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Didn't we see like a million concurrent streams on the the US one? 1.2 million
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concurrent on YouTube during the live stream for only the Nintendo US. There
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was Nintendo UK which also had like 200,000 viewers. Like they just said Nintendo Switch 2 in it.
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That was the whole thing. I think they used pounds. Probably that's the only way it was.
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What is up people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Nintendo Switch 2 podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez. I'm Andrew. I'm
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David. Nintendo Switch 2. Nintendo Switch 2. Nintendo Switch 2. Um, and a
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couple other things happened this week, including Nintendo Switch 2 accessories, Nintendo Switch 2 games, and Nintendo
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Switch 2 JoyCons. But let's start with Nintendo Switch 2. Actually, no. Let's
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talk about April Fool's Day. April Fool's April Fool's Day was also this week. It did come out, though. There
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were some solid April Fool's Day uh things. Don't worry, we're gonna talk about the Switch 2. I just felt like, you know, in the transcript, if we have
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a whole bunch of Switch 2, maybe that helps. SEO through the roof. Nintendo Switch 2. And we're going to title it that, right? Nintendo Switch. And the
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thumbnail Nintendo Switch. Okay, perfect. Perfect. Good. Good. It's like the language in Spongebob.
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Do switch. Um, no, we Okay, there were some good April Fool's Day. First of
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all, we did an April Fool's Day short. It was panels. It was all white collection. It was pretty funny. Well
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done. It was It was also just a PSA to like not forget that it's April Fool's Day because lots of things get
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announced. Um, did you guys have favorites? Dbrand had Touch Grass that was which is a real product. I do like
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it when a company releases an April Fool's Day joke and then actually starts selling it. Yes. So, and like not only
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that, but and obviously Dbrand's a sponsor of our channel, so take everything we say with a grain of salt, but disclosure, they wanted to do it
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last year, but they made the skin and it was like flaking off too much. So, they
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it wasn't still a good product even though it's a joke, just like real Astro Turf. So, they fixed it. They fixed it.
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They spent a whole year to wait again to launch it. Yeah. And launched it. And there's a Verge article about actually
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like all the stuff they had to do. like they had to like laser cut the edges which would then sort of like melt the
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sides so like strands wouldn't come out and like 30% of the strands of grass are within the vinyl so it doesn't continue
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to fall out. Um but it's really well done and I kind of want my laptop to be to be grass forever. I kind of want that
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too. Grass laptop would be hilarious. It would be a head turn. Shut up to the coffee shop. That'd be fire to the
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building outside. Yes, it would blend in. I'm still getting comments about
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that. There's still comments about that. Anyway, that would be a good comment. There are outdoor buildings. I just want to make it clear. Uh the Razer Razer
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always does a kind of silly one. And they didn't disappoint again this year. They did the Razer Skiibbidity. Yes. The
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headset that lets you translate normal speak into online Skippy. It's both
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ways. It's both. So it it translates Gen Z slang into plain English and it
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translates your plain English into Gen Z slang. Is it like Jenzie slang or is it like brain rot? It's brain rot. Yeah.
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Yeah. Which, you know, same thing. Same thing. It It was pretty well done. They always
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do like above and beyond on the actual video aspect. I thought it was going to be cringe when I just saw the thumbnail
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that just said Razor Skippidity and I was like, "Oh no." But actually, it was quite well done. Yeah. Well produced ad.
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Funny. There was also an Elgato Stream Deck desk where the entire desk was just
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Stream Deck buttons, which for some reason feels like something else would seem to be like, I'm in. I can control
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my entire computer with macro buttons. Yeah. I mean, there there's a company called X Keys that makes a product
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that's not that far away from that. And uh it's occurred to me a few times, a
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couple times. Just every time you lean your elbow down, there's like By the way, Ellis is back. Ellis is back, baby.
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Let's go back. More buttons is more good. Hard agree. Too bad it's an April
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Fool's joke. I know. But yeah, incredible video for that, by the way. Yeah, it was Blue Sky changed their
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character limit. Well, for one day. For one day. I saw that notification and I was like, "Oh, like I forgot that it was
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April Fool's Day." I was like, "Oh, okay. New character limit." Yeah. And then I had to remember. Yeah. Yeah. They went from 300 to 299. Yeah. For one day.
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So impressive. I wonder how many people that actually upset. You know, there's someone who had to go put like a I can't
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put the period in my sentence anymore. Wait, actually, so I just watched the the desk trailer for the first time.
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There is another company that makes something shockingly similar to this called Monome, like M O N O M E. Uh,
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it's not quite as large, but um, this exists. If you want the stream desk,
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check out Monome if you're like me. Yeah, that if you can't get enough
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buttons, you can finally have all the buttons that Wait, can I talk about the next uh the next one? Because this is
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this is really So, Flight Radar tracked a Concord flight. They they put it on
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Air France or whatever the French carrier that used to do it. And uh my favorite part of that is uh Flight Radar
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tweeted it. Um they were like, "Check it out." And a bunch of people really confused, not knowing it was April
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Fool's Day, trying to figure out if it was real or not, all went like grock at ask perplexity like, "Is this real?" And
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they were all just like, "This is real, baby. They're flying hallucinates ever." No,
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they were just in on the joke. They're so in tune with modern day human activity that Grock is April Fools and
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people out here. AI is famously good at They're just doing it every day instead of only April Fools. Nice. Yeah. Very
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nice. Who wants to describe the the Nothing earbuds cuz I missed that one. Yeah. So, they quote unquote launched a
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new set of earbuds that is very similar to the ear opens that they have, but it
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has a 164 ft cable. Uh, and the idea is that you get 3.5 mm audio quality, but
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you don't have to give up on the range that you get from Bluetooth. Wait, but they also put them on their like weird
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open ones apparently. So, you get the pure quality in the headphones that
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don't even seal into your ear. I imagine it was to make it more obvious that there was an April Fool's Day joke. Um,
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50 m cable is still hilarious. Yeah, it's awesome. Honestly, I'd be down. I'm I'm sort of a hater of when companies
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make audio products that are like more expensive just cuz they have a balanced connection. But this is the one hypothetical product that absolutely
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needs a balanced connection. The thing though, like think I would love to be able to play Dota in my living room and
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be able to walk to my kitchen, grab a drink, use the bathroom, and never have to take my headphones off. This is fair.
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Without using the Sonos. I live in an apartment that has so much lead that I would never I would never be able to
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have my Bluetooth connection go through both my walls. That's which is the downside. There's no way
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your walls are filled with solid lead. They just have lead pipes. That's what you think. Do you know like but do you
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have to still be hearing when you walk to the kitchen? Well, if I'm on like voice chat with a friend or something, you can't just be like, "Be right back.
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Hey, one second." I could. Of course I could. What do you think I do now? You run the risk of doing that as the
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wireless headset where then you accidentally like go to the bathroom to take a piss and then forget to mute it
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and then everyone in your voice chat. Look, this is real life, baby. You got to experience everything if you want to
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have it. It's going to happen. Anyway, nothing. Please make this. I will I will
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buy it. Wait, David, I owe you an apology. Lead paint, it seems like, can stop electromagnetic. Well, if you eat
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it, but it also can uh slow down. I have to tell you guys something. So, yesterday I was cleaning my apartment
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and I was putting a tripod up on this like shelf that I have in my apartment.
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But the week after I moved in, um, the apartment above me flooded and so it like created like this crack in the
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ceiling. So, I was putting the tripod up and it scraped against the ceiling and a ton of lead paint and dust like fell on
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me. And now I'm a little concerned. Don't worry. If you buy a Nintendo
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Switch 2, it'll fix everything. You know what? You're right. Anyway, we can move on. I just have two more quick ones. Um,
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Monkey Type, one of my favorite websites, just went to Comic Type, so it was all comic sands. And I actually
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thought that one did trick me cuz we've been using Monkey Type for a studio video we're doing and I was like, I
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don't think I changed this to Comic Sands. Wait, I just went back and it's still comic sands. Is it really? April Fools. Gotcha. It's not.
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That's the cardinal sin. You can't do April Fool's not on April Fools. My bad. Wait, no. I was wrong again. Lead has no
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significant effect on nonionizing radiation. I just did not want to leave that out here. It's effective
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significant effect on my brain development. Yes. And ionizing radiation, but not the stuff that's in phones and routers. Sorry. It's okay.
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You spent too long correcting that. There's already 30 comments telling me you're wrong, so it doesn't matter. I'm over 25. My frontal lobe was developed.
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The And the last one is Novel Keys, a keyboard website, um, made the any key set. And this is a real, like you
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mentioned before, you like when people actually make it. This is a real GM case GMK set you can buy. I don't know if you
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guys remember the Simpsons sketch, but there's an episode where he's working from home and he's on his computer and
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he's trying to figure out how to use it and says, "Press any key to start." And he's like, "Huh, where's the any key?" And then he's like, "The es key, the
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control key." Is that what it's for? So you can buy a whole entire keyboard set of every single key says any key on
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which is not too different from just the blank key cap sets for the hardcore users. I loved the blank keyboard sets.
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I had a DOS keyboard back in the day with all black keys. Maybe that's why I'm decent at typing cuz I had to like memorize where things were. I played
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Typing of the Dead for fun. Damn. That's right. It's on Steam. It's on Steam. No way. Oh my god. I know. All right. I
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can't believe you did not put on this list the Dolingo cruise. The Dolingo 5year Duolingo Dolingo cruise where you
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visit every country and learn how to speak their language. And if you don't if you break your streak, the Dolingo
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owl like shoots you down a shoot out the cruise ship. Yeah, Duolingo always nails it on April Fools for sure. Yeah. Um,
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okay. Let's talk about something that maybe should have been an April Fool's joke but wasn't. YouTube Shorts views
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change. Do you want to describe this, Marquez? Yeah. Okay. So, YouTube Shorts
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are changing the way they count views. All right. Next. Now, it's interesting
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because right now when you look at YouTube Shorts, you just see the views counter. And views aren't counted as soon as you open it. Views are counted
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when you watch a certain amount of time, just like a regular YouTube video. But that amount of time is a secret because they don't want people to be able to bot
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it and game it. So there is some algorithm depending on the length of the short and the engagement blah blah blah at which point you've counted as a view.
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But YouTube's announced that they're going to add now a distinction. So there's going to be two view counts
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essentially for shorts. One is just views that start counting the second you
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open a short. So an impression. So just one view. You could watch it all the way through. You could watch the first 0.3
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seconds of it. But every single uh starting to play the short counts as a
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view and then you loop it and it's another view and you loop it and it's another view. But engaged views will
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still be the same formulated calculated view as before. So short will have
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engaged views and it'll have views which will be way way way higher probably
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because if you have a close rate of let's say 60% for a short you'll have 60% more views because of how often
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people closed it. Is this just to distinguish if people are actually watching shorts because the algorithm
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just feeds you shorts non-stop and you don't really select what shorts you want to watch? Yeah, I'll be honest. I don't
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know what anybody gets out of this. Like I when I think of who gains something
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from this, like YouTube maybe just gets to show way higher view numbers and they feel good about that. Whatever. I feel like Facebook made that same mistake
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already. Why are we doing that? And Twitter also remember Twitter shows impressions on Twitter. Yeah. But um as
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a creator like when I see a higher number of engaged views, that's still telling me the information I need to
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know. But a higher number of views, all that means is it was served more times. I think for short do anything to make it
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get served more time. It's just an impression. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like there's nothing I don't think that my titles or tags or anything are making it
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be served more. I think it once it's successful and has more engaged views then it gets served more to more audiences. But I don't understand what I
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learn from higher creator. Like I don't know what I get. Oh, the algorithm decided that I was lucky today. I mean,
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they even said that like this isn't really going to impact personal creator metrics because old what used to be
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views is now just what like engaged views is what they're calling it inside
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of your analytics. So like it's not going to impact your earnings or I'm assuming your recommendations or earnings through YouTube shorts. Yeah.
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Well, but even though just to like get into the partner program through like it used to be x amount of views, it's now x
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amount of engage views which is the old views. So, the new views are definitely just this like public facing YouTube
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being like, "Hey, Tik Tok, that person got a billion views." We also want to say that
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we had somebody get a billion views and look cool. The question is, how does Tik Tok count views? I'm assuming I don't
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know. I would assume the same way because some of those numbers but like we all collectively as creators
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understand that like views on platforms mean different things like like a thousand views on YouTube probably means
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like we understand that but do regular people understand that cuz regular people see views on Twitter and just
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think that that's the same as views on YouTube and I think if you're in the industry then you you're paying for ad
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rates then you have to know about the distinctions but I think I think regular people probably don't know. I would argue the ad rate pay people don't
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understand it either. Then they won't be in business for very long. But yeah, I think I think we have to know the
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difference between a view and like a full view all the way through. Like we look at like how long people watch
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individual videos. So we have view count, but we also have engagement numbers and metrics to sort of figure out how successful video is. This uh I
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don't know what I get from this. It's it's YouTube patting themselves on the back and being able to be like
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probably so they can sell more ads inside of their shorts player because they can be like look how many views we're getting in this and not use
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impressions anymore even though it's just the same thing. You just changed the name. I guess it's just impressions. I mean that's what Twitter did. That's
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what Twitter did. Yeah. Yeah. They just harped on Twitter pretty hard for it. Wait, I have a question. You were saying
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that basically the views to get into the partner program remain the same. Yes. So
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this doesn't make it harder or easier to get into the partner program. Changes nothing. It changes. What we were
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calling views before are now being called engaged views and that is still
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what's being counted for for monetary stuff for partner program stuff. That
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stays the same. So basically the only thing that this tells you is how often you were fed into the algorithm. Yes.
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How often it popped up on someone's screen essentially which is like do you remember years ago when like Facebook
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first like scrolling through your feed if a video just popped in they counted it as a view because Facebook wanted
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videos to seem more important on Facebook. Well that's it's also saying YouTube says this is an article from Techrunch says YouTube says that it's
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making the change because it heard that creators want to understand how often their shorts are actually seen. The idea
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is that creators can now better showcase the full extent of their reach. But they could do that already. It was in their
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analytics. But can I can I play devil's advocate for one sec here? No. I'm putting myself in the shoes of a
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professional short form video creator like only short form, right? And you
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have to self- advocate sell ads for yourself. Mhm. And it seems like on all
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the major platforms, Tik Tok, Instagram, X,
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I don't know if Blue Sky does short form video scrolly feeds, but they do now. They do now. Blue Sky. Um, you have
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effectively one way of measuring your views for that. And then YouTube is on this island. And I could imagine it
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would disincentivize those like professional creators from using YouTube as much because now all of a sudden they
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need to provide two one sheets, two analytics papers. Yeah. To their ad folks. So maybe it's just about to align
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with the rest of the evening playing field among other misrepresented. Yeah, I was going to say no. I I also
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fundamentally disagree with this, but I could see it actually in a weird way being for creators. I agree with you in
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that the best way this helps a creator is like I get to bring this to third party brand and try and do a brand deal
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with that. But this is only going to last for x amount of time before they realize like oh wait these views I'm not
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getting the ROI like I was and these views are different and now I need to change if they're smart enough. Totally.
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But now a creator could package all of the view numbers from all their platforms into one number and have that
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be a more genuine number because it's all counted the same way. still would have to hit the same on every and
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there's still different levels of we do times where like even if you if you think Tik Tok and reals are similar like
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we do videos that get 50,000 on a real and 500,000 on a Tik Tok or vice versa
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all the time also I still think you need to generally package your things differently per platform but also
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devil's devil's advocate devil it just allows YouTube to say to go to
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advertisers and just be like but look we're like look how many views we get on our platform like you should advertise
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with us and yeah impressions on long form videos have never been public so only the creator has been able to go
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into the analytics find the impressions number and then go to the company and go this is how many impressions my videos are getting as a advertiser I don't care
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how many impressions you're getting it's not helpful to me I want to know how many people actually click on it because an impression is my thumbnail got showed
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in some search results or some browse feature somewhere and I scrolled right past it. That's an impression. Yeah. I
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don't care about advertising in that video if that impression if they didn't click. So, I only care about engaged
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views, people who go in and click and watch the video. Do you think advertisers or brands that want to work with creators like know the distinction?
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I guess I thought they did. And I think to be a good one, you have to, but maybe
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not all. Here's here's a little inside baseball. Okay. I I know very a lot of
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um people who work for agencies that work for brands. And the brand just tells the agency, get me this much
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reach. They don't care about what's technically correct. They don't care about, you know, because the agency just
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needs to hit the quota and they don't necessarily worry about will this actually have influence. Will this
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actually have real reach? I can just put a number on a sheet and then I get paid. The more you abstract away the person
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who actually wants the result, the less it matters whether or not that result is real. So now YouTube's back in the
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playing field for all those who just want the numbers. I mean considering like most of the advertising world is
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run by agencies and people who are not being directly paid to get more views. I
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just think that number will change with this change because they're going to realize eventually like we're aiming for this number because in our minds it
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equals X return on investment and now that number is not getting us the same amount of return on investment anymore.
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So we need to bump that number higher. But the rest of the industry about the rest. So, like, will they realize it or
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will they just keep getting the views and then moving on with their lives? I think that's that's their job. Probably the more likely. I mean, people are
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going to lose a lot of money. But I also agree that I think most agencies and companies are using social media really
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poorly and have no because if you just have a job and you're just working for someone and they just give you a quota, you're just going to hit the quota. You
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don't have like a personal incentive to actually have influence. I yeah, I still
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think this is stupid and YouTube made a mistake on this and it's just an But also think about from YouTube's
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perspective where if literally everyone else is lying to everybody and then YouTube looks like they suck as a
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platform, like what are you supposed to do? Every marketer is getting paid to hit 1 million impressions. And so if
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you're a marketer and you're getting paid to hit a million impressions and you're going to go pay and get a bunch of ads, where am I going to go? I'm going to go to Tik Tok and Reels and the
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ones that have the highest numbers, right? And so this puts YouTube back on the map for them to spend money. Even though they're lying, even though
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they're all lying the same way now, at least they're back in the playing field. Do you think there's a reason, and this can be the last note on this because
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we've probably gone too off back, but like is there a reason we get this? Wait, wait, wait, wait. Nintendo Switch
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2, Nintendo Switch. Yeah, thanks for keeping everyone engaged for one more second. I just like, have you noticed we
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don't ever remember any of these marketers or anything because they probably all go out of business in like two years because they're all basically
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just doing really poorly for the companies by promising this stupid. So like none of us love agencies, dude. We
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get we'll get an a like 10 different agencies in two years reach out for the same company because like they're all
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terrible and all playing the game wrong. So is that really a benefit now? I don't
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know. It's stupid. We live in a society. YouTube, you guys are doing great already. You don't need to fake like
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this to uh but shareholder value. Shareholder value for a brief. Do you want the boat to sink? Get. Yeah. Do you
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want I don't know why this made me so mad. Dual lingo cruise to sink. Do you just remember our numbers on Twitter
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videos? It was like it said you had like 5 million views and 4.9 million of them xed out in the first one second. It was
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Dude, it makes no sense. I'm the only one who saw that number. Yeah. Most agencies though do request analytic
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screenshots afterwards, so I think they'll catch on to it sooner than later. We shall see. Moving on. Nintendo
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Switch 2. Uh, actually, no, not Nintendo Switch too. Just a couple other small
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things um that weren't actually that small, but we'll just talk about them briefly. uh $33 billion small bank. Um
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in a what is most likely a reshuffleling of money and investor capital in order to get uh an easier way to raise money,
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XAI has acquired X, which is just a fancy way of saying nothing. Feel like
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that that kid at the in the David Blaine sketch where like he does the card trick to him and or he does the coin trick and
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makes it disappear off the top of his hand and he stares at it for a few seconds and just goes
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cool. That's my reaction to this headline. Yeah. I think all of this just has to do with the ability for X to keep
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running and raising capital because now if X is owned by XAI, XAI can easily raise capital. X cannot eas easily raise
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capital because of all the problems they've gone through and how they're overleveraged on on Tesla shares. So, it
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kind of seems just like a way to keep X running because it's super easy to raise XAI capital. Forbes was reporting, and
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this is like a I think I agree with you, but the the other small part of the story is that this makes it easier for
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Grock to get trained on Twitter user data, which they were already doing, but now it's more in line with US privacy
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laws now that they technically own all that user data. I will not comment. Cool.
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Awesome. Cool. Okay, we'll move on. Something else AI is screwing up. Uh yeah. Uh so you guys might have seen
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over the weekend there was a big uh thing that happened where everybody started making themselves
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gibilified because OpenAI released their image generation model uh that is built into chat GPT that is much more
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realistic and way better. It's the uh 40 model. So it's the the deep thinking
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model and it just kind of caught fire that people started making themselves into a studio studio Giblly kind of
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character. Yeah. You would like upload a photo and say, "Can you make this in like a studio gibly animation style?" Um
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so Sam Alman tweeted, "The chat GPT launched 26 months ago was one of the craziest viral moments I'd ever seen and
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we added 1 million users in 5 days. We added 1 million users in the last hour.
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That was over the weekend because of the amount of people who wanted to do this because the 40 model at first was just
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released to uh OpenAI plus subscribers and then they released it to everyone later. So, everyone just wanted to make
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Studio Gibli versions of themselves. This is highly ironic um because Studio
00:24:42
Gibli's creator notably hates AI based animation and famously said that it was
00:24:49
an insult to life itself. If you haven't seen that video, I showed it to Marquez like explaining this to him the other
00:24:55
day. It's so good. Yeah, it's so cool. It's from a few years ago, but basically
00:25:00
someone had shown him, look, this was generated with AI and he was like, "This is the most disturbing thing I've ever
00:25:05
seen." Um, yeah, it was from a documentary. I think the it was it came
00:25:11
out in 2016, something like that. But I will say in their defense, although I do agree with Miyazaki, but the clip that
00:25:18
they showed him that AI made was really grotesque. It was for a horror movie and
00:25:23
he was like, "Why would anyone want to do this?" Like, I think he literally says like, "If you want to make creepy, go do it somewhere else. Like, don't I'm
00:25:30
never putting this in my films." Something like that. It's weird. I have seen both sides of this on my timeline.
00:25:36
I know it's hard to believe there's two sides, but side number one is using AI to create art, stealing from
00:25:44
the studio art, like not asking permission, all the negatives of it. And the other side was honestly, it's pretty
00:25:50
good. Actually, the the way I saw it, the way I saw it was I posted um the the
00:25:57
last video, we had this really cool thumbnail that Tim made, which was the the chat GPT logo like falling out of
00:26:03
the iPhone with Apple intelligence and talking about that stuff. And I I posted like the before and after of like the idea behind it and then the final
00:26:10
result. And a lot of people were like, "Oh, I thought you made this with AI." And then they started trying to make it
00:26:16
with AI themselves and they were like, "Yeah, I could have made that with AI. Here's a version with AI. here's a bunch of versions I just made with AI and they
00:26:22
weren't very good but that is a real person that exists that's like whatever like I could just make it with AI not
00:26:28
everybody has access to a team Marquez like you got to just be able to make art for free and cheap and at a certain point it's going to be faster and better
00:26:35
so you might as well just get on board with AI anyway I saw that crowd on Twitter too so I'm not shocked that this
00:26:41
blew up and people were all entertaining themselves by just making Studio Gibli versions of whatever they could think of
00:26:46
memes famous videos famous movies, whatever. Um, but yeah, that was an
00:26:52
interesting narrative. What I did enjoy was there was a lot of people who were like making art of themselves and then people were were like quote tweeting
00:26:59
them and being like this you and it was like their last tweet from two days ago being like, I can't believe this person
00:27:05
stole my video clip and used it for this. Yeah, that was that was quite funny. If uh if you think Studio Giblly
00:27:13
movies are so moving because Miyazaki draws really good, you're um
00:27:19
you're missing the point. Like, like that's great that you can use a robot to poop out something that looks like it
00:27:26
was drawn by him, but if you think that that is the same as like making something as like touching as those
00:27:32
films are, like go for it, but you're totally going to replace artists. You're
00:27:37
going to do such a good job out there. I did see someone make a point though saying, you know, yes, you can make
00:27:42
these AI cartoons in like seconds now, but it took that studio decades of work
00:27:50
to get to that point. So, this isn't going to be the case like forever. Like, you still need artists doing their
00:27:55
thing. I think that's a super fair point in a lot of things is how long it takes to get somewhere cuz I think a lot of
00:28:00
people even in, you know, what we do are like, how come Marquez can make a 15minute video and it can make all this
00:28:06
money? He's like cuz he's dedicated 17 years of his life to getting to this point with that audience. Like there's
00:28:12
always more to it than just the initial output in that time. But yeah, and also
00:28:18
originality is missing. Like when you train something on something existing,
00:28:23
you can make derivative work, but you can't you I guess by definition can't make original work. It's always trained
00:28:29
on something. What would be cooler as a gift? a picture of you in Studio Gibbly form that was drawn by the creator or by
00:28:36
AI like one of those is going to touch you a little a little more. Yeah, I think that one's impossible to get but
00:28:42
well that's like a very deep conversation in sort of the artificial intelligence community. It's like aren't
00:28:48
people also just combinotaurics of things that they've experienced and learned? True. Uh that's the whole
00:28:54
that's the whole argument. That's the devil's advocate. That's the devil's advocate. But we've got to talk about Nintendo Switch 2. We don't have time to
00:28:59
get into that. Yeah. Nintendo Switch 2 trivia. Nintendo Switch 2 ad break. Trivia break. We'll do Nintendo Switch 2
00:29:05
trivia. They sponsored this episode. That would have been awesome. Nintendo. I guess we couldn't talk about that.
00:29:11
That'd be that would be bad. Yeah, we would never do that. But you know what we would do? Nintendo Switch 2. Uh bring
00:29:18
Ellis back from Mexico with an absolute banger of a trivia question. Hit the air horn. Let's go. All right. Uh so we had
00:29:26
a bunch of great April Fools jokes uh from companies this year. none that were super annoying, which was really nice.
00:29:32
But I have in front of me four April Fool's jokes from tech companies in
00:29:37
years prior, and you need to tell me which one I, Ellis, made up. The first
00:29:43
one, Tesla goes bankrupt. April Fool's Day 2018. Elon literally tweeted an
00:29:49
announcement of Tesla's bankruptcy. He did that. B. Google Mic drop from
00:29:56
2016. Google added a feature to Gmail. So there's the send button and then there's the send with mic droprop button
00:30:02
right next to it. When you hit the send with mic droprop button the whole point of it was they said it will be the way
00:30:08
to have the last message in any email chain. And when you hit the send with mic drop button I can't reply you know
00:30:14
it adds a gif of a minion dropping a mic to your email. Uh, and unfortunately
00:30:20
they removed the feature before the end of the day because so many people were hitting it accidentally because surprise
00:30:26
the average Gmail user does not read the Google blog. That made um that made the world better. I would pay extra for
00:30:33
that. Even though that is super cringe and super Google thing to do. Uh I would
00:30:39
love to see the amount of corporate emails that accidentally get. So enterprise and education users did not
00:30:44
get the feature for that exact reason. Allegedly, if it's real. allegedly if it's real. I mean, I pretend like it's
00:30:50
real until for all these until the end. You've done this before. Uh C. Hulu launches a new service called Who for
00:30:57
8second clips of their shows. Um people have actually launched that before. Yeah.
00:31:03
It's called Wooby. Foo. Wait, that's a real one. We got
00:31:09
tagged in one the other day that was like, yeah, every time you guys make one up, another one comes out and it was it was movie. Movie. Yeah, but Mo has been
00:31:16
for a while. Okay. And the last one, D, the Nikon D5100 selfie mode from 2011.
00:31:23
So the iPhone 4 had just come out. First iPhone with the selfie camera. People were really, really into it. So, for
00:31:30
April Fool's Day, they announced that their D5100, the mirror was getting an extra 45° of tilt, allowing light from
00:31:38
the viewfinder to hit the sensor, effectively giving it a selfie camera
00:31:43
with like two photons total. That's pretty funny. Interesting. That's pretty
00:31:49
funny. Damn. Okay, so I got to think of which one is made up cuz the rest are real. Yeah, but we'll think about it.
00:31:55
Answers will be at the end like usual. We'll be right back. Nintendo Switch 2. [Music]
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get your podcasts. All right, welcome back to the Nintendo Switch 2 podcast. We've got some Nintendo Switch 2 to talk
00:34:33
about, believe it or not. Surprisingly, um, this week Nintendo fully unveiled,
00:34:39
detailed Switch 2 specs, games, compatibility, features, accessories, a
00:34:44
whole bunch of stuff, price tag, release date that we hadn't known. So, it's all out there now, and people can decide now
00:34:50
really if they're going to spend their money on the Switch 2. It was never an option for me. I mean, you were always
00:34:56
going to spend the money, but now you know how much money you're in for. They could have said any number because now it's it's a little more than I want to
00:35:02
spend. But if it was a lot more than I wanted to spend, I'd have been like, "Well, that's how it is." Well, for
00:35:08
those wondering, $449. If you were somehow under a rock,
00:35:13
if you're if you're a gamer, you cannot afford that. I'm sorry. If you were under a rock the past couple days,
00:35:19
because didn't we see like a million concurrent streams on the the US 1.2 two
00:35:25
million concurrent on YouTube during the live stream for only the Nintendo US.
00:35:31
There was Nintendo UK which also had like 200,000 viewers. Like they just said Nintendo Switch 2 in it.
00:35:38
That was the whole thing. I think they used pounds. Probably the only way I think the day we're recording this. So look, I'm trying to immerse myself back
00:35:45
in the Switch one and really get ready to make this video. But we're recording this on Wednesday and I'm planning on making a Switch 2 hands-on video
00:35:51
tomorrow on Thursday. I'm so jealous. And I'm doing this because lots of people are asking about the Switch 2.
00:35:57
It's clearly very popular, but I've been trying to figure out how many people are going to watch the Switch 2 video. And I think now it's going to be a lot. It's
00:36:03
going to be um it's going to be 15 million. No, no, no, it's not going to be that crazy. I mean, the the last crazy video that was kind of like the
00:36:10
same vibes was the PS5 cuz it's it's every seven years or something crazy.
00:36:15
Eight years and so all the hype gets built up and then we unboxed the PS5 and it had like 10 million views in two days or something. 15 million. It had a
00:36:22
million. This is the only video I've ever made that had a million views in the first hour. This will get that PlayStation 5 unboxing. This will get
00:36:28
that. So, I don't think it's I don't know if it'll be quite as much, but it should still be interesting to see, you
00:36:33
know, how many people I'm with PS5 this week. PS5 also came out 2020. So, at the
00:36:39
end of co there was so much going on, so much that gained 100,000 subscribers just from that video. Yeah, it was
00:36:45
crazy. And we made it at 8:00 at night. Yeah, it was just unboxing. I couldn't even turn it on or do anything. I just
00:36:51
unboxed it. this will do that. So, this is this is the hands-on, but what we learned this week uh was all the details
00:36:58
of all the new things with Switch 2 versus Switch one. So, the price tag is one of them. It's $4.49. Uh from there,
00:37:04
I mean, some basic spec improvements. We don't have like CPU GPU details, but we have a larger screen obviously with a
00:37:10
thinner bezel. It's still the same thickness of a console, so it'll just kind of feel like flat and bigger. I
00:37:16
love that it's a 1080p 120 Hz display. It's an LCD. 7.9 in 7.9 in HDR support.
00:37:23
120 Hz. I I love that. Look, everyone says you don't notice 120 Hz versus 60. That is not even Does anyone say that?
00:37:30
Yeah, cuz every every time we talk about the iPhone, I'm like, it's 60 Hz. I can't believe it's still 60 Hz. And then all the internet goes, nobody can tell
00:37:36
anyway. And now the Switch 2 comes out and everyone's like, "Yeah, 120 Hz. I've been waiting for this." The biggest problem in the iPhone is it's like the
00:37:43
home screen that's 120 Hz on the iPhone. And like most apps are still 60. That's the problem. No, most apps are 120. It's
00:37:48
like the mapping apps are still 60 and like a couple, but most of the apps are 122. And I noticed that with scrolling
00:37:55
through everything and like moving around the UI. Maybe it's a screen size thing. Yeah. I mean, on this big of a
00:38:01
screen, you got to go 120. I'm just like all for all the people who have been yelling about how nobody notices the
00:38:06
difference between 6120. I better not see you buying a Switch 2 for this feature. Okay. But it has 120 now. So,
00:38:12
there you go. Uh, it'll do 4K out to the dock to a TV. So, that's awesome, too. 60. 4K 60. Okay, that is reasonable
00:38:19
though because most TVs do not go over 60. Most of your TVs are 4K. I know there are some interpol.
00:38:26
Yeah, that you should turn off. But that's good to see. But the other big new thing I think with the Switch 2, aside from that stand, which I think is
00:38:32
nice, is the new Joy-Cons, the new controllers are massively updated. First of all, I think my favorite feature is
00:38:37
the magnets. How they connect to the side of how they work. How they how the magnets work. Yeah. Uh the SLDL buttons.
00:38:44
Sorry. SL SR SL SR The buttons are called SR.
00:38:52
Yeah, SLS SR. Those buttons at the top are much bigger. They're also made of steel metal that interacts directly with
00:38:58
the magnets inside of the Switch 2, which is how they stay connected. That's how they work. So, they double they double function as buttons and
00:39:05
connecting with magnets. Unfortunately, we thought that there was going to be a polarity switcher. It is much simpler
00:39:12
than that. There's a piece of plastic that pushes it off of it, which is fine.
00:39:17
Totally fine. It is fine. Um, they're also they have like bigger bigger buttons. They added a button, which is
00:39:24
the C button, which is how we we can talk about that software feature in a second. I think the Joy-Cons in general
00:39:29
being bigger just like it was always so cool. you could, you know, break a controller to have two controllers, but
00:39:35
they were always ergonomically small. Horrible. And like you needed to put that extra little like wrist wrap bigger
00:39:41
button connector onto it where this looks way better to play with uh horizontally detached. Yeah. By itself.
00:39:48
Yeah. It also has uh mouse support. So, they kept doing this thing where they turned it sideways and put it on a table. And I I suppose there's like an
00:39:54
optical sensor in it so you can do things like moving it around, rotating, and there are games that support mouse
00:40:00
control with the Joy-Cons. I haven't thought that that was a good idea yet, but I want to try it. They were showing
00:40:06
a golf game where you could like move the putter around and change the angle. Cool. This kind of feels like the most
00:40:11
gimmicky part of the Switch to me. Yeah. I think my overall take with the Switch is they didn't miss on any of the things
00:40:17
that we were hoping for. But then some of the extra stuff on top is like, oh, okay, interesting. I will take gimmicks
00:40:22
on top of everything we wanted. Like I'm mad at gimmicks when they didn't give us
00:40:28
something that we asked for. But if they gave us the 4K bigger screen, 120, all
00:40:34
of that stuff and then give me a gimmick. Cool. Like the PS5 controller uh triggers that have the like different
00:40:40
feedback. It's not in that many games. It's kind of gimmicky. But you had everything else on the So I was pumped.
00:40:46
I wish more games supported that. I'm less pumped about the mouse thing than the PS5 controller trigger. But yeah,
00:40:52
huge quality of life update. Extra USBC port on the top. Uh, as someone who is just using their Switch for the first
00:40:58
time in a while a couple of days ago and it's dead, it is extremely hard to use
00:41:04
at all while it is charging because it has to charge from the bottom. Yeah. So, if you're not playing docked, it's hard. So, now you can plug it in from the top.
00:41:10
That can also be used to plug in different accessories like the camera, which we will talk about later. Yeah.
00:41:15
One more thing, um, in terms of if you're playing it standing up like on your thing, the new, um, kickstand has
00:41:22
multiple different angles that it can adjust to as well, which is really awesome. Um, the Switch OLED had a new
00:41:28
kickstand, too, that was way better and it was made of metal. Very cool. As good with the same amount of things as it did. It went down very, very far. Kind
00:41:35
of like a Surface Pro. So, yeah. So, yeah, these new accessories are interesting. So, like we said, it has
00:41:40
two USBC ports. So it can be docked and then on that top USBC port you can plug in the Switch 2 camera. And basically
00:41:47
the way I feel like I was watching this video and Nintendo's just acknowledging that the Switch is a very social console
00:41:54
and there are people who have switches who are not in the same place and they can still take advantage of all playing
00:42:00
the same game and making it feel as social as possible. We're all used to Zoom and being on these little like
00:42:06
video squares and we all see each other. So, you point this camera at yourself and a lot of Switch 2 games will will
00:42:13
actually have a feature built in where it will like include your picture over your, you know, your video game stream
00:42:18
as you're playing the game. So, if you're playing a game, you can see other people playing the same game or different games at the same time. You
00:42:24
have a microphone on the top. You can chat with your friends. You can see your friends. Apparently, it's got AI noise
00:42:30
cancellation, so if other noises are happening in the room and the switches across the room, it can still pick up your voice. Yeah. So, it's a more social
00:42:37
experience. You don't just see the character on the screen. You see your friends with the camera. Like a big part of the camera is this new feature called
00:42:44
game chat, which is included if you have Switch online, but you have to you pay
00:42:49
for it unfortunately after free for a year. You get the free first year. Yeah. After like the beginning of next year.
00:42:55
Um, but basically what this lets you do, like you were kind of talking about, is it will show your main screen on your
00:43:02
screen, but then it also shows the screens of your friends that you're playing with. Yeah. And the cool thing,
00:43:07
like you mentioned, is that you can be playing the same game and it'll show their games at the bottom. You can also
00:43:13
be playing different games. And if you have the camera, it does this sort of like AI cutout thing where it cuts out
00:43:19
your head and like stitches it to the corner. Yeah. Mario Kart or Mario Party. And I
00:43:25
think that is really important. Like during when everyone's playing like
00:43:31
Animal Crossing together and Super Smash Bros. together and stuff, you didn't really have that party experience from
00:43:37
like being in person with people and like seeing their reactions and like that. That's a huge part of the fun.
00:43:42
Yeah. Of gaming with people. And so being able to actually see their reactions in their face is very cool. In
00:43:48
Mario Party, it's one step further where generally you would have like the little circle next to your character that would
00:43:54
show your avatar. Now it just shows straight up your cam your face and your camera feed. So like attached to your
00:44:00
character playing Mario Party, your faces right there. Like that's a awesome way of doing it. I mean, everyone who
00:44:06
plays games on like the computer, they're used to having Discord and party chat. I know PlayStation's like incorporated Discord, but this is a
00:44:12
first party voice chat all set up inside your your system already. And now that
00:44:17
you have a camera, you can either Yeah. play Mario Kart, see everyone's reactions on like the bottom of the screen like a Zoom call inside of
00:44:24
everything, which was brilliant. It's so awesome. I think it's it's the closest thing that you can do to actually being
00:44:30
in person with people and playing with them on in your living room. Not having to set up a Zoom call on the side, which
00:44:36
which I'm sure all of us have done is pretty annoying. Yeah. Yeah. Now, they also showed this feature where if you
00:44:43
and a friend are both local and you both have a Switch, then you can share a game
00:44:48
that only one of you has to the other Switch so you can play it at the same time with them. Yeah. Now, they showed this kind of like basic like sort of
00:44:55
back gamon looking game. So, I would like to be I'm interested in what other games will end up supporting this. But the idea is, okay, I have a Switch. I
00:45:02
have this game. I want you to play with me, but I don't want to break my controller off and hand it to you and we play on this tiny screen because you also have a Switch. Right. So, I will
00:45:08
share essentially some files, some part of the game with your Switch. We're both local. We're on the same network now.
00:45:14
We're both playing on our own Switch, but in the same game, I think that's cool, too. I think that's very cool. Um, and we'll see what games end up
00:45:19
supporting it. And then the other thing that was kind of big to me, cuz I I've had my Switch for a while. I have a 32 gig Switch and I didn't buy a micro SD
00:45:26
card, so I have three games on my Switch is the base storage is 256 gigs now
00:45:31
instead of 32. Marquez tried updating the games the other day and it just like it said you can update two of the games.
00:45:38
Pick two because the third one not enough space for that. Um but now you can put way more games on the Switch.
00:45:44
Now the question that we don't we have a lot of unknowns with the Switch and I'll start to go through those. We don't know
00:45:49
how big the new Switch 2 games will be. So 256 gigs is great but I also assume that Switch 2 games are going to be
00:45:55
bigger cuz they're higher fidelity and they need they have more graphics and that might still only be room for three
00:46:00
games. Yeah. Um, but yes, there is still micro SD Express support. You need a
00:46:06
faster card, you can still put a card in. Yeah. Uh, so that's one. Number two, I haven't heard or read much about
00:46:12
battery life. It's still as thin as it was. I assume the battery is a similar size. I don't know if the battery will
00:46:18
be significantly better or worse or larger. It is bigger, but larger. So,
00:46:24
anytime you have a bigger screen and a bigger battery, you end up kind of canceling some of that out. So, I don't know if they've made any announcements
00:46:30
regarding like fast charging or having a significantly better battery in any way, but I'm wondering about that. Yeah. Um,
00:46:36
I think it'll have better battery life because usually bigger screen, bigger battery, the battery still has an edge.
00:46:41
Like if you look at like the iPhone Max, you know, it's a bigger screen, but the there's a bigger battery and it usually
00:46:47
has better battery than I guess like this screen is so much bigger and brighter potentially. Yeah. Higher
00:46:53
refresh rate and the games. Yeah, because they added a uh they also added a fan to the dock. So, they're kind of acknowledging it's going to get hotter.
00:47:00
Yeah. So, TBD on that. Yeah. Um, I guess those are the two main unknowns for me.
00:47:06
Also, things like durability, Joy-Con drift, any issues that might come up. We'll see. Yeah. The question is like,
00:47:11
did it are these Hall effect uh JoyCons? That would be a good question because they didn't say those words. People were
00:47:17
making like Hall effect mods to the JoyCons before because the Joy-Con drift was like a major issue. I assume
00:47:24
Nintendo would have kind of tackled that problem. They had to know about it, so I hope so. Oh my god, they've known about
00:47:30
it for a very long time. So hopefully they tackled that. Uh they didn't mention anything about it specifically though, which is interesting. And then
00:47:36
yeah, we'll see what games come out for it cuz there will be kind of as they mentioned, there will be Switch 2 games, which will have all the optimization.
00:47:42
They'll take advantage of the camera if you have one and all these cool features. If you get Switch One games,
00:47:49
some of them will be compatible and then some of them will get updated Switch 2 versions of them which will again take
00:47:55
advantage of the features. Well, you have to pay you have to buy like an upgrade pack. Yeah. Which I do not like
00:48:03
very much. No, that I think that was the biggest L of the announcement. Although we don't know pricing. Hey, wait a
00:48:08
minute. I don't know where this is being incorporated into the episode, but it is Thursday. I have Ellis sitting next to
00:48:13
me. What's up? When we recorded this directly after the event, not everything
00:48:19
was out. One pretty big piece of news came out, and that is Mario Kart World
00:48:24
will be $80 for the online version and $90 for the physical copy. There's also
00:48:31
some weird thing about physical copies. There's a lot more we're discovering, but I just wanted to put that out there. We did not know these pricings. No, we
00:48:38
did not. um to the rest of the conversation. Understand that and next week I'm sure we will learn so much more
00:48:44
about pricing and the switch to and we'll update everything next week. Seems like there's also some ray tracy stuff
00:48:51
coming out and some digital versus physical store download and the cartridge. We don't know if the
00:48:56
cartridges still taste bad. Please enjoy the uh rest of our uh switch two
00:49:01
discussion and just know that uh we were we were still in the dark when we had this conversation but now we see the
00:49:07
light and next week we will share that light with you next week for switch to
00:49:12
the the switching to
00:49:18
there's there's big updates and there's small updates like there's games that got a whole new world that you can play
00:49:23
in but then there's like the Zelda games which have better fidelity basically it's like brighter HDR support and and
00:49:30
like higher resolution, but you have to buy that. Yeah. So, I'm wondering how much of a difference those updated
00:49:36
versions of the games will actually make. And fidelity and like Yeah. How much is it? If it was like $5 to $10, I
00:49:42
think that's understandable, but if it was like 20, that seems like it's pushing. 20 would be tough. Yeah.
00:49:49
Yeah. So, pricing wise, the only thing we didn't mention is I think the camera's 50 bucks, you said. Yes, the camera is $50. Okay. Uh, the console is
00:49:57
$4.49 and there's a bundle with that and a new Mario Kart game called Mario Part
00:50:02
Kart World which is $500. So, you're basically paying $50. Yeah, but it looks
00:50:08
like a sick game. But what do we think pricing wise on that? $449. So, the original Switch way back when when it
00:50:14
launched was $299 at launch. Yeah. Uh, considering how much better this one is,
00:50:20
how many how much bigger the screen is, inflation, a bunch of other factors, and now it's 2025, I'm not mad at 449 to be
00:50:27
honest. That's just me. I think some people will think about I'm going to buy the Switch and then how many games am I going to buy and then how much total am
00:50:33
I spending and then you kind of have to think more about that. But I'm not mad at the $449. I think it's quite a lot.
00:50:40
It's high, but it's not like absurd to me. I'm not surprised by it. I was hoping it was going to be $3.99. Um, but
00:50:48
I still think it fits in that slot of not, correct me if I'm wrong, not as expensive as like a PS5 or the new Xbox.
00:50:55
It's still like slots in under those more expensive game consoles. Maybe I'm
00:51:00
wrong on that. Yeah, the original. Although I guess at this point it's out years and years after those two launch,
00:51:07
but PS5 Slim is 500. So, if you get it with the bundle, it's the same price as
00:51:12
the PS5 Slim. The Switch One was 2017. Yeah, I know. So, it's been it's been
00:51:19
eight years. Eight years and it's gone up $150 total. Okay. PS5 is $4.99. Yeah,
00:51:26
PS5. And the digital editions with no disc drive is $3.99. So, yeah, it's more expensive than those. They did come out
00:51:31
earlier. Yeah, it's like kind of a a tougher price, but also we all know it's
00:51:38
not going to deter anybody from buying it that was interested in buying it. I think it I mean a big a big seller for
00:51:44
Nintendo is the parents who buy it for their kids at Christmas and the difference between a $300 console Oh,
00:51:52
yeah. But none of us thought it was going to be $300, right? No, but I thought maybe 379 because yes, it's much
00:51:59
better in every way, but it's also been 8 years. So, it's a lot easier to buy a
00:52:05
256 gig NAND chip to put in the device. It probably cost the same or pro
00:52:10
probably actually less than it cost them to put a 32 gig chip in it 8 years ago.
00:52:16
So, I'm yeah, very curious about the new screen. I want to look at this new screen. I want to see how much better it
00:52:21
actually looks. Uh, I appreciate the 4K120 or the 1080120. Thank you. Uh, but
00:52:27
yeah, we'll we'll kind of have to be a judge. We're again recording this before I get that hands-on and I'll sort of try
00:52:33
to detail that in the video. So, if you guys haven't already watched that video, by the time this podcast comes out, that video should also be out. So, check out
00:52:38
the hands-on video. There's no embargo on the hands-on. Nope. It's just going right up. That's insane. Yeah, should be
00:52:44
fun. But yeah, that's Nintendo Switch 2. Nintendo Switch 2. Nintendo Switch. The Mario Kart World looked pretty sweet.
00:52:50
So, I've mostly not played a lot of Mario Kart, but it seems like the open
00:52:56
world concept is a big difference versus the original Mario Kart. Like Mario
00:53:01
Kart, you kind of get people who just like memorize exactly how they play certain maps and then you just go crazy
00:53:06
where the gameplay that they were showing and these people were just being very social about just like driving
00:53:11
around just seeing what's happening, not really racing as much, which is interesting. There's a couple things where one's called free roam where you
00:53:18
can just roam around the maps and like take photos with your friends and stuff which is like if you're really into it
00:53:24
that's cool. Does that Mario Kart I thought what's cool is so like one of the ways you play normal Mario Kart is a Grand Prix where you play four different
00:53:30
maps that are all in one but it used to like segment them into you play Rainbow
00:53:35
Road and then you play whatever map and now you drive between them inside of the Grand Prix which is really cool. And
00:53:42
then there's another one called knockout I believe where cuz in this game you can have up to 24 players on a map which is
00:53:48
the most they've ever had but they kind of have it. It's not within the Grand Prix. They showed it quickly. It seems
00:53:54
like there's a map of all the different racetracks and they take a large chunk of racetracks. You drive and you drive
00:54:00
between them and then there's checkpoints within the racetracks where it'll knock out like eight people in the
00:54:06
first one. So if you're not within the top 16 as you hit that you get knocked out. And then so you drive further and
00:54:12
further and further in these longer and longer it iterations of different maps sequence together and then until one
00:54:18
person's left at the end which I think sounds really cool. It's the chase. The chase sounds fun. That's what that's how
00:54:24
the NASCAR playoffs work when they first introduced that system. They called it the chase. Except imagine if they drove
00:54:30
from Tallaladega to Daytona in between in the NASCAR. That would be kind of
00:54:35
sick. Not not going to lie. They they can in fact go 500 miles. So yeah, they
00:54:41
just don't turn right very well and they could go That's not true. That's such a a third of the season has right turns.
00:54:47
Yeah, but they they set up those cars a certain way for certain tracks. So just, you know, be careful on those city streets. I'm just saying. Um yeah,
00:54:54
there's something else. They're they're releasing this game called Nintendo Switch 2 Welcome Tour.
00:55:00
Yeah, this this is a pretty big L from me because you have to buy it. I didn't
00:55:05
have a problem. It should have been free. Yeah, I mean the Wii came with Wii Sports and the PS5 came with Astros
00:55:10
World. Did it come with Astros World? You got that for free? I don't I think they released an Astrobot bundle.
00:55:16
Astrobot was the game they announced after Astro World was the first PlayStation. You're right. Really called
00:55:22
that. I Yeah. And Astro's Playroom. Astro's Playroom. Yeah, I was going like that is the Travis Scott. That's why I
00:55:29
said we are sorry. Astro's Playroom on the PlayStation 5. But that was the same thing. It was like a demo. You get all
00:55:34
the springs. I think it's important to be able to show users like all the benefits of the console that they're
00:55:39
playing. And I think that they made this game like the the Welcome Tour game actually looks very cool where you run
00:55:45
you run around a giant Nintendo Switch 2 Nintendo Switch 2 Nintendo Switch 2 thing PlayStation did and you basically
00:55:51
just like you look at the different parts of the console and it tells you really interesting tidbits about it and it teaches you how to use the mouse and
00:55:57
all this stuff. Why would you have to pay for that? That makes no sense. It's
00:56:02
like you release Wii Sports for free with the Wii, which is one of the most iconic games of all time and then you
00:56:08
have to buy the basically like glorified demo demo guide of how to use the
00:56:14
console. Like that's crazy. Is it going to be Did they say a price? They didn't. They just said it was a paid digital
00:56:19
game. I just think that's a huge L. It should have just come It should have come built into the console. That was a big miss. Yeah. Who's going to buy that?
00:56:26
I would never have bought Astros Playroom, but because of how good it was, I learned a lot about what it was
00:56:31
capable of and then went on to go get games that I thought would take advantage of the teaches you the new features. If I didn't have Astros
00:56:36
Playroom, I would not have learned a lot of that stuff. So, being free, being included, being easy to access would have been awesome for this demo. Other
00:56:42
things they they just released or they're going to release this new game that takes advantage of the mouse control. It's sort of a combination
00:56:49
between basketball and also you're in a wheelchair and it's a whole thing. It's Rocket League and wheelchair. Rocket
00:56:54
League with wheelchairs and basketball, which is interesting. Uh, but it's not using existing IP and it's focused on
00:57:01
the mouse control. And I think that it is more beneficial to release existing
00:57:06
IP that uses new play interaction because it gets people to do it. like uh
00:57:12
when The Legend of Zelda um Skyward not Skyward Sword um don't get this wrong,
00:57:19
Twilight Princess Twilight Princess came out, they released it concurrently on the Gamecube and the Wii. And the whole
00:57:25
thing that was beneficial for the Wii was that you could use the motion controls to kind of use Link's Sword.
00:57:31
And so they released this new IP that teaches you how to use the motion controls and really plays into the motion control thing. And that's awesome
00:57:37
because people are going to freaking play Zelda anyway, but they're not planning like people are not planning on buying this game that's like Rocket
00:57:43
League with wheelchairs and basketball. You know what I mean? It's just kind of a random It makes the most sense of how the they work because if they need to be
00:57:50
flat down on a table and pushed on both sides, it's like the two wheels of a wheelchair and you can like wave to get
00:57:57
the ball passed to you and stuff like that. You're right though. I don't think a lot of people are going to play or
00:58:02
it's going to be like an instant cult classic and everyone's going to be obsessed with it. I don't think that's what's going to happen, but it could.
00:58:09
That's probably what they're hoping for. Um, they talked about a bunch of different games. Does everyone want to pick like one they saw that they liked?
00:58:17
That they liked. Okay. Oh, wait. Oh, I'll get there anyway. Uh, Kirby Air Riders
00:58:24
by Okay. Kirby Air Ride was a GameCube game that encapsulated much of my childhood. So much more than a game. It
00:58:30
was more than It was an epoch. It was an epoch. It was an epoch. I There is There's core memories burned into my
00:58:36
brain of sitting in my living room playing that game for like hours on end with my friends. So, Kirby Air Writers
00:58:41
I'm extremely excited for. There's one that just it felt like they were trying to hit me in the nostalgia personally.
00:58:48
It was a new Tony Hawk game and they're showing it and I'm like, I remember Tony Hawk. I don't know if I would have that
00:58:54
much fun anymore. And then within the last 3 seconds of the gameplay, they're just like Spongebob level and then cut.
00:58:59
And it was like Tony Hawk. I was like, "What are you doing?" Just like out of nowhere, he's just like in Bikini
00:59:05
Bottom. They know their core audience. They're like, "People that played Pro Skater were also Spongebob fans." So
00:59:11
here you go. Solid overlap. That is very smart of them. I see NBA 2K is coming, so I'm I'm curious to play that. We'll
00:59:17
see how that is. On the airplane. Yeah. Well, I won't be playing online, but I'm a big My career guy, so I could play
00:59:22
anywhere. M six hour six hour flight. Trust me, I'm on that grind developing
00:59:28
my player. Were the games that you guys were excited for? Pokemon Zah, baby. Did
00:59:33
you ever play RCS? Legends RCS? No. Oh, well, it's the other Pokemon Zah. That's
00:59:38
what it's called. It's Pokemon Z. I don't know, man. It's Japan. What is
00:59:44
Project 007? It's a James Bond game. They showed very little. They It literally was just like the opening
00:59:50
looking down the barrel 007 scene and it just said like 007 the world's most
00:59:55
famous hit banner assassin cuz hot take I thought the Wii release of Golden Eye
01:00:02
it wasn't like a remaster it was like kind of its own thing was uh one of the my favorite Wii games. Really? Yeah. So
01:00:08
if they can do this right I'm pretty into it. Also I apologize if any of you heard Zuri snoring. It's hard to wake up
01:00:14
a cute puppy. I didn't hear at all. Don't wake her up. We've done it twice. How dare you? But possibly one of the
01:00:21
biggest announcements, GameCube is coming to Switch Online for
01:00:26
a small fee. Oh, well, as part of Switch Online. Yeah. I mean, that's the last Nintendo console that I played a lot of.
01:00:34
Oh, dude, it's so good. Like, I had a friend, actually, my friend who had the game who had the Gamecube also had a Nintendo Wii, but that Gamecube does
01:00:42
have some little bit of nostalgia in my heart. Just a little bit. People have been asking for them to add this for so
01:00:47
long. And so you're going to be able to play Wind Waker. You're going to be be able to play Pokemon XD, Gail of
01:00:53
Darkness, original Kirby Air, potentially original Kirby, Super Monkey Ball. There's just there's so many. And
01:01:00
Wave Race. I'm just I'm SSX Tricky. So many good games. Uh they're also
01:01:07
releasing a GameCube controller that is wireless that can hook up to the console so you can play those GameCube games
01:01:13
more natively. They could charge $4.49 for that and people, it would fly off the shelves still. Yeah. Yeah, true. Um,
01:01:19
and then it also has an additional C button to do the, you know, to do the community chat stuff. So, I'm very
01:01:26
excited for that. Have you ever relive my childhood? Have you ever played any of the Civ games? Civi Civilization. Oh,
01:01:33
I thought you said Sim. Uh, nope. I I I guess am an idiot and never realized
01:01:38
they were on console, but they showed Civ 6 and like the It sounds I I'm
01:01:44
hoping the console controls are good because rotting on my couch and playing Civilization sounds like the greatest
01:01:49
thing ever cuz doing it in your chair and when it's 5:00 a.m. your back's starting to hurt. But if it's 5:00 a.m. and I'm just lounging on the couch with
01:01:56
a nice blanket. Dude, according to Wikipedia, it's on Android. Oh my god. Don't tell me that. I'll get nothing
01:02:02
done. Dude, that's a great You should play more. I think you would like that game. It's super lowkey. You can play as
01:02:08
much or as little as you want. And by as little, I mean as much as you want. And we'll see how much storage I end up with. I'll try that. That'll be one of
01:02:14
my first few games on the Switch, too. Literally, all of the games that are coming for the Gamecube are are just
01:02:20
they're just my childhood just wrapped in one. This is most Super Mario Sunshine, ChibiRobo, Pokemon XD, Gill of
01:02:27
Darkness, Super Mario Strikers. Uh, if they want to hit me in the nostalgia personally, I'm going to
01:02:32
need Truck Simulator. 18 Wheels of Steel. Are you serious? 18
01:02:39
Wheels on Switch. I hope Marquez plays Truck Simulator with the split Joy-Con
01:02:44
horizontal with only those controls. The Joycon mouse control and I'm just using the wheel like this. Oh, yo, it's the
01:02:50
shift. It's the manual shift with the the mouse control. So, you have
01:02:56
nostalgia for Truck Simulator. I'm just like shock as someone who also plays really boring games. I did not No, bro.
01:03:04
I customized the heck out of my truck. I was going cross country. You guys are broken human beings. I don't understand
01:03:10
why you would have was Oh, we've evolved. We've evolved. I had no idea.
01:03:15
Yeah. I never even heard of this game. Nintendo will get there. Oh, there's there's tractor simulator. There's truck
01:03:20
simulator. Farm simulator. Goat simulator. Switch two. Anyway, Nintendo Switch too. No, this has been fun. Hey,
01:03:26
watch the video if you haven't already. Check out the hands-on. Let us know your thoughts in the comments section. Switch to Switch 2. Switch two. Switch two.
01:03:32
Nintendo trivia time. Can you ask them if you can have an additional person follow you into the room?
01:03:40
Yeah. Can I keep it? Um, did we mention that it launches June 5th? June 5th,
01:03:46
2025. And and uh pre-orders begin in one week from as of time of recording, which
01:03:53
is the 9th of April. But but if you have had a Switch online subscription for 1
01:03:58
year and you have 50 hours of play time on the Switch, you'll get an early access uh pre-order invite for April
01:04:05
8th, which your boy meets the requirements for. I think that's I think
01:04:11
that's super reasonable. That can also deter a lot of people from trying to flip this. Yeah. I wonder how many
01:04:16
people that trims out 50 hours. Well, it trims out people who have never played the Switch before that just want to try and make a ton of money off of it. and
01:04:22
you have had to pay a subscription cuz it was you would have to have paid the script subscription for a year before
01:04:29
today. So, nobody can like game the system now. And I think that's very smart. It's going to be the hardcore
01:04:34
people are going to be able to buy it right away, which I think is awesome. Someone's going to have to like sell their account that has all the
01:04:40
requirements so that the bots can get in. Your boy is selling his. So, if you want it, you know where to find me.
01:04:47
Taking bids right now. Taking bids. 451. Oh my god. Uh, trivia. Yeah. All
01:04:55
right. Yeah. Next question. What Nintendo Switch game? Nintendo Switch to Nintendo Switch to Nintendo Switch 2.
01:05:01
Yeah. Uh, but we also briefly mentioned Mario. Fun fact, Mario's first
01:05:07
appearance was not in a Mario game. What game was it?
01:05:13
I know that. Sounds like Isn't this Was it Mickey Mouse? Huh? Like this is the the Mickey Mouse. Yeah, it's the Mario
01:05:21
lore. The Mario movie, right? Yeah, it's the Mario movie. The Mario. That's the first time we ever saw Mario. The first
01:05:26
time we ever saw Mario was in Steamboat Willie. I definitely don't know this one. Yeah,
01:05:32
he was the villain in Steamboat Willy. Yeah, he was trying to plum the ocean so that the ship would sink. Holder value
01:05:39
didn't hold it up anymore. Nice. Okay. Well, that's there's a point that you guys get and I don't. Uh, all right.
01:05:45
Well, hey, we got one more section after the break. Be right back.
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right, welcome back. There's still a little bit of other stuff that happened. Surprisingly, a lot of things happened in the tech world this week. Uh, an
01:08:41
article was published about future Meta smart glasses plans. Maybe not even that
01:08:46
far in the future. Maybe this year is coming out with smart glasses codenamed Hyperva that will be over $1,000 and
01:08:53
have a moninocular screen in the lower right hand side of one of the lenses. And so that will give you a visual UI
01:09:00
and a whole bunch of things that come with that. I am not surprised by this. I
01:09:06
think it could be cool. We all are very familiar with how popular those may ray meta glasses have become which just have
01:09:13
the speaker and the meta AI and the camera lens on the front. Um, this would
01:09:19
be able to give users a lot more control, a lot more visual experiences. Obviously, they can, you know, translate
01:09:25
things in front of you and show you arrows where you're supposed to be walking and driving, things like that. So, doesn't shock me. It'll be
01:09:31
interesting to see when they come out, but cool. There was a time when I was
01:09:37
optimistic about the future. Damn, it's got dark when Google Glass
01:09:42
was announced and everything was exciting and fun. Um, and now considering it is meta, I
01:09:49
just think they're going to track your eye movement and that's going to be used to sell you ads.
01:09:55
As far as I know, there's no camera at your eyes. Yeah.
01:10:01
Well, in this in Quest, yes, I don't know. Sorry to
01:10:06
be the way I am. That did that did come up around the time of Google Glass. The
01:10:11
technology was nowhere near that good yet, but people saw Google Glass and fast forward in their brain all the way
01:10:18
to I'm going to look at a blank billboard and in real time someone's going to buy that ad space personalized
01:10:24
to me. Yeah. and then I'm going to have to pay for ad block for it to be like blurred or something which I could see
01:10:30
Meta doing. But the technology also has to go a really really long way to get to
01:10:36
that even being a possibility whether the companies like the idea or not which is they have to have the ability to
01:10:42
overlay tracked objects over the real world which is like barely possible. Okay. And also then track your eye
01:10:50
movement and place personalized ads on those billboards. And then the infrastructure of like having blank
01:10:55
billboards in the real world. None of that's even remotely possible with what they're talking about here though because it's in the lower right hand of
01:11:01
your eye. It's not even in your eyesight and there's no cameras on your eyes. So moninocular screens just being able to
01:11:07
show you something kind of like Google Glass. It would be kind of just like a small little thing hovering over the
01:11:12
real world, which is still cool. I would like uh to be able to have that, but
01:11:18
you'd have to like specifically look at it. like this is not something that's coming in augmented reality because it's
01:11:24
probably in the bottom right. So you'd have to like it'd be in your peripheral, you'd have to be like, "Oh, I got a notification. Look down kind of thing."
01:11:31
Is this better or worse than checking your smartwatch in the middle of a conversation? It's way better. Really?
01:11:37
Like if we're just having conversation and then you like look all the way in your bottom left. I'll tell you why it's better. Cuz I've tried some of these and
01:11:43
I don't know what it is, but the association that people have with when you raise your wrist up and check it is like rude. like you're ready to leave
01:11:50
this. But isn't it normalized now? It is a little bit but I think in conversation obviously eye contact exists but there's
01:11:57
a lot of just like looking at the horizon like thinking about stuff and in those glances away you can literally
01:12:03
read something and so it's in in my opinion way less intrusive than checking your watch but then you're just going to
01:12:09
get distracted and you're not going to be able to actually hold a conversation with it. Sorry David, what was that? I was reading this
01:12:15
like it's going to be so much more likely that you just you your brain is going to be moving towards another thing
01:12:21
and then you're going to forget what you're talking about with the person in front of you. It is a balancing act. I the demos that I've had so far were very
01:12:28
intentional. So they were like uh I was talking to someone speaking another language and the transcription of what
01:12:34
they were saying was appearing on the glasses live in front of me and I alternated between eye contact and
01:12:41
reading that transcription pretty quickly in a way that felt pretty natural cuz it's glasses. Yeah. Uh where
01:12:48
I don't think that would have worked as well with a phone or a watch trying to do the same thing. Yeah. But yeah,
01:12:53
you're right. If it's just I'm talking to you and a notification appears, that does feel bad. That feels like I'm going
01:12:59
to I just I just got distracted. I can see in specific contexts it can be very
01:13:04
useful, but when taken to the extreme of we're just going to show you all your notifications that are on your phone,
01:13:10
it's like you're just going to be distracted all the time. Yeah, I'm assuming you like I only have certain
01:13:15
notifications that come up on my watch. So like I'm assuming within the meta software, you can pick which notifications you want to come up. I'm
01:13:22
sure there's a do not disturb mode. I mean, like ultimately, if you're the one letting all of those notifications come
01:13:28
into that space. Yeah. Then you're just probably the type of person who doesn't care about a conversation as much. Like,
01:13:33
you still have to control those things. Slack notifications on your watch. Which
01:13:38
one of you Marcus is everything I His watch goes off the entire time we're in this podcast. It's telling me something.
01:13:45
Miles just finished a workout. Oh, by the way, message constant things happening. Uh, I had a kind of a hot
01:13:52
take. Oh, uh, it's not even that hot of a take. Maybe it is. We'll see. Um, do
01:13:57
it. Who has the minimal phone? You have that light phone. Not on me, but I could go get it. So, no, you don't have to get it. I just think here's the take. We
01:14:05
live in this world where humans can just get smartphones and can have this incredible access to all the world and
01:14:10
information and social media and emails and everything around us. And to many people, it is very distracting. And they
01:14:16
end up wanting to go, "Ah, this is too much. Give me a minimal phone where I don't get distracted by as much of that
01:14:21
stuff. If you are so distracted by your phone that you have to spend extra money for a worse phone, you lack discipline.
01:14:30
Well, okay. I And you should That's not fair. That's not fair because these
01:14:35
companies literally they they understand human psychology and they use ways like
01:14:42
meta meta one at a time on Facebook Messenger. Literally a Facebook
01:14:48
Messenger will send me notifications that are like, "Hey, check back on this conversation you had with this person 5
01:14:54
years ago because they want me to open the app." Oh yeah. You know what I mean? It's like
01:14:59
I understand where you're coming from because I think most things in life there are many like quick tricks to like
01:15:07
fix your problems quickly, but those never work because ultimately you have to develop the discipline to actually
01:15:13
like going to the gym or like doing all these things. You have to actually just want it so bad that you do it. But these
01:15:19
companies are are actively trying to get around your discipline. Yeah. So, yes,
01:15:25
it's kind of your fault, but it's also the company's fault. It is definitely shared responsibility. Well, but it is
01:15:30
kind of a crutch. I just I don't think it's fair I don't think it's fair to be like you're undisiplined when literal
01:15:39
billions of dollars are being spent to like break your discipline. Yeah.
01:15:46
I am I am one guy, you know what I mean? Compared to the world's investors
01:15:58
funnal phones, like when I look at the ads for them and when I look at what they actually are, they are a like a
01:16:04
black and white phone that only lets you make phone calls, text, and there's
01:16:11
what, a couple like a maps app, a couple other basic things. That's a light phone. We should differentiate between
01:16:16
the different minimal The goal of something like a light phone is that you literally cannot open Instagram and
01:16:22
scroll, right? And you literally cannot open the web browser. The light phone. Yes. And Yeah. That that line between I
01:16:33
need a phone where I can't do it because if I have the ability to do it, I just will. Yeah. I mean, a lot of people use
01:16:39
these. Sorry, I'll let you. I feel very strongly about this. I didn't mean to. Oh, I was just going to say, don't think
01:16:45
of it as I need this as a crutch. Think of it as I am putting a wall between me
01:16:50
and the billions of dollars being spent to make my life worse. To make your life
01:16:55
worse. Yeah. Because these companies know that like remember the big meta leak where where they they knew
01:17:01
internally what their products do to teenagers mental health. They were fully aware. They had all the research and
01:17:07
they didn't stop because it's not about making your life better. None of none of these I hate to bring it to our
01:17:12
audience. None of these companies release tech products to make your life better. You know, I actually am not so sure about that. I think that there is
01:17:20
upside and downside and that the companies who are trying to study the upside are trying to minimize the
01:17:25
downside, but they're very aware of the downside and it is a huge downside. But the the whole like connect to the world
01:17:31
and have access to what your friends are posting in general is not like I hope to ruin your life with these photos. No,
01:17:37
it's but there is a big downside. But but they knew these companies know internally that the way they're serving
01:17:43
it to you, the way they're sending you notification ads, the way they're presenting its data to you is to
01:17:49
increase usage time. It's to increase the amount of time. It's to increase engagement, the amount of advertising,
01:17:54
amount of ads you see. So I don't I think that buying the minimal phone is not just about I can't do this myself.
01:18:01
It's about now you can't do this to me. Yeah, I'll use uh that's a fair point. I'll use YouTube as a specific example.
01:18:08
YouTube, I would I would think we all agree here is a pretty net positive
01:18:15
service. Probably is better that YouTube exists in the world. Oh yeah, YouTube is
01:18:21
actively in the business of trying to maximize how much time you spend on their website. Every little micro
01:18:27
decision that they make, every decision we get confused about why did you remove the like button, dislike button counter, everything that they do is trying to
01:18:34
maximize satisfied watch time. That is how a channel becomes successful. That is how a video becomes successful. That
01:18:40
is how YouTube becomes successful. They show you more ads. They maximize how much time you spend on the site. At a
01:18:45
certain point, you can fall down a rabbit hole, become addicted, spend way
01:18:51
too much time on YouTube. And there is that downside. And trust me, YouTube is very aware of those downsides and the
01:18:57
things that happen on their site. And they do a decent job of trying to minimize a lot of that stuff. Um, I I
01:19:06
hope I never have to buy a phone that doesn't have the YouTube on it because I am that addicted to YouTube. But I very
01:19:12
much depend on YouTube and use it all the time and accept the downsides that
01:19:18
come with how much of an upside it is to have that experience. That's a fair point. So there's there's balancing act.
01:19:24
You're right. You're right. Another counterpoint. Um, YouTube is like owned by Google, right? So they have a little
01:19:30
bit of I guess by Alphabet, but yeah, by Alphabet, whatever. Same thing. So they have a bit of a they have a bit of a padding for one not being able to make
01:19:38
or not needing to like maximalize to the highest highest degree possible all the time and they're able to sort of uh
01:19:46
optimize like you said for like satisfied watch time to make you feel good about the platform to come back to
01:19:52
it. Uh, it's slight slightly different I guess cuz before they just optimized maximum watch time, but sometimes people
01:19:59
would arrive on a video and watch it and then leave halfway through because it wasn't what they were looking for and
01:20:05
they tried to like get people out of that funnel and into a different video that they would enjoy faster, meaning
01:20:10
that you do watch the video. So, it's not necessarily a positive emotion. It's just actively finding and choosing and
01:20:18
staying on the website longer. Exactly. They've also built an algorithm that is incredibly good at showing you things
01:20:23
you actually like. Yeah. I think that a platform like meta where you know Instagram or reals is completely
01:20:31
dictated. I mean you there is a search function but does anyone use the search function on Instagram besides to find
01:20:37
someone's account? No. Uh so whereas YouTube is like it is it is very much a
01:20:43
choose your own adventure besides the homepage which does drive a lot of views. So, I think having more active
01:20:50
control over what you're using the platform for makes it less addictive than something that just feeds you
01:20:56
dopamine constantly. Yeah. I mean, YouTube does have a shorts carousel.
01:21:02
They do, but and you'd be surprised how many people search on Tik Tok. I'm surprised by that all the time. People
01:21:07
like search for recipes, search for trends, search for restaurants. I did
01:21:13
see someone search for a specific video on Instagram last week. Apparently, it's like if you are in an area and you
01:21:20
search on Tik Tok for like a certain restaurant, you you'll find little viral
01:21:25
restaurant reviews in your area and then can visit that space. So, it's interesting. That's the reason I can't go to my favorite bakery anymore in
01:21:32
China cuz it bloop on TikTok when that happens. Yeah. But yeah, anyway, that's why it's a hot
01:21:38
tag glasses. Sorry. You need to take this down. Well, metaglasses again will
01:21:44
have an upside that comes with a downside. As we mentioned, it will be very useful for things like live
01:21:50
transcription or showing you directions or whatever you're doing. But it will absolutely come with the downside of
01:21:57
distracting you with notifications when you don't need them. Yeah. I can't imagine driving on the highway and
01:22:03
getting a notification in the corner of my vision and how that isn't a horrible thing. Yeah. So, yeah. You get some and
01:22:10
you lose some at the same time. My hot take is I would have I would not have been as annoyed at this if it was
01:22:15
literally any company but Meta that was making them. Well, trust me, there will be more companies making. I know there
01:22:21
will and they will probably be near like near levels of like I don't know about this, but Meta is possibly the worst one
01:22:29
in my humblest opinion. They're all bad. They all just want to make money. I think we all understand. I know that.
01:22:36
However, however, if Meta had done this in like 2011, 2010, you know, back in the Google
01:22:42
Glass era, it would have been it would have been hilarious cuz it would have been like Facebook Andrew needs two more
01:22:48
sheep in Farmville walking down the street at 10.
01:22:53
What? Yeah. Anyway, um we'll find out by the end of 2025. Last little tiny little
01:22:59
thing, Delta Emulator, which is this awesome emulator for iOS that there are multiple stories about because they
01:23:05
basically had it on this separate app store until they were officially able to put on the real app store. They have now
01:23:10
released an update that lets you do online multiplayer for Nintendo DS. And I think that's super cool. So, congrats
01:23:17
on that launch. That's all I wanted to say. Yeah. Without any further
01:23:22
ado, it's trivia time.
01:23:28
I think we need new erasers. Trivia time. All right, we're talking about April Fool's jokes. I have four in front
01:23:35
of me. I'm going to read them real quick and you guys tell me which one I made up. One, Tesla goes bankrupt. Elon
01:23:41
announces a Tesla bankruptcy on Twitter. Two, Google Mic drop. You can email
01:23:47
anyone a gift of a minion dropping a mic with a touch of a button. Uh, C, Hulu's
01:23:53
new app, WHO, which is 8second cuts of TV shows. Or D, the Nikon D5100 selfie
01:24:01
cam, which allows you to take selfies out of the EVF. Or it's not an EVF, it's just an OVF, it's a optical viewfinder.
01:24:08
Yeah, you get it. You get it. You get it. All right. Which one did Ellis make up? We all picked the same thing. We all
01:24:14
picked C. C. Pac-Man. I drew a C and then I drew a bunch of other stuff
01:24:19
around the C. Wait, is that a reference to Google's 2017 April Fool's joke where they let you play Pac-Man with Google
01:24:27
Maps? I I remember that. That was one of the best ever. But no, I just got carried away with the C. Very good.
01:24:33
You're all wrong. I apologize. Although the Nikon thing. It was the Nikon thing. I made that one upated. Thank you. Cuz
01:24:40
it would be a good April Fool's Day joke. Thank you. Thank you very much. Appreciate that. And I didn't even use AI to think. It was too good. Yeah. The
01:24:47
thing with the who thing is that there are real services that try to do that.
01:24:53
So, it's kind of funny to make an April Fool's Day joke around other people's business models. Well, this this was 2017, so that's fair. We They were ahead
01:25:00
of the time. Yeah. Um anyway, Adam's going to read the score and then give you your second question.
01:25:07
Marquez with 15. Andrew with seven. David in the lead
01:25:14
carrying the one with 16. really only one. Yeah. What happened to my lead? I know. Sorry. And for his 17th season,
01:25:22
Bobby Moahan. No, no one. SNL sounded like anyone.
01:25:28
Question number two. Mario first appeared in what other game.
01:25:34
Damn. Yeah, I am not going to get this. You might. That's why I picked it. Oh,
01:25:40
Metal Gear Solid. Got it. Snake and his famous companion, Mario. That Elden
01:25:48
Ring. I'm trying to think of other games that aren't named after their main character, Skyrim. He's definitely been
01:25:55
in Skyrim. Some mod. There's a mod where Mario is in Sky. Definitely many. Metroid Prime. Fortnite. All right.
01:26:02
Fortnite. Fortnite. What do we got? And Mario Brownley. Marquez, you can do
01:26:08
better than that. What did you say? No, that was a game. I said solitary.
01:26:13
I don't know games. Come on, guys. Andrew, Donkey Kong, David Donkey,
01:26:19
correct? Kong. Yes. Country. Do you remember the old Donkey Kong game where like Donkey Kong's standing at the top
01:26:26
throwing barrels down the the shoots and ladders? Yeah, I thought Donkey Kong was derivative of Mario, actually. Well,
01:26:32
Mario's the guy jumping in the game. You play as Mario in Donkey Kong to rescue
01:26:37
Princess Peach. But it was called Donkey. Wait, is it Peach or is it It's called Donkey Kong. have to do with maybe that's not Peach.
01:26:43
It's not Peach. Marquez, I thought you would get that because it's like the only other Nintendo game that's like mainly pop culture. I was like, if he
01:26:51
just picks another I never played it either, but if he just picked another one. You've never played the original Donkey Kong? I've never played it.
01:26:57
Uncultured swine. And with that, we will end the podcast.
01:27:04
Hey, but like I said, Peach, Nintendo Switch 2, Nintendo Switch 2. If you
01:27:09
haven't already watched Nintendo Switch 2 Hands On, check that out. Should be on the channel. Um, what else do you guys
01:27:16
have to say? Anything else? Nintendo. Mario looks crazy in Donkey Kong. It doesn't look anything like Mario. It
01:27:21
just looks like a Oh, that looks like Wario. You saved Pauline in in um in
01:27:28
Donkey Kong. And Pauline is a character in Super Mario Odyssey, so they bring her back. Huh. Okay. Jesus. I also
01:27:34
wanted to make it known today that earlier I named all seven Pokémon. M. You want to name them again?
01:27:40
All seven. There's a lot more than seven. I named all seven. I don't think you got to seven. I think I got six.
01:27:46
There's I think you got six with a really good hit. I think I got seven. I
01:27:51
can name 26 right here. Damn. Yeah. All the unknowns. Take that one, nerds. Yeah, there's
01:27:57
Aguman. I can name 27. Hipop. Mercury. Reneon. Venus. Neptune. All right, let's
01:28:05
wrap this. Let's wrap this up. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. Thanks for subscribing. Thanks for liking. Thanks for commenting. Thanks
01:28:10
for suggesting stuff for next week. Catch you guys later. Peace. Waveform is produced by Nintendo Switch 2. Adam
01:28:15
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Kirby Airide. Wait, they announced a new Kirby Air Ride? How did no one tell me?
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