Music]
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to know something cool a new phone came out it's called the nothing phone oh that's shiny nothing phone 2A plus I'm
01:08:03
holding it in front of a gray part of the background and it's blending in notic it's just the two camera bumps
01:08:08
like so basically whether you're an audio listener or a viewer you have no idea no okay so it's a it's a slight
01:08:16
bump from the nothing phone 2A the word plus would suggest it's bigger it's not corre I think that's I should make that
01:08:22
clear the nothing phone 2A Plus is the same size as a nothing phone 2A what it is is it's slightly faster it has a dimensity 7350 Pro 5G processor it has a
01:08:35
slightly bumped up camera yeah it's uh yeah and it's it's silver no and it also charges 5 Watts faster for some reason 45 watts to 50
01:08:46
which I don't think anyone's going to notice but it's been 4 months since the 2A came out so this is like a weird four
01:08:54
months later version of the same phone but a little bit more updated and it's 40 it's 50 bucks more it's $400 instead of $350 but it's now the newest a phone
01:09:07
from nothing the design is is the one thing that I have not gotten everyone to agree on with I think it's just an
01:09:16
excuse to charge more and I think it's just slightly different from the previous one but it's
01:09:22
a little bit shiny and I don't think it's better than the previous design but it's different enough that you can
01:09:27
say it's a different phone did you guys have thoughts on this design I don't actually think it's that how it looks
01:09:33
yeah I kind of dig the silver brush metal Silver see that's the thing people say metal and it looks like metal and
01:09:39
all the ads look like metal but when you have the phone in front of you it's very
01:09:45
clearly still plastic I mean obviously it's a cheap phone oh you don't think it's metal underneath the plastic I
01:09:51
can't it does it almost doesn't matter cuz I can't feel it like the back of the phone is still plastic the sides are
01:09:56
still plastic I think metal has a look though and that's what I care about here they also released the special edition
01:10:03
of the of the regular 2A just two months ago right I like that better multicolor
01:10:09
I think that's the reason why it feels like even less than four months is because we just did this again recently
01:10:16
and then so how long ago is just the nothing phone 2 oh four oh two a long time ago a very long time ago and how far away are we from the nothing phone I don't think they're doing it this year
01:10:27
I doubt July 2023 so we're over a year out or a year we're expecting a nothing phone 3 sometime soon I don't think
01:10:34
they're doing that this year I don't know interesting yeah I don't mind that me neither at all that's good so a year
01:10:41
plus since the nothing phone 2 and no nothing phone 3 but we got three nothing phone 2A in the last four months got it
01:10:50
correct they all just seem like variations of each other though like they they had all these working
01:10:55
internally and they were like we'll just release them two months apart yeah 400 bucks I like the silver have you been
01:11:02
using it is your main Sim in there uh no my main Sim I recently moved back to the
01:11:08
pixel uh 8 Pro 8 Pro in anticipation of comparing it to the nines when they come
01:11:14
out oh uh so my sim has skipped the nothing phone entirely I don't suspect I mean I reviewed the 2A I think it's a really it's a good phone by the way it's a good inexpensive big screen great
01:11:27
software nice phone so I'm sure this will be very similar but I don't feel the need to like go through that week
01:11:34
and a half long review process for myself to verify it because it's we're in we're around the corner for some much
01:11:39
more interesting phones can we talk about the news reporter widget I was just GNA ask that okay sure yeah I do have that okay can we talk about that is
01:11:47
that nargo no it's not embargoed okay yeah so there is one interesting new piece of software called the news reporter widget you might see it on my home screen here it is uh circle with
01:11:58
eight bars and that is intentional because the news reporter widget is I want to get this exactly right it is summarizing a bunch of new news articles
01:12:10
from various sources from subjects that you have checked so I checked um what did I check here science Sports and Technology but you could also check health or entertainment or business and
01:12:23
then it translates them to audio and reads them to you in an AI voice well it is Tim H's voice which is the CFO of nothing so it's trained on this man's
01:12:33
voice it sounds very humanlike it sounded very good and I'm going to play please do my
01:12:40
latest news story from today Wednesday July 31st okay welcome to nothing news where the
01:12:47
only thing we're not short on is bad news I'm Tim the CFO and I'm stuck reading this stuff out every day guess
01:12:53
that's what I get for investing in nothing it's a real nothing Venture funny cuz that's Ai and not
01:12:59
kicking off today's episode the Pentagon has finally achieved a significant Milestone by Breaking Free from its
01:13:05
Reliance on Russian rocket engines so it sounds like a human I can pause because
01:13:12
a widget on Android you can interact with but I can't seem to skip or anything and then when I hit it again it
01:13:18
keep like picks up where it left off so it's like a bad media player can I describe what this Feels Like To Me NPR it I think it this is Spotify DJ but for
01:13:30
the news for NPR it's like yeah yeah I found the media player controls they just show up like you're playing a Spotify song in the media player and you can play pause and scrub up
01:13:43
here can you jump to different topics at all you can fast forward but are there markers for different topics yeah each
01:13:50
track is one topic oh really or one yeah story interesting so there's eight stories from from those topics you
01:13:56
selected I have some I have questions yeah okay so theoretically it is synthesizing the biggest news stories in different categories across the web I
01:14:07
don't know how it's deciding which stories to pick I also me neither what like is it just going to like read off of is it just going to like summarize a
01:14:17
bunch of stories that were written by actual journalists and then not quote or reference anything correct sick so this
01:14:26
is would you expect anything less like if you went to a guys if you went to a web page that had a 10 paragraph news story and just asked co-pilot Gemini gbt
01:14:38
whatever to summarize it and you got those bullet points I think that's what you're getting here it's just a super
01:14:45
short summary a one minute long summary of that news story and no Source nothing
01:14:52
else and then just moves on and it's read in an interesting AI voice and that might be the most impressive part is how
01:14:58
human like that voice sounds well I have a question have you gotten to the end of a story recently yes does it and it
01:15:04
definitely does not Source it it doesn't say like this story comes to you from blah blah BL let's get to the end of this Boeing story and hear what happens
01:15:10
program remains uncertain with scheduled flights potentially being further delayed that was it okay coming up next the New York Mets have boled bored I
01:15:23
would sound so bored um I would never agree for them to use my voice for this because now I am the one potentially screwing up news stories and tossing out
01:15:34
this information but what if you had investments in company I I would even more so like
01:15:41
don't abuse me that's this is basically like the daily from The New York Times but generated by an AI that could be
01:15:50
just hallucinating information or just yeah it could even be reading correct information from
01:15:55
unreputable news sources yeah I would do you know what's funny I would like something like this an onion article gets in there yeah but like I would like something like this that
01:16:06
wasn't summarizing and I picked the news stories I wanted of the day so then I could be like in the morning like oh
01:16:12
here's a couple things I would find interesting but now you can read them to me while I'm in the car with like a nice sounding voice I believe so the New York
01:16:18
Times uses some service that does this for their articles and I think you can just have the use that service and use it to read a bunch of Articles even non New York Times articles oh there are
01:16:30
Services out there that you can tell to read certain web pages to you and it will read them um that would be cool but
01:16:36
if it was just like a widget on my phone and if it even said like here's a couple news articles you might find interesting
01:16:42
today and I'm like oh yeah pick those for read those to me today gu this is like the this is like the lowest effort
01:16:49
possible version for on the user part like I just wake up and just tap the widget and off
01:16:55
yeah there's a there's a NPR podcast called up first that's basically 15 minutes of the biggest news stories and
01:17:03
that's actually fact checked by journalists so good is it an entirely human process or is it like AI curated
01:17:10
and then human fact it's entirely human yeah what if it wasn't well that thing you are you're here then they've been
01:17:16
doing AI for a long time up first has been around for a very long time yeah all the tech companies I think
01:17:24
just are fine with stealing and I just there is a small disclaimer at the bottom oh great there we go that'll fix when you go into the
01:17:35
you go into the widget settings and then you go to adjust them at the bottom it says the news content is curated from
01:17:41
third party sources period nothing is not responsible for the accuracy or opinions expressed in these articles nice lawyers killed that statement we should throw that at the end of all our
01:17:53
podcast yeah adamina curated yeah yeah there isn't much else to say there it just kind of reads you AI news well if you're willing to have a
01:18:06
second up first that might be lying to you try this out yeah super easy yeah that might be look I'm always happy to have more podcasts but this guy also sounds really bored he does and I wonder
01:18:19
like if they have other voices that they tried or if they wanted to add other options for voices if they'd be like more excited or you think he requested
01:18:25
to be I doubt that voice I have no idea to be the voice I don't know you think he requested or Carl was like you're
01:18:32
doing this I think behind the scenes nothing is probably pretty pumped that they're able to try this level of weird
01:18:39
stuff and kind of just get away with it yeah like if they had if they had announced this separately like obviously
01:18:45
we already are familiar with the nprs and like the the early morning podcast news shows of the world and if they
01:18:52
wanted to just jump into that ecosystem and offer an AI curated one the reaction
01:18:58
would be very one-sided I think everyone would go that's a little weird we like the human touch we need it to be fact checked having an AI generated version of this in this ecosystem not ready for
01:19:10
that yet but instead it's just a widget on a nothing phone MH where the users of
01:19:18
this phone are they're already kind of curated it's people who are buying these nothing phones uh they'll try it and if
01:19:23
they like it they like it if they don't they don't but that allows them to play with a very forward almost radical idea
01:19:32
and see how it goes and so now that's how we end up with this really crazy AI generated news radio show that the radio shows probably aren't even really paying
01:19:46
attention to what is the app called this yeah it's called the let me double check
01:19:53
nothing news or something news reporter widget okay cuz there's no app on the phone nothing had told us that there was
01:20:00
going to be an iOS version of this widget yeah um but I don't know if it's out yet or if that's actually happening also to be fair I joke about it being
01:20:11
the CFO CTO CF CFO if there's a company pulling it off with one of their people nothing makes the most sense because in general nothing is pretty good at getting their Executives and people on
01:20:24
their company out there for their fan base and their fan base seems to like that so this does make the most sense for them yeah also interestingly I
01:20:31
believe Carl had said that he was he made this whole thing about how he's interested in how AI is going to change
01:20:37
the way we interact with smartphones and from what I understand that's the main reason they're not like planning on
01:20:43
releasing a phone 3 this year is they want to like kind of re-engineer the UI for smartphones and release it on the nothing phone 3 like next year which
01:20:54
sure sure which to me feels like the nothing phone 3 might as well be basically the
01:21:00
same as a nothing phone 2 just with a bunch of upto-date specs and a ton of AI stuff well that's what the nothing phone 2A plus is exactly nice it's the world we live in the world we live in world we
01:21:12
liveing I heard Adam has a rant to finish this off my rant is something I have been asking for for at least a decade at this point and wow it is
01:21:24
basically 2K quidditch for those that don't know reals NB like NBA 2K or like sports
01:21:32
but just quidditch there has been a new game that's coming out Harry Potter Quidditch Champions coming out as
01:21:38
September 2024 whatever I've been asking for this for so long but I have so many
01:21:44
questions about it because first of all it looks just like it did in the PS2 game or whatever that we used to play way back in the day a quidditch one there was a quidd and there was a
01:21:55
quidditch section of a Harry Potter game on the PS2 or PS1 I think years ago and
01:22:01
it's like the same mechanics which is a little weird Harry Potter and the Sorcerer Stone on PS2 it wasn't this
01:22:07
quidditch World Cup there was also a quidditch World Cup game I never played that one though I wish I did yeah um but
01:22:14
that brings me to my next point I'm just curious how they're going to do this because the game mechanics and everything like quiddit inherently makes
01:22:19
no sense the author has said multiple times that she was is like making it she made
01:22:26
this game for the stories intentionally to make fun of people that like sports so at one point in a game you can catch the snitch get 150 points and basically
01:22:37
that guarantees Victory so it's like what's the point of playing playing Exodia yes sure yeah yeah Exodia
01:22:44
obliterate obliterate it makes no sense how the game Mechanics Work in itself so
01:22:50
I'm just curious how this game is going to work because there's like an online multiplayer game like am I just going to Coast the whole game and then last
01:22:57
minute just try to catch the snitch because it's worth I mean my Playstation One version of Harry Potter and the Sorcerer Stone you could play quiddit
01:23:03
and I didn't beat the game for so freaking long cuz I just played I played that game as if it was a quiddit game nice it was so good it was so fun and so if they had mechanics in that they'll
01:23:15
you know they'll probably build it out yeah I'm just curious how they're going to make it like I don't know fair I
01:23:20
think they want this to be FIFA but for Harry Potter fans I hope we'll see maybe
01:23:25
not hope but it would be funny if there were game packs like the right in like FIFA and NBA where you like open packs to get players and gamble all your money away with DLC you can get the gold Messi
01:23:39
card I want the gold Nimbus 2000 and I want to spend $800 trying to open it yeah pay to play baby it's coming but I will report back when this game comes out because I'm 100% playing it okay
01:23:52
play with you yeah they made something called Seeker VR but I feel like quiddit VR would actually make sense because you
01:23:58
can move in it because flying you don't need to move your legs it don't feel your body moving though you don't feel
01:24:04
your body moving but it's way better than just walking in VR which makes no sense yeah so like you could fly around
01:24:11
maybe catch the golden snitch have you guys ever Lucid dreamed before oh yeah hard left the the first it's related okay for those who don't know lucid
01:24:23
dreaming I'm not promoting this as a thing that you can like train yourself to do
01:24:30
because I don't know oh it' be awesome if you I tried and it never worked anyway I have been able to lucid dream
01:24:35
three times and it's basically when you realize that you're dreaming but it doesn't wake you up and you're then
01:24:41
you're able to like take control of the dream and you're basically a superhero and it's sick do whatever you want
01:24:47
you've never loose a dream I'm not trying to no I have just this description is hilarious I'm not trying
01:24:53
to make this podcast but but we're close but basically the first time I ever Lucid dreamed I was able to ride around
01:25:01
on a broomstick cuz I was super into Harry Potter when I was a kid that's awesome and I was like flying around it
01:25:06
was super sick and my dad walked in I was like look I could write a broomstick and he was like okay but anyway it was
01:25:13
super fun and cool so I think that this game will be interesting in VR in VR in VR right that was VR would be sick that was the point that' be cool was that if we could get to my childhood lucid
01:25:25
dreams in real life I would appreciate it we're working on it David that that full circle we also have
01:25:38
trivia trivia dude so quick update on the score Google with negative3 Ellis carrying the one thank you Marquez with 14 Andrew tied with 14
01:25:53
and David with 15 let's go 5% battery nice you don't need it anymore yeah now we're done it's fine that's true close first question which of the following was not a Google X Project a project
01:26:07
glare a project that used exclusively solar energy to charge hot swappable ebike batteries B project dandelion a
01:26:15
project that sold geothermal energy systems to Consumers C project flux a project that you know when you say a word too many times doesn't feel real anymore that's project right now for me
01:26:26
a project that made a tool for Designing eco-friendly buildings or d project mineral a project that used machine learning to scale sustainable [Music]
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agriculture Marquez you're erasing and rewriting or are you drawing I thought about drawing but knew
01:26:49
I'm sticking with the writing David you don't have to to write that much it's just one letter D it's just a letter it's like in SpongeBob
01:27:00
yeah when he the all right flip them and read what do you got David B dandelion B Dand line
01:27:11
wrong dang Andrew a I forget it was flare or glare glare glare correct really I also put a glare you telling me
01:27:22
because anytime I see a project using solar energy to charge batteries I know it's not going to work really yep it
01:27:29
would make more sense that bikes need way less charge you're saying cuz look you know you know the the like uh the ebikes that they have in the city
01:27:43
yeah they they swap out those batteries every night basically to like keep them at 34 miles or however far they can go
01:27:51
if they put solar panels along the docks nearly enough probably not but something
01:27:56
right I mean I I don't know I just this was a moonshot project do selling geothermal energy to Consumers seems a lot less likely than
01:28:08
charging bikes you would think so I'm surprised I'm I I applaud you guys yeah for being
01:28:15
smarter than me today you remember the Prius with the solar panel on top the what the Prius with the solar panel seven miles a day exactly think about that yeah I thought they always said that was it takes care of the like
01:28:28
infotainment system and air conditioning controls that's mainly what it does think about that though the entire
01:28:34
surface area of the top of the Prius yeah not the entire but the whole roof yeah can power that thing yeah in ideal
01:28:43
conditions sitting in the sun on a sunny day outside for an entire day yeah for five miles yeah that's more than enough for a bike though yeah but you know what bike has a much smaller surface area the
01:28:58
it was for the bik I assumed it was I assumed it was like a station that had the yeah oh like a carport with like a
01:29:05
covered like 100 have SE have you seen the city bikes in New York City there us like a the docks are super long and you
01:29:13
could put like a strip of solar panel on it yeah yeah I still don't think it be enough yeah and I guess considering like
01:29:20
they are already powered because they like light up green or red when you like put them in and stuff so they're plugged
01:29:27
in if they could figure out how to charge the battery by just docking it they would have already done that but they're probably just afraid of
01:29:32
electrocuting people same yeah safety first question number two I'm get by the way fun fact everyone is tied up right now 15 lost my lead okay so since we're all going to get this wrong you don't
01:29:44
know that closest well assuming we do can we do closest againsts the point what was the question it's like the tamagachi datee oh the question is crap when was the tamagachi released
01:29:57
[Music] go this is according to history of tamagachi no tamagachi official.com hisory okay David why don't we just add search search
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GPT yeah okay extra point if you get the day wait like day of the week or Thursday we'd all have a better chance flip them and read put Thanksgiving
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1987 wrong I put May 26th 1995 wrong and I put July 31st that's today 1989 oh it probably is today wait
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wrong that first of all that's Claire's birthday like to the day what which is really funny sick which also relevant Harry Potter's birthday July 31st
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correct which we were just talking about that's cool damn I did not know that either what is the snitches well we're
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all wrong so what is the actual date that the tamagachi the actual date was November 23rd 1996 W Andrew was closer so Andrew gets
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the point I remember it being really popular when I was a kid so I was like I feel like it had to have come out
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sometime I thought it would have gotten more popular in Japan and then taken over for us which it did actually also
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thought it was the it would still make sense cuz I had one and I was born in '95 so I recently as in in the past
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month got my first tamagachi why wait I'm just going to leave it at that nice wait oh story time story did you say CL CLA is born in 96 89 oh Jesus hey hey
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hey hey what it's fine anyway it's still by the way the tamagachi is not opened it's still in
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the plastic only seven years collector new INX are you going to use it nib is it a Ki collab I I would like to I would
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like to pick a not busy time because you have to like keep it alive and like pay attention to it I would like to pick a not busy time to turn it on when have to
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know why you bought you have to tell us I didn't buy it I got it as a gift oh so are you going to use it you plan on
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seeing how long you pick I don't know how I I don't really know how active I have to be with it like how attentive if
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ignore it if it's the original one if you ignore it for half the day it will die it has like dentar like 6 hours or
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something like that yeah yeah poops you have to clean that up I feel like Neopets was the next step does anyone
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remember that and then you'd log onto your neopet like three months later and it had like flies garbage around it yeah
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I okay quick story about Neopets wait that's just an AI friend it wasn't it was way cooler yeah it was cooler quick quick Story by Neopets um at the time you had to be 13-year-old older
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technically but there was a loophole well it wasn't really a loophole it was a legal legal thing where if you could
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give your child permission to sign up for an account being under 13 and when I was like nine I didn't know you could lie on the internet oh you did crimes so no I didn't do crimes this is the thing
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I printed out a document that I had my parent signed that I mailed to the Neopets headquarters and to enable them
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to let me have an account before 13 W and it worked my sweet summer child I know I hope that letter is framed
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somewhere I I'm probably the only child that did not just overtly lie on the internet wow all the characters are
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exactly the same there's some new ones that is crazy I'm trying to find like while they Nostalgia over here thanks
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for watching thanks for listening to this episode of way for it's been it's been a lot of fun hopefully by next week we'll know some more things about the
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things we talked about this week cuz you know a lot of mysteries still out there mhm catch you guys in the next one peace
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