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it's not on Wikipedia that they exploded it doesn't seem like it did so maybe
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they didn't wait is there a Wikipedia page about how they did they actually go to out of business it is 3:00 so we
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probably should start the Pod so I just really need to know this really quick okay I'm sorry I can't forget I will
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forget I'm sorry if I don't do this right
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now what what is up people of the internet welcome back to another episode of the way for podcast we're your hosts
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I'm arquez I'm Andrew and I'm David and uh if I'm remembering this right our last episode was outside of our
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regularly schedule programming check it out it's a bonus episode and it has absolutely no Tech whatsoever so if
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you're in our normal audience who really loves Tech okay but if you're in our new
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audience who's maybe like a little into not so much Tech hey some analog stuff over there some mechanical stuff bro
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some acoustic stuff over there users over there I just the Marquez and I just spent 10 minutes arguing about the
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meaning of the word analog so some some not so much text stuff it's really fun actually so go check it out if you want but now we're back it's a Friday for
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real this time and uh apparently there's WordPress drama I need you to explain this to me because I wasn't aware that
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that's a sentence that could be a real thing what is what is happening on I thought that's just what you call stuff that happens on Tumblr word WordPress
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was that a bad joke is Tumblr built on WordPress correct it's well it's owned by automatic which owns WordPress but I
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need you to sort of sort of owns word okay uh do you guys know what WordPress is I feel like we're doing a long form
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episode right now wait can I ALS we didn't do like what else is coming up in this episode oh oh right right May 1957
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okay on today's episode we've got wait wait gu looks like you just didn't want
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to cut that so I just went with it Dive Right In keep going on today's episode we've got uh our favorite developer
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Christian C getting another app taken from him we'll talk about it but also pixel 9A leaks no bar uh some more
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Reddit absurdity Microsoft killing Hollow lens but first David please what
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is happening do you guys know what happened on October 4th 1957 oh God no
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I'm kidding it's not sput it's very close to my dad's birthday but no wow yeah way my dad was also born in 1957 I
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think he's was your dad also born early 60s but October 17th M's oh yeah guess my dad's old all right
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word if you're still around WordPress drama you have you guys heard do you know you Pro you know you've heard of word do you know what it is is a site
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that you can it's a it's kind of like um what's what do we Squarespace Squarespace it's like you can build a
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website on top of it usually a Blog with written posts that's what's that's what I think of when I think of Wordpress
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yeah yeah so different it's open source right right yes and no yes and no and
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that's what makes this drama so spicy okay cool okay so WordPress is technically a CMS or content management
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system that throughout the years has been built out more and more to be able to run full websites gotcha now the
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thing about WordPress is that it's it's very interesting because there is wordpress.org which is a open sourced
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Foundation that builds WordPress right and then there's also wordpress.com which is a for-profit
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company that is owned by automatic which is a company that also own Pocket Casts
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Tumblr some other stuff old school hold on this is already reminding me of OBS
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versus streamlabs OBS and that's because it's extremely similar okay yeah cool yes it's actually almost the same story
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and when I was yeah I was doing a lot of research on this yesterday and I was asking a lot of my friends who are really deep in the open source Community
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about this stuff because I wanted to like find some analogies and that kind of stuff um yes okay so wordpress.org is
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this open sourced Foundation that builds word press and then wordpress.com owned
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by Matt Mullen mullenweg who runs automatic which also owns Tumblr Pocket
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Cast long range gravitar and actually recently acquired beeper if you remember that when that happen weird portfolio it
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is a cool portfolio interesting yeah so Matt mullenweg is a co-founder of
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Wordpress he like built it he wanted it be open source he's like a hardcore open- sourced kind of guy um but it's
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also hard to keep contributing to an open source project if you want it to be
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your job right if you want something to be open source and you're not really like making money from it a lot of the
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times what will happen is companies will spin up a for-profit wing of the project
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that makes money but then contributes back to the open- source project and the point of Open Source is that other
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people can take that code use it as the foundation for something and build other things yeah okay now just so happens
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that another company took that open source WordPress code and hosts
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WordPress for people called WordPress engine specifically what wordpress.com does that wordpress.org does not do is
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they're like a hosting service right okay so they provide like really easy setup of your website and they'll host
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it for you and then they have like customer service and plugins and all this stuff yeah so you can have a you too can have a Blog mm yeah that sounds
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like what Marquez is comparing to Squarespace yes because you can use Squarespace to host you or you can just
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buy domain from Squarespace or you can just use them as your host yeah I used to have Google domains domains uh they
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got bought by Squarespace now I am forced into the squares spaced oligarchy same yes okay so WordPress engine which
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is this other company that is a host provider that uses WordPress has been around since about 2010 so they've been
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around for a really long time now this drama all started at wouldn't you believe it a conference called word Camp
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which I cannot believe people people go to yeah cuz it sounds like the nerdiest thing ever but that's okay 40% of the
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web 40% of the web it's a conference uh around WordPress that's hosted in Portland wait can I also I think the
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thing confusing me is saying WordPress every time and so this was word Camp was hosted by WordPress the found open
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source yes okay yes so wordpress. yeah it's confusing wordpress.org opsource
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wordpress.com automatic company but Matt Mullen WG is like on the is a chair of
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the wordpress.org foundation and is the CEO of automatic so there's some weird cross-pollination because it was his
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idea where he has control over the organization but he also runs a for-profit company and this this is why
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this drama is spicy and weird Okay fun yeah okay so at the uh word camp
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conference he basically had this whole presentation where he started just
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directly calling out WordPress Eng and telling people that they should move off of them and the reason is because in
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a blog post later he called the company a cancer to the community because they
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do not contribute like almost anything back to the open- source code of wordpress.org generally in open source
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it's kind of like standard to like if you're using open source code have Engineers that are like building upon it
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and then pushing that back into the open- source version of the project because the whole point of Open Source
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is that the community is getting together to make something really good that everyone can build off of right so
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apparently Matt says that wordpress.com automatics company that he is CEO of contributes 3,900 hours per week to the
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development of the world WordPress open source code whereas he says that WordPress engine only contributes 40
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hours a week to it so this story is kind of a mix of like what's legally okay
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versus what's morally okay and that's what makes it really interesting um so Matt sent then sent a
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cease and assist letter to worst press engine for using the abbreviation
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WP because it says it he says it will mix people up thinking that it's actually WordPress when it's not
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WordPress that is exactly the streamlabs OBS like scenario but wait did he send
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the letter to himself no no because he sent it to to WP engine okay wait cuz so
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Matt owns Matt's on the chair of wordpress.org the foundation yes also CEO of
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wordpress.com for-profit company and then WP engine is a separate company owned by the private Equity
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Firm okay yeah wordpress.com and WP engine are both hosts like they host
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WordPress sites right yes I got lost a little bit no if you're
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confused I don't want the podcast listen am I the only Escape am I the only one confused
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by that I'm trying to keep up okay what's your what's your question do you have questions what's the drama okay well the
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main drama is that Matt mullenweg who is the co-founder of the WordPress
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foundation and CEO of automatic which owns wordpress.com is angry that WP engine
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does not contribute to the open source code of wordpress.org well they do well
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they do yeah 40 hours a week he say which is one employee yeah sure
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okay um so he sent a cease and desist letter to WP engine for using a name
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that makes customers think that WP engine is WordPress because when people go and they want to set up a WordPress
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site the SEO probably sometimes directs you to WP engine and sometime directs you to wordpress.com and it's kind of his fault
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in my opinion that he called his for-profit website wordpress.com when wordpress.org is the
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open source Foundation I I know that's kind of confusing okay I can confirm
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there is confusion to be had there is confusion okay WP engine then responded with their own cease and assist that
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claimed that Matt demanded that they send a very large sum of money just days before the WordPress convention and if
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they don't send it he was going to carry out a quote scorched Earth nuclear approach against this
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company so he allegedly sent them a text saying he was going to make the case at
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WordPress Camp as to why they're banning WordPress engine in a slide deck called how private Equity can hollow out and
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Destroy open source Community a story in four parts um I would watch that YouTu I
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already want to watch it yeah and then he demanded that they pay a LIC licensing fee for the name WordPress or
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contribute their fair share to the development of Wordpress so the story is kind of around like technically open
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source right you can build anything off you want off the open source code and there's nothing legally that says you
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have to contribute back to it however Matt is very angry that this private Equity Firm clearly does not care about
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the development of Wordpress saw an opportunity saw it runs 40% of the web and was like let's just make a ton of
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money and its name is very similar to Wordpress so it has good SEO already um you get 1% of that 40% you're banking
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yeah so then wordpress.org banned WP engine from accessing their servers to
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actually pull the open source code from which means that none of their customers could like ever update their sites when
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the WordPress org Foundation updated the code um and it made it so it was very
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difficult for WP engine customers to use the service Matt then did re reverse the ban but gave them until October 1st to
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create their own mirror to wordpress.org or resolve their conflict anyway that's most of the drama there was an update
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this morning that it was revealed that automatic asked for 8 % of WP engines
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Revenue either to be paid directly to automatic or to WP engine employees to
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contribute to wordpress.org but if they chose the 8% route WP engine
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would have to give wordpress.org an automatic full rights to their time sheets to make sure they were fulfilling
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their obligations yeah so that's a lot it's a lot it's very confusing it's very boring
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but it is it is kind of wild I think this is kind of what happened when you have one person who is Hardcore about
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open source who runs the foundation and a PRI for-profit company off of the
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foundation it's like you're allowing other people to make things based on your code but you're also demanding that
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they do a thing that they're not actually legally obligated to do yeah yeah but I feel like he's also coming at
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this from the point of like it's kind of an Unwritten rule where like yes it's
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open source like you should be contributing to it if you're using it so like for to make that demand yes it's
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illegal or not not legally obligated I guess is the way of phrasing it yeah but
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it it's kind of fair in my opinion I don't know cuz it's like like you're using this it's one of those things
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that's not like legally incorrect but morally incorrect right and um because
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they're a private Equity Firm yeah yeah yeah and like the whole point of it is you know you're taking all that again
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streamlabs OBS was like taking all the stuff from an open open broadcast Source oh yeah whatever it was it was a a
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streaming site or a streaming program that was all open source and then streamlabs a for-profit company that was
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like taking it and they threw OBS at the end of their name to the program thought it was OBS the open
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source one but really it was a way to make money off of what felt like the name it's uh where do you think this is
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going to go you like where are we at right now right the reason that the story is like spicy and kind of
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important is that it could change the way that open source Works um and like
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or the ability for an organization and Foundation to have like such a closed
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AFF close affiliation with like a for-profit company because I think that's there's a kind of a conflict of
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interest there yeah that seems like what people have a strong disagreement with well especially since he said either pay
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automatic directly which is not wordpress.org and I'm sure that his mindset is like we will have Engineers
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work on the project based on your funds or you contribute directly but we will like look at your time sheets which is I
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feel like that's just like trying to force their hand to just have their employees work on the open source code
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yeah like I don't think he actually expects them to pay him 8% you know I mean he asked for it yeah it's like give
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me a million dollars or invest that in your own company you know like that's basically what he's saying so that they
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can work on open source yeah it's like yeah you can give me the money and I will gladly take it but like the smarter
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route is to just have your engineers work on the open source code like everyone else yeah yeah so who knows
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where this goes I think a lot of people are just like this could end up in a legal battle and that legal battle could
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change the way that open- Source organizations work but uh yeah it's
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spicy because they cut off WP engines like access for a while and it made a ton of websites not work
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properly but yeah um thank you for explaining that I'm sure anyone listening well in tune with what's going
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on was like that was a terrible um example of it but it's because David had to dumb it down so hard for us to
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understand um but thank you for doing it for us yeah it's all kind of crazy I'm
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interested to see how it comes out where this goes if it goes anywhere if this is just going to be a uh public headbutting
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for a little while probably for a little bit probably for a little bit but anyway we can move on until there's an update
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on that cool yeah sure all right Christian time sure so I remember you a
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couple months ago telling me that he made a Vision Pro YouTube app yeah Juno
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and I don't remember exactly what I said but I'm pretty sure at some point I was like how long till this gets removed
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sure can I explain Juno real quick yeah there's no YouTube app inside the Apple Vision Pro correct Christian cig very
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popular developer one we've talked about a million times on here because he made Apollo the Reddit app which rec recently
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got the M the Martyr for going down um and he made this app inside of the
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Vision Pro to let you watch YouTube now it wasn't specifically a YouTube app it
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was kind of like a reskinned Safari browser that was solely focused on
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YouTube and like made it feel like a native YouTube app but the way he got
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around it was kind of like this is it's not using YouTube's API but it's using
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I'm pretty sure Safari and it's kind of just like a new way of opening a safari tab inside of YouTube with a full screen
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player and like skipping play Paw different controls and stuff um they the
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App Store just took it down um which yeah you kind of called it was because of Google though it was because of
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Google YouTube took it down YouTube Google forced them to take it down saying it violated their trademark okay
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um in April YouTube told Christian that Juno violated YouTube's API turns a
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service but he rebutted to them and say and said we don't I don't even use the YouTube API okay so they were just
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assuming that he was using the YouTube API apparently uh and then after all that he like removed the YouTube logo
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from the app's homepage and added unofficial to its App Store description but now it's at the point where it's
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getting actually serious and uh he has to take it down now famously when the Vision Pro launched there were a bunch
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of apps that were missing that everyone was like this is making this headset like way less Netflix one of that like launched
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Netflix app YouTube is planning launching a Vision Pro app in
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February uh which is interesting because everyone was sort of thinking that Google was just doing it because they didn't want Apple's product to succeed
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um but yeah I don't know I'm assuming if they're taking down Christians at this point because like if you don't have
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your own app on a platform and someone makes a third party one they're giving you another way to like watch your service which to me says like yeah which
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to me is like that's only good for you but them forcing him to take it down tells me that they are planning on soon
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launching theirs and they just don't want there to be a competitor to play D's Advocate too also if you run YouTube
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and someone else makes a third party YouTube app and a lot of people think it's a YouTube app yeah that's out of
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your control so no matter what that person does with that app in the future people will think it's you even if they do lots of good things that's great for
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you but when they do something bad you you can't right YouTube does enough bad things by themselves to catch they don't
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need someone else totally true they want to own those bad things all of them so
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yeah I I guess I wasn't shocked I'm actually surprised that it took this long but at this point now the only way
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you can watch YouTube videos on the Vision Pro is back to just the browser the Safari like going to youtube.com and
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Safari and watching them there I think this is such a view into the future
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versus what it used to be like in the past on like Android phones and early iPhones when everyone was making rappers
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for everything to make the experience better and it was just kind of known and open that people are going to be doing
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this and there were like 20 different Reddit clients and a bunch of different clients for Twitter and like the
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developer Community was so cool and vibrant and then now all these companies are trying to take back control of their platforms keep all their users in on
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their platform so they see the ads that gives them money all this stuff um the thing about it it like wasn't even it
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wasn't like VC or whatever that takes away ads you know it was still playing all of the regular ads because it's
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still just streaming a YouTube video did it allow like off like downloading or something some other there's some
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something I'm not I don't know sure I'm not let's see I mean clearly the lawyers didn't really know anything about how he
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built it because they were like you're using our API and he was like no I'm not so I'm sure that Google was just like
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there's a thing that does our thing you should make it stop yeah yeah it's using our name it yeah cist yeah yeah I will
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say I am old enough to remember when YouTube the app was preloaded on every
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iPod Touch MH and remember that fire logo that it used to have yeah that
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analog that skoric logo analog that's analog that is analog TV I that was like
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the first piece of tech that I really got for myself as a kid and having the YouTube app on the iPod Touch like that
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was that was formative for me oh that was also like basically my first big piece yeah I remember you know the good the
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good old collaboration days between Apple and and YouTube but yeah Yep this has gone from the App Store I we'll see
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if end up if we end up getting a YouTube app for The Vision Pro at some point I will say I haven't I haven't actually used my Vision Pro now
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in at least two months yeah what do you think is for you the most useful time do
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you think the plane is the most useful time to use it it's great for just casual browsing random stuff I you
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haven't used it in two months right like very casual gaming so yeah I might I'll take it on my next flight I will Marquez
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doesn't do anything casually well I only 100% all the time yeah there are there
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are some movies that I want to watch I think one of them was on Apple TV so I think I will download it on the Vision
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Pro and watch it on the plane I will alien the
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the first 1979 why is that the one you want to watch CU there's a new one and I want to
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see alien of them alien there's a few what we'll see there's a few might end
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up watching all no no no it's but because i' you know I've known you for a little bit now and yeah I've never heard you be like I want to go to the movies
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that's why I asked no I don't I don't want to go to the movies division Pro okay yeah I don't cool this is cool for
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you I like this I like this he's going to go to the movies with his Vision Pro no I'm not going to I'm watch it when it
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comes out and I can watch it this reminds me that I had like a I have many it's not even really a tangent just a
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small thing speaking of the movies see you in 20 minutes speaking of the movies small uh last night I accidentally went
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and watched a 2hour children's film in the movie theater what's the accidentally yeah how is this an
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accident so there's a movie called The Wild robot that came out and
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it yes okay look yes it's animated uhhuh okay but as robot 97% yeah look 97% on
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Rotten Tomatoes I saw like two people that I follow on Twitter being like the wild robot is like really beautiful and
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really fun I really enjoyed it and I was like huh it might be like one of those animated movies that's like actually
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made for do so I didn't look up anything about it mhm I took a friend we bought some tickets neither of us had read
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anything about it looked up anything about it it was like really hard to watch because it was such a children's
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movie this looks awesome I mean the animation style is incredible yeah um
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but just the writing and the like the pacing and the fact that there's like orchestral music playing 20 the entire
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time and there's no like pacing at all it's just kind of like fast-paced
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children's movie and then everyone's happy together and working together all the time it was just so unrealistic I
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don't think that makes a good children's movie I always think like I always keep going back to A Bug's Life being a good
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like an underrated movie there's like deep St and dramas and villains and like it's it's a well-rounded movie even
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though it's kid movie you can still enjoy it as an adult I think that's what makes it a good yeah like Shrek yeah
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yeah you know SpongeBob ants but this has like a 98% yeah I'm not okay look to
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be clear I'm not saying this movie is bad I'm saying it was clearly made for kids and it's really I didn't know so I
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kept waiting for there to be some sort of like real like gripping story and it
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just really wasn't there and I left the movie theater being like man I just literally watched a full kids movie the
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lights turned on it's just toddlers everywhere dude there were it was there was only like eight people in the theater and there's just kids running
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and screaming around the entire time I was like sorry I can't do this I can't be a next door kind of guy that's what I
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feel right now fle those kids up lock them in their chairs can't be running we
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told you it was a 20-minute detour hey that was only like five anyway that was my that was my movie theater rant since
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you will not be watching this in a movie that's perfect uh okay we should take a break we got way more talk about pixel
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stuff Reddit stuff but before we do that I I think we should do some
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trivia trivia dude so first question friend of the Pod Christian selig maker
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of the Apollo Reddit app which we have covered at length here also pixel Pals I
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was hoping that was going to be the question no that's not the question because it's awesome and everyone should go get that up but did you know he also
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has a YouTube channel you did I do watch because I got served his video nice his last video was
00:25:37
all about making a common Tech accessory from scratch that's right can you tell me what he made here's a hint there's
00:25:46
one of them in this room right now you don't need to give them a hint well it sounds like you guys have
00:25:52
both seen his YouTube channel there's a 3D print of Marquez oh my God I got sered the video and I was like wait he
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oh he just started a YouTube channel I clicked on it he has like multiple videos I was like wow I feel like a terrible friend there's one okay I'll be
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using the there's one in this room uh heavily too good yeah okay all right
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well I'll be thinking about that and the answers will be at the end like usual we'll be right back
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welcome back we got to talk about this pixel 9A leak so I don't know if you've
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watched a pixel Fold review uh I mentioned in that pixel 9 Pro fold r viiew that the camera bump on the back
00:28:34
doesn't quite look like the rest of the pixels like it's not a visor it's more of like a bubble in the corner and it's
00:28:39
just a I kind of wish it was more of a visor it's sort of it's a square actually either way it's not a visor
00:28:46
right now we have leaks of what may be the next a series pixel the budget pixel
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pixel 9A and for those who are not watching in video it also is not a visor
00:28:58
matter of fact it's just an essential phone it's the essential phone like it's
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like a it's a flat-sided glossy backed big old Bez big not huge but like it's
00:29:09
an a for today that's the big bezel uh even even bezels whole punch cutout and
00:29:16
totally separate flash next to the camera module dual cameras it looks very essential phone but with a giant G on
00:29:22
the back and a huge camera but how we feeling is this boring I mean it's black there's no like leaked in this
00:29:29
particular render I mean if it was made out of the same materials as the essential phone maybe I'd be
00:29:34
excited cic phone people forget that phone back
00:29:40
in the day was like pretty well really well built and it was like 400 bucks right I think it was
00:29:48
5449 or and it had a headphone jack well oh wait oh wait hey you could buy an
00:29:54
attachment to put headph I don't think they ever sold that attach though right it was on the road map but I don't think
00:30:00
they put it out I thought they eventually did the first one was that 360 Cera 3 camera yeah maybe they did
00:30:06
sell it anyway the the pixel 9A will probably be very very predictable it
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will it will probably be 449 or something like that it will probably be
00:30:18
a tensor G4 it will probably be the old camera sensors regular and Ultra wide
00:30:24
yeah it will probably be do we think it'll have in screen fingerprint or
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power button fingerprint that's the only thing I'm not sure uh what does it look like in I prefer this render looks like
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two regular buttons so I would guess not gu prob probably in screen but maybe not ultrasonic cuz it' be cheaper that cuz
00:30:43
they're ultrasonic and the new one probably Optical probably 128 gigs of storage Gemini 8 gigs of RAM did you
00:30:49
explain why this looks like the essential phone cuz there's no camera bump yeah right recessed camera yeah
00:30:54
it's it's very flat as well which I like I think a lot of people are going to like I'm hoping that means enough
00:31:00
battery as well like go ahead and add battery if you want to flatten out the back of the phone and not have a camera bump and have more battery great love
00:31:06
that um well that just generally means the sensors are way smaller right also 100% true the reason we have the camera
00:31:12
bumps on these phones is because the sensors are huge and they have a large z-axis Dimension which means you just need to protrude it out the back yeah so
00:31:20
yeah smaller sensors equal smaller camera bump I think the conversation with pixel for me is still mostly around like is the next version actually going
00:31:26
to be like a huge jump up for tensor is it actually going to be the exciting like well this is going to be G4 right
00:31:32
this one's not going to have the new one the it'll be pixel 10 generation that has that stuff yeah so still a wait for
00:31:37
that but that's the question is like okay should I should I buy the pixel 9 series Generation stuff or should I be
00:31:42
waiting for this alleged amazing huge efficiency update for the 10 and the
00:31:49
tensor G5 if they still call it that unsure yeah a lot of rumors about that well for the h 100th time they're
00:31:56
releasing this allegedly in Spring like usual I want to say and they need to stop doing that because I know why they
00:32:02
do it and in that they're just like the parts are so similar to the regular
00:32:07
phone that people aren't buying them anymore so if they release a new thing but it uses a lot of the same Parts
00:32:13
they're technically just selling more of the phone yep but when they do this like this the nine is out only like six
00:32:21
months before the 10 the 9 a 6 months before 10 so it's just like I don't want
00:32:26
to buy this phone when the 10's about to come out but if it's half the price then maybe people won't care as much what if
00:32:31
they did at the Apple way and instead of calling it The 9A they called it the pixel SE so you don't think about the
00:32:37
nine as much it's just a budget pixel and the way that Apple does it is they only release an SE every few years sure
00:32:44
yeah oh yeah about the us it's going to be like iPhone 10 body is what people
00:32:49
are saying 10r maybe yeah which is annoying cuz I wish it was a mini they
00:32:55
should just make it the iPhone Mini body what the hell his shot uped up how
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many I sleep I'm reading the the Tesla self-driving case uh uh like legal I'm
00:33:10
trying to decide if it's worth talking about but I heard iPhone Mini and was like wait I just want to say I appreciate that this leak is six months
00:33:17
until this probably comes out yeah we are out there yeah well it's Google I
00:33:24
know it's so on brand yeah they are not good at keeping secrets also do we think this is going to be more expensive cuz
00:33:30
the 8A was $4.99 I think atun was the rumor is that it's the same price oh it is the same price pixel I think it was
00:33:37
49.99 we keep jacking the price up every year go high don't get on us yeah true I
00:33:43
don't think you can launch this higher than 500 bucks what if it has all the Gemini stuff they also increased the
00:33:49
price of the standard pixel 9 by $100 remember they did yeah so that's what
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makes this like is this a good buy or not Val depends 8 a was like almost the
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same price as the on sale should we okay well should we bet on the price the launch price of the pixel 9A $4.99 $4.99
00:34:08
let's do it $4.99 5.49 oh that's what I was going to say okay I'll go$ 5.99 oh my God if it's I hope that's wrong
00:34:17
do wrong yeah they don't even have a camera do they add a bunch of RAM is that how they could it's supposed to have eight gigs of RAM probably for the
00:34:24
AI stuff because all the all the pixel 9s have I think the reason the regular pixels could go up is because you start
00:34:31
getting to that next iteration of like 500 right or even 250 maybe so like 500
00:34:38
feels like the limit of what these middle range lower and phones are yeah
00:34:44
we've had flagships cost but like the pixel ones were under a th000 so they could bump that up to get to the
00:34:49
Thousand M they shouldn't well whatever they can do whatever they want this feels like if you go 549 if you go$ 5.99
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on this that's crazy that better be on sale in like a week right after it comes out yeah I think that's bad every year goes
00:35:04
up by a little bit I bet it's going up again dang $4.99 do you guys remember the pixel 4A Best Value phone ever
00:35:11
correct 349 I gave that thing a trophy that's wild yeah anyway okay so wait you
00:35:17
were just reading about pixel uhla full self driving did you guys see the Cyber truck is slowly getting a roll
00:35:24
out of full self-driving I'm scared of that so I just want you to know when you see truck on the road that thing might be driving just want you to know are you
00:35:31
turning yours on um I guess I'm in the early wave I don't use autopilot that
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much but I kind of want to see what happens I I got tailgated by humme the other day
00:35:44
and almost thought about quitting driving I've been seeing a lot of them recently by the way flew up on me and I
00:35:50
was like hold on a minute but I've seen quite a few recently H they're out there was it the
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truck or the SUV it was a pickup truck he blew by me on like two lanes to the
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right cuz I was recently reading a comparison of the Hummer SUV to like the r1s and some other electric pickup
00:36:10
trucks and I realized the Hummer is only two rows it's like by far the biggest
00:36:16
one but it's only two rows for some reason I thought that was weird yeah
00:36:21
it's gigantic also for those who might not have seen the Silverado EV review um
00:36:27
this Silverado pickup truck gets well over 400 mil of range but I missed the Silverado completely it came over it
00:36:34
came out really recently we got the we had it though I totally missed the full size this was one where I was like it is
00:36:41
it actually going to get this much range cuz everyone keeps telling me like oh yeah the rivan's fine and like the F150 Lightning is fine but just don't forget
00:36:47
about the Silverado gets 450 mies of range I'm like dude are you serious how I do really think it's going to get that
00:36:52
much range but then it comes out and we test it the thing has a 205 KW hour battery it is enormous it is extremely
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heavy just like the Hummer but the Hummer is not aerodynamic or trying to be efficient it's got Offroad tires try
00:37:06
to be inefficient it has no intention of getting a ton of range it has a th000 horsepower but the Silverado EV not a
00:37:12
sporty 475 miles of range on the dash and like a very legit like if you drive
00:37:19
like a grandma I could get 430 probably that's still really high that's really good yeah for a truck but the only way
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they could do do that was by having a 6,000lb battery at the bottom of it so yeah yeah that's where we're at also the
00:37:33
reason we have been seeing way more Hummer EVS is because according to good car badar automative sales data in 2022
00:37:42
Hummer sold 854 in 2023 they sold 3,260 and this year so far theyve sold
00:37:50
8,903 why are people buying so money aren't they still expensive what's going on I don't understand do at this what is
00:37:57
happening they're taking off for some reason s how many did you say were sold this year 9,000 9,000 yeah that's also
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how many R1 s's were sold this year really year yeah 10,000 but is rivine
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going down in sales uh no that's uh yeah maybe a little they sold 23,000 last
00:38:18
year so maybe they're down a little but they sold a lot in the last part of the year so probably similar to last year it's crazy that is a lot of Hummers why
00:38:25
are people buying these who is buying these maybe for home battery backups if you're watching the dishes and just bought a Hummer Eevee tweet at us zero
00:38:33
tweets that's wild maybe one well shout out to the Hummer I'm
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fishing all right Andrew do you want to explain this uh Reddit news to David
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probably actually knows more about this than I do I saw and assumed that you could explain it to us I don't feel like
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censoring the next three minutes so let's okay David okay what is happening all right I'll try to make this less
00:38:55
boring it's not WordPress no I can get more angry at this so don't worry if you remember up you know that
00:39:02
Meme where it's like the gamer sitting back Reddit okay okay so if you remember
00:39:09
last year there was a big Reddit Revolt because they basically made their API completely inaccessible because they
00:39:15
made it so expensive that no third party app developers could really feasibly run a thirdparty Reddit client unless they
00:39:20
charge for it well there's like one or two that's why I said unless they charge
00:39:25
I only have one and I pay subscription he pays for it exactly that's how I get it right so okay um yeah that's how
00:39:31
Christian SE legs can we like podast can we say like go buy Pixel Pals because if
00:39:38
Christian if you're listening to this episode I'm sorry about us talking about all the things that have been taken from you yeah yeah okay um so that API change
00:39:48
that got rid of all the third party apps because the official app really sucks and has like it's just not good it's
00:39:53
still terrible it's still terrible um there was a bunch of sitewide protest which included a bunch of subreddits
00:39:59
taking their subreddits private because if you didn't know Reddit is run by a bunch of unpaid moderators of people who
00:40:06
are just enthusiasts about a topic like Wikipedia and they are the ones that basically like run the subreddits they
00:40:12
moderate the subreddits they like take inbox requests and all this stuff and so now that Reddit ipoed and is trying to
00:40:19
make money back for its investors right it basically effectively cut off the API so it can like maintain all the users on
00:40:26
its app um um K so Reddit eventually won that war because obviously they just
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needed to wait it out until either the Reddit admins took over the inactive subreddits or just Clos down the
00:40:39
subreddits usually they took over them you can't you can't delete a subreddit
00:40:45
so as far as I know probably all of them are open because if it was down long enough and someone requested to take
00:40:51
over it the like Reddit administrators were would do that which is what happened to MKBHD is now an
00:40:59
unofficial yeah okay so a way that subreddits were also protesting beside
00:41:06
uh was basically taking their subreddits private which is a thing that you can do
00:41:11
where you have to be invited to be on the subreddit it's a feature but by taking it private it forces anyone
00:41:17
that's not invited to be part of the subreddit to not be able to see it so this subreddit is private another thing
00:41:23
that they were doing to protest was they were changing the subreddit from from a safe for work subreddit to a not safe
00:41:29
for work subreddit and what that does is it stops ads from being able to play on the subreddit because ad networks don't
00:41:36
want their ads affiliated with not safe for content and I think it also made it so like if you're in a logged out state
00:41:43
it won't show Not Safe For Worse stuff I believe won't show on a front a front page of right something that's not
00:41:50
curated inside of a user account right yeah yeah um so now what Reddit is doing
00:41:56
is they are making it so that if you either want to S take the sub private or you want to change it to a not save for
00:42:02
work subreddit you have to submit a request to Reddit itself and then they will approve or deny that request so
00:42:09
they are basically taking away as many possible ways for people to protest on
00:42:15
Reddit as possible shocker you know and they have all this kind of handwavy thing of you could still protest by
00:42:23
commenting you can still protest by giving us more traffic yeah yeah which does nothing um yeah there are some
00:42:30
little asteres requests that will be automatically approved for subreddits that are smaller than 5,000 members or
00:42:37
less than 30 days old so technically you could protest if you don't
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matter SI yeah to the sub to the subreddits traffic it just seems like a
00:42:48
like to reddits traffic Band-Aid fix for I mean it's basically completely stopping people from being able to
00:42:54
effectively protest on Reddit yeah I like in the way that they have in the past yeah yeah I wonder what would
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constitute something they would approve on setting a subreddit private like what
00:43:06
would what would we have to do if not for work content or no but that's a whole another switch so and you have to
00:43:11
get that approved as well right yeah yeah so what's the approval process of that post like a bunch of not safe for
00:43:16
work content on the page and then say this shouldn't this should be not safe for work like approved how do we get
00:43:22
privating the MKBHD subreddit approved if we were still part of it just making sure that's which we're not but like if
00:43:28
we actually if we wanted to how how would we is there any good reason to not
00:43:33
that I know of if there's one thing I know about the Reddit Community they will find a way to protest this they
00:43:38
they're creative over they are creative we should all move to dig L is dig still around let's go to L
00:43:46
uh I mean everyone left dig for I know that was like such a this is just a like clickbait oh no it's a click this is
00:43:52
like old BuzzFeed yeah that's a sad that's sad let's take it back yeah I don't want to see it in this
00:43:58
state all right next up Microsoft discontinuing Hollow lens 2 with no
00:44:06
Replacements did you guys see this and nobody was I didn't know they were still making okay that's what I'm talking
00:44:12
about but I think it's because Hollow lens is all Enterprise related didn't they have military contracts they have a
00:44:19
bunch of I think they have a ton of different contracts and it actually is extremely popular in a lot of different Enterprise situations um I I would argue
00:44:27
they're prop like Microsoft and hollowland probably has some of the best I'm assuming best AR Technologies out
00:44:33
there because they've been working on it for so long you would think they did in
00:44:38
2017 yeah great assumption I mean they still updated it again later and there
00:44:44
is two there was talk of a three coming out but now that's obviously not happening just like the Surface
00:44:50
to0 three that either I think it was a part of the reason it was so Enterprise
00:44:56
focused is we they didn't have a good form factor for uh consumers you know
00:45:02
it's still there was still this big clunky it looks a lot like The Meta Quest Pro um or I keep thinking about uh
00:45:09
Magic leap which did you know there was a second magic leap that came out two years ago I found that out recently I
00:45:14
found that out looking up stuff in this yeah um but I think the main reason I wanted to bring this up is so they're
00:45:21
stop they've they've finished production of hollow lens 2 and they're not ramping it back up so any ones that are built now are the last available they will
00:45:28
have updates until December 2027 but with seeing Orion glasses and
00:45:34
meta Rayband glasses and I guess not Ray bands but like these new snap spectacles
00:45:39
do we think Microsoft is fully out of the AR game or do we think we're going to see something under a different name
00:45:46
that's focused on consumers I lean towards the second one me too I lean Enterprise every time with Microsoft you
00:45:53
think that's so fair but do you think it' be dumb for them to they said open AI what I'm sorry I I I was thinking
00:45:59
about something else do you think Microsoft is going to just stop ar oh
00:46:05
every few years Microsoft makes a new AR thing that they like use a bunch of oems
00:46:10
like Lenovo and Dell to create AR things for and then they make paint 3D and then
00:46:15
they disc continue paint 3D and I have no I have faith that they will make another consumer AR thing and I also
00:46:22
have faith that it will last a year and a half Fair yeah I think I go for it sorry
00:46:30
excel in VR no I I think yeah it's fair that Microsoft is very Enterprise Focus
00:46:35
that's probably where they'll continue to focus but uh I let me zoom out your
00:46:40
question a little bit actually I just watched Cleo Abrams interview with uh Mark Zuckerberg and one of the sort of
00:46:47
larger topics of that conversation was that like Zuck firmly believes that these AR glasses are the Next Generation
00:46:55
Computing platform like smartphone do we think that that's
00:47:00
possibly true I hope that's no because there's wearable AI devices now yo didn't that guy just say like two years
00:47:06
ago that normal VR headsets were like the next thing well that's cuz we didn't have the tech to do AR stuff and now
00:47:14
they're showing these prototypes and I I really want to try this this prototyp
00:47:20
but I when I think about this idea it feels possible because remember we did
00:47:25
this video about we have headsets we have Snapchat glasses and somewhere in the middle is this like VR experience
00:47:31
where the whole computer like fits in the glasses and you can just see things projected on your world and that's where
00:47:36
they're both racing from both directions the rayb bands and the and the Oculus
00:47:42
yeah and if you give that Tech the benefit of the doubt and just fast forward the tech in your head and let's say these glasses exist where you
00:47:48
actually have like some AR experience could you go without your smartphone in this world is that actually the next
00:47:54
thing or is this also in addition to your phone cuz I I have a hard time picturing so the Orion at least has a
00:47:59
separate compute Puck it does yeah um I I could see this being a thing I don't I
00:48:05
just don't want it to be a thing because I would prefer to know when people are not listening to me versus them just
00:48:12
wearing glasses like this like spacing and I just have no idea that they're like watching a Tik Tok like
00:48:19
that is the most distopian thing I've ever heard that's a very fair point yeah
00:48:25
which I mean it seems like we're going that way any at least if you can tell then it's not as bad yeah I I I agree
00:48:31
with you that I that's why I think they're going away from Hollow lens but
00:48:36
Microsoft doesn't put six years six or seven years into like AI AR technology
00:48:43
and research and development and I think not go a different route I think if they were staying with um Enterprise they
00:48:50
would keep the hollow's name because it's super popular but I don't I think there's no way they just ditch AR
00:48:55
together I feel like they're going to they have to release something new I think they will because AR is AR is like
00:49:03
is like high tide low tide right there's a time for it and then it has a nuclear
00:49:08
winter and then there's a time for it again is that how Tides works and then there's a yeah nukes make the ties go up
00:49:14
and down interesting yeah so yeah I don't know I think Microsoft will see it as an opportunity like oh oh maybe this
00:49:20
time is the time it's going to do be the thing my God right and then it doesn't work and then they're like well we're an
00:49:27
Enterprise company so uh we'll try to make it work for the Enterprise and they try to converse try to convince everyone
00:49:33
it's going to work for Enterprise and no one cares and then oh my God you're so right I just like when I was like in
00:49:38
elementary school I had a Logitech webcam that had AR features built in
00:49:43
like like very basic like oh you're a dinosaur you know what I mean and then it went away and then the Nintendo 3DS
00:49:49
came out and there was the AR cards and then no one cared again and then Snapchat filters came back yeah yeah
00:49:56
it's it's literally we're in the we're in high tide right now are we cosine or sign I don't know tangent did you guys
00:50:05
see what these two Harvard students did with the meta Rayband glasses yes
00:50:10
I bad so wait where's the button these these two students are you looking for
00:50:17
the bad no bad don't the CRI commit CRI no don't do that thank youit so these
00:50:23
two Harvard students took a pair of meta Rayband glasses and ESS found a way to like live do
00:50:30
people by essentially they take the glasses they run it to a live stream on
00:50:37
Instagram and then they have a computer setup that is scanning the Instagram live feed video facially recognizing
00:50:45
people like recognizing a face taking the face out of the video and then using
00:50:50
some sort of like AI to like reverse image search it through the web and then
00:50:55
send to your phone all the information it can find online about a face that it just
00:51:01
saw so it this video These two kids like going around like a Subway and
00:51:07
essentially like walking up to people and being like oh are you blah blah blah do you have this like shity um in this
00:51:14
country where you do stuff like this and the guy's like yes um and there's one
00:51:19
there's a video about it there's a video of them doing it to different people on like the subway they've never met they know like their names they know their
00:51:25
relatives names they know and it's all based information it'sing
00:51:31
of people online and just using the correct like different ways they trained
00:51:36
it to search through faces online um the one of the wildest ones is they're like on campus and they just go up to this
00:51:43
girl like eating lunch and like do you live it and she's like yes they're not
00:51:48
releasing any of this and the reason they said they made it is because they want to show that like we all talk about
00:51:55
this dystopian future of like facial recognition and cameras everywhere and so like that's not the future this is
00:52:02
totally capable right now which is kind of terrifying and but I going to say this just sounds like a proof of concept
00:52:08
it they it is a proof of we're just going to show that this thing exists already yes why why test it on
00:52:14
unsuspecting individuals whose months you just ruined I think they're just yeah I mean not wrong yeah I mean yeah
00:52:21
good point good point but I do think they're just like trying to show that like devices you can get off the shelf today can do pretty like weird stuff
00:52:29
like this that took a hard left turn from where I thought you were cuz I the way I pictured it you were like there
00:52:34
these Harvard students and they got these glasses and then you you can like relay the the footage from the glasses
00:52:40
anywhere and then using image recognition and I thought you were going to say like something like you know gemini or whatever could analyze the
00:52:46
buildings around you and like figure out where you are in space that's what the meta AI already does exactly which I
00:52:54
thought again like this is the every Tech has all this upside and then all this horrible downside that comes with
00:52:59
it which is like yeah it would be cool if like your superpowers is you can just look up at any building and it can just tell you where what building it is or
00:53:06
like tell you what landscape or what history projected onto your hand what building it was well probably not that
00:53:11
wouldn't work but something like uh yeah these AR glasses could tell you like what uh you're you're walking to find
00:53:18
your car and it tells you with a little arrow over like where you're parked or something goog glass yeah it could be actually like pretty cool and useful but
00:53:25
the Dark Side of this is this the sharp left turn you made which is oh it can also just tell you anything about the
00:53:31
people because of the facial recognition and the public databases about them etc etc so yeah like a cool superpower to
00:53:39
have would be to just look at someone and immediately know their name yeah exactly that's the that's the example
00:53:44
that's been used hundreds of times it's like what if you just like didn't have to remember this stuff and you could always know people's names but then when
00:53:52
I was a kid I was like that's incredible and now I'm like oh my God
00:53:57
the downside is sure I want anyone to know who I'm you know yeah it's like
00:54:03
it's funny though because they built this all with like nothing too far outside of the ordinary like they're
00:54:09
obviously super talented and they found a way for whatever program they built to watch the video recognize what a face is
00:54:16
pull a screenshot of that face and use that as an image search but all they did was like the very basic
00:54:23
things that are allowed in uh the Rayband glasses like Ray meta has a
00:54:29
privacy poity that says like respect people's preferences and urge you to clearly gesture your cap capturing video
00:54:35
or live streaming but like what does that mean like ple please tell people
00:54:41
you're streaming like I don't know there's so much bad that could come out of that in
00:54:48
the wrong hand no one no one's ever used a meta product to do anything bad before okay guys let's not get crazy yeah it's
00:54:55
not like uh cam analytica didn't really happen like like Mark Zuckerberg said I
00:55:00
was going to say not to get political but here we are uh not to get political but China has been doing this for like a
00:55:06
decade plus right you know like with like off theh shelf Parts this is the
00:55:11
argument that people are making about the Google image manipulation thing because it's the same thing it's people
00:55:18
are saying photoshop's been able to do that forever the thing is it's not about the ability to do it necessarily it's
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about the accessibility of it I think that's the whole point of these glasses it's like technically yeah you could set
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up your own security camera attached to your laptop that is constantly streaming and do the same thing the point is we
00:55:38
are like now buying things off the shelf that could be easily modified to be able
00:55:43
to do this that no one would be able to notice because you're everyone's wearing them I think that's the point that they
00:55:48
were trying to make yeah anyway we're closer than we think yeah and do you know what else starts with a t oh God
00:55:57
now I'm really I'm really bummed out S I wish I you know the story bummed me out so much I'm not going to hit the button
00:56:03
I'm just going to go no I'm just
00:56:09
kidding that's a hard love turn right there uh correction earlier this episode
00:56:14
I said that inside the TV CRT TV was a photon gun that was wrong actually an
00:56:19
electron gun this episode this episode I've been waiting for the chance to correct that cuz the words left my mouth
00:56:25
and I felt like big dummy idiot anyway David actually already ruined my trivia question
00:56:32
earlier this episode I had to write another one what was it uh it was about uh the hollow lens military contracts um
00:56:40
so thanks David appreciate that in Ellis's defense that was the answer not
00:56:45
the question Mill what kind of podcast Have We Become no no it's because uh they
00:56:52
canceled Hollow lens 2 but they specific or the earliest reports a developing Story the earli reports indicated they
00:56:58
did not cancel the military spec Hollow lens 2 which is called the it has a very
00:57:03
silly name it is called the integrated visual augmentation system and it looks
00:57:09
terrifying for war the for war the yeah anyway Hollow lens 2 has a trim
00:57:17
option which is called the Trimble xr10 the hollow lens 2 Trimble xr10 is a
00:57:23
normal Hol lens with what attach to it Trimble the Trimble
00:57:32
xr10 I have a guess it's wrong we'll find out what
00:57:37
that guess is tell you'll find out what that guess is at the very end like usual but we'll be right
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hied oh great start Andrew is did this
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last Sil Crystal film new camera control
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features on top of with the new iPhone 16 CA camera control button quick pop
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quiz okay quick pop quiz raise your hand in the room if you are using a 16th gen
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iPhone okay so just David keep your hand raised if youve used camera control more
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than once in the past two days besides to show people how it works besides to
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demo it to people and to open the camera app besides to demo it to people I use it to open the camera app okay every
01:00:51
time same okay could you not do that with the power button before you could do that with the action button with the swipe on the home screen with the lock
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screen shortcut you can do it a thousand different ways yeah but now you can also do I'm sensing button you guys don't
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like it very much it's not that I don't like it it's just it's not useful that much better than using the screen of the
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phone how dare you unfortunately yeah and it's more difficult in a lot of way
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I think one of the features cuz now you can control focus and exposure in HED I
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do think Focus controls on that in video would probably be nicer than having your
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finger over the screen I still don't think so I don't really think so CU tab on the side of the phone isn't big
01:01:34
enough I would rather use the enormous screen and only block part of it with my thumb cool next story okay I just okay
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we talked about this for uh another episode we'll have in the future that we did in the past but I really think that
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this button is too complicated it's too complicated David save it for the future
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all right that's our teaser for the future episode yeah that we shot in the past we'll talk about it in future well
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next segment and I'm going to open this up this is not an ad but it might feel like an ad it's a product that we got
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recently that I myself and a lot of people in the studio have been thoroughly
01:02:13
enjoying it's the new Linus Precision screwdriver have you guys you guys have
01:02:20
all played with this right I played with the spinny part okay yeah that's it what a bearing the
01:02:26
the LTT team sent us over a few of these and I can't believe how impressed I am
01:02:32
by how how much SP this little screwdriver I've never used it to screw anything in but as a fidget toy it is
01:02:39
impeccable it is they put a ball to explain to audio listeners it is a small
01:02:44
screwdriver very similar to the iFixit kit we will talk about that in a minute um small Precision screwdriver for
01:02:51
smaller you know Precision tasks Precision tasks that are unlike with the Reg regular line of screwdriver is which
01:02:57
I also use and I like a lot um but not normally in these small prisent
01:03:03
screwdrivers do you have a bit compartment for it when you pull up the top but what they did specifically that
01:03:08
is fantastic with this thing is they put a ball bearing in the little top that has their logo on it and this sucker
01:03:15
rips it does let it rip Andrew you hear that and it will do that
01:03:21
for about 3 minutes I think at least 60 seconds like yeah longer
01:03:26
really solid let's just all sit here and wait 60 seconds while this goes okay and he has it at an angle so it would
01:03:32
actually go longer if he had it straight up do that yeah cuz it's cuz it's the
01:03:37
bearing in it is trying to do that so yeah that's basically it that's
01:03:43
why we like the screwdriver still disagree this also I just want to say for every competition we've had in here
01:03:50
of who can spin it the longest I've won every time just saying really is that why you like it so much wait but Marquez
01:03:55
a Friz so he might be able to do it even harder I mean okay I'll just do a really quick breakdown of what this is for $30
01:04:02
you get oh it's $30 that's it screwdriver was it is $30 for just the
01:04:08
screwdriver oh with no bits the reason they did that is because from what I heard they match the bits with the iFix
01:04:15
it kit to like fit perfectly because they've already you know partnered with
01:04:20
I fix it a bunch just a hexagon right I'm buying one right now there is something
01:04:26
there's something very specific that they mentioned with how the bits fit whereas like some
01:04:31
screwdrivers measure the inside to the standard where they measure the opening
01:04:37
to The Standard where some the bits are measured to the standard so if you have one of one and one of the other it won't
01:04:42
fit because they'll be the same size one has to be bigger one has to be smaller and I think iFixit are a little
01:04:47
different so they actually match Theirs to fit with iFix it so if you have an iFix it kit already because a lot of LT
01:04:54
fans have an iix spor yeah they've been sponsored by you can for $30 buy this and it can replace your iix it
01:05:00
screwdriver because this does not spit any this is a great screw the only difference doesn't spin as well and it
01:05:07
doesn't have the compartment on the inside oh yeah they also did a great job with the compartment because it has this very nice mechanism to where it just
01:05:14
actuates and goes down it's never stuck halfway through you have the okay say
01:05:19
that again well if you have the iix a kit thing you you're just buying the new screwdriver for the me you're just buying and the fidget you can put them
01:05:26
in there but if you're like taking it somewhere you can put a couple inside keep your favorites it's like your
01:05:32
bookmarks if you only use five or six you can keep just basically that in your drawer if I were doing this I would
01:05:37
probably keep the standard ones that I use for like all my computer builds up here so I don't have to remember each
01:05:42
time because minuscule I don't believe so no it's not ratcheting non-ratcheting I'm almost I'm
01:05:49
a fanboy for the OG Linus tick tips screwdriver that's the one it is a really great screwdriver I have that one
01:05:56
that ratch it ratchets it has a little bit compartment it doesn't spin but it's pretty good yeah it does yeah uh a lot
01:06:04
of people also recommend an electric screwdriver on H there's a very specific
01:06:09
one all the keyboard people use Magic Stick I think or something so is this like somewhere in between like a drill
01:06:16
and a analog screwdriver wow stick wow stick is a very popular one in the
01:06:22
keyboard an analog screwdriver and but so $30 for the screwdriver $50
01:06:31
for the case with 60 bits in terms of comparisons to I fix it this kit from I
01:06:36
fix it with 64 bits is 64- bit 64bit is $40 but it does also come with arguably
01:06:43
the best tool in all of these which is the like 150 mm um bending it's good
01:06:50
forend this thing is awesome um but I think it's super well priced
01:06:56
uh the case is great the whole build quality is great lonus does a great job with all their stuff so um it's orange
01:07:02
it's orange well it's like a red paying an extra 10 bucks because it's like a creator that you like and you're
01:07:07
supporting them I think is a super Fair Creator tax if you want to say that but I'm sure this was not cheap ball bearing
01:07:14
too is nice the ball bearing is so nice I think there's different tops you can buy as well oh really anyways I'll end
01:07:19
it here cuz I'm just feel like I'm likeing so hard affiliate code is um yeah it's
01:07:29
great highly suggest it Ellis I'm sure will try it and I I think I want to like
01:07:35
we know a product is good when people come to our like middle table where we open things and like play with the new
01:07:41
product these have been spun by every member in this studio multiple times and
01:07:47
they've been stolen to desks um more often than I can count and you just hear people spinning them all day so great
01:07:54
job LTT team what happened to fidget spinner I'm going to buy a fidget spinner no buy buy this instead we have
01:07:59
three of them bring them back fidget spinner yeah they still sell them do you know what I saw interesting with a fidget spinner the other day there's
01:08:06
this really great um Creator Grace Wells she does like um product videography
01:08:14
like kind of like really good advertising stuff but she did it on Tik Tok where it' be like I would buy X from
01:08:19
you and then we'll do like a whole closeup macro kind of like our intros ads on like a CO
01:08:26
or like something like a wall outlet um and the way she does a lot of the spinning shots is she just puts it on
01:08:32
top of a fidget spinner and Spins it on a table like as is lazy Susan that's
01:08:38
smart I thought it was really smart because the ball bearing is so amazing in a fidget spinner anyway that's about
01:08:43
that's about it for this week we we've really run the gamut we should probably wrap it up though with this other thing that starts with the T tegram news
01:08:51
trivia oh [Music] telegram dude um they gave the data to
01:09:00
the cops that's the news Jesus the white no that's St cuz
01:09:07
everyone should do signal so hey quick update on the score Marquez
01:09:13
with 17 lag Andrew and David tied with 21 21 21 so question one Christian
01:09:22
selig maker of the Reddit Apollo app has a YouTube channel his last video was
01:09:28
about making a computer accessory one of which is in his room right now not the
01:09:34
one he made just like a version of that accessory what accessory did he build on
01:09:41
his YouTube channel quick question he made it from scratch he made it from scratch he did make it from scratch like
01:09:47
scratch scratch yeah like leg really yeah yeah it was awesome I thought you just said Tech
01:09:54
accessory yo I'm going to take this 90c break to go on a tangent cuz this has been on my mind for like a week now
01:09:59
about the wild Precision screwdriver made me think of it I was on Reddit as I go on sometimes don't really like that website but someone made a Reddit post
01:10:06
about buying a hammer for their concrete crew and they're like what do you think of this hammer and one of the comments
01:10:13
was literally bro this is the Ferrari of hammers and I looked it up and this
01:10:18
Hammer is in between $250 and $350 and everyone in the comments is like once you swing this Hammer you will know
01:10:26
what being God feels like so if anyone in the comments is a framer that has
01:10:31
ever used a stiletto stiletto trim Bone series Hammer if you know what it's like to swing that hammer let me know in the
01:10:38
comments I want to feel that boy am I curious you know what's funny is on the bonus episode when you brought your uh
01:10:45
keyboard when I didn't bring my keyboard when you didn't bring youro when you talked about your keyboard and you said so if anyone was thinking of buying the
01:10:50
corg sv70 32 keyboard that's not bad
01:10:56
273 was actually close uh there was a comment that was like bro nobody's thinking
01:11:03
about but like I said if you have swung a 10 14 or 15 oun trim bone Hammer made
01:11:11
by stiletto please let me know how it feels cuz I am curious you can only swing it if you're worthy flip it and
01:11:17
read what do you got okay I hope we're all right okay what you say we all said
01:11:24
keyboard I also Drew one correct how technically I was looking for mechanical
01:11:30
keyboard but you know I'll give it to you whatever well was a split orthol linear keyboard oh my God see this is why I'm just given it to you with Gator
01:11:37
on blues at 48 G activation [Laughter]
01:11:43
Point all right Gamers I got one right guys that's huge
01:11:50
turn this franchise around I think Adam initially said Tech access computer
01:11:56
access said computer accessory the second time that helps me a lot I I saw marquez's light bulb go up straight at
01:12:03
the keyboard on the because I was looking at computer accessories and I was like Andrew said it showed up on his recommended so
01:12:10
it's probably yeah yeah because I follow Christian you don't I just I know what you're ad I subscribed to him after this
01:12:17
actually I didn't I think I found it on Twitter and didn't know he had a YouTube channel we should just title this episode episode 253 Christian s we
01:12:24
should just put him in the thumbnail as one of the people all right question number two Hollow lens 2 has a trim
01:12:33
option called the Trimble xr10 which is a standard Hollow lens
01:12:39
too with what attached to it it's got to be it's like attached to it maybe it
01:12:46
would be more fair to say that the hollow lens 2 is attached to it but yeah they are attached and Inseparable a rail
01:12:52
gun that's what I
01:12:58
wrote another it is attached to it another another product that I think is like the god tier version of its class
01:13:06
is dude this is my favorite genre of product the best do you do you cook at home ever no not like god tier product
01:13:13
cook all right all right the Lampson brand spatulas if if you have never used a Lamson brand
01:13:20
spatula dude it's a $60 spatula it seems not is it plastic I have a killer pepper
01:13:26
grinder all right all right see some good answers Marquez I can't see yours so why don't you go first I wrote
01:13:33
battery no third chair no that's awesome you
01:13:39
connect the chair I'm imagining some chair that the hollow lens is attached to Elric chair no like Elric extra I
01:13:45
don't know like a 40 experience 4 I like it 40 I wrote field of view extender
01:13:52
what is that like okay so the hollow doesn't have a particularly wide field
01:13:58
of view it only has like a certain area and since it had XR in the name I was kind of thinking that had something to
01:14:04
do with like extended reality extended range or extended reality yes but no
01:14:09
unfortunately the correct answer yet no is a hard hat oh for construction sites
01:14:17
that's an accessory that was the xr10 that was the Trimble xr10 here I'll send you a picture of it right now an
01:14:22
official accessory not it's not an accessory it's a trim option if you go to if you go to microsoft.com hit Hollow
01:14:29
lens 2 the first one that comes up is Hol lens 2 the second one that comes up is hollow lens 2 industrial Edition
01:14:35
which is made for people who are clean suits and the third option is the Trimble xr10 with Hollow lens 2 so you
01:14:42
can buy wait is it built into the hard hat uh all the listings I could see made
01:14:48
it seem like that but perhaps it is just a specially sized one but it looks like it's part of the hard hat
01:14:54
likey techology here I'll send you the I'm on the page oh you're on the page
01:14:59
are you yeah these spatulas look Primo dude it's they full T I have the whole
01:15:05
page up the they're not sharp enough to like cut yourself on but they have a really sharp edge so when you're cooking
01:15:12
in a stainless or a cast iron you can get under something and pick all of that
01:15:17
up and leave all the fond it's like I think the like the best part about stuff like this in high quality kitchen
01:15:23
utensils is like going Full Tang and having the balance of like the handle and hand feel of all of it is cooking
01:15:30
feels different with a Lamson yeah and that was not sponsored either I just
01:15:35
love your my pepper mill is by unicorn Mills just saying it's fantastic it's like 60 bucks but it's not wooden yeah
01:15:42
you should have brought this on the podcast last week it's not wooden but so there are two different
01:15:48
types of waveform listeners one that love it when we go on tangents and some that hate it so trivia at this point I'm
01:15:55
sorry or you're welcome also the Trimble xr10 is made by Trimble take us UPS attached to it
01:16:03
thanks for listening uh this has been an exciting return to your regularly
01:16:09
scheduled uploads but of course we have much more for the rest of this year is 2024 you already know this is it's that
01:16:15
time of year it's lots of exciting stuff so stay tuned thanks for subscribing thanks for rating catch you guys in the next one peace wa for is produced by
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s fact in the wild robot children's movie that I saw um near the end near
01:16:49
the end of the movie The duckling that the robot has to raise like does one of those parag green falcon Dives and
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breaks through the robot chamber oh sick yeah
