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[Music] all right welcome back to another
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episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts i'm marquez and i'm andrew and today we got a bunch of interesting
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quirky things to talk about that have happened in the past week one of them would be the fastest charging we've ever
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seen one of them would be the fastest car we've ever seen and a bunch more stuff in between
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um also you might have noticed we've got a little bit of a new intro vibe the new music's feeling
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pretty good shout out to vayne still who's obviously extremely talented he's made videos he's made music in mkbhd videos before uh just
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leveling up covering the podcast too the guy is incredible yeah and a big shout out to cameron barlow who
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made the original music um i think we've told the story but he was one of the first people to ever send us music when
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we started wave form and everything we got sent after that was nowhere close to us good so we crushed it
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og waveform music we're uh taking a new chapter but big shout out to him because
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that was that was huge two years almost i think that was going so now so you've got you've got all you
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wrote here is andrew rant about pixel 4 xl i have no idea what you're ranting about but yeah the stage is
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just gonna like all right we all first of all let's the elephant out of the room i'm still using a pixel 4xl
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just because you work here doesn't mean you've got like literally that i mean marquez does but like we're all
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not reviewing the phones as much as marquez i'm using it i like it i like the phone it's been
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good i didn't love the pixel 5 but but it is out of all the phones i've
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had in my entire life it has caused me the most issues ever like hands down out of everything i've ever had okay um
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and right now i'm at the point where i can't use it unless it's plugged in
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and this kind of stems i think all from possibly the same issue but i'll i'll go
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back like a couple months ago to whatever i was not first had my like big issue with right not just software bugs you mean like problematic
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i don't believe it's software at all so the first thing that started happening was probably four or five months ago i
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noticed the back glass was like a little off on the top and i noticed it
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because i had a skin on the phone and i was like oh the skin just looks way too thick and i realized it was
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actually because the glass was starting to peel off and at first it didn't seem that bad it just looked like a little lip and i didn't
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think anything of it but fast forward maybe a month from there and that lip
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now has a gap in it so just the whole back glass on the phone is like completely peeling off and that was
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because of the battery swap i don't know what that was because of i have no reason i don't know exactly
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what it was but there was enough of a gap that i could see lint had gotten inside of the phone and inside of the camera
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lenses i can't think of any other reason for the back glass of the phone to literally rip out of the glue and come off the
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back of the phone i had seen some things um online of people having similar issues and
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some of their thoughts one was battery swelling um another thought was just potentially
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heat or something just making the adhesive like not good enough to where the adhesive is now just coming
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off and not keeping the glass on the phone anymore um because of that my solution to it was to
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put a drop of super glue on the top and then start using a case i haven't used the case in a while but
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i've been a case person mostly because of that because even with like the super glue if it if it fixed it
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i've pretty much lost confidently waterproofing the phone anymore right like there's no reason if
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that seal is broken don't get that anywhere near what yeah exactly so i i mean that in itself i've been much more
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careful with the phone so then maybe three months ago my next problem started where
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i was using my phone one day and it was at 50 and the battery my phone just turned off
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as i was using it i thought that was really strange um clearly it was at 50 i don't know what happened
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and i plug it in and i get this battery icon with a question mark on it and that never ever feels like a good
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sign a battery icon with a question mark yeah so like the black screen normally when you plug it in you
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get like a red battery icon for your phone being dead which it shouldn't have been because it said fifty percent but i got just a question mark battery
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safety shutoff is gonna yeah i guess i am still not 100 sure what it was but
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so my solution that night when it happened was okay i'm just going to plug it in and
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i'm going to leave it overnight and it's going to charge i was it was close to bedtime and i wasn't quite i didn't feel like
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finagling with it for that long um wake up the next morning and it still says i turn it on it says 50 i was like there
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is absolutely no way this could be physically plugged in the entire night and still be at 50
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battery and i don't know what i eventually did to fix it but it
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started working i eventually got it to the point where when i turned it off and plugged it in it had the red battery icon with a
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percentage so i knew it was at least charging which to me that was a step up because it hadn't been doing that before fast
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forward to the next time it happens a couple weeks later and i started researching a bit more what's going on people are saying that there's
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something wrong with the battery connection itself and that the battery is fine but the
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connection and the reporting to the phone is what's messing up so in that process
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one of the fixes which i can't believe i even tried because just reading it online seemed so dumb it was turn your phone on which it has
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to be plugged in to turn on turn your phone on turn bluetooth off i don't know what this part accomplishes but turn off bluetooth
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unplug your phone turn it off and then you an inch from the bottom and an inch to
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the right you press your thumb as hard as possible on the back of the phone and then you plug it in and it starts
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charging and it worked i didn't really question it i kind of
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was hoping it was a one-time thing but then it's about two weeks after that happened again i did the trick it worked
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i did the trick probably four or five times until last night finally same thing phone it's really weird when
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it does it too because like the phone starts stuttering a bunch and like feels like you're just like out of storage almost
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or like it's it feels like a really old phone and then just dies i feel like i understand your problem i feel like i get it if i had to guess
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uh this is it just started with your battery like having some sort of problem
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swelling up a little bit so the battery swells up right off the bat there should probably
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theoretically be some safety protocols in place when a phone detects that it's battery's having problems because nobody wants
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that bad pr of like yeah it just swelled up and exploded in my pocket so i'm guessing once that happened and
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separated your back the phone realized at some point battery's not okay
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and started limiting what it allows the battery to do if you realize the battery's having a problem
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don't allow that to charge to 100 don't allow that to get to zero don't let that battery discharge too
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fast so when your phone starts stuttering it's probably limiting the battery so much the voltage of the parts is also going down
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i bet if you replace just the battery of that phone everything is back to normal i agree
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with your solution but i don't think that's exactly what's happening and the reason i don't think it's
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limiting it to like charge 100 or like you're saying you think it's dying at 50 because it doesn't want it
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to go to zero right yeah i'm saying it's limiting what the battery is physically able to do for safety reasons
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i think the battery itself at least in the sense of it's still getting to 100 because i
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charged it to 100 plenty of times when it wasn't doing that and every time the couple times when it like uh at 50
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died and i got to fix like within a couple minutes did the trick and got it to turn on again yeah the
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battery is completely dead so i think it's losing some sort of connection and its default is
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just set it at fifty percent battery dead or did it just auto shut off for safety it it's dead because when i
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would plug it in and get it to work it was at red battery one percent battery so i think there's a problem with the
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uh the connection and the way it's reading the battery level and then probably being safe and
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shutting off or i don't even know it's definitely dying it's 100 dying because i'm getting one percent battery
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there's no way it's like yeah uh that would that's what the solution seems to be google will
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apparently uh rma it but when you're in a pinch i wanted it to
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work and i just kept doing the trick which is probably the best bad thing to do and now it keeps doing that so now i have to figure something
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out i would have bailed the second it started swelling the battery i still don't know if the battery's selling but i am 100 today after
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recording this going to open the phone up and see what's going on and there i'll post pictures on twitter or something like
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that yeah but i'm kind of excited to see what's in there well speaking of dangerous batteries
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segway we've got a story and it's really just a tweet but xiaomi tweeted um or actually ice
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universe tweeted this but it's a xiaomi video uh xiaomi released and when we say release that's in air quotes they've
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demonstrated this technical ability to do 200 watt wireless charging no wired
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sorry 200 watt wired charging and 120 wireless charging which again those are some crazy numbers
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but to put them in context uh samsung's fast charging right now is 25 watts
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okay wait really yes 25 watts um some of the fastest charging in any phones right now would be your 65 watt fast charging
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and oppo do 120 very bleeding edge highest end there may be a phone or two
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that supports 100 or 120 watt fast charging which is crazy fast wasn't
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uh the lenovo won that but you had you had to put two wires plug in both at once which is insane and
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beautiful for a video thumbnail yeah um this one 200 watt wired charging is uh i think they demonstrated on a
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4600 milliamp hour battery or something like that literally they plug it in and i'm i'm
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not even exaggerating within 45 seconds you've gotten 10 percent battery
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you can watch the battery percentage go up in 45 seconds to 10 percent the whole thing's done in 100 and eight
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minutes zero zero to 108 minutes now obviously cool all right great
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you've demonstrated this crazy ability to pump huge voltage through that wire and
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through that port and into that battery what's the catch which is like the
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xiaomi is not going to tell you the catches might catch on fire i think i honestly think they've probably
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mitigated the catching on fire part it's easy to make jokes about it's gonna explode and like it's never gonna work i just think the
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the discharge rate is gonna be just as fast like how long does that battery last yeah like overall lifetime overall
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lifetime and like how many charge cycles you can have but also in like daily use i think so do you
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think it affects i think it might affect the overall discharge time of the battery in day-to-day use if you can up charge
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that fast then you can output that same speed i don't know this for a fact i just know that there has to
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be a catch there's got to be it's got to be my initial thought would be the catch's battery life not like not day to day but
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just overall in general like yeah health great way but i also think what's crazy about this is
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120 watt wireless charging is now the fastest we've seen wired charging in
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wireless form yep instead i almost feel like when you reach down to pick it up you're gonna like feel the energy
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[Applause] like a little like force field of just like power around it like
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what happens this phone already gets i'm holding a oneplus 9 pro for audio listeners uh but you should you should check out
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the youtube version uh this phone when it wireless charges it gets warm yeah and i put it on this
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wireless charger and the oneplus wireless charger has fans in it so it's blowing those fans while it's charging quickly to keep the
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temperatures down because it knows that wireless charging just gives off a lot of heat it's not super efficient
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so when you pump that much water what's the wattage on the one plus um that's a good question was it
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probably 75 a little less than that i think uh 50 watt wireless charger okay
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so but it gets warm and like to the touch this is more than double that yeah i take the phone off the charger
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and i'm like wow this is this is kind of kind of toasty and i i wonder when you take that phone off of the 120
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wireless charger if you can just like immediately crack an egg and fry it on the back of that phone because
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that's something that's something else wasn't it uh it was like the htc ultra that mirror finish one where the press kit
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came with a white glove because of how many fingerprints i feel like this charger is going to come with a glove just or uh
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what are those fireplace tongs that you put the like the log in with yeah yeah this will be interesting
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xiaomi does this a lot and we don't necessarily get to see it happen in a phone like we might not have
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200 watt wired charging in a phone this year but it's cool that they're pushing that limit my question is
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are we going to get to a point where it doesn't matter how fast it charges anymore if every phone charges at 150 watts are
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we are we good do we do we stop never you keep going 300 watts
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400 watts when is it going what point do you just like tap it on something and you just have full battery again
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it's it's that weird i think the better version of this future of battery check is long
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range wireless charging so that you're almost always at 80 everywhere you go
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i think that's like in room wireless charging would be really cool yeah because then you don't have to worry about my phone battery is low let
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me go to a charger i think this plugging in in a wire will eventually be an
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old version of what we think of what charging used to be and now or not now in the future we
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won't really think about charging ever because we'll always be somewhere near this wireless charging happening
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now again the what's the catch question always comes up with that like is that safe if it's always radiating to our
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bodies is it going to be a problem will my phone get warm in my pocket as it's charging i don't i don't know all
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the answers here but i imagine with all the downsides of both of these versions i would rather
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have my phone always at eighty percent rather than going from zero to 102 seconds it
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just seems crazy i mean i would also just like a a better built battery where i can fit
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10 000 milliamp hours in the size of a phone that is right now i feel like at some point we're going to stop improving the charging tech and the
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batteries just have to improve as well but do you have a um a lowest speed you'll go or a highest
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speed like i don't really have goals for batteries anymore like i feel like they're good we work in a situation where battery
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charge is like almost never an issue like i rarely find situations where
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batteries that big of a deal i guess like if i were going camping or something or hiking and or a long day
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out or ultimate tournament which i don't do anymore but that's when it i would ever really push
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it but at this point i don't know yeah i never really get towards the end unless it says 50
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and it's not really and then just does so yeah i just i'm imagining xiaomi going oh we did it again now we
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have 300 wireless wired charging and it goes zero to a hundred percent in six minutes flat
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great it sounds like it sounds like it's more of a headline for a while until uh then it won't be
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kind of like uh why can't i remember dxomark oh dxomark
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great headline dixon it doesn't really matter anymore batteries start doing battery charging
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ratings until you get over that actually sounds way more interesting than what they're actually doing
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why i would just like to see if they could scientifically just test how it's affecting battery health
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and how fast it's actually charging and then how it's charging at different percentages and stuff like that and give
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it a an overall score it's a much less subjective rating system also because like
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the biggest complaint with dxomark is that it's like pretty subjective to what they think is a good photo and right
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it's scientifically driven based on their subjective viewpoint so battery can't really be yeah either
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last sword doesn't yeah i think this video literally i mean you can you can plot out on a chart the zero
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to 100 percent battery which is like it goes real fast at the beginning like
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i said 10 in 45 seconds and then evens out and you're done in eight minutes and i just i can't imagine much faster
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than that being particularly useful but great i'm glad xiaomi's getting there maybe put it in a phone
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uh speaking of zero to 100 real quick i'm on a roll um rimac concept 2
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which has now been renamed to the rimac nevera the vera so the concept ii uh started
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making a little bit of press runs they've been they've been working on this car for a long time for those unfamiliar the rimac concept 2
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or the rimac navera we we did a video on the concept one which is a million and a half dollar tiny supercar you know mega hyper car
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that's fully electric very tiny very electric very fast they are made they only made
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like eight of them they're making a larger run of these but they're gonna be 1900 horsepower massive power
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four motors one at each wheel and these are going to be hyper cars and uh they've been calling it the
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concept too and they're starting to like get to finishing development on it and they've been saying like oh we're at 85
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power we're at 90 power we're almost done um i saw a car wow video where they now
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have done a drag race with the the navera and the ferrari sf90
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and again i just want to give context because the sf 90 it's not a million dollar hyper car but that's just about as fast as a as a car gets
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today um we are looking at the fastest ever production quarter mile times of like any street
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car ever made and i think it's like top three of all time it gets 0 to 60 in like 2.3 seconds
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it gets to the quarter mile in well under 10 seconds uh it beats the mclaren 765 lt off the
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line it's like a half million car it's incredible um this car makes it look like a toy
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it literally blows past it and the the crazy part is like the sf90 is a
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hybrid it's got this great launch and then it combines the electric motors with gas power this this navera did not have a problem
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with it so if you watch that video it does 0 to 60 in 1.85
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seconds oh my god i mean we're getting to the point where production cars now have to be we have
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to look at the hundredth of a second to like kind of really differentiate now because roadster is claiming 1.9 right
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so 1.85 it clearly wants the headline over roadster which also how long until roadster gets a software
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update and they're trying to beat that the thing about that time is you are basically approaching the limits
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of traction with rubber tires so when you say 1.9 versus 1.85 it's like on a perfect prepped surface with the
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exact right battery and the perfect launch that's as fast as you can go with motors
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wait quick question with electric is there such thing as like a non-perfect launch yeah and you just don't have good
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traction like a bad circumstance okay you're saying pure grip not actually like people go to a prepped drag strip with sticky tires
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and a sticky like launch environment and they can maximize traction almost artificially because the streets
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aren't like that and they will get 1.9 seconds but on the street it's never going to be that fast you're always
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hunting for traction on street surfaces the point is um it's not going to get much faster
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than this with with uh with just tires so i think roadster is using some tricks
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well what's funny about that is and what i think is funny about one of the things i read about this is because of how fast that is and
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because of how powerful that is there they have this like driving ai and like a built-in driving coach that inside the car
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teaches you how to properly handle the car because it assumes people just straight up cannot handle that and it's
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a it's coming at 2.4 million dollars and only 150 made so so it's like don't mess it up you
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need to teach someone how to drive this you know when gender did that uh fighter pilot like ride-along they had
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like a two-seater basically remember they had like a two-seater uh jet that you get to ride along and you have to
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learn to like contract your leg muscles to keep the blood above your heart and like breathe a certain way to stay not
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blacking out like if you need to give lessons to people you probably shouldn't be selling it
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i mean there's only 150 of these but like we kind of had this conversation like let's assume
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we get to the technology where tires can handle it and these can go faster at what point does the human driving it
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become the limiter of how fast i know i know there's got to be an actual answer to this right there's got to be some
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physicists out there that can it would just be how many g's you can handle right like how before you just pass out
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they were saying uh the zero to 16 1.1 with the spacex roadster with the with
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the like cool rocket thrusters on the back is like two and a half g's
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and it's fine because it's two and a half lateral g's so if you just get kicked in the back
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and you just just get shoved forward at two and a half g's you'll you won't black out but you'll really feel it
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but humans don't really go too far past two and a half g's like on a regular basis
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ever at what point does the 0-60 still count if it self-drives the passed out human in the
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driver's seat past 60 gets the time and then someone has to like give cpr to if you win the race you win the race i
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bet that would still hit a headline okay i think we i think we covered everything yeah
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i mean i'll just i'll toss in there uh top speed 258 miles an hour 20 kilowatt hour battery pack is that
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right that's what i pulled from the article that doesn't seem right also it just looks
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really nice wait 200 kilowatt hour battery pack or did i just i hope it's 200 because 20
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would you'd empty that in one drag race 120 kilowatt hour battery pack okay oh i
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missed the one that'll that'll do it 120 i mean the the current top of the range stuff
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that that number still means not much to me because i haven't experienced living with an electric car
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so that that's just total size of battery pack i just don't know what is a uh yeah i mean so the the older teslas
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that were 75 d were a 75 kilowatt hour battery pack then they had the 80d the 85 plus that was always the number
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of the kilowatt hours so then they had p100d whereas i do understand that i just always okay yeah 100 is like the standard right
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now but the future stuff will be over that i have i can't get a concept of how big this car is it does look bigger than the
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other one but the other one was like under your waist tiny and then lengthwise this looks like
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much longer and much more similar to i mean maybe what we assume roadster is going to be like
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it looks really good too yeah from the one time i saw roadster in person it's not a small car i mean
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it's a low car but it is like aventador big like it's still got some length to it uh this to me
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looks somewhere in between or what about like original roadster original roadster is
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tinier it's much smaller okay yeah so it's it's gonna be a it's gonna be a like
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huracan plus this one for context yeah i think so but either way i'll probably never drive
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it i mean if if if rimac wants to get one out here to the studio didn't he like
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tweet at you or something he did want us to get our hands on one and i would happily do a whole autofocus
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video with it living with it there's only 150 customers that can even care about something like this but i
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would have to i would assume at best at best he'd give it to you on like a track or something i would do that
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but yeah that sounds awesome that sounds fun sick all right speaking of electric things moving fast
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tesla is constantly changing their cars constantly changing their cars this is something we've talked about in tesla
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videos in the past i made a video about how you can look at it multiple ways but tesla doesn't have
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model year numbers it's so traditional to just have a 2020 2021 2022 and every single car you get
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from that model year is based on the same thing plus options yeah tesla doesn't do that they will refresh the tech when it's
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ready and they are constantly rolling out micro adjustments to software and hardware tweaking things
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adding ventilated seats changing the head rests lumbar support random things will just change in the car and you just kind of get the car
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based on when you bought it um and it seems like the way people generally find out about a lot of these
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small ones is through forms like reddit or twitter or something like that where they're like
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no there's like in there okay there's three ways i would say that people find out about the changes to the cars one is and none of them are through
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tesla yeah like sharing it themselves uh one will be elon will respond to a customer about something on
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twitter like hey my car has this harness did you what is this new and it'll go yeah all the cars produced
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after november 2020 have this new thing uh two will just be yeah like a subreddit post or somebody spying a car
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somewhere that has a new feature on it or there's a lot of people who take delivery realize something's different and then
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it's people confirming that with their new deliveries and then they use the vin number to to kind of when it works if yeah if
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your car will have it based on exactly so you know once in a while the configurator changes and you see a
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substantial difference but a lot of times this stuff is just kind of quietly happening so the latest one is like it was a just
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the right combination of changes to make a nice headline where tesla's prices went up a little bit and then they removed like one or two
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features which is awesome price fluctuations something we're used to as well with them all the time hitting two of
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those like you said perfect storm price goes up something gets removed
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big old headlights yeah uh this one was a little more interesting uh that they're getting rid
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of radar in their cars and i thought this was more than just like a micro adjustment
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this is actually sort of future looking as far as their reading the headline as someone who doesn't know
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is specifically what radar does or own a tesla it feels like a huge huge headline it's
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really interesting getting rid of radar um yeah i didn't know much about it so i quickly just like googled it and
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the tesla subreddit is pretty pretty awesome just like a bunch of people owners going back and forth about it i
00:26:54
usually like to read that before i read some articles and top comment was uh let's see it's
00:27:00
because their current radar is beyond useless for anything other than acc which i also don't know what that means
00:27:06
active cruise control okay um it says radars from 2010 has major issues distinguishing stopped
00:27:11
objects has a very only forward and low field of view low resolution and
00:27:18
low resolution and range and can can't classify objects and then it also in the like rain and
00:27:25
snow has a hard time yeah okay i have some thoughts on this okay um and they're a little bit mixed
00:27:32
because i understand the vision that's a pun um tesla is moving mostly
00:27:37
entirely in the future towards a hundred percent vision-based autopilot which means they
00:27:44
will only use the cameras on the car for sensing what's around the car and steering and driving
00:27:50
reading signs seeing cars recognizing objects on the road all that will happen through the cars
00:27:55
cameras on the front cameras on the side cameras on the back um and this is something that's been like a
00:28:01
sticking point in like different uh company's strategies for autopilot so waymo for example will use
00:28:06
high-resolution maps and sensors on the car we did that ride in las vegas
00:28:11
where we rode around in a taxi that was entirely you know driverless yeah nx and that was
00:28:18
using high resolution maps and it was a cool demo but if you ask elon about it he would say that's useful
00:28:24
in that one high resolution mapped area but it's not broadly applicable for the entire globe
00:28:30
you can't high resolution map the whole world if you just want to go down a trail somewhere just have your car drive you
00:28:36
to the grocery store it has to work everywhere so their tesla strategy has always been
00:28:41
we're going to use all the sensors on the car and just look at what's around and and map our way through whatever
00:28:46
situation we're in and the car will be smart enough to understand it now going vision only and removing radar
00:28:53
seems smart because it should be able to use visual cues to identify everything and like they mentioned radar can't
00:28:59
identify stop signs radar can't really tell what's a car and what's a truck that's all happening from the cameras
00:29:05
but i found radar to be a useful extra sensor for a couple small things one is that
00:29:12
low field of view has notoriously bounced underneath the car in front of me to see
00:29:18
the car in front of the car in front of me and show that car on the map so if that car breaks my car
00:29:24
already knows before the car in front of me breaks it's gonna start to get ready to break just in case like
00:29:29
it's got a better vision in inclement weather this is something uh i guess it's a
00:29:35
little controversial but like cameras can get frosted you know ice over them cameras can have a hard time
00:29:40
in the snow and radar doesn't have nearly as much of a problem with rain and snow
00:29:46
um it's still you know very rudimentary and low resolution at seeing the car in front of you in the car next to you but
00:29:51
at least it's seeing something where a camera might miss it so i always felt like radar assisted vision was
00:29:58
pretty much the right move it's a good combo but now tesla's shipping model 3s and
00:30:04
model-wise with no radar sensors at all just the cameras and because they're making this switch
00:30:11
all of these new cars people are getting have slightly reduced autopilot functionality just for safety they're
00:30:16
you know only going up to a certain speed and they're obviously not working as well as the cars with radar and they're planning on with software over
00:30:22
time catching back up to the cars with radar it's just a tech thing that tesla does sometimes where they make a change and
00:30:28
some of the cars are different from the ones on the road um but i find it interesting i'm curious
00:30:33
if it's going to catch up to radar assisted vision because i always felt like radar assisted vision was
00:30:39
great um there's a couple i read the whole reddit thread
00:30:44
of like owners talking about this and there's a couple things people were thinking one is kind of like what you're saying they you
00:30:50
know despite maybe it being an outdated specific radar that they're using they did appreciate the redundancy
00:30:56
and something that yeah you know it's ultimately driving your car and could be your life if if uh it comes to that so like we like
00:31:04
redundancy in that for sure there are also a lot of people who think and i forget exactly why but
00:31:12
there's some people who think that they're going to eventually upgrade the type of radar system that they're using
00:31:19
and in the future could potentially be another radar system just getting rid of the one they
00:31:24
currently have now but did elon make like an announcement that they're switching to only that or is that just an assumption
00:31:31
because of the lack of this radar no they they've made it clear that they they want to go vision only okay yeah
00:31:37
then that seems so it's unfounded yeah yeah i don't know i i'm curious if it's actually gonna
00:31:42
work basically uh i've learned not to bet against the eventual inevitable future of what they're
00:31:48
working on but uh i i didn't see any good reason why that redundancy isn't a good thing
00:31:56
it's like to you can bet against or not bet against the eventual future but that doesn't mean there won't be
00:32:01
hiccups and some bumps along the way in that process i think that's like the best way of describing tesla like they've made it to
00:32:08
where they want to there are certainly a couple hiccups along the way though yeah i could see that with this the road to
00:32:14
the future was never smoothly paved now you don't even have radar to tell if
00:32:19
it's smoothly painful um one other thing you kind of mentioned it briefly but another
00:32:25
kind of headline which i thought was kind of ridiculous was it looks like people are finding out their new model wise do not have lumbar
00:32:32
support in the passenger side and for anyone who is upset with this
00:32:37
headline my first question i want to ask you is have you ever gotten into somebody's car
00:32:43
in the passenger seat and adjusted the lumbar support because i have never ever done that that's a good
00:32:48
point i don't think i've ever adjusted the lumbar support as a passenger in a car but also is it losing
00:32:54
adjustable lumbar support or is it just losing losing adjustable lumbar support i guess i don't know if
00:33:01
i honestly don't think most people can tell if he has lumbar support or not maybe i'm being naive i think i've never
00:33:07
changed it in my driver's seat i think we're being ageist ages i think we're being too young here
00:33:13
as a i've got a pretty awful back as a as a person who has started to have occasional back
00:33:20
things i i feel like i care about the lumbar support but i'm the driver so i don't really mess with it too much when i'm not the
00:33:26
driver but uh i guess does every seat had necessary like every seat has some sort of lumbar support
00:33:32
right like i guess tesla's not exactly known for the like high quality of their seats there was
00:33:38
that whole like chevy these are chevy spark seats blah blah blah i'm assuming it's not that anymore but
00:33:44
i guess losing it i don't know i've had four knee surgeries my back is terrible like for being 30 my back is
00:33:51
way worse than have you ridden on the passenger side of my car yeah it's fine i have no issues with it i mean maybe on a long trip i would be
00:33:58
less comfortable than maybe some other seats but like nothing about it we drove to boston that one day and oh yeah i was totally fine i
00:34:04
was passenger seat the whole ride all right i certainly didn't adjust it i can tell you that from what i hear model 3 and model y's
00:34:11
seats are much better than model s much better than my seats so if it's even better
00:34:17
i'm not complaining too much i get that it's a removed feature and it's a nice headline but i understand that people don't like
00:34:23
seeing this is more expensive and has less things but i don't feel like lumbar supports the hilda dion for that
00:34:29
all right here's a question do you think so we know tesla doesn't do yearly updates with their cars do you think
00:34:35
this new crop of electric cars and new companies coming out will follow in the same footsteps
00:34:41
and also not do model years is that the future of cars no more model years or will they all eventually fall
00:34:47
into a 20 21 22 thing so my thought on that kind of if i can talk about f-150 for
00:34:55
like i know we've talked about it a lot but i think it kind of has to do with the market they're targeting right now
00:35:01
ford's when we talked to the guy from ford who brought the f-150 who is absolutely fascinating by the way just
00:35:07
hearing all the stuff they went through being a like a legacy car manufacturer who's now diving into the ev world
00:35:13
their huge goal and like a big reason they did that thousand pound epa mileage was like they don't want
00:35:20
anyone coming to ev and being disappointed with it so i think if you are affording the f-150 you have to do yearly updates
00:35:28
because that's what people are used to and people who are buying cars in that market pickups specifically are used to that if you're
00:35:35
rivian who clearly doesn't have a market already i think you can go the tesla route and
00:35:41
do that ultimately maybe this is just because we're used to it i would like to see some sort of a
00:35:47
yearly update just because it's easier to keep track of things and keep track of features and additions and subtractions
00:35:53
yeah i don't think it needs it i think it's fine everyone with tesla has made do it almost turns into a game with
00:35:58
this whole like my vin number doesn't have lumbar support like i think it's kind of funny maybe not as the owner of the car but
00:36:05
as an outsider it's kind of funny as someone who has bitten in the past i'm like please make it more predictable
00:36:10
i think it would be interesting i was going to say it's interesting point i was thinking it's just going to be about the company
00:36:16
making it if it's an old company they're going to be stuck in tradition and they're just going to keep doing model years like ford
00:36:21
but if it's a new company then they don't care at all about that but i do think if you are a
00:36:29
even a rivian for for that matter or porsche you want to make things simple and easy
00:36:35
to understand you do want to make some sort of yearly or like well understood updates so
00:36:41
people can know exactly what they're buying at any given time and tesla seems to be the only company that's actually gotten away from that
00:36:48
successfully ever so like them getting there are a lot of traditions in car manufacturing and car selling that i
00:36:55
despise yearly updates is not one of them i i think it's it's just easier marketing it's easier
00:37:01
for people to understand i mean even just the used car market can get kind of confusing when you like
00:37:06
you maybe you see the new rav4 and you're like oh i want to go get a used one this is listed as a 2012 and you see
00:37:13
it's a totally different model like it's much easier to keep track with that yeah um there are what i love that tesla does
00:37:20
differently is like dealerships i wish we would get rid of those but yearly updates i think is you're not
00:37:26
losing much by uh continuing to do them yeah i guess cars are such a large complex thing like
00:37:33
even in tech like you have yearly updates for everything like you have the 2021 ipad and you have
00:37:38
the galaxy s 21 and the s22 will be next year and you just you have like these yearly updates so
00:37:44
when you want to go back and and analyze the old ones or maybe buy a used one you can go let me see the model year from yes this
00:37:50
is the year they did that with the screen like you always know by the model year so i hear people talk about older cars
00:37:55
like oh if you're getting an f-150 like avoid the 2007 to the 2013 they did this weird
00:38:00
thing with the engine like they just know that that's what happened but if you're trying to do that with tesla or if you ever look at trying to buy a used
00:38:07
tesla it is kind of a mystery other than the basic specs what you're going to get will you
00:38:12
get ventilated seats i don't know we're still pretty new into the like used tesla market right i mean
00:38:18
i know they've been around for like 10 years at this point but still it's pretty common to buy a 10 year old car
00:38:24
and use because especially if it's a lease or like a rental that's then getting sold used they're usually perfectly fine if they
00:38:30
have 50 000 miles on it yeah so tesla it's really cool because in theory
00:38:36
batteries last longer than typical gas engines so then you should be able to sell teslas
00:38:41
on the used marketplace for longer and longer and they should hold more and more value but if you it's so much harder to market
00:38:47
that used car because because it's a piece of tech yeah yeah it's a piece of tech and because it doesn't have yearly updates
00:38:54
yours you could say a 2015 tesla model s but if they made a change somewhere in
00:39:00
2015 that could be too completely different which they did they made a huge change in 2016. i didn't mean to hit uh it's striking
00:39:07
yeah will you have autopilot or not i think so maybe i don't know yeah no that'll be
00:39:12
it'll be interesting to follow i i kind of feel like yeah tesla gets away with being the exception to the rule for
00:39:17
so many things but i also do like that they break and and really don't adhere to so many of those traditions of
00:39:23
the older car industry i don't mind not having dealerships totally fine with me please please please please everyone
00:39:29
don't they have to though to sell cars in texas people have to go like outside of texas to buy the cars
00:39:34
because of like some dealership law i don't want to get too deep into it but that's another ancient piece of legislation that has
00:39:42
been applied to dealerships and happens to be awful for tesla but hey yeah that's just that's just the way
00:39:48
it is in 2021 all right speaking of not knowing what you're going to get from tesla we've got a headline from electric you
00:39:56
like that segway right yeah you've been pretty on today i've been on my money destroyed mine last week but this is
00:40:01
good i'll let you i'll let you have these this is good so uh there's a it's really just a trademark
00:40:07
filing is all we have but the concept is really interesting so apparently back in 2018 elon musk said
00:40:13
that tesla plans to open quote old-school drive-in roller skates and rock restaurants
00:40:19
at one of the new tesla superchargers near la um this is kind of like a really is he
00:40:26
joking or is that like actually like a plan that he has to do and then tesla actually did file for the trademark for
00:40:33
i guess a sort of burger joint type thing where they could eventually oh tesla trademark
00:40:39
registration is intended to cover the categories of restaurant services pop-up restaurant services self-service restaurant services and
00:40:46
take out restaurant services so now the natural idea is well every time you're supercharging you probably
00:40:51
want to grab some food that's like probably the number one activity people do when charging for a while i would say
00:40:57
that's the best way to sell supercharging to somebody who's so like when we travel when we travel
00:41:03
pretty far in your car though the one main thing is you have to stop the charge at some point and most people don't like
00:41:09
the biggest argument between gas is gas takes two minutes to fill up charging can take like 20 minutes to not
00:41:15
fill up but you know get you far enough to where you go every time we would stop we would plan it specifically
00:41:20
to eat in that time and by the time we would eat it would be plenty of time to do that so it doesn't even really feel like you're
00:41:26
charging or making that stop so if you add a restaurant or food to all of this it makes perfect sense because then
00:41:33
as long as you keep your road trip planned out accordingly and there's good food there it almost won't feel like you're
00:41:39
refueling yeah it feels like it also feels like a smart business decision if you're tesla
00:41:45
right now you're you're investing all this money in building superchargers right so naturally you're trying to be smart
00:41:51
about where you put the superchargers people are going to want to stop at rest stops
00:41:56
malls uh like obviously restaurants and things like that where it's easy to take a break and have a
00:42:03
bite to eat so business 101 is why not make money from that too like if you can
00:42:10
open it if you can build your own rest stop and have tesla superchargers and a tesla merch shop and
00:42:16
burgers and like a whole bunch of the most common activities for 20 minutes while charging
00:42:21
that's a good investment because you make your money back from it um so i could see that being like a
00:42:27
casual thing they start to do an experiment with i think they just follow the trademark just to be safe like that's just the thing companies do
00:42:34
but i don't know if they have plans for like people rollerblading out of you know a door with a burger on a platter or
00:42:39
whatever but it's kind of just kind of a fun idea i think it makes sense so like business-wise that just makes sense
00:42:45
you weirdly hit a weird gripe i have with not anything tesla related but about
00:42:50
road tripping it makes me furious when i'm on like going for a long trip and we're
00:42:56
trying to find somewhere to eat and in google maps we type in restaurants or type in a place we want to stop at
00:43:02
click it and it brings me to a mall it makes me so angry like i've been
00:43:08
driving four hours all i want to do is grab something to eat and now you took me 10 minutes out of my way to be at a
00:43:13
mall where i either have to park the car walk all the way inside the mall sit down and get something to eat or i guess
00:43:18
get it to go but like just differentiate that which makes perfect sense for this now
00:43:24
though because if a tesla supercharger is at a mall and now out in that back parking lot where the charger is has something you can grab to eat makes
00:43:32
way more sense although with 20 minutes you probably could run into the mall but
00:43:37
google maps please i just want that one feature so bad just this is bringing me to a mall there's a thing in
00:43:42
um in tesla superchargers too so i was driving up to practice which is above new york near connecticut
00:43:49
and i was a little bit early so i was like oh let me just you know stop at one of the nearby superchargers and charge up for a little bit just because i have
00:43:55
time and so i just picked the one on the map that was closest to it and drove to it and it was
00:44:01
like in the bottom of a parking garage that was like underneath the but it was like just
00:44:06
tucked away like hard to find and annoying and i wish there was some sort of indicator on the map of like this one's in a parking lot this
00:44:12
one is in a paid parking garage in a mall like those are that should be
00:44:18
different on the map because i really don't feel like doing that although some of them uh some of the parking garages if you are only
00:44:24
there for 20 minutes they don't charge you luckily which is good but yeah that was uh
00:44:30
that was kind of fun to see but yeah no i i think that uh that like restaurant and just take just
00:44:36
the the overall like vertical integration of like okay tesla owns the property tesla owns the chargers tesla will
00:44:42
probably have solar panels because they want to do a renewable energy at all the chargers tesla will make that energy tesla will
00:44:48
sell you food while you're there and probably merch and probably other stuff too and they just own the entire pipeline
00:44:53
that's what a good multi-billion dollar company probably looks like in the future
00:44:58
as far as like autonomy and charging on the go and one of those things specifically stood out where it says
00:45:04
self-service restaurant so like it even doesn't need to be a full-blown diner restaurant
00:45:10
kind of burger joint or even something like that if it's just like a pretty easy like similar to like those new amazon
00:45:16
shops out west where it's like you walk in and there's not even someone working there you're just like or there's people restocking but you
00:45:22
grab it and it it tells what you took and then as you walk out it charges you for it there's not even a cash here
00:45:28
so it's good yet i mean no but we're talking about the future here like this is just a trademark we've got a while to
00:45:34
go true because i was thinking about being out of the question i was like what is a self-serve restaurant i can't think of like what that is but i guess
00:45:41
you know the whole foods of the future where you just walk in grab the thing and walk out and it
00:45:46
charges you is the idea yeah i mean i would probably prefer it to be
00:45:52
people there cooking and it's like fresher food but it could also just be something simpler wraps sandwiches
00:45:58
pre-made stuff you stock it up in the morning because like you also have to think about this makes great sense but you have to
00:46:04
have a high enough profit margin for the people who are not working there all the time and what are the hours going to be is it
00:46:10
going to be 24 24 7 there's a lot of questions and we're still just at the trademark but
00:46:17
yeah i think it could be really cool yeah wild speculation on a trademark is my favorite oh yeah that's what this
00:46:22
podcast is all about yeah speaking of wild speculation oh man i'm crushing
00:46:27
i'm crushing is this a speculation segways yeah because this is a rumor okay okay speaking of speaking of wild
00:46:33
speculation uh we've got a huawei p50 rumor slash image slash leak
00:46:41
from ice universe i just like i just opened it and the top comment is huge just saying
00:46:46
lol in all caps it is a it is an image i'm just going to paint a
00:46:51
visual picture for you so imagine the back of the phone right on the back of the phone
00:46:56
somewhere in the top left you have your camera bump now i want you to look at the back of
00:47:02
your phone and divide it into quadrants i have a really good way to describe
00:47:07
this i feel like i'm just going gonna say if you can picture the the back of your phone into quadrants top left top right
00:47:14
bottom left bottom right picture the entire top left
00:47:19
binoculars two huge circles looking at you
00:47:24
this looks almost looks like to me um do you know how john rettinger does those thumbnails where he's focusing on cameras on smartphones where
00:47:30
it's the smartphone back and he he dislocates basically the camera bump and zooms it up
00:47:36
this looks like uh maybe like the iphone 10s which had the vertical two camera and
00:47:42
then john renders zooming it out and just slapping it back on the back of the phone but it's weird because it's it's got
00:47:49
three cameras inside the top circle yes and then another camera and a flash inside the bottom
00:47:55
circle i assume the bottom one is like a large like periscope lens or some sort of large mod
00:48:01
like that sharp phone that's probably that's rumored yeah you know that one with this just like one
00:48:06
giant camera yeah so the fact that it's in a larger circle is purely aesthetic and they're just
00:48:12
leaning into this circular aesthetic and so it just looks like binoculars on the back i think the best way to describe it
00:48:17
is imagine a vertical camera system that's gigantic and then there's cameras that's just the bump the cameras
00:48:24
are inside what you thought were the cameras because when i first saw this from the corner of my eye on your screen
00:48:29
i thought i just had two gigantic cameras on the back that would be and i don't know if that would be better
00:48:34
or worse i don't think the phone is going to be bad i don't think a phone is thick enough for cameras to be that actually huge
00:48:40
i think this is just an aesthetic yeah yeah it's just a look it's a look it's a look man this is
00:48:47
actually the way the p50 looks be prepared for the memes because you know some companies do things for the memes
00:48:52
it looks like wally that's another good one oh if you just scroll down the comments yeah the comments are great there's more stovetop ones like
00:48:58
i highly recommend you scroll down and look at the memes we'll
00:49:04
same energy so turntables oh my god this is great sonic microwaves
00:49:11
it's good i don't know it's dead mouse ears interesting i haven't said mouse years that would be i feel like you could skin some cool
00:49:16
things on this and use use that as inspiration on on top of it but like yeah it's just a weird look i don't know
00:49:24
it also has a flash in between them
00:49:32
it's great it's so i don't really get it i mean the the focus of the thing is the
00:49:37
focus of so many of these new smartphones coming out is just the the cameras and the differentiation
00:49:43
of the cameras and we already know xiaomi huawei they're not afraid of a big camera bump
00:49:49
like they're not afraid of going absolutely nuts with how crazy the cameras look on the back of the phone
00:49:54
whether or not their cameras are actually the best in the business debatable but they're not afraid to have a creative camera ball i still think
00:50:01
if you're going crazy camera bump you go horizontal and you go as high up as possible so when it leans
00:50:06
on the phone it's almost like a wedge like i kind of imagine the pixel six rumors which you know has that big like
00:50:12
daft punk looking horizontal if that continued up to the top or was closer to the top edge i think that would be like
00:50:18
perfect but this is just kind of crazy wobble yeah and it's gonna wobble a lot yeah speaking of wobble no just kidding i'm
00:50:24
fresh out i'm fresh out of segways but i'm fresh out of topics we've talked about a lot of stuff so far
00:50:31
but honestly uh i think it was worth it you actually wound up segueing the end of the
00:50:37
yeah fresh out of segways like fresh air topics i think that was the best one of the episode
00:50:42
let's go i crushed today's segways a plus feel free to let me know how i
00:50:47
did in the comments but i'm pretty sure i crashed um anyway that's about it for uh this week
00:50:53
we'll be back shortly of course we've got a lot more to talk about and wwdc is next week speaking of wwdc
00:51:00
we're gonna have a discord stage event next week that's the plan we're gonna have uh
00:51:06
right now wwdc is going to happen and then we're going to talk about wwdc probably live with you guys on discord
00:51:12
and in video form so stay tuned for all that and more of course it'll probably be a lot of announcements on stage i'm
00:51:18
excited i'm sure next week is going to be a lot to talk about hype yeah either way see you guys then thanks for watching
00:51:24
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