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But I I am a prime hater. So >> this is this is a great lens. >> Dang.
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>> Yeah. Sorry. >> We won't have that fight again. >> We've had that fight too many times.
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>> One focal length. Are you serious? >> One. What is up people of internet? Welcome
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back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez.
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>> I'm Andrew. >> And I'm David. >> And yeah, don't adjust your calendars.
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This is in fact not Friday because this is a bonus episode. We figured we had some things that we wanted to try. Fair
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warning, this is probably best consumed as video. So, if you're an audio only
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listener, I would recommend video for this particular bonus episode because >> yeah, we're we're we're playing with
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some cameras today and the images that we've taken from the cameras. And the
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way we want to frame it is we've got a couple of >> frame it. It was unintentional pun. Museum quality
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glass. I'm going to probably make more of those puns. But uh we have some of
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the most hyped cameras on planet Earth in this room and we have been using them. Dave has been using tons of
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different cameras. That's right. >> Um but did you do the reverb thing in
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other people's headphones? Just heard a tiny bit of reverb. >> Yeah, there it is. The reverb is funny.
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Um, but we've been taking pictures with all these cameras, and we figured it was
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worth talking about the cameras through the lens of the photos we were able to get with them.
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>> I'm really good at these buns. >> I don't know if you've noticed.
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>> It's good. >> Um, but uh, David, you're our sort of residential
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>> resident resident camera expert. >> Actually, I uh I have an apartment.
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>> Our resident our resident residential >> Yeah. >> Uh, camera expert.
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>> That's right. And so we figured we would show you the photos that we've taken on
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these cameras and you can tell us what you think of the images while we talk about what it's like to use the camera
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to get these photos. If that makes sense. Okay. >> Does that make sense? >> Yeah, I think that makes sense.
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>> This is basically us just like yearning for David's approval. So I think this
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whole episode will go fine. >> Yeah, I like that. >> Yeah. You should do compliment
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sandwiches so that we don't feel too bad about how bad our pictures are. >> Yeah. The color's great. The image is
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but >> you're, you know, >> composition >> horrible, >> but you tried your best.
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>> But you tried your best, buddy. No, I >> This one's going right on the fridge.
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>> I want to start this episode with photography is subjective. >> So, if I like something or don't like
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something, it doesn't mean that it's not a special picture. >> You are picking a winner at the end
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>> in that case. >> No, I would I would like you to do a camera superlative or a superlative for
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each camera by the end of it. So >> kind of like your uh this is best camera
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for someone might doing this >> who might be doing something like this. >> Okay, cool.
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>> Yeah, can do. >> So like if you were writing like a SEO driven buying guide for a camera website
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>> best camera 2025 travel X100V photography road trip film emulation film cheap Kodak Kodak under $100 like a
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like a like a like Switch. Switch two. Nintendo Switch 2. >> Yeah, >> that would be those. Yeah.
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>> So, we've each taken a handful of our selects. I think three photos each from
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our camera of choice and uh we've all put them on David's computer. You haven't looked at them yet, right? No.
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Okay, perfect. >> Who do you want to look at the photos from first? >> Should I know whose pictures they are?
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>> Oh, >> I would like Oh, well, they're all labeled by name. So, you kind
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>> I mean, if you want, you can take them all and put them in a separate folder.
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Are the actual images labeled by name? Well, so >> yes. Oh, >> I would like and I would like you to
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know because I think in the process of talking about the photos, that's a prime
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>> that's a prime time for the person who took it. >> There's only one Zoom, I think. Or maybe
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Alice is No. >> Um, just me. >> They can talk about why they like the
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camera and things they like the camera. Maybe that's why they're taking photos
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like they did. >> Okay. Well, to start, why don't you all pick a number between 1 and 10 and
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closest delta? We'll start. >> Okay. One and 10. >> Who goes first?
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>> 100. >> Let's pick a number between 1 and 10 to see who goes first.
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>> One and 100. >> I'm going with 99. Okay. >> Gretzky. >> Wait, I didn't I didn't come up with the
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number yet. >> You need to do that. >> Whoever's closest to David's number. So,
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you think of a number. >> I came up with one now. >> Okay. Now, >> it's 99.
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>> I'm just kidding. All right. One. >> Oh my gosh. >> Okay.
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>> 99. >> Okay. 82. >> Nice. 42. >> All right. It was 77. So Marquez is
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closest. >> Wow. Okay. I'm going first. >> Very good. Okay. >> All right. Open that Marquez folder on
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your desktop there. And you should have three images. I want you to start with Marquez one.
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>> Okay. Marquez one opening. >> So I'll do our best for our audio
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listeners, but really this is going to be a a very descriptive uh podcast. You see image one?
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>> This took a really long time to open. >> I will start with why. >> It's a 100 megapixels.
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>> Why? What came? So, oh yeah, that's a good place to start. So, I my three
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images I feel like a top chef explaining uh my ingredient of choice was >> what have you prepared for us today?
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>> I have prepared images from a Hasselblad X2D Mark II uh using the 35 to100 prime
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zoom obviously. >> Yeah. Uh, this is a brand. >> Can I interrupt you because I feel like
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there's a funny story before you launch into this, which is this camera came out
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and you turned around from your desk and faced the office and said, >> "Everyone tell me why I shouldn't buy
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this." And we all gave you tons of reasons and then you went, "You're
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right." And then you turned around and you bought it. >> Yeah. >> This is not the one I bought.
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>> True. >> I bought one from B&H who has pushed my delivery date back by weeks and weeks
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and weeks at a time. It's currently mid December. This is a review unit from
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Hustelblad that I've been shooting with in the meantime. However, I did buy this
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exact camera and this exact lens. >> They got like 3 weeks until DJI is banned. So,
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>> yeah, I am crossing my fingers that I actually get the one that I bought cuz I
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think they have my money. Um, no. So, this is the this is a new camera and a new lens that they made. Um, I've shot
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with House of Blood stuff before. This one has You might have heard about this camera. You've probably shot with it
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already. Has better autofocus. has a built-in HDR, which you will notice in my images.
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>> Uh, so I'd like you to open image number one, and I'll I'll talk through why I
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think each one of them is my select. >> I'm going to turn the brightness all the
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way up, so we really get that HDR. >> Perfect. >> Can you see image number one, too?
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>> So, this image number one here is the first uh hour of me owning this camera,
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of me having this camera, >> and I shot this photo of Adam. >> This is the photo you said was the best
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cam photo you've ever taken. Is that what you said? >> Yeah. Why are you so
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>> Okay. It's subjective. >> Relax. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, number one
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is uh like I said, it is a 100 megapixel medium format camera. This is uh fresh out the box aperture priority. I haven't
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even really dialed any settings yet, but it it nailed the eye for autofocus on Adam's face.
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>> And Adam is completely backlit in this picture. So, sun is streaming in in the
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background as you can see in the parking lot and in the windows, but in the shadow detail, which I have pulled up a
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little bit, you can see Adam's face, the black hat he's wearing, and shadow
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detail like crazy. And feel free to zoom in super far. >> The zoom like >> Yeah,
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>> the sharpness of this photo and quality is >> Adam's um table tennis racket is so
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messed up that it looks like there is like shutter drag near the top of it. Yeah, it's a
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>> but it's just that this is picking up fibers that are falling off of it.
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>> Marquez, this photo is 11,000 pixels wide. >> This is a JPEG that is 16 megabytes.
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>> I have given you all of the pixels. It is huge. But this is part of my obsession with imagery. I've been
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shooting 8K video for years. I love cropability and malleability. And uh I had to learn relearn uh Hasselblad's
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focus software to really take >> Oh, right. So, you edited this >> a little bit. Yeah. Just to get my
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exposure right and of course to dial a little bit of HDR in. So, you can see little highlights in the trucks in the
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background. And >> yeah, >> it is interesting to see a camera that can shoot HDR that is not a phone
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>> because we're so used to photos. Yeah, it looks a lot better and you can see
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more of the benefits of like what HDR is good for on a real camera. Um, I think seeing all the shadow detail
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like because he's so back lit is beneficial. I'm I'm assuming you bump
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the shadows a little bit so you can see >> see more in there. >> Yeah. Lot of dynamic range the
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gradiation through like you can see the blue in the sky. It's incredible how
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much is actually in the exposure. >> That's true. >> In a totally back lit shot like this,
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>> right? >> Yeah. So, that's that's photo number one. Okay.
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>> I feel like uh you didn't seem to love it. >> Well, that's my phone. That's just
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because I'm in it. But it's a it's it was one of the first again this is in
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the first hour of testing this thing. >> Is is your reason why this is your
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favorite because I I took a little peek by accident at one of your other pictures and I just the thumbnail I like
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liked it more. >> Is the reason that you liked this photo so much more the technical aspects of
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like oh my god everything is in the tone curve. The reason I like this photo is because so one, I've shot with
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Hustelblad a lot in the past and you have to be very intentional about nailing your settings on each exposure
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and and like being super super slow with every shot. >> And this one, I pulled it out the box,
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put the lens on, and just started shooting to the built-in internal storage. And this was an effortless
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capture that I think is impossible on 99% of cameras. So, I was just like this sort of power in a zero skill photo was
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impressive to me. >> That's that's why I like it. >> All right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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>> Uh yeah. Okay. Let's go to photo number two. >> All right. >> Photo number two is vertical.
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>> It is uh 11,000 pixels tall this time. Uh and this is me shooting Andrew
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shooting a photo. I don't know if the photo Andrew shot while in this photo >> is going to end up on the screen, but
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>> you can really see the HDR on this one. >> Yeah. Okay. So, the photo now is uh
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pretty symmetrical shot of down these train tracks. Andrew is crouched in the middle of the train tracks taking a low
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photo. He's mostly in focus. It's got the leaves falling in the background
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from the trees, the train, tons of garbage cuz it's carne. And nothing is lost to dynamic range. Again, you see
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the HDR, you see the pumped sky and the highlights of the rails. Uh but there is
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a ton of dynamic range as well. >> And uh this was not cropped at all. I nailed the the frame in camera. Um,
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yeah. >> Wait, I have a question about this one. >> Yeah. >> Does well the camera in general. Does
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the camera give you two files like one? >> Yes. Okay. >> It gives me a RAW and it gives me an
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HIF. >> And I took the H I took the RAW each time. The HIF looks good and it's sharp,
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but color-wise and dynamic range wise and obviously malleability wise, I was playing a little bit more with uh
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exposure. So the HIF has the tone map for the HDR built in. >> Yeah. >> Does the RAW only apply a tone map once
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you bring it into the focus software. >> Does the RAW only apply? >> Because it because a RAW is not a
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container. So it can't store the tone map data. It allows me to change a lot.
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It's specifically and if I'm reading the UI right, it allows me to change when
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the data is lost to HDR like pure highlight and also when exposure is gone separately.
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>> So it's like if I move the the whole exposure up, I can see the top of the
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exposure like a little bracket of like when it's going to pop in like HDR or
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whatever and I can also see the end of like when it's going to be pure white.
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>> Oh, >> and they're separate. David, can you explain for I mean our listeners
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definitely all know what this is, but I do not. What is a tone map? >> Okay. Yeah. So, a tone map is basically
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so in an image you have multiple you have like a luminance like value and you've also got like color saturation
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values. A tone map for HDR is basically looking at the bright and dark areas and
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saying like these areas need to have more tonal range here. So in order to have HDR you like in the container the
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HIF container or the HAC container you have the regular JPEG or HIF or whatever or HIF or whatever it is and then you
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apply the tone map on top. And so I'm assuming the focus software can also create a tone map for RAW while the
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camera itself is creating an HDR tone map just for the HIC file. >> Got it. So it's almost like an extension
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to the lookup table that's like built into it. Got it. >> Right. It's like an HDR tone map is
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built in. It only does this for certain shooting modes. I'm trying to remember
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which ones. I think full manual it won't do HDR. >> Oh. But everything else will
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interesting. >> Either way, yeah, it worked out, I think, beautifully for this image. You
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can see the the sun glowing off of the trash bag next to Andrew. >> Beautiful. Beautiful.
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>> It does, to be fair, it also does glow down the entire train tracks, which is
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>> Yeah, I was going to say this this photo really accentuates the HDR in that the
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train tracks are glowing, but there is still detail in them, >> which kind of shows off the benefits of
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HDR there. It's like it's super bright, but you still have that detail, whereas
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normally that would just be lost. >> Yeah. >> Um I really I think the Hassablad
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natural color profile that they built for this camera is also shining here >> because if you zoom into the areas like
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near his feet where like the grass and the the wood is and the dirt, >> it's very very nice looking dirt. Like
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it's uh >> it's just that very natural natural color that isn't like too saturated or
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too washed out. Yeah, >> it's kind of a good a good middle ground. >> The white balance was uh also sort of
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warmed a little bit in post and I think just cuz it was golden hour and it just looks really good when it's warm like
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this. >> Yeah. And the trees look great. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. All the garbage everywhere.
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So detailed >> unfortunately. Yeah. >> When he took this picture I was like,
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"Does it look like I'm taking a picture?" He's like, "Yeah, you can
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totally tell. >> I don't think you can tell at all. I just look like I'm like squatting
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crouched on the train tracks. It's like the dog I walked past this morning."
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Um, >> but yeah, very this one. So, I shot a couple versions of this while you were
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squatted there. I shot like one at like f22 and then one at f10 and then this one's at like f9 I think is my wide open
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one or not wide open. It's my most open one. >> Oh, really? >> I think it looks best.
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>> Did you shoot a shallower one? >> No, this is the shallowest one. Sorry. I
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shot like a s like an f22 one that looks a little more distracting in how much is
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in focus. >> So, I like this one. >> Cool. >> My picture from that came out terrible.
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>> Oh, well. But I also had a 20% bloom filter on like with golden hour blaring.
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>> That's the best one. >> Oh, I hate bloom filters. >> Make everything look like you smeared a
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little Vaseline on it. >> Yeah, for real. >> All right, we're moving on to the last
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Marquez photo. >> Last but not least, this one >> I took in a very exotic location. I'll
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let you guess. >> Carne, New Jersey. >> Yes. About 40t to the left of the last
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photo. >> GPS overlay puts me in the same place. Uh, no, this was also Golden Hour
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shooting. uh almost all the way closed, but I just feel like the light coming through the plants here, everything
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being in focus and the sky doing this really nice thing with the clouds in the background. I shot this and thought,
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"This is one of my nicest wallpapers. >> This is going to be a wallpaper."
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>> No. Yeah, for sure. I like this more than that first photo of Adam. Yeah.
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>> Um >> Thanks. This is literally picture of grass. >> And you like it more than me?
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>> Most of my photography is pictures of grass. So, um, yeah. No, I I think, uh,
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the color is the natural color really shines here as well. The fact that you can see all the detail in the clouds is
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really nice. It really gives it that sort of like fine art photography look. >> Yeah.
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>> I I think what might have been interesting is going to the other side of the cattails and shooting against the
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light since the HDR really like, you know, allows for that. >> Yeah. >> Have a couple of those. It was getting
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some lens flare, too. Kind of crazy. >> Okay. And I think the gold of these
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cattails could kind of come out a little bit more. >> If you want to really be wowed by the
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resolution, zoom all the way in to the rightmost branch and you can count the individual berries on it.
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>> How many megapixels is this camera? >> Each one is a 100 megapixel shot.
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>> Oh god. You can see the like little um white markings on the bark of the like
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tree. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. The the detail that this keeps is >> just wild.
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>> It is crazy. It is. Is that why you prefer this camera, Marquez? Just the
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detail. >> This is why I keep saying this is the greatest camera ever made because it
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lets me capture as much as I possibly can to then have the most flexibility in post. So, as long as I nail focus and
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and roughly get the exposure and the framing that I want, >> the rest is is possible.
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>> Yeah, it's a shame that it's digital. I can't tell that if these like like white
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spots on the back of the cattails are haloing from sort of some from some sort of artifacting or if it's just light.
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>> It's part of the plant. I think they have this sort of a cottony like seed
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that comes off and the light's going through them so you can see cuz the it's
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coming from behind right now. >> The sun. >> The sun. Yeah. >> Yeah. Literally takes like a couple
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seconds for the my computer render parts of the image when I move around. You can
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be like zoomed in and be like, "That's a nice picture." And then you just keep
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zooming out and you realize it's like 116th of the frame. >> Very nice, Marquez. Very nice.
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>> My three photos of a little HDR to brighten your day. >> I'd say if I were to rank these
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>> Oh, sure. >> photo three at my favorite. >> Cool. >> Photo two at my second favorite.
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>> Cool. >> Podium. >> You can say it. >> Let's go. >> Top three. Top three.
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>> And yeah, number one is number three for me. It's not because it's Adam.
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>> No. Yeah, I'm sure. Yeah, >> I love Adam. It's just cuz I never get
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to see outside of work. >> Can we do a >> Yeah. >> something you would like to see Marquez
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do with this camera that could potentially >> Oh, like something the camera would be
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good for. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like some whether it be a subject, whether it be a setting
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change on something. Um, what would you like to see out of camera? landscape photography with more like possible
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layers and subjects because the landscape photography that you did here is sort of like there's only like two
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major things, you know, with the cattails. Um, the benefit of a camera like this, both because it's so high
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megapixel and because it's got so much tonal range, is that you can create all
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of these different layers and you can zoom into different areas and really like capture the breadth of the scene
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and uh things that are already sort of tight and zoomed in, you don't get as
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much value out of that resolution as much and also the tonal range. >> Marquez just
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>> is taking photos. Is this distracting? >> A landscape of my the landscape of my
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face. >> I feel like this is I hate to bring it to like short form, but this is a like
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uh short form trend right now where it's like you see this beautiful photo and
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then I pull out and it crops. Okay. >> Sorry. >> He's just my brain version knowing what
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you're talking about. >> What I take >> and it's so annoying.
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>> All right, Marquez, is there anything else you would like you have plans on
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doing with this camera? Yeah, >> I just want to get out more with it. I do want to do more product photography
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with it. I think uh that's my favorite type of photography mostly because it's
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super controllable and you can kind of be as creative as you want and nail a single shot. So, I'm going to do
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definitely do more of that, but also just kind of take more photos in general. >> Keep it in your back pocket.
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>> Remember when you first saw this, you were like, I will not take more than 700
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photos with this camera. >> Did I say that 700? >> Something like that.
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>> I've taken that many this week. >> I was going to say, do you plan on has
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your mind changed on that? You want to bring this with you and shoot more often?
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>> Yes, I want I've been trying to shoot more with a real camera than not more
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than my phone, but more with the real camera less with my phone in like shots that I want to be good.
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>> And the lens is a 35 to 100 2.8, right? It's 28 wide and I think it's four all
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the way in. >> All the way in. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's uh expensive.
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>> The the body is 7,000 or so. Um, it is cheaper than the last generation,
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surprisingly, even with the tariffs. >> Uh, the lens is a lot, but also a lot of
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money, >> but I I'm a prime hater, so this is this is a great lens. >> Dang.
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>> Yeah. Sorry. >> We won't have that fight again. >> We've had that fight too many times.
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>> One focal length. Are you serious? >> One. >> Zoom with your feet, baby.
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>> Not even two. >> Zoom with your feet, bro. Crazy. Yeah. All right. So, Ellis,
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>> David, >> tell us about your camera. >> David, I'm glad I'm sitting next to
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Marquez for this because um how many megapixels did you say yours was? >> Uh, is it 102?
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>> It's a 18 102. >> 102. >> This camera has 18 megapixels.
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>> 18. Okay. >> 18 megapixels. Does your camera have inbody stabilization? Yeah, I think it's
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some like seven stops. >> Yeah, mine doesn't have any. >> None. >> Um, no. No. Uh, does your camera have a
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full-frame sensor? No, it's bigger. It's medium format. Yeah, mine doesn't.
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APS-C. Okay. >> Uh, your camera have uh autofocus. >> Yeah. >> No, mine doesn't. Continuous. That's
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crazy. I mean, I think mine does, but I don't have any lens that use the autofocus.
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>> Okay. Yeah. >> Um, >> let's go. >> What other features does your camera
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have? >> Alyssa's camera is just like a box with a hole in it. >> Pinhole, baby. Digital pin hole.
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>> Yeah, I generated images. No, I'm just kidding. My camera has a three inch
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screen. >> Okay. >> Max shutter speed of 4 thou one over 4,000. Pretty slow.
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>> Workable. >> Uh >> 4,000's fine. >> Get this. My camera has
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>> It's normal. >> Auto uh aperture priority. >> That's great.
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>> Check that out. >> That's great. >> Uh a continuous shooting mode of 4.3
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frames per second. Okay. >> If you hold that down for two seconds, the camera crashes.
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>> Sick. >> That's not a joke. >> Sick. This is the 2012 >> Yes.
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>> Canon EOSM in panda, >> by the way. >> The worst color way. It comes in.
00:22:52
>> Colt Colt camera. Because uh it's actually quite good for video. >> Yes.
00:22:57
>> Yeah. >> So, would you like to know why I bought this terrible camera
00:23:00
>> for video? >> Yes. Because there's a community of people that do this sort of
00:23:05
crowddeveloped open-source thing called Magic Lantern. where old Canon cameras. It's like an open- source firmware hack
00:23:13
that puts lots of really cool features in this camera. The most famous of which is 14bit raw video.
00:23:21
>> Yeah, >> it's very noisy raw video, >> but it's 14 bit.
00:23:25
>> Works better in 10 bit. >> You can overclock the SD card, which I
00:23:29
did not know was a thing. >> Holy smokes. >> Before this. >> And I also bought this camera
00:23:34
>> because I was really interested in getting into vintage glass. Mhm. >> And the EOSM system,
00:23:42
uh, which I believe is called ESM, has one of the shortest flange distances of any lens system.
00:23:50
>> A flange distance is the distance between the sensor and the lens mount.
00:23:53
If you have a very short flange distance, then you can adapt more lenses because while those lenses have a longer
00:24:00
distance between the end of the lens mount and the sensor, you can just put pieces of metal of various thicknesses
00:24:05
that will allow it to be perfectly spaced. >> You see, and that's exactly what I
00:24:09
thought when I got into this. And no one told me that everyone who makes lens adapters is terrible at it. And you will
00:24:17
spend so much money going through lens adapters that do not let your camera focus. Now Marquez, you
00:24:26
>> uh should I should I tell that I'll tell that story at the end because oh my
00:24:30
gosh. Um and it was Bellarus. Uh Marquez, you hate prime lenses. >> It's not that I hate primes,
00:24:38
>> it's just there's no reason. >> Right. Right. Right. So if you were to
00:24:41
pick a focal length to be stuck at >> Sure. >> What would you pick? Huh. Probably
00:24:47
somewhere in the medium telephoto w like 35ish range. >> Yes. Marquez, would you mind reading the
00:24:54
focal length of this lens? >> Why is this an 8? Is this an 8 and 12 mm? >> That's an 8 and 12 mm lens.
00:25:02
>> Let's talk about equivalency. Let's talk about equivalency everybody.
00:25:06
>> Okay. 8 and 12 mm. That's also a TV lens for an 8 mm. >> That is a mid70s
00:25:13
security camera lens. The sensor on a security camera is real small. >> Yes.
00:25:20
>> So 8 mil. Okay. Here's another thing. >> So when people talk about focal lengths,
00:25:26
>> when people talk about focal lengths, you know, they talk about like eight and
00:25:29
they talk about 23 millime, 35 millimeter, 50 mm, 100 millime, whatever. >> Uhhuh.
00:25:35
>> That that that equival there is an equivalency that is dependent on the
00:25:40
size of the sensor. So if you have a small sensor, a shorter focal length is actually a bit longer. So famously Fuji
00:25:47
makes APS-C cameras. APS-C is about half the size of a full-frame sensor size. And so because of that, you have to do
00:25:54
1.5x or not half the size, but you have to do a 1.5x multiplicative in order to get the actual equivalent focal length.
00:26:01
So if you have a 23mm Fuji lens, it's actually like a 35 millimeter full-frame
00:26:08
equivalent. Mhm. >> There's a lot of math you have to do here because this is a lot of math.
00:26:12
>> Well, this is a >> by one by 1.6. >> Okay. Wow. Yeah. The the
00:26:18
>> security camera lens on an APS-C sensor. Have you looked through the viewfinder?
00:26:23
>> There is no viewfinder. Have you checked it out? >> Yeah, there's no no viewfinder. Does
00:26:26
your camera have a viewfinder? >> Yeah, mine doesn't. >> Fire it up.
00:26:31
>> Image circle is tiny. >> The image circle is quite literally an image circle. Yes.
00:26:36
>> Um, something other people, another thing people don't know, >> when cameras project onto the sensor,
00:26:41
they actually project a circle. They don't project a square cuz sensors are square. Uh, there have been people who
00:26:46
have experimented with making circular image sensors before so that you lose less resolution.
00:26:52
>> What I'm hearing is that you guys are throwing away precious pixels.
00:26:57
>> Exactly. And >> meanwhile, I'm over here winning. >> Yeah. So, we got the It's a circle of
00:27:02
images. And so when you want to actually, you know, when you take it into the the editing program, you got to
00:27:07
crop into a square aspect ratio inside of the circle. It's it's called the um
00:27:13
calculus. That's what they do in calculus. >> I think the simplest way to describe
00:27:17
this is looking through the view or the screen of Ellis's camera right now looks
00:27:21
like the opening scene of >> Pirates of the Caribbean. Oh, >> where you're looking down the barrel.
00:27:28
>> I would describe it much more as like a pirate telescope. Um, it tells us.
00:27:33
>> Um, anyway, do you have any more questions about this camera before we look at some pictures?
00:27:37
>> Yes. How much did you pay for it? >> I paid I got it from what's it called?
00:27:41
MPB or MVP. It's the one that's not MacBook Pro. So, I guess that would be MPB. Okay.
00:27:48
>> Which is like a used camera site. Um, it came >> with two batteries, a charger, a strap.
00:27:57
It's missing a lug, so I haven't really been able to use a strap yet. Um, and I
00:28:02
think I paid about 250. >> Pretty good. >> Yeah. Um, it might have come with Yeah,
00:28:07
I think >> Yeah, notably that Magic Lantern software. All of the film students when
00:28:11
I was in college had Canon T2i or T3i or whatever >> GH4s and yeah, it's just a totally different
00:28:19
software that allows you to shoot in u RAW. >> Well, I it's not it's it's not just
00:28:24
that. It's like um it's it's this open source firmware that comes in different
00:28:28
modules. So if there's features you want to add to your camera, you go and you
00:28:32
grab those specific modules and then you add them. So if you want like uh focus peaking, for example, grab it, you put
00:28:39
it in the camera. If you want the raw video, you grab it, put it in the camera. If you want like crop modes, you
00:28:43
grab it, put it in the camera. So it lets you sort of build out the software of the camera for whatever you're sort
00:28:48
of doing that day. >> Hugest asterisk it. You will brick your camera doing this. Like you will like I
00:28:56
don't know how I haven't bricked this camera yet, but you will. So just only
00:29:00
do it to cameras that you don't mind just like shredding. And also I just want to say I hate the way this camera
00:29:08
looks. I love this guy. I've taken it to multiple countries. Fits in my pocket.
00:29:13
Great battery life. Everything about it so excellent. This panda colorway is just
00:29:18
>> Yeah, this is taking me really, really, really far back. But the first camera I
00:29:22
ever really got to shoot YouTube videos was a Canon T2i. But I was on the fence way back in 2009 between that and a okay
00:29:33
Pentax. I'm not going to remember the model name, but a a Pentax that would have
00:29:38
been if I had gotten it black and white, like white mostly like this one. And I'm
00:29:42
so glad that I didn't get the white camera. if I could go back knowing what I know now because like really this was
00:29:50
like the first camera I ever bought >> and I didn't really know what I was
00:29:53
going to enjoy about owning a camera, what I was going to enjoy about photography. I really wish I had gotten
00:29:59
a like um like an older micro four thirds Olympus camera. I feel like it would have had all the things that I
00:30:06
would have wanted it to do. It would have been just as adaptable to uh vintage glass. It would have had a much
00:30:11
larger family of ecosystems. It would have had a viewfinder. I would not have had as much fun modding it because that
00:30:16
doesn't really Oh, yeah. It's a screw mount. There's no latch. You literally
00:30:19
like screw it in. >> Oh, wow. I guess it is a circle. >> It's fine.
00:30:25
>> But yeah, so if if you think you want to do this, I would highly recommend
00:30:28
looking at similarly priced old micro four. Before we look at Ellis's photos,
00:30:33
um I think that this is a good example uh of a of talking about contrast because the thing about Marquez's camera
00:30:43
is that it has so much dynamic range >> that everything's a midtone. >> Everything's in
00:30:48
>> and the HDR Ness gives you a lot of flexibility, right? Because you can make
00:30:52
the brights brighter, you can make the darks darker to like add that contrast. But if you keep everything in the middle
00:30:59
of the tone curve, which is like the the highlights are on the right side, the shadows are on the left side and then
00:31:05
the the middle is the middle gray area of luminance. >> Um it looks very flat and to actually
00:31:11
get dimension out of images, you need to have contrast. Now, older cameras like the OSM, who had I don't know, probably
00:31:18
shot like six bit color or something. Um, they could not accept the highlight detail of being outside, you know. So,
00:31:29
as we're probably going to see in a couple of these photos, we're going to
00:31:31
have some clipped highlights. That's fine sometimes. Like, sometimes you want
00:31:35
clipped highlights. >> Excuse you. I know how to use that thing. >> No, I know you know how to use this
00:31:39
thing. I'm not saying it's your fault. Anyway, let's >> uh hold on. I want to find the DxO Mark.
00:31:46
I want to see how many EVs Marquez's camera is of for dynamic range. It doesn't look like they
00:31:51
>> I think it's like 16. >> It's 16, >> I think. So, >> mine is also 16.
00:31:56
>> I'm just kidding. It's 11 photos. >> Yeah. Okay. >> All right. Let's look at Ellis photo
00:32:01
number one. >> Let's do this, everybody. >> Okay. PNG. >> So, some nice vignetting in the corners.
00:32:07
>> Thank you. Um, you know, vignetting was famously used to draw your attention
00:32:12
into the center of the image. In Ellis's case, it's uh it was forced upon him.
00:32:16
>> Featured on a bug, >> but >> can I say something real quick?
00:32:19
>> Sure. >> All of the photos that you're going to see today are completely untouched.
00:32:24
>> Very nice. >> They're all raw in camera. >> We talk about famous Canon color
00:32:29
>> historically has gone back pretty far to be pretty good for a very long time. So,
00:32:34
this is the im an image of a chair in the studio, >> but it's got very nice afternoon
00:32:40
lighting. >> Also, we can see the the sky detail. Surprisingly, it's pretty good. They're
00:32:45
a little blown out on the chair in like a small area. >> It's more that the shadows are
00:32:50
non-existent. >> Yeah. >> Mhm. Yeah. >> Well, I like that. Uh, yeah. So, there's
00:32:54
some like really bright areas on the chair. The the robot room is very, very dark. There's an air of mystery in
00:33:00
there. You know, you don't really know what's in there. M >> um I would say overall I really like the
00:33:04
specularess of the highlights. There's some nice shine in the areas that are
00:33:08
brighter. There's like a lot of sheen going on. >> This lens is a little bloomy. There's
00:33:12
also a lot of chromatic aberration around the edges of of this lens. >> How is that?
00:33:17
>> Chromatic aberration is basically like color separation in certain areas. So if
00:33:22
you look at um because there's >> white light has multiple wavelengths of
00:33:28
color and technically when they come together they create white light but if they get separated slightly because of
00:33:35
uh the lens does not perfectly converge those rays then you get you get chromatic aberration
00:33:41
>> and in the window here there's some blue chromatic aberration coming out. It's
00:33:46
everywhere. It's cool. It's like it's like a pile. It's like almost like there
00:33:50
are there are YouTubers, I won't say who, but who add like chromatic aberration filters to their videos to
00:33:56
sort of and they'll do it around the outside to bring attention to the middle. But it's like anytime there's a
00:33:59
super super high contrast piece, you can see the RGB split around it. It's kind
00:34:04
of like a style. >> Yeah. They're trying to be like E. My my take has always been the the negative
00:34:10
sides of like bad technology or non-advanced technologies can be used as stylistic choices in the future when you
00:34:18
have the option to use them. you know, now before you continue with your review, David, um, not just is this a
00:34:24
cult camera because of Magic Lantern, >> it's I'm actually a member of another
00:34:29
cult, another cult that has very fringe conspiracy beliefs that many people >> Alice, where you going
00:34:35
>> dislike? I'd like to draw everyone's attention to the carpet >> in this picture.
00:34:40
>> What does that have to do with the cult? >> I would like everyone to look at the
00:34:43
amount of textural detail in that carpet. And that is because I am a member of the conspiracy theory,
00:34:51
>> the conspiracy theorist group. >> Carpets, >> the pixel >> that believes in microcontrast.
00:34:56
>> Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. >> And I think that this lens and this camera are microcontrast
00:35:03
beasts. >> What the hell is a micro contrast, >> David? >> It's a little contrast.
00:35:06
>> It's a very unproven thing. >> Is it the 1/ 10,000th of a contrast?
00:35:11
Because okay, lens characteristics are very some of them are are big differences, right? Sometimes you'll
00:35:18
have the famous Helios 44.2 lens that has swirl around the edges. That's a very obvious lens decision in the
00:35:26
production of the lens. >> A lot of other lenses when you get to like Sony lenses, right, because they're
00:35:31
just trying to make like, >> you know, the sharpest possible lens, it's it's optically close to optically
00:35:37
perfect. But a lot of people don't want optically perfect. Now microcontrast,
00:35:43
what people would describe it as as is the look of 3D pop. So you know how you can look at some images and you're like,
00:35:49
"Oh, that's a great photo." And then you look at some and you're like, "Whoa, it
00:35:52
has like spatial like texture and it's sort of like >> coming out of the image." Um, it's a
00:35:58
it's a conspiracy theory. >> It's a conspiracy. >> People argue about it in camera forums
00:36:04
all day >> and they talk about they talk about the existence of it and the non-existence of
00:36:08
it. They talk about how some lenses are better for it where other lenses are worse for it.
00:36:11
>> They'll post like like like data analysis like trying to prove >> that this lens has more microcontrast
00:36:18
and another person would be like no you're you're reading noise and the sensor and
00:36:21
>> yeah it's not it sounds like trying to like quantify soul in a song
00:36:26
>> kind of. Yeah. Okay. >> It's pretty much the same thing. >> Like how much does the image like pop
00:36:30
off the screen, you know? I I I get the textural feeling that you're saying that
00:36:35
you're talking about. You could taste that carpet. >> You could taste it.
00:36:40
>> No, >> we walked. >> Your dogs peed on that carpet >> and thrown up on it.
00:36:45
>> There is definitely a lot of color noise in the carpet. >> Yeah, this is a noisy camera.
00:36:50
>> Noisy camera. So, it's possible that the noise has to do with >> not to just like make you explain 10
00:36:57
million camera things. >> This is not a backside illuminated uh sensor. So,
00:37:02
>> what the hell is a backside illuminated sensor? It's where the back of the
00:37:05
sensor, it has light shown onto it which gives it more dynamic range. >> Perfect. Thank you.
00:37:11
>> Um, less noise. >> And by newer thing, I mean like seven years ago, but this camera is way older
00:37:17
than that. So, >> yeah, less less noise in the shadows. >> Um, my favorite thing about this picture
00:37:22
before we move on is I love the way the reflection of the chair comes out of the
00:37:27
floor and how the camera, the lens plus the floor gives it this crazy sort of ghost bloom. Yeah,
00:37:33
>> I think that's a really compelling part of this image. >> Yeah. No, the the bloom out of this lens
00:37:38
is very nice. >> All right, she popping. >> So, this next photo, before you open it,
00:37:44
next photo is taken on a different lens, a much more standard camera lens, which
00:37:49
is why this is going to look much more just like normal portrait photograph. >> I lied.
00:37:56
>> Oh, beautiful. Thank you. >> This is the second photo. >> This is the second flower.
00:38:00
>> Same flower. >> Same camera, different lens. Wow. Beautiful. Straight out of camera.
00:38:05
>> Straight out of camera. >> That Canon color is really popping, I'll
00:38:07
tell you that. Oh, Mark has >> a thought. >> Nothing. >> What is this?
00:38:16
>> Is this pondering? >> Does anyone want to guess what exotic location I captured these beautiful
00:38:23
tropical flowers in? >> Your backyard. >> Is that cars in the background?
00:38:26
>> Uh, yeah. This is the parking lot outside of our building. >> Oh,
00:38:29
>> yeah. flowers >> to give some verbal description of this. This is flowers with the petals sort of
00:38:36
hanging down at the bottom of the flower with the bulb in the center kind of like
00:38:40
they're very colorful. They're orange and green. They are pink flowers. Um the
00:38:45
one on the left, the highlights are clipped. So, you know, >> you're right. they are
00:38:50
>> could use a little more dynamic range, but overall I think the the bokeh, which
00:38:56
is the out of focus areas in this image, are very creamy >> because this lens gives a lot of that um
00:39:02
that bloom that kind of like gives it to the bokeh. >> And the colors are wonderful. And uh
00:39:08
yeah, if if there was a little bit more dynamic range on that left flower, I could definitely see this actually, you
00:39:14
know, even without that, I could see it on my wall. >> Yeah, thank you. Very beautiful. This
00:39:18
one to me looks like a like a Windows XP wallpaper. Um, >> and uh it's shot with a Canon FD50 mil,
00:39:25
which is a complete cheat code of a lens. If you want to pretend like you're
00:39:29
a really good photographer, get a Canon FD50 mil. >> Yeah, the FDs are famously great at
00:39:35
microcontrast, right? That's what they say. >> I'm a microcontrast machine
00:39:40
>> in the conspiracy world. >> Um, that is a 50 mil with a the 1.6 crop
00:39:45
factor. So, it's more like a 70 mil. Um, which is a really funny thing to have as
00:39:50
a prime on your camera to only have like a 76 millimeter lens. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I really like this photo.
00:39:56
>> Thank you. >> Very pretty. >> Sweet. >> All right, let's look at the third
00:39:59
picture from Ellis here. >> We're back to the TV lens on this one. >> Bang.
00:40:04
>> Bang city. >> See, this is >> this is where the micro contrast starts
00:40:08
to look incredible. >> Yeah, we've got a believer over here, folks. >> Um, yeah. So, this is a photo of a tree
00:40:15
that's lost all of its leaves in the center with trees that have not lost all
00:40:18
of their leaves around it, as well as the sky and a cloud. And yeah, the the it's really popping. The the the
00:40:27
contrast is popping really nicely. There's some nice shadow detail. Um the the blacks are very black. There's a
00:40:33
little bit of peing in the top right. It's kind of got it all, you know. Um >> would you say it's filmic? Yes, because
00:40:42
the thing I was going to say, the reason I don't like digital cameras generally
00:40:46
is that shooting foliage with digital cameras sucks because there's this process called de mosaicing, which we
00:40:53
have talked about in a studio video before >> where you take the photo and the sensor
00:40:57
is like RG RB RG RB and it's this repeating pattern. Yeah. and it takes in these light values and then the software
00:41:07
has to basically put the image back together based on repeating patterns that it notices. But because of that
00:41:16
really really fine detail is not good for digital cameras because the areas of contrast uh get lost in that
00:41:24
restructuring of the image and film uh is just a die. So it's very granular in
00:41:31
its like tonal shifts whereas digital cameras generally have this problem where it's like all the the fringing on
00:41:38
the edges is like very you know it just looks very like tac. I feel like it's
00:41:42
very tied to the resolution of the shot, too. >> It's the more resolution you have, the
00:41:48
more smooth it can appear to be, >> but >> it's digital. So, >> yeah. Yeah. But it's still digital.
00:41:53
Whereas this, and I think ironically, the negatives of this camera are what give it more of that filmic look because
00:41:59
of the chromatic aberration. >> The the wavelengths of colors are actually slightly separated. So, that
00:42:07
direct contrast fringing that you'd normally see on a good camera are not there. And so it looks more um more
00:42:14
smooth, more filmic. The the the trees look more like real trees than you would get from like a high quality
00:42:20
camera. >> It lets you get away with how noisy the sensor is on this camera. Like I I think
00:42:25
in a lot of environments this camera and this lens together are just frankly like
00:42:30
unusably noisy. >> Um but when you have I don't know some sometimes it just uh just works. Yeah, I
00:42:36
like this. >> This photo has simultaneously a ton of dynamic range and almost no dynamic
00:42:41
range at the same time. It's really interesting. >> I like it. >> Um, and then you don't have to review
00:42:46
this one. I just thought this would be a good thing to bring up. And this this the bonus pick is one that I actually
00:42:50
took with you, David. >> Oh, yeah. >> Uh, nope. I lied. This is not a picture
00:42:54
I took with you. >> Oh, no. But when you when you point this camera into the sun, it shoots rainbows.
00:43:00
>> Yeah. >> Love that. >> And I just think that is swell. >> That's cool.
00:43:04
>> Yeah. Um, they use that in movies sometimes. >> Yeah. To get a really cool effect.
00:43:08
>> So, David, going forward, what would you like to see me do with this camera more?
00:43:14
>> Interesting. >> Interesting. >> Yeah. This one's hard. >> This one's hard cuz
00:43:19
>> Cuz it's nonsense. >> It's just like it's so purely artistic.
00:43:24
>> Yeah. >> So, it's like he's telling you how to be an artist now.
00:43:27
>> Correct. You're taking like highly artistic pictures. Ellis, this first
00:43:30
picture, I think everyone in this office has taken a photo of >> the robot arm chair.
00:43:36
>> That's why I included it cuz >> I love this photo. >> It looks so good.
00:43:39
>> I assumed one of you guys would also bring a photo of this chair. >> I think we've all taken that photo.
00:43:44
>> Just like >> just the light is nice in there. >> The light that comes through, especially
00:43:48
now when it's at like 4:00 and we're in the office when golden hour hits. As
00:43:52
long as that wind turbine Yeah. isn't spinning and causing it to like flicker
00:43:57
in that area. Like it's just a beautiful little corner of our >> little al cove.
00:44:02
>> Yeah. >> Very nice. >> There's even a dead Astrobot. >> That's my favorite part.
00:44:07
>> Yeah. >> All right, it's Adam's turn. >> My turn. >> All right, Adam.
00:44:21
>> Yes. >> Tell me about your camera. >> It is I, Adam. I'm at the big boy table.
00:44:25
This is the Rico GR4. It is one of the most hyped cameras on YouTube and I love it. So, I have been shooting with this
00:44:34
for a month or two nowish, something like that. And this thing is exactly what I want from an everyday camera. It
00:44:42
is like one step above my phone, but a thousand steps below Marquez's camera.
00:44:49
>> Also prime. >> Also prime. >> Oh, that's why it's so far below.
00:44:53
>> Yeah. But like I can take this thing out of my pocket and no one bats an eye.
00:44:57
>> Quite literally a pocket camera. >> Yeah. No, it is a it's super small. It's
00:45:01
super thin. It literally fits in my pocket. I don't even need to string it on like a a sling or nothing like that.
00:45:07
>> Uh that is basically the only reason I wanted this camera. I know nothing about
00:45:11
it technically. It was just I saw the pictures that were coming out of it and people were like I was like, "Okay,
00:45:15
those are good pictures." And then I was seeing people just put them in their
00:45:18
pocket and I was like, "That is what I want." the Rico GR series of digital
00:45:22
cameras because they also made GRS of film cameras which by the way were even thinner than that and the only way it
00:45:29
was able to fit fit the film canister was in the grip area. But the body of the camera was thinner than the film
00:45:36
canister. >> But if you put that in a hole like the iPhone, that means it's only as thick as
00:45:40
its thickest point, right? >> Real quick, Adam, is that the regular version of the GR or is that the blurry
00:45:48
version of the GR? It is the regular blurry. I want to get a blurry adapter thing
00:45:52
>> on the before. There only is a regular >> right now. The three has the HDF.
00:45:59
>> Yeah, this is the Rico J4. It just came out. >> I think this is the newest camera out of
00:46:03
all. Yes, it is. It just came out. >> Uh, and the Rico GR3, it got really popular because the Fuji X100V
00:46:10
popped off and then the X100 6 was popular for a long time and this became the counterculture camera to that,
00:46:16
>> which is why it's now popular. Everything's a circle. >> Everything's a counterculture.
00:46:20
>> Um, and instead of releasing the GR4 for many years, Rico just decided to make
00:46:25
multiple variants of the GR3. So, they made the diary edition, which is like a street edition.
00:46:30
>> They made a street GR4 GR3X, which is a 43mm lens, I think. The diary edition,
00:46:36
which was like a a cream color, but they made an HDF version, which is high diffusion filter, which basically makes
00:46:43
the highlights bloom. >> I love that one. >> Yeah. which we can you can like turn on
00:46:46
and off when you want to, which is nice. And then the GR4 right now just has the
00:46:50
regular version. They did announce a black and white version, >> which I want really.
00:46:54
>> Does it have a orange button? >> I don't know. Does it only means the
00:46:58
photos are probably >> more? Never mind. Cuz they're make going to make them a lot lower volume.
00:47:05
>> Interesting. Yeah, I don't think I will ever understand that. >> Making a
00:47:08
>> Did you watch our studio? Black and white. >> Making a black and white camera costs
00:47:11
more. >> Oh, it's it's lower volume. You know, it's lower volume production, but it's
00:47:18
>> I know they take one really want it. >> They take one part off, which is Yeah,
00:47:22
>> you have to really want black and white that type of thing. >> Like instead of just sliding, saturation
00:47:27
zero, you have to want that. >> Yeah. >> Anyway, GR4, um, it's APS-C. It is a 2.8
00:47:35
lens >> and it's got internal memory. >> This is a prime. Um, it is.
00:47:38
>> Yeah. 18.3 mm APS-C, which is like a 23, isn't it? 23. >> Is this 28 on the website?
00:47:46
>> What is this? >> 28 mm equivalent lens equivalent on B&H. >> That's kind of wide. I
00:47:50
>> think that's really true. But okay. >> Either way, I like it. It's like the
00:47:55
perfect equivalent for like run and gun type stuff and personally I do a lot of pictures of like watches, like my watch
00:48:02
shots, and having it be a little wider that way looking down is awesome while I'm wearing it.
00:48:06
>> When I use the GR3, the one thing I didn't Well, the thing I didn't really
00:48:09
like about it, one does not have a viewfinder. which's camera also doesn't
00:48:13
have. It's hard for me to shoot without a viewfinder. >> That's half the fun. You don't know what
00:48:17
you're going to get. >> The screen does not like flip out or anything. The screen is just fixed. So,
00:48:21
it's really hard to shoot from like different angles. >> Stop looking at your pictures. Just
00:48:25
vibes. Just press the button. >> But like Adam said, when it's just like
00:48:28
a run and gun really quick thing, I think it's pretty awesome. >> The thing, again, the thing I I like it
00:48:33
the thing I like the most about it is that when I take it out of my pocket, no one has to pretend to act a certain way.
00:48:40
Like when I had my my real I had a Sony a6500 a few years ago and I had like a giant
00:48:46
lens on it and I would take that to family parties and anytime I would take it out to like people pose and they
00:48:52
start smiling and they're like wait let me fix my hair. >> That does not happen with this camera. I
00:48:55
just pull it out and I can take pictures and everyone's like oh look at that
00:48:59
stark black so very >> low key. It also does video. >> Yeah. You want to guess what it does?
00:49:06
What kind of video? >> I feel like that could do 1080. >> Yeah 1080. 1080. Not even 4K.
00:49:12
>> Mine doesn't do video at all. That's fair. Literally won't even shoot 720.
00:49:16
>> That's true. Yeah. >> Okay, let's look at Adam's pictures.
00:49:19
>> Yeah. >> Picture numero uno >> is a spot that David is very familiar
00:49:23
with. >> This is Central Park. >> Adam and I have been here together many
00:49:27
times before. Or is this Pros Park? >> No, it's Central Park. Yeah. >> Um we're looking at a fall scene. There
00:49:33
is some fall color leaves and there's some dead trees. Importantly, this is not the grass part of the park.
00:49:40
>> No, >> no, it's the water part of the park. Yeah, >> it's a water park. Um, water park.
00:49:46
>> He exposed it for the highlights so that you know the left side of the image is
00:49:50
quite dark, which adds a nice level of contrast, but the reflection in the water of the color of the trees is very
00:49:57
pretty. Very nice. And um >> Central Park, baby. I did nothing. >> You know, it doesn't have a ton of res
00:50:03
resolution, so it does fall apart pretty quickly when you zoom in. Yeah, but don't do that.
00:50:07
>> But don't do that. >> That's all the answers. >> Um, but overall, I think
00:50:12
>> this guy's good. >> Yeah, this guy's good. Another reason
00:50:14
why people like these Rico cameras is the straight out of camera color is also quite nice.
00:50:18
>> That is also very nice. Yeah. Like it I also have it set to also give me the RAW
00:50:22
if I do want to mess with it. But thus far, I have not felt the need to. Yeah. >> Like what it does is pretty spot on to
00:50:28
what I would do. >> Yeah. Very nice. >> And there's also a different setting you
00:50:31
could do for black and white, which is cool. >> Oh, really? >> Yeah.
00:50:34
>> Cool. All right. All right. Very good. >> We'll look at image number two here.
00:50:39
>> Numero dos. >> Numero dos. This would go crazy with HDR. >> Oh
00:50:46
This would go No, Marquez. No. >> Come on. You know I'm right. >> It's the opposite. You know, it's the
00:50:52
opposite of what I want for this photo. >> You know I'm right. >> No, this would go crazy with the HDF
00:50:56
version. That's what I would go crazy with. >> Yeah. This is again a picture of the
00:50:59
corner that Ellis had. It's like a a little chair. a little rearrange different yeah
00:51:05
different vertical aspect ratio but >> yeah so the sun is shining through the
00:51:08
windows is reflecting off of a picture of a car and it's got a really big highlight spot which would look great
00:51:15
with the high diffusion filter version >> give me that ro >> um the color of the greens are
00:51:20
incredible in this look very nice the the highlight roll off and the shadow sort of like the grays to dark colors
00:51:27
are nice um yeah this is just a it's very nice golden hour shot and I think the greens are amazing ing here and HDR
00:51:35
would look terrible. >> It would be blasted in this image. It would be so much brightness.
00:51:40
>> It' be insane. >> Yeah. Um Yeah, I like this photo. >> It's very nice. I like the white
00:51:46
balance. >> The green in the helmet is almost the same as the plant. >> That's good.
00:51:50
>> All right. And then photo number three is Oh, this looks good. Now, I will say pretty
00:51:58
much any camera in extremely perfect lighting like this, like controlled lighting, is going to look awesome.
00:52:05
>> But this is just a quick snap. This is an example of why Adam loves this
00:52:08
camera. It's a quick snap. Clearly, he didn't really like, you know, try to
00:52:11
make it level or, you know, >> I actually tried very hard, but thank you. >> He clearly try.
00:52:17
>> It would have been easier to see if, you know, you could see the screen or
00:52:21
through the the EVF that it doesn't have. Um, but there's a photo of Marquez
00:52:25
doing the smartphone awards live. >> Little BTS. >> Uh, it looks really good. Looks really
00:52:30
nice. The color The color is amazing. The color is really good. >> Yeah, I had to take advantage of the set
00:52:36
that everyone had because everything was too nice. >> It looks great. >> Nice lights.
00:52:40
>> Um, I also like the the highlights on the that are bouncing off the ping pong
00:52:44
table. >> Funny that we kind of used the ping pong table as like a like a bounce card by
00:52:49
accident. Um, but it looks great. This would also go a hard in HDR because the key light, that key light over there,
00:52:55
stay with me, is just blasting into the camera as well as onto the subject. And uh yeah, this would really cook my
00:53:02
irises. >> You want to move everything to the middle of the tone curve? >> What create Okay, what's the difference
00:53:09
between a circle and a sphere? >> Depth. God, >> what creates depth?
00:53:15
>> Z-axis dimension. >> What creates dimension in an image? What creates
00:53:22
>> micro contrast? >> Shading. Marquez. Shading. >> Shading. No, you're right. You're right.
00:53:32
>> I can still hear. >> Let's go. >> Still the longest reverb of all time.
00:53:39
>> Anyway. >> Anyway. Yeah. >> That's why I liked this camera cuz I
00:53:43
could do things like this. Cuz if I had to pull out a whole other camera lens, you would have heard it going off. It
00:53:48
would have been too much. This looks great. This is nice. I saw you in the corner of my eye shooting and I was
00:53:52
like, I'll just I'll pretend I'm not >> Yeah. Yeah. Just ignore ignore him. It's
00:53:55
fine. >> That's what everyone does. >> Very good. Yeah. So, I think um for the
00:53:59
person that wants, like Adam said, you know, something you can just pull out of your pocket, literally your pocket, cuz
00:54:04
this is literally a pocket camera. No one's going to like be posing for every
00:54:08
shot. You can just quickly do this. You know, a lot of the people that use the Did you just take a photo? I I don't
00:54:13
know. I wouldn't know. >> People use the JR4 like they they really are into street photography.
00:54:19
boom boom boom boom boom paying attention like hyper fast GR3X which is the street edition
00:54:32
>> um which is a longer lens that's 43 millime it's a or 40 mm it's a little
00:54:36
more street um focal length I mean a lot of people use 28 for street too but >> so yeah it is um weirdly like twice the
00:54:45
price of what the GR3 They like basically doubled the price and I think they only did that cuz they
00:54:50
knew how popular it was getting >> which is annoying. >> Um, but the images look fantastic.
00:54:56
>> Also, >> thank you. >> I spent a long time between this and I
00:54:59
wound up getting an X1006, but like I was going there's a thousand videos comparing the two, right?
00:55:06
>> And >> I knew it was small, but when we got it, when Adam got it, I was like, "Wow, this
00:55:13
>> it is impressively compact." And the build quality is really solid, too. Like
00:55:18
I assumed being that small and the threes were cheaper. I was like, "This probably feels cheaper." It does not at
00:55:24
all. It's a >> I feel like a lot of the videos I saw comparing the two with the X100 series
00:55:28
and this one, they were like, you know, it's a lot smaller, blah blah blah, but
00:55:32
like it it's they're still both relatively like, no, this thing is small.
00:55:36
>> Also, uh, fun little trivia, Rico and Pentax are the same company owned by
00:55:40
Epson Group, the scanner company and the printer company. >> Goes back to printers.
00:55:45
They also own a happy hacking keyboard. >> They do, which is really weird.
00:55:49
>> Very random thing for them to to own their portfolio. >> Cool portfolio.
00:55:53
>> Besides the scanner part, >> besides the main thing. >> That's the part that makes them money.
00:55:57
So, they can do all the other things. >> Yeah. >> Out of my uh I like these pictures.
00:56:01
>> Thank you. I think I heard that I won this competition. So, now I >> noticed David being much nicer.
00:56:08
>> No sandwiches. Just no sandwiches. Just straight compliments. He said, "I want any midtone."
00:56:17
>> All right, let's bring Andrew up here. >> All right, Andrew, let's talk about your
00:56:21
camera. >> All right, I'm going to preface this with >> preface.
00:56:25
>> I think I am the least camera knowledgeable person here by a long shot. I've understood about 10% of the
00:56:32
things you guys have said in this entire episode. Um, but I love watching all you
00:56:38
guys take photos. So, it inspired me to want to buy a camera recently. Also, having a daughter helps a lot.
00:56:44
>> I take most of my photos of Lane. >> Um, this probably isn't the best camera
00:56:50
to do that, >> but it's small and I always have it. So, like >> that's a great camera to do that.
00:56:54
>> That's I autofocus. >> Yeah, >> with how fast she is has been tough
00:56:58
sometimes. But I only brought in pictures of other things I've taken photos of because it's still fun to
00:57:05
pretend like I know what I'm doing. >> Oh yeah. >> So I w up getting this. Like I said, I
00:57:08
was between a GR3 and an X100. Um the six was the newest one at the time obviously and I was looking through a
00:57:15
lot of used ones and people were selling them for like more than what they came out as which was crazy. And I got lucky
00:57:22
enough that someone who actually listens to the podcast was like, "Yo, I haven't
00:57:25
touched mine in forever. Let me sell it to you. >> Shout out to him. >> Shout out Abraham. That was awesome. He
00:57:31
>> came to my beers and cameras event. >> Yeah, dude. He's awesome. He's really
00:57:33
talented. >> We were following each other. We were going to follow each other on Instagram
00:57:36
and he was I was like, "Oh, you follow or Andrew follows you?" And then he was
00:57:40
like, "Oh, yeah. I sold him his X6." I was like, "Oh, >> it's like kitted out." Yeah. So, it has
00:57:45
a nice little And it has a nice thumb grip from Polarp Pro. It has I bought this uh I think it's from Open Glass
00:57:50
Studio. A little grip on the side. Yes. >> And then I have, it's not on right now,
00:57:55
but I have the Moment Cine Bloom, the 20%, which is a lot. >> It's a lot.
00:58:00
>> And um and the uh Polar Pro short stash. >> Wow. >> Filter that came with it also. So,
00:58:06
>> what does that do? >> Uh it's uh >> gives it a mustache.
00:58:10
>> I have what I thought it did. >> It's like a polarizer and also 14
00:58:15
>> Oh, diffuser. >> Diffuser. Yeah, it's fun. The diffusion stuff has been super fun. I don't think
00:58:22
any of my photos have it, but um >> diffusion is like we talked about earlier with the high diffusion filter.
00:58:26
It just makes everything softer and blooming. It actually helps with digital cameras because we talked about the
00:58:31
fringing in digital cameras. It's like it's it makes it better. >> It's just viby, man.
00:58:35
>> It's viby. Yeah. The pe the reason people buy X100s is because they don't
00:58:38
want to edit their pictures very much and the film simulations are great and they're
00:58:43
>> speaking from experience there. >> Yeah. >> Like Adam, also I take everything in RAW
00:58:49
and JPEG. I haven't touched a raw photo since I've done it because the colors
00:58:52
are super fun out of this. They're just like, >> yeah, it's it's fun to take photos of
00:58:57
Lane with it and take photos of stuff. Right now, Christmas time with lights and stuff and like one of the diffusion
00:59:03
filters is just so much fun to the point where I'm like, I need to put this away
00:59:07
and probably spend time with Lane versus just taking photos. >> Star filter. There's star filters that
00:59:12
the specular highlights like the Christmas trees will like they'll like turn into star shapes.
00:59:17
>> Okay. >> Yeah, it's cool. Yeah, >> you have to show me one of those. All
00:59:19
right, let's let's jump into here to see if I can uh pretend I'm artsy.
00:59:23
>> Oh, wow. >> By the way, this is a prime, right? What's the >> 23 mm? It's like a 35.
00:59:28
>> Yeah, like 35. >> Dude, this is a cool photo. >> I a little mat around this and it would
00:59:33
look great. >> Oh, >> the white border. >> Yeah, this this was I was actually just
00:59:38
like at a birthday party and there was this basketball court that just like you could tell has aged a bit and I thought
00:59:44
the colors of it looked really nice. The sky was beautiful that day and there's
00:59:49
just no one standing there at all and the grass was just so green. >> What film simulation did you use?
00:59:54
Classic negative. >> I think almost all of these are classic classic negative. This may have had the
00:59:59
short stash filter on it. Um >> still don't know what that means. >> It's just the guy I think it's
01:00:04
>> he's a a YouTuber and I think he made a filter with Polar Pro. >> Got it.
01:00:10
>> Um so it's his filter. >> Yeah. When I preview this, it shows it
01:00:13
with like a mat and uh yeah, this is a >> really nice looking picture. >> Compliments.
01:00:17
>> Yeah, classic negative is a really nice >> sandwiches. David sandwiches.
01:00:22
>> I hate um >> HDR HDR, >> which is not at all in this picture. No,
01:00:28
this is a great picture, Andrew. >> Thank you. >> It's nice. >> Um yeah, I think I use that. I have been
01:00:32
It is so much fun to mess around with like recipes that people make. um following the like different Fuji uh
01:00:40
subreddits. >> Fuji X Weekly. >> Yeah. Yeah. And Fuji X Weekly. And just
01:00:43
going through all those and being like, "All right, I'm going out and shooting
01:00:46
blah blah blah today, so I'm going to start uh >> ISO." Oh, shutter speed.
01:00:50
>> Shutter speed. But if you pick it up and spin, that's ISO. >> Oh, that's cool.
01:00:55
>> It's pretty cool. >> Yeah. So Fuji recipes are basically just
01:00:59
like preset settings cuz in the camera you can change the the base film simulation which they have like they're
01:01:05
emulating different um old films but then you can change like the saturation the saturation of the blues you can make
01:01:12
it softer you can change all these settings and so people will create their own recipes to emulate either old films
01:01:20
or just like a style that they like you know they'll call it like Italy in the
01:01:24
summer or something that I have that I really like >> Blues actually was a film though.
01:01:28
>> Was it? >> Yeah, it was a real film. >> Um, but they've become very popular.
01:01:33
People share their recipes online. There's now an app that someone showed me at my beers and cameras event where
01:01:37
you can uh you can just connect to the camera and it will flash the recipe onto the camera.
01:01:42
>> Is it the Fuji app? >> No, >> it's not. Okay, then I'll have to get
01:01:45
that. >> It's a third party app. >> It's not hard to enter them in. It's all
01:01:48
just through the menu settings. It takes a while. Yeah. It's a lot of just like,
01:01:51
>> you know, the joystick fiddling around and stuff like that. >> You can save some presets.
01:01:55
>> That That'd be awesome. Yeah. Yeah. >> Um, you will notice for some reason I
01:01:59
only take >> uh portrait vertical >> aspect. Yeah, vertical photos only.
01:02:05
>> I maybe I should have bought the Fuji X half, but um >> but uh yeah, I don't know why I only
01:02:11
take vertical. >> Damn, this is this is great. >> Which is making it harder to view on a
01:02:17
laptop screen because it's >> The second photo is of some berries on a
01:02:23
bush. Um, it's shot at a pretty shallow depth of field. Probably probably F2.
01:02:28
>> Two. Yeah. >> And it's snowing, so you can see like the flurries of snow. So, it's probably
01:02:32
like a one5th or 130th of a shutter speed. The benefit of this camera, too, is that it's got um ibis. And so, you
01:02:39
can handhold it for like a whole second. And it's awesome. >> It's awesome as long as things are
01:02:44
aren't moving, which when I'm taking photos of Lane. >> The metadata.
01:02:50
>> It was It was super bright outside. This was midday. It just started snowing when
01:02:54
we were in Salem, which >> Okay. >> Which is why that house >> snow kind of looks like elongated, but
01:02:58
>> I think it was just big snow. >> Big snow. >> Big snow flurries. Um the the house in
01:03:03
the background is just like every house in Salem is just this beautiful house made in the like 1800s
01:03:08
>> and it's just a beautiful place to be. >> The colors in this photo are awesome.
01:03:12
>> Thank you. >> Or like the pictures. >> I shouldn't take any credit. It's
01:03:15
probably all >> Well, and this is why people buy these cameras, right? Because you can just get
01:03:20
stuff like this straight out of camera with no editing. Okay, now say something bad. I'm feeling jealous.
01:03:24
>> Um, >> damn. It could possibly I would possibly straighten this >> slightly different cuz you can see the
01:03:34
lines in the back >> are not they're like angled a little This is something I think I
01:03:39
>> do maybe do this in post >> have a big issue with is I do feel like
01:03:43
a lot of my photos are slightly not straight and then sometimes I have problems >> the auto straightening features. So
01:03:52
>> I don't use auto straightening >> also on on these cameras too um on the
01:03:58
on the screen or in the viewfinder. Oh, you have that on? >> I have the 2D one on the 3D one feels
01:04:04
like it takes up so much of the LCD. >> It does. Yeah. Um, but maybe I should do
01:04:08
it. >> Yeah, I would just try one of the auto straightening features. There's also um
01:04:13
like there's perspective correction in things like Lightroom where you just drag a line down one of the straight
01:04:20
lines and it automatically fixes it. >> It goes crazy actually. >> Yeah, it's cool. I use it a lot
01:04:25
>> some cuz sometimes I'll go into the rotation tool, right, and I'll be like
01:04:28
that line looks off. >> Fix that into a line in the rotation tool and be like now this line looks
01:04:33
off. And I don't know if that's me. >> That's perspective issues because you're
01:04:37
shooting this mostly straight on, but that house is like in the background and there's curve there's like curvature
01:04:42
between the foreground and background. >> So yeah, I would use a perspective
01:04:46
correction tool which Lightroom has. >> I will have to find that cuz I think
01:04:50
that would help me with so many. I also am terrible at >> taking a photo headon of something. I
01:04:55
feel like I mostly take photos now at an angle because when I'm headon, I realize
01:04:59
I'm like three degrees off at some point and I can't unsee it in a photo and it
01:05:03
feels like it ruins the photo. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. This is great. >> This is a good picture. I like it.
01:05:07
>> Very nice. Oo, Andrew. >> I think this is all subject. >> Andrew came up with this uh with this
01:05:14
idea for this bonus episode and I think you just show >> I know. Seriously. Link in description
01:05:18
to his store. >> Wow. The colors on this are awesome. Where did you find this?
01:05:25
>> This is in Salem, also. >> Okay, so this is a pay phone that has a
01:05:28
ton of uh spray paint and different stickers on it. And then the wall has a big mural on it, but the colors of the
01:05:36
mural are the same as the colors, both spray painted on and on the stickers of the pay phone. So, it looks really cool.
01:05:44
Looks really nice. Wow. >> We drove by this. >> Dang, dude. And then I later when Lane
01:05:49
took a nap walked back to go take a photo of this cuz I was like that just looks really cool. It like matches the
01:05:55
mural. >> And it's cool cuz like the uh >> the phone cord is like ripped off. Like
01:06:00
this is very clearly a thing that hasn't been used in forever and people just
01:06:05
like >> vandalized it slash turned it into what felt like an art piece on the wall.
01:06:10
>> That is probably my favorite part about carrying an actual camera versus my
01:06:15
phone. like you drove past it and you were like, I'm coming back for that. >> I need this.
01:06:18
>> I need that picture. >> The cool thing is that this is also a 40 megapixel camera, so you can like you
01:06:25
can zoom in pretty decently. >> Yeah, I like >> looks really nice. >> Sure.
01:06:29
>> I would I like the angle that you took this a lot. >> I would I would be interested in seeing
01:06:34
what the perspective of straight on would be, >> which, you know, it's just something you
01:06:38
could do in Gemini 3, but >> just make it for you. just that's Wait, that is a Lightroom thing, right? You
01:06:44
said I could not. >> Yeah, they'll probably add that to Photoshop soon.
01:06:50
>> Um, yeah, the colors of this are great. I think noticing how the colors play off
01:06:55
of each other is a big part of photography and uh I like the Yeah, the 45 degree angle that you took it out is
01:07:01
also really nice. So, >> thank you. >> Wow. >> I think that's a crutch for me. I I I
01:07:06
think I like straight on photos. I just keep messing it up. Do you have like a uh a piece of advice to making sure
01:07:12
you're straight on? >> Straight on is difficult because our eyes notice any of those like small
01:07:18
tilts more. >> So using perspective correction is very helpful for straight on stuff because
01:07:24
the symmetry is so important and we we notice that a lot more when it's straight on.
01:07:28
>> Okay. >> So it's hard it's kind of hard to get a straight on photo that looks like
01:07:32
incredible, you know, you just have to make sure it's perfectly aligned. the
01:07:36
the way I do it. So, the way I do it when we're doing robot shots is like because so often the robot's not exactly
01:07:43
straight with the object. So, what I do is I push the robot all the way till the
01:07:47
table till it presses flat on the edge and then pull it back and don't go off
01:07:51
that axis. >> I don't think I could do that in real life. Just like walk forward until I'm
01:07:56
flat and then walk all the way back and try and be perfect. >> Yeah, I think my train tracks are pretty
01:08:01
straight. >> I think that works. >> Yeah, pretty straight. Yeah, thank you.
01:08:07
I think I also I would like I don't know if you have a quick piece of advice
01:08:12
because I don't have an example. >> All of my good photos are center subject
01:08:17
center frame. >> Uhhuh. >> And I don't know how to I feel like correctly balance a photo which is
01:08:25
probably why I'm taking so much vertical because it feels easier to do that.
01:08:29
>> Rule of thirds is a good like default. Um, >> yeah. Maybe I'm just not finding it
01:08:35
correctly in in the shot in the framing of what I'm looking for. Or uh >> I feel like the eye for something. I see
01:08:42
all you guys take photos of these like >> corners of like a bench or and all that
01:08:47
and I just like walk around. I'm like I don't see that yet in my >> I feel like that with like car
01:08:51
photography. Like I see a lot of people take great pictures of cars like the hoods, the the hood ornaments from
01:08:56
different angles and then I'll pass a cool car and be like, "Oh, I'm going to
01:08:59
try to get this picture." And I just cannot get it. It's so difficult. Yeah.
01:09:04
>> I think that's what I've been trying to do lately is I want to take this camera
01:09:07
out all the time when I'm walking around. >> Yeah. >> Because when I get back, I'm going to
01:09:11
dump 200 photos and I'm going be like, "One of these is cool and I hate the
01:09:14
rest of them." And but if I hopefully just keep doing it, maybe I'll have the
01:09:18
eye for how I could have gotten that cool scene into a cool picture. >> Yeah. It's a lot of like I think when
01:09:25
you're learning you can just you can um look at a lot of photos that you like
01:09:31
and try to understand why you like them. >> Just be like what what is it about this
01:09:35
image that I find compelling, you know, and then try to recreate that. >> It's the exciting piece of the beginning
01:09:42
of skill development where your taste is above your skill and you're like I know
01:09:46
that that's good. I don't I know why that's not that, but I don't know how to
01:09:50
get that to be that. Right. >> It might be the biggest detriment of working here. Like when it comes to
01:09:55
media things, the talent and the gear that we have here is so insane. >> Anyone here at any time can probably
01:10:02
think like, I could do that. I watches do it all the time. And then you do it and you're like, "Wow." Well, that's
01:10:06
almost why like the X100 is such a good camera for like 99% of people because it
01:10:11
does so much for you, but it is it's APS-C, you know, it has less dynamic range than other things like Marquez's
01:10:19
camera like with the the HDR capabilities. The amount that you can do with that extra dynamic range if you
01:10:26
want the creative control to actually do that is like awesome, you know, and you
01:10:31
have all that creative control and what you can do later. whereas this, you know, it's a much more compressed sort
01:10:36
of like amount that you can do with it, but it's so much better straight out of
01:10:41
camera for a lot of people. >> So, >> so give me your uh your H2s, which are
01:10:46
the best for what? >> Oh, yeah. I'd say >> H2. >> If you're writing an article, an H2
01:10:52
headline is just like the bold part. >> Yeah, I can reset. I'd say the X100
01:11:00
series is probably the best like starter camera for anybody, which also pros use
01:11:06
it as their secondary bodies to just have fun with. So, you know, it's both a
01:11:10
starter camera and just a have fun camera. >> I saw a wedding photographer doing it.
01:11:14
They had their main camera was some crazy Canon or whatever and then they just had one of these slung over their
01:11:19
shoulder. >> I mean, yeah, take photos of that at a wedding and people are just going to
01:11:23
instantly love it, you I've been on photo shoots where the photographer is taking like 3 to 5,000 photos on the
01:11:28
main camera and then every once in a while just pulls out an X100 and takes a couple and then goes back to the pro
01:11:33
shots. It's like >> and then only sends the X100 photos. Uh, I say that Adams is probably the
01:11:39
best for just run and gun like street work. Just being as pocketable as possible, you know, wanting some just
01:11:47
like quick snapshots of their life that they don't have to cuz even on the X100,
01:11:51
you're deciding on what uh film recipe you want to use and like you're still
01:11:55
doing some work to get it where you want it to be. But for for the GR4, it's more
01:12:00
about just like in the moment being there. Um, Marquez has >> some recipes, but
01:12:05
>> yeah, >> not like Fuji. >> Yeah, it has some recipes. Marquez's
01:12:08
camera is best for the like pro pro that wants like the most out of the camera possible, the most resolution, the most
01:12:16
dynamic range to play with, the most to like >> flexibility. >> Yeah, flexibility to like craft an image
01:12:22
with >> if you really like mid tones. >> And then um Ellis's camera
01:12:28
most mid camera. Ellis's camera is the best for cult members um who >> for micro contra
01:12:35
>> want yeah for micro contra uh yeah the the thing I do like about Ellis's camera
01:12:40
a lot is that in the photography community there's you know people will argue and complain about what camera is
01:12:47
best whatever whatever but there's also this subset of people that just tries to
01:12:51
that just try to do insane with like the worst camera possible just for fun because it's like worse but worse is
01:12:58
also better in 2025 in a lot of ways because >> everything's good. >> Everything's good. We're so used to
01:13:04
seeing everything with like everything is within like everything is perfectly exposed. Everything's perfectly sharp.
01:13:10
Everything is the autofocus is great. This is great. Blah blah blah. The resolution is great. So, it's almost
01:13:15
like a differentiator to see something that is well composed but with a trash camera that has like low dynamic range.
01:13:22
Low >> how much money people spend and how much time people spend to like get that
01:13:28
chromatic aberration that's in my lens. >> Right. >> I think the tinkering aspect of Ellis's
01:13:32
camera sounds like so much fun. Like that's the kind of stuff >> that's super fun. And then when you go
01:13:38
take the photo that's good and know >> what you had to do to get to that point,
01:13:43
>> right, >> makes the photo. >> This is why I always say Ellis would be
01:13:46
great with an Android phone. But whatever. >> Sounds like what I'm hearing,
01:13:51
>> the best camera you can buy in 2025 >> is the one you already have.
01:13:58
>> No, no, no, no, no. Possible X2D. >> It's a Canon EOSM from 2012.
01:14:05
>> 35 to 100. >> No. Oh yeah, it's uh it is definitely subjective. That is the that is the
01:14:10
beauty of it. It is it's basically it's art and the art will no matter who you
01:14:13
are will be subjective to who you are. And there's probably a little bit of each of these cameras in somebody's
01:14:18
favorite camera. >> Yeah. So >> I'm jealous that your camera has LAR
01:14:22
autofocus. I think that's dope. >> Yeah, it's great when it works.
01:14:25
>> That's true. >> Well, yeah. Thanks for watching. Hope you enjoyed and uh like looking at a lot
01:14:32
of our photos and maybe you have suggestions for how some of us can take better photos as well. Uh, leave your
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you soon. >> Happy Christmas. >> Peace. >> Waveform is produced by Adam and El part
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