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all right welcome back to waveform we're your hosts i'm marquez and i'm andrew and we've got
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a lot to talk about today because we've got a lot of catching up to do and there's just been a bunch of news and stuff happening that we've got our
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reactions to and maybe a couple hot takes so there's there's some good stuff yeah uh a lot of google and apple
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that's a that's a big focus i'm just gonna start with google i o because there's we had google i o last week uh a lot of
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ai and software announcements and a lot of android stuff and i want to go through each of like some of these
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bigger bullet points and get your reactions maybe give my reactions to them yeah i think real quick before we do that the reason
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we had our right to repair one last week is because we were in california interviewing sundar that's
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on the channel so check that out but i'm sure a lot of people were wondering our thoughts on io so
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sorry we're a week late but yeah yeah like i o happened and usually i will cover io in a video
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or just sort of make a wrap up or if there's some interesting stuff i'll do a video about it but
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i didn't this year because as i was happening we were packing up all our stuff uh
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to go interview sundar the ceo of google and alphabet in mountain view so we flew out there
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and and that was a whole a whole thing so i didn't make a video about a lot of the stuff but we'll talk
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about a lot of it and you should watch that interview with cindar it's just a fun like little behind the curtain of like the
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guy that has been running this stuff for the past couple years and it's kind of cool yeah and we found out that
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we were wondering if it was really live or not and it was the whole thing was live it was pretty cool them explaining
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that was one of the things yeah we were wondering if io was really live like they put the little
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live counter in the corner and they just said it was live but it was so like well produced and well cut that i could
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be convinced and it was quiet and we're like i don't know if there's any way for us to prove that this is not live but
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one thing i've noticed is there hasn't been a single noise in the background no helicopters
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no airplanes flying overhead they're shooting it outdoors how is that possible um before we were
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interviewing i just asked sundar about it i was like was it it was live right and he was like yeah yeah it was nerve-wracking for me
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it was definitely live and i was like how were there no airplanes or noises overhead and he said
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they literally got a permit to like restrict the airspace over their campus during the couple
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hours that they were shooting wild so where did we get those perm if we got that permanent shut down all of newark
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airport yeah i don't know way too close yeah we're a little too small but uh but that is uh that's google for you so uh let's get
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into stuff they talked about yeah let's do it so first up a couple of maps enhancements
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more bike lane stuff obviously the sort of general improvements to google maps you expect but one of them was
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eco-friendly routes so now you can choose the fastest route or the route with no tolls
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or whatever other fast best route you want this new one is eco-friendly route which
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is cool i don't know if i'm ever going to select that intentionally that was my my first thought of the eco-friendly route is
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like i'm always glad anyone's doing anything that makes things more eco-friendly but i can i'm trying to think of like the
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number you would see on your google maps where you get this will take 40 minutes
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and then the eco route takes 45 minutes i think even five minutes people are
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gonna pick the just faster route yes typically it always sounds good to do eco like you feel good about yourself
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but most of the times when you're driving you just want to get there as fast as possible and i don't know what what number people are
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going to not choose eco on you know what's funny i use waze now almost all the time for any navigation and
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waze even though google owns waze waze is a little bit more hyper like aggressive about saving you
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like 30 seconds to a minute and a half so like if there's even a sniff of traffic on your usual route
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it'll go a bunch of back routes to get you like you know around that one block of traffic and it's like fine sometimes but
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i've noticed it gets a little bit crazy i don't know if you use waze but um no but i
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first of all weighs the ui itself i just like google maps feels way more clean waze is
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uh very ugly yeah but claire and i actually have this like little conspiracy that do you know when you're on google maps and if you're
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driving it'll say like similar eta or
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usually is either similar eta or it'll be like five minutes faster five minutes we're convinced that the first any five
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minute difference they don't add because then you might be like
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wondering if you should click on the new route or not if it's just a one minute difference oh yeah and if like
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that is turning into a safety issue of like somebody trying to decide whether they should take this turn to save one minute i believe so negligible yeah
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now yeah so google will do that waze will just take this will be like you better get off now or you're gonna lose 30 seconds
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it'll actually reroute me i'll be coming up to an exit and it'll be like now you know what take this exit and it'll be able to i
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bet that's just going to start your jersey slide right now it'll do it and you know what i'm fine with that that's ways for you
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um okay one of the interesting things i asked sundar about was project lambda so this is weird they went on stage and
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they demonstrated a little bit more every year they get a little better with understanding context and conversation
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with ai and assistant gets better as a result yeah but they literally used information
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from the internet to create a character that you can then speak to and have a
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conversation with so it's kind of like deep fake with with audio and information so basically
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you go and they used pluto and a paper airplane so you could walk up walk up you could just go hey
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project lambda let me talk to pluto and pluto goes hi i'm pluto what do you want to know
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and you go you know pluto what's it like being so far from the sun and pluto goes oh i'm just an ice ball and it just it knows
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everything about pluto tell me what i would see if i visited you would get to see a massive canyon
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some frozen icebergs geysers and some craters and it was really interesting to see that
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and the first place my brain went was like all right this reminds me of deep fakes what how far are they going to push this what
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are you going to be doing with project lambda in the future am i going to be able to talk to elvis
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because they know everything about elvis can i ask about elvis's controversial past and it'll
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give me an answer from something that google knows about a regular conversation everyone has like their friends i don't know and maybe there's living
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people you want to like have conversations with even though you can't but then also it's going to give answers that that living person might not give
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so i don't know i felt like it was a it was a really as sundar put it they gave the most
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benign examples which is like what's it like to be a paper airplane i'm sure like a nine-year-old would want to have
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that conversation but project lambda to me immediately goes to like all right you can simulate a conversation with
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anything what's it like being i don't know another crazy person he was
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very very he was very adamant about saying how it's still just research and it's not like necessarily a final
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product but like you said i wonder what is going to be that final product and and maybe we look back to something
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like uh was the name of the like assistant that could make you a dinner reservation or a google assistant it was just this
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assistant it would let you like it would call a restaurant for you and reserve a table if it couldn't do it through open table
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or or whatever other reservation did that project have like a name probably did and it didn't uh duplex
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there you go do okay duplex and they they've made adjustments to duplex sensors yeah but
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uh yeah sundar said it's just to make conversation better with assistant and also for better context of understanding
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things inside of the rest of the web for example if i ask about and youtube kind of does this but
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if you search a tutorial on youtube like how to change the filter in your sync or something or your
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refrigerator youtube google will pull up a youtube video for you and then it will pull up
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little brackets for a section inside the video that's most relevant to your search i've
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missed this completely it's really useful sometimes like i'll because you know how tutorial will open with hi
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my name is please subscribe blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah and by the time you get to two and a half minutes you're like i didn't need to
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watch any of this i just needed the thing so it'll tell you watch from a minute and a half to two minutes for the thing
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you searched for which is pretty useful already wait wait when did they start doing this this was
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years ago for me i every time i search i look up a lot of tutorials and how-to's and things like that and it auto plays in that bracket
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or just yep yep you hit the play button and it starts right from the beginning of the bracket so if you search for just the
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right thing which is sort of a how-to it will i won't get it do you think that's ever affected any of your videos
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on like searching for iphone 12 camera and like it would bring up your iphone
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video and so i just bracket the camera section i don't think my videos are specific enough to that but i wouldn't
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be surprised if something like lambda would watch the video and be able to deliver that sort of information
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because i give chapters in my videos now which i'm sure they can already look at but i think this is something they could do better
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because i'm learning more from this than yeah so yeah that's that was cool to see i think
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it'll get better so we'll just wonder what they're gonna let us use and have conversations with
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and hopefully it doesn't get too creepy yeah i mean there's a lot of creep potential on it i've i have accepted that
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my deep fake ability is extremely high and there's nothing i can
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do about it yeah you've already had videos of you singing songs and stuff like that and yeah while
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we thoroughly enjoy them in the office they are kind of just just if you just think about like
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what types of people will be the easiest to deep fake uh people who have a lot of high
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resolution videos them on of them online like the president because he's photographed and videoed
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from every angle or people who voluntarily upload 8k videos of themselves from here to here on the internet didn't
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dave do a video where he did you and lou yeah yeah he deep faked himself as
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you and lou from unbox oh man i barely remember that i'll have to find
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it but just as deep fake technology gets better and better they're just going to have more and more
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information to pull from like you have a decade of videos of the front of my face and high resolution audio of me talking
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saying like thousands and thousands of words and this podcast is just even more of that
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so yeah that's uh i've just accepted that i think all right one more thing from a couple
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more things from i o google and samsung merging wear os and tizen on a new
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smartwatch software experience it's cool it looked really good yeah but there's
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no hardware yet no i really want to see the hardware i think like the the main
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one of the main questions i get asked by people who know i work here is like is there gonna be a new google watch
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like when are we getting a google watch and you know this isn't necessarily a google watch but we're seeing
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samsung who a lot of people really really enjoy their watches and them coming together which hopefully means
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something's coming in the future and it has potential as well they're saying it's gonna have improved battery life
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faster loading times for apps smoother animations it also makes developers lives way easier because now you just
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have one platform to develop on between two of them that's important um and then there's also
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the other thing they mentioned was standalone google maps without the need of a cell phone which is awesome and then
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spotify's got offline downloads for music so this like sounds like really really good things if you have
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use your watch for fitness and you're going for runs and you don't you know have your phone with you to stay connected to but
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like you said no hardware i mean samsung's been doing great with hardware
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i think there's some talk of maybe a new google watch but when is there not talk of a new google watch coming out
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yeah but they've been rumbling for a while and i feel like this is the year for them to
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do it especially if pixel happens the way we think pixel is going to happen which is they have their own silicon and they're
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starting to vertically integrate more and they launch a watch alongside it like that would all sort of make sense this
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year i guess every year it doesn't happen it makes even more sense for them to do it that year but i'm just saying i think this is a good
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year for that um i also every time i review the apple watch like to look on the other side of the fence
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and see if there's anything anywhere close and i reviewed the one plus watch lately and it's not close so
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seriously yeah i'm excited for this um cameras being aware of different skin
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tones this is this was i really was interested in this one so photography how far
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back do i go with this how deep do i go photography in standard cameras is pretty
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straightforward there's not a whole lot of computation happening smartphone cameras with computational
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photography make a lot of adjustments and smart decisions based on the data that the
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sensor gathers so they'll take a bunch of exposures and do different you know merging of different areas
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based on the exposure so highlights will use part of the exposure and shadows will come from a different shot and faces and then they start to get
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even more like intense where they'll take like the frame where you're smiling where the
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background is empty because there's no lady walking blurred in the background so they're starting to merge realities
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into one frame um so the photos that come out of our smartphones are actually
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representative of the development that goes into them and something we've always at least i've
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always noticed is a lot of smartphones have trouble especially on the selfie camera with darker skin tones
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especially when there's a lot of bright objects around you'll just sort of become a shadow and so
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specifically on google on stage they they decided and announced that they would be
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adjusting for darker skin tones and and trying to make those more accurate specifically because people with darker
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skin didn't feel correctly represented in their photos and this is weird because it's just something i like accepted for a while i
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was like smartphone cameras are just going to do the best they can for the average skin tone which is much lighter and that's
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just the way it is and if my skin tone is darker than that i'm just gonna look like not quite right in photos and that's just something i've
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just accepted and so google making that conscious adjustment and i hope to see it actually
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in action pretty soon it was really cool yeah a couple things i'm interested in is like one how well it does when then there are
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multiple skin tones i can only assume they're not doing this to just be like
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recognize one person in the photo has darker skin and then adjusts everything around it i'm assuming they're just going to be able to adjust parts of
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photos in order to correctly yeah expose everything i'm really excited
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especially if this comes out this year my favorite video every year is the smartphone bracket and the blind smartphone camera test
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exactly and one of the first shots we always do is a photo of you and it's generally in a pretty well lit
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could consider bright space and it's always the most wildly different because phones from all
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over the place just completely have their own a mind of their own in terms of how they're going
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to expose things i mean it gets to the point where i think iphone last year or two years ago just
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like blew everything just that's where you see computational photography at work it's like the iphone has decided that it wants to
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turn a certain thing white or it needs to turn a certain thing neutral and once it's decided that the
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whole rest of the frame just sort of falls in step with that decision yeah and yeah i feel like a lot of the ones
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that were taking the best photos were just the ones not getting thrown off by too many different
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you know stimuli in the photo so yeah one of the earliest photos we always take is was one of the most telling
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so yeah maybe this uh we'll see how it just rolls out in the google photos update sometime soon this is the other thing about io is almost every
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single thing they announced on stage was like coming later this year coming early next year
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coming in the upcoming months like we didn't really get dates for any of these things which is a
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little worrying some of them you just feel like it's a you'll never see this again for the rest of your life like the um
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we keep referencing we keep referencing the chain link fence which was a software
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google photos feature 2017 i think it was announced on stage and it had a big wow moment on stage and then it just
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straight up never happens never i have photos of chain link fences on my phone saving them for when it comes out
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someday they'll get rid of the fence but it was announced and never happened so i guess that's the nature of software but
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that's uh that's interesting to me to see how that goes um another one do you want to talk about
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this one i just photos before before we get to android 12 i just like threw this in there's they had that like small
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section of like animated google photos where it would take your photos and pretty much animate them
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and i just want to say it was really weird and creepy and just to paint a picture it's another
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just like blurring of reality is it is it taking like a live photo
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and kind of doing or is it doing the thing where it like you know you can take a singular photo and kind of like
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distort the perspective a little bit and it looks like somebody's moving is that yeah so this is basically taking
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advantage of the fact that most people actually take a bunch of photos of a single scene
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and that's kind of the way it goes like a bunch of people get in front of a wall and you just fire firefighter
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firefighter you take like eight nine ten photos and you only really need one of them but google's noticed people don't really
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use the rest and if they look at all of those photos there might be like a pattern of something someone flips their hair someone you
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know walks into the photo something cool happens and then they'll just make an animation out of that and
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they've kind of been doing that in google photos i think i have a video or a slideshow of mac doing
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something because i take like 12 photos of mac trying to get him to look at the camera and then he looks at the camera
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and then you have this like 20 photo long sequence of him not looking at the camera
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now i'm just gonna have an automatic google animation of mac just looking at the camera like that which is
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a little creepy it's gonna be really funny when those ones like bug out and it's like five pictures but the fifth one or like
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one in the middle is mac like whipping his head to the wrong side and just like the animation is back turning his head and then it just like
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says like a mountain it's completely the wrong direction man yeah that'll be
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if that ever happens it's just gonna have a lot of meme potential i feel like true and some people are gonna think
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it's really cool for and then show their friends once and never use it again i think i would chalk that in that
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that category seems likely but one of the biggest parts that we were interested in is android 12.
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we finally got our look at android 12 which is not named after a suite again it's just
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android 12. it's the newest version but it is i i think we can safely say the biggest
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overhaul in the visual style and the look of android since the beginning which is really
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interesting there's also a bunch of new features added in but i just generally i feel like we
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really haven't seen android make big visual steps for a while and every time i talk about this
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in videos it's always like all right here's my top five new features of android
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you know 10. whatever 11. whatever keep in mind it's very mature and there's not a whole
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lot to change here because the earlier versions of android would just go hollow and then you know material design and they would
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just change up all the time until they figured out their thing so we've kind of been in a groove for a while so this is a big change for
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android so let's go ahead we actually have david sitting over here right off camera if you want to slide in here
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hello boys oh welcome to the welcome to the table i'm here i don't know how you got
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here so you've been there the whole time i don't really know how i got here either i was actually in the studio and now
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suddenly i'm here it's a teleporting machine yeah i knew it yes all right david tell us about
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these conversations you had and what you found out because obviously android 12 looks really different i'm not sure if they have reasons why do they even
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talk about that or does it just happen yes um there are reasons why there is so much to go over here
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um real quick i want to give people like do you guys know like why material design existed in the first place
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no uh i feel like i have my my general thought on it which is it's material
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it's supposed to feel like part of reality like if you almost like the skeuomorphic theory where yeah the the materials that
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overlap in in real life feel like the materials that overlap in a digital space and it tactically makes sense to you right
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yeah so like back in 2014 when they made material design it was kind of supposed to be this guideline for developers to
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understand how to make digital interfaces that felt like materials right because the definition
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of making something intuitive is that you already know how to use it and if you already know how to use
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paper so why shouldn't you know how to use a digital interface so that's why if you look in like
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google keep or like any other google app that uses a material kind of interface
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it's all these like floating things that are over the top of each other and they have hamburger menus and they move over
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each other um but at this point material design it's a little bit outdated um just
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because like you like you mentioned specifically skeuomorphism right that was the thing that was very popular for a long time
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in kind of like building technological interfaces but over time we've kind of gotten to
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this point where like people are feeling a little bit disconnected from their technology right uh
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everything feels a little bit industrial you look at our imac pros and our mac pros and like everything is
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just very like metal box right um so anyway like you mentioned i talked to
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uh liam sprout spreadlin who is a design advocate at google for material
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design uh he's been working on the material design team for a long time and i kind of talked to him about like okay
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what was the like motivation towards this move towards material u what are you guys trying to really get out of it and what like
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what should people be excited about for it so right now i'm gonna play a little game with you guys if you're down i'm gonna play
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three clips um that uh from the conversation that i had with liam and there are gonna be there's three
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pillars of material u that they really made in order to like
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kind of be the foundations of what they want this to be so we're gonna play the clips and then i want you guys to guess what these
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pillars are okay three pillars does winner get anything uh i'll make a meme of you sweet that's
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gonna happen anyways but yeah okay all right adam if you can take
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that away sure um i think i mean i think that happens constantly throughout the
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process and there's a lot of stuff like that from uh previous iterations of material
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as well um i think like something that comes to mind is doing explorations with a few folks
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of like what uh what one interface might look like across a range of scenarios and pushing for instance like
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the layout of controls on a screen or like the placement or the size and like pushing those as
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far as you possibly can until it's like very obviously broken
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yeah and then like figuring out why it's very obviously broken and trying to bring it back to a place that's still like
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um doing something new but completely functional are we guessing now what that
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theme is uh yeah let's guess now let's guess now so based on everything he said um there's a lot of you know it's a lot
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of words yeah but what what do you think that theme was
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sounded just like responsiveness between uh mobile and tablet and desktop you know
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having this understandable flow between different news sizes continuity so you said sizes sizes
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is one of the big pillars that i grabbed from this conversation okay yeah so we're gonna play the next
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one something that i realized recently was something that matthias said in the presentation was this thing about like
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form follows feeling and i had to like think about that for a while and to like understand how that
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works with the system and i and i think like
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it's you know we're probably familiar with like the rhetorical
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device of form follows function or you know debating the relationship
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between form and function like the form has to accommodate the function and is
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therefore always informed by the function but then after you've formed it the function can change
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so okay yeah i know i know it's a lot um it's a lot uh what would you guys say this pillar
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is form function i mean was the word
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function so form following function yeah so form shape form over
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function of x okay yes okay uh so that one that one's shape i know this is this is
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a yeah i've i've tried to this is gonna it's it's a mini game size we're playing sizes and shapes shape and then there's
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one more that we're gonna play and then we're gonna really dive into this sure i think from a color perspective
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color expression is something that we've always been trying to build on in material and i think that like as we
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approached this from the mindset of creating something that's adaptive and something that changes for every user like that seemed
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like a huge potential component of that
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sure so typically um when you're designing an experience
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there are accessibility guidelines for the contrast that two colors should have against each other and these guidelines change based on whether it's
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like body size text or large text or even if it's something like an
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icon or a decorative element or something like that and what we found is that extracting
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colors and generating tonal palettes for them based on the hue
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values and um yeah based on the hue values was
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not consistent enough to allow us to get this universal approach to extracting colors from
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pretty much anything and applying that to ui um but we did find that measuring the luminosity of that got us
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got us to a place where we could reliably generate like how many ever tonal palettes it is and
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select certain spots within those palettes that would work together in an interface
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i think i think like behind the scenes when when the colors are being generated
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there's dozens of colors so it could be 40 50 60 because we're extracting like a certain type of color
00:27:07
from the image like the colors that are salient to the image and then also ones that might be
00:27:12
accents or secondary kind of um a secondary level of saliency i guess
00:27:19
and then from there extrapolating those into each their own tonal palettes
00:27:24
and drawing from those in various ways okay so um they're called they're called
00:27:31
a thick color this one was the easier one this one's the easiest one yeah so okay that's a lot that's a lot
00:27:37
um does a lot but based on our conversation these are the three pillars that i kind of pulled out
00:27:43
about material u right we've got size shape and color as like the main reasons that google
00:27:48
wanted to like the main things google wanted to bring to android right
00:27:54
so a big part of android 12 is if you've seen it uh everything's big
00:28:00
yeah you know it's like huge huge yeah huge even and and liam told me that like you know
00:28:05
the settings menu the quick settings menu the there's the clock on the front of the phone that
00:28:11
when the display's off massive massive but it feels good right i would say it's the number one thing in our discord that people
00:28:17
were talking about yeah i got announced was like oh everything is so big i don't know how i feel about that and it's very
00:28:24
different yeah yeah it's a very forward-facing thing um and what liam told me is that like they
00:28:30
decided they wanted to kind of like mess with things until they broke and
00:28:35
then understand why they were broken and then kind of pull it back and so they were messing with size and
00:28:42
they were like this still feels fine this still feels fine yeah this is this is interesting to me because i saw that
00:28:48
that is also we can probably talk more about color in a bit but the number one thing i noticed was with the size of like the buttons and the
00:28:54
spacing of how far apart things were is i always feel like there was this subtle maybe it was even
00:29:01
said before this subtle mission to get rid of unnecessary empty space and the more
00:29:06
they had like blank white space in between buttons or in between text the more it felt like
00:29:11
things were wasted so they wanted to like put an icon there or or tighten things up just a little bit so you could see more get more
00:29:17
information out of this big screen phone you have and so this pretty radical
00:29:23
flip of that switch to like whatever we don't need to maximize all this space we want to give you big touch targets big understandable
00:29:30
information and if you gotta scroll then you gotta scroll uh is really fascinating i wonder if it
00:29:36
has to do with just the fact that our phones are bigger than they used to be and you don't need to maximize the amount of stuff on that screen
00:29:42
but also it doesn't look terrible yeah i think it's a combination of things right like there's that almost the
00:29:48
aspect of digital well-being where what we've always wanted to do with screens is just
00:29:54
maximize information density right that's always been kind of the goal is just like how do we get as much
00:30:00
information on a screen as possible especially on something that's in our pocket it's like for some reason there's this
00:30:06
there's this like linear idea that the more information you have the more productive you can be
00:30:11
but now we're kind of scaling these things back to like what if we just want to focus on doing one thing
00:30:17
right and so the quick settings menu is a good example it's massive yep you have six options instead of 20.
00:30:25
but you generally only need to use like one of those six anyway yeah that is a
00:30:30
good point when i open quick settings it's not because i'm here to go flip five different settings i'm here to
00:30:35
swipe down and hit note like airplane mode and leave or i'm here to swipe down and hit the flashlight button
00:30:41
for like five seconds and turn it back off and leave so having a huge easily findable icon and
00:30:48
touch point is theoretically better form and function yeah than having nine of
00:30:54
them clustered next to each other just for the sake of information density so i guess i get that uh the way you
00:31:00
explained it kind of made because as i'm looking at this i'm thinking about how i generally set up my computer
00:31:05
or my phone and and i'm the kind of person who drags everything to the smallest size possible and i think like my phone the whole
00:31:13
front of it's completely blank basically and just has a couple apps on it and but when i look at the
00:31:18
these new designs for material you i i like them despite them being so big and and the more i think about that
00:31:24
using you mentioning focusing on something i think the reason i dislike having my whole page filled with
00:31:30
apps on my phone or maybe big icons on my desktop is like it's too
00:31:35
much it's too cluttered there's too many things that are distracting and and when i make things very small i can
00:31:40
almost ignore it right i only have four icons on my phone i'm focused on
00:31:45
those things those are what i want so and like marquez said like he said like when you bring down quick
00:31:50
settings you only are generally going to do one thing shooting first if you on your home screen you only have four apps maybe those are the four apps you generally
00:31:56
use anyway did you ever have a phase where you you have you had like no no icons on your home screen oh yeah
00:32:03
i had a my life right now do you currently are you a zero app person right now yeah i was i had this i had okay i'm
00:32:10
gonna just describe this i don't know if i can find a video where i did this because i don't even know if it's on my own channel but i had a
00:32:15
setup on my phone where it was just a clock right and
00:32:22
there were obviously you could swipe up and you knew that certain gestures would like do certain things like open the app
00:32:27
drawer so i could get to apps but then i went so far as like mapping certain blank widgets to do different things so
00:32:35
i would touch the clock it would open the clock i would touch the top corner because i knew that would open the weather
00:32:40
and i didn't want to have to or i could like swipe over and get to my
00:32:45
contacts so yeah i had that that set up for a while and it was real it felt really good it was really clean
00:32:51
and minimal and then i think i got a new phone and i was like this whole setup was
00:32:56
a little over the top and then i just went back to just putting icons it's like a chore to keep things clean
00:33:02
i like i feel like every time i set up a new computer i hope i'm not the only one that does this but like
00:33:07
completely blank yeah desktop completely blank and then you slowly just start saving things in there and then it gets
00:33:13
really messy and you're like okay and then you make a folder called desktop and then you drag everything into that so i only have
00:33:20
one one icon there and then six months later yeah messy new new
00:33:25
desktop and drag all that including the old desktop folder okay into that and it's just
00:33:30
spirals out of control yeah i haven't done i haven't done the desktop everything folder but i do
00:33:36
consciously decide time to clean this up and i will delete a bunch of stuff yeah make it cleaner yeah it's
00:33:42
uh like real quick it's funny like you mentioned like uh making your home screen as basic as possible and then like
00:33:48
adding complexity to systems in order to like quick launch something with
00:33:54
three taps of a button or like hitting a space on the you know just like yeah it's it's this weird obsession that
00:34:00
we have and so if that's the case if we're gonna be doing that why not just make things bigger
00:34:06
because then it looks cleaner it does look clean and you still have the same functionality so i don't want to spend too much time on
00:34:12
shape or on size um but i think that's a big thing and then also material u is supposed to be
00:34:18
kind of a universal um a universal design language that works across
00:34:23
devices so across tablets phones watch all that stuff uh
00:34:28
watch yeah i mean um but the uh the nest hub obviously okay if you
00:34:34
look at nest hub right now it almost has a material you ish look uh a lot of big a lot of big icons
00:34:43
and and it's the same idea of like when you walk up to the nest tub generally you're going to be using google assistant with your voice but
00:34:48
like just big thing so you can see it across the room you can turn a light on you can do this a light switch is a big thing on the wall
00:34:55
right it's not like it's this little tiny thing you gotta poke at um so yeah so it's it's just
00:35:01
this way to like just kind of like stretch things to the biggest thing you can make them and if they feel uncomfortable
00:35:07
scale it back but surprisingly people are okay with things feeling big yeah um
00:35:13
anyway so second pillar shape shapes this is one that i find really
00:35:18
interesting i feel like shapes are very subjective yeah just you either like it or you don't yeah that's just me
00:35:24
yeah yeah you know but but uh you had mentioned earlier the skeumorphism right yep so when google made material design um
00:35:32
design has kind of always been about like keeping similar you know design is
00:35:39
basically if you have a design language it means that everything should kind of fit into that language everything should
00:35:44
feel cohesive and the easiest way to do that is to make things skeuomorphic so if you look at like widgets
00:35:50
in um old android before they redesign the widgets they're like rectangles with some more
00:35:56
rectangles inside they're super basic squared off i remember the leather notebook days of like you'd open the
00:36:02
notebook app and it would just be like a leather notebook on the top and you could write on the lines of the paper yeah
00:36:08
yeah sometimes so like this obsession with skeumorphism but this is another thing that kind of i think plays into the like
00:36:15
our tech no longer like it doesn't feel human it feels industrial right and we you know especially in the
00:36:22
last year with like the pandemic and everything everyone's started to feel like very disconnected from their tech they feel like it's
00:36:27
almost creating like a negative headspace for them and like a good way to like make tech
00:36:33
feel more natural to you is to try to make it feel more human and what are humans we're really freaking messy we are not
00:36:40
perfect we have stuff on the floor in our rooms you know the our desks are whatever so like if you
00:36:47
look at um the new widgets for example that google is adding to material you i think
00:36:52
is one of the coolest updates because they're taking the skeuomorphic idea and they're just throwing it in the
00:36:59
garbage can like basically yeah completely if you look at some of these animations andrew's got a computer here um the clock uh the home
00:37:07
screen clock widget that they added is i think one of my favorite things it's really it's like this is
00:37:13
this okay like marquez did say uh shape is uh you know a little subjective feel to it
00:37:19
i feel like this is definitely something that's gonna no it's i'm gonna have i was gonna take me some time to get used to i feel
00:37:25
like brandon would be big into this i'm this feels very brilliant i'm big big into it i like ins if you think of like this is
00:37:32
like the form follows function follows feeling thing that they were talking about that matthias was talking about
00:37:38
so like obviously okay if you have a you need a function you say i need a clock the form of the
00:37:44
clock the most basic form of making a clock is making it a circle right because that is literally how you
00:37:50
need you need a circle so that you can measure things against degrees
00:37:55
but uh the form of a circle is not super human it's very skeuomorphic
00:38:01
so then if you say okay let's take that form and kind of add a human element into it
00:38:08
this is the kind of perfect example of that of like adding kind of this weird sun shape
00:38:15
yeah marquez looks like he has some opinions almost like a toy like a just no
00:38:22
it's i so okay the the part you the point you made earlier about uh tech being more industrial
00:38:30
and i i actually really like the clean minimal hardware aesthetic
00:38:37
robot like when you look at no i mean like you look at maybe it's just because it's a work thing but like this desk being perfectly rectangular or
00:38:44
being very thin i refused to get a certain standing desk even though it was probably just as good
00:38:50
because the front of it was like this sloping curve that you would like be in the curve and it would curve around you
00:38:56
and it's this human natural shape i was like nah just give me a rectangle i think was that one of those gaming desks no it was like an updesk or something and like
00:39:02
the pro display xcr being this perfect rectangle with like the solid straight back edges
00:39:08
like i just i like my ui and my interface to be a certain level of clean and so this
00:39:16
android 12 aesthetic definitely deviates from the typical
00:39:22
clean aesthetic that i'm used to it is still pretty flat here's a question for you though yeah here's a question for you though
00:39:28
like clean could work for anybody right
00:39:34
but weird shapes that you get to like dictate yourself and decide like maybe i
00:39:39
want this oval maybe i want this to be a star maybe i want this to be this would you say that that you know adds a
00:39:45
level of like personal touch to it i mean yeah i totally get what you mean because
00:39:51
i also like love the way the pro display xdr looks and i do like industrial looking things um
00:39:58
but for things that we use like every single day like our smartphone like
00:40:03
i'm of the opinion that like adding as much personal touch to that as possible and i think that's why people customize their home screen so much
00:40:09
i agree i just do all that personal touch with color okay and so i really like the color part
00:40:14
which we're about to get into but i would much rather have a bunch of rectangles with the exact same radius
00:40:20
and let me change the colors of each of the things so i can identify function yeah rather than
00:40:25
just squiggling all sorts of random different radii and shapes in there yeah okay before we get to color i do
00:40:30
want to say that um they did mention that like while the shapes are weird and kind of
00:40:37
like feel sort of random they still they're quirky uh they still do follow design principles
00:40:42
so like i would call this super clean it's just uh yeah it's like workier it's clean
00:40:48
yeah it's that it's that in between of stretching to something to where it almost feels uncomfortable but then still using like
00:40:55
the same radii the same you know that clock widget has the same curve it's not the same radii that's the thing
00:41:01
like it's flat but not clean like the i'm just looking at this
00:41:07
so like these icons circles this weather widget not quite a circle this circle widget also squiggly not this so these are all
00:41:14
fundamentally different shapes and different radii this is a a different radiation like everything on the entire screen
00:41:21
should be okay so you're saying the cohesiveness between all the different widgets um yeah i think you have the ability to do
00:41:27
that if you want though okay right so that's kind of the there there's introducing a lot of different things and
00:41:32
and also like the widgets they're adding so much functionality we just think god like android widgets have been
00:41:39
they haven't been updated for so long google once yeah the stock because the third-party ones i always go straight to
00:41:44
the third-party ones and there's tons so i'm happy to see google update there but i think google was very pressured by apple because
00:41:50
now that apple added widgets and they're actually pretty good how about that yeah right how about happening i know
00:41:57
okay yeah yeah um but they added a lot of cool things to the widgets like like there's so many different elements
00:42:03
they added like these radio boxes and just like you can do so many crazy things and google is trying to update
00:42:09
we'll see if it actually happens they're trying to update the widgets for all of their core apps and kind of use them as examples of the
00:42:16
different things that you can do now with all the new widget apis they're adding which is cool so
00:42:21
okay that's good last one and i think the one that probably sticks out like
00:42:26
the most if not the second most to people is color right uh i think the core fundamental part of
00:42:32
android 12 that i think is gonna make it feel very personal is this
00:42:38
new color palette thing that the system is building for you and if you think about it your wallpaper
00:42:44
is like the first thing that you do to personalize your phone and the most personal thing that you do to
00:42:50
personalize your phone right almost every single person has a different wallpaper change your wallpaper change your life
00:42:56
that's exactly i saw your tweet the other day exactly if you think about it like we were just talking before about
00:43:02
minimalism on desktops and stuff and that's probably because all of us really enjoy the wallpaper that we're posting
00:43:07
on that and want less clutter taking over that wallpaper yeah yeah so so what google is doing here is
00:43:13
they're basically they they derive this algorithm that takes the like base colors from your wallpaper
00:43:21
and then it derives a palette from that yeah so it's like looking at your wallpaper finding
00:43:26
what the color palette is of that wallpaper and then making your system theme that color palette yeah super cool yeah
00:43:34
would love to see it work on different images and wallpapers like i want to take a picture of the studio and see what it decides
00:43:40
the color palette is super interesting to me so something really cool about it too is they were messing with this right
00:43:46
they wanted to make this universal algorithm that could work for any photo and at first they were like
00:43:52
okay when we're developing this algorithm that creates this palette like how do we decide like what colors
00:43:59
are based on the palette like okay you can take like a color that's almost exactly the same as the primary color in
00:44:04
the wallpaper you can take a complimentary color because it pops against it and they're still
00:44:10
they're still doing that but they don't want to just have like two colors for the theme right and by the way this um
00:44:17
color palette gets applied to your entire system theme which is awesome and you can change it you can change it manually
00:44:22
but it's like an automatic thing so your quick settings will change color like uh that clock on the front will
00:44:28
change color so the cool thing is that they're taking like a complementary color like something like
00:44:33
orange if you have a blue wallpaper and that will be sort of an accent but the way that they're creating like
00:44:39
the main color palette is they're using luminosity so instead of changing hues because hues if you were to like
00:44:47
that's physically shifting the color right that doesn't always work universally across like every single
00:44:54
image but changing the luminosity of a color just making something brighter or
00:44:59
something darker automatically adds contrast so that's something that ended up
00:45:04
working for them and they they were stretching this like forever they finally came across this luminosity thing if you look at this
00:45:09
animation of like showing the clock on the front of the display and you think like how do they always make sure that the
00:45:16
clock looks good on this photo it's got contrast because it takes the primary color and then it adds a little bit of
00:45:22
luminosity so if you add if you add brightness or darkness to a color it it adds contrast naturally
00:45:29
which is really cool yeah so it matches but you can still read it without it getting lost exactly yeah it's really smart and it
00:45:35
just like applies it to the system theme and i think this idea of like making your device
00:45:40
feel more personal to you color is such a good way to do that because your wallpaper is like the first
00:45:46
and most important personal touch that you can add yeah can i ask a personal question sure
00:45:54
i know there's that kind of podcast how often do you change your wallet i wanted to ask this and what is your wallpaper is it an
00:46:00
abstract is it a photo of a thing or a person i knew this was gonna come out eventually today
00:46:06
i'm just i'm curious i have i have a bunch of like hard rules for my own wallpapers i changed my wallpaper maybe once every
00:46:14
three months on my phone something like that yeah and it is always abstract yes always abstract it's
00:46:20
never a photo and i've always found those too busy and too contrasty interesting and i always like to roast my sister for
00:46:26
having in the past she's had a photo of herself as her wallpaper and i like roasting her for that because
00:46:32
i think you should just not do that but i'm curious what you guys do um yeah okay so
00:46:38
obviously when i was reviewing a new phone every single week i changed my wallpaper every time i would
00:46:43
set up a new phone right um just because you know people in the comment sections always want to know what your wallpaper is and it's like just fun
00:46:49
i tend to use like photos that i find on uh on reddit uh the analog the film photography
00:46:55
subreddit and then also photos that some of my friends take that are great photographers so photos
00:47:00
so photos so like right now i am using this photo um from my friend brian who just took this
00:47:07
i don't know you probably don't know recording but it's like it's just a
00:47:13
photo of like a desert now on an iphone since all the icons have to be at the top do you think about that yeah
00:47:18
yeah and i freaking hate it part of my reason i can't do it i can't i really really really hate ios a lot
00:47:26
that's one of the biggest problems with wallpapers in ios is 90 of photos don't work because the most important part of
00:47:31
the photo is at the top behind all your icons yeah so if you do a photo of a person their face is somewhere in the icons
00:47:37
it just doesn't work so you do something else there's also one that i found that specifically adds a blur to the
00:47:44
image so it's not just a straight photo but you import it into this app adds like a slight blur you can adjust it
00:47:49
just it makes it a little more make that your wallpaper then the icons pop a little bit it's a little more flat and it looks like more of a render but
00:47:56
it's still your photo yeah that could be cool yeah what was your let's do it for audio listeners let's just
00:48:01
we'll have one other person describe the other person so oh yeah
00:48:07
i'm gonna go lock screen first because that's the cleanest on iphone oh yeah all right so desert foreground with a
00:48:13
lot of really cool lines coming towards you at the camera and then in the background some mountains and you have a skyline
00:48:19
and a moon the moon is like really cool the moon is important to me because you
00:48:24
can uh in between the icons it fits in between the icons so you can still see
00:48:30
it yeah but i what i really like pretty frequently what i like about the front or the lock screen is the when the time comes
00:48:36
up it's perfectly like on the horizon yeah and looks really clean then again my issue with iphone is once
00:48:42
you go into the icon i know it looks so everything it's still nice that you still get these lines on
00:48:47
the bottom and the sand coming at you but yeah then it ruins the whole photo okay and all those notifications too all
00:48:54
right i will describe marquez's this is i've used this one for a while which which okay mac os wallpaper is
00:48:59
this uh or ios i don't even know i think it was mac ios i think that was plus that was mac
00:49:06
os right right before the current one yeah i think it's a big sur wallpaper yeah yeah yeah great wallpaper to me because it
00:49:11
separates my highs and lows it's abstract so it's not too crazy here's my lock screen got my time up
00:49:17
there in the blue easy got the the red which matches the red yeah uh it's just a bunch of stripes yeah
00:49:23
yeah i think you've actually become quite known for these style of wallpapers colorful
00:49:30
hard line very contrasty lines and then yeah yeah but i'm totally cool with like adding a blur to this or having
00:49:36
something like sort of clean and like simple yeah because as soon as i start going like a photo
00:49:42
there'll be like a tree in it that's like too busy and then the icon over the tree doesn't quite overlap the tree the right way and it's
00:49:48
just all off can i say that google search bar drives me insane it does a little bit i've got the tiny
00:49:54
google search bar i want to search by hitting the g which doesn't bring up the search thing so i would have to
00:50:00
have a bigger search bar i needed to actually hit the search thing to open the keyboard straight away so that does
00:50:06
annoy me sometimes but i do like keeping it yeah i'm not a fan of that okay i'm gonna describe andrew's wallpaper and uh i think this is hilarious because
00:50:12
i used this as my windows 10 desktop wallpaper is that a firewatch wall for a year is it it's like firewatch style i don't
00:50:18
know firewatch style this one and the one that has the deer in it are like yeah
00:50:23
that might actually probably be the one with the deer it's just because it might be but it's cut off because i think my desktop at home has the same so
00:50:30
you know what's funny about this this is almost a combination between like the extreme cleanness and colorfulness
00:50:35
of marquez's and then a little bit more detail that like is in mine um it frames the time it frames the time
00:50:42
very well the time could be like the moon does it bother you that you can't get rid of the google widget at the very top or do you use
00:50:49
that dayton i actually really like how it looks there to be honest it's like nice white contrast on the darker sky and then i mean
00:50:57
weather right there i'm totally fine with that yeah yeah so anyway uh a little off topic wait wait wait wait wait wait wanna oh guess how
00:51:03
long i've had this wallpaper for because since you're very different you've got that
00:51:08
since i got my pixel 3. wow and i just transferred it same wallpaper i have attempted to
00:51:14
change it and i look at it once after i'm like oh this is really nice i set it all up and then i like
00:51:19
turn my phone on and i'm like whose phone is this and then i just changed no exactly what paper change
00:51:24
that's exactly exactly because i changed my own favor so infrequently that like it feels so good
00:51:30
when i change my wallpaper i feel like i got a new phone basically for one image i don't even change the layout that much but when i do change my wallpaper it
00:51:37
changes the whole mood of when i use the phone if i if i'll do like a darker like simpler wallpaper
00:51:42
i'll be like it's all business like my screen on time is getting cut in half like i'm not using my phone yeah those people that just have the
00:51:48
black oled wallpapers and nothing else one of my friends is like that he's a maximalist and he just has icons everywhere and you just use a
00:51:55
black oled wallpaper just like holy oh look at adam right now adam oh i'd pass out um okay and then
00:52:01
something i want to bring up too is like they if you think about
00:52:07
this what i think is kind of cool about material u is that if you look at google's product stack
00:52:12
right they've kind of always they developed a hardware look over the last few years and it started
00:52:19
with the original google home looks like an air freshener sits in your uh in your kitchen it's white so it blends
00:52:27
into that white wall kind of like the imac you know the bezel and they kind of developed this like friendly they use a
00:52:34
lot of materials um like these fibers the mesh mesh fibers that are kind of like these
00:52:40
bright cheery colors and they developed this like hardware design look
00:52:46
but the software design didn't really connect with that it didn't really like
00:52:52
you know it was very different it was just kind of like android on top of that but now because luminosity like
00:52:59
when you when you bring up luminosity you bring down luminosity it skews towards palette uh pastels and there's a lot of pastel in
00:53:07
android 12 and a lot of the materials and fibers that they use in a lot of google's
00:53:12
hardware are pastel you look at the new google tv pink pastel yeah blue pastel you look at their the
00:53:20
nest hubs they the fibers they used are pastel colors those apples color scheme too they've got all
00:53:25
these pastels ipads this laptop all these like yeah light green light red
00:53:31
i think that might be just be a design trend in right now you know um but it's kind of cool that
00:53:38
google is finally starting to feel like their software is becoming more cohesive with the hardware it lives on
00:53:44
and that's something that like obviously apple has done really well for a long time they kind of developed that but
00:53:50
google's have kind of always had this like separate hardware team separate software team but now it's it's feeling more cohesive
00:53:55
and then if you want to really look into the future it's like they're doing white chapel now so like
00:54:02
they're to me it looks like they have this master plan and i know i'm probably like just projecting here but like it
00:54:08
feels like they have this master plan where they really want to create an ecosystem of products that feels cohesive
00:54:14
because traditionally they've just made a ton of random stuff that sort of works together sometimes but now everything is
00:54:20
kind of like merging so it feels like they're moving towards kind of that apple direction but either
00:54:25
way i think uh just kind of wrap up the material you stuff i think that material u is like
00:54:30
like you said one of the biggest changes they've made in a very long time oh yeah i think that they're going to stick with
00:54:36
this design for a while um because they haven't really changed
00:54:41
anything significantly since like after they got off hollow you know they moved off hollow hollow was a fun time
00:54:47
whatever do you remember like the tron look of like a tablet the zoom yeah that was that was
00:54:54
peak like hollow yeah just like the light the light blue against black yeah tron days it was it was great so yeah no
00:55:01
i mean um i think i think that's about it for material u but i personally am a big fan
00:55:07
i think we'll have to see how it plays out once we actually get this and i should know also the material you that we see that we're
00:55:13
talking about right now specifically is tailored to pixel six um or to pixel right so so just like
00:55:21
material design was like a guideline to show developers how they could make their apps feel more natural feel more
00:55:27
like intuitive on devices material u is also sort of like that obviously the widgets
00:55:33
um are going to feel very material you all the time but the stuff like the universal color
00:55:38
palette across android like that's something that you have to add in those like as an api so like whether or not these um
00:55:46
oems decide to implement a lot of stuff is very up to them it would be cool if we saw it more but
00:55:52
you know that if you get a pixel you're gonna get this yeah so and i'm also i'm really curious to see how the
00:55:59
third-party apps and widgets update and will they fall in line with this sort of squiggly
00:56:05
quirky look we'll see because i like my rectangular widgets right now um all right well thank you david for
00:56:11
for talking to us about material u and we'll probably end up with an android 12 video on the channel at some point with
00:56:16
all the new features and everything but i think it's a perfect segue to talking about the friendly looking new imac
00:56:22
and one imac so let's talk about that all right so uh m1 imac we clearly i gave it a glowing
00:56:29
review when it first was announced i i love the design style white bezels are my absolute favorite um
00:56:38
i have lightened up to it a little bit i'll i'll admit it looks good in some scenarios it is not for me
00:56:44
but you're really amped to talk about it so i'll let you take this one you know that is the key word here it is
00:56:49
not for us no i think that is that is such a such an underrated thing when we talk about
00:56:55
products is like these are hyper not hyper targeted but a lot of these generalist
00:57:00
seeming products are really for a certain demographic that does not include us it's funny because the demographic is
00:57:06
probably more general but it's hyper focused on the general demographic right it's like when you watch like
00:57:12
a children's video on youtube you're like how does anyone watch this this is not this isn't it's not funny
00:57:17
it's not entertaining but for the very large audience that it's for it's great
00:57:23
um even for music i feel like that's another anyway so for this computer the m1 imac um
00:57:29
it is as apple would probably describe it a very basic general really capable and
00:57:36
versatile all-in-one desktop computer yeah uh part of it which is the part we're talking about the most is
00:57:42
the design because basically when it comes down to it it's the m1 again just in a new
00:57:47
dress just a new package so we've talked about the m1 macbook pro the m1 macbook air is the same chip and
00:57:53
one mac mini is the same chip and we'll talk about the m1 ipad in a minute but ultimately it's uh this same
00:58:00
computer with a 24 inch 4.5 k display and whatever design they wanted to make so
00:58:06
the design they chose was an 11 and a half millimeter thin sliver
00:58:12
of a metal desktop with a nice big chin white bezels and a not height adjustable stand but the
00:58:18
whole thing is like 10 pounds so it's actually like it's great i moved it first of all moving the old imax
00:58:24
despite how small they were sucked because of how it it like went down into a point it was
00:58:30
actually sharp to like move those around and they they weighed a good amount i mean it's a lot of computer in there for how small it is
00:58:36
but i just moved this one out of the oh because we had to return our review unit
00:58:41
it's pretty crazy it like really feels like you're just carrying a really big laptop yeah with a weird stand coming in
00:58:47
it's funny i actually think the i didn't say this in the video but i should have i think the the pads at the bottom aren't sticky enough
00:58:55
because i feel like i bump the computer and it just just slides over and it's just too easy to slide
00:59:00
that thing is it's very light um our two most controversial
00:59:07
observations about this imac or the chin and the white bezel yeah uh the white bezel i feel like i at
00:59:14
least understand yes i fully get what they're going for which is okay this is gonna be a nice
00:59:19
friendly looking computer it has a nice pastel look on the front which is different from the dark color on the back
00:59:25
but if you're putting this in a room like a living room or a dining room or a kitchen or a
00:59:31
bedroom or a random home office or something like that eight times out of ten it's a white wall behind it and it turns out that's
00:59:38
typically the best way to look like not an industrial box but like a nice friendly usable computer
00:59:44
yeah a piece of the house rather than a piece of tech exactly so it's the same reason why the new nest has
00:59:50
white bezels it's the same reason why the new the new nest home hub with the screen with the google assistant has white bezels
00:59:57
it's just because it's just a little more friendly looking i think that'll probably be the case for a while um i would still again i'm not in the
01:00:04
target demographic for this so i would still prefer a dark bezel but i am not getting this imac for my house
01:00:09
so it doesn't matter what i think it's not for me the chin on the other hand um have you
01:00:15
seen the ifixit tear down oh i have it open right now okay it's really funny uh it's great so the chin
01:00:20
so the imac is sort of a sort of a legend for that chin it's had that design
01:00:26
of a screen at the top and a bit of a chin at the bottom since i guess since the original imac
01:00:32
honestly where it had the speakers underneath um every single one has had some sort of a chin
01:00:37
including this new one and if you look at the ifixit teardown um most of the computer is in that chin
01:00:45
and then most of behind the display is kind of empty actually which
01:00:52
leads me to believe well they intentionally kept the chin they wanted the chin there they could have definitely definitely
01:00:59
made it thicker and not had a chin and they made a choice to make it super thin and keep the chin i'm
01:01:07
trying to find a way to argue with that but it's really hard because like literally
01:01:12
the arguments tear down is like it just looks like a bunch of ram sticks glued on into onto the
01:01:18
screen it's extremely well integrated yeah the whole thing is at the bottom it's like the uh the m1 is there all
01:01:23
there's no upgradeable you're not popping ram in and out or anything like that speakers are all down there almost everything's in the bottom
01:01:29
uh the question is should they have and in my video i say i suggest like people buying this who already have
01:01:35
a thicker computer would have been totally fine with a 20 millimeter thick computer
01:01:41
with no chin and that would have looked way better and way less like a piece of tech than this new
01:01:47
like uh extra chin on the bottom of the white bezel that now sticks out a little bit
01:01:52
you still have the the pastel color of the stand it sits on and that's nice friendly color and that's cool and everything yeah but i
01:01:58
just i wonder if that is it if it's that pop of color like to add in there to be a little more friendly because you could
01:02:04
almost argue looking at this the tear down like if you look at the wiring that's going up to the
01:02:09
the webcam and a couple other components you could argue that it being in the chin means more wires or longer wires to get
01:02:16
to the places which the different things they're trying to get to so it it doesn't make much sense i would
01:02:23
prefer no chin as well but yeah my guess is looking for that that colorful friendly
01:02:29
i'm almost calling it like a piece of furniture decoration at this point that that's functional and but you're
01:02:35
right there is still the stand yeah yeah i don't know i don't know it's
01:02:42
it's wild though to see how little is in this like this looks like this looks like a like
01:02:48
chromebook or something it's literally just about the same computer as the m1 mac mini
01:02:53
which obviously is much smaller and has more ports actually um but they just take those insides and
01:03:00
put it in a much larger display and then it's attached to it and it's it's a really nice display and if you watch the review
01:03:06
by the way i want to give it as much credit as i can like the amount of display and computer you get for the
01:03:12
money in that imac is great the most underrated thing about when people complain about how expensive
01:03:17
imacs are is how good of a screen you're getting and no one ever takes that into consideration when comparing it to
01:03:23
building a pc yeah so that's a it's a really important like well integrated thing it's also so thin
01:03:30
that the headphone jack couldn't be on the back so they put it on the side uh but it's got two or four ports on the
01:03:36
back depending on which version you get if you get the base model two ports no ethernet no ethernet just
01:03:43
two thunderbolt ports if you upgrade to the 1499 one i believe that's when you're getting two more so you get four ports
01:03:49
on the back and ethernet on the power brick still think ethernet on the power brick is genius and just a really really
01:03:56
good idea it's a good idea i think it's easy to to get mad at it but i think it's a good idea
01:04:01
because no one ever unplugs ethernet once why would you get mad at it i just don't i think people think it's an
01:04:07
excuse of like oh apple didn't add it to the back where everything else could have gone i've seen weird arguments for it
01:04:12
i don't believe those arguments it's a great i think it's a good idea apple's helping me with my cable management
01:04:18
oh those jerks yeah i don't know unless there's a data transfer
01:04:23
restriction that it's bottlenecking because of the new nope the power cord it's not right it's nope yeah full-on
01:04:30
so good good on that it's just funny that this is the first apple desktop in many many years with external power
01:04:37
brick because they've all had power built in it's just too thin i don't mind that the more i think about it though yeah it's fine
01:04:42
as long as you can find a good place to put it it's a if you're one of those psychos that has
01:04:47
a desk in the middle of your room that's not up against a wall maybe it looks a little weird um
01:04:53
but other than that totally fine it works for me but uh if i were to get one for my own
01:04:58
home i probably would go with blue or silver probably blue or silver
01:05:04
uh also shout out to super staff who did a really great photoshop job of a matte black version looks really good it
01:05:11
was a great photoshop job we were all staring at it in the studio like debating if it was a brand skin or did you just make this look really
01:05:17
good he did photoshop that did you confirm with him yeah well she did a breakdown oh he did her breakdown
01:05:23
all right i think the way we found out is the little tiny reflection on the table you could tell was silver
01:05:28
yeah um my question is now okay we've got all the m1 stuff out the way great m1 max and one baseline stuff and
01:05:36
one ipad m1 imac is the upgraded pro version of an apple silicon
01:05:43
imac pro going to get rid of the chin and we'll have black bezels i don't
01:05:49
think so yes no no and yes is my answer no to the chin yes the black bezel still has chin yes
01:05:57
has black bezels interesting i i think so much of the pro stuff in apple's lineup
01:06:02
is boxy and square when you look at pro display xdr when you look at ipad pro i think if
01:06:09
apple is considering matching that pro aesthetic with the new imac pro they should get rid of the chin on the
01:06:16
imac pro and make a pro display xdr shaped box but i
01:06:21
i guess i could see them keeping the chin i guess i would just argue as like the chin doesn't make it any less boxy
01:06:27
it's still extremely boxy and the aspect ratio is a bit is different obviously like
01:06:33
well the screen aspect ratio is the same the footprint aspect ratio is different but it's still boxing i just think
01:06:40
space gray seems to be who is i think it was david saying how like it seems to be their
01:06:45
lower range things generally are more colorful if you look at like iphone x 10r and even some other imacs
01:06:52
and stuff like that and then space gray is the pro version so i could definitely see
01:06:57
space gray black bezels pro industrial like professional looking that's what
01:07:03
apple if you're like that'd be my guess if you're listening the pros don't care about how thin it is i promise
01:07:08
none of us can that's a good point the thinness as well but yeah i bet they keep the chin just because it's uh
01:07:14
the continuity between the two so when they're po when they're putting them in like a
01:07:20
store somebody's not looking like oh this is so vastly different i'm probably losing so much power versus pro and
01:07:27
that's interesting or something like that yeah is the imac pro sitting in stores next to the imac
01:07:33
i don't know as an i'm just kind of guessing i would kind of assume so i wonder i i don't think a lot of people
01:07:38
are buying imac pros that don't need them it's discontinued already which leads me to believe most people weren't buying it
01:07:43
but i i feel like if you can make a good visual argument for why this imac is
01:07:49
different other than just being black then it gives people a reason to feel like they're getting more
01:07:54
and so my argument goes the opposite way against that as well yeah yeah i just i think obviously i
01:08:00
would want them to do it a certain way i'm just curious what apple's deciding motive will be do they want the
01:08:06
continuity or do they want the upsell look if the pro was a
01:08:12
pro display xdr that just happened to have the computer in the back of that that would be sick that would be amazing awesome that would be
01:08:18
i would really like that um but we'll have to see we'll have to see but there's a lot of great rumors about just
01:08:23
like way more power way more gpu cores way more big high power cores and like
01:08:28
obviously that we'll have to see it when it happens maybe it's m2 maybe it's m1x
01:08:34
seems to be the favorite so far so far but uh i'm very interested in that but we also got m1 ipad pro
01:08:42
this to me is a incredible spec bump but it's still an
01:08:49
ipad and i feel like every review said this basically which is like i'm gonna be honest you were like really excited to talk about this and i was
01:08:55
like i really thought we just decided it was no we i mean so i i did the review and um you should
01:09:01
watch the review it's 15 minutes long it's it's like everything you need to know about this i'm just i would love to know what we're going to
01:09:06
get at wwdc that's going to change the ipad that's really what i am curious about now we're going
01:09:12
to see in like a month but m1 ipad pro is we're gonna see like two weeks
01:09:17
yeah it's like five times yeah and one ipad pro though currently it's ipad os 14 so we've we've
01:09:23
had the same software for a bit but it is just immensely powerful and super impressive for what
01:09:30
that ship did i i mentioned in the beginning of the video i didn't think it would be this much better than a15 bionic or whatever
01:09:38
it was already a12z um and it's way better it benchmarks
01:09:43
higher than the 16-inch macbook pro and you know at a certain point it's like
01:09:48
what are you gonna do with all that extra power you're still using ipad os you're still limited by the ports and the file management
01:09:55
situation and the multi-window ability kinda and i i
01:10:00
i can't wait for a little bit extra power one comment i've seen a lot is why do
01:10:06
you guys keep asking for like mac os on the ipad like just get a mac
01:10:12
that's not what i want i don't want mac os on the ipad i just want better ipad os it's a difference i want i like the
01:10:19
icons i like the widgets let us put widgets all over the screen give us free multi window with touch
01:10:24
support not asking for that on the mac i don't want a mac that does that i'm personally not in that camp um
01:10:30
and then just the ability to do a little bit more multitasking and obviously the pencil is incredible already and that chip dominates ipad os it's
01:10:37
great so that's all i'm saying is the the the m1 ipad pro with the new with that chip and the
01:10:44
performance you get out of it is way more powerful than anything you are able to take advantage of there's no
01:10:50
apps yet out there that are you know every visually intensive game that i tried was already fine and it's still fine on the
01:10:56
new one honestly the biggest difference you'll notice is the new xdr display which is only on the larger 12.9 inch
01:11:04
ipad pro i am personally a smaller 11-inch ipad pro user
01:11:10
and so i will continue to use my 2018 11 inch ipad i think a lot of people have that yeah
01:11:15
because it's just as good it's still 120 hours display and it's not getting the xdr update which looks phenomenal with hdr content
01:11:22
but it's not on the small one so don't need it yet it doesn't matter yeah so you're just saying the ipad
01:11:27
this new ipad basically is just like way way too powerful for for what it is that you can't like fully
01:11:34
grasp or benefit from it yeah it's like that if you were uh if you were in charge of like there's
01:11:39
maybe three different things you can improve about the ipad you can way improve the specs you can
01:11:44
way improve the software or you can weigh improve like the design they've improved the specs and performance
01:11:50
so much that it's ahead of the other pieces of the ipad yeah and you you don't really get to
01:11:56
enjoy all the benefits of the m1 because nothing gets there yet so if you
01:12:01
get a new ipad from last year you're going to get the same experience you're saying it's like it's so powerful and something you put almost like
01:12:08
if you had a pickup truck that could go zero to 60 in like 4.5 seconds something like that it'd be like if you
01:12:15
had a car that could go 0-60 but you needed a pickup truck
01:12:21
oh i was trying to segway finish the segway i like the segway go
01:12:27
for it finish that one because that was i don't want to anymore are there any pickup trucks that do 060 and 4.5
01:12:33
are you just hypothetically making one up i'm so sad are you leaving this part in
01:12:40
or no there is there is a pickup truck that goes here to 60 and 4.5 and we're trying to get our hands on it
01:12:46
it's made by ford i don't know if you guys heard about this one f-150 lightning
01:12:51
it's official yeah yeah we finally got i mean we talked about it before we just got some specs let's go over
01:12:57
specs really quick because i i still i think this is i think we've both talked about this i think this is
01:13:03
you've said this is going to be the most important evie of this year i think this is the most important evie since model 3 is i would agree with that right
01:13:11
like the model y was great crossover very popular but model 3 was like the first ev that really brought it to like
01:13:18
a more general consumer so i consider that extremely important this bringing it we're now getting
01:13:24
something that's going to bring this to a whole new group of consumers yeah and i think that that's why this is
01:13:29
insanely insanely important um yeah i just i just want to add one more thing to what you said is like
01:13:35
evs for years and years were different in a way where like you had
01:13:41
nissan leaf and you had like sports cars like the the roadster and
01:13:46
so anytime anyone made or considered an electric car it was such a vast departure from what people were used to
01:13:53
that they almost just didn't even worry about it now evs are a better version of the car you
01:14:00
already were thinking about getting yeah and that's where they need to be that's why this is important for this
01:14:06
pickup truck especially exactly so the specs on the f-150 lightning so starting price actually i'll just start
01:14:12
with that 39.9 really good that is nuts i i saw a lot of comparisons
01:14:18
to that price to base ford one or f-150s and it's a completely unfair
01:14:24
comparison because the base f-150 is a two-door and the base lightning is the supercrew
01:14:31
which is what ford calls their four-door right so if you look at the cheapest supercrew
01:14:36
f-150 it starts at 36. so we're talking about a 3k price difference between and that is
01:14:42
these and that is before the tax credit that you are still qualified for even if you throw that out the door like
01:14:49
i mean we haven't really seen any one-to-one comparisons of evs to a specific gas car but like that is
01:14:56
very very close yeah like i think almost anybody while buying a car would probably be okay with the 3k price difference now that's going to be
01:15:03
the base model which gets 230 miles of range and there's also going to be an upgraded model that gets 300 miles of
01:15:08
range and i think that's about 50. um and if we're just gonna compare that
01:15:13
spec right off the bat we've got cyber truck coming in anywhere from 35 to 70k
01:15:18
yeah there there isn't a higher i think there's one version you can get that goes all the way to like 90k so i think just like the f-150 there's
01:15:25
gonna be multiple trim levels of this there's a there's a hummer truck that's gonna be over 100k there's a rivien
01:15:31
r1t that's going to be like 60 70 80k so this is a great starting price for
01:15:37
f-150 lightning so now here's the other specs and we're going down the spec sheet not just to read a spec sheet but because specs
01:15:43
are important to truck buyers that's a specific important thing towing capacity
01:15:49
hauling capacity the things it's capable of specs actually really matter here so i'm not even going to talk about
01:15:54
design it looks like a normal f-150 but 0-60 in 4.5 seconds honestly who cares
01:16:00
but but there is uh there's something about having one gear
01:16:07
where you don't have 10 different speeds in an electric and a gas motor to go
01:16:12
through so if i just explain this i watched a really good video on this i'm going to try to condense it but i'm also linking the show notes so you guys can
01:16:18
watch the whole thing but basically what's happening is when you're hauling a bunch of stuff you need as much torque as you possibly can
01:16:25
get so that you're effectively pulling it and gas engines have their peak torque
01:16:31
at certain rpms so let's say that's 4000 rpm just as an example that means
01:16:37
if you're way below 4000 rpm or way above 4000 rpm you're not quite getting peak effectiveness
01:16:43
out of that motor exactly your torque band is pretty narrow so when you shift gears you are trying
01:16:49
to stay in that ideal torque band so the way they got around this was like the f-150 now
01:16:55
is a 10-speed yeah so every time you shift gears you're trying to stay in that ideal torque
01:17:02
band for maximum efficiency as you shift gears over and over and over again big trucks have like 21 gears this is so
01:17:07
they can keep in their ideal torque band electric motors have a massive instantaneously available
01:17:15
torque band which is from zero so that right away even though like the
01:17:20
zero to 60 doesn't really matter for a pickup truck the number you should care about is torque which is i think i might have
01:17:26
written it down but it's something like 735 feet of torque and it's available at
01:17:32
that peak torque number all the time as you're driving it instead of only in that small bit
01:17:38
of your individual gears that's the spec that matters for hauling that's good for
01:17:43
efficiency that's just good for driving while hauling so that's number one 775 pound-feet of
01:17:49
torque there you go just wanted to confirm that cool um and then the other one is you can max out at
01:17:54
10 000 pounds of towing capacity which i think is higher than the other
01:18:00
maximum there's a couple different the standard ray version 5000
01:18:05
or 7700 and then the max is 10 000. i don't know what regular is but i highly doubt it is more
01:18:12
than that yeah so 10 000 pounds of towing capacity is also awesome then there's just a couple other cool
01:18:18
things that they're doing with the fact that it's electric so again you just have that it's already a better truck now because
01:18:24
there is no engine in the front there is a massive i think it's the biggest front trunk i've ever seen in
01:18:31
any ev uh you can fit two golf bags in the front trunk of an f-150 all right you
01:18:36
were watching that video and you're like he has a whole golf bag in there and then later in the video he pulls it out and there's still another one in there
01:18:42
so yeah it's like that's amazing so it's a huge front trunk that's great for pickup truck uh people because as they rightly point
01:18:50
out typically pickup trucks don't have covered storage unless you have a cover for your bed so if you want a covered locked trunk in
01:18:56
your pickup truck instead of throwing it in the back seat you now have a real trunk yeah it's in the front um you also still have the bed
01:19:02
they have a bunch of outlets i think it's six outlets in the front you've got a 240 volt for like an air compressor
01:19:08
you can charge things power huge power tools from the front or the back all this is awesome and then the cherry
01:19:14
on top is you can get a power inverter for your house it's optional yeah um that will allow your truck's
01:19:21
battery to be your house backup battery in case of power outage for up to like
01:19:27
a couple days maybe a week i think the guy in that video said that in order for his tesla powerwall to
01:19:33
equal what the truck would have done he would have had two of them right the max output of a single power wall isn't as much as
01:19:39
the f-150 is able to output wild so which is also just great not for that but like you said uh you're on a
01:19:46
construction site and you're working on a house that doesn't have electricity like without having to run a gas generator in
01:19:53
the back of the truck around the ground that's this truck is yeah yeah you now have a massive portable electric generator in
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the form of your truck yeah the one thing i'm curious about is ford hasn't given a number to anyone that i've seen yet for the
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size of the battery kilowatt hour size um just for context like model three or model model s right now
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has a hundred kilowatt hour battery that's about like industry standard type i think maki is at like 80 kilowatt
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hours porsche tycan's at like 93 kilowatt hours we're somewhere around 100. a truck like
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that with enough space i would actually expect to be more maybe 100 to 150 but we don't have a number no and i'm
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very curious about a lot of the little variables about when you're hauling with that much battery how much does
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your range suffer they've already got an onboard scale in the back of the truck so it'll adjust how much your projected ranges
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and tell you where to charge based on how much range you'll get with what you're hauling but like is that minus 50 miles is it
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minus 100 i don't really know i haven't hauled stuff to 10 000 pounds of stuff in my car so i don't know um
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what will charging be like there's a ford pass app that will show you you know the electrify america charges
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and all the charges you're capable of charging at but what does that look like when you pull up to a charger with a trailer i don't
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that actually is something so like i think the main thing this will not benefit is people who are like hauling
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long distances like this would make no sense to get and i think one of those main reasons is the majority of chargers on the road you
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would have to although i do think the charging port's on the front of this it is it's the front logo by the front door
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right yes so i guess you could pull forward but like i'm just thinking of some of the charges around us you would be blocking parking lot if you
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had your trailer still connected so like not only does charging take longer than gassing up you're now disconnecting your
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trailer potentially and then yeah that doesn't sound ideal but i do think the majority of people
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and i mean we live in new jersey the densest populated state in all of america so
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maybe i'm just completely naive here but like i do think if you have the 300 mile range
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uh version if you're doing construction generally in a day i don't think you're driving more than 300 miles
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whether now you're pulling power from tools or you're pulling power uh losing
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range from towing maybe that would start getting it but i still think huge benefit is every morning you're starting with
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the quote-unquote full tank whereas when i used to do landscaping and we were towing stuff we filled every
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day and we were definitely not driving 300 miles it's just super inefficient and you're just
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filling all the time yeah it's one of those stats where i think weirdly it could actually benefit from
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uh ford not being efficient in the drivetrain meaning if this is a hundred kilowatt
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hour battery for example and you're like powering a bunch of tools and plugging a bunch of things in
01:22:50
and then trying to get home on less range while towing stuff that might be a concern where if this is
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150 kilowatt hour battery then all those tools and things you're
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plugging in might not hit your range as significantly as far as a percentage just just something to keep in mind i
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don't know this is where i was just thinking like if you're comparing it to the others the cyber truck is still the one where i'm
01:23:12
like all right if you're really after the specs and the numbers the the cyber truck with 520 miles of
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range and i think even more towing capacity is probably still on the radar um but other than that f150 lightning is
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i'm i'm excited for it and i think by the time you guys see this podcast there may already be a video on the
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channel of a hands-on with it because we're trying to trying to work that out so that's that's planned and that is uh i think a pretty
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important ev to keep an eye on yeah keeping an eye on it for both the consumer buyer who buys trucks but also
01:23:44
the reason the f-150 is the most popular vehicle in america is there's also lots of fleets of
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business businesses who will be looking at buying this saving money on cost per mile and uh
01:23:55
just glad to see that actually worked out they have they got the specs i think yeah i do sick
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all right well that was a whole lot of waveform i think you've probably either skipped around or heard enough
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but thanks for sticking with us and we'll be back next week with of course much more to talk about
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