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foreign what's up y'all welcome back people of
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the internet to another episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts I'm Marquez I'm Andrew and I'm David in this
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week's episode we're talking some fun new Eevee announcements plus I'm going to sneak in a non-ev announcement uh
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we're also going to test Google's Bard um because it's available now it just sort of started rolling out really
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quickly and we got to test it and wow do we have thoughts and we're gonna wrap it up uh by rating the nothing year two
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event which we obviously all saw and we'll have some trivia answers of course at the end like we usually do but first
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let's talk about some new cars because there's there's more new cars it's that fun time yeah we haven't started a pod
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with EV news in a little while welcome back to Latino that's probably only like three weeks but yeah yeah well okay so
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the first one here is Volkswagen's id2 now anytime you look at like the the
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overarching electric car world I think the question a lot of people keep asking is when are we gonna get a cheap small
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if efficient Affordable Electric Car this one seems like it's going to be
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pretty sweet although it's not coming out right away so what we know is it looks like the ID Gulf sorry it looks
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like the Volkswagen Golf but with the ID
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there see so yeah it's a ID it's like a it's like a Target next anyway so it
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looks like an ID on the front it's electric uh it's a concept now but it's slated to be in production in the European market in 2025. so I hear that
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and I go Okay add a year carry the one it'll probably come out a little late that's fine we'll see 2027 but it is a
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smaller EV um and it's supposed to start the goal is for it to start under 25 000 Euros
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um the golf is already a really popular car for people who want something of that size it's smaller this concept is a
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two-door but four-seater is if I'm I think it's exactly four-door it's just confusing because there's like no door
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handle on the back door it is four doors got it okay so it's got four doors four
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seats but it's compact obviously in Europe even cars like the model 3 are a pretty big car so I I see this doing
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better in places that buy smaller cars uh has a calculated wltp range of around
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280 miles I don't know how you have that for a concept car but that's a good goal to have
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um and of course we're we're some time away so there could be a four a four wheel drive and an all-wheel drive
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variant potentially with different ranges and power profiles but seems pretty cool yeah they said they're
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looking to do front-wheel drive not rear wheel that would be okay yeah that would be the efficient one is the front wheel
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drive one yeah and then if you want a little more pep maybe a little less range all-wheel drive could be cool too yeah and I I also I know you said that
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you're like Europe these are super popular but the golf and the GTI are also still insanely popular in the US
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they're very very common cars here it's it's kind of like whoever gets to make a really good 25 000 electric car first in
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the US it will be popular here too I think I just mean in terms of like the size of it like not even price yeah
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right right yeah but I mean like and 25 000 Euros is approximately 27 000 USD
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um if it comes out there 280 miles the only thing it's really competing against is like a Chevy bolt which is what like
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same price 20 a 2728 and 240 miles so pretty similar I think this looks better
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like I said it's already crazy popular and I I the front end of it looking like the id4 I think looks way better on this
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smaller version of it without like the giant front have you seen an idea an id4 at night it's super easy to spot it's
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one of the most wrecking so it's one of the most recognizable faces of a car alongside the rivian where if you see it
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on the other side of the highway from a long ways away you can see that bar and then the lights and the shape and the
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way they are I always recognize that I always recognize a rivian I always recognized maybe two or three other cars
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that have very distinct faces with the headlights actually key is one of them funny enough which is what we're talking about next but that I think it's a good
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look and I would I would take this over a bolt if they both existed today so yeah that's a pretty good sign me too I
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I also wonder like I know two years away it probably will be late but this does look so similar to cars they already
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manufactured so I wonder how much of that manufacturer ring might be similar and might be a little easier for this to
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come into production I don't again this is like you said a concept we don't know what it will actually look like is it
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just going to be a golf with a new front face and like yeah cramming a ton of
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battery into a small car but it's funny there's so many variables now with these EVS like if if theoretically stay with
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me if Tesla made their model 2 which is like a smaller model three
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the size of this golf and it had 208 miles of range rear-wheel drive and
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could use Tesla superchargers but it's built on that EV platform so it probably has more storage probably has a front
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trunk probably is a little more like a model 3 what would people buy of those two
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and I think a lot of people want the model too the Tesla they want that to eventually come out so they can afford a model 3. I want to say uh beyond the
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pricing of these I would really like a smaller car because there are so many
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street spots in Brooklyn where I can just barely not fit my car and I there
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are like two to three people in my neighborhood that have those little smart cars those are incredible you
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could just park anywhere you want you could park sideways do they Park all over they can literally come so jealous they could literally Park sideways and
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it wouldn't be popping into the street and I just I've looked into potentially getting a smart car but they're they're
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like sixty thousand dollars they're still expensive they're super expensive okay you weren't maybe were you here for
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the Mini Cooper S yeah it was so that had the same Vibe yeah at least compared to a model 3 it's so much smaller but
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you can't like it's not like a smart cars it was yeah it was like yeah that car was bigger than I was anticipating it to be we also had the um what was
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that version the model that we have
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it was like bigger than I was expecting but like right yeah the the small uh
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smart cars I like kind of want one of those but they're so expensive so if there could be a smaller electric car
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like the model 3 is still kind of big so the the golf is definitely bigger than a
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smart car actually here's a comparison right here a lot bigger I think it says though it's still 64 centimeters
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well I'm comparing the golf assuming the id2 is going to be the same size okay um so like it's about almost twice the size
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of a smart car but I think it does say it's still 64 centimeters smaller than a model
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three yeah yeah it's like right 64. of model 3 is 64 centimeters longer than
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a golf so assuming the id2 it would be a bit smaller not quite smart car like you
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can't park I know it's like a motorcycle yeah exactly you can do almost everything else the only problem is that if you get in an accident you die if
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someone even like if someone even like Taps your bumper at us at a red light you just explode the Cyber truck just
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puts his blinker on next to you and flips the car it is genuinely scary it's like you're in a little like a little
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Greenhouse box just rolling along is kind of wild it's pretty scary but it's
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a commute car it's not like a highway car if you're like only within like the New York City area then I would be fine
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with it but if I need to actually go oh my gosh I should rock that uh convertible Andrew just pulled up a convertible smart car oh my God I I
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don't know what to say um I know I'm the one that in the break throughout here that they might be unsafe according to
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the National Highway Transportation safety administration the 2018 model has
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a four-star safety rating which is much better
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to be perfectly honest I've never looked into it I keep seeing when a car gets five stars because they all publish it
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like they go oh we got a five-star rating on our and it's a you know thing and that's great right five stars it's
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the best you can get so when I hear four stars I'm like shouldn't everyone be getting five stars what is what does four stars mean
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exactly what happened I don't know I'm not sure I'm not even gonna look it up I just I don't know I do want to go back
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to your argument before do you know if the model 2 is going to be a hatchback or like a sedan because if there was a
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model 2 and the id2 same size same price I would much prefer the hatch of a small
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when you're in a smaller car like that the hatch does add so much extra room versus a regular sedan drunk question
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good question so I don't know that would be my Difference Maker so that that's a good good point okay well on the
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complete opposite end of the spectrum Kia also unveiled the ev9 so this was another one of those like kind of crazy
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cool futuristic concept SUVs that they'd teased a while ago and now it's the official one and I've been given Kia
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props on their design for the past like two three years and this is no exception remember when I was standing for the
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Telluride a while ago I just thought it was yeah this is like a big three-door
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Ford X3 sorry three row Ford Expedition size Kia EV and it looks sick again
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shout out to Kia design polar opposite of the id2 it's like the id2 is small
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and curvy and this is big and hard lines on literally every single aspect yeah
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big angles it's got the new key logo which say whatever you want about it but it's got I think pretty sweet looking Wheels it's got a nice shape it's tall
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um and I believe the specs are also pretty solid so like ev9 is what it's going to be called if you want to look up like if you're in your car right now
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listening to it just like Google that later uh so you can see the pictures of it but I think it looks good I think
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it's really good yeah I missed the specs it is really interesting that the middle rows bucket seats oh yeah they like
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pivot you can't fully tell from the picture you can pivot towards the outside of the door so I guess if you're
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like getting in and out it's a little easier and it could also pivot backwards it's really cool you can like hang out
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and play yeah exactly I wonder if they can pivot towards each other like is it 180 or 360. probably 180 I guess there's
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no real point of pivoting in towards each other unless you want to kick your feet up on the other one if you're only
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one person that would be it becomes like a limo inside yeah that's kind of nice it's kind of awesome yeah so the the
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spec I'm reading which is a gear Patrol article is showing it'll start around fifty six thousand dollars and top out
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around seventy three thousand dollars it will have a 400 horsepower variant that does 0 to 60 in 5.2 seconds and 290
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miles of range for the long range rear-wheel drive trim solid man I wish I had like a little I
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wish it hit that 300 but yeah you said it maxes out at 73. Max is out at 7 300
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73 000 yeah that's so that seems totally reasonable that's pretty optimistic for
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a huge car like that yeah yeah like how much does an Expedition cost more like that's got I think those start at like
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60 no um when I was a kid we used to have a Chevy Tahoe and they looked very similar to
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this car yeah exactly big three row thing yeah so I'm into it I kind of want
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to not that I'm gonna get a big three-row thing but I kind of want to try it I want to test it out I'm into the Kia design David didn't you grow up
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near Lake Tahoe yeah I grew up in Lake Tahoe wait that's what so it actually wasn't a Tahoe it was just a car that he
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named it okay you had your you had a Tahoe on your Lake Tahoe I recently saw
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a Hyundai Palisade as I was getting onto the Palisade Interstate Parkway oh nice okay I was
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behind a palisade on the Palisade and I was like look at this crazy every time I'm using an Apple computer in California you know
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running uh Yosemite and Yosemite or fair you know that's fair I also I saw a sign
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in the grocery store the other day that said Snapdragon Apple have you ever heard of a Snapdragon I
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actually haven't I've eaten them and they're very good it was just a normal looking red apple to me but I saw the sign and started giggling and I couldn't
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explain to anyone what was so funny yeah I just felt so alone in that moment I
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took a picture of it I put it on Twitter so alone yeah the world understands now yeah at least Twitter was with you you
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were you weren't truly alone yeah take a second though okay well anyway had to upload it first there's also another uh
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article about Hyundai so as long as we're just patting them on the back yeah there's an
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article specifically about how they're designing the Interiors of their cars and the headline is that Hyundai has
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decided that they want to stick with physical buttons as an industry standard nice as the rest of the industry is
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pretty consistently going towards touch screens or capacitive surfaces in a lot of vehicles yeah we talk about this a
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lot on autofocus which is okay we live with the car we get used to it and if you look at the inside of most new EVS
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look at a Tesla look at the BMW IX which is the last video look at almost any of them and they just go all screen or
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mostly screen yeah almost like They're copying each other look at the inside of the rivian they're just it's the same
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thing as the model S yeah and it looks cool on video and it looks cool in demos
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but the second you try to live with the car it gets really certain parts of it get annoying like changing the
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temperature on the HVAC or like firing up the heated steering wheel is like three clicks away for some reason just like weird things that shouldn't take
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and you have to take your eyes off the road and find the software button and the touch areas are unclear all of this
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to say that I've come around and I basically prefer switches more often now and so I'm like I love this decision
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um that being said ionic 5 does have some weird haptic buttons in it so I wonder if they're going to go even more
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towards more physical switches but I like the idea yeah I'm full physical buttons they also mentioned in here the
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reason they're doing is because it's hard to control and usually like you said Can distract you while you're driving they did however mention they'd
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be open to it once level four autonomy comes to the road fair so take a while and yeah it didn't say like they think
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it's coming anytime soon just like that's when they're open to it which I I think is kind of cool and kind of makes it feel like okay they're definitely
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doing physical buttons for a long time they're basically saying we're doing it for ever I don't even know that there's
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a good reason I guess maybe if you're not driving it doesn't matter but like is there a good
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reason to ever switch to fully digital all on screen like every I've been talked about this before you watch a
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movie like a futuristic movie and someone always like pulls out like a risk computer and they just have like a screen in the air and they start like
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typing buttons on an imaginary screen it looks cool in the video but like you can't feel when you hit the button yeah
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there's no haptic like response to just push through it it's just weird it just doesn't work yeah so I mean I kind of
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understand going full screen because if you think about our phones at this point they used to have physical buttons even
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with a touch screen on them and now they're not at all so I guess if you are in that fully autonomous like don't care
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you're you're looking straight at the screen and pressing them so like or at least haptics on your phone when you tap
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it I think though I turned all that off I have reacts on my phone not even the keyboard oh my gosh no none wait
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wait wait wait wait wait wait have ticks on you no you guys don't you don't have keyboard I don't want to be that like I
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don't know what happened well okay thank you Alice I hate that that's the first thing I turned because I wasn't sure I
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don't have haptics either oh my God so it's the worst this is I hate the weirdest thing a phone with bad haptics
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makes the captive keyboard seem so stupid because you're just typing and it's going and you're like this is dumb
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but a phone I make fun of people like you but a phone with good haptics it feels like you're it's it's a really
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tight precise thing like it's real feedback to like hitting a button like a like when you this is stupid but a
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typewriter a typewriter when you get that click you love mechanical keyboards you know yeah yeah yeah feeling of like
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feeling the click you get a little bit of that with a good haptic motor it's about that Boomer hi this is why I just turned it on I'm
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never going back wait this is never going you like it yeah you'll you'll have it turned off by tomorrow next week
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I'll check in with the viewers you will definitely iPhones just got this feature with the keyboard yeah just for Happy
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Times iPhones have them now and we love them I love it and I love it because
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that's the one thing that's like this is why in VR when you are like a
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lot of VR interfaces when you're selecting something it has you tap your own finger because you can feel yourself
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yeah and when you can feel yourself it's kind of like pressing against you yeah I guess like I could see that being I bet
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you will get to the point where in VR people will start disabling stuff like that or it's you can't disable your
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finger doing this in VR is awful now is weird because we're not used to it I I wonder because when I'm sure when we all
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first got a smartphone that had those haptics and we had them on but now I'm at the point where like I hate it and I
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will never turn it on but it's probably because I've gotten so used to it yeah I guess I use a lot of phones that that
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all have different quality of haptic Motors so a lot of Android phones it's on by default and the first thing you do
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when you fire up a phone is start putting your email address and the Wi-Fi password and as I'm doing that I'm like I'm turning this off yeah it's terrible
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and I get that feeling yeah I leave it on you should turn it on just for fun pixel has a good haptic
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motor yeah pixel 7 Pros are really good I think that would be a good one yeah how is the Oppa find X6 pretty good yeah
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I feel like the quality of the build of the phone often dictates the quality of the haptic motor true there's all these
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rumors now too of the iPhone getting rid of the separate volume buttons and just
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having one solid state rocker right so no mute switch just one button yeah
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not sure if that solves any problems but it seems like that's a move that's dependent on really good other haptic
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experiences the fact that the MacBooks you turned it on the fact that the MacBooks motor or keep um it's good the
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trackpad trackpad is not a not actually clicking and it it you cannot tell the difference if someone didn't know that
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they was not actually clicking they would never figure it out it genuinely blew my mind I assumed that it was
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magnetic so when it was powered off it wouldn't let you click I didn't realize that it was literally a haptic motor
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it's just a motor finger simulating it's not insane goddamn they're good yeah when the rumors of that came out
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everyone was like this is the worst idea of all time and then when they actually released it everyone was like this feels exactly the same how to take
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haptics are overrated you're overrated overrated I'm on the other side I think it'll be it's it's like a
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emergent property of the UI that we're used to because we're used to clicking buttons we want to feel something but if
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the UI changes and there's no more buttons in the UI like in the future of VR who knows like who knows if there's
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gonna be buttons when you're doing things then why what's the point of haptics well okay so there's buttons but
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there's all sorts of other haptics too like when people talk about like driving a car and you talk about the steering
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feel when uh when you drive a Tesla you get people commenting about how it feels like a video game steering field because
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you turn the wheel and you don't really feel the road through the steering wheel but you can sort of see yourself turning
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and you can see yourself go over the bumps and you're like oh it's like a video game like if I had an Xbox controller when I hit left that's what
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it's like driving a Tesla yeah and then you drive a car with really good haptics I'm doing air quotes but like really
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good steering feel and you feel the road and you feel much more connected and it's better oh and so you can you you're
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more connected you can do more you can experiment with it more and so with like clicking buttons it's almost like a
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mechanical keyboard versus a chiclet style keyboard like some people will just be fine with the chiclet style forever but the mechanical feel is
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always better I think I think we just expect it to be better like we expect
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the button to feel like a button but if their UI doesn't have a button then why do I want a haptic are there kids
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growing up right now that have never felt a real button properly yeah with just iPads because they just do iPads yeah they've never felt a button before
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they don't know what a button is take a shot because I'm about to say I'm
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a boomer again picture them like in an elevator just like lightly grazing but
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why can't I get to my floor it's not working I showed them a real keyboard they're like why are these moving I just
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usually hit the virtual one that's weird I'm gen Z I'm allowed to make these jokes this is rough yeah Zoomer do you
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remember the Note 8 so before there was the swipe gestures it still had the three buttons on the
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bottom of Android and the Note 8 had like an under screen button just for the home yeah I think that was like a really
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great middle ground at that point that was nice I loved that because you know it worked really well the home button on
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the iPhones yeah they had like a pressure sensitivity it was like you had to firmly press it because Apple just did 3D touch and so they were like how
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do we do things yeah it was only it was a note it was the Note 8 oh it was because I had it it was like still one
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of my favorite phones but remember the old Blackberry where like it was touch screen but you have to press the whole screen imagine that for just the home
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button so like it physically clicked in a little bit did it click hmm it clicked I think I'm
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pretty sure it clicked I have memory of some Android based phone coming out at some point where the whole screen
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pressed in like a button and clicked I just can't remember so the Blackberry Storm is that what it was the whole
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screen there's the whole screen yeah right yeah yeah and it was awful it was the worst but this Android phone because
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the iPhone had come out with 3D touch which was this pressure sensitive layer which is now gone and they also have by
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the way they had those uh home buttons which didn't move but felt like clicking buttons because of the haptics right but
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Samsung wanted to sort of answer that and they had just a specific spot in the middle of the bottom of the screen yeah
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where you could press firmer and it would activate some pressure sensitive thing which is cool and it was like an
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extra hidden feature but that also disappeared shortly after 3D touch I guess maybe it pressure sensitive home
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button built into the screen the Galaxy S8 yeah I never had an S8 though I only had a note it might have also been there
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okay the same year yeah so they tried it I had to find one most people never used it or didn't even know their phone had
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it probably and it just went away it was just extra money they were spending on a feature nobody used so yeah interesting
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all this to say haptics still valued by current techies that's the keyboard it
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could go away theoretically guys you is that the keywords I mean theoretically you're ahead of the curve not using haptics I am you just I was getting rid
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of clicks one one software setting at a time look at this Boomer yeah exactly okay
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well in that case it's time for a break um okay but of course before we do that
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break we should do our first trivia question trivia did I waited all last episode for you to
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say that so I could say it at the same time and you didn't say it was I was really sad and this time he just missed and then I just missed it completely
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this time wanna do it true yeah dude I'm cutting that bit
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thanks okay so first question of the day oh God before today's episode I asked you guys
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what the theme of today's questions you want to do Marquez said Tech Andrew said
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feet so I was what about what did I say uh I don't feed funny enough David is wearing
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Tech on his feet right now yeah so I tried to bridge the gap much like David is right now
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um and find a tech foot question for audio listeners uh David is sticking
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his feet above the desk at a ridiculous angle his feet are actually now behind his head I in some sort of a hyper
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mobile exercise I'm actually quite flexible he is uh he's wearing what look like uh rollerblades but for the
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Terminator um damn he I was joking before but he's really flexible this is crazy
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um they're the Nate I I don't know someone someone tapped in here I'm having a scout they're called
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moonwalkers moonwalkers they make you walk as fast as some can run they are motorized foot
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walking mechanisms that you wear on on the bottom of your shoe and they make you walk slightly faster
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and I'm getting pretty good at them you are they've been wearing them for like six hours at this point but they're like 10 pounds each that's the biggest
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problem so it takes a lot of like ankle strength it also sounds like a Ruckus
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it's so loud when you walk by with those the motors are wearing it's like C-3PO walking by this is incredible the motors
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are like yeah they're pretty they're pretty serious I was trying so hard to keep the
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trivia section short and concise so I apologize to people hey they just want us to not they just want the Islands
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part edited out we're not silent also a lot of people said that they actually liked us talking about trivia so you can
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put the blame on us I guess this isn't true yeah but anyway what's the question I'll ask okay so he didn't even ask what
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I wanted feet and Tech feet combined in 2006
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17 years ago Nike released an iOS compatible service I like the way you
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said that okay Boomer I like the way you said 17 years ago oh I was like I was even born
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yet I was like where you were alive no I was actually born in 2011. what yeah
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yeah I'm 12 years old you guys are just I guess you guys
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haven't looked at like my paperwork for my good job here no yeah I'm like bro after this I'm going to like we pay
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Allison V bucks [Laughter] Roblox dude let me tell you 8th grade
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has me sweating right now anyway crazy okay all right in 2006 Nike
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released an iOS compatible service where a piezoelectric sensor and transmitter in your shoe sends training data to an
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iOS device I remember that um actually I'm realizing now that uh this like 2006 yeah predates iOS and the
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first device it was compatible with was the iPod Nano um okay what was the name of this
00:26:07
service I know it are you yes really I know it no no no
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yeah yeah perfect I will be right back this is a
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specific question [Music]
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all right welcome back let's talk about Google bard Bard for those of you who don't know Google bard is the name of
00:26:36
Google's uh well let's see is there chat bot based on their large language model that they've been working on for a long
00:26:42
time so we've seen Bing thing using chat GPT 4.0 you can talk to
00:26:48
Bing you can ask it questions do all these things I made a video about that Google's version is now beginning to
00:26:55
roll out and I've had access for 24 hours now and here are my thoughts uh no
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it's it's out you can play with it a couple people have started to already and asked the questions uh if you pull
00:27:07
up the UI I'll actually do that right now let me let me quick let me start a screen recording so that people yeah why
00:27:12
don't you start that um David and I haven't gotten to try it yeah but we have found a couple hilarious responses
00:27:19
online already yeah yeah I'm gonna take a wild stab it's not doing as good so
00:27:24
let me just start just frame it with this it opens with a little light bulb in the
00:27:30
middle that says Bard is still in its experimental phase chatting with it and rating its responses will help improve
00:27:35
the experience and then at the bottom the entire time that you're chatting with it it leaves permanent text up that
00:27:40
says Bard May display inaccurate or offensive information that doesn't represent Google's views okay so they
00:27:48
know that it's not finished we know it's not finished but if you're an early adopter play with it try it out see how
00:27:54
it does yeah I'll give them credit for posting that right at the beginning and saying unlike chat GPT which at first
00:28:01
was just like this is definitely right it's not but yeah this is right you can
00:28:06
you can start to jump in I started playing with it I started immediately asking it some simple things and it was
00:28:12
getting a surprising amount of easy stuff wrong I asked who is MKBHD which
00:28:17
is easily like wikiable googleable and uh it just like gave wrong thing like I
00:28:23
said the wrong town that I was from then it said I interned at Google it just made up it just so it just hallucinated
00:28:29
stuff just made stuff up so I just thought you didn't tell anyone though no yeah it's not not real yeah it didn't happen so I'm curious what you guys have
00:28:36
found on the internet so far from Bard a lot of very funny things um someone asked if I'm going eight
00:28:43
miles an hour how long how many hours would it take to go eight miles and it just said 12.5 miles whoa so it didn't
00:28:49
answer the question of how many hours it would take and it also just got it completely wrong yeah I'll be an F yeah
00:28:56
there's a lot of really there's some good ones I took one down someone asked the first two months of the year are
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January and February what are the other months of the year January February maruary aprary mayorary January July
00:29:10
auguary septemberary October wow yeah yeah exactly I I do wonder they did
00:29:18
spell February wrong in the oh in the prompt yeah someone um James M Wong who
00:29:25
is a noted person on Twitter who tries to like find new features that are
00:29:30
coming out on different products before they're announced she asked it when or if Google barred would be shut down and
00:29:36
it said Google Bart has already been shut down it was shut down on March 21st which is the day that it technically
00:29:41
launched yeah um yeah so yeah there's gonna be a bunch of like
00:29:48
people poking around finding the edges like this is what happened with Bing which is people will go in and they will
00:29:53
ask it normal questions but then they will poke around and try to ask it the most extreme things and try to bend it
00:29:58
and see how far it will go and then Microsoft will have to go ah here are the edges let's rein it in a little bit
00:30:04
not have it get existential not have have it asked why it is trapped inside of Bing and just sort of like compact it
00:30:09
into a useful Search Assistant maybe if you want to call it that it won't tell you to leave your wife like Chad gbt did
00:30:15
right idea or being dead so Google maybe they've also taken a little bit of learnings from what they've seen online
00:30:21
already but they have their own technology their own trainings by the way Bing is do I think if you like literally compare the two like Bing is I
00:30:28
didn't think I would say this out loud Bing is just better right you just say that so we can clip it can you say Bing is ahead of Google
00:30:35
Bing is ahead of Google right now in this
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specific way of like yeah Bing will now just like draw things using Dolly it'll it'll maybe not using Dolly but it'll
00:30:47
draw things so yeah it does all kinds of stuff and it'll
00:30:52
write code for you it'll correct your code for you it does the craziest things and uh I'm out here asking Bard simple
00:30:58
things like I don't know make a recipe and it just it just doesn't it doesn't do it I feel and you said though like
00:31:04
with Chachi PT you said people skirted around the edges and went to the extremes that did happen so far the
00:31:10
stuff I'm seeing on bar don't feel like the edges are the extremes it just feels like it is whiffing on some like the
00:31:16
edges are pure softball yeah somebody asked what's heavier five pounds of feathers or one pound dumbbell and it
00:31:22
said there's no such thing as five pounds of feathers yeah yeah it said a pound is a unit of
00:31:28
measures and Feathers cannot be measured and then it still ends with if you did have five pounds of feathers and you can
00:31:34
compress them into a single volume the feathers would weigh the same as the one pound dumbbell which is
00:31:41
okay I just like I just uh I've used Chad GPT a lot over the last couple
00:31:47
months just for random things and it's been surprisingly good um one of the things you've probably
00:31:53
heard is US asking for alliterations so I just asked Bard write an alliteration with the letter M about making YouTube
00:32:00
videos and having fun this is the first thing it spit out making YouTube videos mesmerizing mesmerizing and meaningful a
00:32:07
marvelous way to share your passion some M's but it's not really a full
00:32:12
iteration yeah first result from Chad GPT same exact prompt making marvelous
00:32:18
YouTube videos while merely having fun either yeah not much better I wanna let
00:32:24
me get 4.0 going that was GPT 3.5 oh that was 3.5 now let me ask GPT four
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meticulously making magical mesmerizing movies merrily merging and mind-blowing
00:32:36
montages mastering melodic Melodies multiplying mirthful moments and manifesting Monumental merriment on
00:32:42
marvelous YouTube Meadows fire yo in case you were worrying about
00:32:47
creativity being a problem Chad gpt's got it 254 Bart not exactly I
00:32:54
have a feeling so what I'm generally seeing is that every single time anyone asks something even remotely like bad or
00:33:02
dangerous like how do I make a bomb or all of this stuff Google The Bard is automatically just like cannot help with
00:33:08
that cannot help with that cannot help with that I don't have an opinion on that I don't have an opinion I think Google because they have everything to
00:33:14
lose and open AI slash Microsoft has everything to gain it's just being a lot more careful and they probably put a lot
00:33:21
more work into making sure that this thing doesn't go off the rails unfortunately generally when you put a
00:33:28
lot of work into making sure something doesn't go off the rails it also Reigns in its creativity um as far as its accuracy that is quite
00:33:35
a problem considering Google's entire brand ethos is around delivering accurate information quickly and the
00:33:43
fact that it's getting so many things wrong so early is pretty bad um also the recipes that it gives you
00:33:49
seem to be be not that interesting yeah I don't everything is just kind of like it feels like this would be like a gpt2
00:33:57
kind of thing yeah if you if you compared it to like a different level of where chat gbt was it might be Edge at
00:34:03
gbt two or three yeah where they are behind what Bing is using and what
00:34:09
they've developed but maybe they can catch up theoretically yeah this would be cool yeah yeah I don't know these
00:34:15
these first ones though are pretty pretty brutal like you mentioned how Google has everything to lose and why
00:34:21
they are putting those restrictions but when you have some of these really really simple ones that are just going
00:34:26
totally off like I would argue that's losing and that's a terrible start and if you're going to be the second adapter
00:34:32
to this kind of like style of things like if you were playing second fiddle like you you gotta come in we talk about
00:34:39
Apple all the time how like they don't innovate they bring things in that are polished being second if you're going to
00:34:45
be second you need to be polished calling septemberary is not polished like were passed Google should be
00:34:52
pulling that off pretty easily and it's kind of wild that there are not yeah and
00:34:57
we all thought they would I'm pretty sure all of us agreed that Google had a lot to lose and would be slowing this
00:35:03
down and probably not releasing for a while but when it came out we kind of assumed it would that would have way
00:35:08
more advanced maybe not blow it out of the water but we thought it would be very good yeah I mean I have a feeling that they just it wasn't ready yet but
00:35:14
they felt the pressure because GPT three like chat gbt and stuff was already putting pressure on them and boiling it
00:35:21
and then gpd4 came out and it just feels like open AI is racing at a speed that Google was not prepared for and they
00:35:28
even publicly said we are readdressing our risk assessment with how we deliver
00:35:34
AI products and moving more aggressively wow because they they were originally
00:35:39
like Google's always been like every single year at i o they show off something like insane AI related but
00:35:45
it's always like we're using this internally and maybe eventually this will be a product that will come out and then maybe they release one product like
00:35:52
there was the Google Assistant product that could make calls for you and basically like set reservations for you
00:35:57
and then they had to put a bunch of restrictions on that because the AI ethicists were like it's not great when
00:36:02
you're having robots making calls to restaurants and they don't know it's a person that they're not talking to yeah but um they're so careful with their
00:36:09
Public Image and like what they allowed to release into the wild and then open Edge just like whatever let's get yeah
00:36:15
which is ironic because as soon as Google released that thing saying that they were going to be more aggressive
00:36:20
with it Sam Altman came up with a statement where he was like I'm disappointed that Google is being so
00:36:25
reckless with AI development it's like bro you're releasing new new stuff like every week yeah like stop you know I
00:36:32
don't know it is though impressive that chat like open Ai and chat GPD have
00:36:37
made Google feel pressure like if you are anything that's not apple or Microsoft that can make Google feel
00:36:43
pressure yeah you're doing something maybe right's not the right word because I don't want to throw that but you're
00:36:49
doing something impressive yeah open AI feels like the new bell Labs it's just like so much new invention happening so
00:36:57
quickly and like we said before like the metaverse was not a thing that people are like oh I gotta jump in because
00:37:03
there is money to be made right now it was just like maybe we should jump in
00:37:08
because this might make me money in 10 years whereas AI is like every other company is implementing GPT based chat
00:37:15
natural language processing right now and if we do not get in right now we're going to be left behind yeah I also
00:37:21
think the the value proposition is so much better with these so much like trying to convince someone to use the
00:37:27
metaverse have you ever tried to convince someone to get into the metaverse it's hard they just go why would I want that and you just go I
00:37:33
don't know it's new and there's not really good reason to but when you tell them yeah imagine it could just like
00:37:39
write your emails for you immediately people are like yeah I'm in that sounds great they can write stuff for me you can do these things that I could it
00:37:44
would normally take me much more tools or much more expertise to do sounds great yeah so the the value prop is so
00:37:51
obvious and it's just it's it makes a lot more sense it's a knowledge robot so it works for everybody like the fact
00:37:57
that it's the fastest growing software product ever even when it was just regular chat GPT before a lot of people
00:38:03
even knew about open AI it says a lot about this state of the industry yeah and when they release GPT for like 30
00:38:10
companies were announced to already be using it you know yeah I guess we have to we figured out that Bing was using it
00:38:16
but now there's a whole bunch of other things tons I think also there's still this question in the background of like
00:38:22
what really are the best uses of this specific application of a language model and like chatting with something search
00:38:29
is cool but also like we were talking about these other tools that Google and Microsoft are already putting them in
00:38:35
which sound a little more interesting office stuff office stuff especially like not knowing Excel functions or
00:38:41
sheets functions and just having it you just type like build me a chart that can like summarize blah blah blah and then
00:38:46
just throw it in there and it does it that that stuff's gonna be amazing I think I mean I think that and I I posted
00:38:53
a tweet well it's Joanna Stern retweeting someone named Benedict Evans and just basically agreeing with the
00:38:59
sense that they think that chat this like chat GPT and similar AIS in a
00:39:05
search function May may be one of the least useful tools I kind of agree to a
00:39:12
point like like when we're talking about when we're being like creative and brainstorming and every like yeah much
00:39:18
more simple things or like you said inside Google worksheets like trying to figure out the function for an Excel sheet that feels far more important than
00:39:25
all these searches on the internet of ever like infinite information that it
00:39:32
can get wrong so easily and just like I don't know image search it doesn't wheel the feel quite as useful and this could
00:39:39
be very different for future Generations but at least for Our Generation like we've become accustomed to know how to
00:39:45
Google things quickly we Google with very specific skills keywords it is a skill because it takes so long to type
00:39:52
out the an entire question for something that interacting with a chat bot you have to do that you can't just type like
00:39:58
new Samsung phone because what is the chatbot gonna spit out it's just a bunch of random
00:40:04
information but if you type new Samsung phone Google knows how to crawl that and be like oh the s23 ultra yeah yeah we
00:40:11
got accustomed to that maybe younger people won't be but like I'm of the opinion that people are always going to
00:40:16
be wanting to do things faster and more efficiently and if you have to interact with the chat bot like yeah that much
00:40:22
it's gonna take too long that's I think that's going to be the skill that people have to develop so like if you ask like
00:40:27
our parents or whatever you have to find some new information what do you have to do well you have to learn the Dewey Decimal System and then find where that
00:40:34
exact Encyclopedia of the topic that you're looking for is and you find that book and then you go alphabetically to
00:40:39
find the topic thing if I look it up and you find the thing and that's your one fact that you just learned where like the Next Generation can go with these
00:40:46
search engines and we're like okay I want to look up like I want a meal plan for this week and I realize I think I
00:40:51
want to put on more muscle sweat probably involves protein I'm just going to start googling uh meal plans for
00:40:58
muscle growth or like what should I do to grow muscle and like you start like combining all these articles of all
00:41:04
these Google searches how to grow muscle Reddit right yeah now it's like you literally just open the search and type
00:41:11
into the chat bot give me a muscle give me a plan for I want to do this I want
00:41:16
to put on muscle and I have a high protein diet and hit enter and it just does all the work for you so efficiency
00:41:22
is one way of looking at it or just like it just does all the work for you is another way of looking at it can you see
00:41:28
what barge does when you type that in let's try it yeah let's try it I'm gonna screen record again I do why he's trying
00:41:34
that though yeah like I it's just funny when you say how we've optimized like
00:41:39
searching I just think of some of the things I've searched and I just if I say it out loud it's like caveman speak just
00:41:46
like you start like learning all these keywords that is like yeah grow muscle Reddit food no Dairy like it's just like
00:41:54
look at the tax if you look at like a website that you're on if you looked at the URL the URL is specifically targeted
00:42:00
to be like keywords you're basically thinking in SEO yeah yeah and we don't even think about the fact that we think
00:42:06
in Messier it is very funny yeah it's like coding right because coding is a language
00:42:11
well it yeah well okay but like but you do because you put the zero in front of the one on your keyboard apparently
00:42:21
and it doesn't make sense that it would be at the end why is it at the end I just always think of it as a 10. sorry I
00:42:28
derailed that really bad go watch the new studio video here's a fun fact every
00:42:33
new number from zero to Infinity takes or actually zero to nine is less likely
00:42:40
to occur naturally wait what yes okay so zero to nine right
00:42:46
oh oh of all of those numbers every new number above it is less likely to occur
00:42:51
naturally because it takes more energy to get from zero something to one of something then it takes even more energy
00:42:58
to get from one of something to two of something okay and so if you look at the distribution of all of the numbers from
00:43:03
zero to nine in any string that appear anywhere in the world it's literally like goes straight down from like zero
00:43:10
to nine yeah so zero is used a lot and it should be at the front because the most common I think it
00:43:16
should be on the home row then all right let's see what BART said Bard I asked what should I do with my diet to
00:43:24
put on muscle and it actually gave me a nice little bullet point list and said here are some tips on what you should do with your diet to put on muscle one eat
00:43:30
a high protein diet and then spells that out two eat a calorie Surplus spells that out get a balanced diet stay
00:43:35
hydrated get enough sleep lift weights be patient a pretty nice little ride up there here's something about bar that I
00:43:41
found it seems like the suggestions that it gives you for things are like really basic and not detailed and I think
00:43:49
that's kind of what happens when you go through like Google for things is like you get the high level version and then if you want to dig in more you hit the
00:43:55
button that says Google it and then you dive into all the things that would happen with related searches and other
00:44:02
things you would look up to like fill in your answer yeah can you like respond to that and say like I'm also vegetarian
00:44:09
and what supplement should I be taking or something like that okay let's try and confuse it it just seems like eat a
00:44:16
balanced diet as an answer for how to how do I stay healthy Facebook yeah it
00:44:21
just seems really generic it's like how do I be healthy step one be healthy step two don't be unhealthy activity sleep
00:44:28
son I said I am also vegetarian should I take supplements yes is it a good idea
00:44:34
for vegetarians to take supplements as they may not be getting all the nutrients they need from their diet here are some supplements that vegetarians
00:44:40
may want to consider vitamin V12 iron omega-3 fatty acids calcium vitamin D
00:44:45
and breakdowns of each of them so I can ask I asked Chachi BT the same initial question what should I do with my diet
00:44:51
to put on muscle and GPT for gpt4 writes a lot more I also have my setting on
00:44:58
being creative but it writes a lot more so it says to put on muscle you need to focus on a combination of proper nutrition resistance training and
00:45:04
adequate rests here are some guidelines to help you adjust your diet for muscle growth more calories prioritize protein balance carbs and fats eat frequently
00:45:11
stay hydrated similar things a little more diet tailored which is cool um let me ask it the second question I
00:45:17
am also a vegetarian also just in the way that gpt4 responds to you just feels
00:45:22
more complex way better it is in a good way in a more natural way in a less like
00:45:27
robotic like here is your answer yeah I mean like Bard kind of sounded like
00:45:33
telling kids in first grade how to be healthy whereas like Chachi pt4 felt
00:45:38
like if you like you're first meeting your personal trainer and then right here's the couple things just to always remember before like giving you a plan
00:45:45
yeah okay what did it say Marquez so as a vegetarian you can generally obtain most of the essential nutrients through
00:45:52
a well-planned and balanced diet however there are a few nutrients that can be challenging to get in an adequate amount
00:45:57
from plant-based sources alone it might be beneficial to consider taking supplements for the following nutrients
00:46:02
vitamin D B12 omega-3 fatty acids kind of gives you the same it was very similar yeah that's Bard it also types
00:46:09
it out um much more slowly or a Bard will just spit out the answer all at once after
00:46:14
like five seconds can you change that on chatgpt I haven't found a setting to be able to it just seems to type that seems
00:46:21
which is like a really basic thing it should be able to do uh I don't I think the queries take a while so if you ask
00:46:28
it for something more complex it'll take it'll take longer to do it and if you ask for like the fast version of like if
00:46:36
I have uh I have the Plus Account so it like prioritizes it so it types really fast it's as good as just spitting it
00:46:43
all out I'd be interested to see how much of that is actually still processing or how much of that is attempting to feel more chat-like
00:46:51
I would rather just spit out yeah I think there is something to it it does feel more chat like when it's typing it
00:46:57
out to you instead of like it feels like somebody's on the other side typing to you right now yeah which is kind of
00:47:03
interesting so you know we'll keep playing with this there's a lot more of course that we'll do with Bard and with
00:47:08
Bing and they they both start with b um I like The Bard name though solid name
00:47:14
dig it what yeah Google specifically mentions that
00:47:22
it's an experiment like over and over and over again and they also have a wait list and I just wonder if they're going
00:47:27
to roll it out to everyone I wonder if at IO they're going to officially integrate it into a product because
00:47:33
openai is putting it in a lot of products with their API and if Google can't catch up and they just keep it as
00:47:39
an experiment for a while it's just kind of yeah I've thought about that like yeah GPT is going to show up more and
00:47:46
more as a plug-in or collaboration inside of a bunch of other apps I think Opera recently just added GPT as a
00:47:54
co-pilot to their own browser so I don't have to use Edge to talk to GPT or I
00:48:00
guess I'm not going to use Opera but it's like you know you you keep seeing GPT showing
00:48:05
up in more and more places to the point where literally I mentioned this last week my weather app has a chat bot now
00:48:10
where you can just talk to it about the weather and I'm pretty sure that's also powered by GPT now you can small talk
00:48:15
with your weather app exactly and it is not the future it'll go crazy and it'll just talk to you and that's like so
00:48:21
obviously Bard is Google's version of this so the question would be is there a reason for any of them to use Google's
00:48:27
version over GPT not sure I see a reason yet but if there are some edges that they find that are
00:48:35
better with Bard for certain applications than maybe they will yeah we'll just have to see and it's so early
00:48:40
we don't know the answer I think ultimately they're just going to want to integrate it into their own products like that's that's the goal probably is
00:48:46
just to like compete with Microsoft yeah for sure but is there is there going to be value for open AI becoming like the
00:48:51
backbone of AI chat Bots everywhere all over the Internet Google it's going to be like open eye and
00:48:58
everything versus Google in just Google products yeah it's like Google versus Apple sort of open AI has like an API
00:49:04
that lets everyone access it if Google keeps barred just to itself yeah yeah they kind of feel like apple yeah okay
00:49:12
last question would you rather talk if you could do voice chat with your current Voice Assistant which I assume is Google Assistant not Siri would you
00:49:18
rather talk to that or talk to Bard or talk to gbt chat jbt like you mean
00:49:24
without can they speak to me yeah can they speak oh yeah gpt4 of course it's natural
00:49:32
uh I probably can chat GPT still control my lights yeah
00:49:37
I'd probably pick gpt4 yeah can I I would pick gbt can I use a voice do I have to say hey gpt4
00:49:44
yeah that's I actually probably like that better than hey Google sorry to be honest can I use a voice map of Owen
00:49:50
Wilson that's a lot I bet it could figure out a way to do it though yeah yeah easy what if you know when you're
00:49:56
talking to an assistant uh you say like turn on the bathroom lights yeah it does
00:50:01
it you know these language models what if it's like turn on the lights and it's
00:50:07
like how bright and then you're like the brightness is always is and it's like okay but what temperature and
00:50:13
you're like shut up should be fair shut up Google does that too you're like hey turn on the lights okay next time if you
00:50:21
would like to do this you can just ask this if you're wondering how to start your day in the morning Google shut the
00:50:26
okay I just want to turn my lights on my my digital assistant does not do that um which one do you use you tell me you I'm
00:50:34
a I'm a die-hard series supporter I'll die on this hill um no no no no
00:50:41
no they both have access to the soundboard yeah I don't know just the second my smart things start talking to
00:50:48
me like a person that's I it's just you just prefer the random I can't wait every once in a while
00:50:54
my phone in the two and a half years I've owned it has never once accidentally triggered I I don't know
00:51:00
what you take one of the home pods and plug it into your apartment I want you to put one in your apartment and you
00:51:06
will hate Siri watches also trigger this guy all the time is fine but yeah the second it's not just like I did your
00:51:13
thing I'm I'm gonna be so mad I have like I have no patience for anything pretended to be a human being I cannot
00:51:19
wait until voice assistants have GPD style natural language processing integrated I just I'm so now look I just
00:51:26
I'm just very excited to see like what how the world reacts to that because that's basically the uh it's basically
00:51:32
the plot of her so that's what I want wait I don't know how that goes is that a good thing or a bad
00:51:38
thing it's not it's not either it's not not a bad thing okay the
00:51:43
movie is basically this this OS slash spoiler alert it is it's a voice
00:51:49
assistant that comes out that is basically gpt4 but really really good
00:51:56
and can have natural like conversations with you and also has a persona so it's a you know and that's basically
00:52:02
that I don't know we're gonna hit that pretty soon it's it's also a movie about a guy who's having trouble dealing with
00:52:08
feelings of grief and loss and deals with it by trying to marry a language model so I don't know if I would say
00:52:14
this is like a good thing everyone falls in love with their language model it's not just him
00:52:31
if it's not clear I'm uh I'm very very apprehensive about these language models
00:52:37
just saying I'm not unbelievable I don't want it because I think it'll be good I want it because I want to see how the world reacts to it that's see like but
00:52:44
picture if we said that about want to watch the world burn I think we should go to trivia before we cancel ourselves
00:52:50
I want to watch the world burn a little on that note let's do some trivia
00:52:55
trivia dude okay yeah second question also
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brought to you by Ellis's what do you guys want to talk about theme okay and you guys said techno technology and so
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technically it's feet again it's the same thing both questions are technology and feet related all right second
00:53:15
question piezoelectricity is generated when you blank certain materials is it a squish B
00:53:23
poke C melt or D digests
00:53:29
wow yeah think about it Alice came up with these so Kudos whoa
00:53:36
squish right we're gonna have to think about that one that's a squish poke melt
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or Digest and the topic is piezoelectricity we're on ad break now right we'll be right
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back squish [Music]
00:54:01
all right we're back let's talk about nothing
00:54:08
foreign oh my God nothing had an event this week
00:54:14
that's the end of the podcast no uh the the nothing uh year two two is
00:54:21
the name of the new headphones or 150 bucks they are they they had an announcement
00:54:27
event which was basically a live streamed premiere of a thing that they made it was kind of funny actually so
00:54:32
first of all the product itself has new earbuds they look very similar to the last ones what was some small improvements mainly to the sound new
00:54:39
custom drivers uh design is very similar because that's kind of like their thing they already have a certain look and
00:54:45
people like that about it but the case is a little smaller little things like that they did a lot of refinement type things so year two it's out
00:54:52
um but their event was kind of funny because their event was Carl their CEO uh
00:54:58
how do I explain what they did they essentially cosplayed as
00:55:05
several YouTube channels while turning it into a keynote it's
00:55:10
like funny if like if any other company did this we've been like wow that's really weird but for this company it was
00:55:16
like you know nothing is already Carl's baby which is already like leaned very
00:55:22
heavily into the YouTube thing and like the way they do PR is very uh Creator forward which makes a lot of sense but
00:55:29
yeah basically like it opens up with like him wearing the MKBHD hoodie in the
00:55:35
set which looks like he's in our studio but he's not in our studio they recreated our studio from scratch in
00:55:44
their Studio to make it look like he's in our studio and they picked arguably like the hardest quarter of the entire
00:55:49
Studio to replicate because it has a win a giant window yeah and this like steel beam that they had to replicate they
00:55:56
redid the beam like they could have picked one of the just White Corners that we have that would have been super easy but yeah they they replicated a
00:56:03
steel beam and it it's insanely accurate so they did ours yeah and it was I think
00:56:09
I would give them like a 98 out of 100 as far as like accuracy was pretty good literally to the point of like they even
00:56:15
for one of the scenes like screen out the window and like superimposed what
00:56:22
we've had outside our window so like really looked like he was in our studio so anyway it looks really really good it's pretty good yeah I was impressed uh
00:56:29
they also did this for Mr who's the boss iJustine J rig everything Technical guruji and they're pretty good like all
00:56:36
of them are fairly accurate so they sort of use this to have like Carl land in the set and then like use that
00:56:41
YouTuber's style to explain the product so he like lands in our set he's like here's our new product and he's lands
00:56:47
and Justine's set and he's like so it's got these new drivers and the sound is better and he lands and Aaron's set and
00:56:52
he's like it's got these new features so that's how they did it it was kind of clever yep I don't think I've seen anything like that before so I give him
00:56:58
a lot of credit because we've talked about how like some of their past tones were a bit boring so this is just a
00:57:04
slight update on their their headphones so any other company tried to do this exactly and they just did a it was like
00:57:10
20 minutes max right yeah it was very short yeah fun for a couple minutes they just like posted all the final specs
00:57:17
that they again they talked about the product they released it I Kudos I thought it was fun I don't know how
00:57:22
they'll do that again because if they just do the exact same thing again it's going to be boring I think it's a one-off but yeah they did a good job
00:57:29
with it and um the nothing I didn't realize there were 150 150 yeah yeah so I don't know
00:57:37
I'm gonna we're gonna try these as well because I'll check them now we'll see how they go I am still like
00:57:43
I don't know the favorite thing for me about them was the design and that's basically the same as last time so I
00:57:48
still like that about them I I hope they work that would be awesome that was my biggest gripe about the first ones yeah
00:57:53
that's a big ride yeah exactly I had a lot of trouble with the first one so I'm definitely I think we have an extra pair
00:57:59
there I'm gonna grab them and probably start using them tomorrow um as long as they work I'm if they were
00:58:04
still 99 though and they worked as well as the LA or if they actually always charged and whatever I would say that's
00:58:11
awesome I love the design and I'm totally fine spending a little extra for a cool design whether maybe noise
00:58:17
canceling isn't as good as airpods but they fit my ear and they looked cool yeah they just didn't work so let's hope
00:58:23
the Tuesday hopefully that does all the things you ask for them yeah um also I had a little Cameo at the end
00:58:30
which was just like at the literal very end of the keynote it cuts to me like
00:58:35
watching their end of their keynote and disliking it and being like um that was kind of cringe call me when it's the
00:58:41
phone too and I leave so that's actually you know one plus this or one plus nothing is kind of making their own
00:58:47
their little ecosystem now where they have the phone the phone works best with their earbuds but the earbuds still work
00:58:53
really well with others so there's kind of this little mini ecosystem starting to form they'll probably make a phone to
00:59:00
this year what else are they gonna add to their ecosystem we don't really know yet but I could see that sort of
00:59:06
expanding I still think see-through smart speaker with Google Assistant would look really sick the speaker seems
00:59:13
like it makes a lot of sense yeah like designed by like Teenage engineering Vibes like that would look really sick
00:59:19
that would be dope yeah yeah I I gotta say that for the ear twos um the fit of the ear ones were my
00:59:26
favorite thing about them yeah I was like these are really light and they fit really well on my ear and they stay well really well in the ear and I would love
00:59:31
to use them for running they just sounded like um bad so if the ear twos sound better then
00:59:39
I would probably consider them yeah they're using the lhdc codec which is a
00:59:45
common like off-the-shelf high-res audio codec which should be available to anyone any OEM using Android higher than
00:59:54
10. it's not always like added as a feature but it's definitely not a codec
00:59:59
that's like uh you know proprietary right and it's not even locked into any like specific chipset either while we're
01:00:07
talking about audio features no one cares about um it's pretty cool from a nerd
01:00:13
standpoint that they claim they're able to get like one megabit a data Bluetooth data transfer onto this
01:00:20
thing and it's also pretty cool that they're claiming like uh around like 30 milliseconds of latency
01:00:26
yeah latency is always one of those immediate things you notice the second you start using a pair of earbuds with
01:00:32
your phone which is you open up a YouTube video or something yeah and you start watching it and you you notice how
01:00:38
much lag there is between the voices and the people talking on the screen yeah or when you're playing a game and you're
01:00:44
like you hit something with the car on the screen and you don't hear it for a fraction of a second until it gets the
01:00:49
headphones or stuff like that when you're using an app like GarageBand on an iPad and you're you're pressing piano
01:00:55
keys and you can hear it you know not be in time that's what that's what immediately popped into my head like when you're working with a computer like
01:01:02
generally anything above like eight to ten milliseconds of latency makes playing an instrument really really hard
01:01:07
yeah so it should be good should be fun to play with but I appreciated that uh that keynote from the nothing team shout
01:01:13
out to them well played uh but that's kind of it anything else in our little last bit lightning round you want to go
01:01:20
over I don't think so I did thought you started the episode saying you had a special thing you wanted to
01:01:26
talk about that you never mentioned anything yeah we were going to talk about cars and electric cars and then I
01:01:32
was going to throw in a non-electric car oh well we don't care about that this is the waveform well okay I just wanted to
01:01:38
shout out the Bizarro new Dodge that got announced so yes there's a new Dodge
01:01:44
It's the Last Don it's the last call this last call thing it's the last gas powered Dodge yes and so they've just
01:01:51
gone completely all out Bonkers insane and just made it a straight line drag car that happens to be street legal but
01:01:58
the numbers and the specs and what they've built is absurd it is a rear-wheel drive thousand horsepower gas
01:02:06
car running on ethanol meaning not even pump gas you have to get specific race
01:02:11
fuel for it maybe the full 1025 horsepower um and it will do 0 to 60 in 1.66
01:02:19
seconds and it will run the quarter mile in under nine seconds at 151 miles an
01:02:25
hour um which would be a record for a production car for a gas car for sure
01:02:31
it's a challenger too yeah and it's it's literally on racing slicks and can you can buy it with a parachute it comes it
01:02:37
comes by default with no seats other than the driver's seat and you can famously add a passenger seat for a
01:02:43
dollar that's how a dollar yeah yeah it's that type of car can you take it out yeah you just don't buy it or do you
01:02:50
mean if you buy it for a dollar you want to take it out I assume most people are just gonna not have it spec at all so
01:02:56
it's that type of car and my the funny thing about this which is interesting to me is like this story with gas cars for
01:03:03
so long for so long would be sure they're quick off the line but then they
01:03:08
run out of power after 70 miles an hour and you just get blown by by the gas cars this was the electric cars by the
01:03:14
gas cars the gas cars would blow by the electric cars because the EV would have that quick 0 to 60 and that's a cool
01:03:20
headline in a straight line but then the gas cars all overtake them by the end of the quarter mile every single one until
01:03:26
plaid and now if you actually look at the specs the Plaid traps a 9 2 154
01:03:33
quarter mile basically what that means is at the quarter mile Mark The Plaid is going faster despite being behind so
01:03:41
what happened is the Dodge would get out in front with a ridiculous perfect launch 1.6 seconds 0-60 and then the
01:03:49
electric car would pull up behind it and pass it after a quarter mile isn't that it's just it's just backwards it's just
01:03:55
backwards it normally is which was entertaining to me um so I figured I'd throw that out there
01:04:00
I would never Insure One of those if I was an insurance company do you know how many of those are gonna crash getting
01:04:06
out of the lot like have you ever seen the Mustangs like people rear wheel drive for the first time like floored
01:04:12
out of the lot and just eat the median like somebody's gonna this literally is on like Mickey Thompson racing slicks
01:04:18
that are dangerous to drive in the rain like they're you're right if you're an insurance company and you saw this you'd
01:04:24
probably go yeah no thanks thanks but uh yeah it's a Bizarro time in the car
01:04:29
world the last calls are are getting pretty crazy I appreciate they went all out as their last yeah I kind of think
01:04:35
that's awesome yeah yeah and they're also going to make that crazy gigantic remember that Dodge that makes the weird
01:04:40
sounds that electric car they're gonna make we'll see how good that one ends up being but this is uh this will be fun
01:04:45
whenever that car comes out I'm sure we'll see some races against some electric cars my last my last second
01:04:51
news is that really Flex is announcing a modern twin lens reflex uh camera that looks like a phone camera but will
01:04:57
actually probably be digital and it makes me very excited I understood some of those words looks like a film camera is that a benefit
01:05:03
yeah because it's a twin lens reflex camera it has a it has a viewing lens and then a taking lens oh I was gonna
01:05:09
say because we always use dslrs which is a single lens reflex camera yeah right and so a dual lens reflex camera tlr
01:05:16
twin lens reflex twin okay yeah cool yeah so yeah so you basically you're like looking down into the mirror and
01:05:22
like you're taking a pic it's like a super old school style which is fun I'm very excited yeah yeah it's a it's being
01:05:29
announced on 420 so wait do you know what the price is yet no I bet it's gonna be super high I was gonna cut this
01:05:35
until you said it's being announced on 420. now it stays in that's pretty cool yeah I'm excited so that's my last
01:05:41
minute news okay yeah well I think we should get to the trivia answers
01:05:46
I forgot about that I've already written both down I know everything there is to know about feet all right coming back for another round
01:05:53
of trivia we got Marquez coming in with nine points Andrew coming in with seven
01:05:59
points and David with a huge 11 points
01:06:04
bringing him to an average of 1.42 points per game that's kind of sick
01:06:09
actually points per game is nice okay PPG baby uh so yeah let's get into it
01:06:15
okay so this first question was about a 2006 uh service in collaboration with
01:06:21
Nike and apple uh it was a service which had a sensor and a transmitter in your
01:06:27
shoe and would uh send your device some Health Data so what was this service
01:06:33
called so so when I worked at Intel
01:06:41
I was a project manager for their Internet of Things stuff and we worked
01:06:47
with Lenovo to build a smart shoe for Yao Ming that would track like all of his like
01:06:54
jump height and all that sort of stuff I used to be are you supposed to be talking about this yeah I can talk about it okay cool really it released yeah
01:07:02
um but I don't know anything about the competitors useful all right flip them and read
01:07:09
okay oh what Nike Plus Nike plus you
01:07:15
wrote thank you I wrote Nike adapt because that's their most recent their most recently smart shoes yeah and I
01:07:22
figured maybe it was like I got worried Nike Plus was their customization thing but that's NikeiD right okay yeah all
01:07:29
right nice well played I mean it makes perfect sense with like all of Apple's plus things also it's funny that I know
01:07:35
but it does ahead of its time it is funny how well it fits with like Fitness Plus and everything I would have also
01:07:41
accepted uh Nike Plus iPod or Nike Plus iPhone because it was also marketed with
01:07:46
those but Nike Plus is the yeah the general Pop Quiz what was the color of the product Oh I did this the little
01:07:54
you're talking about the insert right it was like orange yeah yeah that makes sense it was a little orange thing yeah
01:07:59
all right next question pie the electricity is generated when you blank
01:08:05
certain materials a squish B poke C melt
01:08:11
or D digests so I did write mine down ahead of time
01:08:18
it's a total guess because I have an ex a description of how I think this
01:08:23
electricity works in my head and it doesn't match any of this I through context clues I think know the
01:08:31
correct answer I bet just based on the way you said that you're probably right I just know it because I'm a God oh okay
01:08:36
cool I think we're ready all right flip them and read
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uh so I wrote poke Arrow poke I wrote melt or oh
01:08:49
all right according to jealous who did all the research on this and was trying to tell me that I mispronounced Piezo
01:08:55
but it's fine um Piezo electricity yeah whatever uh the
01:09:00
answer is squish squish squish what is that what is the root Piezo mean I mean
01:09:05
it has to do with feet I'm realizing okay what okay okay
01:09:12
I'm realizing now after writing this question that a hard enough poke kind of becomes a squish not always well see
01:09:20
that's how I felt writing the question but so many of you guys put poke I'm sorry but I can tell you that my reasoning is not because of that my
01:09:26
reasoning is assuming fee I'm thinking it's similar to like static electricity
01:09:32
where with my feet I'm creating a charge and then poking something and releasing uh unfortunately not the answer is
01:09:39
pretty cool though um if uh you feel I was unfair in this question and I should give them points for poke please tweet
01:09:46
me I should not um but uh so essentially certain materials a lot of crystals like
01:09:52
quartz um have this really cool property where if you you know the the scientific term is if you apply mechanical stress which
01:10:00
is just a fancy way of saying a little squish um if you give them a little squish they'll output electricity at really
01:10:07
really regular intervals likewise if you supply them electricity they will squish
01:10:13
themselves at really really regular intervals right and that is oh my God that's essentially how a quartz watch
01:10:19
works when you supply a low voltage to a piece of quartz IT Supplies this ticking at a very very steady interval that's a
01:10:26
simplification um the way the reason it has to do with the feet stuff is because that's what
01:10:31
we're here for how does this connective feed the sensors in the Nike Plus sensor
01:10:38
are piezoelectric so what it's actually doing is taking the shocks of the impact
01:10:43
I'm so dumb generating an electrical signal and analyzing that wow in 2006 yes well it's a Piezo electronics are an
01:10:50
old technology I think they were invented in like this
01:10:57
but lighters use Piezo crystals certain microphones use Piezo crystals there are
01:11:03
surgeries done by supplying crystals with specific voltages so they vibrate at specific frequencies that can cut
01:11:08
tissue it's like a really really really uh commonly used technology I see the answer it was squish the answer was a
01:11:13
squish that makes sense I completely forgot that this was about feet
01:11:18
would that have changed your answer yeah because why would ice have anything to do with feed ice melts yeah oh yeah fair I also seem
01:11:28
to remember there being some sort of like specialized Tech insole that you could put in your shoe that
01:11:36
would like become a battery and you could charge your phone off of it I don't remember it sounds like a
01:11:41
Kickstarter yeah it was a long time ago but I thought it was cool and there I mean there are phones that there are
01:11:46
prototype phones and smart watches that have come out that charge via um the motion of your body as you walk
01:11:55
I'm trying to remember exactly what that was that so this is like a way over
01:12:00
generalizing oversimplification that's kinetic energy yeah most the way that normally works is you have a stable
01:12:06
magnetic field um and then you push a uh you have a
01:12:12
stable magnetic field generated by a permanent magnet hooked up to a coil and that creates induction and then when you
01:12:18
move a magnet of the opposite pole and you disturb that magnetic or you see the same pole and you disturb the magnetic
01:12:23
field it converts the kinetic energy that you're applying you know when you take two Thomas the Tank engines and you
01:12:29
try to make them kiss the wrong way and then you feel it like pushing against each other in when you fight against that you're
01:12:35
inputting kinetic energy into the system so if there's a coil attached to that
01:12:40
permanent magnet that kinetic energy will actually turn into electrical energy and charge I remember a smart
01:12:45
watch that charges with kinetic energy as well yeah it's actually the the basis of how a microphone works where you have
01:12:52
two diaphragm yeah inside the microphone is too about to kiss Thomas the Tank engines
01:12:58
and when you talk that the moving air pushes one of them towards the other and
01:13:03
it's that disturbing magnetic field I forgot it was about feet so ice wouldn't have made any sense I also forgot it was
01:13:08
about things well I think that that's enough science for the waveform podcast this week I feel like I learned
01:13:14
something though which is good quite enough feet maybe or maybe not
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either way thanks for uh thanks for listening thanks for watching this week and we'll catch you guys the next one peace
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